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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is big

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fight weekend. Now here is your host, TJ. Leaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get ready for what is a holiday weekend

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in the United States, but you know what, in Scotland.

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Speaker 1: And in Japan, they don't care about that.

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Speaker 2: Where We've got fights to talk about, including a world

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title fight in Japan coming on Saturday. We have got

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fight news, including Manny paquiaw making it official, a little

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taste of nostalgia, a little Caleb plant on this edition

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of the pod as well. My goodness, something for everyone.

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I am merely the somewhat competent host TJ.

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Speaker 1: Reeves.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Dan Rayphiel. Our insider Fight Freaks Unite is his

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substack and newsletter.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: What time are we coming over for you to grill

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out the hamburgers, the dogs and all the trimmings for

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the Memorial Day weekend.

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Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 2: We live in different states, in different regions country.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How are things?

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Speaker 3: I'm very good, TEJ. We do have a beautiful barbecue

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on the back deck. Now you were in the neighborhood.

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Speaker 2: Refer while we digress, you refer to it as a

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barbecue in the South, we refer to it as a grill.

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You're talking about your grill. My question to you is

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are you a grill master? Are you a barbecue master?

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At this stage I can't remember the answer to this.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what I mean, I can do it,

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but you know what, my wife actually does it, and

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she likes it, and so she's into it. So we

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Speaker 2: She's the MVP. She's the wives are the MVPs. Again,

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thank you for finding us. Everybody be safe on the

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holiday weekend, a lot of traveling. This is a dangerous

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weekend on the roads because so many more people are traveling.

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Do not drink and drive savages, peeps. We want you

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healthy for our recap podcast as well as all of

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our other antics coming up. We got a lot to

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explain here in a moment or two. But again, everybody

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enjoy the holiday. And I understand too that the holiday

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is somewhat of a somber occasion because you remember those

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and a lot of people do remember their loved ones

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finally during this weekend, so we love all of that

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Speaker 2: Also find our YouTube page for a couple of reasons

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that'll be explained coming up. Big Fight Weekend YouTube page

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this weekend, no, no, next weekend in Las Vegas, May

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thirty one. On Saturday night, Plant will fight Armando Rezindez

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in the main event of PBC on Prime. You're gonna

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hear a smidge of that conversation on this pod, but

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the full video Ray Feel and Living Color Baby with

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Day weekend, we'll be live like Bill O'Reilly on that

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comical meme, We're gonna do it live.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't remember if you hated potato salad or baked

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be looking for the live show on the YouTube page.

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It's the only place to watch it. Watch the live

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was a short fight, one punch. Many still believe sixty

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years later, phantom knockout, especially with Sunny Liston re enacting

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Speaker 2: So I believe, I believe. Can we move on? Let's

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do it. Let's go into the preview mode. And we've

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got the former undisputed one and forty pound world champ,

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Josh Taylor, headlining in Scotland Saturday afternoon US time Saturday

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night on the Queensbury Dezonne main event.

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Speaker 1: And this is a.

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Speaker 2: Twelve round non title fight. And explain to me about

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about what what's going on here because Taylor, we had

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thought he was angling for a title shot at welter waite.

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Is this more of a stay busy I don't know

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a lot about the opponent. Well, tell me more about

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what's going on.

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Speaker 3: This is neither of those. I mean, he's not even

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in the in the sniffing distance right now of a

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title shot. All right, he's he's he's the former undisputed

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junior welterweight champion, as you mentioned. Uh you know he

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had the the the you know, the run at at

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Junior WEL three where he scored some nice wins. He

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obviously became undisputed against Jose Ramirez in twenty twenty one

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and in a big, big win for him. A couple

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of fights before that, he had won the tournament with

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a with a great victory and a tremendous battle, a

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very close fight against Regis Progra, and then he had

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the Jack Catterall fight and obviously, you know that was

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hugely controversial, where he got the win, he retained the

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undisputed title, and then he got kind of bogged down.

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kinds of issues. You have to relitigate every single one

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of them because there was too many postponements, cancelations, injury,

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these logistical issues, TV situations, you name it. When he

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finally came back in June of twenty twenty three, had

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been offered over like almost a year and a half

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because of all the issues, some of which was injuries.

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his next fight, he had either vacated or been stripped

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of three of the four sanctioning bottle titles. He was

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still the WBO champion, he was still the lineal champion,

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and he came to New York City and he fought

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Tafimo Lopez, who in the combination of Josh Taylor looking

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pretty bad, I frankly think pretty tight at the weight

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and Tfimo Lopez fighting a really outstanding fight. He won

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a very clear decision in that fight and became the champion,

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and Josh Taylor is now coming off a loss, no

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longer has the belts, and finally, even as a non

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title fight. It was eleven months later he was out

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of the ring again, but they finally did the Jack

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Caterall rematch, which was not any longer for a title,

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but it was still they had to clean that met

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us up. And he went out there in Jack Catterall.

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the most part. So, I mean, I always thought in

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the first fight it was much ado about a lot

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of nothing in terms of like the crazy amount of

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controversy that had caused, you know, it was could have

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gone either way in my mind, but anyway, there was

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there was no doubt that that Caterall was the winner

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in the rematch. I mean the scores were pretty wide

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and he clearly won the fight. So now he's lost

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two fights in a row. He hasn't fought now in

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one year, since May of twenty twenty four when that

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fight happened. So he made the decision. I'm surprised he waited.

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he did it at one forty. But now he's going

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to welterweight for this fight against Eco Esimon, who was

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you know, his British countryman, a one lost guy who's

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never really fought anybody that you would recognize. He'st he's

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you know. The funny thing about is when you look

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at his record, he's got some wins in recent times

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against undefeated fighters, but they were guys that were like

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ten and oh eleven to zh not not in any

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way where they like, you know, well known names. He

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just has the one loss to a fighter named Harry Scarf,

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who's like a decent British level fighter back in twenty

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twenty three. So this is the fight, you know, it's

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it's like what has he got left? I mean, he's

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obviously the favorite in the fight. You know, Esman is

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thirty six years old. He's got a good record twenty

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one and one with eight knockouts, so he's not a

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big puncher based on the knockcout percentage. And this is

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like a do or die for Taylor. I mean, let's

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just be honest about it. I'll never want to say,

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oh my god, if he loses, he's got to retire,

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blah blah blah. But if he loses this fight again,

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I'm not saying he's got to retire, but it would

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be three losses in a row, a poor debut in

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a new weight class, which never is a good way

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Speaker 1: Not getting any younger mid thirties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's thirty four years old. I mean, he's had

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a heck of a career. He's got some big wins

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like we mentioned, and some some difficult losses. But now

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is a matter of to find out does he have

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anything left? Was it a matter of the weight? Is

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his mind fresh? You know What's I have no idea

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what is going on with Josh Taylor right now, because

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for a short period of time he was the best

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under forty in the world. He was a really superb fighter.

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A lot of people were putting him on the lower

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part of say their top ten pounds for poundless. You know,

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the guy was an accomplished amateur as well. I mean,

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he was a really good fighter, and you know these

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things don't last forever. So now the onus is on

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him to get some of that mojo back to I

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mean again winning his paramount. That's the most important thing.

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But it would be a big bonus and be very

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helpful to his long term outlook if not only could

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he win the fight, but do so in somewhat impressive fashion.

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He's at home in Scotland for the fight. You know,

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everything is built for him and well you know, Essaman

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is gonna have his say about it. We'll see if

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he can do anything. But like I said, his record

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is not filled with anybody that you would you know,

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think as in terms of a big name opponent. So

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I mean, honestly, I don't know how this is going

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to go at all because you just don't. It's more

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not because of estimate. It's like you just don't know

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what Josh has because he looks so bad against Lopez.

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He looks so bad in the Caterall rematch, and I

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know he's better than that. I'm not I'm not I'm

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not anti Josh Taylor. He's you know, he's the heck

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of a fighter. But it's I just don't know is he.

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Speaker 1: Or is it over?

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Speaker 2: Is it is what we're seeing that to me, it's

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all of that's in the past. On how good he

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looked in beating Jose Ramirez for the undisputed title, which

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is now what four years ago exactly?

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Speaker 3: So matter of facts, that is just this week. I mean,

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we're uh. And the funny thing about not funny but

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like not funny, aha, but just like kind of like

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when you think about it, that was the biggest moment

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for both of those fighters, and the winner and the

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loser have never really been the same since.

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Speaker 1: Very true. All right, let's in terms of in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Josh Keller, just to put it in a nutshell, was

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it a matter of weight, was it a matter of

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his mind? Was there some kind of injury that was

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that we weren't aware of? Or is he just you know,

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got a lot of mileage on the tread and we

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don't know and we're gonna find out. You'll know, I mean,

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let me tell you something. I believe you'll know early on.

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spring in this step or whatever, and you'll know like

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lease on life. I guess you could say.

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that in the co feature, the rising heavyweight Moses Etama

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will fight someone named Mike Bolligan, if I said it right,

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in a ten round heavyweight bout. But Attama, this is

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Speaker 1: What do we know?

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Speaker 2: But this is a guy that looks like he could

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be going places. Fast hands, big puncher, great young prospect.

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Speaker 3: Right absolutely. I mean I picked Atama as the prospect

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of the year in December. I'm probably not the only

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one that picked him as the prospect of the year.

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I mean, he's shown pretty much everything you want to

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see in a young heavyweight. As you mentioned, the quick hands,

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you know, the good punching power, seems to be very

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poised and mature when you consider he's only twenty years old.

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which is not going to make it so easy on

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a lot of his opponents. You don't see a lot

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of that talented heavyweights to wear south, but I mean

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the world. He's coming off of, you know, his biggest win.

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first round knockout against Demse McKean, who was a pretty

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good fighter. He gave you know, he's given some good, good,

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good opponents, you know, tough nights. He fought a solid

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fight and competed, even though he got stopped late against

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Philip Perkovich in twenty twenty three, and Atama, you know,

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took him out in less than two minutes. So Atama,

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you want to see Kenny continue the progression, continue to impress.

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forty one years old, but he's a former professional football

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player who's come to boxing. He's got a good record,

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he's twenty one and one with sixteen knockouts. But then

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what you could say. Also a south pop by the way,

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so it's lefty versus lefty. The one loss that Balagun

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had is certainly a forgivable loss. But he did get

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stopped in the second round in twenty twenty three by

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Mara Gassia, who was the former unified cruiserweight champion who

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had moved up to heavyweight. He did that overseas and

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he took that l and so to me, it's a

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matter of Kenny Tama sort of do what Ghassi I did. Gassi,

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if is a well known fighter, even though he doesn't

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have a ton of experience in the heavyweight division, had

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been somewhaty active. But a Tama, if you look at

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the guys in the rest of the division, I don't

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think there's any doubt about it that at least what's

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there he has to be considered the future of the

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weight class. I mean there's no doubt. I mean the

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type of maturity, power, speed, poise, You know, all the

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things you look for, the one thing you don't know

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yet and you hope you never find out. If you're

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if you're involved with the guy's career, you're a fan

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of the guy, especially in a heavyweight division, you don't know

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if he has a chin, but hopefully he never gets

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hopefully you never. I mean he used to hear all

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the time like we don't want to know because that

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means you're not getting hit clean. You know, it was

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always said about Roy Jones, like you never knew if

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he had a chin. I guess later when he got

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older and his reflexes, he started get tagged and got

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knocked out a bunch of times, so we don't know

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what it would have happened, you know, ten years earlier,

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but it didn't matter because he never got hit clean.

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yet to be really clocked with a good shot. But

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I'm not that confident that Mike Belligan is going to

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be the one to deliver that punch where we're gonna

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find some truth in what he's really got. So you know,

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it's gonna be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: Those are again Saturday afternoon US time, Fights on his

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Own the Queensbury Shows, Saturday night Primetime from Scotland from

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Glasgow on Saturday night. Now we back up to earlier

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in the morning US time.

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Speaker 1: What is Saturday night. Keep all this crap straight, right,

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if you'll keep me in line.

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Speaker 2: Saturday night in Japan. But what is Saturday morning US time?

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This is the IBF featherweight title and Angelo Lao taking

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on Toma Kee Kameta for the IBF Featherweight Championship that

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Lao won last year with a booming knockout of Luis

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Alberto Lopez in his hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico, a

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tenth round one punch booming ko. So he has not

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fought now in what some nine months, first defense since

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reacquiring a port of the title. He also had a

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portion of the title or it was the junior featherway

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title right that he had a portion of previously when

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Steven Fulton beat him Leo.

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Speaker 1: So, now Leo goes to Japan.

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Speaker 2: Tell me more about the opponent this title defense, and

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it's early Saturday for us in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Well, as you mentioned, first of all, when he won

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the IBF title against Louis Alberta Lopez, it was one

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of the knockouts of the year in twenty twenty four,

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spectacular knockout, and he did it in his own you know,

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he was Lopez was defending the title in in Angelo

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Leo's hometown. He's from Albuquerque, he's based out of Vegas,

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but he hadn't fought Albercarez, where he was born and

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raised and fought there for you know, for years and

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years and years, and it was a really great performance.

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So I'm not really sure why he's had the long layoff.

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But the bottom line is this fight with Tomochi Camada,

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who was a former champion in the Laura Way class,

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is a mandatory defense. And so even though even though

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Angelo Leo is co promoted by Probox and by Top Rank,

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the Camada people have a good apparently a good streaming

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deal over in Japan, and you know, his family's company,

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those not that familiar to Mochi is one of the

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three fighting Kamada brothers. The others are retired. There'skki Kmita

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was one of the you know, he was the first

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one who was a champion. Anyway, that's like a very

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famous family in Japan. Uh and tomokis still doing his thing.

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He's going along, he's you know, he's he's still trying

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to make a go of it. He's uh, he's vastly experienced,

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and you know, we'll see if he can overcome and

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win another title. I mean, he has a really good record.

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He's thirty three years old, he's forty two to four

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with twenty three knockouts. He once held a title in

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the Bandam weight division, so he's now obviously up a

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couple of weight classes. He's become the mandatory and they're

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bringing him over there. They're fighting in Osaka, Japan, which

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is Camada's hometown. Angel Leo and some of the comments

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when he when the fight was made, you know, seemed

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to embrace then the idea of of going overseas didn't

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really seem to be a problem for him. He was,

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you know, I think kind of interested to do it.

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See if he can bring the left hook. I don't

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know if there's a terrifying bring him left hook to

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Japan or not. But uh, this shapes up like a

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very interesting fight because Leo, I feel like, must have

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a lot of confidence by what he did to uh,

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to Luis Alberta Lopez, but he has been off for

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a little bit. He's fighting a fighter that's older, but

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it's going to be at home and is uh, you know,

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coming off his own pretty decent run. He did have

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a draw in one of the fights where or I

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take them back. He had a split decision loss where

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he rematch with the South African to get this mandatory position.

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He won the rematch, and to me, this is fight.

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This this fight between Leo and Camada. Honestly, it could

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I I couldn't tell you, like if you stuck a

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gun to my head, I could see a thousand different

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ways this thing could go. But I'm normally interested in,

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like if the guy's the younger, confident champion, even if

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he is traveling, you know, we'll see one thing. Uh.

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I kind of think it's gonna be a pretty good

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fight because Camda and uh and Leo, these are not

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guys that there. They're there. They both have good skills,

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but they're not like guys that run and hide either.

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So it could be like a nice you know, uh

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boxer puncher against each other in a nice fight where

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you'll see sporadic action but also some good boxing. You know.

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I'm happy that probox has the rights to it in

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the United States, so it's going to be easily accessible

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on their YouTube channel. So that's a good thing. And

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you know made the best man win featherweight. It's a

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good division right now, there's there's opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, yeah, there's a winner for

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the winner for sure.

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Speaker 2: And in the case of Leo, he had that loss

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to Fulton, a decision loss, but since then has now

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won five fights in a row and he actually fought

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three times last year.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it again for activity, well he did right.

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Speaker 3: You know when he lost the title at one twenty

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two to Fulton, you know he had a little bit

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of time off in there, which is not you know,

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a shocker at all, but when he came back, you

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know he'd have like long laugh it was me like

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six months whatever it was. But the point is he

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was willing to take some smaller fights. Obviously that probably

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means smaller money. Stay active. He had, he moved up

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in wait and by your time he was highly rated

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by the IBF. He got the opportunity and you know what,

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he took advantage of it. And so to me, that's

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so critical is for a guy to be active, even

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if you're not fighting like the elite guys, just to

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go through the repetitions of the training camp of being

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under the lights of walking up the steps, of getting

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the hands wrapped, of just going through the process of

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obviously it keeps you close to the to your fighting weight.

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You know, there's there's as long as you're not injured

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and you're everything else is okay. Like that's a good

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thing to continue to to ply your trade. And it

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pays off because not only did he get the title

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shot he wanted. Now the only unfortunate thing is after

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all that activity, he did have this nine month layoff

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or so between his victory and the title fight and

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now going into Canada. But you got to respect the

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guy that willingly with no problems, as you know, raises

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his hand and says, I'll go overseas not an issue.

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Kind of the same scenario with like a Brian Norman.

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It's not a mandatory fight, but he's going to Japan

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to fight, you know, his welterweight title defense coming up.

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So you know, I always have I respect all fighters,

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but I have a little bit more respect for the

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guys that are willing to do.

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Speaker 1: That agreed payday or not. As if you're willing to

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go there and do.

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Speaker 3: That, all right, son, Just real quick though, if he wins,

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you know he's got involvement with Top Rank, and as

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we've talked about before, they're the promoter co promoter of

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Raphael Espinoza. They also are involved with Oh you might

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have heard of Noya in a way, who was at

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some point probably gonna move up. He's fighting this fight

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in the innaway's home country of Japan. You gotta figure

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that's going to be raised in their media coverage of

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this event. So there's lots of interesting things going on

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: So there are the fight previews, all right, So up next,

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and everybody pay attention here we're gonna hear a portion

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of Big Dan talking with Caleb Plant, the former IBF

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super middleweight world champ. Plant is back on May thirty first,

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not this Saturday, but next Saturday at the Mandela Bay

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in Las Vegas, fighting for the WBA Oh my god,

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interim super middleweight title I said it, against Armando Rezendez.

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Speaker 1: All right, now again, audience, the.

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Speaker 2: Full interview is right now on the Big Fight Weekend

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YouTube page see the video. However, we love our podcast peaks,

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do we not, Dan Rayphiel who.

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Speaker 1: Want to take care of the sabage.

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Speaker 2: So if you're with us here on the pod obviously,

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we want to make sure that you get rewarded with

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and A t's of the full interview with Dan talking

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to Caleb Plant.

473
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Speaker 1: Let's hear that right now.

474
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Speaker 3: You're taking on Resendas. We know he's in a coming hunger,

475
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,960
he wants to grab that bell from you and everything else.

476
00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:23,759
But we also know that part of this event is

477
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,799
the fact that you have in the co feature Jamal

478
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:30,519
Charlow taken on Thomas Lamatta and PBC is not then shy.

479
00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,240
When they announced the fight between you and Risendas and

480
00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:36,480
Charlot against Lamaa, they made a point says, listen, you know,

481
00:21:36,759 --> 00:21:40,480
if our main guys, meaning yourself and Charlo are the winners,

482
00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,720
we're gonna make a fight between those two guys as

483
00:21:42,759 --> 00:21:45,359
a big fight later this year. So how do you

484
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,279
sort of focus on your opponent but also know that

485
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:50,839
Charlo looms in the future.

486
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Speaker 4: Just worry about right now, focus on right now. You know,

487
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:57,920
the world is always trying to get you to and

488
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,839
I'm not saying you personally because you just asking a question,

489
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,799
but the world is always like, well what about Charloe,

490
00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:07,799
what about Charlo? And I feel like if you haven't

491
00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:10,480
been a high level athlete, you may not understand. And

492
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:13,039
again I'm not talking to you. Well I'm not a

493
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:15,559
high level athlete, but but you've been around the sport.

494
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,000
There you you're a true I got the score of

495
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,319
the sport, So you understand that like the amount of

496
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,440
mental focus that takes regardless of who's across from you,

497
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,599
you know, And so it's just to block out all

498
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:30,319
the noise and focus on one flight at a time.

499
00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:33,160
I'm sure you've been around boxing long enough. This ain't

500
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the first card where they put one guy's the main event.

501
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:40,079
Guys that comain and the winner, you know, they get

502
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to face each other.

503
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Speaker 3: But we know that this fight with you and Charlo

504
00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:44,359
has been festering for a while. You guys have both

505
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,640
called each other out. I mean you're going to be

506
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around each other in the Mandolai Bay during the fight week. Uh,

507
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,400
you know how much? Again, I know you got to

508
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,559
take care of your business, but you're also a professional,

509
00:22:54,759 --> 00:22:56,720
and I know that you're able to focus, so you're

510
00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,400
capable of talking about two things at once. How much

511
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:00,759
do you want that fight though?

512
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Speaker 1: Uh?

513
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Speaker 3: You know down down the road this year? I mean,

514
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I know you've wanted it for a while.

515
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's I wanted enough that you know, I'm

516
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,119
looking for the biggest tests And Mangia was busy with Bruno,

517
00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:18,960
Canelo was busy with skull Egar Berlanga is part of

518
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,240
the witness protection program. When it comes to me, I guess,

519
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,759
and you know, I've been begging, begging for that fight,

520
00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:27,640
asking for that fight, and not much interested in it.

521
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So this was like the fastest way for me to

522
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get to a big fight that I want.

523
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Speaker 1: Again.

524
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Speaker 2: I make mention that he is back in action, not

525
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this weekend, but next weekend May thirty, first Saturday night

526
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in Las Vegas. Again for the audience, go watch the

527
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,759
whole interview. That ain't the whole interview, peeps, savages, go

528
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,680
watch the whole interview on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page,

529
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,519
because you guys get into what he is ultimately up

530
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:57,480
to short term here including the name Jamal Charlow, who's

531
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on this card. Pick it up from there, dan On

532
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:01,200
and what else is up? And they got to go

533
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,599
here Caleb plant his own words and watch him on

534
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:04,559
the YouTube pitch.

535
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, number one, that's that's the storyline

536
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,440
of this particular fight, and no disrespect to Armando Rizendez,

537
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But when PBC announced the card with Charlot fighting in

538
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the co feature against Thomas Lamana and Caleb in the

539
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main event, they said, you know, success by these two

540
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,839
fighters who have been wanting to fight each other for

541
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a while, but they weren't going to jump right into

542
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,319
the fight against each other, not because of anything that

543
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,000
was up with Caleb Plant who had a nice win

544
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,519
and a knockout back in September against Trevor mccombee, but

545
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,359
because Charlot has been off for such a long time,

546
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,079
so they weren't going to just put him in. So basically,

547
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,480
you know, its like Caleb w know to give a

548
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,480
little What he said was, you know, if they're going

549
00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:45,759
to give him the so called tune up to get prepared,

550
00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:47,759
I might as well take one also. So that's how

551
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,559
this doubleheader sort of presented itself. So they're going to

552
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,079
both fight these opponents on this card on the thirty

553
00:24:54,079 --> 00:24:56,319
first of May, and if they're both successful and win

554
00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,279
and there's no injuries and all us good. PBC said

555
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,359
multiple times everybody involved on both sides that the intention

556
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000
is to have them fight each other towards the end

557
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,599
of the year, probably sometime, you know, it could be

558
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,559
I guess as soon as September, maybe October, November, something

559
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,799
like that. But they're gonna fight each other later this year.

560
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,400
Now it'll be one of their pay per view cards.

561
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But that's a very tasty main event. And if they

562
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,319
both look good or even halfway good, especially Charlotte, you know,

563
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,160
that will definitely peak interesting. You can bank on the

564
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,440
fact that when they get the fight WEEKDJ. Yes, they

565
00:25:27,559 --> 00:25:30,359
gotta have conversations about the fights they have in front

566
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:31,799
of them. You have to take care of your business.

567
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,039
But you know, as well as I do, a lot

568
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:35,119
of that conversations to be about them against each other.

569
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And so someone's like they're starting the promotion already. They

570
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:39,680
just have to remember they got fights to win before

571
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they get there.

572
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Speaker 2: Understood, And I say again, the full conversation video is

573
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on the YouTube page.

574
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Speaker 1: Go see this right.

575
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,039
Speaker 3: There, Caleb Is. I've been interviewing Caleb Plant for many

576
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,880
years through his career. He's a pretty good interview. He

577
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,559
was always a great talk always good to talk to.

578
00:25:57,319 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: So go watch it, go see it, Go help us out.

579
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:01,599
Hit the light button. Make sure you're subscribed on the

580
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,000
YouTube page. We get the feeling that most of you

581
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:07,599
are very loyal here on the podcast feed. You're already

582
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subscribed up through Apple, Spreaker, Spotify, but go help us on.

583
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Speaker 1: The YouTube page.

584
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,519
Speaker 2: We look forward to having more of you join us there,

585
00:26:14,559 --> 00:26:16,359
including the live show that we're doing. And I'll mention

586
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,599
that one more time a little bit later on the

587
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:18,599
live show we're doing Sunday.

588
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Speaker 1: All right, to the news.

589
00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: What did I see on social media earlier this week?

590
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,000
But Manny Pacquiao confirming that he will be back to

591
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:29,720
fight Mario Barrios.

592
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Speaker 1: All things being.

593
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: Equal, this fight is scheduled for July, much the same

594
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way as Dan Rayfield does his sit ups and crunches.

595
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I saw several dozen people, including media members, with cameras, still, photographs, etc.

596
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Around him while he was doing some sit ups during training.

597
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,319
If that was a recent video, I assume it is.

598
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,480
So what else here now that this has been confirmed

599
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:54,720
at forty six years of age, he's coming back.

600
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the worst kept secret box, It's not

601
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even a secret. I mean he posted that to a

602
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social media that he's back and made the details of

603
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,880
public he's fighting. I mean things I've reported and everybody

604
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,480
else has reported also July, as you mentioned, it was

605
00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,160
a July nineteenth nine going to take place at the

606
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:12,279
MGM Grand not at the T Mobile, but at the

607
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,519
MGM Grand Garden Arena. He will challenge the WBC welterweight

608
00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:18,240
champion Mario Baris for his title. Should he win that

609
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,119
fight at age forty six, he would break his own record,

610
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,920
which he said at age forty for becoming the oldest

611
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,559
fighter in boxing history to win a welterweight title. He

612
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,680
did that back when he defeated Keith Thurman. And then

613
00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,799
obviously he retired after the loss to or Dennis Ugas

614
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,400
in twenty twenty one. But even at the moment he retired,

615
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,160
we all kind of knew that this was like a

616
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,759
matter of time until he came back. The first retirement

617
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,480
announcement after the Yugas fight was all about he was

618
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,720
going to be running for Filipino president and he couldn't do,

619
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:49,200
you know, stay active as a fighter or even have

620
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:50,839
people think he was active as a fighter if he's

621
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going to run for the presidency. He lost the president

622
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,599
race obviously, and he's been basically looking for a fight

623
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,519
ever since. I mean, there was if you remember a

624
00:27:57,599 --> 00:28:00,039
year ago or so, they went him and people and

625
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,440
his team went to Saudi Arabia to pitch a fight

626
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:05,880
to Turkey Alo Chic about maybe him against Connor Ben

627
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,039
in Saudi Arabia at a time when Connor was not

628
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680
allowed to fight still in the UK because of the

629
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,839
ped situation. So this is like the least surprising thing

630
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,240
of all time. He arrived in training a drived back

631
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,079
from the Philippines this past a weekend. He opened the

632
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,240
training camp on Monday at Freddie Roach's gym. I spoke

633
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,880
to Sean Gibbons, who was like his right hand man

634
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,640
and the president of MP Promotions, which is Manny's promotion

635
00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:31,759
company that's put on a bunch of fights in the

636
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:34,160
Philippines and has a lot of fighters that they work with.

637
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And you know the way Seawan described it, and I

638
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,079
wrote a piece about this on my subsack which anybody

639
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,319
can go read. He said, it was like, you know,

640
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,240
a lot of smiles and hugs. He said, I didn't

641
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,799
realize this, but I guess it makes sense. He and

642
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,440
Freddy hadn't seen each other in four years, pretty much

643
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,759
since the you Gots fight, so they had their their

644
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,359
little reunion, a lot of like hugs and smiles and

645
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
jokes and stuff, and then it was like, you know,

646
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:55,039
time to get to work. We got to fight to

647
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:56,799
prepare for you know, as I said to Shawn, it's

648
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,000
like you guys got the band back together. It's Freddie

649
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,240
back as the head trainer, got his old mate bou

650
00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,559
Boy Fernandez as the one of the assistants, and Marvin's

651
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,960
and Moodio who works with Freddy as another assistant. They

652
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,720
got everybody's buddy, Fred Sternberg, the Hall of Fame publicists

653
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,960
back handling Manny's pr h And it's gonna be you know,

654
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,079
it'll be like old times. The question is when he

655
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:17,799
gets in the ring, is it gonna be like he

656
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,079
is old times? Or is he gonna be able to

657
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,559
maybe turn back to block. Now I'll say this, and

658
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,759
this is with all due respect to Mario Barris and

659
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,279
a very likable individual. I have a lot of respect

660
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,519
for Mario. I find him to be very interesting in

661
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,839
a hard worker. He's gotten a lot better than when

662
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:35,319
he first came along. But if you're in the wealthweight

663
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:38,000
division today and you're looking to fight for a title,

664
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of the guys that hold the belts. I'm not saying

665
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,039
it's an easy fight. What I'm saying is he'd probably

666
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be the guy that everybody would pick to go for first.

667
00:29:46,279 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: Oh, just no doubt. Norman will probably be next. And

668
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,559
then in no way, shape or form should Manny Pacy,

669
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:54,759
I'll be fighting Jaron Nis.

670
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Speaker 1: Yeah, my god, no, so.

671
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: So he's gonna have. Look, all you can do is

672
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:02,000
ask we we can litigate whether he deserves the opportunity

673
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,759
or not. We can, we can, we can bitch and

674
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:05,799
moan because the BBC made him number five. We did

675
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,119
address out on a prew We've already talked about that. Right, Well,

676
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,000
here's the reality. If you like it or you don't

677
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,720
like it, the fight is happening. Nothing you and I

678
00:30:13,759 --> 00:30:14,039
can do.

679
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Speaker 2: It provided that we just the disclaimer, Provided that we

680
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,119
get to July nineteenth. Something does happen in training blah

681
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,119
blah blah blah blah.

682
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Speaker 3: B any fight that's ever been made. I'm talking.

683
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Speaker 2: Hold on, this is a forty six year old who

684
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hasn't been training by his own admission for years, and

685
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:31,440
it's not the same as fighters that are regularly training

686
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,720
and are much younger. To just say, foregone conclusion, they're fighting,

687
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:36,000
he could get injured in.

688
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: When I say realistically, when I say that, I'm saying

689
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the deal is done and it's going to get announced.

690
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And when you know, if something happens between now and Bell,

691
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,920
who the heck knows, but I can tell you this, Uh,

692
00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:50,200
they will go through the process you mentioned and we

693
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,000
discussed calea Plant is going to fight in Mandalay Bay

694
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:57,400
on May thirty. First. Knowing the way that PBC operates,

695
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,000
having covered fights for a very long time, I would

696
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,680
be shocked if on the day of the fight, on

697
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:06,400
that morning or sometime like probably that Saturday morning, they'll

698
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,400
do some type of press activity where they'll be media

699
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,160
at the Kala Plant fight and they'll bring in Pacio

700
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440
perhaps Barrios also to meet the press and talk about

701
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
the fight tw to kind of be in the hype.

702
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,079
And then the week after, once the Kala Plant PBC

703
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,279
fight is off the deck for PBC, you got to

704
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,240
figure they'll go to Los Angeles and they'll do a

705
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,640
full blast press conference and you know, go through the

706
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,599
beginning of the promotion and have their photos together and

707
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,920
interviews and all that, and so they'll kick off the

708
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,839
promotion and then they'll do the fight. The only bad

709
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,519
thing about the scheduling of the event, putting aside whether

710
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:41,200
you like the match or not, is the unfortunate situation

711
00:31:41,319 --> 00:31:44,359
that's taking place on the same day as a second

712
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,200
pay per view, granted earlier in the day, but still

713
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,880
another paper that's going to last many, many hours, and

714
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,400
that's the USA Duba fight, and then on top of

715
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920
that later that's not a pay per view that'll be

716
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880
on directly opposite of when the Paco pay per view

717
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
is a non pay per view event on his own,

718
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:03,640
which is Bam Rodriguez against CAFU in the unification fight.

719
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:05,920
So there's a lot of activity going on on that

720
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,720
particular weekend, so they're gonna definitely have all of them

721
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,440
have competition with each other. And it's unfortunate because for

722
00:32:11,519 --> 00:32:14,319
different reasons, all of all three of those events have

723
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,440
certain merit that make them worthwhile. So it's never a

724
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,200
good thing if you have to if you pack everything

725
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,359
like that until one weekend. But it is what it is,

726
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,920
and that's what they're doing, so pack. Yeah. As he wrote,

727
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:25,880
I'm back, I felt like I was looking at the

728
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,039
headline and the remember the old the facts back in

729
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,240
the day. It wasn't a you know, Internet, There was

730
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,240
no Twitter when Michael Jordan's.

731
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,759
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's yes, I remember that it was about this

732
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,039
time because it was right before the playoffs and he

733
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:40,519
was ready to come back and play for the Bulls

734
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:41,680
with the two words I'm back.

735
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,759
Speaker 3: I remember it extremely vividly because the night that that happened,

736
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,319
I happened to be the slot editor at the local

737
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,559
newspaper I worked at the night so when that came through,

738
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:51,400
I was the one that I handled that for our

739
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,640
newspaper in Saratoga Springs, New York, and.

740
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: You got to type I'm back on Michael Jordan said,

741
00:32:58,359 --> 00:32:59,880
period for the There you go.

742
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:01,279
Speaker 1: All right.

743
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,279
Speaker 2: Moving on on the news, we have been talking about

744
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:08,119
this Sebastian Fundora tim Zuo rematch card that is coming

745
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,799
up in June here, but you've also learned of another

746
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:13,880
fight they are going to.

747
00:33:13,799 --> 00:33:16,519
Speaker 1: Add to the pay per view, mean in July. In July,

748
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,160
my mistake.

749
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 2: In July, you already talked to us about Pitbull and

750
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,839
Fierro the rematch, so.

751
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: We're talking about you made it a little confusing there.

752
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,519
The Pacio Barrios a pay per view. The undercard we've

753
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:30,319
already discussed it.

754
00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:32,599
Speaker 2: It's gonna okay, my mistake. This is all on that

755
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,200
same July nineteenth card. You've learned of another fight on

756
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,039
that card in addition to Zoo and Fondora, Pitbull and Fiero.

757
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,319
Now that I've set it up properly, what's the fight

758
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:43,079
that you've learned about?

759
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:45,559
Speaker 3: But those are the three top fights we mentioned Pao

760
00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:47,960
main event in the other town and by the way,

761
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,200
Zoo against Fondora the first fight headline to pay per

762
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
view for this event. It's going to be the co feature,

763
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:55,640
so to me, like at least they're giving you some

764
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,880
meat on the bone. Fierro against Figueroa Uh was one

765
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,000
of the fights of the year, so I mean, I'm sorry.

766
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,319
Fierro against pitt Bull Cruz that took place in February

767
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:07,839
is already one of the candidates for fight of the

768
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:09,880
year this year. Then the other fight they're going to

769
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,519
add to the pay per view not official, but I

770
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,079
reported this and I have this from the people that

771
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,719
are involved with the fight. His Brandon Figaroa is gonna

772
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,519
come back, uh and he's gonna fight Joet Gonzalez. These

773
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:22,039
are two experienced fighters who fought lots of good fighters.

774
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,000
Figueroa has been a champion in two weight classes. He

775
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,800
is coming off of the loss in the rematch against

776
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,599
Stephen Fulton where frankly, he looked like, you know, he

777
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,559
looked terrible in that fight, and Joey Gonzalez, who has

778
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,199
lost for the most part when he stepped up in

779
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,800
class against fighters especially like Shaquorse Stevenson for example, and others.

780
00:34:41,559 --> 00:34:43,880
But he's actually coming off of a bit of a

781
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,280
of a mild upset victory against Arnold Ka, guy who

782
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,760
was in a very good position to become a mandatory

783
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:50,639
and he lost. And you know what I think is

784
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:52,800
as a mild upset, but it doesn't change the fact

785
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:55,159
that joe Gonzalez is three and three in his last

786
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,400
six fights. But if Figaroa fights like we've seen him

787
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,960
fight many times in the past, and not the passive

788
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,679
way he fought against Fulton, we might see a fun

789
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,719
fight and as a as an opener type fight on

790
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,239
a pay per view, it seems like a pretty reasonable match.

791
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 2: So add that to July nineteen with Brandon Figueroa, the

792
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,280
heartbreaker right as the Knicker got his.

793
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: Heartbroken though by Fulton in the rematch.

794
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: When I'm watching a fight though, TJ. I don't care

795
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,599
about no heartbreaker. I want to see the eyebreaker, the nosebreaker,

796
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,320
the facebreaker, whatever.

797
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: All right, one more note and then we're going to

798
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,079
do nostalgia around the death of a boxing great. That

799
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:36,320
other note is Liam Parrow. He is going to be

800
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,679
back in a No Limit boxing card in late June

801
00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:44,800
in Australia. Parro is the former one and forty pound

802
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,320
world champ, but Richardson Hitchins beat him for his belt

803
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,960
back in December. What have you learned about Liam Parro, opponent, etc.

804
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: So now apparently he is. He had been with Mattroum Boxing,

805
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,159
but they have parted ways. He is now with No

806
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,199
Limit Boxing, which is probably the premier promoter in Australia

807
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,920
in recent years, and so they're going to do a

808
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,119
fight up in his part of the country where he

809
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,159
has has not he's fought. The last time he fought

810
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:11,119
in austral he was like twenty twenty one, but he

811
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,599
hasn't fought in his home region in a few years

812
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,400
longer than that. So he is coming back. Like you mentioned,

813
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,920
it's his first fight since he lost in December when

814
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,360
he lost the title to Richards and Hitchins, you know

815
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,840
in a fight that you know it wasn't like a

816
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,039
terrible performance, but I think he was disappointed in his

817
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:29,559
own performance. He did get out boxed by a very

818
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,920
good boxer in Hitchens, so that's his only loss. So

819
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,119
he's coming back. It's not like he's fighting a guy

820
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,119
that you're gonna like say, is some kind of big

821
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:41,119
time household name or anything like that. But the opportunity,

822
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,199
first of all, it's he's I guess he's moving up.

823
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,039
I don't know if this is for good, that he's

824
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:47,719
gonna now suddenly become a welterweight permanently, or it's a

825
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,400
matter of like lead your options open. But the fight,

826
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:51,599
from what I am told by the Nolandit people, has

827
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,239
contracted at one hundred and forty four pounds. He's fighting

828
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,800
a fighter named Jonathan Navara, who is an American fighter

829
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,639
from Los Angeles. He's coming off of his only loss

830
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,920
against gyro Valtieri's not again, not a big name, but

831
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:05,960
again they're not looking to put par Win to the

832
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,039
deep end. They want to see how he looks, get

833
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,440
him back in action fight a few pounds over the

834
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,840
one hundred and forty pound division. One thing about Liam Paroi,

835
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,679
he's a good talker. You know, he's talking about he

836
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,559
wants to fight all the top names. He'd like to fight,

837
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:19,039
t Femo Lopez, obviously he's the champion. He wants to

838
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:21,639
have a rematch and try to get revenge against Richardson Hitchins.

839
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,400
You know, he wants to fight. He said, well, you know,

840
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,239
if I have to go to welterweight, you know, GI,

841
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,559
give me Ryan Garcia, give me Roly Romero. We talked

842
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:31,039
about how him and Roly Romero have sparred a million

843
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,559
rounds together in Las Vegas and they're friendly with each other.

844
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,760
But again, it's business, so we'd be happy to fight him.

845
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,719
Of course, Romiro has that secondary title that he won

846
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,719
when he fought and defeated Ryan Garcia. That was vacant

847
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,840
at the time. So anyway, this is basically Paro coming

848
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,719
off with loss but had kind of made a name

849
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,559
for himself. To see if you can get back in

850
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,400
the group, get back in the swing of things, and

851
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,519
add depth once again to a very good one hundred

852
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,599
and forty pound division, or perhaps the one hundred and

853
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,159
forty seven pound division, which frankly could use a little

854
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,039
bit more depth than it had at the moment.

855
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: All right, now, a little nostalgia and sadness, although it

856
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,280
is a long life lived for the all time great

857
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Nino ben Venuti, which the modern fans don't.

858
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: Know this name, but I did.

859
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: We're gonna school them right now.

860
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: I dare say, Dan Rayfield, let me tee it up

861
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,280
for you here and let you just swat it out

862
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,440
of the park. You cannot write about the history of

863
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,159
the middleweight division without including this guy. And this guy

864
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,639
is essentially the preemptive before Carlos Monz, own before Marvin Hagler,

865
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,320
and obviously now in the modern day with anybody holding

866
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,039
all the middleweight titles like a Glovekin or a Canelo Alvarez,

867
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,800
ben Venuti was the truth at middleweight for a lot

868
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,000
of reason, junior middleweight and middleweight. So he passed away

869
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,800
at the age of eighty seven. An Italian legend. Pick

870
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,840
it up on the nostalgia, go ahead.

871
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,559
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely Italian legend. First of all. I mean, I

872
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:53,960
don't think it's out of the realm to say he's

873
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920
maybe the greatest fight in the history of Italy number one,

874
00:38:57,599 --> 00:38:59,360
much like you would say Pakia was the greatest fighter

875
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,519
in the history of Philippines. Outside of that sort of thing,

876
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,760
he is arguably the greatest European fighter of all time.

877
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,159
Ben Venudi, he is. Think about this. He in the

878
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,360
nineteen sixty Olympics. It took place in a Rome, so

879
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,519
he was fighting in front of the home home crowd

880
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,119
because he's from Italy. He won. Not only did he

881
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:18,760
win the welterweight gold medal, but in the Olympics they

882
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,880
hand out what's called the val Barker Trophy, and that

883
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,159
is emblematic of the fighter that his names like being

884
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,559
the most outstanding player of the final four of the

885
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:27,639
you know, the MVP of the Super Bowl or of

886
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:30,800
the World Series. He was awarded the val Barker Trophy

887
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,480
for most outstanding boxer of that Olympic Olympic Games. By

888
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:36,960
the way, in nineteen sixty also you happened to might

889
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,760
have heard of the light heavyweight gold medalist. His name

890
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,719
was Cassius Clay.

891
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: I believe so, and so Ben Venudi got the Fighter

892
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,360
of the Olympics over Cassius Clay. That's no slight to

893
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Cash's play, but that tells you how beloved and how

894
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,159
good this guy was.

895
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: So he was like a super started. And by the way,

896
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:52,920
if you ever see like the pictures of him back

897
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,719
in then, he was a good looking guy, like kind

898
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,400
of movie stars kind of quality to him. Really superb

899
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,480
boxing skills. I've gone back and watched video. You can

900
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,559
find them on YouTube. You know, a classical boxer, but

901
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,119
was involved in some really good fights over the years.

902
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:08,360
I mean he liked the box but he could bro

903
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,119
He really fits the style of fighter I like the best,

904
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,440
which is a guy that's got good skills, but he'll

905
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,079
be happy to stand and fight if you need him to.

906
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,760
And but so that was his So that was his

907
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,199
entree to the professionals coming off of the Olympic gold medal.

908
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,360
But he went on and he became the undisputed jingim

909
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,400
middlewaight champion. Of course, this is back when it was

910
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,679
two title belts, the WBA and the WBC, but there

911
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,400
was also a lot more competition frankly Atin those days.

912
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,000
He became the undisputed champion at junior middleweight. He lost

913
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,039
the title by a split decision by fighting over in Seoul,

914
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,440
South Korea. So he lost that fight and then he

915
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719
moved up to middleweight. He eventually got a title shot

916
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,880
he became a two time undisputed middleweight champion.

917
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

918
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,599
Speaker 3: Those are some pretty serious accomplishments. He's he was enshrined

919
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,599
in the boxing Hall of Fame uh back in the

920
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:53,840
early nineties, and he is probably the you know, he

921
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
fought everybody in the middleweight division of this time. Uh.

922
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,559
You know, he finished his career with losses to Carlos Monzon,

923
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,679
who was of the new kid on the block. He

924
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,920
lost the title to monz Oon and what turned out

925
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,760
to be his final fight, he got stopped in that fight,

926
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:08,800
and he had two of his last He lost three

927
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:10,920
three fights in a row to end his career. The

928
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,079
two of those were against monz Oua the first one

929
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,480
and then had a rematch, you know, two fights later.

930
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,719
But he really became the most famous I think internationally.

931
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:20,400
And by the way, before I get to that, the

932
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,480
Monzone fights, at least the second one anyway, because I

933
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:24,760
watched it on YouTube and I knew this before they

934
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,880
were getting coverage in the United States. Those were taking

935
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,719
place in the evening time in Europe, and it was

936
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,800
perfect for a wide world of sports on ABC in

937
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,119
the United States. So you know Howard Cosell went to

938
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,119
Monico and did the Carlos Montalez. Yeah, and he showed

939
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,480
it on American television, so and there was back then

940
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,880
there was three channels, so a lots of people in

941
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,679
America watched Needo ben Venudi, you know, lose unfortunately for

942
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,880
him in the rematch against Carlos Monzone. But he's most

943
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,760
famous for the three fights he had against Emil Griffith,

944
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,079
who was an all time legendary Hall of Famer as well,

945
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,719
you know, also former champion. They put on some some

946
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:59,760
big time fights, I mean in Madison Square Garden for

947
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,400
two with him. The second fight they had at Shay Stadium.

948
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,039
I mean, these were big time, big time type events.

949
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:07,760
So in the first fight to that, this is you

950
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,199
got to go back to nineteen sixty seven. This is

951
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,800
when he won the Middleway championship or yeah, he had

952
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,480
lost the junior Middleway champion. This is one he bete

953
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,280
Griffith to win the Middleway title. It was picked by

954
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,400
the Ring magazine as the nineteen sixty seven fight of

955
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,719
the Year and it was in this fight where ben

956
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Venuti won a fifteen round decision. He got up off

957
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,440
the deck. He also scored a knockdown and he was

958
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,280
a back and forth kind of fight. They had an

959
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,679
immediate rematch later in nineteen sixty seven. That was the

960
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,039
one I mentioned to you that was in Shaye Stadium,

961
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,280
you know, the old ballpark where the New York Mets played.

962
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,440
That fight he lost. He was also knocked down in

963
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,280
that fight in the fourteenth round. That was a fight

964
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,679
where he lost the majority decision. Then he had a

965
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:47,199
non title doubt. Then he had the trilogy fight against

966
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:49,800
Email Griffith, and in that fight he won the fifteen

967
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,719
round decision, and once again he was on the deck

968
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:53,360
in the ninth round of that fight. So he was

969
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,760
knocked down in all three of their fights, but he

970
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,280
won two of the three of what you know, it's

971
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,119
not maybe known like you would know Ali Fraser type

972
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,599
of trilogy or for the more modern fighters a bow

973
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:05,559
Holy Field, that type of thing. But in the annals

974
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:09,039
of boxing history, you say Ben Venudi against Emil Griffith,

975
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:11,559
that's one of the biggest trilogies in boxing. And he

976
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,119
was the victor in two of those three fights, and

977
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,159
both of them are all time greats in the Hall

978
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,119
of Fame, So you know that was a big deal.

979
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,559
When I mean not all Hall of famers are crety equal.

980
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,039
And I can't sit here and tell you he's like

981
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:23,960
that Mount Rushmore Hall of Famer, the Inner Circle Hall

982
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,239
of Famer. Let's say, you know what, the Alis and

983
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,119
Joe Lewis, but he's like maybe that next batch of guys.

984
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,679
But he was a really outstanding fighter. And here's our

985
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,760
crazy stat for you, TJ. We always talked about activity, right, Yeah,

986
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,840
he turned professional after the Olympics, So he turned pro

987
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,480
at the very beginning of nineteen sixty one January of

988
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:42,519
nineteen sixty one. He had his last fight against Monzona

989
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:44,920
in their rematch in May of nineteen seventy one. So

990
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,280
he fought just a little over ten full years, like

991
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,119
ten years in a few months. In that ten year

992
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:53,800
period of time, TJ. His record, he finished eighty two wins,

993
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:58,400
devin losses, one draw, thirty five knockouts. He fought seven

994
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:02,159
hundred and seven professional rounds in ten years. That's a

995
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:03,039
lot of fucking rounds.

996
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: And he essentially fought ninety fights in ten years. Yeah,

997
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,760
and I'm not even a math major, but that's about

998
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,360
ninety year.

999
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,599
Speaker 3: So he was a great fighter.

1000
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,079
Speaker 2: And again, condolences, but still you cannot I say again,

1001
00:44:16,159 --> 00:44:19,320
you cannot write the history of the middleweight division without

1002
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,280
incorporating this guy who was an Italian legends.

1003
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,199
Speaker 3: I must mention one more thing because the kids today

1004
00:44:25,199 --> 00:44:27,239
would lose their fucking minds if something happened like this

1005
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,480
what I'm about to tell you. Pick any name of

1006
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:33,519
any top champion in boxing today and transpose them into

1007
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:34,800
the scenario I'm about to lay out for you.

1008
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,079
Speaker 1: Right.

1009
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,119
Speaker 3: So, when he defeats Emil Griffith in you know, to

1010
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:41,760
regain the title in their third fight, he then goes

1011
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,679
and he remember he's still midleweight champion. He's going to

1012
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,039
defend the title. Other times, he had a series of

1013
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:49,159
non title fights because that's what kids did back then.

1014
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,639
They fought non title fights on a regular basis. So

1015
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,880
in the course of fighting non title fights were slightly

1016
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,079
over the weight. But he's still middleweight champion. He had

1017
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:58,599
a draw in one fight. He had a loss to

1018
00:44:58,679 --> 00:45:01,239
Dick Tiger, who was a also a legendary Hall of

1019
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,320
famer uh and he he had lost multiple He lost,

1020
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:06,800
you know, to a fighter named Tom Bethea in a

1021
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,519
non title fight. He suffered two losses and a draw,

1022
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,199
plus he won other non title fights before he went

1023
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,480
back and then defended the title in a rematch against Bethea. Now,

1024
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,679
imagine if pick your champion, if it was Canelo Alvarez,

1025
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:23,960
if it was tam Lopez, if it was anybody pick champion,

1026
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,280
if it was well, it wouldn't be sick because a

1027
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,400
heavyweight you can't really do.

1028
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: That, can't move up right.

1029
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 3: But in a way, imagine if in a way decide

1030
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,880
I'm gonna go to featherweight, I'm gonna fight and I'm

1031
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,199
gonna lose, you know, a non title fight, fights and

1032
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,519
score a draw against you know, regular guys, but I'm

1033
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,679
still gonna be the undisputed champion at junior featherweight, and

1034
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,679
I'm gonna fight, like, you know, six times in the year.

1035
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,800
Like people would lose their fucking minds. If he lost,

1036
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,360
he's you know, he's this, He's time. But the losses

1037
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,880
or not, it's still one of the all time greats.

1038
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,199
And those and those uh, those fights, and buddy, he

1039
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,280
took a non title fight against Dick Tiger. Dick fucking Tiger,

1040
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,159
are you kidding me?

1041
00:45:59,280 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: It was a big time.

1042
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm one of the greatest fighters of all times. You

1043
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,239
can argue with Dick Tiger that other than maybe Azuma Nelson,

1044
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:07,639
the greatest African fighter.

1045
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:12,760
Speaker 2: In history, US Payday probably two on those all right, good,

1046
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,440
a good nostalgia for the younger crowd on that name.

1047
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,440
On Nino bin Venudi, the Italian star. All right, as

1048
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,760
I mentioned, go find the YouTube page yet again, because

1049
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:28,079
we've got nostalgia that's there right now, including Roy Jones

1050
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,360
winning his first ever world title in a battle with

1051
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,760
future fellow Hall of Famer Bernard Hopkins.

1052
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,159
Speaker 3: I would hardly call it a battle.

1053
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:36,039
Speaker 1: Well, it's a one sided win.

1054
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:38,599
Speaker 3: It was a terrible, terrible fucking fight.

1055
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: But Roy Jones got it done, and Dan tells you

1056
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:43,920
all about it. This is from May twenty second of

1057
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,360
nineteen ninety three, as we're on the anniversary as we

1058
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,119
do this pod, and also on May twenty second, twenty

1059
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,599
ten to fifteen years ago. The final fight a one

1060
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,639
sided fight of the four fight series of Marquees Vasquez.

1061
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,960
Rafael Marquez Israel Vasquez. So the the final fight was

1062
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,440
obviously a demolition by Marquez, but you recap the full

1063
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,280
depth and breadth of the four fights series on the

1064
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:08,920
YouTube page.

1065
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 3: Oh, we sort of disavowed the fourth fight even though

1066
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,760
that's yeah, it was a really unfortunately.

1067
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: Well you're talking about both though on that nostalgia conversation

1068
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:18,760
about how good their first three fights were, two of

1069
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,639
them as Fights of the year, and then obviously this

1070
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,559
was the fourth fight.

1071
00:47:22,639 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: So reminisce about marcuz.

1072
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 3: I love this one thing. By the way, two of

1073
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,880
their four fights were Fight of the year. But the

1074
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,440
reality is three of them would have been the fight

1075
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,920
of the year, except the first two took place in

1076
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,760
the same calendar year. So everybody picked one of the

1077
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,360
first two as the fight of the year, and whichever

1078
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,920
one they picked as the fight of the year, everybody

1079
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,840
picked the other one as there.

1080
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 1: They snubbed the other one right the runner up.

1081
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,199
Speaker 3: So if it happened just you know, a few months earlier,

1082
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,719
would have been three in a row for Fights of

1083
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,000
the year.

1084
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: And so again, relive that rivalry on the YouTube page.

1085
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:49,159
Speaker 1: Help us out.

1086
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,159
Speaker 2: Go there, peeps, Go there, subscribe, hit the like button,

1087
00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:54,719
and watch the videos of us going over the nostalgia.

1088
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:59,039
And don't forget Sunday night of this Memorial Day weekend, we're.

1089
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: Doing it live. We're gonna have a live recap.

1090
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 2: The Fight Freaks Unit recap will be live on the

1091
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,639
YouTube page, recapping the Josh Taylor Scotland main event, recapping

1092
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:12,559
Lao and Cameda in the Saturday morning US time Japanese

1093
00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:16,519
IBF featherweight title fight, and we're talking Ali, speaking of Cashes.

1094
00:48:16,159 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Play al al.

1095
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: And the most controversial one round fight in boxing history

1096
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:25,840
with that fight with Sonny Liston that's now sixty years

1097
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,360
old as of Sunday. We'll reminisce and do some nostalgia

1098
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,159
on that with that, Thank you, my friend, excellent job

1099
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:35,440
on the preview. Why don't you and I reconvene on

1100
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,199
the bet Us Boxing Show at one Eastern time on Friday?

1101
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,519
Have I given them enough to remember? Bet Us Boxing

1102
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:44,360
Show Live one Eastern time. We'll talk more about Taylor's

1103
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,960
main event with usman and also the Leo Kameita IBF.

1104
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: The Railway title fight in.

1105
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,599
Speaker 2: Japan on the bet US Show on their platforms, on

1106
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:57,880
their YouTube, on their social media. Let's do that live

1107
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,840
as well at one Eastern time. I will see you then,

1108
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,840
my friend for that all good, Dan.

1109
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: Yfield, we always we're good. Love it. I'm merely TJ Reeves. Again.

1110
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: This is the podcast Beat obviously, so follow, subscribe, rates

1111
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,719
and review us here. We're back for the bet Us

1112
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,920
Show Friday, we're live on the YouTube page. Sunday Night

1113
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,679
live on the YouTube page Sunday Night. We'll talk to

1114
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,440
you both of those places. Then have a safe Memorial

1115
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,920
Day weekend. Thank you for being with us here on

1116
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,320
The Big Fight Weekend Podcast