WEBVTT 1 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.719 We're Tamy Lorenzo and this is the Bitter Kitten Movie Club. 2 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:28.480 Hellicitten's welcome back to another edition of the BKMC, a 3 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:31.440 supplemental edition of the Pop Style Opinions podcast where we 4 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:34.359 take a look at one film per week and just 5 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:38.320 dive into it. This week's film is Materialist by director 6 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:44.439 Celine Song, who directed twenty twenty three's Past Live Star 7 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:47.280 in grete Lee that was an OSCAR nominated film, and 8 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:50.439 this was her follow up film in twenty twenty five. 9 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.320 It stars Dakota Johnson as a New York City matchmaker 10 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:58.799 and Pedro Pascal as a New York City finance guy 11 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.479 and Chris Evans as a New York City struggling actor. 12 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.840 It's a city loser. 13 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:12.599 It's a romance, but I mean it. I think it 14 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:15.000 tries to be a romance and that's and at certain 15 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.159 points it's it somewhat fails. But I want to say 16 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:22.280 that before we flipped on the mics, I joke, well, 17 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.120 wasn't a joke. I said to Lorenzo. I was like, 18 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:25.400 I really don't think this is going to be a 19 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.319 long one, and he said, no, it's not a very 20 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.000 deep film. But I do want to say, first off, 21 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.719 that there are a couple of things I want to unpack, 22 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:37.079 and secondly, uh, it's a flawed film, But I actually 23 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:39.879 did enjoy it. It was an enjoyable two hours. It was 24 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:46.599 very attractive people. There was banter and flirting, and you know, 25 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.359 the locations were gorgeous, and you know, it was at 26 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.040 least half of the film deals with very wealthy people 27 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:55.480 in very wealthy settings, so it all looked very pretty. 28 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.519 In some ways, it reminded me of a nineties film. 29 00:01:58.560 --> 00:02:01.840 In some ways, it actually reminded me of the first 30 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.439 half of it, because the film actually does change about 31 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.439 halfway through. First half of it reminded me of like 32 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:11.439 Sex and the City, Oh, where it was. 33 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:12.560 You know, she was. 34 00:02:12.520 --> 00:02:14.960 Interviewing women about what they were looking for in a man, 35 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.879 and then she was interviewing men about what they were 36 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.479 looking for. And it was all these like talking heads, 37 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.599 and it was commentary on dating life and specifically dating 38 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:28.439 life in New York, with a focus on the types 39 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.240 of people you know, high Well, I'm going to use 40 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.840 the term because that's exactly the term. It's actually the 41 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:38.520 theme of the film. It's like high value men seeking 42 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:42.240 out high value wives. Right, you know, it's it's that Tamelia, 43 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:49.319 It's that dynamic and it if I had to sum 44 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:53.639 up where the film fails is it really tried to 45 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.960 do too much. First half of the film felt like 46 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:01.639 a romantic comedy with dramatic under tones. It wasn't super 47 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.759 hilarious comedy, but it was light and flirty and I 48 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:11.280 was really into it. Second half of the film, well, 49 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:18.080 first off, I I'm sitting there going, you know, it's 50 00:03:18.120 --> 00:03:19.840 not a puzzlebox film. You don't have to sit there 51 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.080 and try and guess the ending. But I was sitting 52 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.879 there thinking, there's really only one way they can end 53 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:27.520 this film, which is she winds up with Chris Evans, 54 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:32.599 because otherwise you have her going for the rich guy 55 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.560 that she's not in love with. She's clearly not in 56 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:39.719 love with. But I couldn't see how are you going 57 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:41.879 to get her with Chris Evans because you have set 58 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.560 it up in such a way that it absolutely makes 59 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:47.439 sense why these two people are not together anymore. It 60 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:51.240 absolutely makes sense why they should not be together. So 61 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:55.400 you got to get them to that point where they're 62 00:03:55.439 --> 00:04:00.319 together and that feels correct. And the last five that's 63 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:02.560 twenty minutes of this film I'm like, nope, you have 64 00:04:02.759 --> 00:04:08.000 lost me completely. I don't buy that she is that person, right. 65 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.280 I don't think they ever succeeded, she ever succeeded the 66 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:17.000 director in Why these two waded up together? No, she 67 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.959 would not be with him, so's toxic. No, No, and 68 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.079 she would not be with him. But that's the movie, 69 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.879 you know. You know, a successful woman gives up everything 70 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.879 to be with the thing is she's not that successful. Well, 71 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.959 she is successful to us, she's ambitious. 72 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:36.560 She's okay, that's a good point. The film, surprisingly is 73 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:43.319 a romantic pseudo comedy that is actually unpacking some fairly 74 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.800 heavy questions about dating and about modern romance and relationships. 75 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.399 And the entire point of the film is, the entire 76 00:04:52.439 --> 00:04:57.360 perspective of the film is value. Who has value? And 77 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:01.759 what how is value measured in relationshi ships? And you know, 78 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.920 it's a cynical film, at least for part of it. Actually, 79 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:07.519 I would say it's a cynical film completely that tries 80 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:10.319 to tack on a sentimental ending, and that is why 81 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:14.120 it doesn't work right. And I was buying the cynicism. 82 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:20.319 The one woman's matchmakers said, you're not ugly, you're just poor, 83 00:05:21.560 --> 00:05:25.160 as to explain why someone's you know, not not getting offers. 84 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:30.040 Stuff like that is really funny. Stuff like you know, 85 00:05:30.319 --> 00:05:32.199 all all of the women saying that the man has 86 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:33.959 to be over six feet tall, has to be making 87 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.040 over you know, six hundred thousand a year, and every 88 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:37.920 man is saying she's got to be twenty. 89 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:38.879 Eight or I know exactly. 90 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:44.920 It's cynical and it's you know, it's it makes a point. 91 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.199 It makes a point. And you kept saying all throughout 92 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.160 the first half of the film, thank god, I'm not dating. 93 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:51.680 I know. That's real. 94 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.800 That's really shit. I know it's especially in New York. 95 00:05:53.839 --> 00:05:56.959 I mean, I if you have any experience dating in 96 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.959 New York, and we do in a way, no, we don't. 97 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.199 Well we have friends, we know people dating. You know, 98 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.480 we have that kind of experience of like gay dating 99 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:09.360 in New York, and it's it's brutal. It's New York 100 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.240 is brutal. They just yeah, I guess because they have 101 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:14.000 I don't know. 102 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.680 It depends on what social scene you're looking at. I mean, 103 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:19.560 she is part I'm sorry, ahead, now, go ahead, that's it. 104 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.279 She's a matchmaker who works for high you know, income clients. 105 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:28.000 So she is working in a specific social milia. She's 106 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:34.680 working with specific types of people. So let's talk about 107 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:38.160 the cast. Let's talk about the fact that Dakota Johnson. 108 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.199 I defended her because you're like, she can't act at all, 109 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:46.720 and I was like, she can, but she's extremely low 110 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:48.959 key in her acting. And then I settled on the 111 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:52.279 term on the word lazy. She's a lazy actress. She 112 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.279 doesn't really work all that hard in any of her scenes. 113 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:59.560 And I do want to say she's upholding the family tradition. 114 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:02.920 Her mother is Melanie Griffith, her grandmother is Tippy Hedron, 115 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:07.959 and they both were very low energy actresses who you know, 116 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.319 just had a very laid back, low key sort of style. 117 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:14.399 And you know, we're often told that they couldn't act either. 118 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:18.959 So she's part of like a family dynasty of heavy lidded, 119 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:20.000 low voiced women. 120 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.399 Yeah, it's just that lazy attitude. In general. 121 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:25.879 She's very much in Nepo baby the way she speaks. 122 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.279 And I'm you know, I've watched interviews with her, h 123 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:31.160 the actor, and she talked about like, yeah, I can't 124 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:33.639 be I can't get up before ten, you know, I 125 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.439 have you know, whatever, Like she's sort of. 126 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.800 Like Gwyneth Paltrow in a way where her her real 127 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.000 personality can't help, but just to infect everything right, right, 128 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.000 every portrayal, so's she's always to Coda Johnson. 129 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:51.279 It's a lot of privilege there and very little acting, 130 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.519 but you know she yeah, So that comes across. 131 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.319 It does, and part of I want to get into 132 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:03.199 Chris and Pedro Pascal, but just as an overview, I 133 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:07.759 want to say, I think everyone in this film was miscast, 134 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:13.000 and this was part of the reason why it doesn't 135 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:17.079 quite work for me. Pardon me. I read a review 136 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.480 of the film I think it was in New York 137 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:24.759 Magazine by Angelica jay Bastian, the film critic, where she said, 138 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:30.839 Dakota Johnson has never winced at a bill, and that's 139 00:08:31.160 --> 00:08:35.399 very evident in her Like she's privileged girls. Why I 140 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.840 compared her to Gwyneth Paltrow, She's that girl. You can't 141 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.679 have her play someone who can. I totally bought her 142 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:47.360 as someone who was obsessed with money and obsessed with value, 143 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:50.399 which she is or was. I could not buy her 144 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.960 as someone struggling in a shitty apartment. I'm like, that 145 00:08:54.039 --> 00:08:56.240 girl doesn't live in a shitty apartment. That girl has 146 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.960 never lived in a shitty apartment because she can't play 147 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:02.559 that girl. And there was much at the time made 148 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:06.559 of the film because the film deals with economics so much, 149 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.679 deals with class and income levels so much that the 150 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.639 film was widely criticized. When she quoted that she made 151 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:17.240 eighty thousand a year and she lives in an apartment 152 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.440 on her you can't live it right in an apartment 153 00:09:19.440 --> 00:09:21.679 on your own in New York City on eighty thousand 154 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.840 a year. And actually that that quote took me right 155 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:26.960 out of the film because I was like, she doesn't 156 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.279 make that character would make one hundred and twenty at least. 157 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:32.559 Yeah, I mean when she said how much she takes 158 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.759 home new you know, like that that does not make 159 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.120 sense with that apartment. I mean, you saw the apartment 160 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:39.440 had a nice interest in everything. 161 00:09:39.559 --> 00:09:42.240 It made a little balcony. I think it's small, but 162 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:43.519 it's decent for New York. 163 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.720 I was like, there's no way you make only eighty 164 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:49.000 eighty two thousand a year. 165 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:55.840 And then the other issue is that everyone in this 166 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:59.159 film is too old. But why don't we take a 167 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:01.000 break on that little bit I'm shell and then we'll 168 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:05.279 come back and unpack it. We're back, and now I'm 169 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:09.120 gonna call all of these people old. Now it's like this. 170 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:19.080 So at one point Chris Evans, who actually I really 171 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.679 appreciated what he was doing in this film. He was 172 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.759 working very hard and he was doing a good job, 173 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:29.960 but ultimately he was miscast. It's really hard to look 174 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.600 at Chris fucking Evans and think, oh, yeah, that guy's 175 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:34.519 a loser and he can't get a decent job and 176 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:37.360 he's an actor, and no one wants to that guy. 177 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:40.840 Come on, there are. 178 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:44.200 Plenty of good looking, right, non working actors out there. 179 00:10:44.279 --> 00:10:48.039 But it's he had to play like this bitter slub 180 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.759 and I don't know how well he pulled it off, 181 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:55.360 although he did. Acting wise, I thought he was fine. 182 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:59.559 But at one point he said he mentioned his age 183 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:01.840 and he said, I'm thirty seven years old, and I 184 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:03.679 think he said I only have two thousand dollars in 185 00:11:03.720 --> 00:11:06.679 the bank or whatever, and I immediately I was like, 186 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:09.720 you're not thirty seven years old like that, And that 187 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.919 actually took me out of the story because the entire 188 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.320 Chris sevens is like forty five. I haven't looked it 189 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:19.799 up and put bluntley, he looks it. I mean maybe 190 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.399 he's had some work done, but he looks forty five 191 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:25.080 to me, So in the film, I'm like, okay, so 192 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:30.360 you're a struggling actor with three roommates. And if an 193 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:32.720 actor eight or nine years younger who looked eight or 194 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.519 nine years younger had played that part, I would have 195 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.720 stayed in the story a little bit more. But I 196 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:41.879 don't want to sound judgmental here, but I mean, if 197 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.639 you're forty five in living that lifestyle, that is pure 198 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.879 loser and you are not boyfriend or husband material, and 199 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:52.519 that couldn't be any clearer. So if he was a 200 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:55.039 little bit younger, I would have bought or looked a 201 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:57.200 little bit younger, because you know, Chris is looking a 202 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.759 little ragged, which is fine. He's aging like a Paul 203 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:05.559 Newman type and he'll always be really good looking. Similarly, 204 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.000 she at one point has a very blunt It was 205 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.200 actually a great conversation with with Pedro Pascal about value 206 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:14.159 and Huber and what his value is in a relationship 207 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:17.559 and what her value is in a relationship, and in 208 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.399 the context of the type of relationships we are talking about. 209 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.080 Her value is that she's gorgeous and that she's young, 210 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:28.960 and that she's still fertile, like all of this was 211 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:33.759 in the conversation, except she's putting up all of these roadblocks. 212 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:36.399 She's saying all these things about how I'm not right 213 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.000 for you and I'm only gonna data man who I 214 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.559 wind up marrying. And and then she mentions that she's 215 00:12:42.600 --> 00:12:47.639 thirty five, and again like, I mean, Dakota Johnson could 216 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:49.840 actually play younger than that if they wanted to cast 217 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:55.519 her younger. But it really took me out because I thought, not, obviously, 218 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:59.000 I'm talking about the milliare. I'm talking about specific people 219 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:04.000 in a specific setting with specific values. And the values 220 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.840 and the setting and the world that Selene's song created 221 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.519 for these characters is not a world where a thirty 222 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:13.159 five year old woman who wants to marry and wants 223 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:18.720 to marry a rich guy is picky, right, or throwing 224 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.240 up roadblocks. And in fact, she talks about that about 225 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.559 her clients. You know how picky they are, and they're 226 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.320 getting old and they you know, they can't be that 227 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:32.480 picky anymore. And I understand that there's a certain irony 228 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.000 in the fact that she is making the same mistakes 229 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.759 that her characters are making. But I again, the age 230 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:40.320 thing pulled me out of it because I was like, 231 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:44.679 if she was thirty and Chris Evans's character was thirty five, 232 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.600 all of this would work for me much much better 233 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:51.399 both because they're both you know, half a decade or 234 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:56.679 more older than that. I feel like, you know, dating 235 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.840 for the marriage minded at thirty years old is one thing. 236 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:06.159 At thirty five, it starts becoming something else. And I 237 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.200 am not being judgmental about single people or dating or 238 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:12.879 I'm talking about the people in this milliear wealthy Manhattan 239 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:14.960 nights and the women who are running you know, who 240 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.240 want to marry them. And to me, I was like, okay, 241 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:21.879 they it's just little things like that. Where Selene's song 242 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.799 who I think co wrote it, You didn't have to 243 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:29.600 mention her salary or their ages and we could have 244 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.679 writ but you did. You put numbers on them. And 245 00:14:32.720 --> 00:14:34.960 now it's like, well, I don't know that any of 246 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.600 this actually scans for me. 247 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:40.279 I think it worked for me in the beginning because 248 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:42.639 I thought she was very strong about her opinions about 249 00:14:42.639 --> 00:14:45.480 what she wanted, her values or whatever. She wouldn't she 250 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.480 talked about winning a very rich man, not just Richmond, 251 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:52.360 a very very rich man. Uh, and then you know, 252 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.919 and it makes sense to the thing she says, the conversation 253 00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:58.039 she has with with with Chris Evans, the kind of 254 00:14:58.120 --> 00:15:00.320 the fight they have, and she talks about, you know, 255 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.799 I'm I'm about how she doesn't want to be with 256 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.279 him because she's going to be mad at herself. It 257 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:10.720 was such a great, very realistic conversation that you know, 258 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:13.200 I can't be with you because I'm going to be 259 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.080 angry at me, at you, at everything, and. 260 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:17.519 I'm gonna hate myself for being angry at you. 261 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.919 And so that was awesome. Uh. And then you know. 262 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:22.759 It was one of the best parts of the film 263 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:23.440 at I think so. 264 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.000 And then she met, you know, she sort of started 265 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.639 dating Pedro Pascal, which you know, I love him, but 266 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:30.000 I don't. 267 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:31.279 I think he was just wrong for. 268 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.639 The partscous It's not the kind of guy for that part. 269 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:35.600 He's just not. 270 00:15:37.600 --> 00:15:42.399 He he was like this smooth Well first off, she 271 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.320 kept calling him a unicorn, and I was like, that's 272 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:44.960 a bit much. 273 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:46.120 Uh. 274 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:51.559 I think Pedro Pascal can be very, very sexy, but 275 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:54.120 you've got to give him space to be himself, to 276 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:58.440 be a little flirtatious, to have that little wink and 277 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:00.600 the film took all of that out him, and he 278 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:05.919 just had no right. He was mildly charming, but he 279 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:09.799 was very very clear that he was the roadblock boyfriend. 280 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:12.000 That she was going to date this guy, but that's 281 00:16:12.000 --> 00:16:13.600 not the one she was going to wind up with. 282 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:15.799 And that is like a thankless role for an actor. 283 00:16:16.480 --> 00:16:20.000 And why would you cast an actor like that and 284 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:24.440 then tamp down on everything that makes him so likable? 285 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:26.799 And I guess you had a tamp down on that 286 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:29.440 stuff because otherwise, why wouldn't she wind up with Pedro 287 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.320 Pascal at the end of the movie. So he has 288 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.960 to be somehow a little bit less than perfect, a 289 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.919 little bit less than you know, flirtatious. And so it's 290 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:43.480 this semi unrecognizable version of Pedro Pascal throughout the movie. 291 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.759 That scene in the kitchen where they broke up, I 292 00:16:46.799 --> 00:16:50.480 was like, what the fuck? Nothing about this fields natural 293 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.159 if nothing emotionally true, none of it. It's just two 294 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:58.799 people standing apart from each other and just talking back 295 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.399 and forth like a tennis I agree that. 296 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:05.759 The whole thing with the with the poor guy with 297 00:17:05.839 --> 00:17:08.119 the poor boyfriend, I just I just don't buy it. 298 00:17:08.119 --> 00:17:09.440 I'm sorry, I don't buy it. At all. 299 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:13.240 I just I did not buy it at all. You 300 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.799 had to give me something in the in the beginning 301 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.400 of the film, right, to make me believe that she 302 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:20.039 was going to make that choice at the end of 303 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:24.640 the film. And it's really and maybe maybe you're supposed 304 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:26.880 to look at it this way, it's really hard not 305 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:29.359 to see that as she's making a bad choice at 306 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:30.240 the end of the film. 307 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:30.759 Right. 308 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:33.160 Does do you think there's going to be a baby 309 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.440 in a wedding anytime soon for these people? 310 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:37.039 I don't know. 311 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.839 I'm always a little turned off by that type of story, 312 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:43.559 that that an ambitious woman ends up, you know, giving 313 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:45.160 up giving up everything to. 314 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:47.039 Be with the love of her love who has no money. 315 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.200 I don't buy that. 316 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.839 It's such a cliche, and was actually making a really 317 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:55.599 good case for not doing that. For that, you know, 318 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:57.759 it would be a bad thing for her to do that. 319 00:17:58.519 --> 00:18:00.039 So I just didn't buy it at the end. And 320 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.039 she didn't have chemistry with either one of those men, 321 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:07.359 so it was really hard to become invested in either 322 00:18:07.400 --> 00:18:10.759 one of them. She's you know, she's so low key 323 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:14.200 and hey, and like Chris Evans and her had no 324 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.359 spark whatsoever. She and Pedro Pascal were just looking at 325 00:18:18.400 --> 00:18:20.039 each other and have their scenes. 326 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:21.160 I think it was an. 327 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:24.519 Interesting movie, uh, in the sense that it talked about 328 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.039 something interesting, which is dating, which is dating, and as 329 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:31.480 you said, was kind of sarcastic in the beginning. Uh, cynical, 330 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:35.839 cynical and uh, you know, showing those those situations where people, 331 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:38.119 you know, can't believe that they don't have anybody. But 332 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.480 then they you know, when they run their you know, 333 00:18:40.599 --> 00:18:43.720 laundry list of things they want and they can't you know, 334 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.519 part with that type of stuff. It's interesting in this 335 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:50.000 reo and that's what happens. I mean, I see people 336 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.359 like that all the time, friends and everybody who you know, 337 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:56.680 can't you know, can't understand why they don't have anybody 338 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.759 in there anyway. But so it was interesting. And then 339 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:01.519 they're the story with one of her. I think the 340 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.200 show with this is about the show. 341 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:03.720 The movie. 342 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:05.920 The movie was trying to be a little serious and 343 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:07.559 then had she had that client. 344 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:12.279 Yeah. I wanted to bring that up because I think 345 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.240 the film. This is another area where the film fails, because, 346 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.799 like I said, the first hour or forty five minutes 347 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:19.880 or so of the film was a fairly light rom 348 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:24.279 com about basically wealthy people in New York. And then 349 00:19:24.559 --> 00:19:26.799 the last half of the film or the last third 350 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:32.799 of the film, it's a rape storyline. And you know, 351 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.319 on a certain level, when you're telling a story about 352 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:42.799 women ambitiously dating, you know, trying desperately to find that man, 353 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.920 maybe there's a certain responsibility to talk about that part 354 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:50.680 of it. There was a conversation with her boss whereas 355 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.039 her boss was like her matchmaking boss was like, yeah, 356 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.640 this is what happens. It's dating. This is you know, 357 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:00.559 I'm not saying you can't do that, but it was 358 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:04.480 jarring as a tonal shift. And then it became all 359 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:10.319 about her client who got raped on a date, and 360 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:13.440 then her rest. I want to say though, that Zoe Winters, 361 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:17.680 who played her client, Sophie, really fantastic job. There were good, 362 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.839 very scenes where she sobbed and I was like, wow, 363 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:24.720 she's really in it. I just didn't feel like a 364 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:29.279 sobbing rape victim felt like it belonged in this movie. 365 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:32.960 But fine, like I said, it is a movie about 366 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.759 modern dating, and like I said, about ambitious dating, not 367 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:38.359 not like laid back dating, but dating with a goal. 368 00:20:39.319 --> 00:20:42.839 And yeah, there's going to you know whatever. Not that 369 00:20:42.880 --> 00:20:45.480 I'm suggesting anybody deserved it. I'm just saying, you know, 370 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:47.119 running in the numbers, it's going to happen. 371 00:20:47.200 --> 00:20:50.160 Now, let's just make two things clear here. Number one 372 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:53.640 that yes, when you date, those things happen, and you 373 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:55.319 know they're horrible, but they happened. 374 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:56.240 And and b. 375 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.519 We're not saying that you know, it's not right to 376 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.200 show that type of situation, or that it's just tonally 377 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:05.599 it didn't fit, just didn't fit with the rest of 378 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:06.039 the movie. 379 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:11.839 That's there's accusations and crying anything. And I actually didn't 380 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:18.079 think Sophie, her client had much of a reason to 381 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.519 be mad at her, although she wasn't being very reasonable 382 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.400 at the moment. I don't think she did. Like it 383 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.200 really wasn't Dakota Johnson's fault. 384 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:26.799 No, I think the movie was trying to make the 385 00:21:26.839 --> 00:21:29.640 point that you saw a fantasy and then people I 386 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:30.960 feel betrayed when something like that. 387 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:33.079 No, I agree with that. And she did point out 388 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.680 that she basically pushed a low value guy on her 389 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.079 because she didn't think she was a high value client, 390 00:21:40.519 --> 00:21:42.640 and that part was true, and all of that actually 391 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:43.640 worked thematically. 392 00:21:43.680 --> 00:21:44.279 But what I. 393 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:51.920 Hated hated was that this character's rape became the impetus 394 00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.519 for Dakota Johnson becoming a better person. And I'm like, 395 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:57.240 that's a really shitty way to to write about rape. 396 00:21:57.720 --> 00:22:01.519 And I'm actually surprised a female director was using that storyline, 397 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.839 Like I don't know, it just it didn't sit well 398 00:22:04.880 --> 00:22:07.200 with me. Like there are ways that you can get 399 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.359 a character like Dakota Johnson's to give up her materialistic 400 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:13.720 ways and become more open to love and blah blah 401 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.720