Speaker 1: Last episode, we began the story of the Sexton family cult,
Speaker 1: so we recommend you check that out first because now
Speaker 1: we are covering the remainder of the case in part two. Today.
Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
Speaker 2: and Grim.
Speaker 1: A true crime podcasting. The following material intended for a
Speaker 1: mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. You ready for part two?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are you sure?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do you remember what happened in part one? Let's start
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 2: I do for the most part.
Speaker 1: I would say you do for the most part.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it was a fucked up story
Speaker 2: to remember.
Speaker 1: That, touche you can. You may also remember that it
Speaker 1: was requested over on Patreon. We did a little poll
Speaker 1: for the last couple episodes on Hey, let's get some
Speaker 1: case recommendations, some suggestions, and this one was brought up
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Speaker 1: new patrons to thank who signed up and they have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to go recommend cases as well over there,
Speaker 1: So shout out to Erica Bone, Minnie Hatanan, Vicky Elder,
Speaker 1: Megan Warren and they got to scroll up. Is that
Speaker 1: the remainder of the list. Yes, Megan, you were the
Speaker 1: last one to sign up this week, so thank you
Speaker 1: very much. Shout out to you guys for showing that
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 2: I was just going to say they're doing our dirty work, hey,
Speaker 2: but I mean it's a win win. They're recommend in
Speaker 2: cases they want us to hear, and then when we
Speaker 2: need a case without having time to, like, you know,
Speaker 2: scroll the.
Speaker 1: Interwebs, go search for one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just go to that list.
Speaker 1: So it is a win win, And honestly, there's some
Speaker 1: some wild cases that have been suggested, so I might
Speaker 1: be feeding off that list for a little while here
Speaker 1: to come. But there are also ones I'm wanting to
Speaker 1: cover here on my own little lists that are on
Speaker 1: the back burner. So we'll see. We'll be going back
Speaker 1: and forth here. Definitely be covering a lot.
Speaker 2: You know, I actually have a giant list of cases
Speaker 2: I want to cover.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to be covering one this month, which means
Speaker 1: you you're supposed to be doing next episode technical speak, We're.
Speaker 2: Going to have to just see. Okay, if I don't
Speaker 2: like I will make it up to y'all at some point.
Speaker 2: Just bear with me.
Speaker 1: So that means December, Nicole.
Speaker 2: It's on my list for this year, but I also
Speaker 2: have a million and one photos to enter.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal if you do not do one for November,
Speaker 1: which you're basically telling us right now you're not doing.
Speaker 2: I said, there's I said, basically, I won't be.
Speaker 1: I said, basically, hold on. So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I want to make a deal
Speaker 2: with you, I give me.
Speaker 1: A mo I'm gonna speak for all of you guys
Speaker 1: out there right now. I'm assuming you're on the same
Speaker 1: page as me wanting to call to cover one. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak for all of us when I
Speaker 1: make this deal. You do such a good job, though, Okay,
Speaker 1: can you stop interrupting me please, because you're not digging
Speaker 1: yourself out of this fucking hole. I'm going to represent
Speaker 1: everyone and making this bargain here. You will get off
Speaker 1: the hook for doing a November case as long as
Speaker 1: you do a Christmas case for whatever day falls closest
Speaker 1: to Christmas. It's got to be a Christmas story. It's
Speaker 1: got to be a good deep dive and it's got
Speaker 1: to be close to Christmas that you come up with
Speaker 1: that episode, the closest one, whatever date it falls on. Okay,
Speaker 1: how's that for a deal?
Speaker 2: So what does that mean that I need to do
Speaker 2: two in December then? Because I got to do one
Speaker 2: at some point in December and a Christmas e one?
Speaker 1: No, this is it. Oh, it's got to be a
Speaker 1: Christmas one. You are going to be the Christmas episode,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Well, going forward, I do definitely want to do one
Speaker 2: a month. That is like my goal for twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and it's like a pretty small goal. I should be
Speaker 2: able to.
Speaker 1: Do this fair enough, fair enough, So okay, looking at
Speaker 1: the calendar, that means you have to come out with
Speaker 1: an episode on the twenty fourth Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see what you're saying there. Okay, sure, yeah,
Speaker 2: I love Christmas. I mean that's kind of a bummer though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the story's got to be Christmas themed, so
Speaker 1: it's got to be.
Speaker 2: I have gotten some of those before, like John Benet Ramsey.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure was it just like was around Christmas
Speaker 2: that it happened, and there's been another one.
Speaker 1: As long as you do that again, and it comes
Speaker 1: out on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to figure out one then that's Christmas Eve. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll take that deal. That's not too bad. I was
Speaker 2: like thinking I was going to be making a deal
Speaker 2: with the devil there.
Speaker 1: So no, it's just there we go. That's the deal.
Speaker 1: And you do not get off the hook on this one. Okay.
Speaker 2: Oh no, there's no way I can again.
Speaker 1: Shake on it. Shake on it right now. Okay, we
Speaker 1: need like sound effects. Okay, hold on, we got to
Speaker 1: get him up to Mike or something. Let's hold on.
Speaker 1: Here we go, there we go. Deal deal. Okay, we
Speaker 1: shook on it and drinking on it too.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, here cheers with my glass of water. There
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Okay, we've been rambling here. Let's get on to this.
Speaker 1: So in the last episode we discussed the sex and
Speaker 1: Family cult. Eddie Sexton was the father of the family,
Speaker 1: of course, and to sum it up, we don't like Eddie.
Speaker 1: He's a deuce canoe. He is a mean individual. He
Speaker 1: abuses his family both mentally and physically. He controls everyone
Speaker 1: and there every move. His family lives in constant fear
Speaker 1: of him. And when we left off, we're just kind
Speaker 1: of touching on the sexual abuse both that he and
Speaker 1: his wife put the children through. Now, his wife May
Speaker 1: was often helping him commit these acts, though as far
Speaker 1: as we areware, she never committed them herself. It's been
Speaker 1: years of marriage to a monster at this point, and
Speaker 1: it seems that the relationship to this monster finally turned
Speaker 1: her kind soul over to his rotten side. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: kind of where we left off.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do remember all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, now, the oldest daughter of Eddie and May
Speaker 1: was actually named after her mother, because her first name
Speaker 1: was actually Estella May. She just goes by May, so
Speaker 1: she was actually named after May, though everyone just called
Speaker 1: her Pixie. Now, Pixie was definitely Eddie's favorite child, and
Speaker 1: because of the favoritism, he treated her a little bit differently,
Speaker 1: and of course because of that, she was more loyal
Speaker 1: to him as well, and she'd often tell on the
Speaker 1: other children if they did anything wrong. So she would
Speaker 1: often kind of go running to him and be that
Speaker 1: tattletale type.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I remember too you saying about them
Speaker 2: in school. Yeah, they were given money to phone, right exactly.
Speaker 1: We're all lined up in the morning, given a quarter each,
Speaker 1: and you make a phone call if you see something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Pixie was kind of playing the part of
Speaker 1: Eddie's informant, at least more than the other children were.
Speaker 1: She was kind of like the eyes and ears when
Speaker 1: he wasn't around. But by the time Pixie was seventeen,
Speaker 1: she and her father were sleeping together on a regular basis.
Speaker 1: But for Pixie it wasn't abuse. See, Pixie was in
Speaker 1: love with her father. Now, obviously there is abuse taking place,
Speaker 1: and she was obviously manipulated into this incestual relationship. So
Speaker 1: she more so thought she was in love with him,
Speaker 1: but more than likely there was a serious case of
Speaker 1: Stockholm syndrome gripping her and making her really believe it.
Speaker 2: Okay, so my head didn't go to where I guess
Speaker 2: it was supposed to. I just thought they were just
Speaker 2: like sleeping in the same bed kind of like, No,
Speaker 2: they were they thought, oh, yeah, that is that's not good.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, because last last episode we kind of left
Speaker 1: off with that sexual abuse kind of picking up there
Speaker 1: a bit still, dang, Okay, Now the family is messed
Speaker 1: up as their lives were did experience some moments of joy,
Speaker 1: though occasionally, for example, the family would cut loose in
Speaker 1: the evenings and the family would have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a family dance night in the living room. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a good old fashioned so cop just just happened in
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 2: I do like that. That's like real cool.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: That is about the only cool thing I feel like
Speaker 2: I've heard in the story.
Speaker 1: So it is. However, during one of these evenings, when
Speaker 1: everyone was feeling good, Eddie took the opportunity to make
Speaker 1: an announcement to the family. Eddie was going to marry
Speaker 1: his oldest daughter, Pixie.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Kind of fucked the mood that evening, and everyone was
Speaker 1: shocked as Pixie then suddenly emerged from another room wearing
Speaker 1: a wedding veil.
Speaker 2: Oh, like it was happening that night.
Speaker 1: It was happening right then and there.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right in front of his family, right in front
Speaker 1: of his very confused wife.
Speaker 2: Okay, she wasn't a part of this as far as
Speaker 2: you know, Like it wasn't like it was just like
Speaker 2: surprise to her.
Speaker 1: Too, I think so. Yes, Eddie right in front of
Speaker 1: them all, performed a mock wedding ceremony and Mary, his
Speaker 1: daughter right there in the living room. Though, I don't
Speaker 1: think it was like a legal wedding, legally binding, but hey,
Speaker 1: to them, it was all the same. Now, this reportedly
Speaker 1: wasn't the only time he would go on to do this,
Speaker 1: as he would apparently marry a few of his other
Speaker 1: daughters as well. But not long after the first ceremony
Speaker 1: with Pixie, it was revealed that she was now pregnant. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: this was during her junior year of high school, which
Speaker 1: would put around the age of sixteen seventeen, No.
Speaker 2: Shit, so she wasn't even done at school correct Now.
Speaker 1: If you recall, Eddie had absolute control over his family, right,
Speaker 1: Pixie wasn't allowed to date, wasn't allowed to speak to boys,
Speaker 1: or even leave the house on supervised So her pregnancy
Speaker 1: shocked classmates quite a bit, who were aware of the
Speaker 1: strict control of this family dynamic that was going on. So,
Speaker 1: needless to say, there was a lot of questions. So
Speaker 1: to battle the incoming questions that everyone had, Eddie concocted
Speaker 1: a bit of a story claiming that the baby's father
Speaker 1: was a military man who had briefly been in town
Speaker 1: and then you know, left again. While it was something
Speaker 1: the public could buy, the sext and children themselves and
Speaker 1: the family. Within the walls of the home, they knew
Speaker 1: the truth. Eddie was the father.
Speaker 2: That is just so mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. So, in nineteen eighty nine, Pixie gave birth
Speaker 1: to a baby girl that she named Dawn, and the
Speaker 1: following year, during her senior high school year, Pixie became
Speaker 1: pregnant once again.
Speaker 2: And you said nineteen eighty nine, correct, Okay, that is
Speaker 2: quite a while ago. But I feel like it's not
Speaker 2: quite a while ago because I was like one years old.
Speaker 2: One year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nearly forty years ago, babe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still I feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like he was shocked for a moment there.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's not that long ago, but I
Speaker 2: guess it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking, we're encroaching on half a century.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but still, I feel like nineteen hundred or something like.
Speaker 2: I feel like this should be happening in like nineteen fifty,
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty, Okay, not the nineties.
Speaker 1: Well technically it's the eighties.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, technically, okay.
Speaker 1: But during this time with the second pregnancy, Eddie just
Speaker 1: reused the same excuse about a brief encounter with a
Speaker 1: military man, and Pixie gave birth to his second daughter,
Speaker 1: named Shasta. Now the next part may be rough for
Speaker 1: some to hear, so trigger warning regarding babies. You might
Speaker 1: want to skip ahead a minute or two to avoid this. So,
Speaker 1: as I mentioned with the weddings, Pixie wasn't the only one,
Speaker 1: and so it was too with pregnancies. Sherry, one of
Speaker 1: the daughters, would also become pregnant at the age of
Speaker 1: eighteen as well. This time, though Eddie panicked a bit,
Speaker 1: Pixie already had two kids with him, so another pregnancy
Speaker 1: risked exposing his secrets. Suspicions were growing in the community
Speaker 1: about how Pixie became pregnant and had these two children,
Speaker 1: and now Sherry's pregnancy would draw even more serious scrutiny.
Speaker 1: So to avoid all the hassle, Eddie ordered his James
Speaker 1: to kick Sherry in the stomach, and James did as
Speaker 1: he was told, and Sherry lost the baby the next day.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Maybe he just shouldn't have sex with his
Speaker 2: fucking children.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Also, because so much can go wrong with.
Speaker 1: That too, you betcha, But no he yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to continue talking about that. It's a rough talk.
Speaker 2: That's terrible.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Sherry would become pregnant again shortly after, and
Speaker 1: for unknown reasons, Eddie decided to allow her to keep
Speaker 1: this one, and she would go on to birth a
Speaker 1: baby boy she named Christopher.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, this is just such bullshit listening to
Speaker 2: this right now, you good, I don't know, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: like pissed off right.
Speaker 1: Now, understandable. That's a fucked up thing to do that.
Speaker 2: All of this is just so fucked Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and we're we're just getting rolling in this here,
Speaker 1: so right on, we're on part two and we're like
Speaker 1: just getting rolling, so trust me. Yeah. So all three
Speaker 1: of these kids that Eddie had birth with his own
Speaker 1: children down, Shasta and Christopher lived under the same roof
Speaker 1: as the rest of the Sexton family. Now, Eddie's paranoia
Speaker 1: about the law enforcement began to grow, because he was
Speaker 1: already kind of a paranoid to people starting to catch on,
Speaker 1: and he became convinced that the authorities were closing in
Speaker 1: on him for all of his actions thus far with
Speaker 1: his family. So, as any solid minded individual does when
Speaker 1: fearing facing repercussions for their actions in the eyes of
Speaker 1: the law, he began stockpiling firearms and preparing for what
Speaker 1: he believed would be an inevitable war against the police.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why, but I not go there.
Speaker 1: Well that's probably because of the lead up I had
Speaker 1: for that being you know, any sound minded individual, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was not so clearly he's a little out to lunch. Now.
Speaker 1: With all these stockpiling firearms and everything. He began training
Speaker 1: his children to handle these guns as well, teaching them
Speaker 1: to shoot with precisions or disassembling and reassembling all the
Speaker 1: weapons and prepared for battle. He's essentially turning his household
Speaker 1: into a mini battalion. Yeah, having soldiers at the ready,
Speaker 1: and by the end of their training, the Sexton children
Speaker 1: have become quite proficient with these firearms.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is not going to end well, you don't
Speaker 2: think no, Yeah, no, I'm pretty worried now.
Speaker 1: Well for Eddie, though, just preparing for war wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: He decided that he needed to find a way to
Speaker 1: try and hide more of the truths, if at all possible,
Speaker 1: trying to avoid this war, right, just hide the truths
Speaker 1: and not have this war happen, which I mean prevention
Speaker 1: is that's a good thing. But like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: just don't fuck your kids and maybe don't beat them
Speaker 1: and all this other shit too. But for him, he's
Speaker 1: trying to find another way to cover all those secrets
Speaker 1: of those things he's done. So this is where a
Speaker 1: young man by the name of Joel Good would come in. Now.
Speaker 1: Joel was a quiet and kind young man when he
Speaker 1: became an unwitting participant in Eddie's efforts to conceal the truth.
Speaker 1: But before we look at what happens with him and
Speaker 1: the family, need to kind of take a look at
Speaker 1: who Joel was a little bit now. Joel's life was
Speaker 1: marked by tragedy early on, at just thirteen years old,
Speaker 1: he lost both of his parents within a short time,
Speaker 1: his father to a heart attack and his mother to
Speaker 1: complications from diabetes. From there, he was initially sent to
Speaker 1: live with his grandparents, but eventually moved to Jackson, Ohio.
Speaker 1: I had to live with his aunt Tessa, and by
Speaker 1: the time he reached high school, Joel's described as quiet, kind,
Speaker 1: good looking young man. Despite some learning difficulties, he had
Speaker 1: a close knit group of friends who appreciated his gentle demeanor.
Speaker 1: It was through one of his friends, a girl named Terry,
Speaker 1: that Joel would meet Pixie Sexton and during their or
Speaker 1: jor high junior year in high school together. Now, while
Speaker 1: they didn't begin dating immediately, the two grew closer over
Speaker 1: time and officially started a relationship their senior year. Now,
Speaker 1: when Joel began spending time with Pixie and spending time
Speaker 1: at the Sexton house, he quickly became a well liked
Speaker 1: individual with the entire family, even with Eddie. Okay, yeah, now,
Speaker 1: how easy Eddie. How easily Eddie let Joel into the
Speaker 1: family and of course letting Pixie see him as well,
Speaker 1: was quite shocking to many. In hindsight, it's kind of
Speaker 1: clear that this was actually part of his plan, because
Speaker 1: up until now there was very tight restrictions on even
Speaker 1: talking to anybody, let alone having a relationship with, you know,
Speaker 1: someone of the opposite sex or a partner or anything
Speaker 1: like that. So it was quite you know, unbelievable to
Speaker 1: see that he was allowing this to actually happen.
Speaker 3: So he very much so had ulterior motives one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: because uh yeah, Well, by the time Joe and Pixie
Speaker 3: started dating, Pixie had already given birth to two of
Speaker 3: Eddie's children.
Speaker 1: Right right now, Pixie was pregnant with a third gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Eddie was beginning to be more and more worried about
Speaker 1: people finding out what was really going on, and he
Speaker 1: needed Pixie to pursue a public relationship with someone aka Joel,
Speaker 1: so he could have this scapegoat, right, so the people
Speaker 1: can look at and be like, oh, this is the
Speaker 1: person you know that's God are pregnant and I'm sure
Speaker 1: there's these military men that have come and gone a
Speaker 1: couple times so far, but now this is the explanation
Speaker 1: for the third or whatever. Right. So Pixie began seeing
Speaker 1: Joel under her father's directions and told Joel that the
Speaker 1: baby she was carrying was his. Joel, who of course
Speaker 1: longed for a family of his own, was super excited
Speaker 1: for the news. For him, the prospect of becoming a
Speaker 1: father was an absolute dream come true. I mean, after all,
Speaker 1: he did lose his parents when he was quite young,
Speaker 1: so having that family tie meant all the more to him.
Speaker 2: Right. Okay, so I'm confused. So Eddie told Joel this.
Speaker 1: Well, Eddie told Pixie to do this with Joel, right,
Speaker 1: and so Pixie is like, hey, Joel, it's your baby.
Speaker 2: Oh, so like it could actually have been his baby
Speaker 2: kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Possibly yes, but well.
Speaker 2: No, like he actually like they had sex.
Speaker 1: Yes, possibly, as far as I'm aware, it could paternally
Speaker 1: be his child.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, but I was just thinking they told him
Speaker 2: this and like the two of them hadn't even done that.
Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I think now there is there was
Speaker 1: never a paternity test done on this child, which we'll
Speaker 1: talk about a little bit later. But there's never a
Speaker 1: paternity test done on this child. So there is no
Speaker 1: concrete evidence or anything I could find that really says
Speaker 1: you're right or I'm right. For all I know, Joel
Speaker 1: very well may not have sex with have had sex
Speaker 1: with Pixie, and maybe she has convinced him otherwise, and
Speaker 1: maybe he didn't know how that worked quite yet because
Speaker 1: he was young too. I don't know. Okay, I'm assuming that, yes,
Speaker 1: they have had sex and there is an actual potential
Speaker 1: for this to be his child. But in reality, I
Speaker 1: think Pixie became pregnant and quickly gotten this relationship with Joel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think makes the most sense. But I
Speaker 2: was just like curious how this was going down kind
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 1: But Okay, there's been no paternal test done, and you'll
Speaker 1: understand why later. But there's been no paternal test done,
Speaker 1: and we don't know for certain.
Speaker 2: Okay, keep it, poor Joel. He now has a family,
Speaker 2: and I'm so happy about it. But this family is
Speaker 2: just so messed up.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is about the most messed up family you
Speaker 1: can fucking think of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he needed to have run for the hills, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but as far as he knew though, he was
Speaker 1: just he had not only a loving partner by a
Speaker 1: side who's going to start a family with, and I
Speaker 1: mean she's already got two kids that he's kind of
Speaker 1: becoming the father for, but he also has Eddie, who
Speaker 1: we know is a very manipulative individual. He's very suave,
Speaker 1: if you will, with the public and everything right, and
Speaker 1: he's playing this role onto Joel as well. So now
Speaker 1: Joel also has a father figure himself too. So the
Speaker 1: family he never had and the family that he wanted
Speaker 1: he gets to also create. It's to him, it's everything
Speaker 1: he's always wanted.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that just like pulls at the heartstrip really does. Now.
Speaker 1: Joel did have some aunts who raised him after his
Speaker 1: parents passed away. I mentioned one earlier that he had
Speaker 1: moved in with, and neither of these aunts liked the
Speaker 1: situation he was found in, and they were extremely skeptical
Speaker 1: of Pixie and the whole Sexton family. However, Joel didn't care.
Speaker 1: All he knew is that he was going to be
Speaker 1: a father and remained committed to Pixie. For Joel, this
Speaker 1: relationship was a chance to build the stability he lost
Speaker 1: with the death of his parents. For Eddie and Pixie,
Speaker 1: it was a means of protecting the secrets that could
Speaker 1: have exposed the Sexton's family's horror in the house now. Eventually,
Speaker 1: Joel moved into the Sexton home and he and Pixie
Speaker 1: became engaged, and Eddie put together a rushed wedding, trying
Speaker 1: to solidify his plan. Oh jeez, so this This wedding
Speaker 1: originally was scheduled for Valentine's Day February fourteenth, nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: but was abruptly moved up two days by Eddie. He
Speaker 1: suggested they marry immediately and insisted Joel not inform his
Speaker 1: family about the change. Joel was eager to please his
Speaker 1: future father in law and agreed with no question, So
Speaker 1: in February twelfth, nineteen ninety two, Eddie himself officiated the
Speaker 1: again mock wedding, ceremony, which was probably not very legal.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it was in this case because he
Speaker 1: was pretty anxious for legal paperwork, so there might have
Speaker 1: been some formal legalities around this one. But also immediately
Speaker 1: after this wedding, Joel and Pixie went to the local
Speaker 1: health department to file a certificate of paternity for Don,
Speaker 1: Pixie's first child. Joel legally claimed Don as his daughter,
Speaker 1: and the couple planned to do the same for Shasta,
Speaker 1: the second daughter, in another jurisdiction. So they're going to go, like,
Speaker 1: get this done immediately now, right right now. The thing is, though,
Speaker 1: Michelle Sexton, one of Eddie's daughters, in late nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 1: about a year a few months really before the marriage happened,
Speaker 1: began notifying her school counselor about abuse occurring in the home.
Speaker 1: Her breaking point when she came when she witnessed Eddie
Speaker 1: kissing in an inappropriate way one of her sorry her
Speaker 1: two younger sisters, Lana and Kimberly, and she realized that
Speaker 1: they were likely during the same abuse that she had
Speaker 1: already endured as well being the of course sexual abuse. Initially,
Speaker 1: she hesitated due to the DHS's repeated failures in previous
Speaker 1: investigations upon the home, but Michelle only disclosed partial details
Speaker 1: because of this. Now that was only at first, because, however,
Speaker 1: over time she revealed enough information to prompt action to
Speaker 1: actually occur. So by February of nineteen ninety two, DHS
Speaker 1: officials determined Michelle needed to be removed from the home
Speaker 1: for her safety. So in the morning of February twelfth,
Speaker 1: just two just a few hours before Pixie and Joel's wedding,
Speaker 1: DHS agents arrived with Michelle, collected her belongings, and placed
Speaker 1: her in foster care. The timing of the visit likely
Speaker 1: is why Eddie suddenly moved up the wedding, rushed it
Speaker 1: all to happen right away.
Speaker 2: That makes sense because I was kind of like, what's
Speaker 2: two days, buddy, Like that just didn't make any sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: But also so good of her, was it, Michelle?
Speaker 1: You said, let me double check, Becau. There's a few
Speaker 1: names going across crosses here. Yes, it was Michelle's everything.
Speaker 2: Wow, nikes that I'm just like so proud of her,
Speaker 2: Like good for her. That would just not be easy
Speaker 2: because she's very brainwashed.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, So big props to her that wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been easy for no. But now Eddie was facing
Speaker 1: this scrutiny because DHS was on his ass. They had
Speaker 1: already removed one of the children from the home. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of questions going around on who these kids are,
Speaker 1: in the maternity of them, there's a lot going on,
Speaker 1: And in his mind, he could convince everyone that Pixie's
Speaker 1: children were Joel's, all of them. He could even shake
Speaker 1: DHS in his own mind. But there's a glaring flaw
Speaker 1: because Joel met Pixie five months after the first daughter
Speaker 1: was already born, Okay, so making it impossible for him
Speaker 1: to at least be one of the kids, right right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But Eddie was just like, no, I can convince them,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get them to do the paperwork, legal stuff,
Speaker 1: and it'll be fine. But regardless. Meanwhile, Michelle though at
Speaker 1: first hesitated to share the full extent of what happened
Speaker 1: within the home, Like she started opening up quite a
Speaker 1: bit at school to the counselor, but with DHS and everything,
Speaker 1: she was quite hesitant. You know, she'd been brainwashed for
Speaker 1: so long about authorities. It was quite a bit for
Speaker 1: her to tear down that wall.
Speaker 2: When I imagined to the school counselor. She had built
Speaker 2: up this relationship with them, right, exactly, and these people
Speaker 2: DHS she was just meeting exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, over time, she began to share more and more details,
Speaker 1: which included the accounts of sexual and physical abuse inflicted
Speaker 1: upon herself and her siblings. Thankfully, Michelle's bravery is what
Speaker 1: opened the floodgates. Her disclosures were enough for DHS to
Speaker 1: finally take action, and on April sixteenth, nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 1: they removed all the miners from the Sexton family household.
Speaker 2: Okay, including the kid like the grandkids.
Speaker 1: They removed all the miners from home.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I have such disturbing question going through my
Speaker 2: head too that no one can answer. But it's like,
Speaker 2: with Pixie getting married, does that mean that he can't
Speaker 2: have a relationship with her anymore? I'm assuming right, Well,
Speaker 2: who knows, God, I don't know why that's so.
Speaker 1: You're saying Eddie can't have a relationship with Pixie anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a sexual relationship.
Speaker 1: I don't think that would have stopped him.
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: No, Eddie's the type of individual who he has control
Speaker 1: over everything. I mean, he's already married with his wife
Speaker 1: and he's having a sexual relationship with his fucking daughter. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I'm pretty sure if he wants to have a
Speaker 1: relationship with her daughter, whether she's married or not, he's
Speaker 1: going to.
Speaker 2: Okay. Yeah, in my head, I was like, Nope, can't happen.
Speaker 2: So I kind of wish and I wouldn't have brought
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Sorry. So when they removed these these children from the home,
Speaker 1: DHS did have quite a strategy to it. They picked
Speaker 1: up the children from school to avoid alerting Eddie and
Speaker 1: May as best as they could. However, two children remained
Speaker 1: at the home and required DHS workers to actually retreat
Speaker 1: them directly. As more children began sharing their experiences once
Speaker 1: picked up by DHS and corroborating Michelle's accounts, the evidence
Speaker 1: against Eddie just kept growing stronger and stronger, despite both
Speaker 1: him and May of course denying it all. So Eddie
Speaker 1: was soon ordered to stay off the family property and
Speaker 1: have no contact with May or the children during the investigation. Initially,
Speaker 1: this arrangement allowed some of the children to return home
Speaker 1: to May under the condition that, of course Eddie not
Speaker 1: be involved in their life. Right at this point, the
Speaker 1: full extent of May's complicit I'm sorry, complicity in the
Speaker 1: abuse had not yet really fully been revealed, which is
Speaker 1: why DHS kind of allowed this because that hadn't been
Speaker 1: brought up yet, no one really knew, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the only real reason why she was
Speaker 1: allowed to retain custody. But Eddie, however, of course, did
Speaker 1: not listen to what the authority say had said. Sorry,
Speaker 1: he did not stay away. He violated the no contact order,
Speaker 1: and he frequently visited the house. However, one day Eddie
Speaker 1: arrived at the home and declared he wasn't leaving.
Speaker 2: Gosh, of course, of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he barricaded himself in and the family with
Speaker 1: him into the home and called the Jackson Police Department,
Speaker 1: and he warned them that he was not about to surrender.
Speaker 1: He threatened with violence, and he stated that if officers
Speaker 1: attempt to remove him, he would quote leave a trail
Speaker 1: of bodies.
Speaker 2: And he's been preparing for this, he has been, and
Speaker 2: they probably don't know that.
Speaker 1: Nope, So he's got a bunch of guns in the house,
Speaker 1: he's got trained children to stand guard, and yeah, law
Speaker 1: enforcement quickly responded, surrounded the home. You know, they cleared
Speaker 1: off the street where the home was at, and Eddie
Speaker 1: armed his kids, giving them guns and instructing them to
Speaker 1: shoot anyone who got too close to the house. So
Speaker 1: the standoff lasted two days to the two days yeah,
Speaker 1: with officers trying to negotiate a peaceful resolution, and on
Speaker 1: the second day, a deputy managed to reach Eddie by phone,
Speaker 1: and thanks thankfully to this deputy, either common patient negotiation
Speaker 1: tactics ultimately succeeded in persuading Eddie to surrender. Eddie exited
Speaker 1: the home and was immediately taken into custody, ending the standoff,
Speaker 1: thankfully without any bloodshed.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's impressive. I did not think that was going
Speaker 2: to be going that way.
Speaker 1: No me either. Honestly, it could have gone a lot worse,
Speaker 1: and I'm surprised Eddie let it go that honestly, even
Speaker 1: that soon. If you're a surrender, I thought it would
Speaker 1: have gone longer. Yeah, most likely he was all up
Speaker 1: in his own head because he seems like a weird
Speaker 1: individual up there, So probably he kind of got to
Speaker 1: himself and talked himself down before the officers did. Anyways. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't seem like someone that would let other
Speaker 2: people convince him to do anything.
Speaker 1: No, which is exactly why I think he would have
Speaker 1: been the one to convince himself. So it seemed like
Speaker 1: the cycle of control and abuse had finally been broken. However,
Speaker 1: for reasons that are very difficult to comprehend, Eddie was
Speaker 1: allowed to post bond and he was released from custody.
Speaker 2: What the shit?
Speaker 1: Yeah you may not believe it, but this is what
Speaker 1: set the stage for even more tragic events soon.
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Nope, they had him and he
Speaker 2: was able to get out.
Speaker 1: They let him walk.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, that is mind blowing to me.
Speaker 1: You pissed?
Speaker 2: Yeah, rightfully, so I am too and shocked. That just
Speaker 2: makes no sense.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. I'm with you right there.
Speaker 2: The fuck? Yeah?
Speaker 1: The fuck?
Speaker 2: Okay you could? I yeah, I guess, but that just
Speaker 2: I'm like flabbergast.
Speaker 1: I think we need to get you like a stress
Speaker 1: ball or something that amazing. Or maybe we'll get you
Speaker 1: like a pillow with fucking Eddie Sexton's face on it
Speaker 1: so you can just punch it whenever you get.
Speaker 2: There will be numerous have to be numerous faces on there,
Speaker 2: But honestly, like a wicket, Ingram's stress ball. That sounds dope.
Speaker 1: I'd be into that, Toche. So immediately after posting Bond,
Speaker 1: Eddie returned to the family home, not surprising despite the
Speaker 1: no contact order. But this time he came with a plan,
Speaker 1: and to not bunker down to not you know, wall
Speaker 1: themselves inside, but instead, his plan was to hit the
Speaker 1: road to run.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
Speaker 1: He instructed May and the children to pack what they could,
Speaker 1: and the family loaded into the travel trailer and headed
Speaker 1: out of town. Their destination was a secluded campground in
Speaker 1: Hillsboro River State Park in Florida, where Eddie hoped to
Speaker 1: avoid detection. Now. Eddie's paranoia continued to escalate only more
Speaker 1: and more from here. He repeatedly told his children that
Speaker 1: they were at war with authorities. So they're on the
Speaker 1: road driving or whatever it was, and he's just like,
Speaker 1: we're at war. We're at war. And he's just instilling
Speaker 1: this fear and even more so separating them from the
Speaker 1: outside world because they're now out in the world. They
Speaker 1: don't have that safety at home, right, And he's like,
Speaker 1: we're at war. You gotta stick with me, Like we
Speaker 1: got to stick together. We can't trust anyone, like so
Speaker 1: it's this big mind fuck game. Now, by this time,
Speaker 1: Pixie had given to her third child, named Skipper Lee
Speaker 1: Good love the name Skipper. That's fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: That's actually super cute.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So by this time he was a nine month
Speaker 1: old little boy, and Joel Pixie, our children, Don, Shasta,
Speaker 1: and Skipper were amongst the family at the campground when
Speaker 1: the family fled. So at some point after arriving in Florida,
Speaker 1: at this campground, Pixie California, right, Florida.
Speaker 2: Oh was it Florida? Oh? I thought you said California
Speaker 2: at one time.
Speaker 1: Okay if I did, sorry, it's Florida, Florida, Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So while they're in Florida, Pixie decided to tell Joel
Speaker 1: the devastating truth about the paternity of Down and Shasta,
Speaker 1: the two oldest. Oh man, Yeah, she told him the truth.
Speaker 1: And Joel, who had of course devoted himself to Pixie
Speaker 1: and the children, was devastated. He was furious and heartbroken,
Speaker 1: and he confronted Eddie at it too. He's like, you're
Speaker 1: the fucking father of these two kids. Eddie was not
Speaker 1: about to tolerate anyone challenging his authority or talking back
Speaker 1: to him, and he responded with violence, brutally beating Joel.
Speaker 2: What did he expect that Joel just be like, okay, cool, right,
Speaker 2: of course, that any sane person is going to act
Speaker 2: that way. Well, I act, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like he knows that too, right, But he just demands
Speaker 1: absolute control over everyone in the vicinity, So if anyone
Speaker 1: challenges him on it, of course he's going to get violent.
Speaker 1: He's gotten violent with everyone else in.
Speaker 2: The household, I guess, But I just don't quite understand
Speaker 2: what why he would feel the need to tell him,
Speaker 2: knowing what would happen. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, Eddie didn't tell him. Pixie told him, Oh, sorry.
Speaker 2: Shit, god, I am here. Okay, I'm getting mixed up.
Speaker 1: So Pixie told Joel see and then Joel confronted Eddie
Speaker 1: and then Eddie was like, you know what, fuck you
Speaker 1: and beat him up.
Speaker 2: Damn Okay, okay, that's wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, Despite all of this, though, Joel chose to stay.
Speaker 1: His love for Pixie and the children kept him tied
Speaker 1: to the family. The family was now living in the
Speaker 1: cramped quarters of this travel trailer and the campground, and
Speaker 1: that's where they would stay with Joel. Now soon though,
Speaker 1: baby Skipper began showing signs of being sick shortly after
Speaker 1: arriving there. He developed a cold that lingered and worsened
Speaker 1: over the course of several weeks, leaving him miserable and
Speaker 1: constantly crying. Now remember they are living in a cramped RV,
Speaker 1: right right, and you got a lot of people living
Speaker 1: in this RV as well. Pixie and Joel wanted to
Speaker 1: take Skipper to a doctor, but Eddie forbade it. He
Speaker 1: was terrified that any interaction with any outside authorities would
Speaker 1: expose their location and result in an arrest. I mean,
Speaker 1: he already had warrants out for both him and May
Speaker 1: for skipping court hearings by this point. So as Skipper's
Speaker 1: condition deteriorated, his crying became incessant. Eddie grew increasingly frustrated
Speaker 1: and paranoid that the baby's cries would attract unwanted attention
Speaker 1: to their hiding spot in this campground. His anger escalated
Speaker 1: to threats, warning Pixie that if she didn't silence the baby,
Speaker 1: he would dang. Now the details of what happened next
Speaker 1: are a little bit murky, as multiple accounts have been
Speaker 1: provided by those who were present, but what is clear
Speaker 1: is that Eddie's frustrations with Skipper's crying reached a boiling point, and,
Speaker 1: in a desperate attempt to please her father and silent Skipper,
Speaker 1: Pixie placed her hand over the baby's nose and mouth
Speaker 1: until he stopped crying and breathing. Really, yes, her nine
Speaker 1: month old son.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I thought that it was going to be
Speaker 2: Eddie then did it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't know? Okay?
Speaker 1: Shit now. Initially, Pixie and Eddie both claimed that Skipper
Speaker 1: had died in his sleep from sudden infantel syndrome or SITS.
Speaker 1: Joel was unaware of what had actually happened because I'm
Speaker 1: assuming he wasn't there when it occurred, right, but was devastated,
Speaker 1: like absolutely devastated, and he wanted to take Skipper's body
Speaker 1: to the police station to arrange for him to be
Speaker 1: transported back to Ohio for a proper burial. Man Eddie, however,
Speaker 1: refused to allow it to happen, and tensions were now
Speaker 1: at an all time high. Joe insisted on taking Skipper's
Speaker 1: body in and his persistent demands began to terrify Eddie,
Speaker 1: who realized Joel knew way too many things of the
Speaker 1: family secrets. At this point, no, Eddie became convinced that
Speaker 1: Joel's heartbreak and growing anger would ultimately lead him to
Speaker 1: go to the police, and he saw Joel nothing as
Speaker 1: Joel as nothing more than a liability.
Speaker 2: Uh oh okay, I'm fricking terrified. But I also just
Speaker 2: have to say that, poor baby, it was probably so
Speaker 2: simple what it needed, probably right. Yeah, like that is
Speaker 2: just that is just disgusting.
Speaker 1: I know, it's beyond fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, initially Eddie planned to solve this situation by stealing
Speaker 1: another baby and replace Skipper to shut Joel up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but his plan to go steal another infant didn't work out,
Speaker 1: so Eddie went to plan B, which was killed Joel.
Speaker 2: Hmm okay, yeah, that's what I kind of had in
Speaker 2: mind there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And Eddie, of course, being the coward that he was,
Speaker 1: turned to his sons once again to do the dirty work.
Speaker 1: His son, Willie, who was known as to not have
Speaker 1: a very high IQ, was especially vulnerable to Eddie's manipulation.
Speaker 1: Eddie of course exploited this, convincing Willie to lure Joel
Speaker 1: into the woods under the guise of going for a
Speaker 1: walk and then kill him. So Willie invited Joel to
Speaker 1: go take a stroll in the woods. Joel, unaware of
Speaker 1: what was going to happen, just you know, sure, let's go,
Speaker 1: he agreed, and once they were deep in the forest,
Speaker 1: Willie attacked Joel from behind with a rope, intending to
Speaker 1: strangle him. So he wrapped the rope around his neck
Speaker 1: and he began to strangle Joel. Now, according to another
Speaker 1: one of Eddie's sons, Charles, who witnessed the attack, Willie
Speaker 1: was crying the entire time he was choking Joel. He
Speaker 1: didn't want to kill him, but he felt powerless to
Speaker 1: defy his father, and as Willy struggled to carry out
Speaker 1: this grim task, reportedly, Eddie even stood nearby with a
Speaker 1: gun pointed towards Willy's head, yelling finish the job.
Speaker 2: Oh man, So he's just now like he's making his
Speaker 2: his kids murderers.
Speaker 1: Yes, either you kill or you be killed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that, you have no choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Joel ultimately succumbed the assault and died there in
Speaker 1: the woods. Following the murder, Eddie ordered his sons to
Speaker 1: bury Joel's body, just as they had buried Skippers weeks earlier.
Speaker 1: So now after months of evading capture, Eddie's downfall began
Speaker 1: when one of the brothers contacted authorities. The brother revealed
Speaker 1: that Eddie sorry, yeah, one of Eddie's brothers. Oh, got
Speaker 1: to clarify that one, not one of the brothers, one
Speaker 1: of Eddie's brothers.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the brother revealed that Eddie had recently visited and
Speaker 1: used his phone to make two long distant phone calls.
Speaker 1: Investigators traced the numbers, one of which led them to
Speaker 1: Little Manatee River State Park in Florida, where the family
Speaker 1: was now staying. So after some intense surveillance on the
Speaker 1: property and waiting for the right moment, on January four, fourteenth,
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four, authorities arrested Eddie and may Sexton in
Speaker 1: the parking lot of the wind Dixie grocery store, ending
Speaker 1: a fourteen month long manhunt.
Speaker 2: Dang, okay, fourteen months they got away with that, hey.
Speaker 1: Fourteen mother fucking months.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well keep them in jail this time, please, no
Speaker 2: like bails or nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that that would be the case. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: not bailing. There's no bonds, no bails, no nothing this time.
Speaker 2: Okay. When you were like, well, I was gonna slap you.
Speaker 1: I'm just the bearer of the news here, I'm just
Speaker 1: telling a story. Well, when questioned, Charles Sexton broke his
Speaker 1: silence because of course, the entire family is now being
Speaker 1: interrogated and questioned, right, and Charles revealed the horrifying details
Speaker 1: of what actually transpired. He confessed to authorities about the
Speaker 1: death of both Joel and Skipper, and he led investigators
Speaker 1: to their burial sites. The body of Joel and Skipper
Speaker 1: were recovered and returned to Ohio, where Joel's grieving family
Speaker 1: could finally provide them with a proper burial. Now, in
Speaker 1: a heart wrenching decision, Joe's family chose to bury Skipper
Speaker 1: and Joel together in the same casket. A paternity test
Speaker 1: confirmed that Eddie was a biological father of Pixie's first
Speaker 1: two children, Don and Shasta. However, Joel's family opted against
Speaker 1: testing Skipper, choosing instead to honors Joel role Joe's role
Speaker 1: as a boy's father. Regardless of what the blood test revealed,
Speaker 1: Joel loved and cared for him in a way that
Speaker 1: Eddie never could, and in their eyes, just Joel deserved
Speaker 1: that title more than anyone else.
Speaker 2: Oh dang that breaks your fucking heart.
Speaker 1: So they never got the test done because no matter
Speaker 1: what it said, Skipper was Joel's son.
Speaker 2: Dang, that is like actually like just so nice day. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what a way to honor someone, right.
Speaker 1: Now, Eddie May and several other family members went to trial. Charles,
Speaker 1: who had cooperated with authorities and helped locate the bodies,
Speaker 1: was granted immunity and avoided charges. Other members of the family,
Speaker 1: finally feeling safe from Eddie's control, would actually even testify
Speaker 1: against him in court. So in November of nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 1: Eddie was sentenced in court to death for his role
Speaker 1: in the murders. He was sent to Florida Union Correctional Institution.
Speaker 1: Before the trial, a psychiatrist evaluated Eddie and diagnosed him
Speaker 1: as a sadistic sexual psychopath. Eddie appealed his sentence and
Speaker 1: was granted a retrial, but the second trial also ended
Speaker 1: in the death penalty.
Speaker 2: What a waste of time and stuff.
Speaker 1: I know. And for May Sexton. Although not charged with
Speaker 1: the murders, May faced eight counts related to the physical
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse of her children, including complicity to rape.
Speaker 1: She was sentenced to life in prison and served her
Speaker 1: time in Ohio Reform for women before she died of
Speaker 1: natural causes. In twenty seventeen at the age of seventy,
Speaker 1: Pixie Sexton pleaded guilty to manslaughter in death of her
Speaker 1: son Skipper. Reports vary, but she was sentenced between sentenced
Speaker 1: to between six and twelve years in prison.
Speaker 2: Oh. Man, that's kind of sad. That one is hard.
Speaker 2: That's hard. It is because she did do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And finally Willie Sexton, Willie was the one who
Speaker 1: strangled Joel under Eddie's orders. He was sentenced to twenty
Speaker 1: five years in prison. He was released in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. Seven. During his own incarceration, Willie reportedly came
Speaker 1: to understand the extent of Eddie's control over him and
Speaker 1: expressed remorse for what he had done.
Speaker 2: Well, because that one, it's literally described though, that he
Speaker 2: had a gun pointed at him, right, Yeah, So for
Speaker 2: some ticket, twenty five years seems I know.
Speaker 1: That's that's tough. And maybe there's things that came up
Speaker 1: in court that we don't know about because a lot
Speaker 1: of times, like there's a lot of private information and
Speaker 1: stuff that happens in court that does not get released
Speaker 1: to public. So maybe there's some things in there that
Speaker 1: we don't know about. Who knows. Maybe the thing about
Speaker 1: Eddie holding the gun up to his head is hearsay.
Speaker 1: Maybe that didn't actually happen. Maybe he just followed his
Speaker 1: father's orders and that's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean that's the same too with Pixie, Like,
Speaker 2: who knows, Eddie could have been right right there, like yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, telling her to do it and stuff too,
Speaker 2: right exactly.
Speaker 1: But also on the other hand, it could have been
Speaker 1: even worse. I mean, maybe Eddie had a gun right
Speaker 1: up to Willie's temple too. It's so hard to know,
Speaker 1: and what happened in court again, so many things are
Speaker 1: confidential information that will will never really ever be released.
Speaker 2: And there's still i mean, this isn't that long ago
Speaker 2: like this, there's still family members. Oh you know a lie,
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, yes, that is just so tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Pixie, Willie, I'm pretty sure most of, if
Speaker 1: not all, the children are still alive.
Speaker 2: Well, and then the grandchildren or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call them exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean, if anyone has passed away, it's certainly not
Speaker 1: of old age. It would have been you know, accidents
Speaker 1: or disease or anything like that. But by all accounts,
Speaker 1: they should be still alive.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that is the story of the Sexton family
Speaker 1: cults and the monster that is Eddie Lee Sexton.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I'm just shaking my head here. I just it
Speaker 2: is unfathomable to that a person, that someone could be
Speaker 2: like Eddie. Yeah, it's just so it's so hard to understand.
Speaker 1: That people like that exist. Yeah, that people like that
Speaker 1: could could actually do those things and not even do them,
Speaker 1: but do them again and again and again, knowing they're
Speaker 1: wrong because you're trying to hide it from authorities and
Speaker 1: continue to do it, and like.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck, like the shit that he got away with.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's hard to believe. But it also
Speaker 2: like it makes sense that he got away with so
Speaker 2: much too, just you know, the way he.
Speaker 1: Was because of controlling his family like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like DHS had visited
Speaker 1: their home a few times, there was investigations. He just
Speaker 1: managed to like, you know, like win them over because
Speaker 1: in the first episode, if you remember, like DHS visited
Speaker 1: and he basically started off by showing like his his
Speaker 1: his religious credentials, being like you know, I'm ordained, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just a father who's just so overwhelmed with a
Speaker 1: large family.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: And here it's like, no, you're an abusive piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. People like that just fascinate me though,
Speaker 2: because I'm like the least smooth person ever, Like I
Speaker 2: could be in that scenario and have done fuck all,
Speaker 2: but I would look guilty as hell.
Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this leading yeah.
Speaker 2: And I just I just I don't know. I wish
Speaker 2: I could have a little bit like of that smoothness,
Speaker 2: not that I would use it in this scenario and
Speaker 2: all or like for for bad badness or anything badness.
Speaker 1: Your smoothness is showing, Nicole.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I just it's just mind bowing
Speaker 2: to me that people can be like that, that they
Speaker 2: can hide and that oh I just can't even it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's unreal. And I would like even like a
Speaker 2: percentage of just that smoothness to live my life. Is
Speaker 2: that too much to ask?
Speaker 1: Get done?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, Well that was a rant from Nicole today.
Speaker 1: She wants a little bit of smoothness. So we're not
Speaker 1: getting chunky peanut butter for a while. We're just getting
Speaker 1: straight smooth.
Speaker 2: That's what she wants.
Speaker 1: You want some smooth, there's.
Speaker 2: Some smooth totella. Let's do Nilla, that's smooth. I almost
Speaker 2: showed you this video chocolate milk of Natilla today, Like oh,
Speaker 2: it made me want to tell this so bad. It
Speaker 2: was just like a brand new thing in Natilla and
Speaker 2: they put this like this spatula thing in there and
Speaker 2: like turned it and it just was like it just
Speaker 2: made the netilla look so good.
Speaker 1: Just like nantella ASMR basically nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I almost showed you, but then I knew it
Speaker 2: would be like you would have to go get some.
Speaker 1: I have a weakness for nutella like I do chocolate milk,
Speaker 1: though it is nowhere near my weakness for chocolate milk,
Speaker 1: it is akin to that weakness.
Speaker 2: We don't have it much at all, No, I can't.
Speaker 2: We've hadn't had it for years probably no.
Speaker 1: But like I can get sick of Natella, I can't
Speaker 1: get sick of chocolate milk, but I have the same
Speaker 1: like craving for it.
Speaker 2: Actually that's a lie, because I bought a little thing
Speaker 2: of it within probably the last six months, and I
Speaker 2: was gonna maybe a year, I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: was gonna have some on toasts and stuff, but and
Speaker 2: you freaking just ate it all. I got none.
Speaker 1: It was delicious. I don't remember this, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was delicious. Sounds like me, it does. It was
Speaker 1: probably delicious anyway, Okay, okay, we're gonna go probably see
Speaker 1: if we can find Natella on Skip the Dishes or
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Speaker 1: up up to this point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yes, So if you ever feel like you
Speaker 2: need more of us, hit us up on Papier.
Speaker 1: That's your way, exactly. Although we do have like well,
Speaker 1: I think we're up to two hundred and thirty over
Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty episodes at this point, just regular show.
Speaker 1: So ding dang, ding dang.
Speaker 2: It's impressive indeed. Well yeah, honestly, but we can't. Like
Speaker 2: we've said, we couldn't have done it with any without
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 1: Think we couldn't, We couldn't. It's us and it's you,
Speaker 1: and you guys are what make this show. We just
Speaker 1: we just put it out. We're independent. We have no
Speaker 1: one who owns this but us. We do it because, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys support us. You mean the world. So thank
Speaker 1: you very much. You sure do well.
Speaker 2: So until next episode when Ben is probably going to
Speaker 2: be doing it again, when I will.
Speaker 1: Be doing it again.
Speaker 2: Until then, stay wicked,