Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Eiko's I Am Dana Valley coming
at you with the one, the only, this certified, fantabulous
mister Grant Hugh's Welcome to another hardwoo knocks NBA trade
deadline primer. We are on to those pesky Minnesota Timberwolves.
Before we get started, though, Grant, and how the heck are.
Speaker 2: You man whose narrative shifts faster than the Wolves? Like
just you go in two weeks stretches and it's like
everyone's doing the Sleeper Contender and now it's like, oh,
this guy's falling again. And we've definitely had more than
one of those this year. So I'm excited to What
we're gonna do here today is one decide once and
for all how good the Wolves are, and then to
talk about the trade deadline.
Speaker 1: We're gonna decide the Wolves's entire fate right here within
the next few minutes. Would you care to take us
through their trade deadline vitals?
Speaker 2: Sure, they are three point six million dollars below the
second apron. They'll project to be twenty four million below
the second apron this summer. Of that is with ten
players roster, they have no first round picks to trade.
That's relevant when we're discussing a trade deadline. They can
trade a swap in twenty twenty eight. Their twenty thirty
two first rounder is frozen. They have seven available second
rounders to move. The only notable trade exception they have
is from the Nikhil Alexander Walker deal. That's worth seven
point seven million that expires July sixth, So that is available. Now, Dan,
let's spend the next twenty to thirty minutes talking about
how they should not have let Alexander Walker get away
and he would solve all of the problems the Wolves
have go.
Speaker 1: Do you think this was not I was not playing
to talk about this, but do you actually think that
they should have kept him over Nazri or are you
of the mind no, you should have kept both and
just dealt with it.
Speaker 2: I would prefer both, But I just I Alexander Walker
is one of my favorite non star players in the league,
and I just I mean, I'm sure I didn't have
this strong of an opinion at the time, but the
way that he's played now for Atlanta, it's just like
what else could you ask for? We're gonna go through
like what the Wolf might need, and like he kind
of covers a ton of it. If who's to say
if he would have played like this if he were
in Minnesota. Again, probably not, just because he wouldn't have
had the agency to do it. But man, he's been
so good and I just when I think about Minnesota,
I just it feels like a real missed opportunity. Hindsight's
twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Though, Speaking of hindsight, when we're trying to get into
what type of trade assets do they have? What is
Rob Dillingham's trade value? And what should the Wolves be doing?
Because I think we both agree that Rob dealing he's
talking about they don't have any first round picks to trade.
I don't think anyone's giving you a first round pick
for Rob Dillingham, who's less than two years removed for
being drafted eighth overall. If you're the Wolves, how are
you approaching?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: Well, now he's at his an id or so selling
low is almost a non starter because what is like
or because we might as well just ride this out
a little bit longer and see if something changes, or
you kind of at the point where, well, this might
only get worse because we don't know what type of
opportunity he's going to have moving forward if our plan
is to play in these high leverage games every spring.
We're talking about team that just went to two straight
conference finals and and could feasibly make another conference finals again.
They are they have that ceiling for as inconsistent as
they are.
Speaker 2: I mean, so let's let's try to approach it this way.
I know my answer. But do you think that Rob Dillingham,
who makes six just six point six will round it
this year? Is that worth more than the six point
six million give or take that, like Usman Jang is
on the books for or just like choose your random
six to seven million dollar player is Rob Dillingham. Does
the name and the draft pedigree still count for enough
such that, like it's not just that chunk of money
that he represents as a trade asset.
Speaker 1: And I no, I think.
Speaker 2: It has to. I think he has to count for
a little more than that. Yeahause, but the draft pedigree,
all that stuff, like he he he hasn't done anything
close to what they hoped he would do. I assume,
unless because they didn't plan for this whatever whatever you
thought about that trade to get him on Draft night.
A couple of years ago him playing behind me. Yeah,
he's gonna start soon, Like that's that's that, that was
the thought. Like even if that was overblown, there's no
scenario where they thought, you know, Rick around like year four,
probably we're gonna get something from him, like that wasn't
in the cards. But still I think I think he
has to be worth a little. I don't know what
that equates to. Is he actually worth like a he's
not a but he's not a He's not worth a
first like no one's first, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think, Because what I struggle with is the teams that
are gonna be interested in him are teams that I
assume are rebuilding and not on the verge of competing,
and so you're not getting a first from them. But
what I then struggle with is, let's use a team
like the Nets as an example. Should they have an
interest in Rob Dillingham based off the personnel that's on
their roster?
Speaker 2: I mean the knee your cancer is no, because they
drafted a bunch of guards. But also Dillingham is like
the quintessential second draft guy, right like he just he's
overtaken Jade and Ivy or whoever else you want to
throw in there as like just get him on another team.
It's it's worth a crack. And I don't think the
nets are good enough to where they can just turn
that down. But positionally, yeah, it's like you would just
have it would be like an extreme case of like
best player available, thinking like we don't care about the fit,
it's just an asset that we're interested in. But Brooklyn's
a tough ex like Washington you could say, or Utah.
Like all these teams coincidentally have guards, right that makes
it hard? Uh? Yeah, I don't know. I don't I
don't see the ideal young team that's also willing to
give up a pick or something, you know, to get him.
That doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Then from Minnesota's end of the perspective, let's use these
is to how these players are. They're not similar, but
they're probably on the same tier as the Timberwolves, and
we'll get into their needs and other targets in a second.
Would you trade Rob Dillingcam and there's other moving parts involved,
of course, would you trade Rob Dillingham for Iodusumo expiring contract?
You would?
Speaker 2: I think?
Speaker 1: Would you trade would you trade him for Cam Spencer?
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I think so because I'm trying to win
right now, I'm really good right now. The less handful
of game is notwithstanding, like I think you have to
go and that's more than an incremental like improvement in
the rotation, right if you get Cam Spencer or iod
assuming because Dillingham just like isn't valuable, Like he's not
I've got to pull his numbers up, but like he's
just I think it's a consistent factor it and it
becomes it looks even worse when Mike Conley's not Mike
Conley and when Bones Highland kind of falls off the
good vibes train that he was on for a while,
and that's when it becomes more pronounced.
Speaker 1: I just don't I would have. I don't the players
we just named, certainly Cam Spencer, who's cost control for
forever at this point. But it's just interesting to think,
look at what you gave up to get him, and
if the pay off is I would assume who when
you look at the way the Bulls are built, If
Kobe White is there, Josh Gidty's like, are the Timberwolves
are the team that probably sending seconds out in that
deeal If something is happening with Chicago.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, that gets back to the original question of like,
does Dillingham have some kind of surplus value just because
of the draft slot and the fact that, like you could,
at least if you're another team, talk yourself into some
version of, well, the Wolves are really good, and it's
just unreasonable to expect what was he a teenager, his
rookie like that guy to crack the rotation. It's more
situation than like player talent. But yeah, like it's not
crazy to say the Wolves might actually have to Suiteen
that it's hard for me to get all the way
there though, that that would have to be the case.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about what they need before getting into targets.
I think, based off the names that we've thrown around,
were probably both in agreement that it feels as if
they could use another on ball just decision maker and
not necessarily Yeah, someone who could score off the dribble,
but like they have Julius Randall, Jane McDaniels has made
strides there, but more so someone who can run the
offense make life easier on and Edwards helped the minutes
without him, obviously, I think that's there. I think you
could also make a case that they could they need
the player that they thought that they lost in Nikile
Alexander Walker than the player that they thought that Terren
Shannon Junior might be this season, and for whatever reason,
he's not played well and he's also been injured a
bunch that feels like another need that they could pinpoint.
Probably harder at Phil though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's funny. Uh, we we've usually are
like I'd kind of like to see him get a
wing that could defend and make threas. It's like that
doesn't rate too highly on their list, which is unusual. Yeah,
I think you're right to specify a playmaker as opposed
to just it's got to be a guard. Like it's
tempting this. It was easy for a long time to
say just a point guard. Calmley's aged out, Dylan am
hasn't figured it out, Steven Schanzo's not really a point guard.
We don't want Ant taking up point guard reps. Think
of all those things, the one that has aged the
worst is like the idea that Ant can't be an
every down quarterback type of thing. Like I'm actually okay
with that. I would love like some help, but it
can come at whatever position you want. It doesn't have
to be another six foot two, six foot three player.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of why someone like Cam Spencer or
Ioh or even they've been linked to Kobe White, which
would be that'd be I don't know how they get there,
but that'd be super interesting. That's why those guys work,
because it's you don't want them being a primary or
maybe even your second best playmaker, but just because Anthony
Edwards exists, it can be that engine. Like it lowers
the bar for what you need out of if you're
filling that ball handler spot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think having said all that, realistically, it
probably is going to have to be like a one
or a two just because once you start at once
you start saying, well, he's a big wing that can
make plays, like, well, we're just out of the wolves
price range now, because like those guys are, you know,
that's just that's a player type that just costs too
much and the teams don't want to trade in the
first place. So yeah, it circles all the way back
to they need a guard, I guess, or they'll have
to get the playmaking from a guard, and they again
like we said, can trade one first round swap and
they have some seconds and I don't know who the
outgoing salary is going to be that really counts for
something other than Dillingham.
Speaker 1: I guess it's Dillingham. And then if you depending on
how much you're trying to bring back, it's Mike Conley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't have any value though I don't
think right like, I just who's who's viewing him as something? Value?
Speaker 1: Is the expiring contract?
Speaker 2: I think, So you're taking back someone that makes ten
or eleven, I guess gotta be less than ten ten
or less and goes.
Speaker 1: I guess if you if it's Mike Conley, and you know,
if it's Mike Conley and Rob Dillingham, you could take
back more or Mike Conley. And are they willing to
move off of Terren Shannon Junior at this point, depending
on who's coming back, would there be a team that
might be interested in I'm sure there be a few
teams I'd be interested in Terrence Shannon Junior.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's only adding like he's adding less
than three million to the pot. But maybe he is
someone that, like on the court, would have more value
he probably does have more value than either of those guys. Yeah,
that's tough, man. I wonder who the team is that values.
That's the other thing is Commley, relatively speaking, does not
make like a lot. So like, you're not getting this
massive salary relief in ten million in expire ten point
seven just to be exact in expiring money trying to
think it's hard. I mean, what's Kobe White make twelve?
But he's expiring anyway, so you're not.
Speaker 1: And that's like, so are you paying? I guess as
the Wolves you have to, but I'd be curious to
see how he's integrated alongside both at Julius Randall and
Anthony Edwards lineup type. And then also though are you
is he closing for the Wolves? Because that's the other
thing here is if you have to give up at
in the Wolves's case, it doesn't seem like much, but
if it's costing you Dillingham, your swap if you're is
Terren Shannon Junior there, like you preferably want someone who
might have a chance to close for you, right, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he would have a chance. You just maybe Devincenzo's
having an off night. I still think you probably value.
Devincenzo's kind of not the greatest on ball defender, but
like he can, he's a good off ball disruptor, and
White it just is not that valuable on that end.
So you could see that's the spot. You could see
him closing occasionally over Devincenzo, but probably not like more
often than not. That's still going to be de Vincenzo.
I feel pretty confident saying, so, yeah, you're right, but
they don't. They don't have a lot to move, So
it's I don't know if it's totally fair to say
it's got to be someone that's gonna close for them.
I think they would benefit from like a seventh guy.
Maybe maybe that's overstating it, but yeah, something in that range.
Speaker 1: Would you trade, Oh, go ahead, I was gonna just.
Speaker 2: Better than Dillingham or Conley. That's the bar, Just just
better than those guys.
Speaker 1: Would you trade You're not gonna get much playmaking out
of this, but would you trade Dillingham for cam Thomas?
And the nets are sending you seconds in that to wow.
Speaker 2: Just hope you catch hope he gets healthy and you
just catch a heater. A couple of different playoff games.
Speaker 1: That's interesting I haven't fleshed this out either, so I
think camp Thomas probably makes a little bit. Does he
make more than Dillingham or what was his QO for?
Because the Wolves can't take back more money, but you
could fit it's easy to figure out. I mean he's
at five, he's at six, so Rob Dillingham should make
more than that, doesn't he?
Speaker 2: What is he on the Dillingham makes six and a half?
So yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I just saved the Wolves money and got them second
round picks. I'm sure that was the plan when they
when they got Rob Dillingham in the first place.
Speaker 2: I mean, Thomas is someone that like the Nets. Just
he's got no future there. It seems pretty clear, so
then they should be willing to It's funny we come
all the way back to the Nets after saying like
that's a weird fit because they have a million guards
to send Dillingham there, but cam Thomas is just not
going to be part of that team. I don't think,
so why not would you?
Speaker 1: This is now we don't we need to know how
healthy is gonna be. But maybe that's part of the
peel for the Wolves because his value would be high
or otherwise would you move Dillingham for Scotti Pippens Jr.
Speaker 2: Man Yeah, the health question. I kind of like that
for the Wolves. Actually, I think Pippen's just a way
better of course, he's like a way better player. He's underside. Yeah,
I think I I think he would. I don't know
if he's closing, but he at least well again with
the de Vincenzo spot, like he might. You might just
really care about that facilitation, and maybe you care about
the defense too. I could see that trying to think
like it's funny. It is just gonna be guards. That's
just that's just what it's got to be. It'd be
nice if like there's all these undesirable like guard scorers
that and ball handlers that other teams would want to move,
but they're all like making three X you know, the
Pools and de Jontay Murs and all this other stuff.
It's just like that type of player would actually matter here.
But it's like it's it's just a non starter because
of the money and the deal's going past this year too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know, there's not even like a
if you're looking at a fifteen million dollar range by
stacking Conley and Dillingham together. Is it like the Pacers?
He's not in this range You actually only need Mike Conley.
But are the Pacers looking to get out of TJ.
McConnell's money. Could you attach enough there to make that interesting? Probably?
Speaker 2: Probably not. They probably want him back like Phoenix isn't
gonna give you. No, they're not.
Speaker 1: You're not getting Jordan Goodwin or Colin Gillespie.
Speaker 2: That's your No. Yeah, it's that's tough. I'm trying. There's
got to be we haven't. We haven't been on a like, ooh,
what about this guy yet?
Speaker 1: They could get to I don't know. This isn't like
they could get to Dennis Shrewder's money. If it's Conley
and Dillingham, and then are you getting second? Is it
Conley and Dillingham for Shrewder and Kean ellis as the framework?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a huge win for UH for Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Right, you've decided, So you've just decided that key on
Allison debt is worth the equity. I'm just curious how
the equity they have invested, the pick equity and Rob
Dillingham impacts how they view him. Because it's easy just
to say, you have to look at him as a
sunk cost to some extent, but you gave up control
of your like two out years first rounders to get him.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Calves would just want to I
mean they can at the end of the season because
he's got a team option for next year. But just
the Lonzo ball thing has not worked, and the Wolves
just take a total flyer on someone who's looked horrible
all year. It's like, well, there's your there's your secondary
playmaker guy. But are you like, I don't know why
Cleveland wants anything to do with Conley or Dillingham unless
Darius Garland has also been traded, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I prefer I think I'd prefer to
stick with Conley or Dillingham in that case. Yeah, what
about well, I mean, this is we're veering away into
a different position. He would have to approve the trade.
But does Nick Patoomb do anything for you for this team?
Speaker 2: Hmm? Maybe I mean just as a depth piece, and yeah,
we are getting off of the guard and playmaking side
of it. I'm not sure. I think between McDaniels and
Nas and Randall, I don't know how many minutes you've
got at the four, which is like the only position
he can play.
Speaker 1: Ooh, you know it would be man, It would just
take too much to get to his money here. But
so we have Comedy's at ten point eight, Dillingham's at
six point six. So what does that get you? You're
in seventeen plus million range, another smaller contract and then
something for Colin Sexton.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting now that one. I could see that
because because you're not committing to long term money if
you're the Wolves. He I don't know if he's closing.
The closing threshold is just really tough to clear on
a team that's this good. But you could imagine him
playing a major role though, Like he's just he would
take all of Conley's minutes, all of Dillingham's minutes, probably
some of Shannon's minutes. Yeah, that's interesting. Now does what
Charlotte's incentive is we get just get a look at
at he's a man. Yeah, he's comly can just come
be an adult. We like that, you know that kind
of he can hang around for a little while and
just be good.
Speaker 1: Concept has been really good for them, So you do
have to weigh that.
Speaker 2: But he's not gonna He's not a piece. They're gonna
he's not anything close to like a corbational piece.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about it would be kind of a similar structure,
but I don't know if they would need to include more.
And but he's just not had the best year. Do
you take the flyer on Karros Lavert using similar frame
work and maybe Detroit says, hey, like, Ivy's out of
here after this year, probably, so we just have a
Dillingham in his place? What about? Uh?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's been terrible, So I don't know if
Minnesota wants anything to do with this, but he's a
hometown guy, Tias Jones. Did you you could bring him
back for for Dillingham? And like you're half a million
short of that money, And from Orlando's perspective, it's just like, yeah,
we'll take We'll just throw this guy at the end
of the bench and maybe he turns into something.
Speaker 1: Well I think at that point, could it be something
like if would Brooklyn give you just seconds for Dillingham?
You send like, because Rolando wants to get out of
the tax, maybe they would just give up Tias Jones
to Minnesota if it gets them out of the tax.
So maybe you take back like a tiny bit of
money there. That'd be interesting. It's we are at what point, though,
do we stop playing the Tias Jones card to where
it's look what happened in Phoenix this year justapos against you.
Speaker 2: Should have stopped a long time ago, pretty clearly. I
don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If they could get him. I think it's more realistic
if the if the Grizzlies do trade John Morant, because
but they do also have Scotti Pippen there. I mean,
Scotty Pippen would be my favorite target, but they updated
us in the middle of January. Think he's gonna be
out another four to six weeks or reevaluated, And that's
just I mean, you're not getting anything out of doing
him right now, but just to if we don't know
Scotty Pippen, that'd be my favorite name. But my other
favorite name, Cam Spencer, makes so much sense for this
team just for shooting the ball, handling. He has like
some like defensive grit to him. That would be my
favorite trade target. That's not It's sort of like, is
he Devincenzo with better passing? Almost is really like what
you're in and then has that become duplicative at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little bit. I think I'm just trying
to think like he does. He does make a lot
of sense actually, and you get like a premium, premium
shooting maybe probably better, maybe not as versatile as Devin Maybe,
I don't know. Can't I like Cam Spencer a.
Speaker 1: Lot bang for the buck though he signed what he
signed four years ten million a round.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, year one of that. I mean that might
be the reason that they'll Grizzlies are just never going
to trade him, because that's that's such a heist of
a deal. I would give.
Speaker 1: This is I think Wolfsands will disagree, but I would give.
I would throw my swap in there with dealing Ham
for Spencer Spencer. Yeah, now you're looking at oh, we've
turned two first round swaps in a first round pick
into But you can't look at it that way either.
I understand saying we can't just ship out dealing Ham
for nothing, but you can't look at it like through
that lens either, like, wow, that's so dumb.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Davion Mitchell? He would cost
you calmly and then another minimum salary to get to
the money, shooting forty percent from three, I think he
might just be too valuable to the Heat.
Speaker 1: Well, if they're just looking for to pivot or if
they want off of money this year, maybe that's something
they look at.
Speaker 2: He's just a shooting point four next year.
Speaker 1: Does his shooting translate to Minnesota because he's just turned
into a shooter in Miami for something.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is is you've got to really believe
that the shooting strictly in Miami, because he was almost
forty five percent after he came over last year and
this season is real. And he's not the guy that
just like you can go way under on every pick
and roll. He's that's the thing. He's such a different player.
He he almost like Anthony Edwards is way better as
a playmaker than Mitchell. But you get the defense, that's
I mean, that's adding to a strength already in Minnesota.
Maybe he's good enough as a second side guy, and
especially if he's gonna shoot, If he's gonna shoot like
this and you get the starter level defense, then then
that's that gets it done. I just I wonder if
Miami would even like pick up the phone if it's
Conley and seconds like, I don't. I don't know. You'd
have to really really want to save money.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would accept the trade to
this team just because his bird rights don't transfer. But
if you could send Dillingham and stuff and it's another
team's involved and we know this team's looking, or would
maybe get look to get out of the tax.
Speaker 2: About Quentin Grimes, when you mentioned kan Thomas, I my
mind jumped to him.
Speaker 1: He's kind of saying at that point that he either
believes that his market, like on the open market, will
just be better than it was in Philly, or he's
resigned to kind of saying I'll get non taxpayer mid
level exception money. If he's okay, I just does he
have a I guess his role would be comparably sized
in Minnesota Devincenzos there is. It's just because they have
Edgecomb and Maxie and injuries in Philly kind of allow
him to log more minutes. So he would be that'd
be a big gamble if he approved.
Speaker 2: It, would I wonder if if though, I think it
would probably be a big gamble because like you said,
he's got a green light this and so he would
have to believe, well, one of two things. One that
Minnesota has a deeper like playoff ceiling, a higher playoff
ceiling than the Sixers do, which that's probably true, but
given the conferences, who knows, Like the Sixers could win
a playoff series and Minnesota could run into a Jugger
not in round two and that would would equal out.
And or two that he's gonna do enough. Yeah, I
don't know if the opportunity is that much greater for
him in Minnesota, just because like he when Paul George
doesn't play well, Grimes plays a little more, and when
Jerry McCain's not in there, he plays a little more.
You know, there's it would be pretty comparable, just guessing
at it.
Speaker 1: Ooh, challenge, well that I don't know why this sister's
a challenger would be dealing ham for McCain so bad
year that'd be I prefer McCain Simon Klotch too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's because we've seen less of McCain and
we don't know yet that he's actually not that good.
Speaker 1: My final kind of name here would be like, so
if you had these three scenarios on the table and
you're the Wolves, and let's just assume you can get
to the money. Would you prefer Collin Sexton, Malik Monk
or that package I outlined from The Kings where it's
Shrewder and Keon Ellis and you know kind of the
framework of who has to go out in all of
those deals they include Dealingham and Mike Conley.
Speaker 2: Is it weird that I like the Ellis Shrewder combo
a little better than the other two. I most of
that because of Ellis.
Speaker 1: And the same here. But then I'm wondering Elis is
going to be a free agent, and so is there
because and so it is Colin Sexton's like Malik Monk
is expensive for the next two years, but is their
value in knowing he's twenty million a pop? But also
that's way more than I thinkke On Ellis gets, so
probably not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in fairness though, like Monk is not
that far removed from being like remember like how his
like clutch playmaking a couple of years ago, and and
just like the shot has been there sometimes like he
he really if we're really going to get down to
and like what do the wolves need? You could make
the case that Monk like provides more of what they
need than any of the other options that you outlined.
It's just like, how sure are you that that it's
Sacramento and not Monk that is the cause of his
you know, falling from that Perchy was on a couple
of years ago. I do think I agree with.
Speaker 1: You that I would prefer the Ellis Shrewder com a
nation first and foremost, though like like, just get Cam
Spencer does everything. Both those guys will do, not the
room pressure. Shuter might give you some of that. You
any other names or anything else. Do you expect this
team to make a move and who's their most likely
player to be traded?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know if I expect them too. Honestly,
I think Dillingham just has to be the default most likely,
just because if they were going to get out of
the Conley business, I think they would have done it
by now. I think maybe he has just a little
too much value locker room wise and personality wise to
be the guy to go. And again I think Dillingham might,
just because of the unknown stuff insofar as that's still there,
have a little more value than Conley does. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the mystery box appeal as a youngster
for sure, yeah, you have anything else? Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Takes it out here. That's going to cover it. Thanks
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