1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,279 Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Eiko's I Am Dana Valley coming 2 00:00:08,279 --> 00:00:11,199 at you with the one, the only, this certified, fantabulous 3 00:00:11,279 --> 00:00:15,080 mister Grant Hugh's Welcome to another hardwoo knocks NBA trade 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,440 deadline primer. We are on to those pesky Minnesota Timberwolves. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,399 Before we get started, though, Grant, and how the heck are. 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: You man whose narrative shifts faster than the Wolves? Like 7 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:27,719 just you go in two weeks stretches and it's like 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,399 everyone's doing the Sleeper Contender and now it's like, oh, 9 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,679 this guy's falling again. And we've definitely had more than 10 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,640 one of those this year. So I'm excited to What 11 00:00:36,679 --> 00:00:40,119 we're gonna do here today is one decide once and 12 00:00:40,119 --> 00:00:41,520 for all how good the Wolves are, and then to 13 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:42,920 talk about the trade deadline. 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,759 Speaker 1: We're gonna decide the Wolves's entire fate right here within 15 00:00:45,799 --> 00:00:48,159 the next few minutes. Would you care to take us 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:49,640 through their trade deadline vitals? 17 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 2: Sure, they are three point six million dollars below the 18 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,159 second apron. They'll project to be twenty four million below 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,119 the second apron this summer. Of that is with ten 20 00:00:59,159 --> 00:01:02,560 players roster, they have no first round picks to trade. 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,879 That's relevant when we're discussing a trade deadline. They can 22 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,560 trade a swap in twenty twenty eight. Their twenty thirty 23 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,719 two first rounder is frozen. They have seven available second 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,040 rounders to move. The only notable trade exception they have 25 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:17,120 is from the Nikhil Alexander Walker deal. That's worth seven 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:22,799 point seven million that expires July sixth, So that is available. Now, Dan, 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,680 let's spend the next twenty to thirty minutes talking about 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,040 how they should not have let Alexander Walker get away 29 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,040 and he would solve all of the problems the Wolves 30 00:01:32,079 --> 00:01:32,920 have go. 31 00:01:33,879 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: Do you think this was not I was not playing 32 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:36,599 to talk about this, but do you actually think that 33 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,760 they should have kept him over Nazri or are you 34 00:01:38,799 --> 00:01:40,719 of the mind no, you should have kept both and 35 00:01:40,879 --> 00:01:41,920 just dealt with it. 36 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,239 Speaker 2: I would prefer both, But I just I Alexander Walker 37 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,680 is one of my favorite non star players in the league, 38 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,959 and I just I mean, I'm sure I didn't have 39 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:52,719 this strong of an opinion at the time, but the 40 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,680 way that he's played now for Atlanta, it's just like 41 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,319 what else could you ask for? We're gonna go through 42 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,439 like what the Wolf might need, and like he kind 43 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,400 of covers a ton of it. If who's to say 44 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,799 if he would have played like this if he were 45 00:02:07,799 --> 00:02:10,479 in Minnesota. Again, probably not, just because he wouldn't have 46 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:12,960 had the agency to do it. But man, he's been 47 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,840 so good and I just when I think about Minnesota, 48 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:19,960 I just it feels like a real missed opportunity. Hindsight's 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:20,840 twenty twenty. 50 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: Though, Speaking of hindsight, when we're trying to get into 51 00:02:24,159 --> 00:02:27,439 what type of trade assets do they have? What is 52 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,439 Rob Dillingham's trade value? And what should the Wolves be doing? 53 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:33,159 Because I think we both agree that Rob dealing he's 54 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:35,039 talking about they don't have any first round picks to trade. 55 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,639 I don't think anyone's giving you a first round pick 56 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,599 for Rob Dillingham, who's less than two years removed for 57 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:43,319 being drafted eighth overall. If you're the Wolves, how are 58 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:44,120 you approaching? 59 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: Is it? 60 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Well, now he's at his an id or so selling 61 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,759 low is almost a non starter because what is like 62 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,719 or because we might as well just ride this out 63 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:54,520 a little bit longer and see if something changes, or 64 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,520 you kind of at the point where, well, this might 65 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,400 only get worse because we don't know what type of 66 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,639 opportunity he's going to have moving forward if our plan 67 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:03,719 is to play in these high leverage games every spring. 68 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,439 We're talking about team that just went to two straight 69 00:03:05,479 --> 00:03:09,280 conference finals and and could feasibly make another conference finals again. 70 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,039 They are they have that ceiling for as inconsistent as 71 00:03:12,039 --> 00:03:12,360 they are. 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, so let's let's try to approach it this way. 73 00:03:16,199 --> 00:03:19,439 I know my answer. But do you think that Rob Dillingham, 74 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:22,400 who makes six just six point six will round it 75 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,960 this year? Is that worth more than the six point 76 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,199 six million give or take that, like Usman Jang is 77 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,199 on the books for or just like choose your random 78 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,280 six to seven million dollar player is Rob Dillingham. Does 79 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,960 the name and the draft pedigree still count for enough 80 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,319 such that, like it's not just that chunk of money 81 00:03:44,599 --> 00:03:46,319 that he represents as a trade asset. 82 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: And I no, I think. 83 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:52,639 Speaker 2: It has to. I think he has to count for 84 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:58,599 a little more than that. Yeahause, but the draft pedigree, 85 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:03,000 all that stuff, like he he he hasn't done anything 86 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:05,039 close to what they hoped he would do. I assume, 87 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,759 unless because they didn't plan for this whatever whatever you 88 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 thought about that trade to get him on Draft night. 89 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:15,680 A couple of years ago him playing behind me. Yeah, 90 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:18,279 he's gonna start soon, Like that's that's that, that was 91 00:04:18,319 --> 00:04:21,399 the thought. Like even if that was overblown, there's no 92 00:04:21,439 --> 00:04:24,160 scenario where they thought, you know, Rick around like year four, 93 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:26,920 probably we're gonna get something from him, like that wasn't 94 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:28,720 in the cards. But still I think I think he 95 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,360 has to be worth a little. I don't know what 96 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,759 that equates to. Is he actually worth like a he's 97 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,399 not a but he's not a He's not worth a 98 00:04:35,439 --> 00:04:37,480 first like no one's first, I don't. 99 00:04:37,439 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Think, Because what I struggle with is the teams that 100 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:41,959 are gonna be interested in him are teams that I 101 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,839 assume are rebuilding and not on the verge of competing, 102 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:46,600 and so you're not getting a first from them. But 103 00:04:46,759 --> 00:04:49,959 what I then struggle with is, let's use a team 104 00:04:50,079 --> 00:04:53,759 like the Nets as an example. Should they have an 105 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,480 interest in Rob Dillingham based off the personnel that's on 106 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:57,079 their roster? 107 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,199 Speaker 2: I mean the knee your cancer is no, because they 108 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,120 drafted a bunch of guards. But also Dillingham is like 109 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:09,600 the quintessential second draft guy, right like he just he's 110 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,800 overtaken Jade and Ivy or whoever else you want to 111 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,120 throw in there as like just get him on another team. 112 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,319 It's it's worth a crack. And I don't think the 113 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:19,120 nets are good enough to where they can just turn 114 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,920 that down. But positionally, yeah, it's like you would just 115 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,319 have it would be like an extreme case of like 116 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:28,079 best player available, thinking like we don't care about the fit, 117 00:05:28,319 --> 00:05:31,040 it's just an asset that we're interested in. But Brooklyn's 118 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,639 a tough ex like Washington you could say, or Utah. 119 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,279 Like all these teams coincidentally have guards, right that makes 120 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:40,639 it hard? Uh? Yeah, I don't know. I don't I 121 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,560 don't see the ideal young team that's also willing to 122 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:47,959 give up a pick or something, you know, to get him. 123 00:05:48,079 --> 00:05:49,160 That doesn't exist. 124 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,519 Speaker 1: Then from Minnesota's end of the perspective, let's use these 125 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,319 is to how these players are. They're not similar, but 126 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:57,399 they're probably on the same tier as the Timberwolves, and 127 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,519 we'll get into their needs and other targets in a second. 128 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,519 Would you trade Rob Dillingcam and there's other moving parts involved, 129 00:06:03,519 --> 00:06:07,759 of course, would you trade Rob Dillingham for Iodusumo expiring contract? 130 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:08,319 You would? 131 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: I think? 132 00:06:09,079 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: Would you trade would you trade him for Cam Spencer? 133 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I think so because I'm trying to win 134 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,879 right now, I'm really good right now. The less handful 135 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,839 of game is notwithstanding, like I think you have to 136 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:25,399 go and that's more than an incremental like improvement in 137 00:06:25,439 --> 00:06:27,560 the rotation, right if you get Cam Spencer or iod 138 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,839 assuming because Dillingham just like isn't valuable, Like he's not 139 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,360 I've got to pull his numbers up, but like he's 140 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,279 just I think it's a consistent factor it and it 141 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,000 becomes it looks even worse when Mike Conley's not Mike 142 00:06:40,079 --> 00:06:42,519 Conley and when Bones Highland kind of falls off the 143 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,959 good vibes train that he was on for a while, 144 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,120 and that's when it becomes more pronounced. 145 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: I just don't I would have. I don't the players 146 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,399 we just named, certainly Cam Spencer, who's cost control for 147 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,079 forever at this point. But it's just interesting to think, 148 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,319 look at what you gave up to get him, and 149 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:02,879 if the pay off is I would assume who when 150 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,519 you look at the way the Bulls are built, If 151 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,879 Kobe White is there, Josh Gidty's like, are the Timberwolves 152 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,319 are the team that probably sending seconds out in that 153 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:14,079 deeal If something is happening with Chicago. 154 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: Maybe, Well, that gets back to the original question of like, 155 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:19,839 does Dillingham have some kind of surplus value just because 156 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:22,920 of the draft slot and the fact that, like you could, 157 00:07:22,959 --> 00:07:25,639 at least if you're another team, talk yourself into some 158 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,839 version of, well, the Wolves are really good, and it's 159 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,160 just unreasonable to expect what was he a teenager, his 160 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,759 rookie like that guy to crack the rotation. It's more 161 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,639 situation than like player talent. But yeah, like it's not 162 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,000 crazy to say the Wolves might actually have to Suiteen 163 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:45,680 that it's hard for me to get all the way 164 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,480 there though, that that would have to be the case. 165 00:07:48,879 --> 00:07:51,279 Speaker 1: So let's talk about what they need before getting into targets. 166 00:07:51,439 --> 00:07:53,680 I think, based off the names that we've thrown around, 167 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,000 were probably both in agreement that it feels as if 168 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,240 they could use another on ball just decision maker and 169 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,879 not necessarily Yeah, someone who could score off the dribble, 170 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,279 but like they have Julius Randall, Jane McDaniels has made 171 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,399 strides there, but more so someone who can run the 172 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:11,199 offense make life easier on and Edwards helped the minutes 173 00:08:11,199 --> 00:08:14,439 without him, obviously, I think that's there. I think you 174 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,040 could also make a case that they could they need 175 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,079 the player that they thought that they lost in Nikile 176 00:08:20,079 --> 00:08:22,759 Alexander Walker than the player that they thought that Terren 177 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,519 Shannon Junior might be this season, and for whatever reason, 178 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,680 he's not played well and he's also been injured a 179 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,720 bunch that feels like another need that they could pinpoint. 180 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,799 Probably harder at Phil though. 181 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:38,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's funny. Uh, we we've usually are 182 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,159 like I'd kind of like to see him get a 183 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,960 wing that could defend and make threas. It's like that 184 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,759 doesn't rate too highly on their list, which is unusual. Yeah, 185 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:51,399 I think you're right to specify a playmaker as opposed 186 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,080 to just it's got to be a guard. Like it's 187 00:08:53,159 --> 00:08:55,320 tempting this. It was easy for a long time to 188 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,600 say just a point guard. Calmley's aged out, Dylan am 189 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,919 hasn't figured it out, Steven Schanzo's not really a point guard. 190 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,080 We don't want Ant taking up point guard reps. Think 191 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:06,080 of all those things, the one that has aged the 192 00:09:06,159 --> 00:09:09,240 worst is like the idea that Ant can't be an 193 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:12,440 every down quarterback type of thing. Like I'm actually okay 194 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:15,840 with that. I would love like some help, but it 195 00:09:15,919 --> 00:09:17,879 can come at whatever position you want. It doesn't have 196 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,600 to be another six foot two, six foot three player. 197 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:23,879 Speaker 1: And it's kind of why someone like Cam Spencer or 198 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,039 Ioh or even they've been linked to Kobe White, which 199 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:28,039 would be that'd be I don't know how they get there, 200 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:31,240 but that'd be super interesting. That's why those guys work, 201 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,080 because it's you don't want them being a primary or 202 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,080 maybe even your second best playmaker, but just because Anthony 203 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,639 Edwards exists, it can be that engine. Like it lowers 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,200 the bar for what you need out of if you're 205 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,879 filling that ball handler spot. 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think having said all that, realistically, it 207 00:09:48,279 --> 00:09:52,440 probably is going to have to be like a one 208 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 or a two just because once you start at once 209 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,919 you start saying, well, he's a big wing that can 210 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,720 make plays, like, well, we're just out of the wolves 211 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,000 price range now, because like those guys are, you know, 212 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,279 that's just that's a player type that just costs too 213 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,759 much and the teams don't want to trade in the 214 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:08,600 first place. So yeah, it circles all the way back 215 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,480 to they need a guard, I guess, or they'll have 216 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,799 to get the playmaking from a guard, and they again 217 00:10:14,879 --> 00:10:18,159 like we said, can trade one first round swap and 218 00:10:18,519 --> 00:10:20,840 they have some seconds and I don't know who the 219 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,679 outgoing salary is going to be that really counts for 220 00:10:22,799 --> 00:10:24,639 something other than Dillingham. 221 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: I guess it's Dillingham. And then if you depending on 222 00:10:27,799 --> 00:10:30,240 how much you're trying to bring back, it's Mike Conley. 223 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just doesn't have any value though I don't 224 00:10:34,759 --> 00:10:38,919 think right like, I just who's who's viewing him as something? Value? 225 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: Is the expiring contract? 226 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:43,159 Speaker 2: I think, So you're taking back someone that makes ten 227 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:46,240 or eleven, I guess gotta be less than ten ten 228 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:47,519 or less and goes. 229 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: I guess if you if it's Mike Conley, and you know, 230 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,919 if it's Mike Conley and Rob Dillingham, you could take 231 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,840 back more or Mike Conley. And are they willing to 232 00:10:55,919 --> 00:10:58,279 move off of Terren Shannon Junior at this point, depending 233 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,080 on who's coming back, would there be a team that 234 00:11:00,159 --> 00:11:01,840 might be interested in I'm sure there be a few 235 00:11:01,879 --> 00:11:03,679 teams I'd be interested in Terrence Shannon Junior. 236 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean he's only adding like he's adding less 237 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,200 than three million to the pot. But maybe he is 238 00:11:10,279 --> 00:11:12,679 someone that, like on the court, would have more value 239 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,559 he probably does have more value than either of those guys. Yeah, 240 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,120 that's tough, man. I wonder who the team is that values. 241 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,080 That's the other thing is Commley, relatively speaking, does not 242 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:25,440 make like a lot. So like, you're not getting this 243 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,960 massive salary relief in ten million in expire ten point 244 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:32,440 seven just to be exact in expiring money trying to 245 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:35,679 think it's hard. I mean, what's Kobe White make twelve? 246 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:37,799 But he's expiring anyway, so you're not. 247 00:11:38,519 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: And that's like, so are you paying? I guess as 248 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,519 the Wolves you have to, but I'd be curious to 249 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,240 see how he's integrated alongside both at Julius Randall and 250 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:51,200 Anthony Edwards lineup type. And then also though are you 251 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,200 is he closing for the Wolves? Because that's the other 252 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:55,799 thing here is if you have to give up at 253 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,799 in the Wolves's case, it doesn't seem like much, but 254 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,960 if it's costing you Dillingham, your swap if you're is 255 00:12:02,039 --> 00:12:04,879 Terren Shannon Junior there, like you preferably want someone who 256 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,080 might have a chance to close for you, right, I. 257 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: Mean he would have a chance. You just maybe Devincenzo's 258 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,279 having an off night. I still think you probably value. 259 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,399 Devincenzo's kind of not the greatest on ball defender, but 260 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:18,240 like he can, he's a good off ball disruptor, and 261 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,080 White it just is not that valuable on that end. 262 00:12:21,159 --> 00:12:23,919 So you could see that's the spot. You could see 263 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,879 him closing occasionally over Devincenzo, but probably not like more 264 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:29,720 often than not. That's still going to be de Vincenzo. 265 00:12:30,159 --> 00:12:32,679 I feel pretty confident saying, so, yeah, you're right, but 266 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,399 they don't. They don't have a lot to move, So 267 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,039 it's I don't know if it's totally fair to say 268 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,120 it's got to be someone that's gonna close for them. 269 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,759 I think they would benefit from like a seventh guy. 270 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,440 Maybe maybe that's overstating it, but yeah, something in that range. 271 00:12:46,879 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: Would you trade, Oh, go ahead, I was gonna just. 272 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: Better than Dillingham or Conley. That's the bar, Just just 273 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:54,480 better than those guys. 274 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:56,919 Speaker 1: Would you trade You're not gonna get much playmaking out 275 00:12:56,919 --> 00:13:00,679 of this, but would you trade Dillingham for cam Thomas? 276 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:04,519 And the nets are sending you seconds in that to wow. 277 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,759 Speaker 2: Just hope you catch hope he gets healthy and you 278 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:10,159 just catch a heater. A couple of different playoff games. 279 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: That's interesting I haven't fleshed this out either, so I 280 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,320 think camp Thomas probably makes a little bit. Does he 281 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:16,919 make more than Dillingham or what was his QO for? 282 00:13:17,159 --> 00:13:18,879 Because the Wolves can't take back more money, but you 283 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,120 could fit it's easy to figure out. I mean he's 284 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,000 at five, he's at six, so Rob Dillingham should make 285 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:24,720 more than that, doesn't he? 286 00:13:24,799 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: What is he on the Dillingham makes six and a half? 287 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:28,000 So yeah, there you go. 288 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: I just saved the Wolves money and got them second 289 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,240 round picks. I'm sure that was the plan when they 290 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:34,360 when they got Rob Dillingham in the first place. 291 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: I mean, Thomas is someone that like the Nets. Just 292 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:42,440 he's got no future there. It seems pretty clear, so 293 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,519 then they should be willing to It's funny we come 294 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,039 all the way back to the Nets after saying like 295 00:13:47,159 --> 00:13:48,919 that's a weird fit because they have a million guards 296 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,600 to send Dillingham there, but cam Thomas is just not 297 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:53,399 going to be part of that team. I don't think, 298 00:13:53,519 --> 00:13:55,200 so why not would you? 299 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,919 Speaker 1: This is now we don't we need to know how 300 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,840 healthy is gonna be. But maybe that's part of the 301 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:01,879 peel for the Wolves because his value would be high 302 00:14:01,919 --> 00:14:05,240 or otherwise would you move Dillingham for Scotti Pippens Jr. 303 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:12,799 Speaker 2: Man Yeah, the health question. I kind of like that 304 00:14:12,919 --> 00:14:15,720 for the Wolves. Actually, I think Pippen's just a way 305 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:21,720 better of course, he's like a way better player. He's underside. Yeah, 306 00:14:21,799 --> 00:14:23,840 I think I I think he would. I don't know 307 00:14:23,879 --> 00:14:28,879 if he's closing, but he at least well again with 308 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,600 the de Vincenzo spot, like he might. You might just 309 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,600 really care about that facilitation, and maybe you care about 310 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:39,519 the defense too. I could see that trying to think 311 00:14:39,639 --> 00:14:42,919 like it's funny. It is just gonna be guards. That's 312 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:47,720 just that's just what it's got to be. It'd be 313 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:54,039 nice if like there's all these undesirable like guard scorers 314 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:56,440 that and ball handlers that other teams would want to move, 315 00:14:57,039 --> 00:15:00,759 but they're all like making three X you know, the 316 00:15:00,879 --> 00:15:03,039 Pools and de Jontay Murs and all this other stuff. 317 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,320 It's just like that type of player would actually matter here. 318 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,519 But it's like it's it's just a non starter because 319 00:15:08,519 --> 00:15:10,759 of the money and the deal's going past this year too. 320 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know, there's not even like a 321 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,919 if you're looking at a fifteen million dollar range by 322 00:15:16,919 --> 00:15:20,120 stacking Conley and Dillingham together. Is it like the Pacers? 323 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,559 He's not in this range You actually only need Mike Conley. 324 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:24,279 But are the Pacers looking to get out of TJ. 325 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:29,480 McConnell's money. Could you attach enough there to make that interesting? Probably? 326 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 2: Probably not. They probably want him back like Phoenix isn't 327 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:36,159 gonna give you. No, they're not. 328 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: You're not getting Jordan Goodwin or Colin Gillespie. 329 00:15:38,279 --> 00:15:42,399 Speaker 2: That's your No. Yeah, it's that's tough. I'm trying. There's 330 00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:45,000 got to be we haven't. We haven't been on a like, ooh, 331 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,159 what about this guy yet? 332 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: They could get to I don't know. This isn't like 333 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,879 they could get to Dennis Shrewder's money. If it's Conley 334 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,039 and Dillingham, and then are you getting second? Is it 335 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:57,759 Conley and Dillingham for Shrewder and Kean ellis as the framework? 336 00:16:00,279 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean, that's a huge win for UH for Minnesota. 337 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: Right, you've decided, So you've just decided that key on 338 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:10,360 Allison debt is worth the equity. I'm just curious how 339 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:13,039 the equity they have invested, the pick equity and Rob 340 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,240 Dillingham impacts how they view him. Because it's easy just 341 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,919 to say, you have to look at him as a 342 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,360 sunk cost to some extent, but you gave up control 343 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,159 of your like two out years first rounders to get him. 344 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: Do you think the Calves would just want to I 345 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:31,320 mean they can at the end of the season because 346 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,000 he's got a team option for next year. But just 347 00:16:33,559 --> 00:16:35,840 the Lonzo ball thing has not worked, and the Wolves 348 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:38,360 just take a total flyer on someone who's looked horrible 349 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 all year. It's like, well, there's your there's your secondary 350 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:43,919 playmaker guy. But are you like, I don't know why 351 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,240 Cleveland wants anything to do with Conley or Dillingham unless 352 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:49,480 Darius Garland has also been traded, So. 353 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I prefer I think I'd prefer to 354 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,039 stick with Conley or Dillingham in that case. Yeah, what 355 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:02,279 about well, I mean, this is we're veering away into 356 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:05,319 a different position. He would have to approve the trade. 357 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,759 But does Nick Patoomb do anything for you for this team? 358 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 2: Hmm? Maybe I mean just as a depth piece, and yeah, 359 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,240 we are getting off of the guard and playmaking side 360 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,759 of it. I'm not sure. I think between McDaniels and 361 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:27,880 Nas and Randall, I don't know how many minutes you've 362 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,039 got at the four, which is like the only position 363 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:30,759 he can play. 364 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,039 Speaker 1: Ooh, you know it would be man, It would just 365 00:17:36,079 --> 00:17:37,960 take too much to get to his money here. But 366 00:17:38,319 --> 00:17:42,920 so we have Comedy's at ten point eight, Dillingham's at 367 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:47,400 six point six. So what does that get you? You're 368 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:52,119 in seventeen plus million range, another smaller contract and then 369 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,119 something for Colin Sexton. 370 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting now that one. I could see that 371 00:18:00,039 --> 00:18:02,359 because because you're not committing to long term money if 372 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,480 you're the Wolves. He I don't know if he's closing. 373 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,200 The closing threshold is just really tough to clear on 374 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,279 a team that's this good. But you could imagine him 375 00:18:11,319 --> 00:18:15,319 playing a major role though, Like he's just he would 376 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:18,480 take all of Conley's minutes, all of Dillingham's minutes, probably 377 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,359 some of Shannon's minutes. Yeah, that's interesting. Now does what 378 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,519 Charlotte's incentive is we get just get a look at 379 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,599 at he's a man. Yeah, he's comly can just come 380 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,839 be an adult. We like that, you know that kind 381 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:36,359 of he can hang around for a little while and 382 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:37,039 just be good. 383 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: Concept has been really good for them, So you do 384 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:40,519 have to weigh that. 385 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: But he's not gonna He's not a piece. They're gonna 386 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:47,200 he's not anything close to like a corbational piece. 387 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about it would be kind of a similar structure, 388 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,640 but I don't know if they would need to include more. 389 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:56,359 And but he's just not had the best year. Do 390 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,880 you take the flyer on Karros Lavert using similar frame 391 00:19:00,039 --> 00:19:02,559 work and maybe Detroit says, hey, like, Ivy's out of 392 00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:04,960 here after this year, probably, so we just have a 393 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,960 Dillingham in his place? What about? Uh? 394 00:19:08,839 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: I mean, he's been terrible, So I don't know if 395 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,039 Minnesota wants anything to do with this, but he's a 396 00:19:14,079 --> 00:19:16,960 hometown guy, Tias Jones. Did you you could bring him 397 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,920 back for for Dillingham? And like you're half a million 398 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,319 short of that money, And from Orlando's perspective, it's just like, yeah, 399 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,720 we'll take We'll just throw this guy at the end 400 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,319 of the bench and maybe he turns into something. 401 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,279 Speaker 1: Well I think at that point, could it be something 402 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,000 like if would Brooklyn give you just seconds for Dillingham? 403 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,839 You send like, because Rolando wants to get out of 404 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,839 the tax, maybe they would just give up Tias Jones 405 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,599 to Minnesota if it gets them out of the tax. 406 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,359 So maybe you take back like a tiny bit of 407 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,440 money there. That'd be interesting. It's we are at what point, though, 408 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:48,079 do we stop playing the Tias Jones card to where 409 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:52,599 it's look what happened in Phoenix this year justapos against you. 410 00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:56,079 Speaker 2: Should have stopped a long time ago, pretty clearly. I 411 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:57,480 don't know, man, I don't know. 412 00:19:57,519 --> 00:19:59,839 Speaker 1: If they could get him. I think it's more realistic 413 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:04,200 if the if the Grizzlies do trade John Morant, because 414 00:20:04,319 --> 00:20:05,960 but they do also have Scotti Pippen there. I mean, 415 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,799 Scotty Pippen would be my favorite target, but they updated 416 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,279 us in the middle of January. Think he's gonna be 417 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:13,519 out another four to six weeks or reevaluated, And that's 418 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,000 just I mean, you're not getting anything out of doing 419 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:18,359 him right now, but just to if we don't know 420 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,519 Scotty Pippen, that'd be my favorite name. But my other 421 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,359 favorite name, Cam Spencer, makes so much sense for this 422 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,839 team just for shooting the ball, handling. He has like 423 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,880 some like defensive grit to him. That would be my 424 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,960 favorite trade target. That's not It's sort of like, is 425 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:36,319 he Devincenzo with better passing? Almost is really like what 426 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,640 you're in and then has that become duplicative at all? 427 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little bit. I think I'm just trying 428 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,119 to think like he does. He does make a lot 429 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,640 of sense actually, and you get like a premium, premium 430 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,279 shooting maybe probably better, maybe not as versatile as Devin Maybe, 431 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:54,880 I don't know. Can't I like Cam Spencer a. 432 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: Lot bang for the buck though he signed what he 433 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,119 signed four years ten million a round. 434 00:20:59,319 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, year one of that. I mean that might 435 00:21:01,559 --> 00:21:03,920 be the reason that they'll Grizzlies are just never going 436 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,039 to trade him, because that's that's such a heist of 437 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,759 a deal. I would give. 438 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,519 Speaker 1: This is I think Wolfsands will disagree, but I would give. 439 00:21:11,759 --> 00:21:13,759 I would throw my swap in there with dealing Ham 440 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,759 for Spencer Spencer. Yeah, now you're looking at oh, we've 441 00:21:16,839 --> 00:21:19,319 turned two first round swaps in a first round pick 442 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,680 into But you can't look at it that way either. 443 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,079 I understand saying we can't just ship out dealing Ham 444 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,359 for nothing, but you can't look at it like through 445 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,240 that lens either, like, wow, that's so dumb. 446 00:21:31,279 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 2: What do you think about Davion Mitchell? He would cost 447 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,680 you calmly and then another minimum salary to get to 448 00:21:39,759 --> 00:21:42,960 the money, shooting forty percent from three, I think he 449 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:44,839 might just be too valuable to the Heat. 450 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,039 Speaker 1: Well, if they're just looking for to pivot or if 451 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:51,720 they want off of money this year, maybe that's something 452 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,319 they look at. 453 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,839 Speaker 2: He's just a shooting point four next year. 454 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Does his shooting translate to Minnesota because he's just turned 455 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,880 into a shooter in Miami for something. 456 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: That's the thing is is you've got to really believe 457 00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,960 that the shooting strictly in Miami, because he was almost 458 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,440 forty five percent after he came over last year and 459 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,400 this season is real. And he's not the guy that 460 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,400 just like you can go way under on every pick 461 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,839 and roll. He's that's the thing. He's such a different player. 462 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,880 He he almost like Anthony Edwards is way better as 463 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,440 a playmaker than Mitchell. But you get the defense, that's 464 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:27,480 I mean, that's adding to a strength already in Minnesota. 465 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,200 Maybe he's good enough as a second side guy, and 466 00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:32,559 especially if he's gonna shoot, If he's gonna shoot like 467 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,960 this and you get the starter level defense, then then 468 00:22:36,039 --> 00:22:38,039 that's that gets it done. I just I wonder if 469 00:22:38,039 --> 00:22:41,119 Miami would even like pick up the phone if it's 470 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,400 Conley and seconds like, I don't. I don't know. You'd 471 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,119 have to really really want to save money. 472 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if he would accept the trade to 473 00:22:49,079 --> 00:22:52,799 this team just because his bird rights don't transfer. But 474 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:57,119 if you could send Dillingham and stuff and it's another 475 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,880 team's involved and we know this team's looking, or would 476 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:01,319 maybe get look to get out of the tax. 477 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 2: About Quentin Grimes, when you mentioned kan Thomas, I my 478 00:23:05,039 --> 00:23:05,880 mind jumped to him. 479 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: He's kind of saying at that point that he either 480 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,480 believes that his market, like on the open market, will 481 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:16,519 just be better than it was in Philly, or he's 482 00:23:16,599 --> 00:23:19,400 resigned to kind of saying I'll get non taxpayer mid 483 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,200 level exception money. If he's okay, I just does he 484 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,400 have a I guess his role would be comparably sized 485 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:28,200 in Minnesota Devincenzos there is. It's just because they have 486 00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,920 Edgecomb and Maxie and injuries in Philly kind of allow 487 00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:33,799 him to log more minutes. So he would be that'd 488 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:35,640 be a big gamble if he approved. 489 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: It, would I wonder if if though, I think it 490 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,559 would probably be a big gamble because like you said, 491 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,799 he's got a green light this and so he would 492 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,759 have to believe, well, one of two things. One that 493 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,440 Minnesota has a deeper like playoff ceiling, a higher playoff 494 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,319 ceiling than the Sixers do, which that's probably true, but 495 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,799 given the conferences, who knows, Like the Sixers could win 496 00:23:57,799 --> 00:23:59,960 a playoff series and Minnesota could run into a Jugger 497 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,119 not in round two and that would would equal out. 498 00:24:03,519 --> 00:24:07,240 And or two that he's gonna do enough. Yeah, I 499 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,599 don't know if the opportunity is that much greater for 500 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,960 him in Minnesota, just because like he when Paul George 501 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,680 doesn't play well, Grimes plays a little more, and when 502 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,519 Jerry McCain's not in there, he plays a little more. 503 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,160 You know, there's it would be pretty comparable, just guessing 504 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:20,440 at it. 505 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 1: Ooh, challenge, well that I don't know why this sister's 506 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,240 a challenger would be dealing ham for McCain so bad 507 00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:27,759 year that'd be I prefer McCain Simon Klotch too. 508 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's because we've seen less of McCain and 509 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,279 we don't know yet that he's actually not that good. 510 00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:34,839 Speaker 1: My final kind of name here would be like, so 511 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,920 if you had these three scenarios on the table and 512 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,839 you're the Wolves, and let's just assume you can get 513 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,920 to the money. Would you prefer Collin Sexton, Malik Monk 514 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,880 or that package I outlined from The Kings where it's 515 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,039 Shrewder and Keon Ellis and you know kind of the 516 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,880 framework of who has to go out in all of 517 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,599 those deals they include Dealingham and Mike Conley. 518 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:57,279 Speaker 2: Is it weird that I like the Ellis Shrewder combo 519 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,759 a little better than the other two. I most of 520 00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:01,000 that because of Ellis. 521 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,039 Speaker 1: And the same here. But then I'm wondering Elis is 522 00:25:04,039 --> 00:25:06,000 going to be a free agent, and so is there 523 00:25:06,519 --> 00:25:08,880 because and so it is Colin Sexton's like Malik Monk 524 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,759 is expensive for the next two years, but is their 525 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,680 value in knowing he's twenty million a pop? But also 526 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,039 that's way more than I thinkke On Ellis gets, so 527 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:16,640 probably not. 528 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in fairness though, like Monk is not 529 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:26,359 that far removed from being like remember like how his 530 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:29,279 like clutch playmaking a couple of years ago, and and 531 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,559 just like the shot has been there sometimes like he 532 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,559 he really if we're really going to get down to 533 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,519 and like what do the wolves need? You could make 534 00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:40,880 the case that Monk like provides more of what they 535 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,599 need than any of the other options that you outlined. 536 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,480 It's just like, how sure are you that that it's 537 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:50,839 Sacramento and not Monk that is the cause of his 538 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:54,559 you know, falling from that Perchy was on a couple 539 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:57,279 of years ago. I do think I agree with. 540 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: You that I would prefer the Ellis Shrewder com a 541 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,519 nation first and foremost, though like like, just get Cam 542 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:06,240 Spencer does everything. Both those guys will do, not the 543 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:08,400 room pressure. Shuter might give you some of that. You 544 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,359 any other names or anything else. Do you expect this 545 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720 team to make a move and who's their most likely 546 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:13,599 player to be traded? 547 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know if I expect them too. Honestly, 548 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:20,079 I think Dillingham just has to be the default most likely, 549 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:23,440 just because if they were going to get out of 550 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,079 the Conley business, I think they would have done it 551 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,319 by now. I think maybe he has just a little 552 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,279 too much value locker room wise and personality wise to 553 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,960 be the guy to go. And again I think Dillingham might, 554 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,759 just because of the unknown stuff insofar as that's still there, 555 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,400 have a little more value than Conley does. I don't know. 556 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the mystery box appeal as a youngster 557 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:48,720 for sure, yeah, you have anything else? Are you ready? 558 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,599 Speaker 2: Takes it out here. That's going to cover it. Thanks 559 00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,480 everybody for listening, for watching, Remember it's a great review. Subscribe, 560 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,599 leave with some comments on YouTube. Let's know what you 561 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,880 think about the Wolf's trade deadline plans or maybe lack thereof, 562 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,119 starting to seem like where we're getting to join. Our 563 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359 discord links for that in the YouTube and podcast description. 564 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,440 Until next time, shouts Franken Lakina. Apologies, Jared Nol