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<v Speaker 1>In the United States of America, some of the world's

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<v Speaker 1>most dangerous and notorious criminals are locked behind bars.

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Nichols is not only a murderer who murdered innocent

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<v Speaker 2>victims in a port of law. He definitely with somebody

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<v Speaker 2>who engaged in all kinds of different crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>While on trail for rape, Brian Nichols went on a rampage.

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<v Speaker 3>He hit her so hard that her head went against

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<v Speaker 3>the cinder black wall, knocked her out.

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<v Speaker 4>I forced my way into the court and I saw

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<v Speaker 4>Judge Barnes Lane with blood coming out of the back

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<v Speaker 4>of his head.

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<v Speaker 1>A prisoner who was armed and dangerous was free and

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<v Speaker 1>on the run.

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<v Speaker 3>He forces his way into a grunette woman's apartment. I

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<v Speaker 3>was concerned because he was now out. I then called

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<v Speaker 3>my wife and told her to get our daughter out

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<v Speaker 3>of school.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just willing to mow over anyone who gets in

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<v Speaker 2>his way, so he's absolutely still danger no matter.

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<v Speaker 3>Where he is.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Nichols suddenly claimed the top spot in America's most wanted.

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<v Speaker 5>Brian Nichols assaults a deputy, steals her gun, then hunts

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<v Speaker 5>down and murders Judge Rolling Barnes and his court reporter

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<v Speaker 5>outside Deputy Hoy Teasley is shot and killed by Nichols

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<v Speaker 5>on the sidewalk.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when he was securely locked behind bars. Brian Nichols

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<v Speaker 1>posed a serious threat to everyone.

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<v Speaker 6>He meant.

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<v Speaker 3>They move him from place to face. They do not

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<v Speaker 3>let the same guards garden him for a prolonged period

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<v Speaker 3>of time because they don't want them to get too

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<v Speaker 3>comfortable with him. And if he gets out, there's no telling.

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<v Speaker 6>What he might do.

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Diagnostic and Classification Prison is a maximum security facility

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<v Speaker 1>home to around two five hundred inmates.

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<v Speaker 7>A maximum security prison, it's more restrictive. They have gun posts,

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<v Speaker 7>there's more fences. The theme that makes maximum security prisons

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<v Speaker 7>more dangerous is that the inmates in there usually usually

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<v Speaker 7>have a longer sentence, so they've already made it up

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<v Speaker 7>their minds that they're going to live and die in prison.

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<v Speaker 6>That's their home.

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<v Speaker 7>So when it does kick off, they go all the way.

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<v Speaker 3>They they'll attempt to kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most feared inmates kept behind bars here

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<v Speaker 1>is mass murderer Brian Nichols.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he's the kind of person that's always thinking,

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<v Speaker 3>always analyzing, always looking for the crack on the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>always looking for the light through the door. I think

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<v Speaker 3>Brian could be a potential escape risk. I think if

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<v Speaker 3>Nichols felt cornered, I think he would very possibly kill again.

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<v Speaker 3>He with a natural bowing color.

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<v Speaker 1>In stark contrast to many of the world's most dangerous prisoners,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three year old Brian Nichols had enjoyed a good life.

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<v Speaker 3>He was educated, he was employed at a pretty good job,

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<v Speaker 3>and apparently he was pretty good at it, and he

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<v Speaker 3>basically he was living a successful life.

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<v Speaker 1>But everything changed when he was accused of rape and

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<v Speaker 1>aggravated abuse by a former girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>He was facing very significant jail time if he got

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<v Speaker 3>convicted of any number of the counts that were lodged

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<v Speaker 3>against him.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholls behavior in court made everyone nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I left the house, I remember the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>I said to my wife was I don't feel safe

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<v Speaker 3>in that court room.

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<v Speaker 1>Their fears were confirmed when Nichols suddenly turned violent.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the deputies went into the lock up

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<v Speaker 3>with her gun. At that point in time, he hit her.

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<v Speaker 3>Hit her so hard that her head went against the

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<v Speaker 3>cinder block wall, knocked her out.

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<v Speaker 1>Now on the loose in the courthouse, Nichols went on

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<v Speaker 1>a killing spree.

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<v Speaker 3>June Barden wouldn't have seen him come into the main room.

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<v Speaker 3>Brian shot June Bards on the left side of the head.

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<v Speaker 1>He then took his rampage out onto the streets.

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<v Speaker 8>And there was a house with a door open, and

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<v Speaker 8>there was a federal agent and they are working on

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<v Speaker 8>his bathrooms. He ended up killing the man, and shortly

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<v Speaker 8>after that when he kidnapped a girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Something happened that made him go from kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>regular person to somebody who had killed four people.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichols grew up in a middle class family during the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies and eighties in Baltimore, Maryland. He was a

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<v Speaker 1>good student and a talented sportsman.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a very involved family and they were intact.

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<v Speaker 3>They were together, so he had people who liked him.

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<v Speaker 3>He had a body of friends.

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<v Speaker 1>At the age of twenty one, Nichols was kicked off

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<v Speaker 1>the college football team for stealing and moved to Atlanta, Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>seeming to make a new start. Nichols secured a steady

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<v Speaker 1>job at a multinational technology company, and he had got

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<v Speaker 1>himself a girlfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>She was a very successful woman in the Times. I

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<v Speaker 3>spoke with her. I found her to be very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 3>very articulate, very well put together intellectually. She had a

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<v Speaker 3>lot going for her, and that was a good compliment

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<v Speaker 3>because Brian was also very intelligent.

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<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and four, when Brian Nichols was thirty

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<v Speaker 1>two years old, his life took a sudden downward spiral

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<v Speaker 1>when he was accused of rape.

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<v Speaker 3>I am Barry Hazen. I'm an attorney, criminal defense attorney,

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<v Speaker 3>and i represented Brian Nichols in two thousand and four

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<v Speaker 3>and five where he was charged with the rape in Atlanta, Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>The woman who lodged the complaint against Brian as a

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<v Speaker 3>woman who who had been in a relationship with him

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<v Speaker 3>for a number of years. They didn't live together, but

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<v Speaker 3>they were very much a couple in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they were talking about getting married.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship was not without its difficulties, and Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>not faithful.

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<v Speaker 3>He did have another relationship during that period of time,

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<v Speaker 3>and there was another woman and she became pregnant through Brian,

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<v Speaker 3>and that created a lot of turmoil in Brian's relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian's girlfriend eventually left him, but Brian was not ready

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<v Speaker 1>to let her go.

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting about rape is that people think of rape

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<v Speaker 2>as a sex crime, and while yes, it has a

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<v Speaker 2>horrific sexual component, the real driving factor behind rape is control.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it sounds like in this case, his girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>had left him, which caused a void, which caused anger,

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<v Speaker 2>which caused resentment. So as a result of that anger,

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<v Speaker 2>he decided to ductape her and rape her and sodomize

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<v Speaker 2>her in order to exert control over a situation that

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<v Speaker 2>he no longer had control over it.

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<v Speaker 3>The first time I met and saw Brian was at

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<v Speaker 3>the Fulton County Jail. He was being held without bond.

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<v Speaker 3>The conditions at the Fulton County Jail were not very

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<v Speaker 3>good conditions.

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<v Speaker 9>At all.

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<v Speaker 3>Of the jails I go to. I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 3>the least desirable place to be.

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<v Speaker 7>Inmates that end up in County jail can be anywhere

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<v Speaker 7>from getting a DUI, driving under the influence, murder, rape, molestation, robbery,

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<v Speaker 7>armed robbery.

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<v Speaker 3>We spent probably an hour hour and a half talking

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth about the facts of the case with clients.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you build a relationship right away, sometimes it takes

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<v Speaker 3>a while. But when Brian there was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Bond, Barry Hazen knew Nichols faced significant jail time as

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<v Speaker 1>he had been charged with a number of offenses.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there are about six or seven counts altogether,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course the biggest one was rape, which could

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<v Speaker 3>get you a life sentence in Georgia. The aggravated assault

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<v Speaker 3>was very serious. I can get you up to twenty

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<v Speaker 3>years in Georgia. The others were less, but the serious

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<v Speaker 3>He was facing very significant jail time if he got

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<v Speaker 3>convicted of any number of the counts that were lodged

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<v Speaker 3>against him. I knew it was going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>challenging case, because any time that you have a sex

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<v Speaker 3>related case, a rape case, you're walking uphill with the rock.

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<v Speaker 3>But I liked Brian. I found Brian to be very intelligent,

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<v Speaker 3>very articulate, very warm with me, very respectful of me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believed that there were sufficient facts to work

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<v Speaker 3>with to be able to defend Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was one issue about Nichols that niggled Berry.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that Brian and was taken with himself. I

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<v Speaker 3>think that Brian had perhaps certain narcissistic tendencies. I didn't

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<v Speaker 3>think he was mentally ill, but I thought that there

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<v Speaker 3>were certain issues that I needed to take note of.

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<v Speaker 1>On February twenty first, two thousand and five, the trial

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<v Speaker 1>started at Fulton County Courthouse. Despite building a strong rapport

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<v Speaker 1>with his client, very quickly noticed there were red flags

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<v Speaker 1>in Nichols's behavior.

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<v Speaker 3>The first day of trial, I think the judge was

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<v Speaker 3>being tested by Brian. Ryan immediately said he had to

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<v Speaker 3>go to the bathroom, I remember, and it must have

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<v Speaker 3>been in there for twenty minutes, and the judge was

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<v Speaker 3>asking where is he, where is he? Where is he?

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<v Speaker 3>What's what's going on here? And he ordered me to

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<v Speaker 3>go in there to get him, and Brian was just

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<v Speaker 3>standing there. And so I don't know what was going

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<v Speaker 3>on other than the fact that we already had a

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<v Speaker 3>judge that was irritated.

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<v Speaker 1>Superior Court Judge Roland Barnes was presiding over the hearing.

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<v Speaker 4>He was understanding and he cared about people. He could

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<v Speaker 4>care if you were richal poor, he cared about you.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost everybody wanted to go in front of Judge Barnes

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<v Speaker 4>because they know they would be treated fear.

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<v Speaker 1>The trial continued for five days, and throughout Barry was

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<v Speaker 1>concerned about what Nichols would try next and.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't feel threatened by him At all, but I felt

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<v Speaker 3>that he was being kind of a powdy kid in

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<v Speaker 3>a way, being resistive to the authority of the court

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<v Speaker 3>over him.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite Nichols's provocative behavior, Barry was doing his best to

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<v Speaker 1>secure a positive outcome for his client.

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<v Speaker 3>It went really well for him. I mean, the vote

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<v Speaker 3>was eight four not guilty. And then there was a

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<v Speaker 3>discussion with the judge and the district attorney myself.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a hung jury. The prosecutors wanted a retrial,

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<v Speaker 1>but Judge Barnes was not keen.

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<v Speaker 3>The judge did not want to retry the case. He

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<v Speaker 3>wanted them to let it go, and his faithful decision

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<v Speaker 3>for him. Throwing up his hands, said okay, then we'll

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<v Speaker 3>retry it on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>The prospect of sitting alongside Brian Nichols again for.

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<v Speaker 3>The retrial made very nervous. I thought the danger was

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<v Speaker 3>a possibility. Something was up. I wasn't sure what it was.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know if I had anything planned, but I

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<v Speaker 3>thought the mind was spinning at that point in time.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought we could have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Early morning on March seventh, two thousand and five, the

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<v Speaker 1>retrial of thirty three year old Brian Nichols for the offenses,

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<v Speaker 1>including the rape and battery of his former girlfriend, began.

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<v Speaker 6>My name is Brantley White.

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<v Speaker 4>I was a sergeant with the Fulding County Sheriff Department

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<v Speaker 4>and a bailiff for a Judge rode On Barnes on

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<v Speaker 4>the Brion Nichols case. At the courthouse, you are controlling

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<v Speaker 4>the courtroom. You are brain inmates in front of the judge.

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<v Speaker 4>Brion Nichols was very quiet as carrying a bible. He

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<v Speaker 4>didn't give any problems. He complied with whatever you tell him.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichols appeared to behave himself. That was until day four

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<v Speaker 1>when Judge Barnes made a shocking discovery and the judge.

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<v Speaker 3>Called us into chambers and he was very angry, which

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<v Speaker 3>is unusual for Judge Barnes. He was such an easy

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<v Speaker 3>going man that he had a Manila folder and he

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<v Speaker 3>an anger, and the pictures slid out of the folder.

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<v Speaker 3>There were two photographs, and he said, here, this is

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<v Speaker 3>what we found in your client's shoes yesterday. They looked

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<v Speaker 3>like hinges without the spindles because they had holes in

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<v Speaker 3>him and you could see that hadn't been sharpened, they

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<v Speaker 3>had been scraped. We found out later that it was

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<v Speaker 3>There was a threat he had crossed the line with me.

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<v Speaker 1>While Barry could never have imagined what his client would

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<v Speaker 3>The tension level on that Thursday was high. The judge

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<v Speaker 3>off the tables that he can use. For instance, you

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<v Speaker 3>know they have these little plastic discs that you run

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<v Speaker 3>wire through. The judge ordered those removed from the table.

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<v Speaker 3>He the water pitchers removed from the table so they

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't be used as a weapon. The judge actually said,

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<v Speaker 3>way you put it. I remember looking back to see

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<v Speaker 3>had the same middle aged woman deputy about thirty feet

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<v Speaker 3>And so I became concerned and then the judge he

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<v Speaker 3>put his hand on my shoulder and said, you need

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<v Speaker 3>to stay alert because you're sitting right next to him.

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<v Speaker 1>On the final day of the retrial, Nichols was as usual,

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<v Speaker 1>being held in Fulton County Jail until proceedings began in

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<v Speaker 1>the courthouse. Grantly White was the bailiff assigned to Judge

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<v Speaker 1>Barnes that day.

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<v Speaker 4>I always every morning before the court starts, pray protection

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<v Speaker 4>to God to protect me. This is the first time

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<v Speaker 4>I have given an interview about.

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<v Speaker 6>What happened. It's hard to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 10>On Marsh the eleventh, two thousand and five, the last

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<v Speaker 10>day for the trial of Barrin Nicholas, I asked the

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<v Speaker 10>judge if I can go, if I can get breakfast,

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<v Speaker 10>and he said yes.

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<v Speaker 4>He was just stucking to attorneys about their feet and

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<v Speaker 4>he felt safe that nothing would happen.

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<v Speaker 3>And Nicholas was hearing from Rice Street in Fulton Kenny

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<v Speaker 3>Jail by van each morning to the courthouse and there's

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<v Speaker 3>through the main entrance and they're brought up in an elevator,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I secured elevator to whatever floor the court

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<v Speaker 3>room is on, and then he'd be escorted into that.

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<v Speaker 3>Before I left the house, I remember the last thing

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<v Speaker 3>I said to my WiFi is I don't feel safe

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<v Speaker 3>in that. Up until the day before, I had no

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<v Speaker 3>problem with it. I knew he was being a problem

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<v Speaker 3>for other people, but I didn't really think he was

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<v Speaker 3>a physical threat. But suddenly I did.

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<v Speaker 1>At eight forty five am, Nichols had been transferred from

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<v Speaker 1>Fulton County Jail to a holding cell located in the

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<v Speaker 1>new building of Fulton County Courthouse.

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<v Speaker 6>There's alage, risks and balls.

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<v Speaker 4>When an m counts to court on a jury trial,

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<v Speaker 4>he's brought upstairs to change into civilian clothes.

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<v Speaker 6>He opened a door.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you remove the handcuffs from the inmate and

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<v Speaker 4>released him into holding cell. This is very risky because

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<v Speaker 4>most problems happened when you moving the handcuffs from inmates.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichols was being escorted into the court by a female deputy.

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<v Speaker 3>He took pride in being a ladies man and being

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<v Speaker 3>able to charm people. The deputy she liked him. She

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<v Speaker 3>actually told me this guy is innocent, so she felt that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she was forming a kinship with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The deputy had built a trust with Nichols and had

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<v Speaker 1>let down her guard.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the deputies went into the lock up

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<v Speaker 3>with her with her gun at that point in time,

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<v Speaker 3>he hit her, hit her so hard that her head

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<v Speaker 3>when he against the cinder block wall, knocked her out.

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<v Speaker 3>He took her key, and now he also come put

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<v Speaker 3>on civilian clothes, and he's got a gun, and then

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<v Speaker 3>calmly walked across that bridge from the new building into

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<v Speaker 3>the old building where Judge Barnes is.

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<v Speaker 4>As I turned the corner to go down the hallway,

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<v Speaker 4>I saw the person with a gun in the hand.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I recognized it was Brian Nichols. He didn't shoot

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<v Speaker 4>me right away, so I figured he didn't want to

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<v Speaker 4>kill me.

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<v Speaker 6>So I decided to see if I can.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk to him, and I asked him what he was doing,

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<v Speaker 4>and he kept saying, don't do anything. Don't do anything, sir,

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<v Speaker 4>don't do anything. And I tried to tell him, well,

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<v Speaker 4>there's no reason for him to do it. He said

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<v Speaker 4>it's too late for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Rather than make his escape, it appeared that Nichols had

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<v Speaker 1>a plan and was intent on vengeance and took Grantly hostage, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He put the gun to the back of my head

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<v Speaker 4>and he took my gun. He walked me into Judge's

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<v Speaker 4>office and when I walked through the door, I saw

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<v Speaker 4>there were some of the folks that worked.

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<v Speaker 6>For the judge.

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<v Speaker 4>Then Brian Nicholas said to me, handcuffed these folks. I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't want to do it. One of the lady said, please, Grantly,

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<v Speaker 4>please do what he said. Then he said, handcuff yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian Nichols threw the handcuffs at me and I looked

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<v Speaker 4>at it and I saw blood on him. I knew

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<v Speaker 4>that belongs to my deputy cause her name was engrave Onned.

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<v Speaker 4>The thought ran through my mind that he had killed her.

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<v Speaker 4>I handcuffed my and I tried to make them loose

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<v Speaker 4>so maybe I can get out of them, because I

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<v Speaker 4>knew that under the judge's desk was a dressed button.

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<v Speaker 4>As I stand over by the desk, I thought to myself,

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<v Speaker 4>how am I going to do this? So I decided

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<v Speaker 4>to fake a heart attack and fell down on my knees.

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<v Speaker 4>And as I fell down on my knees, I pushed

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<v Speaker 4>the button underneath the judge's desk.

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<v Speaker 1>Central Control responded to the alarm call, but Nichols was

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<v Speaker 1>ready and reported all was well, but operators said something

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<v Speaker 1>was very wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the sergeants in the central control knew my.

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<v Speaker 4>Voice and said, that's not White, that's not Sergeant White's voice.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I heard one of the ladies said, Sergeant, he's gone,

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<v Speaker 4>He's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Grantly grabbed his rado to tell central control what

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<v Speaker 1>had just happened. Nichols was tracking down his first kill.

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<v Speaker 3>He then calmly walked into Judge Barnes's chambers. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>Judge Barnes is on the bench on the divorce case.

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<v Speaker 3>He walks into chambers unlocked door and then goes from

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<v Speaker 3>chambers into the court room. Judge Barton wouldn't have seen

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<v Speaker 3>him come into the main room, and just immediately Brian

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<v Speaker 3>turned to his right shot Judge Bards on the left

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<v Speaker 3>side of the head. When Julie Brenda the court border,

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<v Speaker 3>turned around, he shot her and then left the court

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<v Speaker 3>room through the main door.

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<v Speaker 1>Grantly had heard the gunshots and ran to the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 4>I forced my way into the courtroom and I saw

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<v Speaker 4>Judge Barnes lane by his desk of blood coming out

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<v Speaker 4>of the back of his head and I saw Julie.

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<v Speaker 6>I meant to put a bunch of Depts grab me

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<v Speaker 6>and pulled me out of the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichols was making his bold for freedom.

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<v Speaker 3>He then went down the stairs and one of the

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<v Speaker 3>deputies went running after him.

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<v Speaker 1>Having shot the judge and the court reporter, Brian Nichols

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<v Speaker 1>began his escape from the County courthouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Nichols targeted the judge because he really believed the judge

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<v Speaker 2>was probably responsible for his fate. While the judge may

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<v Speaker 2>have been responsible for having finding him guilty or not

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<v Speaker 2>guilty and imposing sentence, what Nichols is unable to process

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<v Speaker 2>in his mind is that it's not ultimately the judge's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>It's his fault. He's the one that chose to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in the rape. He's the one that chose to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in the violence. He's the one that.

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<v Speaker 6>Got himself arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's unable to take accountability for his actions.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichols was trying to escape the courthouse but was being

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<v Speaker 1>chased down.

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<v Speaker 3>He got down to the bottom floor, and when the

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<v Speaker 3>deputy came running after him through the door, shot the deputy.

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<v Speaker 3>Also Deputy Teasley.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, in my mind it maybe a deputy had

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<v Speaker 4>shot by Nicholas, but he had shut one of the

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<v Speaker 4>deputies that proceeded down the stairs behind him.

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<v Speaker 6>That's horrible. It was a horrible day.

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<v Speaker 1>As forty three year old father of two, Hoyit Teasley

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<v Speaker 1>lay dying, Nichols went on the run.

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<v Speaker 2>It really shows not only the level of savagery and

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<v Speaker 2>sadism that Nichols was willing to go to in order

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<v Speaker 2>to gain his freedom in a way that was clearly

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<v Speaker 2>never going to work long term, but also his lack

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<v Speaker 2>of accountability. What makes Nichols such a dangerous prisoner is

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<v Speaker 2>that he's willing to go to really great lengths to

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<v Speaker 2>get his needs met. That's just the way Nichols thinks.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no other way for him to you escape threat

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<v Speaker 2>other than violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Unaware of his client's killing spree, defense attorney Barry Hazen

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<v Speaker 1>was making his way to the courthouse to get ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the nine to fifteen start.

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<v Speaker 3>As if walking to the courthouse, I heard sirens. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>four or five seconds after I heard them, these cars

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<v Speaker 3>were whizzing past me. Police corps whizzing passing me to

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<v Speaker 3>the courthouse, and then I saw deputies pouring out of

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<v Speaker 3>the courthouse from different exits, guns drawn, and I knew,

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<v Speaker 3>I just knew that it had to involve Brian. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the deputies who I know, came running up the

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<v Speaker 3>street and shoved me into a storefront and said, you're

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<v Speaker 3>in danger. Your client is just shot Judge Barnes. I

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<v Speaker 3>was concerned because he was now out. I then called

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<v Speaker 3>my wife and told her to get our daughter out

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<v Speaker 3>of school and do not go home. If he was

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<v Speaker 3>looking for a van. I don't know how he felt

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<v Speaker 3>about me, but it was a pretty tense, tense time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, we didn't know where he was or what

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<v Speaker 3>he might took.

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<v Speaker 1>Intent on evading justice, Nichols turned his attention to getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 8>In two thousand and five, I was working at the

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<v Speaker 8>Atlanta Journal Constitution. I was a featured reporter and it

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<v Speaker 8>was a good job. I parked in the usual spot

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<v Speaker 8>always parked, and I usually got there around nine thirty

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<v Speaker 8>or so. I didn't have the radio on, so I

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<v Speaker 8>didn't hear any news was what was going on. It

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<v Speaker 8>just seemed like another ordinary day. So I walked my

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<v Speaker 8>in Miss iv nice looking black man with no shirt,

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<v Speaker 8>said do you know how to get to Linux Square,

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<v Speaker 8>which is a local shopping mall. Being told light, I

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<v Speaker 8>started giving him direction. He got out of the car

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<v Speaker 8>and walked around. I didn't think anything about it until

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<v Speaker 8>he pulled the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Dawn was the fourth person Nichols had confronted since escaping.

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<v Speaker 1>He was completely unaware the man holding the gun was

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<v Speaker 1>a multiple murderer.

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<v Speaker 8>When he said give me your keys, and I said

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<v Speaker 8>to myself, since the car jacking, it's just stay calm,

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<v Speaker 8>give him the keys and he'll drive off. And that

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<v Speaker 8>set But then when he took my keys and unlocked

432
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 8>trunk he told me to get in, I knew this

433
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:47.559
<v Speaker 8>was serious business. He was giving orders like a drill instructor.

434
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:52.880
<v Speaker 8>He was not eratic, he was amazingly calm. He was

435
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.759
<v Speaker 8>just upset that I wouldn't follow his directions. We kind

436
00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 8>of stared at each other for a few minutes, and

437
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 8>he said, get in the trunk.

438
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:02.599
<v Speaker 6>I'll kid you.

439
00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 8>I shook my head and he kept kept closer and

440
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:08.640
<v Speaker 8>glared at me, and he said get in the trunk,

441
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:18.200
<v Speaker 8>I'll shoot you. And after I refused to get into

442
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 8>the trunk, he ended up hitting me over my eye

443
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 8>and I fell, and then I scrambled to my feet

444
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.559
<v Speaker 8>and ran out this way.

445
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 6>This was the most terrifying thing that ever happened.

446
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.839
<v Speaker 8>I never had a gun pointed at me, I'd never

447
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 8>been threatened, but I think I was reasonably calm considering

448
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 8>the situation. And I went two blocks up that way

449
00:28:45.240 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 8>and ran into a fellow reporter and he told me

450
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.119
<v Speaker 8>they'd been a shooting at the courthouse. The judge had

451
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:55.440
<v Speaker 8>been killed, two other people shot, and he said, sounds

452
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 8>like the same guy.

453
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.359
<v Speaker 9>And he said there were police for down a block

454
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 9>interview people. And so I went there, told me when

455
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.559
<v Speaker 9>had happened, despite my green Honda that he had taken.

456
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.119
<v Speaker 9>And then I went to the medical center to get my.

457
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 3>Wrists fixed and my eyes stitched.

458
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 9>And that was my.

459
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 3>Morning so far.

460
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.559
<v Speaker 1>While law enforcement were desperately trying to locate Nichols, the

461
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>scene at Fulton County Courthouse was one of devastation.

462
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 6>It still affects me up to this day. It's hard

463
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:35.119
<v Speaker 6>to talk about it.

464
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.279
<v Speaker 4>Judge Byrne was the only judge.

465
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 6>He was my friend.

466
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Julie was special. She was really time. Julie made sure

467
00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 4>that the jury how to cake every morning. She was

468
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 4>really really.

469
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 3>Nice Julie Brandeu. She was warm and wonderful and friendly.

470
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.839
<v Speaker 3>It went with Judge Barnes. His chambers was a place

471
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:11.799
<v Speaker 3>of if you had some time between cases and you

472
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 3>wanted to hang out somewhere, you can go there and

473
00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:17.519
<v Speaker 3>just sit there and eat popcorn, have a cup of coffee.

474
00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 3>He didn't have a walk on the store all the

475
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.599
<v Speaker 3>other thing judges did. His was wide open, and Julie

476
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 3>Brandew had that others did also. She was just this

477
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 3>really nice person.

478
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>As Atlanta Police Department took over the crime scene, officers

479
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>had no idea where Nichols was and offered a substantial

480
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.519
<v Speaker 1>reward for information.

481
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 8>Whether he had done was to drive my car at

482
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 8>one level, backed it into the parking space, taken my

483
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.519
<v Speaker 8>navy blazer out of the car and put it on,

484
00:30:55.839 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 8>walked across to the Martyr. The mass transit system took

485
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:02.599
<v Speaker 8>the train to Lenox Square.

486
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 1>With Nichols now the focus of one of the biggest

487
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 1>manhunts America had ever seen, police were unaware he was

488
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 1>just seven miles away in the streets around the Lenox

489
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Square shopping mall. Thirteen hours on from his first kill,

490
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 1>he was about to take another innocent life.

491
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:31.000
<v Speaker 8>He was looking for a place to hide or whatever,

492
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 8>and there was a house with a door open, and

493
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 8>there was a federal agent and they are working on

494
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:36.759
<v Speaker 8>his bathroom.

495
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>The crime spree continued, with Nickels shooting and killing US

496
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Customs Agent David Wilhelm at his home. He then steals

497
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>his pickup truck, badge, and pistol.

498
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.759
<v Speaker 3>It was a pretty tense tense time. I mean, we

499
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 3>didn't know where he was or what he might do.

500
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 3>What we did find out is that he committed a

501
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 3>lark another killing that night where he shot the federal Marshall,

502
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 3>which is about a half a mile from my house.

503
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 1>With the murder of off duty federal agent David Wilhelm

504
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>freshly in his wake, Nichols headed thirty miles north to

505
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>Gwinnette County.

506
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 3>I was asked to come down to downtown Atlanta. They

507
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 3>wanted to film a request for him to turn himself in.

508
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.039
<v Speaker 3>And all of a sudden, a driver gets in the

509
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.319
<v Speaker 3>van and a reporter gets in the van and we

510
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:33.880
<v Speaker 3>take off and he says, oh, he's in Gwinnette County.

511
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm just sitting in his van. At this point in time,

512
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm like prisoner.

513
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>At around two a m Ashley Smith was unpacking her

514
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 1>new apartment when she headed out briefly to buy cigarettes.

515
00:32:54.759 --> 00:33:00.200
<v Speaker 1>On her return, Nichols was waiting in the shadows a

516
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 1>gun to her back. He forced his way into her apartment.

517
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 3>He forces his way into a gorunette woman's apartment. A

518
00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:09.359
<v Speaker 3>swap team surrounds.

519
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Nichols, having killed four innocent people in a murderous rampage.

520
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Alleged rapist Brian Nichols was on the run. He had

521
00:33:25.640 --> 00:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>reached a town thirty miles north of downtown Atlanta.

522
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people high on psychopathy actually tend to

523
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 2>be very impulsive and not engage in long term thinking,

524
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 2>and those four people were in his way, and so

525
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>it was a means to an end.

526
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 1>Nichols was aware the police were on his trail and

527
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 1>had taken a hostage single mom, Ashley Smith. Ashley Smith

528
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.279
<v Speaker 1>had managed to stay alive by gaining the trust of Nichols,

529
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>spending the night talking about God and forgiveness.

530
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 3>They believe there is a hostage situation going on right now.

531
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>This is in Duluth, Georgia. It's about fifteen miles north

532
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 3>of the Fulton County Courthouse in Atlanta. Where we know

533
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:09.639
<v Speaker 3>three people were killed yesterday.

534
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Ashley had made Nichols breakfast and encouraged the killer to

535
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 1>turn himself in. He refused. At around nine to fifteen am,

536
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.679
<v Speaker 1>Ashley managed to persuade Nichols to let her go and

537
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>see her daughter. As soon as she was in the car,

538
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 1>she dialed nine one one at least quickly surrounded the area.

539
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 3>We're about maybe one hundred and fifty feet from where

540
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 3>he was, perhaps, and this apartment was surrounded, and I thought,

541
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't come out, they're gonna kill him. But

542
00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:44.800
<v Speaker 3>fortunately he waved a white shirt and then they swamped

543
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 3>him and he was just covered. You couldn't even see

544
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:49.000
<v Speaker 3>him at that point in time. He did ask for

545
00:34:49.079 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 3>me to come talk to him. I decline. My attitude

546
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 3>was that I represented him on a rape case. I

547
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 3>was not representing him on a murder case, especially given

548
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I knew the people who had killed

549
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 3>and then George Barnson, who really brand down and there's

550
00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:07.280
<v Speaker 3>no way I.

551
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 10>Can do that.

552
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>As the city of Atlanta emerged from a twenty six

553
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 1>hour lockdown, Ryan Nichols was securely locked away once again

554
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:17.880
<v Speaker 1>at Fulton County Jail.

555
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 7>When a person commits a crime out on the streets,

556
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 7>they get arrested, they go to the police department to

557
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:27.400
<v Speaker 7>get processed, and then they'll go to county jail.

558
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.320
<v Speaker 6>That's where they'll take away their.

559
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 7>Belongings, dress them out and inmate attire, and fingerprint them,

560
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 7>book them, and they wait there until they get scheduled

561
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.159
<v Speaker 7>to go to prison.

562
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>Just under two months later, Nichols was indicted by a

563
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Fulton County grand jury on fifty four counts. Citing mental

564
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>health issues. Nichols pleaded not guilty.

565
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 2>He may have planned these murders in order to get

566
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the death penalty, it seems more like his goal was

567
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>just to escape the courthouse, just to escape prison and

568
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>not think much about the future.

569
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:15.280
<v Speaker 1>While awaiting trial at Fulton County Jail, Nichols attempted to

570
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 1>enlist two sheriff's deputies while plotting an escape.

571
00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.599
<v Speaker 7>It is safe to assume that every inmate wants to

572
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.000
<v Speaker 7>escape from prison. I would say some personality traits of

573
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.800
<v Speaker 7>somebody attempting to escape or wanting to escape would be

574
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 7>maybe growing out their hair one day or cutting into

575
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 7>the next to be able to disguise themselves as they

576
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 7>attempt to flee. Getting physically fit so that they are

577
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:47.920
<v Speaker 7>able to run or walk multiple miles, learning the layout

578
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.199
<v Speaker 7>of the surrounding areas in towns, maybe acquiring a map,

579
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 7>a compass, a cell phone to.

580
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 6>Aid them in an escape.

581
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 7>Those are the type of ones that are kind of

582
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.760
<v Speaker 7>smart with it.

583
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Deemed a high security risk, Nichols was moved to Decob

584
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 1>County Jail. He remained here for two years until on

585
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 1>July tenth, two thousand and eight, nichols murder trial began.

586
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 1>He maintained his plea of not guilty by reason of insanity.

587
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 8>Well, it was actually the first time I had been

588
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 8>a witness in the trial, especially when I was involved

589
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:27.599
<v Speaker 8>with it, and it was.

590
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:30.559
<v Speaker 6>I was very nervous.

591
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 8>They asked me to point him out in the courtroom.

592
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 8>That's when I had flashed back because I knew I

593
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 8>was going to have to tell the story again. And

594
00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:51.199
<v Speaker 8>then image flashed through my mind about everything, and yeah,

595
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.960
<v Speaker 8>I don't I wasn't going to be in the same

596
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 8>room with him again.

597
00:37:58.880 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 6>Actually broke down.

598
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 4>Understand Nicholas was sitting with the attorneys next to him.

599
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 6>I kept looking at him.

600
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:11.000
<v Speaker 4>I kept staring at him. I could not help but

601
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 4>stare at him. I'm such an evil person. It was

602
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 4>hard because of the loss of my friends, Judge and

603
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.440
<v Speaker 4>Julie deputies something I would never.

604
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:32.159
<v Speaker 6>Forget. I lived with it for the rest of my life.

605
00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.559
<v Speaker 1>In an incredible turn of events, it transpired that Nichols

606
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:44.920
<v Speaker 1>had killed the man about to give him his freedom.

607
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 3>About six months after the shooting, look at a telephone

608
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 3>call from an attorney and told me that the night

609
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.880
<v Speaker 3>before the shooting that he had a conversation with Judge

610
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Barnes about the case. Judge Barnes told him he was

611
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 3>going to cut Brian Nichols free by granting a motion

612
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.840
<v Speaker 3>for a directed verdict of a quittle. If the defense

613
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:12.559
<v Speaker 3>thinks there's not enough evidence legally for a jury to

614
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:15.559
<v Speaker 3>even find somebody guilty beyond a reasonable doubt is a

615
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 3>legal issue. It's insufficient, you can make a motion for

616
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:23.800
<v Speaker 3>a directed verdict of acquittal. So Brian killed the person

617
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 3>that was going to cut him loose. The case would

618
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.039
<v Speaker 3>not even gone to the jury. Brian was going to

619
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:29.480
<v Speaker 3>go home.

620
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>The jury deliberated for twelve hours over two days before

621
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 1>finding Nichols guilty of four counts of murder and fifty

622
00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 1>other charges, sentenced to multiple life sentences with no chance

623
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>of parole. Nichols was spared the death penalty when the

624
00:39:52.519 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>jury failed to reach a unanimous decision.

625
00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:59.400
<v Speaker 8>I think two or three people other than guess it.

626
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 8>But it all depends on who the jury is. If

627
00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:08.159
<v Speaker 8>someone looks and they say it looks like a killer,

628
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 8>looks like a horrible person and more likely to do that.

629
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:21.480
<v Speaker 8>But he looked like an ordinary middle class guy. They

630
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 8>blamed it on something mental, not the fact that he's

631
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:26.320
<v Speaker 8>with a natural born killer.

632
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.280
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I was pretty to diverted because he's got a

633
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 4>long time to think. He was given over two hundred years,

634
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 4>I think, and brand in prison is worse than the death. Finally,

635
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 4>they should.

636
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 1>Be sentenced to four consecutive life sentences. Nichols was incarcerated

637
00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>in Georgia Diagnostic and Classification State Prison. With a history

638
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:01.199
<v Speaker 1>of escape attempts and plots, Nichols means a high security

639
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.119
<v Speaker 1>risk to those guarding him.

640
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:06.159
<v Speaker 3>My under setting is they move him from place to pace.

641
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.599
<v Speaker 3>They do not let the same guards guarden him for

642
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 3>a prolonged period of time because they don't want them

643
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.280
<v Speaker 3>to get too comfortable with him that they know. They

644
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 3>move him around, different people interact with him, because he's

645
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.039
<v Speaker 3>considered to be a high security risk, and I believe

646
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 3>he is. I think if he felt cornered, I think

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<v Speaker 3>he would very possibly kill again.

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<v Speaker 4>Brannick is the person you cannot Trust's a woven sheep clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>Nichol's rap sheet, which features the death of so many

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement officials, has given him kudos with other prisoners.

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<v Speaker 7>Reputation in prison is pretty much everything. So if a

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<v Speaker 7>suspect committed a crime out on the streets, would it

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<v Speaker 7>carry over the reputation inside of prison? That all depends

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<v Speaker 7>on the notoriety did it make the news? Was a

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<v Speaker 7>person that the crime was committed against? Was it a

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<v Speaker 7>police officer? So depending on who the victim was and

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<v Speaker 7>the circumstances of the crime, absolutely that reputa can carry

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<v Speaker 7>inside the prison.

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<v Speaker 3>My guess is he's probably got a bit of notoriety

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<v Speaker 3>there in the prison population. If you don't have much

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<v Speaker 3>in prison, you try to garner what will you do

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<v Speaker 3>have he'll die there unless he, you know, escapes.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing remains clear to all involved in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Nichols is still one of the world's most evil prisoners.

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<v Speaker 4>The impact of what he had done, he had taken

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<v Speaker 4>a judge everyone liked.

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<v Speaker 6>He took a court reporter, a beautiful person. He took

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<v Speaker 6>a deputy life. A deputy will be there for you anytime.

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<v Speaker 4>He impacts so many people's lives, all the families of

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<v Speaker 4>the victims. No one would never be the Saint
