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<v Speaker 1>And hello, how are you welcome to the Big Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>on this Thursday. Today is the sixteenth day of October,

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<v Speaker 1>year of Our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Sullivan. So yeah, we got a lot today. I

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<v Speaker 1>want to We've got to follow up on the hostage

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<v Speaker 1>releases that are stalled in from Hamas Russia. There's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a meeting between the President and Vladimir Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>give you the details. Federal judges are busy, busy, busy

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<v Speaker 1>telling whatever Donald Trump wants to do that he can't

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<v Speaker 1>do it. We'll dig into some of those, the shutdown

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<v Speaker 1>and how that's impacting people. And update on crime in Washington, DC.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's start with the business about the hostages in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>There are nine now have been released. There were four

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was another. Well there was four, but

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<v Speaker 1>one of them wasn't DNA showed it wasn't in a hostage.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was four, and then three. That's seven, and

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<v Speaker 1>then overnight there was two more. So they're up to

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<v Speaker 1>nine that have been released, and that means nineteen dead

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<v Speaker 1>hostages still remain to be turned over.

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<v Speaker 2>Two of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of the nineteen are Americans, one of them Omer newtraum.

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<v Speaker 1>He literally was watching the war take place a Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>family and he said, I'm going to go over and

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<v Speaker 1>sign up with the IDF and fight for Israel and

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<v Speaker 1>wound up getting captured and killed. So his father is

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<v Speaker 1>talking today about the status of where and when his

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<v Speaker 1>son is going to be coming home, at least in

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<v Speaker 1>the casket.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it depends who you listen to, right. The IDF

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<v Speaker 3>claims that Hamas know where they are. Hamas claims that

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<v Speaker 3>some of them they don't know where they are, but

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<v Speaker 3>they need equipment. Listen, we need the adult in the room.

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<v Speaker 3>We need what we've seen so far, the American government,

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<v Speaker 3>with the leadership of President Trump, to put full force

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<v Speaker 3>and full influence on the mediators, whether it's Qatar or

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<v Speaker 3>Turkey or Egypt. Put Israel and Ramas together and said, listen, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>the nineteen hostage left. It's part of the first stages

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<v Speaker 3>of that agreement. They need to come out. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know the alternative. If they don't come out, this ceasefire

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<v Speaker 3>is going to collapse, and this is gonna be horrible.

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<v Speaker 3>We may lose our boy forever. You know, our tradition

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<v Speaker 3>calls for a burial place for us to go and

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<v Speaker 3>start our mourning process, and we don't have it. For

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<v Speaker 3>over two years, We've been numerous times in Washington, in Qatar,

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<v Speaker 3>in Tel Aviv, just saying release the hostages. Thank god,

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<v Speaker 3>President Trump released twenty hostages alive, which was the impossible,

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<v Speaker 3>made possible by his dedication in his leadership. But now

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<v Speaker 3>second stage of the deal, bring out the disease sausages.

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<v Speaker 3>As two American left the Titran and omer neutral, they

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<v Speaker 3>need to come out. President Trump deserves it, we deserves it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Homass is responding and they're saying, we need specialized

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<v Speaker 1>equipment to find the rest. They're implying that there's a

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<v Speaker 1>number of the bodies that are under the rubble and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to have to do the digging out to

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<v Speaker 1>try to find them. So the question then is and

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<v Speaker 1>why did they sign the agreement saying that they would

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<v Speaker 1>return all forty eight hostages dead and alive when they

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<v Speaker 1>knew that they had a problem with doing that. But that,

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<v Speaker 1>like the father said, this puts the whole thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>on shaky grounds. The whole cease fire could collapse over

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<v Speaker 1>this issue. Let's hope not, but at this point I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not so sure. This thing is going to I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how much patience is going to take, not only

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<v Speaker 1>for Israel but also all the other Arab nations that

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<v Speaker 1>signed on to this agreement as well and said, you

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to this, So how are they going to get

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of them that the people at MOSS say

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<v Speaker 1>they need specialized equipment? Russia back in the news and

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and the fact that the President is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be meeting, as we've told you, with President Zelensky tomorrow Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then there is going to be a group from

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<v Speaker 1>the US and a group from Russia that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to get together try to hammer out some sort of agreement.

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<v Speaker 1>And then President Putin and President Trump are going to

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<v Speaker 1>be meeting in the near future. We don't have an

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<v Speaker 1>exact date on a Dan Hoffman, former CIA guy, talked

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So first, it's important to emphasize that Russia continues to

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<v Speaker 4>launch missiles and drone attacks at innocent Ukrainian civilians and

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<v Speaker 4>Ukraine's infrastructure. President Zelenski does want those Tomahawk missiles. He'd

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<v Speaker 4>like to strike the launch sites from which Putin is

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<v Speaker 4>launching the missiles that are targeting Ukraine. The preamble for

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump's discussion with President Putin. Today, Putin is on

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<v Speaker 4>a mixture, i would say, of a charm offensive, the

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<v Speaker 4>back channel with the First Lady, which has freed eight

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty thousand children whom Russia has kidnapped, the decision

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<v Speaker 4>by Russia to turn over the JFK files, the assassination

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<v Speaker 4>files roughly three hundred and fifty page document to one

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<v Speaker 4>of our congresswomen, and then Kmtria of the Special Envoy

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<v Speaker 4>for Russia for Foreign Investment, also meeting with US congressman,

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<v Speaker 4>and a charm offensive from him as well on the

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<v Speaker 4>potential for economic opportunities, all while Putin is threatening and

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<v Speaker 4>his senior officials threatening that for giving Ukraine tomahawks would

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<v Speaker 4>be a dangerous move of escalation on the part of

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<v Speaker 4>the United States. So Putin is playing his KGB game.

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<v Speaker 4>His objective is to drag this out to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 4>of the fighting season. Once winter sets in, it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a little more difficult for both sides to

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<v Speaker 4>strike one another. At least Ukraine Russia can still launch

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<v Speaker 4>those missiles, but that's what Putin wants. The longer he

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<v Speaker 4>can delay this, whether it takes another high level summit,

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<v Speaker 4>with President Trump, he's prepared to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, that high level meeting will take place.

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<v Speaker 1>They picked the location as Budapest, Hungary, but they haven't

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<v Speaker 1>picked the date. So they have a location. I presume

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<v Speaker 1>the date is going to be coming pretty quickly. But

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<v Speaker 1>in addition to that, President Trump came out today and

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<v Speaker 1>said that he has an agreement with Modi of India

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<v Speaker 1>to have Modi stop buying Russian oil. Here was the president.

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<v Speaker 6>We were not happy with him buying oil from Russia

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<v Speaker 6>because that lets Russia continue on with this ridiculous war.

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<v Speaker 6>I was not happy that India was buying oil, and

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<v Speaker 6>he assured me today that they will not be buying

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<v Speaker 6>oil from Russia.

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<v Speaker 4>It's helpful, it's a helpful slow burn on Russia's war economy.

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<v Speaker 4>But remember that Russia is receiving a lot of assistance

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<v Speaker 4>from China, including military equipment that they're using for their drones.

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<v Speaker 4>China's importing Russian oil. I think that it's got to

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<v Speaker 4>be two tracks here. You've got to deal with Russia's economy,

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<v Speaker 4>but you've also got to give Ukraine the means to

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<v Speaker 4>defend themselves. I think that's a good lesson. We learned

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<v Speaker 4>from Gaza and Israel taking the fight to their enemies

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<v Speaker 4>and exhausting Hamas Russia's army is not exhausted, Putin sees

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<v Speaker 4>no reason to stop. And I don't even think that

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump's strong willed ability to cajole and influence senior

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<v Speaker 4>interlocutors and presidents of other countries to see his view.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not that sanguine that it's going to happen if

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<v Speaker 4>passed his prologue.

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<v Speaker 5>It won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, the bresident is trying to put together another peace deal.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of the effort he does here in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, all these various programs that he wants to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and the pushback, whether it's ICE or whether it's National Guard,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's laying off federal employees. Federal judges are coming

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<v Speaker 1>out from all angles. See all agents, all of the

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<v Speaker 1>ICE officers involved in the Chicago immigration operations. They've been

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<v Speaker 1>ordered that they must wear body cams. Another federal judge

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<v Speaker 1>said that they cannot use non lethal weapons like pepper balls.

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<v Speaker 1>Another federal judge said that, yeah, he cannot fire any

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<v Speaker 1>of the federal employees that are sitting at home. And

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<v Speaker 1>it forgive me, but I thought that the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>said that federal judges can't do blanket national injunctions, that

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<v Speaker 1>they can only operate within their federal reserve district. Even

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<v Speaker 1>Elie Hone, who hangs out on the left side of

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<v Speaker 1>the aisle, former federal prosecutor, he's thinking that these judges

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<v Speaker 1>are not going to be successful.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, Penn, this judge already made clear that she had

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<v Speaker 7>concerns about the legality of the tactics being used by

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<v Speaker 7>ICE to police these protesters. Last week, this federal judge

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<v Speaker 7>in the Northern District of Illinois issued in order saying

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<v Speaker 7>that ICE is not to use non lethal projectiles like

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<v Speaker 7>this area. Now what's happened today is the judge has said, well,

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<v Speaker 7>I've seen media reports since then that suggests my order

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<v Speaker 7>may not be may not be observed properly by ICE.

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<v Speaker 7>And so now the judge is calling the parties back

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<v Speaker 7>in and has ordered ICE agents to wear body cameras.

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<v Speaker 7>I think the response we're going to hear from the administration.

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<v Speaker 7>First of all, we know the administration has taken issue

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<v Speaker 7>with some of the media images claims they're misleading or

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<v Speaker 7>not in proper context. But I think the larger issue

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<v Speaker 7>and response we're going to hear from the administration is

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<v Speaker 7>this exceeds a judge's authority. A judge cannot micro manage

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<v Speaker 7>the field operations of dozens or hundreds of ICE agents.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think that's the argument that's going to play

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<v Speaker 7>out in front of this judge. The judge wants to

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<v Speaker 7>have the parties back in court within a week in

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<v Speaker 7>order to work this out.

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<v Speaker 8>All right, Whitney Wild Ali Janek, thanks so much, Wolf,

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<v Speaker 8>and just.

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<v Speaker 1>Ahead got the feeling that this particular judge that he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about did not get the memo on the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that you're not in charge. You're supposed to interpret the law.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can't say that they have to wear green shoelaces.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't get down into the nitty gritty details of

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<v Speaker 1>how they go about the process. If the judge thinks

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<v Speaker 1>that all of the ICE operations are illegal, then rule

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<v Speaker 1>that way. But the idea of saying you can't do this,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that, you have to wear a body camera,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't use these types of non lethal weapons, it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting kind of bizarre. So there's a lot again everything

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen with the Trump administration. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of pushback and the federal judges I thought got slapped

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<v Speaker 1>down by the Supreme Court. Apparently that's not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also getting news as we're recording this that there

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<v Speaker 1>was a bill to fund the military. Since the shutdown,

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<v Speaker 1>paychecks were supposed to go out yesterday to federal employees,

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<v Speaker 1>including the military, and the President and others have said, oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to make sure and get some funds from

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<v Speaker 1>the Defense, from the War Department and pay the military. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a vote on that in the Senate today

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<v Speaker 1>and it was it failed. It was an individual bill,

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<v Speaker 1>eight hundred and fifty two billion dollar bill that the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate Democrats block that would fund the Defense Department through

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<v Speaker 1>September next year. It was a litmus test to see

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<v Speaker 1>about Democrats who would vote for it, who was not.

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<v Speaker 1>Three Democrats did go along with the Republicans. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Jean Shaheen of New Hampshire, Senator John Fetterman from Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 1>and Senator Catherine Cortes Mastow of Nevada. But the bill

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<v Speaker 1>fell ten votes short of advancing, which means that they

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<v Speaker 1>are sticking to their guns and not going to agree

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<v Speaker 1>unless the Republicans agree to spend the one and a

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<v Speaker 1>half trillion dollars on Obamacare subsidies that were temporary that

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<v Speaker 1>were put into place during COVID. So the military is

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where things start to get more interesting

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing that really you want to get ticked

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<v Speaker 1>off about this Congress still gets paid. Members of Congress

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<v Speaker 2>Terry does not.

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<v Speaker 1>He says the incentive is all backwards. They should continue

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<v Speaker 1>the productivity of federal employees, but not their fault. The

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that should not get paid, not only now,

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<v Speaker 1>but also never make a financial hardship for the people

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<v Speaker 1>that are actually running the show. So last night there

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<v Speaker 1>was a town hall I don't even know network. AOC

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a little bit from the town hall left.

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<v Speaker 8>So it sounds like you're call on hickem Jefferies and

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<v Speaker 4>Think I think I believe that I do believe in

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<v Speaker 1>She's much nice of them. Are you speaking directly to Hickiem,

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferies and Chuck Schumer when you deliver that message? Sure,

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<v Speaker 9>Well, look, it is two things.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, Alexandrew's right, he's a Democratic nominee. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you not support the Democratic? But more and boy, are

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<v Speaker 1>we gonna support He's a great candidate. There should be

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<v Speaker 1>the model. Yeah, that was Bernie saying that he's the

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<v Speaker 1>Of course you're supposed to support him. Yet Karl Rope

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<v Speaker 1>points out that Bernie Sanders is a hypocrite because of

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<v Speaker 1>against Democrats time after time after time. Here's Carl Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the hypocrisy. Bernie has run for the US

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<v Speaker 1>House in Vermont eight times, and four times there was

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<v Speaker 1>four times, always as an independent. The first time around,

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<v Speaker 1>the Democrat party endorsed him and he accepted the endorsement.

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<v Speaker 1>The next three times that he ran up to including

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat. So this is not a guy who can

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<v Speaker 1>lecture about party loyalty. If you need to support the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party nominee, why did four times he run as

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<v Speaker 1>an independent against the Democratic nominee in the state of Vermont.

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<v Speaker 1>So please, Bernie, don't be a hypocrite. It really doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>look good on you. So Mark Short, who was chief

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<v Speaker 1>of staff to former Vice President Mike Pence, and Megan Hayes,

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<v Speaker 1>who speaks for the Democrats. They went back and forth

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<v Speaker 1>on this and they basically that Bernie and AOC are

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<v Speaker 10>But I think the energy for the Democrat Party is

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<v Speaker 10>with AOC and Bernie and Mamdani. I think that's one

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<v Speaker 10>of President Trump's gifts is he creates a foil on

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<v Speaker 10>the other side that attracts the most radical elements of

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<v Speaker 10>their party. But you know, to your bigger conversations. You

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<v Speaker 10>remember in twenty eighteen during the midterms, a lot of

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<v Speaker 10>Democrats with campaigns saying they would not vote for Pelosi

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<v Speaker 10>for speaker. Well, once she won twenty eighteen, they all

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<v Speaker 10>voted for And I think it's be the same dynamic

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<v Speaker 10>with Jeffries. It's like if he wins the midterms, then

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<v Speaker 10>the fall in line. In the same way with Fetterman

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<v Speaker 10>up in Pennsylvania. If they're winning, they're going to stick

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of surprising because Meghan Hayes speaks for the Democrats

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<v Speaker 1>and the idea about John Fetterman, there's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats that are trying to primary him. Megan Hayes weighs

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<v Speaker 8>It's reason why I think Democrats would be careful what

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<v Speaker 8>they wish for. I think that there's a couple of

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<v Speaker 8>things going on here Fetterman. I think people are very

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<v Speaker 8>concerned about his health, and I think that it's smart

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<v Speaker 8>to have a bench. It's smart to get these people

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<v Speaker 8>ready to go if he chooses not to run for

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<v Speaker 8>reelection in twenty eight, which is a long time away

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<v Speaker 8>from now. But I also do think that we can't

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<v Speaker 8>split this. We can't split the state. We cannot have

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<v Speaker 8>to keep that Senate seat, and we need to win

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<v Speaker 1>So back to Zora and Mondani. He was on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>News yesterday. He was asked things like, well, what's your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion of Hamas? And literally, this is the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>is so anti Israel, and he says, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an opinion on Hamas. You know, he didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to answer the question. It was crazy. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things he's still pushing for free buses and free grocery

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<v Speaker 1>stores and a variety of things. Here's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of that interview where he turned to the gamera and

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<v Speaker 5>I want to take this moment because you spoke about

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<v Speaker 5>President Trump, and he may be watching right now, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to speak directly to the President, which

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<v Speaker 5>is that I I will not be a mayor like

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<v Speaker 5>Mayor Adams, who will call you to figure out how

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<v Speaker 5>to stay out of jail. I won't be a disgraced

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<v Speaker 5>governor like Andrew Cuomo who will call you to ask

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<v Speaker 5>how to win this election. I can do those things

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<v Speaker 5>on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is going to be terrible for the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Party to have as there as a symbol of

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<v Speaker 1>their future the mayor of New York who says free

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<v Speaker 1>buses and free this and free that and weird stuff

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<v Speaker 1>on the left. This is not going to sell in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not going to sell in most of America. In

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<v Speaker 1>flyover country, they're not going to respond well to either

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<v Speaker 1>AOC running for the US Senate or Mom Dami becoming

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<v Speaker 1>mayor of New York. And let's remember all, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about enthusiasm. New York has four point seven million voters,

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<v Speaker 1>three point one million of them are Democrats. Mandabi won

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen percent of the registered Democrats turned out and voted

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<v Speaker 1>for him, and ten percent of New York voters voted

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<v Speaker 1>for him in the primary season. So really, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>has got a lot of enthusiasm. He went out of

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<v Speaker 1>every six Democrats voted for him in the City of

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck with that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's going to be a counter reaction to him as

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<v Speaker 1>campaigning by promising all this free stuff and a government

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<v Speaker 1>takeover and anti wealth and so forth. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't live in New York, I know you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>What do I care? But the idea of Democrats socialism

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<v Speaker 1>is spreading and it's becoming more popular maybe, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why the tests. See how he's going to do in

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<v Speaker 1>the Marya's race, which is coming up here in just

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks the election will be held, And

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<v Speaker 1>the same with Bernie and same with AOC. They are

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<v Speaker 1>where the energy of the Democrat Party is right now,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see how much how many Democrats really do

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<v Speaker 1>support them when push comes to show. Go back to Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. And the effort to wipe out crime. The

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<v Speaker 1>President brought in troops. I think some of them are

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<v Speaker 1>still there because it's a federal district. And the question

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<v Speaker 1>of the day is how's that going. Because there was

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<v Speaker 1>a case that became kind of the cause celeb A

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<v Speaker 1>and robbed not that far from the Capitol building, and

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<v Speaker 1>the people that were involved in that were arrested. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out where they were given probation. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is something that you can bring in all the soldiers

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<v Speaker 1>and troops and police and everything else. But the City

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<v Speaker 1>Council of Washington, d C. Has passed all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>you get some people that are willing to enforce the laws,

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<v Speaker 1>crime will continue. Jim Trusty, former prosecutor, federal prosecutor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he talks about this.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, Well, just remember Mark Twain said, there's lies day

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<v Speaker 11>analyzed and statistics, so you can look at things like

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<v Speaker 11>the DC murder rate and say it's way up or

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<v Speaker 11>way down, depending on exactly where you use your starting point.

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<v Speaker 11>That's part of the mischief of the politicians interpreting these numbers.

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<v Speaker 11>But look, the FBI, that's a legitimate victory lap. The

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<v Speaker 11>FBI has really changed course to emphasize heavily violent crime.

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<v Speaker 11>They've had for years these task forces called Safe Streets

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<v Speaker 11>been fairly successful. More maybe a modest effort to spread

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<v Speaker 11>out into violent crime by the FBI, but the task

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<v Speaker 11>force approach is obviously on steroids right now. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>You can have an.

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<v Speaker 11>Influx of federal agencies that are real force multipliers that

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<v Speaker 11>work with the locals who know the players, that bring

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<v Speaker 11>different tools from DEA, from ICE, from FBI to have

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<v Speaker 11>very successful results. I live that as the Chief Organized

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<v Speaker 11>Crime and Gangs for seven years. That was by far

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<v Speaker 11>the locals who really know the streets and know the players.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a you know, there's always room.

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<v Speaker 11>To question the stats, but it's a pretty legitimate victory

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<v Speaker 11>lap and you look at the overall numbers. Yeah, Look,

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<v Speaker 11>I think there's a big disconnect between the political figures,

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<v Speaker 11>political figures, they kind of have to. Those are their bosses.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, if you're the superintendent of the state police

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<v Speaker 11>lot of high level political claims that we don't need

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<v Speaker 11>any help, everything's fine. But I think when you really

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<v Speaker 11>the neighborhoods where they live more than anywhere else. There's

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<v Speaker 11>a lot of I think quiet support, quiet relief when

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<v Speaker 1>What I've been talking about is that police departments. There

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<v Speaker 1>sheriffs generally almost everywhere, maybe it's one hundred percent. They

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<v Speaker 1>They answer to their constituents. Police chiefs they are appointed

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<v Speaker 1>Janein Piro, who is the US attorney for DC, this

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<v Speaker 1>goes back a couple of weeks some must I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the exact date on her, but she was all

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated because of the fact that again the city council

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<v Speaker 1>and the judges are not holding these youthful offenders that

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<v Speaker 1>beat the tar out of this guy, not holding them

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<v Speaker 1>to any sort of repercussion. The people that beat this

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<v Speaker 1>kid got probated. You're Jeanine Piro.

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<v Speaker 9>Young criminals in d C have been emboldened to commit

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<v Speaker 9>crimes because they believe that they're not accountable. And why

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<v Speaker 9>do they believe that? Because they are not accountable. We've

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<v Speaker 9>got a DC a counsel that has passed laws that

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<v Speaker 9>make it almost impossible for me, as both federal prosecutor

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<v Speaker 9>and kind of quasi local prosecutor to be able to

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<v Speaker 9>incarcerate these kids. If you shoot someone with a gun

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<v Speaker 9>in DC and you're up to nineteen years of age,

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<v Speaker 9>I can't even indicte you.

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<v Speaker 1>It brings me back to again. You can send in

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<v Speaker 1>all the National Guard, you can send in all the

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<v Speaker 1>police that you want to do, but you need the

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<v Speaker 1>judges to also be tough on crime.

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<v Speaker 11>Back to Jim Trust, Well, she's actually pretty spot on

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<v Speaker 11>in terms of the system.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 11>Juvenile court. The whole concept is kind of a noble one.

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<v Speaker 11>It started, believe it or not, around nineteen hundred in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 11>of all places. But the idea is young offenders are

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<v Speaker 11>more accepting the possibility of rehabilitation. If we don't just

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<v Speaker 11>throw them in prison, if we try to keep them

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<v Speaker 11>from becoming adult offenders, we can have some success. That's

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<v Speaker 11>a great idea, and there are services that you can

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<v Speaker 11>render that will deter some young offenders from going down

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<v Speaker 11>that path. The problem in DC is a couple of things.

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<v Speaker 11>The DC Superior Court is notoriously soft on everybody. When

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<v Speaker 11>you add in the juvenile court emphasis on rehabilitation, these

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<v Speaker 11>guys get multiple free passes. You have a horribly violent event,

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<v Speaker 11>like a good Samaritan being beaten senseless by a mob

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<v Speaker 11>of twelve or thirteen people doing a carjacking, and they

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<v Speaker 11>get nine months probation. And the problem is if they

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<v Speaker 11>come back or if they violate that probation, they're not

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<v Speaker 11>going to get much more. So you have to come

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<v Speaker 11>up with a system that either allows for waiver to

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<v Speaker 11>adult court more freely, or at least has more regular,

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<v Speaker 11>sustained consequences, including detention for people that are doing violent

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<v Speaker 11>crime at young ages. And believe me, the gangs know

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<v Speaker 11>the young guys don't get punished. That's why they make

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<v Speaker 11>them do the worst stuff. I'll give you another one.

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<v Speaker 11>This is a little bit different topic, but I saw

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<v Speaker 11>this come across last night that the City of Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 11>I'm sorry, the County of Los Angeles, the officials there,

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<v Speaker 11>voted yesterday to declare a state of emergency, and I thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 11>what's the state of emergency. About the state of emergency

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<v Speaker 11>is that they're going to provide money for residents that

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<v Speaker 11>say that they have suffered financially from ongoing federal immigration raids.

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<v Speaker 11>LA County Board of Supervisors voted to allow rent relief

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<v Speaker 11>for tenants who have fallen behind as a result of

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<v Speaker 11>a crackdown on immigration. And I don't know. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 11>to figure out now, how does the crackdown on illegals

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<v Speaker 11>in your city affect your ability to pay rent unless

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<v Speaker 11>the breadwinner for your home or your apartment happens to

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<v Speaker 11>be illegal and is now gone. That's the only thing

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<v Speaker 11>I can think of. So they're going to give taxpayer

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<v Speaker 11>money to pay have people pay their rent that our

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<v Speaker 11>families of illegals is the best that I can get

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<v Speaker 11>from all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of crazy out there. One more for you.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court yesterday had a hearing on the Voting

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<v Speaker 1>Right Act, the Voting Rights Act that was passed in

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<v Speaker 1>back in the nineteen sixties, I think nineteen sixty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Johnson was the president. He signed it into law,

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil Rights Act, and then the Voting Rights Act

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<v Speaker 1>came along. The Voting Rights Act was to basically make

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<v Speaker 1>it so that Southern states who had drawn redistrict team

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<v Speaker 1>lines to make sure that blacks did not have any

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<v Speaker 1>voting power, even if they would allow them to register

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<v Speaker 1>to vote, which was a thing back then. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>the same today. And so the question is is the

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<v Speaker 1>Voting Rights Act still applicable that the federal government gets

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<v Speaker 1>to say how redistricting lot lines are drawn for various

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<v Speaker 1>states that don't look anything like the populations that they

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<v Speaker 1>had in nineteen sixty five. It's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>the hearing yesterday with the Justice Kavanaugh talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>people that were in front of the bit.

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<v Speaker 2>This Court's cases in a variety of contacts have said

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<v Speaker 2>that race based remedies are permissible for a period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes for a long period of time decades in some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>but that they should not be indefinite and should have

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<v Speaker 2>an endpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's John You weighing in on this case before the

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 12>I think he is right. I think you can see

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<v Speaker 12>that this view is motivating the sixth Conservative justices the Court.

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<v Speaker 12>Here's the basic issue. The Constitution bans the government from

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<v Speaker 12>ever using race it caused. It wants all of us

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<v Speaker 12>to treat each other the same, regardless of our skin, collar, race,

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<v Speaker 12>national origin, religion, and so on. We allow deviations from

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<v Speaker 12>that core principle to just make up for past sins,

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<v Speaker 12>for the government's use of race and segregation in the South,

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<v Speaker 12>for so many years, or for slavery before that, And

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<v Speaker 12>what just Kavanaugh is asking is when does that end.

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<v Speaker 12>It's sixty years later now, since the Voting Rights Act

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<v Speaker 12>of nineteen sixty five. It's been sixty years since the

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<v Speaker 12>government has forced states to try to use race to

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<v Speaker 12>create these what are called majority minority districts to increase

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<v Speaker 12>the number of minorities who actually get elected to Congress.

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<v Speaker 12>But that's got to come to an end. It's not

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<v Speaker 12>going to be and it shouldn't be under the Constitution

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<v Speaker 12>ever permanent. And the Court's been making that clear in

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<v Speaker 12>other areas, like the Harvard case where it said no

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<v Speaker 12>more use of race and college. I think that campaign

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<v Speaker 12>for a color blind constitution will continue here and the

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<v Speaker 12>Court will say no more use of race when states

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<v Speaker 12>draw congressional districts either. I am sure the Justices when

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<v Speaker 12>they decide this case don't care and won't look at

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<v Speaker 12>what the effects on the midterm maps may be. Now,

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<v Speaker 12>what's been going on note is that these states, in

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<v Speaker 12>order to create these majority minority districts, have done what's

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<v Speaker 12>called crack and pac They've packed minority voters into tight

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<v Speaker 12>districts on the assumption they'll vote for a black or

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<v Speaker 12>Hispanic or even Asian candidate, which I think, by the way,

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<v Speaker 12>is offensive because it assumes that people of one race

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<v Speaker 12>will vote for people of the same race when they

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<v Speaker 12>vote for office. What will happen, I think if this

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<v Speaker 12>practice ends, is that there will be more minorities spread

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<v Speaker 12>out into more districts. That might make more districts competitive

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<v Speaker 12>in the long run between Republicans and Democrats, even though

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<v Speaker 12>in the short run it might lead to less Democrats

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<v Speaker 12>in the House. I think is the pernicious view of

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<v Speaker 12>the Voting Rights Act and the fifteenth Amendment that this

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<v Speaker 12>cause has adopted is the idea that because I have

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<v Speaker 12>a skin color or you have a skin color, you

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<v Speaker 12>think you're only represented by people who look like you.

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<v Speaker 12>What if you want to be represented by people who

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<v Speaker 12>share your interests instead. Suppose I want to vote for

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<v Speaker 12>someone as my view on tax policy or foreign affairs

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<v Speaker 12>or Israel, Why does race and skin color have anything

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<v Speaker 12>to do with your view or my view on policy

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<v Speaker 12>issues are? And I think that's what the court wants

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<v Speaker 12>to end. The Court wants to end the practice of

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<v Speaker 12>the government assuming that you and I have certain views

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<v Speaker 12>and think a certain way just because of our skin color.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a hot button Supreme Court case that they

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<v Speaker 1>heard yesterday, and of course we won't know what their

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<v Speaker 1>decision is until late May or June of next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Streek today selling off again. A lot of nervousness

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<v Speaker 1>about are we in a bubble market? Today fell three,

567
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<v Speaker 1>the Dow fell three hundred and one down to forty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand, nine to fifty two, SMP down forty two,

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<v Speaker 1>Nazdack down one hundred and seven. Wow, look at gold

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<v Speaker 1>up one. I've never seen this. One hundred and forty

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<v Speaker 1>two dollars announce up one hundred and forty two to

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<v Speaker 1>four thousand, three hundred and forty four. Price of oil.

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow dollar, it's all the way down now to fifty

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<v Speaker 1>seven dollars for a barrel of oil. So thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for coming by today. That's it for this Thursday. We

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<v Speaker 1>will try this again tomorrow. I hope to see them
