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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You Were

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Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of The Federalist

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and David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just

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as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show,

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please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. So, Mollie,

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I'm listening to Donald Trump and Joe Rogan's podcast, and

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all of a sudden, I hear the former president of

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the United States bring up Molly Hemingway and what an

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excellent and smart writer she is. Were you surprised when

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you heard that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I was at an event out in Seattle the

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night that it was released, and my phone kind of

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started lighting up immediately, and it has continued to the

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point that my nephew was texting me in the wee

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hours of the morning because he had just listened to

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it last night. So I wasn't surprised by the time

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I listened to it, but I was shocked at how

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much reach that podcast has. I've heard from high school friends,

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tons of family members, cousins, you know, people at church,

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former longtime former colleagues, neighbors. There really is a difference

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when you're on something like that with that many listeners.

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I don't know how many listeners that is, but it

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obviously it's the most popular podcast in the world or

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the country, and definitely has broad reach.

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Speaker 1: It has a wider reach than any news show or

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you know, sixty minutes or anything like that. I mean,

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it's hard, I think for our generation and people are

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older than us for sure, to wrap their heads around

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that fact. But I think it is true.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So Nate Cavanaugh at The Federalist was saying that

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he gets such a kick out of how whenever you

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talk to an older person. I think he was talking

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about me, But whenever you talk to him about an

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older person or a boomer, they always say, I don't

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have time for a three hour podcast, which is totally

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something I say all the time.

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Speaker 1: I was literally going to say that, and.

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Speaker 2: He's like, and then they complain about how the kids

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don't have any attention span. I was like, Oh, that's

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kind of a good point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I just it's difficult for me to

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listen to a three hour podcast about that's just this

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roving all over the place conversation. But I can't say

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I listened to every minute of it. But I saw

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tons of highlights. I guess, did you sit down and

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listen to the whole three hours?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, as I mentioned, I was in Seattle. So

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Saturday morning, I had to fly back from Seattle, which

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was a beautiful flight. I had a window seat and

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I got to see our beautiful country. But that's like

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a five plus hour flight. So a three hour podcast

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is actually the exact right thing to do for that.

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And so yeah, I listened to it. I didn't realize

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it was I'm such a lot of that I did. Like,

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I had to have Mark before I even headed out

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to Seattle, explained to me how to connect my headphones

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to my phone.

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Speaker 1: You know, so I didn't have air pods or whatever

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you connect.

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Speaker 2: I don't like those it, so I have like the

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you know, these big jbl things. And I did not

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realize that you could watch the podcast on Spotify. I

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thought you could only listen to it. So it's like

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it took me two hours before I realized I could

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actually be watching it as well as listening to it.

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Speaker 1: And I just learned about this myself.

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Speaker 2: That I was laughing so hard. I was laughing so

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hard that I thought my seat mates must be wondering

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what's wrong with me because there were just some funny lines.

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Speaker 1: He is an entertaining fella, for sure. I mean I

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see all these clips and he's I think he's probably

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the funniest major presidential candidate we've ever had. But anyway,

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so I saw it. Look just quickly want to say

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I saw Joe Rogan mentioned today that he had sent

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an invitation to Kamala Harrison. They were in talks to

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do it, but she only wanted to do an hour,

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which on that show is like just scrape, you know,

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the scraping the surface or the introduction part of the podcast.

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I don't think she could survive three hours speaking off

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the cuff in that way, in any kind of coherent way.

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But do you think, what do you think of the podcast?

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Does it have an effect, does it matter? Did he

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help himself? What do you think?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I actually think this might be the most

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important moment of the campaign, was this three hour podcast.

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I have so many convoluted thoughts, so just bear with me.

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I was I feel like I might have mentioned this

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to you before that. Nicole Shanahan, the RFK vice presidential

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running mate, had said that when she saw Donald Trump

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on previous long form podcasts, that it had completely changed

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of the man, and that she was just shocked to

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see how generous he was with the hosts or with

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the other guests, and how inquisitive and thoughtful, and that

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he answered questions, like even tough questions about say the

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twenty twenty election, so much better when he was in

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these types of environments that he does when he's in

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these like cartoonishly hostile interviews with corporate media. And I

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feel like i know Donald Trump pretty well, not super well,

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but I've interviewed him so many times. I've spent time

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with him. I've even had some really interesting conversations with him.

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And that Joe Rogan podcast was different than anything I

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had ever seen. And one of our listeners had sent

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me a note saying, Rogan just gave the largest earned

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media donation in history. This is so great. You have

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to praise this to High Heaven next week. Molly. By

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the way, this person is a former never Trumper and

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very well educated person. He says, Rogan is himself. He

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has a point of view. He's not a pushover, but

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he is not a jerk. I have never heard Trump

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speak this way ever, this stand up comedian Jiu Jitsu

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moron from Fear Factor just showed up the entire US

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media for my entire lifetime. I wish Kamala would go

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on We deserve to hear from her for three hours too.

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And he just specifically was saying Trump is not right

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about everything, but who had Trump knows more about President

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McKinley than I do on his bingo card. He's not

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a caricature anymore. After this, this is the most important

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thing that has happened since twenty fifteen, no joke. And

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then another thing. He's not correct about every jot and

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tittle of what he says, but he shows much more

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capacity to speak expansively about world affairs than anyone, even

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the most MAGA would have suspected. It was Nixon Esque

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in the good sense. So I then was telling this

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person about a friend of mine who was a Clinton

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voter in twenty sixteen and a Biden voter in twenty twenty,

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and she just voted for Trump. And she was saying

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that one of the reasons why she had not voted

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for Trump in twenty sixteen is she just thought, I

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can't vote for someone who hasn't read a book, which

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is not an unfair analysis of what it seemed like.

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Donald Trump has written more books than he has read.

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and you hear him speaking so expansively on policy issues,

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on history, you know, on previous presidents and the meaning

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of different things that happened in American history, it's like

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this is Donald Trump. Like he's still Donald Trump, but

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it's just a completely different side to him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I you know, I don't want to argue with you.

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Speaker 2: Why not? I mean, I do the show is wrong

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is to argue.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what I mean is that you can listen

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to that, and I probably would. They probably listened to

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an hour of the three, right, I just took out

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some of the more stuff I was interested in. I

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would say this. Everyone reacts to an interview differently and

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sees things differently because they have different concerns about the guy,

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right or whatever. But I feel like I read and

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listened to his Bloomberg interview, which was also kind of long,

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not three hours or anything, but he got into some

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economic stuff, and the idea that he knows anything about

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McKinley is a joke just because he's saying stuff doesn't

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make it true, Okay, and what he said was ridiculous,

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but that's his tariff stuff. It's never going to change.

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I think that Trump is just much better at retail

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politics than any politician I've seen in a long time,

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and meaning also that he can sit down with someone

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and have a wide ranging conversation and be funny and

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engaging in a way that guarded politicians can't, and that

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because he is not guarded at all. So on that front,

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I think it's true. I think it humanized him. That's

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a stupid way to say it, but they do dehumanize

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him in a way for you younger voters probably who listened

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to show assumed the demographics are relatively young. I don't know,

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so yeah, I think it shows that he is also

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willing to stand and answer some tough questions, which Kamala

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rarely is, and when she answers them in a way

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that's crazy, they just edit it for her. So I

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can't do that. On Rogan, I think it would have

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been a disaster for her to go on there. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: I actually don't. I'm not sure if I agree with that.

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I wonder if a three hour sit down or even

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a two hour sit down with Rogan or Kamala might

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have gotten her out of this weird place she is.

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much about what to say and what not to say,

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and maybe a long form Joe Rogan, what did my

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friend call him? Like the jiu jitsu moron. He's a

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really good interviewer. He handled Trump really well. He pressed him,

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he moved him on, but he was polite. It was

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a friendly environment, I think. And he said, I just

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want to sit down with Kamala and just talk to

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her as a person. I think there's a hunger for

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that in America, to just see what is she like

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as a person. In a sense, we have no idea

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at all, and maybe that kind of interview would help.

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Speaker 1: But the inherent assumption there is that she is actually

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bright and just hiding her and just unsure of herself.

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and I don't think people like her personality on top

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of that, so it's not helpful for her to have

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an expansive discussion with someone who asks good questions.

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Speaker 2: So Joe Rogan has a ton of people who fit

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these descriptions on his show, and he still has interesting interviews.

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he does well is that he kind of matches the

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subject where they are.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't This is not a dig at him,

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it's a dig at her. I just don't think this

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is If I was her campaign manager, I would let

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her sit down for three hours with someone who's going

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to ask you a question.

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Speaker 2: I get why they're I totally get why they're not

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doing it. I would be terrified of it too. But

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I'm trying to make a bigger point here too, which

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is Donald Trump didn't do sixty minutes this year. And

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he didn't do it because sixty minutes is a joke

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of a news program. CBS is a joke of a

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news organization, and most importantly, CBS no longer controls the discourse.

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You can go on CBS get listened to by a

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few million people, or you can go on Joe Rogan

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for three hours and get listened to by like fifty

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million people. And in a few days and back to

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the boomer comment that Nate Kavanaugh was saying, We are

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a much stupider country in many ways than we were

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a while back. But you learn about how in those

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Lincoln Douglas debates they were just going on for hours

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and people were really getting a feel for each candidate

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and their strengths. Wouldn't it be great if we could

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you know, obviously it's not going to happen this time,

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but in four years you have jd Vance and Gavin

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Newsom both sitting down together, maybe with nobody, I think

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ideally with nobody and just talking for three hours in

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a wide ranging discussion where you see what they think

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about policy issues and they kind of dig into it

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with each other. That is the future of debate and discourse,

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I think, because we cannot survive more of this insane media,

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out of context clipping, deceptive editing, gotcha questions for one side,

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puff questions for another, like we cannot do it anymore.

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Corporate media. I think may may, It'll take some work

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here in the next four years, but they may have

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killed themselves this cycle. Joe Rogan might have helped kill them,

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along with an army of other podcasters on left and right,

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and that will be very good for the country.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they if they killed them, I'll

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talk about or if you want it, we can talk

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about now the whole endorsement controversy and the lack of endorsements.

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a step back. The Washington Post decided not to endorse

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for president. Now I want to stress here they didn't

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endorse Donald Trump. They just decided not to endorse. That's one.

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decided that as well. So there was just a massive meltdown. Now,

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the massive meltdown happens because I believe many of these

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people have convinced themselves that Donald Trump is an actual Nazi,

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and that Republicans are actual fascists, and that they're going

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to do all these horrible things kill women. On Morning

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Joe Miko at Brazinski is that her name? Brazinski said

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that Trump was already killing women. Every woman's life is

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on the line here especially.

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Speaker 2: That's not hyperbole, that's not exaggeration.

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Speaker 1: That was Nicole Wallace said that. Oh sorry, yeah, she said.

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kind of just over the top insane stuff. People have

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convinced themselves. So if you believe that someone's Hitler and

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then the paper you work for doesn't endorse against Hitler,

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it's very upsetting for you. So a few people quit,

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though I have to point out some of them quit

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the editorial board. They didn't actually step down from their jobs,

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which is, you know, not exactly the bravery, it seems.

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Robert Kagan, who always is calling him Donald Trump a

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Speaker 2: Something, you know, NaNs who want to go to war.

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Speaker 1: Confused, so he stepped down. But then I looked into it.

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He wrote two pieces this year, so it's not exactly.

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Speaker 2: He was the only person who stepped down whose name

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I noticed. I don't obviously, I don't read the Washington Post.

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have a good column or will I will seek out

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Jason Willock. I will admit that, but they must have

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a massive editorial team. But they said, oh no, they

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said three people on the editorial board stepped down, and

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all three were names I had literally never heard.

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Speaker 1: Of Well, one name that didn't step down is Jennifer Rubin,

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who is cheering on a bunch of other people who

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did step down at the Los Angeles Times. She is

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just she's a piece of work. But you know, and

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a friend of mine a texting is like, why even

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give her attention? Why She's got like a million followers.

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biggest papers in the country in Washington, the Capitol, and

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she has a big voice. And I read a story

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that the Biden administration listens to her or whatever. So

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why wouldn't we go after her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a very big person on the left and

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they view her as a thought leader, and so as

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terrifying as that is, you do need to listen or

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you do need to deal with it. I always think

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it's not Jen Ruben, it's the Washington Post that's the problem.

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Jen Rubin is clearly not mentally well, she's clearly not

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able to you know, she's one of these people who

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will switch one hundred and eighty degrees from her old

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positions in defense of her new friends, the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: And then not explain them at all.

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Speaker 2: Even onlike israel I mean, she is there's no issue

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that she will not change her mind on for her

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political friends.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how she was to say, it's.

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Speaker 2: The Washington Post that's responsible there. Of course she is

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who she is. You should not employ people like that.

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You should help them get the help they need, yes,

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but you should not employ them.

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Speaker 1: So she was the same way. If you remember when

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she was in when she loved Mitt Romney more than

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anyone has ever loved Mitt Romney, right, So I remember this.

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It was im I thought Mitt Romney would be a

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fine president, but the way what she was doing was

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just embarrassing. And I remember speaking to liberal columnists or

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left wing columnists that when we still spoke was at

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the Washington Post, you know, saying that, you know, the

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whole staff is embarrassed. Are they embarrassed now about what

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she does know? Because it was only about you know,

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who you're acting, you know, like an unhinged lunatic four

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So yeah, that's embarrassing. You know, she's sort of I

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think someone at the La Times quit and she was like,

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that's so brave.

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Speaker 2: This is the way, you know, And yeah, someone at

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the La Times quit when their owner said, we're not endorsing.

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She said, she praised that person in the high heavens.

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She said, this is absolutely what you have to do.

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And then when her boss did it, when her owner

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did it. She's just been tweeting little resistance memes and

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things like that. She's she's clearly clinging to this Washington

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Post job, desperately and bitterly.

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Speaker 1: So. I mean, I just mentioned the Jeff Bezos column

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that he wrote explaining why where. I think it was

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a good piece. I think he explained himself very well.

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I think I was on an editorial board and we

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used to endorse for the presidency, and I thought it

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was kind of dumb. But I think it even means

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less now. That was maybe more than ten years, you know,

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years ago or whatever. I think endorsements are important in

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a newspaper in smaller races or amendment issues or things

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where the normal voter might not be educated on it, right,

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I think that's fine. I don't really think they're necessary

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at all, but whatever, but the presidency, He's right. No

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one in Pennsylvania's like, whoa the Washington Post endorsed Kamala Harris.

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Now we have to vote for her, no one, not

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one person, and it just hurts the paper in the

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long run. Though. One last thing, the idea that I

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don't know where the Washington Post already stands is cuckoo right.

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Every story is biased. They're one of Pulitzer for the

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Russia collusion stuff. They are not a dependable paper anymore.

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They're economic writers are ridiculous. I don't know. So even

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they're at a they have Max Boot and Jen Rubin,

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it's not you know, they have holdovers like George will

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have crowdhammer. It was amazing, But now, I mean, everyone

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knows where they stand.

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Speaker 2: So I think if newspaper endorsements ever played a role,

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it was during that era where the news pages were,

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while certainly biased, they were a way of presenting facts

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that everyone could kind of agree on, even if they

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disagreed with the particular bias of the reporter. And a

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lot of reporters didn't actually exhibit bias. And so then

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when the editorial page would say, we've gathered all of

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these facts and information, and we've studied these issues so

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that you don't have to and we say candidate X

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is better than candidate Y on this bond issue or whatever,

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or on this you know thing, or this bond issue

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is good or bad. You kind of took it more

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seriously because they weren't opining in every word of every

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article there. Opining on every article is what the Washington

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Post does now. I mean, they've got a guy who

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works there who's covering MAGA, who wrote a book called

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I Hate Maga. I mean, it's just like Isaac Hnsdorff,

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who is You go through a collection of his articles

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and it's almost funny how biased he is. And incidentally,

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he's married to Liz Deutsch, who was clerking at the

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Supreme Court the year of the Dobbs decision and is

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a pro abortion activist, and he was best friends with

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the reporter who ended up publishing the Dobbs League. So

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this is a partisan family and a real activist family,

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and that's their key reporter on MAGA. I don't think

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people are confused about where Philip Bump, who doesn't know

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where babies are made, incidentally, where he stands on the

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Kamala Harris race. He's another one of their supposed reporters

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and came from like a crazy left wing publication. And

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even though he's been at the Washington Post for years.

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Speaker 1: He's like a union ACTIVISTO.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, every single reporter they have is sharing their endorsement

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every day in every way. We don't really need to know,

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you know, I'm not confused about where Ruth Marcus stands

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well on the race.

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Speaker 1: One of the complaints I think Business mentioned it as well,

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is that a lot of readers don't understand the difference

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between editorial page and the hard reporting. Well, yeah, they

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don't because there is no difference anymore. That's what they

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don't understand it. People are not I mean, most people

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are not idiots. People who read newspapers aren't, you know,

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don't have low IQs. Typically they would understand it if

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there was a difference. But there's so much like Aaron Blake.

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wing guy, but he writes in the rhetoric and drapes

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his writing in a reporter's kind of language, so people

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think he's you know, reporting, but he has an opinion.

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And if you don't make a distinction there, then people

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don't know. I you know, some people are like, well,

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get rid of columnists, just do news. I think columnists

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are actually important I think making argument, synthesizing information, trying

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to give it context was important. But if you're just

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going to be an activist like these people are, then really,

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what's the purpose. Second thing I wanted to mention just

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at the Washington Post is the Washington Post has four

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people that I can think of off the top of

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my head. We're full blown pro Hamas people who worked

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at Al Jazeera, who spread Katari propaganda at the Washington Post.

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If you're not going to do anything about that, I'm

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never going to read you anyway. I only read it

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when I have to.

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Speaker 2: Well. And then on the other side of things, they've

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long been known as being a hub for neo conservatives

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rather than realists and foreign policy, so they're not getting

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good foreign policy discussions in there. And they also think, oh,

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if we're going to hire a so called conservative, it's

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almost always or maybe exclusively, it will be a neo conservative,

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which is kind of dying in the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: But the neo conservatives aren't even conservative in any other

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way anymore. Mexico isn't conservative, Riden isn't conservative.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm thinking of people like a Charles crowd. I'm

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saying I don't mean it.

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Speaker 1: Those are to the people.

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Speaker 2: Who they have I but I just mean that it's

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not totally representative of the country. So I'm thinking of

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a Charles Kroudhammer. I'm thinking of a Marktesen. I actually like,

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you know, a lot of what Mark Tisen writes too,

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but or you know, I think it's interesting and it's

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a really good example of the argument put forth by

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neo cons But Jeff Bezos says he's going to round

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out the columnists there. You can't fill it with people

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who don't represent the actual tens of millions of voters

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in the Republican Party, which is what everyone in media

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has been doing. Oh, we have a right of center person,

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we have Bill Crystal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, how are they going to hire

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a real conservative? Though? Let's say they hire Molly Hemingway.

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And do you think the staff had a melt down

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because they didn't endorse Kamala they endorse Donald Trump's imagine

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they bring it. They can't bring in someone representative who's

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going to represent Trump voters. They just don't see it

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happening again.

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Speaker 2: And I actually think the path to credibility is about

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reforming the so called news organisms I wouldn't let Washington

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Post cross the threshold of my front door because I

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have children. I do not want them to see the

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absolute drivel that is published in the Washington Post or

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just get discouraged by the overwhelming propaganda. They need to

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reform their news side far more than they do the

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editorial side.

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Speaker 1: Do you think they'll make jobs? Is what is sparking

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this string of non endorsements.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So that's what I find interesting. Los Angeles

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Times and everyone says, Oh, it's because the owner's friends

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with Elon and then with Bezos. They say, oh, it's

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because he needs to do it for money reasons. And

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he addressed that in his letter, saying that he actually

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has never stepped in related to his money. USA Today

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did it other papers? I think there was like a

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paper in Florida or somewhere down south to Tampa Bay,

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Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I think that the last people to know about

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the credibility crisis affecting the media history are the reporters

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who you trust to report the news and be on

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top of reality. They have steadfastly refused to deal with

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any of their credibility problems. And I think that there

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are these threats. I mean, Jeff Bezos was the worst

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part of his letter was when he disparaged alternate media

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and podcasts and social media, because it just seemed elitist

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and stupid. But he does understand that people aren't getting

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their news and information from Washington Post anymore. The only

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thing they're getting is affirmation of their left wing values,

477
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and that's not a way to be able to sell

478
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advertising long into the future. Perhaps perhaps, I mean, it's

479
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worked for the New York Times the Washington Post very

480
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well for the last ten to fifty years. But I

481
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think that they are I wonder if Elon showing courage

482
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,960
about free speech and caring about the country that some

483
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,319
of these other wealthy people are saying, we're hurting the country.

484
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So I don't know if that has anything to do

485
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with what's going on. I'm actually somewhat confused. It's not

486
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,119
sufficient that one owner of one paper says, you know,

487
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,640
it seems to realize the credibility crisis with employees. We

488
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,039
need it, We need so much more. And the response

489
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from the Washington Post staff, almost top to bottom, is

490
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not encouraging. But what do you think? What do you think?

491
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Speaker 1: Well, I think different reasons. Los Angeles Times. I read

492
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a piece sounded pretty credible to me that the daughter

493
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of the billionaire owner is like a Prohamas person and

494
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they're angry at Kamala. So that's why it happened. Yeah,

495
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he seems somewhat credible, but I.

496
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Speaker 2: Don't already he already denied that.

497
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Speaker 1: He denied it, all right, So whatever reason it is.

498
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Bezos lost seventy seven million dollars on the Post last year.

499
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This this outrage about what he's done by the staff.

500
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You know, they keep saying that, you know, now billionaires

501
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,759
control the media, and it's terrible that we have to

502
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live by their whims and stuff like that. I mean,

503
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you wouldn't have a paper without him. If it wasn't

504
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,519
for Jeff Bezos, the Washington Post would probably be out

505
00:27:06,519 --> 00:27:09,160
of business, or at least, you know, half the staff

506
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,160
would be gone. So I think they should be thankful

507
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,839
that he exists, not kind of dump on him. But moreover,

508
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I think they've lost over two hundred thousand subscriptions apparently,

509
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,279
which is a significant number in my mind. It's and

510
00:27:23,759 --> 00:27:26,640
it just reflects that they have this that the readership

511
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,839
there and most of this left wing readership has come

512
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to expect they're so siloed they never hear an opposing argument,

513
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and their expectation of media is not to gather information

514
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,400
or hear arguments. Their expectation is that they're going to

515
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be activists for whatever cause it is. And that is

516
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the is why you know, and the and the and

517
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,119
the reporters are the same, and that's a cancer on democracy,

518
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,920
you know, quote unquote, I think, and I.

519
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Speaker 2: Know we have to move on, but I just want

520
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to say one other thing, which is David Sachs had

521
00:27:56,839 --> 00:27:59,920
tweeted something about how, you know, while it's no to

522
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that nearly the entire country has lost confidence in our

523
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,599
corporate media to report the news accurately or fairly, they

524
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,359
still control the conversation, and he was saying, there is

525
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this window of opportunity to really take them out. And

526
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I do agree with that. I think we are in

527
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a place the corporate media have caused so much damage

528
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to the body politic in recent decades, and particularly i'd

529
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say in the last twenty years. They have lied about everything.

530
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They have encouraged the worst and most censorious impulses of

531
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,759
our federal government and other parts of the censorship industrial complex,

532
00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:41,839
they have fueled rage mobs. They have just lied. They've

533
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,640
just lied and run information operations from some of the

534
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,519
most nefarious parts of our federal government. Again, they are

535
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,079
hurting the country and they do need to be taken out.

536
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And at the same time, we need real journalism. I mean,

537
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the country does not make it if we don't have

538
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real journalists challenging people, challenging what we're told by our

539
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,799
various selected leaders or bureaucrats or other powerful entities. But

540
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,680
it's not sufficient that everybody realizes they're not credible. If

541
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we still let them set the agenda on every for everybody.

542
00:29:16,319 --> 00:29:19,039
It would be beautiful if we could truly just ignore

543
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:23,039
them and turn our attention to real news and developing

544
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960
real solutions to the problems that face us.

545
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Speaker 1: That's a good segue to another topic.

546
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558
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Speaker 1: You Molly wrote a piece this week I found super

559
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interesting because I was there for most of this. But

560
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,119
it's about Jake Tapper and it's about Russia collusion. So

561
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explain why you wrote it and what it's about.

562
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I actually tell a story in this

563
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article that I have never said publicly in nearly eight years.

564
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But that explains why I knew to go hard against

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the Russia collusion hooks. And the short answer is because

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of Jake Tapper. But I told it publicly when normally

567
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I wouldn't tell it publicly because this week he had

568
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a debate with jd Vance on his Sunday show. And

569
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it was a really interesting debate. Not because not because

570
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that don't mean that in a good way, and I

571
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don't mean that jd Vance was able to articulate his

572
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policy ideas or anything like that, but it was interesting

573
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because Jake Tapper melted down, I mean, he completely lost it.

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He looked like he was going to cry. He sounded

575
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more emotionally invested in Kamala Harris's victory than Kamala Harris.

576
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And the entire debate was Jake Tapper saying, this person

577
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said something mean about your running mate, and this person

578
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,319
said something mean about your running mate, so therefore your

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running mate is dangerous. And at every turn Jadvans tries

580
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to kind of broaden the discussion, so he's like, okay,

581
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General Millie and Liz Cheney, they have policy differences with

582
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Donald Trump, and also one of them got fired by

583
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Donald Trump. There are issues here that are not really

584
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what these mean comments are about. And Jake Tapper just

585
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keeps getting more and more emotional, which point JD Van

586
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,039
sticks a knife in him, saying, and by the way,

587
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you have network integrity problems. You pushed the Russia collusion

588
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hoax for years. You would take the word of anonymous

589
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,359
FBI agents and repeat it as if it were true.

590
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:55,359
People who listened to you had the were led to

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00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000
believe that Donald Trump was colluding with Russia to steal

592
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the twenty sixteen election. And Jake Tapper's that's not true.

593
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That's not true. What you said is false. That's just

594
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not true. He's like, I don't know why you'd want it.

595
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We just only reported that the FBI was investigating your

596
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running mate. I don't know why you'd want to talk

597
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,519
about the FBI investigating your running mate. In other words,

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continuing the Russia collusion hoax in an interview where he

599
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,880
denies that he did the Russia collusion hoax. And it

600
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was so mendacious and it was so false that all

601
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that CNN did was report that the FBI was investigating Trump,

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that I decided to write about that falsehood, and I

603
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:35,920
told the story of January twelfth, twenty seventeen. Should I

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tell it?

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Speaker 1: Sure? I think it's interesting. Okay, as Joe Rogan has proven,

606
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we can have a three hour broadcast if you feel

607
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like it.

608
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Speaker 2: Okay. So this is before I worked at Fox. So

609
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now I work at Fox, so I can't appear on

610
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any other media outlets. But before I worked at Fox,

611
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I was doing quite a bit of CNN and MSNBC,

612
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and I was on the I was on this program.

613
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I don't know what Jake Tappers afternoon program is called.

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And it was the day we were all sitting up

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on set, and it was a special set because it

616
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was ahead of the inauguration, and so sometimes TV shows

617
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they do special sets outside before an inauguration or something

618
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,599
like that. So we're all up on a roof near

619
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the Capitol, and just as we're about to go live,

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Barack Obama surprises Joe Biden with a Presidential Medal of

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Freedom and we end up just kind of sitting there

622
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on the roof hanging out. Everyone's getting comfortable with each

623
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other for like forty five minutes as I recall, and

624
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the Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony ends, and we started

625
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going into the quote unquote news. So January tenth, twenty seventeen,

626
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CNN had published the story that there was explosive intelligence

627
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about Donald Trump being compromised by Russia, and it was

628
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so serious and so credible that it had been briefed

629
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we didn't know by whom, but had been briefed to

630
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:07,079
both President Obama and President Trump. This is the origin

631
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,280
story of the Russia collusion hoax. Like we'd had a

632
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lot of Russia related stuff before that, but this is

633
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what leads BuzzFeed to publish the actual dossier that had

634
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been floating all around Washington, d C. Going to all

635
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:21,840
the reporters and that dossier was the one that alleged

636
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,119
that Donald Trump had paid prostitutes to urinate on a

637
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,920
bed that the Obamas had slept in in Moscow and

638
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,800
videotaped it. You know, all this crazy stuff. So this

639
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,519
is two days later, and the previous day, James Clapper,

640
00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:40,719
Obama's Director of National Intelligence and mostly known for lying

641
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,639
to Congress about whether the National Security Agency had collected

642
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:48,239
metadata on tens of millions of Americans. He was asked

643
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,880
point blank by under oath by Senator Biden, and he

644
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,840
said nope, And then later he said that he misunderstood

645
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,400
the question or didn't hear it, And then later still

646
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,719
he said, well, yeah, I lied, but I tried to

647
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,159
do it in the with the least amount of lyne,

648
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,639
which just and by the way, never prosecuted, never held accountable,

649
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,320
and currently I believe a CNN contributor on national security,

650
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,599
So James Clapper had issued a statement because obviously what

651
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was happening when this CNN wrote their story is that

652
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someone was telling CNN what had happened in presidential briefings,

653
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and they claimed that they had two sources, and so

654
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Clapper issues a statement saying, I don't believe the intelligence came.

655
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I'm deeply like, I'm deeply upset about the leaks, but

656
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,320
I don't believe that this came from the intelligence community.

657
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:43,639
And he says, this is you know, this is a private,

658
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:49,519
private security document aka Hillary Clinton campaign operation. And so

659
00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:51,519
we do need to we do need to brief people

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00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:57,079
on what's going on out there. And as they read

661
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,840
that statement, so we're on set and Evan Prez is remote,

662
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,719
meaning not on set. He's probably at the Capitol or something.

663
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:06,960
So that's what's being aired to people, so you can

664
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still talk to each other on set without people in

665
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,880
the viewing audience hearing. So Evan Prez reads Clapper saying,

666
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I don't believe the leak came from the intelligence community,

667
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,400
at which point Jim Shudo, who's on set and was

668
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,800
one of the four authors of this story and is

669
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:28,320
a former Obama political appointee, says out loud, pretty sure

670
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he knows the leak came from the intelligence community, because

671
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,119
and then he kind of rolls his hands slowly suggestively,

672
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like because right, and Jake Tapper was sitting next to him,

673
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:48,400
to his left, and he immediately kind of grabs his

674
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,360
wrist or you know, kind of squeezes his wrist like

675
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,119
shut up, you idiot, and I'm watching it all and

676
00:36:57,159 --> 00:37:01,320
I'm like, oh, oh, that's interesting. That's sure interesting. Like

677
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,000
I don't know if he's saying my source was Clapper,

678
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,760
or my source was Clapper's secretary, or my source was

679
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,719
Clapper's you know, Clapper deputized someone to tell me, or

680
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,519
even if it's just Clapper and Comy are conspiring and

681
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,639
it's one of Comy's people who told me or told

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00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,400
one of my three colleagues, I don't know exactly what

683
00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,679
was being said by the smart Jim Shudo there, but

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I knew what he was saying, you know, And I'm

685
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,320
just I remember, my heart just started kind of racing

686
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,480
because and I know. Now everyone's like, of course this happened,

687
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:36,519
like why what.

688
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,599
Speaker 1: We didn't know at the time, Yeah, we knew nothing.

689
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Speaker 2: We didn't know how this story came out. We didn't

690
00:37:41,519 --> 00:37:44,320
know that the FBI was completely corrupt. We didn't know

691
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,639
they were running operations against every member of the Trump

692
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:50,519
transition team. We didn't know James Comy was at the

693
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,880
center of this. We didn't know about the unmasking. We

694
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,159
didn't know at this point that our entire media complex

695
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,559
was nothing more than a receptacle for leaks from the government.

696
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:03,760
They were just regime mouthpieces.

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Speaker 1: And it should be said, having written about conspiracy theories

698
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,039
and stuff like this in my book, that sometimes the

699
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:15,039
bigger and more expansive the lie, the harder it is

700
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to untangle and to debunk. Do you know what I'm saying.

701
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,519
So like, if someone says the president is you know,

702
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an asset for Russia, well that's a massive, massive story

703
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,960
and it's very difficult to just disprove it. And people,

704
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,360
I think we're nervous just to say it wasn't true,

705
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because what if it was true, We don't know. This

706
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was the first time they'd done something to this scale

707
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,159
in my view at least, and they had story after

708
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,360
story you know, that seemed to be credible because we

709
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,800
trusted them at the point. Now this will never happen again,

710
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,159
but anyway, storry to ender it.

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Speaker 2: Well that's about it, I mean, except that when we

712
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left the set, Jake Tapper, who's a very you know,

713
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,000
like it's difficult to be a television host and these

714
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:00,840
people are very confident in their abilities, and I understand

715
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,039
that and kind of have to be not arrogant but

716
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,760
sure of yourself. And he's definitely one of those people.

717
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:10,519
So even though I had met him a ton, he'd

718
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:14,519
never really talk to me and accept in my DMS.

719
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,679
As everyone knows, Jake Tapper slides and everybody's DMS if

720
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:23,679
you say anything slight. I didn't block him, but I

721
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,199
don't follow him, so he doesn't have the capacity to

722
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,480
DM me anymore. But he comes up to me and

723
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,280
he says, oh, Mollie, you know, I've been thinking we

724
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:37,079
really need to get you on my Sunday show. And

725
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,119
I was like, yep, that pretty much confirms everything I

726
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,920
just saw. You know, because in Washington, d C. And

727
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,000
I don't understand this. This is like a hot ticket.

728
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:49,159
I like to go to church on Sunday mornings, and

729
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,320
I love when I don't get asked to do Sunday

730
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,119
shows or when I don't have to do it. But

731
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,599
everyone wants to do a Sunday show because that means

732
00:39:55,639 --> 00:40:00,039
they're important or something. So I understood what he was saying,

733
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,840
which is, let's all be it's I'll be cool here,

734
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,920
you know, instead of being cool. Two days later or

735
00:40:08,119 --> 00:40:10,800
a few days later, I wrote my first big piece,

736
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,280
debunking the Russia collusion hoax about how Intel leaders were

737
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,280
at war with Donald Trump over foreign policy differences. And

738
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:21,119
the thing I just want to say is I would

739
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,079
not have known to write that piece had Jim Shudo

740
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,599
and Jake Tapper not done what they'd done, said what

741
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:29,239
they said on set that day. And so I'm kind

742
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,800
of thankful for them that way. But I also say,

743
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,119
if their little interaction of a few seconds gave me

744
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:38,960
what I needed to know that this was an Intel

745
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,880
chief op, which we all know now, how much more

746
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,400
did they know at the very beginning? And it makes

747
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,719
them such liars to say, as Jake Tapper said, oh,

748
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,039
all we did was report on an FBI investigation. That's

749
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,440
not true. They fanned the flames. They did hundreds of

750
00:40:56,519 --> 00:41:02,840
false stories, hundreds or deceptive of maliciously deceptive stories. They

751
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:08,840
hired the colluters, Andy McCabe, Jim Clapper, all sorts of

752
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,320
people who could help ban the flames of this information op.

753
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:16,840
They are nothing more than apparatchicks for the regime, and

754
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,199
they should be treated this much.

755
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: I know that he's probably stewing after reading your piece,

756
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,320
because you know, he was in my DMS quite a

757
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,559
bit as well. And I won't share those things. I

758
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,880
think you know, off the records, off the record, but

759
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:35,000
he's clearly very sensitive. And I will say that the

760
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,559
idea that they weren't a huge part of this is crazy.

761
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:43,000
Like I was thinking about, here's the main problem. If

762
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,880
you know, if your sources burn you like they did

763
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,320
supposedly Manu Raju's story about Don Junior and the phone

764
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,000
you know in the and the Russian agent. And how

765
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,639
about the story that Tapper's name was on where it

766
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,960
said that Jim Comey was going to publicly say that

767
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,760
he had never I forgot what it was, he had

768
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,239
never told the president that he was under investigation. Do

769
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,639
you remember that I haven't forgotten.

770
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,559
Speaker 2: So yes, Jake Tapper, who all we did was report

771
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,880
on an FBI investigation, co authored another story saying that. Okay,

772
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,079
So again, if you go back in time, you have

773
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:21,280
Donald Trump saying didn't collude with Russia. He was later

774
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,719
proven to be one hundred percent right. And then you

775
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,400
had an army of intel people saying we have very

776
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,519
concerning signals and this is a we have reports that

777
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:32,519
we've confirmed this and that, and you know it was

778
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:39,559
all like anonymously sourced in all bs And when donald

779
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,199
Trump fired James Comy. A bunch of people in the

780
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:47,400
corporate media really genuinely believed that Donald Trump had fired

781
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,119
him because he was uncovering the Russia colusion oaks. And

782
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,519
Donald Trump said, that's not even true. He told me

783
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:58,239
three times that I wasn't under investigation. And James Comy

784
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,320
didn't say anything in response, but then he had to

785
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:06,480
testify in front of Congress later, and Jake Tapper writes

786
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:11,679
a story saying, Jim Comey is going to refute and

787
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,360
show that Donald Trump lied when he said that he

788
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,199
was told three times that he was not under investigation,

789
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,000
and it went wide and it was big news, and

790
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,639
everybody else was reporting it based on Jake Tapper's story,

791
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,679
and CNN was crazy about it for days. And then

792
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,320
Jim Comy testified and he said, not only had he

793
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,920
told Trump three times that he wasn't under investigation the

794
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,480
first time, he just volunteered it.

795
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: You know.

796
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't even like Trump saying, gosh, it kind of

797
00:43:39,519 --> 00:43:41,920
seems like you've got me under investigation. The first time.

798
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,920
Was just Jim Comey going out there. And by the way,

799
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,400
you're not under investigation for the Russia collusion.

800
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: Hoax.

801
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 2: But by this time they had already started the Special Council,

802
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,280
which Jim Comey had leaked his memos to a friend

803
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,320
who then leaked them to the New York Times in

804
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,519
order to get that Special Council investigation going and go

805
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,119
on for another like year and a half and just

806
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,960
completely thwart the presidency, and Jake Tapper colluded with these

807
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,079
people to do it. I know he's not dumb, so

808
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,039
I know he knows what he was doing because I

809
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,320
knew what he was doing, and I didn't. I wasn't

810
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,119
even privied all of what he was doing, but I

811
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:22,320
knew enough, so he knew, and he just like that

812
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,079
is so untrustworthy. I put in my article a thing

813
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,719
that Joan Dideon wrote. I was quoting this New Yorker

814
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,400
look at something Joan Didyon had written about Bob Woodward

815
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,800
and people saying, like, the problem with him isn't that

816
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,880
he makes things up, although obviously Bob Woodward makes things up.

817
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,079
The problem is that he just receives the information as

818
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,039
it's presented to him and doesn't dig deeper, and he

819
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:51,039
just republishes manufactured stories. You can so easily manipulate a

820
00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:54,599
Bob Woodward or you can so easily manipulate a Jake Tapper,

821
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,840
they're not going to get the real story. Like the

822
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,559
real story, The really interesting, roundbreaking, shocking story was that

823
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:07,159
our intelligence community tried to coop the president of the

824
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,760
United States, and instead of reporting that story, which Jake

825
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:16,119
Tapper knew, he instead participated in the coup effort. I

826
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:21,239
just journalistically indefensible and awful.

827
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry his name escapes me. Who was the

828
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,400
congressman who first went down to read the memos? Okay,

829
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,320
so Devin Nunaz. I remember writing a piece. It was

830
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,239
my first anti Russia collusion piece. I wrote, maybe we

831
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,119
should listen to Devin Nunas. This sounds somewhat plausible to me.

832
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,719
I have never gotten such angry blowback in my life

833
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,199
on anything I've ever written, I don't think, and it

834
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,840
was just venomous. And why because we can listen to

835
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,920
a congressman who was in there, we can disapprove and

836
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,679
debunk him then. But the way they reacted made me

837
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,519
incredibly suspicious about something, right, And they tried to call

838
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,920
you a trader today, to call you a Nazi in

839
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,079
those days, you were a Russian trader. Like it's always

840
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,760
going to be something. In fact, I wonder what the

841
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,920
new thing will be if Trump wins. I wonder what

842
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,199
the new conspiracy will be.

843
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 2: Just real quick, I want to say a couple more

844
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,079
things on the Devin Nunas thing. Devin Nunas is probably

845
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,039
was Congress's biggest Russia hawk. He actually cared about Russia.

846
00:46:18,159 --> 00:46:21,159
Unlike these people who used Russia or were just upset

847
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,519
at Russia for not following along with what they wanted

848
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,639
Russia to be doing. Who they just used Russia to

849
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:30,400
go after Trump. Devin Nunaz actually had a long track

850
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,360
record of being concerned about Russian expansion and thinking that

851
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,159
we needed to do things to check that. So when

852
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,719
he came out against the Russia collusion hoax, it was

853
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,159
devastating to them, and so that's why they then tried

854
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:46,039
to marginalize him, do ethics complaints against him and the like.

855
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,159
You said, you had gotten a lot of pushback for it,

856
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,599
and I just want to say again, I don't think

857
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:54,519
people understand how difficult it was to speak truth during

858
00:46:54,559 --> 00:47:00,159
that era. The amount of pushback was unlike anything I've

859
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:06,079
ever seen, except possibly for people who are opposing Ukraine

860
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,000
war stuff, which I haven't gone deep into but I've

861
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,920
certainly received pushback on that too. But we're talking high

862
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:18,079
level people pressuring you, all of the corporate media saying

863
00:47:18,159 --> 00:47:21,599
that you know, saying that you're a joke and the liar.

864
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,480
It was very difficult to have the courage to stand

865
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,679
up against Jake Tapper's Russia collusion hoax. And then I

866
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,840
also wanted to just say about Manu Raju. He wrote

867
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,800
a story that again CNN went wild with wild, claiming

868
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:40,119
that they'd kind of broken the Russia collusion story wide open.

869
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,519
And it was that Donald Trump Junior had received advanced

870
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:46,599
notice of WikiLeaks which showed that the Trump campaign was

871
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:50,320
conspiring with Wiki leaks and colluding with Russia because Wiki

872
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,760
leaks is Russia. We found it with walls are closing in.

873
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,880
And it was based on this September fourteenth email that

874
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:03,280
some rando in California had mailed to a public email

875
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,880
account of Donald Trump Junior, saying, Hey, did you see

876
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,719
these wikiligues documents that are posted publicly on their site?

877
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,519
But Manuraju, who claimed he had two anonymous sources who

878
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:19,960
were clearly on Adam Shift's committee, said that the email

879
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,519
had been sent September fourth, and they both said it

880
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:25,840
had been sent September fourth. It had been sent September fourteenth.

881
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,119
Manu Raju never demanded to see the underlying document like

882
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:32,320
a journalist would. He just took the word of two

883
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:39,159
completely self interested people on Adam Shift's committee and went

884
00:48:39,199 --> 00:48:42,480
wild with it. And then Kendlanian and other reporters said

885
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,719
that they too had confirmed this report. They confirmed it.

886
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,480
It was true. These same two anonymous sources told other

887
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:53,599
people the same false thing, and so everyone was crazy

888
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,519
about it for a day. And then it turned out,

889
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,719
oh whoops, when the Washington Post or whoever actually looked

890
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,920
at the email, it was September fourteenth. It was just

891
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,360
public information. That is a picture perfect example of the

892
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:12,599
Russia collusion hoax. Frenzied, you know, hysteria. Then moving on

893
00:49:12,599 --> 00:49:14,199
once it turned out that it was all.

894
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:19,199
Speaker 1: Fake, yeah, it The idea that you would allow the

895
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,360
same sources who burn you in that way to continue

896
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,280
to be sources is just not what real journalists would do,

897
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,159
but yet they continued. It reminds me very much. So

898
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,159
if we can move on to this MSG rally story,

899
00:49:33,079 --> 00:49:36,119
So before it even started, you knew they were going

900
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,320
to come up with something so they could compare it

901
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,519
that they had before to the Nazi nineteen thirty tine

902
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:46,559
thirty nine German Bound Get Together, because you know, it's

903
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,559
an MSG, even though it's not in the same building.

904
00:49:48,599 --> 00:49:52,760
I don't think. But they did that because some comedian

905
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,920
and maybe we'll argue about this, I think, made a

906
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,440
dumb joke and they pretend now that it was just

907
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,320
this kind of hate, which clearly wasn't. There were Israeli

908
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,079
flags up, they were Jewish people putting onto fill in.

909
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,559
I mean, it was not anything like that from what

910
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,400
I saw. And what happens is there's a full court

911
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,559
you know, press that tries to convince people something happened

912
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,480
that didn't so everyone is just horrified. Puerto Ricans are horrified.

913
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,679
Everyone is horrified, and they just flood to zone and

914
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,880
try to convince people it's true, and then when people

915
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,079
realize it's not true, they move on to the next

916
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:35,159
you know, hysteria. This is what they did during the

917
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:38,119
Russia collusion hoax. This is what they're doing now now.

918
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,599
I don't think. I think having a circus like that.

919
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,280
I just wish the presidency was a more serious thing.

920
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,840
And I don't think that kind of comic is smart

921
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,760
to bring on. You probably disagree, but who was really

922
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,159
insulted by that? Not a single person on earth was

923
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,440
really insulted by that joke. I don't think so.

924
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. Maybe there are some very

925
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,960
sensitive Puerto Ricans out there. There were lots of insult

926
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,920
from the insult comic. I saw this little clip from

927
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:07,719
from John Stewart on The Daily Show last night where

928
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,840
he was saying, oh, who could ever, you know, put

929
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,800
this person out there, this comedian And then he shows

930
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,000
a clip from the Tom Brady Roast, which was, you know,

931
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:24,159
very well known roast, and this comedian is kind of

932
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,400
known as a as like that's his specialty as roasting people.

933
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,920
And he shows all these horrible jokes that and insults

934
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,639
and racial humor that this that this guy did at

935
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:38,039
the Tom Brady Roast, and John Stewart is like, I'm sorry,

936
00:51:38,119 --> 00:51:42,880
it's funny, you know, it's funny. And inviting an insult

937
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,960
comic to a political rally and not having them perform

938
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,880
would be like inviting Beyonce to a political Oh right,

939
00:51:50,119 --> 00:51:53,199
you know, Beyonce came to Kamala Harris's rally and famously

940
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,480
didn't sing a song, didn't even sing the national anthem

941
00:51:56,599 --> 00:51:59,639
or anything, and it was a bit of a disappointment.

942
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,360
So I do have completely different views on it. Not

943
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,039
that I thought that his jokes landed. It seemed like

944
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:11,519
he was kind of learning who his audience was as

945
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:16,119
he did his as he did his ten minutes, and

946
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,360
at first it was clear that he had not realized

947
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,360
how conservative the audience was because they were booing, not booing,

948
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,079
but like groaning. Even comments about them groaning and or

949
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:29,079
just like the jokes didn't land. But then he started

950
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,000
picking up steam, particularly as he was making fun of

951
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:36,719
some of the Democrats and their celebrity endorsements and Nancy

952
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,880
Pelosi's stock trades and things like that, which seemed to

953
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:42,440
go over much better with the crowd. But I thought

954
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,320
it was funny, and I just thought it was impressive

955
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,400
that someone of that caliber, likes he's a big comic,

956
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,599
would do something like that. I I kind of enjoyed.

957
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:55,159
I had it on in the background while I was

958
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,639
working on my piece on Jake Tapper, so I was

959
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,199
kind of listening to it and enjoying different parts of it.

960
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:07,320
Everyone had really short speeches or fairly short speeches, and

961
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,360
they had really interesting things to say, and there were

962
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:15,039
artists and singers and comedians, and it was a really

963
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,880
interesting slice of Americana. I'm not saying I liked everybody

964
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,320
or everybody's speeches or anything like that. But also one

965
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,800
of the big things that kill Tony was saying was

966
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,199
the importance of free speech, and I do believe comics

967
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:35,320
are at the leading edge of that, making sure that

968
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:40,519
we're able to make hateful jokes and rip on each

969
00:53:40,559 --> 00:53:43,119
other and not freak out about it.

970
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a middle ground there. I don't

971
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,840
think people should freak out about it. It's ridiculous. Everyone

972
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,119
knows the guy's joking, but I do I don't. I

973
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:55,000
think it's it's weird for you to be running for

974
00:53:55,039 --> 00:53:58,679
president and have a big event and bring it insult comic.

975
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,079
That seems like the not the kind of because it's

976
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,519
just you're lending yourself to what you're opening yourself up

977
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,840
to what did happen, which is yourself.

978
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,199
Speaker 2: Do you feel the same way about Ronald Reagan having

979
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,400
Don Rickles out for him?

980
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: That was a different That was not a campaign event

981
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,920
in my view, I think it was not my view.

982
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,519
I don't think it was a campaign event. It was

983
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:22,440
some kind of like arts what was it?

984
00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was, and come on, I think

985
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,079
it might have been an election celebration, but you know,

986
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,280
still a political event. Did you have a problem with

987
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,280
Reagan bringing out Don Rickles and making his first joke

988
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:37,199
a racial joke.

989
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,559
Speaker 1: I was nine, so I don't know if I had

990
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:41,639
a problem with it. Probably I wouldn't have a problem

991
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,480
with it. I think the world was different in those days,

992
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,800
and I think Donald Trump doesn't. I'm not saying it's

993
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:48,599
a big deal, but I don't want you know, this

994
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,199
idea that you know, anything that happens and anything that

995
00:54:51,199 --> 00:54:53,519
happens around Trump has to be defended. I mean, I

996
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,519
just think that it's not the sort of person the President,

997
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,440
in his closing argument in a giant event that everyone's

998
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,679
paying attention into and calling a Nazi rally, should bring.

999
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,880
That's all I'm saying. I don't think it's a big

1000
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,760
deal either way. I don't think most people believe that

1001
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,000
that that there's some anti Puerto Rican animus. Maybe some

1002
00:55:12,039 --> 00:55:14,360
people who can be tricked, but most people. I don't

1003
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,480
think it moves votes. The New York Times says it's

1004
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:19,280
moving the whole election right now, So who knows I do.

1005
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,639
Speaker 2: I want to just say I acknowledge that I am

1006
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:24,800
extremely different than most people, and that you were probably

1007
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:29,519
more aligned with your average, you know, Republican type than

1008
00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:33,000
I am on this. I love.

1009
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,519
Speaker 1: That's the worst I'm saying.

1010
00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:38,199
Speaker 2: I'm saying that probably probably most people are listening are

1011
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,039
arguing with you on this, and I totally get that.

1012
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,360
And it reminds me of when Mark will send me

1013
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:45,480
or you know, he would say, oh, look at this

1014
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,320
horrible tweet from Donald Trump, and I'd be like, oh,

1015
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,159
I thought it was funny. You know.

1016
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: It's not the point that I know I shouldn't.

1017
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,599
Speaker 2: Think it was funny, but it was or whatever.

1018
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 1: Wayne is not that it's funny or not that they're

1019
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,239
the presidents. We live in an idiocracy right now. To me,

1020
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,840
everyone is unserious, and I just think that, you know,

1021
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,440
these people are making life and death death decisions, they're

1022
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,480
making economic decisions. You don't want to seem like a clown.

1023
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,320
I'm not saying he did in his speech. I don't

1024
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,480
really even know what he said. I'm just saying that

1025
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,239
it's just seems like a like a self like a

1026
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,119
mistake to do, but not, you know whatever, not a

1027
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,599
big deal, not a big deal.

1028
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so what I make one quick argument for so

1029
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,039
I know everybody in DC agrees and they're like, who

1030
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:35,679
did this? And it's crazy? And I don't assess whether

1031
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,679
campaigns are making good decisions are bad. I will just say,

1032
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:41,840
in the same way that Kamala Harris is doing her

1033
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,800
Killer Babies tour, I think Donald Trump is doing a

1034
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,519
lot of push for the young male vote. And that

1035
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,920
podcast from Kill Tony is one of the more popular

1036
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,280
podcasts out there for young men.

1037
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel like I'm older than you, but I

1038
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:01,559
just feel like I don't know who's famous anymore? Like

1039
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:03,400
I never even heard of this person.

1040
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,519
Speaker 2: You've watched those roasts you write comedy two.

1041
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: I like comedy, but I had never heard of this person.

1042
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,280
Maybe I had watched them and not known it. But

1043
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:15,119
everyone's like, I'm like, who is this and they're like

1044
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:17,119
he's huge, and I'm you know, I just like if

1045
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,079
the top ten songs, I just don't know.

1046
00:57:19,719 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: Even John Stewart was like, this is one of my

1047
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:22,639
favorite got.

1048
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:27,599
Speaker 1: I'm not even good comics don't land all their jokes

1049
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,679
all the time. I mean, you know, it just seemed

1050
00:57:30,599 --> 00:57:32,760
like a weird person to have there. But I get

1051
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:33,440
where you're saying.

1052
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:38,159
Speaker 2: You and I were fighting off podcast, and we decided

1053
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:40,880
we wanted to bring the fight on the podcast about

1054
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:47,599
the issue of all the conservative writers clutching their pearls

1055
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:51,360
over this comedian's performance and me thinking that that was

1056
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,559
not a great idea for people. Or you said that

1057
00:57:55,719 --> 00:58:00,519
you hate it when people say to you what that

1058
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:04,000
you're not being helpful? So can you tell me?

1059
00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I'm not here. I'm not here to be helpful. That's

1060
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,239
not a job of a pundit. Listen, my job is stupid.

1061
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,480
Like Andria, you really think deeply about it, what I

1062
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,199
do is not necessary, right. But if I'm going to

1063
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,039
do what I do, right, I'm not here to be helpful.

1064
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,159
I say, I don't like a lot of what Donald

1065
00:58:21,199 --> 00:58:23,960
Trump and JD. Vance say about the economy, so I'm

1066
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,880
going to write about them. People tell me why, now,

1067
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,280
why do you have to be unhelpful like I'm on

1068
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,440
the campaign or something I'm not. I'm just being honest.

1069
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:33,760
Don't you think that that's the job of a pundit?

1070
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,840
What do you disagree? How do you disagree with me there, I.

1071
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 2: Don't necessarily disagree with you. I was thinking about this

1072
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,480
after we were talking about it, about how I think

1073
00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:46,880
people love you in part because you have this perspective

1074
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,480
you were going to say whatever you believe, regardless of

1075
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:55,000
what the consequences are, and you are genuine and you

1076
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:59,199
are able to stand firm no matter how much people

1077
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:00,920
come after you say.

1078
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,239
Speaker 1: To stop it. What.

1079
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 2: I've followed you stuff for a really long time. You're

1080
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,039
very consistent and all that, and I think that is

1081
00:59:08,039 --> 00:59:09,920
a and people know you're just going to say whatever

1082
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:16,199
you think and feel, and that's great. I think it's good.

1083
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:17,880
And I think when people say you're not being helpful,

1084
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,920
you're like, oh, you confused me with a Republican Party

1085
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,559
operative or a campaign strategist, and I'm not.

1086
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:28,599
Speaker 1: I also no police, go on, I have nothing to say.

1087
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:30,239
Really interesting, Okay.

1088
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: So I do think though that there are different roles

1089
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,679
for different people. And I always find it interesting that,

1090
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,559
you know, like, I just say what I think too,

1091
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:47,000
but people seem to really appreciate it and feel that

1092
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:55,599
I am helpful sometimes, right. And I remember during the

1093
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,159
like heyday of never trump Ism, they'd always say, like,

1094
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:02,199
tribalism is bad, and I would think, I think I

1095
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,960
kind of like it. I always think when I'm on TV,

1096
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,599
in particular, so there's the writing, in which case I'm

1097
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:14,119
definitely just writing much more nuanced arguments and trying to

1098
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,480
showcase other people's perspectives and things like that. On TV,

1099
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,079
you do not have the luxury of being nuanced. You

1100
01:00:20,159 --> 01:00:22,039
have to just kind of go for the jugular, and

1101
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,840
so I do. I will say I do kind of

1102
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,159
think about where I grew up in California, which was

1103
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,320
this small rural community with people who are just the

1104
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,960
best people on earth, and I always think, what do

1105
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:38,800
they need someone to say on TV? Like that is

1106
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,039
the perspective that's never included on TV. We get a

1107
01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:47,079
lot of perspective from the military industrial complex, or from corporations,

1108
01:00:47,199 --> 01:00:50,559
or from powerful Republican or Democrat figures. We don't only

1109
01:00:50,639 --> 01:00:54,800
get the viewpoint of people who farm or you know,

1110
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:59,000
in Colorado people where I lived after California, I met

1111
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:02,880
all these wonderful peopleeople, some rural, some suburban, and again,

1112
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,920
their perspectives are never included on air. And I kind

1113
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,000
of view what I get to do on air as

1114
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,760
being not a representative, but you know, just representing their

1115
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,199
viewpoints and seeing what would happen if their viewpoints were

1116
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:23,199
brought to bear international conversation. And so if I'm on

1117
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,159
air and you have you have to pick one thing

1118
01:01:25,199 --> 01:01:28,920
to say, I'm almost always going to pick what they

1119
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,840
would say if they were in my shoes. And that

1120
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,199
is tribal, I guess.

1121
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: But that's why they love you, and that's why you

1122
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,519
are on TV. And I respect that for sure. And

1123
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,280
I also want to just quickly say, I see a

1124
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,960
lot of people if you take a side, you know

1125
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,400
that just a Trump you know, you know whatever, that's

1126
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,719
not true. I think everything you say you believe and

1127
01:01:49,719 --> 01:01:52,320
you've thought through. I think that that people are wrong

1128
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:53,880
when they say that. But I do want to say

1129
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,920
this about me. I obviously am more inclined to be

1130
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:02,039
conservative vote for Republicans, right, So, actually, when JD. Vance

1131
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:04,400
comes out and says something I don't like, because I

1132
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,400
know he's smart and going he's going to change the

1133
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,760
trajectory of the party that I more identify with, that

1134
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,440
somehow is often more bothersome to me. And I feel

1135
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,519
I need to say something more than I do about Kamala,

1136
01:02:15,519 --> 01:02:17,840
which who everyone knows I dislike and I would, and

1137
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,480
I believe is a far bigger threat to the constitutional order,

1138
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,960
to children, to everything. But so I feel like some

1139
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:28,280
people within the tribe, which I am part of, for sure,

1140
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,159
need to speak out about things they don't like, right,

1141
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:33,719
so that they can help, just like you would when

1142
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,880
there were neo cons in charge, right, you know, I

1143
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,639
feel like it's a similar kind of thing for me

1144
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,119
economic freedom.

1145
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 2: Or when Donald Trump was saying squishy things about abortion.

1146
01:02:42,719 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 1: Right exactly. So for me, economic freedom is a pillar.

1147
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:50,559
It's like important as any other freedom. And I don't

1148
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:52,400
feel like the Republican Party is on the right track

1149
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,639
there and some other issues as well. Yeah, and even

1150
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:57,679
Donald Trump is squishy on abortion. But anyway, that's my

1151
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,400
perspective and why I do the things that I do.

1152
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,880
But there's one but.

1153
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one thing about this though. So we're talking

1154
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,239
about the Madison Square Garden thing, which I did follow

1155
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:12,800
much of it, and I thought it was an absolutely

1156
01:03:13,039 --> 01:03:16,679
almost like magical, kind of weird experience because of where

1157
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:19,239
it was. And I'm not saying by that that I

1158
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,519
agreed with everything that was said by any stretch of

1159
01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,199
the imagination, but it was just, you know, I spend

1160
01:03:24,199 --> 01:03:27,119
a lot of time in New York. It does feel

1161
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,880
like something different is happening there, you know, seeing the

1162
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,440
crowds of people who didn't even make it into MSG,

1163
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,639
the ones who were in there. How you had people

1164
01:03:36,679 --> 01:03:40,880
of all different stripes, Muslim, jew Christian, secular, all sitting

1165
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,320
together in Madison Square Garden with this hope about what

1166
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,920
might happen in the election. It's an interesting thing and

1167
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:55,039
reporters should be wanting to understand what's going on there.

1168
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,800
And James Carville a few weeks ago, as soon as

1169
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,320
this was announced, he said, oh, they're going to do

1170
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,840
a Nazi rally, because the Nazis held a rally in

1171
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,719
Madison Square Garden during World War two or before World

1172
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:05,880
War two, before.

1173
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: Nineteen thirty nine. Yeah, and.

1174
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: It's an absolutely ludicrous thing to say. You know, FDR

1175
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,599
hosted a presidential rally two years after that and nobody

1176
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:20,159
said you're on a Nazi rally. So many presidential candidates

1177
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,400
have done rallies at MSG and nobody said that. But somehow,

1178
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,000
when Donald Trump does it, that's the narrative that goes out.

1179
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,599
And then everybody decided that they were going to say

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that no matter what happened, and this is bile, horrific

1181
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,360
stuff from our corporate media. And so when kil Tony

1182
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,760
tells his jokes and they say, oh zee, it's it's

1183
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:42,320
a Nazi rally. I hate to see people go along

1184
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,599
with what's clearly an information operation. I don't care if

1185
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,559
you don't like the joke. I don't care if you

1186
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:51,639
wouldn't have brought an insult comic to your rally. But

1187
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,079
this idea that you have to just like join James

1188
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,360
car James Carville and his other Democrat colleagues in and

1189
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,199
outside of the media, that they're join their info op,

1190
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:05,480
it's stupid. The moment someone does an info op, my

1191
01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:07,760
instinct is to resist it. I don't care if it's that.

1192
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:12,079
Like the moment that someone that the Washington Post reported

1193
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,239
without evidence that Brett Kavanaugh was a rapist, my instinct

1194
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,440
was that's I'm gonna reject that like that I guess

1195
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,239
could be true, but you're gonna have to do a

1196
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:26,079
lot more than a Washington Post story with flimsy sources

1197
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:28,039
for me to go along with it. And I think

1198
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,920
other people's instinct is like, well, if this is true,

1199
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,880
this is very disconcerting, and you know what that isn't helpful.

1200
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:39,960
It's stupid, like we need everyone who's not the propaganda

1201
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:44,639
press to fight the propaganda press, whether that's Kavanaugh rape

1202
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,639
smear or MSG Nazi rally smear. And so when you

1203
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:49,880
kind of go along with it in any way, it's like,

1204
01:05:50,119 --> 01:05:51,840
what are you doing here? What are you doing here?

1205
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,199
Speaker 1: There's a third way. The third way is just to

1206
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,960
say what you feel about it and say, maybe it

1207
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,840
wasn't the greatest comic, but of obviously it's not a

1208
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:04,039
Nazi rally. No, I don't like this where I have

1209
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:08,760
to you're dealing going to let the liberal I'm not

1210
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,039
going to let them decide what I say either either way,

1211
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,639
I'm not gonna let Just because they are making this

1212
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,079
BS up doesn't mean I can't be critical of something.

1213
01:06:18,199 --> 01:06:20,639
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, then they give it content. You have been

1214
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,280
allowed to fester for so long as people are like, oh,

1215
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,880
I don't I don't know what's going on.

1216
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: Yes, we all have to, we all have to lockstep

1217
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,119
and every time anything happens, just completely go to the

1218
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,519
other side and not give an inch, even if it's true,

1219
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:38,079
because God forbids someone can't understand a subtle Okay, Okay,

1220
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:40,920
So or think about the contextualized comment.

1221
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:44,840
Speaker 2: But but it's never like think about the Covington smear

1222
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,079
where the kid goes to the PROLA rally wearing a

1223
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:50,920
MAGA hat and the corporate media say, oh, he was

1224
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:56,159
attacking the Native American and everyone like these same types

1225
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:58,400
of people, the same type of people who say, oh,

1226
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,880
kill Tony's comment, he was bad. They also went along

1227
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,199
with that. They always go along with everything, and then

1228
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,559
like later it turns out, oh, I found myself susceptible

1229
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:09,840
to an info op. Like we need people to be

1230
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:13,320
so much smarter than to just you know, without thinking

1231
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:13,840
things through.

1232
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:19,039
Speaker 1: Like I don't think those are comparable situations.

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01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,679
Speaker 2: Because these people who criticize this joke didn't watch the rally.

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01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:24,079
They just saw what MSNBC said about it.

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Speaker 1: All right. It's so it's it's every day there's something

1236
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,880
like this, and it's just so difficult to navigate to

1237
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,440
just try to talk about something in a way that's normal.

1238
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,960
Everyone is with their info ops. I just quickly want

1239
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,960
to take a sid I wanted to say something about

1240
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:49,639
this Nazi this. So obviously there's a concerted effort among

1241
01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:53,880
all Democrats and all media to talk about Republicans and

1242
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,480
Donald Trump as if he was a fascist, and to

1243
01:07:56,519 --> 01:07:59,000
say he is Hitler and all that now, I mean,

1244
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:04,360
Kamala Harris called him Hitler over this John Kelly thing.

1245
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,800
Now it aside from all everything else, I don't know,

1246
01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:13,239
or maybe they do realize that they are belittling something

1247
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:15,760
that is real and horrific in a way that no

1248
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:19,760
one of this generation or very few people left have experienced.

1249
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:23,119
And every time they do that, they belittle what Hitler

1250
01:08:23,159 --> 01:08:25,800
did and what Nazism was at all of that. And

1251
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,960
that makes me really angry about this, you know, aside

1252
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,520
from the rest. And sometimes I wonder, and I don't

1253
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,800
know how you feel about this, that maybe they've convinced themselves.

1254
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,039
I do sometimes I'm not sure if they're just being cynical,

1255
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:40,039
and obviously a lot of people on TV are, but

1256
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:42,520
if normal people have convinced themselves that the Nazis are

1257
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:46,479
coming because they don't know history, they don't understand anything

1258
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,159
in a real way, you know, And I worry about

1259
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:52,760
that as well. Because people think you're Nazis, They're going

1260
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,000
to do crazy things, try to assassinate the president, try

1261
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,479
a coup, undermine the government, undermine transition, if they lose

1262
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,279
all of that right. So it's I just think the

1263
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,000
Nazi thing is more dangerous than we're even making it out,

1264
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:08,520
and generally to be morally and also for the stability

1265
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,000
of the country. That's my schmir on that we.

1266
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,640
Speaker 2: Weren't going to talk about it, but on CNN last

1267
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,279
night this kind of came to a head with CNN

1268
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:21,359
and had the entire day calling all Republicans Nazis, and

1269
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,840
people are concerned about it because not just because it's

1270
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,800
not true and it's wrong to lie, but because they

1271
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,720
seem to be setting the groundwork for violence against Republicans

1272
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:36,520
and resistance to democracy, and they're doing it NonStop. They're

1273
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:38,840
doing it on every major media outlet, they're doing it

1274
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,279
on Twitter, they're doing it. It's just very, very bad.

1275
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,199
And so there was a discussion where one of the panelists,

1276
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,760
a guy what was his name, Meddi Hassan, who's actually

1277
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:53,600
too extreme for MSNBC and has a really troubled track record,

1278
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:59,159
was calling the conservative guest a Nazi, and the conservative

1279
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:03,279
guest respond did with a joke about how he hoped

1280
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:08,680
that guy who's a big supporter of Well Ross hasbala.

1281
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Matthiasan is a terrible person. I mean he's an

1282
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,159
anti semi. I am not exaggerating here. He's a Katari.

1283
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,920
He basically took money for Qatar for years. And also

1284
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,640
I said terrible things about Christians, Atheists, gay people everything.

1285
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,439
He's just terrible person. So he's on there. He's let

1286
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,399
go from MSNBC because he is so nuts, right, CNN

1287
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,319
brings him on. There's some show with Abby Phillips or Philip,

1288
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,880
I forget her name. At night is like a rant.

1289
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,119
So it's the guy's name I think is Ryan Gerdsky.

1290
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:39,880
I don't really know him that well, but he's a

1291
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:44,159
conservative and he's actually quite good, I think on that

1292
01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:47,159
show the few times I've seen him. So Matthiasson's calling

1293
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:49,640
him a Nazi and he says, well, I hope your

1294
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,880
pager doesn't go off because they get angry at each other.

1295
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,319
He's immediately taken off the show. Abby Philip apologizes to

1296
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:01,079
Matti Hassan says, hope he comes back the show. So

1297
01:11:01,119 --> 01:11:04,119
it's okay to call someone who has done nothing, nothing

1298
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:07,039
to implicate him as a fascist or a nots or anything.

1299
01:11:07,039 --> 01:11:08,840
I mean, I don't know this guy. I'm assuming nothing

1300
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,760
does and yet the guy who is is this right

1301
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,319
to say the closest we actually have to Nazis in

1302
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:19,680
our media scope, you know who hates Jews, who is

1303
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,640
pro Hamas he is going to be back on the show. Now,

1304
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,039
tell me that is not morally just messed up. And

1305
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,239
you know, CNN is just every time I think a

1306
01:11:30,319 --> 01:11:32,880
network is the worst, another network does something to me.

1307
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,560
I'm like, oh, yeah, CNN is actually the worst. They

1308
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:40,319
worse than MSNBC. So every day, all day, like you say,

1309
01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:44,399
they were basically, you know, in deep thought about how

1310
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,479
we can live with fascism, how all these Nazis are

1311
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,399
going to take over, And then you're not allowed to

1312
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:54,000
make a joke. By the way, I hope your page

1313
01:11:54,119 --> 01:11:58,079
doesn't go off is probably not very nice, but I

1314
01:11:58,079 --> 01:12:00,840
don't think it should be a fireable offense, and certainly

1315
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,039
not in a heated argument where someone's calling you a

1316
01:12:03,079 --> 01:12:05,399
Nazi's not anyway, I don't know, it really bugged me

1317
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:06,920
last night, was all worked up about it.

1318
01:12:07,319 --> 01:12:10,800
Speaker 2: Well, I really hope that the media do not succeed

1319
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,159
in getting people killed. It seems like that's what their

1320
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,960
their goal is, seems to be violence or inciting people

1321
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,520
to violence, and it's it's worrisome. And I'm not saying

1322
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:22,119
that you're not allowed to call people harsh names or

1323
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,840
criticize them strongly. Of course you are, it's free country.

1324
01:12:25,279 --> 01:12:29,760
But I also think that people in positions of great

1325
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:34,800
influence should try, you know, try to try to particular

1326
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:36,600
I mean, why are we been talking at influence their

1327
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,239
news people. They shouldn't be doing this at all.

1328
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: I honestly have Mechdiasan on. I think it's great. He

1329
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:46,640
is so ridiculous that it just he hurts his cause.

1330
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,079
I don't know if you've ever seen Douglas, you know,

1331
01:12:48,079 --> 01:12:51,359
Douglas Maria's author. So he was in a debate with

1332
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,560
Macthiasan and he did what the Germans did to the

1333
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:56,960
Polish and World War two to mechdi Hassan. That funny

1334
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,960
thing about that is machdia Son is a book about

1335
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:02,039
I think it's had the titled how to Win Arguments

1336
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:04,720
or something. So he's destroyed every time he debates, and

1337
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,399
he was destroyed there and he needed to hide behind

1338
01:13:07,399 --> 01:13:11,119
someone's skirt as usual. And I don't even know what

1339
01:13:11,159 --> 01:13:12,479
I was talking about him, just angry.

1340
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think we should probably rip it did nobody

1341
01:13:18,039 --> 01:13:19,800
has made it to this point, and I think you

1342
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:20,319
and I.

1343
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 1: Know that everyone's made it. Everyone has made it. It's

1344
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:27,600
just captivating listening culture.

1345
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what do you have?

1346
01:13:32,079 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 1: I actually had a couple of things last week. I

1347
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,399
went to see a classical guitarist play, one of the

1348
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,319
greatest guitarist owner technically, his name is Marco Tapchi. I

1349
01:13:43,319 --> 01:13:46,840
think he's Ukrainian. Blew my mind. So I've been playing

1350
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,920
guitar for over thirty years and every time I see

1351
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,159
someone like this, I just put my guitars away. I'm like,

1352
01:13:51,159 --> 01:13:53,560
why am I even pretending that I know how to

1353
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,520
do this at all? The guy's fantastic, So I recommend

1354
01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,720
him if you're into that. I can only take so

1355
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:03,800
much the classical guitar, to be honest. Yeah, played Bach,

1356
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,239
I know you're a big fan. And just he transcribes himself.

1357
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:09,039
He was like a prodigy at four, he was like

1358
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:14,399
playing and he's just really amazing. The other thing I

1359
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:18,000
watched was just Real Quick was the a documentary. It's

1360
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,479
a three part documentary at Netflix about the Zodiac Killer.

1361
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,039
I thought it was interesting, but honestly, I had read

1362
01:14:27,079 --> 01:14:29,800
the book by one of the books by Robert gray Smith,

1363
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,439
and he had already kind of keyed in on this person.

1364
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:33,960
The cops of keed in on him. It seems to

1365
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:35,840
me his name is Arthur Lee Allen, that he was

1366
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,000
guilty for sure, and he probably, you know, almost surely

1367
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:41,800
is the zodiac. So that was interesting. I didn't give

1368
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,760
anything away by the way they start off with the

1369
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:46,560
guy's name. And then lastly, just quickly wanted to say

1370
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,479
I've been rewatching The Wire, which I think the greatest

1371
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,279
show probably ever made or up there, and I just

1372
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:54,319
want to mention that we've talked about journalism, films and

1373
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:57,199
people you know, and that kind of stuff, but season

1374
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:59,319
five of The Wire has the best depiction of a

1375
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:05,680
newsroom I've ever seen. It feels exactly like how the

1376
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:10,159
newsroom is at an newspaper when I worked there. But moreover,

1377
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:13,079
I think it's interesting because there's a guy who's sort

1378
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:16,720
of making up stories and how real journalis deal with that,

1379
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,520
and how some of the people in powers and people

1380
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:24,359
in charge don't care because the story is perfect and

1381
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:26,800
they like to hear it. So it reminded me a

1382
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,279
little bit of what's going on with you know, what

1383
01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:30,720
happened with CNN and the Russia collusion stuff and all that.

1384
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,760
So that's it, right, cool you.

1385
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:40,159
Speaker 2: I've been traveling a lot and reading and writing a lot,

1386
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:43,319
so I don't really have anything listening.

1387
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 1: To three hour podcasts on the plane instead of watching

1388
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,520
movies like you should be right.

1389
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 2: I did start watching this old Luthor movie from the

1390
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:57,159
fifties that is really good. It's on Amazon Prime. I

1391
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,760
wanted to watch the Luthor movie with is it Rafe

1392
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,920
Fines or Joseph Fines. I don't remember which. Fine, brother,

1393
01:16:06,199 --> 01:16:07,159
how are you saying that.

1394
01:16:08,199 --> 01:16:11,279
Speaker 1: Because Martin Luther movie. Okay, I'm sorry I didn't.

1395
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Reformation this week, so we celebrated Reformation on Sunday.

1396
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:15,279
Speaker 1: Oh.

1397
01:16:15,279 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 2: I actually going to say this. In my church, we

1398
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,600
do liturgical dressing, like we dress the color of the day.

1399
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,199
We don't do it necessarily during the ordinary time, which

1400
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:27,720
is just green for months, you know, but for other

1401
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,920
days you might wear red or purple or you know whatever.

1402
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:32,840
Gold is one of the options for.

1403
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: Well splash of color. Yeah, I get it.

1404
01:16:35,199 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 2: Reformation Day is a huge day for us. It's like

1405
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,880
a really big, you know, globally day where we celebrate

1406
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:45,920
the liberation of the Gospel and we wear red. And

1407
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,880
there are some women at my church who just go

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all out, and so I was like, you know what,

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I'm going to get into the competition this year. And

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I was wearing the brightest red, you know, silk shirt

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and knitpan and it was just red head to toe.

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And then I felt like the people I go to

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church with kind of brought it down a little bit

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this year. So I just looked like, Holy, this.

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Speaker 1: Is person, who is this insane person dressed in all red? Yes,

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red is not a fall color.

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Speaker 2: But this nineteen fifties Luther movie, which was written by

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Yaroslav Pelican, who's a great theologian who actually I know

1419
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as Orthodox, but it was I don't know, I'm really

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enjoying it. It just kind of gives the history in the context.

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And I had been in Italy this summer and I

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had such a wonderful time and I just loved the

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art and loved visiting the Vatican Museum and all that.

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And I hadn't you know, you study in high school

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and college about the political nature of you know, how

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politics plays into religious changes. But being in Rome and

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in the Vatican and kind of getting a sense for

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how much the Holy Roman Empire was empire and politics.

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It just helped me understand it better. And then I

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think that's also helping me understand what was happening with

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the Lutheran Reformation as well. So I'm only halfway through it,

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but it's like an over black and white thing.

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Speaker 1: It's good, all right, Molly. I think that was a

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pretty good episode. It might I think that might have

1435
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been our longest episode ever. And by the way, when

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you said I cut you off, I want people to

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know I didn't cut you off like in a rude way.

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Speaker 2: I cut you off because I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: It's okay. Our time had run out on my recording device,

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so I had to go to a new one. But no,

1441
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it's okay. Also go quickly. Want to mention my book

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is coming out soon. If people are interested, please reorder

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The Rise of Bluing on how the Democrats became a

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party of conspiracy theorists. I really think and hope that

1445
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it's going to be very topical, because from what I'm seeing,

1446
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it's going to be top pickle. Other than that, we'll

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be back next week, maybe sooner. Until them be Lovers

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of Freedom and Anxious for the Fray