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<v Speaker 1>Oh g is, folks, it's showtime.

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<v Speaker 2>People say good money to see this movie.

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<v Speaker 3>When they go out to a theater, they are cold

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<v Speaker 3>sodas popcorn in the Monsters in the protection booth.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.

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<v Speaker 1>Let it off.

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<v Speaker 2>A massive monster menaces the world, threatening the most intimate

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<v Speaker 2>terror a woman ever felt because of an experimenter with life.

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<v Speaker 2>The incredible two headed transplants.

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<v Speaker 5>Who are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm your brother?

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<v Speaker 7>You and I are now one dummy?

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<v Speaker 1>Get the concert?

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<v Speaker 7>What a young couple were killed up there in the

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<v Speaker 7>loop last night.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of kids plain they uh saw a giant

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<v Speaker 1>with two heads to.

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<v Speaker 4>Dogs pick.

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<v Speaker 2>No woman is safe from his deadly embrace. No man

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<v Speaker 2>is safe from his killer lust.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White.

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<v Speaker 6>Joining me once again is Ms.

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<v Speaker 8>Agatha luz Hi, Thank you for having me back.

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<v Speaker 6>Also back in the booth is mister tim Las.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh pardon me, I'm just enjoying some jecky and high

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<v Speaker 4>joy juice.

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<v Speaker 6>We wrap up October twenty twenty four, as well as

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<v Speaker 6>one of our three Patreon donor months, with one from

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<v Speaker 6>James Brummel, The Incredible two Headed Transplant. That's not the

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<v Speaker 6>one with Rosie Greer, nor is it the one from Japan.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the two Headed movie with Bruce Dern as a

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<v Speaker 6>mad scientist who combines the body and brain of a

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<v Speaker 6>man child who only knows what he reads in the

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<v Speaker 6>New York Post with the head of a psychotic killer.

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<v Speaker 6>It's Master Blaster all in one body. We will be

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<v Speaker 6>spoiling this film as we go ahead, so if you

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<v Speaker 6>don't want anything ruined for you, please turn off the

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<v Speaker 6>podcast and come back after you've seen the incredible two

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<v Speaker 6>Headed Transplant. You will not be sorry. So, Tim, when

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<v Speaker 6>was the first time you saw this film and what

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<v Speaker 6>did you think?

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<v Speaker 9>Sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll admit actually watching it for this was the first time.

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<v Speaker 4>It's one of those ones, and I will confess when

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<v Speaker 4>we were going to do this, I got confused and

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was the thing with two heads that we

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<v Speaker 4>were doing. So I was like, oh, oh, it's the

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<v Speaker 4>other one with Bruce Dern. So I had been curious

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<v Speaker 4>to see it. I've seen a lot of clips from

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<v Speaker 4>like it came from Hollywood, and read about it in

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<v Speaker 4>the Golden Turkey Awards, so I was curious and it's

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<v Speaker 4>an interesting one. There are some cinematic techniques I think

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<v Speaker 4>are really cool in it, but I'll admit I it

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<v Speaker 4>didn't really grab me. I think it's kind of slow.

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<v Speaker 4>I think Brewstern seems to be on some kind of

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<v Speaker 4>depressive tranquilizing for most of it. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>times they're like, oh, they're going to go in an interesting

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<v Speaker 4>direction with this, and like, oh, no, no, not really,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just sort of doing this. But there are some

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<v Speaker 4>things I really enjoyed it and found kind of fascinating

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<v Speaker 4>that we'll get into.

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<v Speaker 6>And how about yourself.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm certain I saw this on MST three K at

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<v Speaker 8>some point in my decade long history of watching it,

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<v Speaker 8>but this was the first time I think I'd paid

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<v Speaker 8>full attention to the movie as a whole, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the whole way through. And I was very interested in

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<v Speaker 8>some of the editing techniques out of really out of

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<v Speaker 8>left field for a movie like this, But beyond that,

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<v Speaker 8>it was just it was a little dry for me.

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted more humor or more action. It was just

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<v Speaker 8>I felt empty when it was over.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the editing techniques really grab you right from the

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<v Speaker 6>get go and don't let go. They really reminded me

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of easy Rider with that kind of flashing

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<v Speaker 6>forward between what you're watching now, and then it's very

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<v Speaker 6>odd later on when they have flashed backs to a

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<v Speaker 6>childhood trauma and I'm just like, wait, are we going forward? No, No,

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<v Speaker 6>we're going back in time. This was the first time

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<v Speaker 6>watched for me as well. I have to say that

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<v Speaker 6>Patroon donor James Bremble is very into this movie and

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<v Speaker 6>wrote up a whole lot of stuff for me to

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<v Speaker 6>talk about. So thank you James for doing that, because

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<v Speaker 6>I would have gone a little bit more surfacing on

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<v Speaker 6>something like this and just had a good time making

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<v Speaker 6>fun of it. But instead, we're going to try to

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<v Speaker 6>dive a little bit deeper and get into some of

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<v Speaker 6>the nitty gritty with this stuff, because it is an

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<v Speaker 6>interesting entry in the two headed person genre, or even

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<v Speaker 6>just the brain transplant genre. I mean, of course, you

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<v Speaker 6>know the brain that who Wouldn't Die has some similarities

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<v Speaker 6>to that, especially with the lab assistant Max in this

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<v Speaker 6>one who really wants to have a new body. But

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<v Speaker 6>it's interesting that he wants to have a new body

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<v Speaker 6>rather than Bruce Dern. Bruce Dern just seems as this

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<v Speaker 6>mad scientist just seems very content to make two headed creatures.

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<v Speaker 6>He just loves making two headed creatures in his lab,

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<v Speaker 6>which is part of his suburban home, which is a

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<v Speaker 6>very odd choice.

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<v Speaker 4>He also seems to be pretty easily influenced, like Maxil

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<v Speaker 4>constantly be like, we have to keep him alive. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you're right. And when it comes to the big you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the operation itself, maxis the one is like, we've got

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<v Speaker 4>two perfect specimens. We should do it, we should do

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<v Speaker 4>this horrible evil thing. And He's just like, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 4>prem for surgery. Fun.

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<v Speaker 8>But there is something I kind of love about having

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<v Speaker 8>a mad scientist lab in the basement of a suburban

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<v Speaker 8>dwelling because where would you not expect it to be?

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<v Speaker 8>Right there in the middle of kind of I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 8>they're more well to do given that they have servants,

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<v Speaker 8>so right there was I'm not imagining a servant, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean you have Danny and his father being

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<v Speaker 4>kind of the caretaker and Dartness, so right there.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>So it's it's kind of like danger could be anywhere,

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<v Speaker 8>it's even in the suburbs.

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<v Speaker 4>It also brought to mind for me like the Delambre

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<v Speaker 4>family from The Fly that you know, you have this

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful Bucolic nice house and the wife and kid, and

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<v Speaker 4>then dad can go downstairs, close this big metal door

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<v Speaker 4>locket and do all sorts of unseemly bizarre stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>ends up with heads where they don't belong.

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<v Speaker 6>This also fit in for me with the whole mind

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<v Speaker 6>transfer thing. There's a great movie called Change of Mind.

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<v Speaker 6>Well it's not great. There's a movie called Change of

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<v Speaker 6>Mind where it is a and this we'll talk a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit more about this when we talk about the

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<v Speaker 6>thing with two heads. It's a African American gentleman who

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<v Speaker 6>gets the brain of a white person transferred into his

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<v Speaker 6>brain into his head, so then he gets to experience

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<v Speaker 6>all of the racism, much more heartfelt and touching than

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<v Speaker 6>the whole Rosy Gar Raymond Land thing that we have

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<v Speaker 6>going on later on. But yeah, this was when I

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<v Speaker 6>was really not that familiar with I don't remember it

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<v Speaker 6>being part of it came from Hollywood. I believe you

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<v Speaker 6>that it was. I definitely remembered some of those shots,

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<v Speaker 6>like Manster when you see the eye on the shoulder,

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<v Speaker 6>which reminds me a lot of the Stephen King story

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<v Speaker 6>where the eyes start showing up on parts of the

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<v Speaker 6>body that they should be. And then the of course

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of clips from the thing with two heads,

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<v Speaker 6>especially that do you have two of anything else?

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<v Speaker 4>Lyne?

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's one of the best ones that are

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<v Speaker 6>in there. But yeah, this one really had gone under

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<v Speaker 6>the radar for me, except I definitely had seen that

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<v Speaker 6>image of John Bloom as Danny the Manchild character with

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<v Speaker 6>is it Albert Cole? Is it casts that's on his shoulder?

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<v Speaker 6>Albert Cole, who just, man, oh man, he loves being evil.

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<v Speaker 6>He has the best time being evil. And there's so

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<v Speaker 6>many times where you cut to him and he's just

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<v Speaker 6>like moving his eyes back and forth and gnashing his teeth.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's not like a poor Taylor Vince kind

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<v Speaker 6>of eyemotion, but he's just like moving his eyes and

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<v Speaker 6>looking around and just like, what can I get into next?

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<v Speaker 6>Because this guy just loves doing evil.

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<v Speaker 8>And he's so randomly evil too. He's just like, I'm

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<v Speaker 8>just going to run over here and grab a woman

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<v Speaker 8>because I can, and now I'm going to run in

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<v Speaker 8>And it's just like this this wacky, gleeful murder spree.

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<v Speaker 8>He just isn't going to pull back from it, and

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<v Speaker 8>the actor just goes with it. I was impressed by

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<v Speaker 8>that level of acting. Honestly, he just dug into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever we get a close with him, all I can

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<v Speaker 4>think was like, well, Dwight Fry would look at this

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<v Speaker 4>and go, hm, maybe you should pull back a little bit. Yes, right.

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<v Speaker 6>He kind of reminded me of John Aston a little bit,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know, just I don't know the shape of

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<v Speaker 6>his face or something, and he's got that little mustache.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, he's not Gomez or anything, but he's getting close.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, we start off with him having murdered a

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<v Speaker 6>woman's husband and has her hostage, and there's we get

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<v Speaker 6>to see the phone is off the wall and you

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<v Speaker 6>hear the voice on the other end, and you're just like, wow,

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<v Speaker 6>something bad is going on right now. And then you

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<v Speaker 6>start those flashes, you know, and we've talked about those

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<v Speaker 6>flash cuts and everything, and we get to see the

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<v Speaker 6>cops show up, and I just love how he's surrounded

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<v Speaker 6>by these cops and he's not going to give up

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<v Speaker 6>his weapon or anything. Well, I think he does eventually

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<v Speaker 6>drop that huge butcher knife or like cleaver.

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<v Speaker 8>He was holding upside down.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, he didn't want to accidentally murder that on

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<v Speaker 6>then and then he takes a frickin' header out of

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<v Speaker 6>a window to avoid being captured. But luckily there's two

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<v Speaker 6>cops right outside.

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<v Speaker 4>I got to say the coppers, these are like the

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<v Speaker 4>calmest cops I've ever seen chasing down a serial killer.

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<v Speaker 4>The two guys like keV Steady, why don't you put

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<v Speaker 4>that down? And when he jumps out, there's that one

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<v Speaker 4>walking up with a smile, just like, Hi, I got you, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually love Cole's reaction in the very quick courtroom

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<v Speaker 4>scene we have that he's kind of like, got this smirk,

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<v Speaker 4>and then as soon as the judge says that he's

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<v Speaker 4>insane and going to a mental hospital, he freaks out

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<v Speaker 4>like he's insulted by this idea that he is he

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<v Speaker 4>is not competent.

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<v Speaker 6>I love it. He will stay there until his sanity

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<v Speaker 6>has been restored. We get to quickly meet the manchild

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<v Speaker 6>who I mentioned before and kept confusing me because his

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<v Speaker 6>name is John Blum. I kept thinking of Joe Bob Briggs,

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<v Speaker 6>but no, very different person Danny and his I guess

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<v Speaker 6>it's his caretaker, or is it his dad. This cast guy,

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's his dad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be his dad,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's what the sheriff says at one point.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, which really starts to set up this whole father

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<v Speaker 6>relationship that we have and that we'll talk about as

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<v Speaker 6>we go along. But yeah, it's interesting too that is

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<v Speaker 6>played by Albert Cole, and I found a nice article

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<v Speaker 6>about him where he was actually a horror host, so

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<v Speaker 6>it's kind of interesting seeing him show up in this.

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<v Speaker 6>So that was kind of a nice thing too, that

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<v Speaker 6>he's not only playing the father of Danny, but then

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<v Speaker 4>Oh see, I thought it was the guy who plays

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Albert Cole, Right, No, no,

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<v Speaker 6>as Andrew. My bad. I'm sorry I was mixing up

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<v Speaker 4>I have to have like a list of the names

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<v Speaker 4>most of the time to be able to keep him straight.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well it is, but it is coal it is,

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<v Speaker 6>so I guess it's the killer's son. Yeah, because this

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<v Speaker 6>Leslie Cole is young Danny. So the killer's son.

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<v Speaker 6>Interesting, Okay, I didn't not catch that. All of these

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<v Speaker 4>In terms of Leslie playing the young Danny, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>sure if it was just a case of he was

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<v Speaker 4>just on set and they're like, hey, he looks enough

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<v Speaker 4>like Bloom, let's get him in here and play the part,

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<v Speaker 4>or if that was some kind of weird, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>subconscious idea they had about this future association he's gonna

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<v Speaker 6>I imagine he was just on set, Yes, but he.

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<v Speaker 4>Looks enough like Boom, and I gotta say, looking at

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<v Speaker 4>Bloom whenever he's walking around, my god, that guy is

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<v Speaker 4>just huge. I started to wonder if they were patting

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<v Speaker 4>up his shoulders, because his shoulders had this weird roundness

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<v Speaker 4>to them. But he's tall enough that I'm not sure.

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<v Speaker 8>But I would imagine I have no evidence for this,

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<v Speaker 8>but I would imagine they built up the shoulders a

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<v Speaker 4>And I hadn't realized I had seen him before in

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<v Speaker 4>a few things. We saw Dracula versus Frankenstein, and that

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<v Speaker 4>the kind of accost Kirk and McCoy when they're on

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<v Speaker 4>the penal colony, well, it's like their obedience to the brotherhood,

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<v Speaker 4>and then Emmon shows up and helps them, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>the creepy chef from The Great Outdoors when John Canny's

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<v Speaker 4>doing the old ninety sixer. Oh god, the big smile thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's like the only part of that movie I

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<v Speaker 6>remember is him trying this stuff down that steak and

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<v Speaker 6>then he's got all the gristle and stuff. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 6>you gotta finish it all. Oh god.

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<v Speaker 4>I also saw him credited for Harry and the Henderson's

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<v Speaker 4>as Feet, and I'm like, was he like Kevin Peter

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<v Speaker 4>Hol's foot double or something right? Or is there a

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<v Speaker 4>character named Feet that I can remember? I could not

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<v Speaker 4>find out, but I was really curious because I love

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<v Speaker 4>that movie.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he is huge, and I think he actually gets

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<v Speaker 6>a really good performance here, especially when it comes to

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<v Speaker 6>after he gets the surgery and he's got Kass on

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<v Speaker 6>going after the pat Priest's character at one point and

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<v Speaker 6>you see this look on his face like no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to do even though he's reaching out

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<v Speaker 6>whole like he's not strong enough mentally to fend off

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<v Speaker 4>The first time he sees her after the operation, when

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<v Speaker 4>she is in the lab and he has this smile like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh it's a friendly face. Oh help me, and then

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<v Speaker 4>you see that Cass is just like, yes, I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to have this woman. Seeing those two contrasting smiles is

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<v Speaker 4>really creepy. That was actually a really great moment.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there are some really good things in here. I

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<v Speaker 6>love Casey Casem when he shows up. Always love seeing

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<v Speaker 6>Casey Casem. I love that they were smart enough to

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<v Speaker 6>use him as a radio voice for all of the

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<v Speaker 6>police updates, which was good. Kind of throws on a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit different of a voice. It's not the top

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<v Speaker 6>forty Casey Casem. It's the much more serious version, the

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<v Speaker 6>one who gets the goddamn death dedications. That's the one

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<v Speaker 6>that has come into play when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 6>updates from the cops.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the thing I was waiting for, you know, take

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<v Speaker 4>me out of an upbeat temple for a dedication to

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<v Speaker 4>a dead monkey. I cannot think of Casey Kasem, not

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<v Speaker 4>think of that audio clip. I did notice that when

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, We've got to destroy it Roger.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when he first shows up again after you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a month, and it's like he's on vacation. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 4>did Casey have larynge? I just want he filmed this

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<v Speaker 4>scene because his voice is very gravelly for just one scene.

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<v Speaker 4>I do wonder, though I don't know what is what.

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<v Speaker 4>The Ken character does not seem to like Danny. Like

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<v Speaker 4>there's that scene when Danny and Andrew are pulling the

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<v Speaker 4>stump out and he's watching with this kind of skeptical hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how I feel about this, and then

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<v Speaker 4>they cut back to Danny looking at him like and

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<v Speaker 4>that makes sense because you know Danny has a crush

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<v Speaker 4>on Linda, and he probably instinctively knows this guy kind

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<v Speaker 4>of has a thing for Linda too. But I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know what it is about Ken looking at him looking like,

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<v Speaker 4>h I don't like this for whatever reason, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Would be a much better partner to Linda than Roger is, because,

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<v Speaker 6>like I said, Bruce den is just obsessed with creating

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<v Speaker 6>two headed creatures. And that's really the crux of this

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<v Speaker 6>movie is this whole domestic relationship between Roger and Linda,

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<v Speaker 6>between Bruce Stern and Pat Priest, and that he is

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<v Speaker 6>ignoring her, and he is putting all of his work

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<v Speaker 6>before the relationship with her. And we've got this whole

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<v Speaker 6>thing of her waiting for him for dinner and you know,

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<v Speaker 6>the labs break downstairs or whatever. But like she's waiting

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<v Speaker 6>for him, she's not allowed to bother him, I guess,

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<v Speaker 6>and she's just gets stood up for dinner in the

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<v Speaker 6>same house and I'm like, come on. But yeah, meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 6>Ken Casey casem he's you know, oh well, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you got to help him out and all these like

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<v Speaker 6>really trying to play cad and get those relationships fixed,

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<v Speaker 6>even though yeah, you can definitely tell you that he's

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<v Speaker 6>got a crush on Linda, and who wouldn't because Pat Priest,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, she is not shy about showing herself in

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<v Speaker 6>this movie. There's so many times where it's just like

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<v Speaker 6>bikini briefs, you know, like coming out of the bath,

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<v Speaker 6>all these things of like, wow, okay, they really were

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<v Speaker 6>playing up. She's away from the confines of being Marilyn

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<v Speaker 6>on the Monsters and now she can do whatever the

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<v Speaker 4>I also feel like they were serving him very particular

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<v Speaker 4>fan base where it's like, Okay, let's tie he up,

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<v Speaker 4>let's throw in a cage, let's talk. Oh god, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>there's you can really feel the exploitation roots of that

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<v Speaker 4>movie in any scene with her being tied up or

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<v Speaker 4>or locked away somewhere or gagged. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of that.

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<v Speaker 6>It felt like an Irving Claw film.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, ken Is definitely has a thing for Linda and

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<v Speaker 4>would be a better partner. But you see even Danny

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<v Speaker 4>he's kind of is better and that he's attentive, like

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<v Speaker 4>when she's guarding, he comes over, he wants to help

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<v Speaker 4>out the when everything goes wrong, he's coming back with

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<v Speaker 4>a big thing of flowers to give to her. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean he's thoughtful in the way that Roger is absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 6>One hundred percent. Yeah, he's really kind of a.

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<v Speaker 4>Shit, Yes he really is.

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<v Speaker 6>And yeah, we should talk about Max, Who's It's very

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<v Speaker 6>interesting Barry Kroger is Max. He shown so many times

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<v Speaker 6>before he gets a name, and I'm just like, who

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<v Speaker 6>the hell is this guy? And the way that they

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<v Speaker 6>do these flash cuts, they were like cutting to him.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, who is this guy? Where's he at? Even

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<v Speaker 6>and then finally I'm like, oh, he's in the lab.

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<v Speaker 6>And then you see him with these gloves on. He

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<v Speaker 6>starts to talk about his hands and I really wants

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<v Speaker 6>these new hands, and it's just like we've seen and

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<v Speaker 6>a lot of these types of movies, this whole like, well,

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<v Speaker 6>my old body, my current body is starting to you know,

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<v Speaker 6>wear down or I've got issues, and I really need

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<v Speaker 6>a new body to do this. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>how good Danny would be at like surgery stuff with

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<v Speaker 6>those big fucking paws he's got, but you know, it

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<v Speaker 6>would definitely give give Max a few more years, let's say.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he also reminded me he's like the sinister version

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<v Speaker 4>of the really cute hunchbacked assistant from House of Dracula,

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<v Speaker 4>who's like helping out, just waiting for the research to

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<v Speaker 4>get there so she can be cured. Except she's really

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<v Speaker 4>sweet and nice, and this guy is just sinister and

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<v Speaker 4>evil as hell, right down to the gloves. I kept

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<v Speaker 4>thinking of like rot Winging from Metropolis or Doctor Strangelove

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<v Speaker 4>for a while there. When it comes to Mad Science,

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<v Speaker 4>if you have a glove on, you're not a good person.

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<v Speaker 4>You're somebody to be careful love. And I almost felt

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<v Speaker 4>like I wish we had gotten a movie where it

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<v Speaker 4>was his head on Danny, because he is kind of

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<v Speaker 4>the villain of the movie for me, he's the real

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<v Speaker 4>motivator for he like, you know, he got perfectly good

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<v Speaker 4>dying homicidal maniac. We've got, you know, a developmentally disabled

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<v Speaker 4>guy who nobody's gonna miss. You know, we could do this.

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<v Speaker 4>And he's constantly like, no, we shouldn't kill him, we

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<v Speaker 4>should keephim alive. Yeah, maybe that'd be a good idea.

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<v Speaker 4>And Roger just seems to be on board, which made

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<v Speaker 4>me wonder was Max, like maybe his mentor at some point,

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<v Speaker 4>not just an assistant, but like this really you know,

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<v Speaker 4>important colleague. Maybe he could have done this stuff if

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<v Speaker 4>his hands were working.

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<v Speaker 8>Which actually brings up something really interesting and I'd love

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<v Speaker 8>to dig more into. But I'm coming up against a

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<v Speaker 8>brick walls. I'm hoping maybe one of you will have

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<v Speaker 8>more to go with it. But the relationships between Roger

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<v Speaker 8>and Max set up against the relationship of Roger and

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<v Speaker 8>Linda is really interesting because he seems to care so

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<v Speaker 8>much more about what Max thinks, and he doesn't care

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<v Speaker 8>what Linda thinks. Linda is just an extra being in

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<v Speaker 8>the house, so it's I mean, they're married, so there

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<v Speaker 8>has to be a stronger relationship there than with his

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<v Speaker 8>partner basically, But I was wondering if either of you

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<v Speaker 8>had anything to say about I did notice two up

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<v Speaker 8>against each other.

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<v Speaker 4>I did notice a couple of key moments where we

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<v Speaker 4>see Max, you know, when Linda comes up or Linda's

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<v Speaker 4>in the scene, and he's just doing that kind of

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<v Speaker 4>scowl of just like, oh no, I don't want her around,

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<v Speaker 4>which brought to mind like Reanimator and Jeffrey Comb's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>there's a woman involved. They'll never be able to get

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<v Speaker 4>my experiments done with if Barbara Crampton's around, get her

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<v Speaker 4>out of the room. So I almost feel like it's,

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00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:36.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, he's jealous just because he wants the time

423
00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.160
<v Speaker 4>to do with these experiments and she's a distraction in

424
00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:41.880
<v Speaker 4>his eyes. But I really like to know what the

425
00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:44.319
<v Speaker 4>hospital breakdown thing is it happened to Roger and does

426
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.039
<v Speaker 4>it involve Max, because we have this, you know, thing

427
00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.519
<v Speaker 4>about he had a breakdown, he wasn't allowed back at

428
00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.480
<v Speaker 4>the hospital and he's really bitter about that. And since

429
00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:54.920
<v Speaker 4>Max is here, I'm like, was it something involving these

430
00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.480
<v Speaker 4>two guys that made did he go to bat form

431
00:21:57.599 --> 00:22:00.160
<v Speaker 4>or something? Did something weird happen? I don't know, but

432
00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:01.359
<v Speaker 4>I'm curious about that.

433
00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:04.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I can totally see Max being a mentor to

434
00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:08.119
<v Speaker 6>him at some point, and yeah, teaching him these techniques

435
00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:11.839
<v Speaker 6>that were maybe you know, not approved by the board,

436
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:15.319
<v Speaker 6>not approved by the medical community, and that's what eventually

437
00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.480
<v Speaker 6>gets Max or gets Roger kicked out, or maybe even

438
00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:21.400
<v Speaker 6>got Max kicked out originally, and then Roger soon follows.

439
00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:25.000
<v Speaker 6>It is interesting just how many father son relationships there

440
00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:28.559
<v Speaker 6>are in here, both real father sons as far as

441
00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:32.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, Danny and his father, and then you have

442
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:37.119
<v Speaker 6>this kind of paternal relationship between Max and Roger and

443
00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:40.119
<v Speaker 6>then this whole thing of like, you know, when Danny

444
00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:42.319
<v Speaker 6>wakes up, what does Cole say to him, Oh, I'm

445
00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:45.039
<v Speaker 6>your brother, And I'm like, okay, that's interesting. And he's

446
00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.240
<v Speaker 6>kind of like the new creature with the two heads

447
00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:50.920
<v Speaker 6>is almost the son of Roger and Max, you know,

448
00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.599
<v Speaker 6>rather than being a natural son, you know, we can

449
00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:56.880
<v Speaker 6>talk about Frankenstein as well, rather than being that natural

450
00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:02.599
<v Speaker 6>son that Victor Frankenstein and Elizabeth or Elizabeth right like

451
00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:05.720
<v Speaker 6>they should have had together. Instead, he's making his own

452
00:23:06.039 --> 00:23:08.440
<v Speaker 6>son with you know, Igor and the lab or whatever.

453
00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:10.720
<v Speaker 6>And he's just like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm creating

454
00:23:10.839 --> 00:23:14.279
<v Speaker 6>life here rather than creating life with my partner, who

455
00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.920
<v Speaker 6>I should be having this, but instead I'm way too

456
00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:19.839
<v Speaker 6>interested in like, oh, I'll put another head on here,

457
00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:21.400
<v Speaker 6>and then I'll swap that one out and now I've

458
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.200
<v Speaker 6>got a new body. Hey, this is great.

459
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:25.720
<v Speaker 4>It's funny you bring that up, because I started noticing

460
00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.680
<v Speaker 4>a lot of parallels with Frankenstein, specifically the universal monster

461
00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:31.920
<v Speaker 4>ones that, like you said, you have Elizabeth and those

462
00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.960
<v Speaker 4>who's like the ignored fiance, and you have Linda Hear,

463
00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.319
<v Speaker 4>the ignored wife, and then you have Max who seems

464
00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:38.519
<v Speaker 4>to be a fusion of both Fritz the lab assistant,

465
00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 4>but also doctor Pretorius, the one who's so.

466
00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:44.880
<v Speaker 6>Doctor Pretorious, especially the gayness of doctor Pretorius.

467
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.400
<v Speaker 4>And leading him down this terrible path. You've got the

468
00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 4>Lynch Mob. You've got Ken, who's sort of like a

469
00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.799
<v Speaker 4>Victor Morritz character from the original one, the one who's

470
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:54.799
<v Speaker 4>going to show up and at least it's assumed in

471
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:57.759
<v Speaker 4>the first movie take care of Elizabeth once Henry's out

472
00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:01.000
<v Speaker 4>of the way. And Ken's also sort of doctor Baldman character,

473
00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.160
<v Speaker 4>the Edward van Sloane, other doctor who's a colleague who's

474
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.240
<v Speaker 4>more rational, is like, you've got to stop this stuff.

475
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:08.319
<v Speaker 4>Lots of weird little parallels like that.

476
00:24:08.799 --> 00:24:10.799
<v Speaker 6>Well, and then of course the end, which I know

477
00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 6>we'll get to eventually, but yeah, that end is so Frankenstein.

478
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 6>I think I even wrote that in my notes with

479
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:19.160
<v Speaker 6>this whole, like you know, and it's more right of Frankenstein.

480
00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:22.759
<v Speaker 6>It's almost we belong dead, and like literally we belong

481
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:23.839
<v Speaker 6>dead when it comes to that.

482
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.519
<v Speaker 4>And yet I kept thinking, is Danny gonna have a

483
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.279
<v Speaker 4>moment where he finally asserts control and stops some Moor,

484
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:31.000
<v Speaker 4>saves Linden, but he doesn't he doesn't at all.

485
00:24:31.319 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 8>Danny has the worst story. I feel so bad for

486
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 8>this character. What happens before the movie starts, of course,

487
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 8>how he loses oxygen to his brain and he isn't

488
00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 8>the same person, but he's still attracted to this place

489
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.440
<v Speaker 8>of trauma, which, by the way, it's a cave system,

490
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:51.640
<v Speaker 8>so it's it's the womb.

491
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:55.559
<v Speaker 4>I was also thinking sort of the dark subconscious too,

492
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.000
<v Speaker 4>so it's gotten multiple metaphorical ideas.

493
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.000
<v Speaker 8>He's deeply attracted to this cave's because it was a

494
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.119
<v Speaker 8>place of trauma and still is a place of trauma.

495
00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:09.359
<v Speaker 8>Then he he has this horrific surgery happened to him.

496
00:25:09.680 --> 00:25:15.440
<v Speaker 8>He's subjected to seeing his own body commit murders and

497
00:25:15.680 --> 00:25:20.640
<v Speaker 8>rapes and assaults, and then he dies where he would

498
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 8>have died if they'd left him in the cave system

499
00:25:23.039 --> 00:25:26.400
<v Speaker 8>years ago. So he is the worst, most tragic story

500
00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.160
<v Speaker 8>of this whole movie. I feel for him so much.

501
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 4>In that last shot where we see he's conscious as

502
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the cave that's happening all around him, it's just, oh,

503
00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 4>it's awful. Yeah. I also not sort of a parallel

504
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:41.000
<v Speaker 4>between Danny Manny as I kind of call him and

505
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.920
<v Speaker 4>Roger and Max that. I mean, you have in Roger

506
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.759
<v Speaker 4>and Max's case, Max is like this, this malign influence

507
00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 4>is kind of like we should do this, we should

508
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.640
<v Speaker 4>do this, And Roger doesn't seem to have the stones

509
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:53.160
<v Speaker 4>to be like, no, I'm not doing that. He's immediately like, yeah,

510
00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:55.400
<v Speaker 4>you're right, we'll do this. He's powerless to stop him,

511
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.920
<v Speaker 4>and the same way Manny is doing this horrible stuff

512
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.319
<v Speaker 4>and Danny is completely powerless to actually put a stop to.

513
00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:00.680
<v Speaker 6>Any of it.

514
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 8>Okay, so you kind of just cracked it open that

515
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.359
<v Speaker 8>there are two two headed monsters.

516
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, there you go. Exactly.

517
00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.519
<v Speaker 6>Max might as well have be that, you know, he's

518
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 6>the devil on the shoulder, just like how Manny is

519
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 6>that or cast is that devil on Danny's shoulder. Yeah,

520
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.519
<v Speaker 6>I love that. I think that's fantastic.

521
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:23.440
<v Speaker 4>And how many times visually Max and Roger just paired together,

522
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:25.039
<v Speaker 4>whether they're you know, with their guns hunting in the

523
00:26:25.039 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 4>mountains or in the lab, they're always in sony scenes together.

524
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:32.079
<v Speaker 6>There's definitely a lot more than just like oh, this,

525
00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.000
<v Speaker 6>you know, cheap exploitation film, and it is cheap, and

526
00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 6>there's great like gore effects and things like that. As

527
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 6>soon as the movie starts, I'm like, oh, I'm in

528
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.000
<v Speaker 6>for something here. And then the score, Oh my god,

529
00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 6>the score drives me freaking crazy because it is all

530
00:26:47.319 --> 00:26:50.440
<v Speaker 6>over the place and some of the jazz flute that

531
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 6>they have going on during these scenes, I'm just like,

532
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 6>what is happening here? This is I mean, I kind

533
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.240
<v Speaker 6>of love it and I kind of hate it at

534
00:26:58.240 --> 00:26:58.880
<v Speaker 6>the same time.

535
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 4>Light symbol taps for suspense when like, you know, Manny

536
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 4>is sneaking into the house, things like that, or there's

537
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:07.480
<v Speaker 4>one success you have notes that keeps remind me of

538
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 4>the Ifukube score from Godzilla. That bomb boom boom boom

539
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.279
<v Speaker 4>after Godzilla's rampage that we hear a couple of times too.

540
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 4>I will say the music when he wakes up in

541
00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:17.680
<v Speaker 4>the lab for the first time, he's actually creepy. I

542
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:19.680
<v Speaker 4>actually thought that was a really good little piece of music.

543
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:23.200
<v Speaker 4>There are points where I'm like, is this diegetic music?

544
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:24.799
<v Speaker 4>Is this like on the radio in the car or

545
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.000
<v Speaker 4>is this supposed to be score? I can't quite tell.

546
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.559
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it sounds like when they come to the

547
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:35.240
<v Speaker 6>bikers after Danny, the two headed Danny escapes, you know,

548
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 6>thanks to his his friend on his shoulder there, and

549
00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 6>they go out and they find these bikers. I mean,

550
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.279
<v Speaker 6>first they find the smoochers, they find all the people

551
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 6>that are out there and on Lover's lane, and the

552
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 6>reaction from the one couple that isn't being killed is

553
00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:53.480
<v Speaker 6>just kind of like, huh, what's going on over there?

554
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:57.480
<v Speaker 6>That's interesting, that's kind of weird. Yeah, somebody should look

555
00:27:57.480 --> 00:28:00.799
<v Speaker 6>into that sometime and talk about in a effective I mean,

556
00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 6>they're pretty ineffective. The bikers can't do anything against the

557
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 6>two headed creature, and the cops are the most ineffective

558
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.960
<v Speaker 6>cops I've seen in a long darn time.

559
00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.279
<v Speaker 4>Right down to the deputy having that voice. Oh you sure?

560
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.799
<v Speaker 6>Oh my god? I mean, is that adr because it

561
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.400
<v Speaker 6>sounds like later on in the movie it's his real voice,

562
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 6>but those for a few times he's on screen. The

563
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 6>guy's on riff tracks described it as being sounding like

564
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.920
<v Speaker 6>a cartoon bear. I was like, yeah, yeah, I can

565
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:28.799
<v Speaker 6>definitely hear that.

566
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And then then the last scene it sounds like

567
00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:32.920
<v Speaker 4>we were hearing the actor's voice and he's doing that voice.

568
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 4>So I don't know if he just gave a little

569
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:38.000
<v Speaker 4>extra juice in looping or what. Because the sheriff in

570
00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 4>that scene, first scene where we first meet them too.

571
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 4>His voice sounds a little crazy too. Yeah, I suddenly

572
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 4>thought of the two idiot patrolmen from last house on

573
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.119
<v Speaker 4>the left door there for like comic relief for the town,

574
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 4>the dreaded sendown where the cops are just completely useless

575
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 4>and hilarious in that.

576
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean they almost always are in these films.

577
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 6>It's very rare that you find competent police force, especially

578
00:28:58.480 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 6>when there's a monster who's terrorizing the countryside.

579
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Or as they point out on riff tracks, the sheriff

580
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 4>meets this doctor out of nowhere who you point out

581
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 4>has something important to tell him, but never actually does

582
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 4>tell him, and he immediately it's like, come along on

583
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:11.160
<v Speaker 4>the murder investigation.

584
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:14.519
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you could be of use. You're a doctor. That

585
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:18.160
<v Speaker 8>means you can do forensics right of course.

586
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 4>Which amount to she's dead and she's been beating up

587
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.759
<v Speaker 4>a lot a lot of bones broken, good job, But why.

588
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 8>Did you stop by? What did you want to tell me?

589
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:28.039
<v Speaker 4>Or then there's this cave in and nobody seems to

590
00:29:28.039 --> 00:29:30.400
<v Speaker 4>be concerned about, well, should we try to excavate and

591
00:29:30.440 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 4>get them out of there the way we did? Danny

592
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:34.440
<v Speaker 4>back in the day, maybe some of them could still

593
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 4>be alive. But no, no, just walk away, good please work,

594
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 4>just put a plaque on it. Oh and by the way,

595
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 4>Danny did it. Danny did it all. Great, good job,

596
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 4>Ken nice. You could have just said it was Cass,

597
00:29:46.119 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 4>you know they know he's around, But no, I just.

598
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:52.440
<v Speaker 6>Throw it on the guy, the poor god.

599
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 8>I mean, blame it on the doctor. Even if you're

600
00:29:56.359 --> 00:30:00.039
<v Speaker 8>a little worried about Cass being just ahead in the

601
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 8>blame it on the doctor exactly.

602
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 6>I mean, the better count as lucky stars that they're

603
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.960
<v Speaker 6>not doing that excavation and not finding like an extra

604
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 6>skull in there.

605
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 4>But after everything happened to Danny, laying it all on

606
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 4>his feet is just like one more you know, injury,

607
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.079
<v Speaker 4>and one more insult after injury.

608
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 8>It's like no sense lost in that case, I know, to.

609
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Protect this insane scientists like why, I.

610
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 6>Was really surprised that the incredible two headed transplant actually

611
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 6>makes it into Bruce Dern's autobiography. It did, and yeah,

612
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.359
<v Speaker 6>which was wild and he's just like, yeah, they called

613
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 6>me up and said, do you want to make seventeen

614
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:41.480
<v Speaker 6>fifty for working on this? And that's one thy, seven

615
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.160
<v Speaker 6>hundred and fifty dollars, not seventeen point five zero, though

616
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 6>it feels like that much effort went into this performance,

617
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 6>because I just can't believe I've never seen Bruce Dern

618
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 6>as sedate as he is in this role, never, like,

619
00:30:55.920 --> 00:30:58.039
<v Speaker 6>no matter what, it's amazing.

620
00:30:58.480 --> 00:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>What's your next app is to take the live head

621
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:07.799
<v Speaker 1>of an animal and replace it completely with the other

622
00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>live animal's head, and after that then humans and I

623
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:20.319
<v Speaker 1>am successful with this operation, then I'll be able to

624
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>do it.

625
00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:25.480
<v Speaker 8>I honestly thought he'd been very poorly eighty yard the

626
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.440
<v Speaker 8>whole time. It was just so mumbly. He was talking

627
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 8>like this the whole time. No matter what emotion he

628
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.559
<v Speaker 8>should have been having, it was just like he was

629
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.960
<v Speaker 8>clouded with barbituates.

630
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 4>Coming into this. I'm thinking, like, you know, during in

631
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:43.599
<v Speaker 4>Silent Running in Black Sunday, that we're going to get

632
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 4>a really unhinged during his Mad Scientist and he starts

633
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 4>off todate and I'm like, Okay, he's starting us quiet,

634
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:50.200
<v Speaker 4>but we're going to ramp it up, and no, we

635
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 4>really don't. He gets a little upset when talking about

636
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.839
<v Speaker 4>the hospital. He gets really upset when Ken's on the

637
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.279
<v Speaker 4>phone and he doesn't want to go answer it. But

638
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 4>otherwise it's like when they're they're hunting Denny's. Yeah, well

639
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 4>we'll go back out a little bit and try and

640
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.279
<v Speaker 4>find him. Just like he just he's so tuned out.

641
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 4>I expected we were gonna see him like injecting himself

642
00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.279
<v Speaker 4>with tranquilizers at some point or something.

643
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 6>To explain it that phone call that he gets so

644
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 6>angry at him. Just what was the direction in this moment,

645
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 6>Anthony Liansa, What were you doing? Why was he so

646
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:24.200
<v Speaker 6>angry at this? Yeah, and yeah, I was surprised that

647
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 6>he wasn't even doing experiments on himself or something like

648
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 6>you said, like shooting tranquilizers or doing some sort of

649
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 6>like chemical experiments on himself to be like, oh, well,

650
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:35.079
<v Speaker 6>I can be a better person because of X, Y

651
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.240
<v Speaker 6>and Z, like the science has opened up all these

652
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 6>new avenues for me. But no, it's just the two

653
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.880
<v Speaker 6>headedness of everything. And he's so inspired by that two

654
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 6>headed snake and just keeps going back to that. Okay, Yeah,

655
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.039
<v Speaker 6>I guess that's the whole symbol for the film.

656
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 4>Also, like, I mean, he's willing to turn a shotgun

657
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 4>on his best friend very casually, just like, yeah, nope,

658
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>we're not doing that. I'm gonna throw my wife in

659
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:00.160
<v Speaker 4>a cage again, very casually.

660
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.599
<v Speaker 6>When castik's that extension chord or the chord from the

661
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 6>phone or whatever and just like turns her around and

662
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:10.400
<v Speaker 6>starts to like, okay, spread your legs. I'm just like,

663
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 6>all right, this feels like a scene to me. This

664
00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:14.759
<v Speaker 6>feels like you guys had a contract sign before you

665
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:16.000
<v Speaker 6>started to play together.

666
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that was a that was kind of uncomfortable. I

667
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 4>could help. But notice he pulls out the power chord

668
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 4>that's lighting up that painting. A couple of scenes later,

669
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 4>this painting is lit up again, So I just imagine

670
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 4>Roger like, well, gotta get this going again. He's like,

671
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 4>that's that's where his priorities are. He's gonna have that

672
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:33.119
<v Speaker 4>painting lit again and looking perfect. And I almost feel

673
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:34.839
<v Speaker 4>like you could have done something with that, the idea

674
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.480
<v Speaker 4>that Roger is so depraved that he's very sedate about

675
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.599
<v Speaker 4>all this and nothing affects him, but it doesn't feel

676
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:40.640
<v Speaker 4>consistent enough to worry.

677
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.559
<v Speaker 8>The other movies would have shown him either be that

678
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:47.400
<v Speaker 8>cold all the way through about everything, but like chilly

679
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 8>instead of kind of like bored almost, or they could

680
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Speaker 8>have shown us that he has an addiction problem, or

681
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.839
<v Speaker 8>they could have gone even further out and said hypnotism.

682
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.799
<v Speaker 8>They could have done something to explain why the character

683
00:34:02.920 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 8>is so one note.

684
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:06.559
<v Speaker 4>We're wondering that if Max has him hypnotized or something,

685
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:08.199
<v Speaker 4>and that's why every time he's like we should do this,

686
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 4>he's like, yes, yeah, we should do that. One little

687
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.480
<v Speaker 4>touch that durn did and I'm not sure if it

688
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 4>was on purpose or what it means is there's a

689
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.760
<v Speaker 4>great moment when when Danny comes in after the murders

690
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 4>and finds his dad and starts cradling the body, and

691
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 4>you can see Darren just kind of roll his eyes

692
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.400
<v Speaker 4>like ah shit, and it's like, I wasn't sure if

693
00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.000
<v Speaker 4>to take it up. Oh, I really didn't want Danny

694
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 4>to see his murdered father's body of oh shit, now

695
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.039
<v Speaker 4>he's gonna be caught up with that. I'll never get

696
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.800
<v Speaker 4>untied and be able to get after this guy. Either way.

697
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.920
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a nice touch on Durren's part, though.

698
00:34:38.760 --> 00:34:41.559
<v Speaker 6>I almost wonder if he and Casey Caysm should have

699
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 6>exchanged roles and it should have been like the Casey

700
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 6>Cason Vehicle where he's the mad scientist and Bruce Durn's

701
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 6>the friend. Because Casey Kasem barely has anything to do

702
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:53.039
<v Speaker 6>in this movie. He just kind of shows up or

703
00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:55.679
<v Speaker 6>like gives him a call, Hey, don't forget, I'm coming over,

704
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.039
<v Speaker 6>and then he shows up later and hey, remember I

705
00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 6>said i'd be over. There's no real reason for any

706
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 6>of that stuff to happen.

707
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:07.800
<v Speaker 8>They could literally just switch lines, keep their delivery the same,

708
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 8>and I think it would be an infinitely better film.

709
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're right, although then we might not get Casey

710
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 4>Casem's amazing ensembles because he'd been in a lab coat

711
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 4>all the time, those high giant collar shirts and that

712
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 4>weird funky tie he has. He's looking stylish.

713
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 6>I love how easily cast breaks out of the mental asylum.

714
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.440
<v Speaker 6>Kind of reminded me of a lot of Michael Myers,

715
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 6>you know, just like, Okay, he's gone, don't worry about it.

716
00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:36.280
<v Speaker 6>He chokes out. The one guy jumps into the car,

717
00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 6>it happens to have a whole bottle of milk there,

718
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.760
<v Speaker 6>so that was very convenient. Who's leaving milk in their

719
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.239
<v Speaker 6>hot car?

720
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 4>I don't know. Ooh, I do have to mention. That

721
00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 4>scene has one of my favorite cuts in the movie too,

722
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:51.280
<v Speaker 4>because it cuts straight from Roger and Linda are starting

723
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 4>to make love and he's kind of on top, and

724
00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.119
<v Speaker 4>we immediately cut to a shot of cast strangling the guy,

725
00:35:55.159 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 4>and it's like, Yes, this is sex for him, is violence.

726
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.079
<v Speaker 4>This is what turns him on is strangling people. I

727
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:03.360
<v Speaker 4>thought the way those two cut together is really really cool.

728
00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.440
<v Speaker 4>That's a I thought that was a really great transition.

729
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:08.639
<v Speaker 8>I do actually want to look further into the editor's

730
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.239
<v Speaker 8>career because.

731
00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 4>It's the director.

732
00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 8>Oh this, the director did this. Oh fantastic, Okay, so

733
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:21.039
<v Speaker 8>I love it. I think there's a use for this

734
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:26.400
<v Speaker 8>editing style outside of this story, because this particular story

735
00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 8>needed a lot more work to be able to live

736
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:29.840
<v Speaker 8>up to that editing.

737
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 4>I think he was primarily an editor because he has

738
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.440
<v Speaker 4>a much bigger editing career than he does as a director,

739
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.280
<v Speaker 4>both before and after, So this might have been kind

740
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:39.800
<v Speaker 4>of him trying up directing. I think he directed one

741
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 4>of a film before this, possibly, but yeah.

742
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 6>I want to say it was The Glory Stompers, because

743
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:46.199
<v Speaker 6>I did read an interview with him and he was

744
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:48.480
<v Speaker 6>just like, yeah, I helped out this person I helped

745
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 6>that this person, you know, this definitely seemed like he

746
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.360
<v Speaker 6>was much more behind the scenes than actively directing for

747
00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:55.559
<v Speaker 6>quite a bit of his career.

748
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.920
<v Speaker 8>And I'm not saying he was a bad director outside

749
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:03.480
<v Speaker 8>of the cuts, not at all, but those were stellar.

750
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:04.920
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah.

751
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 4>Another one I love is when they're talking about the

752
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.119
<v Speaker 4>monkey and taking the experiment to the next phase of

753
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, cutting off the head and seeing if the

754
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:13.519
<v Speaker 4>other one will take it and take control of the body.

755
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.679
<v Speaker 4>And we cut from Max staring at the monkey with

756
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 4>this an instant smile, right to Andrew with the clippers

757
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 4>clipping the heads like chop, chop chop. Beautiful cut. I

758
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 4>love that. I love the idea. These cuts are kind

759
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.880
<v Speaker 4>of letting us in on the mindsets of these characters.

760
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 6>Even just those little things like Danny with his axe

761
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:33.599
<v Speaker 6>and he's running along the bushes and stuff, and it's

762
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.039
<v Speaker 6>just like, hey, hey, Danny, it's not a toy, you know,

763
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 6>it's just showing like how carefree he is. And then

764
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 6>it's just awful. Like again to your point, Agatha, just

765
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 6>what a broad deal this poor guy has had, Like

766
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.480
<v Speaker 6>he seems to be doing pretty okay with his life

767
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 6>when we first meet him and able to use his

768
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 6>enormous strength to rip out a tree from the ground

769
00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 6>that has absolutely no roots or root system. But yeah,

770
00:37:57.239 --> 00:37:59.639
<v Speaker 6>it's just amazing to see him, and it seems like

771
00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 6>him and his dad are getting along pretty well and

772
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 6>just you know, his dad's watching out for him. And

773
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 6>then yeah, he gets everything taken away from him, everything.

774
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.920
<v Speaker 4>And I love the little edit cuts of Andrew his

775
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 4>father during the operation scene, like little almost subliminal and

776
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 4>always you know, cutting from Roger to that like this

777
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 4>is on Roger's mind of like I promised I'd look

778
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.719
<v Speaker 4>after him, and this is how I'm going to do it. Apparently.

779
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he edited some interesting things Anthony Lanza and this film.

780
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 6>Of course. The previous one was Dinah East, which I

781
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 6>feel like we've talked about on the show before. It

782
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 6>was the kind of odd Gene Nash film that was

783
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:43.159
<v Speaker 6>allegedly about May West, that there were all these rumors

784
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 6>that she was actually a man. And so when this

785
00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:49.719
<v Speaker 6>star dies and they Dinah East and they go yeah,

786
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 6>May West, Dyna East, and they go in and they

787
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 6>take pictures of the body and they find out, oh,

788
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 6>she was a man all the long. It was absolutely

789
00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 6>bizarre exploitation film. It was kind of hard to find

790
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.639
<v Speaker 6>for a while, but fortunately question Mark it's a little

791
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 6>bit easier these days.

792
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 8>Good because I want to find it. I want to

793
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:07.320
<v Speaker 8>see this.

794
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 6>I think you will have a good time.

795
00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 8>Excellent.

796
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 4>I did notice some titles in this hormography, like Outlaw

797
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:14.719
<v Speaker 4>Motorcycles on hot Rod Action that feel like the kind

798
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 4>of exploitation movies that would the style would lend well

799
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 4>to what we see here. Like the biker fight for example.

800
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, the biker flight fight is actually okay.

801
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 4>He does a very good job of cutting it in

802
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:26.320
<v Speaker 4>such a way where he's trying to hide the fake

803
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:28.559
<v Speaker 4>head during the fight scene, Like there's a moment where

804
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 4>they're kind of circling each other and it's just at

805
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.960
<v Speaker 4>that moment that the biker kind of blocks what we

806
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 4>would have seen of the fake head, And I thought

807
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 4>that was again a really clever way of not letting

808
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 4>us set it too much. There's some scenes where the

809
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 4>fake head doesn't look bad. Some scenes where it bounces

810
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:43.400
<v Speaker 4>around a lot, like when he's chasing after the woman

811
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.920
<v Speaker 4>in the lake where it looks a little goofy, but

812
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 4>or even the walking scenes where you can tell it's

813
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 4>like Cole like perched on his shoulder, moving with Bloom

814
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 4>as they're walking, but it actually kind of works. They

815
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 4>actually do a pretty good job with that.

816
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.679
<v Speaker 6>And when they show the actual actor on the shoulder,

817
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:03.239
<v Speaker 6>I think those shots are just fantastic. And it helps

818
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 6>that Bloom is just built like such a brick shithouse

819
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 6>that to fit this little actor on his shoulder works

820
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:10.039
<v Speaker 6>pretty darn well.

821
00:40:10.800 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 4>Also, maybe I'm just kind of imagining it, but I

822
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.719
<v Speaker 4>swear as the film went on, they started to make

823
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:16.480
<v Speaker 4>up Cold a little bit to look a little gray

824
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 4>and ashen, almost like his body is rejecting the transplant.

825
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:22.599
<v Speaker 4>It's very subtle, but you can especially see on the

826
00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.559
<v Speaker 4>fake head that in some wide shots his head looks

827
00:40:24.559 --> 00:40:27.960
<v Speaker 4>almost gray, which I thought, if that was on purpose,

828
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 4>that's really subtle and interesting.

829
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 6>I'd like to think it was on purpose, but I

830
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:35.920
<v Speaker 6>don't imagine it was. And then, like we were saying earlier,

831
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:39.320
<v Speaker 6>we'd come to the end of this film and literally

832
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:43.000
<v Speaker 6>have the mob going after poor Danny with his two heads,

833
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 6>and yeah, that idea of I'm going to go back

834
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.400
<v Speaker 6>to this cave, back to the womb and pull the

835
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:53.719
<v Speaker 6>walls down behind me, And yeah, it's awful. It is

836
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.119
<v Speaker 6>so bad that the poor guy goes, but at least

837
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.000
<v Speaker 6>he takes everyone bad with him, well most bad people.

838
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, every time they showed like the posse out with

839
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 4>the hounds and then cut to Danny running across like

840
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:08.840
<v Speaker 4>the countryside, all I can think it was dark Knight

841
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 4>of the Scarecrow, and I made me wonder maybe this

842
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.760
<v Speaker 4>posse would have gone on God after Danny eventually anyway,

843
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 4>just because he's different, you know.

844
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it is remarkable that they don't really bring that

845
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.639
<v Speaker 6>up too much. And just like some of the language

846
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.440
<v Speaker 6>around him, they're not calling them simple or any of

847
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 6>these words that you would associate with them or like.

848
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 6>It kind of reminded me of the Sun from Faster

849
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.920
<v Speaker 6>Pussycat Kill Kill, just who's just like pure muscle and

850
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 6>no hate, you know, like he seems pretty pretty just stupid,

851
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 6>stupid and big, and that's so much of Danny's m O.

852
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.719
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I really I like this guy and I

853
00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.440
<v Speaker 6>really pull for him. And then it's just awful, all

854
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.960
<v Speaker 6>of these bad things. I don't know if it's Bloom

855
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.760
<v Speaker 6>and his ability to act. I don't know if it's

856
00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:55.519
<v Speaker 6>just the way that they characterize this character, but it

857
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 6>all comes together for me with this with Danny and

858
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 6>just making me feel bad for the character, which I

859
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:04.320
<v Speaker 6>feel a lot worse for him than I do pretty

860
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 6>much any of these other two headed characters that we're

861
00:42:06.280 --> 00:42:07.719
<v Speaker 6>going to talk about in the next segment.

862
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 4>The scene where he goes back to the mine the

863
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:13.159
<v Speaker 4>first time and we just see that sort of curiosity

864
00:42:13.159 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 4>but also fear and trauma and kind of remembering how

865
00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:17.679
<v Speaker 4>he was as a kid and he still kind of

866
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 4>is now. That the way that plays on blooms Face,

867
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 4>I think is actually really good. That's a good I

868
00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 4>thought that was a great scene.

869
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:25.519
<v Speaker 6>When the audio is very effective there too, hearing those

870
00:42:25.559 --> 00:42:28.679
<v Speaker 6>echoes and hearing the flashback audio and things just like

871
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.039
<v Speaker 6>bringing up those memories, hearing people calling his name. I

872
00:42:32.119 --> 00:42:33.760
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, yeah, that's really good.

873
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.159
<v Speaker 4>And him playing with like a toy gun outside the

874
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.280
<v Speaker 4>mind and you can imagine playing like cops and robbers

875
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 4>and the bad guys of course are going to hide

876
00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 4>in there and I'm going to go get him. And

877
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.320
<v Speaker 4>that's exactly what he ends up doing with Nanny, that

878
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 4>he actually leads him to this place to be their

879
00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 4>hiding place, almost like yes, this is where evils belongs.

880
00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:52.440
<v Speaker 4>It belongs in this dark, nasty cave with this terrible

881
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:53.119
<v Speaker 4>thing happened to me.

882
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:59.239
<v Speaker 6>I kept waiting for Roman to come marching, Oh fool humans.

883
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 4>To give credit to a few things, there's an amazing

884
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 4>shot when he's going after the two teenagers in the

885
00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.639
<v Speaker 4>cars where he's coming out of the swamp silhouetted and

886
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 4>you just see like the car in the foreground and

887
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:09.920
<v Speaker 4>him kind of lurching out of the swamp with an

888
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.360
<v Speaker 4>arm out that I thought was actually really effective too.

889
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 4>That was a creepy shot. It also creeped me out

890
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 4>a little bit that the girl in the second car

891
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.039
<v Speaker 4>is screaming no, you know, trying to get away from

892
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the boyfriend, and the couple in the front car is

893
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:21.639
<v Speaker 4>just like whatever.

894
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 8>Well, there's there's also the fact that she's being assaulted

895
00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 8>and trying to leave. He brings her back in the

896
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:34.440
<v Speaker 8>car and Danny Manny Monster come up and the would

897
00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 8>be rapist is now clinging to his would be victim

898
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:41.880
<v Speaker 8>just out of terror. It was just an interesting moment,

899
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 8>but it still left me kind of like, oh, what's

900
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 8>going to happen now, Like that's the end of their

901
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 8>lives here. She was almost a rape. She's definitely assaulted

902
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 8>and now she is murdered. This is terrible. And right

903
00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 8>there behind them is a car with a couple making out.

904
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I also have to bring up the very ominous

905
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:06.719
<v Speaker 4>thing when Linda's asking Roger is there anything you could

906
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.639
<v Speaker 4>do for Danny? And he's like maybe after the next experiment,

907
00:44:09.679 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what was Roger gonna do to help me?

908
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 4>Any quotation mark Stanny? He does transplants, what what would

909
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 4>he do in this situation?

910
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 8>And when Linda asks if they can go away on vacation,

911
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 8>you can understand they've been through a lot of stress.

912
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 8>Something happened at the hospital. Now some weird stuff is

913
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:32.639
<v Speaker 8>happening at their house, and he asks, he asks Linda, well,

914
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 8>what do you want me to do about my work?

915
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 8>I don't know, Maybe maybe don't do creepy work.

916
00:44:40.239 --> 00:44:42.280
<v Speaker 4>Maybe let Max take care of the monkeys and bunnies

917
00:44:42.280 --> 00:44:43.079
<v Speaker 4>for those.

918
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.760
<v Speaker 8>You know, you have an assistant who can manage.

919
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.599
<v Speaker 4>He's much more attentive to this kind of thing. I

920
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:50.679
<v Speaker 4>also have to bring up the amazing cut of when

921
00:44:50.679 --> 00:44:53.079
<v Speaker 4>they're talking about, you know, I'll go to the sheriff eventually,

922
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 4>I'll I'm gonna send Max in town, He'll take care

923
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.840
<v Speaker 4>of Andrew's funeral. Cut immediately to Max just digging up

924
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 4>a hole in the backyard to dump the two bottom.

925
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:03.079
<v Speaker 4>It's like, oh god, again, this poor family.

926
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and you're just like, well, what's their whole story?

927
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.440
<v Speaker 6>Like why is it just the father and the son?

928
00:45:09.599 --> 00:45:13.400
<v Speaker 6>Like what happened to the mom? Like yeah, it's You're like, okay,

929
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.400
<v Speaker 6>well this is a damaged group as well. Pretty much

930
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:16.760
<v Speaker 6>everybody in here is damaged.

931
00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.639
<v Speaker 4>Again that quote from Danny's father of like, I appreciate

932
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.159
<v Speaker 4>you looking out for my boy. It's like, so what

933
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 4>was he expecting of Roger and Linda in terms of

934
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:25.800
<v Speaker 4>looking out Because he's still there and taking care of

935
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.719
<v Speaker 4>his son, So I'm kind of curious as to what

936
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:29.679
<v Speaker 4>he was expecting there.

937
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I mentioned that this was a request from James Brummel,

938
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.440
<v Speaker 6>and one of his notes that he gave to me

939
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.719
<v Speaker 6>was the idea of the heading the two headed Snake,

940
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.239
<v Speaker 6>which keeps going back to Yeah.

941
00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 8>I'll notice Mack's doing that.

942
00:45:44.199 --> 00:45:47.119
<v Speaker 4>A lot, especially while while Roger's making up his mind

943
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 4>about the operation. It does seem kind of suggestive.

944
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:53.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, kind of reminds me of that line from The

945
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 6>Incredible Two or sorry from the thing with two heads,

946
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 6>you know, do you have two of anything else? I

947
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 6>don't know why you would that. It seems like a

948
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:02.559
<v Speaker 6>very odd surgery to do.

949
00:46:02.519 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 4>But it's an odd situation. So yeah, I wonder if

950
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:07.679
<v Speaker 4>part of it was also practical, because it's the only

951
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.559
<v Speaker 4>animal that actually does have two heads, and if you

952
00:46:09.599 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 4>start petting the bunny or the monkey, you know, the

953
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 4>prosthetic one might come off. I will say the fake

954
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 4>monkey head looked good to the point where I was

955
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.599
<v Speaker 4>a little worried. Was that like a taxidermied monkey head

956
00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.280
<v Speaker 4>that they put on that monkey? I hope, yeah, not.

957
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 6>But well, the very first shout of the monkey, it

958
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 6>almost looked like the other head was hiding, you know,

959
00:46:28.199 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 6>that there was a second monkey that was actually there.

960
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:32.960
<v Speaker 6>But then that was the only time I thought, are

961
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:35.000
<v Speaker 6>there actually two monkeys here? Because the rest of it,

962
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:38.159
<v Speaker 6>I was like, Okay, I can see that that's not real.

963
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, to your point, it did look really good

964
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 6>in a lot of places, And yeah, so did the

965
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 6>whole two heads on Danny. It looked pretty good most

966
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 6>of the time, and I'm just like, okay, I can

967
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 6>overlook when it looked bad, you know, like when he

968
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.480
<v Speaker 6>is running and stuff. I'm like, all right, but yeah,

969
00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 6>they did a good job of trying to cover that up.

970
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 8>I know this comes up in a lot of movies,

971
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 8>and especially to some degree exploitation films, but the lab

972
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 8>tour made me very uncomfortable, as even though we're seeing,

973
00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:11.320
<v Speaker 8>you know, a two headed rabbit or whatever, that's a

974
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 8>rabbit actually experiencing those conditions you put them in, I

975
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:21.440
<v Speaker 8>don't like that actually, which it just the raw nature

976
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 8>of the film itself just highlighted the conditions for the

977
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 8>actual creatures in there.

978
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:29.880
<v Speaker 4>And with this sort of prosthetic head mounted on it

979
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.280
<v Speaker 4>probably could not have been comfortable.

980
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:34.719
<v Speaker 6>Now. Yeah, when they show that fox, the first animal

981
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 6>I think they shows the fox, I'm just like, oh,

982
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:37.000
<v Speaker 6>that poor thing.

983
00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

984
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 4>I actually kept having flashes to Larry Fessenden's No Telling,

985
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 4>which is very similar in a lot of ways. It

986
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:44.199
<v Speaker 4>involves transplants, it has the same love triangle with the

987
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 4>mad scientists, the wife and the good guy who's kind

988
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.280
<v Speaker 4>of trying to lure her out of this. There was

989
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 4>a lot of a lot of parallels between those two movies.

990
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:54.239
<v Speaker 6>We're going to take a break and we'll be back

991
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:57.199
<v Speaker 6>with more of this right after these brief messages.

992
00:47:58.159 --> 00:47:59.760
<v Speaker 5>Remember the stories that kept you awake?

993
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 8>They living in that closet. Dr Fenner, can you still

994
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 8>hear the screams?

995
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I love having the children?

996
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 5>Forget it all from your television set in a night

997
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 5>gallery a dark chid. Midnight Viewing the Horror Anthology podcast

998
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:21.039
<v Speaker 5>join hosts fatherm Alone, Mike White, and Christashie as they

999
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.559
<v Speaker 5>exhumed some of the most infamous horror television of all time.

1000
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:29.360
<v Speaker 5>Midnight Viewing from weirding Way Media Too.

1001
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 1>Next time, get me a burdy.

1002
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:35.519
<v Speaker 6>Please.

1003
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 10>A white bigot needed a new buddy. A black soul

1004
00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 10>brother needed time to prove his innocence. Together, they unwillingly

1005
00:48:48.840 --> 00:48:52.679
<v Speaker 10>created one of the most horrifying aspects of modern medical science,

1006
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:54.840
<v Speaker 10>The Thing with two heads.

1007
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:02.079
<v Speaker 7>I've told you guys, I was in the little Why

1008
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 7>do you gotta do this to me?

1009
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>Why do you do this to me? Oh my god,

1010
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you're crazy.

1011
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:18.400
<v Speaker 4>You'll never get out of here, that's what you think.

1012
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 11>Hold everybody, hold.

1013
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 1>It right there?

1014
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.559
<v Speaker 11>Will somebody do something?

1015
00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 10>A chase that crossed four counties and threatened the destruction of.

1016
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:29.360
<v Speaker 6>An entire town.

1017
00:49:44.760 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 9>He's taking control of your body.

1018
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 11>Hold one head.

1019
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 10>A convicted murderer, the other a scientist guilty of only

1020
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:58.679
<v Speaker 10>his bigotry and hate, and each trying desperately to gain

1021
00:49:58.800 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 10>full control.

1022
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 7>Of them black body.

1023
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 6>They shared.

1024
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:26.760
<v Speaker 10>Raymonland and Rosie Greer as shut up.

1025
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>The Thing with Two Heads.

1026
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.480
<v Speaker 6>That's right, and we're back and we're talking about the

1027
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:41.000
<v Speaker 6>two Headed Transplant. And I was very curious about the

1028
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.519
<v Speaker 6>timeline between this and the Thing with Two Heads, because

1029
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 6>this one, incredible two Headed Transplant came out nineteen seventy one,

1030
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 6>and it sounds like they were maybe making the second

1031
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 6>one right around this time, but I didn't. There was

1032
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Speaker 6>a nice interview with James Gordon White that was on

1033
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 6>the Incredible Two Headed Transplant disc and he was saying

1034
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.159
<v Speaker 6>that he got a little bit of money because of

1035
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:11.760
<v Speaker 6>the Thing with Two Heads, and I think you even

1036
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 6>see his name listed in the credits. So I was

1037
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.000
<v Speaker 6>glad that he did get a little bit from that

1038
00:51:18.039 --> 00:51:20.599
<v Speaker 6>because these two movies, I mean, to have two two

1039
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 6>headed movies coming out. I mean, this is not like

1040
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.960
<v Speaker 6>an Armageddon deep impact kind of thing, but it's close,

1041
00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 6>but it's the two headedness of it all.

1042
00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:30.480
<v Speaker 4>I also know it's another name. I think it was

1043
00:51:30.599 --> 00:51:32.719
<v Speaker 4>a John Lawrence and Johnathon Lawrence. I wasn't sure if

1044
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 4>that was the same person connected between the two of

1045
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 4>the moves list is like, I think an executive producer

1046
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 4>on Thing with Two Heads, and are these these are

1047
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:40.280
<v Speaker 4>both aip? Right?

1048
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:41.360
<v Speaker 6>They are?

1049
00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:43.239
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Oh yeah. It's not like another company trying to

1050
00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:45.920
<v Speaker 4>rip off or kind of copy that. They're just like, well,

1051
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 4>we did that, maybe we can do it again differently.

1052
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.519
<v Speaker 8>What I like about the two films coming from the

1053
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 8>same house, basically, is that the two headed transplant is

1054
00:51:57.079 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 8>kind of the movies the film serious way of looking

1055
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 8>at it, quote unquote serious. But then you get the

1056
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:06.320
<v Speaker 8>Thing with two Heads, and you're getting a takedown, a

1057
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 8>black exploitations takedown of that movie of another exploitation film,

1058
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 8>and it's so tongue in cheek and I love it.

1059
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:20.559
<v Speaker 8>I actually wished we had been doing The Thing with

1060
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.119
<v Speaker 8>Two Heads because I loved it so much, and I

1061
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 8>had seen it for this, so it wasn't like I

1062
00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.599
<v Speaker 8>had known about the film ahead of time. But as

1063
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:36.639
<v Speaker 8>a commentary about films like this, it was fantastic. Plus,

1064
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 8>it's not the Thing with two heads, according to the titles,

1065
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 8>it's the Thing with two heads heads.

1066
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 4>That's true.

1067
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 6>Yes, yes, thank you. Yes, I forgot about that.

1068
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:49.719
<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah. Yeah, this is the

1069
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.599
<v Speaker 4>one I had seen and remembered as a kid. So

1070
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 4>I was eager to see it again because it's been

1071
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 4>so long and there was so much I missed as

1072
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 4>a kid, because you know, as a kid, you're just like,

1073
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 4>all right, well, are we going to get to the

1074
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 4>either the grill of the two heads or the two

1075
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.519
<v Speaker 4>headed guy. So a lot of the first act leading

1076
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:05.840
<v Speaker 4>up to it, how Ray Miland just seems to be like, Oh,

1077
00:53:05.840 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 4>he's this crusty but intelligent doctor. Okay, And then once

1078
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:10.840
<v Speaker 4>the reel comes at, Oh yeah, I'm not hiring you

1079
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:13.440
<v Speaker 4>because you're black, and you realize, oh, that's what this

1080
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 4>guy's about.

1081
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:19.239
<v Speaker 8>Whoof I had that momentary? What movie or we will?

1082
00:53:19.320 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 8>Oh that's the point. Yeah, okay, I know what movie

1083
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 8>we're watching now? This is okay?

1084
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:28.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that was surprising and just how vicious he is

1085
00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 6>about things, because you're like, is he going to go there? Oh?

1086
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:33.400
<v Speaker 6>He went there? Okay, all right.

1087
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:35.320
<v Speaker 4>And it's kind of funny to see you have Bruce

1088
00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:38.639
<v Speaker 4>Dern starting off in kind of B movies and incredible

1089
00:53:38.679 --> 00:53:40.199
<v Speaker 4>to it, and Transplant is kind of the last of

1090
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:42.599
<v Speaker 4>the really goofy be movies he did. Then you have

1091
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:44.519
<v Speaker 4>Ray Milan on the opposite spectrum, near the end of

1092
00:53:44.559 --> 00:53:46.719
<v Speaker 4>his career doing a B movie. But I gotta say,

1093
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:48.800
<v Speaker 4>Milan doesn't really feel like he's phoning it in. He's

1094
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 4>kinda he's doing it.

1095
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.360
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, that's the thing. Nobody is giving half assed

1096
00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 6>performances in this one. It is all the way. And

1097
00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.280
<v Speaker 6>I really like Rosie Greer and here, but I really

1098
00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:06.000
<v Speaker 6>like Don Marshall as the black doctor who's being discriminated against.

1099
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:07.599
<v Speaker 6>I thought it was great.

1100
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he kind of feels like our side protagonist eventually

1101
00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:11.880
<v Speaker 4>because he's the guy, kind of the guy making the

1102
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:15.239
<v Speaker 4>moral choices in the second half and kind of he's

1103
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:16.880
<v Speaker 4>the one we're sort of following through all.

1104
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 6>This, right. Yeah, he's like Max of Max was good, Yeah, exactly,

1105
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 6>because he you know, he could be the guy who

1106
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.519
<v Speaker 6>helped save you know, save either Rosie Greer or rayma Land.

1107
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.360
<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's funny because this movie is very similar

1108
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 6>to one of my favorite films in the entire world,

1109
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:34.679
<v Speaker 6>Free Jack, with this whole idea of you know, I

1110
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.000
<v Speaker 6>need a different body. This one is dying, Give me

1111
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.280
<v Speaker 6>a new body. And then this whole idea of like, oh, yeah,

1112
00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 6>we've got a body for you, but it's a black guy. Sorry,

1113
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.800
<v Speaker 6>my bad, you know, And I really like that little twist.

1114
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 6>I would say that I would like the thing with

1115
00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 6>two heads heads a little bit more if they cut

1116
00:54:54.000 --> 00:54:56.280
<v Speaker 6>down on the moped stuff towards the end, because that

1117
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 6>just goes on forever and talk about looking bad with

1118
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.679
<v Speaker 6>the two heads. That's where it really shines for me.

1119
00:55:03.079 --> 00:55:06.679
<v Speaker 8>It did go on way too long, but to be fair,

1120
00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 8>it did that thing where it went on and it

1121
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.360
<v Speaker 8>was funny and then it stopped being funny because it

1122
00:55:12.400 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 8>went on too long, but then it kept going so

1123
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 8>it was funny again, and it just kind of built

1124
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 8>on itself.

1125
00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 4>And when you see like Bud Eckens listing in the

1126
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.320
<v Speaker 4>credits as a stunt coordinator, you know you're going to

1127
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.880
<v Speaker 4>get some amazing motorcycle stuff. And some of those stunts

1128
00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:26.920
<v Speaker 4>are so good you can tell. It's like, we had

1129
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 4>what five cameras on that crash, use every bit of them.

1130
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:32.159
<v Speaker 4>Oh there's suddenly just another car following them that rolls

1131
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:35.119
<v Speaker 4>down the hill the same way. I will say. During

1132
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.000
<v Speaker 4>that scene, though, Raymaland's fake head started to look like

1133
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 4>beetlejuice at some point, hair flying, pale, dark wem rings

1134
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 4>around the eyes. It was a little awkward.

1135
00:55:44.159 --> 00:55:46.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I really like this one though. I think it's great,

1136
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:49.519
<v Speaker 6>especially when the girlfriend comes back into it and you've

1137
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.960
<v Speaker 6>got the whole idea of, you know, trying to prove

1138
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 6>Rosie's innocence, and I'm like, okay, all of this. These

1139
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 6>subplots actually really work for this, and they wrap up.

1140
00:55:59.199 --> 00:56:03.800
<v Speaker 8>Everything is up and the reveal at the end of

1141
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:07.320
<v Speaker 8>the film, the reveal, We're all in the car, we're

1142
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:11.800
<v Speaker 8>singing about our freedom. Everything is fantastic. This white dead

1143
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:16.199
<v Speaker 8>guy is off my head. I mean I turned to

1144
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:20.119
<v Speaker 8>Tim and I feel that repeating this because it's you know, Yodoreowski.

1145
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 8>But this reveal is second to the reveal in The

1146
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:25.639
<v Speaker 8>Holy Mountains.

1147
00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:25.920
<v Speaker 9>For me.

1148
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 8>It was just perfect. And I can't say enough about

1149
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:33.679
<v Speaker 8>that reveal.

1150
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah I won't. I won't spoil it for people because

1151
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:38.960
<v Speaker 6>they definitely need to see it with their own eyes,

1152
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 6>because yeah, it is a glorious thing.

1153
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 4>I really like Rosie Gru's performance. I love things about

1154
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 4>his character, like that he sees this as Okay, this

1155
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 4>will bide me time until they can prove my innocence,

1156
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.280
<v Speaker 4>and then when it's revealed what they did, and he's like,

1157
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:51.840
<v Speaker 4>I thought you were just gonna like take out some

1158
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 4>of my organs give him to some kid. I didn't

1159
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:55.559
<v Speaker 4>know you're gonna do this. So even when he signed

1160
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:57.639
<v Speaker 4>up for this, he's like, Okay, maybe whatever horrible thing

1161
00:56:57.679 --> 00:56:59.880
<v Speaker 4>they're gonna do might do some good for some poor kid.

1162
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Didn't plan on this. Old white dude suddenly plumped onto

1163
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 4>his shoulder.

1164
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:07.599
<v Speaker 6>This one really shows that whole control thing, because we

1165
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.840
<v Speaker 6>don't get that as much in the incredible two headed Transplant,

1166
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 6>but you definitely do in this one with the whole

1167
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.719
<v Speaker 6>left hand right hand. And then when like he you know,

1168
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:18.960
<v Speaker 6>punches Ray Malan in the face and knock him out,

1169
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:21.239
<v Speaker 6>and then Ray Malan eventually punches him in the face

1170
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.639
<v Speaker 6>and knocks him out. One of the funniest shots for

1171
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 6>me is just Rosie Greer punched himself in the face

1172
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 6>and knocking himself out.

1173
00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.280
<v Speaker 4>For me, it's the shot right after where Rosy Grier

1174
00:57:30.360 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 4>is knocked out and Rosy Greedy actor is like trying

1175
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.840
<v Speaker 4>to pretend that Ray Millan head is in charge and

1176
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 4>walking this way, so that heads upright. I thought that

1177
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 4>was really funny, and I gotta say it because he's

1178
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:42.880
<v Speaker 4>like a childhood idol of mine. Rick Baker as the

1179
00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 4>two headed Gorilla, I love all those scenes. It sounds silly,

1180
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 4>but having seen him in a bunch of movies in

1181
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 4>creature suits, I see his eyes in a suit and

1182
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, yeah, there's Rick Baker. You can tell.

1183
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 6>As soon as that two headed gorilla came on screen,

1184
00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:57.719
<v Speaker 6>I was like, I bet you anything that's Rick Baker.

1185
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:00.719
<v Speaker 6>You know, Like we talked on the Island of Doctor

1186
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:04.679
<v Speaker 6>Morrow episode about like the professional ape people and Rick

1187
00:58:04.719 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 6>Baker for a long time. Had he not made this

1188
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:09.320
<v Speaker 6>massive career in special effects, I think he could have

1189
00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:12.039
<v Speaker 6>had a career just playing apes for the longest time.

1190
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:14.840
<v Speaker 4>I actually have Metamorphosis books you got for me for

1191
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:16.760
<v Speaker 4>Christmas years ago, and there's a great chapter on this

1192
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 4>movie where he's talking about how he signed on basically

1193
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.199
<v Speaker 4>with a one gorill ahead like yeah, I have a suit,

1194
00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:23.599
<v Speaker 4>and then with the game the way he's like, shoot,

1195
00:58:23.639 --> 00:58:25.559
<v Speaker 4>I have to build a suit and a second head.

1196
00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.199
<v Speaker 4>But he did some really intelligent stuff in terms of

1197
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.280
<v Speaker 4>making them interchangeable so he could pop out of one

1198
00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 4>head and actually be in the other one. And Doug Beswick,

1199
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 4>who helped him out and did the arm extensions, actually

1200
00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 4>was either puppeteering their head and in one scene he

1201
00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:42.039
<v Speaker 4>actually snuck behind him and put his face same way

1202
00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:44.880
<v Speaker 4>that Miland and Rosie Grier do it in the other head.

1203
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.000
<v Speaker 4>So you can see that they're actual operators in both

1204
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.320
<v Speaker 4>of them. And it's really good.

1205
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.159
<v Speaker 6>That must have been the scene with the banana, because

1206
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.760
<v Speaker 6>I was noticing during that when they're both eating bananas

1207
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:56.559
<v Speaker 6>at the same time, I was like, that looks like

1208
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.039
<v Speaker 6>two actual people in there.

1209
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 4>In the white shot, you can tell it's the puppet

1210
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.840
<v Speaker 4>because the head's a little flat, but once it's the

1211
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.519
<v Speaker 4>close up. Yeah. He also said they didn't have permits,

1212
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.280
<v Speaker 4>so they would literally take him in a van at

1213
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 4>the end of this residential street, open the van, drive

1214
00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 4>to the end, and have him just run at camera.

1215
00:59:10.639 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 4>And if people saw this two headed gorilla running around

1216
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:14.480
<v Speaker 4>they were in the shot, that was it.

1217
00:59:15.639 --> 00:59:18.559
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's definitely a step up, the two headed gorilla

1218
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 6>versus the two headed monkey.

1219
00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:20.519
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

1220
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 6>Did y'all get a chance to see Manster?

1221
00:59:22.599 --> 00:59:26.199
<v Speaker 4>We did watch manste Oh yeah.

1222
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what'd you think of that one?

1223
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.239
<v Speaker 4>It's funny because at least for me when I was watching,

1224
00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 4>and I kept thinking, you know, if he didn't have

1225
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:33.679
<v Speaker 4>two heads, you'd never know, because there's nothing in the

1226
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 4>script that actually mentions two heads. It almost felt like

1227
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 4>it could have just been sort of a Jackal and

1228
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:40.639
<v Speaker 4>Hyde sort of thing, or almost a Wolfman type story.

1229
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.519
<v Speaker 8>That's what I thought. I thought this was a converted

1230
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 8>Wolfman's story. But I think you'd mentioned, wasn't the title.

1231
00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:50.760
<v Speaker 4>One of the alternate titles that was shot under it

1232
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:52.480
<v Speaker 4>was something about the beast with two heads or something

1233
00:59:52.519 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 4>like that. So, I mean, until he splits, it doesn't

1234
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:57.320
<v Speaker 4>really come into play very much.

1235
00:59:57.159 --> 01:00:01.159
<v Speaker 6>Though not really. No, I mean it is interesting because well,

1236
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 6>I know, you guys didn't have a chance to see

1237
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.519
<v Speaker 6>how to get ahead in advertising, but that has pretty

1238
01:00:05.599 --> 01:00:08.800
<v Speaker 6>much the same idea of a head growing out of

1239
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.440
<v Speaker 6>a person's shoulder. To your point, you don't get that

1240
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:14.000
<v Speaker 6>nearly as much as you probably should in The Manster.

1241
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 6>You know, you'll see that better in like Army of Darkness.

1242
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.480
<v Speaker 6>And I really think that the whole splitting of Ash

1243
01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:24.639
<v Speaker 6>into the evil Ash and the good Ash. I'm positive

1244
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:26.519
<v Speaker 6>that Raymi must have seen this and said, let's do

1245
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:29.320
<v Speaker 6>it like that because of the whole pulling apart aspect,

1246
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:31.880
<v Speaker 6>and like that's really clever too, having them behind a

1247
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.360
<v Speaker 6>tree as they're trying to pull themselves apart into basically

1248
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 6>the id and the super ego. Because really our main

1249
01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 6>character in this movie again like Bruce Dern, not a

1250
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.599
<v Speaker 6>good person, not a good person at all, just kind

1251
01:00:44.599 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 6>of jerked all the time.

1252
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 4>I get the implication that whatever this doctor injected into

1253
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 4>him kind of unleashes his primal side and kind of

1254
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.760
<v Speaker 4>pushes him into jerk him a little bit more. But

1255
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.360
<v Speaker 4>that specific shot of the eye on his shoulder is

1256
01:00:57.440 --> 01:00:59.920
<v Speaker 4>I definitely think Raymy saw that and was in fla.

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01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:02.519
<v Speaker 4>But it's funny because just this weekend we saw The Manitou,

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01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.440
<v Speaker 4>and that movie in terms of another thing coming out

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01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 4>of somebody's shoulder that's this horrible malign influence, is kind

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01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 4>of kind of runs parallel with this one.

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01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 6>During my research, I found that there was also there

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01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:18.480
<v Speaker 6>was an Andy Milligan film that was released in nineteen

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01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 6>seventy two, so right in the same sweet spot with

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01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.400
<v Speaker 6>our two previous movies. I know, Manster comes out well

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01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:27.360
<v Speaker 6>before that, but that one is a Jaqueline Hyde so

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01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:29.760
<v Speaker 6>they it's called The Man with Two heads, but it's

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01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 6>because of a seer matein from the brain of a

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01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.239
<v Speaker 6>mass murderer transforms the good Doctor Jackyl of London into

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01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:38.119
<v Speaker 6>the evil mister Blood.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, man with two heads a film of Unspeakable.

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01:01:57.599 --> 01:01:59.760
<v Speaker 4>You say that you've experimented on animals.

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01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 11>What does that prove?

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01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:03.480
<v Speaker 6>You haven't tried it out of a human.

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01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.400
<v Speaker 11>How do you know that a human won't react different?

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01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:07.000
<v Speaker 9>I don't.

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01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:10.199
<v Speaker 11>That's why I must have a human.

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01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:10.440
<v Speaker 10>To try it on.

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01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.239
<v Speaker 6>Maybe they could get rights for mister check for Doctor Jekyl,

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01:02:15.280 --> 01:02:17.880
<v Speaker 6>but not mister Hyde. I don't know what was going

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01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:18.360
<v Speaker 6>on there.

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01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 4>Every time we saw the creature in this movie, I

1282
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:23.239
<v Speaker 4>could think of, I don't remember this moduleck that masters

1283
01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:25.320
<v Speaker 4>the universe figure that had the multiple heads that kind

1284
01:02:25.360 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 4>of just pop onto the shoulders. Something about the way

1285
01:02:27.920 --> 01:02:29.760
<v Speaker 4>the heads are oriented here, That's all I could think of,

1286
01:02:29.800 --> 01:02:31.039
<v Speaker 4>because I used to have them as a kid and

1287
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:34.199
<v Speaker 4>make all sorts of ghoulish sort of combinations of that guy.

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01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 6>This movie really reminded me of another one that we

1289
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:39.920
<v Speaker 6>did called Horrors of a Malformed Man, and this whole

1290
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:44.119
<v Speaker 6>idea yeah yeah, right, yeah, especially the ex wife or

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01:02:44.159 --> 01:02:47.400
<v Speaker 6>the I guess she's still legally married to the crazy doctor,

1292
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:50.199
<v Speaker 6>but her in the cage and that makeup on her

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01:02:50.280 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 6>face and it's really smart that this is all in

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01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.119
<v Speaker 6>black and white. That really helps with her makeup as

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01:02:56.159 --> 01:03:00.280
<v Speaker 6>well as the creature makeup later on. Yeah, just I

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01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.760
<v Speaker 6>was like, Oh, we're really getting into some some great

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01:03:03.000 --> 01:03:06.639
<v Speaker 6>you know, Eurogorro type of stuff here with the way

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01:03:06.679 --> 01:03:10.320
<v Speaker 6>that these creatures are portrayed. And I like, you know,

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01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:11.960
<v Speaker 6>to your point from earlier as far as like I

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01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 6>didn't know that he was growing a second head. Yeah,

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01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.039
<v Speaker 6>because so much of it is focused on his hand

1302
01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:19.239
<v Speaker 6>and that kind of like creepy, you know, Frederick March

1303
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.360
<v Speaker 6>turning into mister Hyde hand effect that they have.

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01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 4>And some of the performances. I actually kind of liked

1305
01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 4>tedsun Nakamura as our mad scientist in this one. Robert Suzuki,

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01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:32.280
<v Speaker 4>he's just like he's he's almost kind of genial about it,

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01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:34.159
<v Speaker 4>just like, oh, this is going to be interesting and exciting,

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01:03:34.159 --> 01:03:36.440
<v Speaker 4>and it's it doesn't really fit with the mad scientist thing,

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01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 4>but at least it's doing something a little bit more

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01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:41.320
<v Speaker 4>than Bruce Dern did. Yeah.

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01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:43.840
<v Speaker 6>I liked this way more than I thought I would.

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01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:47.079
<v Speaker 6>I was really impressed by this one, and the copy

1313
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:50.239
<v Speaker 6>that I saw looked horrible, but I know there is

1314
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.039
<v Speaker 6>a blu ray out there, and I kept thinking, oh, well,

1315
01:03:53.079 --> 01:03:55.719
<v Speaker 6>I need to find the original Japanese version. There is

1316
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.320
<v Speaker 6>no original Japanese version. This is big shot. It in English,

1317
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:03.239
<v Speaker 6>and it's all American actor well not American actors, but

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01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 6>American folks behind the scenes kind of thing. As far

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01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:09.320
<v Speaker 6>as the directors and writers, which was very surprising to me.

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01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.440
<v Speaker 6>I thought, oh, well, they took this Japanese movie, added

1321
01:04:12.519 --> 01:04:15.039
<v Speaker 6>in a white guy and then just repackage it like

1322
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, Godzilla are some of those other earlier Japanese films.

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01:04:18.400 --> 01:04:20.039
<v Speaker 4>As the movie went on and I started to realize, like,

1324
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 4>especially what's his name, Jerry Youto who played the police superintendent.

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01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.079
<v Speaker 4>I really liked his performance, and realizing.

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01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:25.800
<v Speaker 6>Oh, he was great.

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01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:27.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh he's not dubb No, he's speaking in English, so

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01:04:28.039 --> 01:04:30.559
<v Speaker 4>this was actually shot this way. The one performance I

1329
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.119
<v Speaker 4>thought was really out there was Jane Hilton as Linda,

1330
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 4>the wife. Every time she shows up, she seems vaguely

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01:04:35.719 --> 01:04:38.519
<v Speaker 4>psychotic when she's trying to talk to her husband.

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01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:40.360
<v Speaker 6>And again I don't know if it was a transfer

1333
01:04:40.440 --> 01:04:44.199
<v Speaker 6>or not, but she looked really sweaty. Yeah, a lot. Okay, good,

1334
01:04:44.239 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 6>I'm glad it wasn't just me.

1335
01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:47.920
<v Speaker 4>It didn't look like she was made up very well.

1336
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:48.920
<v Speaker 4>She was not live very well.

1337
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 1>Though.

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01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 4>I do like a lot of the lighting has a

1339
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:53.000
<v Speaker 4>very film noir quality to a lot of this. I

1340
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:54.800
<v Speaker 4>also can help but wonder if the main character being

1341
01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.159
<v Speaker 4>named Larry was a little sell reference to Larry Talbot,

1342
01:04:57.159 --> 01:04:59.079
<v Speaker 4>because there's a lot of wolfman kind of qualities to

1343
01:04:59.159 --> 01:04:59.800
<v Speaker 4>this story too.

1344
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when he's out and it almost looks like he's

1345
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.480
<v Speaker 6>on the moors towards the end there, when he's running

1346
01:05:05.519 --> 01:05:08.599
<v Speaker 6>around away from the you know, the people again hunting

1347
01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:11.320
<v Speaker 6>him kind of thing, and he's just like struggling with

1348
01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.559
<v Speaker 6>himself and all then trying to get the pressure of

1349
01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:18.639
<v Speaker 6>the trying to break free of this other creature. I

1350
01:05:18.719 --> 01:05:21.079
<v Speaker 6>kept trying to think of other movies and TV shows

1351
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 6>where you get that split of like the good and

1352
01:05:23.760 --> 01:05:27.079
<v Speaker 6>the evil size of people, and the only one, Well,

1353
01:05:27.280 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 6>Ricky Mortar came up in my mind because I'm sure

1354
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:32.320
<v Speaker 6>that that's happened. I'm pretty sure with like Jerry turning

1355
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:35.039
<v Speaker 6>into a worm, and I can't remember the wife's name

1356
01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:37.559
<v Speaker 6>turning into like this massive creature and that was like

1357
01:05:37.639 --> 01:05:41.559
<v Speaker 6>her internal therapy and him being the worm was his therapy.

1358
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 6>But I just kept thinking of Star Trek and the

1359
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:47.480
<v Speaker 6>way that the transporter split. I believe it was Kirk

1360
01:05:47.519 --> 01:05:51.920
<v Speaker 6>into good Kirk and and well evil Kirk and less

1361
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:52.599
<v Speaker 6>evil Kirk.

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01:05:53.599 --> 01:05:55.360
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't probably count, but I was thinking that tales

1363
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.000
<v Speaker 4>from the Crypt episode with Don Rickles' ventriloquist that has

1364
01:05:58.000 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 4>the you can Join twin that he found gets off

1365
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:01.039
<v Speaker 4>of his arm.

1366
01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:06.239
<v Speaker 8>There's a Buffy the Vampire Slayer the Zeppo where Xander

1367
01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.960
<v Speaker 8>gets split into two.

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01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.119
<v Speaker 4>Yep, that's a good one too. Yeah, I feel like

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01:06:11.159 --> 01:06:12.800
<v Speaker 4>there's another one, but I can't think of I can

1370
01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.679
<v Speaker 4>think of a lot of possession ones like Poltergeist too,

1371
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:16.960
<v Speaker 4>where he gets the possessed tequila worm out and then

1372
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 4>it grows into his whole disgusting creature, which I think

1373
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:22.639
<v Speaker 4>was a Giger design. It's a great looking monster in

1374
01:06:22.679 --> 01:06:23.400
<v Speaker 4>that scene.

1375
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, sure is, especially that close up of the face

1376
01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:30.280
<v Speaker 6>that's like molded to look like the old priest. Oh.

1377
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:33.559
<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I would recommend that you definitely check out

1378
01:06:34.000 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 6>How to Get Ahead in Advertising. That was nineteen eighty

1379
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 6>nine and Bruce Robinson one with Richard Grant, and that

1380
01:06:41.360 --> 01:06:44.960
<v Speaker 6>was the first movie I ever saw in a foreign country,

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01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:47.800
<v Speaker 6>so it has a lot of meaning for me. I

1382
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.360
<v Speaker 6>was on a I don't know what you would call it.

1383
01:06:50.360 --> 01:06:52.519
<v Speaker 6>I guess student exchange, even though I wasn't really a

1384
01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:56.400
<v Speaker 6>student back when I was in my teens and went

1385
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:59.599
<v Speaker 6>to see that in London, and his first time I

1386
01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:02.800
<v Speaker 6>ever had a signed seating in a theater and first

1387
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Speaker 6>time I ever saw commercial before a movie. Wow, how

1388
01:07:05.559 --> 01:07:11.440
<v Speaker 6>unusual is That's so weird, so strange. Yeah, both the

1389
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:16.440
<v Speaker 6>signed seatings and commercials before film, that's crazy. But it

1390
01:07:16.599 --> 01:07:20.079
<v Speaker 6>is so good and Richard Y Grant is just amazing.

1391
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:24.039
<v Speaker 6>Bruce Robinson's given him some monologues that are just killer,

1392
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:27.519
<v Speaker 6>all the chemicals and all the because he's the worst,

1393
01:07:27.599 --> 01:07:31.599
<v Speaker 6>like this advertising executive is just the absolute worst person

1394
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:34.519
<v Speaker 6>that you can imagine. And so when the boil comes out,

1395
01:07:34.559 --> 01:07:37.079
<v Speaker 6>it's like, all right, what is the boil going to

1396
01:07:37.079 --> 01:07:40.800
<v Speaker 6>be versus this other guy, you know, because he's already

1397
01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:44.119
<v Speaker 6>the worst person in the world. And yeah, Richardy Grant

1398
01:07:44.199 --> 01:07:47.760
<v Speaker 6>speaking to his boil is fantastic stuff.

1399
01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.039
<v Speaker 4>The only other two edded one I was thinking of,

1400
01:07:50.239 --> 01:07:52.480
<v Speaker 4>and it kind of came up every time we'd see

1401
01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:54.280
<v Speaker 4>some of the dodgier effects of the fake heads thing

1402
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.159
<v Speaker 4>is Zapod Beeblebrocks from the original Hitchhiker's Guide, where they

1403
01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.719
<v Speaker 4>come up with a conceit that his other head is

1404
01:07:59.760 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 4>usually asleep, so they don't actually have to puppeteer it

1405
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 4>most of the time in the show. But I've always

1406
01:08:04.440 --> 01:08:06.719
<v Speaker 4>kind of love that that, Well, what's going on, Go

1407
01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:07.639
<v Speaker 4>back to sleep, It's fine.

1408
01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:10.800
<v Speaker 6>It's been so long since I've seen that BBC version,

1409
01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:14.880
<v Speaker 6>as opposed to that just horrific movie version, which I

1410
01:08:15.039 --> 01:08:17.640
<v Speaker 6>still I wish that that had been better.

1411
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.119
<v Speaker 4>Me too, I do love the BBC version though I

1412
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:20.760
<v Speaker 4>grew up on that.

1413
01:08:22.319 --> 01:08:24.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, those are some of those weird effects too, where

1414
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.520
<v Speaker 6>it's like the video in the studio film outside stuff,

1415
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:30.159
<v Speaker 6>and that used to throw me a lot when I

1416
01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.640
<v Speaker 6>was watching the old Tom Baker Doctor Who, I'd be like,

1417
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:35.760
<v Speaker 6>what before I knew what film stocks were or what

1418
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.800
<v Speaker 6>video was, I'd just be like, something so off here.

1419
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.000
<v Speaker 4>Or for me learning years later that the dish of

1420
01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.520
<v Speaker 4>the day is actually Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor who.

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01:08:45.720 --> 01:08:47.039
<v Speaker 6>I don't know that at all.

1422
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:50.680
<v Speaker 8>It meet the meter talking about yeah.

1423
01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I recommend you eat my liver. It should be

1424
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:55.800
<v Speaker 4>very tender by now. Yeah, under that horrific makeup is

1425
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:56.560
<v Speaker 4>Peter Davison.

1426
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:00.279
<v Speaker 8>We had the Sims is it?

1427
01:09:01.439 --> 01:09:04.239
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, that's true. That actually did two tree House

1428
01:09:04.279 --> 01:09:06.119
<v Speaker 4>of Heart. Well, like one little reference at the end

1429
01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:08.119
<v Speaker 4>where Burns's head is stuck on Homer's body. I remember,

1430
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.079
<v Speaker 4>and I was I believe one with Bart and Lisa

1431
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.680
<v Speaker 4>ending up kind of with their heads together, but I

1432
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:16.800
<v Speaker 4>can't remember. It's been so long since I've seen that one.

1433
01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.840
<v Speaker 6>Those are good to go back and rewatch because I'm

1434
01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:22.039
<v Speaker 6>trying to remember which one I just saw recently. I

1435
01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:23.680
<v Speaker 6>had to go back and check it out because I

1436
01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.399
<v Speaker 6>was like, oh, we were talking about the butterfly effect

1437
01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.800
<v Speaker 6>and I was pulling the Grandpa Simpson line about if

1438
01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.920
<v Speaker 6>you ever time travel, never kill anything, especially at bug.

1439
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:36.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, it was a Treehouse of Horror twenty four

1440
01:09:36.840 --> 01:09:38.920
<v Speaker 4>is the one that did the Bart Lisa conjoined one.

1441
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.520
<v Speaker 6>I can really see. I mean the Homer mister Burns

1442
01:09:42.600 --> 01:09:47.399
<v Speaker 6>is almost rosy Greer, and Raymond it's perfect, or maybe

1443
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 6>even the Danny and cast.

1444
01:09:50.560 --> 01:09:52.600
<v Speaker 4>I'm almost surprised we haven't got a resurgence and somebody

1445
01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:56.359
<v Speaker 4>hasn't tried to do a goofy two headed transplant movie.

1446
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.600
<v Speaker 4>Again just as an homage, it feels like it feels

1447
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:00.680
<v Speaker 4>like we're doue oh yeah.

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01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 6>Well, now with the effects that they are, I mean,

1449
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:06.359
<v Speaker 6>that's got to be super easy. Well, probably not super easy,

1450
01:10:06.399 --> 01:10:09.720
<v Speaker 6>but the idea of having a thing on your shoulder

1451
01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.600
<v Speaker 6>to give you that like the shadows and everything correctly,

1452
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.239
<v Speaker 6>and then being able to just map somebody's face onto that,

1453
01:10:15.479 --> 01:10:17.560
<v Speaker 6>you know, that, it seems like it'd be pretty simple.

1454
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:18.359
<v Speaker 6>These days, we're.

1455
01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:20.079
<v Speaker 4>Having an actor in like a green screen suit that

1456
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:21.600
<v Speaker 4>you can just wipe out the rest of the body

1457
01:10:21.600 --> 01:10:25.079
<v Speaker 4>and just have the head there, yeah.

1458
01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:25.880
<v Speaker 6>And just like have them shake around a lot while

1459
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:26.439
<v Speaker 6>he's running.

1460
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.720
<v Speaker 4>We were thinking during thing the two heads, that you know,

1461
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.359
<v Speaker 4>you could do this as sort of a buddy cop

1462
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:32.439
<v Speaker 4>movie or it's like a buddy at adventure movie where

1463
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the two of them have to overcome their differences.

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<v Speaker 6>Two heads are better than one.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, you could call it head to head.

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<v Speaker 6>It could have been Michael J. Fox and James Woods

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<v Speaker 6>all those years ago. Oh the hard way, the hard way, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>make it even harder, but.

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<v Speaker 8>That's the two headed snakes.

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<v Speaker 4>See. That could have been like Beverly Hill's cup four.

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01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:56.920
<v Speaker 4>If they thought of it early, just have all three

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<v Speaker 4>of them together, Taggart and Billy and Axle Foley.

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01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:05.279
<v Speaker 6>Body, because that really would be the sequel, like if

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01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:08.800
<v Speaker 6>they did the incredible three headed transplant. You know, Danny

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01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:11.399
<v Speaker 6>comes out of the wreckage brewster and is still around.

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01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 4>The other thing I kept thinking of was the office

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01:11:13.880 --> 01:11:16.520
<v Speaker 4>where it was Michael Scott's Halloween costume with the fake

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01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:18.840
<v Speaker 4>head there. It kind of made me want to do that.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, there you go, your next idea. All right, we're

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01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:25.119
<v Speaker 6>going to take another break and play a preview for

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01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:28.039
<v Speaker 6>next week's show. Right after these brief messages.

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<v Speaker 7>It looked calmless enough, just a professional models album of poses. Yep,

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01:11:39.640 --> 01:11:44.119
<v Speaker 7>this was the glamorous pitfall where they look the most seductive.

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01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:49.520
<v Speaker 7>Courses of email, violent jealousy.

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01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:50.760
<v Speaker 6>Johnny, I like that good.

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01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:53.399
<v Speaker 9>I don't care what you like or what you don't like.

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01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:58.199
<v Speaker 7>Torments of unfaithfulness.

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01:11:59.159 --> 01:12:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I met a couple of months ago while I was

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01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.640
<v Speaker 2>on a case what about the kill?

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01:12:04.760 --> 01:12:07.319
<v Speaker 9>Somebody told him a lot of things about her and me?

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01:12:09.119 --> 01:12:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Are they true? Yes? Then I must hate.

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01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:23.199
<v Speaker 7>The raging theory of a guilty conscience.

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01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:32.039
<v Speaker 9>You've got to call the police.

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01:12:33.039 --> 01:12:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I just killed a Man.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right. We will be back next week with the

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<v Speaker 6>first film of Noir November Pitfall. Until then, I want

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01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:17.840
<v Speaker 6>to thank my co host Tim and Agatha. So what

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01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:19.000
<v Speaker 6>is the latest with you two.

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01:13:19.600 --> 01:13:21.720
<v Speaker 4>I'll admit things have been a little slow recently. We've

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01:13:21.720 --> 01:13:23.680
<v Speaker 4>had a lot of kind of family issues to get through.

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01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:26.000
<v Speaker 4>But we're starting to gear back up into recording again.

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01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.479
<v Speaker 4>We have a few episodes we've recorded and they're working

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01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:31.000
<v Speaker 4>on editing and hopefully going to get into a more

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01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:32.119
<v Speaker 4>regular rhythm pretty soon.

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01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:36.880
<v Speaker 8>It's going to be a full podcast season for us

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01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:39.880
<v Speaker 8>next year. We're going to get back into our form,

1507
01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:44.000
<v Speaker 8>probably doing twenty episodes, so we're going to be backing

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01:13:44.000 --> 01:13:44.359
<v Speaker 8>out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I am looking forward to though. For every November we

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<v Speaker 4>do a Bond movie and we're going to be doing

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01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:50.119
<v Speaker 4>The Spy Who Loved Me And last time we actually

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01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:52.520
<v Speaker 4>found a James Bond movie that she liked. Yeah, so

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01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:55.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking The Man with the Golden Gun turned out

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01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:56.600
<v Speaker 4>to be the winner, So I'm thinking she's going to

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01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:58.439
<v Speaker 4>like the next one too, because it's goofing a lot

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01:13:58.439 --> 01:13:58.720
<v Speaker 4>of fun.

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01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:02.760
<v Speaker 6>So it is very goofy. Yes, and Scarmango is pretty

1518
01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.359
<v Speaker 6>great though. The return of Clifton. James really left a

1519
01:14:05.359 --> 01:14:08.039
<v Speaker 6>lot for me to be desired, especially as racism.

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01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Don't get me started.

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01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:11.279
<v Speaker 6>And by the time this episode comes out, it will

1522
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.760
<v Speaker 6>be right around Halloween, and I know you guys really

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01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 6>like to celebrate, especially there in Salem.

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01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:19.279
<v Speaker 8>Yes, it's our anniversary as well, so we pretend the

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01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:24.000
<v Speaker 8>city celebrates for us every year. And everybody already seems

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01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:28.439
<v Speaker 8>to be in Salem, so the tourist crowds are heavy.

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01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:31.319
<v Speaker 4>Yep, We're going to go do our zombie walk pretty soon,

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01:14:31.359 --> 01:14:35.439
<v Speaker 4>where we're going to be zombified interesting zombifide costumes. This year,

1529
01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:38.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to be a zombifide Blockbuster employee because Blockbuster

1530
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:40.439
<v Speaker 4>may be dead, but it still lives on.

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01:14:41.560 --> 01:14:43.840
<v Speaker 6>Get the Blue and the Khaki out and that great

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01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 6>name tag.

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01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.399
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I haven't warn them in like twenty five years.

1534
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 4>It feels really weird.

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01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:52.479
<v Speaker 8>Going to be a zombie tourist because that's how I

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01:14:52.640 --> 01:14:54.840
<v Speaker 8>exercise my anger.

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01:14:56.159 --> 01:14:58.319
<v Speaker 4>And it's also the scariest thing you can encounter in Salem.

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01:14:58.359 --> 01:15:01.399
<v Speaker 8>This tour is true going to go that one step further.

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01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.720
<v Speaker 4>One other thing I got to mention that's kind of amazing.

1540
01:15:05.279 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 4>Are one of our favorite theaters. Coolidge Corner in Boston

1541
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.920
<v Speaker 4>is actually doing a whole sort of William Castle Gimmick

1542
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:14.359
<v Speaker 4>retrospective and they're doing the gimmicks. They're doing House on

1543
01:15:14.439 --> 01:15:16.319
<v Speaker 4>Hunted Hill with a Mergo, which we're gonna go see.

1544
01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:18.600
<v Speaker 4>They're doing the Tingler in Percepto, which I have to

1545
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:21.039
<v Speaker 4>get tickets for because I've always wanted to see exactly

1546
01:15:21.079 --> 01:15:21.800
<v Speaker 4>how that plays out.

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01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:25.439
<v Speaker 8>We got to mention the marathon subject. They do a

1548
01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:29.680
<v Speaker 8>horror movie marathon and it's twelve hours horror films. This

1549
01:15:29.840 --> 01:15:33.399
<v Speaker 8>year it's Mad Scientists, so we so we might end

1550
01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:34.800
<v Speaker 8>up seeing one of these movies.

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01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:43.119
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, there's a oh yes, yeah.

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01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 6>Or sedate ness instead of madness. When it comes to

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01:15:46.359 --> 01:15:47.159
<v Speaker 6>Bruce Dirt.

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01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.279
<v Speaker 4>Think I'll stick this head on this body? Yeah maybe

1555
01:15:49.279 --> 01:15:51.039
<v Speaker 4>if it's maybe, if you put it another extra head

1556
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:52.520
<v Speaker 4>on his wife, he would have been more interested in her.

1557
01:15:52.560 --> 01:15:56.359
<v Speaker 8>Then you could put Max's head on her body. Oh,

1558
01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.199
<v Speaker 8>could have had it all.

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01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.239
<v Speaker 9>There.

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<v Speaker 1>You go.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you so much folks for being on the show.

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01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:06.199
<v Speaker 6>Thanks to everybody for listening. If you want to hear

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01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:07.720
<v Speaker 6>more of me shooting off my mouth, check out some

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01:16:07.720 --> 01:16:09.119
<v Speaker 6>of the other shows that I work on. They're all

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01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 6>available at weirdingwaymedia dot com. Thanks especially to our Patreon community.

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01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:15.279
<v Speaker 6>If you want to join the community, visit patreon dot

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01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.920
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<v Speaker 6>projection booth.

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<v Speaker 9>Dike over the world.

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<v Speaker 11>Kill Cat and Tess didn't do sprint and sweating with sweat,

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01:17:06.159 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 11>spread dr read, send, print and print title last time

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01:17:14.359 --> 01:17:20.479
<v Speaker 11>ship play get in town. She's going to see your

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01:17:20.600 --> 01:17:23.000
<v Speaker 11>friends that they's been drowned.

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01:17:24.199 --> 01:17:26.000
<v Speaker 5>She bathin doing.

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01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.199
<v Speaker 3>It's one of your girl trads.

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01:17:29.399 --> 01:17:31.079
<v Speaker 11>She expects its basket off.

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01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:33.359
<v Speaker 1>But things got to day.

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01:17:38.560 --> 01:17:39.399
<v Speaker 11>Dry land.

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01:17:44.119 --> 01:17:47.079
<v Speaker 4>Land with the kids for culs.

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<v Speaker 11>And oh, I'm would kid about him when we did.

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01:17:50.399 --> 01:17:53.840
<v Speaker 3>It's like it because it's spending it. Oh what spending

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01:17:53.920 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 3>you have? M Okay, I'm just spreading wal survive well

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01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:03.039
<v Speaker 3>station star.

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<v Speaker 11>Shamp right, let's spa fie. I don't think it's got

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01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 11>one champion money like you. So let's get tried. Sep

1586
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:45.840
<v Speaker 11>me got kind. Let us wait it out over the growl.

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01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:52.800
<v Speaker 11>She'll show yourself at all. Still keep the spraying alive.

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01:19:54.359 --> 01:19:56.119
<v Speaker 6>Show the brain word and.

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01:19:57.680 --> 01:19:59.159
<v Speaker 11>We got in the story.

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01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:03.600
<v Speaker 6>It really am I constructed.

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<v Speaker 2>It spread.

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<v Speaker 3>Boy head, what cheers for the girls and other one wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 11>The boy a head This like a you got the

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<v Speaker 11>step with other one with the spell. I'll count this

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<v Speaker 11>present girl survive. Wow, This mute sorta train tay in table. Definitely,

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<v Speaker 11>definitely say.

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<v Speaker 5>You take the entaclinable sat in the middle of.

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<v Speaker 11>The train, the body tight on. They tak them when

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<v Speaker 11>they take them, take them, say lay trash class
