Speaker 1: Oh g is, folks, it's showtime.
Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater, they are cold
Speaker 3: sodas popcorn in the Monsters in the protection booth.
Speaker 4: Everyone pretend podcasting isn't boring.
Speaker 1: Let it off.
Speaker 2: A massive monster menaces the world, threatening the most intimate
Speaker 2: terror a woman ever felt because of an experimenter with life.
Speaker 2: The incredible two headed transplants.
Speaker 5: Who are you?
Speaker 6: I'm your brother?
Speaker 7: You and I are now one dummy?
Speaker 1: Get the concert?
Speaker 7: What a young couple were killed up there in the
Speaker 7: loop last night.
Speaker 1: A couple of kids plain they uh saw a giant
Speaker 1: with two heads to.
Speaker 4: Dogs pick.
Speaker 2: No woman is safe from his deadly embrace. No man
Speaker 2: is safe from his killer lust.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the Projection Booth. I'm your host, Mike White.
Speaker 6: Joining me once again is Ms.
Speaker 8: Agatha luz Hi, Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 6: Also back in the booth is mister tim Las.
Speaker 4: Oh pardon me, I'm just enjoying some jecky and high
Speaker 4: joy juice.
Speaker 6: We wrap up October twenty twenty four, as well as
Speaker 6: one of our three Patreon donor months, with one from
Speaker 6: James Brummel, The Incredible two Headed Transplant. That's not the
Speaker 6: one with Rosie Greer, nor is it the one from Japan.
Speaker 6: It's the two Headed movie with Bruce Dern as a
Speaker 6: mad scientist who combines the body and brain of a
Speaker 6: man child who only knows what he reads in the
Speaker 6: New York Post with the head of a psychotic killer.
Speaker 6: It's Master Blaster all in one body. We will be
Speaker 6: spoiling this film as we go ahead, so if you
Speaker 6: don't want anything ruined for you, please turn off the
Speaker 6: podcast and come back after you've seen the incredible two
Speaker 6: Headed Transplant. You will not be sorry. So, Tim, when
Speaker 6: was the first time you saw this film and what
Speaker 6: did you think?
Speaker 9: Sir?
Speaker 4: I'll admit actually watching it for this was the first time.
Speaker 4: It's one of those ones, and I will confess when
Speaker 4: we were going to do this, I got confused and
Speaker 4: thought it was the thing with two heads that we
Speaker 4: were doing. So I was like, oh, oh, it's the
Speaker 4: other one with Bruce Dern. So I had been curious
Speaker 4: to see it. I've seen a lot of clips from
Speaker 4: like it came from Hollywood, and read about it in
Speaker 4: the Golden Turkey Awards, so I was curious and it's
Speaker 4: an interesting one. There are some cinematic techniques I think
Speaker 4: are really cool in it, but I'll admit I it
Speaker 4: didn't really grab me. I think it's kind of slow.
Speaker 4: I think Brewstern seems to be on some kind of
Speaker 4: depressive tranquilizing for most of it. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: times they're like, oh, they're going to go in an interesting
Speaker 4: direction with this, and like, oh, no, no, not really,
Speaker 4: it's just sort of doing this. But there are some
Speaker 4: things I really enjoyed it and found kind of fascinating
Speaker 4: that we'll get into.
Speaker 6: And how about yourself.
Speaker 8: I'm certain I saw this on MST three K at
Speaker 8: some point in my decade long history of watching it,
Speaker 8: but this was the first time I think I'd paid
Speaker 8: full attention to the movie as a whole, you know,
Speaker 8: the whole way through. And I was very interested in
Speaker 8: some of the editing techniques out of really out of
Speaker 8: left field for a movie like this, But beyond that,
Speaker 8: it was just it was a little dry for me.
Speaker 8: I wanted more humor or more action. It was just
Speaker 8: I felt empty when it was over.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the editing techniques really grab you right from the
Speaker 6: get go and don't let go. They really reminded me
Speaker 6: a lot of easy Rider with that kind of flashing
Speaker 6: forward between what you're watching now, and then it's very
Speaker 6: odd later on when they have flashed backs to a
Speaker 6: childhood trauma and I'm just like, wait, are we going forward? No, No,
Speaker 6: we're going back in time. This was the first time
Speaker 6: watched for me as well. I have to say that
Speaker 6: Patroon donor James Bremble is very into this movie and
Speaker 6: wrote up a whole lot of stuff for me to
Speaker 6: talk about. So thank you James for doing that, because
Speaker 6: I would have gone a little bit more surfacing on
Speaker 6: something like this and just had a good time making
Speaker 6: fun of it. But instead, we're going to try to
Speaker 6: dive a little bit deeper and get into some of
Speaker 6: the nitty gritty with this stuff, because it is an
Speaker 6: interesting entry in the two headed person genre, or even
Speaker 6: just the brain transplant genre. I mean, of course, you
Speaker 6: know the brain that who Wouldn't Die has some similarities
Speaker 6: to that, especially with the lab assistant Max in this
Speaker 6: one who really wants to have a new body. But
Speaker 6: it's interesting that he wants to have a new body
Speaker 6: rather than Bruce Dern. Bruce Dern just seems as this
Speaker 6: mad scientist just seems very content to make two headed creatures.
Speaker 6: He just loves making two headed creatures in his lab,
Speaker 6: which is part of his suburban home, which is a
Speaker 6: very odd choice.
Speaker 4: He also seems to be pretty easily influenced, like Maxil
Speaker 4: constantly be like, we have to keep him alive. You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right. And when it comes to the big you know,
Speaker 4: the operation itself, maxis the one is like, we've got
Speaker 4: two perfect specimens. We should do it, we should do
Speaker 4: this horrible evil thing. And He's just like, yeah, right,
Speaker 4: prem for surgery. Fun.
Speaker 8: But there is something I kind of love about having
Speaker 8: a mad scientist lab in the basement of a suburban
Speaker 8: dwelling because where would you not expect it to be?
Speaker 8: Right there in the middle of kind of I'm assuming
Speaker 8: they're more well to do given that they have servants,
Speaker 8: so right there was I'm not imagining a servant, right.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean you have Danny and his father being
Speaker 4: kind of the caretaker and Dartness, so right there.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So it's it's kind of like danger could be anywhere,
Speaker 8: it's even in the suburbs.
Speaker 4: It also brought to mind for me like the Delambre
Speaker 4: family from The Fly that you know, you have this
Speaker 4: beautiful Bucolic nice house and the wife and kid, and
Speaker 4: then dad can go downstairs, close this big metal door
Speaker 4: locket and do all sorts of unseemly bizarre stuff that
Speaker 4: ends up with heads where they don't belong.
Speaker 6: This also fit in for me with the whole mind
Speaker 6: transfer thing. There's a great movie called Change of Mind.
Speaker 6: Well it's not great. There's a movie called Change of
Speaker 6: Mind where it is a and this we'll talk a
Speaker 6: little bit more about this when we talk about the
Speaker 6: thing with two heads. It's a African American gentleman who
Speaker 6: gets the brain of a white person transferred into his
Speaker 6: brain into his head, so then he gets to experience
Speaker 6: all of the racism, much more heartfelt and touching than
Speaker 6: the whole Rosy Gar Raymond Land thing that we have
Speaker 6: going on later on. But yeah, this was when I
Speaker 6: was really not that familiar with I don't remember it
Speaker 6: being part of it came from Hollywood. I believe you
Speaker 6: that it was. I definitely remembered some of those shots,
Speaker 6: like Manster when you see the eye on the shoulder,
Speaker 6: which reminds me a lot of the Stephen King story
Speaker 6: where the eyes start showing up on parts of the
Speaker 6: body that they should be. And then the of course
Speaker 6: a lot of clips from the thing with two heads,
Speaker 6: especially that do you have two of anything else?
Speaker 4: Lyne?
Speaker 6: You know, that's one of the best ones that are
Speaker 6: in there. But yeah, this one really had gone under
Speaker 6: the radar for me, except I definitely had seen that
Speaker 6: image of John Bloom as Danny the Manchild character with
Speaker 6: is it Albert Cole? Is it casts that's on his shoulder?
Speaker 6: Albert Cole, who just, man, oh man, he loves being evil.
Speaker 6: He has the best time being evil. And there's so
Speaker 6: many times where you cut to him and he's just
Speaker 6: like moving his eyes back and forth and gnashing his teeth.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's not like a poor Taylor Vince kind
Speaker 6: of eyemotion, but he's just like moving his eyes and
Speaker 6: looking around and just like, what can I get into next?
Speaker 6: Because this guy just loves doing evil.
Speaker 8: And he's so randomly evil too. He's just like, I'm
Speaker 8: just going to run over here and grab a woman
Speaker 8: because I can, and now I'm going to run in
Speaker 8: the opposite direction back to my car and drive off.
Speaker 8: And it's just like this this wacky, gleeful murder spree.
Speaker 8: He just isn't going to pull back from it, and
Speaker 8: the actor just goes with it. I was impressed by
Speaker 8: that level of acting. Honestly, he just dug into it.
Speaker 4: Whenever we get a close with him, all I can
Speaker 4: think was like, well, Dwight Fry would look at this
Speaker 4: and go, hm, maybe you should pull back a little bit. Yes, right.
Speaker 6: He kind of reminded me of John Aston a little bit,
Speaker 6: and you know, just I don't know the shape of
Speaker 6: his face or something, and he's got that little mustache.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not Gomez or anything, but he's getting close.
Speaker 6: And yeah, we start off with him having murdered a
Speaker 6: woman's husband and has her hostage, and there's we get
Speaker 6: to see the phone is off the wall and you
Speaker 6: hear the voice on the other end, and you're just like, wow,
Speaker 6: something bad is going on right now. And then you
Speaker 6: start those flashes, you know, and we've talked about those
Speaker 6: flash cuts and everything, and we get to see the
Speaker 6: cops show up, and I just love how he's surrounded
Speaker 6: by these cops and he's not going to give up
Speaker 6: his weapon or anything. Well, I think he does eventually
Speaker 6: drop that huge butcher knife or like cleaver.
Speaker 8: He was holding upside down.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, he didn't want to accidentally murder that on
Speaker 6: then and then he takes a frickin' header out of
Speaker 6: a window to avoid being captured. But luckily there's two
Speaker 6: cops right outside.
Speaker 4: I got to say the coppers, these are like the
Speaker 4: calmest cops I've ever seen chasing down a serial killer.
Speaker 4: The two guys like keV Steady, why don't you put
Speaker 4: that down? And when he jumps out, there's that one
Speaker 4: walking up with a smile, just like, Hi, I got you, okay.
Speaker 4: I actually love Cole's reaction in the very quick courtroom
Speaker 4: scene we have that he's kind of like, got this smirk,
Speaker 4: and then as soon as the judge says that he's
Speaker 4: insane and going to a mental hospital, he freaks out
Speaker 4: like he's insulted by this idea that he is he
Speaker 4: is not competent.
Speaker 6: I love it. He will stay there until his sanity
Speaker 6: has been restored. We get to quickly meet the manchild
Speaker 6: who I mentioned before and kept confusing me because his
Speaker 6: name is John Blum. I kept thinking of Joe Bob Briggs,
Speaker 6: but no, very different person Danny and his I guess
Speaker 6: it's his caretaker, or is it his dad. This cast guy,
Speaker 6: I think it's his dad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be his dad,
Speaker 4: because that's what the sheriff says at one point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, which really starts to set up this whole father
Speaker 6: relationship that we have and that we'll talk about as
Speaker 6: we go along. But yeah, it's interesting too that is
Speaker 6: played by Albert Cole, and I found a nice article
Speaker 6: about him where he was actually a horror host, so
Speaker 6: it's kind of interesting seeing him show up in this.
Speaker 6: And then it's actually his son who plays the young
Speaker 6: version of Danny when we see that flash back as
Speaker 6: opposed to a flash forward or flash cut that we get.
Speaker 6: So that was kind of a nice thing too, that
Speaker 6: he's not only playing the father of Danny, but then
Speaker 6: his real life physical son is playing that younger version
Speaker 6: of Danny.
Speaker 4: Oh see, I thought it was the guy who plays
Speaker 4: Danny's father who was the horror host.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I'm saying, Albert Cole, Right, No, no,
Speaker 6: Larry Vincent. Oh oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry Larry Vincent
Speaker 6: as Andrew. My bad. I'm sorry I was mixing up
Speaker 6: the killer and the guy. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: I have to have like a list of the names
Speaker 4: most of the time to be able to keep him straight.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it is, but it is coal it is,
Speaker 6: so I guess it's the killer's son. Yeah, because this
Speaker 6: Leslie Cole is young Danny. So the killer's son.
Speaker 1: What? Oh?
Speaker 6: Interesting, Okay, I didn't not catch that. All of these
Speaker 6: very exotic names like Ken and Danny and Linda, it's
Speaker 6: stuff for me to keep them straight.
Speaker 4: In terms of Leslie playing the young Danny, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure if it was just a case of he was
Speaker 4: just on set and they're like, hey, he looks enough
Speaker 4: like Bloom, let's get him in here and play the part,
Speaker 4: or if that was some kind of weird, kind of
Speaker 4: subconscious idea they had about this future association he's gonna
Speaker 4: have with this killer.
Speaker 6: I imagine he was just on set, Yes, but he.
Speaker 4: Looks enough like Boom, and I gotta say, looking at
Speaker 4: Bloom whenever he's walking around, my god, that guy is
Speaker 4: just huge. I started to wonder if they were patting
Speaker 4: up his shoulders, because his shoulders had this weird roundness
Speaker 4: to them. But he's tall enough that I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's just how he was built.
Speaker 8: But I would imagine I have no evidence for this,
Speaker 8: but I would imagine they built up the shoulders a
Speaker 8: little bit so that it wouldn't be so obvious that
Speaker 8: the other actor was on his shoulder.
Speaker 4: And I hadn't realized I had seen him before in
Speaker 4: a few things. We saw Dracula versus Frankenstein, and that
Speaker 4: he was in Star Trek six. He's the first alien,
Speaker 4: the kind of accost Kirk and McCoy when they're on
Speaker 4: the penal colony, well, it's like their obedience to the brotherhood,
Speaker 4: and then Emmon shows up and helps them, and he's
Speaker 4: the creepy chef from The Great Outdoors when John Canny's
Speaker 4: doing the old ninety sixer. Oh god, the big smile thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like the only part of that movie I
Speaker 6: remember is him trying this stuff down that steak and
Speaker 6: then he's got all the gristle and stuff. It's like, no,
Speaker 6: you gotta finish it all. Oh god.
Speaker 4: I also saw him credited for Harry and the Henderson's
Speaker 4: as Feet, and I'm like, was he like Kevin Peter
Speaker 4: Hol's foot double or something right? Or is there a
Speaker 4: character named Feet that I can remember? I could not
Speaker 4: find out, but I was really curious because I love
Speaker 4: that movie.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is huge, and I think he actually gets
Speaker 6: a really good performance here, especially when it comes to
Speaker 6: after he gets the surgery and he's got Kass on
Speaker 6: his shoulder, and you can see the hesitancy when he's
Speaker 6: going after the pat Priest's character at one point and
Speaker 6: you see this look on his face like no, no, no,
Speaker 6: I don't want to do even though he's reaching out
Speaker 6: his arms and going for and I just love that
Speaker 6: whole like he's not strong enough mentally to fend off
Speaker 6: Cass and his power over him.
Speaker 4: The first time he sees her after the operation, when
Speaker 4: she is in the lab and he has this smile like,
Speaker 4: oh it's a friendly face. Oh help me, and then
Speaker 4: you see that Cass is just like, yes, I'm going
Speaker 4: to have this woman. Seeing those two contrasting smiles is
Speaker 4: really creepy. That was actually a really great moment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are some really good things in here. I
Speaker 6: love Casey Casem when he shows up. Always love seeing
Speaker 6: Casey Casem. I love that they were smart enough to
Speaker 6: use him as a radio voice for all of the
Speaker 6: police updates, which was good. Kind of throws on a
Speaker 6: little bit different of a voice. It's not the top
Speaker 6: forty Casey Casem. It's the much more serious version, the
Speaker 6: one who gets the goddamn death dedications. That's the one
Speaker 6: that has come into play when it comes to the
Speaker 6: updates from the cops.
Speaker 4: That's the thing I was waiting for, you know, take
Speaker 4: me out of an upbeat temple for a dedication to
Speaker 4: a dead monkey. I cannot think of Casey Kasem, not
Speaker 4: think of that audio clip. I did notice that when
Speaker 4: he gets dramatic in this, he whispers.
Speaker 6: Yes, We've got to destroy it Roger.
Speaker 4: It's like when he first shows up again after you know,
Speaker 4: a month, and it's like he's on vacation. I'm like,
Speaker 4: did Casey have larynge? I just want he filmed this
Speaker 4: scene because his voice is very gravelly for just one scene.
Speaker 4: I do wonder, though I don't know what is what.
Speaker 4: The Ken character does not seem to like Danny. Like
Speaker 4: there's that scene when Danny and Andrew are pulling the
Speaker 4: stump out and he's watching with this kind of skeptical hmm.
Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about this, and then
Speaker 4: they cut back to Danny looking at him like and
Speaker 4: that makes sense because you know Danny has a crush
Speaker 4: on Linda, and he probably instinctively knows this guy kind
Speaker 4: of has a thing for Linda too. But I don't
Speaker 4: know what it is about Ken looking at him looking like,
Speaker 4: h I don't like this for whatever reason, and.
Speaker 6: Would be a much better partner to Linda than Roger is, because,
Speaker 6: like I said, Bruce den is just obsessed with creating
Speaker 6: two headed creatures. And that's really the crux of this
Speaker 6: movie is this whole domestic relationship between Roger and Linda,
Speaker 6: between Bruce Stern and Pat Priest, and that he is
Speaker 6: ignoring her, and he is putting all of his work
Speaker 6: before the relationship with her. And we've got this whole
Speaker 6: thing of her waiting for him for dinner and you know,
Speaker 6: the labs break downstairs or whatever. But like she's waiting
Speaker 6: for him, she's not allowed to bother him, I guess,
Speaker 6: and she's just gets stood up for dinner in the
Speaker 6: same house and I'm like, come on. But yeah, meanwhile,
Speaker 6: Ken Casey casem he's you know, oh well, you know,
Speaker 6: you got to help him out and all these like
Speaker 6: really trying to play cad and get those relationships fixed,
Speaker 6: even though yeah, you can definitely tell you that he's
Speaker 6: got a crush on Linda, and who wouldn't because Pat Priest,
Speaker 6: I mean, she is not shy about showing herself in
Speaker 6: this movie. There's so many times where it's just like
Speaker 6: bikini briefs, you know, like coming out of the bath,
Speaker 6: all these things of like, wow, okay, they really were
Speaker 6: playing up. She's away from the confines of being Marilyn
Speaker 6: on the Monsters and now she can do whatever the
Speaker 6: hell she wants in these movies.
Speaker 4: I also feel like they were serving him very particular
Speaker 4: fan base where it's like, Okay, let's tie he up,
Speaker 4: let's throw in a cage, let's talk. Oh god, yes,
Speaker 4: there's you can really feel the exploitation roots of that
Speaker 4: movie in any scene with her being tied up or
Speaker 4: or locked away somewhere or gagged. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 6: It felt like an Irving Claw film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ken Is definitely has a thing for Linda and
Speaker 4: would be a better partner. But you see even Danny
Speaker 4: he's kind of is better and that he's attentive, like
Speaker 4: when she's guarding, he comes over, he wants to help
Speaker 4: out the when everything goes wrong, he's coming back with
Speaker 4: a big thing of flowers to give to her. I
Speaker 4: mean he's thoughtful in the way that Roger is absolutely not.
Speaker 6: One hundred percent. Yeah, he's really kind of a.
Speaker 4: Shit, Yes he really is.
Speaker 6: And yeah, we should talk about Max, Who's It's very
Speaker 6: interesting Barry Kroger is Max. He shown so many times
Speaker 6: before he gets a name, and I'm just like, who
Speaker 6: the hell is this guy? And the way that they
Speaker 6: do these flash cuts, they were like cutting to him.
Speaker 6: I'm like, who is this guy? Where's he at? Even
Speaker 6: and then finally I'm like, oh, he's in the lab.
Speaker 6: And then you see him with these gloves on. He
Speaker 6: starts to talk about his hands and I really wants
Speaker 6: these new hands, and it's just like we've seen and
Speaker 6: a lot of these types of movies, this whole like, well,
Speaker 6: my old body, my current body is starting to you know,
Speaker 6: wear down or I've got issues, and I really need
Speaker 6: a new body to do this. And I don't know
Speaker 6: how good Danny would be at like surgery stuff with
Speaker 6: those big fucking paws he's got, but you know, it
Speaker 6: would definitely give give Max a few more years, let's say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he also reminded me he's like the sinister version
Speaker 4: of the really cute hunchbacked assistant from House of Dracula,
Speaker 4: who's like helping out, just waiting for the research to
Speaker 4: get there so she can be cured. Except she's really
Speaker 4: sweet and nice, and this guy is just sinister and
Speaker 4: evil as hell, right down to the gloves. I kept
Speaker 4: thinking of like rot Winging from Metropolis or Doctor Strangelove
Speaker 4: for a while there. When it comes to Mad Science,
Speaker 4: if you have a glove on, you're not a good person.
Speaker 4: You're somebody to be careful love. And I almost felt
Speaker 4: like I wish we had gotten a movie where it
Speaker 4: was his head on Danny, because he is kind of
Speaker 4: the villain of the movie for me, he's the real
Speaker 4: motivator for he like, you know, he got perfectly good
Speaker 4: dying homicidal maniac. We've got, you know, a developmentally disabled
Speaker 4: guy who nobody's gonna miss. You know, we could do this.
Speaker 4: And he's constantly like, no, we shouldn't kill him, we
Speaker 4: should keephim alive. Yeah, maybe that'd be a good idea.
Speaker 4: And Roger just seems to be on board, which made
Speaker 4: me wonder was Max, like maybe his mentor at some point,
Speaker 4: not just an assistant, but like this really you know,
Speaker 4: important colleague. Maybe he could have done this stuff if
Speaker 4: his hands were working.
Speaker 8: Which actually brings up something really interesting and I'd love
Speaker 8: to dig more into. But I'm coming up against a
Speaker 8: brick walls. I'm hoping maybe one of you will have
Speaker 8: more to go with it. But the relationships between Roger
Speaker 8: and Max set up against the relationship of Roger and
Speaker 8: Linda is really interesting because he seems to care so
Speaker 8: much more about what Max thinks, and he doesn't care
Speaker 8: what Linda thinks. Linda is just an extra being in
Speaker 8: the house, so it's I mean, they're married, so there
Speaker 8: has to be a stronger relationship there than with his
Speaker 8: partner basically, But I was wondering if either of you
Speaker 8: had anything to say about I did notice two up
Speaker 8: against each other.
Speaker 4: I did notice a couple of key moments where we
Speaker 4: see Max, you know, when Linda comes up or Linda's
Speaker 4: in the scene, and he's just doing that kind of
Speaker 4: scowl of just like, oh no, I don't want her around,
Speaker 4: which brought to mind like Reanimator and Jeffrey Comb's like, oh,
Speaker 4: there's a woman involved. They'll never be able to get
Speaker 4: my experiments done with if Barbara Crampton's around, get her
Speaker 4: out of the room. So I almost feel like it's,
Speaker 4: you know, he's jealous just because he wants the time
Speaker 4: to do with these experiments and she's a distraction in
Speaker 4: his eyes. But I really like to know what the
Speaker 4: hospital breakdown thing is it happened to Roger and does
Speaker 4: it involve Max, because we have this, you know, thing
Speaker 4: about he had a breakdown, he wasn't allowed back at
Speaker 4: the hospital and he's really bitter about that. And since
Speaker 4: Max is here, I'm like, was it something involving these
Speaker 4: two guys that made did he go to bat form
Speaker 4: or something? Did something weird happen? I don't know, but
Speaker 4: I'm curious about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can totally see Max being a mentor to
Speaker 6: him at some point, and yeah, teaching him these techniques
Speaker 6: that were maybe you know, not approved by the board,
Speaker 6: not approved by the medical community, and that's what eventually
Speaker 6: gets Max or gets Roger kicked out, or maybe even
Speaker 6: got Max kicked out originally, and then Roger soon follows.
Speaker 6: It is interesting just how many father son relationships there
Speaker 6: are in here, both real father sons as far as
Speaker 6: you know, Danny and his father, and then you have
Speaker 6: this kind of paternal relationship between Max and Roger and
Speaker 6: then this whole thing of like, you know, when Danny
Speaker 6: wakes up, what does Cole say to him, Oh, I'm
Speaker 6: your brother, And I'm like, okay, that's interesting. And he's
Speaker 6: kind of like the new creature with the two heads
Speaker 6: is almost the son of Roger and Max, you know,
Speaker 6: rather than being a natural son, you know, we can
Speaker 6: talk about Frankenstein as well, rather than being that natural
Speaker 6: son that Victor Frankenstein and Elizabeth or Elizabeth right like
Speaker 6: they should have had together. Instead, he's making his own
Speaker 6: son with you know, Igor and the lab or whatever.
Speaker 6: And he's just like, oh, yeah, you know, I'm creating
Speaker 6: life here rather than creating life with my partner, who
Speaker 6: I should be having this, but instead I'm way too
Speaker 6: interested in like, oh, I'll put another head on here,
Speaker 6: and then I'll swap that one out and now I've
Speaker 6: got a new body. Hey, this is great.
Speaker 4: It's funny you bring that up, because I started noticing
Speaker 4: a lot of parallels with Frankenstein, specifically the universal monster
Speaker 4: ones that, like you said, you have Elizabeth and those
Speaker 4: who's like the ignored fiance, and you have Linda Hear,
Speaker 4: the ignored wife, and then you have Max who seems
Speaker 4: to be a fusion of both Fritz the lab assistant,
Speaker 4: but also doctor Pretorius, the one who's so.
Speaker 6: Doctor Pretorious, especially the gayness of doctor Pretorius.
Speaker 4: And leading him down this terrible path. You've got the
Speaker 4: Lynch Mob. You've got Ken, who's sort of like a
Speaker 4: Victor Morritz character from the original one, the one who's
Speaker 4: going to show up and at least it's assumed in
Speaker 4: the first movie take care of Elizabeth once Henry's out
Speaker 4: of the way. And Ken's also sort of doctor Baldman character,
Speaker 4: the Edward van Sloane, other doctor who's a colleague who's
Speaker 4: more rational, is like, you've got to stop this stuff.
Speaker 4: Lots of weird little parallels like that.
Speaker 6: Well, and then of course the end, which I know
Speaker 6: we'll get to eventually, but yeah, that end is so Frankenstein.
Speaker 6: I think I even wrote that in my notes with
Speaker 6: this whole, like you know, and it's more right of Frankenstein.
Speaker 6: It's almost we belong dead, and like literally we belong
Speaker 6: dead when it comes to that.
Speaker 4: And yet I kept thinking, is Danny gonna have a
Speaker 4: moment where he finally asserts control and stops some Moor,
Speaker 4: saves Linden, but he doesn't he doesn't at all.
Speaker 8: Danny has the worst story. I feel so bad for
Speaker 8: this character. What happens before the movie starts, of course,
Speaker 8: how he loses oxygen to his brain and he isn't
Speaker 8: the same person, but he's still attracted to this place
Speaker 8: of trauma, which, by the way, it's a cave system,
Speaker 8: so it's it's the womb.
Speaker 4: I was also thinking sort of the dark subconscious too,
Speaker 4: so it's gotten multiple metaphorical ideas.
Speaker 8: He's deeply attracted to this cave's because it was a
Speaker 8: place of trauma and still is a place of trauma.
Speaker 8: Then he he has this horrific surgery happened to him.
Speaker 8: He's subjected to seeing his own body commit murders and
Speaker 8: rapes and assaults, and then he dies where he would
Speaker 8: have died if they'd left him in the cave system
Speaker 8: years ago. So he is the worst, most tragic story
Speaker 8: of this whole movie. I feel for him so much.
Speaker 4: In that last shot where we see he's conscious as
Speaker 4: the cave that's happening all around him, it's just, oh,
Speaker 4: it's awful. Yeah. I also not sort of a parallel
Speaker 4: between Danny Manny as I kind of call him and
Speaker 4: Roger and Max that. I mean, you have in Roger
Speaker 4: and Max's case, Max is like this, this malign influence
Speaker 4: is kind of like we should do this, we should
Speaker 4: do this, And Roger doesn't seem to have the stones
Speaker 4: to be like, no, I'm not doing that. He's immediately like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right, we'll do this. He's powerless to stop him,
Speaker 4: and the same way Manny is doing this horrible stuff
Speaker 4: and Danny is completely powerless to actually put a stop to.
Speaker 6: Any of it.
Speaker 8: Okay, so you kind of just cracked it open that
Speaker 8: there are two two headed monsters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go. Exactly.
Speaker 6: Max might as well have be that, you know, he's
Speaker 6: the devil on the shoulder, just like how Manny is
Speaker 6: that or cast is that devil on Danny's shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I love that. I think that's fantastic.
Speaker 4: And how many times visually Max and Roger just paired together,
Speaker 4: whether they're you know, with their guns hunting in the
Speaker 4: mountains or in the lab, they're always in sony scenes together.
Speaker 6: There's definitely a lot more than just like oh, this,
Speaker 6: you know, cheap exploitation film, and it is cheap, and
Speaker 6: there's great like gore effects and things like that. As
Speaker 6: soon as the movie starts, I'm like, oh, I'm in
Speaker 6: for something here. And then the score, Oh my god,
Speaker 6: the score drives me freaking crazy because it is all
Speaker 6: over the place and some of the jazz flute that
Speaker 6: they have going on during these scenes, I'm just like,
Speaker 6: what is happening here? This is I mean, I kind
Speaker 6: of love it and I kind of hate it at
Speaker 6: the same time.
Speaker 4: Light symbol taps for suspense when like, you know, Manny
Speaker 4: is sneaking into the house, things like that, or there's
Speaker 4: one success you have notes that keeps remind me of
Speaker 4: the Ifukube score from Godzilla. That bomb boom boom boom
Speaker 4: after Godzilla's rampage that we hear a couple of times too.
Speaker 4: I will say the music when he wakes up in
Speaker 4: the lab for the first time, he's actually creepy. I
Speaker 4: actually thought that was a really good little piece of music.
Speaker 4: There are points where I'm like, is this diegetic music?
Speaker 4: Is this like on the radio in the car or
Speaker 4: is this supposed to be score? I can't quite tell.
Speaker 6: I mean, it sounds like when they come to the
Speaker 6: bikers after Danny, the two headed Danny escapes, you know,
Speaker 6: thanks to his his friend on his shoulder there, and
Speaker 6: they go out and they find these bikers. I mean,
Speaker 6: first they find the smoochers, they find all the people
Speaker 6: that are out there and on Lover's lane, and the
Speaker 6: reaction from the one couple that isn't being killed is
Speaker 6: just kind of like, huh, what's going on over there?
Speaker 6: That's interesting, that's kind of weird. Yeah, somebody should look
Speaker 6: into that sometime and talk about in a effective I mean,
Speaker 6: they're pretty ineffective. The bikers can't do anything against the
Speaker 6: two headed creature, and the cops are the most ineffective
Speaker 6: cops I've seen in a long darn time.
Speaker 4: Right down to the deputy having that voice. Oh you sure?
Speaker 6: Oh my god? I mean, is that adr because it
Speaker 6: sounds like later on in the movie it's his real voice,
Speaker 6: but those for a few times he's on screen. The
Speaker 6: guy's on riff tracks described it as being sounding like
Speaker 6: a cartoon bear. I was like, yeah, yeah, I can
Speaker 6: definitely hear that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then then the last scene it sounds like
Speaker 4: we were hearing the actor's voice and he's doing that voice.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if he just gave a little
Speaker 4: extra juice in looping or what. Because the sheriff in
Speaker 4: that scene, first scene where we first meet them too.
Speaker 4: His voice sounds a little crazy too. Yeah, I suddenly
Speaker 4: thought of the two idiot patrolmen from last house on
Speaker 4: the left door there for like comic relief for the town,
Speaker 4: the dreaded sendown where the cops are just completely useless
Speaker 4: and hilarious in that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they almost always are in these films.
Speaker 6: It's very rare that you find competent police force, especially
Speaker 6: when there's a monster who's terrorizing the countryside.
Speaker 4: Or as they point out on riff tracks, the sheriff
Speaker 4: meets this doctor out of nowhere who you point out
Speaker 4: has something important to tell him, but never actually does
Speaker 4: tell him, and he immediately it's like, come along on
Speaker 4: the murder investigation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you could be of use. You're a doctor. That
Speaker 8: means you can do forensics right of course.
Speaker 4: Which amount to she's dead and she's been beating up
Speaker 4: a lot a lot of bones broken, good job, But why.
Speaker 8: Did you stop by? What did you want to tell me?
Speaker 4: Or then there's this cave in and nobody seems to
Speaker 4: be concerned about, well, should we try to excavate and
Speaker 4: get them out of there the way we did? Danny
Speaker 4: back in the day, maybe some of them could still
Speaker 4: be alive. But no, no, just walk away, good please work,
Speaker 4: just put a plaque on it. Oh and by the way,
Speaker 4: Danny did it. Danny did it all. Great, good job,
Speaker 4: Ken nice. You could have just said it was Cass,
Speaker 4: you know they know he's around, But no, I just.
Speaker 6: Throw it on the guy, the poor god.
Speaker 8: I mean, blame it on the doctor. Even if you're
Speaker 8: a little worried about Cass being just ahead in the
Speaker 8: blame it on the doctor exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean, the better count as lucky stars that they're
Speaker 6: not doing that excavation and not finding like an extra
Speaker 6: skull in there.
Speaker 4: But after everything happened to Danny, laying it all on
Speaker 4: his feet is just like one more you know, injury,
Speaker 4: and one more insult after injury.
Speaker 8: It's like no sense lost in that case, I know, to.
Speaker 4: Protect this insane scientists like why, I.
Speaker 6: Was really surprised that the incredible two headed transplant actually
Speaker 6: makes it into Bruce Dern's autobiography. It did, and yeah,
Speaker 6: which was wild and he's just like, yeah, they called
Speaker 6: me up and said, do you want to make seventeen
Speaker 6: fifty for working on this? And that's one thy, seven
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty dollars, not seventeen point five zero, though
Speaker 6: it feels like that much effort went into this performance,
Speaker 6: because I just can't believe I've never seen Bruce Dern
Speaker 6: as sedate as he is in this role, never, like,
Speaker 6: no matter what, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: What's your next app is to take the live head
Speaker 1: of an animal and replace it completely with the other
Speaker 1: live animal's head, and after that then humans and I
Speaker 1: am successful with this operation, then I'll be able to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 8: I honestly thought he'd been very poorly eighty yard the
Speaker 8: whole time. It was just so mumbly. He was talking
Speaker 8: like this the whole time. No matter what emotion he
Speaker 8: should have been having, it was just like he was
Speaker 8: clouded with barbituates.
Speaker 4: Coming into this. I'm thinking, like, you know, during in
Speaker 4: Silent Running in Black Sunday, that we're going to get
Speaker 4: a really unhinged during his Mad Scientist and he starts
Speaker 4: off todate and I'm like, Okay, he's starting us quiet,
Speaker 4: but we're going to ramp it up, and no, we
Speaker 4: really don't. He gets a little upset when talking about
Speaker 4: the hospital. He gets really upset when Ken's on the
Speaker 4: phone and he doesn't want to go answer it. But
Speaker 4: otherwise it's like when they're they're hunting Denny's. Yeah, well
Speaker 4: we'll go back out a little bit and try and
Speaker 4: find him. Just like he just he's so tuned out.
Speaker 4: I expected we were gonna see him like injecting himself
Speaker 4: with tranquilizers at some point or something.
Speaker 6: To explain it that phone call that he gets so
Speaker 6: angry at him. Just what was the direction in this moment,
Speaker 6: Anthony Liansa, What were you doing? Why was he so
Speaker 6: angry at this? Yeah, and yeah, I was surprised that
Speaker 6: he wasn't even doing experiments on himself or something like
Speaker 6: you said, like shooting tranquilizers or doing some sort of
Speaker 6: like chemical experiments on himself to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 6: I can be a better person because of X, Y
Speaker 6: and Z, like the science has opened up all these
Speaker 6: new avenues for me. But no, it's just the two
Speaker 6: headedness of everything. And he's so inspired by that two
Speaker 6: headed snake and just keeps going back to that. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I guess that's the whole symbol for the film.
Speaker 4: Also, like, I mean, he's willing to turn a shotgun
Speaker 4: on his best friend very casually, just like, yeah, nope,
Speaker 4: we're not doing that. I'm gonna throw my wife in
Speaker 4: a cage again, very casually.
Speaker 6: When castik's that extension chord or the chord from the
Speaker 6: phone or whatever and just like turns her around and
Speaker 6: starts to like, okay, spread your legs. I'm just like,
Speaker 6: all right, this feels like a scene to me. This
Speaker 6: feels like you guys had a contract sign before you
Speaker 6: started to play together.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a that was kind of uncomfortable. I
Speaker 4: could help. But notice he pulls out the power chord
Speaker 4: that's lighting up that painting. A couple of scenes later,
Speaker 4: this painting is lit up again, So I just imagine
Speaker 4: Roger like, well, gotta get this going again. He's like,
Speaker 4: that's that's where his priorities are. He's gonna have that
Speaker 4: painting lit again and looking perfect. And I almost feel
Speaker 4: like you could have done something with that, the idea
Speaker 4: that Roger is so depraved that he's very sedate about
Speaker 4: all this and nothing affects him, but it doesn't feel
Speaker 4: consistent enough to worry.
Speaker 8: The other movies would have shown him either be that
Speaker 8: cold all the way through about everything, but like chilly
Speaker 8: instead of kind of like bored almost, or they could
Speaker 8: have shown us that he has an addiction problem, or
Speaker 8: they could have gone even further out and said hypnotism.
Speaker 8: They could have done something to explain why the character
Speaker 8: is so one note.
Speaker 4: We're wondering that if Max has him hypnotized or something,
Speaker 4: and that's why every time he's like we should do this,
Speaker 4: he's like, yes, yeah, we should do that. One little
Speaker 4: touch that durn did and I'm not sure if it
Speaker 4: was on purpose or what it means is there's a
Speaker 4: great moment when when Danny comes in after the murders
Speaker 4: and finds his dad and starts cradling the body, and
Speaker 4: you can see Darren just kind of roll his eyes
Speaker 4: like ah shit, and it's like, I wasn't sure if
Speaker 4: to take it up. Oh, I really didn't want Danny
Speaker 4: to see his murdered father's body of oh shit, now
Speaker 4: he's gonna be caught up with that. I'll never get
Speaker 4: untied and be able to get after this guy. Either way.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a nice touch on Durren's part, though.
Speaker 6: I almost wonder if he and Casey Caysm should have
Speaker 6: exchanged roles and it should have been like the Casey
Speaker 6: Cason Vehicle where he's the mad scientist and Bruce Durn's
Speaker 6: the friend. Because Casey Kasem barely has anything to do
Speaker 6: in this movie. He just kind of shows up or
Speaker 6: like gives him a call, Hey, don't forget, I'm coming over,
Speaker 6: and then he shows up later and hey, remember I
Speaker 6: said i'd be over. There's no real reason for any
Speaker 6: of that stuff to happen.
Speaker 8: They could literally just switch lines, keep their delivery the same,
Speaker 8: and I think it would be an infinitely better film.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, although then we might not get Casey
Speaker 4: Casem's amazing ensembles because he'd been in a lab coat
Speaker 4: all the time, those high giant collar shirts and that
Speaker 4: weird funky tie he has. He's looking stylish.
Speaker 6: I love how easily cast breaks out of the mental asylum.
Speaker 6: Kind of reminded me of a lot of Michael Myers,
Speaker 6: you know, just like, Okay, he's gone, don't worry about it.
Speaker 6: He chokes out. The one guy jumps into the car,
Speaker 6: it happens to have a whole bottle of milk there,
Speaker 6: so that was very convenient. Who's leaving milk in their
Speaker 6: hot car?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Ooh, I do have to mention. That
Speaker 4: scene has one of my favorite cuts in the movie too,
Speaker 4: because it cuts straight from Roger and Linda are starting
Speaker 4: to make love and he's kind of on top, and
Speaker 4: we immediately cut to a shot of cast strangling the guy,
Speaker 4: and it's like, Yes, this is sex for him, is violence.
Speaker 4: This is what turns him on is strangling people. I
Speaker 4: thought the way those two cut together is really really cool.
Speaker 4: That's a I thought that was a really great transition.
Speaker 8: I do actually want to look further into the editor's
Speaker 8: career because.
Speaker 4: It's the director.
Speaker 8: Oh this, the director did this. Oh fantastic, Okay, so
Speaker 8: I love it. I think there's a use for this
Speaker 8: editing style outside of this story, because this particular story
Speaker 8: needed a lot more work to be able to live
Speaker 8: up to that editing.
Speaker 4: I think he was primarily an editor because he has
Speaker 4: a much bigger editing career than he does as a director,
Speaker 4: both before and after, So this might have been kind
Speaker 4: of him trying up directing. I think he directed one
Speaker 4: of a film before this, possibly, but yeah.
Speaker 6: I want to say it was The Glory Stompers, because
Speaker 6: I did read an interview with him and he was
Speaker 6: just like, yeah, I helped out this person I helped
Speaker 6: that this person, you know, this definitely seemed like he
Speaker 6: was much more behind the scenes than actively directing for
Speaker 6: quite a bit of his career.
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying he was a bad director outside
Speaker 8: of the cuts, not at all, but those were stellar.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Another one I love is when they're talking about the
Speaker 4: monkey and taking the experiment to the next phase of
Speaker 4: you know, cutting off the head and seeing if the
Speaker 4: other one will take it and take control of the body.
Speaker 4: And we cut from Max staring at the monkey with
Speaker 4: this an instant smile, right to Andrew with the clippers
Speaker 4: clipping the heads like chop, chop chop. Beautiful cut. I
Speaker 4: love that. I love the idea. These cuts are kind
Speaker 4: of letting us in on the mindsets of these characters.
Speaker 6: Even just those little things like Danny with his axe
Speaker 6: and he's running along the bushes and stuff, and it's
Speaker 6: just like, hey, hey, Danny, it's not a toy, you know,
Speaker 6: it's just showing like how carefree he is. And then
Speaker 6: it's just awful. Like again to your point, Agatha, just
Speaker 6: what a broad deal this poor guy has had, Like
Speaker 6: he seems to be doing pretty okay with his life
Speaker 6: when we first meet him and able to use his
Speaker 6: enormous strength to rip out a tree from the ground
Speaker 6: that has absolutely no roots or root system. But yeah,
Speaker 6: it's just amazing to see him, and it seems like
Speaker 6: him and his dad are getting along pretty well and
Speaker 6: just you know, his dad's watching out for him. And
Speaker 6: then yeah, he gets everything taken away from him, everything.
Speaker 4: And I love the little edit cuts of Andrew his
Speaker 4: father during the operation scene, like little almost subliminal and
Speaker 4: always you know, cutting from Roger to that like this
Speaker 4: is on Roger's mind of like I promised I'd look
Speaker 4: after him, and this is how I'm going to do it. Apparently.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he edited some interesting things Anthony Lanza and this film.
Speaker 6: Of course. The previous one was Dinah East, which I
Speaker 6: feel like we've talked about on the show before. It
Speaker 6: was the kind of odd Gene Nash film that was
Speaker 6: allegedly about May West, that there were all these rumors
Speaker 6: that she was actually a man. And so when this
Speaker 6: star dies and they Dinah East and they go yeah,
Speaker 6: May West, Dyna East, and they go in and they
Speaker 6: take pictures of the body and they find out, oh,
Speaker 6: she was a man all the long. It was absolutely
Speaker 6: bizarre exploitation film. It was kind of hard to find
Speaker 6: for a while, but fortunately question Mark it's a little
Speaker 6: bit easier these days.
Speaker 8: Good because I want to find it. I want to
Speaker 8: see this.
Speaker 6: I think you will have a good time.
Speaker 8: Excellent.
Speaker 4: I did notice some titles in this hormography, like Outlaw
Speaker 4: Motorcycles on hot Rod Action that feel like the kind
Speaker 4: of exploitation movies that would the style would lend well
Speaker 4: to what we see here. Like the biker fight for example.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, the biker flight fight is actually okay.
Speaker 4: He does a very good job of cutting it in
Speaker 4: such a way where he's trying to hide the fake
Speaker 4: head during the fight scene, Like there's a moment where
Speaker 4: they're kind of circling each other and it's just at
Speaker 4: that moment that the biker kind of blocks what we
Speaker 4: would have seen of the fake head, And I thought
Speaker 4: that was again a really clever way of not letting
Speaker 4: us set it too much. There's some scenes where the
Speaker 4: fake head doesn't look bad. Some scenes where it bounces
Speaker 4: around a lot, like when he's chasing after the woman
Speaker 4: in the lake where it looks a little goofy, but
Speaker 4: or even the walking scenes where you can tell it's
Speaker 4: like Cole like perched on his shoulder, moving with Bloom
Speaker 4: as they're walking, but it actually kind of works. They
Speaker 4: actually do a pretty good job with that.
Speaker 6: And when they show the actual actor on the shoulder,
Speaker 6: I think those shots are just fantastic. And it helps
Speaker 6: that Bloom is just built like such a brick shithouse
Speaker 6: that to fit this little actor on his shoulder works
Speaker 6: pretty darn well.
Speaker 4: Also, maybe I'm just kind of imagining it, but I
Speaker 4: swear as the film went on, they started to make
Speaker 4: up Cold a little bit to look a little gray
Speaker 4: and ashen, almost like his body is rejecting the transplant.
Speaker 4: It's very subtle, but you can especially see on the
Speaker 4: fake head that in some wide shots his head looks
Speaker 4: almost gray, which I thought, if that was on purpose,
Speaker 4: that's really subtle and interesting.
Speaker 6: I'd like to think it was on purpose, but I
Speaker 6: don't imagine it was. And then, like we were saying earlier,
Speaker 6: we'd come to the end of this film and literally
Speaker 6: have the mob going after poor Danny with his two heads,
Speaker 6: and yeah, that idea of I'm going to go back
Speaker 6: to this cave, back to the womb and pull the
Speaker 6: walls down behind me, And yeah, it's awful. It is
Speaker 6: so bad that the poor guy goes, but at least
Speaker 6: he takes everyone bad with him, well most bad people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, every time they showed like the posse out with
Speaker 4: the hounds and then cut to Danny running across like
Speaker 4: the countryside, all I can think it was dark Knight
Speaker 4: of the Scarecrow, and I made me wonder maybe this
Speaker 4: posse would have gone on God after Danny eventually anyway,
Speaker 4: just because he's different, you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is remarkable that they don't really bring that
Speaker 6: up too much. And just like some of the language
Speaker 6: around him, they're not calling them simple or any of
Speaker 6: these words that you would associate with them or like.
Speaker 6: It kind of reminded me of the Sun from Faster
Speaker 6: Pussycat Kill Kill, just who's just like pure muscle and
Speaker 6: no hate, you know, like he seems pretty pretty just stupid,
Speaker 6: stupid and big, and that's so much of Danny's m O.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I really I like this guy and I
Speaker 6: really pull for him. And then it's just awful, all
Speaker 6: of these bad things. I don't know if it's Bloom
Speaker 6: and his ability to act. I don't know if it's
Speaker 6: just the way that they characterize this character, but it
Speaker 6: all comes together for me with this with Danny and
Speaker 6: just making me feel bad for the character, which I
Speaker 6: feel a lot worse for him than I do pretty
Speaker 6: much any of these other two headed characters that we're
Speaker 6: going to talk about in the next segment.
Speaker 4: The scene where he goes back to the mine the
Speaker 4: first time and we just see that sort of curiosity
Speaker 4: but also fear and trauma and kind of remembering how
Speaker 4: he was as a kid and he still kind of
Speaker 4: is now. That the way that plays on blooms Face,
Speaker 4: I think is actually really good. That's a good I
Speaker 4: thought that was a great scene.
Speaker 6: When the audio is very effective there too, hearing those
Speaker 6: echoes and hearing the flashback audio and things just like
Speaker 6: bringing up those memories, hearing people calling his name. I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, yeah, that's really good.
Speaker 4: And him playing with like a toy gun outside the
Speaker 4: mind and you can imagine playing like cops and robbers
Speaker 4: and the bad guys of course are going to hide
Speaker 4: in there and I'm going to go get him. And
Speaker 4: that's exactly what he ends up doing with Nanny, that
Speaker 4: he actually leads him to this place to be their
Speaker 4: hiding place, almost like yes, this is where evils belongs.
Speaker 4: It belongs in this dark, nasty cave with this terrible
Speaker 4: thing happened to me.
Speaker 6: I kept waiting for Roman to come marching, Oh fool humans.
Speaker 4: To give credit to a few things, there's an amazing
Speaker 4: shot when he's going after the two teenagers in the
Speaker 4: cars where he's coming out of the swamp silhouetted and
Speaker 4: you just see like the car in the foreground and
Speaker 4: him kind of lurching out of the swamp with an
Speaker 4: arm out that I thought was actually really effective too.
Speaker 4: That was a creepy shot. It also creeped me out
Speaker 4: a little bit that the girl in the second car
Speaker 4: is screaming no, you know, trying to get away from
Speaker 4: the boyfriend, and the couple in the front car is
Speaker 4: just like whatever.
Speaker 8: Well, there's there's also the fact that she's being assaulted
Speaker 8: and trying to leave. He brings her back in the
Speaker 8: car and Danny Manny Monster come up and the would
Speaker 8: be rapist is now clinging to his would be victim
Speaker 8: just out of terror. It was just an interesting moment,
Speaker 8: but it still left me kind of like, oh, what's
Speaker 8: going to happen now, Like that's the end of their
Speaker 8: lives here. She was almost a rape. She's definitely assaulted
Speaker 8: and now she is murdered. This is terrible. And right
Speaker 8: there behind them is a car with a couple making out.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I also have to bring up the very ominous
Speaker 4: thing when Linda's asking Roger is there anything you could
Speaker 4: do for Danny? And he's like maybe after the next experiment,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what was Roger gonna do to help me?
Speaker 4: Any quotation mark Stanny? He does transplants, what what would
Speaker 4: he do in this situation?
Speaker 8: And when Linda asks if they can go away on vacation,
Speaker 8: you can understand they've been through a lot of stress.
Speaker 8: Something happened at the hospital. Now some weird stuff is
Speaker 8: happening at their house, and he asks, he asks Linda, well,
Speaker 8: what do you want me to do about my work?
Speaker 8: I don't know, Maybe maybe don't do creepy work.
Speaker 4: Maybe let Max take care of the monkeys and bunnies
Speaker 4: for those.
Speaker 8: You know, you have an assistant who can manage.
Speaker 4: He's much more attentive to this kind of thing. I
Speaker 4: also have to bring up the amazing cut of when
Speaker 4: they're talking about, you know, I'll go to the sheriff eventually,
Speaker 4: I'll I'm gonna send Max in town, He'll take care
Speaker 4: of Andrew's funeral. Cut immediately to Max just digging up
Speaker 4: a hole in the backyard to dump the two bottom.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh god, again, this poor family.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you're just like, well, what's their whole story?
Speaker 6: Like why is it just the father and the son?
Speaker 6: Like what happened to the mom? Like yeah, it's You're like, okay,
Speaker 6: well this is a damaged group as well. Pretty much
Speaker 6: everybody in here is damaged.
Speaker 4: Again that quote from Danny's father of like, I appreciate
Speaker 4: you looking out for my boy. It's like, so what
Speaker 4: was he expecting of Roger and Linda in terms of
Speaker 4: looking out Because he's still there and taking care of
Speaker 4: his son, So I'm kind of curious as to what
Speaker 4: he was expecting there.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mentioned that this was a request from James Brummel,
Speaker 6: and one of his notes that he gave to me
Speaker 6: was the idea of the heading the two headed Snake,
Speaker 6: which keeps going back to Yeah.
Speaker 8: I'll notice Mack's doing that.
Speaker 4: A lot, especially while while Roger's making up his mind
Speaker 4: about the operation. It does seem kind of suggestive.
Speaker 6: Yeah, kind of reminds me of that line from The
Speaker 6: Incredible Two or sorry from the thing with two heads,
Speaker 6: you know, do you have two of anything else? I
Speaker 6: don't know why you would that. It seems like a
Speaker 6: very odd surgery to do.
Speaker 4: But it's an odd situation. So yeah, I wonder if
Speaker 4: part of it was also practical, because it's the only
Speaker 4: animal that actually does have two heads, and if you
Speaker 4: start petting the bunny or the monkey, you know, the
Speaker 4: prosthetic one might come off. I will say the fake
Speaker 4: monkey head looked good to the point where I was
Speaker 4: a little worried. Was that like a taxidermied monkey head
Speaker 4: that they put on that monkey? I hope, yeah, not.
Speaker 6: But well, the very first shout of the monkey, it
Speaker 6: almost looked like the other head was hiding, you know,
Speaker 6: that there was a second monkey that was actually there.
Speaker 6: But then that was the only time I thought, are
Speaker 6: there actually two monkeys here? Because the rest of it,
Speaker 6: I was like, Okay, I can see that that's not real.
Speaker 6: But yeah, to your point, it did look really good
Speaker 6: in a lot of places, And yeah, so did the
Speaker 6: whole two heads on Danny. It looked pretty good most
Speaker 6: of the time, and I'm just like, okay, I can
Speaker 6: overlook when it looked bad, you know, like when he
Speaker 6: is running and stuff. I'm like, all right, but yeah,
Speaker 6: they did a good job of trying to cover that up.
Speaker 8: I know this comes up in a lot of movies,
Speaker 8: and especially to some degree exploitation films, but the lab
Speaker 8: tour made me very uncomfortable, as even though we're seeing,
Speaker 8: you know, a two headed rabbit or whatever, that's a
Speaker 8: rabbit actually experiencing those conditions you put them in, I
Speaker 8: don't like that actually, which it just the raw nature
Speaker 8: of the film itself just highlighted the conditions for the
Speaker 8: actual creatures in there.
Speaker 4: And with this sort of prosthetic head mounted on it
Speaker 4: probably could not have been comfortable.
Speaker 6: Now. Yeah, when they show that fox, the first animal
Speaker 6: I think they shows the fox, I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 6: that poor thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually kept having flashes to Larry Fessenden's No Telling,
Speaker 4: which is very similar in a lot of ways. It
Speaker 4: involves transplants, it has the same love triangle with the
Speaker 4: mad scientists, the wife and the good guy who's kind
Speaker 4: of trying to lure her out of this. There was
Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of parallels between those two movies.
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Speaker 10: A white bigot needed a new buddy. A black soul
Speaker 10: brother needed time to prove his innocence. Together, they unwillingly
Speaker 10: created one of the most horrifying aspects of modern medical science,
Speaker 10: The Thing with two heads.
Speaker 7: I've told you guys, I was in the little Why
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Speaker 2: Why do you do this to me? Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you're crazy.
Speaker 4: You'll never get out of here, that's what you think.
Speaker 11: Hold everybody, hold.
Speaker 1: It right there?
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Speaker 10: A chase that crossed four counties and threatened the destruction of.
Speaker 6: An entire town.
Speaker 9: He's taking control of your body.
Speaker 11: Hold one head.
Speaker 10: A convicted murderer, the other a scientist guilty of only
Speaker 10: his bigotry and hate, and each trying desperately to gain
Speaker 10: full control.
Speaker 7: Of them black body.
Speaker 6: They shared.
Speaker 10: Raymonland and Rosie Greer as shut up.
Speaker 2: The Thing with Two Heads.
Speaker 6: That's right, and we're back and we're talking about the
Speaker 6: two Headed Transplant. And I was very curious about the
Speaker 6: timeline between this and the Thing with Two Heads, because
Speaker 6: this one, incredible two Headed Transplant came out nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 6: and it sounds like they were maybe making the second
Speaker 6: one right around this time, but I didn't. There was
Speaker 6: a nice interview with James Gordon White that was on
Speaker 6: the Incredible Two Headed Transplant disc and he was saying
Speaker 6: that he got a little bit of money because of
Speaker 6: the Thing with Two Heads, and I think you even
Speaker 6: see his name listed in the credits. So I was
Speaker 6: glad that he did get a little bit from that
Speaker 6: because these two movies, I mean, to have two two
Speaker 6: headed movies coming out. I mean, this is not like
Speaker 6: an Armageddon deep impact kind of thing, but it's close,
Speaker 6: but it's the two headedness of it all.
Speaker 4: I also know it's another name. I think it was
Speaker 4: a John Lawrence and Johnathon Lawrence. I wasn't sure if
Speaker 4: that was the same person connected between the two of
Speaker 4: the moves list is like, I think an executive producer
Speaker 4: on Thing with Two Heads, and are these these are
Speaker 4: both aip? Right?
Speaker 6: They are?
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh yeah. It's not like another company trying to
Speaker 4: rip off or kind of copy that. They're just like, well,
Speaker 4: we did that, maybe we can do it again differently.
Speaker 8: What I like about the two films coming from the
Speaker 8: same house, basically, is that the two headed transplant is
Speaker 8: kind of the movies the film serious way of looking
Speaker 8: at it, quote unquote serious. But then you get the
Speaker 8: Thing with two Heads, and you're getting a takedown, a
Speaker 8: black exploitations takedown of that movie of another exploitation film,
Speaker 8: and it's so tongue in cheek and I love it.
Speaker 8: I actually wished we had been doing The Thing with
Speaker 8: Two Heads because I loved it so much, and I
Speaker 8: had seen it for this, so it wasn't like I
Speaker 8: had known about the film ahead of time. But as
Speaker 8: a commentary about films like this, it was fantastic. Plus,
Speaker 8: it's not the Thing with two heads, according to the titles,
Speaker 8: it's the Thing with two heads heads.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, thank you. Yes, I forgot about that.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 4: one I had seen and remembered as a kid. So
Speaker 4: I was eager to see it again because it's been
Speaker 4: so long and there was so much I missed as
Speaker 4: a kid, because you know, as a kid, you're just like,
Speaker 4: all right, well, are we going to get to the
Speaker 4: either the grill of the two heads or the two
Speaker 4: headed guy. So a lot of the first act leading
Speaker 4: up to it, how Ray Miland just seems to be like, Oh,
Speaker 4: he's this crusty but intelligent doctor. Okay, And then once
Speaker 4: the reel comes at, Oh yeah, I'm not hiring you
Speaker 4: because you're black, and you realize, oh, that's what this
Speaker 4: guy's about.
Speaker 8: Whoof I had that momentary? What movie or we will?
Speaker 8: Oh that's the point. Yeah, okay, I know what movie
Speaker 8: we're watching now? This is okay?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was surprising and just how vicious he is
Speaker 6: about things, because you're like, is he going to go there? Oh?
Speaker 6: He went there? Okay, all right.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of funny to see you have Bruce
Speaker 4: Dern starting off in kind of B movies and incredible
Speaker 4: to it, and Transplant is kind of the last of
Speaker 4: the really goofy be movies he did. Then you have
Speaker 4: Ray Milan on the opposite spectrum, near the end of
Speaker 4: his career doing a B movie. But I gotta say,
Speaker 4: Milan doesn't really feel like he's phoning it in. He's
Speaker 4: kinda he's doing it.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's the thing. Nobody is giving half assed
Speaker 6: performances in this one. It is all the way. And
Speaker 6: I really like Rosie Greer and here, but I really
Speaker 6: like Don Marshall as the black doctor who's being discriminated against.
Speaker 6: I thought it was great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he kind of feels like our side protagonist eventually
Speaker 4: because he's the guy, kind of the guy making the
Speaker 4: moral choices in the second half and kind of he's
Speaker 4: the one we're sort of following through all.
Speaker 6: This, right. Yeah, he's like Max of Max was good, Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: because he you know, he could be the guy who
Speaker 6: helped save you know, save either Rosie Greer or rayma Land.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's funny because this movie is very similar
Speaker 6: to one of my favorite films in the entire world,
Speaker 6: Free Jack, with this whole idea of you know, I
Speaker 6: need a different body. This one is dying, Give me
Speaker 6: a new body. And then this whole idea of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: we've got a body for you, but it's a black guy. Sorry,
Speaker 6: my bad, you know, And I really like that little twist.
Speaker 6: I would say that I would like the thing with
Speaker 6: two heads heads a little bit more if they cut
Speaker 6: down on the moped stuff towards the end, because that
Speaker 6: just goes on forever and talk about looking bad with
Speaker 6: the two heads. That's where it really shines for me.
Speaker 8: It did go on way too long, but to be fair,
Speaker 8: it did that thing where it went on and it
Speaker 8: was funny and then it stopped being funny because it
Speaker 8: went on too long, but then it kept going so
Speaker 8: it was funny again, and it just kind of built
Speaker 8: on itself.
Speaker 4: And when you see like Bud Eckens listing in the
Speaker 4: credits as a stunt coordinator, you know you're going to
Speaker 4: get some amazing motorcycle stuff. And some of those stunts
Speaker 4: are so good you can tell. It's like, we had
Speaker 4: what five cameras on that crash, use every bit of them.
Speaker 4: Oh there's suddenly just another car following them that rolls
Speaker 4: down the hill the same way. I will say. During
Speaker 4: that scene, though, Raymaland's fake head started to look like
Speaker 4: beetlejuice at some point, hair flying, pale, dark wem rings
Speaker 4: around the eyes. It was a little awkward.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I really like this one though. I think it's great,
Speaker 6: especially when the girlfriend comes back into it and you've
Speaker 6: got the whole idea of, you know, trying to prove
Speaker 6: Rosie's innocence, and I'm like, okay, all of this. These
Speaker 6: subplots actually really work for this, and they wrap up.
Speaker 8: Everything is up and the reveal at the end of
Speaker 8: the film, the reveal, We're all in the car, we're
Speaker 8: singing about our freedom. Everything is fantastic. This white dead
Speaker 8: guy is off my head. I mean I turned to
Speaker 8: Tim and I feel that repeating this because it's you know, Yodoreowski.
Speaker 8: But this reveal is second to the reveal in The
Speaker 8: Holy Mountains.
Speaker 9: For me.
Speaker 8: It was just perfect. And I can't say enough about
Speaker 8: that reveal.
Speaker 6: Yeah I won't. I won't spoil it for people because
Speaker 6: they definitely need to see it with their own eyes,
Speaker 6: because yeah, it is a glorious thing.
Speaker 4: I really like Rosie Gru's performance. I love things about
Speaker 4: his character, like that he sees this as Okay, this
Speaker 4: will bide me time until they can prove my innocence,
Speaker 4: and then when it's revealed what they did, and he's like,
Speaker 4: I thought you were just gonna like take out some
Speaker 4: of my organs give him to some kid. I didn't
Speaker 4: know you're gonna do this. So even when he signed
Speaker 4: up for this, he's like, Okay, maybe whatever horrible thing
Speaker 4: they're gonna do might do some good for some poor kid.
Speaker 4: Didn't plan on this. Old white dude suddenly plumped onto
Speaker 4: his shoulder.
Speaker 6: This one really shows that whole control thing, because we
Speaker 6: don't get that as much in the incredible two headed Transplant,
Speaker 6: but you definitely do in this one with the whole
Speaker 6: left hand right hand. And then when like he you know,
Speaker 6: punches Ray Malan in the face and knock him out,
Speaker 6: and then Ray Malan eventually punches him in the face
Speaker 6: and knocks him out. One of the funniest shots for
Speaker 6: me is just Rosie Greer punched himself in the face
Speaker 6: and knocking himself out.
Speaker 4: For me, it's the shot right after where Rosy Grier
Speaker 4: is knocked out and Rosy Greedy actor is like trying
Speaker 4: to pretend that Ray Millan head is in charge and
Speaker 4: walking this way, so that heads upright. I thought that
Speaker 4: was really funny, and I gotta say it because he's
Speaker 4: like a childhood idol of mine. Rick Baker as the
Speaker 4: two headed Gorilla, I love all those scenes. It sounds silly,
Speaker 4: but having seen him in a bunch of movies in
Speaker 4: creature suits, I see his eyes in a suit and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, yeah, there's Rick Baker. You can tell.
Speaker 6: As soon as that two headed gorilla came on screen,
Speaker 6: I was like, I bet you anything that's Rick Baker.
Speaker 6: You know, Like we talked on the Island of Doctor
Speaker 6: Morrow episode about like the professional ape people and Rick
Speaker 6: Baker for a long time. Had he not made this
Speaker 6: massive career in special effects, I think he could have
Speaker 6: had a career just playing apes for the longest time.
Speaker 4: I actually have Metamorphosis books you got for me for
Speaker 4: Christmas years ago, and there's a great chapter on this
Speaker 4: movie where he's talking about how he signed on basically
Speaker 4: with a one gorill ahead like yeah, I have a suit,
Speaker 4: and then with the game the way he's like, shoot,
Speaker 4: I have to build a suit and a second head.
Speaker 4: But he did some really intelligent stuff in terms of
Speaker 4: making them interchangeable so he could pop out of one
Speaker 4: head and actually be in the other one. And Doug Beswick,
Speaker 4: who helped him out and did the arm extensions, actually
Speaker 4: was either puppeteering their head and in one scene he
Speaker 4: actually snuck behind him and put his face same way
Speaker 4: that Miland and Rosie Grier do it in the other head.
Speaker 4: So you can see that they're actual operators in both
Speaker 4: of them. And it's really good.
Speaker 6: That must have been the scene with the banana, because
Speaker 6: I was noticing during that when they're both eating bananas
Speaker 6: at the same time, I was like, that looks like
Speaker 6: two actual people in there.
Speaker 4: In the white shot, you can tell it's the puppet
Speaker 4: because the head's a little flat, but once it's the
Speaker 4: close up. Yeah. He also said they didn't have permits,
Speaker 4: so they would literally take him in a van at
Speaker 4: the end of this residential street, open the van, drive
Speaker 4: to the end, and have him just run at camera.
Speaker 4: And if people saw this two headed gorilla running around
Speaker 4: they were in the shot, that was it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's definitely a step up, the two headed gorilla
Speaker 6: versus the two headed monkey.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Did y'all get a chance to see Manster?
Speaker 4: We did watch manste Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what'd you think of that one?
Speaker 4: It's funny because at least for me when I was watching,
Speaker 4: and I kept thinking, you know, if he didn't have
Speaker 4: two heads, you'd never know, because there's nothing in the
Speaker 4: script that actually mentions two heads. It almost felt like
Speaker 4: it could have just been sort of a Jackal and
Speaker 4: Hyde sort of thing, or almost a Wolfman type story.
Speaker 8: That's what I thought. I thought this was a converted
Speaker 8: Wolfman's story. But I think you'd mentioned, wasn't the title.
Speaker 4: One of the alternate titles that was shot under it
Speaker 4: was something about the beast with two heads or something
Speaker 4: like that. So, I mean, until he splits, it doesn't
Speaker 4: really come into play very much.
Speaker 6: Though not really. No, I mean it is interesting because well,
Speaker 6: I know, you guys didn't have a chance to see
Speaker 6: how to get ahead in advertising, but that has pretty
Speaker 6: much the same idea of a head growing out of
Speaker 6: a person's shoulder. To your point, you don't get that
Speaker 6: nearly as much as you probably should in The Manster.
Speaker 6: You know, you'll see that better in like Army of Darkness.
Speaker 6: And I really think that the whole splitting of Ash
Speaker 6: into the evil Ash and the good Ash. I'm positive
Speaker 6: that Raymi must have seen this and said, let's do
Speaker 6: it like that because of the whole pulling apart aspect,
Speaker 6: and like that's really clever too, having them behind a
Speaker 6: tree as they're trying to pull themselves apart into basically
Speaker 6: the id and the super ego. Because really our main
Speaker 6: character in this movie again like Bruce Dern, not a
Speaker 6: good person, not a good person at all, just kind
Speaker 6: of jerked all the time.
Speaker 4: I get the implication that whatever this doctor injected into
Speaker 4: him kind of unleashes his primal side and kind of
Speaker 4: pushes him into jerk him a little bit more. But
Speaker 4: that specific shot of the eye on his shoulder is
Speaker 4: I definitely think Raymy saw that and was in fla.
Speaker 4: But it's funny because just this weekend we saw The Manitou,
Speaker 4: and that movie in terms of another thing coming out
Speaker 4: of somebody's shoulder that's this horrible malign influence, is kind
Speaker 4: of kind of runs parallel with this one.
Speaker 6: During my research, I found that there was also there
Speaker 6: was an Andy Milligan film that was released in nineteen
Speaker 6: seventy two, so right in the same sweet spot with
Speaker 6: our two previous movies. I know, Manster comes out well
Speaker 6: before that, but that one is a Jaqueline Hyde so
Speaker 6: they it's called The Man with Two heads, but it's
Speaker 6: because of a seer matein from the brain of a
Speaker 6: mass murderer transforms the good Doctor Jackyl of London into
Speaker 6: the evil mister Blood.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, man with two heads a film of Unspeakable.
Speaker 4: You say that you've experimented on animals.
Speaker 11: What does that prove?
Speaker 6: You haven't tried it out of a human.
Speaker 11: How do you know that a human won't react different?
Speaker 9: I don't.
Speaker 11: That's why I must have a human.
Speaker 10: To try it on.
Speaker 6: Maybe they could get rights for mister check for Doctor Jekyl,
Speaker 6: but not mister Hyde. I don't know what was going
Speaker 6: on there.
Speaker 4: Every time we saw the creature in this movie, I
Speaker 4: could think of, I don't remember this moduleck that masters
Speaker 4: the universe figure that had the multiple heads that kind
Speaker 4: of just pop onto the shoulders. Something about the way
Speaker 4: the heads are oriented here, That's all I could think of,
Speaker 4: because I used to have them as a kid and
Speaker 4: make all sorts of ghoulish sort of combinations of that guy.
Speaker 6: This movie really reminded me of another one that we
Speaker 6: did called Horrors of a Malformed Man, and this whole
Speaker 6: idea yeah yeah, right, yeah, especially the ex wife or
Speaker 6: the I guess she's still legally married to the crazy doctor,
Speaker 6: but her in the cage and that makeup on her
Speaker 6: face and it's really smart that this is all in
Speaker 6: black and white. That really helps with her makeup as
Speaker 6: well as the creature makeup later on. Yeah, just I
Speaker 6: was like, Oh, we're really getting into some some great
Speaker 6: you know, Eurogorro type of stuff here with the way
Speaker 6: that these creatures are portrayed. And I like, you know,
Speaker 6: to your point from earlier as far as like I
Speaker 6: didn't know that he was growing a second head. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because so much of it is focused on his hand
Speaker 6: and that kind of like creepy, you know, Frederick March
Speaker 6: turning into mister Hyde hand effect that they have.
Speaker 4: And some of the performances. I actually kind of liked
Speaker 4: tedsun Nakamura as our mad scientist in this one. Robert Suzuki,
Speaker 4: he's just like he's he's almost kind of genial about it,
Speaker 4: just like, oh, this is going to be interesting and exciting,
Speaker 4: and it's it doesn't really fit with the mad scientist thing,
Speaker 4: but at least it's doing something a little bit more
Speaker 4: than Bruce Dern did. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I liked this way more than I thought I would.
Speaker 6: I was really impressed by this one, and the copy
Speaker 6: that I saw looked horrible, but I know there is
Speaker 6: a blu ray out there, and I kept thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 6: I need to find the original Japanese version. There is
Speaker 6: no original Japanese version. This is big shot. It in English,
Speaker 6: and it's all American actor well not American actors, but
Speaker 6: American folks behind the scenes kind of thing. As far
Speaker 6: as the directors and writers, which was very surprising to me.
Speaker 6: I thought, oh, well, they took this Japanese movie, added
Speaker 6: in a white guy and then just repackage it like
Speaker 6: you know, Godzilla are some of those other earlier Japanese films.
Speaker 4: As the movie went on and I started to realize, like,
Speaker 4: especially what's his name, Jerry Youto who played the police superintendent.
Speaker 4: I really liked his performance, and realizing.
Speaker 6: Oh, he was great.
Speaker 4: Oh he's not dubb No, he's speaking in English, so
Speaker 4: this was actually shot this way. The one performance I
Speaker 4: thought was really out there was Jane Hilton as Linda,
Speaker 4: the wife. Every time she shows up, she seems vaguely
Speaker 4: psychotic when she's trying to talk to her husband.
Speaker 6: And again I don't know if it was a transfer
Speaker 6: or not, but she looked really sweaty. Yeah, a lot. Okay, good,
Speaker 6: I'm glad it wasn't just me.
Speaker 4: It didn't look like she was made up very well.
Speaker 4: She was not live very well.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 4: I do like a lot of the lighting has a
Speaker 4: very film noir quality to a lot of this. I
Speaker 4: also can help but wonder if the main character being
Speaker 4: named Larry was a little sell reference to Larry Talbot,
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of wolfman kind of qualities to
Speaker 4: this story too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when he's out and it almost looks like he's
Speaker 6: on the moors towards the end there, when he's running
Speaker 6: around away from the you know, the people again hunting
Speaker 6: him kind of thing, and he's just like struggling with
Speaker 6: himself and all then trying to get the pressure of
Speaker 6: the trying to break free of this other creature. I
Speaker 6: kept trying to think of other movies and TV shows
Speaker 6: where you get that split of like the good and
Speaker 6: the evil size of people, and the only one, Well,
Speaker 6: Ricky Mortar came up in my mind because I'm sure
Speaker 6: that that's happened. I'm pretty sure with like Jerry turning
Speaker 6: into a worm, and I can't remember the wife's name
Speaker 6: turning into like this massive creature and that was like
Speaker 6: her internal therapy and him being the worm was his therapy.
Speaker 6: But I just kept thinking of Star Trek and the
Speaker 6: way that the transporter split. I believe it was Kirk
Speaker 6: into good Kirk and and well evil Kirk and less
Speaker 6: evil Kirk.
Speaker 4: It doesn't probably count, but I was thinking that tales
Speaker 4: from the Crypt episode with Don Rickles' ventriloquist that has
Speaker 4: the you can Join twin that he found gets off
Speaker 4: of his arm.
Speaker 8: There's a Buffy the Vampire Slayer the Zeppo where Xander
Speaker 8: gets split into two.
Speaker 4: Yep, that's a good one too. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 4: there's another one, but I can't think of I can
Speaker 4: think of a lot of possession ones like Poltergeist too,
Speaker 4: where he gets the possessed tequila worm out and then
Speaker 4: it grows into his whole disgusting creature, which I think
Speaker 4: was a Giger design. It's a great looking monster in
Speaker 4: that scene.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure is, especially that close up of the face
Speaker 6: that's like molded to look like the old priest. Oh.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I would recommend that you definitely check out
Speaker 6: How to Get Ahead in Advertising. That was nineteen eighty
Speaker 6: nine and Bruce Robinson one with Richard Grant, and that
Speaker 6: was the first movie I ever saw in a foreign country,
Speaker 6: so it has a lot of meaning for me. I
Speaker 6: was on a I don't know what you would call it.
Speaker 6: I guess student exchange, even though I wasn't really a
Speaker 6: student back when I was in my teens and went
Speaker 6: to see that in London, and his first time I
Speaker 6: ever had a signed seating in a theater and first
Speaker 6: time I ever saw commercial before a movie. Wow, how
Speaker 6: unusual is That's so weird, so strange. Yeah, both the
Speaker 6: signed seatings and commercials before film, that's crazy. But it
Speaker 6: is so good and Richard Y Grant is just amazing.
Speaker 6: Bruce Robinson's given him some monologues that are just killer,
Speaker 6: all the chemicals and all the because he's the worst,
Speaker 6: like this advertising executive is just the absolute worst person
Speaker 6: that you can imagine. And so when the boil comes out,
Speaker 6: it's like, all right, what is the boil going to
Speaker 6: be versus this other guy, you know, because he's already
Speaker 6: the worst person in the world. And yeah, Richardy Grant
Speaker 6: speaking to his boil is fantastic stuff.
Speaker 4: The only other two edded one I was thinking of,
Speaker 4: and it kind of came up every time we'd see
Speaker 4: some of the dodgier effects of the fake heads thing
Speaker 4: is Zapod Beeblebrocks from the original Hitchhiker's Guide, where they
Speaker 4: come up with a conceit that his other head is
Speaker 4: usually asleep, so they don't actually have to puppeteer it
Speaker 4: most of the time in the show. But I've always
Speaker 4: kind of love that that, Well, what's going on, Go
Speaker 4: back to sleep, It's fine.
Speaker 6: It's been so long since I've seen that BBC version,
Speaker 6: as opposed to that just horrific movie version, which I
Speaker 6: still I wish that that had been better.
Speaker 4: Me too, I do love the BBC version though I
Speaker 4: grew up on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those are some of those weird effects too, where
Speaker 6: it's like the video in the studio film outside stuff,
Speaker 6: and that used to throw me a lot when I
Speaker 6: was watching the old Tom Baker Doctor Who, I'd be like,
Speaker 6: what before I knew what film stocks were or what
Speaker 6: video was, I'd just be like, something so off here.
Speaker 4: Or for me learning years later that the dish of
Speaker 4: the day is actually Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor who.
Speaker 6: I don't know that at all.
Speaker 8: It meet the meter talking about yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I recommend you eat my liver. It should be
Speaker 4: very tender by now. Yeah, under that horrific makeup is
Speaker 4: Peter Davison.
Speaker 8: We had the Sims is it?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's true. That actually did two tree House
Speaker 4: of Heart. Well, like one little reference at the end
Speaker 4: where Burns's head is stuck on Homer's body. I remember,
Speaker 4: and I was I believe one with Bart and Lisa
Speaker 4: ending up kind of with their heads together, but I
Speaker 4: can't remember. It's been so long since I've seen that one.
Speaker 6: Those are good to go back and rewatch because I'm
Speaker 6: trying to remember which one I just saw recently. I
Speaker 6: had to go back and check it out because I
Speaker 6: was like, oh, we were talking about the butterfly effect
Speaker 6: and I was pulling the Grandpa Simpson line about if
Speaker 6: you ever time travel, never kill anything, especially at bug.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was a Treehouse of Horror twenty four
Speaker 4: is the one that did the Bart Lisa conjoined one.
Speaker 6: I can really see. I mean the Homer mister Burns
Speaker 6: is almost rosy Greer, and Raymond it's perfect, or maybe
Speaker 6: even the Danny and cast.
Speaker 4: I'm almost surprised we haven't got a resurgence and somebody
Speaker 4: hasn't tried to do a goofy two headed transplant movie.
Speaker 4: Again just as an homage, it feels like it feels
Speaker 4: like we're doue oh yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, now with the effects that they are, I mean,
Speaker 6: that's got to be super easy. Well, probably not super easy,
Speaker 6: but the idea of having a thing on your shoulder
Speaker 6: to give you that like the shadows and everything correctly,
Speaker 6: and then being able to just map somebody's face onto that,
Speaker 6: you know, that, it seems like it'd be pretty simple.
Speaker 6: These days, we're.
Speaker 4: Having an actor in like a green screen suit that
Speaker 4: you can just wipe out the rest of the body
Speaker 4: and just have the head there, yeah.
Speaker 6: And just like have them shake around a lot while
Speaker 6: he's running.
Speaker 4: We were thinking during thing the two heads, that you know,
Speaker 4: you could do this as sort of a buddy cop
Speaker 4: movie or it's like a buddy at adventure movie where
Speaker 4: the two of them have to overcome their differences.
Speaker 6: Two heads are better than one.
Speaker 4: Yes, you could call it head to head.
Speaker 6: It could have been Michael J. Fox and James Woods
Speaker 6: all those years ago. Oh the hard way, the hard way, yes,
Speaker 6: make it even harder, but.
Speaker 8: That's the two headed snakes.
Speaker 4: See. That could have been like Beverly Hill's cup four.
Speaker 4: If they thought of it early, just have all three
Speaker 4: of them together, Taggart and Billy and Axle Foley.
Speaker 6: Body, because that really would be the sequel, like if
Speaker 6: they did the incredible three headed transplant. You know, Danny
Speaker 6: comes out of the wreckage brewster and is still around.
Speaker 4: The other thing I kept thinking of was the office
Speaker 4: where it was Michael Scott's Halloween costume with the fake
Speaker 4: head there. It kind of made me want to do that.
Speaker 6: Well, there you go, your next idea. All right, we're
Speaker 6: going to take another break and play a preview for
Speaker 6: next week's show. Right after these brief messages.
Speaker 7: It looked calmless enough, just a professional models album of poses. Yep,
Speaker 7: this was the glamorous pitfall where they look the most seductive.
Speaker 7: Courses of email, violent jealousy.
Speaker 6: Johnny, I like that good.
Speaker 9: I don't care what you like or what you don't like.
Speaker 7: Torments of unfaithfulness.
Speaker 2: I met a couple of months ago while I was
Speaker 2: on a case what about the kill?
Speaker 9: Somebody told him a lot of things about her and me?
Speaker 1: Are they true? Yes? Then I must hate.
Speaker 7: The raging theory of a guilty conscience.
Speaker 9: You've got to call the police.
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Speaker 6: That's right. We will be back next week with the
Speaker 6: first film of Noir November Pitfall. Until then, I want
Speaker 6: to thank my co host Tim and Agatha. So what
Speaker 6: is the latest with you two.
Speaker 4: I'll admit things have been a little slow recently. We've
Speaker 4: had a lot of kind of family issues to get through.
Speaker 4: But we're starting to gear back up into recording again.
Speaker 4: We have a few episodes we've recorded and they're working
Speaker 4: on editing and hopefully going to get into a more
Speaker 4: regular rhythm pretty soon.
Speaker 8: It's going to be a full podcast season for us
Speaker 8: next year. We're going to get back into our form,
Speaker 8: probably doing twenty episodes, so we're going to be backing
Speaker 8: out there.
Speaker 4: I am looking forward to though. For every November we
Speaker 4: do a Bond movie and we're going to be doing
Speaker 4: The Spy Who Loved Me And last time we actually
Speaker 4: found a James Bond movie that she liked. Yeah, so
Speaker 4: I'm thinking The Man with the Golden Gun turned out
Speaker 4: to be the winner, So I'm thinking she's going to
Speaker 4: like the next one too, because it's goofing a lot
Speaker 4: of fun.
Speaker 6: So it is very goofy. Yes, and Scarmango is pretty
Speaker 6: great though. The return of Clifton. James really left a
Speaker 6: lot for me to be desired, especially as racism.
Speaker 4: Don't get me started.
Speaker 6: And by the time this episode comes out, it will
Speaker 6: be right around Halloween, and I know you guys really
Speaker 6: like to celebrate, especially there in Salem.
Speaker 8: Yes, it's our anniversary as well, so we pretend the
Speaker 8: city celebrates for us every year. And everybody already seems
Speaker 8: to be in Salem, so the tourist crowds are heavy.
Speaker 4: Yep, We're going to go do our zombie walk pretty soon,
Speaker 4: where we're going to be zombified interesting zombifide costumes. This year,
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a zombifide Blockbuster employee because Blockbuster
Speaker 4: may be dead, but it still lives on.
Speaker 6: Get the Blue and the Khaki out and that great
Speaker 6: name tag.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I haven't warn them in like twenty five years.
Speaker 4: It feels really weird.
Speaker 8: Going to be a zombie tourist because that's how I
Speaker 8: exercise my anger.
Speaker 4: And it's also the scariest thing you can encounter in Salem.
Speaker 8: This tour is true going to go that one step further.
Speaker 4: One other thing I got to mention that's kind of amazing.
Speaker 4: Are one of our favorite theaters. Coolidge Corner in Boston
Speaker 4: is actually doing a whole sort of William Castle Gimmick
Speaker 4: retrospective and they're doing the gimmicks. They're doing House on
Speaker 4: Hunted Hill with a Mergo, which we're gonna go see.
Speaker 4: They're doing the Tingler in Percepto, which I have to
Speaker 4: get tickets for because I've always wanted to see exactly
Speaker 4: how that plays out.
Speaker 8: We got to mention the marathon subject. They do a
Speaker 8: horror movie marathon and it's twelve hours horror films. This
Speaker 8: year it's Mad Scientists, so we so we might end
Speaker 8: up seeing one of these movies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's a oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 6: Or sedate ness instead of madness. When it comes to
Speaker 6: Bruce Dirt.
Speaker 4: Think I'll stick this head on this body? Yeah maybe
Speaker 4: if it's maybe, if you put it another extra head
Speaker 4: on his wife, he would have been more interested in her.
Speaker 8: Then you could put Max's head on her body. Oh,
Speaker 8: could have had it all.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 1: You go.
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