WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:17.839 Hello, and welcome to Deep Blue Sea the Podcast. I 2 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:21.359 am Mark. I'm pretty sure Carter is happy that Scoggins 3 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:22.800 is dead halfmer. 4 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:25.600 And I am Jay keyboard throw in his face, CLU, 5 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:28.559 welcome you your board DPC the podcast. On this show, 6 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:30.960 we've been to the entire Deep Blue Sea trilogy, scene 7 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.679 by scene, and we're going again with allny wonderful guests. 8 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:36.600 And this is deep You see one, chapter twenty four. 9 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:38.960 What happens in Deep See one, chapter twenty four. Let's 10 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:44.520 have a listen. In the flooded wet lab, Carter and 11 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:51.119 Scoggin swim down. Carter throws an errant keyboard at Scoggins. 12 00:00:57.520 --> 00:00:59.159 They haul a large piece of equipment out of the 13 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:11.879 way of the access pat h Scoggins turns a couple 14 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:22.000 of levers and gives Carter a thumbs up. Carter applies 15 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.439 with the okay symbol, then points up to the ceiling 16 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:29.480 of the room for looking concerned at something behind Scoggins. 17 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:37.079 The shark appears and wipes Scoggins out, smashing him into 18 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:40.120 the sparking axis panel and destroying his body, leaving only 19 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:52.640 a pair of legs. While still kicking, Carter swims to 20 00:01:52.680 --> 00:02:04.719 a small air pocket and takes a breath. He dies 21 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.040 back down and heads for a doory, desperately setting the 22 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:25.360 handle as the shot nashes got to get the door 23 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:28.120 open and pulls out into the previously dry corridor, leaving 24 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:34.639 the shot behind him. That was deep see one, chapter 25 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:36.719 twenty four. Not a lot of dialogue in that chapter 26 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:38.599 has made me describing it as you will get more 27 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.439 of in the episode. We need a guest to help 28 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.240 us talk about it. Mark, who's joining us today? 29 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.199 Okay? So joining us an entertainment attorney, a novelist, a 30 00:02:46.199 --> 00:02:50.680 college professor, a journalist, a professional splunker, a documentary filmmaker, 31 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:54.319 and a fellow fellow Georgia Bays film critic. It's Jonathan Hickman. 32 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:55.800 Thank you for joining us. 33 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.639 Thanks, thanks, that's quite a mouthful. I appreciate you. You know, altogether, 34 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:05.400 what I do is one actual full time job if 35 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:07.960 you combine everything to together, you know. 36 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.759 And I threw in professional splunker in there because I 37 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:13.759 just it just felt right. And I feel like you've 38 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:15.840 at least explored a couple of caves in your life. 39 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:19.479 I have. I have, absolutely, Yeah. I try to stay 40 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.400 out of them as much as possible. I'll tell you 41 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:25.919 that movie The Rescue You Never Never want to go 42 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:27.039 into a Cave? 43 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.000 Was that the one that made into Thirteen Lives? 44 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:32.719 He did when he did Thirteen Live that the original 45 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:37.000 of the Rescue documentary was I think more more harrowing 46 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:40.800 than than the Ron Howard film. Although the Ron Howard 47 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:42.680 film was fine, it was fine, we. 48 00:03:45.280 --> 00:03:46.280 Stay out of the Descent. 49 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.240 Oh yeah, I was at Sundance when that one dropped. Man, 50 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.599 that was something. And it's too bad that director has 51 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.120 never made a great movie since. 52 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.199 He kicked it off with Dog Soldiers The Descent and 53 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:03.439 I was like, this guy, this is my favorite human ever. 54 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.719 And then he made dooms Day, and I like, I like, 55 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:09.840 I love Doomsday. But then I watch it, I'm like, 56 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.159 but then I like a week goes mon, I'm like, 57 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.479 I love Doomsday, and then I'll watch it again. I'll 58 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:18.360 be like, so I have a very odd relationship with. 59 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:23.240 It's a very derivative. Yeah, you know, post apocalyptic kind 60 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.519 of thing that uh, you know, probably did pretty well 61 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:30.639 in the video market at the time because of the 62 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:33.959 movie poster or the movie box as you you know 63 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.639 that that you know that that was all that they 64 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.759 needed to sell it. And is Vinnie is Vinnie Jones 65 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.959 in that one. Who's in that one? 66 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:45.519 I mean, it's it's the. 67 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:52.120 It's the cinema. 68 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:52.800 That's the only one. 69 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:58.079 Wo I know. And then what the main crawler from 70 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:02.199 the Descent is in it? Okay, and the kid Monarch 71 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:03.240 of the Glen. 72 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:07.839 As well, Glenn Malcolm McDowell. That's right, you know. 73 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.600 Oh my gosh, Yeah, Adrian Lesta and you were saying 74 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.240 that the that that movie Doomsday, you pick it up 75 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.240 because of the cover. This is really random, but I 76 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:21.759 feel like Predator Badlands is one of those movies like that. 77 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:24.680 You Jay hasn't seen it yet, but like, I feel 78 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:26.759 like it felt like one of those movies where you 79 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.439 would be a Blockbuster or the equivalent and see the 80 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.160 box and go I'm gonna watch that and then just 81 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:34.519 fall in love with it Predator. 82 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:37.519 I don't know if it works that way anymore, Yea, 83 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:41.000 but yeah, I mean I I felt like it. Obviously, 84 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:44.839 now you're just doom scrolling across whatever platform you're on, 85 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.399 and all the movie boxes are deceptive. Uh. You know, 86 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:51.439 back in back in the eighties when I worked in 87 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:55.240 a video store, the movie boxes really sold the movie 88 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:57.879 and there was no rules, you know, there was a 89 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:02.920 movie called Rotor, for example, which was a knockoff of 90 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:08.240 RoboCop okay, and so I thought, oh, this is going 91 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.639 to be great. And I was the assistant manager there, 92 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:12.519 so I got to watch every movie when it came in, 93 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:15.920 pop it in and it was awful, awful, awful, And 94 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.199 you know, people ask you, though, is this worth renting? 95 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:19.959 And you got to be honest with them, Well, I 96 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:21.759 don't know. I mean, it just depends on what you 97 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.560 really want that evening. You know, if you want schlock, 98 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:30.079 then probably it is. But you know, I think Predator 99 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:33.319 bad Lands is terrific. I mean I was so taken 100 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:37.800 with it. I gave it an eight, which is part 101 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:39.199 of it has to do with the fact that it 102 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.959 is a franchise extension unit that does the crossover, right. 103 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:48.000 I mean, we've had six Predator films, right, and you know, 104 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.920 we had two spin offs and they were awful because 105 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:56.040 those two things tried to meld Alien and Predator together 106 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:01.519 so ineffectively. It was just dim witted awfulness, and you. 107 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.160 Know, and it was very dim to look at the 108 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:04.480 lighting was it was. 109 00:07:04.519 --> 00:07:07.000 It was well, it was really little budget. Both those 110 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:10.639 films didn't have a budget. But what is it? What's 111 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.639 the new director that's directed Tractor Tracting? You know, he 112 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:19.920 got proper budgets for those, and the movies look great 113 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.639 and and the narratives actually are coherent, you know, so 114 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:25.839 I like that. You're right. 115 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:29.279 Guess what happens when you give Renny Harlan, Dan Trachtenberg 116 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:35.720 directors enough money Russell McKay, Yeah, like enough money to 117 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.120 make a creature feature and like, do it right? You 118 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:41.040 hired talented people, and guess what you get this? You 119 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:42.800 get deep Rising, you get Ben Wheat. 120 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:45.079 Oh I'm sorry, Ben whe Oh. 121 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.120 No, he had two hundred million for that one. Ye 122 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:53.759 oh yeah, you know prawl for twelve million, like give 123 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:56.240 him forty, Like, well, what do you do is forty? 124 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:01.519 He was the guy who did Predators at tal Oh. 125 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:01.839 Yeah. 126 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.879 Yeah. 127 00:08:05.079 --> 00:08:08.879 You know, the Predators isn't bad. I mean, the actual 128 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.199 six Predator films are not bad. There's not a real 129 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:16.199 bad film. Even though I saw Predators Predator too in 130 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:19.000 the theater in Macon, Georgia when I was in college there, 131 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:23.319 and I was underwhelmed, you know, But now that I 132 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:25.959 look back at it, I thought, well, it's actually not 133 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:27.120 a terrible movie. 134 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:32.279 You know what what sucks about it's very sweaty, sweaty 135 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.720 Glover's the best. That final fight is incredible and it 136 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:38.679 is good. It's like, but the problem is you come 137 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:43.120 after Alien Predator a new like just and you're not 138 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:45.759 a Jurassic Park and you're good but not as good. 139 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:49.080 People are like, yeah, it sucks. No, it's like it's 140 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:53.279 it's good, it's just not Predator, Like you can't you 141 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:55.519 can't do Predator again, Like you're not. We're not going 142 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:57.679 to match that. Like what they had there, they didn't 143 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:59.120 even know what they were making. They had a weird 144 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.720 alien suit. They went to a place with no foliage, 145 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.440 like that production was messed up, Like they all came 146 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.519 out of the jungle with a good movie. So it 147 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:09.120 like they're not going to recreate that. 148 00:09:09.799 --> 00:09:11.600 It's what we see with DVC when people said, oh, 149 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.360 you know it's no Jewels, Yes, sure of course it's not. 150 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:20.080 Well that's what is yeah, like what is Jaws? 151 00:09:21.279 --> 00:09:24.960 Jaws is not a movie about a shark, so. 152 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.600 Yeah, just yeah, people have said that though, like it's 153 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.879 no Jaws, Like yeah, but what is what is? What 154 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:30.279 is good? 155 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:30.399 As? 156 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:30.720 What is? 157 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:30.919 Like? 158 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:32.559 But I digress. 159 00:09:32.840 --> 00:09:35.840 So my wife and I were very fortunate. We went 160 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.279 to Chattanooga and stayed in the Chattanooga Chuo Choo Hotel 161 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:44.519 in one of their little uh cars there, which is 162 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.399 really nice. They've redone them. And then we went to 163 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:52.000 see Jaws at their their museum there. They have a 164 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:57.519 they have a big aquarium and they have like an 165 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.720 excellent old school Imax, you know Imax where it's really steep, 166 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.200 and they showed us I'm sure it's Limax, but they 167 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:09.039 showed us Jaws on their Imax screen and it was 168 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.879 just amazing. It was an amazing night. I had this 169 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:15.639 big steak, I got a couple of whiskeys, wind saw Jaws. 170 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.399 It was wonderful. But that's not a movie about a 171 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:25.519 shark about something. It does have a shark in the 172 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:26.519 shark's character. 173 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.919 This is a prison break movie with shark like it's 174 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.399 basically not shocking redemption or anything. Yeah, deep Blue c 175 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:36.039 but it's it's it's a it's a prison escape film 176 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:39.000 with sharks trying to get out. And I love that 177 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:42.120 and and also too, I want you to shut out. 178 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.639 I've known I've known Jonathan. I've known you since maybe 179 00:10:44.639 --> 00:10:47.879 twenty twenty one, twenty Yeah, you're one of my first 180 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.399 critic friends, I think when I started going to the 181 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:54.320 film so I appreciate that. And I wrote a blurb 182 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:56.120 for you for The Newman Newton Times. 183 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:01.240 Harold several quotes in the piece we did piece let 184 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.840 me find It. I had it pulled up about five 185 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:09.639 shark movies. That's right, you recommended five movies. Blue Water, 186 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:15.360 White Death, Jaws, Deep Bluesy of course, Mega Shark Versus 187 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:19.200 Giant Octopus, and the Shallows. Those were your top five, 188 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.200 at least a list. I don't know if they were 189 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:23.600 a top five, but they were a list. And we 190 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.759 were talking about Ben Wheatley's Meg two and the failure 191 00:11:27.799 --> 00:11:31.440 that it was. And we had a writer who had 192 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.279 written for I believe the Asylum. He wrote. His name 193 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:38.600 was h Perry Wharton and I can't I don't know 194 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.000 where he is. I only talked to him through Twitter 195 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.720 and he's not on X or Twitter anymore. But he 196 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.000 wrote Two Headed Shark Attack, and he wrote Shark Week, 197 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.960 and he wrote a couple other shark films. I believe 198 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.360 there are Asylum pictures, got it. 199 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:55.519 I wish I would have been. 200 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.200 Sharks and Sweden, Yeah, that. 201 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.159 Sharkson Sweden, Venice. Yeah, I made him a fake movie 202 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:07.279 with Dolph Lungren that has become real in my head. 203 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.039 But yeah, Sharks and Venice was Stephen Baldwin. That's one 204 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:11.360 about that. 205 00:12:11.639 --> 00:12:13.440 I don't know about Baldwin, but I think it would 206 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:16.120 be good to have Dolph in it. Did you see 207 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.559 Showdown at the Grand? Whatever at the Grand with Lungren? 208 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:25.840 And uh, who's the other actor? The guy from he 209 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:30.159 was the first Gosh. But anyway, it's a good showdown 210 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.159 at the Grand. I think it's called Oh. 211 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:33.080 Yeah, you told me about that? 212 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.840 I really good question. I mean it's really good. It's 213 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:40.120 not it's not awesome action, but it's really practical action effects. 214 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.720 And Dolph is great in that. He plays an action 215 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:47.679 hero who who is an actor? Of course? Who is 216 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.840 who's in these movies? And then the Grand is attacked 217 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:53.840 and they have to he has to spring into action 218 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:54.679 as an action hero. 219 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.080 Well, so it's a showdown at the Grand. 220 00:12:57.600 --> 00:13:04.080 I just have yeah, wait, Terrence Howard's yeah, it's he's 221 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.480 the star of it. And then and then Dolph is 222 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:06.879 his co. 223 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.200 Star long hair Dolph. 224 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.120 Oh yeah, he looks great in it. I mean it's 225 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:15.240 a really solid picture. I wouldn't call it awesome, but 226 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:16.200 it's solid. 227 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.240 I mean, on the context, it's probably a really awesome 228 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.519 direct to streaming film. I think there are Yeah, okay, 229 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.159 I like that. So John back in ninety nine, Yeah, like, 230 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:31.519 what's your history with d Blue Seat? 231 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.080 I saw it in the theater. Yeah, I saw in 232 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:38.360 the theater. Yeah, I was taken with it. I was 233 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.039 writing at that time for a website called iansiders dot com, 234 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:44.399 so I probably went to a press screening of it, 235 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:49.000 but I cannot remember exactly if I did. And Deep 236 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:53.960 Lucy was a was a surprise. It was a pleasant surprise. Uh. 237 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:59.399 Saffron Burroughs was a lovely five foot eleven inch star 238 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.840 who was great, and there was that amazing scene where 239 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:08.399 Samuel Jackson uh gets it and uh, you know, and 240 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.480 everyone liked Thomas Jane, so you know it was it 241 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.679 was a really solid cast. Michael Rapaport before people hated 242 00:14:15.720 --> 00:14:18.279 him and you. 243 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:19.799 Know he doesn't make it. 244 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:25.320 Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, Hello cool J. That's right, 245 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:26.559 not ice Cube, Hello cool J. 246 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.720 For a ninety nine cast to have like Saffron Burros 247 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.879 stellan Scars guard, Thomas Jane was like a Terrence Malick, 248 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.679 Paul Paul W. Paul Yeah, Pta, not Paul w you 249 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:40.960 could have been him, right, but Pta guy. 250 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:43.399 I mean it was Booie Knights. 251 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.559 Bringing an ll cool j. It's off of like Halloween 252 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.480 h two Woe and just he had a it's a 253 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.960 really interesting Jacqueline Mackenzie is an Australian actor, like just 254 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:58.720 bringing in Tony Soprano's sister. It was just a very Yeah, 255 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.200 it was an interesting once adult cast right like it 256 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:04.240 wasn't you know. I think at the time, there's a 257 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.840 lot of team stuff. You know, Dawson's Creek, She's all 258 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:09.960 that scream like. I think a lot of horror films 259 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.279 are really skewing towards the teen audience, and the teen 260 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:15.600 shows were blowing up, like Varsity Blue and ninety nine 261 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:18.279 had a big teen presence. But then there's this very 262 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:25.600 r rated just like Creature Feature by Rennie Harlan was 263 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.679 Samuel Jackson and it kind of I don't know. I 264 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:30.240 was working in a theater when it came out, and 265 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:32.159 it absolutely blew me away because it's just one of 266 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:35.200 my favorite movies. I just remember everyone cheering and clapping, 267 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.759 but I think everyone was cheering and clapping because there's 268 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:42.200 no expectations, like because Rennie Harlan wasn't hot, like he 269 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:44.360 was coming off of Long Kiss, good Night Rules, but 270 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:47.159 it didn't do too well. Cut Rhode Island kind of 271 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.279 helped bankrupt a studio and was considered to be an 272 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.399 all time flop. And so you have this Renny Harlan, 273 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.080 you have a giant Shark movie. They didn't go too 274 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:58.639 hard on the on the marketing of it from what 275 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.799 I remember, and I think people are just expecting something cheesy, 276 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.399 but then it's actually just really good and so I 277 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.080 love that. I don't know if you had that like 278 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:08.360 that feeling or like if that. 279 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:12.320 Hit you, well, you know, I was reviewed. I'd been 280 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:16.840 reviewing movies for about two years then, and our website 281 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:21.240 was pretty po popular. It is no more Ian Sider's. 282 00:16:21.799 --> 00:16:24.519 Eventually the domain was sold, but it was like mister 283 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:30.320 Showbiz or any of these upstart entertainment websites that were 284 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:34.399 news related that just couldn't figure out how to monetize 285 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.480 the content. And all of the eyeballs we were getting, 286 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.159 you know, it was really popular, and we would get 287 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.559 invites to screenings, we would go to festivals, do an 288 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.120 occasional junket, and I didn't do a junket for Deep Lucy. 289 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:53.559 I did later on at Sundance interview Saffron Burrows for 290 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.600 a movie she did with Robert Redford's daughter. It was 291 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:02.960 called The Guitar. It was a nice drama, very very 292 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:09.279 finely made, and Burrows is every bit of five eleven. Yeah. 293 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:11.599 I remember she told my producer, because I was on 294 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:13.440 a TV show. She goes, Oh, I just want to 295 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.960 take Jonathan and put him in my pocket and take 296 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:18.599 him with me. And I was like, oh geez, I 297 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.680 remember my producer would would say that every now and 298 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.160 then you realize you just need to be foldable and 299 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.400 somebody can put it, put you in their pocket and 300 00:17:26.440 --> 00:17:29.079 take you away with them. It's like, oh wow, well 301 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.519 that's that's a I think that's a compliment. 302 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.079 Give me a minute, let me figure that out. Just 303 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:35.519 yeah exactly. 304 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.359 I'm like, I'm like, what you know? So? But you know, 305 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:43.200 I think I think that the movie, uh is like 306 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:47.440 all shark movies. It taps into our fear of what's 307 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.720 down there, what's underneath us? You know. I guess the 308 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:54.880 continents float on the water. I don't know, but uh, 309 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.920 you know, the whole idea that you go out in 310 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:04.200 this recent movie Dangerous Animals. The whole idea of their animals, 311 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.480 they have instincts, and their instincts are to feed on 312 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.519 whatever is available, whether it's a man or something else. 313 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.440 And so you know, when you see any shark movie, 314 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:19.000 like a Deep Blue Sy, you instantly have that chill 315 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.359 up your spine. The unique thing about Deep Blue Cy 316 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:24.240 is that these are sharks that can swim backwards. These 317 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:27.440 are sharks that are smart. Conceivably they have been given 318 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:31.200 whatever it is that they're they're studying, and that adds 319 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:36.079 another layer of ferocity and fear. And I think that 320 00:18:36.240 --> 00:18:38.279 was a unique thing. I hadn't seen that before. Had 321 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.839 there been a movie that had made sharks smart. I 322 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.319 don't ever remember a shark swimming backwards. 323 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.880 No, that's definitely unique to this one making sharks smart. 324 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:53.200 I Revenge the Shark had a psychic link and set traps. 325 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:55.960 But it. 326 00:18:56.880 --> 00:18:58.119 To be forgotten. 327 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:03.799 Shark attacking the same year and had a similar scientists 328 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.720 experimenting on shocks to try and cure a different, different disease. 329 00:19:08.279 --> 00:19:10.599 And that was that was an asylum release. 330 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:12.400 I it was. 331 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.079 It was it was straight to straight to TV, but 332 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.640 it came out like a month before Deeps. It just 333 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:22.799 happened to just one of those things. They came out 334 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:24.200 at the same time. But I think in terms of 335 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.440 big streamen so this was the only one. The first ones. 336 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.279 Well, you know, Asylum, they had a habit of releasing 337 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:34.680 a picture, uh in advance of a similar picture, and 338 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:37.799 they ended up getting in trouble with their Hobbits film 339 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.480 and they had to they had to do so. I 340 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.960 don't even know if that was ever released, but they 341 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:47.039 got sued over that one. But you know, generally, their 342 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:49.759 shark movies stand on their own. I mean, as I 343 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:53.519 understand it, one of the Asylum shark movies really laid 344 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:59.640 the groundwork for what became Shark Nato and those other films. 345 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.839 Make sure it was because it was the trailer and 346 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.680 it got over a million views on AOL or Yahoo 347 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.599 before all. That was big and it had the shark 348 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.519 jumping out of the air and taking out the airplane 349 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.680 and that became just a massive thing. That was big, 350 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:17.759 and that that trailer blew up and got it like 351 00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:19.640 all the news covered it because it's like, oh, this 352 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.480 trailer you gotta watch on AOL or Yahoo and it 353 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:23.440 just exploded. 354 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:26.200 Just think if they had Sora or one of the 355 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:30.759 Ais to actually create a shark jumping out of the 356 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:34.599 water to get on to grab if they had had 357 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.119 proper effects back then. You know, I'm not an advocate 358 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:41.680 of the Ais taking out all of our gifted artisans. 359 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:44.839 But the one thing when I watched the clip of 360 00:20:44.880 --> 00:20:50.559 Deep Blue cy with Rapaport getting it, the one thing 361 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:53.359 I can say is that the effects do look a 362 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:54.880 little dated at this point. 363 00:20:55.480 --> 00:21:00.160 I'd say that's the CGI shots not great. Whenever there's 364 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:01.519 a lot of practical sharks in the film, and we 365 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:04.119 love gorgeous and we always highlight when there's practical practical 366 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:07.279 sharks because they look great still, but yeah, the CGI 367 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:10.279 is the one thing that, Yeah, it's the one negative 368 00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:11.279 we ever throw at the film. 369 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:13.839 There's a couple of things I've noticed about this chapter 370 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:15.480 that we I don't think we've ever talked about Jay 371 00:21:15.920 --> 00:21:18.079 they didn't have to move everything to turn those knobs. 372 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:19.440 Have we talked about that before? 373 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:20.640 We haven't. 374 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:22.839 We talked before about how Carter gets Scuggins down to 375 00:21:22.880 --> 00:21:23.799 help and then Carter kind. 376 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:24.440 Of does all of the work. 377 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:30.519 Yeah, exactly, which because because Scuggin's lesson, he's trying he's 378 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:35.240 he's pulling something underwater without like leavering his legs against anything, 379 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:38.880 so he is doing nothing. Just if you, if you 380 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.440 have like a deep pool and a heavy bit of equipment, 381 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:43.119 throw it in there, try and pull it. 382 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:45.480 Just try and just try and pull it. 383 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:46.680 Just it's not. 384 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:48.680 Gonna move, it's not gonna it's not gonna do anything. 385 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.799 Whereas Carter has got his back and his legs against 386 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:52.000 something else and he's pushing. 387 00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:55.039 So Carter's doing everything. But you're right, he doesn't need 388 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:55.400 to move it. 389 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:59.319 He can Scoggins can easily access those switches two knobs. 390 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:02.359 And also, you know what I love too, is like 391 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:06.440 the shark, the shark has two options to kill people, 392 00:22:06.519 --> 00:22:13.319 either Scoggins or Carter, and the shark chooses Scoggins because 393 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:16.920 it's the right idea. But I I kind of love 394 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:20.400 that the shark just plays Carter so hard in this 395 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.599 scene to open up that door, and it's done it 396 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.640 twice to him to get him to open doors, and 397 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:28.279 Carter never gets it. But I guess you wouldn't understand 398 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:30.519 that a super smart shark is hurting you to flood 399 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.880 a facility. But I love that the shark. 400 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:33.440 Just missing. 401 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:38.119