Speaker 1: As the recording of this podcast. TikTok is supposed to
Speaker 1: be banned this Sunday, the nineteenth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I have.
Speaker 1: A few thoughts about it, And I guess the first
Speaker 1: thing I'll say is I have a conspiracy theory, meaning
Speaker 1: I think, well, this is just a theory, no facts
Speaker 1: on this. But you know how the Supreme Court those
Speaker 1: are aren't those majority like Trump's people. Yeah, so they're
Speaker 1: gonna make it sound like they're gonna ban it, and
Speaker 1: then there's gonna be an extension, a delay, and then
Speaker 1: when Trump is officially in office, which that's happening in
Speaker 1: a few days, like he's gonna save it. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then TikTok is saved.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, well, did you hear about the
Speaker 2: CEO of TikTok's supposed to be inauguration. I just saw
Speaker 2: that today, which was interesting, and I know that he's
Speaker 2: been wanting it to be uh the band put on pause.
Speaker 1: But away from away from the conspiracy theorist, what's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on just the decision of even banning an app?
Speaker 2: Well, did you see that a lot of people are
Speaker 2: going to these other Chinese apps?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or China based ap red notes.
Speaker 2: Essentially prove a point of like, yo, these apps are
Speaker 2: owned by China too, Like what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: Band ease?
Speaker 1: I understand the sentiments, the thought process of oh, you
Speaker 1: know this, they're they're spying on our info. Any app,
Speaker 1: any smart hacker can probably make that happen with anything.
Speaker 3: So what do you think is the real reason then,
Speaker 3: or do you think that is their reasoning?
Speaker 1: That's the part that confuses me because you're gonna hurt
Speaker 1: a lot of businesses, a lot of youngsters that are
Speaker 1: becoming famous out of this from this app, and they're
Speaker 1: making their money this way. Like I said, small businesses.
Speaker 1: I've bought many things on TikTok. I've been on the
Speaker 1: TikTok shop. So it's gonna affect small businesses, people that
Speaker 1: were people that were influencers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's their job is to be on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Now, yes, there's other apps, but as we know, the
Speaker 1: world works when things are hot. When the iron is
Speaker 1: hot in TikTok is the hot thing right now, So
Speaker 1: will people recover and find something else more than likely.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying for right now, it's just the
Speaker 1: way I see it. I don't see a threat. And
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not in the government. I'm not in the
Speaker 1: you know, in uh. I was gonna say, like the.
Speaker 3: Not the Pentagon, but you're not in government.
Speaker 1: Just you know, it's just an entertaining app and it
Speaker 1: for me just feels like.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and if they when they have done something
Speaker 2: already by now, I mean TikTok's been around for a
Speaker 2: few years now, so I don't know, like it's already
Speaker 2: out there. There's oh, you know, millions of people on it.
Speaker 2: I don't really understand. Now, what is your gut feeling.
Speaker 2: Do you believe it's actually gonna go away on Sunday?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Really?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think he's gonna be delayed.
Speaker 2: Okay, it'll be delayed and then and then they'll eventually
Speaker 2: just be around still. Or do you think do you
Speaker 2: think someone will buy it because they're pretty adamant about
Speaker 2: not selling, or do you feel like there's just this
Speaker 2: who's gonna budge first? And you know there's almost like
Speaker 2: this this game is being played between both sides, like
Speaker 2: are you gonna buy?
Speaker 3: Are you gonna well, I.
Speaker 1: Be surprised if he gets band. No, I just don't
Speaker 1: think it will because this is just my how I
Speaker 1: see things. It's not that serious.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, TikTok is a learning tool for me. How
Speaker 1: many recipes I've learned on there. I've been learning how
Speaker 1: to play golf from TikTok videos, So i'd yeah, it suck.
Speaker 1: It would suck if it disappeared. I use it as
Speaker 1: entertainment and a learning tool. So I just I don't
Speaker 1: understand just why that app I know it's you know,
Speaker 1: the owner of it, Chinese government, but it's been around.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like what you just said, like they
Speaker 1: would have gotten. And also the information I have on
Speaker 1: there is nothing that there's nothing super personal on there.
Speaker 1: I mean we always say too like let's say, let's
Speaker 1: just say something happens and I'm not thinking of anything major.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of something minor, and they go like, see,
Speaker 1: well then you deal with it at that moment. You've
Speaker 1: been having TikTok for years.
Speaker 3: And nothing crazy has happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, So I don't think it's going to disappear.
Speaker 1: That's how Wait real quick, how about you?
Speaker 2: I don't think it is either I think something's gonna
Speaker 2: either like delay it or they'll put a stop. But
Speaker 2: come this Sunday when it's supposed to allegedly go black
Speaker 2: in the United States. I don't think so, but I
Speaker 2: guess we'll find out in a few days.
Speaker 3: This could give me for our podcast What Up on Jizzo?
Speaker 3: That is John Magic and we are back now.
Speaker 1: The title it's happy twenty years to Young Jizzo's radio career.
Speaker 1: But I would be remiss if I didn't mention because
Speaker 1: it does kind of have to go along with this podcast.
Speaker 1: The recording of this podcast is on Eliah's birthday. And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make this long winded story long at all.
Speaker 1: Just keep it short. My first week in radio ever.
Speaker 1: Just imagine a young twenty something year old on Power
Speaker 1: one oh six in la first week, never been on
Speaker 1: the radio ever, and your boss calls you and says,
Speaker 1: Leah passed away and.
Speaker 3: Like you have to make the announcement.
Speaker 1: Wow. I was so confused, Like how do I do
Speaker 1: this without?
Speaker 3: I don't think you ever told me that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I had to announce it.
Speaker 3: Do you remember what shift it was?
Speaker 1: It was the weekend shift. It was in the afternoon.
Speaker 1: It was like during the mix, and I remember my
Speaker 1: bosses like get some alias songs ready, put it into
Speaker 1: the Scott's system.
Speaker 3: We had the Scott touch screen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, obviously this was twenty plus years ago,
Speaker 1: and I was the one that had to say it
Speaker 1: on the radio. And to this day, I have friends
Speaker 1: on Alia's either Alia's birthday or Aliyah's death anniversary, they'll
Speaker 1: like text me and say, hey, I was listening to
Speaker 1: you that day. I have friends that still text me
Speaker 1: and remember that moment that I had to announce it.
Speaker 3: Do you remember what you said or how you said
Speaker 3: it or no.
Speaker 1: I just I remember just staying calm. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to make it this big speech because I didn't know
Speaker 1: how to present it. I've never been on the radio.
Speaker 3: Before, and you got to present something like that.
Speaker 1: It's pretty serious, yes, So I just remember just keeping
Speaker 1: it short and then letting them like playing her music.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And then the calls just came in and
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to handle that. I wish
Speaker 1: I knew what I knew now, and I would have
Speaker 1: made it a better presentation. Probably over the radio air
Speaker 1: some calls calls, but I was so new to radio.
Speaker 1: But just imagine a rookie you getting called like, hey,
Speaker 1: you have to announce this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough. I mean, I mean I've done it
Speaker 2: numerous times over the years. When someone passes away, you
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, mention it on the radio. But
Speaker 2: I mean at that time, though, like your first, I
Speaker 2: would have been kind of nervous too.
Speaker 3: How do I say this?
Speaker 2: I don't want to come off like I don't care.
Speaker 2: I don't want to, you know, say something that sounds
Speaker 2: out of pocket.
Speaker 1: Everything that you just said is what was going through
Speaker 1: my But I bring that up my first weekend radio
Speaker 1: because we got to congratulate you and give you your
Speaker 1: flowers for making it to twenty years in the radio business.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, this month marks my twenty And it's crazy because
Speaker 2: when I tell people that, they're like, damn, so, how
Speaker 2: old are you? But I'll say this, I've basically been
Speaker 2: in radio since right after high school, so that's why
Speaker 2: it seems crazy. And people still say that I still
Speaker 2: look young, so I'll take it. But yeah, man, twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're gonna have to remind me the
Speaker 1: beginnings of it, because I don't even remember making you
Speaker 1: my intern.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't remember these things, and I'm sure you these
Speaker 1: are like core memories for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got the the internship over the radio because
Speaker 2: back when we set have interns and I think every semester.
Speaker 2: It was an announcement for the fall in the spring
Speaker 2: that the radio station was looking for interns, and so
Speaker 2: I had applied. My dad had actually told me about it.
Speaker 2: He had heard it on the radio. And I was
Speaker 2: a full time student in college but I didn't have
Speaker 2: a job, so I thought this could be cool radio.
Speaker 2: By the way, radio was nothing that I ever thought
Speaker 2: I would be in, especially you know, I'm the introvert.
Speaker 2: I was the quiet kid. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: I like hip hop and music, and I thought it
Speaker 2: could be fun to be an on air person like that.
Speaker 2: And I just remember I applied for it and I
Speaker 2: went to my interview. You were actually sitting in the interview,
Speaker 2: do you remember, I don't.
Speaker 1: I know we've brought this story up before, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, So it was the PD at the time,
Speaker 2: you and then the afternoon guy at the time, and
Speaker 2: I just remember getting interviewed, and of course we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before, but we're just not good interviewers new
Speaker 2: or is it interviewees interviewers okay or.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm not good when someone's interviewing me.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I know we've did a whole podcast about this, but
Speaker 2: I was probably quiet. My answers were probably just like
Speaker 2: one and done, and then I just left. And I
Speaker 2: remember I got the call from the PD at the
Speaker 2: time and he even said, like, your interview was horrible,
Speaker 2: like you didn't say anything, but I just I just
Speaker 2: see something in you.
Speaker 1: Who knows if that was real. I was about to say, no,
Speaker 1: that could be there's some truth in that, because there's
Speaker 1: a piece of me that trying to remember. I think
Speaker 1: we wanted to just hire everyone, Yeah, but at that
Speaker 1: time I think no, I think g wanted was selective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because obviously the more, the more, the more you get,
Speaker 2: the more help you get. Right, So it could have
Speaker 2: just been one of those situations where maybe he really
Speaker 2: did see something in me, because obviously twenty years later,
Speaker 2: I'm still here. So I remember getting that call back
Speaker 2: and coming here to do my internship. And where where
Speaker 2: did you start? Like what was your my first things?
Speaker 2: My first thing was to learn the board. That was
Speaker 2: the first thing that you learned?
Speaker 1: Was it through me? Because usually I remember I was
Speaker 1: the one teaching a lot of the interns.
Speaker 2: Uh No, it was actually because the way my schedule was,
Speaker 2: I had like that noontime open, so I learned during
Speaker 2: the noon mix. So at the time there was a
Speaker 2: mix during noon. And Josh Butters shouts to Josh Butters,
Speaker 2: he was an intern, he used to work here as
Speaker 2: a good friend of mine. He showed me the board
Speaker 2: because he was running the board.
Speaker 1: Ye.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you don't know what the board is,
Speaker 2: it's like all the switches on the board.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you look when the classic you look in at.
Speaker 2: Your radio station, you see the board. Yeah, so you
Speaker 2: have to learn that first. So I learned that, and
Speaker 2: I was a super quick learner. Just that's kind of
Speaker 2: my personality. And I remember you you were doing the
Speaker 2: night show at the time, and you just needed an
Speaker 2: extra board op for whatever reason, maybe because who you
Speaker 2: had at the time it was just they would they would,
Speaker 2: their schedule was maybe hit or miss, and you kind
Speaker 2: of needed someone who had learned the boards already to
Speaker 2: do your nine o'clock mix at night.
Speaker 1: Up because so I would during my show, I would
Speaker 1: be doing the show on my own, meaning running the board.
Speaker 1: But at nine o'clock, I would mix, and at this
Speaker 1: time we mixed live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can't really mix and run the board
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's not impossible, but it's just so
Speaker 1: much better when you have someone running the board while
Speaker 1: you're mixing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if somebody told you that I
Speaker 2: was good or give me a shot or something, I
Speaker 2: do remember this.
Speaker 1: So at that time I was trying to create something
Speaker 1: on my show where if some interns are gonna be here,
Speaker 1: like I want them to be part of my show.
Speaker 1: And it's something that I was kind of used to
Speaker 1: being doing a radio in LA I remember just seeing
Speaker 1: I like the energy of a lot of people in there, so.
Speaker 3: I know, sounds like a party.
Speaker 1: I know I wanted to put together a team, but
Speaker 1: I didn't say that to anyone, but in my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to find some interns. And I
Speaker 1: was very selective because I wanted to pick people that
Speaker 1: kind of fit the night show. So if you were
Speaker 1: like someone just calm and you know, not energetic, I
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't pick you. And also it had to fit
Speaker 1: the time slot, meaning like were you available at that time,
Speaker 1: So that's sort of like how I was kind of
Speaker 1: looking for interns. But the one big thing that why
Speaker 1: I remember wanting you as part of my show is
Speaker 1: because of your fashion. Like I had the look. Can
Speaker 1: you describe because it's almost an inside joke with the
Speaker 1: homies of how you used to dress.
Speaker 2: Well, let me just say this was during the era
Speaker 2: at that time. Yeah, so it was like the big
Speaker 2: white tees. It was like the baggy clothes. It was
Speaker 2: the you know, the fitted hats, fitted it has the
Speaker 2: baggy clothes. I had that. I had that whole get up,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I even had the airbrush
Speaker 2: shirt like everything. I had, that whole get up. It
Speaker 2: was during that time. And in my head, like as
Speaker 2: you say, you're like, oh, he kind of fits that fit,
Speaker 2: like you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Hip it's a hip hop station. Yeah. So and then
Speaker 1: I think that, I mean, obviously there you might have
Speaker 1: to like kind of fill me in on some highlights
Speaker 1: on that. But I do remember you knew how to
Speaker 1: run my show. Yeah, yeah, you knew how to run
Speaker 1: the board to the point. So it's so weird how
Speaker 1: how we do radio today.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a lot different.
Speaker 1: It's because you could record a show, you could do
Speaker 1: a show remotely from somewhere else, and that's I do
Speaker 1: it from home, that's and that's okay, yeah yeah. But
Speaker 1: so you have to remember twenty years ago, this technology
Speaker 1: didn't exist.
Speaker 2: You had to be super hands on, super active, pay
Speaker 2: attention like everything had to run like manually essentially, and
Speaker 2: so you had to be on top of things.
Speaker 1: And at this time I was super busy as a
Speaker 1: touring DJ. I was DJing man, I was djaying Thursday
Speaker 1: through Sunday.
Speaker 3: Was this during the hot important nights.
Speaker 1: Everything hot important nights clubs with Joe. My off days
Speaker 1: would just be Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then Thursday through Sunday.
Speaker 3: I would be out of town exactly.
Speaker 1: Trap flying out of airports and during this time, you
Speaker 1: know rpds. Actually, it's just the way our business was.
Speaker 1: You couldn't just leave. You had to ask for vacation
Speaker 1: time and so forth.
Speaker 2: You couldn't just record and dip. You technically could at
Speaker 2: the time, but it just what they didn't want you to.
Speaker 1: Well. Also, if you recorded, like you said, you needed
Speaker 1: someone there though, to make sure it all ran right,
Speaker 1: all ran correctly, Because we didn't have the technology of
Speaker 1: the timing and all that stuff. Yeah, it does it automatically.
Speaker 1: So as the months went on of me understanding, like, man,
Speaker 1: Jesse understands my show. Yeah, I would just record on
Speaker 1: the vox Pro radio. People will know what the vox
Speaker 1: Pro is, but it's just a machine where you could
Speaker 1: record your talk breaks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you see the waves in there, yep.
Speaker 1: And then you would need a board ope you to
Speaker 1: play it back and make it sound like I was there,
Speaker 1: and I would sneak out. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, I can't believe you did that. And what made
Speaker 2: it even crazier is you did it when even like
Speaker 2: I wasn't even supposed to be here because it was
Speaker 2: during summertime and they didn't have interns in summer. But
Speaker 2: I remember it used to hit me and you'd be like, yo,
Speaker 2: you want to run my show while I leave? So
Speaker 2: you're not supposed to be leaving and I'm not even
Speaker 2: supposed to be here.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that? I mean, it's not illegal, but
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the words of like a work envin,
Speaker 1: I was doing some illegal ship like.
Speaker 3: I'm out that could have got you in trouble.
Speaker 1: And isn't there a story where we almost got caught
Speaker 1: like a the PD called.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but I do remember you saying like,
Speaker 2: if anybody calls, Yeah, we had like we had like
Speaker 2: I stepped out or something. And then I think I
Speaker 2: just said a like the PD called and then you
Speaker 2: may have called him and it was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: just stepped out for something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't remember it was, That's what it was.
Speaker 1: I was halfway to lay and then I was like, oh, hey,
Speaker 1: Gizo said that you called. And then he said something
Speaker 1: and I think I was like, oh, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 1: down the street. I'm on my way back, but I
Speaker 1: was already near La.
Speaker 3: I mean that.
Speaker 2: I mean at the time, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: you really had to put a lot of trust in
Speaker 2: me to make sure that your show did ran good,
Speaker 2: because that could have been a disaster over air. Not
Speaker 2: to mention it would have got back to the PD.
Speaker 2: You would have gotten in trouble. I probably would have
Speaker 2: gotten not allowed in this building anymore. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I was scared.
Speaker 1: So I do have to say I never I never
Speaker 1: got caught, never got in trouble. Yeah, no one ever knew.
Speaker 1: And usually the times I needed you is when I
Speaker 1: would have a gig in La. So hence me having
Speaker 1: So my show at the time was seven to midnight. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's if you guys are wondering, like, why don't
Speaker 1: you just do your show and then leave? No, Like
Speaker 1: I needed to be four hours away for a gig
Speaker 1: and I can't leave at seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically you were.
Speaker 2: You were at your gig in La or whatever at
Speaker 2: the club and your show was still going on. Like
Speaker 2: that's how crazy it was.
Speaker 1: But the cool thing was, you know when you're when
Speaker 1: you're driving and it's before Bakersfield and my show's playing,
Speaker 1: I could see, I could listen to it, and you
Speaker 1: always ran my show like it sounded like I was there.
Speaker 2: And this was even before iHeart radio, so you had
Speaker 2: to like listen on the in your car. But that
Speaker 2: was fun times. Of course, you know, at that time,
Speaker 2: you're young and hungry, not that I'm not anymore, but
Speaker 2: at that time you're willing to do whatever. Like I
Speaker 2: wasn't even paid or anything.
Speaker 1: It's rare to find people like that because I was.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I was like that. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to like put the lot on me, but it's
Speaker 1: just a comparison to your work ethic. Is how I
Speaker 1: was when I was an intern at KGGI nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: but that's even before that. But yet that's a good point.
Speaker 1: But bobbysoto dot com was my first mentor DJ where
Speaker 1: I would have to pick up his lunch, you know,
Speaker 1: grab my laundry or you know at the dry cleaners.
Speaker 1: I did all that and in my head, I didn't
Speaker 1: care that I wasn't getting paid. Yeah, those are like
Speaker 1: rare people to find, and sometimes those are the stories
Speaker 1: of the people that became successful. Are people that do that.
Speaker 1: And to bring up the point that you said, when
Speaker 1: I was working at Power we had the big at
Speaker 1: the time, the biggest festivals show before it was called festivals,
Speaker 1: but it was when all the artists would performance called
Speaker 1: the Powerhouse the radio yeah, the radio stations concert. I
Speaker 1: had like twenty artists performed on twenty of the biggest artists.
Speaker 1: It was called Powerhouse. I was at Power Want six
Speaker 1: for two years total. I did not go to one Powerhouse.
Speaker 1: Why it's because at the time, same thing there was
Speaker 1: no recording. I had to be in the studio on
Speaker 1: the show. I had to be the show. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I would be the ones saying power one of six,
Speaker 1: let's check in.
Speaker 3: Live from everyone's at the concert.
Speaker 1: Everyone's on the concert. But again did I I to
Speaker 1: me that was so much fun?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you were down to do it.
Speaker 1: I didn't care that I was in at the concert.
Speaker 1: I was on the radio.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember even during like holidays, you know, I would
Speaker 2: be down to coming here Thanksgiving. I've been up in here,
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, even probably coming up in here
Speaker 2: just because I wanted to be in here just to
Speaker 2: get my hands on everything.
Speaker 1: So after that, I think, I mean, you could shorten
Speaker 1: this story because I think there's an episode about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But after that, how did you get to the next level? Next?
Speaker 1: Like I guess the next level would be on air
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then eventually, you know, you I was part of
Speaker 2: on air with your show because it was John Magic
Speaker 2: and the flav Units. So you had built that that
Speaker 2: team that you were talking about, and so I was
Speaker 2: sort of like a sidekick or weed joke like background
Speaker 2: noise for you basically. And then eventually, I mean, just
Speaker 2: to fast forward a little bit, but you know, eventually
Speaker 2: got hired to do weekends, because you always get hired
Speaker 2: as like a part timer first and then you just
Speaker 2: do like Friday, Saturday, Sundays and you do like three
Speaker 2: hour shifts or whatever in the mix with like the
Speaker 2: other DJs. And that's sort of like how I got
Speaker 2: put on. But I think what also helped me is
Speaker 2: or what sort of like made a name for myself
Speaker 2: was like the high school stuff, because the high school
Speaker 2: Halla's was something that we did huge, which is something
Speaker 2: that you did big. Or we would go out to
Speaker 2: the high schools during like their lunchtime, all the schools
Speaker 2: around here, and you know, kind of like throw a
Speaker 2: party on campus during the lunchtime, playing music, do contests.
Speaker 2: And I would go out there with you because I
Speaker 2: was trying to do anything and everything. I would show
Speaker 2: up to events on air wherever you needed me. But
Speaker 2: that I wanted was something that was really fun to do.
Speaker 2: And I remember you would just give me the mic
Speaker 2: and you kind of sort of throw me in the fire,
Speaker 2: like go the host.
Speaker 1: The funny thing about you just saying me giving you
Speaker 1: the mic it had nothing to do with like, oh,
Speaker 1: I believe Jisell can do it.
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I just I already know you're asked, so then of
Speaker 2: course it forces me to learn.
Speaker 1: But but you fit the you fit the high school
Speaker 1: Holloup scene, and you did well on the mic, which
Speaker 1: I think I was I remember being impressed with. So
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, now, now you done did it, because
Speaker 1: I don't now I'm not I'm never gonna talk on
Speaker 1: the mic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then that just became like the thing to
Speaker 2: do these high schools, and we were traveling all over
Speaker 2: and I was sort of like making a name for
Speaker 2: myself for these high schoolers. And then obviously as they
Speaker 2: became older adults and became listeners, so that was really big.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it just started off with me
Speaker 2: just doing the weekends and then of course like doing
Speaker 2: as much as I can going to the high schools
Speaker 2: or wherever I was needed, because even at that point,
Speaker 2: you're still hungry to like have your own show or
Speaker 2: to do more on their ships. You want to feell
Speaker 2: in more, you know, Like mixed weekends were always fun
Speaker 2: because I know I was gonna get a lot of hours,
Speaker 2: you know, if it's like Memorial Weekend, we do those
Speaker 2: three day weekends of mixing, and then you know the
Speaker 2: full timers are off or every time a full timer
Speaker 2: was off or on vacation, then that's when I would
Speaker 2: step in, and that's really when I really got to
Speaker 2: get my hands on like doing a show, because I
Speaker 2: think I would feel in for you a lot, So
Speaker 2: now I could legitly feel in for you.
Speaker 1: I'm omitting myself on this next question, just because you
Speaker 1: were part of my show, I was kind of training you.
Speaker 1: Did you have any other DJ's on her personalities that
Speaker 1: you looked up to or that mentored.
Speaker 3: You, that mentored me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like like while I was here or this whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: or I'm omitting myself because I was there throughout the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yeah, yeah, So was there someone else.
Speaker 2: It was actually helping me? Not so much, I think.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was just like the
Speaker 2: conversations we had. I mean, you have your air checks
Speaker 2: with your pds, which, if you don't know what that is,
Speaker 2: basically you record your show or you record your talk breaks,
Speaker 2: and then you meet with the pds and they go
Speaker 2: over your talk breaks and how you can better them.
Speaker 2: And so I did learn some things. I would say.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite pds that I've had was probably
Speaker 2: Tony Banks rest in PC actually passed away a few
Speaker 2: years back, but he was somebody that had taught me
Speaker 2: a lot on air wise, I don't know, I didn't
Speaker 2: really go to too many people. I started doing my own,
Speaker 2: meaning like I would like to listen to a lot
Speaker 2: of and when I would go to other cities, I
Speaker 2: would like to listen to a lot of other radio
Speaker 2: sessions and their jocks. So if I was out in
Speaker 2: La listening to Power one, O six, listening to Big
Speaker 2: Boy or Pelly Fell or whoever the case was at
Speaker 2: the time, or you know, going up to the Bay
Speaker 2: Area and listening to like, you know, Big Vaughn and
Speaker 2: those guys that came Yale. So I did a lot
Speaker 2: of my own, and to this day, I still do that,
Speaker 2: even like listening to podcasts, I feel like you can
Speaker 2: get stuff out of that. But as far as like
Speaker 2: the real hands on it was just a lot of
Speaker 2: you coming up and then over time, just you know,
Speaker 2: just learning on my own.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite during the early years, what was
Speaker 1: probably your favorite perk? Because you know, radio people get
Speaker 1: a lot of perks, yea, And during that time, we
Speaker 1: were getting a lot of perks just in the sense
Speaker 1: of artists came almost every week, we had famous people
Speaker 1: in here. But you being a new radio guy during
Speaker 1: the first few months first year. Yeah, what were like
Speaker 1: some of the perks that you're like, we get to
Speaker 1: do this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was probably going to the concerts.
Speaker 2: Going to the concerts, being backstage, even though you know
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be working, but that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And you just don't know, like when people say, like, oh,
Speaker 2: like it was like at concerts, it's a mess backstage
Speaker 2: almost like nine times out of ten concerts or just
Speaker 2: they're just a mess, like dealing with artists, dealing with
Speaker 2: people back there, dealing with security, dealing with promoters. It's
Speaker 2: always a lot going on backstage, and so to see
Speaker 2: that side of it was just crazy. But it was
Speaker 2: always fun because you know, I'm somebody that's you know,
Speaker 2: I deal with a lot of anxiety and being around
Speaker 2: a lot of people is not my comfort zone.
Speaker 3: So being able to go to clubs.
Speaker 2: And concerts and not have to be around the crowd
Speaker 2: of people was something that I always appreciated because you know,
Speaker 2: once we go to clubs, we get to go like
Speaker 2: either in the DJ booth or in a VIP section
Speaker 2: or on stage, you like that. So I always liked
Speaker 2: that aspect and I always wonder to myself. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would ever be a club goer if
Speaker 2: I was never in radio, honestly, because just being down
Speaker 2: there with like the people is just something that I
Speaker 2: just I can't vibe with. I don't really like to
Speaker 2: be part of the party. I sort of like to
Speaker 2: help throw the party.
Speaker 1: All right. How about twenty years in radio, You've met
Speaker 1: You've interviewed a bunch of celebrities. Yeah, was there one
Speaker 1: or you could even name a couple that you were starstruck, Like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm about to meet this person.
Speaker 3: Buster ROMs was pretty big.
Speaker 2: I know, we had like a really good interview that
Speaker 2: we had did with him during that time. That was
Speaker 2: like a pretty starstruck moment for me. You know, at
Speaker 2: the time he wasn't big, but you know, looking back
Speaker 2: at it, Kendrick Lamour is pretty dope. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: got to be one of the biggest in the game.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, growing up, I listened to like a lot
Speaker 2: of underground music more than the radio. Oddly enough, so
Speaker 2: meeting people like Tech nine and Twista was like kind
Speaker 2: of big for me because that's like who I listened
Speaker 2: to growing up. But yeah, man, I mean, we've got
Speaker 2: to meet some cool people if.
Speaker 1: You think about it, I mean from Pitt Bull, like
Speaker 1: the big artists that that they're in their older stage
Speaker 1: right now yet, but they're still huge artists. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: game we've met practically all of.
Speaker 3: Them, Yeah, a lot of them. Yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how about how about a story. Do you
Speaker 1: have any stories where an unexpected like this happened because
Speaker 1: of radio? It could be like a crazy you know,
Speaker 1: it could be any Is there any crazy.
Speaker 2: Stories like because of what happened in radio?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess to this day is still surprises me and
Speaker 2: I don't know why when people like will recognize me
Speaker 2: in the in the streets or they'll say my name
Speaker 2: and I'm like, wait, what, like where'd that come from?
Speaker 2: And you just you get surprised that. I don't know,
Speaker 2: because I don't look at this as like like a
Speaker 2: celebrity or something like that.
Speaker 1: No. We that's that's something that a lot of radio
Speaker 1: personalities we don't consider, maybe the big time ones.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, yeah, all these.
Speaker 1: You know, twenty five years for me, twenty years for
Speaker 1: you saying I've like recently somebody called me a celebrity.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, yeah, yah, yeah, exactly. Shut.
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not even on the radio anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that.
Speaker 2: To this day that still surprises me about how many
Speaker 2: people still like recognize me from like you know, all
Speaker 2: ages and all. And I'm just like, oh, all right,
Speaker 2: who like people know me out here.
Speaker 1: But it is humbling and we appreciate it. It does
Speaker 1: make us feel good. We could play the role of
Speaker 1: like no, no, but no, it makes us feel good.
Speaker 1: This story I always bring up every time we bring
Speaker 1: up this subject is this was years ago, maybe ten
Speaker 1: over ten plus years ago, where I don't know how
Speaker 1: to snowboard, but my ex at the time was trying
Speaker 1: to convince me to learn. So we went to China
Speaker 1: Peak locally here in the Fresno area. So I did
Speaker 1: not want to I wanted to learn the right way,
Speaker 1: meaning start me off in the bunny slopes. And it
Speaker 1: was just a bunch of kids, a bunch of kids
Speaker 1: doing amazing skiing snowboarding, and there's me falling on my
Speaker 1: ass over and over again. And my ex at the time,
Speaker 1: she was pretty good at it and you know, helping
Speaker 1: me out. I keep falling and out of nowhere. You
Speaker 1: just hear people like hey John, yeah on the Bunny slopes.
Speaker 2: It always sucks when you get recognizer. People kind of
Speaker 2: call you out when you're maybe like you know, maybe
Speaker 2: not dressed the best or you're not having like your
Speaker 2: best day or whatever, and you're like, oh damn, I
Speaker 2: was kind of hoping no one would see me, but
Speaker 2: it's always appreciated.
Speaker 1: Have you gotten this? So this happened years ago for
Speaker 1: me where I was doing a show and someone asked
Speaker 1: for my autograph and they tattooed it.
Speaker 3: Oh really Yeah, No, I've never had anybody I've done.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm nobody.
Speaker 3: Damn. I haven't got to that level yet.
Speaker 2: Not mad at that, yeah man, No, But I mean
Speaker 2: I've had, like, you know, my own shirts that I've
Speaker 2: given out, and people you know, to this day will
Speaker 2: show me that they still have like a shirt that
Speaker 2: I had, or a bracelet or even like a flyer,
Speaker 2: which is always like cool that people still and you know,
Speaker 2: in posting that this was my twentieth on social media,
Speaker 2: I had like a lot of people like, hey, I
Speaker 2: remember this, or when you came that time, or when
Speaker 2: you came to my school or so it's dope that
Speaker 2: you know, I've made an impression on some people, and
Speaker 2: you know that's that's a really satisfying part of the job.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this was one of your highlights
Speaker 1: on your list, but I'll bring it up because I
Speaker 1: feel like it's a big thing for us radio people.
Speaker 1: I got to experience it a few times when I
Speaker 1: was on KGGI. But you got to do your show
Speaker 1: that it's kind of reversed because I think I board
Speaker 1: OpEd for show. Yeah, you got to do your show
Speaker 1: live at Disneyland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was cool to do broadcasted from
Speaker 2: Disneyland a few years back, during like their Halloween time.
Speaker 2: That was a lot of fun. I was at a DCA.
Speaker 1: I remember specifically, like so being so happy for you because,
Speaker 1: like I said, I got to experience it, and usually
Speaker 1: it's the morning show that gets to experience it. So
Speaker 1: when it got to you, I was like happy to
Speaker 1: board op it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool.
Speaker 1: It made the I tried to make the shows sound
Speaker 1: good from people listening here. Yeah, but I just remember
Speaker 1: being like super happy for you to get to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun. I mean they put you up
Speaker 3: at the Grand California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they treat you like so you got to.
Speaker 2: Like stay there, which was fun. And then you know,
Speaker 2: you hop the parks and you get to cut the
Speaker 2: line and stuff like that. And then obviously broadcasts, which damn,
Speaker 2: I don't think we've done a broadcast at Tizeyland in
Speaker 2: a long time. But yeah, man, I mean doing all
Speaker 2: these things as definitely been a perk. You know, going
Speaker 2: to these businesses and helping them out, and you know,
Speaker 2: going to these high schools and throwing a party or
Speaker 2: my birthdays at the clubs were always a fun time
Speaker 2: to see people come out and support me. Those were
Speaker 2: always good times. But yeah, man, so.
Speaker 1: Let's bring it all around. So the beginning of us
Speaker 1: talking about not being able to record, the stress of
Speaker 1: like having to sneak out. Yeah, can you like just
Speaker 1: you know, ENLiGHT listeners of how radio is now because
Speaker 1: you're like doing multiple shows across the country. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you're able to record. Yeah, and yeah, can you kind
Speaker 1: of speak on how radio is now?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So from just being like an intern and doing everything
Speaker 2: live and just being the little weakend person, now you know,
Speaker 2: I'm on different stations across the country, and obviously, like
Speaker 2: you said, I could do that remotely now. And I also,
Speaker 2: do you know I'm also like a voice person. I
Speaker 2: guess you would say, so I voice over talent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm also voiceover talent, so I voice things for like
Speaker 2: our iHeartRadio app and other radio stations. So it's definitely
Speaker 2: been It's been a lot, but I wouldn't take any
Speaker 2: of it back. I mean all the people that I've
Speaker 2: gotten to meet, all the celebrities I got in the
Speaker 2: meets and like the perks you were talking about, and
Speaker 2: all those fun events that we got to do. It
Speaker 2: it's been a lot of fun, and it's it's definitely
Speaker 2: transitioned a lot from the beginning, you know, technology and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but I made a lot of friends
Speaker 2: through the way, and I can't believe to this day,
Speaker 2: twenty years we're still hanging in there.
Speaker 3: Magic.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess i'll wrap it up with this is
Speaker 1: where do you see radio as a future? Like, where
Speaker 1: do you see the future radio? Because it's such a
Speaker 1: different world. We were just talking about TikTok and people
Speaker 1: can stream things easily, but yet you know, there is
Speaker 1: data that shows that majority of people still listen to
Speaker 1: the radio. So where do you see the future.
Speaker 3: Radio, I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just going to go more
Speaker 2: and more digital. But I mean it's still in people's cars,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And people are still listening
Speaker 2: when they're driving. It's everywhere now, and with the iHeart
Speaker 2: Radio app, like we're digital. You can listen on your phone,
Speaker 2: you can listen on your tablet, you can listen on
Speaker 2: your TV. You could listen is an iHeart Radio. You
Speaker 2: can listen on your Alexa device. So like, the company
Speaker 2: is definitely making all the right moves and putting iHeartRadio everywhere,
Speaker 2: and it's only getting more and more, bigger and better.
Speaker 2: They've just updated the app. So I do see radio
Speaker 2: sticking around forever, you know. I mean, it's it's got
Speaker 2: its place here still.
Speaker 3: And the terrestrial radio part of it too.
Speaker 2: I think it's still going to stick around because, like
Speaker 2: I said before, if if aliens are attacking and they're
Speaker 2: knocking off all our systems, radio is still going to
Speaker 2: be that one media that we can get in contact
Speaker 2: with the people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad that we get to kind of, you know,
Speaker 1: branch out of other than you know, terrestrial radio is
Speaker 1: what we kind of grew up on. And this was
Speaker 1: our career. Yeah, but we get to do this podcast and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's something in the last few years that
Speaker 2: we've added to our plate is doing this podcast. So
Speaker 2: now you can listen to us on the app through
Speaker 2: that way. Obviously, social media is a big part of
Speaker 2: what we have to do, so making videos. Oh, this
Speaker 2: was like another thing that I just wanted to mention
Speaker 2: something cool is the big billboard that we got to
Speaker 2: be on.
Speaker 3: Uh that was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a goal that everyone wants that has their in
Speaker 1: their lives to be on a billboard.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So we were on this like really big billboard that
Speaker 2: was on the fashion fair mall or mall out here.
Speaker 1: You and I are the one, I think you and
Speaker 1: I drove down there and yeah, videos and pictures of them,
Speaker 1: we saw them putting it up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember when they were putting it up and I
Speaker 2: was just like, wow, this is cool, Like look mom,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean one of those type of moments
Speaker 2: and just like when people would see it and they'd
Speaker 2: be like, I saw your billboard. And then obviously you
Speaker 2: know there's been times who're been on like commercials and
Speaker 2: stuff like that in newspapers and so it's been cool
Speaker 2: to see that aspect of it, but yeah, man, what a.
Speaker 1: What a ride, and congratulations reaching your twentieth super huge milestone,
Speaker 1: continued success. You know I'm you already know I'm a
Speaker 1: firm believer of work ethic and I saw it in
Speaker 1: you when I first met you, and it just kind
Speaker 1: of shows where you're at now and the things that
Speaker 1: you're accomplishing. It's not even a surprise. So congratulations on
Speaker 1: twenty years bro.
Speaker 3: Until next time, this could give me five podcast