1
00:00:02,439 --> 00:00:04,919
Speaker 1: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome back to our podcast.

2
00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:08,679
It is the former WBO Junior Middleweight world champ, Tim Zoo. Tim,

3
00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,759
Welcome to the show. I'll tell our folks what you've

4
00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,240
got coming up. You're gonna be taking on the American

5
00:00:13,359 --> 00:00:17,559
Joey Spencer in Sydney, Australia. It'll be Saturday night, April fifth,

6
00:00:17,679 --> 00:00:19,800
and the fight will be on prime video here in America.

7
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,559
It will be Sunday afternoon on pay per view in Australia.

8
00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,719
Get that out of the way. I get all confused

9
00:00:25,719 --> 00:00:28,640
with the time zone change between here and Australia, but anyway,

10
00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,120
thank you for doing this. Welcome to the show.

11
00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,600
Speaker 2: Have you been yeah, going, everything's gone good.

12
00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. Well, we're gonna get into this.

13
00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,799
It's a little bit of a different scenario than when

14
00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,200
you had your last fight back in October. This will

15
00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,719
be your first fight since you had the IBF world

16
00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:48,640
title challenge against their junior middleweight title holder Baker Matazalev.

17
00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,280
That was October. You came to the United States again,

18
00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,640
fought that fight in Orlando, Florida, and look, we all

19
00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,920
know it was a big shocker. You were a heavy favorite.

20
00:00:57,159 --> 00:00:59,399
He knocked you out. He dropped you four times, three

21
00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,439
times in around to another time in round four, got

22
00:01:02,439 --> 00:01:05,359
the stoppage. Now that it's been a few months and

23
00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,719
this will be your first fight since then, have you

24
00:01:07,799 --> 00:01:10,040
what have you like spent time sort of if you

25
00:01:10,079 --> 00:01:13,239
have even reflecting on what happened, what went wrong, how

26
00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,439
that all became such a mess that night.

27
00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I went into early and

28
00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,319
go caught with the first shot.

29
00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:24,640
Speaker 2: It was the first one.

30
00:01:24,439 --> 00:01:26,560
Speaker 3: To land it, and I felt like I never really

31
00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,640
recovered from from there. I remember at that time with

32
00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,040
the first bunch, my I could have filled my ladies,

33
00:01:33,079 --> 00:01:35,920
and it was it was an uphill battle.

34
00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,760
Speaker 2: It was more like in my head, I was like

35
00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:41,760
I needed to just keep.

36
00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:44,959
Speaker 3: Getting up, and I'm Meloria and I'm just gonna stay

37
00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,079
up and try to get up no matter what. So

38
00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:50,040
it wasn't more about like winning the fight anymore after

39
00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,040
that first knockdown.

40
00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,760
Speaker 2: It was more about just trying to survive.

41
00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,640
Speaker 1: I guess, well, listen, one thing, it's one thing to

42
00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,799
get stopped in a fight. But I think anybody that

43
00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:01,879
saw that saw like you said a warrior, because you

44
00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:03,959
you got up, you know three times and we're getting

45
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,799
up the fourth time, and uh, that showed a lot

46
00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:08,759
of heart. But I wonder when that occurs and you

47
00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,479
then go back and analyze what happened afterwards, was any

48
00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,719
part of it in your mind that maybe I underestimated

49
00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,319
him a little bit because you weren't the heavy favorite.

50
00:02:15,319 --> 00:02:17,520
You were coming off of the loss of Fandora, But

51
00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,560
there was some special circumstances with that one, given the

52
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,599
cut that you suffered and the close nature. Even with

53
00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:27,240
the cut, still a split decision, Did you underestimate Bachram

54
00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:27,520
at all?

55
00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say a certain extent. Yet I'd say, uh,

56
00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,199
I thought I was gonna take him out in in

57
00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,159
under two rounds.

58
00:02:37,159 --> 00:02:38,960
Speaker 3: In my head, I was I was feeling like on

59
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,719
top of the world, and I felt like, yeah, I

60
00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:42,919
was just gonna cleave him out.

61
00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:45,919
Speaker 1: I wonder why you would think that because his background

62
00:02:46,039 --> 00:02:51,360
was strong, good power, good record, comes off a very

63
00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,360
good performance in his title victory against a reputable opponent,

64
00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:56,840
maybe not an a class fighter in cul K, but

65
00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:00,400
still a pretty solid veteran. So I wonder what made

66
00:03:00,479 --> 00:03:02,680
you think It's one thing to believe in yourself that

67
00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:04,400
you're going to win, and maybe get a knock at

68
00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:06,800
but two rounds, That's that's kind of bold.

69
00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,159
Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, how the way I felt before coming

70
00:03:11,199 --> 00:03:14,919
in and how I had my prep and how everything

71
00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:15,439
was going.

72
00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,360
Speaker 2: I was in this crazy state of mind that.

73
00:03:19,879 --> 00:03:22,520
Speaker 3: Everything that I was going to touch was just going

74
00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:25,240
to explode, you know.

75
00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:28,560
Speaker 1: So how did you process the loss? How did you

76
00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:30,560
deal with it? Particularly because I mentioned it was your

77
00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:31,400
second loss.

78
00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:31,520
Speaker 2: In a row.

79
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just took it with how it was. Boxing

80
00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,400
is a game of interest, man, it really is, you.

81
00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,080
Speaker 2: Know, and.

82
00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,039
Speaker 3: That fight it was That fight was a cost of inches,

83
00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:49,759
it wasn't.

84
00:03:51,199 --> 00:03:51,960
Speaker 2: That's all it was.

85
00:03:52,159 --> 00:03:56,360
Speaker 3: And for me, it's just about regrouping, analyzing, and uh,

86
00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,080
just becoming better from it.

87
00:03:59,039 --> 00:04:00,439
Speaker 1: Have you put it out of your mind? Are you

88
00:04:00,479 --> 00:04:03,039
over it? Or is it help you get motivated for

89
00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,039
what you have in the future. I always wonder when

90
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,400
a fighter comes off of a loss like that, do

91
00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:11,599
they forget about it? Do they want to think about it?

92
00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:13,479
And I asked you that because I go back a

93
00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,639
long way with with Vladimir Klitschko. Vladimir Klitchkow became a

94
00:04:17,639 --> 00:04:21,120
great heavyweight champion, set records, became a Hall of Famer,

95
00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,040
but obviously had some very high profile knockout losses. And

96
00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:26,519
the one thing he told me a long time ago

97
00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,839
is when he got knocked up by Layman Brewster, he

98
00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,800
never wanted to forget it. He had pictures of it

99
00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:35,639
up in his office. He had thought about it, you know,

100
00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:37,879
watched it back when he would prepare for fights. He

101
00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,399
wasn't studying his opponenty, he was watching back, you know,

102
00:04:40,519 --> 00:04:43,160
his loss to Layman Brewster, because he never wanted to

103
00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,240
forget about how it made him feel. And I always

104
00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,360
wonder the mentality of a fighter coming off of that

105
00:04:48,439 --> 00:04:50,680
kind of loss and where you stand. Are you trying

106
00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:52,600
to just put Bachram out of your mind or do

107
00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,439
you want to have it kind of stinging hurt so

108
00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:55,120
it motivates you.

109
00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,959
Speaker 3: No, it's a motivation for me just because I still

110
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:01,240
say I still feel it and it's something that I

111
00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,360
don't want to feel ever again. And uh, it was made.

112
00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:10,839
Mistakes were made, just by inches, and those inches.

113
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,399
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shove it over again.

114
00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:16,600
Speaker 1: A lot of fighters, they take a loss, they blame

115
00:05:17,319 --> 00:05:19,800
the trainer or the promoter or the manager, you know,

116
00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,279
a bad breakfast, whatever the case. Maybe other guys they

117
00:05:22,319 --> 00:05:24,759
suck it up and they put it on themselves and

118
00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,199
they take the responsibility. Where do you come down in that?

119
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,439
Are you making changes to your team? Are you just

120
00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,720
taking like a man like you know, we're going to

121
00:05:31,759 --> 00:05:33,959
get through this and you know, keep the status quo.

122
00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,360
What was your perspective now as you prepare for Spencer.

123
00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was all my fault, you know.

124
00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,160
Speaker 3: I came in swinging like a meadow, you know, and

125
00:05:41,639 --> 00:05:46,560
and I came in and I guarantee if the if

126
00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:51,360
the fire, if the file was fought most strategically from

127
00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,040
round four onwards, it would have been a different story.

128
00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:59,800
Speaker 2: And that's the part that I regret. But there's no

129
00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:05,399
point regarding things because it's not the fall. It's always

130
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,079
how you get up after you four.

131
00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:10,120
Speaker 1: I agree with that. So okay, Now you're back home

132
00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,199
in Australia after the two fights in a row in

133
00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:15,480
the United States, it's you feel good to be home.

134
00:06:15,519 --> 00:06:17,800
I mean, you got obviously a huge support there with

135
00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:20,920
the fans. They love you. Does that more comforting to

136
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,160
be there than back here in the United States? For me?

137
00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:24,560
It was.

138
00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,000
Speaker 3: For me it didn't really matter. I'm glad to be home.

139
00:06:29,079 --> 00:06:32,160
It's a good feeling. He especially to be fighting front

140
00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,920
of the fans. Era makes it a big day, a

141
00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,240
big occasion. So it's always it's always good because you're

142
00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,680
doing part of the reason you're doing this is for the.

143
00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,040
Speaker 2: Love of the fans and the love of the sports. Yeah.

144
00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,839
Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about Joey Spencer. He's

145
00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,160
nineteen and one, he has eleven knockouts, a little bit

146
00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:48,920
younger than he was only twenty five years old. He

147
00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,879
has won three fights in a row since his loss

148
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,079
by a knockout the Hazers Ramos. This is back in

149
00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:57,399
twenty twenty three. Some people viewed him as a prospect.

150
00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,839
Some didn't really view him as a big prospect. Uh,

151
00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,839
based on the type of guys you've been fighting, and understandably,

152
00:07:03,879 --> 00:07:05,839
given the circumstances, it seems like a little bit of

153
00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,519
a step back in terms of the level of your opposition.

154
00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,399
Totally understandable, Like I said, but what is your assessment

155
00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,680
of Spencer and your own, uh, your own career and

156
00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,560
maybe taking as a little bit of a step back

157
00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,639
from the caliber over the opposition that you have been fighting.

158
00:07:20,959 --> 00:07:23,279
Speaker 3: I think he's a I think he's a real good player.

159
00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:26,439
In all honesty, I think he's got good skills entirety

160
00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:32,160
losses against Brummost that's like, that's a he's a he's

161
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,519
one of the top dogs in the division.

162
00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:39,079
Speaker 2: You know, it's it's an interesting fought, it's an interesting style.

163
00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:39,519
You know.

164
00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:42,639
Speaker 3: They always that type of sty the ones that are

165
00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,639
slick that a movie. They always present a tremendous task,

166
00:07:46,759 --> 00:07:48,160
So it would be interesting.

167
00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:51,600
Speaker 1: Now. I know you're coming off of as we talked

168
00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:53,720
about the stoppage loss, and I think back. You know,

169
00:07:53,759 --> 00:07:56,079
I'm old enough to remember going back to nineteen ninety

170
00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,959
seven when your father, Kasazu, who at the time was

171
00:07:58,959 --> 00:08:01,680
the IBF Junior wealth Weight World Champion, he took a

172
00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:05,560
tenth round knockout laws and a massive upset against Vince Phillips.

173
00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:08,560
And I wonder if you've ever thought about the fact

174
00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,360
that after your father lost his fights as a huge

175
00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:15,519
favor and lost a belt, that he went on after

176
00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:17,319
that to have the biggest wins of his career. It

177
00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,519
was really what he did after that lost to Vince

178
00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,759
Phillips that made him a legend, that made him a

179
00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,279
Hall of Famer. He became the undisputed champion, scored the

180
00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:28,199
biggest wins of his career, and that maybe you look

181
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,000
at what he did and say, you know what, Okay,

182
00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:32,519
I took a couple of losses. My best days are ahead.

183
00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,159
I can do what my dad did, and I can,

184
00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:37,519
you know, go on and fulfill my dreams of being undisputed,

185
00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:38,960
of being a Hall of Famer, that type of thing.

186
00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:39,799
Do you ever think about that?

187
00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure?

188
00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:41,679
Speaker 1: For sure.

189
00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,200
Speaker 3: And the road to success it's never just a straight road.

190
00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,799
People always mistake that. You know, there's bumps and roads

191
00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:50,879
on the on the way, especially in this sport. You know,

192
00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,240
it happens. It happens. It's it's how you mentally deal

193
00:08:57,279 --> 00:09:00,679
with it. And I say examples, this is my father,

194
00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,120
someone who's supposed to me to say what he's done,

195
00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,000
and see how he came back.

196
00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,759
Speaker 2: You know that that's an inspiration for me.

197
00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:10,159
Speaker 1: Has he given you any kind of pep talk and

198
00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,159
reminded you of that himself, of what he went through.

199
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,799
Speaker 2: I haven't already spoke to him about it.

200
00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:19,519
Speaker 1: Okay, fair point. Well, on March twelfth, you were back

201
00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,799
ringside doing a good job, by the way on the commentary,

202
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,120
because I watched it when Keith Thurman was in Sydney

203
00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,279
for his main event against your Australian countryman Brock Jarvis.

204
00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,039
He came back after a three year layoff. Thurman. He

205
00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,039
scored a knockout against Jarvis in the third round. And

206
00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:38,200
anybody who follows boxing knows that the talking point has

207
00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,000
been if Keith Thurman goes to Australia and takes care

208
00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,399
of Brock Jarvis and Tim Zook comes back and does

209
00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,320
the same thing in the upcoming fight against Joey Spencer,

210
00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,840
that there's going to be a fight between you guys,

211
00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,000
probably this summertime. And I wonder what your thoughts are

212
00:09:52,039 --> 00:09:55,399
about how Thurman looked and just your perspective on you know,

213
00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:56,799
if you take care of what you got in front

214
00:09:56,799 --> 00:09:58,720
of you, that that would be still, you know, a

215
00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:00,480
pretty big fight. I mean maybe not level of the

216
00:10:00,519 --> 00:10:03,200
world title when it was originally scheduled before he got

217
00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:04,799
injured and had to pull out and obviously ended up

218
00:10:04,799 --> 00:10:07,120
fighting Fandora as the replacement. But give me your just

219
00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,200
your assessment of what you thought of Keith and your

220
00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,320
interest in having that big fight.

221
00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's there's definitely some unfinished business right there.

222
00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,919
I think he looked slightly old, really, yeah, I think

223
00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:27,600
he looked slightly old. I was there bringside, so I

224
00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:29,679
was able to see how he was breathing and stuff

225
00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,759
like that. He was a gitting shock after the first

226
00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,240
round and then he sort of adapted. But he did

227
00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:42,279
fight brock Jervis, who's again not a level final. So

228
00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,679
but look, of course it's interests me. But I'm I'm

229
00:10:45,759 --> 00:10:47,759
saying focused this one final at the time.

230
00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:49,639
Speaker 1: You know, do you give him any slack for being

231
00:10:49,639 --> 00:10:52,039
out of the ring three years with major injuries and

232
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,440
he had one back happened.

233
00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:57,720
Speaker 2: It happens, man, it happens. He's changed as well. He

234
00:10:57,799 --> 00:11:00,399
had kids in honeymoons and stuff.

235
00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,360
Speaker 1: That's true, I mean, but he seemed to really get

236
00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:06,320
to get the fans in Australia very excited because Keith

237
00:11:06,399 --> 00:11:08,679
is a great promoter and talker, and it seems like

238
00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,080
if he does match up with you, that just from

239
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,120
the promotional point of view and frankly from the action

240
00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,799
that that you guys would put together in the ring.

241
00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,480
To me anyway, it seems like a really exciting fight,

242
00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:22,360
a fight that can propel the winner into something very big,

243
00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,799
even bigger than the fight against each other. Is do

244
00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,399
you do you think about it like that at all? Again?

245
00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,600
I know you gotta fight for sure.

246
00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,080
Speaker 2: For sure is a big name.

247
00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,440
Speaker 3: He brings a big calup of farts, so you know

248
00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:37,080
when you find him, and and a victoria of us

249
00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:43,480
a guy such such as it, uh brings positivity into

250
00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:44,720
the into the division.

251
00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,559
Speaker 1: You guys fighting a really good division because besides yourself

252
00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,120
and and Thurman, who both have great names. Uh. And

253
00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:52,080
then there's lots of other fighters who are who are

254
00:11:52,159 --> 00:11:55,159
quality Fandora. Uh you know who you've shared the ring with.

255
00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,279
He just won a title defense and and uh, I

256
00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:01,120
would think that at some point in your career, at

257
00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,759
wherever it takes you, that you'd like to have a

258
00:12:02,759 --> 00:12:05,279
rematch and get that back maybe someday, maybe a rematch

259
00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:07,919
against bakerm at some point who still has his title.

260
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,039
Uh do you? And then there's also you mentioned before

261
00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,000
about ha Haesus Ramos who's got the victory against Joey Spencer,

262
00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,039
who fought on Fundors undercard, scored a good knockout victory.

263
00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,120
Talented fighter as well, good contender. What do you think

264
00:12:21,159 --> 00:12:22,960
about the makeup of the division. And you can certainly

265
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,000
fit yourself into any of those fights if you continue

266
00:12:25,039 --> 00:12:25,799
to do what you gotta do.

267
00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You know the division still right home.

268
00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,279
Speaker 3: And even though I took a backward step in the

269
00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,519
last one, I intend to get back to the back

270
00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:37,799
to the drawing board and be bastill with the with

271
00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:38,320
the big.

272
00:12:38,159 --> 00:12:40,720
Speaker 2: Bulls then and revenge more losses.

273
00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,159
Speaker 1: Is the measuring stick on how you perform with Spencer,

274
00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,519
that that you need to do what Ramos did, which

275
00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:48,759
is stop him, because there's only loss was the stoppage

276
00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:52,000
against Ramos? Is that is that the intention to out

277
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,720
there and get rid of him the way that Ramos

278
00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,039
did and maybe even do it even better.

279
00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,000
Speaker 3: No, on this one, man, this one, I'll just want

280
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:01,279
to be getting there and and and feel myself. Man,

281
00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,879
I just want to be the teams that I'm always

282
00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,759
that I've always been and and and they take calculated,

283
00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,639
calculated risks.

284
00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,360
Speaker 1: So not not the reckless tim Zoo. Maybe that came

285
00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,960
in the room against Buckram exactly lesson lesson learned, I guess.

286
00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,600
Speaker 2: Of course, of course the hard way.

287
00:13:19,639 --> 00:13:21,200
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that is the hard way. Well, you know,

288
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,639
you've got a good sense of humor about it, and

289
00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:24,480
it feels like you have a good demeanor about it.

290
00:13:24,519 --> 00:13:26,440
So I appreciate that A lot of guys don't like

291
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,639
to answer those questions and talk about what happened in

292
00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,759
such a rough one, but I appreciate that. I wish

293
00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:32,279
you the best of luck against Joey Spencer.

294
00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,000
Speaker 2: Tam, thank you so much.

295
00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,440
Speaker 1: You bet good luck. Do you