Speaker 1: Karen. Yes, we've been doing this show for quite a
Speaker 1: while now, and we've had lots and lots of conversations
Speaker 1: about metaphysics, spirituality, spiritual awakenings, paranormal all kinds of things. Right,
Speaker 1: But have you ever stopped and thought to yourself if
Speaker 1: all these conversations really were legit.
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time.
Speaker 1: Do you do? Oh my god, I'm so glad I'm
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Speaker 1: Right there, Karen, I got a story I want to
Speaker 1: share with you. You might have heard it before, because
Speaker 1: this is a story that has been told before, but
Speaker 1: it really struck me the last time I heard it
Speaker 1: because it's such a great analogy for our spirituality. Ready, yep, okay,
Speaker 1: So many years ago Thailand, there was a temple that
Speaker 1: was called the Temple of the Golden Buddha, and there
Speaker 1: was this huge statue of a golden Buddha. And word
Speaker 1: came to this village where the monastery was that an
Speaker 1: army from a neighboring country was about to invade. And
Speaker 1: they got this brilliant scheme to cover the golden Buddha,
Speaker 1: which is quite large and you know gold, right, And
Speaker 1: so they covered it with mud and concrete, so that
Speaker 1: looked basically like a stone Buddha, so that the army
Speaker 1: would perceive no value in it when it came. Well,
Speaker 1: sure enough, when the army rolled in with all their
Speaker 1: signs and weapons and all that kind of stuff, they
Speaker 1: passed the monastery, they saw nothing but a huge stone Buddha,
Speaker 1: so they had no reason to plunder it. Well, years
Speaker 1: went by, and in the village no one remembered after
Speaker 1: all these years that the Buddha was actually golden. Until
Speaker 1: one day a young monk was sitting on the buddha,
Speaker 1: meditating on his knee, and as he got up a
Speaker 1: little piece of concrete and to crack off, and he
Speaker 1: saw something shiny. Well, he realized it was gold under there,
Speaker 1: and so he ran to his fellow monks and said,
Speaker 1: the Buddha is gold. The Buddha is gold. And they
Speaker 1: all came out and they realized he was telling the truth,
Speaker 1: and they took their picks and they hammered, and eventually
Speaker 1: they unearthed the golden Buddha. So what's the moral of
Speaker 1: the story. Well, the moral is that each of us
Speaker 1: is golden by nature. We were born golden. We were
Speaker 1: born knowing that we're all connected to our bliss. We're
Speaker 1: all born knowing the truth, all born knowing that everything
Speaker 1: is spiritual and one with each other in the Christ
Speaker 1: and Buddha and everyone. But then we will go to school,
Speaker 1: and they said, you have to dress like this, and
Speaker 1: this is what boys do, this is what girls do,
Speaker 1: this is what black people do, this is what white
Speaker 1: people do, and on and on and on, and we
Speaker 1: developed this casing of stone over us as the Buddha
Speaker 1: to a point where at a young age, maybe five
Speaker 1: six seven, we believe that we with the stone Buddha
Speaker 1: and not the golden one. And then something comes along
Speaker 1: that cracks are casing. Maybe it's an injury or a
Speaker 1: financial setback, or governmental change or spiritual awakening, something that
Speaker 1: really scares us and knocks off a piece of our armor.
Speaker 1: And only in that moment when the armor's knocked off
Speaker 1: of us. Do we actually get to look inside and
Speaker 1: see the gold? Okay, Karen, I hope you're ready for
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 1: According to this week's guest, Mark Hunter Brooks, he's the
Speaker 1: author of the book Earth's Hidden Reality. One reason why
Speaker 1: people are searching for answers regarding spirituality is that they
Speaker 1: don't know why things are as they are or how
Speaker 1: they work. Now. While his book doesn't claim to have
Speaker 1: the answer, it does, however, provide a starting point from
Speaker 1: which to explore these important questions. Now, he's had numerous
Speaker 1: spiritual experiences since two thousand and three that have profoundly
Speaker 1: change his worldview. Welcome to the club, Mark, Today, he
Speaker 1: writes and speaks about the mechanics of the non physical world,
Speaker 1: helping make what many consider to be mystical easier to understand. Now, Mark,
Speaker 1: I know you don't claim to have the answers, but
Speaker 1: you do have a scientific background, and all four of
Speaker 1: your books have really come at this topic from a
Speaker 1: firmly scientific point of view. Right. In fact, your book
Speaker 1: started out as a science oriented justification of what Christians
Speaker 1: believed in faith, without using religious doctrine or dogma. In
Speaker 1: the explanation and it grew from there. Is that right?
Speaker 6: That's correct, And thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 6: I'm really excited about being on the podcast. And the
Speaker 6: way I would like to explain all this is to
Speaker 6: talk about truth because and I'm going to start off
Speaker 6: this way and build up from there.
Speaker 3: I hope I do a good job with it.
Speaker 1: So you're going to start with the truth.
Speaker 3: I'm going to start with the concept of truth.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, gotcha.
Speaker 6: So there's subjective truth and objective truth. And subjective truth
Speaker 6: is often based on people's personal experiences, and that's what
Speaker 6: people of faith have oftentimes, is subjective truth. But objective
Speaker 6: truth is what scientists do with experiments, and they'll beat
Speaker 6: a hypothesis to death, they'll try and disprove it, and
Speaker 6: it's only when they can't disprove something that they'll start
Speaker 6: believing that it may be true. And that's the essence
Speaker 6: of the scientific method.
Speaker 3: But these two.
Speaker 6: Methods of finding truth, subjective truth and objective truth don't
Speaker 6: really mix with each other. And actually the scientists don't
Speaker 6: acknowledge subjective truth, which the people of faith believe. And
Speaker 6: that's what got me started with my book. And I
Speaker 6: had had these spiritual experiences for a number of years
Speaker 6: before I started writing. My first book came out in
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, but I had been having experiences since two
Speaker 6: thousand and three. The whole idea just kind of mushroomed
Speaker 6: from its beginning with my first edition. But I did
Speaker 6: want to try and justify what people believed in faith.
Speaker 6: And with this fourth book, the first, second, third, and
Speaker 6: fourth book, they all build on each other, and with
Speaker 6: a fourth book, I really feel like I have something
Speaker 6: that I can share with people and that would be
Speaker 6: meaningful for people. And as we said, or as I
Speaker 6: said before we got started, is I'm not a scientist,
Speaker 6: I'm not a theologian, I'm not a philosopher. So what
Speaker 6: I want to do is show how this can be real,
Speaker 6: how this can work, and point a direction that people
Speaker 6: may not have gone in, and make connections to help
Speaker 6: other people who have more of a scientific background bring
Speaker 6: these things to fruition and study these concepts in more detail.
Speaker 6: But yes, that's how I got started. This fourth book
Speaker 6: has gone a lot farther than the other three in
Speaker 6: terms of trying to bring about a science or ware
Speaker 6: ded justification for reality, not necessarily for justifying what people
Speaker 6: believe in faith, and the essence of the book is
Speaker 6: that reality is not what people generally believe.
Speaker 2: I have to know. You said you'd had a bunch
Speaker 2: of spiritual experiences in the past. Can you just give
Speaker 2: us an example of one. How strong was it that
Speaker 2: it kind of led you down this path of questioning?
Speaker 3: Oh? Boy.
Speaker 6: Back in two thousand and three, I just moved to
Speaker 6: a new city.
Speaker 3: With my job.
Speaker 6: And there was a friend of mine who came from
Speaker 6: the old city where I was at and we had
Speaker 6: lunch together. And after lunch, I was talking to me
Speaker 6: and I said, you know, when I moved my hands together,
Speaker 6: I can feel this pressure. And he said, oh, that's
Speaker 6: your energy field. And I said, oh, that's interesting. And
Speaker 6: so it turns out he had studied for the ministry,
Speaker 6: he had done.
Speaker 3: A lot of.
Speaker 6: Work, you know, with the spiritual and he gave me
Speaker 6: a set of exercises to do to sensitize my body
Speaker 6: to my energy field. And so I worked on that
Speaker 6: for about a year. And then, for some reason or another,
Speaker 6: which I don't really want to go into, is I
Speaker 6: read a book. It was called Deliverance from Evil Spirits
Speaker 6: by Father Francis McNutt. And you could probably still find that.
Speaker 6: But it's a how to book on exorcism.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Why okay, hello, Now I don't do it. I don't
Speaker 6: do this stuff. But I read it and I was
Speaker 6: very skeptical, and I said, how can just saying words
Speaker 6: do things? But one Saturday morning, I was lying in
Speaker 6: bed and I tried it out and it actually worked.
Speaker 6: And after about five minutes I could feel the stuff
Speaker 6: going on. And so on Saturday mornings, while I was
Speaker 6: lying in bed, I would sit there and play with it,
Speaker 6: and these inneries would move. And then one Saturday, uh,
Speaker 6: there was this energy that wouldn't leave me, and that's
Speaker 6: what got me started. And so you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, you see that so easy. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I just kind of played with how to exorcism when
Speaker 1: it worked, So it implies that you had some sort
Speaker 1: of exorcism worthy, he.
Speaker 2: Said, he didn't want to get too much into it.
Speaker 1: I know, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: Well, and actually I don't do it anymore. I mean,
Speaker 6: but it was like the first year or two years
Speaker 6: when that was the only kind of technique that I had.
Speaker 6: That's what I was using to Basically, I was using
Speaker 6: my sensitized body and I could feel these energies move
Speaker 6: when I did the exorcism commands because my body was
Speaker 6: sensitive to it and I could I could feel that
Speaker 6: energy is moving up an arm or a leg or
Speaker 6: through my body and stuff like that. So that's how
Speaker 6: I knew that it was working. But that's what got
Speaker 6: me started. And really the essence of the spiritual experiences
Speaker 6: I've had over to at two decades now is that
Speaker 6: I can feel energies moving through my body, I can
Speaker 6: hear things, and recently I can see things at night too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I was just.
Speaker 2: Going to say, why is it always that's a scary stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see the night.
Speaker 6: So let me try and give you a science explanation
Speaker 6: to that.
Speaker 3: How's that? I am a Ham radio operator.
Speaker 1: I'm just a Ham just a hand.
Speaker 3: Have begun.
Speaker 6: And one of the things they talk about is how
Speaker 6: the atmosphere changes at night, and Ham radio operators can
Speaker 6: make these long distance radio connections at night by bouncing
Speaker 6: their radio signals off the ionosphere. But you get better
Speaker 6: connectivity at night because there's a change that happened to
Speaker 6: the atmosphere at night when it goes away from the sun.
Speaker 6: So I think that's why you have more of these
Speaker 6: instances of seeing beings from different dimensions, you know, appearing now,
Speaker 6: some people can see them during the day too, And
Speaker 6: I know some people who have had near death experiences
Speaker 6: who have had some psychic after effects, and I can
Speaker 6: explain that too, But they can see things during the
Speaker 6: day as well.
Speaker 1: You can explain psychic. Okay, we're gonna have to have
Speaker 1: like lots of conversation about them, because yeah, I do
Speaker 1: see a repeat, guest, because you're speaking my language right,
Speaker 1: Like explaining these things are what I set out to
Speaker 1: do in the first place when they created the show.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like you and I have a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 6: Cool, Well, why did Jesus tell his followers to believe
Speaker 6: things in faith if he knew them to be true?
Speaker 6: And my answer is is because reality was different from
Speaker 6: what people generally or different from what people generally believe.
Speaker 6: And the essence of my book is is that reality
Speaker 6: is fully wave based and not particle based or quantum
Speaker 6: mechanics based or atomic based. It's we're all packets of waves.
Speaker 6: And so if you use that analogy to explain things
Speaker 6: in my book, I explain scientific anomalies, how miracles in
Speaker 6: the Bible could be explained that how the paranormal could
Speaker 6: be explained. Psychic paranormal abilities I call them spiritual abilities,
Speaker 6: and we can get into it a little bit later.
Speaker 6: But I say those are real, but those are actually
Speaker 6: how non physical beings in different dimensions communicate, travel, perceive things,
Speaker 6: and manipulate energies and what. People on Earth in the
Speaker 6: physical dimension, you know, when they have these paranormal abilities
Speaker 6: or whatever, they're tapping in into these non physical abilities
Speaker 6: through their physical body, because they're a multi dimensional being
Speaker 6: as well, And that's how you can have all these things.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how would you explain then? You know, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to think of religious thing that most people would know.
Speaker 2: Water into wine. Everybody knows that's even in songs. So
Speaker 2: if you can explain that, like, how how would you
Speaker 2: explain Jesus turning the water into the wine?
Speaker 3: Oh? My god, I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know. I tend to think a lot of the
Speaker 2: Bible stories are stories to give examples. But if you're
Speaker 2: saying these things actually happened or can happen, how could
Speaker 2: they happen?
Speaker 6: Let me let me pick another one is the feeding
Speaker 6: of the five thousand.
Speaker 3: How's that.
Speaker 2: You know, I was debating between that one and the water.
Speaker 1: And the wine.
Speaker 2: So many choices, ones that people would know about.
Speaker 6: So you know, now this is just you know, one explanation.
Speaker 6: You know, I don't want to say it's the explanation.
Speaker 6: But if you look at matter as being packets of
Speaker 6: waves instead of particles, is it's easy to replicate those
Speaker 6: waves and bring them into being. So when you have
Speaker 6: a loaf of bread, or if you have a dried fish,
Speaker 6: you can create another set of wave packets of that
Speaker 6: fish or of that bread to bring those things into existence.
Speaker 6: Can echo It's I explained it a little bit more
Speaker 6: in my book. I don't I don't know if it
Speaker 6: would be appropriate for a podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, make it too fear into weeds.
Speaker 2: Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: But what I can't wrap my head around is you're
Speaker 1: saying we just create other packets of waves, Like, let
Speaker 1: me reach in my pocket and pull up with this packet.
Speaker 1: I got a packet full of pockets or pocket full
Speaker 1: of packets. Yeah, how does can you go a little
Speaker 1: bit into like the theory behind packets of waves, because
Speaker 1: it's very different than quantum physics, which is what we've
Speaker 1: been talking about.
Speaker 6: All this time, right right, So let me use an
Speaker 6: analogy to talk about a fully wave based reality. I'll
Speaker 6: use the analogy of an FM radio. So imagine you
Speaker 6: have an FM radio in your hand. You have a
Speaker 6: big dial, and when you change the FM radio dial,
Speaker 6: you move from one station to another. So in a
Speaker 6: wave based reality, using that same FM radio analogy, when
Speaker 6: you change the dial, you move from one reality to
Speaker 6: another because they're at a different frequency, or you move
Speaker 6: from one dimension to another because they're at a different frequency.
Speaker 6: And those and those realities and those frequencies can coexist
Speaker 6: in the same physical space. And that's been another one
Speaker 6: of the problems of the particle quantum mechanics paradigm is
Speaker 6: they say that you have these multiple dimensions that are
Speaker 6: these souper tiny, you know, sub atomic things that exist
Speaker 6: that you know, they have images of ants crawling around
Speaker 6: the wire, you know, from a half mile away, you know,
Speaker 6: or whatever, but they say it's something super tiny. But
Speaker 6: in a wave based reality, these other dimensions and other
Speaker 6: realities within the same dimension can exist in the same
Speaker 6: physical space. Just like you have AMFM radio communications, TV
Speaker 6: Wi Fi communications, and mobile communications. They're all at different frequencies,
Speaker 6: but they all co exist in the same space, or.
Speaker 2: Like color isn't is like white all the colors together?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: There, yeah, and a prism can split them out.
Speaker 2: Hey, look at that. I just impressed myself.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: So the thought of tuning into different frequencies, I mean
Speaker 1: it kind of goes in line with a lot of
Speaker 1: the conversations people are having. The fact that love is
Speaker 1: a frequency. We're all energy, right, we just have to
Speaker 1: shift our energy, our vibrational levels or rate of frequencies
Speaker 1: to ascend, or things like that. It makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. I'm not sure if they don't potentially live together,
Speaker 1: quantum end wave mechanics might not be too far apart.
Speaker 1: They might be able to coexist or is that not possible.
Speaker 3: They actually do?
Speaker 6: And before I get into that, I wanted to say
Speaker 6: one of the reasons why people don't believe folks who
Speaker 6: are intuitives or mediums or people who work with energies
Speaker 6: is that they say, you know, we'll raise your vibration. Well,
Speaker 6: everything is energy. Well I'm trying to give you an
Speaker 6: explanation of how and why that can be real. So
Speaker 6: when you tell people who work with energy, you know
Speaker 6: to when you explain raise your vibrations. You say, raise
Speaker 6: your vibration because you're a wave based being, and that
Speaker 6: kind of puts it in context to make it more real.
Speaker 6: And that's one of the things that I think this
Speaker 6: book does that my three previous books didn't do. I
Speaker 6: had more questions than answers in the earlier books, but
Speaker 6: I have a lot more answers in this fourth book.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to ask you some questions about your
Speaker 1: books in a minute, because I'm fascinated by them, and
Speaker 1: we're gett in a second. But before I do that,
Speaker 1: one of the concepts in your book you talk about infinity,
Speaker 1: and yes, for my mind to picture like, how is
Speaker 1: it possible that things just go on forever and ever
Speaker 1: and ever? How you have a way of explaining how
Speaker 1: infinity could actually exist? Right?
Speaker 6: Yes, And I'll add a little context around that is
Speaker 6: that in mathematics you have the concept of infinity where
Speaker 6: numbers can go on whole numbers can go on to infinity,
Speaker 6: and fractions can keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller
Speaker 6: into a small infinity. But science doesn't believe that infinity
Speaker 6: exists in nature because they say in a closed environment
Speaker 6: like an enclosed universe. You can't create new matter or
Speaker 6: new energy. All you can do is just transform matter
Speaker 6: into energy and energy into matter. So they don't believe
Speaker 6: that infinity exists in nature, But that's in a three
Speaker 6: dimensional world, three dimensions in time. And what I say
Speaker 6: in my book is, and I believe it's in chapter
Speaker 6: eight of my book, if people want to look at it,
Speaker 6: is look at our dimension. Our reality is having four dimensions,
Speaker 6: and where you have a whole number infinity and a
Speaker 6: fractional infinity in the fourth dimension. That's the first dimension
Speaker 6: where things can loop. And they have a geometric object
Speaker 6: called a testa act that's like a super cube. And
Speaker 6: there's an image on Come on on Wikipedia. Excuse me,
Speaker 6: there's an image on Wikipedia. I think Jason Hie is
Speaker 6: a guy in Europe who did a public domain gift
Speaker 6: of a moving testsa act. But if you look at it,
Speaker 6: that testa act is really a taurus and a trus
Speaker 6: is a doughnut. And if you can imagine a trus
Speaker 6: in your mind, you can move that taurus or it's
Speaker 6: like a bicycle tube. You can move that torus in
Speaker 6: and out, you can turn it in a circle, and
Speaker 6: you can kind of like move it end over end
Speaker 6: over each other, but it's a fourth dimensional object. And
Speaker 6: because it moves like that in fourth dimensions, I say
Speaker 6: that infinity can join together in the fourth dimension in
Speaker 6: terms and become a loop. So you can have the
Speaker 6: full whole number infinity join with a fractional infinity as
Speaker 6: a fourth dimension fourth dimensional spatial uh or a fourth
Speaker 6: dimension spatial spatial, fourth dimension, whatever you want to call it. Uh.
Speaker 6: So that's that's the concept, but it's now does it
Speaker 6: exist in reality? And I'll say that the whole number
Speaker 6: infinity goes into a black hole, and we have black
Speaker 6: holes in the center of galaxies and you know, in
Speaker 6: the universe, and then they have the concept of white
Speaker 6: holes where the matter that goes into the black hole
Speaker 6: and disappears it comes out as just little bits and
Speaker 6: particles out of the white hole. And from that that's
Speaker 6: how you get this regeneration of matter. Well, I say
Speaker 6: in the book that what a white hole really is
Speaker 6: is and we've been researching it for years, it's the
Speaker 6: big bang. The Big Bang is really just the emergence
Speaker 6: of matter from a white hole.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask if that's what that was
Speaker 2: makes perfect sense and so if.
Speaker 6: You look at it as reality being four dimensions instead
Speaker 6: of three, you can say infinity exists in nature because
Speaker 6: that black hole, white hole loop, the Big Bang as
Speaker 6: being the emergence of matter from a white hole. That
Speaker 6: is the example of infinity existing in nature, and that
Speaker 6: explains how infinity can exist and it's context. Yeah, it's
Speaker 6: been a conundrum because mathematicians say they exists, but scientists
Speaker 6: say it doesn't. But there's so many times that people
Speaker 6: use mathematics to justify the existence of things in physics,
Speaker 6: and then they go after experiments to try and prove
Speaker 6: the things that mathematics says was true. And I think
Speaker 6: that's how Einstein did his theory of relativity, is he
Speaker 6: did things mathematically and then it was later proved with
Speaker 6: I believe a solar eclipse in the nineteen twenties where
Speaker 6: they showed how light bends around the Sun as it
Speaker 6: comes around from an eclipse, but they actually proved a
Speaker 6: mathematical theorem, and so that's the same thing. But that's
Speaker 6: my explanation.
Speaker 1: So then bringing it back to spirituality, when people say
Speaker 1: that we are energy and we can't be destroyed and
Speaker 1: there's an infinite loop of life, after life after life. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the concept you're describing, right, We're trying
Speaker 1: to bring it back to spirituality in a way that
Speaker 1: my limited brain can understand.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 6: And let me also say that one of the reasons
Speaker 6: why I wrote this book was to help people who
Speaker 6: had more of a left brain, rational, linear thinking mind
Speaker 6: wrap their minds around the spiritual because it's very hard
Speaker 6: for people who aren't creative. I know, the creatives have
Speaker 6: creative minds have an easier, an easier which I say,
Speaker 6: opportunity to embrace all these things, and linear thinkers normally can't.
Speaker 6: So that's really one of the purposes for my book.
Speaker 1: But how does that speak to what happens after we die? Like,
Speaker 1: is do you believe that there is life after death?
Speaker 1: Before you answer that, we've got to take a quick break.
Speaker 1: But I want you to start thinking by your answers.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, you can give us your
Speaker 1: take on life after death. We'll be right back. Hey, Hey,
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Speaker 1: talking to me, heady, heady, stop talking about packets of
Speaker 1: waves and way we are beings of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so hard talk about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're starting and the fact that different frequencies can
Speaker 1: live simultaneously together. And the one question that was left
Speaker 1: outstanding that I really wanted to ask you is if
Speaker 1: all this stuff is scientifically proven, I guess, or we
Speaker 1: can be scientifically argued with your your theories, what does
Speaker 1: that mean for life after death? Is there such a thing?
Speaker 1: Or do we do? We not exist beyond this physical plane.
Speaker 6: So let me let me start off and say, with
Speaker 6: all of my years of experience, you know, twenty years
Speaker 6: of spiritual experiences, all the research that I've done, all
Speaker 6: the writing that I've done, I firmly believe that we're
Speaker 6: eternal spiritual beings. You know that Heaven exists, that God exists,
Speaker 6: that it's real, and that people who search for it
Speaker 6: will find it. Now going back to a scientific explanation
Speaker 6: for life after death, you know, when I earlier talked
Speaker 6: about infinity, I said that scientists said you can't create
Speaker 6: new matter or destroy matter or energy in a closed environment.
Speaker 6: But in this closed environment, now, in a wave based environment,
Speaker 6: you can have multiple dimensions. So our being can exist
Speaker 6: in a higher dimension and move to a lower dimension,
Speaker 6: or move back and forth between dimensions. If you're a
Speaker 6: wave based being, you can do that movement between dimensions,
Speaker 6: and that what's happening.
Speaker 2: When people are seeing spirits, They just their waves that
Speaker 2: are in a different dimension waving back this way.
Speaker 3: It depends.
Speaker 6: And on the cover of my book, I actually have
Speaker 6: an image of a spirit, and it's a spirit that
Speaker 6: I've seen dozens or a couple hundred of times, and
Speaker 6: it doesn't appear that way on the cover. But I
Speaker 6: say that in the opening segment. But a non physical
Speaker 6: or non form being will have a shape of a torus,
Speaker 6: and a form based being in a higher dimension will
Speaker 6: have more of a human like shape. But when we
Speaker 6: start out, let's say we're an eternal being, we're a being,
Speaker 6: a wave based being that is going to have layers
Speaker 6: of energy wrapped around ourselves as we descend from a
Speaker 6: higher dimension to a lower dimension. And the reason why
Speaker 6: we have these layers of energies wrapped around our body
Speaker 6: is because we're going from a less dense dimension to
Speaker 6: a more dimension. And I'll explain that in a minute.
Speaker 6: But when we get down to the physical dimension, what
Speaker 6: we see is these layers of around our body is
Speaker 6: really the aura. So the ara is these layers of
Speaker 6: energies that we acquire as we descend from the different dimensions.
Speaker 6: So now let me explain that briefly.
Speaker 1: Please, do.
Speaker 6: I use a thought experiment. I call it a geometric
Speaker 6: thought experiment. So imagine that you have a wire shaped
Speaker 6: cube in front of you. You have a square, a line,
Speaker 6: and a point. You can turn that cube to look
Speaker 6: like a square. You can turn the square to look
Speaker 6: like a line. You can turn the line on its
Speaker 6: side to look like a point. But a point can't
Speaker 6: be a line, a line can't be a square, and
Speaker 6: a square can't be a cube.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense with you so far? Yeah? Okay,
Speaker 3: And I'll use another.
Speaker 6: Or another analogy of it is you can take a
Speaker 6: movie and stop a movie so that that one frame
Speaker 6: of the movie will look like a photograph. But a
Speaker 6: photograph can't look like a movie, or can't become a movie.
Speaker 1: In essence, you're bringing it back to the three dimensional
Speaker 1: reality where we are all these things, but in a
Speaker 1: lower vibrational frequency. We are limited. We are the photograph.
Speaker 1: We're not the film.
Speaker 6: No, I'm saying we're the film. But in order to
Speaker 6: become the photograph in this physical dimension, we have to
Speaker 6: turn our cube to look like a square. We have
Speaker 6: to descend from one dimension to another one at a time,
Speaker 6: and that that descending action is descending into a more
Speaker 6: dense dimension. And so in the in the geometric thought experiment,
Speaker 6: you can descend one dimension at a time. You can
Speaker 6: descend one dimension or higher dimensional objects can descend, but
Speaker 6: lower dimensional objects can't assend. So this is going to
Speaker 6: be like a little heartbreaker for the religious people who say,
Speaker 6: you know, we're born into this temporary body and we
Speaker 6: become an eternal being. Is using this experiment that can't happen.
Speaker 6: What you are is you're already an eternal being who
Speaker 6: comes into this physical dimension and you leave it when
Speaker 6: you die. Right, So getting back to explaining death is
Speaker 6: that And I talk about the different densities of the
Speaker 6: different dimensions in my book, and I don't you know,
Speaker 6: it's maybe a little too technical to go into that,
Speaker 6: but if you imagine that the different dimensions have different densities,
Speaker 6: what death is is your wave based consciousness moving from
Speaker 6: a more dense body into a less dense body. And
Speaker 6: there's actually one hundred year old books that the Theosophical
Speaker 6: Society wrote that talk about the astral dominion and the
Speaker 6: mental dimension. These higher level dimensions, and they talk about
Speaker 6: our different bodies are our etheric body, our astral body,
Speaker 6: our mental body, and our causal body. And they actually
Speaker 6: say they wrote it one hundred years ago that when
Speaker 6: you leave one dimension and go to another, you die
Speaker 6: in that dimension your body. You leave your body in
Speaker 6: that higher dimension to go to an even higher dimension.
Speaker 6: So basically all death is is us moving from a
Speaker 6: more dense body to a less dense body, and that
Speaker 6: is us as an eternal wave based being.
Speaker 3: So as we all go ahead, as we move on to.
Speaker 2: That less dense body. So this is kind of how
Speaker 2: I'm different a little bit than Will. I mean, I
Speaker 2: really appreciate all of the scientific as well, but I
Speaker 2: also tend to think I'm more emotional. Yes, so you know,
Speaker 2: you think about dying and you're going to be this
Speaker 2: happy place and there's all this love. But if you're
Speaker 2: just dropping a bunch of energy, like when I think
Speaker 2: of energy on its own, I don't attribute an emotion
Speaker 2: to that or a feeling to that. Yeah, So the
Speaker 2: way I'm hearing it, I'm like, oh my gosh, you
Speaker 2: just end up being this energy with no emotions. Is that?
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 6: Well, let me give you a different way of thinking
Speaker 6: about our bodies. Is that you have a lot of
Speaker 6: questions that people ask or scientists ask that are doing
Speaker 6: research on consciousness, you know, and you have materialists who
Speaker 6: say that your consciousness is really just the cumulative effect
Speaker 6: of neurons firing in your brain, and that when you die,
Speaker 6: your consciousness dies. But that's because people are looking at
Speaker 6: it backwards. And I'll say, look at it from the
Speaker 6: other way around. Start with your consciousness and build your
Speaker 6: body around it. And it's kind of like, and I'll
Speaker 6: use another analogy of you're in a self driving Tesla
Speaker 6: car in your body.
Speaker 3: Yes I am, Yes, you are, you know, and.
Speaker 6: You've got self driving mode, you have oh what is it?
Speaker 6: I wanted to say, you have traffic avoidance mode.
Speaker 1: That one's broken in my car, look for traffic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So so anyway, but people look at at a person
Speaker 6: driving a self driving vehicle, you know, which which is
Speaker 6: our body. They look at the vehicle, they don't look
Speaker 6: at the driver. But if you're doing all these experiments
Speaker 6: and all this research on the self driving vehicle, you're
Speaker 6: going to come up with all these things about the
Speaker 6: brain and about neurons firing, and about all these abilities
Speaker 6: and uh eeg measurements you know around your brain and
Speaker 6: your mind. But you're not going to see the driver
Speaker 6: of the car. So if I say we're a wave
Speaker 6: based being, you're wave based being. And really, and this
Speaker 6: is for another conversation, at the very highest dimension, you know,
Speaker 6: in a formless existence, we're beings of light. So when
Speaker 6: you say we're wave based beings, we're really beings of light.
Speaker 6: But that's another conversation. I'll I'll leave that outfit.
Speaker 1: But if I'm hearing you correctly, then to answer Karen's question,
Speaker 1: we are our consciousness. So when we leave to Karen's question,
Speaker 1: it's not that we're no longer conscious. We're not some
Speaker 1: formulist thought lesson.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of like the cue, you know, the lines
Speaker 2: follow the density getting less and less and lesson to
Speaker 2: you end up with just a single stream. So as
Speaker 2: we lose density, as we you know, leave our body
Speaker 2: and kind of go through the different waves or lose
Speaker 2: the waves, that kind of final wave that we end
Speaker 2: up with doesn't have any sort of an emotional component
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 6: And this is from yeah, this is from what I've read,
Speaker 6: is that our spiritual self has you know, an emotional component,
Speaker 6: but each time we come down into the physical we
Speaker 6: adopt a personality.
Speaker 3: And when it's the same thing.
Speaker 6: When I mentioned before, you know about people looking at
Speaker 6: consciousness from the tesla perspective as opposed to the consciousness perspective,
Speaker 6: it's the same thing with people talking about reincarnation, is
Speaker 6: they're looking at physical body instead of the consciousness coming
Speaker 6: into the body. And Origin who was an early church
Speaker 6: Christian church father, he said in about two hundred or
Speaker 6: three hundred AD that we were pre existing souls and
Speaker 6: he was getting closer to you know, this whole concept
Speaker 6: that we were eternal beings coming into this physical body.
Speaker 6: But if you want to look at an explanation for reincarnation,
Speaker 6: and this will blow your mind too. It kind of
Speaker 6: blew my mind when I realized this is that if
Speaker 6: you're in a higher dimension that's outside of time, and
Speaker 6: you go into a dimension that's in time, you can
Speaker 6: place yourself at any point in that timeline. And science
Speaker 6: says that all time exists simultaneously, so you don't have
Speaker 6: to have a serial existence with your reincarnations of yourself.
Speaker 6: Yourself can come in in the year two thousand, and
Speaker 6: it can come in again the year of two thousand
Speaker 6: and two in two thousand and four, and you can
Speaker 6: have three instances of your spiritual self going through that
Speaker 6: timeline living lives at the same time.
Speaker 1: Right, that does blow my mind and my heart my
Speaker 1: head hurt a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I was saying the same thing.
Speaker 6: There's been so many times when I've been doing this
Speaker 6: book that I was just saying, oh my gosh, and
Speaker 6: I had to just sit there and drop it and
Speaker 6: just go walk away.
Speaker 3: And I was just saying, oh no, oh no, no, we.
Speaker 2: Have to rename past life regressions, yes, or future past all.
Speaker 1: Life, maybe alternate life, not even a regression, the situation,
Speaker 1: alternate life visitation.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 6: But it's a way to explain past life regressions and
Speaker 6: you know, multiple lives and things.
Speaker 1: Like that, because you're actually tapping into those lives. It's
Speaker 1: not like you're going back and remembering. You're actually going
Speaker 1: back and experiencing. Are you going You're crossing over and
Speaker 1: experiencing it.
Speaker 6: Right, And let me go back to this geometric thought
Speaker 6: experiment for just a second. I'm going to add a
Speaker 6: note a little twist to it. That'll that'll make your
Speaker 6: fek There's more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, there's more. I love that. I love that.
Speaker 6: It was a commercial. Right here is Remember we talked
Speaker 6: about the cube, the square, of the line and the point,
Speaker 6: and how a point can't look like a line and
Speaker 6: a line can't look like a square, and a square
Speaker 6: can't look like a cube. But have you ever seen
Speaker 6: a fan book, You know, this little book with multiple
Speaker 6: pages that when you fan it you can see a
Speaker 6: horse running or seeing all those things those imagine those
Speaker 6: to be a square. So if you have a series
Speaker 6: of squares and you move it through time, you can
Speaker 6: simulate that extra dimension of movement, so you can use
Speaker 6: time to raise yourself up to another dimension.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I don't think my mind has enough squares to figure
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. I'm glad I can
Speaker 3: make someone else's brain hurt.
Speaker 1: Mine's been so then what you're seeing, if I'm I
Speaker 1: understanding you correctly, then this can really explain everything that
Speaker 1: we talk about on this show. Right. Astra projection is
Speaker 1: just a It's just a changing of the frequency so
Speaker 1: that you go offer for a period of time into
Speaker 1: another dimension another frequency. Same thing with psychic powers and
Speaker 1: clairvoyance and channeling, yeah, channeling absolutely, a bigfoot, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: even the UFOs, everything experiences everything right.
Speaker 6: Yes, And that's one of the outcomes that I could
Speaker 6: see from my book. And I'll step back a little bit,
Speaker 6: is to say that I'm saying that science needs to change,
Speaker 6: that reality is not particles and quantum mechanics, that it's
Speaker 6: really waves. But by having multiple dimensions, I can say
Speaker 6: from a spiritual or a religious standpoint, I can say, yes,
Speaker 6: I can show you that Heaven exists, God exists, Jesus
Speaker 6: was real. But on the downside, all these miracles you
Speaker 6: talk about in the Bible and in these other books,
Speaker 6: they really obey the laws of physics. And the same
Speaker 6: thing with the paranormal is that you know, you could
Speaker 6: have witchcraft, you could have rey ki, you could have
Speaker 6: think of any name, all these other things. They're all
Speaker 6: basically the same principles of physics. So it'll be a
Speaker 6: downer for a lot of people who have had all
Speaker 6: these different trainings. You know, they've learned things that are
Speaker 6: the same things by different names and using different visualization
Speaker 6: techniques to do them. And I'll give you an example
Speaker 6: is intercestory prayer. So to the way I would explain things,
Speaker 6: or explain intercestory prayer to people is that you concentrate
Speaker 6: on an outcome. Say someone's had an accident there in
Speaker 6: the hospital, and my favorite image is to say, I
Speaker 6: imagine them laying in their hospital bed, getting up out
Speaker 6: of the hospital bed, taking off their road putting on
Speaker 6: their street clothes, walking out the hospital door, down the hall,
Speaker 6: and outside the hospital into the arms of their family
Speaker 6: and friends. And that's my visualization. But that's what I
Speaker 6: concentrate on, and my intention is that they get well
Speaker 6: and they get out of the hospital. So this combination
Speaker 6: of concentration, visualization, and intention, that's the same principles that
Speaker 6: are used in spellcasting.
Speaker 1: Right right. So, Karen, I think this is a mic
Speaker 1: drop episode which basically sums up everything we've always been
Speaker 1: asking out there. So I think this might be the
Speaker 1: last show, last episode. You've answered all the questions over. Yeah, Mark,
Speaker 1: thanks for ruining the good thing for crying out loud.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope you'll have me back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, No, I think we've got a lot, a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about. Still, this has been a fascinating
Speaker 1: time conversation. No, this is not the last episode, though
Speaker 1: it could possibly be. It could certainly be our finale.
Speaker 1: But we've had so much fun talking to you, Mark
Speaker 1: that we definitely will ask you to come back and
Speaker 1: dive into some of these concepts a little bit more
Speaker 1: in depth as we get further on down the road.
Speaker 6: Well, I appreciate it very much. I've had a great time,
Speaker 6: and thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to ask where can we
Speaker 2: get your books?
Speaker 6: They're available on Amazon, and you want the Blue Book
Speaker 6: It's Earth Hidden Reality.
Speaker 1: Before we go, And do need to ask you? You
Speaker 1: wrote the four books and they build on each other.
Speaker 1: Do you have to read all four books? So can
Speaker 1: you jump in in the middle of one of them?
Speaker 3: The fourth book?
Speaker 1: For example?
Speaker 6: There I say that each one is a plateau of
Speaker 6: where I was in my own spiritual development. So in
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen I wrote my first book, and I tell
Speaker 6: people and.
Speaker 3: That was just crap. That was your first book, you know, so.
Speaker 1: Don't read that one.
Speaker 3: Don't read that one.
Speaker 6: So but the second book is double the size of
Speaker 6: the first and a lot more scientific. But I didn't
Speaker 6: really have well developed ideas and concepts there. I was
Speaker 6: just exploring stuff. The third book talks a lot more
Speaker 6: about multiple dimensions. It's starting to get things down. But
Speaker 6: the fourth book, I really have the answers to the
Speaker 6: first three books are variations on the title or variations
Speaker 6: on the theme of Christianity from a different perspective or
Speaker 6: from a spiritual perspective. And that's going back to my
Speaker 6: original intention of trying to prove scientifically what people believe
Speaker 6: in faith by by not using doctrine or dogma because
Speaker 6: I knew science people you know, wouldn't listen to doctrine
Speaker 6: or dogma as an explanation. So that was my original goal.
Speaker 6: It's still my goal, but it's kind of expanded with
Speaker 6: this book, you know, by going beyond religion. But I
Speaker 6: can see, I can see combining all the different world views,
Speaker 6: the scientific world view and the religious worldview into a
Speaker 6: single worldview and using the paranormal as the link by
Speaker 6: saying that from science, you have multiple, multiple dimensions, and
Speaker 6: in those dimensions heaven can exist, non physical beings can
Speaker 6: exist that have spiritual abilities that are and then here's
Speaker 6: the link to the paranormal. That are the paranormal abilities
Speaker 6: we have on earth, which are the miracles in the
Speaker 6: Bible that you see. They're just the spiritual abilities, the
Speaker 6: paranormal psychic abilities that non physical beings who came to
Speaker 6: Earth use to help us with our spiritual development.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, everyone could just jump on that bandwagon.
Speaker 1: Very great, well, Mark, you are not doing a great
Speaker 1: job of trying to sell your own books except for
Speaker 1: this last one, but we appreciate your candor. We're going
Speaker 1: to put direct links to your books directly on our
Speaker 1: show notes. So if you're interested in taking a look
Speaker 1: at Mark's books, just go to Skeptic Metohosician his episode
Speaker 1: page and then you will see the links directly listed
Speaker 1: there as well. Mark, this has been fantastic. Really appreciate
Speaker 1: you coming.
Speaker 3: On great well. Thank you for having me. I appreciate it, and.
Speaker 1: A huge thank you to you. If you know someone
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Speaker 1: Until then, take care,