WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:03.279 Karen. Yes, we've been doing this show for quite a 2 00:00:03.279 --> 00:00:07.080 while now, and we've had lots and lots of conversations 3 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:12.599 about metaphysics, spirituality, spiritual awakenings, paranormal all kinds of things. Right, 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:17.399 But have you ever stopped and thought to yourself if 5 00:00:17.440 --> 00:00:20.199 all these conversations really were legit. 6 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:21.960 I think about that all the time. 7 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:24.039 Do you do? Oh my god, I'm so glad I'm 8 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:27.120 not the only one. I mean. So, is spirituality as 9 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:29.960 we know it real? Or is it just a figment 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.679 of our wish fulfilling imagination. That's the question that we're 11 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:34.359 asking today. 12 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:34.600 Yep. 13 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:37.159 It's tackle the hard questions to day, and by the 14 00:00:37.240 --> 00:00:39.920 end of this episode we're going to have a very 15 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:43.520 clear understanding of whether those paths we are all talking 16 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:47.320 about have any type of legitimacy or not. 17 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:48.880 So no doubts. 18 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:54.920 Welcome to the skeptic Metaphysicians. My name is Will and 19 00:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.479 unlike Boulder and Scully, both want to believe, so we've 20 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:03.520 embarked in a journey of discovery. 21 00:01:04.439 --> 00:01:13.560 Welcome to skeptic politicians classics. You are listening to classic 22 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:15.079 skeptic matusicians. 23 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:22.760 Welcome to our version of a walkdown Memory lane as 24 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:41.519 we present classics from the Skeptic metahysician library, words and all. 25 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:44.400 Since you are here, you must be curious how life 26 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:47.879 really works. I'll let you in on a little secret. 27 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:51.920 You can only discover this at the intersection of science 28 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:57.680 and spirituality, quantum physics and metaphysics. I call it Quantum Living. 29 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:03.400 To learn more, check out my Quantum Living podcast and engaging, 30 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:07.079 thought provoking, an inspiring show in a true style of 31 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:13.479 uncommon conversations, a deep dive into the nature of reality, consciousness, 32 00:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.719 and the cosmos, with practical tips on how to tap 33 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:21.199 into our unlimited potential as a human being and a soul. 34 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.319 If you love going into deep rabbit house and out 35 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:29.840 on a limb, visit quantumlivingpodcast dot com and start to 36 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.360 journey into the unknown. 37 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:42.400 Right there, Karen, I got a story I want to 38 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.919 share with you. You might have heard it before, because 39 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:49.000 this is a story that has been told before, but 40 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.879 it really struck me the last time I heard it 41 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:58.319 because it's such a great analogy for our spirituality. Ready, yep, okay, 42 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:02.479 So many years ago Thailand, there was a temple that 43 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.479 was called the Temple of the Golden Buddha, and there 44 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.120 was this huge statue of a golden Buddha. And word 45 00:03:09.159 --> 00:03:11.479 came to this village where the monastery was that an 46 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.199 army from a neighboring country was about to invade. And 47 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.680 they got this brilliant scheme to cover the golden Buddha, 48 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:22.120 which is quite large and you know gold, right, And 49 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:24.479 so they covered it with mud and concrete, so that 50 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:28.360 looked basically like a stone Buddha, so that the army 51 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.479 would perceive no value in it when it came. Well, 52 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:36.360 sure enough, when the army rolled in with all their 53 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.599 signs and weapons and all that kind of stuff, they 54 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:42.120 passed the monastery, they saw nothing but a huge stone Buddha, 55 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.199 so they had no reason to plunder it. Well, years 56 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:48.960 went by, and in the village no one remembered after 57 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.039 all these years that the Buddha was actually golden. Until 58 00:03:52.080 --> 00:03:55.159 one day a young monk was sitting on the buddha, 59 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:58.400 meditating on his knee, and as he got up a 60 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.400 little piece of concrete and to crack off, and he 61 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.319 saw something shiny. Well, he realized it was gold under there, 62 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:07.439 and so he ran to his fellow monks and said, 63 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.520 the Buddha is gold. The Buddha is gold. And they 64 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.639 all came out and they realized he was telling the truth, 65 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.520 and they took their picks and they hammered, and eventually 66 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.680 they unearthed the golden Buddha. So what's the moral of 67 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:23.319 the story. Well, the moral is that each of us 68 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:26.839 is golden by nature. We were born golden. We were 69 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:32.480 born knowing that we're all connected to our bliss. We're 70 00:04:32.519 --> 00:04:35.759 all born knowing the truth, all born knowing that everything 71 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:39.879 is spiritual and one with each other in the Christ 72 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:43.800 and Buddha and everyone. But then we will go to school, 73 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:45.839 and they said, you have to dress like this, and 74 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:47.959 this is what boys do, this is what girls do, 75 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:50.160 this is what black people do, this is what white 76 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:51.720 people do, and on and on and on, and we 77 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.959 developed this casing of stone over us as the Buddha 78 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:57.519 to a point where at a young age, maybe five 79 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.800 six seven, we believe that we with the stone Buddha 80 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:04.879 and not the golden one. And then something comes along 81 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:08.519 that cracks are casing. Maybe it's an injury or a 82 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:12.680 financial setback, or governmental change or spiritual awakening, something that 83 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.439 really scares us and knocks off a piece of our armor. 84 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:20.920 And only in that moment when the armor's knocked off 85 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:22.879 of us. Do we actually get to look inside and 86 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:29.360 see the gold? Okay, Karen, I hope you're ready for 87 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:29.720 this one. 88 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:30.680 I'm ready. 89 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:34.839 According to this week's guest, Mark Hunter Brooks, he's the 90 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:38.560 author of the book Earth's Hidden Reality. One reason why 91 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.920 people are searching for answers regarding spirituality is that they 92 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.720 don't know why things are as they are or how 93 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:47.839 they work. Now. While his book doesn't claim to have 94 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.720 the answer, it does, however, provide a starting point from 95 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:56.160 which to explore these important questions. Now, he's had numerous 96 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.959 spiritual experiences since two thousand and three that have profoundly 97 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.360 change his worldview. Welcome to the club, Mark, Today, he 98 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:07.720 writes and speaks about the mechanics of the non physical world, 99 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:14.240 helping make what many consider to be mystical easier to understand. Now, Mark, 100 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.360 I know you don't claim to have the answers, but 101 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:20.199 you do have a scientific background, and all four of 102 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:22.720 your books have really come at this topic from a 103 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.480 firmly scientific point of view. Right. In fact, your book 104 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:29.120 started out as a science oriented justification of what Christians 105 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:33.360 believed in faith, without using religious doctrine or dogma. In 106 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:35.720 the explanation and it grew from there. Is that right? 107 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.759 That's correct, And thank you very much for having me. 108 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.800 I'm really excited about being on the podcast. And the 109 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.639 way I would like to explain all this is to 110 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.399 talk about truth because and I'm going to start off 111 00:06:48.399 --> 00:06:49.920 this way and build up from there. 112 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:51.680 I hope I do a good job with it. 113 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.240 So you're going to start with the truth. 114 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:56.240 I'm going to start with the concept of truth. 115 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:57.920 Oh okay, gotcha. 116 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:03.720 So there's subjective truth and objective truth. And subjective truth 117 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.399 is often based on people's personal experiences, and that's what 118 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:12.399 people of faith have oftentimes, is subjective truth. But objective 119 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:17.399 truth is what scientists do with experiments, and they'll beat 120 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.199 a hypothesis to death, they'll try and disprove it, and 121 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:23.199 it's only when they can't disprove something that they'll start 122 00:07:23.240 --> 00:07:26.560 believing that it may be true. And that's the essence 123 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:27.720 of the scientific method. 124 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:30.160 But these two. 125 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.439 Methods of finding truth, subjective truth and objective truth don't 126 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:38.879 really mix with each other. And actually the scientists don't 127 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.680 acknowledge subjective truth, which the people of faith believe. And 128 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.439 that's what got me started with my book. And I 129 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.040 had had these spiritual experiences for a number of years 130 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.639 before I started writing. My first book came out in 131 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:57.040 twenty sixteen, but I had been having experiences since two 132 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:02.279 thousand and three. The whole idea just kind of mushroomed 133 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:05.920 from its beginning with my first edition. But I did 134 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.439 want to try and justify what people believed in faith. 135 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.000 And with this fourth book, the first, second, third, and 136 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.040 fourth book, they all build on each other, and with 137 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:17.120 a fourth book, I really feel like I have something 138 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.720 that I can share with people and that would be 139 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:23.639 meaningful for people. And as we said, or as I 140 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.680 said before we got started, is I'm not a scientist, 141 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.319 I'm not a theologian, I'm not a philosopher. So what 142 00:08:30.360 --> 00:08:33.799 I want to do is show how this can be real, 143 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:38.519 how this can work, and point a direction that people 144 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.519 may not have gone in, and make connections to help 145 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:46.240 other people who have more of a scientific background bring 146 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:50.440 these things to fruition and study these concepts in more detail. 147 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:54.799 But yes, that's how I got started. This fourth book 148 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:58.759 has gone a lot farther than the other three in 149 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:03.360 terms of trying to bring about a science or ware 150 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:08.440 ded justification for reality, not necessarily for justifying what people 151 00:09:08.440 --> 00:09:11.320 believe in faith, and the essence of the book is 152 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.960 that reality is not what people generally believe. 153 00:09:15.399 --> 00:09:17.919 I have to know. You said you'd had a bunch 154 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:21.200 of spiritual experiences in the past. Can you just give 155 00:09:21.240 --> 00:09:24.799 us an example of one. How strong was it that 156 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.360 it kind of led you down this path of questioning? 157 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:29.120 Oh? Boy. 158 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.720 Back in two thousand and three, I just moved to 159 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:34.480 a new city. 160 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:35.279 With my job. 161 00:09:36.039 --> 00:09:38.639 And there was a friend of mine who came from 162 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:41.360 the old city where I was at and we had 163 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.159 lunch together. And after lunch, I was talking to me 164 00:09:44.240 --> 00:09:46.360 and I said, you know, when I moved my hands together, 165 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:48.960 I can feel this pressure. And he said, oh, that's 166 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:53.399 your energy field. And I said, oh, that's interesting. And 167 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.840 so it turns out he had studied for the ministry, 168 00:09:56.960 --> 00:09:57.879 he had done. 169 00:09:57.679 --> 00:09:58.440 A lot of. 170 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.679 Work, you know, with the spiritual and he gave me 171 00:10:02.720 --> 00:10:06.519 a set of exercises to do to sensitize my body 172 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.039 to my energy field. And so I worked on that 173 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:15.000 for about a year. And then, for some reason or another, 174 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.080 which I don't really want to go into, is I 175 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:22.039 read a book. It was called Deliverance from Evil Spirits 176 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.639 by Father Francis McNutt. And you could probably still find that. 177 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.639 But it's a how to book on exorcism. 178 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:30.480 Oh my gosh. 179 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:36.440 Why okay, hello, Now I don't do it. I don't 180 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:39.759 do this stuff. But I read it and I was 181 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.519 very skeptical, and I said, how can just saying words 182 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:47.840 do things? But one Saturday morning, I was lying in 183 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.840 bed and I tried it out and it actually worked. 184 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:53.039 And after about five minutes I could feel the stuff 185 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:56.360 going on. And so on Saturday mornings, while I was 186 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.120 lying in bed, I would sit there and play with it, 187 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.120 and these inneries would move. And then one Saturday, uh, 188 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.720 there was this energy that wouldn't leave me, and that's 189 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.759 what got me started. And so you. 190 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:15.480 Know, yeah, yeah, you see that so easy. So yeah, 191 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:17.879 I just kind of played with how to exorcism when 192 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:21.039 it worked, So it implies that you had some sort 193 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.679 of exorcism worthy, he. 194 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:25.320 Said, he didn't want to get too much into it. 195 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:31.240 I know, Oh my gosh. 196 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.039 Well, and actually I don't do it anymore. I mean, 197 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.679 but it was like the first year or two years 198 00:11:37.799 --> 00:11:40.080 when that was the only kind of technique that I had. 199 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:44.039 That's what I was using to Basically, I was using 200 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.960 my sensitized body and I could feel these energies move 201 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.000 when I did the exorcism commands because my body was 202 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:52.279 sensitive to it and I could I could feel that 203 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.120 energy is moving up an arm or a leg or 204 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.480 through my body and stuff like that. So that's how 205 00:11:57.519 --> 00:12:01.080 I knew that it was working. But that's what got 206 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.759 me started. And really the essence of the spiritual experiences 207 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:08.480 I've had over to at two decades now is that 208 00:12:09.519 --> 00:12:13.799 I can feel energies moving through my body, I can 209 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:17.480 hear things, and recently I can see things at night too. 210 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.720 So yeah, I was just. 211 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.919 Going to say, why is it always that's a scary stuff. 212 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:24.960 I don't want to see the night. 213 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:30.960 So let me try and give you a science explanation 214 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:31.399 to that. 215 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:36.159 How's that? I am a Ham radio operator. 216 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:38.600 I'm just a Ham just a hand. 217 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.519 Have begun. 218 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:43.879 And one of the things they talk about is how 219 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:48.879 the atmosphere changes at night, and Ham radio operators can 220 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:53.039 make these long distance radio connections at night by bouncing 221 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:57.080 their radio signals off the ionosphere. But you get better 222 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:00.960 connectivity at night because there's a change that happened to 223 00:13:01.039 --> 00:13:03.759 the atmosphere at night when it goes away from the sun. 224 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:08.039 So I think that's why you have more of these 225 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:13.960 instances of seeing beings from different dimensions, you know, appearing now, 226 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:15.840 some people can see them during the day too, And 227 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.639 I know some people who have had near death experiences 228 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:23.320 who have had some psychic after effects, and I can 229 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:26.879 explain that too, But they can see things during the 230 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.320 day as well. 231 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.240 You can explain psychic. Okay, we're gonna have to have 232 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:36.360 like lots of conversation about them, because yeah, I do 233 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.399 see a repeat, guest, because you're speaking my language right, 234 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:46.200 Like explaining these things are what I set out to 235 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.840 do in the first place when they created the show. 236 00:13:49.000 --> 00:13:50.639 So it sounds like you and I have a lot 237 00:13:50.879 --> 00:13:51.559 to talk about. 238 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.440 Cool, Well, why did Jesus tell his followers to believe 239 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.600 things in faith if he knew them to be true? 240 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:02.559 And my answer is is because reality was different from 241 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.000 what people generally or different from what people generally believe. 242 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:09.159 And the essence of my book is is that reality 243 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.799 is fully wave based and not particle based or quantum 244 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:17.960 mechanics based or atomic based. It's we're all packets of waves. 245 00:14:18.879 --> 00:14:23.080 And so if you use that analogy to explain things 246 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:28.799 in my book, I explain scientific anomalies, how miracles in 247 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.320 the Bible could be explained that how the paranormal could 248 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:36.200 be explained. Psychic paranormal abilities I call them spiritual abilities, 249 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.559 and we can get into it a little bit later. 250 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.039 But I say those are real, but those are actually 251 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:49.799 how non physical beings in different dimensions communicate, travel, perceive things, 252 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:54.559 and manipulate energies and what. People on Earth in the 253 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.200 physical dimension, you know, when they have these paranormal abilities 254 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:02.120 or whatever, they're tapping in into these non physical abilities 255 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.960 through their physical body, because they're a multi dimensional being 256 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.039 as well, And that's how you can have all these things. 257 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.639 Oh yeah, how would you explain then? You know, I'm 258 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.519 trying to think of religious thing that most people would know. 259 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:18.440 Water into wine. Everybody knows that's even in songs. So 260 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:20.480 if you can explain that, like, how how would you 261 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:22.360 explain Jesus turning the water into the wine? 262 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:23.600 Oh? My god, I don't know. 263 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.559 You know. I tend to think a lot of the 264 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:30.960 Bible stories are stories to give examples. But if you're 265 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:35.080 saying these things actually happened or can happen, how could 266 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:35.600 they happen? 267 00:15:36.440 --> 00:15:39.440 Let me let me pick another one is the feeding 268 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:40.399 of the five thousand. 269 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:41.039 How's that. 270 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.840 You know, I was debating between that one and the water. 271 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:44.600 And the wine. 272 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:48.360 So many choices, ones that people would know about. 273 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.720 So you know, now this is just you know, one explanation. 274 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.279 You know, I don't want to say it's the explanation. 275 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.279 But if you look at matter as being packets of 276 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:04.720 waves instead of particles, is it's easy to replicate those 277 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:09.879 waves and bring them into being. So when you have 278 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.480 a loaf of bread, or if you have a dried fish, 279 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:16.080 you can create another set of wave packets of that 280 00:16:16.159 --> 00:16:20.120 fish or of that bread to bring those things into existence. 281 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:25.159 Can echo It's I explained it a little bit more 282 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:27.279 in my book. I don't I don't know if it 283 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.000 would be appropriate for a podcast. 284 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.639 Yeah, yeah, make it too fear into weeds. 285 00:16:31.759 --> 00:16:32.440 Well, that's true. 286 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.720 But what I can't wrap my head around is you're 287 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:39.960 saying we just create other packets of waves, Like, let 288 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:42.120 me reach in my pocket and pull up with this packet. 289 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.200 I got a packet full of pockets or pocket full 290 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:48.039 of packets. Yeah, how does can you go a little 291 00:16:48.039 --> 00:16:52.960 bit into like the theory behind packets of waves, because 292 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.480 it's very different than quantum physics, which is what we've 293 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:57.080 been talking about. 294 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:59.960 All this time, right right, So let me use an 295 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:04.160 analogy to talk about a fully wave based reality. I'll 296 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.799 use the analogy of an FM radio. So imagine you 297 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:09.480 have an FM radio in your hand. You have a 298 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.799 big dial, and when you change the FM radio dial, 299 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.640 you move from one station to another. So in a 300 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:21.519 wave based reality, using that same FM radio analogy, when 301 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:24.920 you change the dial, you move from one reality to 302 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:28.319 another because they're at a different frequency, or you move 303 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:31.519 from one dimension to another because they're at a different frequency. 304 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:36.680 And those and those realities and those frequencies can coexist 305 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:40.559 in the same physical space. And that's been another one 306 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.839 of the problems of the particle quantum mechanics paradigm is 307 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:47.319 they say that you have these multiple dimensions that are 308 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:51.400 these souper tiny, you know, sub atomic things that exist 309 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:56.119 that you know, they have images of ants crawling around 310 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.680 the wire, you know, from a half mile away, you know, 311 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:01.559 or whatever, but they say it's something super tiny. But 312 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.920 in a wave based reality, these other dimensions and other 313 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.559 realities within the same dimension can exist in the same 314 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:12.599 physical space. Just like you have AMFM radio communications, TV 315 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:17.640 Wi Fi communications, and mobile communications. They're all at different frequencies, 316 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.960 but they all co exist in the same space, or. 317 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.720 Like color isn't is like white all the colors together? 318 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:24.400 Yes? 319 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.960 There, yeah, and a prism can split them out. 320 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.759 Hey, look at that. I just impressed myself. 321 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:35.359 There you go. 322 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:41.240 So the thought of tuning into different frequencies, I mean 323 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:42.720 it kind of goes in line with a lot of 324 00:18:42.759 --> 00:18:45.720 the conversations people are having. The fact that love is 325 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.680 a frequency. We're all energy, right, we just have to 326 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.799 shift our energy, our vibrational levels or rate of frequencies 327 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.960 to ascend, or things like that. It makes a lot 328 00:18:55.960 --> 00:19:00.519 of sense. I'm not sure if they don't potentially live together, 329 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:04.480 quantum end wave mechanics might not be too far apart. 330 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.720 They might be able to coexist or is that not possible. 331 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:08.680 They actually do? 332 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.440 And before I get into that, I wanted to say 333 00:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.559 one of the reasons why people don't believe folks who 334 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:20.079 are intuitives or mediums or people who work with energies 335 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:23.480 is that they say, you know, we'll raise your vibration. Well, 336 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.319 everything is energy. Well I'm trying to give you an 337 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.720 explanation of how and why that can be real. So 338 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.799 when you tell people who work with energy, you know 339 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:36.359 to when you explain raise your vibrations. You say, raise 340 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:40.279 your vibration because you're a wave based being, and that 341 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.079 kind of puts it in context to make it more real. 342 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.119 And that's one of the things that I think this 343 00:19:45.160 --> 00:19:47.799 book does that my three previous books didn't do. I 344 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.880 had more questions than answers in the earlier books, but 345 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:53.039 I have a lot more answers in this fourth book. 346 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.359 Well, I'm going to ask you some questions about your 347 00:19:55.359 --> 00:19:59.559 books in a minute, because I'm fascinated by them, and 348 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:01.720 we're gett in a second. But before I do that, 349 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.319 one of the concepts in your book you talk about infinity, 350 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.799 and yes, for my mind to picture like, how is 351 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:12.240 it possible that things just go on forever and ever 352 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.160 and ever? How you have a way of explaining how 353 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:19.000 infinity could actually exist? Right? 354 00:20:19.880 --> 00:20:23.279 Yes, And I'll add a little context around that is 355 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.839 that in mathematics you have the concept of infinity where 356 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.839 numbers can go on whole numbers can go on to infinity, 357 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.920 and fractions can keep getting smaller and smaller and smaller 358 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:38.640 into a small infinity. But science doesn't believe that infinity 359 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.160 exists in nature because they say in a closed environment 360 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:45.960 like an enclosed universe. You can't create new matter or 361 00:20:46.039 --> 00:20:48.599 new energy. All you can do is just transform matter 362 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.200 into energy and energy into matter. So they don't believe 363 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:55.759 that infinity exists in nature, But that's in a three 364 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.680 dimensional world, three dimensions in time. And what I say 365 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.559 in my book is, and I believe it's in chapter 366 00:21:01.599 --> 00:21:04.039 eight of my book, if people want to look at it, 367 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:10.440 is look at our dimension. Our reality is having four dimensions, 368 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:16.880 and where you have a whole number infinity and a 369 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:21.640 fractional infinity in the fourth dimension. That's the first dimension 370 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:27.920 where things can loop. And they have a geometric object 371 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:32.319 called a testa act that's like a super cube. And 372 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:38.319 there's an image on Come on on Wikipedia. Excuse me, 373 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:41.599 there's an image on Wikipedia. I think Jason Hie is 374 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.279 a guy in Europe who did a public domain gift 375 00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:49.039 of a moving testsa act. But if you look at it, 376 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:52.920 that testa act is really a taurus and a trus 377 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.799 is a doughnut. And if you can imagine a trus 378 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:00.279 in your mind, you can move that taurus or it's 379 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:03.079 like a bicycle tube. You can move that torus in 380 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.200 and out, you can turn it in a circle, and 381 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.160 you can kind of like move it end over end 382 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:11.119 over each other, but it's a fourth dimensional object. And 383 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:15.720 because it moves like that in fourth dimensions, I say 384 00:22:15.759 --> 00:22:19.839 that infinity can join together in the fourth dimension in 385 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:23.880 terms and become a loop. So you can have the 386 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:28.640 full whole number infinity join with a fractional infinity as 387 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:33.160 a fourth dimension fourth dimensional spatial uh or a fourth 388 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.839 dimension spatial spatial, fourth dimension, whatever you want to call it. Uh. 389 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.680 So that's that's the concept, but it's now does it 390 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:46.640 exist in reality? And I'll say that the whole number 391 00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.039 infinity goes into a black hole, and we have black 392 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:54.400 holes in the center of galaxies and you know, in 393 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:57.240 the universe, and then they have the concept of white 394 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.240 holes where the matter that goes into the black hole 395 00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.559 and disappears it comes out as just little bits and 396 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:07.000 particles out of the white hole. And from that that's 397 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.839 how you get this regeneration of matter. Well, I say 398 00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:15.119 in the book that what a white hole really is 399 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:18.000 is and we've been researching it for years, it's the 400 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:21.359 big bang. The Big Bang is really just the emergence 401 00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:22.759