Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of The
Speaker 1: Cajun Night Live. I am your host, Jacob Mook the
Speaker 1: Cajun Night and uh boy, oh boy, what a world
Speaker 1: we are living in. I know we say that a lot,
Speaker 1: oh these wild times and this and this, but you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: the wild times have a bit of a calmness to
Speaker 1: them if you are of a certain mindset. Right, yes,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of chaos going on. But if you
Speaker 1: and I'm not even saying politically aligning yourself, but if
Speaker 1: you at least have your mindset aligned to you know, logic,
Speaker 1: sound reasoning, a little bit of some critical thinking, then
Speaker 1: you actually can see this chaos and realize that this
Speaker 1: is the storm before the calm, in the weird flip
Speaker 1: reverse of things. I'm gonna go ahead and share the
Speaker 1: screen at this time, and I wanted to jump into
Speaker 1: a couple of different geopolitical things that are going on,
Speaker 1: and if any he has anything that they would like
Speaker 1: to open for him discuss here, drop it in the
Speaker 1: chat and we will get to it here in just
Speaker 1: a moment. But I feel like these things might take
Speaker 1: a little bit of precedence to it, so as we
Speaker 1: see here. There's a couple of BBC articles that I
Speaker 1: have to read on this evening. Jd Vance attacks Europe
Speaker 1: over free speech and migration. Now, at first, when I
Speaker 1: read that title, I'm thinking, bro jd Vance is kind
Speaker 1: of I know that he's going around and doing this
Speaker 1: thing right now with his tour of speeches and things,
Speaker 1: but I don't see the man as a.
Speaker 2: Aggressive type, you know what I mean. He's not a.
Speaker 1: Trump by any means, but I do think he's a
Speaker 1: solid guy. I know some people kind of threw shade
Speaker 1: on him because of his investors and how he comes
Speaker 1: from Silicon Valley and these things, but honestly, I like
Speaker 1: to look at the man for you know, what he
Speaker 1: has done where he has been, and I do like
Speaker 1: the book that he wrote and his rise into the
Speaker 1: political realm and for the reasons that he rose there.
Speaker 1: I actually liked the man. Not gonna lie, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: The liberal media went on just saying that he was
Speaker 1: weird a lot, like a lot.
Speaker 2: That seemed to be like their one buzzword for him
Speaker 2: for quite a little bit.
Speaker 1: But then I'm hearing that he's over in Europe and
Speaker 1: he is, you know, talking that noise towards Europe's free
Speaker 1: speech and immigration, so I thought it was worth looking
Speaker 1: into here. Let's read in US Vice President JD. Vance
Speaker 1: has launched a scalding attack on European democracies, saying the
Speaker 1: greatest threat facing the continent was not from Russia and
Speaker 1: China but quote unquote from within Uh. For the record,
Speaker 1: I find no lies detected here at this moment, but
Speaker 1: let's keep going. It had been expected that Vance would
Speaker 1: use his speech at the Munich Security Conference to address
Speaker 1: possible talks to end the war in Ukraine. Of course
Speaker 1: they were hoping that that would be the conversation, but
Speaker 1: instead he's spent the majority accusing European governments, including the UKs,
Speaker 1: of retreating from their values and ignoring voter concerns. On
Speaker 1: mygration and free speech. Yeah again, I gotta say, no
Speaker 1: liaes detected. I'm not some sort of a master of
Speaker 1: geopolitics by any means, but we do in fact know
Speaker 1: that politicians do not care about their voters or what
Speaker 1: their constituents actually want. Like that's been a rinse and
Speaker 1: repeat en mass and as he's in Munich, and you
Speaker 1: look at what Merkele did with the immigration policies to
Speaker 1: that country.
Speaker 2: I feel like he was absolutely just.
Speaker 1: Hitting and where it hurt, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The address was met by silence in the hall and
Speaker 1: later denounced by several politicians at the conference. Defense Minister
Speaker 1: Boris Pistorius said.
Speaker 2: It was not acceptable.
Speaker 1: German defense minister is going to talk some shit about
Speaker 1: the immigration policy of Germany. I think that's kind of ironic,
Speaker 1: but we'll continue. Vance repeated the Trump administration's line that
Speaker 1: Europe must quote step up in a big way to
Speaker 1: provide for its own defense end quote. Again, no laws
Speaker 1: detected here, and I don't know in particular if Germany
Speaker 1: has actually met their GDP requirements to be a part
Speaker 1: of NATO or not, but I do know that there
Speaker 1: is a large number of European countries that have not
Speaker 1: given their mandatory three percent in a good while. You know.
Speaker 1: I know Germany's military is kind of coming up in
Speaker 1: that regard. I know they've got a couple of badass
Speaker 1: tanks that they just released, and they've restructured.
Speaker 2: In a more efficient way.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's necessarily in a big financial way,
Speaker 1: but from what I have heard recently, especially with their
Speaker 1: weapons platforms, that they've designed and everything. Germany's military is
Speaker 1: not one to just turn the nose up to anymore.
Speaker 1: They have definitely come up in that regard. But either way,
Speaker 1: the Ukraine War was mentioned, with Van saying he hoped
Speaker 1: a reasonable settlement could be reached after the US President
Speaker 1: Donald Trump's surprise announcement earlier this week that he and
Speaker 1: Russias Vladimir Putin had.
Speaker 2: Agreed to begin peace talks.
Speaker 1: Now, I know that there's some people that got mad
Speaker 1: at Trump for trying to make a deal happen to
Speaker 1: make peace talks go down, But let's keep in mind
Speaker 1: this is a man who literally altered the book the
Speaker 1: art of the deal, you know. But yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: people get mad at a zebra for having stripes or whatever.
Speaker 1: But Vance's address otherwise focused on culture, war issues and
Speaker 1: key themes of Trump's campaign for the US presidency, a
Speaker 1: departure from the usual security and defense discussions at the
Speaker 1: annual conference. He alleged the European Union commissars were suppressing
Speaker 1: free speech, blame the continent for mass migration, and accuse
Speaker 1: its leaders of retreating from some of its most fundamental values.
Speaker 1: The EU's foreign policy chief, Kaja Collis. I hope I'm.
Speaker 2: Pronouncing that right.
Speaker 1: Characterize Vance as trying to pick a fight with Europe,
Speaker 1: home to some of US's closest allies.
Speaker 2: I thought that that was funny.
Speaker 1: If the US wanted to pick a war with Europe,
Speaker 1: we would just do that if we were trying to
Speaker 1: pick a fight. I think this was more or less
Speaker 1: him trying to light a fire under the asses of
Speaker 1: the political elites of Europe. But I digress. Michael McFall,
Speaker 1: former US Ambassador to Russia, told Politico Vance's remarks were
Speaker 1: insulting and just empirically not true. Keep in mind, Vance
Speaker 1: said nothing negative towards Russia, but the former US ambassador
Speaker 1: to Russia spoke up and said that this was insulting.
Speaker 1: I found that to be interesting, but let's go on.
Speaker 1: Vance used his twenty minute speech to single out several
Speaker 1: European nations, including the UK.
Speaker 2: About that life, I'm good with him. He raised a
Speaker 2: legal case.
Speaker 1: In which an Army veteran who was silently praying outside
Speaker 1: an abortion clinic was convicted of breaching a one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty meters safe zone around the center.
Speaker 2: For the record, there are people that have come out
Speaker 2: and said, oh, that's not true.
Speaker 1: That's not what happened, even though there's videos of the
Speaker 1: incident and that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: This one was sitting on a bench silently, by the way.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like she was holding signs and loudly speaking
Speaker 1: in tongues and all this, you know, all that hoopla.
Speaker 1: Not even a little bit, not even a little bit.
Speaker 1: This woman, who was a veteran of the UK Army
Speaker 1: was literally silently praying. And when the police came up
Speaker 1: and asked her, are you praying to yourself? All her
Speaker 1: response was I might be, And that was enough for
Speaker 1: her to be arrested. So you know, now they're saying
Speaker 1: that's not what happened, that there was other allegations it wasn't.
Speaker 1: There wasn't, and even the police on scene have come
Speaker 1: forward and given statements that that was what happened. The
Speaker 1: fact that she was within a one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: meters save zone. By save zone they mean no religious
Speaker 1: ideologies can be within one hundred and fifty meters of
Speaker 1: an abortion clinic. Now, I'm with it for the whole
Speaker 1: separation of church and state thing, although I think that's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy that the UK would have that policy.
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of like one of their
Speaker 1: whole shticks, you know, the Church of England and all that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, all right, moving on the save zone introduced
Speaker 1: in October of twenty twenty two bands activity in favor
Speaker 1: of or against abortion services, including protests, harassment and vigils.
Speaker 1: That's also incorrect. Like if you go outside of an
Speaker 1: abortion clinic in the UK with a sign supporting abortion,
Speaker 1: I promise nobody's going to send the police after you,
Speaker 1: not even a little bit. But you know, okay, whatever.
Speaker 1: But Vans argued that the quote unquote basic liberties of
Speaker 1: religion of religious Britons in particular, were under threat. Vance
Speaker 1: went on to criticize the use of laws enforcing buffer zones,
Speaker 1: saying that free speech was in retreat and alleging that
Speaker 1: the Scottish government had warned people against private prayer within
Speaker 1: their own homes. I'm gonna go ahead and say that
Speaker 1: one more, another game, because I couldn't believe the first
Speaker 1: time I wrote it free speech was in retreat, and
Speaker 1: he alleged that Scottish government had warned people against private
Speaker 1: prayer within their own homes. Now I did do a
Speaker 1: little bit of fact checking on that, and that is
Speaker 1: not a mandate at this time. However, there are certain
Speaker 1: politicians that are trying to make that a thing.
Speaker 2: It's it's baffling to me.
Speaker 1: In response, the Scottish government said Vance's claims were incorrect
Speaker 1: and the law was carefully drafted to capture only intentional
Speaker 1: or reckless behavior close to a small number of premises premises,
Speaker 1: premises whatever, providing abortion services.
Speaker 2: Again, I that would of course be their response.
Speaker 1: Nine days before a tense national election in Germany, he
Speaker 1: touched on a heated debate in the country around mainstream
Speaker 1: political parties maintaining a so called firewall of non cooperation
Speaker 1: with the far right Alternative for Germany Germany or AfD party,
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, that would be the party
Speaker 1: that currently has control over Germany.
Speaker 2: So is it not Tony helped me out here.
Speaker 3: No, not yet. But they're pulling higher and higher every
Speaker 3: week heading into this election, and even though the official
Speaker 3: have them losing, they could pull a Donald Trump and
Speaker 3: they could actually be way higher than they're reported to be.
Speaker 3: Every week, well every couple of weeks, there's a new
Speaker 3: like immigrant crime that gets a lot of attention. Then
Speaker 3: there were two this past week, one in Munich of
Speaker 3: all places, on seidel Strasa and Dachauer Strassa coincidentally, and
Speaker 3: another one down in Austria. And every time this happens,
Speaker 3: Off Day goes up like a percent in popularity. And
Speaker 3: their leader, Alice Videal, she seems to be pretty popular.
Speaker 3: Her party might win big and if they do, the
Speaker 3: EU might try to cancel the election like they did
Speaker 3: with Romania. And I think Vance even talked about the
Speaker 3: Romania situation when he was speaking in Munich. If an
Speaker 3: election goes their way, they declare victory and keep the
Speaker 3: euro and keep the you know, the Eurocrats in power.
Speaker 3: And if it doesn't, they find a way to get
Speaker 3: around that. It's kind of a soro strategy. Keep having
Speaker 3: elections until we win, and then.
Speaker 1: You know, not if we don't, right exactly, And I
Speaker 1: mean that's the other thing too. The polls quote unquote
Speaker 1: show that the AfD is clearly not gonna win this.
Speaker 1: The quote unquote polls showed that Kamala Harris not only
Speaker 1: had a snowball's chance in hell, but was like leading
Speaker 1: for a good portion of this and then out of notewhere,
Speaker 1: Trump pulled out a landslide victory that nobody saw coming
Speaker 1: if we are to believe the polls. So it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: I got a hard time believing these things these days,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But anyway, anyway, in the
Speaker 1: decades since democracy was restored in Germany after the defeat
Speaker 1: of the Nazis, there had been a consensus among its
Speaker 1: main political parties not to work with the far right parties.
Speaker 1: And I could see that too, a little bit of
Speaker 1: enemy of my enemy as my friend thing. All the
Speaker 1: other political parties kind of allying themselves to try to
Speaker 1: stop this wave coming in.
Speaker 2: But again, this is the response to.
Speaker 1: Merkle and her policies, like shocker that the German people
Speaker 1: would have enough of that and go to the opposition
Speaker 1: of side of things. But democracy rests in the sacred
Speaker 1: principle that the voice of the people matters. Vance said,
Speaker 1: there's no room for fire walls. You either uphold the
Speaker 1: principle or you don't. The AfD's candidate for Chancellor, Alice Videl,
Speaker 1: later shared parts of his speech on x praising that
Speaker 1: as excellent. The two reportedly met afterwards, according to German
Speaker 1: public broadcaster ZDF. In his own speech, Pistorius directly addressed Vance,
Speaker 1: saying democracy was called into question by the US Vice
Speaker 1: President for the whole of Europe, which again I no
Speaker 1: lies detected. That's literally what we're talking about here. He
Speaker 1: speaks of the annihilation of democracy, he continued, and if
Speaker 1: I have understood him correctly, he is comparing conditions in
Speaker 1: parts of Europe with those in authoritarian regimes, and that
Speaker 1: is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: Even though that's quite literally what's going on here.
Speaker 1: It's also made reference to the presidential election in Romania,
Speaker 1: which was annulled in December after declassified documents suggested it
Speaker 1: had been targeted by Russian state interference. Vance told the conference,
Speaker 1: if your democracy can be destroyed with a few hundreds
Speaker 1: of dollars of digital advertising from a foreign country, then
Speaker 1: it wasn't very strong to begin with. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 1: I really like that. I really like that. Like only
Speaker 1: it wasn't even like a million dollars worth of quote
Speaker 1: unquote Russian rubles that had made its way into the
Speaker 1: political sphere of Romania. And if that was enough to
Speaker 1: sway the entire election, then either a your people were
Speaker 1: seriously on the fence to begin with, or be the
Speaker 1: political parties really don't have much of a foothold within
Speaker 1: the country. Romanian Prime Minister Marcel Si Salu Silaosu sure
Speaker 1: said his country remains a defender of the democratic values
Speaker 1: that Europe shares with the USA. You know how to
Speaker 1: pronounce that word, tony, No, I do not. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: about to say bro. If you do, please help me here.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of vowels and consonans on that shit.
Speaker 1: I don't speak Romanian, all right, A quote here. All
Speaker 1: Romanian authorities are committed to organising whatever, organizing free and
Speaker 1: fair elections by empowering citizens and guaranteeing the freedom to vote,
Speaker 1: he wrote on x Vance later met with the Ukrainian
Speaker 1: President Vladimir Zelenski on the sidelines of the conference, which
Speaker 1: has otherwise mainly focused on Russia's full scale invasion. Zelenski
Speaker 1: said during the meeting that more work was needed on
Speaker 1: planning to end the fighting, while Vance said the pair
Speaker 1: shared a fruitful conversation. Trump said US, Russia and Ukrainian
Speaker 1: officials would meet in Munich, but Moscow has said it
Speaker 1: is not sending a delegation to the summit, So a
Speaker 1: lot of things to kind of unpack there, especially because
Speaker 1: Trump also just recently called Zelensky a mid tier comedian
Speaker 1: who's best this attribute is playing Joe Biden like a fiddle.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and listen in on that one real quick, but.
Speaker 4: A modestly successful comedian. President Zelenski talked the United States
Speaker 4: of America into spending three hundred and fifty billion dollars
Speaker 4: to go into a war that basically couldn't be one
Speaker 4: that never had to start and never would have started
Speaker 4: if I was president, not even a chance, and it
Speaker 4: didn't start for four years. He refuses have elections. Is
Speaker 4: low in the real Ukrainian polls. I mean, how can
Speaker 4: you be high with every city is being demolished.
Speaker 5: It's hard to be.
Speaker 4: Somebody said, oh no, his polls are good, give me
Speaker 4: a break. Every city's being demolished. They looked like a
Speaker 4: demolition site, every single one of them. And the only
Speaker 4: thing he was really good at was playing Joe Biden
Speaker 4: like a fiddle. He played him like a fiddle. That's
Speaker 4: an expression we use, yes, sir, to say that he's
Speaker 4: pretty easy. Pretty easy something all admit that only Trump
Speaker 4: is going to be able to do. When the Trump admen,
Speaker 4: we're going to be able to do it. I think
Speaker 4: Putin even admitted.
Speaker 2: That Biden never tried.
Speaker 4: Europe has failed to bring peace, and Zolensky probably wants to.
Speaker 4: Maybe he wants to keep the gravy train going. I
Speaker 4: don't know what's the problem, but he hasn't been able.
Speaker 4: He's very upset that he wasn't invited. He could have
Speaker 4: come if he wanted to, but that he wasn't invited
Speaker 4: to Saudi Arabia. But he's been working for three years,
Speaker 4: has never been even meeting so phone calls to stop
Speaker 4: this war. It's a horrible thing. I love Ukraine, but
Speaker 4: Zolensky has done a terrible job. His country is shattered
Speaker 4: and millions and millions of people have unnecessarily died. And
Speaker 4: you can't bring a war to an end if you
Speaker 4: don't talk to both sides.
Speaker 1: You got to talk.
Speaker 4: They haven't been talking for three years.
Speaker 2: No lies detected. To be completely honest with y'all.
Speaker 1: Uh, everybody who has an opinion on this, please weigh in.
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of things that were
Speaker 1: said from JD. Trump pretty much called Zelensky again, a
Speaker 1: moderately successful comedian who is kind of I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: say ran Ukraine into the ground by any means. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know of anybody who would have done a
Speaker 1: necessarily better job, because again I'm not like, I don't
Speaker 1: have my finger on the pulse of Ukrainian politics by
Speaker 1: any means. But I will say that his main racket
Speaker 1: has been trying to get as much money sent to
Speaker 1: Ukraine as possible from every country that's willing to write
Speaker 1: a check. You know, the military aid. I understood rockets, tanks, weapons,
Speaker 1: these things. At least I could understand. I could put
Speaker 1: the pieces together in my mind as to why they
Speaker 1: would need that. And now they're saying something around one
Speaker 1: hundred billion US dollars have just evaporated. They they don't
Speaker 1: really know what happened to this actual money. You know,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 3: Well, my thought going back a few years is Zelenski
Speaker 3: used to be regarded as a relatively pro Russian politician
Speaker 3: in Ukraine back in twenty seventeen when he was elected
Speaker 3: because he was replacing Petro Poroshenko and another guy ur
Speaker 3: Senni yachts and yuk who were bigger Ukrainian nationalists than
Speaker 3: he was. But he's definitely gotten. He's moved in the
Speaker 3: more Ukrainian nationalist direction. I was listening to a podcast
Speaker 3: today with a guy named Stormy Waters talking about the
Speaker 3: internal politics inside Ukraine and how they're sitting on a
Speaker 3: lot of minerals. And there's different rich oligarchs within Ukraine
Speaker 3: like Ihor Kolomoyski who kind of have grown in their
Speaker 3: ability to control Zelenski over all this time. And Zelenski
Speaker 3: at the very beginning of this war in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: two in March, wanted to meet with Putin in Ankara
Speaker 3: or Istanbul to negotiate a peace agreement, but the British
Speaker 3: wouldn't let him. Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and told
Speaker 3: him not to go. And the entire Western European establishment
Speaker 3: Zelenski have a really dug in their heels, just fighting
Speaker 3: Russia as hard as they can, trying to get their
Speaker 3: old territory back, which you're never going to get back,
Speaker 3: and the minerals that it's sitting on because the US
Speaker 3: has lent them a couple hundred billion dollars. Trump said
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty billion. I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: that high. I know it's been at least one hundred billion,
Speaker 3: But how are they going to pay it back? Supposedly
Speaker 3: with minerals. Another way they've been paying it back is
Speaker 3: by allowing Americans and other foreigners to buy Ukrainian farmland.
Speaker 3: So Archer, Daniels, Midland and DuPont and Monsanto have now
Speaker 3: bought more Ukrainian agricultural land than all of the disputed
Speaker 3: territories put together, which is like, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 3: ten percent of Ukrainian's Ukrainian territory. So it's Ukraine's been
Speaker 3: bought by the West, and I think that's bad for
Speaker 3: them and bad for us, bad for everybody, and we
Speaker 3: need to get this war ended. So I'm fully in
Speaker 3: favor of Trump doing everything you can't to do that.
Speaker 3: You've asked in the past about why Western Europe supports
Speaker 3: this war against Russia so much, and Stormy had some
Speaker 3: opinions on that too. He thinks that Britain is in
Speaker 3: danger of a sovereign debt default, and he thinks that's
Speaker 3: part of the reason why the COVID panic was forced
Speaker 3: on the world by the Anglo sphere, because if you're
Speaker 3: gonna have a debt default, you have to have some
Speaker 3: kind of crisis to distract everybody and shut down the economy,
Speaker 3: or you have to have a big war. So they
Speaker 3: already did the former, and now they're trying to do
Speaker 3: the latter by upping the chances of war against Russia.
Speaker 3: Britain and France both have both discussed sending troops to Ukraine,
Speaker 3: and Germany has tried to veto it with whatever power
Speaker 3: they have in NATO and in the EU. So go
Speaker 3: Germany on that front. Germany former East Germany is relatively
Speaker 3: pro Russia because I guess they were owned by Russia
Speaker 3: for a while. Not really, they weren't part of the
Speaker 3: Soviet Union, but they were part of the Warsaw Pact,
Speaker 3: and the pro Russia feelings there are still pretty high,
Speaker 3: are they. The Germans who I've ever known personally are
Speaker 3: in the West, and they all have hated Russia for
Speaker 3: a long time, so I actually kind of part company
Speaker 3: with them on that issue.
Speaker 1: I know that a lot of I mean, Germany is
Speaker 1: a very diverse country. I know when an American thinks
Speaker 1: of Germany, we think of a very unified people, and
Speaker 1: of course we think of the World War II, you know,
Speaker 1: tism that goes along with it, and I get that fine.
Speaker 1: It were kind of a it was kind of a
Speaker 1: big talking point for a long time, right, fair enough,
Speaker 1: But the Cold War pretty much separated Germany. I know
Speaker 1: Berlin was separated into two, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: had very differing opinions on which side of the capitalists
Speaker 1: versus communist ideations they really fell on. I didn't know
Speaker 1: if Germany is pro or anti Russia these days. To
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I don't think that. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't think Germany as a whole are concerned about Putin
Speaker 1: invading their land like that. That's not a concern by
Speaker 1: any means, right of this whole thing of like, well,
Speaker 1: if we don't stop.
Speaker 2: Putin in Ukraine, he's just gonna keep going.
Speaker 1: I don't think Germany really feels that way. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are some people that go along with that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of the politicians talk that way. Uh And
Speaker 3: but among the Western Germans I've ever talked to, they
Speaker 3: have overall negative opinions about Russians. It's kind of similar
Speaker 3: to American right wing anglo opinions against you know, Mexican stereotypes.
Speaker 3: They're lazy, they're criminals, and they're alcoholics. That's what West
Speaker 3: Germans tend to think about Russians. I thought, yeah, about
Speaker 3: the polls, I don't know a little similar, like they
Speaker 3: consider Slavs to be kind of the way American right
Speaker 3: wing anglos consider Mexicans and Hispanics.
Speaker 2: I've learned that too.
Speaker 1: Apparently Polish man is Europe's Flora Man. There's a news
Speaker 1: article for every single day of the year, just like
Speaker 1: Florida Man, and you look up name the date and
Speaker 1: there's some crazy news article about Florida man doing some wildness.
Speaker 1: Apparently Polish man has the exact same thing. That's Europe's
Speaker 1: Florida come to find out. So, and I've never understood
Speaker 1: the racism towards the Polox, like why there was so
Speaker 1: much stigma towards certain European.
Speaker 2: Nations against them and all these cause.
Speaker 1: I've never I don't think I've ever met a Polish
Speaker 1: person that was like a bad person or would embrace
Speaker 1: any of these stereotypes.
Speaker 2: But apparently, like you said, kind of the.
Speaker 1: Fat, lazy, uh, trashy, alcoholic and all these things. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that really like the Polish stereotype, because
Speaker 1: I mean, apparently that's the Russian stereotype. You know, boris
Speaker 1: over here wearing his top and bottom matching a Didas
Speaker 1: track suit with a wife white beater with a gold
Speaker 1: chain and a cigarette hanging out the mouth. That's the
Speaker 1: Russian stereotype, you know what I mean. But apparently Poland's
Speaker 1: like got a whole nother vibe on that one too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Historically, I guess all those negative stereotypes applied pull on.
Speaker 3: But in the modern day, I think a lot of
Speaker 3: Western liberals really don't like Poland for the same reason
Speaker 3: they don't like Hungary, which is Poland is a little
Speaker 3: less pro immigrant and a little more right wing. Poland
Speaker 3: is very Catholic for the same reason the Irish for
Speaker 3: Catholic because their neighbors aren't, and they don't like their neighbors, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, I get that now, So all the stereotypes
Speaker 1: that go along with that ands they kind of spawn
Speaker 1: into their own flavoring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I get this.
Speaker 1: Jesus. It's very weird when you see racism, like between
Speaker 1: the same ethnicity of people. Well, I want to say
Speaker 1: that because they'll get mad at that one. I guess
Speaker 1: because in America we look at racism with very much
Speaker 1: skin color depends on the racism right. Europe is not
Speaker 1: that case. White people be hating white people for a
Speaker 1: whole other reasons in Europe, and it's pretty entertaining from
Speaker 1: you know, third party looking at it. You know, long
Speaker 1: standing feuds, centuries old feuds that are still prevalent today,
Speaker 1: but just take on modern adaptations. It's yeah, like Hungary,
Speaker 1: for instance, I feel like most people don't even acknowledge
Speaker 1: that it's like still a country anymore, but it absolutely is.
Speaker 1: And they have a whole other plethora of problems along
Speaker 1: with Romania. Who would have thought that Romania had any
Speaker 1: of these issues. But apparently Russia threw a couple hundred
Speaker 1: k in their direction and rigged an election by like
Speaker 1: a couple of hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Speaker 2: That's also pretty hysterical to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like another Russia Gate controversy. And mainly
Speaker 3: the Western liberals just don't like the candidate who was
Speaker 3: gonna win, so they call them a Russian asset and
Speaker 3: get the election canceled.
Speaker 2: M I see that. Now.
Speaker 1: As far as the whole free speech thing that JD
Speaker 1: was talking about, I gotta say a lot of the
Speaker 1: sore that I looked at in Europe. Of course. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at a mainstream media, they're gonna say
Speaker 1: they totally have free speech.
Speaker 2: But that is not the case.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know for sure that anything within the
Speaker 1: British Commonwealth do not actually have freedom of speech, freedom
Speaker 1: of religion, and freedom of speech and these types of
Speaker 1: things that Americans really take for granted. A lot of
Speaker 1: European countries do not have that. I mean, sure, this
Speaker 1: chick silently praying close enough to an abortion clinic, like okay, fine,
Speaker 1: people want to throw shade at that, even though she,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, really wasn't doing anything wrong. She was
Speaker 1: sitting there with her eyes closed. That that was the situation,
Speaker 1: and the police arrested her for it because she said,
Speaker 1: I might be when they asked her if she's praying
Speaker 1: to herself, she could have. That could have been just
Speaker 1: her being a dick, like you know what I mean, like,
Speaker 1: are you causing any problems? I might be like that.
Speaker 1: That could have just been her being sarcastic. She was
Speaker 1: arrested one hundred percent for that, and uh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of a growing consensus as well. In European countries,
Speaker 1: although if any of the Arabic migrants want to loudly
Speaker 1: proclaim their faith regardless of where they're at, they're somehow
Speaker 1: politically protected. That's a whole other stick right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd say that's true. But Europe's never had
Speaker 3: free speech, and it's kind of shocking to Americans, kind
Speaker 3: of like they've never had gun rights except Czechia used
Speaker 3: to chech Czechoslovakia or Czechia way back in the sixteen
Speaker 3: hundreds was the first place with a right to bear arms.
Speaker 3: But in Europe in general, they've never had free speech.
Speaker 3: I remember I actually took my honeymoon there with my
Speaker 3: wife back in twenty twelve, and I was reading the
Speaker 3: newspapers in Germany and there was some controversy about somebody
Speaker 3: burning a kran somewhere, and the newspaper asking people for
Speaker 3: their opinions. Should this be forbidden to post on the internet,
Speaker 3: And the slight majority opinion was yes, it should be
Speaker 3: illegal to post this on the internet. Nobody arguing about
Speaker 3: First Amendment. They don't know what the First Amendment is,
Speaker 3: they've never had anything like that. They think it's totally
Speaker 3: legitimate to ban wrong opinions, and everybody's got their own
Speaker 3: idea of what a wrong opinion is, and when they
Speaker 3: get in power, they want to impose that idea.
Speaker 1: But if they have a group of flying an Isis
Speaker 1: flag and burning Bibles or burning you know, any other
Speaker 1: type of religious book, well, you know, that's just their culture.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if that's happened. Maybe it has.
Speaker 3: But one country that burns the most Kurans, you might
Speaker 3: not guess it is Saudi Arabia because lots of people
Speaker 3: go there for the Hodj, which is required for Muslims
Speaker 3: to do. It's in Mecca. Everyone's got to go there
Speaker 3: once in their life. And there's only one approved Koranic version.
Speaker 3: It's called the Hoffs version of the Arabic Koran, and
Speaker 3: it was ratified in nineteen twenty four, surprising it took
Speaker 3: that long. But people will come and with Qurans written
Speaker 3: in far See or any other language, and the Saudist
Speaker 3: will just burn it. And apparently that's the respectful way
Speaker 3: to get rid of it, kind of like the respectful
Speaker 3: way to get rid of the US flag is to
Speaker 3: burn it properly. But yeah, you know, it's a whole
Speaker 3: question of intent behind burning both of those items.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So speaking about the burning of the US flag,
Speaker 1: I actually did that with my kids two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of actually like three different American
Speaker 1: flags and two Marine Corps flags that I fly both
Speaker 1: in front of my house at all times, and they
Speaker 1: had gotten tattered and weathered as you do. And I
Speaker 1: showed my children the proper way to dispose of US flags.
Speaker 1: You have to cut them up a certain way, and
Speaker 1: you have to do certain things and all this. And
Speaker 1: one of their friends came over, is like, you're burning
Speaker 1: a flag, and I had to like explain to them, like, no, no,
Speaker 1: this is the correct, respectful way of putting to rest
Speaker 1: this article in this symbol of America. So I could
Speaker 1: understand the burning of the Quran and that way if
Speaker 1: it's being done respectfully and with that intention. But talking
Speaker 1: about burning Korans, you hear a lot of people who
Speaker 1: will say that, like, you know, the Bible, for instance,
Speaker 1: as a book that has so many different translations and
Speaker 1: there's so many different versions and all of these things,
Speaker 1: well you don't have that with the Koran.
Speaker 2: There's one version that's only made it through them bu
Speaker 2: By Buck.
Speaker 1: The reason why would be a caliph Uffmann I in Afan,
Speaker 1: He ordered the burning of all other copies of the
Speaker 1: Koran after he finished his own version. This was during
Speaker 1: the Third calif He literally just sent one of his
Speaker 1: generals out to find every other version of the Quran
Speaker 1: in existence and get rid of them, get rid of
Speaker 1: him because he was the only one that had any
Speaker 1: kind of actual insight to the prophet, allegedly. And that's
Speaker 1: just the way it is now. And so yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy how they almost had the exact same situation
Speaker 1: that the Christians have, but they just decided to consolidate
Speaker 1: it and unify it way early on. And that's the
Speaker 1: version that everybody's going into now. And that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. I didn't know they were burning it
Speaker 1: in different religions. Are a different religiouscuse me?
Speaker 3: In different languages languages, yes, But there are no euthmonic
Speaker 3: Qurans that have survived to the present day. That's one
Speaker 3: issue for them to claim that it's never changed. And
Speaker 3: another issue is that there are several different Arabic versions
Speaker 3: that survived up until nineteen twenty four and in a
Speaker 3: few parts of North Africa and other places you can
Speaker 3: still get the other versions. Besides the Hofs version, there's
Speaker 3: one called the Warsh version, and there's actually like thirty
Speaker 3: of them. So yeah, it's not true that not one
Speaker 3: letter has been changed, which they will claim. They also
Speaker 3: claim that the Koran exists in heaven on golden tablets,
Speaker 3: which is why Joseph Smith was accused of being an
Speaker 3: American Muhammed. He was making very similar claims about golden tablets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Joseph Smith kind of he did the same thing
Speaker 1: that Mohammad kind of did, if we really want to
Speaker 1: get technical about it. He took a little from this group,
Speaker 1: a little from that group and kind of made its
Speaker 1: own amalgamation and kind of ran with it. He wasn't
Speaker 1: the warlord type that Mohammed was. He waited till his
Speaker 1: pre his protege of Brigham Young, and he went on
Speaker 1: the war path and just slaughtered people.
Speaker 2: Have y'all seen that show on Netflix?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't, but I read a little bit about
Speaker 3: how they would dress up as Indians and lead other
Speaker 3: settler people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, American Primeval and they did such a good job
Speaker 1: of portraying the truth of what Brigham Young was doing
Speaker 1: that the Mormon church had to come out and protest
Speaker 1: it and try to dispel it in some way. But
Speaker 1: the more they tried to dispel it, the more they
Speaker 1: had to acknowledge the fact of the matter that the
Speaker 1: Mormon faith, the Church of Latter day Saints, was essentially
Speaker 1: trying to have their own country in Utah. They weren't
Speaker 1: trying to be a state of the United States. They
Speaker 1: were trying to be their own sovereign territory all under
Speaker 1: h the Prophet and then bring them young. Even though
Speaker 1: the Prophet was kicked out of his own land and
Speaker 1: then gunned down in the top story of a building,
Speaker 1: which I think that's like a religious site to them
Speaker 1: these days.
Speaker 2: I forget where it was.
Speaker 1: Where he was, uh he was killed, but I know
Speaker 1: a lot of Mormons try to pilgrimage their way to
Speaker 1: that site, and the people that live in that city
Speaker 1: these days like freaking hate them and like do what
Speaker 1: they can to dissuade them from coming there. It's uh,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy. It's pretty crazy. But yeah, he was
Speaker 1: kind of the in that regard. I would say he's
Speaker 1: kind of the modern Mohammed. You know, take a little
Speaker 1: bit from this pagan tribe, take a little bit from
Speaker 1: this mythos, take a little bit from this religious book,
Speaker 1: take a little bit from the Bible, same as Mohammad did,
Speaker 1: and just kind of run with it and make it
Speaker 1: your own man. And and just uh, you know, kill
Speaker 1: anybody that disagrees with you. You'll just you'll be shocked
Speaker 1: at how your flock will grow.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wild things. Ah So all right, So that's uh,
Speaker 1: that's pretty much is where I wanted to go with
Speaker 1: the European side things. I got a couple of things
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up as far as the continent
Speaker 1: of Africa was concerned. But before we jump on that,
Speaker 1: anything that any of y'all would like to bring up
Speaker 1: at this time. We have a few people in this
Speaker 1: group this evening.
Speaker 3: Maybe I want to talk about the three Secrets of Fatma.
Speaker 3: We could do that later. I've talked enough so far.
Speaker 2: Okay, what you got there, Royce?
Speaker 5: No, so, I just I sent a link basically to
Speaker 5: a Newsweek article that AOC got herself in some hot
Speaker 5: water because she tried to post a video to illegal
Speaker 5: immigrants on how to avoid ice, and mister Holmand was
Speaker 5: not so happy about it. And like the news article
Speaker 5: basically essentially said that he doesn't know if the DJ
Speaker 5: should actually press charges on her. Wow, so I thought
Speaker 5: that was I thought that was actually pretty ironic.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's just read it together. Why not AOC who for
Speaker 1: the It's still it blows my mind that actual adults
Speaker 1: voted this human being into some sort of a political
Speaker 1: position like that. That shocks me, deserves me, It makes
Speaker 1: me sad. But she is still currently there currently. We
Speaker 1: shall see how the future plays out here. But AOC
Speaker 1: under investigation over illegal immigration is a Newsweek article borders are,
Speaker 1: Which Jesus Christ, is that still.
Speaker 2: A title that we're running with.
Speaker 1: I know that was Kamala's title at one point that
Speaker 1: she later said was never her title or whatever, But like,
Speaker 1: that's hilarious that that's a real position in the United
Speaker 1: States government. But all right, borders are or Tom Horne
Speaker 1: haman Homan whatever, suggested that Homan all rights are? Tom
Speaker 1: Homan suggested Representative Alexandria Ascario Cortes, the bartender that got
Speaker 1: Lucky is being investigated by the Department of Justice for
Speaker 1: potentially impeding immigration enforcement law. AOC host d a live
Speaker 1: webinar on Wednesday advising migrants in her congressional district about
Speaker 1: their rights if they come into contact with Immigration and
Speaker 1: Customs enforcement or ICE agents looking to deport them.
Speaker 2: Impediment is impediment. In my opinion, impediment is impediment.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm mispronouncing that, home In told
Speaker 1: Fox News asked, he questioned whether her behavior was crossing
Speaker 1: the line. She's standing in front of the Capitol building
Speaker 1: with a sign saying hashtag asylum is a right.
Speaker 2: Okay, political asylum.
Speaker 1: Yes, we should offer that to neighboring countries who are
Speaker 1: dealing with something like Haiti. For instance. Haiti is in
Speaker 1: the middle of a like a ridiculous crisis right now.
Speaker 1: And if enough Haitian people build a boat and make
Speaker 1: it to US shores and they're trying to claim political
Speaker 1: asylum temporarily until things cool off, sure we could have
Speaker 1: that conversation of giving them a little bit of an asylum
Speaker 1: that is out what's happening on the Mexico US border
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: But okay, why it matters.
Speaker 1: Trump made a strict immigration measure a core component of
Speaker 1: his return to the White House. Along with carrying out
Speaker 1: mass deportations, his second administration has vowed to prosecute anyone
Speaker 1: who impedes their immigration enforcement operation. In that case, I
Speaker 1: really do believe that AOC should be prosecuted.
Speaker 2: What to know?
Speaker 1: The Know Your Rights with ICE virtual event was streamed
Speaker 1: live on AOC's Facebook page, providing migrant viewers with information
Speaker 1: on handling ICE search requests and of officers arrive at
Speaker 1: their homes or workplace. The fifty four minute live stream
Speaker 1: was designed to inform migrants living in her fourteenth district,
Speaker 1: which encompasses Areas of Queens and the Bronx, of their rights.
Speaker 1: She is so far away from the border that it
Speaker 1: shocks me that this is even a talking point for her.
Speaker 1: But okay, she says, quote believe it or not, in America,
Speaker 1: everyone has rights. She wrote this on X on Thursday,
Speaker 1: sharing a guide on the legal rights undocumented migrants have.
Speaker 1: For the record, they are undocumented immigrants. They have no
Speaker 1: rights in America. Just throwing that out. Yes, there are
Speaker 1: certain inalienable rights to all humans, and I will give
Speaker 1: you that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But
Speaker 1: if they're not in America legally, then they're breaking the law. Therefore,
Speaker 1: our Bill of Rights says that you know they are
Speaker 1: criminals by definition at that time, but anyway, Homan criticized
Speaker 1: the events and question whether it constituted obstruction of immigration enforcement.
Speaker 1: He claimed to have controlled the DJ for clarification on
Speaker 1: whether AOC's actions could be considered unlawful interference. I sent
Speaker 1: an email to the Deputy AG today. At what level
Speaker 1: is that impediment? Impediment? I don't know what it's getting
Speaker 1: in the way, right, is that impeding our law enforcement efforts?
Speaker 1: If so, what are we going to do about it?
Speaker 1: If she's crossing the line. I'm working with the DOJ
Speaker 1: to find out. Maybe AOC is going to be in
Speaker 1: trouble now, He added, AOC fire back and told the
Speaker 1: nation's top immigration official to read the US Constitution. Whoo okay,
Speaker 1: what a clapback AOC. Good, good job read the Constitution?
Speaker 1: You mean the thing that only applies to American citizens? Smart?
Speaker 2: Uh, Maybe she's going to be in trouble now.
Speaker 1: Maybe he can learn to read the Constitution would be
Speaker 1: a good place to start, she wrote on X and
Speaker 1: when all of that was like some were capital somewhere
Speaker 1: lower case. She's trying to make fun of him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Constitution would be a great place for you. To
Speaker 1: start as well, AOC to learn you know what you're
Speaker 1: trying to uphold and defend, and all the things that
Speaker 1: you said within your oath to the American people, and.
Speaker 2: All that was the webinar for migrants.
Speaker 1: Illegal hosting Know Your Rights seminars for migrants to deal
Speaker 1: with ICE is not illegal in the United States. In fact,
Speaker 1: prove providing legal education, including informing individuals of their constitutional rights,
Speaker 1: is protected under the First Amendment, which is the freedom
Speaker 1: of speech, again the first Amendment of the US. For
Speaker 1: US citizens, these typically cover essential rights including the right
Speaker 1: to remain silent, which she really should do at this time,
Speaker 1: the right to refuse consent to a search, which they
Speaker 1: don't have the right to do because they're not citizens,
Speaker 1: and what to do if ICE arrived at a home, workplace,
Speaker 1: or public space. They also provide guidance on how individuals
Speaker 1: can seek legal assistance to protect themselves and navigate immigration
Speaker 1: related encounters. Effectively, Anthony I c R hand raised Sarah
Speaker 1: get ahead.
Speaker 6: Okay, So I feel like I have to caveat this
Speaker 6: statement with I am absolutely not a fan of AOC,
Speaker 6: I am not elected, but as we're having this conversation,
Speaker 6: I feel like this is the place to have that conversation.
Speaker 6: You know, there was a sentiment raised that these people
Speaker 6: are here illegally, which I agree with. Therefore they don't
Speaker 6: have rights. So if we are going to have that mentality,
Speaker 6: where does the buck end? Because then okay, well, if
Speaker 6: you if you're if you're a criminal, you don't have rights.
Speaker 6: So are we taking away the basic human rights of
Speaker 6: people that are currently incarcerated, regardless of what they did?
Speaker 5: Like like, so.
Speaker 6: I guess like as much as I don't like this woman,
Speaker 6: I don't the convict in me does not see anything
Speaker 6: wrong with her, educating with her, educating people about their rights.
Speaker 6: In regards to dealing with federal cops, I don't trust cops.
Speaker 1: I hear them. But at the same time, a convicted felon,
Speaker 1: for instance, does forfeit certain rights, for instance, the right
Speaker 1: to bear arms.
Speaker 6: So you're right, certain rights, but not all but not
Speaker 6: all rights fair enough. So so for so for it's
Speaker 6: I'm more just thinking, ah, some you know, who's ever
Speaker 6: who's ever listening to this?
Speaker 1: Like it's a after some.
Speaker 6: Points that were that that that were made, which are valid, Like, yes,
Speaker 6: the somebody that's here, I legally they do not have
Speaker 6: all the same rights of uh a full citizen, right,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean? And yes they need to
Speaker 6: go home. But it we start getting into the slippery
Speaker 6: slope of who does, who does or doesn't have rights.
Speaker 2: I think what you're saying here, I do.
Speaker 1: But we also have to keep in mind that when
Speaker 1: even an incarcerated person in America is still a US citizen,
Speaker 1: so they have certain inalienable rights to the US citizenry.
Speaker 1: An illegal immigrant does not.
Speaker 3: A good question here what counts as due process? And
Speaker 3: how do we go about uh deporting your legal immigrants
Speaker 3: without doing it so quickly that we are risking, you know,
Speaker 3: killing them basically because a lot of them are going
Speaker 3: to exclaim I can't go back to my home country.
Speaker 3: I need asylum here because if I go back to
Speaker 3: my home country, somebody's going to kill me. And if
Speaker 3: they all say that, how do we tell which ones
Speaker 3: are telling the truth? And what's a reasonable amount of
Speaker 3: time to ascertain whether they're telling the truth or not?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that's the question here, or maybe it isn't.
Speaker 3: I think you asked a really good question, and I'm
Speaker 3: not in favor of, you know, just getting rid of
Speaker 3: everybody with no consideration for what's going to happen to them.
Speaker 3: I think some of them, some of them are being honest.
Speaker 3: I feel how much duty do we have to you know,
Speaker 3: spend time on that.
Speaker 1: But how many of them are being right throwing that out?
Speaker 1: Certain people from across the border did come here to
Speaker 1: seek asylum because maybe they have some sort of connection
Speaker 1: to cartels and they're trying to escape that life right
Speaker 1: and start a new life somewhere and all these things
Speaker 1: they're trying to get for better opportunities for them and
Speaker 1: their family.
Speaker 2: I have sympathy for this one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: At one point in time, Cuban nationals were making boats
Speaker 1: out of trash to get to America to leave the
Speaker 1: communist regime in their country because they were being killed.
Speaker 1: And okay, fine, I have sympathy for this. There is
Speaker 1: a difference between somebody seeking political asylum and or like
Speaker 1: for their lives and people that are just coming here
Speaker 1: just because they can make more money doing the same
Speaker 1: job here that they would have had elsewhere. I feel
Speaker 1: like the vast majority of them will try to say
Speaker 1: that exact sentence when I feel like most of that
Speaker 1: would be incorrect. So, like, again, how do we determine
Speaker 1: who is and is not actually a political asylum seeker
Speaker 1: or just an asylum seeker in general.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like the majority of them that get sent
Speaker 1: back to their home countries will not be killed, you know,
Speaker 1: the vast majority of them. I feel like we'll probably
Speaker 1: just be able to go back to their home cities
Speaker 1: and home villages and whatever the case is, and pick
Speaker 1: up where they left off.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Uh, Anthony, go ahead.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I just want to Uh, I always forget
Speaker 6: that legal term, but yeah, due process was was where
Speaker 6: I was going with that. Like this this conversation right here,
Speaker 6: and uh, it's it's a great conversation. But what like
Speaker 6: the way both the way.
Speaker 5: There's this.
Speaker 6: And especially like the people you know and in including myself,
Speaker 6: that are forced you know, sending people home.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 6: What I'm having a hard time with in in myself,
Speaker 6: and maybe I'm the only one right it is okay,
Speaker 6: Trump actually got in. He's doing all these things right,
Speaker 6: and it's fucking great. But now my freaking conspiracy theorist
Speaker 6: senses are going off and the warning light it's like, no,
Speaker 6: this this is too things are going so smooth. What's
Speaker 6: the setup?
Speaker 1: I feel like it could have been this easy the
Speaker 1: whole time, but nobody had the balls to do it.
Speaker 1: That everybody was saying this right. And I'm not for
Speaker 1: the record when I say they don't have rights. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they don't have basic human rights right like
Speaker 1: the kids in cages. That was deplorable, That was absolutely
Speaker 1: awful done by Obama. I might add like, we don't
Speaker 1: need that by any means. I'm not saying that once
Speaker 1: we catch a group of illegals trying to make their
Speaker 1: way across the border, we should treat them like animals.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I am saying that we should absolutely send them home.
Speaker 1: And I actually wouldn't be mad if the financial burden
Speaker 1: of sending them home falls on the country to which
Speaker 1: they came. I'm here for this one hundred percent. And yes,
Speaker 1: I understand they're trying to make a better life for themselves,
Speaker 1: but there's other places that they could have gone other
Speaker 1: than here. Besides, we have enough problems to deal with
Speaker 1: on our own. Be honest with you, I don't think
Speaker 1: that we need to send them all to jail because
Speaker 1: they're here illegally, therefore making them criminals. I believe we
Speaker 1: just need to send them home and their home countries
Speaker 1: can deal with them as they see fit. And it's
Speaker 1: not like every single country in Central America is just
Speaker 1: a full on collapsing state where it's death and destruction
Speaker 1: around every corner. There are I mean, yes, there are
Speaker 1: certain rough areas no matter where you go. Hell, we
Speaker 1: got rough areas in America. But I would argue that
Speaker 1: a lot of these countries actually have a pretty decent
Speaker 1: living situation, not the best, not first world. Although I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm pissing off some people by saying that
Speaker 1: Central America has.
Speaker 2: Tons of first world amenities.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure, But that's kind of a point,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the due process is for. Whenever you find
Speaker 1: a criminal committing a crime, how do you get rid
Speaker 1: of said criminal or how do you put that criminal
Speaker 1: to justice.
Speaker 2: If somebody is robbing a place, it's very simple.
Speaker 1: If somebody is trespassing, for instance, the answer is also
Speaker 1: pretty simple. But again, US citizens get sent to US jails.
Speaker 1: Non US citizens that are caught here illegally should be
Speaker 1: sent home. And I know, I mean, I don't believe
Speaker 1: that they have the same quote unquote rights that are
Speaker 1: granted to American citizens by our constitution.
Speaker 2: I don't know, although I do agree with you, Anthony,
Speaker 2: that this would.
Speaker 1: Be the time and place to have these types of
Speaker 1: hard conversations one hundred percent so.
Speaker 2: And it's not like I'm saying, Look, I have.
Speaker 1: A lot of buddies that are felons right and have
Speaker 1: turned their lives around and are trying to do better
Speaker 1: these days, and like they have paid their debt to society,
Speaker 1: and they should, in my opinion, have the right to
Speaker 1: vote and be able to own weapons and all these things.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with this. The problem is that
Speaker 1: that's not the way laws work. Laws are always a
Speaker 1: blanket policy, and they don't go for the case by
Speaker 1: case minority. They go for the majority. You know. I
Speaker 1: believe that's certain people should be able to pay their debt, Dessy,
Speaker 1: especially for non violent offenders. Right, Like for a nonviolent crime,
Speaker 1: why can't this person have a piece within their home
Speaker 1: to protect their home. That's ridiculous to me, But somehow
Speaker 1: that's not allowed. Although they could still own cannons. They
Speaker 1: can still absolutely own canons, even if you are a
Speaker 1: violent offender, there's nothing stopping.
Speaker 2: You from owning a home made blunderbuss throwing it out.
Speaker 3: But another big problem with immigration, and I've heard conflicting
Speaker 3: things about this, but a lot of them and their
Speaker 3: families do end up taking advantage of welfare benefits that
Speaker 3: didn't exist one hundred or one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 3: ago when those immigration ways were coming to the United States.
Speaker 3: And I've heard conflicting things about this, but the more
Speaker 3: extreme examples are somebody with an H one b comes
Speaker 3: over from India, brings like five family members, especially older
Speaker 3: family members. They all go on some kind of government assistance.
Speaker 3: They're getting snap, they're getting housing as assistance. Or for example,
Speaker 3: the group of Haitians that went to Springfield, Ohio, and
Speaker 3: they ended up making twelve dollars an hour instead of
Speaker 3: the normal sixteen, which was the previous prevailing wage, but
Speaker 3: they got all kinds of benefits provided by the state,
Speaker 3: for example housing assistants and even assistants getting cars and
Speaker 3: driver's licenses, and they never driven cars before, so there
Speaker 3: were a bunch of accidents and they really just destroyed
Speaker 3: the identity of the town. And it wasn't just these
Speaker 3: immigrants doing it. It was skilled lawyers who crafted this
Speaker 3: and saw a way to make this all work where
Speaker 3: the employer was benefiting and the lawyers were benefiting, and
Speaker 3: the immigrants were getting to live in this town and
Speaker 3: they were their critical mass. They're like, you know, a
Speaker 3: big block. Now, they're not scattered all over the country individually,
Speaker 3: but they're like their own community in this town. Now
Speaker 3: that didn't have to be that way, and they just
Speaker 3: don't belong there. I know that sounds bad, but not really.
Speaker 3: You know, some segregation in the world is okay. The
Speaker 3: world started out segregated, and you know, some blending should
Speaker 3: happen on its own pace. It shouldn't be you know,
Speaker 3: done by people deliberately stirring the pot almost literally in
Speaker 3: terms of you know, reacting people together like this.
Speaker 1: No doubt, And I'm not even for segregation. What I
Speaker 1: am saying is that a Haitian that comes to America
Speaker 1: legally gets here and does what they can and makes
Speaker 1: a life for themselves. You notice they typically they hit
Speaker 1: the ground running. They don't take a job making twelve
Speaker 1: dollars an hour. If they do, it's very temporary, so
Speaker 1: that they can go to college and get a better life.
Speaker 1: Going for themselves and then they end up killing it
Speaker 1: in the financial sector or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: A lot of foreign nationals that come here the right way,
Speaker 1: they don't come here and squander the opportunity. Then you
Speaker 1: have those that do. And there's a pretty hard dividing
Speaker 1: line between these, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know what I said. It might have
Speaker 3: sounded harsh, but I have an aunt who's Haitian and
Speaker 3: she's great. And here's let's imagine the roles were reversed.
Speaker 3: Let's say that there were like a million white Americans
Speaker 3: who moved down to Haiti and basically colonized it. The
Speaker 3: left would be saying, that's colonization, that's colonialism. You can't
Speaker 3: do that, and they would kind of be right, we
Speaker 3: don't really belong there if that's their country, And you know,
Speaker 3: lasts of numbers of them don't belong in Springfield, Ohio either,
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's another thing.
Speaker 1: When they get here, they pretty much just have to
Speaker 1: file for a driver's license and they get it. That's
Speaker 1: scary to me because when I was living in DC,
Speaker 1: I got ran off the road.
Speaker 2: I was the vice president of a motorcycle club.
Speaker 1: While I was up there, I literally went down because
Speaker 1: an Ethiopian ran me off the road. DC is surrounded
Speaker 1: by Ethiopians and Samerians, dude, and they're very proud about that.
Speaker 1: They have Ethiopian pride bumper stickers. I don't know why
Speaker 1: someone would be proud as yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Say Samarrians, but I mean Somalians.
Speaker 1: Although there's a lot of there's a lot of Arab
Speaker 1: fluence surrounding Washington, DC on all sides. I'm not even
Speaker 1: saying that on some sort of like uh, yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all sleep or.
Speaker 2: Sells, waiting on the call from the mother country.
Speaker 1: That might be the case, but like taking that down
Speaker 1: a couple of notches, Okay, fine, when they get here,
Speaker 1: they all work for taxi companies, probably never actually operating
Speaker 1: a motor vehicle in their home country. And I still
Speaker 1: to this day to understand why somebody would have an
Speaker 1: Ethiopian pride bumper sticker. You're proud to be from a
Speaker 1: country where you're known for starving your people, Like that
Speaker 1: blows my mind. And then before I left, they opened
Speaker 1: an Ethiopian restaurant, Like I have no idea what the
Speaker 1: fuck they served their hopes and dreams, I guess, but
Speaker 1: like whatever, I wanted to go there before, like I left,
Speaker 1: but like driving by the place, the smell would hit
Speaker 1: you and I was just like, whatever they're cooking, I
Speaker 1: actually don't want any part of that.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some people that get down with it.
Speaker 1: It's same with like Indian food. Some people love that.
Speaker 1: I don't have the palette for it.
Speaker 2: It's not for me.
Speaker 1: Whatever the Ethiopians were cooking bag there, I wanted no
Speaker 1: part of it. Beside the point, Yeah, they're surrounded by this,
Speaker 1: and then you see all of these taxis, Like every
Speaker 1: day there's a new wreck, and it's always a foreigner
Speaker 1: who is driving, and it's like, bro, where'd you get
Speaker 1: your driver's at the back of a cereal box? I
Speaker 1: mean pretty much pretty much. So I mean again, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that that is the case for the Central
Speaker 1: American migrants that are making their way here. Most of them,
Speaker 1: I hope, have operated some sort of a motor vehicle
Speaker 1: in their life before. Cool, but yeah, when they get here,
Speaker 1: they kind of they colonize certain areas. And I do
Speaker 1: use that term for what it actually means. Certain political
Speaker 1: parties will make sure that they go to certain cities
Speaker 1: or to certain states, and then they're pushing to have
Speaker 1: these voter rights given to them without any kind of
Speaker 1: actual identification needed to be shown. And then they wonder
Speaker 1: why certain states are swayed in these political elections. And
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a compounding problem. It's not just
Speaker 1: the elections. It's not just the infrastructure issues. It's not
Speaker 1: just the housing. It's not just the.
Speaker 2: Welfare and the wick and all this.
Speaker 1: It is the combination of all of those to where
Speaker 1: like at a certain point, y'all, I'm with you for
Speaker 1: the due process, and I'm with you with the empathy
Speaker 1: and the sympathy for people that are coming here who
Speaker 1: left a horrible situation in their homeland. I get it,
Speaker 1: hearts and thoughts and prayers, all the things. But at
Speaker 1: what point do we decide enough's enough? And yes, that's
Speaker 1: not a comfortable transition to make that change, but it's
Speaker 1: one that I would say we desperately have been needing
Speaker 1: for years years, Like illegals have been making their way
Speaker 1: across the border for decades. This is nothing new, but
Speaker 1: it became a real, real systemic problem within the last
Speaker 1: I would just say two decades. We could. We could
Speaker 1: argue the early nineties, but even still in the early nineties,
Speaker 1: Ellian Gonzalez, when he got here, Clinton signed off on
Speaker 1: SWAT teams raiding the family home and ripping this nine
Speaker 1: year old out of a closet to send him back
Speaker 1: to Communist Cuba.
Speaker 2: His parents died in the crossing.
Speaker 1: Somehow, that same political party is now the same political
Speaker 1: party that AOC is over here trying to give people
Speaker 1: the keys to staying here illegally. There's a weird shift
Speaker 1: that has happened here in the last few decades, y'all.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, And again, I'm not saying that these
Speaker 1: people are subhuman and are not capable or deserving of
Speaker 1: basic human rights.
Speaker 2: Of course they are.
Speaker 1: We shouldn't treat them like animals, but we also have
Speaker 1: to kick them out in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: If when I was working on a construction site, on
Speaker 1: a live unit at Shell, for instance, if someone was
Speaker 1: on site without their proper identification, they could be arrested.
Speaker 2: Is that wrong? They're a free inhabitant of America. What
Speaker 2: do you mean they can't be on this American land?
Speaker 1: Yeah, except that's privately owned and you can't be there
Speaker 1: without your twig and without your card and all these things.
Speaker 1: Same with this. I understand that it's just a patch
Speaker 1: of dirt, but it's the American patch of dirt. And
Speaker 1: if you don't have American credentials or some sort of
Speaker 1: authorization to be here, you see what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just the way it.
Speaker 3: Is, something like quadrupled under Biden too. They know what
Speaker 3: they're doing. They know they're getting a new population in
Speaker 3: here that's going to vote for them, and they don't
Speaker 3: care if that disrupts the amount of philia in our
Speaker 3: society that actually holds us together. It's more about just
Speaker 3: getting new voters, getting temporary economic output, and you know,
Speaker 3: appeasing certain special interest groups. That's all they really care about.
Speaker 1: I have no problem with migrants, especially those from Latin America.
Speaker 1: Their food is the best ever, their music, their culture,
Speaker 1: all of these things.
Speaker 3: You ever had an authentic street taco bro probably seen
Speaker 3: that meme?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's true. Have you ever had authentic by Soley?
Speaker 5: Know?
Speaker 2: That's some life changing shit right there. But at the
Speaker 2: same time.
Speaker 3: I make do you yeah? Every several times.
Speaker 1: I gotta say Miss Maria back where I used to work,
Speaker 1: she would come in with the tamales once every couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and I would buy a dozen off of
Speaker 1: hers so fast. They were so good and so spicy,
Speaker 1: and they would hurt me, but it was a hurting
Speaker 1: of love, if you will. But my point is, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't do that to this mass. If everybody comes
Speaker 1: here legally, then I have no problems. America is, if
Speaker 1: nothing else, a melting pot. Okay, I have no problems
Speaker 1: with America not being so white anymore. Okay, fine, If
Speaker 1: that is the way that the times are shifting, then
Speaker 1: that's the way the times are shifting.
Speaker 2: I'm good with it.
Speaker 1: But we cannot have it on this scale illegally, because
Speaker 1: whenever we do this. I had an economics professor that
Speaker 1: was actually showing this example. He had a bunch of
Speaker 1: jars with gumballs, and he was essentially showing whenever the
Speaker 1: jar is at this capacity, it only has enough room
Speaker 1: for so many gumballs, and it could fit things the
Speaker 1: right way, and if you're trying to fit more gumballs in,
Speaker 1: we have to go for a bigger jar.
Speaker 2: So we got a bigger jar, and things progress and
Speaker 2: progress and progressed.
Speaker 1: But the problem is if you're adding one at a time,
Speaker 1: or two at a time, or whatever the case is,
Speaker 1: the jar is able to hold that. Whenever you dump
Speaker 1: a five gallon bucket of gumballs into this jar, it's
Speaker 1: never going to work efficiently. It's not going to happen.
Speaker 1: That is currently what's going on. Our infrastructure is not
Speaker 1: designed to hold this many migrants at this capacity, at
Speaker 1: this rate, so we have to do something to stop it.
Speaker 2: The dose situation is another.
Speaker 1: Example of this. It's an uncomfortable shift for a lot
Speaker 1: of people, right, a lot of politicians anyway, and they
Speaker 1: see it as too many changes, too fast, and what's
Speaker 1: the ramifications and what's this?
Speaker 2: And I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, if drastic changes don't happen now,
Speaker 1: we will not have the ability to make these changes
Speaker 1: in the future.
Speaker 2: That's the math be math in on this.
Speaker 1: But I do agree with you, Anthony, that it seems
Speaker 1: to be a lot in a very short amount of time,
Speaker 1: too much, too fast. Some might say, However, for my
Speaker 1: own for my own math and my own economy and
Speaker 1: my own personal opinions on it, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: actually long overdue. So I mean, you know, this newsweek
Speaker 1: article continues to say, many organizations, including the ACLU, immigrant
Speaker 1: rights groups, and legal aid societies routinely conduct know your
Speaker 1: Rights training to help migrants understand their legal rights. As
Speaker 1: long as these sessions do not involve harboring undocumented individuals
Speaker 1: or obstructing law enforcement operations, they are entirely legal. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm very curious what she said on this hour long
Speaker 1: Facebook seminar thing that wouldn't have been involving harboring undocumented
Speaker 1: individuals or obstructing law enforcement operations, because I feel like
Speaker 1: that was kind of the main talking points of what
Speaker 1: she was going for. I could be so wrong here,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Experts note that while sharing general information
Speaker 1: is lawful, actively advising individuals to evade law enforcement could
Speaker 1: potentially raise legal concerns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: The implications of alerting others to potential ice activity depend
Speaker 1: on how the information is shared. According to Bennett Gershman,
Speaker 1: a professor at Pace University's Law School, free speech protections
Speaker 1: allow residents to discuss law enforcement in their neighborhoods. Residents
Speaker 1: to discuss law enforcement in their neighborhoods language that actively
Speaker 1: encourages evasion of authority could be constructed as obstruction of justice.
Speaker 2: I agree with this, dude.
Speaker 1: Gershman told Newsweek that's saying I hear that the Ice
Speaker 1: agents may be coming around is generally protected. Fair enough, right,
Speaker 1: little who do who the cops are in the neighborhood?
Speaker 1: I get that, Okay, little heads up, little red flag. However,
Speaker 1: he said, the words tips or warnings might readily be
Speaker 1: seen as an obstruction of justice and make the tipster
Speaker 1: subject to criminal liability. I suppose saying something more generally
Speaker 1: like quote, I hear the Ice agents may be coming
Speaker 1: around our neighborhood soon or something like that doesn't sound
Speaker 1: like a warning or a tip. That might be more defensible,
Speaker 1: even though the person speaking might mean it as a warning. Okay,
Speaker 1: So they're talking about what you can say that will
Speaker 1: legally skirt the legal precedence here, and which terms will
Speaker 1: absolutely be like, Hey, there's gonna be is Satan's doing
Speaker 1: a raid on this location at this time and this date. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might be a little different.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: In any case, there is the frightening possibility that people
Speaker 1: thinking they're doing the right thing and the humanitarian thing
Speaker 1: in trying to protect friends and neighbors from getting arrested
Speaker 1: might themselves wind up in jail. So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking nonviolent crimes here. Let's say hypothetically, you have
Speaker 1: a neighbor that's running a trap house next door, throwing
Speaker 1: it out here, and you know for sure that it's
Speaker 1: a trap house. There's no gun shots going off, and
Speaker 1: somehow it's a safe trap house and you never even
Speaker 1: see robberies happening or anything like that. But you got
Speaker 1: a friend who's a cop, and he lets you know, Hey,
Speaker 1: by the way, if you see our cars outside tomorrow,
Speaker 1: don't worry, it's just us raiding your neighbor. We know
Speaker 1: it's a trap house. You going and alerting your neighbor
Speaker 1: that they're about to raid his home? Are you being
Speaker 1: a homie about it? For sure, no doubt, okay. But
Speaker 1: also if you do that, you might be criminally liable
Speaker 1: for obstructing justice. And I mean, like, if you're going
Speaker 1: to be a homie like that, be prepared to face
Speaker 1: the consequences for that. And I mean, that's cool if
Speaker 1: that's the route that you want to go with it.
Speaker 1: But at the same time that, I mean, the cops
Speaker 1: shouldn't tip you off. That's why these operations go down
Speaker 1: the way they do. But yeah, that's that would be
Speaker 1: kind of the legal precedence for this type of situation.
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?
Speaker 3: Yeah? This reminds me of two two things. This reminds
Speaker 3: me of how sometimes cops have pulled over people who
Speaker 3: flash their brights or honk their horns to alert others
Speaker 3: to speed traps. Yeah, that's kind of been challenge. But
Speaker 3: this also reminds me of the Sovereign Citizen movement advising
Speaker 3: people to break the law.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm gonna be honest with you, I've been doing
Speaker 1: so much research into that group because of the episode
Speaker 1: that we're about to shoot about it. I don't I
Speaker 1: am not happy with the things that I have found
Speaker 1: about this soft Set movement, because I don't want it
Speaker 1: to come across like I am being demeaning to people
Speaker 1: who support that movement or anything. What I'll say is
Speaker 1: that you can't look at that movement without finding it's
Speaker 1: really really disgusting past and the people who founded it,
Speaker 1: the people that promoted its ideals, and certain things like
Speaker 1: the straw Man for instance, that whole thing it was
Speaker 1: created by a neo Nazi, and that's not even like
Speaker 1: a joke like he was associated with multiple white supremacist groups.
Speaker 1: Then no, man, I don't want to give away too much.
Speaker 1: He went to jail and pretty much was telling minority
Speaker 1: groups about it, hoping to get them arrested for breaking
Speaker 1: the law because he knew that this was illegal from
Speaker 1: the beginning. And it's we're gonna talk about it on
Speaker 1: the episode on the Culture Conspiracy.
Speaker 2: It's it's wild.
Speaker 1: But I will say, doing the research for it, I
Speaker 1: feel like I've actually lost brain cells and IQ points
Speaker 1: through it. It's it's a it's a whole thing. It's
Speaker 1: a whole thing. But yeah, anyway, what people are saying, uh,
Speaker 1: Genia Blasser blass A, I don't know of Immigrant Defense
Speaker 1: Project already off to a great start here, says quote.
Speaker 1: Just because someone ends up on ICE radar and ICE
Speaker 1: believes that they can deport someone, it doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: under the law the person can be deported or that
Speaker 1: they don't have the option to fight their case to remain.
Speaker 2: In the US. Okay, they do have the ability to
Speaker 2: fight their case. I just have a hard time.
Speaker 1: Believing it's gonna go the way they think it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: But I you know, everybody does their day in court,
Speaker 1: and if you're caught breaking the law or being here illegally, sure,
Speaker 1: should we put this person in jail and then wait
Speaker 1: time months, possibly years before they're seen by a judge
Speaker 1: to hear every single case to see if you know
Speaker 1: this person has a real reason to be here. If
Speaker 1: they don't, sure, that's fine. Our prison population is already
Speaker 1: really overpopulated right now. I don't think that we have
Speaker 1: the proper facilities for that, big man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It seems like that would be more wasteful spending of
Speaker 1: tax dollars to try to house people in prison cells,
Speaker 1: which will only make prison gangs get even more dangerous
Speaker 1: and more deadly. Yeah, I just I can't see that
Speaker 1: working out positively. I see the net positive and best
Speaker 1: option available would just be mass deportations rather than mass incarcerations. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to start building whole new jails, which
Speaker 1: at that point be more like concentration camps to properly
Speaker 1: house the illegal undocumented migrants until they get their day
Speaker 1: in court. That's just gonna cost more money and more
Speaker 1: time and more resources. I don't I don't see that
Speaker 1: as a net positive. Even though she continues, and even
Speaker 1: if during an encounter with eyes, what they're doing doesn't
Speaker 1: feel legal or it doesn't feel fair, it's important to
Speaker 1: know that everyone has rights during their encounters with ice. Yes,
Speaker 1: basic human rights. I agree, Like, you can't just kill
Speaker 1: them on site because they're here illegally. That's not kosher,
Speaker 1: that's not cool.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Blaster says, everyone has rights regardless of their immigration status
Speaker 1: in the United States. Again, the basic human rights for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure, But that doesn't mean they have the right
Speaker 1: to a fair and speedy you know, jury or court
Speaker 1: or it's I don't know. I'm not a lawyer, so
Speaker 1: I don't know where exactly the legal law or the
Speaker 1: legal lines fall on this. I do know that mass
Speaker 1: deportation seems to be the best viable option we currently have.
Speaker 2: What happens next.
Speaker 1: The dj has not yet commented on whether it will
Speaker 1: investigate AOC's webinar, but legal experts widely agree that know
Speaker 1: your Rights sessions are not illegal. Given the constitutional protections
Speaker 1: for free speech and legal education, any potential case against
Speaker 1: AOC would likely face significance legal hurdles. The DOJ does
Speaker 1: process with an investigation or excuse me, does proceed with
Speaker 1: an investigation, it would need to establish that her webinar
Speaker 1: actively obstructed ICE operations rather than merely provided information. This
Speaker 1: would be difficult, a difficult threshold to meet, given long
Speaker 1: standing legal precedents protecting the rights to share legal knowledge. Well,
Speaker 1: and apparently this on the meter was read as unfair
Speaker 1: left leaning. Okay, that's the general rating of the Newsweek article, which, okay,
Speaker 1: that kind of checks out as.
Speaker 2: Far as Newsweek is concerned. So fair enough.
Speaker 1: Ah, it's a dirty, dirty topic. I get that. But man,
Speaker 1: oh man, oh man, I see Roy said some politicians
Speaker 1: are pushing forward. Apparently Raven Lee chimed in and said,
Speaker 1: I didn't know this about this factory in Colombia. We've
Speaker 1: talked a lot about mosquitos, but I just found out
Speaker 1: that the biggest.
Speaker 2: One is owned by Colombia.
Speaker 3: Mosquitoes like a mosquito factory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're gonna have to talk about that one now.
Speaker 1: As we're talking about Central America and some of the
Speaker 1: wild things that are going down there. Alda the best
Speaker 1: of the American multicultural and Latino experience.
Speaker 2: There's a picture of Bill Gates.
Speaker 1: With a Mosquitos So we are already off to a
Speaker 1: great start on this one, Bill Gates, a mosquito factory
Speaker 1: in Colombia and its contribution to health.
Speaker 2: Oh sweet Jesus.
Speaker 1: The mosquito farm and Mediinees supported by the Bill Molina
Speaker 1: Gates Foundation, rep in a significant breakthrough in the fight
Speaker 1: against mosquito born Oh oh god, okay, I can already
Speaker 1: tell this is going to be a bit of a doozy.
Speaker 1: Innovative mosquito farm and mediine an ally against dingay and
Speaker 1: other diseases. In twenty twenty four, Mediine Colombia positioned itself
Speaker 1: as a global leader in the fight against mosquito born diseases.
Speaker 1: An innovative mosquito farm supported by the Bill Milinda Gates
Speaker 1: Foundation and part of the World Mosquito Program WMP.
Speaker 2: I actually never heard of that before.
Speaker 1: Produces approximately thirty million eighties at im sure. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a word. I'm not gonna say, mosquitoes per week.
Speaker 1: But these are not ordinary mosquitoes. They carry a revolutionary
Speaker 1: solution to combat dingay, zeka, chickaguna, and yellow fever. Oh god,
Speaker 1: So now we have mosquitoes that are now carrying anecdotes
Speaker 1: or antidotes for viruses and for sicknesses instead of spreading
Speaker 1: these things. What they're going to cure them? Let's let's
Speaker 1: just read on here the challenge of mosquito born diseases.
Speaker 1: The agypty mosquitoes is the primary vector for these viral diseases,
Speaker 1: which affect millions in the tropical and subtropical regions and
Speaker 1: Medine Dingay outbreaks in twenty ten and twenty sixteen impacted
Speaker 1: over thirty five thousand people, highlighting the urgent need for
Speaker 1: innovative and effective solution. The World Mosquito Program Strategy the
Speaker 1: WMP strategy in is both ingenious and natural.
Speaker 2: I already find faults in that statement, but let's go
Speaker 2: on here.
Speaker 1: Infect mosquitoes with the Waalbakia Wallbacchia bacteria okay, Wallbachia, which
Speaker 1: occurs naturally in many insects but not in the eighties agyptie.
Speaker 1: The bacterium reduces the mosquito's ability to transmit viruses to humans.
Speaker 1: By releasing Wallbachia infected mosquitoes into the environment, they mate
Speaker 1: with local populations, spreading the bacteria dramatically reducing the diseases
Speaker 1: trans mission. Since the implementation in twenty seventeen, the project
Speaker 1: has achieved a ninety ninety seven percent reduction in the
Speaker 1: incidence of dingay in Theboro Valley. These results position Mediine
Speaker 1: as an airnational model for applying this technique with unprecedented
Speaker 1: success in Latin America. Now, let's talk about expanding the
Speaker 1: project to Cali. Okay. In Cali, the Waalbakia method was
Speaker 1: implemented in twenty twenty, benefiting over one point six million
Speaker 1: residents in eighteen districts as of December in twenty twenty four. Currently,
Speaker 1: the program's fourth phase continues releasing Wallbachia infective mosquitoes, further
Speaker 1: consolidating its impact and reducing dingay, Zica and chicagunya.
Speaker 2: I hope. I'm saying that right benefits to this method.
Speaker 1: One disease reduction significally reduces the virus transmission and protecting
Speaker 1: protecting vulnerable communities. Number two. Environmental sustainability a natural biological
Speaker 1: solution that avoids excess insecticide uses, preserving ecological balance. Number
Speaker 1: Three Community engagement. Community acceptance and participation are essential to
Speaker 1: the program's success, promoting education and civic commitment. Further perspectives.
Speaker 1: The success in medi Eniancali has driven the expansion of
Speaker 1: the wall Bakia method to other regions of Columbia and
Speaker 1: Latin America. Through continuous evaluation and adaptation, the strategy aims
Speaker 1: to improve its effectiveness and benefit millions of people in
Speaker 1: communities affected by these diseases. The mosquitoform mediine, supported by
Speaker 1: the Bill and Milindigates Foundation, not only represents a scientific breakthrough,
Speaker 1: but also a sustainable and effective model for the global
Speaker 1: public health. By leveraging a natural biology of insects and
Speaker 1: the power of international collaboration, this initiative is transforming the
Speaker 1: fight against mosquito born diseases, improving the quality of life
Speaker 1: for thousands of people in Colombia and beyond. Wow.
Speaker 2: Now I know that I'm.
Speaker 1: A conspiracy theorist, and so anything that Bill Malindigate's Foundation
Speaker 1: is involved with typically just throw out a red flag,
Speaker 1: just on natural instinct at this time, but especially whenever
Speaker 1: this is the same guy that was talking about reducing
Speaker 1: the world's population by ten percent only a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I have a hard time believing that he's
Speaker 1: trying to save people's lives like this.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know he does a lot of work with vaccines
Speaker 1: and things like that, and he goes to India and
Speaker 1: he goes to Africa and he goes to these places.
Speaker 1: But genetically modifying mosquitoes, I just I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just a little too old school in antiquated and
Speaker 1: the way my brain works, but I.
Speaker 2: Feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's just a recipe for bad things
Speaker 1: to happen next. I don't know, because I remember on
Speaker 1: the Cult of Conspiracy we just did an episode. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was a couple of weeks ago, but
Speaker 1: it might have been longer where they were talking about
Speaker 1: infecting mosquitoes with antidotes for viruses to where we don't
Speaker 1: have to get people to go to the clinic to
Speaker 1: get vaccinated. We could just vaccinate the mosquitos and through
Speaker 1: natural processes, the mosquitos would vaccinate the inhabitants of the country.
Speaker 1: And that sounds far fetched until you read that type
Speaker 1: of article where it's saying that they're already genetically modifying
Speaker 1: mosquitos for other means. It doesn't seem that crazy and
Speaker 1: out of the realm of possibility that they would genetically
Speaker 1: modify them for uh, you know, that's benevolent means, But
Speaker 1: how quickly could they genetically modify these insects for malicious means?
Speaker 2: You know. I just I don't know. I have a
Speaker 2: hard time trusting it.
Speaker 1: Let's see here, let's go to the chat drunk Alexandra,
Speaker 1: what's up, alex what's that in which you finally got
Speaker 1: the sound to work? Lol? Alex are you gonna work
Speaker 1: this evening? I couldn't tell because you I thought it
Speaker 1: looked like you were at home. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I'm happy as hell do you were able to
Speaker 1: join us this evening. Appreciate you also, by the way
Speaker 1: I went and listened to your band. I didn't read
Speaker 1: the messages on Patreon yet. What is your position in
Speaker 1: the band? Because if that's the vote, then Jesus, you
Speaker 1: have a growl to you that is insane. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I like y'all's music. I like your sound.
Speaker 2: Y'all. Have a good night, Anthony. I gotta get to bed.
Speaker 1: See y'all on the next one, Anthony, as you're listening
Speaker 1: to this, probably Thursday, to see all the rest of
Speaker 1: the conversation went, Love you to death, brother, Glad you
Speaker 1: could join us for this evening for as long as
Speaker 1: you could. Happy whiskey Wednesday. I wish I was drinking whiskey,
Speaker 1: but I cannot. I can't partake of the of the
Speaker 1: juice anymore. The sauce. The sauce got a hold to
Speaker 1: me bad at one point. I gotta I gotta stay
Speaker 1: on the straight and narrow. Let's see, Zombie, this isn't
Speaker 1: the only company they have their hands in about the mosquitoes. No,
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. I know they've been doing work in
Speaker 1: India and all over Africa for the same means. And actually,
Speaker 1: as I bring up Africa, this is kind of a
Speaker 1: nice little segue for us to talk about the wild
Speaker 1: things that are going on in the continent of Africa
Speaker 1: right now. Let's see here is this one?
Speaker 2: No, in the one? Where's the one? Here we go.
Speaker 1: This is a BBC article that's talking about what's going
Speaker 1: down in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Not to
Speaker 1: be confused with Congo. The Democratic Republic of the Congo
Speaker 1: is a whole separate nation. And apparently Rwanda's military slash militia.
Speaker 1: Forces from Rwanda have now invaded the dr of Congo
Speaker 1: and it's wild things. As South Africa and Zimbabwe have
Speaker 1: their own beef that they're squabbling over at this time.
Speaker 1: Now we have things happening more in Central Africa and
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 1: Let's read in here the BBC article it's a wich
Speaker 1: akin that the jokes right themselves. Here a BBC article
Speaker 1: about fighting in Africa. I swear the jokes right themselves.
Speaker 1: The mineral rich east of the Democratic Republic of the
Speaker 1: Congo has been dodged by dogged, dogged by conflict for
Speaker 1: more than thirty years. Since the nineteen ninety four Rwandan genocide,
Speaker 1: numerous armed groups have competed with the central authorities for
Speaker 1: power and control of the potential fortune.
Speaker 2: In this vast nation, the in state La La.
Speaker 1: The instability has sucked the neighboring countries to devastating effect,
Speaker 1: notoriously in the nineteen nineties, when two huge conflicts dubbed
Speaker 1: Africa's World Wars, resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
Speaker 2: What is happening at the moment.
Speaker 1: After a rapid advance of the in the east, fighters
Speaker 1: from the M twenty three rebel group that would be
Speaker 1: the one based out of Rwanda have captured a number
Speaker 1: of key cities and towns. Their first major coup was
Speaker 1: at the end of January taking This with the taking
Speaker 1: of Goma, a city in the North Kivu province that
Speaker 1: is home to more than a million people, sitting on
Speaker 1: the border with Rwanda and the shores of Lake Kivu.
Speaker 1: Goma is a vital trading and transport hub that is
Speaker 1: within reach of mining towns, supplying metals and minerals in
Speaker 1: high demand. When the rebels took over Goma, UNAID agencies
Speaker 1: warned of a major humanitarian crisis, with shortages of food
Speaker 1: and water, hospitals overwhelmed by casualties, and bodies lie on
Speaker 1: the streets. M twenty three have also seized another key
Speaker 1: city in the region, South Kivu provincial capital, Bakavu I
Speaker 1: Hope or Bukavu I hope. I'm pronouncing these right. My
Speaker 1: apologies to any of our African listeners. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to disrespect I just I speak with American dialects and
Speaker 1: sounds of vowelsand things. Other locations now under N twenty
Speaker 1: three controled include Masisi, ruth Shiu, and Katali. The rebels
Speaker 1: previously threatened to continue their offensive to the capitol Kinshasa,
Speaker 1: although analysts say this may be unlikely as the city
Speaker 1: is twenty six hundred kilometers or sixteen hundred miles away.
Speaker 1: On the other side of this vast country. Now, who
Speaker 1: are the M twenty three. Now, this is where things
Speaker 1: get a little interesting here, because if we look at
Speaker 1: what happened with the Rwandan genocide in which groups suffered
Speaker 1: the biggest casualties at the hands of the other group
Speaker 1: gets a little crazy here. The M twenty three are
Speaker 1: led by ethnic Tutsis who say they needed to take
Speaker 1: up arms to protect them and the rights of as
Speaker 1: the right of Jesus need to take up arms to
Speaker 1: protect the rights of the minority group. The Tutsis are
Speaker 1: absolutely the minority in Rwanda. That's why the Hutus slaughtered.
Speaker 1: As of now, the count is somewhere around eight hundred
Speaker 1: thousand in one mass casualty event. But I mean, who
Speaker 1: really knows what the true death toll of the Rwanda
Speaker 1: genocide really is. They say that several previous deals to
Speaker 1: end the fighting have not been respected. They take their
Speaker 1: name from a peace agreement that was signed on the
Speaker 1: twenty third of March in two thousand and nine. Shortly
Speaker 1: after its creation in twenty twelve, the M twenty three
Speaker 1: rapidly gained territory and seized Goma, acts that were met
Speaker 1: with international opprobrium and accusations of war crimes and human
Speaker 1: rights violations. It was forced to withdraw from Goma and
Speaker 1: then suffered a series of heavy defeats at the hands
Speaker 1: of the Conglese Army with a UN force that saw
Speaker 1: it expelled from the country. M twenty three fighters then
Speaker 1: agreed to be integrated into the Arms ME in return
Speaker 1: for promises that the Tutsis would be protected, but in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one the group took up arms again, saying
Speaker 1: the promises had been broken.
Speaker 2: In rwan is Rwanda involved in the fighting.
Speaker 1: The M twenty three leader, Sultani Mkinga, is a Congolese
Speaker 1: Tutsi who previously.
Speaker 2: Fought in the Rwandan Army.
Speaker 1: Rwanda in the past has consistently denied that it supported
Speaker 1: the M twenty three, but ever since twenty twelve, the
Speaker 1: UN experts have accused it of providing weapons, logistical support,
Speaker 1: and even ultimately commanding the rebels. Dr Congo's government, as
Speaker 1: well as the US and France, have also identified Rwanda
Speaker 1: as backing the group. Last year, a UN expert report
Speaker 1: the experts report that said that up to four thousand
Speaker 1: Rwandan troops were fighting alongside the M twenty three. On Friday,
Speaker 1: Rwandan government spokesperson Yalandi Macolo told the BBC that the
Speaker 1: country's troops are deployed along its border to prevent the
Speaker 1: conflict from spilling over to its territories. Rwanda PRIs obviously
Speaker 1: said that it had been skateegoaded and blamed the recent
Speaker 1: fighting on the Congolese authorities, saying that they had refused
Speaker 1: to enter into a dialogue with m twenty three. A
Speaker 1: peace process mediated by Angola in involving Rwanda and the
Speaker 1: Democratic of the Congo did result in a ceasefire deal
Speaker 1: last year. However, that soon fell apart and fighting resumed.
Speaker 1: So what is the connection with Rwanda. The origin of
Speaker 1: the current fight can partially be traced back to the
Speaker 1: genocide of Rwanda in nineteen ninety four about oh, well
Speaker 1: there it is.
Speaker 2: About eight hundred thousand people, the vast.
Speaker 1: Majority of from the Tutsi community, were slaughtered by ethnic
Speaker 1: Hutu extremists. The genocide ended with the advance of the
Speaker 1: force of Tutsi led rebels commanded by Paul Kagame, who
Speaker 1: is now president. Fearing reprisal, the estimated one million Hutus
Speaker 1: fled across the border to what is now the Democratic
Speaker 1: Republic of the Congo. This stoked ethnic tensions. As a
Speaker 1: marginalized Tutsi group in the East, the Banya Mulingi sure
Speaker 1: felt increasingly under threat. Rwanda's army twice invaded the Democratic
Speaker 1: Republic of the Congo, saying it was going after some
Speaker 1: of those responsible for the genocide, and worked with members
Speaker 1: of the Bonyamlingi, Banya Malingi and other armed groups. After
Speaker 1: thirty years of conflict, one of the Hutu groups, the
Speaker 1: Democratic Force for the Liberation of Rwanda, or the FDLR,
Speaker 1: which includes some of those responsible for the Rwandan genocide,
Speaker 1: is still active in the.
Speaker 2: Eastern Democratic Republica of the Congo.
Speaker 1: Rwanda describes the FDLR as a quote genocidal militia end quote,
Speaker 1: and says its continued existence in the Democratic Republic of
Speaker 1: the Congo's east threatens its own territory. The Rwandan spokesperson
Speaker 1: said they wanted to return to Rwanda to finish the job,
Speaker 1: so that would be some of the tensions as to
Speaker 1: why things are going the way they are. It accuses
Speaker 1: the Congolese authorities of working with the FDLR accusations with
Speaker 1: the dr Congo denies Rwanda is unlikely to stay out
Speaker 1: of the dr Congo unless it is satisfied that the
Speaker 1: FDLR is no longer a threat to itself or the
Speaker 1: Tutsi communities in Eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo. Now
Speaker 1: we get into kind of the money side of things,
Speaker 1: because when any kind of big conflict happens, you.
Speaker 2: Do, in fact need to follow the money.
Speaker 1: What about the Congo's of mineral wealth, which is a big,
Speaker 1: big source of contention a lot within Africa. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, but this is kind of where things
Speaker 1: get a little dicey. The Democratic Republic of the Congo
Speaker 1: and multiple UN reports have accused Rwanda of using the
Speaker 1: conflict as a way of looting Congolese minerals such as
Speaker 1: gold and coulton, which is used to make mobile phones
Speaker 1: and other electronic items such as cameras and inside cars.
Speaker 1: In the recent years, the N twenty three has seized
Speaker 1: several lucrative mining areas, and a report by the UN
Speaker 1: experts last December said that around one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: tons of coulton were was being sent by the M
Speaker 1: twenty three to Rwanda every four weeks. One hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty tons and I believe in that case it would
Speaker 1: be metric tons, not regular tons. Maybe that's why they
Speaker 1: spell it that way. Maybe it's because the BBC article
Speaker 1: and they spell words with weird letters sometimes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: They also noted a huge rise in Rwanda's mineral exports
Speaker 1: in recent years, most of which is believed to come
Speaker 1: from the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Rwanda has consistently
Speaker 1: denied allegations of exploiting dr Congo's minerals. At the same time,
Speaker 1: you can't deny that these minds were taken over by
Speaker 1: the way those minds were being worked by slave labor.
Speaker 1: Not even a joke, that's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: And now Rwandan militia groups have control over them and
Speaker 1: are sending the you know, the uh, the goods back
Speaker 1: to the home country. So I mean, at least it's
Speaker 1: profiting the home turf in that regard, and that would
Speaker 1: be why there's so much speculation on this. Now, what
Speaker 1: are the UN peacekeepers doing about this situation? A UN
Speaker 1: peacekeeping mission that has been in place since nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: The current force, known as MANUSCO, is made up of
Speaker 1: more than ten thousand troops. However, of these only the
Speaker 1: Force Intervention Brigade is allowed to carry out offensive operations
Speaker 1: against armed groups. It was this force that helped defeat
Speaker 1: the M twenty three in twenty thirteen. MANUSCO has been
Speaker 1: the target of anger from ordinary Congolese.
Speaker 2: Who see it as a failing to do its job.
Speaker 1: President Felix the Shikadi, I think I'm saying that right,
Speaker 1: deemed the mission a failure and has asked to leave
Speaker 1: by the end of last year, but the departure was
Speaker 1: delayed and in December the mission was extended for another year.
Speaker 1: The South African Development Community, a regional group of sixteen countries,
Speaker 1: has also deployed a military force to eastern dr Congo,
Speaker 1: but it has been unable to halt the rebels. South
Speaker 1: Africa has said that fourteen of its soldiers have died
Speaker 1: in the clashes with the M twenty three.
Speaker 2: Soldiers from the likes.
Speaker 1: Of Mala, Malawi and Tanzania have also been killed. The
Speaker 1: South African president warned Rwanda that further attacks on its
Speaker 1: troops would be considered a declaration of war. And again,
Speaker 1: South Africa's kind of got its own jam right now.
Speaker 2: So it just as always, it looks like Africa Africa
Speaker 2: is popping off.
Speaker 1: We have things popping off in Sudan, we have things
Speaker 1: popping off in Mally, we have things popping off in
Speaker 1: the Congo and the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and
Speaker 1: in Rwanda and.
Speaker 2: In South Africa. It's it's just it's wild things, you know.
Speaker 1: And Uh, to be honest with you, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: shocked if Africa becomes the new source of contention as
Speaker 1: far as things go on the world stage. I know
Speaker 1: I kind of read a lot there, But if any
Speaker 1: of y'all have anything y'all would like to add into that,
Speaker 1: please do so.
Speaker 3: I just want to add that the Democratic Republic of
Speaker 3: the Congo is a big country. Yeah, Rwanda is a
Speaker 3: small country, very small. Kamala Harris would agree with that
Speaker 3: assessment it and uh yeah that who too, Toots. You
Speaker 3: think I've heard somewhere that Paulka got is a cia
Speaker 3: AS set that I read years ago, but I can't
Speaker 3: do justice to it right now. I don't know exactly
Speaker 3: whose side I'm on it this whole thing.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't shock me if he was, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I mean, how many of those coupes in
Speaker 1: Africa through the sixties and the seventies and the eighties
Speaker 1: and the nineties were being funded and perpetuated by outside forces.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to necessarily say CIA or KGB or
Speaker 1: Inner Pole or essay as a name it am I
Speaker 1: sixth name your group, right, It doesn't matter at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, which country has a reason to
Speaker 1: have control over the minds there.
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what it boils down to. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact. Shoot, now, I gotta search this up.
Speaker 1: Have any of y'all seen the Netflix movie The Siege
Speaker 1: at Jatte Bill?
Speaker 5: Have not?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? It is a solid film and it is
Speaker 1: all about uh yeah, yeah. It was the Congo crisis
Speaker 1: from nineteen sixty to nineteen sixty four. Long story short,
Speaker 1: We the UN, not we, but the UN sent in
Speaker 1: a peacekeeping force comprised of Irish soldiers. Now, Ireland has
Speaker 1: always been famously neutral in international conflicts, which is why
Speaker 1: it was seen that it was a good idea to
Speaker 1: send Irish troops to handle a UN peacekeeping operation.
Speaker 2: There was also some Indian troops that were sent in.
Speaker 1: India seems to always be in the mix when it
Speaker 1: comes to things like this too. When they got there,
Speaker 1: the Irish troops were set up in a small mining
Speaker 1: town called Jaddettville or Jadoville. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: locals pronounce it, but long story short, the uranium that
Speaker 1: was used to create the United States atomic bombs in
Speaker 1: World War Two were mined from that very area. And
Speaker 1: it's at the time they were trying to make Katongo,
Speaker 1: which is an area of the Congo. They were trying
Speaker 1: to get that to be seen as a recognized nation
Speaker 1: by the UN. A war lord, it pretty much rose
Speaker 1: to power. He was taking over and you know, doing
Speaker 1: what warlords be doing to the local inhabitants. It wasn't
Speaker 1: exactly a fun time for anybody, but he had backing,
Speaker 1: and oddly enough, he had backing from the French Foreign
Speaker 1: Legion and other commandos that were not exactly wearing uniforms,
Speaker 1: but all happened to be speaking French. Meanwhile, the you
Speaker 1: and peacekeeping Irish troops they set up shop and haled
Speaker 1: out a siege at Jadetville, and for days they were
Speaker 1: under siege and they were hooking in, jabbing and taking
Speaker 1: down as many of these dudes as they could, to
Speaker 1: the point to where they literally had no more ammo
Speaker 1: in any of their weapons left to fire and they
Speaker 1: all got taken into custody that nobody. They did not
Speaker 1: lose a single man in the operation. And then when
Speaker 1: they got home they were seen as cowards for surrendering
Speaker 1: when they were only sent there for peacekeeping operations. These
Speaker 1: dudes weren't like hardened combat vets. Ireland don't exactly have that.
Speaker 1: These dudes just did what they could to stay alive
Speaker 1: for a few days, and then when they finally had
Speaker 1: no other sources or resources available, they surrendered. And then
Speaker 1: they were almost tried when they got home for cowardice.
Speaker 1: It's insane. Finally they were recognized in the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, as actual being a valorous unit,
Speaker 1: but for a long time it was like seen as
Speaker 1: a badge of dishonor to be associated with them. They
Speaker 1: actually had a nickname called the Jattetville Jacks back in Ireland,
Speaker 1: and they were ostracized and shit on by their local
Speaker 1: It was horrible, but.
Speaker 2: The area in question.
Speaker 1: But the point I was trying to make with all
Speaker 1: of that is you got to look at what resources
Speaker 1: are in that area and what country stands to benefit
Speaker 1: from having controlling interest in that area. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of been Africa's stick for the last few centuries. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's imperialism, but now it's got a whole new face,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, So to say that a
Speaker 1: certain political leader or warlord leader, or whatever the case is,
Speaker 1: maybe a three letter agency asset or might be being
Speaker 1: swayed from another country or another political ideation that completely
Speaker 1: checks out to me. Honestly, that seems like a rinse
Speaker 1: and repeat of what's been going down to Africa for
Speaker 1: quite some time. It's a mess anyway, all right. So
Speaker 1: now we have talked about the Africa conversation, does anybody
Speaker 1: else have anything they would like to bring up?
Speaker 2: Royce?
Speaker 1: You had said earlier you had something you wanted to
Speaker 1: bring up? Or was that the Newsweek article? If Royce
Speaker 1: is still with us?
Speaker 2: I do not know. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 5: Well sorry, sorry, hold on, I'm sorry I missed a question.
Speaker 5: I was busy.
Speaker 2: What's up? I was saying, did you have anything else
Speaker 2: you wanted to bring up?
Speaker 1: I know you had something earlier, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: if that was the Newsweek article or or if that
Speaker 1: was something else.
Speaker 5: Oh no, the only thing that I had pretty much,
Speaker 5: how was the newsweak card got. The comment that I
Speaker 5: made was in response to Zombie asking about what you
Speaker 5: said about prayer not being allowed in one's house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's at this time.
Speaker 1: That is a rumor that is going around in Scotland
Speaker 1: that the Scottish authorities are about to try to outlaw
Speaker 1: prayer even within one's own home. Now, as of now,
Speaker 1: it's not happened. People are allowed to be whatever religion
Speaker 1: they want in Scotland. You are not allowed to openly
Speaker 1: profess your faith unless you happen to be a immigrant
Speaker 1: from a Muslim nation. Then apparently you can do whatever
Speaker 1: your heart tells you to do and claim it's.
Speaker 2: A part of your culture.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a jam at this time, but according
Speaker 1: to certain sources, it may become very very real, very
Speaker 1: soon that they just kind of outlaw religion as a
Speaker 1: whole in Scotland. They're still trying to they're still trying
Speaker 1: to separate from the UK, if I'm not mistaken. They
Speaker 1: tried that a couple of years ago, and Tony, actually
Speaker 1: you can chime in on this one. They were stopped
Speaker 1: because if they did, they said that they weren't going
Speaker 1: to ally with Russia. But they also weren't going to
Speaker 1: go against Russia in any way, shape or form either,
Speaker 1: meaning that their waterways to the north of England would
Speaker 1: have been seen as free international water and the NATO
Speaker 1: forces really didn't like that.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't remember super well, but in twenty
Speaker 3: eighteen and twenty nineteen I worked for Chevron and I
Speaker 3: talked to a girl from Scotland, and I don't remember
Speaker 3: that aspect, but she was telling me all the young
Speaker 3: people tended to vote in favor of seceding from England,
Speaker 3: but the older people's pension, their social security basically really
Speaker 3: was hanging in the balance there and they voted to remain.
Speaker 3: So I think that was the reason, and that the
Speaker 3: old people barely won that'll action or referendum.
Speaker 1: I believe that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been joined to England ever since seventeen oh one,
Speaker 3: the active union, which had to do with the big
Speaker 3: bank bailout that happened that year, the British bailing out
Speaker 3: Scottish banks. Yeah, been stuck together ever since. And I
Speaker 3: don't really understand the whole picture, but in general I'm
Speaker 3: more in favor of independence and secession and people having
Speaker 3: the right to self determination and more local control as
Speaker 3: much as possible.
Speaker 1: I agree with that sentiment personally. Like, for instance, Ireland,
Speaker 1: I believe that that should be a completely Irish controlled island.
Speaker 1: That's just my own personal hot take. I believe that
Speaker 1: the UK should go ahead and just give Northern Ireland
Speaker 1: back to the Irish. You know, at least at that
Speaker 1: point the IRA could go away. It would literally take
Speaker 1: out an entire terrorist organization that quickly.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, and I don't. I personally don't.
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about the IRA being considered a
Speaker 1: terrorist organisation or are they a our militia that is
Speaker 1: defending their homeland from foreigners. I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: I get both sides of that argument. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, Ireland has been going way more socialists in
Speaker 1: their viewpoints, so I kind of you know, me, I
Speaker 1: don't believe that commedis and socialists are like people, So
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't like that personally, but yeah, it's
Speaker 1: I could see. Scotland, I've been told, is kind of
Speaker 1: in the same boat. Like you said, the younger crowd
Speaker 1: is more in favor of secession, but they're also more
Speaker 1: in favor of more far left slash Marxist ideations and
Speaker 1: that's not positive for anybody. So I kind of got
Speaker 1: mixed emotions on it, to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know enough about the whole good question.
Speaker 3: But is it like a fifty to fifty split in
Speaker 3: popular opinion in Northern Ireland as to whether they want
Speaker 3: to remain or leave?
Speaker 2: It depends on the source you ask from.
Speaker 3: What I win it right now and I can't get
Speaker 3: a solid answer, but that around fifty fifty.
Speaker 2: If you're right.
Speaker 1: If you look it up, you may find something more
Speaker 1: along the lines of fifty to fifty. But then again
Speaker 1: it's like, well, what's the poll, Like who's getting polled?
Speaker 1: Which neighborhood is being polled? Right? I mean, if you
Speaker 1: ask the people of Belfast, they may say one thing,
Speaker 1: when if you go all the way to the absolute
Speaker 1: northernest coast of Ira of North Ireland, they may have
Speaker 1: a completely other opinion.
Speaker 2: There's parades every year where these people parade English flags
Speaker 2: and they are proud to be English and like all
Speaker 2: these things.
Speaker 1: And it's a very big Protestant thing too, because that's
Speaker 1: like a whole thing in that section of the of
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: But they are like super beating the English drums.
Speaker 1: Then on the opposite side of that you have Irish
Speaker 1: nationals and Irish Nation supporters who want the island to
Speaker 1: be controlled by the Irish, and it's that would be
Speaker 1: a big source of why the fighting has always been
Speaker 1: this way.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, the Irish had their issues with the English,
Speaker 2: and I mean we.
Speaker 1: Can go back even before Oliver Cromwell if we're really
Speaker 1: gonna go that route. But as far as it goes
Speaker 1: in the modern day, shin Fame, which is the political
Speaker 1: party that spun off of the IRA after the peace
Speaker 1: negotiations were signed, in all these things, they seem to
Speaker 1: be what the IRA became, but more of the suit
Speaker 1: and tie aspect of it rather than the baclavas and aks. Right,
Speaker 1: But they are slowly, but surely, if I've been reading
Speaker 1: the right articles here, gaining more traction in Ireland, and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised that they actually try to propose
Speaker 1: a referendum.
Speaker 2: But at that point, again, you're what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: The leader of Ireland is gonna appeal to the leader
Speaker 1: of England and tell them to fuck off. I just
Speaker 1: I don't see that going smoothly or at all for
Speaker 1: that matter. But I mean, at that point, where do
Speaker 1: we draw the line?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Because the UK is comprised allegedly of like four countries
Speaker 1: within one. So if North Ireland's Seeds and Scotland's the Seeds.
Speaker 2: Is Wales going to do the same thing? You know?
Speaker 1: Where do they? Although the Welsh, I don't think I
Speaker 1: actually have any issue being a part of the UK,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Not that I really listen or keep my ear to
Speaker 3: the ground in there that much. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I try, but the Welsh dialect is so hard to understand, dude.
Speaker 1: It sounds you know, and I'm not trying to talk shit.
Speaker 1: And I also got like lit up because, uh, on
Speaker 1: the cult, Jonathan had brought on a chick who claimed
Speaker 1: to have predicted certain events that were gonna come to pass,
Speaker 1: and it sounded like she had a Scottish accent, and
Speaker 1: people in the commers are like, that's a Jordi accent,
Speaker 1: you idiot, And I'm like, okay, fuck off. I don't
Speaker 1: know the dialects of English accents. Apparently, like every neighborhood
Speaker 1: has their own accent and you people can tell, but
Speaker 1: we can't. We're in America. It all sounds the same
Speaker 1: to us, but uh yeah, the Welsh accent sounds completely
Speaker 1: different than the English.
Speaker 2: It sounds like.
Speaker 1: Sounds like marbles in the throat of somebody who like
Speaker 1: wants to be like trashy British. It's it's crazy. But
Speaker 1: they also have a pretty crazy culture too. Their their
Speaker 1: Christmas traditions are also pretty wild. The horse skull coming
Speaker 1: and knocking on your door at Christmas and shit, it's wild.
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, off topic there, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to expect with things in the future.
Speaker 1: I do know that Brexit was huge. Uh, these other
Speaker 1: nations if they do split off. They have also made
Speaker 1: mentioned that they do not want to be a part
Speaker 1: of the EU, and uh, I don't know how they
Speaker 1: would even financially support themselves. I don't know what kind
Speaker 1: of booming industry Scotland or Ireland has for themselves. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the the Internet they're fishing, right, and their
Speaker 1: liquor they're in that Okay, fine, sure, but like is
Speaker 1: that really enough to sustain an entire country?
Speaker 2: And maybe that's why they're more Marxist.
Speaker 3: I don't know the Scots wanted to remain in the EU,
Speaker 3: and the British definitely wanted out. I mean, you know
Speaker 3: the total polls and percentages and everything, So that was
Speaker 3: another reason Scotland was trying to secede because Brexit was
Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, right something like that, and I think
Speaker 3: the Scottish referendum was twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds about right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one that want to be in the EU
Speaker 3: for some reason. They feel like they get something out
Speaker 3: of it, and it's probably some trade related thing that
Speaker 3: I just don't have any awareness of.
Speaker 1: So they want to be a part of the EU,
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to be a part of NATO.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, to be honest with you, it's not
Speaker 1: like Scotland would be able to immediately start contributing three
Speaker 1: percent of their GDP to their military, don't. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what a Scottish military would look like at
Speaker 1: this point, to be honest with you. I mean, they
Speaker 1: have the was it the Blackguard, the only British unit
Speaker 1: that's still allowed to wear kilts, and they're primarily based
Speaker 1: out of Scotland, which is a badass military unit. Their
Speaker 1: their battlefield track record is impeccable, but that being said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, that's not enough to have an entire nation's
Speaker 1: military under But then I wonder if they would go
Speaker 1: more of the route of having a domestically based military, right,
Speaker 1: more like a national guard style military.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'd be sending troops into international situations.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, I have a different topic. I was wondering
Speaker 3: if you want to talk about do you know much
Speaker 3: about the miracle and the secrets of the Fatima apparition?
Speaker 2: Heard? Okay, I have heard of it. We've talked about
Speaker 2: on the cult a little bit. But please let's talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I must not have caught it, but if yeah,
Speaker 3: let's talk about it a little bit. Wasn't It was
Speaker 3: in Portugal? Portugal, It's pretty close. And to lay a
Speaker 3: little bit of background, the Portuguese monarchy was overthrown in
Speaker 3: nineteen ten after eight hundred years of existence, and it
Speaker 3: was replaced by the first Portuguese Republic. And this Portuguese
Speaker 3: Republic was very anti clerical, really trying to knock down
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church a few pegs. So that is the
Speaker 3: political situation that was going on at the time, which.
Speaker 1: Is typical when a monarch is overthrown, they're typically try
Speaker 1: to step away from religion checks out.
Speaker 3: A few years later, Mexico experienced a similar thing and
Speaker 3: started in Spain, and that's where the Spanish Civil War
Speaker 3: came from. But in Portugal nineteen ten, the monarchy is overthrown,
Speaker 3: replaced by a republic, and then World War One breaks
Speaker 3: out and Portugal's neutral until nineteen sixteen, and then I
Speaker 3: think they join in on the British side, But that's
Speaker 3: not really a major factor to this story. This story
Speaker 3: starts in nineteen seven, on May thirteenth. From May thirteenth
Speaker 3: to October thirteenth, there were three shepherd children who in
Speaker 3: the village of Fatima, which is named after one of
Speaker 3: Mohammad's daughters or granddaughters. I think Fatima is an Arabic word.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you look at Spain and that whole section
Speaker 1: of the world and what happened with the Moorish population
Speaker 1: and what they did to the local inhabitants, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: certain areas are very Muslim sounding for historical reasons. I'm
Speaker 1: with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is a town of Fatima, and it's
Speaker 3: a big pilgrimage site now because this miraculous thing happened
Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventeen, and the name of the three
Speaker 3: Shepherd children were Lucia Dos Santos and her cousins Francisco
Speaker 3: and Jacintha Marto. Francisco and Jasina died in the Big
Speaker 3: flu pandemic in nineteen eighteen, but Lucilla lived until something
Speaker 3: like nineteen eighty or seventy or something like that. The
Speaker 3: three of them in nineteen seventeen, on May thirteenth claimed
Speaker 3: that out in this rural area, they saw the Virgin
Speaker 3: Mary appear to them, and she was super bright, like
Speaker 3: the burning rays of the sun. And she told them,
Speaker 3: don't be afraid, come closer. I have some things to
Speaker 3: tell you. And the things she told them were well.
Speaker 3: There were six of these apparitions on the thirteenth of
Speaker 3: every month, from May to October, and she says, in May,
Speaker 3: I do not be afraid. I will do you no harm.
Speaker 3: I am from Heaven. I came to ask you here
Speaker 3: on the thirteenth day for six months at the same time.
Speaker 3: There I will tell you who I am and what
Speaker 3: I want, and afterwards I will return here. Seventh time,
Speaker 3: you will go to heaven. But first you must say
Speaker 3: many rosaries that's kind of the substance of the May message.
Speaker 3: What is a rosary? The Rosary is a series of
Speaker 3: about fifty Hail Mary prayers with a few Our Fathers
Speaker 3: and Glory Bee's thrown in after each ten, just to
Speaker 3: break it up a little bit. Yeah, and the Rosary
Speaker 3: was not really like as much of a major devotion
Speaker 3: until this happened, and it really increased in popularity after this, really,
Speaker 3: so yeah, I actually.
Speaker 1: Don't know when the praying of the Rosary really became
Speaker 1: more I don't want to say mainstream, but as far
Speaker 1: as Catholicism is concerned, I kind of figured that was
Speaker 1: always a part of it.
Speaker 2: But is that more of a Vatican two thing?
Speaker 3: It was a pre Vatican two and it goes back
Speaker 3: to the Dominicans from maybe fifteen hundred, I would say,
Speaker 3: But good question. Something I just I don't know all
Speaker 3: the details of it. Does not go back to like
Speaker 3: the very origins of the Catholic Church. It's from the
Speaker 3: Middle Ages sometime, I'm pretty sure, fair enough, but in Okay,
Speaker 3: I know this might be a little boring, but it's
Speaker 3: building up to something kind of exciting. June message, she said,
Speaker 3: I want you to come here again on the thirteenth day,
Speaker 3: pray the Rosary every day, and there's a sick woman
Speaker 3: in her family and she's going to be cured and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah. Then the next month, and the kids
Speaker 3: keep going month after month, and people around them hear
Speaker 3: about how, oh, if they go to this place, they're
Speaker 3: going to see this woman, the Virgin Mary, and only
Speaker 3: they can see the woman. But the crowds get bigger
Speaker 3: and bigger every month, and then just skip into the
Speaker 3: end a little bit. There was in October the Miracle
Speaker 3: of the Sun, and the Miracle of the Sun took
Speaker 3: place in front of a crowd that is reported to
Speaker 3: be between thirty and one hundred thousand people, including photographers,
Speaker 3: and it was a rainy day and they were looking
Speaker 3: for a miracle. But then suddenly, many of the witnesses
Speaker 3: reported seeing the sun break through the clouds and dance
Speaker 3: and spin around, and they saw radiant colors and everything
Speaker 3: dried up within a miraculously short period of time, like
Speaker 3: a minute or two. So that was the miracle of
Speaker 3: the Sun. And you know, that's considered a big miracle
Speaker 3: that it even attracted a lot of skeptics, and some
Speaker 3: of them reported Oh, yeah, it was a miracle. On
Speaker 3: the other hand, some people reported they didn't really see anything,
Speaker 3: but maybe people were anticipating a miracle. So that's just
Speaker 3: kind of both sides and interpretations of what happened here.
Speaker 3: But I want to get into so that's actually building
Speaker 3: up to something else, because there's this controversial thing called
Speaker 3: the Third Secret of Fatima, and it has to do
Speaker 3: with revelations that were made over twenty years after this.
Speaker 3: So after World War One, the Dos Santos kids, they
Speaker 3: actually died in the flu pandemic, but Lucilla lived and
Speaker 3: became a nun.
Speaker 1: And I'll bet she did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she was already they were all very religious
Speaker 3: before any of this stuff happened. Anyway, And I'm trying
Speaker 3: to confirm this right now, but there was a bunch
Speaker 3: of stuff about how Russia needs to be consecrated to
Speaker 3: marry His Immaculate Heart. And I'm pretty sure the thing
Speaker 3: going on here is that there was a long period
Speaker 3: of silence after nineteen seventeen, but in nineteen forty one
Speaker 3: to nineteen forty four, Lucilla revealed to the world, Hey,
Speaker 3: there's these three secrets. The Virgin Mary wanted me to
Speaker 3: tell everybody three secrets, and I'll tell you what they are.
Speaker 3: The first one she wants me to tell you is
Speaker 3: that she showed us what hell looks like. She showed
Speaker 3: us a great sea of fire which seemed to be
Speaker 3: under the earth, and plunged into this fire where demons
Speaker 3: and souls in human form, and they were burning, and
Speaker 3: there were demons and they were black and transparent, and
Speaker 3: it scared us so much we almost thought we were
Speaker 3: gonna die. And then there's the second secret. The second
Speaker 3: secret is in two parts. The first part says the
Speaker 3: Virgin Mary, tells them, you have seen how souls of
Speaker 3: poor sinners go to hell to save them. God wishes
Speaker 3: to establish in the world devotion to my immaculate Heart.
Speaker 3: If what I say to you is done, many souls
Speaker 3: will be saved and there will be peace, and World
Speaker 3: War one is going to end. But if people do
Speaker 3: not cease offending God, a worst one will break out.
Speaker 3: During the pontificate of Pope Pious the eleventh. Now there
Speaker 3: was a Pope Pious the eleventh who took an office
Speaker 3: in nineteen twenty two, but World War II happened under
Speaker 3: Pious the twelfth. Unless you want to argue that it
Speaker 3: started earlier, for example, in nineteen thirty seven with the
Speaker 3: child with the Japanese conquest of Nanjing that was still
Speaker 3: under pious the eleventh. So people argue these technicalities. So
Speaker 3: the second part of the second secret was the consecration
Speaker 3: of Russia. To prevent this, I shall come to ask
Speaker 3: for the consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart and
Speaker 3: the communion of reparation on the first Saturdays. Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: There's a few other little things in there, but yeah,
Speaker 3: both of these were finally declared in nineteen forty one,
Speaker 3: and this is like what twenty three, twenty four years
Speaker 3: after nineteen seventeen. And then there's the third secret of
Speaker 3: Fatima where Lucilla told her bishop Bishop Laria, I think, crap,
Speaker 3: where's his name? It's something like that. Oh yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a third secret. But Mary told me not to tell anybody,
Speaker 3: and the Bishop's going, well, it's like nineteen forty four,
Speaker 3: and you know, Old War two is a fever pitch
Speaker 3: right now, and we want to know what's this third secret.
Speaker 1: This is after she's been a nun, like she's been
Speaker 1: consecrated as a nun. I think that might be the
Speaker 1: word confirmed. I don't know whatever. She's taken her oaths
Speaker 1: as a nun. Now as the war is going on,
Speaker 1: She's like, by the way, there was another one.
Speaker 2: I kept a secret.
Speaker 3: It's the third secret of Fatima. And she said, but
Speaker 3: I was told not to tell you what it is. Well,
Speaker 3: she it, so he pleads and pleads. Eventually, eventually she
Speaker 3: writes it down in a letter and says, well, this
Speaker 3: is not to be opened until either I die or
Speaker 3: the year nineteen sixty, whichever comes first. So finally, in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty, the Pope opens the letter and she did.
Speaker 3: At that point, Uh, crap, where is she? I forget
Speaker 3: where she is?
Speaker 1: I assume So if she it was me dying or
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty, whoever comes first, Oh, whatever comes first, Okay,
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty, she might have still been alive.
Speaker 3: Oh she was a life till two thousand and five,
Speaker 3: nineteen oh seven to two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: She damn, what a good run, especially for surviving the
Speaker 1: Spanish flu and like living in Portugal post World War
Speaker 1: one and two, like yo, she had a good run.
Speaker 1: But all right, I digress.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, yeah, I'm trying to find the letter but
Speaker 3: here's the thing. It all it said was kind of
Speaker 3: like way more mundane stuff than people were expecting. People
Speaker 3: were expecting it to say that, oh, the Catholic Church
Speaker 3: and the Pope is going to become an apost state
Speaker 3: and the Rome will become the seat of the Antichrist,
Speaker 3: and a lot of Catholics were really expecting something like this.
Speaker 3: But then when it was finally read and it was
Speaker 3: not publicized by the Vatican in nineteen sixty, they waited
Speaker 3: until June twenty sixth, the year two thousand and to
Speaker 3: read this letter. She says, I write to you in
Speaker 3: obedience who command me to do this through His Excellency,
Speaker 3: the Bishop of Laria, and through your most Holy Mother
Speaker 3: and mine. After the two parts which I have already explained,
Speaker 3: we saw an angel with flaming sword in his left hand,
Speaker 3: flashing and gave out flames and looked as though it
Speaker 3: would set the world on fire, but they died out
Speaker 3: in contact with the splendor of our Lady. The angel
Speaker 3: cried out in a loud voice, Penance, Penance, Penance, and
Speaker 3: we saw an immense light that is God, something similar
Speaker 3: to how people appear in a mirror when they pass
Speaker 3: in front of it a bishop dressed in white. We
Speaker 3: had the impression that it was the Holy Father, other bishops,
Speaker 3: priestsmen and women religious, going up a steep mountain at
Speaker 3: the top of which there was a big cross of
Speaker 3: rough hewn trunks as of a cork tree with bark.
Speaker 3: Before reaching there, the Holy Father passed through a big city,
Speaker 3: half in ruins and half trembling with halting step. Afflicted
Speaker 3: with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of
Speaker 3: the corpses he met along the way. Having reached the
Speaker 3: top of the mountain on his knees, at the at
Speaker 3: the foot of the big cross, he was killed by
Speaker 3: a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him,
Speaker 3: and in the same way they're died, one after another
Speaker 3: of the bishops, priests, men and women religious, and various
Speaker 3: lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two
Speaker 3: arms of the cross, there were two angels, each with
Speaker 3: a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered
Speaker 3: up the blood of the martyrs, and with it sprinkled
Speaker 3: the souls that were making their way to God. March first,
Speaker 3: nineteen forty four. So this was the letter, and people
Speaker 3: were expecting that, oh, this is going to say something,
Speaker 3: you know, more like exactly who's going to start World
Speaker 3: War III, or what exactly the end times are going
Speaker 3: to be when they're going to come, or the Pope
Speaker 3: and the Church are going to become apostates. And especially
Speaker 3: after the Second Vatican Council, especially traditional Catholics were expecting
Speaker 3: some message like that. So when this letter finally came out,
Speaker 3: I mean, it sounds like very poetic and emotion, but
Speaker 3: they actually found it really underwhelming, and they're started to
Speaker 3: evolve all these conspiracies that well they didn't release the
Speaker 3: real one. There's a real third secret, and they're just
Speaker 3: not telling us because it's going to tell us the
Speaker 3: Pope isn't a pastate. And now we're, I guess twenty
Speaker 3: four years later, and some people are still really into
Speaker 3: this secret and others. You know, I actually believe the
Speaker 3: letter is probably what she actually wrote. I have a feeling.
Speaker 3: I know this makes me sound less faithful, but you
Speaker 3: experienced something there. She experienced something, But maybe twenty four
Speaker 3: years later, in nineteen forty one to nineteen forty four,
Speaker 3: she was trying to do something or say something and
Speaker 3: to maintain relevance, and she said, you know, I think
Speaker 3: there was something about some secrets. Let me tell you
Speaker 3: about them, but I don't know. Maybe Virgin Mary told
Speaker 3: me not to tell you, and okay, okay, well i'll
Speaker 3: tell you. I'll put this right. And she had to
Speaker 3: come up with something, and that's just what she came
Speaker 3: up with. That's kind of my impression of it.
Speaker 1: So a couple of couple of things that kind of
Speaker 1: jump out at me here. This was released in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 2: When did the Vatican two.
Speaker 6: Take place.
Speaker 3: Ancil It was sixty two to sixty four, and it
Speaker 3: basically ended Latin Mass and it said it's going to
Speaker 3: be in the normal languages like English from now on,
Speaker 3: and personally, I think that was the wrong decision. Agree
Speaker 3: so the decision they've made.
Speaker 1: So I'm just making sure I fully understand this. Right
Speaker 1: before the Vatican two was to take place, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that there was already kind of murmurs about a
Speaker 1: reformation happening within the church before this time. This woman,
Speaker 1: this nun, who was one of the only people that
Speaker 1: could actually see the Virgin Mother and all that came
Speaker 1: forward with a third thing that no one knew about
Speaker 1: up until this point and basically said that if things
Speaker 1: don't change, things are going to go really south, right
Speaker 1: before the Vatican two to place. That's interesting to me,
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying though this is bullshit.
Speaker 3: That's when the letter was opened. She actually wrote that
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty four.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, fair enough then. Also the whole
Speaker 1: thing about the Russians needing to acknowledge the Virgin Mother,
Speaker 1: the Russian Orthodoxy Church acknowledges her as the Mother of God,
Speaker 1: so like.
Speaker 3: Yes they do. But you know, this is another thing
Speaker 3: I've noticed people today who are really into the fatimaus
Speaker 3: stuff really really don't like Russia, which is weird because
Speaker 3: they tend to be the most traditional Catholics and they
Speaker 3: don't even care so much that Russia isn't communists anymore.
Speaker 3: And if you really want to get into the nitty
Speaker 3: gritty here, the apparitions were from May to October of
Speaker 3: nineteen seventeen. That was before the Bolshevik takeover, but after
Speaker 3: the February Revolution, so Russia was not communist yet after
Speaker 3: all these events happened, it was definitely interpreted that, oh,
Speaker 3: the Virgin Mary hates Communists, which I actually agree.
Speaker 2: With I think that she would, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3: But that was my interpretation too. And yet, when you
Speaker 3: you know, read through what was going on in nineteen seventeen,
Speaker 3: communism was not a part of the problem that she
Speaker 3: was talking about. She was just talking about Russia, not communists.
Speaker 1: Does the Russian Orthodoxy do they pray the Rosary or
Speaker 1: is that more of a Roman.
Speaker 3: We don't have it ninety nine percent sure they don't
Speaker 3: have it. Interesting but they tell her the Theo Tokos,
Speaker 3: which is the mother of God. That's Greek because Theo
Speaker 3: is God and Tokos's mother.
Speaker 1: Which makes sense because Russian Orthodoxy is kind of a
Speaker 1: subrendit of the Greek Orthodoxy, so that makes sense they would.
Speaker 2: Have Greek teams in there, Greek stuff they do.
Speaker 1: Royce actually chime in on this one real quick. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious Mary. I know that you know, you have
Speaker 1: a different set of beliefs as far as the Bible
Speaker 1: and Mary goes. But she was a Jewish woman around
Speaker 1: the turn of the millennia and all these things. What
Speaker 1: is the Jewish take on communism, like for religious reasons
Speaker 1: and things like that. Because I'm I'm in agreement with
Speaker 1: Tony here, I believe that the Virgin Mother probably would
Speaker 1: have not liked communism as a even a thought process,
Speaker 1: let alone an actual system of governance, especially with the
Speaker 1: amount of murders and deaths that it's attributed.
Speaker 2: But what is the Jewish take on Commedi's.
Speaker 5: So I don't really think that a lot of Jews
Speaker 5: would be pro communistic, mainly because from what I think,
Speaker 5: like in the Toro, whenever the Jews were supposed to
Speaker 5: bring like their their annual offerings or the grain offerings
Speaker 5: whatever to the temple, it said that you that you
Speaker 5: will bring what God has blessed you with. It doesn't do,
Speaker 5: it doesn't say and usual. I mean there were certain
Speaker 5: things that like were when it came to the the
Speaker 5: taally of how many Jews there were, like they're every Jew,
Speaker 5: regardless of whether they were rich or poor, they needed
Speaker 5: to give a a half shekel, I think. But as
Speaker 5: far as like your grain offerings or whatever you were,
Speaker 5: you were able to whether it was grain or animals, whatever,
Speaker 5: basically says that you will bring a certain amount of this.
Speaker 5: So I don't really believe that they would have been for.
Speaker 1: It fair fair, Okay, So yeah, right off the rip,
Speaker 1: we can pretty much unilaterally agree that the Virgin Mother
Speaker 1: does not.
Speaker 2: Like comedies or communistic ideas. I like it a lot.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot, although the whole the Third
Speaker 1: Fatoma Revelation, I don't even.
Speaker 2: Know if we talked about that on that episode, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, because it.
Speaker 1: Was like I think we touched on some of the
Speaker 1: more famous Marian apparitions or miracles or however they're you know,
Speaker 1: however they're described, depending on what article you're reading and
Speaker 1: who wrote it kind of thing. But there's been quite
Speaker 1: a few of them that we talked about. That one
Speaker 1: is definitely a very seriously interesting one, to say the least.
Speaker 1: But that's also kind of crazy that it's said that
Speaker 1: the Roman Catholic Church will become an apostate, or the
Speaker 1: pope would become an apostate, so to speak. And there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people that would argue that the parent
Speaker 1: or the parent, the Jesus Christ, the Holy Father, the
Speaker 1: current pope would be a little bit of an apostate
Speaker 1: as far as things are concerned. I know, again, I
Speaker 1: need to any of the Catholics listening. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to piss an y'alls Cheerios here. I just I think
Speaker 1: we can all agree Pope Francis pretty pretty much sucks
Speaker 1: like across the board.
Speaker 5: Actually I believe it, or I actually read an article
Speaker 5: today about that kind of that. There was a news
Speaker 5: reporter that actually wanted to ask if the Pope is
Speaker 5: actually actually Catholic because he goes against some of the
Speaker 5: main principles of their faith, which is kind of an
Speaker 5: interesting saying. It takes. You wouldn't necessarily think that unless
Speaker 5: you actually delves really deeply into it.
Speaker 3: There's a pretty big group well, actually I shouldn't call
Speaker 3: them that big. They're small group of Catholics called set
Speaker 3: of the Cantists who believe that the Pope has been
Speaker 3: illegitimate since nineteen sixty four, roughly with the Second Vatican Council.
Speaker 3: They considered the Second Vatican Council to be formal heresy.
Speaker 3: And there's another group called Old Catholics who split over
Speaker 3: the First Vatican Council in eighteen seventy yeah, which is
Speaker 3: the one that said that the Pope can be infallible.
Speaker 3: So there's several splinter groups like that. They're pretty small
Speaker 3: in total, but traditional, the Latin loving Catholics really want
Speaker 3: to have you know they wanted to have something out
Speaker 3: of this third Secret saying you got to have Latin
Speaker 3: and you know, or the Pope is gonna become an apostate,
Speaker 3: and they didn't get that out of the ladder. So
Speaker 3: some of them believe that, oh, the letter must have
Speaker 3: said that, but they're they're still holding that back from us.
Speaker 1: Dude. I feel like with all the changes he's trying
Speaker 1: to make the current pope, I wouldn't be shocked if
Speaker 1: we have a Vatican three happen sooner than like, I know,
Speaker 1: if we're going to go off the current trend here,
Speaker 1: it would be more around like the twenty sixty twenty
Speaker 1: seventy timeframe. But I feel like there's going to be
Speaker 1: a reformation sooner rather than later if things keep going
Speaker 1: the way they're going. You, being the resident Catholic, what
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm in favor of having a third one. I
Speaker 3: feel like it wouldn't be a problem to me. We've
Speaker 3: had a lot throughout the history of the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: Most of them are not a Vatican. They're called, like
Speaker 3: lateran Council or the Council of Trent. Those are the
Speaker 3: big ones and There's been a whole bunch more that
Speaker 3: I don't remember, but you know, that's a part of
Speaker 3: our history. We can do it again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, by the way, so randomly, So a few minutes ago,
Speaker 5: you guys were talking about the fact that with the
Speaker 5: Second Reformation that they took out the Latin from the church.
Speaker 5: So what I find very interesting about that is I
Speaker 5: don't necessarily know what specific time frame it was. But
Speaker 5: so currently right now, we have three main I wouldn't
Speaker 5: necessarily want to call them sects of Judaism, but you
Speaker 5: have three main roads called you have the right wing,
Speaker 5: which would be like the Orthodox, the middle which is
Speaker 5: the conservative, and the left wing, which is like the Reform.
Speaker 5: And in other synagogues, like when in it comes to
Speaker 5: Conservative or Reform either shoals or temples, there is Hebrew
Speaker 5: that's a part of it, but a lot of it
Speaker 5: is actually in English, as opposed to Orthodox synagogues where
Speaker 5: it's I mean, all all the doubt butting all the
Speaker 5: prayers are done in Hebrew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure there's groups that call the other
Speaker 1: groups like the what do y'all call it? Not apostates, huh?
Speaker 5: I mean, so it's not nostally a positive but just
Speaker 5: sometimes they're just not Jewish. I mean, for example, I'm
Speaker 5: somebody who might have been raised reform or even conservative.
Speaker 5: Let's just say they are if their father was not Jewish,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, if their mother was not the Jewish but
Speaker 5: their father was. According to conservative and reform Judaism, they're
Speaker 5: considered Jews and of themselves, but Orthodox don't recognize them.
Speaker 5: Orthodox don't recognize conversions of conservatives or reform. So like
Speaker 5: if you have somebody who wants to say, we'll have
Speaker 5: spent anywhere between one and two years, one to two
Speaker 5: years studying, learning, you know, passing a test for whatever
Speaker 5: house of rabbis that they go to to take their
Speaker 5: tests to actually become Jewish. If they were to walk
Speaker 5: into a synagogue and they knew that they were converts
Speaker 5: and that it was done under not Orthodox auspices, then
Speaker 5: they are not considered Jewish because the levels are different.
Speaker 5: Because the whole idea about being Jewish is that you
Speaker 5: are accepting upon yourself. Tora and Mintsos and somebody who
Speaker 5: is conservative or reform, they don't really chept upon themselves
Speaker 5: to our miss. They don't really keep stabbis. They don't
Speaker 5: really keep kosher. They don't do the thing that the
Speaker 5: Torah slash the rabbis have prescribed, so therefore like that
Speaker 5: that doesn't count. It's like, well, that's fantastic, great job
Speaker 5: for learning. If you want to be Jewish, you needed
Speaker 5: to take these extra steps. And what's even interesting is
Speaker 5: that there there are some groups of Judaism that don't
Speaker 5: necessarily convert people, like ah Bad for example, that was
Speaker 5: that is still very very much so around and they
Speaker 5: do widespread learning and teaching and try to try to
Speaker 5: get you Jews to become written more religious and being
Speaker 5: to come back to the faith. They actually don't convert people,
Speaker 5: Like if somebody says I want to convert, it said, fantastic,
Speaker 5: consider contact your lo r your local Orthodox rabbi, so
Speaker 5: that they don't actually do conversions end of themselves. And
Speaker 5: I've heard that even some Spartan don't actually accept converts
Speaker 5: at all. Now, grant, I don't necessarily how true that is,
Speaker 5: but I believe, I mean, I believe the person who
Speaker 5: told me that they don't really look very highly on
Speaker 5: on convert or just you know, there's maybe it's just
Speaker 5: such a process and you know, they don't know, if
Speaker 5: they're sincere, because obviously sincerity is a big thing. You know,
Speaker 5: if somebody's just doing it temporarily, or are they trying
Speaker 5: to you know, reise their way into like what are
Speaker 5: their motives? You know when they realize that, you know,
Speaker 5: it's not fun to be Jewish, are they just going
Speaker 5: to you know leave the faith a couple of years
Speaker 5: later and then you know, and it doesn't look good
Speaker 5: on the rabbies, look good on the person and of themselves.
Speaker 5: And well, let's to say, even religiously, if these people
Speaker 5: actually did go through the conversion process, even if they
Speaker 5: were to quote unquote convert back to whatever religion they
Speaker 5: came from, like God is still holding them accountable for
Speaker 5: the things that they're doing that they shouldn't be doing. Right, So,
Speaker 5: if you have someone who spent you know, years and
Speaker 5: converted to world wixed Judaism, was this say a couple
Speaker 5: of years later they said, yeah, fe fuck it, I
Speaker 5: don't I don't want to do anymore. Let's just say
Speaker 5: they say, all right, well I want to go to
Speaker 5: being Christian, Muslim, you know, you name, you know, pick
Speaker 5: your religion here. Whenever they are not observing the Sabbath,
Speaker 5: whenever they are not keeping kosher, whenever they're not doing
Speaker 5: any things that we're supposed to God in essence is
Speaker 5: counting that against them, you know, as opposed to someone
Speaker 5: who's not Jewish. It's not quote unquote wrong for you,
Speaker 5: Jacob to drive your car on Shabbis or on Saturday. Right,
Speaker 5: So that's not that's not counted against you because it's
Speaker 5: not your commandment.
Speaker 1: To do God.
Speaker 5: So it's which is also the reason why Jews don't
Speaker 5: try to convert people is because like, first of all,
Speaker 5: we have enough Jews that have a hard time not
Speaker 5: wanting to do the things themselves. We don't really need
Speaker 5: it anymore, right, And like why why, like why would
Speaker 5: I put a stumbling block in front of you. It's like,
Speaker 5: it's it's hard being Jewish. It's it's hard to pray
Speaker 5: all the time. It's hard to keep kosher all the time.
Speaker 5: You know, it's not an easy lifestyle.
Speaker 2: I feel that.
Speaker 5: So so better not to bring somebody into the faith
Speaker 5: and have them fall and stumble and have the things
Speaker 5: that they're doing now that isn't wrong, would be wrong
Speaker 5: eventually if they were to go back to doing them.
Speaker 5: So like that, you know better to not put a
Speaker 5: stumbling block in.
Speaker 3: Front of them.
Speaker 1: I agree with that for sure. Man. We went off
Speaker 1: on that tirade, going off with the whole Latin mass thing,
Speaker 1: but I do appreciate the perspective for sure, Royce. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we found our way into religious conversation on this episode,
Speaker 1: didn't we.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 5: I think it seems like every single episode we veer,
Speaker 5: which is kind of nice because you have the.
Speaker 7: At least obviously this is a very much smaller group.
Speaker 7: You have people that are either subject matter experts or
Speaker 7: know more about certain subjects, whether it's geopolitics, whether it's
Speaker 7: certain parts of the country, whether it's Judaism, Christianity, whatever,
Speaker 7: which is so it's kind of nice. So it's like
Speaker 7: it's no one is excluded, you know, because like I
Speaker 7: know that during the geopolitics of like, I don't really
Speaker 7: know anything. I spend all my time either at work,
Speaker 7: in the gym or school.
Speaker 5: I have no time to learn this stuff or to
Speaker 5: do my own research. So that's why I come here
Speaker 5: to learn, not to necessarily insert my opinion or because
Speaker 5: I just don't have one. That's fair so better than
Speaker 5: so better that everybody is able to get like a
Speaker 5: little piece and snippets here and there.
Speaker 1: So absolutely absolutely so all right, Tony with the Fatima revelation,
Speaker 1: what are your final closing thoughts on this?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, one final thing was for a concentration of Russia.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: This is another controversial thing because the popes and bishops
Speaker 3: have tried to do it like five times in nineteen
Speaker 3: forty two, nineteen fifty two, nineteen sixty four, nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 3: and eighty four, and each time people are critical of
Speaker 3: it and they say they didn't do it right. So
Speaker 3: the third secret of Fatimah, people who are really into
Speaker 3: this subject say, well, we still need to do it
Speaker 3: because even though it's been attempted, they've never done it right.
Speaker 3: That's why it hasn't worked. That's why we don't have
Speaker 3: world peace, that's why Russia doesn't obey the pope. And
Speaker 3: you know, if we would just do it right, it
Speaker 3: would work. And so I'm more nuanced on this, and
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't really matter exactly how you do it.
Speaker 3: If there's no magic word or spell you can say
Speaker 3: it's gonna make this work.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they would argue that, like for
Speaker 1: Instanstagram around Scotland, real quick. Scotland, I would argue, has
Speaker 1: been consecrated into the Catholic Church. Meanwhile, a street preacher
Speaker 1: will be arrested right now in Scotland for just being
Speaker 1: on a street corner preaching the word. So, even though
Speaker 1: it's been quote unquote concept, do they actually have the
Speaker 1: religious freedom to be what they want to be? Russia
Speaker 1: again not communist anymore, and the Russian Orthodox Church would
Speaker 1: be the primary religion of Russia.
Speaker 2: They acknowledge the Holy Mother.
Speaker 1: I just I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I feel like, at what point do we draw that line?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 1: Do we actually need some sort of archdiocese to come
Speaker 1: in and bless the entire nation, because I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: they've had, you know, Russian Orthodox which is a version
Speaker 1: of Catholicism. I'm pretty sure they've already had one of
Speaker 1: them do that at some point in time. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know for a fact, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: We can always argue they didn't do it right.
Speaker 1: Right, of course, we can.
Speaker 3: Do it right finally this time, and that'll solve all
Speaker 3: the world's problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would take.
Speaker 1: It would take that and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: Russia Ukraine conflict would end. All of the things in
Speaker 1: Africa would seee, the things in Central and Latin America
Speaker 1: would cease.
Speaker 2: It would just it would just be like that. But uh,
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see.
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see, and I guess we'll find out
Speaker 1: if the Pope becomes an apostate, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that would say that he is, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people that still ride that train hard and
Speaker 1: say that while they may not agree with what he says,
Speaker 1: they do see him as the Vicar of Rome and
Speaker 1: therefore the vicar of the world.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I you know, I'm kind of the latter.
Speaker 3: I don't like him, but.
Speaker 1: Oh you you are. Yeah, you don't like him, But
Speaker 1: do you still think he speaks on behalf of God.
Speaker 3: If he wants to. Yeah, he makes a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 3: He makes a lot of mistakes. He's very fallible. But
Speaker 3: I don't think he's spoken ex cathedra or in an
Speaker 3: infallible way yet. I mean, well, it's only under very
Speaker 3: specific circumstances that that's supposed to happen. So I think
Speaker 3: he's allowed to make a lot of mistakes and even
Speaker 3: though he shouldn't. But that doesn't mean that we don't
Speaker 3: respect the office. I'm not a set of a cantist yet.
Speaker 1: I probably the first controversial pope that's ever done wild
Speaker 1: ship there, there's been a track record of that throughout history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's too liberal for me, he's too conservative
Speaker 3: for other people. I think he's trying.
Speaker 1: To who is saying he's conservative.
Speaker 3: For some people like social people? Okay, fair, fair, you know,
Speaker 3: no gay marriage and uh no homosexuals in the priesthood.
Speaker 3: Some people think that's intolerant.
Speaker 2: So he stuck to his guns about that.
Speaker 3: Really well, yeah, he said that privately to Archbishop Vigano,
Speaker 3: who unfortunately has left the church since then, maybe just
Speaker 3: three or four or five months ago. Vigano if if
Speaker 3: you want to google him. But yeah, I could probably
Speaker 3: make this podcast way too long. It's already a little
Speaker 3: too long. But thank you for letting me go on
Speaker 3: about that. We could do more of this next time.
Speaker 1: Well, I I'm picking up where we left off here
Speaker 1: on the next episode. Uh. I want to thank everybody
Speaker 1: for coming out and joining the conversation this evening, especially
Speaker 1: our newest addition to the crew, Trunk Alexandra.
Speaker 2: Thank you for joining in on this one.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah uh I can't wait to do this
Speaker 1: again next week.
Speaker 4: Y'all.
Speaker 2: God bless and everybody take care.