1 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,920 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,560 going to bring you this week's episode of The Vague Story. 4 00:00:44,759 --> 00:00:47,719 But first, I want to encourage you, if you're enjoying 5 00:00:47,759 --> 00:00:52,960 the podcast, to please follow us using your favorite podcast software. 6 00:00:53,759 --> 00:00:56,119 And I also want to encourage you to check out 7 00:00:56,119 --> 00:00:59,520 our other podcast, and I want to highlight the Old 8 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,000 Time ra Radio snack Wagon at snackwagon dot net. 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From the pages of the 21 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Free Press. The story of a sneaking suspicion that became 22 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:21,280 a dead Certainty Detroit, Michigan. The story is that actually happened. 23 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,319 Kenneth McCormick story as he lived it. 24 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 5: You've seen it before, Ken McCormick of the Detroit Free Press. 25 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,560 In twenty years of reporting, you've seen it lots of times. 26 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,120 But somehow you've never gotten used to the look of murder, 27 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,360 especially violent murder. The shattered glass, the shambles of tables 28 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:57,960 and chairs, the twisted body, always the sand. And now 29 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:01,080 on this Sunday morning in the suburb of Holland Park, 30 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:04,159 as he standing in the living room of a shabby bungalow. 31 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,240 Now you're seeing it all over again. 32 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 6: What a mess. 33 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 4: I'm trying your press card. 34 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 7: Oh hey, you are, he tried pre press. Name is 35 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:15,479 Ken McConnell. I'm Captain WALTSH Hallen Parker. 36 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: Take it for you. How do you do car meke? Huh? 37 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,560 You're the guy that got the Pulletzer prize a few 38 00:03:20,599 --> 00:03:23,240 years ago. Oh you have a good memory, Captain. What's 39 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,000 the dead man's name? Bradway? George F. 40 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,479 Speaker 3: Bradway, aged sixty nine, working in the candy factory. Looks 41 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:28,479 like he took quite a beating. 42 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 4: What did I have? 43 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,759 Speaker 3: Broken ribs, probably punctured his lungs at the curt around 44 00:03:32,759 --> 00:03:34,680 midnight last night, reported early this morning. 45 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 4: Anything else you want to know where I'd like to 46 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,879 get an interview with his family. He can't. He hasn't 47 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:41,919 got any one of the neighbors founded party. See what 48 00:03:41,919 --> 00:03:43,319 do you think the motive was robbery? 49 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:43,759 Speaker 3: What else? 50 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 4: Look at the joint? 51 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 7: Someone sure took it apart. But this bungalow captain of 52 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:51,240 furnishing the way it's kept what I mean it? 53 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: It doesn't look like the old guy had much to 54 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:53,439 be robbed of. 55 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: Somebody must have thought he had. 56 00:03:55,719 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: What about all these muddy tracks on the floor. Who 57 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,560 knows anyone could have made them, even Radway himself. I 58 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:02,719 hate this kind of case. 59 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: You know why? 60 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:06,919 Speaker 4: Why? Because the motive is too broad to him? Personal robbery. 61 00:04:07,199 --> 00:04:09,479 Speaker 3: Any one of five thousand bums are Foodlum's could have 62 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,919 bust in beating up the occupant friends I could. 63 00:04:11,759 --> 00:04:13,879 Speaker 4: Joint and cleared up. I hate this kind of it. 64 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:15,360 Who was the neighbor captain, you know, the one who 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,000 found the body? 66 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,439 Speaker 3: Oh, missus Florence Kemper. She and her husband were good 67 00:04:18,439 --> 00:04:21,000 friends of Radway. House is on the next street. Back 68 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:22,439 to back with this when you can see a corner 69 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,079 of it through the trees. Well, I think I'll go 70 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:25,879 over and talk to her when you're wasting your time. 71 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 4: We already got her style. At least I can get 72 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:28,360 her picture. 73 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's what I envy about your newspaper guys. 74 00:04:32,079 --> 00:04:34,079 You take a picture, you write a little copy, and 75 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,920 as far as you're concerned, that's the end of it. 76 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,399 Speaker 4: I don't know, Captain. Sometimes it's just the beginning. 77 00:04:44,319 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 5: You wait for Frank Harmon, you're a photographer, to take 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,879 his shots of the murdency, and then the two of 79 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,600 you start out for missus Kemper's. 80 00:04:52,319 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 4: You take a short cut that leads to. 81 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,519 Speaker 5: The back lots from Radway's bungalow, and you've only gone 82 00:04:57,519 --> 00:04:59,720 about sixty yards when you see it. 83 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 4: Frank, look over here alongside the path. How you see that? Yeah? 84 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:04,319 Speaker 8: I see it? 85 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 4: So what I look at? The color grayish ten very 86 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,160 expect Genda. Well, don't you remember those tracks in the bundlow? 87 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: Unless I'm color blind, this stuff matches perfectly. 88 00:05:16,519 --> 00:05:19,519 Speaker 4: See you're right, and look there right in the middle 89 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:23,360 of it. Yeah, it's like maybe part of a footprint. 90 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,879 Speaker 5: You go on to the neighbor's house and a few 91 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,079 minutes later you and Frank Harmon are sitting in the 92 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,920 neat little kitchen talking with missus Kempler, and she feels 93 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,680 potatoes for Sunday dinner. You're try not to notice the 94 00:05:42,959 --> 00:05:44,240 little trample. 95 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: In her hands. 96 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 9: You see, My husband and I knew the Radways for years, 97 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,399 ever since his wife died. George, that's mister Radways took 98 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,920 most of his meals with us. It's like one of 99 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,639 the family. Why it was such a shock, You understand, missus, 100 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,279 how I came to go over there this morning to 101 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:05,279 call him to breakfast. 102 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,639 Speaker 10: Then they used to come over with his own accord. 103 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 9: Mostly, yes, mister Harmon, But this morning we were up 104 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,759 earlier than usual, mister Kemperor couldn't sleep. 105 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 4: There is your husband around now, maybe we could talk 106 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:17,079 to him. 107 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 9: No, no, heralds is dealer on the clock church services. Besides, 108 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,079 he wasn't there with me at the bungalow. Oh you 109 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:31,399 were alone, Yes, knock on the back door with many answers. 110 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Then I looked through the window right away I knew 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,240 something terrible has happened. 112 00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:40,639 Speaker 11: I could see the place all topsy turban, and mister 113 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:41,600 Redway lying there. 114 00:06:42,399 --> 00:06:44,639 Speaker 7: Oh pit, and then you came back here and you 115 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,480 phoned the police, missus Campber, would you mind if I 116 00:06:48,519 --> 00:06:50,680 took a few pictures of it, you know, just sitting 117 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,000 here in your kitchen sort of? 118 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 6: Why? Yes, I wouldn't mind if you need the. 119 00:06:56,399 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 4: Fine, Just hold it like that, all right? That? 120 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 10: Who are then? What are they doing here? 121 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:06,879 Speaker 6: It's all right. 122 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 4: Held away from the Detroit Free Press, mister Campbell. 123 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:10,639 Speaker 10: We just wanted what. 124 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 12: You wants, Genie. Anyway, you've got no regard for people's feelings, 125 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:19,560 taking pictures, asking questions. 126 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,439 Speaker 6: It's all right, Harold. They don't mean any harm. 127 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,439 Speaker 10: It's all your fault to begin with. I told you, Florence. 128 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,360 I told you we shouldn't have reported. 129 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 6: It, but we had to. 130 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:30,639 Speaker 10: I found the body. 131 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 12: Someone else would have founded them, someone else could have 132 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:34,199 made the report. 133 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 10: But no, you wouldn't listen. Now, it's just like I said, 134 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:39,480 police and report is swarming all over. 135 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,959 Speaker 6: I don't mind so much. Harold kind of relieved me 136 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,120 to talk to Maybe you'd feel better too. 137 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 13: I don't want to talk to nobody. My best friend 138 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:58,720 just died. I got some feelings, even if you're only talk. 139 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:06,639 Speaker 4: Ah, I'm sorry. Yeah, he didn't intend to excuse me. 140 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 6: He didn't mean he doesn't know what he's saying. You're 141 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,560 sure we do understand. 142 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 5: The two of you leave, Frank goes back to the 143 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,439 office with his pictures, and as Captain Walks said, that's 144 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,759 the end of it. But somehow, Kenneth McCormick, you don't 145 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:37,559 want to drop this story, not yet, so just for 146 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,279 the record, you decide to check with the rest of 147 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:41,480 Redway's neighbors. 148 00:08:46,759 --> 00:08:49,799 Speaker 14: Well, now, come to think of it, there why someone 149 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:54,320 looked mighty suspicious stranger hung around the neighborhood outside of 150 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:54,960 the afternoon. 151 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: Help to say. 152 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 6: I did see him. I even came here. He was 153 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,799 a window washer, but I knew it was funny. He 154 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,480 was wearing a good brown suit. 155 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,399 Speaker 4: That's right, a brown suit, dark hair, medium height, and 156 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:17,480 a pretty heavy boot. Was trying to get in that 157 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,600 bungalow in the worst way. Come back three or four times. 158 00:09:20,799 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 3: It was dark. Thanks McCormick. But we already know about 159 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,559 this window washer, the dragon. It's been out for two hours. 160 00:09:31,639 --> 00:09:33,039 Speaker 4: You really think he did it, Captain? 161 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: How bet on it? 162 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,039 Speaker 4: He's our man, all right? If we can find him 163 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,559 with my luck. 164 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 3: That's a question. 165 00:09:45,039 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: The suspects description is fairly complete, but you wonder if 166 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,320 perhaps Missus Kempers saw him too and could supply a 167 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:56,279 few more details. So once again you visit the little 168 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,759 frame house. This time Arrow Kempus stays in the room. 169 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:04,559 He doesn't say much until his wife starts to answer 170 00:10:04,639 --> 00:10:06,600 your question about the stranger. 171 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 6: I know, mister McCormick, I don't remember it. 172 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,799 Speaker 10: Yes, there was someone. 173 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,759 Speaker 4: I saw him, You did, mister Kemper. 174 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 12: Yes, it was late Saturday night. I was standing near 175 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,240 the back window here and I happened to look over 176 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,879 to Georgia's place. Yeah, he had the kitchen light on. 177 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 6: I could see this guy on the back, poorch Why Harold, 178 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:31,480 you never mentioned that to me? 179 00:10:32,279 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 10: Well, I was too upset, that's all. I didn't think 180 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:34,639 of it. 181 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 4: What did this man look like, mister Kemper? Could you see? 182 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:42,879 Speaker 10: Well? He was He's fund a tall and thin, wearing 183 00:10:42,919 --> 00:10:43,679 a lumberjacket. 184 00:10:44,799 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 4: But the window washer wore a brownze suit. He wasn't 185 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:49,480 tall and he wasn't thin. 186 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:52,919 Speaker 6: Why Harold, that's important? How could you forget a thing 187 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,279 like that? You should have told the police. 188 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:55,159 Speaker 15: First off, they. 189 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,919 Speaker 10: Didn't ask him all right, Like I said, it slipped 190 00:10:57,919 --> 00:10:58,279 my mind. 191 00:10:58,799 --> 00:11:02,159 Speaker 5: While the tempers that talking. You move casually to the 192 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,440 back window and look out, and it's just as you thought. 193 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:09,440 Harold Kemper couldn't possibly have seen anyone on Bradway's porch, 194 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:14,600 because from this window the bungalow is completely obscured by trees. 195 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 4: Then one of those little. 196 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 5: Faithful accidents happens. The pencil you've been holding in your 197 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:27,000 hand drops and rolls under the davenport. You kneel to 198 00:11:27,039 --> 00:11:31,399 retrieve it, and there before your eyes is something which, 199 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,559 in the breath of an instant, contracts your vaconjectures to a. 200 00:11:35,639 --> 00:11:37,879 Speaker 4: Steel hard core of suspicion. 201 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:01,639 Speaker 5: This is Sy Harris, returning your narrator and the big 202 00:12:01,759 --> 00:12:06,759 story of Kenneth McCormick as he lived it and wrote it. You, 203 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,960 Kenneth McCormick of the Detroit Free Press, are kneeling by 204 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,600 the davenport in the Kemper's living room, and. 205 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 4: A wild surmise is beating inside. 206 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 5: You know, for under that davenport, obviously kicked there in 207 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:25,639 an attempt to conceal them, are several broken clouds of 208 00:12:25,759 --> 00:12:33,080 grayish tan clay. You straighten up for the realization that 209 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,120 somehow you've got to get a sample of that clay. 210 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,679 The samples you can match with the tracks and a 211 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:42,000 dead man's bungalow over the campers here in this room. 212 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: It's out of the question. You'll have to get rid 213 00:12:44,759 --> 00:12:47,879 of them, but only for a moment. So you take 214 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:48,840 a long chance. 215 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:52,639 Speaker 5: You turned to Harold Kemper, and you begin asking questions 216 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,759 about Radway, about the man in the lumberjacket, question after question, 217 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:59,200 until finally. 218 00:12:59,639 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 10: Listen, mister ive told you all I know. 219 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,879 Speaker 7: Are you sure, mister Kemper you forgot about the man 220 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,200 on the porch until tonight? Or maybe there's something else? 221 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:13,399 Speaker 10: No, no, there's nothing else. Besides, I can't stand here 222 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,159 talking all night. I got work to do. I got 223 00:13:15,279 --> 00:13:15,840 to fix the car. 224 00:13:16,159 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 6: The car, there's nothing. 225 00:13:17,919 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 10: About the cast line. What do you know about that place? 226 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 9: I'm so worried about my husband, mister McConn taking this 227 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,799 thing awful bad. Now we have to go to the 228 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:33,360 morgue tomorrow night at nine o'clock and identified George's body. 229 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,679 Harold hasn't seen him dead yet. I don't know what 230 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:38,120 he'll do. 231 00:13:38,759 --> 00:13:42,039 Speaker 7: Be kind of tough for him, I guess, missus Kemper, 232 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,639 could I but I trouble you for agress of water? 233 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 6: Oh, I certainly that's no trouble, just that right there. 234 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,279 Speaker 4: You cross quickly to the damn car, reach under, grab 235 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,000 some of the clay. Stop it in your pocket, and 236 00:13:55,159 --> 00:14:00,200 they're just getting up one nut. Wrap your pencil again, mister, Yes, 237 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,320 fix your car already. 238 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 10: I came back for a wrench. 239 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,519 Speaker 3: Oh well, uh, I'll. 240 00:14:09,399 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 7: Believing no, mister Kemper. Tell your wife to never mind 241 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,600 about that drink of water. I don't feel thirsty anymore. 242 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,279 Speaker 4: Your way out and left field. McCormick. 243 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:28,759 Speaker 3: This Kemper was right away's best friend. 244 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:29,279 Speaker 1: I know that. 245 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:31,879 Speaker 3: But you found some clay in his house last night. 246 00:14:31,919 --> 00:14:33,639 What does that pro Look at the samples? 247 00:14:33,679 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 7: Now, here's some from Kemper's, some from the murder scene, 248 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,840 and some from the mud patch along the path, and 249 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:38,759 they're all identical. 250 00:14:38,799 --> 00:14:42,279 Speaker 3: That's grayish shield color, old things that way. McCormick. Oh, 251 00:14:42,519 --> 00:14:45,639 you need a third detailed lab analysis. I'll send the 252 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:47,679 stuff in. But it doesn't make any difference anyway, because 253 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,039 even if it is the same, Kemper could have made 254 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,960 those tracks at some other times. Then why did he 255 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:53,919 kick the pieces under his sofa? Why did he try 256 00:14:53,919 --> 00:14:56,000 to hide? Maybe he didn't, Maybe his wife just brush 257 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:57,759 him out of the way. Oh nuts, his wife is 258 00:14:57,759 --> 00:14:59,320 as neat as a pin. She'd cleaned the dirt, oup 259 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,960 she wouldn't push you under the furniture. And another thing, 260 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,919 if Kemper was such a good friend, why wouldn't he 261 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,000 have gone to the bungalow and tried to help Radway 262 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,279 after his wife came back and told what she'd seen, 263 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,840 unless he already knew the old man was dead. You 264 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,679 can't tell about things like that. The guy gets sick 265 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,120 of the sight of blood. A lot of people do. Yeah, sure, 266 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:18,960 Kemper's a respectable citizen. I'm not gonna pull him in 267 00:15:19,039 --> 00:15:21,000 on your hunch and leave myself open to a charge 268 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:21,679 of false arrest. 269 00:15:21,799 --> 00:15:24,279 Speaker 4: No sense, Oh well, I just thought we gotta lead. 270 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: Now we know the motive was robbery, and we know 271 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,159 why the rumor all over the neighborhood that Radway kept 272 00:15:30,159 --> 00:15:30,840 money in his house. 273 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: You can bet that window washer heard it cool as 274 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,200 soon as we roused him. 275 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:36,919 Speaker 3: The case will be in the bag. 276 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,039 Speaker 5: Even to yourself, you'll have to admit that Kemper would 277 00:15:46,039 --> 00:15:49,519 probably not have killed his friend just to Robin. Then 278 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,519 your fairy gets another body blow in Radway's house under 279 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:58,120 an ironing bought cover. Walch's men find four hundred dollars 280 00:15:58,759 --> 00:16:01,600 that seems to Clint the robbery motives, and then comes 281 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:05,320 the Rabbit Times. The same day, Monday, in the late afternoon, 282 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,000 the window. 283 00:16:06,799 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 4: Washer is found. You're there in Walts's office when they 284 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,759 bring him in. His name is John Bruno, and his 285 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,240 story is pitifully weak. You would admit you were in 286 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:17,919 the neighborhood. 287 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,639 Speaker 3: You admit that I know, Captain, that's right, I was. 288 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:22,480 And you admit going to Radway's house. 289 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,639 Speaker 4: Hey, I went to all the house once. 290 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: You went back to that house free times. 291 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,919 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't remember. Don't lie. The neighbors 292 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,240 saw you. I want you to go back before Bruno. 293 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 16: Why, I don't know. I guess because nobody was home 294 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:38,080 the first time, so I don't know where'd to go 295 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,840 after got dark. 296 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 3: Where were you that night? Well, I went back to 297 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:45,399 my room. It's back to the room in house. And 298 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,679 you prove it, and you prove your stayed there all night. 299 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 16: Oh no, I didn't see no one to live alone. 300 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,759 You gotta take my word, mister, honest. I didn't go 301 00:16:53,919 --> 00:16:55,639 back to the bungalow. I didn't kill no one. 302 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: Honest. You got to take my word. 303 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,039 Speaker 5: You'll look at that bewildered, frightened man in the brown suits, 304 00:17:04,559 --> 00:17:05,680 and you know one thing. 305 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: John Bruno is innocent. 306 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,839 Speaker 5: His story is weak. He has no alibi, no witnesses. 307 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,839 But how many innocent people do. Then it strikes you 308 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:20,359 there's one angle you haven't yet tried. Kemper's movements on 309 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,359 the night of a crime. 310 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 11: Well, every Saturday a lot of them in the neighborhood 311 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:27,799 sneak off to some tavern or other. 312 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 10: It's terrible. 313 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,640 Speaker 6: I wouldn't let my husband do it. 314 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:33,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 315 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 14: Yeah, it's a beer garden and six Mile Road. Kemper 316 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:38,880 and Redway usually went out there together. 317 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 4: Oh, I ain't seen them their last Saturday, all right, 318 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,279 both of them pretty drunk. So I give him a 319 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:53,079 wide berth. That is that the answer. 320 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 5: You wish you could be sure and you remember something. 321 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,920 At nine o'clock to night, the Kempers will be at 322 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,519 mog to identify the body. You check your watch, you 323 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:07,519 can make it. Maybe maybe if you're there when Harold 324 00:18:07,599 --> 00:18:10,480 Kemper has to look at his dead friend, maybe you'll 325 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:11,240 see something. 326 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 10: You grab a. 327 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,599 Speaker 5: Cab and at one minute of nine you walk into 328 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,079 the medical Examiner's office at the seton Mague. 329 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 4: Missus Kemper is there, but she's alone. Where's your husband? 330 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,920 Where is he? Missus Kemper. 331 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,319 Speaker 6: He decided not to come in last minute. He thought 332 00:18:26,319 --> 00:18:27,519 it'd be too much for him. 333 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 9: He's waiting for me out on the streets as well. 334 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 7: We may if it's chat mouse, I can play that 335 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:49,720 game too. Join the view, mister Kemper. Oh better than 336 00:18:49,759 --> 00:18:50,799 the one inside, isn't it. 337 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 10: What do you want? 338 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 4: Well, I just thought i'd tell you how the case 339 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:57,200 is coming. You were his best friend. I figured you'd 340 00:18:57,279 --> 00:18:57,519 like to know. 341 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:04,559 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, well have they they found anything yet? 342 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 4: Oh? They know who the murderer is. 343 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:07,519 Speaker 6: They do. 344 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: They're just making sure of they're evidence. 345 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 7: They found a patch of mud in the back lot, 346 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,559 you know, with a footprint in it, and now they're 347 00:19:13,599 --> 00:19:14,920 checking with the tracks in the bungalow. 348 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 4: As soon as the lab tests come through, they'll probably 349 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:18,559 make the arrest. 350 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 10: That don't seem like much to go on. 351 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,279 Speaker 4: Oh they have other evidence too, onny of it? 352 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,079 Speaker 6: I see you found my husband, that's true. 353 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 7: Yes, we even have a little talk, how about you, 354 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:31,920 missus Temper Hall finished in side. 355 00:19:32,039 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 9: Yes, Yes, I made the identification all right, and Harold 356 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,400 you know, I'm sure it won't be long before they 357 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:39,839 catch the. 358 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 6: Man who did it. 359 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:42,039 Speaker 4: How could you know? 360 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,519 Speaker 6: Because I saw something and I'm sure the police saw 361 00:19:46,559 --> 00:19:46,880 it too. 362 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 9: What do you mean, Well, on George's throat there were 363 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,839 three or four fingerprints, just as plain as could be. 364 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 5: And the joke of it, the grim, grim joke of it, 365 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,839 is that missus Kemper has made a mistake what she 366 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:12,799 saw when that finger prints which can be traced, but 367 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,680 finger marks which cannot. Only Harold Kemper in the white 368 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,720 heat of his fear is far beyond figuring that out. 369 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,759 His face gives you the answer. Now you know this 370 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:28,200 man is a murderer. More than that, he's a murderer 371 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,839 chased by the phantom of his own fear. He's right 372 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,759 for the plucking if you can just get Captain Walltz 373 00:20:33,839 --> 00:20:34,920 to sketch out her hand. 374 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,799 Speaker 4: But I told you my story, Captain, I told you 375 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,799 a million times. Never mind, Bruno will tell me again. 376 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:45,880 What's the use. 377 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,319 Speaker 3: I'm only going to say the same thing. I didn't 378 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,640 do it, So what's the use? 379 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 4: All right? Sorry? Can take him out, yes, sir, what's 380 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:58,400 the matter? Captain? You can't crag? 381 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:01,079 Speaker 7: Oh, he'll Craig him six months from now out of 382 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,319 sheer exhaustion. Look, Bruno was innocent, you know that, and 383 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,160 Kemper is guilty. 384 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,039 Speaker 4: You just wounded. 385 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,759 Speaker 3: I've got enough complications with it. I told you what 386 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,279 I found out about Kemper. I showed you the motive, Captain. 387 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,920 The lab report is here, and those three samplus of clay. 388 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:20,599 Speaker 7: What's the gist of its, sergeant? All identical, Sir, Captain, 389 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,880 how much proof do you want? 390 00:21:22,759 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 4: I don't know. 391 00:21:23,599 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 7: If you don't want to pull him in, at least 392 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,359 go out to his house now and question him. The 393 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,920 guy will break, I know he will. He's on the 394 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,799 thin edge of nothing. It's late, it's after midnight. What 395 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,839 is it you really don't like, Captain? The lateness of 396 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,119 the hour. Are junking your pet theory? Come on, let's go. 397 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: Don't pull in the driveway, sergeant, just bark out front. Yes, sir, 398 00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:59,160 all right, sergeant, you wait here, Come on McCormick. 399 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:10,599 Speaker 17: Mm hmmm, Oh evening, missus, Kepper, hell, I wonder if 400 00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:11,799 I could see your husband for a minute. 401 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, he isn't here. He's gonna happen. 402 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 4: You know when he'll be back. 403 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 6: No, I don't. 404 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: Could we come in for a minute, yes, Christmas coming 405 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,519 kind of late to go out, isn't it. You know 406 00:22:26,599 --> 00:22:27,599 where your husband's gone. 407 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 6: He didn't tell me. Is there any message you wanted 408 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,759 to leave, missus Kemper. 409 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 4: You've been crying everything. Is it anything to do with No, No, 410 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:43,319 it's just. 411 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 7: What you'd better tell us everything. Missus Kemper will find 412 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:52,119 out anyway. You see, we we know what your husband's doing. 413 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 18: Yes, yes, he did it. 414 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,279 Speaker 4: He got George long. 415 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 18: As you know. He just told me about an hour ago, 416 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,880 and we came that from the morgue. 417 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:13,839 Speaker 6: He was all ticklight. 418 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 18: That and he told me said here and George got 419 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,440 into a fight that night over over who is to 420 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:28,759 buy more beer. Carol gets to the terrible rages and 421 00:23:29,759 --> 00:23:32,839 he beats the old man up. Then when he saw 422 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,559 he was dead, he upset everything to make it look 423 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:36,279 like a robbery. 424 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 15: I don't know. 425 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 18: He was terribly afraid. 426 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 11: She knew you'd be coming after him, he said, He said, 427 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,720 they're not going to put me in no prison. And 428 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:55,640 he rushed out to the garage to get the car. 429 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,079 Speaker 7: We won't get wait a minute, captain the car here 430 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,440 I saw in the garage as we came up the walk. 431 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,599 Speaker 3: Jansky, are your spotlight on that garage and come with me. 432 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,279 We're going in after Kemper. 433 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 4: Wait up, Captain, I want to be on This is 434 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,240 a better friend. Clear, come out of that garage, Kemper. 435 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 3: You don't stand a chance. 436 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 4: All right, we're coming in. He went on the other 437 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:33,000 side of the car. Out from this side, Kemper. He's 438 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:36,160 not on this side, Captain. He's not here either. Wait, 439 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:37,920 we'll go with this. 440 00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 10: That's corner just off the floor. 441 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 8: There. 442 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:44,519 Speaker 3: Use their hair, Harmon, don't let her in here here 443 00:24:44,599 --> 00:24:44,960 is Comper. 444 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,839 Speaker 4: Don't don't go there. 445 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: You're lonely, dove, you alone. 446 00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 18: Harolds, where are you? 447 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 6: Carold? 448 00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:53,039 Speaker 15: Are you. 449 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 3: Now? 450 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: We read you that telegram from Kenneth mccomick of the 451 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,160 Detroit Free Press. 452 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:14,519 Speaker 4: Not out of remorse, but out of pure fear. 453 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 7: The killer in the Night's Big Story hanged himself with 454 00:25:17,319 --> 00:25:20,880 a piece of clothesline. His wife's story brought the instant 455 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,960 release of the window washer and closed the case. 456 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,039 Speaker 8: And so ends another big story. 457 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 19: In order to protect the names of people actually involved 458 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000 in the Knight's authentic Big Story, the names of all 459 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,000 characters and the dramatization were changed with the exception of 460 00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:47,240 the newspaper reporter. This is the United States Armed Forces 461 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,880 Radio Service, the voice of Information and Education. 462 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 6: And. 463 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: Welcome back. Let's go ahead and give you the cast information. 464 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,720 Kenneth McCormick was played by Bill Smith. Also in the 465 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:22,559 cast Kathleen Today, Louis van Ruten, Bob Dryden, Bill Lipton, 466 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,799 and Leonard Bell. Now, the original story that this was 467 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:33,319 based on occurred in nineteen thirty nine in Highland Park, 468 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:37,400 Michigan and a Glenn We're quoting from stories Behind the 469 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,160 Big Story by doctor Joe Webb, and the man who 470 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:47,599 was murdered was William Rogert, killed by his neighbor Walter Boss. 471 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:55,559 And the confusion between fingerprints and finger marks really was 472 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:01,160 the key to the killer doing himself. At One thing 473 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,880 that's changed in the radio episode, perhaps for the sake 474 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:10,160 of being efficient, is the location of the suicide and 475 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,880 the method. In addition to hanging himself, the killer slashed 476 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,440 his wrist and he actually went over to a friend's 477 00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:22,640 house to do it and to hang himself in the basement, 478 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,640 which makes more sense in the garage because I was 479 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,880 expecting as they were going into the garage that if 480 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,960 he had committed suicide, it would have been by carbon 481 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:37,279 monoxide poisoning. But I can see why the writers changed 482 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,039 that detail just to have economy in the storytelling. It 483 00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:47,039 was an interesting scene when McCormick called out the police 484 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,440 officer for being stuck on his pet theory. The police 485 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,160 officers like, eventually I can break the window washer, and 486 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,440 the reporters like, how about you go find the actual 487 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,960 killer instead? All right, well, listener comments and feedback now, 488 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,519 and we have a couple on Spotify reguarding pure to 489 00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:14,839 morality and violent death. A random Spotify user rights, let's 490 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,079 not throw stones. Who among us hadn't hasn't made their 491 00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,720 wife make lunch for ourselves and our mettrestress kiddy? 492 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 4: Now. 493 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,559 Speaker 1: I think the commentor felt the need to say kiddy 494 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,480 because he wanted to be clear on that. 495 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 8: And that's the thing. 496 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Those of us who are living and still married would 497 00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:42,400 answer that question with a solid no, which is why 498 00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:46,359 we're still married. And you know, I think this is 499 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,799 like the Gambling and Divorce episode a few weeks before that, 500 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:57,000 where it emphasizes something about a specific region that a 501 00:29:57,079 --> 00:29:59,759 story set in, or where somebody comes from, that doesn't 502 00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:02,559 have whole lot to do in the case, because what 503 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,200 that guy was doing, it wasn't like, oh, you have 504 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,839 got to be just this ultra extreme puritanical woman to 505 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,160 have a problem with that. Actually, no, not at all. 506 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880 And then a comment from Dino who says, maybe it's 507 00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:23,119 just me, but the narration of the Whistler reminds me 508 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,119 of the Whistler. Might be a complete coincidence, and they 509 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,920 are technically in different genres, but the narration sounds very 510 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,559 similar to me. You know, there is actually a key 511 00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:39,880 similarity in the narration, and that is that these are 512 00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:45,319 rare instances of the use of second person narration. Now, 513 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,559 typically when we get narration, it's either first person like 514 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,480 you'll get on something like Dragnet or Sam Spade, where 515 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,519 the narrator is the lead character or one of the 516 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,599 main characters and they're telling you what they experienced and 517 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:08,440 what happened, or you get third person narration like you 518 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,440 get on something like Nick Carter or Let George do It, 519 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,799 where the narrator is telling you, well, this is what 520 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,079 George Valentine. 521 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:17,359 Speaker 15: Did. 522 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 1: What you get with the Big Story is second person 523 00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,160 immersive narration, and this is what you also get with 524 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:29,119 the Whistler, where the narrator tells you who you are. 525 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,759 You are Kenneth McCormick, and then the story is told 526 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:38,359 in a way as if you are experiencing the story, 527 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,039 and the whistler goes the same way where you are 528 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:48,640 experiencing the story as whoever has stepped into the shadows. 529 00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,759 And that might be what I find a little bit 530 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,759 unsettling about the Whistler. I love the series, but I 531 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,359 don't listen to it a time because I don't like 532 00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:03,599 to get too many of those experiences from the perspective 533 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400 of the sort of people they feature there. The big Story, though, 534 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:12,720 as someone who was ever so briefly a reporter, is 535 00:32:12,839 --> 00:32:16,119 a much more enjoyable listen. But thanks so much, appreciate 536 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480 the question, Dino. Well, now it's time to thank our 537 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,839 Patreon supporter of the day. Thank you to Formula Bruce, 538 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:28,599 Patreon supporter since December twenty twenty four, currently supporting the 539 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:33,240 podcast at the Detective Sergeant level of seven dollars and 540 00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,319 fourteen cents or more per month. And well, that will 541 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400 do it for today. If you're enjoying the podcast, please 542 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,720 follow us using your favorite podcast software and be sure 543 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,720 to rate and review the podcast wherever you download it from. 544 00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,839 We'll be back next Tuesday with another episode of the 545 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,759 Big Story. But join us back here tomorrow for broadways 546 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,880 my beat, where. 547 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 15: This is what Clover Rush, I am a wologize is 548 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,319 shaking with them left hand sling on the right courtesy 549 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,240 your medical department. 550 00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 4: Are you feeling, Russ? Fit? Fit? 551 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 15: Shoulder aches a little? 552 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 6: That so? 553 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:09,839 Speaker 3: Russ says he hardly knows what happened last night? 554 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 15: Danny, Oh, emotions like I told Detective Mugguman here since 555 00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:17,119 I was a lad, a bundle of nerves. You know 556 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,880 when a doc once told me I did I reject? 557 00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,920 Every time something large happens to me, I reject. My 558 00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:24,960 mind refuses to remember, Marge. 559 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 4: Isn't that interesting, Danny? However? 560 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:28,519 Speaker 15: Did I get here in this condition? 561 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,079 Speaker 4: That's what I'd like to know. I want you to 562 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,200 think about it, Russ. I want you to think hard, 563 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:34,519 Try to remember I talk, Russ. 564 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,359 Speaker 3: Just think who could have done it? 565 00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,359 Speaker 15: What happened? 566 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: Maybe I can help you, Russ. Gee I needed and. 567 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,119 Speaker 3: We can book out about eight counts the way I figure. 568 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,519 Speaker 15: Because I was shot? Oh, how do you like this 569 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:47,519 memory of mine? 570 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: It's suddenly like a what happened last night? Russ as 571 00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:51,039 clear as anything. 572 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 15: I continue to the detail. I walked into this back room, 573 00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:56,319 saw a gun on the table. I picked it up, and, 574 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,599 being cleanly by nature, I started to clean it. 575 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,519 Speaker 4: It went off, fired shots into the wall before it 576 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:02,000 got to you. 577 00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,559 Speaker 15: I couldn't control it. Who was alive in my hand? 578 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 4: There wasn't any gun in that room. Russ, where it is. 579 00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime. 580 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,360 Send your comments to Box thirteen at Great Detectives dot neit, 581 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,400 follow us on Twitter at Radio Detectives, and check us 582 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:26,960 out on Instagram, Instagram, dot com slash Great Detectives from Boise, Idaho. 583 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,280 This is your host, Adam Graham. 584 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 4: Sign and off.