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the former WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder coming up. It
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So as we do this heading into the weekend, we
now have the result from Japan. What was Thursday night
Japan Thursday morning US time. Brian Norman did go all
the way out to the Far East and score a
devastating one punch KO in the end in the fifth
round over Jens Sasaki. Scary Dan, I'm gonna use that
word again, scary left handed bomb Ko where Sasaki slammed
his head on the canvas after the knockdown, didn't move
for upwards of a minute. Wasn't moving, was taken on
a board out of the ring to be checked out.
Big win for Brian Norman, but there was immediate concern
for how serious the knockout was.
Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts, your insight.
Speaker 1: My thought when that bomb landed was thought, I'm watching
Many pack Yo knockout Ricky Hatton, because that's sort of
the essence of what that was like, just out of
the you know, just a monstrous shot right on the chin,
put him down and out, and you know as soon
as he's not even before he hits the canvas, you know,
you know, in the immortal words of Roy Jones, you
know he ain't getting up when Many pak Yo got
knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez. So that was my thought,
and up to that point, even before he had scored
the knockout, Brian Norman had looked absolutely sensational. It was
a very exciting action pack fight, but it was pretty
much one way traffic. I mean, Brian Norman was, you know,
beating him up pretty rough. He knocked him down two
times in round one. I didn't think they were devastating
kind of knockdown TJ because they were sort of equilibrium shots.
I felt like because Sasaki kind of leaned in and
he caught him sort of on the top of the head,
side of the head, and you know, he went down.
He showed a lot of hard to get up. But
right there, you're behind the eight ball because you got
a ten to seven round. And then he just kept
putting it on him. Now, Sasaki was a warrior, he
was game. He kept motioning him in and Brian, you know,
said okay, fine, and he went and whooped him up
side the head a little bit more. He did get
in some shots. Brian took them well, but he was
very poised, he was very composed, He was short with
his punches, he had better speed, he had better defense,
he had better everything. I think it was round number three,
if my recollection is correct. It was such a one
sided round, even without a knockdown. I'm like, that's a
ten eight round, and I don't score a lot of
those types of rounds, but that clearly could have been
and without the knockdown, and just kept shipping away and
the guy had just taken so much punishment that it
was to me, you know, it was after round two
or three. I'm like, this is just a matter of time.
It's not when he gets a knockout. I'm sorry, it's
when he gets a knockout, not if he gets a knockout.
And he did that. He looked really good. It's his
second defense. He's coming into his own. He's still now
the youngest the champion among men's boxers in the sport.
Had Sasaki won at age twenty three, he would have
taken over that mantle. But Brian Norman is not coming
home with anything less than his world title belt around
his waist. And you know, it was a great experience,
I believe for him to go there on enemy territory,
to have that notion now that you know that you
can travel, that you can go into the Nions, then
do the business. He made himself a little bit of
a bigger name now. I mean, the reality is this.
Dj I had said a long time ago when he
was coming up that he had a lot of hight
behind him, and I was of like, didn't get it.
I didn't see you, like why he was always disappointing.
Brian and I talked about that exact thing. I interviewed
him prior to the Derek Quavis fight, and he acknowledges like,
you know, I could have been better. You know, what
do you think now? So I said a lot better
because from the moment he got into the bigger spotlight.
When he won the what was at the time the
interim belt. He went to the hometown of Giovanni Santion
in San Diego. He whooped up on him and stopped
him a round ten. It was later elevated when Terrence
Crawford vacated. Then he had a little bit of a
layoff because of the hand injury. Then he came back
and he looked sensational again against Quavis. Not a top
notch guy, maybe not as good as sand Down, but
he looked really good. Only had the one loss beat
him up, made him quit. And now he goes to
Japan to fight to fight a very reputable Japanese contender
who had a lot of kind of heat behind him
by the by the diehards, very good punching power, and
absolutely shredded him. So he's got three highly impressive wins
in a row, each by knockout, and against two of
them anyway, against guys that were well regarded in Santian
and Sasaki, so to me, he's nothing but on the
up score.
Speaker 3: I love the composure that was mentioned on the top
rank ESPN Plus broadcast.
Speaker 2: He didn't rush in.
Speaker 3: He was getting caught some with the left hand, but
he didn't get over anxious and get caught with big punches.
He measured Sasaki a lot of the time for the
shots he was delivering, he showed a lot relative to
what it was. He was favored to win, even though
it was all the way in Japan for him. He
was favored to win, but he delivered and that was
a devastating shot. Now give us the update because you
put this on social media earlier on Thursday. Because for
the fans that were watching and saw this was I'm
going to use the word scary.
Speaker 2: It was scary.
Speaker 3: I was watching live and it was scary because they
pulled TV term, they pulled the camera.
Speaker 2: Back to a wide shot.
Speaker 3: They were not showing the Japanese production team and the director.
They were not showing the medical team closely working on him.
Then on the wide shot kind of saw them pick
him up on the board and take him out. And
so now we're left to try to figure out what's
going on. Who better to figure out what's going on
than you give us the update as you have it
here as the podcast rolls on.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like you said, it was a very
concerning situation, and it's sort of like I was having
flashbacks from just a couple of weeks ago when they
took shigg Yolka out of the ring on a stretcher
after his title fight and he got you know, he
didn't get knocked out from the standpoint of on the
floor for you know, what could have been one hundred count.
They he kind of collapsed in the corner when the
fight was over. It was a decision, but still we
don't laver like seeing anybody taking out on the board.
I checked with Carl Moretti, who was the VP of
Top Rank, who was present at the fight along with
the Top Rank boss man Bob Aram and just I
said to Carl, I said, hey, you know, do you
have any congratulations on Brian's victory, but you know, do
you have anything in terms of an update for what's
going on with Sasaki? And he said, look, they took
him to the hospital as a precaution to get checked out,
and he was back in the hotel resting, so he
is released. It looked a lot. I guess it looked
much worse than it turned out to be. Thankfully he's okay.
But that was as harsh a knockout as you'll see.
Look at the end of the year, there'll be a
lot of big knockouts to sort through. But when I
think people go and make their lists of the knockouts
of the year, no question that that will be among
the ones that people talk about.
Speaker 3: There's an argument that's the knockout of the year to
this point. Let's see, I mean, his title fight devastating
as you're going to see with one big shot. All right,
so this part is not a surprise. We'll talk more
about Jaron Innis moving up and why he's doing it.
But big things are ahead. Just one more time for
Brian Norman. Even if it's not within us, you would
think off of this win and off of a couple
of wins real quick.
Speaker 1: There's no question. I don't know who he's going to
fight next. It won't be in this obviously, even though
I think a lot of us would have liked to
see that. But and also corresponding with Carl MURRETTI, while
he was in Japan. What the top rank plans are
and you know there's no opponent of data location exactly.
They're going to have to make a deal with his management,
et cetera. But they're planning to bring him to Atlanta
to make it defense. I mean, you know you're gonna
says the old it's it's the Uh, it's the it's
This is not reinventing the wheel. This is this is
just common sense. He won the title, uh interm whatever
it was, in the other guy's hometown. He defended the
title on a Las Vegas show. He then had a
good opportunity from a financial perspective, to go and defend
in Japan. He he took that on no problem there.
And so now he's got a couple of defenses under
his belt and they're gonna bring him home. They're you know,
they're gonna try to make into an attraction locally. I mean,
he comes from the uh you know, he's born in
what Decatur, Georgia. You know, fights in the Atlanta area. Uh,
there's no reason why you can't have a good boxing
event in Atlanta. There hasn't been that many Tank Davis's
head had it, but there really hasn't been, you know,
other than that, a lot of big time boxing in
that area since basically I'll go back to the days
of Evander Holyfield. But Brian Norman, you know, he's a
local fighter, he's got a good personality. I think he'll
be able to sell a fight well. He's got a
great style to watch the way you've watched the last
few fights he's had. So I think they can make
Hay there and try to build them into an attraction
in that area. And you know, just look around the
weight class to see who they can match him up with.
I can guarantee you one thing. TJ. Top Rank and
Brian Norman, Brian's father, Brian Singer and his management, Uh,
they're not worried about matching with anybody in the walterweight
division at all.
Speaker 3: Love that all right? There was another fight that you
were interested on this car. Do you want me to
try the name thangan on simsry?
Speaker 2: Is that how you say it?
Speaker 3: Beat Christian Aaron Nada And that was for the IBF
Junior flyweight title.
Speaker 2: You wanted to say something about that? That was on
the undercard ones, That's not.
Speaker 1: What I wanted to it, says this was the other
title fight on the show. Uh it was for it,
like you said, the vacant title. This was uh Yabuki
who had vacated the title to move up and wait
where he then became, uh the one A flyweight world title.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: So they matched up Baronetta and the Thailand fighter, uh Simsrie,
and it was okay fight. It was sort of like
I kind of felt like it never really kind of
got out of like second gear, let's say, like it
it had starts and stops to it. There was not
a lot of like free flowing action or there was
no domination. It turned out to be that Simpsey won
a split decision. Listen to some of what the commentary
was they were talking about, like they could certainly see
it either way. I guess. I think in the end,
the judges that voted in favor of Simsony, they liked
the aggression a little bit more. He was more of
the guy that was sort of making the fight compared
to Aaronetta. It's not the kind of fight that you'll
be talking about for years to come. In the end,
he wins one sixteen to one eleven. That was clearly
the judge that favored the aggression one fifteen to one twelve,
and then the third judge had Aaronetta winning the fight
one fourteen to one thirteen. It is what it is.
You've got a guy with a new belton, you know,
if he can develop, we'll see. The Thailand boxing scene
has always been rich with champions through the years. They
add another one to the list. Unfortunately, a lot of
those guys sometimes go in active or and if they
are active, even you don't get a chance to see
much of them on this side of the world, you know.
But at least in terms of that particular fight, Simstrey
was at least a more interesting guy to watch because
Aaronetta kind of craped the bet if you ask me.
Speaker 3: All right, good insight there in the recap mode. Now
let's get to what we do in the preview mode,
and that includes the upcoming Dezone Birmingham, England main events
Saturday afternoon US time Saturday night prime time for the
interim WBC flyweight title, speaking of flyweights, held by Gallia Phi.
He defends against Mexican Francisco Rodriguez. Ya Phi is a
decorated British amateur who's had what nine pro fights tell
me a little more in the preview mode here about
this battle with a veteran that's had a lot more
fights in Francisco Rodriguez.
Speaker 1: It is kind of wild when you think about that.
So you mentioned Fi he is nine to zero. He's
thirty two years old, which is unusual because as you mentioned,
he was a decorated amateur. He stayed amateur for much
longer than your average guy that would have a good
amateur in tern professional. For reason is he was a
twenty sixteen Olympian. He returned and state amateur, fought again
in the twenty twenty Olympics. He won the gold medal
for Britain. I mean comes from a boxing family. I
mean his brothers Khalidia Phi and and and you know
he's got his you know they've CALIU fined. They were
you know, he was a world champion. They have that
boxing background. So he stayed amateur. Those brothers were good
amateurs as well. And he comes into the pro. So
as I said, he's nine and always aged thirty two.
His opponent in Francisco Rodriguez Junior, also aged thirty two,
thirty nine wins, six losses and one draw. So way
you know, forty six what is it, forty six professional
fights compare.
Speaker 2: Forty seven times the fights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually forty seven bouts because he also has a
no contest on his times the fights. Yes, you know,
that's that's quite the stark difference. But again, one guy
was amateur for a long time. Rodriguez, like a lot
of young Mexican fighters, turned pro a long time ago
with very little amateur back. And this is so yafai.
He's been a pro for like, you know, two years.
Francisco Riga has been a professional for fifteen years, turn
pro in late part of twenty ten and has fought
a ton of top guys. His biggest moment was a
decade ago when he became the unified champion at Strawey
and he's consistently moved up. He's got six losses. The
only time he ever got stopped was by Roman Gonzalez
choc Latito with a great Rowan Gonzales. That was in
a strawweight fight, pre championship, in a ten rounder, not
even for a title, And that shows you the kind
of Chinese got because he's fought quality guys. He's fought
and these were decision losses to guys like Kazuto Ioka,
top Japanese fighter for many years, multi divisional world champion.
Same thing in terms of Jento Nakatani, who is a
devastating puncher these days if you watch his fights. So
he's got top notch resume even if those were losses.
But he's also beaten some guys, and like I said,
he was a unified champion, he's gotten an opportunity. This
is a mandatory fight even though it's only an interim
title doubt, and he's going on the road to fight
you FI in Birmingham, England, which is UFI stomping ground.
So he's gonna have obviously the big hometown crowd. He's
gonna have to deal with the u PHI South past style.
Uh And so while I look at the fight, I
feel like it's probably a pretty good fight action wise.
Rodriguez has been in some barn burners through the years.
You Phi has been somewhat crowd pleasing as well. He's
coming off a big win where he sent Sony Edwards
into retirement, where he was able to win this you know,
vacant interim title for whatever that's worth. Sonny had been
a champion at flyway for a while. You know, had
dead lost of course previously, and when he squared off
with Bam Rodriguez and a unification, but again this was, uh,
he fi's had ninth professional fight, and he took on
a very season veteran like like Sony Edwards, and they
beat him pretty handily. And now he's taking another guy
that has a lot of accomplishment, a lot of top
names on that resume, and see if he can keep uh,
keep the show going. Here's the bottom line. When he
turned pro at that age, match Room Boxing, which is
his promoter, the fighter, their whole team. They knew we're
not in this for like, we don't need a million fights.
We're going right into real guys. So again, when he
turned professionally, he was fighting in a ten rounder. He
didn't waste time on sixes and eights and four So
now it's uh, he's in with real guys. I mean,
nobody can sit here and say I thought Sony Edwards
you were you know, cherry picking, or I'm fighting you know,
Francisco Ordriguez, you're cherry picking. He's fighting competent quality fighters
in his flyweight division, and we'll see if he can
keep the train going. But he's a he's a really
good fighter, even if time is not on his side.
Speaker 3: Again, that is Saturday night in the UK, Saturday afternoon
US time. A reminder coming up the bronze bomber Deontay
Wilder with Dan prior to next Friday Night, June twenty
seventh's return for him against Tyrrell Herndon. Stay tuned for
that conversation. Now, let's talk a little bit about the middleweight. Really,
two different middleweight fights. Veto Milnicki is the main event
in Newark, New Jersey on ESPN Plus Saturday Night, But
I know you are equally he is interested in the
co feature fight immediately before it on the undercard with
another middleweight and Jahee Tucker. So talk to me about
these two fights in the preview mode here.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: Look, it's something that we've talked about before. You are
still not sold on mil Nikki here. You want to
see more than what you've seen, go ahead?
Speaker 1: Not really, I'm just I'm being honest. On this card
does nothing for me. I'm disappointed that it's even happening,
that that that it's being made into like a big
deal main event on ESPN Plus. I don't get it. Uh,
Noil Nicky is in my opinion, a club fighter, level fighter, jaws,
a good crowd, nice kid and all that. But uh
he's fighting. Uh you know, Camille, how do we say,
We're gonna say his name card Zelik, Jorge Zelik. Uh,
he's undefeated. For what that's worth. He's right from Poland,
So I mean that's the attraction for the local audience.
You know, Veto is from that area in New Jersey,
not from Newark, but in that area, so he'll have
his fans that show up. He's always been a guy
that that brought some fans and sold some tickets. Uh,
have a a Polish opponent in Newark, which has got
a very large Polish community. They anytime there. That's where
Thomas Adamek, you know, who was a top champion and
obviously was Polish, had a huge crowd that turned out
for his fights on a regular basis. That main events
used to put on there years ago. So anyway, they're
relying on, you know a lot of interest from the
two local audiences, the New Jersey fans that are out
there for Veto and the Polish fans that are going
to turn out for the main event, as well as
for some of the other Polish fighters that are on
this undercard, and hopefully they'll put on a good fight.
But to think that this is somehow meaningful from the standpoint,
like you know, guys are going to be in world
championship contention or fighting real guys afterwards, it's not really
like this. It's more like a show. It is what
it is. But you know, Noil Nicky's coming off the
draw against Connor Coyle in February that was on an
undercard that top rank did at the Madison Square Guard Theater.
Kind of a disappointing result for for Veto. They match
them up with the Polish opponent, Camille Garzelik, who's nineteen
zero with four knockouts. But TJ, when I'm looking at
his recordmend I mean nothing of that. He's fighting guys
who are like his last fight before this one. First
of all, it's only a second ever ten rounder, Like
three four fights ago he fought at ten. He's basically
been fighting six as an eight. His last fight was
a scheduled sixth rounder back in November. He fought an
opponent and didn't even get a knockout. Went a majority
decision in a sixth rounder against an opponent it was
four wins and fourteen losses. I mean the fight before that,
he fought a guy that was twenty six, twenty five
and two. I mean, lord, that's the type of opponents
are matching up with. So nothing to you get pumped
up in terms of the main event.
Speaker 2: Even if mil Nikki wins.
Speaker 3: But you're much more interested in this Tucker Lorenzo Simpson.
We will feature fight, same division, in the middle of
a division.
Speaker 1: When you say much more interested, it's all relative. I'm
really not interested that much in either one of them.
Speaker 3: But either let me rephrase Calts, or you're actually interested
in the feature fight.
Speaker 2: How about that? Will you accept that?
Speaker 1: At least with Tucker and Simpson, they're younger guys. They're
trying to still make a go of things. They came
with a lot of hype. They may not have lived
up to it initially, but maybe they still have a chance.
You know, they're in their early twenties. Tucker is fourteen
one and one. You know, he is a New York fighter,
and he's taking on Lorenzo Simpson. It was at one
point part of the Tank Davis camp. He's got a
lot of hype on him when he turned pro, but
he suffered some surprising losses. He lost to the upset
specialist Vladimir Hernandez, who's been in with everybody a couple
of fights ago. He lost to Raco Santana in a
split decision. You know, he's got one Winstonce And but again,
these are guys that it's like, this is the fight
where one guy can take a step forward at least
the other guy is going to be seriously damaged because
it's gonna have been exposure time, big time. So we'll see.
I mean, it's it's it's Baltimore against New York and
two guys that were hyped up prospects that hadn't quite
lived up to that hype. But again, they're young. One
guy's twenty two to one guy's twenty five. If there's
gonna be a chance for them to make a go
and keep on an upward trajectory, they gotta win this fight.
So I'm mildly more interested in this than I am
in a meaningless main event.
Speaker 3: All right, And that leads us to the interview with
Deontay Wilder in advance of his return. A couple of
losses for him in his last couple of fights. Does
the Bronze Bomber have anything left? Let's find out more
here with Dan.
Speaker 1: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome to our podcast
this week. It is none only, none other than the
former WBC Heavyweight Champ of the World, Deontay Wilder. Deontay,
thank you very much for doing this. And before we
get into it, I'll tell the people why we're chatting
because you, for the first time in a year, are
coming back to the ring. You're gonna be taken on
Tyrrell Herndon in a ten round fight will take place
June twenty seventh in Wichita, Kansas, live on PPV, dot Com,
integrated sports, pay per view, satellite and cable operators all
over the place, so people can check that out to
see the return of the Bronze Bomber. Deontay, how have
you been. It's been a while since we've talked.
Speaker 5: I've been good, Dan, Just be dealing with the issues
that lives in hand with me in my life, getting
everything situated, you know, and under control, and uh, and.
Speaker 4: It's been good. It's been good.
Speaker 5: You know, we'll come to the bad comes to good
and with come of the good comes to bad. So's uh,
I say, my life has been balanced out pretty well.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: And and I've just been taking care of a lot
of the business just let past last year, having some
type of understanding what's been going on with me?
Speaker 4: Why have I you.
Speaker 5: Know, following on the store end of the stick, and
you know, my last couple of outings and different things
just in all in general, you know, And and I
had to find a solution to the problem. You know,
at first I didn't understand what the hell was going
on with me, you know, and why things was happening.
And until I realized what was going on and why
things was happening, you know what I mean, if that
makes sense?
Speaker 4: And here I am now.
Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously, like you mentioned, you did lose
a couple of fights. Yeah, the rough knockout to Angela
in your last fight that was a year ago. I
think a lot of people thought maybe that would be
your last fight. Obviously that's not the case. You're coming back.
Prior to that, you had that decision with Joe Parker.
But again you I carently still want to carry on.
Did you ever think about retirement or was it never
in your mind.
Speaker 4: Now, the retirement was never ever, ever in my mind.
Speaker 5: So you know a lot of people like to be
like to be first and being correct reading rooms about things.
But I always tell people, if you inherited from my mouth,
then if most likely it's not true. You know, I'm
not a person that just give up to easy just
because things of my way.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a reason for all things.
Speaker 5: And as long as I continue, as long as I
can stay healthy and continue to have a mind to
think and continue to focus, and my body can generate
the things that they need to at the.
Speaker 4: Time they need, I'm here.
Speaker 5: You know, I still have got goals to set out
for this business, and I'm looking forward to seeing myself
a company that definitely before I retire, because when I
do retire, you know the work, everyone would know that
it will be silent, it will be permanent, and it's
no coming back.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the one.
Speaker 5: That retired, then come out of retirement, then go back,
and then come back out.
Speaker 4: Of retirement, because we actually can do that to you.
Speaker 5: You know, because once you're a warrior, you never the
warriors spirit definite lead. You always feel like you can fight,
that you got one more fight than you and you
can go on and do you know, do this or
do that, or become a champion or gion or whatever.
And you know that's the mentality of fighters should have
it there, you know what I mean that I.
Speaker 4: Can still do it.
Speaker 5: But there's also things that that's logic, things that make sense,
you know what I mean that what's real and what's
not and for me be being able to run, return
and do what I need to do at a uh
at at at the uh at the high level, I
could you do that?
Speaker 4: You know that saying is down.
Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say. My understanding is that
after after what happened in the last fight, that you
had like a right shoulder surgery. Is that correct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 1: I mean you're I mean when you talk about the
right shoulder surgery, we know anybody that knows about Deontay
Wilder knows the right hand is the money maker. That's
where you've scored all your big, massive knockouts. That's what
you're best known for. So can you tell me a
little bit about what was that about and how things are?
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, even before even for that fight, I
had seld the injury going on. You know, man, I've
been dealing with it was the injury for the last
four years.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: You know certain things you just got to keep it
to yourself and you just got to go on with it.
And they don't need to complain about. You know, certain things.
You just got to live your life with it. You know,
many people, you may wait, many people you may you may,
you may. You may tell things about or you may
tell the world about it, and they look at it
as an excuse or whatever. But you know, certain things,
you know just not meant to be said. You know,
I tell people all the time. I say truthful the
things that I say. You know, people use my truth
for the for their excuse. It ain't my excuse, is
my proof that I'm telling you and any type of
way you want.
Speaker 1: So is it if the shoulders good now though there's
no issues or anything.
Speaker 5: So it's great the shoulders you don't have the shoulder
is great, you know what I mean? This is the
you know, the first time in a long time that
that I felt this way, you know. Uh, But get
all to be presented itself, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I can say a lot of the things, uh, and
like I've said in the past, you know what I mean,
to try to convince myself to to keep going and
convince myself.
Speaker 4: That it's gonna be okay over I have time.
Speaker 5: In training to get myself at a mental state that
I need to be. But at this point in time,
it's nothing that convincing. It's no convincing. It's definitely you know,
speaking from my heart and worth are you know, I'm
definitely injury free at this moment in time. And I
think I think, you know, Dan, it's gonna present itself.
You know, it ain't something that I gotta say. Week
is gonna present itself. You We're gonna see if if
if it's really if it's not, you know what I mean.
And uh, And that's the great thing about it.
Speaker 1: So I know you didn't come back to fight just
to come back to fight Tyrrell Herdon. And I'm not
trying to insult Tyrrel Hernon, but he's obviously not a
world class level guy. And it's understandable, coming off the
shoulder surgery, coming off a year left, coming off a
couple of losses, that it would make sense for somebody
of your accomplishments who has still goals to come back
and sort of see where you are. So I guess
I want to insult your opponent.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume that you're gonna win the fight.
I know you think you're gonna win the fight.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier you have still goals to take care
of in the boxing world. Can you tell me what
those goals are?
Speaker 5: I mean the univide A, the visits, you know what
I can all the things that I've I had coming in,
I still want to accomplish that. Know that that don't
I don't aboard the mission just because of certain things,
uh didn't go my way?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I've gotten the sort in
the stick.
Speaker 5: If anything enhances me allows me to go back and
reevaluate certain things and whatever the weakness is, then I
make stronger and get it right. But at the end
of the day, you got to have mental uir ability,
and if you don't have it, then all things crashes,
you know. And I've seen over the years that this
country that mental mental health has been one of a
major priorities, probably one of on the top list. You know,
when it used to be a time where you know,
you talk about it, people look at you crazy, But
you know, it's a real factor. It's a real thing.
PTSD is a real thing.
Speaker 4: You know. And I just had to overcome a lot
of different things, you know. And and here I am.
Speaker 1: So you've been able to deal with the losses and
like put them in their compartment and and get over
the him, so to speak.
Speaker 5: Because I understand why it occurred. Okay, So I understand
why the curred. And no matter what coach I had
at that time, no matter who I fought, I truly
felt that I see where I failed because of what
I had going on.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: It feels to be mostly within myself, you know what
I'm saying, outside.
Speaker 4: Of the rings.
Speaker 5: Little of it done in the inside, but madard of it,
Uh is displayed on the outside of the ring with
my battle.
Speaker 1: So tell me what you know or if you were
even concerned about Herndon. I mean, he's fought some names,
but I mean I look at the record. I see
he's been stopped a few times. Uh, he's one a
few fights a row against sort of lesser opponents. Richard Torres,
who's the Olympic silver medal winner, who was a prospect,
did stop him. Uh, not that long ago and Richard
me go on and become a heavyweight champion. But he's
certainly not at the level of a Deontay Wilder yet.
So when you when I asked you about Herndon, what
your thoughts about who you're going to be in front
of come U Friday night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know too much about Bottom, you know.
Speaker 5: I think we took a picture away back maybe ten
years ago or something like that. I met him in person,
you know, I haven't kept up with his career. I
know he's like twenty five, I mean twenty five and
five something like that, and twenty four and five and
uh and.
Speaker 4: Fallt some decent fighters and stuff. And this is definitely.
Speaker 5: A fight that is coming up to tune up, you
know what I mean, to see where I am. This
is a placement fight for myself, you know what I mean.
Of course, for him, it's a different fight because he's
you know or who I am, and he can make
a name off of me and stuff like that. So
it's the meaning. It's totally different for him, But for
me is me returning and getting back what I know
that it's rightfully mind to what I know, what I
can do, you know, and that's my thing.
Speaker 4: This is tuning up for me.
Speaker 5: And I think for these next for these next few
I was, uh, for the next SEVERER fight would be
that the tune and uh as we go, we put
grant that we get our back together and get.
Speaker 4: Back to the top of things.
Speaker 5: You know, in the heavyweight division, we all know that
we want to fight away from a tablishtill fight. You
know what I mean in a given moment and any
given time, you know. But I want to reassure myself
that I'm I'm I'm I'm mentally physically and mostly back.
Like like I claim that I am not a comeback
is a return, and I too feel that way. Dan.
Speaker 1: One thing Deontay that it seemed to me over the
last few fights, uh that you became still dangerous with
the right hand, obviously, but you became very predictable because
everybody would watch it Deontay Wilder fight and just say
he's looking to load up and land one big right hand,
and you were using less and less of the other
skills that you have, your jab in particular, And I
wonder if that's been part of the conversation with the team,
is we need to use this fight yeah, of course
you want the big knockout. If it comes, I'm sure
it will be with the right hand, especially if you
say your shoulder and your right is all good now.
But then you're not looking toybe set things up and
use the things that you would abandon do. You could
have looked at your pass fights and be like I did,
get away from that. I think as the Luis Hertez rematch,
where everybody knew in the world that was looking at
it looking for the right hand, and you got them.
But it took a little while to get there. You
were way behind getting to that point.
Speaker 5: Well you know, you know with the things that I
going on, and like I said, you have to be
mentally ready and prepared for.
Speaker 4: A lot of things, and I wasn't mentally.
Speaker 5: I was physically and mostly prepared for well I half
physically because I still had to tow the injury and stuff.
So I was limited to what I can do, you
know with that, so I understand, I understood the position
that I was in. I understood the tools that I had.
Speaker 1: Or are you gonna show me a jab? Is what
I want to know.
Speaker 5: You got to be that you're going you gotta be
that to twenty seven, I'll be watching it and to
find out I'm watching it, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: I think I'm Like.
Speaker 5: I said, I think I'm You know, I could say
whatever I want, you know what I mean. Just talk
to the other coaches or talk to my foreign partners
and get their their opinion about it, and I could
say anything. You know, I I no one will have returned.
You know, I'm injury free.
Speaker 4: I could. I could honestly say that, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 5: And it's a great feeling to feel that way. You know,
if you know, if anybody nobody shows, they know, that's
the long that's the that's the longest recovery on the
body that can take place, at least one of them.
Speaker 1: So you know a little bit, I'll say the division
is sort of there's a there's a pathway right now.
There's fights that are taking place. You got dubir and
who's sick in the rematch that's gonna be for the
undisputed title. A lot of guys are tied up with things.
Uh Tyson fury year old Folk says he's retired. We'll
see if we actually believe that.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people do the big
fight still for you, even if it's not what it
was five years ago. Would have been you and Joshua.
Of course, Anthony Joshua. You were both undefeated, you both
had titles. Would have been for the undisputed championship, was
a huge fight at the time. Is that the fight
that you have? I mean, if you can't get the
title fight, which I know you want, is that still
sort of like the goalfight to to finally you and
Joshua to lock up in a fight that, even today's
still a lot of people would like to see. I'm sure, yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, that's the number one fighter a lot of people
would steel like to see. It's surprising to me. I
just got this question yesterday about it, and they were
reaching out to a lot of I don't know how
they did it, a pole or whatever whatever they did,
and people still interested in it. And you know, I'm
in I'm in the business. So if that fight come
about and it's real, then of course you know what
I mean. But I won't believe until me and him
is in the ring.
Speaker 4: Act.
Speaker 1: You did have a signed contract when you were on
the doubleheader together. He got to win. Unfortunately for the
sake of that fight. You obviously didn't get the victory
in that kind of went by the wayside, so you.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's it's still a lot of stuff
that goes in the details of that how that even occur.
Speaker 1: But and he took he took a hard loss. Since
then he got knocked out badly by Duba, So yeah,
you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's been a lot of mistracks and stuff
like that, you know what I mean. I mean, I
believe in divine timing. I believe if it's gonna happen,
it will happen and is appropriate time and only then.
You know, I still have my I still have my
feelings towards why it didn't happen way way back years ago,
you know, when I was willing, ready or able to
do so, but unfortunately Death Side wasn't as honest to
people as they should be or whatever. Just let it know,
you know, That's why. You know, I have a problem
sometime with certain things come back. Why you say this?
Speaker 4: Why Because I'm I'm the realist in boxer. I'm gonna
speak my piece.
Speaker 5: I haven't lied about anything I've said, no matter what
people may dissect or whatever. They won't say I make
an excuse about I risked my life, so I don't
want to lie about anything when it comes to box.
Speaker 1: Is there any regrets though that it didn't happen five
six years ago when it was the biggest fight in
the heavyweight division, one of the biggest fights in the
whole sport.
Speaker 5: It's not a regret on my end because I know,
I know my team. We try everything possible to make
that fight happen, and we can live with that. And
that's the that's the God on is true, you know
what I mean. If God came down right now, he
would let everybody know what it real is.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I don't know about the end because you know it's
a different story, you know. But for me, like I said, Dan,
I ain't never lied about anything in boxing or whatever.
Whether people believe what I said or not, you know,
I kept it real and that's why I can sleep
at night.
Speaker 4: You know. Of course, we would have made some great
money and it would have.
Speaker 5: Been a great fight. It would have been in the
history of things. But it was out of my con throw.
I did everything, even even accepted to say lower money.
Speaker 1: But he's not for a fight now. He wants to
fight this fall. Deontay Wilder wins in June. Seems the
timing would be set up very well to do that
match up maybe at the end of this year.
Speaker 4: Is that? Uh?
Speaker 1: Is that would be?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 1: Is that like you're the main thing you would want
even before a title fight, or would you potentially even
though that the titles will be tied off, you probably
wouldn't get it tidy wise.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just something that my managers didn't when
once the discussing happened, and is real they had to
come to discuss with me. But at the meantime, I'm
gonna continue in my core of what I'm doing and
what we're trained to do, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I you know, it's like the same.
Speaker 5: Fool me one staying on you fool me, fool me
twice in the same team. And I don't want to
get my hopes up and I don't want to mislead
anyone until oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah man, you know, yeah, I make money makes sure
I'm ready now. It's more than that. More than that,
you know.
Speaker 5: I understand that I can want to fight so badly,
but it doesn't matter how bad I want it.
Speaker 4: He gotta want it as well.
Speaker 5: And the people that surround him must want it as
well as well as my people must want it. And
it can't be one person have one side of the
store and the other ones that don't want to have
another side.
Speaker 4: Uh. And it's it's confusing to people if people.
Speaker 5: Want to know who this is what, because at the
end of the day, it don't matter about records. It
don't matter. It don't matter, It don't matter even a
boy who to fight. People just want to see a
great fight, would you. I'll go fight them anywhere, even
if it's in hell. But I'm gonna get out of there.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you one more thing about what
you got coming up on, Freddick. Are we gonna see
another big Deontay Wilder knockout? Because that's the calling card, obviously,
that's what everybody knows you for.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, And I smile when I say that.
Speaker 1: Man, it's been a while.
Speaker 4: It's been a while. It's been a while. I've had
a lot of things going on. And I got to
tell people.
Speaker 5: That, especially my fans, that I forgive me for for
for for my lack luster of performing my last few fights.
It just I had a lot of stuff going on.
I didn't know how to handle it. I didn't know
what to do. I didn't you know, Until I figure
out what to do and how to handle it, you know,
it should be a different became now it will be
a different outcome, and should it will be a different
outcome this time around, and and and and and and
the fights to come. You know, we all go through things.
You know, we're not robots and fighters were really we
still go through things in life, trials and fibulations up
and down, you know, people taking advantage of us all
the time, you know, and we just try to we do.
Speaker 4: Things and figure things out as it is. And unfortunately, you.
Speaker 5: Know, my time has came alone with things has disrupted
my life, you know, from going on, a lot of
betrayal has happened, and I just in injury. You know
a lot of things have occurred like a domino effect
from years and years out and I'm just I'm just human.
I have to take it one day at a time,
one step at a time to get it right. And
uh that's why I'm here now. I'm not giving up.
I can't give up. So many people still look up
to me, you know, to this day, and I like
lead by example, So here we are Dune the twenty
seven with Soo Kansas.
Speaker 4: I can't wait.
Speaker 5: You know this is gonna be a revealed not only
for myself but for a lot of other people. I know,
I'm ready, I know I'm right, I know I'm back.
It's just time to put the action in because I
can say.
Speaker 4: All I want.
Speaker 5: We just had many of things before and the outcome
has been different than what the dog has been. But
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty confident and what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You know, as we've been talking about, you know, some
of the stuff that's gone on recent fights, obviously talking
about the big knockouts that you've got. I would have
never asked you this before, and I was ringside for
almost all of them. Do you have a favorite knockout?
Because you've had so many spectacular ones.
Speaker 4: I don't have. I don't have one, you know, and.
Speaker 1: People to Arthur Spilka, I must be honest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Arthur was good.
Speaker 5: But if I had to pick, I tell people if
I had to pick, and when and when I when
asked that question, the first thing to come to my
head is, uh, Dominic.
Speaker 1: Brazil another great one out?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And rematches another one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know all of them means a lot
to me because of the you know it was. You know, uh,
I respect all fighters to step.
Speaker 4: In the ring.
Speaker 5: You know, I always tell we all risk in our
lives for others entertainment, and I highly respect every fighter,
no matter what that skill level is. You know, we
all other one percent and you gotta give your hair,
take your hass off to these fighters. So you know,
with that being said, every time I go in, there
is a glorifying moment in time for every knockout. That's
why I don't really particularly have a have a favorite.
But if I go with my heart, and when people
ask me that.
Speaker 4: The first the first picture that comes.
Speaker 5: To my head or image that comes to my head
is that now it may change ten years later they
say I was I was just safe, buzz and a
lot of things about us changed. Every time night will
be your favorite, right they just we have to see,
all right, Deontay, I appreciate that very much. It's been
my privilege to be ringside for many of your biggest knockouts.
I wish you the best of luck against Tyrol Herndon.
I look forward to watching it. Thank you, very much
for doing this, and good luck to you, yes, sir,
thank you so much to all my fans. I love
you guys so much. Let's tune in if you can
beat that, some up doing the twenty seven at toss
coc Arena. If you can't beat that paperview dot com. Baby,
I see you guys there, and I see whether I
see you there or where you tune in. Thank you
for your love and support and may God blessed and
happy doom things.
Speaker 3: All right, So the Bronze Bomber always talks a good game,
seems in good spirits. Again, our friends at PPV dot
com who sponsor us here on the pod, they will
be a showing that. Just to wrap it up, having
talked to him, what your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Are Listen, Deontay, Like you mentioned, he's got a couple
losses in a row. He's in the twilight of his career.
He's not that far away from being forty years old
trying to make another go of it. Obviously, you know
there's hopes and dreams I guess of still somehow salvaging
a prospect of an Anthony Joshua fight that to me
is passed. It sell by date, but there's some that
still might want to see it. Deontay Obviously, if that
fight does happen, there'll be a big paycheck for everybody involved,
and it is what it is, so you know, I
wish Deontay the best of luck. Obviously. I've been covering
Deontay's entire crib, been knowing him since I was at
his professional debut, and hopefully he can whatever it becomes
of the rest of his career that he can. I
hope for every fighter, I hope this he can walk
away in his own terms. That's unlikely, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: And that leads us now to some news.
Speaker 3: We're going over some ground that we've been covering, but
it is now official that the Canelo Quawford Bout will
be at Allegiance Stadium, the home of the Las Vegas Raiders.
The football stadium TKO is promoting it and it is
going to be September thirteenth, on Saturday, which means that
UNLV football is on the move all So tell me
more on the particulars here, as they've now made all
of it official for later on this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this does not come as a surprise. I said
to you when they first made it official that in fact,
it would definitely be on the thirteenth, and they stated
specifically would definitely be in Las Vegas. Remember, there was
some questions about where it would wind up because Turkey
seemed to be changing his mind and leaving the doors
open for other possibilities. Once they said it's going to
be the thirteenth and it's going to be in Vegas,
and of course they also had the component where they
announced it would be streamed on Netflix, not as a
pay per view. I said to you, I think right
on this show in our last episode, they didn't announce
Las Vegas, not knowing that it was going to be
where it was going to be. They just didn't have
maybe everything you know, in terms of the ies dotted
and the t's crossed. But I had reported all along
that everybody I knew that was about with this fight,
saying they were getting that worked out to be at
Allegiance Stadium, which is where it was announced back in
early May in the ring after Canello's victory against William Skull.
You know, Turkey Alshik stood there with Crawford and n
L face to face and said it would be you know,
in the big stadium in Las Vegas. He was talking
about Allegian Stadium, which has never hosted a combat sports event.
This will be the first for that holds about sixty
five thousand for the fight, maybe a little bit more
because they could put seating on the field, where obviously,
if you're in a football game, you need the field
to play, and so you know, that's an added dimension
to it, and they're gonna look to have a big matchup.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: You mentioned also by the way, that the TKO folks
will be promoting the fight. TKO is the name of
the parent company that owns UFC and WWE, and also
whatever their boxing promotion company that's being created will be called.
It was also announced that they will call and this
is not a surprise. Dana Whites had this name registered forever.
He's talked about it for years. I thought maybe they
would have some kind of different name for it. But
they're going to call it Zoofho Boxing, which doesn't come
as a surprise at all. So we can stop calling
it TKO Boxing and we'll call it ZOOFH Boxing. That
will be I guess the official promoter of the event,
and it'll be at the Big Stadium. Then we'll have
a big crowd, a big party.
Speaker 2: Yep, and again they've never had something like that.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 3: Here we go with that. Four September. All right, more
news speaking of a former Canelo opponent, Haimi Mungia. Not
surprising here the B sample has returned after his positive
test for PEDS for testosterone and the B sample is
also positive as well. All right, that's not unexpected. So
what are the next steps here after Mongia got a
win to get his career back on track in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this relates to the rematch that it was
on that Canelo skull undercart where he got the revenge
in the rematch against against bruos Errasse. It had knocked
him out very severely back in December. Was the knockout
of the ear for everybody. And so they had the
rematch and he won the fight. And then of course
afterwards he tested positive for having an exogenious origin of
testosterone in his system and a VADA test that is
meaning testosterone that was not produced by your body, it
was introduced from outside your body, which is banned. And
so therefore where he was flagged for an adverse finding.
And you know, as every athlete that undergoes these types
of tests, you have the right to ask for your
B sample to be tested, to be present, to pay
for it on your own, and if it comes back differently,
you know, then that's obviously an issue. TJ. As I've
said this a thousand times every time there's a drug
test situation, I could like the fucking broken record. The
chances of the A and the B being different are extremely, extremely,
extremely rare. I mean, it just doesn't happen. I've written
countless stories and I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes been issues about you know, you know, the
chain of custody in these types of things.
Speaker 2: Right, But technicality, technicality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's done legit, there's no reason why the
A and the B would ever be different. And so
when this B sample came back positive for the exact
same thing, it was like the least surprising thing in
the world's It's as surprising as the sun rising and
setting in the evening. I mean, it just it is expected.
So okay. Now, the thing that when Timy Monkey and
his teammates their statements that they posted on their social channels,
they did say that Haimi was present personally for the
opening of the sample, which took place at the WADA
accredited laboratory in Utah, which is where most of these
things take place, and so now it comes back positive.
They still maintained that he didn't do it meaningful, you know, knowingly,
or anything like that that they suspect contamination. I'll call
bullshit on that, because you can love him or hate him.
But Victor Kante, who I've known for many years, who
was a noted drug testing expert, who has done his
time for all the terrible things he did in terms
of drug use and abuse from athletes, but he knows
his shit, whatever you think about him. And he said
to me, and I wrote this in the original story,
like that, in all the years he's been involved in
this situation, in drug testing, in steroids and illicit drugs
and banned substances and all of his knowledge, he was joking.
He's like, there's no such thing as testosterone contamination. I
have never heard of that in my life. So if
Victor has never heard of testosterone contamination, I'll take that
as something that's meaningful. So they'll fight this. I guess
how were the best again, But at the end of
the day, the British Boxing Board of Control, which was
the regulator in charge of this event in Saudi Arabia.
They've overseen many of those bouts because a lot of
them are filled with British fighters and they hire them
outside UH to do the to regulate the events. They
appoint the referees and the judges and you know, do
all the things that are associated with regulation. Anyway, they'll
they'll presumably at some point in the near future, schedule
a hearing UH and they'll have to go before the
British Boxing Board of Control. Most likely this will be
just like we saw with plenty of other cases. I'll
use Ryan Garcia's as a more recent example. They'll change
the result of his win to an no contest and
I'll get a year suspension, maybe longer, but he's going
to be sat down for a while. And uh, you
know that's the bottom line. It's this, This is just
like every other case. Seems pretty straightforward.
Speaker 3: To me, and it's and it's sidetracked his career again,
just like the knockout to Sirase in the first place
at the end of last year on Haimi Mung. All right,
we did make reference one more news item Boots, Ennis, Rayphiel.
Can we not have good things? This was set up
to be what would be a compelling now after the
Norman knockout, certainly compelling unification fight with Jiron Ennis with
two of the welterweight titles, Norman with a third title,
the WBO belt. But Jiron Ennis since last week talked
on the podcast announces he's going to move up to
junior middleweight before Norman ever fights on Thursday. Can we
not have good things and not have this fight?
Speaker 2: What is going on?
Speaker 1: First of all, it was even a few days before
that Boots took to a social media on what they
say today is we're taping this on Thursday. So on
Wednesday he announced on his social media that he was
moving up. And wait a few days before that, when
Eddie Hearn, his promoter from mattrom Boxing, was doing some
interviews that were related to his last fight last week,
he was asked about that and was saying that Boots
was moving.
Speaker 2: Off to New York at the Hitchens fight exactly.
Speaker 1: So he made the official announcement on social media. And Uh,
it's disappointing. I mean he obviously he's had trouble making
No I mean I don't know if he's in trouble
make the way. He made it the way pretty from
all accounts, he made it very well and no problems
in terms of getting prepared for what is uh his
unification fight a few months ago against Amanta stanionis where
he looked really good in that fight, strong and scored
the knockout and you know, put on a heck of
a show and unified the titles, won the you know,
the the ring title, et cetera. There had been some
I didn't speak to match about this, but from what
the the the the uh. Brian Norman Camp says in
Top Rank that they were approached with this Norman Susaki
fight coming up about trying to make a deal and
they were politely told, listen, I'm gonna let our guy
get to do the fight on Thursday, and let's talk
about it right after the fight. Well, he waited until
exactly one day before the fight the announce he's moving up.
So it is what it is. I don't I don't
think he's ducking him and just get tired of the
of the of the of the nonsense. I mean, if
you want to you're.
Speaker 3: Talk, I'm gonna say it again, you're talking I'm a
guy that was theending Jeron Ennis, and I'm now because
of this saying, you're talking out of all sides of
your mouth. You can't have all sides of the argument
where you're saying you're not moving up to fight Virgil
Ortiz because you want to unify the belts at Walter
Wade and you want to be created.
Speaker 1: He did do that.
Speaker 2: He fought one more fight, but it was important.
Speaker 1: It was a unification. Okay, hold on, hold on, he
couldn't get Barrios because he's fighting Paca. The Norman fight
you probably could have gotten, but for his reasons, he
decided to move up. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying,
but don't say he didn't unify.
Speaker 2: He deunified one of the belts.
Speaker 3: I took him. I heard him, I heard him say,
I heard him say that he wanted to be undisputed.
Speaker 1: He wanted to try to anybody says they want to
be understoned.
Speaker 3: Okay, but again, you can't have all sides of the argument.
You can't then win one more fight and say now
I'm going to go to one fifty four.
Speaker 2: You can't have all sides.
Speaker 1: He turned down the Virgil fight. Yes, I hope they
fight each other at fifty four. That'd be a terrific matchup.
You know, he he he could have had a bowload
of money to go through with the fight against t
FM Malpez that Turkey al Chic had proposed and put
up a ton of money for. He decided not to
do that either, which you know, people are defending Boots saying, well,
he wants to be ondisputed, he wants to unify. That's
not a unification. Let me tell you, fighting against t
f Olpez, who's the Bona FID Junior welterweight champion, is
a big deal. If he's fighting the welterweight champion, and
you're making a lot more money than you could have
made for a unification fight, because a Teya Femo fight
that's being bankrolled by Turkey is going to be worth
the hell a lot more than you fighting Mario Barrios
or even Brian Norman. So you know, take that for
what it's worth. But he did turn that down, and
now he didn't wait around even see if they could
make the Norman fight, which they had talked about back
at the end of the you know last year, what
he ended up taking. You know, he didn't want to
do the Chikaze rematch understandably, and they were a few
hundred thousand apart on making Norman fight. It is what
it is, so I wish him good luck up there.
I hope he does fight Virgil Ortiz, but it's disappointing
because the wreck will always be what the record is.
You can talk about whatever you want about his talent,
his ability is potential, however you want to describe it.
At the end of the day, his rep his legacy
and I put that loosely in quote marks, because I
don't think he really has one. As a welterweight. Is
he unified two belts against a Montestanionis who was a
good fighter, but a regular kind of guy, not going
to ever be in the Hall of Fame, a guy
that most people will never remember years from now. It
was a nice win. He did a good job in
that fight. But if your legacy is I became a
two bell champion because I defeated in montesestanionis congratulations, But
you're not going to be on my Hall of Fame ballot.
Speaker 2: You're a voter, all right?
Speaker 3: Good on that one piece of Nostalgia twenty fifth anniversary
of Sugar Saye Mosley in an exciting win over Oscar
de la Hoya. A couple of legends speaking of guys
that would fight each other round robin all the time,
included Floyd Mayweather, included Manny Pacquiao and others that were
willing to fight each other. That fight was June seventeen,
two twenty five years ago, and we encourage everybody to
go to our Big Fight Weekend YouTube page to watch
you and I talk more about that night. You were
ringside around the celebs. It was a great night that
night in La Do I not remember? That's the first
time you've ever been to California was June of two thousand.
Speaker 1: My first ever trip to I've now been to California
in Los Angeles for boxing matches numerous times as well
as I have a family that lives in San Diego
since then that I've been to. My in laws lived there.
We visited them on a number of occasions. But yeah,
that was exciting to go there for the first time
and have it be for what was an unbelievably fantastic fight.
Speaker 3: All right, so we push you to the Big Fight
Weekend YouTube page and watch us discussing that moving pictures.
You'll see what we look like on Shane Moseley's dramatic
don't don't threaten them TJ with that, but Sugar Shane's
dramatic win over Oscar de la Hoya. We're talking it
up from June seventeenth, two thousand.
Speaker 2: There With that, we.
Speaker 3: Have previewed the weekend great stuff. As always, we'll come
off the week with a recap podcast and then it
is not only Deontay Wilder fight week, it is Jake
Paul Julio Sesar Chavez fight week.
Speaker 2: Next week.
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