1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. 2 00:00:07,519 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, 3 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:13,640 DJ leaves. 4 00:00:14,119 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 3: Well, we get ready for a weekend that has a 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,800 flyweight main event in England, it has a middleweight main 6 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:23,640 event in Newark, New Jersey in the United States. We've 7 00:00:23,679 --> 00:00:26,600 already got a world title fight to recap from Thursday, 8 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,239 and we've got a special guest with us as well, 9 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:35,880 the former WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder coming up. It 10 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,320 is all part of the Big Fight Weekend preview. I 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,359 am merely the somewhat capable host. TJ Reeves, Hello, Big Dan, Rayphiel. 12 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Ready for another weekend here in the month of June. 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,240 And now look up front, these are not blockbuster fights. 14 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:55,359 We do have a couple of fights to preview to continents, 15 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:57,280 but we have a lot to. 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,719 Speaker 2: Go here on the show. 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Okay, 38 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,519 So as we do this heading into the weekend, we 39 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,879 now have the result from Japan. What was Thursday night 40 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:03,760 Japan Thursday morning US time. Brian Norman did go all 41 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:05,560 the way out to the Far East and score a 42 00:02:05,719 --> 00:02:09,240 devastating one punch KO in the end in the fifth 43 00:02:09,319 --> 00:02:12,400 round over Jens Sasaki. Scary Dan, I'm gonna use that 44 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:16,840 word again, scary left handed bomb Ko where Sasaki slammed 45 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,800 his head on the canvas after the knockdown, didn't move 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,879 for upwards of a minute. Wasn't moving, was taken on 47 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,919 a board out of the ring to be checked out. 48 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,599 Big win for Brian Norman, but there was immediate concern 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,960 for how serious the knockout was. 50 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,599 Speaker 2: Give us your thoughts, your insight. 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: My thought when that bomb landed was thought, I'm watching 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,599 Many pack Yo knockout Ricky Hatton, because that's sort of 53 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,039 the essence of what that was like, just out of 54 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,599 the you know, just a monstrous shot right on the chin, 55 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:49,039 put him down and out, and you know as soon 56 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,960 as he's not even before he hits the canvas, you know, 57 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,560 you know, in the immortal words of Roy Jones, you 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,280 know he ain't getting up when Many pak Yo got 59 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,199 knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez. So that was my thought, 60 00:02:59,199 --> 00:03:01,479 and up to that point, even before he had scored 61 00:03:01,479 --> 00:03:04,120 the knockout, Brian Norman had looked absolutely sensational. It was 62 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:06,479 a very exciting action pack fight, but it was pretty 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,719 much one way traffic. I mean, Brian Norman was, you know, 64 00:03:08,759 --> 00:03:11,080 beating him up pretty rough. He knocked him down two 65 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,680 times in round one. I didn't think they were devastating 66 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:17,759 kind of knockdown TJ because they were sort of equilibrium shots. 67 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,719 I felt like because Sasaki kind of leaned in and 68 00:03:20,719 --> 00:03:22,199 he caught him sort of on the top of the head, 69 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,560 side of the head, and you know, he went down. 70 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:26,039 He showed a lot of hard to get up. But 71 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,680 right there, you're behind the eight ball because you got 72 00:03:27,719 --> 00:03:30,199 a ten to seven round. And then he just kept 73 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:32,960 putting it on him. Now, Sasaki was a warrior, he 74 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:35,719 was game. He kept motioning him in and Brian, you know, 75 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,680 said okay, fine, and he went and whooped him up 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,080 side the head a little bit more. He did get 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,319 in some shots. Brian took them well, but he was 78 00:03:42,439 --> 00:03:45,039 very poised, he was very composed, He was short with 79 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,960 his punches, he had better speed, he had better defense, 80 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,400 he had better everything. I think it was round number three, 81 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,719 if my recollection is correct. It was such a one 82 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,879 sided round, even without a knockdown. I'm like, that's a 83 00:03:56,919 --> 00:03:58,240 ten eight round, and I don't score a lot of 84 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,000 those types of rounds, but that clearly could have been 85 00:04:00,039 --> 00:04:03,120 and without the knockdown, and just kept shipping away and 86 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,680 the guy had just taken so much punishment that it 87 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,919 was to me, you know, it was after round two 88 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:11,280 or three. I'm like, this is just a matter of time. 89 00:04:11,319 --> 00:04:14,639 It's not when he gets a knockout. I'm sorry, it's 90 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:16,680 when he gets a knockout, not if he gets a knockout. 91 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,399 And he did that. He looked really good. It's his 92 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:22,720 second defense. He's coming into his own. He's still now 93 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,759 the youngest the champion among men's boxers in the sport. 94 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,600 Had Sasaki won at age twenty three, he would have 95 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:33,319 taken over that mantle. But Brian Norman is not coming 96 00:04:33,319 --> 00:04:35,360 home with anything less than his world title belt around 97 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:38,199 his waist. And you know, it was a great experience, 98 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,360 I believe for him to go there on enemy territory, 99 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,959 to have that notion now that you know that you 100 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,120 can travel, that you can go into the Nions, then 101 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:50,040 do the business. He made himself a little bit of 102 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,560 a bigger name now. I mean, the reality is this. 103 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:55,959 Dj I had said a long time ago when he 104 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,680 was coming up that he had a lot of hight 105 00:04:58,759 --> 00:05:00,800 behind him, and I was of like, didn't get it. 106 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,040 I didn't see you, like why he was always disappointing. 107 00:05:03,439 --> 00:05:06,519 Brian and I talked about that exact thing. I interviewed 108 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,240 him prior to the Derek Quavis fight, and he acknowledges like, 109 00:05:10,439 --> 00:05:12,399 you know, I could have been better. You know, what 110 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:14,839 do you think now? So I said a lot better 111 00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:18,279 because from the moment he got into the bigger spotlight. 112 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,120 When he won the what was at the time the 113 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,240 interim belt. He went to the hometown of Giovanni Santion 114 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:25,920 in San Diego. He whooped up on him and stopped 115 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,319 him a round ten. It was later elevated when Terrence 116 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,959 Crawford vacated. Then he had a little bit of a 117 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,199 layoff because of the hand injury. Then he came back 118 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,560 and he looked sensational again against Quavis. Not a top 119 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:38,680 notch guy, maybe not as good as sand Down, but 120 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,800 he looked really good. Only had the one loss beat 121 00:05:40,879 --> 00:05:43,000 him up, made him quit. And now he goes to 122 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:48,399 Japan to fight to fight a very reputable Japanese contender 123 00:05:48,439 --> 00:05:50,160 who had a lot of kind of heat behind him 124 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,040 by the by the diehards, very good punching power, and 125 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,600 absolutely shredded him. So he's got three highly impressive wins 126 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:00,959 in a row, each by knockout, and against two of 127 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:04,360 them anyway, against guys that were well regarded in Santian 128 00:06:04,439 --> 00:06:08,040 and Sasaki, so to me, he's nothing but on the 129 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:08,680 up score. 130 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 3: I love the composure that was mentioned on the top 131 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,120 rank ESPN Plus broadcast. 132 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 2: He didn't rush in. 133 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: He was getting caught some with the left hand, but 134 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:21,199 he didn't get over anxious and get caught with big punches. 135 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,439 He measured Sasaki a lot of the time for the 136 00:06:23,439 --> 00:06:26,800 shots he was delivering, he showed a lot relative to 137 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,040 what it was. He was favored to win, even though 138 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:32,279 it was all the way in Japan for him. He 139 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,399 was favored to win, but he delivered and that was 140 00:06:35,439 --> 00:06:38,600 a devastating shot. Now give us the update because you 141 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,560 put this on social media earlier on Thursday. Because for 142 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,360 the fans that were watching and saw this was I'm 143 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:45,399 going to use the word scary. 144 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:45,959 Speaker 2: It was scary. 145 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 3: I was watching live and it was scary because they 146 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,199 pulled TV term, they pulled the camera. 147 00:06:50,879 --> 00:06:51,959 Speaker 2: Back to a wide shot. 148 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 3: They were not showing the Japanese production team and the director. 149 00:06:55,879 --> 00:06:59,439 They were not showing the medical team closely working on him. 150 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,439 Then on the wide shot kind of saw them pick 151 00:07:02,519 --> 00:07:05,439 him up on the board and take him out. And 152 00:07:05,519 --> 00:07:07,360 so now we're left to try to figure out what's 153 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,199 going on. Who better to figure out what's going on 154 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,720 than you give us the update as you have it 155 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:14,160 here as the podcast rolls on. 156 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:16,439 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, like you said, it was a very 157 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:19,160 concerning situation, and it's sort of like I was having 158 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:20,759 flashbacks from just a couple of weeks ago when they 159 00:07:20,759 --> 00:07:22,519 took shigg Yolka out of the ring on a stretcher 160 00:07:22,879 --> 00:07:24,759 after his title fight and he got you know, he 161 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:27,360 didn't get knocked out from the standpoint of on the 162 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:30,759 floor for you know, what could have been one hundred count. 163 00:07:29,839 --> 00:07:32,639 They he kind of collapsed in the corner when the 164 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:35,279 fight was over. It was a decision, but still we 165 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:37,399 don't laver like seeing anybody taking out on the board. 166 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,480 I checked with Carl Moretti, who was the VP of 167 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:42,879 Top Rank, who was present at the fight along with 168 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,920 the Top Rank boss man Bob Aram and just I 169 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,240 said to Carl, I said, hey, you know, do you 170 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,160 have any congratulations on Brian's victory, but you know, do 171 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,639 you have anything in terms of an update for what's 172 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:55,000 going on with Sasaki? And he said, look, they took 173 00:07:55,079 --> 00:07:57,759 him to the hospital as a precaution to get checked out, 174 00:07:57,839 --> 00:08:00,720 and he was back in the hotel resting, so he 175 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:02,720 is released. It looked a lot. I guess it looked 176 00:08:02,759 --> 00:08:05,279 much worse than it turned out to be. Thankfully he's okay. 177 00:08:05,639 --> 00:08:08,160 But that was as harsh a knockout as you'll see. 178 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,720 Look at the end of the year, there'll be a 179 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:12,600 lot of big knockouts to sort through. But when I 180 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:14,639 think people go and make their lists of the knockouts 181 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,920 of the year, no question that that will be among 182 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:18,319 the ones that people talk about. 183 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,519 Speaker 3: There's an argument that's the knockout of the year to 184 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,519 this point. Let's see, I mean, his title fight devastating 185 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:26,639 as you're going to see with one big shot. All right, 186 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,720 so this part is not a surprise. We'll talk more 187 00:08:28,759 --> 00:08:31,959 about Jaron Innis moving up and why he's doing it. 188 00:08:32,399 --> 00:08:34,320 But big things are ahead. Just one more time for 189 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,759 Brian Norman. Even if it's not within us, you would 190 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,360 think off of this win and off of a couple 191 00:08:39,399 --> 00:08:40,120 of wins real quick. 192 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,039 Speaker 1: There's no question. I don't know who he's going to 193 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:43,840 fight next. It won't be in this obviously, even though 194 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,000 I think a lot of us would have liked to 195 00:08:45,039 --> 00:08:49,039 see that. But and also corresponding with Carl MURRETTI, while 196 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:51,840 he was in Japan. What the top rank plans are 197 00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:54,919 and you know there's no opponent of data location exactly. 198 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,919 They're going to have to make a deal with his management, 199 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,600 et cetera. But they're planning to bring him to Atlanta 200 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:01,679 to make it defense. I mean, you know you're gonna 201 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,399 says the old it's it's the Uh, it's the it's 202 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,600 This is not reinventing the wheel. This is this is 203 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,679 just common sense. He won the title, uh interm whatever 204 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:13,559 it was, in the other guy's hometown. He defended the 205 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,200 title on a Las Vegas show. He then had a 206 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,679 good opportunity from a financial perspective, to go and defend 207 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,399 in Japan. He he took that on no problem there. 208 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,600 And so now he's got a couple of defenses under 209 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,080 his belt and they're gonna bring him home. They're you know, 210 00:09:27,159 --> 00:09:30,120 they're gonna try to make into an attraction locally. I mean, 211 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,279 he comes from the uh you know, he's born in 212 00:09:32,279 --> 00:09:36,120 what Decatur, Georgia. You know, fights in the Atlanta area. Uh, 213 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:38,759 there's no reason why you can't have a good boxing 214 00:09:38,759 --> 00:09:41,320 event in Atlanta. There hasn't been that many Tank Davis's 215 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,759 head had it, but there really hasn't been, you know, 216 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:45,720 other than that, a lot of big time boxing in 217 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,799 that area since basically I'll go back to the days 218 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:51,320 of Evander Holyfield. But Brian Norman, you know, he's a 219 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,519 local fighter, he's got a good personality. I think he'll 220 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:56,240 be able to sell a fight well. He's got a 221 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,200 great style to watch the way you've watched the last 222 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,399 few fights he's had. So I think they can make 223 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,480 Hay there and try to build them into an attraction 224 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,039 in that area. And you know, just look around the 225 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:07,159 weight class to see who they can match him up with. 226 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,799 I can guarantee you one thing. TJ. Top Rank and 227 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,320 Brian Norman, Brian's father, Brian Singer and his management, Uh, 228 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,799 they're not worried about matching with anybody in the walterweight 229 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:17,399 division at all. 230 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,279 Speaker 3: Love that all right? There was another fight that you 231 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:21,600 were interested on this car. Do you want me to 232 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,679 try the name thangan on simsry? 233 00:10:25,919 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: Is that how you say it? 234 00:10:26,799 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 3: Beat Christian Aaron Nada And that was for the IBF 235 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,360 Junior flyweight title. 236 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:33,879 Speaker 2: You wanted to say something about that? That was on 237 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:35,159 the undercard ones, That's not. 238 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,799 Speaker 1: What I wanted to it, says this was the other 239 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:39,399 title fight on the show. Uh it was for it, 240 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,600 like you said, the vacant title. This was uh Yabuki 241 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:44,759 who had vacated the title to move up and wait 242 00:10:44,879 --> 00:10:48,039 where he then became, uh the one A flyweight world title. 243 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: Uh. 244 00:10:48,519 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: So they matched up Baronetta and the Thailand fighter, uh Simsrie, 245 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,440 and it was okay fight. It was sort of like 246 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:57,759 I kind of felt like it never really kind of 247 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,399 got out of like second gear, let's say, like it 248 00:11:00,399 --> 00:11:03,159 it had starts and stops to it. There was not 249 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,559 a lot of like free flowing action or there was 250 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,840 no domination. It turned out to be that Simpsey won 251 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:13,200 a split decision. Listen to some of what the commentary 252 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:15,600 was they were talking about, like they could certainly see 253 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:17,960 it either way. I guess. I think in the end, 254 00:11:18,519 --> 00:11:20,879 the judges that voted in favor of Simsony, they liked 255 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:22,919 the aggression a little bit more. He was more of 256 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,120 the guy that was sort of making the fight compared 257 00:11:25,159 --> 00:11:27,519 to Aaronetta. It's not the kind of fight that you'll 258 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,600 be talking about for years to come. In the end, 259 00:11:29,919 --> 00:11:32,639 he wins one sixteen to one eleven. That was clearly 260 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,879 the judge that favored the aggression one fifteen to one twelve, 261 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:38,519 and then the third judge had Aaronetta winning the fight 262 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:42,159 one fourteen to one thirteen. It is what it is. 263 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,120 You've got a guy with a new belton, you know, 264 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,639 if he can develop, we'll see. The Thailand boxing scene 265 00:11:48,639 --> 00:11:51,720 has always been rich with champions through the years. They 266 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,840 add another one to the list. Unfortunately, a lot of 267 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,440 those guys sometimes go in active or and if they 268 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,039 are active, even you don't get a chance to see 269 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,240 much of them on this side of the world, you know. 270 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:04,759 But at least in terms of that particular fight, Simstrey 271 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,879 was at least a more interesting guy to watch because 272 00:12:06,919 --> 00:12:09,039 Aaronetta kind of craped the bet if you ask me. 273 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 3: All right, good insight there in the recap mode. Now 274 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,960 let's get to what we do in the preview mode, 275 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,480 and that includes the upcoming Dezone Birmingham, England main events 276 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,840 Saturday afternoon US time Saturday night prime time for the 277 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:29,279 interim WBC flyweight title, speaking of flyweights, held by Gallia Phi. 278 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:33,440 He defends against Mexican Francisco Rodriguez. Ya Phi is a 279 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:39,120 decorated British amateur who's had what nine pro fights tell 280 00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:41,440 me a little more in the preview mode here about 281 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:43,720 this battle with a veteran that's had a lot more 282 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,039 fights in Francisco Rodriguez. 283 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,799 Speaker 1: It is kind of wild when you think about that. 284 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:50,759 So you mentioned Fi he is nine to zero. He's 285 00:12:50,799 --> 00:12:53,960 thirty two years old, which is unusual because as you mentioned, 286 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,480 he was a decorated amateur. He stayed amateur for much 287 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:59,399 longer than your average guy that would have a good 288 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,240 amateur in tern professional. For reason is he was a 289 00:13:02,279 --> 00:13:06,399 twenty sixteen Olympian. He returned and state amateur, fought again 290 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,000 in the twenty twenty Olympics. He won the gold medal 291 00:13:09,039 --> 00:13:11,080 for Britain. I mean comes from a boxing family. I 292 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:14,720 mean his brothers Khalidia Phi and and and you know 293 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:17,559 he's got his you know they've CALIU fined. They were 294 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,120 you know, he was a world champion. They have that 295 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,120 boxing background. So he stayed amateur. Those brothers were good 296 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:26,559 amateurs as well. And he comes into the pro. So 297 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,440 as I said, he's nine and always aged thirty two. 298 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,320 His opponent in Francisco Rodriguez Junior, also aged thirty two, 299 00:13:32,919 --> 00:13:36,480 thirty nine wins, six losses and one draw. So way 300 00:13:36,519 --> 00:13:39,159 you know, forty six what is it, forty six professional 301 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,960 fights compare. 302 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: Forty seven times the fights. 303 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, actually forty seven bouts because he also has a 304 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,159 no contest on his times the fights. Yes, you know, 305 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,840 that's that's quite the stark difference. But again, one guy 306 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,960 was amateur for a long time. Rodriguez, like a lot 307 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,879 of young Mexican fighters, turned pro a long time ago 308 00:13:58,919 --> 00:14:01,679 with very little amateur back. And this is so yafai. 309 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:03,720 He's been a pro for like, you know, two years. 310 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:07,600 Francisco Riga has been a professional for fifteen years, turn 311 00:14:07,639 --> 00:14:11,200 pro in late part of twenty ten and has fought 312 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,360 a ton of top guys. His biggest moment was a 313 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:18,000 decade ago when he became the unified champion at Strawey 314 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,879 and he's consistently moved up. He's got six losses. The 315 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:24,440 only time he ever got stopped was by Roman Gonzalez 316 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:26,879 choc Latito with a great Rowan Gonzales. That was in 317 00:14:26,919 --> 00:14:29,919 a strawweight fight, pre championship, in a ten rounder, not 318 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,960 even for a title, And that shows you the kind 319 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,759 of Chinese got because he's fought quality guys. He's fought 320 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 and these were decision losses to guys like Kazuto Ioka, 321 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:41,320 top Japanese fighter for many years, multi divisional world champion. 322 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:44,200 Same thing in terms of Jento Nakatani, who is a 323 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,039 devastating puncher these days if you watch his fights. So 324 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,559 he's got top notch resume even if those were losses. 325 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:53,360 But he's also beaten some guys, and like I said, 326 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 he was a unified champion, he's gotten an opportunity. This 327 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,200 is a mandatory fight even though it's only an interim 328 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,600 title doubt, and he's going on the road to fight 329 00:15:01,679 --> 00:15:05,120 you FI in Birmingham, England, which is UFI stomping ground. 330 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,240 So he's gonna have obviously the big hometown crowd. He's 331 00:15:08,279 --> 00:15:10,480 gonna have to deal with the u PHI South past style. 332 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,480 Uh And so while I look at the fight, I 333 00:15:13,519 --> 00:15:16,480 feel like it's probably a pretty good fight action wise. 334 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:18,799 Rodriguez has been in some barn burners through the years. 335 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,279 You Phi has been somewhat crowd pleasing as well. He's 336 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,639 coming off a big win where he sent Sony Edwards 337 00:15:23,679 --> 00:15:26,240 into retirement, where he was able to win this you know, 338 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,039 vacant interim title for whatever that's worth. Sonny had been 339 00:15:29,039 --> 00:15:31,879 a champion at flyway for a while. You know, had 340 00:15:31,919 --> 00:15:35,240 dead lost of course previously, and when he squared off 341 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,080 with Bam Rodriguez and a unification, but again this was, uh, 342 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:42,080 he fi's had ninth professional fight, and he took on 343 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,600 a very season veteran like like Sony Edwards, and they 344 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,919 beat him pretty handily. And now he's taking another guy 345 00:15:47,399 --> 00:15:50,720 that has a lot of accomplishment, a lot of top 346 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:53,120 names on that resume, and see if he can keep uh, 347 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:55,159 keep the show going. Here's the bottom line. When he 348 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,679 turned pro at that age, match Room Boxing, which is 349 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:00,639 his promoter, the fighter, their whole team. They knew we're 350 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:03,360 not in this for like, we don't need a million fights. 351 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,639 We're going right into real guys. So again, when he 352 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:07,519 turned professionally, he was fighting in a ten rounder. He 353 00:16:07,519 --> 00:16:09,519 didn't waste time on sixes and eights and four So 354 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,200 now it's uh, he's in with real guys. I mean, 355 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,679 nobody can sit here and say I thought Sony Edwards 356 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,679 you were you know, cherry picking, or I'm fighting you know, 357 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Francisco Ordriguez, you're cherry picking. He's fighting competent quality fighters 358 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:22,840 in his flyweight division, and we'll see if he can 359 00:16:22,919 --> 00:16:24,840 keep the train going. But he's a he's a really 360 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,639 good fighter, even if time is not on his side. 361 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: Again, that is Saturday night in the UK, Saturday afternoon 362 00:16:31,879 --> 00:16:36,639 US time. A reminder coming up the bronze bomber Deontay 363 00:16:36,679 --> 00:16:40,639 Wilder with Dan prior to next Friday Night, June twenty 364 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:45,000 seventh's return for him against Tyrrell Herndon. Stay tuned for 365 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:51,159 that conversation. Now, let's talk a little bit about the middleweight. Really, 366 00:16:51,399 --> 00:16:55,600 two different middleweight fights. Veto Milnicki is the main event 367 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:58,879 in Newark, New Jersey on ESPN Plus Saturday Night, But 368 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,240 I know you are equally he is interested in the 369 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,240 co feature fight immediately before it on the undercard with 370 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,279 another middleweight and Jahee Tucker. So talk to me about 371 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:10,240 these two fights in the preview mode here. 372 00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:10,519 Speaker 4: I know. 373 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,799 Speaker 3: Look, it's something that we've talked about before. You are 374 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,720 still not sold on mil Nikki here. You want to 375 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:18,759 see more than what you've seen, go ahead? 376 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,559 Speaker 1: Not really, I'm just I'm being honest. On this card 377 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,920 does nothing for me. I'm disappointed that it's even happening, 378 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:27,319 that that that it's being made into like a big 379 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,119 deal main event on ESPN Plus. I don't get it. Uh, 380 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,759 Noil Nicky is in my opinion, a club fighter, level fighter, jaws, 381 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,359 a good crowd, nice kid and all that. But uh 382 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,319 he's fighting. Uh you know, Camille, how do we say, 383 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,319 We're gonna say his name card Zelik, Jorge Zelik. Uh, 384 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,960 he's undefeated. For what that's worth. He's right from Poland, 385 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,680 So I mean that's the attraction for the local audience. 386 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,599 You know, Veto is from that area in New Jersey, 387 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:54,119 not from Newark, but in that area, so he'll have 388 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,319 his fans that show up. He's always been a guy 389 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,400 that that brought some fans and sold some tickets. Uh, 390 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,359 have a a Polish opponent in Newark, which has got 391 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,240 a very large Polish community. They anytime there. That's where 392 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,000 Thomas Adamek, you know, who was a top champion and 393 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,119 obviously was Polish, had a huge crowd that turned out 394 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,400 for his fights on a regular basis. That main events 395 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,200 used to put on there years ago. So anyway, they're 396 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,920 relying on, you know a lot of interest from the 397 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:22,440 two local audiences, the New Jersey fans that are out 398 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,680 there for Veto and the Polish fans that are going 399 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,640 to turn out for the main event, as well as 400 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,160 for some of the other Polish fighters that are on 401 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,559 this undercard, and hopefully they'll put on a good fight. 402 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,119 But to think that this is somehow meaningful from the standpoint, 403 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,960 like you know, guys are going to be in world 404 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:39,279 championship contention or fighting real guys afterwards, it's not really 405 00:18:39,279 --> 00:18:41,599 like this. It's more like a show. It is what 406 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,160 it is. But you know, Noil Nicky's coming off the 407 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,279 draw against Connor Coyle in February that was on an 408 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,880 undercard that top rank did at the Madison Square Guard Theater. 409 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,039 Kind of a disappointing result for for Veto. They match 410 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:56,960 them up with the Polish opponent, Camille Garzelik, who's nineteen 411 00:18:57,039 --> 00:18:58,759 zero with four knockouts. But TJ, when I'm looking at 412 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:02,039 his recordmend I mean nothing of that. He's fighting guys 413 00:19:02,039 --> 00:19:04,920 who are like his last fight before this one. First 414 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,680 of all, it's only a second ever ten rounder, Like 415 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,440 three four fights ago he fought at ten. He's basically 416 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,279 been fighting six as an eight. His last fight was 417 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:14,839 a scheduled sixth rounder back in November. He fought an 418 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:18,160 opponent and didn't even get a knockout. Went a majority 419 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,599 decision in a sixth rounder against an opponent it was 420 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,640 four wins and fourteen losses. I mean the fight before that, 421 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,519 he fought a guy that was twenty six, twenty five 422 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,319 and two. I mean, lord, that's the type of opponents 423 00:19:30,319 --> 00:19:32,720 are matching up with. So nothing to you get pumped 424 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:34,039 up in terms of the main event. 425 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: Even if mil Nikki wins. 426 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,839 Speaker 3: But you're much more interested in this Tucker Lorenzo Simpson. 427 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:42,279 We will feature fight, same division, in the middle of 428 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:42,759 a division. 429 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,279 Speaker 1: When you say much more interested, it's all relative. I'm 430 00:19:45,279 --> 00:19:47,400 really not interested that much in either one of them. 431 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 3: But either let me rephrase Calts, or you're actually interested 432 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,440 in the feature fight. 433 00:19:53,559 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 2: How about that? Will you accept that? 434 00:19:56,839 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: At least with Tucker and Simpson, they're younger guys. They're 435 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,359 trying to still make a go of things. They came 436 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,920 with a lot of hype. They may not have lived 437 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,400 up to it initially, but maybe they still have a chance. 438 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,759 You know, they're in their early twenties. Tucker is fourteen 439 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,039 one and one. You know, he is a New York fighter, 440 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,440 and he's taking on Lorenzo Simpson. It was at one 441 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,440 point part of the Tank Davis camp. He's got a 442 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,240 lot of hype on him when he turned pro, but 443 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,880 he suffered some surprising losses. He lost to the upset 444 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,000 specialist Vladimir Hernandez, who's been in with everybody a couple 445 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,160 of fights ago. He lost to Raco Santana in a 446 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,039 split decision. You know, he's got one Winstonce And but again, 447 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,599 these are guys that it's like, this is the fight 448 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,759 where one guy can take a step forward at least 449 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:41,960 the other guy is going to be seriously damaged because 450 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,720 it's gonna have been exposure time, big time. So we'll see. 451 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:49,079 I mean, it's it's it's Baltimore against New York and 452 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:52,799 two guys that were hyped up prospects that hadn't quite 453 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:54,839 lived up to that hype. But again, they're young. One 454 00:20:54,839 --> 00:20:57,200 guy's twenty two to one guy's twenty five. If there's 455 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,799 gonna be a chance for them to make a go 456 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:03,119 and keep on an upward trajectory, they gotta win this fight. 457 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,119 So I'm mildly more interested in this than I am 458 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,000 in a meaningless main event. 459 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: All right, And that leads us to the interview with 460 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,160 Deontay Wilder in advance of his return. A couple of 461 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,839 losses for him in his last couple of fights. Does 462 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,839 the Bronze Bomber have anything left? Let's find out more 463 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:22,440 here with Dan. 464 00:21:24,039 --> 00:21:26,079 Speaker 1: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome to our podcast 465 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,160 this week. It is none only, none other than the 466 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,000 former WBC Heavyweight Champ of the World, Deontay Wilder. Deontay, 467 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,839 thank you very much for doing this. And before we 468 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,400 get into it, I'll tell the people why we're chatting 469 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,480 because you, for the first time in a year, are 470 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,480 coming back to the ring. You're gonna be taken on 471 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:43,119 Tyrrell Herndon in a ten round fight will take place 472 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,279 June twenty seventh in Wichita, Kansas, live on PPV, dot Com, 473 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,079 integrated sports, pay per view, satellite and cable operators all 474 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:54,000 over the place, so people can check that out to 475 00:21:54,039 --> 00:21:56,319 see the return of the Bronze Bomber. Deontay, how have 476 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,839 you been. It's been a while since we've talked. 477 00:21:58,759 --> 00:22:02,319 Speaker 5: I've been good, Dan, Just be dealing with the issues 478 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,960 that lives in hand with me in my life, getting 479 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:10,240 everything situated, you know, and under control, and uh, and. 480 00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:11,799 Speaker 4: It's been good. It's been good. 481 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 5: You know, we'll come to the bad comes to good 482 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,319 and with come of the good comes to bad. So's uh, 483 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,880 I say, my life has been balanced out pretty well. 484 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 4: You know. 485 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 5: And and I've just been taking care of a lot 486 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,599 of the business just let past last year, having some 487 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,240 type of understanding what's been going on with me? 488 00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 4: Why have I you. 489 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 5: Know, following on the store end of the stick, and 490 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,960 you know, my last couple of outings and different things 491 00:22:39,079 --> 00:22:42,559 just in all in general, you know, And and I 492 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,759 had to find a solution to the problem. You know, 493 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:47,960 at first I didn't understand what the hell was going 494 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,440 on with me, you know, and why things was happening. 495 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,960 And until I realized what was going on and why 496 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,519 things was happening, you know what I mean, if that 497 00:22:57,559 --> 00:22:58,039 makes sense? 498 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,559 Speaker 4: And here I am now. 499 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously, like you mentioned, you did lose 500 00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,960 a couple of fights. Yeah, the rough knockout to Angela 501 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,400 in your last fight that was a year ago. I 502 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:09,880 think a lot of people thought maybe that would be 503 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,160 your last fight. Obviously that's not the case. You're coming back. 504 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,599 Prior to that, you had that decision with Joe Parker. 505 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,240 But again you I carently still want to carry on. 506 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,960 Did you ever think about retirement or was it never 507 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,640 in your mind. 508 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 4: Now, the retirement was never ever, ever in my mind. 509 00:23:26,079 --> 00:23:28,920 Speaker 5: So you know a lot of people like to be 510 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:33,039 like to be first and being correct reading rooms about things. 511 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,359 But I always tell people, if you inherited from my mouth, 512 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,039 then if most likely it's not true. You know, I'm 513 00:23:40,039 --> 00:23:42,240 not a person that just give up to easy just 514 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,759 because things of my way. 515 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,880 Speaker 4: You know, it's a reason for all things. 516 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,039 Speaker 5: And as long as I continue, as long as I 517 00:23:50,039 --> 00:23:52,960 can stay healthy and continue to have a mind to 518 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,200 think and continue to focus, and my body can generate 519 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,359 the things that they need to at the. 520 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 4: Time they need, I'm here. 521 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,279 Speaker 5: You know, I still have got goals to set out 522 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:06,119 for this business, and I'm looking forward to seeing myself 523 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,480 a company that definitely before I retire, because when I 524 00:24:09,519 --> 00:24:12,480 do retire, you know the work, everyone would know that 525 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,480 it will be silent, it will be permanent, and it's 526 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,279 no coming back. 527 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:18,839 Speaker 4: I don't want to be the one. 528 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,039 Speaker 5: That retired, then come out of retirement, then go back, 529 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,839 and then come back out. 530 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 4: Of retirement, because we actually can do that to you. 531 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 5: You know, because once you're a warrior, you never the 532 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:30,799 warriors spirit definite lead. You always feel like you can fight, 533 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,079 that you got one more fight than you and you 534 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,720 can go on and do you know, do this or 535 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:37,920 do that, or become a champion or gion or whatever. 536 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,000 And you know that's the mentality of fighters should have 537 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,640 it there, you know what I mean that I. 538 00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 4: Can still do it. 539 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,799 Speaker 5: But there's also things that that's logic, things that make sense, 540 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,480 you know what I mean that what's real and what's 541 00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:55,000 not and for me be being able to run, return 542 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,599 and do what I need to do at a uh 543 00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,680 at at at the uh at the high level, I 544 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:00,559 could you do that? 545 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 4: You know that saying is down. 546 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: Well, I was just gonna say. My understanding is that 547 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,519 after after what happened in the last fight, that you 548 00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:11,079 had like a right shoulder surgery. Is that correct? 549 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:12,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's correct. 550 00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:14,559 Speaker 1: I mean you're I mean when you talk about the 551 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,759 right shoulder surgery, we know anybody that knows about Deontay 552 00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:19,799 Wilder knows the right hand is the money maker. That's 553 00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,000 where you've scored all your big, massive knockouts. That's what 554 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,960 you're best known for. So can you tell me a 555 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,960 little bit about what was that about and how things are? 556 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, even before even for that fight, I 557 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:34,559 had seld the injury going on. You know, man, I've 558 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:36,440 been dealing with it was the injury for the last 559 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:37,359 four years. 560 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: You know. 561 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 5: You know certain things you just got to keep it 562 00:25:41,519 --> 00:25:43,880 to yourself and you just got to go on with it. 563 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,039 And they don't need to complain about. You know, certain things. 564 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,240 You just got to live your life with it. You know, 565 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,279 many people, you may wait, many people you may you may, 566 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,839 you may. You may tell things about or you may 567 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,519 tell the world about it, and they look at it 568 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:02,640 as an excuse or whatever. But you know, certain things, 569 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,640 you know just not meant to be said. You know, 570 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,599 I tell people all the time. I say truthful the 571 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,319 things that I say. You know, people use my truth 572 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,440 for the for their excuse. It ain't my excuse, is 573 00:26:13,559 --> 00:26:16,240 my proof that I'm telling you and any type of 574 00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:16,759 way you want. 575 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: So is it if the shoulders good now though there's 576 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,559 no issues or anything. 577 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,519 Speaker 5: So it's great the shoulders you don't have the shoulder 578 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,880 is great, you know what I mean? This is the 579 00:26:26,279 --> 00:26:29,480 you know, the first time in a long time that 580 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:34,039 that I felt this way, you know. Uh, But get 581 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:35,440 all to be presented itself, you. 582 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:35,759 Speaker 4: Know what I mean. 583 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:37,839 Speaker 5: I can say a lot of the things, uh, and 584 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,799 like I've said in the past, you know what I mean, 585 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,240 to try to convince myself to to keep going and 586 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:44,720 convince myself. 587 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,599 Speaker 4: That it's gonna be okay over I have time. 588 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,079 Speaker 5: In training to get myself at a mental state that 589 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,880 I need to be. But at this point in time, 590 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:58,119 it's nothing that convincing. It's no convincing. It's definitely you know, 591 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:01,920 speaking from my heart and worth are you know, I'm 592 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,759 definitely injury free at this moment in time. And I 593 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,440 think I think, you know, Dan, it's gonna present itself. 594 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,640 You know, it ain't something that I gotta say. Week 595 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,400 is gonna present itself. You We're gonna see if if 596 00:27:14,519 --> 00:27:17,039 if it's really if it's not, you know what I mean. 597 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,720 And uh, And that's the great thing about it. 598 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,799 Speaker 1: So I know you didn't come back to fight just 599 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,759 to come back to fight Tyrrell Herdon. And I'm not 600 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,920 trying to insult Tyrrel Hernon, but he's obviously not a 601 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,799 world class level guy. And it's understandable, coming off the 602 00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:32,559 shoulder surgery, coming off a year left, coming off a 603 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,039 couple of losses, that it would make sense for somebody 604 00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:38,759 of your accomplishments who has still goals to come back 605 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:40,960 and sort of see where you are. So I guess 606 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,279 I want to insult your opponent. 607 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:42,759 Speaker 2: Uh. 608 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,319 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna assume that you're gonna win the fight. 609 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,680 I know you think you're gonna win the fight. 610 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:47,279 Speaker 4: Uh. 611 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,599 Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier you have still goals to take care 612 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,559 of in the boxing world. Can you tell me what 613 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,319 those goals are? 614 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,079 Speaker 5: I mean the univide A, the visits, you know what 615 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,039 I can all the things that I've I had coming in, 616 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,119 I still want to accomplish that. Know that that don't 617 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,599 I don't aboard the mission just because of certain things, 618 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,960 uh didn't go my way? 619 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. I've gotten the sort in 620 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,400 the stick. 621 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,519 Speaker 5: If anything enhances me allows me to go back and 622 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:16,240 reevaluate certain things and whatever the weakness is, then I 623 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:19,359 make stronger and get it right. But at the end 624 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,200 of the day, you got to have mental uir ability, 625 00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,680 and if you don't have it, then all things crashes, 626 00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:30,599 you know. And I've seen over the years that this 627 00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:33,880 country that mental mental health has been one of a 628 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,400 major priorities, probably one of on the top list. You know, 629 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,480 when it used to be a time where you know, 630 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,519 you talk about it, people look at you crazy, But 631 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,640 you know, it's a real factor. It's a real thing. 632 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:46,559 PTSD is a real thing. 633 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,799 Speaker 4: You know. And I just had to overcome a lot 634 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,119 of different things, you know. And and here I am. 635 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,799 Speaker 1: So you've been able to deal with the losses and 636 00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,880 like put them in their compartment and and get over 637 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:01,079 the him, so to speak. 638 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,559 Speaker 5: Because I understand why it occurred. Okay, So I understand 639 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,680 why the curred. And no matter what coach I had 640 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,160 at that time, no matter who I fought, I truly 641 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,039 felt that I see where I failed because of what 642 00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:16,880 I had going on. 643 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:17,279 Speaker 4: Uh. 644 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 5: It feels to be mostly within myself, you know what 645 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,240 I'm saying, outside. 646 00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:24,359 Speaker 4: Of the rings. 647 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,799 Speaker 5: Little of it done in the inside, but madard of it, 648 00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:31,000 Uh is displayed on the outside of the ring with 649 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:31,720 my battle. 650 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,079 Speaker 1: So tell me what you know or if you were 651 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:37,319 even concerned about Herndon. I mean, he's fought some names, 652 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:38,839 but I mean I look at the record. I see 653 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,319 he's been stopped a few times. Uh, he's one a 654 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,720 few fights a row against sort of lesser opponents. Richard Torres, 655 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,839 who's the Olympic silver medal winner, who was a prospect, 656 00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:50,319 did stop him. Uh, not that long ago and Richard 657 00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,640 me go on and become a heavyweight champion. But he's 658 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,880 certainly not at the level of a Deontay Wilder yet. 659 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,599 So when you when I asked you about Herndon, what 660 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,960 your thoughts about who you're going to be in front 661 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,519 of come U Friday night. 662 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know too much about Bottom, you know. 663 00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: I think we took a picture away back maybe ten 664 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,240 years ago or something like that. I met him in person, 665 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:13,920 you know, I haven't kept up with his career. I 666 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,400 know he's like twenty five, I mean twenty five and 667 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:22,440 five something like that, and twenty four and five and 668 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:22,599 uh and. 669 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,839 Speaker 4: Fallt some decent fighters and stuff. And this is definitely. 670 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,559 Speaker 5: A fight that is coming up to tune up, you 671 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,480 know what I mean, to see where I am. This 672 00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:34,079 is a placement fight for myself, you know what I mean. 673 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,440 Of course, for him, it's a different fight because he's 674 00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:39,319 you know or who I am, and he can make 675 00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,400 a name off of me and stuff like that. So 676 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,480 it's the meaning. It's totally different for him, But for 677 00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:49,599 me is me returning and getting back what I know 678 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,799 that it's rightfully mind to what I know, what I 679 00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,440 can do, you know, and that's my thing. 680 00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: This is tuning up for me. 681 00:30:56,039 --> 00:30:59,799 Speaker 5: And I think for these next for these next few 682 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,279 I was, uh, for the next SEVERER fight would be 683 00:31:02,359 --> 00:31:05,240 that the tune and uh as we go, we put 684 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,720 grant that we get our back together and get. 685 00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:10,799 Speaker 4: Back to the top of things. 686 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 5: You know, in the heavyweight division, we all know that 687 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:15,640 we want to fight away from a tablishtill fight. You 688 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,960 know what I mean in a given moment and any 689 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,839 given time, you know. But I want to reassure myself 690 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200 that I'm I'm I'm I'm mentally physically and mostly back. 691 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:28,400 Like like I claim that I am not a comeback 692 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,359 is a return, and I too feel that way. Dan. 693 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: One thing Deontay that it seemed to me over the 694 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,359 last few fights, uh that you became still dangerous with 695 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,599 the right hand, obviously, but you became very predictable because 696 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,920 everybody would watch it Deontay Wilder fight and just say 697 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,279 he's looking to load up and land one big right hand, 698 00:31:46,519 --> 00:31:48,960 and you were using less and less of the other 699 00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:52,440 skills that you have, your jab in particular, And I 700 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,960 wonder if that's been part of the conversation with the team, 701 00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,039 is we need to use this fight yeah, of course 702 00:31:57,079 --> 00:31:59,000 you want the big knockout. If it comes, I'm sure 703 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,079 it will be with the right hand, especially if you 704 00:32:01,079 --> 00:32:03,119 say your shoulder and your right is all good now. 705 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,519 But then you're not looking toybe set things up and 706 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,480 use the things that you would abandon do. You could 707 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:10,519 have looked at your pass fights and be like I did, 708 00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:12,759 get away from that. I think as the Luis Hertez rematch, 709 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,119 where everybody knew in the world that was looking at 710 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,440 it looking for the right hand, and you got them. 711 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,240 But it took a little while to get there. You 712 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:21,319 were way behind getting to that point. 713 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 5: Well you know, you know with the things that I 714 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:27,960 going on, and like I said, you have to be 715 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,000 mentally ready and prepared for. 716 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,079 Speaker 4: A lot of things, and I wasn't mentally. 717 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,599 Speaker 5: I was physically and mostly prepared for well I half 718 00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:38,960 physically because I still had to tow the injury and stuff. 719 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,720 So I was limited to what I can do, you 720 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:45,000 know with that, so I understand, I understood the position 721 00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,920 that I was in. I understood the tools that I had. 722 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:49,799 Speaker 1: Or are you gonna show me a jab? Is what 723 00:32:49,839 --> 00:32:50,359 I want to know. 724 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 5: You got to be that you're going you gotta be 725 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,359 that to twenty seven, I'll be watching it and to 726 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,640 find out I'm watching it, Yeah, for sure. 727 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 4: I think I'm Like. 728 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 5: I said, I think I'm You know, I could say 729 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,799 whatever I want, you know what I mean. Just talk 730 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,519 to the other coaches or talk to my foreign partners 731 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,079 and get their their opinion about it, and I could 732 00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:12,200 say anything. You know, I I no one will have returned. 733 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,759 You know, I'm injury free. 734 00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:15,839 Speaker 4: I could. I could honestly say that, you know what 735 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:16,200 I mean. 736 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,359 Speaker 5: And it's a great feeling to feel that way. You know, 737 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,680 if you know, if anybody nobody shows, they know, that's 738 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,759 the long that's the that's the longest recovery on the 739 00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:26,799 body that can take place, at least one of them. 740 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,039 Speaker 1: So you know a little bit, I'll say the division 741 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:32,440 is sort of there's a there's a pathway right now. 742 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,759 There's fights that are taking place. You got dubir and 743 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:36,440 who's sick in the rematch that's gonna be for the 744 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:39,319 undisputed title. A lot of guys are tied up with things. 745 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,440 Uh Tyson fury year old Folk says he's retired. We'll 746 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,720 see if we actually believe that. 747 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:45,279 Speaker 4: Uh. 748 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,799 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people do the big 749 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:50,000 fight still for you, even if it's not what it 750 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,319 was five years ago. Would have been you and Joshua. 751 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:56,279 Of course, Anthony Joshua. You were both undefeated, you both 752 00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:59,119 had titles. Would have been for the undisputed championship, was 753 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,839 a huge fight at the time. Is that the fight 754 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:04,519 that you have? I mean, if you can't get the 755 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,960 title fight, which I know you want, is that still 756 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,719 sort of like the goalfight to to finally you and 757 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,400 Joshua to lock up in a fight that, even today's 758 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,239 still a lot of people would like to see. I'm sure, yeah, I. 759 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 5: Mean, that's the number one fighter a lot of people 760 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:20,760 would steel like to see. It's surprising to me. I 761 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:26,880 just got this question yesterday about it, and they were 762 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,679 reaching out to a lot of I don't know how 763 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,320 they did it, a pole or whatever whatever they did, 764 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:35,599 and people still interested in it. And you know, I'm 765 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:38,559 in I'm in the business. So if that fight come 766 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,480 about and it's real, then of course you know what 767 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,079 I mean. But I won't believe until me and him 768 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:44,719 is in the ring. 769 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:45,039 Speaker 4: Act. 770 00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:49,039 Speaker 1: You did have a signed contract when you were on 771 00:34:49,079 --> 00:34:51,880 the doubleheader together. He got to win. Unfortunately for the 772 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,960 sake of that fight. You obviously didn't get the victory 773 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,480 in that kind of went by the wayside, so you. 774 00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,159 Speaker 5: But you know, it's it's still a lot of stuff 775 00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,840 that goes in the details of that how that even occur. 776 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: But and he took he took a hard loss. Since 777 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,280 then he got knocked out badly by Duba, So yeah, 778 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:08,760 you know. 779 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,199 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's been a lot of mistracks and stuff 780 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,519 like that, you know what I mean. I mean, I 781 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,280 believe in divine timing. I believe if it's gonna happen, 782 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,679 it will happen and is appropriate time and only then. 783 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,360 You know, I still have my I still have my 784 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,760 feelings towards why it didn't happen way way back years ago, 785 00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,719 you know, when I was willing, ready or able to 786 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:36,599 do so, but unfortunately Death Side wasn't as honest to 787 00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,239 people as they should be or whatever. Just let it know, 788 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480 you know, That's why. You know, I have a problem 789 00:35:41,519 --> 00:35:43,840 sometime with certain things come back. Why you say this? 790 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,559 Speaker 4: Why Because I'm I'm the realist in boxer. I'm gonna 791 00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:47,360 speak my piece. 792 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 5: I haven't lied about anything I've said, no matter what 793 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,920 people may dissect or whatever. They won't say I make 794 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,039 an excuse about I risked my life, so I don't 795 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,119 want to lie about anything when it comes to box. 796 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,559 Speaker 1: Is there any regrets though that it didn't happen five 797 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,639 six years ago when it was the biggest fight in 798 00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:05,880 the heavyweight division, one of the biggest fights in the 799 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:06,760 whole sport. 800 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 5: It's not a regret on my end because I know, 801 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,360 I know my team. We try everything possible to make 802 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,880 that fight happen, and we can live with that. And 803 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,880 that's the that's the God on is true, you know 804 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,599 what I mean. If God came down right now, he 805 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:22,639 would let everybody know what it real is. 806 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 4: You know. 807 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 5: I don't know about the end because you know it's 808 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000 a different story, you know. But for me, like I said, Dan, 809 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,639 I ain't never lied about anything in boxing or whatever. 810 00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:35,280 Whether people believe what I said or not, you know, 811 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,280 I kept it real and that's why I can sleep 812 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:37,760 at night. 813 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 4: You know. Of course, we would have made some great 814 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:40,920 money and it would have. 815 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 5: Been a great fight. It would have been in the 816 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,760 history of things. But it was out of my con throw. 817 00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:48,559 I did everything, even even accepted to say lower money. 818 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: But he's not for a fight now. He wants to 819 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,079 fight this fall. Deontay Wilder wins in June. Seems the 820 00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,679 timing would be set up very well to do that 821 00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,360 match up maybe at the end of this year. 822 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:00,320 Speaker 4: Is that? Uh? 823 00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:01,159 Speaker 1: Is that would be? 824 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 5: That? 825 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,159 Speaker 1: Is that like you're the main thing you would want 826 00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,519 even before a title fight, or would you potentially even 827 00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,280 though that the titles will be tied off, you probably 828 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,440 wouldn't get it tidy wise. 829 00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,639 Speaker 5: I mean, that's just something that my managers didn't when 830 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,119 once the discussing happened, and is real they had to 831 00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:19,880 come to discuss with me. But at the meantime, I'm 832 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,280 gonna continue in my core of what I'm doing and 833 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:23,800 what we're trained to do, you know what I mean. 834 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 4: I you know, it's like the same. 835 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 5: Fool me one staying on you fool me, fool me 836 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,480 twice in the same team. And I don't want to 837 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:33,920 get my hopes up and I don't want to mislead 838 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:36,079 anyone until oh. 839 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 4: Yeah man, you know, yeah, I make money makes sure 840 00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,320 I'm ready now. It's more than that. More than that, 841 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:43,079 you know. 842 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:46,079 Speaker 5: I understand that I can want to fight so badly, 843 00:37:46,559 --> 00:37:48,440 but it doesn't matter how bad I want it. 844 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 4: He gotta want it as well. 845 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 5: And the people that surround him must want it as 846 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,840 well as well as my people must want it. And 847 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,519 it can't be one person have one side of the 848 00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,480 store and the other ones that don't want to have 849 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:00,000 another side. 850 00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,639 Speaker 4: Uh. And it's it's confusing to people if people. 851 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,079 Speaker 5: Want to know who this is what, because at the 852 00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:07,159 end of the day, it don't matter about records. It 853 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,679 don't matter. It don't matter, It don't matter even a 854 00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,559 boy who to fight. People just want to see a 855 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:15,960 great fight, would you. I'll go fight them anywhere, even 856 00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:17,800 if it's in hell. But I'm gonna get out of there. 857 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,679 Speaker 1: So let me ask you one more thing about what 858 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,039 you got coming up on, Freddick. Are we gonna see 859 00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,599 another big Deontay Wilder knockout? Because that's the calling card, obviously, 860 00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:28,920 that's what everybody knows you for. 861 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, And I smile when I say that. 862 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,360 Speaker 1: Man, it's been a while. 863 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,119 Speaker 4: It's been a while. It's been a while. I've had 864 00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:39,199 a lot of things going on. And I got to 865 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:40,039 tell people. 866 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 5: That, especially my fans, that I forgive me for for 867 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:49,000 for for my lack luster of performing my last few fights. 868 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480 It just I had a lot of stuff going on. 869 00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,840 I didn't know how to handle it. I didn't know 870 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,440 what to do. I didn't you know, Until I figure 871 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,599 out what to do and how to handle it, you know, 872 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,039 it should be a different became now it will be 873 00:39:01,079 --> 00:39:04,360 a different outcome, and should it will be a different 874 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,360 outcome this time around, and and and and and and 875 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,559 the fights to come. You know, we all go through things. 876 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,079 You know, we're not robots and fighters were really we 877 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,199 still go through things in life, trials and fibulations up 878 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,039 and down, you know, people taking advantage of us all 879 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,159 the time, you know, and we just try to we do. 880 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:28,679 Speaker 4: Things and figure things out as it is. And unfortunately, you. 881 00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:32,320 Speaker 5: Know, my time has came alone with things has disrupted 882 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,000 my life, you know, from going on, a lot of 883 00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:40,119 betrayal has happened, and I just in injury. You know 884 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,800 a lot of things have occurred like a domino effect 885 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,119 from years and years out and I'm just I'm just human. 886 00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,599 I have to take it one day at a time, 887 00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:49,880 one step at a time to get it right. And 888 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,760 uh that's why I'm here now. I'm not giving up. 889 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,960 I can't give up. So many people still look up 890 00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,880 to me, you know, to this day, and I like 891 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:03,159 lead by example, So here we are Dune the twenty 892 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,440 seven with Soo Kansas. 893 00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:05,159 Speaker 4: I can't wait. 894 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,559 Speaker 5: You know this is gonna be a revealed not only 895 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:10,599 for myself but for a lot of other people. I know, 896 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,159 I'm ready, I know I'm right, I know I'm back. 897 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,840 It's just time to put the action in because I 898 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,400 can say. 899 00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:16,679 Speaker 4: All I want. 900 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 5: We just had many of things before and the outcome 901 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,039 has been different than what the dog has been. But 902 00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:26,679 I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty confident and what I'm saying. 903 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: You know, as we've been talking about, you know, some 904 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,320 of the stuff that's gone on recent fights, obviously talking 905 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,360 about the big knockouts that you've got. I would have 906 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,639 never asked you this before, and I was ringside for 907 00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:39,079 almost all of them. Do you have a favorite knockout? 908 00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:40,960 Because you've had so many spectacular ones. 909 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 4: I don't have. I don't have one, you know, and. 910 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,519 Speaker 1: People to Arthur Spilka, I must be honest. 911 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, Arthur was good. 912 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,199 Speaker 5: But if I had to pick, I tell people if 913 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,880 I had to pick, and when and when I when 914 00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,159 asked that question, the first thing to come to my 915 00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,440 head is, uh, Dominic. 916 00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: Brazil another great one out? 917 00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:01,199 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 918 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,159 Speaker 1: And rematches another one. 919 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know all of them means a lot 920 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,960 to me because of the you know it was. You know, uh, 921 00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:11,880 I respect all fighters to step. 922 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:12,079 Speaker 4: In the ring. 923 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 5: You know, I always tell we all risk in our 924 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,679 lives for others entertainment, and I highly respect every fighter, 925 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,039 no matter what that skill level is. You know, we 926 00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,880 all other one percent and you gotta give your hair, 927 00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:28,360 take your hass off to these fighters. So you know, 928 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,320 with that being said, every time I go in, there 929 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,679 is a glorifying moment in time for every knockout. That's 930 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,800 why I don't really particularly have a have a favorite. 931 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,119 But if I go with my heart, and when people 932 00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:40,719 ask me that. 933 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 4: The first the first picture that comes. 934 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 5: To my head or image that comes to my head 935 00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:49,719 is that now it may change ten years later they 936 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,119 say I was I was just safe, buzz and a 937 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,079 lot of things about us changed. Every time night will 938 00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:59,800 be your favorite, right they just we have to see, 939 00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,119 all right, Deontay, I appreciate that very much. It's been 940 00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,800 my privilege to be ringside for many of your biggest knockouts. 941 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,360 I wish you the best of luck against Tyrol Herndon. 942 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,159 I look forward to watching it. Thank you, very much 943 00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:12,079 for doing this, and good luck to you, yes, sir, 944 00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:15,920 thank you so much to all my fans. I love 945 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,599 you guys so much. Let's tune in if you can 946 00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:22,119 beat that, some up doing the twenty seven at toss 947 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:25,320 coc Arena. If you can't beat that paperview dot com. Baby, 948 00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:28,679 I see you guys there, and I see whether I 949 00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,280 see you there or where you tune in. Thank you 950 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,719 for your love and support and may God blessed and 951 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,840 happy doom things. 952 00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 3: All right, So the Bronze Bomber always talks a good game, 953 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,639 seems in good spirits. Again, our friends at PPV dot 954 00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:45,920 com who sponsor us here on the pod, they will 955 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,119 be a showing that. Just to wrap it up, having 956 00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,079 talked to him, what your thoughts. 957 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,239 Speaker 1: Are Listen, Deontay, Like you mentioned, he's got a couple 958 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,599 losses in a row. He's in the twilight of his career. 959 00:42:57,679 --> 00:42:59,719 He's not that far away from being forty years old 960 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:02,920 trying to make another go of it. Obviously, you know 961 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,159 there's hopes and dreams I guess of still somehow salvaging 962 00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:09,320 a prospect of an Anthony Joshua fight that to me 963 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:11,360 is passed. It sell by date, but there's some that 964 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,320 still might want to see it. Deontay Obviously, if that 965 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,239 fight does happen, there'll be a big paycheck for everybody involved, 966 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,440 and it is what it is, so you know, I 967 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,719 wish Deontay the best of luck. Obviously. I've been covering 968 00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:24,760 Deontay's entire crib, been knowing him since I was at 969 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,639 his professional debut, and hopefully he can whatever it becomes 970 00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:31,760 of the rest of his career that he can. I 971 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,679 hope for every fighter, I hope this he can walk 972 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,480 away in his own terms. That's unlikely, but we'll see. 973 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 2: And that leads us now to some news. 974 00:43:40,519 --> 00:43:42,760 Speaker 3: We're going over some ground that we've been covering, but 975 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:46,880 it is now official that the Canelo Quawford Bout will 976 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,079 be at Allegiance Stadium, the home of the Las Vegas Raiders. 977 00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:55,000 The football stadium TKO is promoting it and it is 978 00:43:55,039 --> 00:43:58,639 going to be September thirteenth, on Saturday, which means that 979 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,920 UNLV football is on the move all So tell me 980 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,000 more on the particulars here, as they've now made all 981 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,519 of it official for later on this year. 982 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, this does not come as a surprise. I said 983 00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,079 to you when they first made it official that in fact, 984 00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:14,800 it would definitely be on the thirteenth, and they stated 985 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,360 specifically would definitely be in Las Vegas. Remember, there was 986 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,400 some questions about where it would wind up because Turkey 987 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,280 seemed to be changing his mind and leaving the doors 988 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,800 open for other possibilities. Once they said it's going to 989 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,239 be the thirteenth and it's going to be in Vegas, 990 00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,840 and of course they also had the component where they 991 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,320 announced it would be streamed on Netflix, not as a 992 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,119 pay per view. I said to you, I think right 993 00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,559 on this show in our last episode, they didn't announce 994 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:39,960 Las Vegas, not knowing that it was going to be 995 00:44:40,039 --> 00:44:41,480 where it was going to be. They just didn't have 996 00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:44,199 maybe everything you know, in terms of the ies dotted 997 00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,800 and the t's crossed. But I had reported all along 998 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,599 that everybody I knew that was about with this fight, 999 00:44:48,639 --> 00:44:50,519 saying they were getting that worked out to be at 1000 00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:53,119 Allegiance Stadium, which is where it was announced back in 1001 00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,679 early May in the ring after Canello's victory against William Skull. 1002 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,079 You know, Turkey Alshik stood there with Crawford and n 1003 00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:02,119 L face to face and said it would be you know, 1004 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:03,840 in the big stadium in Las Vegas. He was talking 1005 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,199 about Allegian Stadium, which has never hosted a combat sports event. 1006 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,440 This will be the first for that holds about sixty 1007 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,079 five thousand for the fight, maybe a little bit more 1008 00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,599 because they could put seating on the field, where obviously, 1009 00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,000 if you're in a football game, you need the field 1010 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,960 to play, and so you know, that's an added dimension 1011 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,119 to it, and they're gonna look to have a big matchup. 1012 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:21,280 Speaker 4: Now. 1013 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,199 Speaker 1: You mentioned also by the way, that the TKO folks 1014 00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,599 will be promoting the fight. TKO is the name of 1015 00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:30,280 the parent company that owns UFC and WWE, and also 1016 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:34,119 whatever their boxing promotion company that's being created will be called. 1017 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,840 It was also announced that they will call and this 1018 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,320 is not a surprise. Dana Whites had this name registered forever. 1019 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,039 He's talked about it for years. I thought maybe they 1020 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:43,400 would have some kind of different name for it. But 1021 00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,559 they're going to call it Zoofho Boxing, which doesn't come 1022 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:48,960 as a surprise at all. So we can stop calling 1023 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,800 it TKO Boxing and we'll call it ZOOFH Boxing. That 1024 00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,960 will be I guess the official promoter of the event, 1025 00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,320 and it'll be at the Big Stadium. Then we'll have 1026 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,400 a big crowd, a big party. 1027 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,280 Speaker 2: Yep, and again they've never had something like that. 1028 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,679 Speaker 4: There. 1029 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,559 Speaker 3: Here we go with that. Four September. All right, more 1030 00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:08,679 news speaking of a former Canelo opponent, Haimi Mungia. Not 1031 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,159 surprising here the B sample has returned after his positive 1032 00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,920 test for PEDS for testosterone and the B sample is 1033 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000 also positive as well. All right, that's not unexpected. So 1034 00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,719 what are the next steps here after Mongia got a 1035 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,280 win to get his career back on track in Saudi Arabia. 1036 00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this relates to the rematch that it was 1037 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,840 on that Canelo skull undercart where he got the revenge 1038 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,800 in the rematch against against bruos Errasse. It had knocked 1039 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,920 him out very severely back in December. Was the knockout 1040 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,639 of the ear for everybody. And so they had the 1041 00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,320 rematch and he won the fight. And then of course 1042 00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,119 afterwards he tested positive for having an exogenious origin of 1043 00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,159 testosterone in his system and a VADA test that is 1044 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,320 meaning testosterone that was not produced by your body, it 1045 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:59,440 was introduced from outside your body, which is banned. And 1046 00:46:59,519 --> 00:47:02,079 so therefore where he was flagged for an adverse finding. 1047 00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,679 And you know, as every athlete that undergoes these types 1048 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,000 of tests, you have the right to ask for your 1049 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,559 B sample to be tested, to be present, to pay 1050 00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:12,239 for it on your own, and if it comes back differently, 1051 00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,199 you know, then that's obviously an issue. TJ. As I've 1052 00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,039 said this a thousand times every time there's a drug 1053 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:20,960 test situation, I could like the fucking broken record. The 1054 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:25,559 chances of the A and the B being different are extremely, extremely, 1055 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,519 extremely rare. I mean, it just doesn't happen. I've written 1056 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,239 countless stories and I can't remember. 1057 00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:32,760 Speaker 4: Now. 1058 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,679 Speaker 1: There's sometimes been issues about you know, you know, the 1059 00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:39,320 chain of custody in these types of things. 1060 00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,199 Speaker 2: Right, But technicality, technicality. 1061 00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's done legit, there's no reason why the 1062 00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:45,679 A and the B would ever be different. And so 1063 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,360 when this B sample came back positive for the exact 1064 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,920 same thing, it was like the least surprising thing in 1065 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,599 the world's It's as surprising as the sun rising and 1066 00:47:54,639 --> 00:47:57,440 setting in the evening. I mean, it just it is expected. 1067 00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:00,199 So okay. Now, the thing that when Timy Monkey and 1068 00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,360 his teammates their statements that they posted on their social channels, 1069 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,559 they did say that Haimi was present personally for the 1070 00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:09,239 opening of the sample, which took place at the WADA 1071 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,800 accredited laboratory in Utah, which is where most of these 1072 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,960 things take place, and so now it comes back positive. 1073 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,320 They still maintained that he didn't do it meaningful, you know, knowingly, 1074 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,400 or anything like that that they suspect contamination. I'll call 1075 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,519 bullshit on that, because you can love him or hate him. 1076 00:48:26,519 --> 00:48:29,280 But Victor Kante, who I've known for many years, who 1077 00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,280 was a noted drug testing expert, who has done his 1078 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,920 time for all the terrible things he did in terms 1079 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,039 of drug use and abuse from athletes, but he knows 1080 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:42,039 his shit, whatever you think about him. And he said 1081 00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:43,800 to me, and I wrote this in the original story, 1082 00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,079 like that, in all the years he's been involved in 1083 00:48:46,639 --> 00:48:51,599 this situation, in drug testing, in steroids and illicit drugs 1084 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,559 and banned substances and all of his knowledge, he was joking. 1085 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,519 He's like, there's no such thing as testosterone contamination. I 1086 00:48:57,519 --> 00:49:00,159 have never heard of that in my life. So if 1087 00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,920 Victor has never heard of testosterone contamination, I'll take that 1088 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,000 as something that's meaningful. So they'll fight this. I guess 1089 00:49:08,039 --> 00:49:09,239 how were the best again, But at the end of 1090 00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,679 the day, the British Boxing Board of Control, which was 1091 00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:13,880 the regulator in charge of this event in Saudi Arabia. 1092 00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:17,000 They've overseen many of those bouts because a lot of 1093 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,360 them are filled with British fighters and they hire them 1094 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,239 outside UH to do the to regulate the events. They 1095 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,239 appoint the referees and the judges and you know, do 1096 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,239 all the things that are associated with regulation. Anyway, they'll 1097 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,840 they'll presumably at some point in the near future, schedule 1098 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,639 a hearing UH and they'll have to go before the 1099 00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,519 British Boxing Board of Control. Most likely this will be 1100 00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:37,559 just like we saw with plenty of other cases. I'll 1101 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:40,800 use Ryan Garcia's as a more recent example. They'll change 1102 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,400 the result of his win to an no contest and 1103 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,119 I'll get a year suspension, maybe longer, but he's going 1104 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,039 to be sat down for a while. And uh, you 1105 00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:49,960 know that's the bottom line. It's this, This is just 1106 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,559 like every other case. Seems pretty straightforward. 1107 00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,679 Speaker 3: To me, and it's and it's sidetracked his career again, 1108 00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,039 just like the knockout to Sirase in the first place 1109 00:49:57,039 --> 00:50:00,440 at the end of last year on Haimi Mung. All right, 1110 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,880 we did make reference one more news item Boots, Ennis, Rayphiel. 1111 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,920 Can we not have good things? This was set up 1112 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,159 to be what would be a compelling now after the 1113 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,880 Norman knockout, certainly compelling unification fight with Jiron Ennis with 1114 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,800 two of the welterweight titles, Norman with a third title, 1115 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,880 the WBO belt. But Jiron Ennis since last week talked 1116 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,519 on the podcast announces he's going to move up to 1117 00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:30,400 junior middleweight before Norman ever fights on Thursday. Can we 1118 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,199 not have good things and not have this fight? 1119 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,360 Speaker 2: What is going on? 1120 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: First of all, it was even a few days before 1121 00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:39,239 that Boots took to a social media on what they 1122 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,840 say today is we're taping this on Thursday. So on 1123 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,719 Wednesday he announced on his social media that he was 1124 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:46,840 moving up. And wait a few days before that, when 1125 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,639 Eddie Hearn, his promoter from mattrom Boxing, was doing some 1126 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:53,079 interviews that were related to his last fight last week, 1127 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,079 he was asked about that and was saying that Boots 1128 00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:56,639 was moving. 1129 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 2: Off to New York at the Hitchens fight exactly. 1130 00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,880 Speaker 1: So he made the official announcement on social media. And Uh, 1131 00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,360 it's disappointing. I mean he obviously he's had trouble making 1132 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,559 No I mean I don't know if he's in trouble 1133 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,159 make the way. He made it the way pretty from 1134 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:10,119 all accounts, he made it very well and no problems 1135 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,840 in terms of getting prepared for what is uh his 1136 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,320 unification fight a few months ago against Amanta stanionis where 1137 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,440 he looked really good in that fight, strong and scored 1138 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,199 the knockout and you know, put on a heck of 1139 00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,480 a show and unified the titles, won the you know, 1140 00:51:22,519 --> 00:51:26,559 the the ring title, et cetera. There had been some 1141 00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:28,960 I didn't speak to match about this, but from what 1142 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,480 the the the the uh. Brian Norman Camp says in 1143 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,199 Top Rank that they were approached with this Norman Susaki 1144 00:51:36,199 --> 00:51:38,519 fight coming up about trying to make a deal and 1145 00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,400 they were politely told, listen, I'm gonna let our guy 1146 00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,679 get to do the fight on Thursday, and let's talk 1147 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,639 about it right after the fight. Well, he waited until 1148 00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,800 exactly one day before the fight the announce he's moving up. 1149 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,440 So it is what it is. I don't I don't 1150 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,079 think he's ducking him and just get tired of the 1151 00:51:53,639 --> 00:51:56,639 of the of the of the nonsense. I mean, if 1152 00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:57,440 you want to you're. 1153 00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,199 Speaker 3: Talk, I'm gonna say it again, you're talking I'm a 1154 00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,239 guy that was theending Jeron Ennis, and I'm now because 1155 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,440 of this saying, you're talking out of all sides of 1156 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,000 your mouth. You can't have all sides of the argument 1157 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,519 where you're saying you're not moving up to fight Virgil 1158 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:12,880 Ortiz because you want to unify the belts at Walter 1159 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:13,920 Wade and you want to be created. 1160 00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:15,280 Speaker 1: He did do that. 1161 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 2: He fought one more fight, but it was important. 1162 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: It was a unification. Okay, hold on, hold on, he 1163 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,000 couldn't get Barrios because he's fighting Paca. The Norman fight 1164 00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:28,440 you probably could have gotten, but for his reasons, he 1165 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,800 decided to move up. I'm not defending it. I'm just saying, 1166 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,440 but don't say he didn't unify. 1167 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,480 Speaker 2: He deunified one of the belts. 1168 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:37,920 Speaker 3: I took him. I heard him, I heard him say, 1169 00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:41,440 I heard him say that he wanted to be undisputed. 1170 00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,199 Speaker 1: He wanted to try to anybody says they want to 1171 00:52:43,199 --> 00:52:43,760 be understoned. 1172 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:48,079 Speaker 3: Okay, but again, you can't have all sides of the argument. 1173 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,960 You can't then win one more fight and say now 1174 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,159 I'm going to go to one fifty four. 1175 00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:53,719 Speaker 2: You can't have all sides. 1176 00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:57,639 Speaker 1: He turned down the Virgil fight. Yes, I hope they 1177 00:52:57,679 --> 00:53:00,000 fight each other at fifty four. That'd be a terrific matchup. 1178 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,760 You know, he he he could have had a bowload 1179 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,599 of money to go through with the fight against t 1180 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,400 FM Malpez that Turkey al Chic had proposed and put 1181 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:09,400 up a ton of money for. He decided not to 1182 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,960 do that either, which you know, people are defending Boots saying, well, 1183 00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:15,079 he wants to be ondisputed, he wants to unify. That's 1184 00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:17,079 not a unification. Let me tell you, fighting against t 1185 00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,159 f Olpez, who's the Bona FID Junior welterweight champion, is 1186 00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,480 a big deal. If he's fighting the welterweight champion, and 1187 00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,800 you're making a lot more money than you could have 1188 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,159 made for a unification fight, because a Teya Femo fight 1189 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,280 that's being bankrolled by Turkey is going to be worth 1190 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,679 the hell a lot more than you fighting Mario Barrios 1191 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,559 or even Brian Norman. So you know, take that for 1192 00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,639 what it's worth. But he did turn that down, and 1193 00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:42,039 now he didn't wait around even see if they could 1194 00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,440 make the Norman fight, which they had talked about back 1195 00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,159 at the end of the you know last year, what 1196 00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,280 he ended up taking. You know, he didn't want to 1197 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920 do the Chikaze rematch understandably, and they were a few 1198 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,599 hundred thousand apart on making Norman fight. It is what 1199 00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:56,480 it is, so I wish him good luck up there. 1200 00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,360 I hope he does fight Virgil Ortiz, but it's disappointing 1201 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,679 because the wreck will always be what the record is. 1202 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,840 You can talk about whatever you want about his talent, 1203 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,320 his ability is potential, however you want to describe it. 1204 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,119 At the end of the day, his rep his legacy 1205 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,360 and I put that loosely in quote marks, because I 1206 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,519 don't think he really has one. As a welterweight. Is 1207 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,400 he unified two belts against a Montestanionis who was a 1208 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,960 good fighter, but a regular kind of guy, not going 1209 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,679 to ever be in the Hall of Fame, a guy 1210 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,239 that most people will never remember years from now. It 1211 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:27,840 was a nice win. He did a good job in 1212 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,440 that fight. But if your legacy is I became a 1213 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,280 two bell champion because I defeated in montesestanionis congratulations, But 1214 00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:38,840 you're not going to be on my Hall of Fame ballot. 1215 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,039 Speaker 2: You're a voter, all right? 1216 00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,480 Speaker 3: Good on that one piece of Nostalgia twenty fifth anniversary 1217 00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:49,280 of Sugar Saye Mosley in an exciting win over Oscar 1218 00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,519 de la Hoya. A couple of legends speaking of guys 1219 00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,280 that would fight each other round robin all the time, 1220 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,199 included Floyd Mayweather, included Manny Pacquiao and others that were 1221 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,679 willing to fight each other. That fight was June seventeen, 1222 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,719 two twenty five years ago, and we encourage everybody to 1223 00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,559 go to our Big Fight Weekend YouTube page to watch 1224 00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,039 you and I talk more about that night. You were 1225 00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:15,559 ringside around the celebs. It was a great night that 1226 00:55:15,679 --> 00:55:18,800 night in La Do I not remember? That's the first 1227 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,360 time you've ever been to California was June of two thousand. 1228 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,599 Speaker 1: My first ever trip to I've now been to California 1229 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:28,440 in Los Angeles for boxing matches numerous times as well 1230 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,639 as I have a family that lives in San Diego 1231 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,440 since then that I've been to. My in laws lived there. 1232 00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,519 We visited them on a number of occasions. But yeah, 1233 00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:36,480 that was exciting to go there for the first time 1234 00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:39,639 and have it be for what was an unbelievably fantastic fight. 1235 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:41,199 Speaker 3: All right, so we push you to the Big Fight 1236 00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,360 Weekend YouTube page and watch us discussing that moving pictures. 1237 00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,000 You'll see what we look like on Shane Moseley's dramatic 1238 00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,800 don't don't threaten them TJ with that, but Sugar Shane's 1239 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,159 dramatic win over Oscar de la Hoya. We're talking it 1240 00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:53,960 up from June seventeenth, two thousand. 1241 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,360 Speaker 2: There With that, we. 1242 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,519 Speaker 3: Have previewed the weekend great stuff. As always, we'll come 1243 00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:02,440 off the week with a recap podcast and then it 1244 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,800 is not only Deontay Wilder fight week, it is Jake 1245 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,559 Paul Julio Sesar Chavez fight week. 1246 00:56:08,599 --> 00:56:08,960 Speaker 2: Next week. 1247 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,800 Speaker 3: We'll get into that more off of the weekend here 1248 00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,199 on the recap pod, and we thank you for being 1249 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,400 with us. Here is part of the Big Fight Weekend 1250 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:17,360 Preview podcast