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Speaker 2: From my perspective, though, even if they were to officially

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charge me at this point, it's not.

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Speaker 3: I like it would be real breaking news anyway. I

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think you know, in some.

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Speaker 2: Ways it would because no law enforcement person has ever

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confirmed that your right, So it was just the confirmation

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of everyone's current speculation.

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Speaker 3: These acts all second So I I don't I'm not

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interested in it from that point.

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Speaker 4: I was just interested in it from a logistic plaining.

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Speaker 3: Where do they have to fly me to Raman?

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Speaker 4: They're gonna charge me or those are some of the questions.

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Speaker 3: But not to get there is it one one we

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talked on Monday.

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Speaker 5: They just have more than Yeah, yeah, you.

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Speaker 3: Gotta take a leader anything that.

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Speaker 1: You're These are the final words that Israel Keys would

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ever utter to the FBI. On November twenty ninth of

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twenty twelve. Unbeknownst to the FBI, they would conduct their

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final interview with Keys. It would be perhaps his most

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revealing interview, but just two and a half days later,

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he'd be dead. This is true crime bullshit. The serialized

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Investigation into Israel Keys Season seven, episode two in Blood.

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In the weeks leading up to Keys's death, the FBI

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was escalating things in the interview room, and it seemed

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to be coming clear to Keys that he was running

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out of both bargaining tools and time. He'd given the

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FBI enough that they knew where and how to put

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pressure on him. Over the course of eight and a

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half months, he'd given up as little information as possible,

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presumably as a means to maintain the relationship while getting

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what he wanted. But over time those little bits of

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information had piled up. The FBI knew that Deborah Feldman

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was buried near Tupper Lake, at an S shaped curve

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in the Raquet River. In fact, one week before Keys

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died by suicide, he was supposed to guide the FBI

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from the Tupper Lake bank robbery to the area that

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Deborah's remains were, but he didn't show up. He stayed

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in a cell, but the FBI weren't rolling over anymore.

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In his final interview, they pressured him to try again

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the following week.

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Speaker 3: So talking about other crimes, you know, we.

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Speaker 4: Wanted to kind of pick up where we left off

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on some things, giving any information that you might be thinking.

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Speaker 3: About over the last few weeks right related to that.

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And I think we had some updates.

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Speaker 6: On the New York.

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Speaker 3: When do we start there? Okay? And I and also

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thought the live feed. I wanted to jump into that

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cause I know we came over on.

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Speaker 6: Today.

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Speaker 3: We had it set up. We had a couple of

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guys up in Tupper Lake to go over the bank,

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to go over the bankrupt.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, in all fairness, i'd ever set up a specific day,

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but it actually would have worked because my turney didn't

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show up till that afternoon.

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Speaker 8: Alright, well it didn't work that day, but we uh,

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we had hoped to have it set up today since

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we when we found you were was gonna work for today,

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but Albanie had some other stuff come up. But I

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have to say it was pretty cool. We tested it

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in the way that just so you have an idea

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of what it looks like and what to expect, because

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we'll try to set something up.

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Speaker 3: For next week. But we did two laptops. One of

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them was essentially like a tracker, so you had an

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over an overhead.

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Speaker 8: GPS that kind of you. And then the other one

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was alive heat actually from the camera. And then the

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plant we had speakerphone.

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Speaker 3: So then you can say you don't go right here,

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go left here.

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Speaker 8: And our plan was just to use his stop lakes

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a little more remote than.

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Speaker 3: Doing it in a city.

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Speaker 8: We wanted to use tumble Lake and just tackle the

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bankrupty because that.

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Speaker 3: Was make sure we had self reception or wherever they

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cause depending on where they where they're at, they have

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Speaker 8: Sometimes they use satellite sometimes, so we're going to use

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different types of things in order.

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Speaker 3: To bring them. Wow.

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Speaker 9: And I see it's kind of see assume some of

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these places we're gonna be cell.

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Speaker 5: Phone only to people's expectations.

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Speaker 7: All those CSI shows.

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Speaker 1: They still can't usually get put things sold in twenty minutes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah really it's an hour show.

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Speaker 2: But I'm picturing the Google Earth Car when driving around right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: We like to still do that. Yeah, and I don't.

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probably wasn't that there wasn't if there there wasn't much.

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I mean, it wasn't something typically the morning.

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Speaker 5: Works for you, right, because that's for the four hour

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time typically if we could get that, Yeah, there's kind

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of everyone and don't wanna drive three hours again, and

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maybe we could just do it and out then here.

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Speaker 3: But we thought the memory lane trip uh uh Tupper

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Lake would be more interesting maybe for both of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I spent a lot of time twoperly, I'm

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sure we even find our way over TI out.

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Speaker 3: So you think next week, yeah, I I don't have

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a specific day yet.

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Speaker 8: Well, we're kind of setting up a date next week

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and we'll do it like we did this time, early

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Speaker 3: You've had other stuff, right, try not to sick. Yeah,

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we could conflict with that so that we could get

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your guy there by mid morning either, right. Yeah, I

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didn't realize you guys haven't when all, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: On the tumper Lake thing, you had agents up there

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with the cameras, but you just wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 3: The bank robbery or were you.

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Speaker 5: Well, we what we had set up was we just

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had them at the bank robbery parking lot to show

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you the LIFEbeat that we could do.

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Speaker 3: We didn't talk about whatever you want to talk about.

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We didn't have any expectations.

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Speaker 10: But we thought the natural progression because of what we've

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been talking, would be in that general area.

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Speaker 3: So we wanted to get things moving there, right, you know.

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the parking lot and then take us to the River Bend,

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but yeah, you would be driving.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it would be like you'd been driving, because we

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thought maybe that's how it's.

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Speaker 6: Gonna have to be eventually.

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Speaker 5: Maybe is that you might have to be in the

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driver's seat so to speak, to see you know, landmarks

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or whatever you need to see.

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Speaker 1: It had been clear early on that Keys didn't want

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the FBI to know anything about Deborah Feldman, her abduction

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or what he did to her. He got cag he

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got mad, he lied whenever they asked about her, and

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now the FBI were closer than ever to finding her.

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The Tupper Lake wasn't the only area that they were

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putting pressure on Keys. In that final interview, they also

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started talking about digging up the Port Angelus cash.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 3: The other questions aren't related to any I mean one

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in New York. The song they want directly related. I

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made it take as far.

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Speaker 7: As my own gun, and some of the guns were stop.

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Speaker 4: Well, that would give us something to go on. If

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there was a cash that they'd want to treat, yeah,

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that would keep would the FBI busy?

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Speaker 3: I don't have to think about which ones I want

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to part with.

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Speaker 5: That if you thought it all still, if you thought

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the one that you wanted to give up, that maybe

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we might be able to work something out with our videos.

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Speaker 3: That's a good idea.

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Speaker 7: Well that's another issue. Is there are the other designs

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I can't find just in satellite that so yeah.

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Speaker 3: General areas. Yeah, well, if you gave them a general area,

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they could probably get some.

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Speaker 11: We we just have to have enough information to get them.

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Speaker 10: On them, you know, the tech person to encompass that area.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 1: So again, it you know, would be a cash it's

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not related to anything that you're really not giving up

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any of your cards to trade with.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the issue. They're all related to stuff.

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Speaker 6: They're just.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I just have to.

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Speaker 3: I'll have to think about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, they want to try and remember what's in yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 6: Sort of interesting for you too.

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Speaker 3: You'll get to see what's in there and you'll get

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to see him again. YEA, one of those old ship moments.

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You dig it up and I think, what's Israel? There's

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been too many?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've enough, I've had my.

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Speaker 11: Share for the year.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is just the way.

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Speaker 3: What about a cash that they can work on for

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next week? Well, the easiest it would be Washington, So

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Speaker 6: Don't my way.

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Speaker 2: Around there a little better, but I have.

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Speaker 3: I'll try to remember what's in it? Do you want

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him to lie? Do you want him to line it up?

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Speaker 5: That's the thing.

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Speaker 6: It can't be.

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Speaker 3: You can't make the decision that day because they won't

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have time to Yeah, they won't have time to line

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it up. You think what I'm going to life?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but do you think about it.

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Speaker 6: Over the weekend or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if there's anything you want like it, give

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me like an hour on the internet, maybe.

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Speaker 6: A far before we do this. An hour.

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Speaker 2: You didn't do a little, I've met, I've I've been

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in Poe blackout for two longs.

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, you can think about that

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and if it's anything.

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Speaker 2: You want short term in terms of I was joking,

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I wouldn't do that anymore.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not talking about the Internet. I'm talking about like,

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if you want some sort of right, I'm gonna do this,

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but you wouldn't do that on the internet. If a

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computer around here are just gonna go right and seem

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everywhere I.

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Speaker 6: Went, I would, uh.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, anything you know to kind of

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that's finny short term goals you have, even if it's

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just food or coffee, you know whatever.

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Speaker 3: Obviously a coffee anyway.

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Speaker 1: But you know, again, it's sort of a situation where

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I think you're not giving up anything.

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Speaker 3: Give it us help when when we need to persuade.

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You know, no, I can see her. I see your

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point of view. I do on this, but at the

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same time I have my own frustrations right now as well.

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So but even like this is productive, this will be

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be just productive, you know.

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Speaker 8: What I mean.

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Speaker 2: You said you came over and we got stuff, and

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it's only productive from a non prosecuting attorney, Well, it

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already got me down enough stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's okay, get any time.

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Speaker 6: To work with you.

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Speaker 4: I am from my perspective, you know, is Reel said

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he's gonna do a lot of things on a short

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time frame and we've been sitting here, Yeah, the months.

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Speaker 3: Away, And believe me, I'm aware of the months.

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Speaker 2: I'm just having a new appreciation for things being done

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Speaker 10: That's all.

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Speaker 3: So let me just make sure I clear out the cash.

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Do you have a general area now that you can

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give us or do you wanna think about it? Washington R.

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Speaker 11: But I mean.

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Speaker 8: We have a we have offices in a bunch of places,

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so we have to figure out which office we're one

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and what is there anything close.

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Speaker 2: To the abbay or well yeah, yeah, not near any abbey,

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but in there that area.

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Speaker 4: Okay, outside of Seattle, between Settle and the right.

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Speaker 3: Have you already met those agents? Okay? So do you

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want me to try to set that up for next week?

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I don't know. I'm obviously not gonna know what day somewhere. Yeah,

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I don't don't set up a time yet.

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Speaker 10: I gotta try.

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Speaker 3: And remember, once you get the computer, you can look

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right now.

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Speaker 1: If you want.

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Speaker 3: Google, you can look at Google right now. I'm trying

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to remember what's in it he has. That's probably not

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gonna be now.

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Speaker 2: Would you find it together?

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Speaker 3: We'll just open it up and work out upon his

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bass it's not that impressive. There was more concerned about

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Speaker 10: All right, it's December thirteenth, twenty twelve. It's about seventeen

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sixteen hours. Let's get a partlet and seal Lorne Jacobson.

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Speaker 1: Following Keys's suicide, an investigation was conducted by the Alaska

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Bureau of Investigation and Department of Public Safety officer Scott

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Bartlett find out how exactly Keys was able to slit

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his wrists, write multiple messages in his own blood on

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his cell walls, strangle himself, and slowly bleed out without

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anyone in the prison noticing. And their primary focus was

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on Lorne Jacobson, the corrections officer on patrol during those

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early morning hours of December twod won't you.

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Speaker 11: Tell me about your checks?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 6: How do you do checks approxibally every thirty minutes?

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Speaker 11: Are you like?

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Speaker 10: Are you like is there a mandat or is there

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a rule that says you need to do it every

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thirty minutes or every half hour or twice an hour.

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Speaker 6: That's like twice an hour.

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Speaker 9: Yea, yeah, about every thirty minutes to give her, you know,

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depending on They don't want you to do it exactly

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on the minute if you just you know, cause people

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can key in on it.

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Speaker 6: But I mean a lot of times it uh, if

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you don't get some kind of rhythm going, then it's

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easy to well yeah, yeah, it all.

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Speaker 9: Well, now I didn't want to do it at thirty minutes,

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and now the phone ring and something happens, and you

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go long any way, I guess I I try and

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do it at thirty minutes, but I mean, things do happen,

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So yeah, okay, how many checks do you think you

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made that night? Let's see, I would imagine around twenty

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something checks because uh, you know, the I get broke out,

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they do checks then, so I guess there's like twenty.

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Speaker 6: Four checks in an hour or in a shift. Okay,

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two times twelve twenty four or so.

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Speaker 11: So the first few checks he was probably still up

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and about.

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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, yeah, because I had him out uh for

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law library somewhere around nineteen hundred dollars to somewhere around

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twenty one hundred dollars in.

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Speaker 6: There, so he was.

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Speaker 9: Basically changed A A A desk or a bench that

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pulled it to the floorway he uh was his computer

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thing at the.

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Speaker 11: Of the public defenders. Yeah, okay, after.

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Speaker 10: Uh you said I lights howt he went into his

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bed and covered up. At any point after that during

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your check? Did you notice a movie at all?

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Speaker 11: Anything?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 9: Not that I recall that he he was kind of

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one of those guys that didn't move around. I mean

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the other nights he didn't. You know, some guys are

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up the out the window, but he kind of.

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Speaker 11: Stayed pretty still, I.

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Speaker 6: Guess for a better word. Most of the you know,

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the other nights, you know, it all looked about normal.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, okay. When you do a check, do you look

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in every cell every single time?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: You do?

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Speaker 11: Okay, And what are you looking for when you're look

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in the cell?

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Speaker 9: I'm looking to see that you know, basically since its

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lights out, that they're in the bunk. But there's somebody

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in the bunk and you know that they're there.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 11: Did you notice anything out of place?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 9: You know, that's one of the you know, things that

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you know, I've thought back about. It was like I

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never noticed anything different.

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Speaker 1: Bartlett interviewed Jacobsen for close to three hours, and it

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is one of the most infuriating interviews I've ever listened to,

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and I've listened to more than forty hours of Keys

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being interviewed by Russo Feldus and Bell.

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Speaker 10: And I want you to understand that I'm not here

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on behalf of doc or anything like that. I don't

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know what they're doing, but I don't know the reasons

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you're on administrative leave.

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Speaker 11: I have no idea.

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Speaker 10: I haven't spoken to them about that, so I'm just

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here for my case. But I mean, I think it's

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I looked at the video and you walk by it

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several times, and I was able to see into the cell,

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and I was able to see a pool of blood.

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And if I can see that from a video across

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the mod that's up in the ceiling or up on

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the wall, up on the wall, I kind of find

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it hard to imagine that you wouldn't be able to

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see the pool of blood when you walked right by

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the cell. And I think you walked by it after

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I was able to see it. You walked by it

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at least eight times. Mkay aw we least I would say, I.

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Speaker 6: Don't know, you know, And I I've thought about that too,

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And I know that.

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Speaker 9: Like some of the cells are missing, paint off the floor,

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so like there's patches of floors. And I honestly I

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never saw the blood. I mean, I don't really look

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at the floor when I'm looking in there.

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Speaker 6: I know he's on the bunk, so you know, you go, Okay,

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he's on the box, Yeah, there he is.

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Speaker 11: And I I guess I think I could look in

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that general area.

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Speaker 10: You would probably have to see the blood though, cause

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there it's a dark reddish blood and then you've got

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the white blue floor or gray floor whatever it is.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it would stand out.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure.

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Speaker 9: I I I thought about that a million times, and

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I did not see it. Well, the only thing I

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can say is I I don't I don't know if

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it happened when you know, I don't know when it happened.

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I I don't know if the other guy that broke

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me out he could or if it happened during before

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or after that.

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Speaker 6: I asked the the day shift officer who found it,

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I said, did you see the pool of blood? He said,

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I didn't see anything until we turned the lights on.

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Speaker 11: Well, he didn't do any checks until they turned the

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lights on.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, but like you're saying, you could see it

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from the camera, but it I mean.

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Speaker 11: Was it from the camera in the dark, you know?

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Speaker 10: And I can see you walking by it, and I

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can see you looking into the cell and it looks

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like your head's like looking right at it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm I'm looking right at him. I guess it's

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my only thing I can say. I'm not looking at

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a pool of blood and going to ah, I don't

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see that, And I mean I'm not that way. I mean,

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I mean, I don't operate that way.

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Speaker 10: Is there any reason that Seal Smart would tell me

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that you told him you saw a pool of something there?

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Speaker 6: No, and that.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't necessarily say it was a pool of blood,

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but you said that there was a pool of something,

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and I didn't think it was a big deal or

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something to that effect.

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Speaker 9: The only thing that I ever talked to him about

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is Missus Miller showed me a picture of it, and

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I said that I could see the blood on the floor,

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and I said, you know, it didn't in the picture

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to me, it didn't look like flood.

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Speaker 10: And I sat and watched it like slow motion, and

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you can just see the thing getting bigger and bigger

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and bigger and bigger. I mean, if I can, if

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I'm able to see that from the video, from that crappy.

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Speaker 11: Video, that's not a good video.

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Speaker 6: Imagine that that video is horrible.

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Speaker 10: It was grainy, that's a poor video, it is, And

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I'm able to see that with that poor video with

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the dark and everything, and it's huge.

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Speaker 11: The blood stains like this big.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what to say it.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I want to cut in here to say that I

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have photos of keys A's cell and there is a

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significant amount of blood, blood all over the walls, all

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over his bed, all over the floor. In the specific

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area that Bartlett keeps bringing up is where prior to dying,

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Key seemed to be hanging over the side of his

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bed for a prolonged period of time, where he was

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bleeding into a puddle on the floor, which grew larger

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and larger over time and eventually began to stream and

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pool near the cell door, directly where the co O

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is meant to be walking past. Throughout the interview, co

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O Jacobsen says he generally only did a head check

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at night, where he'd checked to see if a prisoner's

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head could be seen in their bed, So giving him

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the benefit of the doubt, maybe he was so focused

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on these head checks that he completely missed the blood

481
00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:45,839
all over the floor. However, inches directly above where Keys's

482
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,240
head was in his bed was Karakol written in large

483
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:54,720
block lettering in his blood, and that's overlooking significant other

484
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,680
artwork Keys had done in his cell prior to dying.

485
00:25:58,759 --> 00:26:01,960
But it seems unlikely that anyone would miss both the

486
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,720
blood on the floor and the blood directly above Keys's

487
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:10,480
head on the cell wall. So Bartlett made the obvious assumption.

488
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 9: Because if there was blood on the floor, I was

489
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,000
called for rovers, I would think he would n she

490
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,759
just didn't care about this guy, was No, he's not.

491
00:26:25,839 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 11: I mean he's someone that I can understand people not

492
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:28,160
caring for.

493
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 10: Well, this guy's crazy and you know, and and he's

494
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,039
you know, he's probably where he should be, and he

495
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,160
did horrible things to a ton of people.

496
00:26:39,559 --> 00:26:41,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, what they've come out with after the

497
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,759
fact is like wow, you know, I mean what I've

498
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:44,559
seen on the news and.

499
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,039
Speaker 11: Think there's more people and this guy is an evil,

500
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:48,039
evil person.

501
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,039
Speaker 9: But you know, my job is to predict everybody and

502
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,160
whether no matter what they've done right, wrong and different.

503
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,920
I look after everybody to say I'm not vindictive. I

504
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,039
I I never had any pro special problems with him.

505
00:27:08,079 --> 00:27:11,119
I mean, I mean some inmates are problem inmates. They

506
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:12,960
push your buttons, you know what I mean when they're

507
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:14,880
they're trying to get a response. I mean, he never

508
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,119
did any of that stuff. Like say, he asked me

509
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680
to go to law library. I accommodated him. I put

510
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:20,119
him out.

511
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 11: I you know, I I okay, Well, I think you

512
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:25,599
saw it.

513
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:27,799
Speaker 10: I think I don't know if you thought it was blood,

514
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:30,000
you may have thought of this is I'm just I'm

515
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,839
just telling you what I think, okay, cause I don't

516
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,519
know how someone could miss that. It's humongous. I mean

517
00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:37,839
I went to the scene. I I I worked the scene.

518
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:42,680
I documented it. That's a huge blood stain. Huge, I

519
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,039
mean just a patternal alone is like a foot and

520
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:45,880
a half in diameter.

521
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 11: It's huge.

522
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,079
Speaker 10: And then you got the big blood flow coming off

523
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,599
of it, the big book uh blood flow pattern that's

524
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,880
probably three feet long. It's not more, actually so, and

525
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:05,079
it's it's it's not like it's blood onlike a cherry

526
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,319
wood floor. It's blood on like a really light blue

527
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,440
or gray or whatever it is forlor. I mean, they

528
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,720
contrast so much, and there's nothing else in that cell

529
00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:20,400
that's that dark other than the blanket. But it's away

530
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920
from the blanket. Well yeah, yeah, it's on the floor.

531
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:25,559
And I don't know how a person could, a reasonable person,

532
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,480
especially someone whose job is to look into cells and

533
00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:31,079
make sure that nothing's weird in there, could miss that.

534
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,799
I can't understand missing it once, maybe missing it twice,

535
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,680
maybe three four, I don't know how you could miss

536
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,680
it eight nine, whatever times it was. I can go

537
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,480
back and I got them all logged in, but I

538
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,200
didn't put a number. But there's several times you walk

539
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:49,519
by there and looked and when I can first see

540
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:53,160
the blood stain within a minute after the bloodstain pulls

541
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,359
and it gets like towards.

542
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,119
Speaker 11: The end where it stops.

543
00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 10: A minute later, you walk by and you look right

544
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,119
in there, and it looks like your head doesn't just

545
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
go like this, It goes down and you see it,

546
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:05,799
and then your head whips back and keep on going.

547
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,880
And then for some reason, you don't do another check

548
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:14,880
for like an hour and like fifteen minutes, and you're

549
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,559
supposed to do checks every hour or every twice an hour,

550
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,079
and you almost went you basically almost.

551
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 11: You basically skipped two checks.

552
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,319
Speaker 10: So I mean, these are things that are you know,

553
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:27,960
when I went back to look at this video, I'm like,

554
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:29,400
that's not right, that's not right.

555
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,359
Speaker 11: This isn't adding up.

556
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 10: And then that check that you go after you miss

557
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,359
this other two When you walk by it, you cover

558
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:42,519
your face, Yeah, you put or you put your hand

559
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,400
to your face. I don't know if you're covering it,

560
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:47,440
but you put your hand to your face as you're walking,

561
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,359
like as soon as you get to it, you put

562
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960
your hand up. As you walk past, your hand drops,

563
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,319
and you don't do that any other time in the video.

564
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,920
So I think that might be a subconscious thing that

565
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,720
your mind's doing because as you don't want to see

566
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,200
that there, I think you think you saw something and

567
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,640
then you're basically trying not to see it because you

568
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,839
don't want it to be blood because I don't know

569
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,079
if because you know it is dark, I don't know.

570
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 11: Looks like a pool. It could be a pool of

571
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,400
whatever he could have threw up. I don't know, right,

572
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:24,599
But it's not just that I talked to other people.

573
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 10: And I was told that a couple of days later,

574
00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:39,759
at like three o'clock when Smart was leaving, when after

575
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,240
he broke you out or whatever.

576
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:47,759
Speaker 11: As he's leaving, you guys converse right there at the door,

577
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:48,839
and you say.

578
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 6: Hey, I.

579
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,599
Speaker 11: I saw a pool of something.

580
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 6: I didn't know what it was.

581
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,319
Speaker 11: I didn't you know, I just saw a pool of something.

582
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,480
I didn't think it was a big deal. And that's

583
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:01,880
what it is.

584
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:07,799
Speaker 10: Well, I've got people telling me this, and it kind

585
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:09,319
of lines up with everything else that I see on

586
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:11,359
the video, and it's kind of hard for me to

587
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,519
ignore what I see.

588
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: Here's what was found in Keys's cell the morning that

589
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,799
corrections officers discovered that he was dead. Keys was laying

590
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,480
face down in his lower bunk bed, a concrete slab

591
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,000
with a mattress pad on it. He was completely covered

592
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:43,319
by bedding which were almost entirely saturated with blood. It

593
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,319
used a bed sheet to tie a ligature around his neck.

594
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:50,960
His hand was slightly outstretched, covered in blood, next to

595
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:54,279
two coffee cups and three milk cartons, which had all

596
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,240
been filled with blood. Directly above the mugs and cartons

597
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,640
on the wall, Keys had had and written karakol in

598
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,559
about three inch block lettering adjacent to that. On the

599
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,440
concrete divider which connected his bed to his desk, Keys

600
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,000
had written in four lines of three inch lettering, if

601
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:16,799
only the blood was mine, I would spill it. But

602
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,440
that's not all that Keys wrote.

603
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 6: On the walls.

604
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: To the left of Karakol, Keys had written several other

605
00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:28,319
things before trying to wipe them away. You can even

606
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,200
see blood smears where he had clearly been leaning against

607
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,200
the wall to write. There are multiple writings which are

608
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,359
smeared in and by blood. The most legible is the

609
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,720
number five, which appears to be followed by the number

610
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:51,319
four as in fifty four as in so let me

611
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,720
understand this. Few were found out to be one of

612
00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:57,559
our famous American serial killers who had killed say fifty people,

613
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:01,920
something Keys wrote using the screen name is It, just

614
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,559
months before he was arrested while arguing in the comments

615
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:10,559
section of an Al Jazeera article. On another section of

616
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:14,279
the wall, there's crude drawings. Next to them. You can

617
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:19,240
see what is very likely the word fuck if I'm

618
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,400
being honest. For the most part, it's basically a roarshak.

619
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,160
For now you can see whatever it is you're looking for.

620
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,279
The only crystal clear words are the ones you already know,

621
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:37,640
and the number five maybe the number fifty four. But

622
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,240
since receiving these, the FBI has had them enhanced. An

623
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,759
agent Paula told Joshua from somewhere in the pines that

624
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,200
we'd be very excited with what they found, and yes,

625
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,039
we've already put in a foya for these newly enhanced images.

626
00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,680
Below Keys's body was a suicide letter the nonsense stream

627
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,680
of consciousness scribblings you've heard a couple times before, crumpled

628
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:09,000
up and completely soaked in blood, so much so that

629
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,159
it's amazing that they were able to transcribe ninety eight

630
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:17,480
percent of it. Keys had used miscellaneous paperwork to cover

631
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,599
the drain in his cell, presumably so the blood would pull.

632
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,519
His murder weapon a makeshift knife made out of a

633
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,239
razor blade, attached to a small pencil and then extended

634
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,800
with a rolled up card. The card was from Kimberly.

635
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:41,440
It read, I thought you would like a card from

636
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,840
the Pugs letter from the human to follow soon x

637
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:51,840
x x x Kimberly. In the trash can was a

638
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,599
printed out picture of Sarah kissing Keys on the cheek.

639
00:34:56,119 --> 00:35:03,840
It had blood stains all along the edges. Keyes's causes

640
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,280
of death were deemed to be a combination of blood

641
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,280
loss from the cut to his wrist, strangulation from the

642
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,079
ligature made out of bed sheets, and asphyxiation from being

643
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:16,760
faced down in the pillow. According to an interview with

644
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,960
another corrections officer, CO O. Nelson Robinson, he had allowed

645
00:35:21,199 --> 00:35:23,800
Keys to have a razor on his last shift day

646
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,360
prior to the suicide, which he thought was either November

647
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,199
twenty seventh or twenty eight, so before Keys's final FBI interview,

648
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,280
and although Keys had been on suicide prevention for quite

649
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,119
some time. Robinson says that he was told that Keys

650
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:44,440
had been taken off suicide watch, which meant Keys could

651
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,880
now access both pencils and razors, but Robinson swears that

652
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,320
he made Keys check the razor blade back in after shaving.

653
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,800
He doesn't believe that the razor he allowed Keys to

654
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,960
use was the razor that Keys used to kill himself.

655
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,039
Other than co Jacobson receiving administrative leave, it's unclear whether

656
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:25,760
he or Robinson were ever penalized. The night before Keys

657
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,079
died by suicide, he had been using what's referred to

658
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,079
as the Law Library, a room in the prison where keys,

659
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:36,280
was chained to the floor and could use a laptop

660
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,719
provided to him by his public defender for discovery purposes.

661
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,159
According to interviews, Keyes's time in that law library wasn't

662
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,920
generally monitored. The laptop wasn't monitored at all, as it

663
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:56,559
was considered privileged material. What this means for us is

664
00:36:56,599 --> 00:37:01,280
that Keyes had internet access while in prison. You could

665
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:06,239
read news about himself for his cases, and presumably continue

666
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,360
commenting on stories, message boards, and blogs.

667
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 12: Instead of going directly into to the crime that you're

668
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,119
accused of and things like that, If you could just

669
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:22,840
visit with myself and my lieutenant and so we can

670
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,239
learn more about you from your perspective, I appreciate it.

671
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:29,039
Speaker 6: Can't do nothing.

672
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:33,559
Speaker 11: Where you want me to start, wherever you want to.

673
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,079
Speaker 3: Just just communicate here, let's just talk.

674
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 6: They got coffee and you've got time, and I got time.

675
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: You got time.

676
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,559
Speaker 11: I'm good, I'm good.

677
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,599
Speaker 6: We'll be here as long as you want us here.

678
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:47,800
But we want to know who you are.

679
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: You've already read a lot about me.

680
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 12: Well, I've read what I've read what other people have

681
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:58,079
written about you, and I've read blogs, and I've looked

682
00:37:58,119 --> 00:37:58,760
on the internet.

683
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,039
Speaker 6: But I haven't heard from your.

684
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Question story about what's on the internet.

685
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 6: This is a pretty big deal.

686
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 3: What so my name's out there now attached to this?

687
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 12: Yeah, Anchorage did a pressure release who went Anchorage PD

688
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:16,480
a couple of days ago.

689
00:38:26,559 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: When Keys was first arrested, he was terrified at the

690
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,440
idea that people would know who he was and what

691
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,840
he did. That clip from a March seventeenth interview is

692
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,920
the most emotive I've ever heard him. And just hours

693
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,599
before he ended his own life, he was essentially googling himself,

694
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:49,280
reading stories about himself, looking up the progress in his case.

695
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,159
He had nothing left to gain and nothing left to lose.

696
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,639
The world knew who he was or was about to.

697
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
He had given enough and so there was nothing else

698
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:06,159
that he was willing to give. Fortunately, the FBI found more.

699
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,440
We found more. We all continue to find more. And

700
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:13,519
that's just what Halla gave me during our interview last year.

701
00:39:14,199 --> 00:39:17,440
One more bit of information to send us out into

702
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:17,880
the world.

703
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 13: There's a it's a private residence, but it's near Little Oklahoma,

704
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,960
which I never heard about until this particular time. But

705
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:28,039
it's an area in Port Angels so you can find

706
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:29,800
it on the map to kind of get an overview

707
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,920
of like, Okay, it's this area. You can't reveal the

708
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,519
address or anything like that, but some of the cold

709
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,400
case detectives were following up on some leads and stuff

710
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:43,920
and found this particular residence. It was associated with a

711
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:48,039
friend of keys and so and so we've been invited

712
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:49,639
to go out and take a look at the area

713
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,800
in the future and just check it out for whatever

714
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,639
may becomes significant from that. But that was something new

715
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,360
that we learned from this cold case that's been working

716
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:58,639
on this.

717
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: Thousands of gussing day walking from my hometown square, thousands

718
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:18,599
of faces you touched, the thousands you're lost in the fire.

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Speaker 1: Not knocking at all of the house within a gross.

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Speaker 3: Gold rally here and you were at.

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Speaker 9: School cum home.

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Speaker 3: That is then.

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Speaker 2: Thousands of person in the dark, mad lasting and a

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strange number.

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Speaker 1: Hole lights on lostbole about what.

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Speaker 3: They lost that they know that whisper.

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Speaker 1: This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by me

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Josh Hallmark, with additional research by Jordan Taylor and research

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assistants by Shana Wlensky and Michelle Tooker. This episode featured

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FBI special Agent Ted Holla, and it was made possible

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by the following Patreon producers, Amy Basel, Kendall, See, Heather Horton, Wheedon,

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so hab tats You right, that's.

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Speaker 10: All you hab Tat's all so time.

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Speaker 3: Hatats about your dad ad? You know, hat tats all

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sni outside.

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Speaker 4: So you have.

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Speaker 3: Thousands of ghosts.

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Speaker 9: In the day, Like.

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Speaker 6: One day we all disappear.

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Speaker 3: We'll walk till we get to the harbor.

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Speaker 6: They'll never know we were here.

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Speaker 10: Yeah,