WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.839 I noticed a movement, something stepped out and my mind 2 00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:07.400 was blown. I mean, I didn't know where to put this. 3 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:11.599 You know, it looked looked like an animal, but it 4 00:00:11.640 --> 00:00:14.320 looked like a human. It was big enough that the 5 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:17.440 proportions it didn't look right. But there was nothing in 6 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:19.920 between us. It was it was. It was wide open 7 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:23.280 in between us, and this thing looked at me, almost 8 00:00:23.359 --> 00:00:25.719 almost like acknowledgement, like I know you're there. You know 9 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:29.359 it didn't it didn't, it didn't run. That's where it started. 10 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:06.280 This is, of course, the Bigfoot Crossroads podcast. My name 11 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:09.840 is Matt and joining me is Roger of the Squatching 12 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.840 Holler podcast. But first, if you could do me a 13 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:18.760 favor and like, subscribe, follow, leave a five star rating, 14 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.799 leave a comment wherever you're listening to the podcast, I 15 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:25.040 would greatly appreciate it, And don't forget to share this 16 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:28.439 episode with anybody you think that might enjoy it. Now 17 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.920 that that's out of the way, first off, thanks for 18 00:01:32.319 --> 00:01:34.200 coming on the show. I appreciate it. 19 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:35.200 I'm glad to have you here. 20 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:39.439 Finally, have you always had an interest in Bigfoot or 21 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.319 what got you into all of this? 22 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:48.400 No, I was just a country kid that lives, you know, 23 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:53.560 didn't have any close neighbors, and my dad started I 24 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.840 think he started teaching me how to hunt when I 25 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:58.680 was around six or seven, or I'd go with him. 26 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:02.640 And then, you know, back in the seventies, I didn't 27 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.640 realize it, but we were hunting and fishing and growing 28 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.280 gardens because we had to, and I, you know, I 29 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:12.680 just thought it was fun. And he taught me a lot. 30 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.560 My uncles, you know, they they would hunt Jensen and 31 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.080 I'd go with them, and you learn a lot about 32 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.039 the woods, and I know there's a lot I need 33 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.680 to learn, but I had no idea. I you know, 34 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.639 I had my little, uh, single single shot twenty gauge, 35 00:02:27.719 --> 00:02:30.560 and I thought I was boss of the woods. And 36 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:34.680 you know, I would I would ramble around by myself. 37 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.919 And one day when I was fourteen, I didn't have 38 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:42.719 anything to do, and I just walked outside. It was 39 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.719 early early nineteen eighty five, the best best I can remember. 40 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:49.879 There wasn't any leaves on the trees, so it was 41 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.759 like January and February. But the green field across the road, 42 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.919 we had an access road to a cemetery up on 43 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:00.199 the hill that was part of our driveway. Really and 44 00:03:00.240 --> 00:03:02.000 I just stepped out there, you know, to see if 45 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:06.039 I see any squirrels, deer birds, whatever, just you know, 46 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:11.759 you know, board and I was just about to leave, 47 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.639 and there was about one hundred and seventy yards or so. 48 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:19.199 There was a there was a bend in the old 49 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.879 dry creek bed and it made a little bend in 50 00:03:21.960 --> 00:03:24.680 the field and I hunted on the other side of 51 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:32.919 that and I noticed some movement and something stepped out. 52 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:36.240 And I had seen my dad up there, you know, 53 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:42.840 hundreds of times probably, and it was it was the 54 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.719 color of the best I can explain it to people. 55 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:48.439 It was the color of like a milk chocolate bar. 56 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:53.599 And it was head to toe. It was proportions. It 57 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:57.039 wasn't like a human. It was we measured later with 58 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:01.719 a limb, guesstimating and measuring, you know, seven seven that foot. 59 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.919 And my mind was blown. I mean, this thing turned 60 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.719 at the at the waist and shoulders dipped and looked 61 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:13.360 at me and I almost ran. I don't know why 62 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:20.199 I didn't. My mind was just scrambled. And of course 63 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.480 I heard a big foot and maybe you know, I don't, 64 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.560 you know, I don't know how I heard about it. 65 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.439 But you know, just like when you're a kid back 66 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:36.480 then Godzilla was in Japan on the TV and you're like, oh, 67 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:38.240 you know what I mean, Well, he can't swim this 68 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:42.680 part surely Well if I even had heard of it, 69 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.399 it was out west, you know, And that's one of 70 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:50.959 those stories that you don't I mean, I don't know 71 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:54.040 if I necessarily believed it, but I've always had open mind. 72 00:04:55.160 --> 00:05:00.319 And when this thing stepped out, people ask what was 73 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.720 your action? It was so many different things, you know, scared, 74 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:09.759 should have run, curious, just a mind scramble, and it's 75 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:16.439 hard to explain. But I did stay, and just I 76 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:19.759 was like thirty yards or so from our side door, 77 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.199 so I felt safe. I didn't realize how fast these 78 00:05:23.279 --> 00:05:30.839 things were and the hill that it eventually walked up. 79 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:32.879 I'd walked up it many times, and I hated it 80 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:36.720 because it was intertwined Johnson grass and the guy was 81 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:41.040 almost ninety. He didn't bushog it every year, excuse me. 82 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.879 And I knew how I walked up it and how 83 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:50.639 long it took, and how clumsy that grass made you 84 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.519 trying to step over it and your feet going out 85 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:54.800 to the side and you're leaning. This thing went up 86 00:05:55.319 --> 00:06:01.040 up through there and seconds ten fifteen seconds ffortlessly stepping 87 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.959 over the grass, kind of like a walking horse. A 88 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:06.920 little bit is the only thing I can compare it to. 89 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.879 So this this lasted my best estimation in about thirty seconds. 90 00:06:11.959 --> 00:06:15.959 And after it was over with, I was numb and 91 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.920 just went into the house and didn't tell my sister. 92 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:21.920 I didn't want to scare her. And I'm rethinking all this. 93 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:25.319 Going into the woods at night time, you know, we 94 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.519 you know, we used to run. I mean, we stayed 95 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:29.680 on the creek banks at night. You know, as kids, 96 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.560 we built a fire. That's just what we did. And 97 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:38.600 it changed me. That changed me, and I didn't realize 98 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.800 it until years later when people would ask me about it. 99 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:45.920 And if there's little things like I used to like 100 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.839 to sleep up against the wall in our house. It 101 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.759 was a lot cooler there. There's a vent or something, 102 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.720 you know, in my slide the bed up to it. 103 00:06:54.120 --> 00:06:55.759 I started sleeping in the middle of the bed. I 104 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.519 know that sounds crazy, but being a kid, your mind was, 105 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:04.279 you know, teenager. I quit going in as early, you know, 106 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:07.759 hour before daylight, coming out after dark. I had the freedom. 107 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.600 I've come back so late. Sometimes my dad was like, 108 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:12.639 you know, I'm about to send the search party out 109 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:17.720 for you. Well that's all that stopped. So and I 110 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:20.720 became mostly a field hunter. I would go in the 111 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.839 woods with other people, but you're always it's always in 112 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:27.800 the back of your mind, you know. And I the 113 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:32.839 only thing I could compare it to was Bigfoot because 114 00:07:32.839 --> 00:07:35.560 then once that happened, Yes, I started looking in the 115 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.680 school library or you know, and there wasn't much out 116 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:44.560 there at that time. And we're talking like nineteen eighty five, yeah, 117 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:48.439 and and there, you know, we didn't have YouTube, and 118 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.079 we didn't we didn't have all the you know, the 119 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:54.560 people Now if somebody has encountered today, I know, I 120 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:56.920 know people react to it different, but there's so much 121 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.160 out there, and there's so much information people that all 122 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:02.199 shared back in the day that didn't happen, because there 123 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:06.639 was things that happened around here that I heard, and 124 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:09.480 I saw how the old men reacted and laughed and 125 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.399 shamed and uh. There was a newspaper report from Koaleoka, 126 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:17.519 Tennessee in the late seventies, and that guy is still alive. 127 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:21.519 I want to talk to him about it. I looked 128 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:24.399 for years for that article again, and my wife met 129 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:30.920 his granddaughter. But he you know, he stood by his story, 130 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.720 and but they all laughed at him. And you know, 131 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.320 that's that's why people kept quiet. You know here in 132 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.039 the you know, southern Middle Tennessee. Always jokingly say in 133 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:44.919 the buckle of the Bible belt, h I don't care 134 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:49.080 what kind of weird stuff you encountered or happened. People 135 00:08:49.159 --> 00:08:54.559 just didn't just didn't broadcast it, you know. And and 136 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:58.960 I've had since since I started doing what I'm doing now, 137 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.639 I've had so many private phone calls from people with 138 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:06.480 that can't talk about it because of their jobs. And 139 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.080 you kind of put mental pens on a map and 140 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:12.440 you're like, oh my god, this you know, two miles 141 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.879 from my house. This is five miles, this is you know, 142 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.919 these same ridges and creeks, and you know, the normal 143 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:23.559 stuff that we've come to find is they have in 144 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:27.759 common with the power line cuts, the train tracks and 145 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.759 all that. And you know, then I'm I met a 146 00:09:30.759 --> 00:09:34.639 guy early on in my life. He was a Tennessee, 147 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.639 He was a Tennessee game warden, and he had had 148 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.240 some things happened. He had talked to people and he 149 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.559 had opened mind and we did talk about it some 150 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:48.360 but not as much as we do now. So it's no, 151 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.840 that's a long answer, but no, I I never I 152 00:09:52.879 --> 00:09:57.000 didn't even like scary movies. I was. I was terrified Jaws, 153 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.960 you know, anything that was scary. Salem was a lot. 154 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.639 I wouldn't be in the same room with it. And 155 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.120 I didn't know where to put this. You know, it 156 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.720 looked looked like an animal, but it looked like a 157 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:15.120 human and it was it was big enough that the proportions, 158 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:21.080 you know, the only way my teenage mind, it didn't 159 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.759 look right. I couldn't, you know, I didn't see the phase. 160 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:26.440 It was too far. But there was nothing in between us. 161 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.080 It was it was, it was wide open in between us. 162 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:33.840 And this thing looked at me as almost like acknowledgement, 163 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.159 like I know you're there. You know. It didn't it didn't, 164 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.879 it didn't run. Of course. I didn't have a you know, 165 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.679 a weapon with me or anything like that. And it 166 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:48.039 that's where it started, and I went, Matt. I went 167 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:55.320 thirty five years before anything else happened, and that was 168 00:10:55.360 --> 00:11:00.000 in twenty twenty with my son and we actually found 169 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:03.519 the tree break. I've been watching some YouTube stuff and 170 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.440 we walked, we we weren't looking for this stuff. We walked. 171 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.320 We found a new place to hunt in the south 172 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:13.039 end of the county, really rough place. No, that's nobody 173 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:14.559 will hunt it because you can't go back in with 174 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:16.679 four wheelers. You can't lazy man hunt it. You know, 175 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:20.759 got the thorns and it's grown up. But a good 176 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:25.200 place to hunt. So we were scouting and we weren't talking. 177 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.960 It was two weeks before, approximately before deer season. And 178 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:32.600 in fact we found this tree break, this little hardwood 179 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:34.559 that was five five and a half foot. It was 180 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.360 broke a high pressure break. There's nothing there, There are 181 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:44.559 no trees, there's no falling on it. There, there was 182 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:48.840 no wind damage to other trees, and there were no 183 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.480 scuff marks. And we looked, you know, in the case 184 00:11:51.519 --> 00:11:53.720 of tractor or something, you know, some piece of equipment 185 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.960 did it. And we're not talking. We're just looking at 186 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:01.000 each other like and I'm thinking, is this one of 187 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:05.600 those marker things? Possibly of one of those things? You know, 188 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:11.200 I'm not vocalizing that, And all of a sudden, without speaking, 189 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:17.399 my phone was in my front pocket and the voice 190 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.559 on my phone said, I'm sorry, I don't quite understand 191 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.559 what And I looked down and yes, and I grabbed 192 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.559 my phone because you're you're not hunting, but you're in 193 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:32.039 hunting mode, you know, you're checking the place out. So 194 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:34.919 the first thing I grab it. Well, as I'm grabbing 195 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.120 the phone and pulling out of my pocket, there was 196 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:40.480 a rock about double fist size, came out of a 197 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:44.600 cedar bush up the rise from us. Came out like 198 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:47.679 something lobbed it, and it hit another rock and bounced 199 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.879 and rolled a little bit, and I'm like, oh crap, 200 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.799 because immediately I know, whatever did that have thumbs? Yeah, 201 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.480 it's and it's bigger than a raccoon. And there's nobody there. 202 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:07.639 So we My son, he's real dry, he's dry humor. 203 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:12.039 He's like, he said, are we just going to ignore 204 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:13.879 the fact we had a rock thrown at us? I said, no, 205 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:16.320 I'm trying to think of the best next move. 206 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.000 You know, I just don't know what to do now. 207 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:23.200 Yeah, like we're in a tight spot, boys, you know, 208 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:26.759 but so you know, and I make light of it, 209 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.279 but it was it was an old brown shorts moment, 210 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.919 and so I said, look, I think we need to 211 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:36.519 face whatever it is and back down slowly so we 212 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:41.279 don't trigger a response. We we got to the truck 213 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:43.519 and talked about it. I'm like, what in the world 214 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:49.000 was that? And I had told him about what happened 215 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.799 to me back in the day and how this came 216 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:56.399 up was funny because I was cooking like lunch or 217 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.639 something and he was in the living room. I had 218 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:02.759 no idea there were a bigfootshells YouTube shows stuff like that, 219 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.879 and I heard this noise in the living room. He 220 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.919 was watching one of the bigfoot shows, uh that was 221 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.679 on that were on TV. And I heard this this 222 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.440 the scream, which I come we all know is the 223 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.679 how how Now I come around the corner. I'm like, 224 00:14:19.720 --> 00:14:21.840 what in the world are you listening to? And he 225 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.759 explained it and I said, wait a minute. That's supposed 226 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:29.080 to be a possible bigfoot. He said yes, I said rewinded, 227 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.080 And he did that a few times, and I'm like, 228 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:35.240 I've heard that like a half a dozen times. And 229 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.200 it was the same spot I saw the you know, 230 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:41.080 the bigfoot back in the day. Uh. It actually was 231 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.759 the first sound I ever felt. And I know everybody 232 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.279 says that now, but it when they're when they're kind 233 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:51.240 of close. And that's confusing too, because the only sound 234 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.679 I ever felt was out of a big bass speaker 235 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:58.799 when you're close to it, you know, That's that's when 236 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.200 I kind of came close. I'm like, what is what 237 00:15:02.360 --> 00:15:04.840 is this show you speak of? You know? So and 238 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.360 so that kind of yeah, I'm like, oh, there's a 239 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:10.559 lot of stuff out here now. And so he had 240 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.759 been exposed to it, and so we immediately knew that 241 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.759 it was We didn't see anything, but it was either 242 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.519 a human or it was something big with with with 243 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:27.480 thumbs that did it. Now, since then, we've had everything 244 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.639 but a sighting from that place. Uh, We've we've heard 245 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.879 the vocalizations, uh, and we've we spooked something big up 246 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.840 one evening coming out. And my rule is if we 247 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:43.679 stay there all day. You know, I said, when we leave, 248 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:46.279 we're going to be kicking rocks, We're gonna be talking 249 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:48.039 and all that, because I don't want to walk up 250 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:53.600 on these things by accident. And we were tired. We 251 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.879 stayed all day. We carried our you know, backpacks and 252 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.200 water and food and all stayed the whole day. And 253 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.159 it was just before dark. And what I tell people 254 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:06.519 these things, when they you know you've been out there, 255 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.840 when they do things, it's always big and you can 256 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.679 hear it, feel it. And it was almost like we 257 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.080 spooped up an old man that didn't know where were there. 258 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:17.639 And it shuffled its feet. It was massive, turned around 259 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:21.600 about maybe forty yards into the dark woods up above us, 260 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:28.320 and it did a hoff growl mixture with a lot 261 00:16:28.360 --> 00:16:34.200 of force behind it. And since you know, becoming friends 262 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.840 with all these people that are experienced and I don't 263 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:39.759 panic as much now, I held my hands up to 264 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:41.679 show I didn't have you know, I had my dear 265 00:16:41.759 --> 00:16:45.279 rifle strapped over my back. I held my hands up. 266 00:16:45.320 --> 00:16:47.320 I said, hey, we're leaving. You have the place for 267 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.559 a few days. Thanks for sharing it with us. Sorry, 268 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:55.480 you know, And we walk off and my son says, 269 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:02.000 you know, what's weird. I'm like, like, that just wasn't weird, 270 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:04.240 you know, like you know, we're getting you that used 271 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:06.839 to it. He said, it doesn't scare me as much anymore. 272 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:09.440 And I'm like, well, you've been lucky enough to be 273 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.160 around the same people I have, and we know not 274 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.839 to threaten them and show respect, and it seems to 275 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:22.039 be working. We had just last year he was setting 276 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.400 up a blind and I was just sitting in a chair, 277 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:29.240 just watching him and talking in the hardwoods and where 278 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:32.319 the rock was thrown at us. In twenty twenty, we 279 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.279 heard a monkey sound. I saw a big monkey and 280 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.880 it was it was I can't, I can't do it. 281 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:47.640 But it was obviously primateish and I looked at him 282 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.039 and I didn't say anything. I said, spread out a 283 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:54.039 little bit and keep your eyes open. And you know, 284 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:56.119 seven or eight minutes later, it did it again. But 285 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.839 now it's closer to us, and I'm like, is this 286 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.559 thing letting us know? Is that you know? And we've 287 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:06.920 had a lot happen at this location, but no it 288 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.720 so you know, people like, well you've had these encounters. Yeah, 289 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.200 but I went thirty five years without hearing the first 290 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.680 thing or seeing the first you know whatever. And the 291 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:22.440 things that's happened to us since twenty three is because 292 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:27.920 we've gone to hotspot areas at night and with experienced people, 293 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:34.480 and you know, that's it's it's terrifying. Sometimes I think 294 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:37.400 in the while I'm in the woods or at a location, 295 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:40.920 I'm okay. But sometimes I get home and I try 296 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:43.880 to go to sleep, like what are we doing? Yeah, 297 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:47.119 you know, because the picture is not going to prove anything, 298 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.839 you know, there's there's we've found tracks. We found I 299 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:55.000 found over thirty at the LBL. One time. It was 300 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:59.599 a family, like a family unit, a big one I 301 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:03.319 assume was the big male one about fourteen inches or 302 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:05.359 so that looked you know, it was probably female and 303 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.079 two small individuals. And what I found out, I didn't 304 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:13.480 know anything about the Noble Red trackway from almost three 305 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:16.960 years to the date earlier. And when I posted those pictures, 306 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:21.640 I screenshot off my little go pro tein. I had, 307 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:29.160 you know, Debbie, Debbie Porch, Larry Porch, his wife, Patrick 308 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:33.759 Noble which he was with Shelley Reid when they found 309 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:35.960 the track, and we were in the same spot just 310 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.920 three years later, and they casted all of theirs and 311 00:19:40.960 --> 00:19:43.039 they had a lot of people there that was experienced. 312 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.559 I didn't. I had no knowledge of how to do that, 313 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:50.319 and I just documented the best I could with video. 314 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.640 And that's how I met a lot of people because 315 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:58.079 where were you at? I'm like, well, I was at 316 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:00.960 this location. Oh my god, that's where we were, you know. 317 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:06.640 And then that's when I started meeting some of that 318 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.240 group and saw this beast and woodwalkers and all that. 319 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:15.640 And we've we've become friends, and I really value them 320 00:20:15.720 --> 00:20:20.079 because Debbie's one. I'm telling you, if something happens, she 321 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:25.119 interrogates you, like like on TV, she's rapid fire, rapid 322 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:28.960 fire questions and you know, watching how you answer the 323 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.279 questions and stuff, and I appreciate. I had something happen 324 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:35.559 one night and she was asking. She's I'm sorry, no, no, no, 325 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:37.839 do it while that's fresh in my mind. Do what 326 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:45.519 you're doing. So I had no intentions whatsoever of starting 327 00:20:45.559 --> 00:20:51.319 a podcast. I had no intentions of getting out and 328 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.000 doing you know, I call it investigation. I'm not really 329 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:58.000 doing research. We're just looking for you know, evidence, even 330 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:02.640 though we know they're real. It's just fun to be 331 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.039 around like minded people. And when we get together, a 332 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:08.359 lot of you know, ninety nine point nine percent of 333 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:11.720 the talk is just family stuff and you know, interacting. 334 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:14.839 It's not bigfoot on the brain all the time. So 335 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:21.200 it's been a weird kind of journey. And I didn't 336 00:21:21.200 --> 00:21:24.279 expect to end up, you know, talking to people on 337 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:29.759 shows or having my own show. And the reason I 338 00:21:29.799 --> 00:21:32.839 started mine was I'm like, wait a minute, if I 339 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.799 have a show, I can ask the questions I want to, 340 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:39.079 you know, And and it's worked out so that so 341 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:43.319 that's kind of that's the long version of how it happened. 342 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.880 And you know, I say all the time, if I 343 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:51.440 haven't walked out in that field at fourteen years old, 344 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.960 I wouldn't be talking to you right now. You know, 345 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:57.039 I would have had no clue. So but I will 346 00:21:57.079 --> 00:22:00.559 say this. My dad laughed at me, and there's no 347 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.599 way so I don't remember the timeline. It was some 348 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:08.799 maybe the next year. They had been riding around at night. 349 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:10.759 They were about a mile and a half from where 350 00:22:10.759 --> 00:22:14.480 I saw this one gravel road on a hill and 351 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:17.640 you know, he had to relieve himself, got out, my 352 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:22.319 mom stretching her legs, car still running and something. Now 353 00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:24.920 when he told this story, I didn't know about what 354 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:29.039 bigfoot do. And he said, something broke some saplings, real 355 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.680 lilt guns going off, and he heard a growl. It 356 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:35.960 was up on the bank. We went back and looked 357 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:41.319 at it with a four foot ish farm fence. When 358 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:44.200 this thing jumped from that ledge, I will call it 359 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:47.240 over that fence and landed in the road behind him. 360 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.920 We're talking thirty five forty foot wow. And he said 361 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:52.839 it landed in the road behind him in the dark, 362 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.720 and he said it was two feet and it shook 363 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.920 the ground. He felt it when it landed. It paused 364 00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:02.480 for just a second and it started running to them, 365 00:23:02.920 --> 00:23:04.839 and he said when the feet were hitting, it was 366 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.400 kicking rocks to them, you know, on that gravel road. 367 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:09.599 And he's screaming at my mom to get in the 368 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:12.279 car and they leave. He waited. He woke me up 369 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:15.279 the next day, he waited. I got up and he 370 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.720 might have come to me. It's been so long. He 371 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.440 started asking these questions. He's like, how big was that 372 00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.519 thing you said you saw? I'm like, well, we we 373 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:26.720 we measured up there. You know it's seven seven half 374 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:30.000 foot you know by that judging by that limb. And 375 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:32.640 he's just saying, no, way, no, what happened. And he 376 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.559 told me, I'm like, well, how big? How big did 377 00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:37.200 it sound? He said, oh, it was, you know it was. 378 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:40.680 It was big enough. He came to me, Yeah, that's 379 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.559 a question. So that's how that's how it's. It's like 380 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:49.599 most people, uh, you get introduced to this accidentally, and 381 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.640 the more the more you talk to people, it seems, 382 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:57.039 you know, there are people that hear the stories, see 383 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.839 the videos and all, and they go out and do 384 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:05.319 their thing. But more than not, it's just regular people 385 00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:08.400 that see something that's not supposed to exist and it 386 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:12.720 changes their whole outlook on life or the possibilities of 387 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.680 many subjects, not just you know Bigfoot. 388 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.920 So, like you said, whenever you stepped outside that day 389 00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:25.000 and you saw that one, it started you down this 390 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.400 journey that's led you to this point. Absolutely one that 391 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.359 you would probably never have gone on any other way. 392 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:38.680 No, No, because no, because I was I was a 393 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.680 confident kid, but I was scared of the own unknown 394 00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:47.079 stuff Like you'd see shows about UFOs or movies or 395 00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:51.319 ghost or whatever, and I just it, you know what 396 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.359 the country folks say, make my hackles rise. You know, 397 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:58.160 I didn't want any part of that because we we 398 00:24:58.200 --> 00:25:02.279 lived in a house as a young kid that things 399 00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:06.240 happened in there that nobody could explain, and you call 400 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:11.599 it haunted or whatever. Then I found out later that, uh, well, 401 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:13.880