Speaker 1: I noticed a movement, something stepped out and my mind
Speaker 1: was blown. I mean, I didn't know where to put this.
Speaker 1: You know, it looked looked like an animal, but it
Speaker 1: looked like a human. It was big enough that the
Speaker 1: proportions it didn't look right. But there was nothing in
Speaker 1: between us. It was it was. It was wide open
Speaker 1: in between us, and this thing looked at me, almost
Speaker 1: almost like acknowledgement, like I know you're there. You know
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't, it didn't run. That's where it started.
Speaker 2: This is, of course, the Bigfoot Crossroads podcast. My name
Speaker 2: is Matt and joining me is Roger of the Squatching
Speaker 2: Holler podcast. But first, if you could do me a
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Speaker 2: that that's out of the way, first off, thanks for
Speaker 2: coming on the show. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you here.
Speaker 2: Finally, have you always had an interest in Bigfoot or
Speaker 2: what got you into all of this?
Speaker 1: No, I was just a country kid that lives, you know,
Speaker 1: didn't have any close neighbors, and my dad started I
Speaker 1: think he started teaching me how to hunt when I
Speaker 1: was around six or seven, or I'd go with him.
Speaker 1: And then, you know, back in the seventies, I didn't
Speaker 1: realize it, but we were hunting and fishing and growing
Speaker 1: gardens because we had to, and I, you know, I
Speaker 1: just thought it was fun. And he taught me a lot.
Speaker 1: My uncles, you know, they they would hunt Jensen and
Speaker 1: I'd go with them, and you learn a lot about
Speaker 1: the woods, and I know there's a lot I need
Speaker 1: to learn, but I had no idea. I you know,
Speaker 1: I had my little, uh, single single shot twenty gauge,
Speaker 1: and I thought I was boss of the woods. And
Speaker 1: you know, I would I would ramble around by myself.
Speaker 1: And one day when I was fourteen, I didn't have
Speaker 1: anything to do, and I just walked outside. It was
Speaker 1: early early nineteen eighty five, the best best I can remember.
Speaker 1: There wasn't any leaves on the trees, so it was
Speaker 1: like January and February. But the green field across the road,
Speaker 1: we had an access road to a cemetery up on
Speaker 1: the hill that was part of our driveway. Really and
Speaker 1: I just stepped out there, you know, to see if
Speaker 1: I see any squirrels, deer birds, whatever, just you know,
Speaker 1: you know, board and I was just about to leave,
Speaker 1: and there was about one hundred and seventy yards or so.
Speaker 1: There was a there was a bend in the old
Speaker 1: dry creek bed and it made a little bend in
Speaker 1: the field and I hunted on the other side of
Speaker 1: that and I noticed some movement and something stepped out.
Speaker 1: And I had seen my dad up there, you know,
Speaker 1: hundreds of times probably, and it was it was the
Speaker 1: color of the best I can explain it to people.
Speaker 1: It was the color of like a milk chocolate bar.
Speaker 1: And it was head to toe. It was proportions. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like a human. It was we measured later with
Speaker 1: a limb, guesstimating and measuring, you know, seven seven that foot.
Speaker 1: And my mind was blown. I mean, this thing turned
Speaker 1: at the at the waist and shoulders dipped and looked
Speaker 1: at me and I almost ran. I don't know why
Speaker 1: I didn't. My mind was just scrambled. And of course
Speaker 1: I heard a big foot and maybe you know, I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how I heard about it.
Speaker 1: But you know, just like when you're a kid back
Speaker 1: then Godzilla was in Japan on the TV and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Well, he can't swim this
Speaker 1: part surely Well if I even had heard of it,
Speaker 1: it was out west, you know, And that's one of
Speaker 1: those stories that you don't I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I necessarily believed it, but I've always had open mind.
Speaker 1: And when this thing stepped out, people ask what was
Speaker 1: your action? It was so many different things, you know, scared,
Speaker 1: should have run, curious, just a mind scramble, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to explain. But I did stay, and just I
Speaker 1: was like thirty yards or so from our side door,
Speaker 1: so I felt safe. I didn't realize how fast these
Speaker 1: things were and the hill that it eventually walked up.
Speaker 1: I'd walked up it many times, and I hated it
Speaker 1: because it was intertwined Johnson grass and the guy was
Speaker 1: almost ninety. He didn't bushog it every year, excuse me.
Speaker 1: And I knew how I walked up it and how
Speaker 1: long it took, and how clumsy that grass made you
Speaker 1: trying to step over it and your feet going out
Speaker 1: to the side and you're leaning. This thing went up
Speaker 1: up through there and seconds ten fifteen seconds ffortlessly stepping
Speaker 1: over the grass, kind of like a walking horse. A
Speaker 1: little bit is the only thing I can compare it to.
Speaker 1: So this this lasted my best estimation in about thirty seconds.
Speaker 1: And after it was over with, I was numb and
Speaker 1: just went into the house and didn't tell my sister.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to scare her. And I'm rethinking all this.
Speaker 1: Going into the woods at night time, you know, we
Speaker 1: you know, we used to run. I mean, we stayed
Speaker 1: on the creek banks at night. You know, as kids,
Speaker 1: we built a fire. That's just what we did. And
Speaker 1: it changed me. That changed me, and I didn't realize
Speaker 1: it until years later when people would ask me about it.
Speaker 1: And if there's little things like I used to like
Speaker 1: to sleep up against the wall in our house. It
Speaker 1: was a lot cooler there. There's a vent or something,
Speaker 1: you know, in my slide the bed up to it.
Speaker 1: I started sleeping in the middle of the bed. I
Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy, but being a kid, your mind was,
Speaker 1: you know, teenager. I quit going in as early, you know,
Speaker 1: hour before daylight, coming out after dark. I had the freedom.
Speaker 1: I've come back so late. Sometimes my dad was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm about to send the search party out
Speaker 1: for you. Well that's all that stopped. So and I
Speaker 1: became mostly a field hunter. I would go in the
Speaker 1: woods with other people, but you're always it's always in
Speaker 1: the back of your mind, you know. And I the
Speaker 1: only thing I could compare it to was Bigfoot because
Speaker 1: then once that happened, Yes, I started looking in the
Speaker 1: school library or you know, and there wasn't much out
Speaker 1: there at that time. And we're talking like nineteen eighty five, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and there, you know, we didn't have YouTube, and
Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't have all the you know, the
Speaker 1: people Now if somebody has encountered today, I know, I
Speaker 1: know people react to it different, but there's so much
Speaker 1: out there, and there's so much information people that all
Speaker 1: shared back in the day that didn't happen, because there
Speaker 1: was things that happened around here that I heard, and
Speaker 1: I saw how the old men reacted and laughed and
Speaker 1: shamed and uh. There was a newspaper report from Koaleoka,
Speaker 1: Tennessee in the late seventies, and that guy is still alive.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to him about it. I looked
Speaker 1: for years for that article again, and my wife met
Speaker 1: his granddaughter. But he you know, he stood by his story,
Speaker 1: and but they all laughed at him. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's why people kept quiet. You know here in
Speaker 1: the you know, southern Middle Tennessee. Always jokingly say in
Speaker 1: the buckle of the Bible belt, h I don't care
Speaker 1: what kind of weird stuff you encountered or happened. People
Speaker 1: just didn't just didn't broadcast it, you know. And and
Speaker 1: I've had since since I started doing what I'm doing now,
Speaker 1: I've had so many private phone calls from people with
Speaker 1: that can't talk about it because of their jobs. And
Speaker 1: you kind of put mental pens on a map and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, this you know, two miles
Speaker 1: from my house. This is five miles, this is you know,
Speaker 1: these same ridges and creeks, and you know, the normal
Speaker 1: stuff that we've come to find is they have in
Speaker 1: common with the power line cuts, the train tracks and
Speaker 1: all that. And you know, then I'm I met a
Speaker 1: guy early on in my life. He was a Tennessee,
Speaker 1: He was a Tennessee game warden, and he had had
Speaker 1: some things happened. He had talked to people and he
Speaker 1: had opened mind and we did talk about it some
Speaker 1: but not as much as we do now. So it's no,
Speaker 1: that's a long answer, but no, I I never I
Speaker 1: didn't even like scary movies. I was. I was terrified Jaws,
Speaker 1: you know, anything that was scary. Salem was a lot.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in the same room with it. And
Speaker 1: I didn't know where to put this. You know, it
Speaker 1: looked looked like an animal, but it looked like a
Speaker 1: human and it was it was big enough that the proportions,
Speaker 1: you know, the only way my teenage mind, it didn't
Speaker 1: look right. I couldn't, you know, I didn't see the phase.
Speaker 1: It was too far. But there was nothing in between us.
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was wide open in between us.
Speaker 1: And this thing looked at me as almost like acknowledgement,
Speaker 1: like I know you're there. You know. It didn't it didn't,
Speaker 1: it didn't run. Of course. I didn't have a you know,
Speaker 1: a weapon with me or anything like that. And it
Speaker 1: that's where it started, and I went, Matt. I went
Speaker 1: thirty five years before anything else happened, and that was
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty with my son and we actually found
Speaker 1: the tree break. I've been watching some YouTube stuff and
Speaker 1: we walked, we we weren't looking for this stuff. We walked.
Speaker 1: We found a new place to hunt in the south
Speaker 1: end of the county, really rough place. No, that's nobody
Speaker 1: will hunt it because you can't go back in with
Speaker 1: four wheelers. You can't lazy man hunt it. You know,
Speaker 1: got the thorns and it's grown up. But a good
Speaker 1: place to hunt. So we were scouting and we weren't talking.
Speaker 1: It was two weeks before, approximately before deer season. And
Speaker 1: in fact we found this tree break, this little hardwood
Speaker 1: that was five five and a half foot. It was
Speaker 1: broke a high pressure break. There's nothing there, There are
Speaker 1: no trees, there's no falling on it. There, there was
Speaker 1: no wind damage to other trees, and there were no
Speaker 1: scuff marks. And we looked, you know, in the case
Speaker 1: of tractor or something, you know, some piece of equipment
Speaker 1: did it. And we're not talking. We're just looking at
Speaker 1: each other like and I'm thinking, is this one of
Speaker 1: those marker things? Possibly of one of those things? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not vocalizing that, And all of a sudden, without speaking,
Speaker 1: my phone was in my front pocket and the voice
Speaker 1: on my phone said, I'm sorry, I don't quite understand
Speaker 1: what And I looked down and yes, and I grabbed
Speaker 1: my phone because you're you're not hunting, but you're in
Speaker 1: hunting mode, you know, you're checking the place out. So
Speaker 1: the first thing I grab it. Well, as I'm grabbing
Speaker 1: the phone and pulling out of my pocket, there was
Speaker 1: a rock about double fist size, came out of a
Speaker 1: cedar bush up the rise from us. Came out like
Speaker 1: something lobbed it, and it hit another rock and bounced
Speaker 1: and rolled a little bit, and I'm like, oh crap,
Speaker 1: because immediately I know, whatever did that have thumbs? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it's bigger than a raccoon. And there's nobody there.
Speaker 1: So we My son, he's real dry, he's dry humor.
Speaker 1: He's like, he said, are we just going to ignore
Speaker 1: the fact we had a rock thrown at us? I said, no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the best next move.
Speaker 2: You know, I just don't know what to do now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like we're in a tight spot, boys, you know,
Speaker 1: but so you know, and I make light of it,
Speaker 1: but it was it was an old brown shorts moment,
Speaker 1: and so I said, look, I think we need to
Speaker 1: face whatever it is and back down slowly so we
Speaker 1: don't trigger a response. We we got to the truck
Speaker 1: and talked about it. I'm like, what in the world
Speaker 1: was that? And I had told him about what happened
Speaker 1: to me back in the day and how this came
Speaker 1: up was funny because I was cooking like lunch or
Speaker 1: something and he was in the living room. I had
Speaker 1: no idea there were a bigfootshells YouTube shows stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and I heard this noise in the living room. He
Speaker 1: was watching one of the bigfoot shows, uh that was
Speaker 1: on that were on TV. And I heard this this
Speaker 1: the scream, which I come we all know is the
Speaker 1: how how Now I come around the corner. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what in the world are you listening to? And he
Speaker 1: explained it and I said, wait a minute. That's supposed
Speaker 1: to be a possible bigfoot. He said yes, I said rewinded,
Speaker 1: And he did that a few times, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've heard that like a half a dozen times. And
Speaker 1: it was the same spot I saw the you know,
Speaker 1: the bigfoot back in the day. Uh. It actually was
Speaker 1: the first sound I ever felt. And I know everybody
Speaker 1: says that now, but it when they're when they're kind
Speaker 1: of close. And that's confusing too, because the only sound
Speaker 1: I ever felt was out of a big bass speaker
Speaker 1: when you're close to it, you know, That's that's when
Speaker 1: I kind of came close. I'm like, what is what
Speaker 1: is this show you speak of? You know? So and
Speaker 1: so that kind of yeah, I'm like, oh, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff out here now. And so he had
Speaker 1: been exposed to it, and so we immediately knew that
Speaker 1: it was We didn't see anything, but it was either
Speaker 1: a human or it was something big with with with
Speaker 1: thumbs that did it. Now, since then, we've had everything
Speaker 1: but a sighting from that place. Uh, We've we've heard
Speaker 1: the vocalizations, uh, and we've we spooked something big up
Speaker 1: one evening coming out. And my rule is if we
Speaker 1: stay there all day. You know, I said, when we leave,
Speaker 1: we're going to be kicking rocks, We're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: and all that, because I don't want to walk up
Speaker 1: on these things by accident. And we were tired. We
Speaker 1: stayed all day. We carried our you know, backpacks and
Speaker 1: water and food and all stayed the whole day. And
Speaker 1: it was just before dark. And what I tell people
Speaker 1: these things, when they you know you've been out there,
Speaker 1: when they do things, it's always big and you can
Speaker 1: hear it, feel it. And it was almost like we
Speaker 1: spooped up an old man that didn't know where were there.
Speaker 1: And it shuffled its feet. It was massive, turned around
Speaker 1: about maybe forty yards into the dark woods up above us,
Speaker 1: and it did a hoff growl mixture with a lot
Speaker 1: of force behind it. And since you know, becoming friends
Speaker 1: with all these people that are experienced and I don't
Speaker 1: panic as much now, I held my hands up to
Speaker 1: show I didn't have you know, I had my dear
Speaker 1: rifle strapped over my back. I held my hands up.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, we're leaving. You have the place for
Speaker 1: a few days. Thanks for sharing it with us. Sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, And we walk off and my son says,
Speaker 1: you know, what's weird. I'm like, like, that just wasn't weird,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, we're getting you that used
Speaker 1: to it. He said, it doesn't scare me as much anymore.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you've been lucky enough to be
Speaker 1: around the same people I have, and we know not
Speaker 1: to threaten them and show respect, and it seems to
Speaker 1: be working. We had just last year he was setting
Speaker 1: up a blind and I was just sitting in a chair,
Speaker 1: just watching him and talking in the hardwoods and where
Speaker 1: the rock was thrown at us. In twenty twenty, we
Speaker 1: heard a monkey sound. I saw a big monkey and
Speaker 1: it was it was I can't, I can't do it.
Speaker 1: But it was obviously primateish and I looked at him
Speaker 1: and I didn't say anything. I said, spread out a
Speaker 1: little bit and keep your eyes open. And you know,
Speaker 1: seven or eight minutes later, it did it again. But
Speaker 1: now it's closer to us, and I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: thing letting us know? Is that you know? And we've
Speaker 1: had a lot happen at this location, but no it
Speaker 1: so you know, people like, well you've had these encounters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I went thirty five years without hearing the first
Speaker 1: thing or seeing the first you know whatever. And the
Speaker 1: things that's happened to us since twenty three is because
Speaker 1: we've gone to hotspot areas at night and with experienced people,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's it's it's terrifying. Sometimes I think
Speaker 1: in the while I'm in the woods or at a location,
Speaker 1: I'm okay. But sometimes I get home and I try
Speaker 1: to go to sleep, like what are we doing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because the picture is not going to prove anything,
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's we've found tracks. We found I
Speaker 1: found over thirty at the LBL. One time. It was
Speaker 1: a family, like a family unit, a big one I
Speaker 1: assume was the big male one about fourteen inches or
Speaker 1: so that looked you know, it was probably female and
Speaker 1: two small individuals. And what I found out, I didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about the Noble Red trackway from almost three
Speaker 1: years to the date earlier. And when I posted those pictures,
Speaker 1: I screenshot off my little go pro tein. I had,
Speaker 1: you know, Debbie, Debbie Porch, Larry Porch, his wife, Patrick
Speaker 1: Noble which he was with Shelley Reid when they found
Speaker 1: the track, and we were in the same spot just
Speaker 1: three years later, and they casted all of theirs and
Speaker 1: they had a lot of people there that was experienced.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I had no knowledge of how to do that,
Speaker 1: and I just documented the best I could with video.
Speaker 1: And that's how I met a lot of people because
Speaker 1: where were you at? I'm like, well, I was at
Speaker 1: this location. Oh my god, that's where we were, you know.
Speaker 1: And then that's when I started meeting some of that
Speaker 1: group and saw this beast and woodwalkers and all that.
Speaker 1: And we've we've become friends, and I really value them
Speaker 1: because Debbie's one. I'm telling you, if something happens, she
Speaker 1: interrogates you, like like on TV, she's rapid fire, rapid
Speaker 1: fire questions and you know, watching how you answer the
Speaker 1: questions and stuff, and I appreciate. I had something happen
Speaker 1: one night and she was asking. She's I'm sorry, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: do it while that's fresh in my mind. Do what
Speaker 1: you're doing. So I had no intentions whatsoever of starting
Speaker 1: a podcast. I had no intentions of getting out and
Speaker 1: doing you know, I call it investigation. I'm not really
Speaker 1: doing research. We're just looking for you know, evidence, even
Speaker 1: though we know they're real. It's just fun to be
Speaker 1: around like minded people. And when we get together, a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: the talk is just family stuff and you know, interacting.
Speaker 1: It's not bigfoot on the brain all the time. So
Speaker 1: it's been a weird kind of journey. And I didn't
Speaker 1: expect to end up, you know, talking to people on
Speaker 1: shows or having my own show. And the reason I
Speaker 1: started mine was I'm like, wait a minute, if I
Speaker 1: have a show, I can ask the questions I want to,
Speaker 1: you know, And and it's worked out so that so
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's the long version of how it happened.
Speaker 1: And you know, I say all the time, if I
Speaker 1: haven't walked out in that field at fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be talking to you right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I would have had no clue. So but I will
Speaker 1: say this. My dad laughed at me, and there's no
Speaker 1: way so I don't remember the timeline. It was some
Speaker 1: maybe the next year. They had been riding around at night.
Speaker 1: They were about a mile and a half from where
Speaker 1: I saw this one gravel road on a hill and
Speaker 1: you know, he had to relieve himself, got out, my
Speaker 1: mom stretching her legs, car still running and something. Now
Speaker 1: when he told this story, I didn't know about what
Speaker 1: bigfoot do. And he said, something broke some saplings, real
Speaker 1: lilt guns going off, and he heard a growl. It
Speaker 1: was up on the bank. We went back and looked
Speaker 1: at it with a four foot ish farm fence. When
Speaker 1: this thing jumped from that ledge, I will call it
Speaker 1: over that fence and landed in the road behind him.
Speaker 1: We're talking thirty five forty foot wow. And he said
Speaker 1: it landed in the road behind him in the dark,
Speaker 1: and he said it was two feet and it shook
Speaker 1: the ground. He felt it when it landed. It paused
Speaker 1: for just a second and it started running to them,
Speaker 1: and he said when the feet were hitting, it was
Speaker 1: kicking rocks to them, you know, on that gravel road.
Speaker 1: And he's screaming at my mom to get in the
Speaker 1: car and they leave. He waited. He woke me up
Speaker 1: the next day, he waited. I got up and he
Speaker 1: might have come to me. It's been so long. He
Speaker 1: started asking these questions. He's like, how big was that
Speaker 1: thing you said you saw? I'm like, well, we we
Speaker 1: we measured up there. You know it's seven seven half
Speaker 1: foot you know by that judging by that limb. And
Speaker 1: he's just saying, no, way, no, what happened. And he
Speaker 1: told me, I'm like, well, how big? How big did
Speaker 1: it sound? He said, oh, it was, you know it was.
Speaker 1: It was big enough. He came to me, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a question. So that's how that's how it's. It's like
Speaker 1: most people, uh, you get introduced to this accidentally, and
Speaker 1: the more the more you talk to people, it seems,
Speaker 1: you know, there are people that hear the stories, see
Speaker 1: the videos and all, and they go out and do
Speaker 1: their thing. But more than not, it's just regular people
Speaker 1: that see something that's not supposed to exist and it
Speaker 1: changes their whole outlook on life or the possibilities of
Speaker 1: many subjects, not just you know Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So, like you said, whenever you stepped outside that day
Speaker 2: and you saw that one, it started you down this
Speaker 2: journey that's led you to this point. Absolutely one that
Speaker 2: you would probably never have gone on any other way.
Speaker 1: No, No, because no, because I was I was a
Speaker 1: confident kid, but I was scared of the own unknown
Speaker 1: stuff Like you'd see shows about UFOs or movies or
Speaker 1: ghost or whatever, and I just it, you know what
Speaker 1: the country folks say, make my hackles rise. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want any part of that because we we
Speaker 1: lived in a house as a young kid that things
Speaker 1: happened in there that nobody could explain, and you call
Speaker 1: it haunted or whatever. Then I found out later that, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I had a recurrent nightmare like three times a week,
Speaker 1: and I still remember the dream at and I was
Speaker 1: three years old. But that dream was so terrified. I
Speaker 1: think that's why I didn't like the paranormal talk or
Speaker 1: the goat or the ghost stories around the fire. You
Speaker 1: know I would leave and there you are, Well, are
Speaker 1: you scared? I'm like, yeah, actually I am. And I
Speaker 1: found out by accident that that house we lived in
Speaker 1: in like nineteen seventy three and four, a young kid
Speaker 1: had accidentally hung himself. It was an accident, and it
Speaker 1: was in the room where I had weird stuff. And
Speaker 1: what weird stuff happened. It wasn't just me either, It's
Speaker 1: my fourteen year old aunt at the time lived with us,
Speaker 1: my mom, my dad, And yeah, we left. When we
Speaker 1: left that house, I didn't have anything else happened, but
Speaker 1: I always remember them being shook up about certain things.
Speaker 1: You know, I was young enough I didn't know exactly
Speaker 1: what was going on, but it wasn't a good feel.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't have no way. Fifty five year
Speaker 1: old Roger, if that hadn't happen back then, would say, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go look for sasquat. So let's go
Speaker 1: look for a bigfoot, Like, no, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, when a curious mind is exposed
Speaker 1: to strangeness, you either walk away from it and bury
Speaker 1: it deep, or you kind of want to know more.
Speaker 1: And I think I struggled with both of those, and
Speaker 1: then after the rock was thrown at us in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look, this is not normal. We got
Speaker 1: to figure out something. So and you know, I know
Speaker 1: enough now. Like I told you before, the more you learn,
Speaker 1: the more you don't. You realize what you don't know.
Speaker 1: And I tell people all the time. They'll ask me questions.
Speaker 1: I'm like, look, I only know for a fact what
Speaker 1: I've seen, what I've heard, what's happened to me. I
Speaker 1: can read a book, I can watch a show, and
Speaker 1: you're trusting that person to be telling you know the truth.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you what we've had happen, and
Speaker 1: I can tell you if it lined up with what
Speaker 1: this person said and what that person said. But it's
Speaker 1: and it's rare. I mean people are like, oh, you've
Speaker 1: had this happen and that that's that's crazy. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you go a hundred times, something
Speaker 1: may happen one time, and they don't they don't see
Speaker 1: the amount of effort put in. And I absolutely do
Speaker 1: not expect anything to happen when I go with a group.
Speaker 1: I don't go in hoping that something will happen that
Speaker 1: will see something or catch audio like we have a
Speaker 1: ton of times. I'm just as shocked when it does
Speaker 1: happen now because it is so rare, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not it's and people say, oh, come on a camp
Speaker 1: out with us, we'll guarantee you this or that. I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe they just live in that area like that,
Speaker 1: but uh, I just mad. It's it's it's hard to explain.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're into this subject too, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how you got started. But it's sometimes I
Speaker 1: fill up with it, like I don't want to talk
Speaker 1: about it anymore for a little bit, just kind of
Speaker 1: think about it. But then I have a new guest
Speaker 1: and there they have a different view or they have
Speaker 1: a different uh idea about why this is or that
Speaker 1: is and right now to me, uh, since it's unproven
Speaker 1: in their quotes by science, Uh, pretty much anything's on
Speaker 1: the table right now as far as you know theories,
Speaker 1: I would think until we no more.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, whenever you saw that one,
Speaker 2: do you think that that was just absolute dumb luck
Speaker 2: on your part or do you think it had some higher.
Speaker 1: Meaning behind it? Ah? Boy, you get deep.
Speaker 2: Hey man, I've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we can do all.
Speaker 2: The softball questions if you want to. But you know,
Speaker 2: like you said, I started a podcast so I can
Speaker 2: ask the questions I want to ask.
Speaker 1: And that's an excellent question, because for years I thought
Speaker 1: it was dumb luck. But as things happened in my life,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been shown things and I don't understand.
Speaker 1: But when I was ready, you know, and when it
Speaker 1: turned and looked at me, it was I don't even
Speaker 1: know how to explain it. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: which way the wind was blowing or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: do know that these things try to stay hid and
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I will tell you this. I'll
Speaker 1: tell people a lot. I don't know whether I saw
Speaker 1: a bigfoot because I'm open minded, or I'm open minded
Speaker 1: because I saw a bigfoot. Yeah, that's the question. And
Speaker 1: we we don't intend to hurt any of them, you know.
Speaker 1: I've learned from Native American friends kind of you know,
Speaker 1: show respect and kind of speak your intentions and other
Speaker 1: people say they know your intentions. We've had enough weird
Speaker 1: stuff happen that I'm starting to believe a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff and we don't know what they are. My
Speaker 1: opinion is there may be a multiple different types, and
Speaker 1: we we try to category horise them a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard to do, you because different
Speaker 1: you know, you can go deer hunting and you read
Speaker 1: a book about deer hunting and you see them do
Speaker 1: something that they either say they absolutely don't do this
Speaker 1: or it's not in the book, and you're like, because
Speaker 1: you know, we know this humans and animals react to pressure,
Speaker 1: and who knows what was going on. The farmer might
Speaker 1: have been doing something and flushed him out, you know,
Speaker 1: but I know we're I'm assuming it was a he
Speaker 1: because I didn't see any female, you know, characteristics which
Speaker 1: I have seen a female pregnant female blew my mind
Speaker 1: just two and a half years ago, probably, And man,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough. It's tough because that's the that's the
Speaker 1: big question, Like did he want me to see him?
Speaker 1: Did he introduce me to this subject for for some reason?
Speaker 1: You know? And now I am on the journey to
Speaker 1: get the truth out, and I know everybody's not going
Speaker 1: to believe it. But if you try to present the
Speaker 1: subject in a in a in a good way and
Speaker 1: just go with the evidence, and what you've seen, what
Speaker 1: you've heard, what you've recorded. Uh, you don't do the
Speaker 1: flashy stuff. Don't add to maybe somebody, you know, it'll
Speaker 1: they'll find comfort because they saw something they didn't understand,
Speaker 1: or it'll get somebody that's on the fence like leaning
Speaker 1: like well maybe maybe it's maybe it's possible, you know.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a man that was And I'm all
Speaker 1: four good questions and if I don't know, I'll just
Speaker 1: say I don't know, because uh, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: the best way to go about it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's something that I think about personally, because you know,
Speaker 2: very similar to what you were saying. I grew up, uh,
Speaker 2: in a place where stuff was going on that didn't
Speaker 2: have an explanation. And I mean the stuff was going on.
Speaker 2: It's actually this house that I still live in. I
Speaker 2: ended up with the house, but stuff was happening here
Speaker 2: before I was ever born, and I had an interest
Speaker 2: in it, Whereas you kind of shut it out and
Speaker 2: didn't want to have anything to do with it. I
Speaker 2: started trying to learn as much as I could because
Speaker 2: it did scare me. So I wanted to learn as
Speaker 2: much as I could. You know, what what is this
Speaker 2: what is happening?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But whenever it comes to that stuff, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: ghosts aren't proven. We don't really know what they are.
Speaker 2: I mean, it clicks a lot of the same boxes,
Speaker 2: checks a lot of the same boxes as the Bigfoot stuff. Yes,
Speaker 2: but I'm not talking about ghosts on my podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here talking about Bigfoot. So what why? Why is that?
Speaker 2: Why is it that something about this subject? Whenever you
Speaker 2: see one of these things, it just grabs.
Speaker 1: A hold of you the way it does, and it
Speaker 1: changes your outlook, Like if this thing is real, what
Speaker 1: else is real that they're saying is not real? There's
Speaker 1: no way you can not think that because we're told,
Speaker 1: you know, back in the back in the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: we've been reading old article newspaper articles. My co host
Speaker 1: Amanda she she finds all these old articles and they're great.
Speaker 1: They didn't have any problem talking about it. The cave,
Speaker 1: cave walls have, you know, depictions of strange creatures, the
Speaker 1: oral history. Native Americans full of it, even to the
Speaker 1: point where they may have traded with them and had
Speaker 1: different territories that they didn't overlap. And then sometime I
Speaker 1: don't know, in the nineteen hundreds, it became taboo to
Speaker 1: speak about it. But the thing I've learned, Matt is
Speaker 1: once you start digging this subject leads to other truths.
Speaker 1: And I don't think everybody wants everybody to know the
Speaker 1: truth about everything. That's all I'll say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there do seem to be some.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't like I don't like time and stuff either,
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying there there seemed to be some
Speaker 2: parties at work that have different interests than ours.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and we can leave it at that. I
Speaker 1: understand you. You don't want to talk about certain things. There's
Speaker 1: things I don't talk about on our show for the
Speaker 1: same reasons. Uh, that's a campfire story with your phone's
Speaker 1: thrown in the lake. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can't just say that you saw pregnant one and
Speaker 2: then not talk about it. I know that makes you
Speaker 2: one of the rarest people on the planet.
Speaker 1: I know. Spencer, Uh, Spencer's my Uh. We talked about
Speaker 1: him backstage. Spencer's my uh. Uh. He tells me to
Speaker 1: be careful because look, you've got a big foot show.
Speaker 1: I said, I understand, but look, if I can't tell
Speaker 1: the truth, you know, well, people might think this or that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't care. I mean, this happened, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out what what happened. But I
Speaker 1: was driving. I was I had a job. I was
Speaker 1: taking people to doctors' visits. And these two ladies. It
Speaker 1: was afford uh, like a cargo van with huge windows,
Speaker 1: and I was I was approaching the Nali Lamb Preserve
Speaker 1: and I'd heard I had people told me, you know,
Speaker 1: to give me, like you reports. Uh, some people that
Speaker 1: kind of research the area. One of them you may know.
Speaker 1: I won't bring the name up, but local person. And
Speaker 1: then a couple others, and my son has heard stories
Speaker 1: and some We're approaching and this like just got in daylight.
Speaker 1: It's a cold morning. There's that white, white hard frost
Speaker 1: on the green. And I'm talking to these ladies and
Speaker 1: the the the road is lifted. We go through, uh,
Speaker 1: we go over bridge, and they had built it up
Speaker 1: back in the day when to make it level. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking down in these fields because I'm always looking
Speaker 1: for deer, you know, deer or whatever. And so I'm talking.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to her. I've got my head turned to
Speaker 1: the right, and this these windows on this van are massive,
Speaker 1: I mean like three times bigger than a normal windows.
Speaker 1: I think that's the only reason I saw her. And
Speaker 1: I'm talking to this lady. I'm watching the road and
Speaker 1: I see the frost, and I'm like, oh, it's cold
Speaker 1: out there. You know, that's after hunting season, just after
Speaker 1: hunting season. And there's a ceedar of the creek, a
Speaker 1: thick cedar thicket, then the green field, and then another
Speaker 1: seedar thicket. And I'll look over and I see what
Speaker 1: I think is a person at first dressed in all
Speaker 1: black with a hoodie on black black, I mean gray.
Speaker 1: The first thing I thought was why would somebody wear
Speaker 1: a gray backpack on their front? And so I get
Speaker 1: about five or six seconds I'm looking at this thing,
Speaker 1: and I start realizing what I'm looking at, and I
Speaker 1: just go quiet because I'm talking to this lady and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to take in every detail. If I'd have
Speaker 1: been in my vehicle, I would have backed up whatever
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. I mean if they had gotten
Speaker 1: hurt with me pulling a U turn, I would have
Speaker 1: been in big trouble. So I'm looking at I didn't
Speaker 1: have any way to have a reference for size. She
Speaker 1: was about forty yards from the edge of the road
Speaker 1: down where you know, if i'd been in a vehicle,
Speaker 1: regular truck, even an eighteen wheeler, I couldn't have seen
Speaker 1: her because I'd have been on the other side of
Speaker 1: the truck. And she's got her left foot at twelve o'clock.
Speaker 1: She's facing the road, and her right foot's about two
Speaker 1: o'clock and her back, her shoulders are back, and she's
Speaker 1: kind of squatted. It's like her head slightly moved, is
Speaker 1: watching the van. And I quit talking immediately because I'm
Speaker 1: trying to take in every detail i can. The face
Speaker 1: was gray, the breast area was gray, the stomach was gray.
Speaker 1: And I don't remember if the lady asked if I
Speaker 1: was okay or yeah, so what were we talking about?
Speaker 1: And of course on the way back, I looked over
Speaker 1: there and nothing. She wasn't there. I had no way
Speaker 1: of knowing how big she was. But a few weeks later,
Speaker 1: I'm on the same track going over to Columbia and
Speaker 1: there's a normal sized man walking down the road and
Speaker 1: I see what he looks like next to the guardrail,
Speaker 1: and guardbrails are bigger than you think they are when
Speaker 1: you walk up to him and I saw the size
Speaker 1: of him compared to the guardrail, and I realized how
Speaker 1: big she looked out there, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she was a big one. So you know, I have
Speaker 1: no way. I'm seven eight foot maybe, and I can't
Speaker 1: give you, like I tell people though, how much you
Speaker 1: think it weighed. I'm like, well, I've never seen a
Speaker 1: big foot on the scales. I've seen hogs on scales.
Speaker 1: I continue what they might wait or deer. I can
Speaker 1: guess pretty close, but I have no idea. But she
Speaker 1: was sick. She was stick Bailly was big, and she
Speaker 1: was standing in a manner like where she could not
Speaker 1: quite in a linebacker stance, you know, where you can
Speaker 1: change go any direction you want to. But she was
Speaker 1: and that floored me. I mean, all of these years
Speaker 1: and are you kidding? Just like right here. But she
Speaker 1: wasn't in the open. She had cover pretty close on
Speaker 1: both sides. And I talked to a guy recently and
Speaker 1: he said, Roger, you realize she might have been about
Speaker 1: to give birth. I'm like, well, I have no way
Speaker 1: of telling that, he said, and he was giving me
Speaker 1: some clues, like it was close to water, there were
Speaker 1: there was cover there was a clean place and uh.
Speaker 1: And and the time of year it was. It was
Speaker 1: either late January or early February. And I don't know
Speaker 1: whether these things have a breeding season or they're like us.
Speaker 1: But it was interesting to listen to him. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I listen to people, and but that's all I can
Speaker 1: tell you. It just uh and when you see him,
Speaker 1: it's so rare, it's like your mind goes numb. It did.
Speaker 1: It happened again. I everything, my thought process went away,
Speaker 1: the ability to speak went away. But but I was
Speaker 1: I knew I only had just a few seconds, and
Speaker 1: I was wanting to take everything in that I could.
Speaker 1: And so I told Spencer and he's like, man, you
Speaker 1: got a bigfootshell you people you saw pregnant female. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if you're telling the truth, I don't care what they think,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, that was, uh, that was I've
Speaker 1: I've heard about roadside crossings and accidental road you know,
Speaker 1: uh encounters and all that. And now if we go
Speaker 1: somewhere and something happens, we catch screens on audio or
Speaker 1: we you know, you find evidence or whatever. That's one thing.
Speaker 1: But just at work, you know, driving down the road,
Speaker 1: that that that blew my mind. So yeah, uh man,
Speaker 1: that And sometimes you're like, it's a it's a it's
Speaker 1: a great feeling. But sometimes it's like a burden too,
Speaker 1: because you know, most people are not gonna believe it
Speaker 1: because you well, where's the video, where's the pictures, where's
Speaker 1: the you know, So I don't have any It's just
Speaker 1: it's just is what happened, and that's all I can.
Speaker 1: Just tell people what happened, and I know I understand it. Matt.
Speaker 1: If I hadn't seen that one in nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: I probably would be the biggest skeptic because I'm still
Speaker 1: when something happens, I start ruling out things. I try
Speaker 1: to rule out as many things as possible to get
Speaker 1: down to the possibilities. And even with our groups, what
Speaker 1: I love about them is they don't just jump to conclusions.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, it could be this, it could
Speaker 1: be that. My son, he's my sound guy, he's twenty
Speaker 1: nine now, and he's always been really interested in animals
Speaker 1: from I think Steve Irwin caused that, and all you're
Speaker 1: in school. He knows about the oddest animals in the
Speaker 1: forest way of countries. You're like, how do you know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but we'll hear, we'll hear a sound.
Speaker 1: And we were out at the north end and we
Speaker 1: heard a whistle and I looked at him and we've
Speaker 1: we've had activity up there. A lot of stuff happened.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen one yet, but we found tracks. I
Speaker 1: found four tracks, the brakes, the yelling, the twenty thirty
Speaker 1: pound rock throwing, and the picking up logs and beating
Speaker 1: against a tree and the end of the tree breaking
Speaker 1: off in helicopter and through the woods. We had an
Speaker 1: intense encounter up there. But this whistle, I'm like, is
Speaker 1: that what I think it is? He said, what do
Speaker 1: you think it is? I said, I mean, I hear
Speaker 1: big puts my whistle, but I've never heard it. He said, no,
Speaker 1: that's worse. I'm like, what do you mean it's worse.
Speaker 1: He's that's a mama mountain lion whistling for a code.
Speaker 1: We need to get back to the truck. I'm like,
Speaker 1: no way, cats don't whistle. And I get home, yeah,
Speaker 1: and I start yeah, I start looking and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I've heard that so much. I thought it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was birds, you know, So anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's good to have people with different you know, not expertises,
Speaker 1: but knowledge. That's why you have a hunter. You might
Speaker 1: have a former detective in the in the crew, a farmer. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got a scientist or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: just I feel like the team needs to be If
Speaker 1: you have a team, it's a stronger team if there
Speaker 1: are more, let's say, expertise in certain areas.
Speaker 2: So do you think these things are dangerous to humans?
Speaker 2: Not in like, obviously everything's dangerous to humans at some degree,
Speaker 2: But I mean, do you think that they have actual
Speaker 2: predatory behavior towards humans? You know, with all the hoopla
Speaker 2: over the missing four one one stuff, and you hear
Speaker 2: different stories over the years of horrible things, especially in
Speaker 2: the podcast world, where do you stand on all that?
Speaker 1: Well, if I can find it in nature, you know,
Speaker 1: if I'm thinking of something, I can find it in nature,
Speaker 1: and it's possible in certain species. Here here's what I know.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what we know. And you know, humans are
Speaker 1: can be back evil. You know, you can have a
Speaker 1: small percentage or evil. We raised breed of dogs and
Speaker 1: you know we might have had a let's say one
Speaker 1: hundred make a good number one hundred dogs that we
Speaker 1: had born and gave away or sold back in the day.
Speaker 1: You know, in a small percentage of those or something's wrong.
Speaker 1: They're either mean or they're crazy with with these things.
Speaker 1: If if you know, a lot of people say they
Speaker 1: might be part human, a lot of people would like,
Speaker 1: we'll kick back against that. But I feel like even
Speaker 1: with a mama hen if if it was like with
Speaker 1: that mountain lion, I didn't want to get caught between
Speaker 1: that mountain lion and its cubs. I feel like different pressures.
Speaker 1: We've had stuff thrown at us, but it was thrown
Speaker 1: in a safe direction. I feel like they there's been
Speaker 1: times where we've been ran out of places. I do know.
Speaker 1: I do know how big these things are and how
Speaker 1: strong they are and how fast they are, And there's
Speaker 1: times where we were at the mercy of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: if they wanted to hurt us, they could have. Now,
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like that they're like us.
Speaker 1: They'll protect theirselves, they'll protect their families, their family in it,
Speaker 1: like any anything would do. So I've had local people
Speaker 1: come up say, Hey, I want to go hunt and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring my gun. I want to you know,
Speaker 1: shoot one of them, Like, no, you don't, Now you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't want to threaten these things because you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what you believe they are. But
Speaker 1: I've heard terrible stories and I'm sure you've heard terrible
Speaker 1: stories that had that are kind of rare to hit
Speaker 1: the airwaves, where people have gone and investigated where humans
Speaker 1: have been hurt, but the human usually did something first.
Speaker 1: So you know that's a I don't. I have an opinion,
Speaker 1: but it's from it's molded from all of the conversations
Speaker 1: I've had, the things that have happened to us. I
Speaker 1: feel like that first rock through we went back up there,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about it and I'm like, what's on
Speaker 1: the other side of that that bullet, that small cedar
Speaker 1: tree And when we went through there, we had to
Speaker 1: stoop down to go through, but it opened up into
Speaker 1: a big saddle you could see for a long way,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking if we'd have stepped, if we went
Speaker 1: fifteen more yards, I don't know if it could have
Speaker 1: got away from us. It was kind of so I
Speaker 1: feel like it was trying to run us off. Ah.
Speaker 1: I don't feel at first I felt threatened, but I
Speaker 1: haven't felt threatened in a while. Now, does that mean
Speaker 1: that I'm I don't think they could hurt us. They
Speaker 1: absolutely could, but I think it's their choice and and
Speaker 1: who knows. I've heard stories of you know, the alpha
Speaker 1: male getting older, getting pushed out of the whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call them, the troupe, the group, the pod,
Speaker 1: you know, people have different names. And I've heard stories
Speaker 1: about the young male juveniles being mischievous and doing things
Speaker 1: that I won't even talk about on the air. I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's a possibility. I you know, you
Speaker 1: could take a male that's been pushed out and run
Speaker 1: up on a person, you know, female or whatever. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they could. They could do whatever
Speaker 1: they want to basically, so it's up to them so
Speaker 1: that you know, again, that's a long answer, but it's
Speaker 1: a really good question, and you have to you have
Speaker 1: to keep in the back of your mind you're dealing
Speaker 1: with something that's, you know, the boss of the woods,
Speaker 1: so to speak. I mean, you're not when yah, I
Speaker 1: used to think I was. When at fourteen I found
Speaker 1: out I wasn't. And I know now. So it's I
Speaker 1: feel like they can do anything they want to. Now
Speaker 1: you know. I'm sure you've talked to people that have
Speaker 1: situations where they live close by. I've been told not
Speaker 1: to give them food. I have done that in the past.
Speaker 1: I had a ten pound bag apples wasn't open, went missing,
Speaker 1: and in a spot where it was where we had
Speaker 1: that bad inner action. I was trying to make peace
Speaker 1: because this is family land that I'm married to, and uh,
Speaker 1: we we've had We've had them jump out and scream
Speaker 1: at us thirty forty yards away in the in the dark,
Speaker 1: and it was after I cut the recorders off. We've
Speaker 1: been there through four hours, ready to leave, maybe two
Speaker 1: or three in the morning. We just had a fire
Speaker 1: sitting and that's what we do mostly. We we go
Speaker 1: to these areas and just build a fire and talk
Speaker 1: and listen. But we've caught things on audio that you know,
Speaker 1: you can't say it's bigfoot, but you can say you
Speaker 1: can tell what it's not, and it lines up with
Speaker 1: other possible evidence. So I don't know if they could
Speaker 1: do it or not, but I'm always gonna treat the
Speaker 1: woods like they can. That makes sense. Yeah, have you noticed.
Speaker 2: Differences in behavior in the different groups at the different
Speaker 2: areas you go to.
Speaker 1: Kind of it's like the group in the North End.
Speaker 1: After we had the standoff, it lasted about twenty minutes
Speaker 1: after that, after I said what I said, you know, look,
Speaker 1: we're not here to hurt you. We're just curious. We
Speaker 1: don't want to be hurt either. We want to you know,
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing now because I was kind of shook up,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of letting them know we want to
Speaker 1: share the land with them. Ever since then, I think
Speaker 1: it's the smaller young one that'll throw stuff at us,
Speaker 1: or rock clack or now I've heard mouth pops from
Speaker 1: the big one that you can hear the residence in
Speaker 1: the Sinus cavity. You know, people are like, how can
Speaker 1: you tell? Well, if you you know, you can tell
Speaker 1: hardwood on hardwood, you can tell hardwood on a thicker
Speaker 1: bark pine, you know, not saying it's bigfoot, but if
Speaker 1: you go test that out, you know, if you're going
Speaker 1: to do this, go tellted out and see what each
Speaker 1: sounds like. Well, you know, Koombo had told me about
Speaker 1: how to tell about the mouth pops and I heard
Speaker 1: it one day and I was scared. It was daylight.
Speaker 1: Have my dog with me and we left, but I
Speaker 1: could hear the resonance in the sinus cavity and the
Speaker 1: big tongue, and I'm like, oh my god, we got it.
Speaker 1: You know, my dog was scared to death. She's a
Speaker 1: about a fifty pound staff he She's not scared of much.
Speaker 1: And she just hugged the ground. She was shivering, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, her name's Honey. I'm like, honey, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to leave you, but you got to help me.
Speaker 1: And she usually pulls me, you know, she usually pulls.
Speaker 1: And she was hugged up against my left leg and
Speaker 1: I could feel her shivering, and she was looking up
Speaker 1: at me like help, help, And I was scared. I
Speaker 1: didn't know what this thing was up to. But I said,
Speaker 1: in my mind, if you do harm us with our
Speaker 1: back turned towards you leaving, you're you're a piece of crap.
Speaker 1: That's what I That's what I said, I mean in
Speaker 1: my mind. So we got to the truck and she
Speaker 1: got in the truck, and I had been recording on
Speaker 1: my phone video and I was excited. Once I got safe,
Speaker 1: I called my game warding buddy. He's retired now. I said,
Speaker 1: I've got a sound. I need you to listen to
Speaker 1: I'm about twenty minutes out. I'll be there in a
Speaker 1: little bit. Matt I got there. We started watching the video.
Speaker 1: He had his headphones in and it got like eight
Speaker 1: seconds or so before the sound started. I'm turning to
Speaker 1: the left to face it, and the phone doesn't like
Speaker 1: if you turn it off, it'll just go black instantly. Right,
Speaker 1: the video just stops. This video smudges for a couple seconds.
Speaker 1: It's like it's catching everything that's in front of it,
Speaker 1: and it's blurred, and it just stops. It doesn't go black.
Speaker 1: I didn't stop it. I thought I had it all
Speaker 1: the way and so what we saw when I got
Speaker 1: to the truck, I kept it on. Who got to
Speaker 1: the truck just in case something happened, people will know
Speaker 1: what happened to us. So as I'm getting in the truck,
Speaker 1: I hit the red button to stop, I thought, and
Speaker 1: I ended up. I turned it back on, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how that happened. My mind was going crazy.
Speaker 1: But there's a few seconds I'm like, what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's recording, So yeah, I don't know. People talk about
Speaker 1: the electronics. We've had it, you know. I think everybody
Speaker 1: I know had weird anomalies with the with the electronics.
Speaker 1: I know we were at the LBL the beginning of
Speaker 1: the year. We had several of us out some of
Speaker 1: the places and some people making calls and Spencer had
Speaker 1: the thermal and Anthony. Anthony had the thermal Spencer he
Speaker 1: had we were looking at his phone and I had
Speaker 1: a flashlight. Oh expensive flashlights, twenty two hundred loom and
Speaker 1: it goes on. You know, you can put it on
Speaker 1: other things, and that flashlights never gave me trouble. It
Speaker 1: was fully charged. I had used it a couple of
Speaker 1: times just to see where I was at. And we
Speaker 1: get to another location and it won't work. It won't
Speaker 1: turn on, and I'm like, what's going on? And so
Speaker 1: I'll plug it up and it's you know, the light
Speaker 1: turns green. It's still fully charged. I can't get it
Speaker 1: to come on. Now, this could be something, you know.
Speaker 1: But when we got back to the cabin that night,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess it's it's broken, you know, I'm man,
Speaker 1: I hate for that defensive flashlight to be broken. And
Speaker 1: I hit the button that came on, so I I
Speaker 1: don't know, that doesn't mean that, you know, we've had
Speaker 1: you know people that we've had batteries drained, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm not smart enough to know, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of times we're out in the cold, I
Speaker 1: don't know if cold weather will drain a battery or whatever.
Speaker 1: I can't be good for it, or extreme heat. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the more you do this, the weirder stuff gets.
Speaker 2: The equipment thing always has me because I like to
Speaker 2: think that I'm pretty knowledgeable whenever it comes to tech stuff.
Speaker 2: And temperatures will definitely drain batteries. And a lot of
Speaker 2: this equipment that we use isn't designed for what we
Speaker 2: use it for, you know, so that can cause problems,
Speaker 2: but the amount of problems is too high for it
Speaker 2: to be written off. There is something to it. How
Speaker 2: I don't have any idea.
Speaker 1: Let's go this wrap, Matt, So take the equipment out
Speaker 1: of the equation. When you can feel the energy in
Speaker 1: the woods change, or you get a buzz in your ear,
Speaker 1: or you feel like you're driving up a mountain and
Speaker 1: you're sitting in a chair, a chair, my dad's a cheer.
Speaker 1: I went country there for a second. When you're sitting
Speaker 1: in a chair moving and but you're your ears feel
Speaker 1: like you're going sixty miles an hour up a mountain
Speaker 1: and you hear, you know, I heard two heavy footsteps
Speaker 1: and it stepped on a rock that was on another rock,
Speaker 1: and I heard it. I heard the sound and that
Speaker 1: my right ear started buzzing, and then I felt the
Speaker 1: pressure change. That it's clear. It's it's you know, twenty
Speaker 1: eight degrees in the morning sun. You know, it's almost
Speaker 1: you know, it's halfway you know, not halfway up, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's it's getting daylight. If you can
Speaker 1: feel stuff like that with your body, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't pretend to know what it is, but I do
Speaker 1: know a lot of people. I just read an article
Speaker 1: on infrasound and effects on humans a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: Very interesting, uh scientific paper or article. We know that.
Speaker 1: You know, once again, if you can find it in nature,
Speaker 1: then it's possible, right. So I know. One time I
Speaker 1: was hunting as a kid before I saw the Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: It was it was one of those rare winter weeks
Speaker 1: where we were going to get three or four inches
Speaker 1: of snow on a Friday night. It was deer season.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna be able
Speaker 1: to go hunting in the snow on Saturday morning, so
Speaker 1: I was all excited about it. I was probably thirteen
Speaker 1: at the time. It may be in the deer season before,
Speaker 1: just before I saw this one. It's the time at
Speaker 1: the timeline is pretty close. So I go walking now
Speaker 1: it was. I waited till it almost got daylight that day,
Speaker 1: but I could see without a flashlight because of the snow,
Speaker 1: and I go into the field. It's about sixty yards
Speaker 1: across to the woods where my stand is, and I froze.
Speaker 1: I stopped. I felt this weird feeling in my stomach
Speaker 1: was jittery, and I'm looking around. The woods looked really
Speaker 1: dark to me, and I I think it was more
Speaker 1: of a feeling, and the snow was beautiful. It was
Speaker 1: still big flakes are coming down. It dampens all the sound,
Speaker 1: and I'm looking around. I'm like something, something's up, and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, looking around to my side. I don't
Speaker 1: know what this is. I go to step forward and
Speaker 1: I can't, and I'm like that's crazy. So I want
Speaker 1: to push my leg again and I can't move. I
Speaker 1: did that three or four times, and I'm like this.
Speaker 1: I think I kind of in my head was like,
Speaker 1: don't be a punk, you know, don't be scared, there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong. But I couldn't make myself take a step forward. Finally,
Speaker 1: and I don't know why I did this. I have
Speaker 1: no explanation for this. In my head, I said, if
Speaker 1: you'll let me go whatever you are, or if you'll
Speaker 1: let me go, I'll turn around my right foot, I
Speaker 1: walk back to the house and I won't come back today.
Speaker 1: And this weight lifted off of me. It's like I
Speaker 1: was turned loose and maybe a you know, a mind thing.
Speaker 1: But I did exactly what I promised. I went back in.
Speaker 1: My mom was cooking breakfast, my dad was up drinking coffee,
Speaker 1: and they're looking at me. They knew how excited I was,
Speaker 1: and how do you explain that? I didn't for a
Speaker 1: long time. My dad thought, what are you doing? Did
Speaker 1: you get one already? I'm like, no, it's it's too
Speaker 1: cold out there. I kind of total white line, you know.
Speaker 1: And I went to my bedroom and just sat there,
Speaker 1: like what was that? And so as you learn years later,
Speaker 1: you learn about infrasound and all that. Could that have
Speaker 1: been what happened to me? I don't know, But when
Speaker 1: I saw the documentary just out of the blue, they
Speaker 1: had a line in the cage that had a reporter
Speaker 1: that had the instrument set up said they didn't tell him,
Speaker 1: They just brought him in the line. They were measuring
Speaker 1: the infrasound. They said, you know, like, how are you feeling? Man?
Speaker 1: I feel ay, And they explained what infrasound was. I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, is that what happened to me? You know?
Speaker 1: So who knows what the truth is. But but here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you find one thing you know this
Speaker 1: anybody out there listening that does any kind of investigation
Speaker 1: or trying to figure out puzzles and clues and all that,
Speaker 1: if you have one thing like okay, well then you
Speaker 1: a second thing comes up, well, well that kind of
Speaker 1: matches up with that. After you get up to like
Speaker 1: the seventh grade thing, that becomes a pattern. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's still you might be reaching. And we don't
Speaker 1: want to do that. But sometimes we're scared to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what it was because of the attitudes
Speaker 1: out in the world, you know, And and sometimes we
Speaker 1: can we can hold too much back. And and a
Speaker 1: lot of times when I've mentioned this, some great discussions
Speaker 1: have come privately, you know, out of this, so I've
Speaker 1: learned to kind of talk about it with my friends.
Speaker 1: But there again, who knows. I just know that I
Speaker 1: felt something similar to infrasound. Then you know, you talk
Speaker 1: to people like Kumbo that worked with the sound and
Speaker 1: all that where he worked, and he can enlighten you
Speaker 1: on different ways this affects you or this frequency affects you.
Speaker 1: And I feel like the frequency side you get to
Speaker 1: the Ron Moorhead stuff. For ten years ago, I'd have
Speaker 1: been like, what in the world is he talking about?
Speaker 1: You know? Now I'm like, you know, I'm ready to
Speaker 1: explore this part because like the layers of the onion,
Speaker 1: I've got this base here. Now I can go into
Speaker 1: this side of it and if it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 1: you know, we can leave it on the shelf. But
Speaker 1: there's so many layers, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and which one? You know? How you tell whenever
Speaker 2: you move from the onion to the garlic to the.
Speaker 1: Orange exactly have you experienced.
Speaker 2: Anything out in the field that maybe wasn't bigfoot?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, we we were at Talladega National Forest. I've
Speaker 1: been there three times with a group with our group,
Speaker 1: and that place is so weird to me. And there's
Speaker 1: there's quarts all over the ground. It's on the thirty
Speaker 1: third parallel. We caught the first year, we caught some
Speaker 1: amazing audio. I caught it on my iPhone and I
Speaker 1: had David Ellis. He he enhanced it for me. And
Speaker 1: there were three different individuals. And the first one, that's
Speaker 1: the first one my wife had ever heard, and she
Speaker 1: was talking about how loud it was, how vibrated. It
Speaker 1: was like one hundred yards approximately away from us. Then
Speaker 1: the second one that popped off, that's when you can
Speaker 1: hear me get nervous because it's if it moves forty yards,
Speaker 1: it cuts us off from the truck. You know. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: we need to get up here. Now, we need to
Speaker 1: get on be on to move. And then the third
Speaker 1: one answers. They were kind of a triangle. It was
Speaker 1: way over another ridge, so got got a lot of
Speaker 1: animals ruled out. You know, Uh, it fits the pattern
Speaker 1: of you know, alleged possible Bigfoot signatures. But then the
Speaker 1: just last year, I don't know if you've heard of
Speaker 1: flat rock down in the South Alabama and there's ken
Speaker 1: showers and Harley Owens overneath. He was there for some reason,
Speaker 1: and it was after midnight and we were just hanging
Speaker 1: out and flat Rock just got a really expensive thermo.
Speaker 1: He didn't know how to use it yet, and we
Speaker 1: started seeing red orbs. Well I saw. I spotted him first,
Speaker 1: and I was looking Katie g Gilliroanie. She was sitting
Speaker 1: on our tailgate, and so I was sitting in a
Speaker 1: chair looking up, and I saw this red light in
Speaker 1: the wood, and I'm like, do y'all see? At first, though,
Speaker 1: I'll move side the side to make sure it wasn't,
Speaker 1: you know, Mars or you know whatever. I've had that
Speaker 1: happen before. You think you see a light and ends
Speaker 1: up being a star a planet. So I'm looking, I'm
Speaker 1: back and forth, and then then it starts moving erratically
Speaker 1: up down sideways. I'm like, do y'all see that? And
Speaker 1: they start turning around. They're like yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: there was two. Well, Katie, she's like I used to be.
Speaker 1: Her feet hit the ground. She told John it's time
Speaker 1: to go. They hit the vehicle and they're gone, and
Speaker 1: we're looking at well Ken shivers nose. Flat Rock has
Speaker 1: this thermal and he has his old thermal that he
Speaker 1: gets that flat Rock gave to him. I didn't know
Speaker 1: all this. It's black. Well, somebody ken leaves and comes
Speaker 1: back hands me this thermal and I look through it
Speaker 1: and it's like four k HD and I'm I'm looking.
Speaker 1: I'm scanning, and We're right at the edge of the
Speaker 1: woods and I'm scanning, and all of a sudden, his
Speaker 1: face comes into view and it couldn't have been no
Speaker 1: more than thirty feet from us, and I hear flat rock.
Speaker 1: He's got a distinct voice. I said, flat Rock, is
Speaker 1: this thing recording? He said, I'm no. I said it
Speaker 1: needs to be recording, like right now? Why I said
Speaker 1: right now? And he could tell I was being I
Speaker 1: was anxious. I was anxious. I didn't want to yell
Speaker 1: at him. I didn't want to make him mad, but
Speaker 1: I'm like, we need, we need to get on, move on,
Speaker 1: you know. So the face, the eyebrows and everything looked
Speaker 1: or the braw you know, not the eyebrows, but the
Speaker 1: bone structure looked humanish but big. But the nose looked
Speaker 1: muppet like, like one of the long muppet nose on
Speaker 1: Sesame Street. And the tip folded under and the nostrils
Speaker 1: were up under that tip. And I see the mouth.
Speaker 1: And so flat Rock is fooling with the buttons in
Speaker 1: the dark and I'm holding it on it and right
Speaker 1: he's the wrong button. He takes a picture, but right
Speaker 1: before he does this, this thing dips its head. It
Speaker 1: keeps its eyes on me, and it dips its head
Speaker 1: and it doesn't look happy. So right as he takes
Speaker 1: the picture, I'm not seeing what's going on. And we
Speaker 1: have a picture. It's hard to tell. I believe it's
Speaker 1: the arm is on the tree, the wrist, the hand,
Speaker 1: the wrist, and the arm comes out at the right angle,
Speaker 1: and I think we're looking up ats nostrils and but
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's hard to show people, and you
Speaker 1: know if you weren't there. But flat Rock gets it
Speaker 1: on and I'm like, well it's gone now, whatever it was,
Speaker 1: And ken It said, I saw something walking on two
Speaker 1: legs down there with a smaller thermal. I'm like, we'll
Speaker 1: keep if you got it recording, he said, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we'll like the four stages out there, and so but
Speaker 1: Harley says, don't stop recording because the last time this
Speaker 1: happened to us, something weird happened. I'm like, well, okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm scanning in a small circle widened out
Speaker 1: and see if I can find this thing again. And
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this orb about baseball to softball
Speaker 1: size comes into view and it's got a nucleus and
Speaker 1: a membrane and it's see through and it's pulsating. And
Speaker 1: now the orb with the thing, the camera was on
Speaker 1: black hot, and I'm like, I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: what I said. When I get nervous sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: bad words come out. And they were laughing, like We're
Speaker 1: glad there's no sound on that. So I'm trying to
Speaker 1: keep up with this thing and it's going up and
Speaker 1: down and it drops about two or three feet. At
Speaker 1: one point it drops into Ken's view, and so i
Speaker 1: tell them what I'm seeing. And then I'm like, can
Speaker 1: I borrow this for a second? Flat Rock? You trust
Speaker 1: me with this? He said sure, I said, hardly, come
Speaker 1: with me. He said, what are you doing? I said,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get a bird on thermal to see
Speaker 1: what a bird looks like in this And we heard
Speaker 1: the whipper wheels, you know. I'm like, let's go see
Speaker 1: if we can, you know, confirm what they look like
Speaker 1: in this thing. I want to see, and I went,
Speaker 1: we caught two whipper wheels on thermal flying. They look
Speaker 1: like birds, you know. So now I'm on pens and
Speaker 1: needles because flat Rock has to go back home, download
Speaker 1: all this stuff and see if we caught it. About
Speaker 1: three days later, I get a text and said we
Speaker 1: got it, and I'm like, oh my god. He said it.
Speaker 1: It's not as clear as what I was seeing through
Speaker 1: the lens, but it's clear enough that you can see
Speaker 1: it pulsating. You see that it's see through. You can
Speaker 1: see the nucleus, you see the membrane. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's a light anomaly. I don't know what would
Speaker 1: move like this. I would welcome anybody to take a
Speaker 1: look at it, because if it's something normal, I want
Speaker 1: to know. I've had a lot of people look at it.
Speaker 1: Nobody can give me answers. Now. I think on Plate's
Speaker 1: last documentary they had a guy, I believe he was
Speaker 1: from Alabama, and they had an orbit looked just like
Speaker 1: the one that we've got. But it might have been
Speaker 1: a daytime, I'm not sure, but it looks similar.
Speaker 2: So yeah, from the description that you're giving, I have
Speaker 2: seen quite a few photos and video of orbs that
Speaker 2: match what's in my head. As you're describing it.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you after we do the show.
Speaker 1: I'll send it to you messenger. Let you look at it.
Speaker 1: It's I've had a lot of people say, man, we're
Speaker 1: gonna look at it. We're gonna break it down. We're
Speaker 1: gonna tear it down. Don't be mad if I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: I want the truth. That's all we're after is the truth.
Speaker 1: And I've got this equipment. I've got that equipment, and
Speaker 1: and crickets ain't hearting anything back from anybody, So you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good sign, but uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and you need friends if you're going to
Speaker 1: do this, if you're listening and you want to get
Speaker 1: into this, you need friends that will hurt you try
Speaker 1: you know, they don't care to hurt your feelings, like
Speaker 1: to pull you back down to earth, Like, No, that's
Speaker 1: not what that is. Because we sometimes we might jump
Speaker 1: to conclusions. We try not to. But that's what's great
Speaker 1: about this group of people that we're with. They're not
Speaker 1: just going to agree with you just because their buddies
Speaker 1: with you, you know, and that's what you need.
Speaker 2: I always called it the cool down phase. I always
Speaker 2: give myself a few days after I got back home
Speaker 2: to calm down. Yeah, because you know, on the way home,
Speaker 2: oh man, I know, we were surrounded by them the
Speaker 2: entire time. They were screaming at us.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You give it a few days.
Speaker 2: It starts sounding more like.
Speaker 1: A barn owl. Yeah, And I was laughing. I heard
Speaker 1: of somebody talk about it on this show. Yeah. When
Speaker 1: you hear that three or four pound, three or four
Speaker 1: hundred pound barred ow and my son I called him.
Speaker 1: I said, you remember that, uh that that air quotes
Speaker 1: that barred ow. He can do a good He can
Speaker 1: do a lot of calls really good. But it's just
Speaker 1: his mouth. And we were there during the day and
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, it's always fun if nothing's going on,
Speaker 1: you know, you can you can stir them up. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they'll come in and check you out, you know. And
Speaker 1: I said, stir the bard out up. And he does
Speaker 1: his call and one answers over here, and then he
Speaker 1: does it again. One's over here, and then a little
Speaker 1: later they're closer. And that's cool. You know, you're out
Speaker 1: in nature having fun. All of a sudden, probably from
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away, across the field into the other
Speaker 1: woods where we've had the most stuff happen. It was
Speaker 1: like and he snapped around and looked at me, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, that wasn't right. He said that was terrible.
Speaker 1: And I said it was on the ground with us too,
Speaker 1: it wasn't up in the up in the trees. And
Speaker 1: he's like me, he said, it's probably time to go,
Speaker 1: you know. So, uh, we're not. We don't want to
Speaker 1: get in a mess like we've been in before, you know.
Speaker 1: But I've actually heard uh at times where either the
Speaker 1: owl was sick or damaged, vocal whatever, and but they're
Speaker 1: that one time. You know, if it was a human
Speaker 1: doing it, I don't know who would have been there,
Speaker 1: how would they they would have walked in. It's a
Speaker 1: dangerous place. Ah, it's unique. Uh. Middle Tennessee has a
Speaker 1: it's called Cedar Glades. They just named it that in
Speaker 1: the past few years. And it's the only place in
Speaker 1: the world like it. And this place is on the
Speaker 1: south end of it where you'll be standing beside a
Speaker 1: hickory tree and then the cedars, and then you have
Speaker 1: a palmetal looking plant and then if you step in
Speaker 1: arickly pair over here then there's crevices where the Duck
Speaker 1: River is not far away, and when it floods around there,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get up out of the river and flood
Speaker 1: the fields. It comes up out of the ground in
Speaker 1: these caves and you know, sinkholes and stuff. So it's
Speaker 1: kind of an odd, cool place. And so we've seen
Speaker 1: lights in the woods. We've seen plasma looking orbs in
Speaker 1: the trees like twenty yards away. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it's an energy thing. I don't know what causes it,
Speaker 1: but the thing is my son, he brought it up first.
Speaker 1: He said, you would have to be an outright idiot
Speaker 1: to walk in these woods at night with no flashlight
Speaker 1: because you're walking along. You can walk during the day,
Speaker 1: and you have to be careful because some of these
Speaker 1: things maybe thirty or forty feet deep but only two
Speaker 1: or three foot wide, you know, and you'll if you
Speaker 1: don't know where they're at, you you might be on
Speaker 1: missing for one yeah, disappear. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to think about the strangeness until
Speaker 1: we and I still don't know what to think, but
Speaker 1: I just know we've experienced a lot of it. I
Speaker 1: do know if you dig into it. And I saw
Speaker 1: the Chapel Hill light one time. Y'all can google that
Speaker 1: it's in Chapel Hill, Tennessee. I saw it as a
Speaker 1: like a seventeen year old, and it reminded me of
Speaker 1: ball lightning. But the way it moved it was it
Speaker 1: was being pulled. It wasn't. It wasn't like this orb
Speaker 1: that we are. These orbs we've seen, it looked like
Speaker 1: they're moving on their own. This thing was being pulled
Speaker 1: to the train tracks and then it was ripped away
Speaker 1: from the train tracks, and without getting too deep into it,
Speaker 1: I could tell it was magnetic when it when it
Speaker 1: got in between the tracks and it did a little
Speaker 1: shemmy until it stabilized. It was up off the ground
Speaker 1: maybe a foot or so, and light was emanating every
Speaker 1: direction because it was round, and the shadows were crazy
Speaker 1: when this thing was coming out of the woods. If
Speaker 1: you have something round and light is going in every
Speaker 1: direction when it moves afoot, your tree shadows look like
Speaker 1: they're dancing, you know. So, So it didn't scare me
Speaker 1: because I've seen ball lightning before. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: something natural. I feel like a lot of these orbs
Speaker 1: when you get to talking about energies and the waterfalls,
Speaker 1: the underground water. You know, I've witched for water before,
Speaker 1: either with copper rods or a green you know, like
Speaker 1: a pear tree limb cut with a V. I've actually
Speaker 1: almost had the limb pulled out of my hand because
Speaker 1: I didn't believe it. I'm like, you're full of crap.
Speaker 1: Try it, you know, and you get over there and
Speaker 1: you feel this pressures and they go over that way
Speaker 1: where the stream is bigger underground, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: can't hardly hold the stick and see I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess there's something to it. So there's energies, there's
Speaker 1: natural things. I think I saw a documentary one time,
Speaker 1: just out of the Blue, a long time ago. I
Speaker 1: was interested because I'd seen the chapel of a light
Speaker 1: and long story short, these scientists like these people have
Speaker 1: been seeing these lights. So they went to study it
Speaker 1: and basically they saw they saw them coming up from
Speaker 1: the water. So they started studying the place, and the
Speaker 1: water had sulfur in it. One side had it was sulfur,
Speaker 1: and then lit them it. Basically it was just a
Speaker 1: big battery, so that's what was causing you know, or
Speaker 1: that was their story anyway, So you know nature, nature
Speaker 1: can do some weird things, you know, But that's all
Speaker 1: part of it learning more about what's going on.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you're saying, I don't know what
Speaker 2: any of the answers are, but definitely if you spend
Speaker 2: enough time out there, you'll see some stuff, you'll experience
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't say that it's connected or that it's not
Speaker 2: connected or right, you know, anything We don't know. But
Speaker 2: I mean people have been seeing orbs and lights in
Speaker 2: the woods forever, yes, all over.
Speaker 1: You know. You have people like one of the family
Speaker 1: members that owns the land, they've had it almost forty years.
Speaker 1: Well I ain't never seen nothing like that. I say,
Speaker 1: have you ever ever been out there at one o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning? Well no, okay, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: So you know, in my opinion is this opinion, y'all
Speaker 1: don't say Rogers said, this is fact from the experiences
Speaker 1: we've had in the places. And I feel like there
Speaker 1: might be areas that draw certain things, or it's more
Speaker 1: conducive to the weirdness. I don't know if the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: they seem to be in some of these places. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you know. You have theories on their
Speaker 1: energy and the way they use energy. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know that to be a fact. But some
Speaker 1: of the weirder stuff we've been involved in when I
Speaker 1: have a guest or I talk to somebody like, well,
Speaker 1: we saw this light and we saw I said, is
Speaker 1: there a lot of quartz around? Well? Yeah, how'd you
Speaker 1: know that? Is there a waterfall nearby? Well? Yeah, how
Speaker 1: did you know that? You know? Or no? And oh
Speaker 1: I forgot this part just before the orbs appeared. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this had anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: My dumbtail song on TikTok where you can make cold
Speaker 1: fire with quartz, and so I pick up two things
Speaker 1: of quartz and we're in the pitch dark and I
Speaker 1: sent there striking together and we're all like, oh, that's cool.
Speaker 1: So I don't know whether I stirred up something because
Speaker 1: it all started right after that, but it's release of energy,
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, I've had some weird I've had
Speaker 1: some wild theories thrown my way on what I would
Speaker 1: we were dealing with that night. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to bleed, but like I said, I keep it on
Speaker 1: a shelf for future reference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's definitely something to the quartz though.
Speaker 2: I think so I will go on the record and
Speaker 2: say that that is a firm opinion of mine at
Speaker 2: this point in time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. It's
Speaker 1: it's an amazing it's an amazing material. If y'all are
Speaker 1: just hearing this for the first time, dig into the
Speaker 1: quartz thing, just start googling it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, quartz and underground water, Yes, sir, it seemed to
Speaker 2: be pretty common factors in all of it. Yep, tell
Speaker 2: me about squatch and Holler.
Speaker 1: I started it to ask questions, uh to to find
Speaker 1: out more truth about the subject, and started in the bedroom.
Speaker 1: Now we're we teamed up with Doug hih Check on
Speaker 1: Untold Radio Network, so we do Thursday nights live and
Speaker 1: you can you can catch it later on Spotify and
Speaker 1: all the you know, the the platforms. But we do
Speaker 1: lives on Thursday nights and we do that once a week.
Speaker 1: And I had an original channel that I lost access to,
Speaker 1: so I just started back. You can look up Squatching
Speaker 1: Holler or Squatching Holler podcast. We did one show last week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna I wanted a channel to where we could
Speaker 1: go live in the field or you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: something that a little more uh leeway and what I
Speaker 1: could do. So yeah, y'all can y'all can check us
Speaker 1: out and my coas Amanda. When she came on board,
Speaker 1: it made things so much better because she's she's younger
Speaker 1: and she works at the Expedition Bigfoot Museum in North
Speaker 1: Georgia with David Bakara. She takes Bigfoot reports. You know,
Speaker 1: that's her job. Yeah, I ain't stupid. How did you
Speaker 1: do that? I saw her on TikTok and I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about needing a co host. I asked my wife.
Speaker 1: She's bashful, she said, no, I'm not doing it. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't think he would. I knew I better ask first, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm looking. I had a couple of people in mind,
Speaker 1: and then my old self signed up for TikTok and
Speaker 1: I started adding all the Bigfoot people and all this stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: Amanda was posting short videos with the you know sometimes
Speaker 1: at the end of it, and I was thinking about it, like, well,
Speaker 1: that's a good point or that's that's a good question.
Speaker 1: So I started leaning that way and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want to be on my show, you know? She said, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course. Well when she was on the show, everything
Speaker 1: was natural. It was you know, at that time, it
Speaker 1: was one of my most viewed shows, and we kind
Speaker 1: of clicked, and I was nervous. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: be the creepy old guy, you know.
Speaker 2: Like, so this is strictly professional, right right.
Speaker 1: You know, and people can take things the wrong way.
Speaker 1: And uh so, So I saw her on TikTok. She
Speaker 1: thought it was her final message because they thought TikTok
Speaker 1: was going to be banned, and she was about about
Speaker 1: in tears. I don't know what I'm gonna do for
Speaker 1: my creative side, blah blah blah. And I said, now's
Speaker 1: the time. So I sent her a message and she
Speaker 1: thought about it. She said, sure, her husband was on board.
Speaker 1: My wife was on board. Uh there. Uh they're good
Speaker 1: people down there in Georgia, and uh we worked well together.
Speaker 1: She she brings a different, different side to this. Uh.
Speaker 1: She's a very good researcher. She loves finding the deep
Speaker 1: stuff from years ago. And that's just it. It's made
Speaker 1: it into a fun thing for us. And I'm just
Speaker 1: blessed to have her own the show because it's so
Speaker 1: much better with her. So, y'all, if y'all are in
Speaker 1: North Georgia the Expedition Bigfoot Music, I haven't been there yet,
Speaker 1: we haven't met face to face yet. Just go go
Speaker 1: say hi to Amanda. But yeah, and we appreciate you, you know,
Speaker 1: checking us out. And we're probably not for everybody. We
Speaker 1: take these subjects very seriously. We don't take ourselves very seriously,
Speaker 1: so we like to have fun with it. But when
Speaker 1: it's time to dig in, we dig in.
Speaker 2: If you're someone who has followed me over the years,
Speaker 2: some of you may have even been around before Bigfoot Crossroads,
Speaker 2: which is crazy to think about. But if you were
Speaker 2: a fan of the old Bigfoot outlaw radio stuff, you
Speaker 2: will enjoy Squatch and Holler and you will recognize a
Speaker 2: lot of the name that uh to make guest appearances
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've we've become we've become like family, you know,
Speaker 1: some of us. And I enjoy being around some of
Speaker 1: those people because they keep you grounded. And if I
Speaker 1: have a question, if something happens out in the field
Speaker 1: and we're on the way back from Alabama, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm dialing like, Hey, I need to talk to you
Speaker 1: about something. Can you guide me on this? You know?
Speaker 1: So it's it's it's a very I'm very fortunate, uh
Speaker 1: to live where I do and and have accidentally met
Speaker 1: these people and some of them are very good people.
Speaker 1: But thank you for that. That's uh, you know, I've
Speaker 1: heard your name a few times and stories like, uh,
Speaker 1: we're uh like I you know, I can't like office
Speaker 1: encounter stories or or where people were out in a
Speaker 1: certain area, and I'm like, you know, you know Matt
Speaker 1: and no, no, I've seen his name on Facebook and
Speaker 1: the show and all that. I'll listen to this and
Speaker 1: the way he was there or something. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember. And it's all been good though, so
Speaker 1: that's a relief.
Speaker 2: But hey, now you know me and Roger, I appreciate
Speaker 2: you coming on and talking to me, and uh, I
Speaker 2: listen forward to future conversations.
Speaker 1: Man, Yes, sir, keep doing what you're doing. It's all
Speaker 1: about the trees, right amen.
Speaker 2: If you've had your gonna encounter with Bigfoot or dog
Speaker 2: Man or something else you can't explain, you'd like to
Speaker 2: share your story on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Crossroads dot com. You can find links to social media,
Speaker 2: past episodes, merchandise, everything you need, all in one place,
Speaker 2: and until next time, remember there's something in the woods.