Speaker 1: Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the
Speaker 1: David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: As the clock strikes thirteen here on Airstrip one, It's
Speaker 2: the David Knight Show. I'm Gardner Goldsmith, filling in for
Speaker 2: David on this October twenty fifth. You're of our Lord
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. You're gonna have a great morning this
Speaker 2: morning as we get to touch on many of the
Speaker 2: breaking news stories and drive some long standing lesson his
Speaker 2: liberty and peace out of them, and we get your
Speaker 2: opinions and invite two guests today. Eric Peters will be
Speaker 2: joining us in the eleven o'clock hour, and Tom MONTALIONI
Speaker 2: very well known author in science fiction and horror circles,
Speaker 2: be joining us to tell us about how he exposed
Speaker 2: the wokeism of the bram Stoker Awards. It's all here
Speaker 2: in the David Knights and what a wonderful morning it
Speaker 2: is here in southern Russian Hampshire where we spread the
Speaker 2: Russian propaganda. Good to have you along for the ride everyone,
Speaker 2: As I get to move over from MRCTV to fill
Speaker 2: in for David Knight today on the David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: I'm Gardner Goldsmith and if you want to find my work,
Speaker 2: go to mrctv dot org or check us out over
Speaker 2: at Liberty Conspiracy, my evening program in the Eastern time
Speaker 2: zone at six pm where we gather and plot and
Speaker 2: plan and crouch and conspire for greater days of freedom
Speaker 2: by breaking apart many of the news stories and trying
Speaker 2: to derive long standing intellectual ammunition from those things. We
Speaker 2: cogitate and ruminate and hopefully we have a great, great time,
Speaker 2: and thank you very much. If you're watching us on
Speaker 2: x please hit the thumbs up on any of the
Speaker 2: platforms that might be streaming us. We're on Odyssey, on
Speaker 2: d Live or on Rockfinn and on Rumble, and of
Speaker 2: course feel free to pitch into the David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: While I fill in today, I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that I mentioned that and the David Knight Show website
Speaker 2: where you can find great items at the David Knight
Speaker 2: Show Shop, and of course you can go to Davidknight
Speaker 2: dot gold if you want to connect with the great
Speaker 2: Tony Rdeburn and Wisewolf Gold and Silver Exchange. Become part
Speaker 2: of the wolf Pack. It's a great idea, especially during
Speaker 2: these troubling times. But almost any time. It's very good
Speaker 2: to have some precious metals on hand. And of course,
Speaker 2: if you're watching on X, please hit that recycle and
Speaker 2: send it out to other friends as well. And if
Speaker 2: you're watching after the fact, welcome to whatever platform is
Speaker 2: hosting the program. What I try to do on Liberty
Speaker 2: Conspiracy is make sure that the news stories that I'm
Speaker 2: discussing are also available in my x feed, and on
Speaker 2: Sundays I put together a compilation of about twenty stories
Speaker 2: or so, plus a couple video links at my substack.
Speaker 2: You can just go to the Gardner Goldsmith substecon It's
Speaker 2: g R d N e R like the Gardner mass
Speaker 2: of Gardner, Massachusetts. In fact, our family was one of
Speaker 2: the five that founded Salem, Massachusetts and the Gardner Museum.
Speaker 2: Isabella Stuart Gardner married into the Gardner family, so they're
Speaker 2: all right. They came over on the Mayflowers, so they're
Speaker 2: all part of that group from Massachusetts that has hung
Speaker 2: out there for many, many years. I want to thank
Speaker 2: Amy Moore already for joining us on a beautiful, beautiful morning.
Speaker 2: She is inside X and commenting and she says this,
Speaker 2: I could actually show it. I mean, our team here
Speaker 2: could actually show it on the screen top of the
Speaker 2: morning to your guard always love it when you host.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. And our
Speaker 2: fellow liberty conspirator who goes by I can't believe is
Speaker 2: greeting us this morning, Big G. Always a pleasure, Bud.
Speaker 2: What a way to start filling in for David Knight.
Speaker 2: And again I hope you'll support the program. You can
Speaker 2: contribute on Rumble on Rockfinn and he has a lot
Speaker 2: of really cool stuff on subscribe Star. They're thinking about
Speaker 2: doing some changes there. Just go to Ddavidnightshow dot com
Speaker 2: for all of the links. So let's see what's on
Speaker 2: tap for today, ten twenty five, twenty four, my friends
Speaker 2: on the David Knight Show. I come over from MRCTV
Speaker 2: and I get to offer, hopefully what is good gris
Speaker 2: for the mental mill. We're looking at salvaging reputations. The
Speaker 2: UK Center for Countering Digital Hate has been cited again
Speaker 2: for internal documents showing political plans. In the United States,
Speaker 2: we heard a few days ago about Twitter slash X
Speaker 2: internal documents being exposed about their plans to try to
Speaker 2: bring down X. Then just last night I saw the
Speaker 2: breaking news and had to make sure that I included
Speaker 2: it in the conversation today on David's show, because we're
Speaker 2: hearing about new exposure of new documents about none other
Speaker 2: than RFK Junior looking at him as a potential threat
Speaker 2: for the election. But I thought it was bad to
Speaker 2: have all that Russian interference, and clearly this has gotta
Speaker 2: be Russian in it. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, I guess
Speaker 2: I don't win at the game. I'll get that Rice AEROI,
Speaker 2: the San Francisco treat and the parting prizes for being wrong. No,
Speaker 2: it's UK interference because the organizer and founder of the
Speaker 2: Center Countering Digital Hate is very closely allied with the
Speaker 2: Labor Party leader, Keir Starmer. Oh wonderful. Just warms the
Speaker 2: cockles of the heart, doesn't it. Absolutely. Our second story
Speaker 2: is going to be about the Atlantic Magazine otherwise known
Speaker 2: as the Atlantic Council Magazine, because it's sort of their
Speaker 2: their bow of the ship that the magazine of course
Speaker 2: goes after Donald Trump on a story that comes from
Speaker 2: someone that doesn't seem to have been supported by anybody,
Speaker 2: mister Kelly. And we have pop media figures like John
Speaker 2: Brennan talking about how evil Donald Trump is with this
Speaker 2: non supported statement about Hitler and saying that, of course
Speaker 2: he's a fascist. Well, I guess it takes one to
Speaker 2: know one, doesn't it, Mister Brennan, mister drone killer with Obama.
Speaker 2: Mister hey, we've got the Russian collusion story. That hunter
Speaker 2: Biden laptop was clearly has all the ear marks as
Speaker 2: they say, of Russian collusion. Okay, mister Brennan, sure thing.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that the old dinosaur media trots you
Speaker 2: out there every once in a while, pulls you out
Speaker 2: of the mothballs. We'll talk about that, and then we'll
Speaker 2: talk about some larger questions as to is it actually
Speaker 2: appropriate to say that almost everything the US government does
Speaker 2: is fascist in some way? My answer, quick answer, yes
Speaker 2: it is. Well, also, look at Harris's town hall, the
Speaker 2: Herodin version of the town hall. We'll look at Blincoln
Speaker 2: nodding to Israel to attack Iran and BLM money woes.
Speaker 2: Got to talk about this on Liberty Conspiracy last night.
Speaker 2: Black Lives Matter. I know it's shocking with all those
Speaker 2: free bricks they laid out there for anti fund Black
Speaker 2: Lives Matter a few years ago in places like Portland,
Speaker 2: how could they have gone? I know, gone into some
Speaker 2: sort of financial troubles. And I know, you know Patricia Colores,
Speaker 2: but she had those houses. I mean that must mean
Speaker 2: they're swimming and oh she's swimming in dull Again, I
Speaker 2: don't win at the game show. I'll get the rice
Speaker 2: Aarni our sixth story if we can get to it.
Speaker 2: US and UK tried to pay off petroleum workers in
Speaker 2: the UK and the United States separately. The governments that
Speaker 2: have been attacking coal and natural gas in the United
Speaker 2: States are trying to pay off the people they've displaced
Speaker 2: from work with Yes, you got it, my friends, governments
Speaker 2: subsidized green jobs. It was a beautiful day. It's still
Speaker 2: a beautiful day. We're gonna turn their political frowns upside down.
Speaker 2: And then our guests that in the ten o'clock hour
Speaker 2: got to have a great conversation. And I teased this
Speaker 2: last night on Liberty Conspiracy with one of my mentors,
Speaker 2: the man behind Borderlands Publishing, a multiple bram Stoker Award winner,
Speaker 2: but they tried to revoke his bram Stoker Awards when
Speaker 2: he got internal documents that actually showed that they are
Speaker 2: using prejudice skin color, gender identity, gender identity, and the
Speaker 2: x y xx chromosomal differential to decide who gets into
Speaker 2: slots to be considered for the annual Bram Stoker Award.
Speaker 2: He's got it. He sent me the PDF. I'll show
Speaker 2: it during our pre recorded conversation that we got to
Speaker 2: have last night, and in the eleven o'clock hour that'll
Speaker 2: be a ten. And in the eleven o'clock hour, Eric
Speaker 2: Peters will be joining us on the program on the
Speaker 2: David Knight Show. We welcome one and all. I am
Speaker 2: so glad that we get to get together on David's
Speaker 2: program and hopefully I'm doing an okay job. Let's check
Speaker 2: in on the chats and say hello to everybody in
Speaker 2: my first home, which was Rockvin where they accepted me
Speaker 2: to do my streaming show. Of course, I was doing
Speaker 2: MRCTV work over there before, and I have to say,
Speaker 2: you know, the MRCTV folks and I have different opinions
Speaker 2: on things like the US government weapons support going to
Speaker 2: Israel and things like that. We originally had different opinions
Speaker 2: on the centralized command and control federal government's control of
Speaker 2: the borders, which is not in the constitution. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that. The word immigration isn't in the constitution. It
Speaker 2: was a state issue until a Supreme Court decision in
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy five just basically created it out of thin
Speaker 2: air to say, oh, the Feds can do this. And
Speaker 2: in fact, as I've mentioned before on David Show, you
Speaker 2: can look in the Texas Constitution that was adopted in
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty nine and they actually had a Bureau of
Speaker 2: Immigration in there. The Supreme Court case that ruined everything,
Speaker 2: much like the Roe v. Wade case for abortion on
Speaker 2: that issue, was called Chi Lung chy l U n
Speaker 2: g Chi Lung v. Freeman, so you can check that out.
Speaker 2: I want to say hi inside Rock Finn, our first
Speaker 2: home after MRCTV. But the MRCTV people were very, very
Speaker 2: nice because originally we had different opinions on the immigration issue.
Speaker 2: But now editor Britney Hughes actually approaches me to talk
Speaker 2: about those issues, so that's cool. Maybe I can convince
Speaker 2: him on a few other things too. Inside Rock Finn,
Speaker 2: I want to say hi to Dustin Helm, little Ford Schoolhouse, Hello,
Speaker 2: and Octo Spook, Hello, dougalug Hello. Going through a few
Speaker 2: I'm probably missing a number of folks. And also I
Speaker 2: want to say hi to the good folks inside the
Speaker 2: chat on Rumble for David's program, So feel free to recirculate,
Speaker 2: repopulate a lot of good people. I see Sicata is
Speaker 2: Sicata seventy is in there. Gustave seven sounds like a
Speaker 2: sounds like a rocket. They flew the Gustave seven and
Speaker 2: Apossum King and a number of other folks there. I
Speaker 2: always call that the fruit striped gum colors because it
Speaker 2: looks like fruit stripe gum. So let's get started, everybody
Speaker 2: on my program. Oftentimes, what I try to do is
Speaker 2: we cover many of these breaking stories as we look
Speaker 2: at the UK Center for Countering Digital Hate and so on.
Speaker 2: I often do this. I play a little segment from
Speaker 2: a film that I did, an independent film that was
Speaker 2: called Skippy Benderman, where I played a master of disguise
Speaker 2: Frank Harker, along with my big muscle bound friend Spike.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he went by Spike, who played Alan Granny
Speaker 2: Liquor Spindle, and we were escapees and masters of disguise.
Speaker 2: And so we approach a home. It's actually on Gardner
Speaker 2: Street in Massachusetts. This is how I start things off
Speaker 2: with the news flash.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh hello, hello, We're Mary's parents.
Speaker 4: Oh we.
Speaker 3: Hold the second Mary's parents ben to death last year.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I know you guys. You're from the
Speaker 3: New Splash.
Speaker 2: All right, Yes, I was the guy at all the
Speaker 2: white face paind. So let's take a quick look at
Speaker 2: some of these major breaking stories. First off, let's discuss
Speaker 2: the breaking story about the CCD H. You know, I
Speaker 2: gotta say, I don't know how they're going to be
Speaker 2: salvaging their reputation, but they clearly are showing themselves to
Speaker 2: be I think, not exactly the most trustworthy people when
Speaker 2: it comes to things like guarding over so called digital hate,
Speaker 2: because when it comes to digital hate, I don't think
Speaker 2: they'll be able to answer any sort of salvage in
Speaker 2: any way to bring back their reputations, even if Sanford
Speaker 2: and Son were involved. I didn't know until a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago that Quincy Jones wrote that song, and
Speaker 2: what a great I love that theme song. And this
Speaker 2: one is coming to us from the Daily Skeptic. This
Speaker 2: is the earlier story. Now we've got the other shoe
Speaker 2: that has dropped. I think this might be an octopus
Speaker 2: with a lot more shoes dropping. On the twenty third
Speaker 2: of October, we heard about how the group called the
Speaker 2: Center for Countering Digital Hate was exposed for having internal
Speaker 2: documents that said on their item agenda kill Musk's Twitter.
Speaker 2: So just some background again leaked documents. This is from
Speaker 2: a few days ago. Leaked documents for the Center from
Speaker 2: the Center for Countering Digital Hate over in the UK,
Speaker 2: the censorship outfit founded by Keir Starmer's new chief of staff,
Speaker 2: Morgan McSweeney, show the group plans to kill Musk's Twitter
Speaker 2: while strengthening ties with Democrats like Senator Amy Klobashar, who
Speaker 2: has not commented. So inside the documents you can see
Speaker 2: as you enlarge it, you can actually see that part
Speaker 2: of their agenda is right there, kill Musk's Twitter. Okay,
Speaker 2: maybe you might want to go back to the drawing
Speaker 2: board because I think maybe the idea of digital hate
Speaker 2: is sort of lost on you. So that was the
Speaker 2: first shoe to drop. Now, let's talk about the other
Speaker 2: story that came out last night, because again yep, they're
Speaker 2: being exposed. Here it is this comes from greenmed Info exposed.
Speaker 2: CCdh CEO Imrn Ahmed orders black ops against RFK junior
Speaker 2: in shocking memo leak. Here it is, Yeah, Imran Ahmed,
Speaker 2: CEO of CCdh RFK black ops being set up to
Speaker 2: look at RFK nervousness about the impact of him on
Speaker 2: the election. Now, I'm a voluntarist. I don't believe. In fact,
Speaker 2: I know that there is no such thing as a
Speaker 2: legitimate political control over someone else. That doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2: The police is involuntary, it's funded involuntarily, it forces people
Speaker 2: to pay for it. So I'm not involved with putting
Speaker 2: someone into that office. I don't pick sides on either
Speaker 2: one of these instances with Kamala Harris or Donald Trump
Speaker 2: leading the pack for the Dems and the GOP, but
Speaker 2: I do think that there is something to be said
Speaker 2: as we come along to the election that maybe, just
Speaker 2: maybe some folks who are interested in the races are
Speaker 2: probably paying attention to this. Imron Ahmed, CEO of the
Speaker 2: UK based CCdh, has been exposed in a leaked memo
Speaker 2: admitting to orchestrating a black ops campaign against RFKA Junior.
Speaker 2: Also probably not cool when you are the head of
Speaker 2: the Center for Countering Digital Hate and you are claiming
Speaker 2: that you are engaging in a black ops campaign against
Speaker 2: the sun of a man who was assassinated and also
Speaker 2: could not get the federal protection for himself when he
Speaker 2: was running for president. Not that I want to force
Speaker 2: my neighbor to pay for any of that. That's the
Speaker 2: point here. It is these revelations come from the same
Speaker 2: leaked document that contained the now infamous Kill Musk's Twitter
Speaker 2: directive many pages down. Involvement of a foreign organization and
Speaker 2: potentially covert operations to undermine a US candidate raises legal questions,
Speaker 2: you think, including violations of US election law, the First Amendment,
Speaker 2: and the Foreign Interference statutes like FARA. Well, I'll just
Speaker 2: mention that FARA actually runs counter to the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: There's nothing in the First Amendment other than Congress shall
Speaker 2: make no law abridging the freedom of speech, religion, freedom
Speaker 2: of the press, or freedom of association to ask for
Speaker 2: redress of grievances. Okay, it doesn't apply just to Americans
Speaker 2: that the federal government will come up with no such laws.
Speaker 2: If you're a foreigner and you want to be critical
Speaker 2: of the United States, even if I know, even if
Speaker 2: you're people who work for RT and you want to
Speaker 2: pay Tim Poole or Dave Rubins to do video work
Speaker 2: for you, you have no there will be no blocks put
Speaker 2: on you by Congress according to that document that they
Speaker 2: swear to uphold. So there you go. I know it's
Speaker 2: a little little rough now. I know some people have
Speaker 2: a lot of different opinions about Elon Musk, you know,
Speaker 2: and they think he's playing the long game, that he's
Speaker 2: part of the technocracy and so on. David's brought it
Speaker 2: up many times. Is familial background and so on. They
Speaker 2: think that this is a long game theater as we
Speaker 2: just saw. Thank you team. So in comment over on X,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, the way I take it,
Speaker 2: I don't come down with a judgment one way or
Speaker 2: the other. I look at what he's done, which is
Speaker 2: he's accepted government loans that's unconstitutional. He has been in
Speaker 2: conversations with Donald Trump about reducing the size of government,
Speaker 2: and literally in the next minute and a half they
Speaker 2: talk about how great it will be to have federal government,
Speaker 2: federal government funding rockets and special so called freedom cities.
Speaker 2: How ironic is that. So he understands what causes price increases,
Speaker 2: which is the inflation of the money supply, especially from
Speaker 2: a central bank that is buying up the US treasuries
Speaker 2: to keep supplying the money because the taxes aren't sufficient
Speaker 2: to do so, so he understands those things. He puts
Speaker 2: up a good game talking about those things Elon Musk,
Speaker 2: and he has opened Twitter a lot more. I know
Speaker 2: that for sure, not completely, as we'll hear from Eric
Speaker 2: Peters later, which is one of the great reasons why
Speaker 2: I wanted to get him in today on David's show,
Speaker 2: because Eric has been doing a lot of work on this,
Speaker 2: so the jury's out. But I take each instance as
Speaker 2: it goes along. I don't want to be compartmentalized about
Speaker 2: these people. I sort of want to draw in and
Speaker 2: eventually sort of evaluate. But over time, as I see
Speaker 2: that they're consistently doing good things, I say, Okay, on balance,
Speaker 2: this person is doing good things. I don't completely trust him.
Speaker 2: It's like Tucker Carlson, right again, why didn't he leave
Speaker 2: Fox News earlier? Why didn't he speak up? I understand
Speaker 2: he tried to be a little deft when he brought
Speaker 2: up the my Pillow analogy and then he left. But
Speaker 2: you know, again, I've worked I've worked at radio stations
Speaker 2: where they literally told me don't be critical of the
Speaker 2: governor of the state. And I said, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. So you do
Speaker 2: what you could do. And of course they fired me,
Speaker 2: so you know, but that doesn't mean that I won't
Speaker 2: take some of the things that some of these other
Speaker 2: people are saying and say, Okay, that's valuable. I think
Speaker 2: that's worthwhile. I want to get it out to people.
Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely, and yeah, here we go. This is
Speaker 2: another one from Free Thinking fl Mom. Yeah, Elon believes
Speaker 2: in a digital cage, not free speech. And we're gonna
Speaker 2: hear more from that. I want to get Eric Peters's
Speaker 2: opinions on that. So I thought that that was interesting
Speaker 2: coming from the Center for Countering Digital Hate. Right right now,
Speaker 2: when we talk about hate, what is one of the
Speaker 2: big things that they've used on Donald Trump over and
Speaker 2: over again, and is it actually applicable at least in
Speaker 2: a political philosophical sense. Well, there's a Boston band you
Speaker 2: might know about. They're pretty darn okay. They were called
Speaker 2: The Unnatural Acts, and many years ago they did a
Speaker 2: song called they Saved Hitler's Brain. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and whether or not he is a big
Speaker 2: fan of Hitler.
Speaker 3: They saved they say brain, they say brain, They saved
Speaker 3: Liz Brain.
Speaker 2: I got to see them about forty years later and
Speaker 2: they ripped it out. It was great. It was so
Speaker 2: much fun to see the unnatural acts. Because I was
Speaker 2: too young to actually get into any of the rock
Speaker 2: clubs to see him when I was a kid, but
Speaker 2: I used to hear him on Boston radio. We were
Speaker 2: just on the fringes, you know. That was when you
Speaker 2: actually had to get things through the radio waves, and
Speaker 2: they were just down the fringes of our reception, so
Speaker 2: you'd be like standing there, you know, trying to do
Speaker 2: the antenna in the right direction, just like television. But
Speaker 2: I got to hear the unnatural accent. I will write
Speaker 2: it down and write down all the good bands on
Speaker 2: the back of my notebook. So okay. The Trump Kamala cartoon,
Speaker 2: as we know the Atlantic, has inspired many conservatives to
Speaker 2: come out and defend Donald Trump without I think, looking
Speaker 2: critically at some of Donald Trump's fascist ideas, like oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, getting the government to put out jabs
Speaker 2: with corporations backing him, starting up so called emergency powers
Speaker 2: in March of twenty twenty two that he doesn't have
Speaker 2: sitting inside a third of Syria. Even though he didn't
Speaker 2: start new wars, he didn't end them occupying Afghanistan. I
Speaker 2: had the best plan to get ad Afghanistan, but you
Speaker 2: he didn't do it, Donald, you didn't do it. And
Speaker 2: of all things, recently talking about how people at Fox
Speaker 2: News they shouldn't be allowed to put on that conversation
Speaker 2: with Kamala Harris, when previously people like Rachel Maddow had
Speaker 2: accused Donald Trump of being like Hitler and wanting to
Speaker 2: shut down journalism, which was an empty accusation simply applied
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump because he called the pop media the
Speaker 2: enemy of the American people, which I think is one
Speaker 2: of the many enemies of the American people, right. But
Speaker 2: in addition to that, I believe the polis is the
Speaker 2: enemy of anybody. It's just one group trying to take
Speaker 2: advantage of another group. But now people like Rachel Maddow
Speaker 2: actually can say that he wants to shut down free
Speaker 2: speech and journalism because he's given them the ammunition. Talk
Speaker 2: about lacking intellectual ammunition. So first, let's discuss a couple
Speaker 2: things you're probably familiar with. Viva Fry. Viva Fry I
Speaker 2: thought did a pretty darn good job yesterday covering the
Speaker 2: appearance of the Dronemeister and King talking about mister Kelly's
Speaker 2: accusations in an Atlantic article that Donald Trump praised Hitler. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't want to necessarily draw out equivalencies, but who
Speaker 2: is one of the big, big heroes for the left
Speaker 2: of the twentieth century. It's FDR, who was a big,
Speaker 2: big fan of Joseph Stalin, who literally had an eye
Speaker 2: collection on his desk. That's Joseph Stalin, Yes, FDR, and
Speaker 2: many on his staff. And if you get a chance,
Speaker 2: check out Amity Schley's wonderful book called The Forgotten Man,
Speaker 2: because in the first chapter she talks about how they're
Speaker 2: on a train praising Stalin. Okay, so methinks that the
Speaker 2: people who admire FDR maybe don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: solid ground beneath them when they're critical of this statement,
Speaker 2: which is uncorroborated that Donald Trump claimed to have said,
Speaker 2: can't we get generals like Hitler had? Okay, let's turn
Speaker 2: to the Canadian lawyer and a great great fighter against
Speaker 2: the lockdowns in Canada, Viva Fry, and hear what he
Speaker 2: had to say, because he throws in one of the
Speaker 2: men who is one of the political banes of my existence,
Speaker 2: the drone killer in in residence for for pop Media
Speaker 2: John Brennan, who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths,
Speaker 2: including Americans like Solomony on Um not Solomony was it?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: I can't remember his name. I happed to look it up.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: An American, his son and his daughter that they drone
Speaker 2: killed overseas, totally extra judicial murder. Here is the commentary
Speaker 2: about the rumor about Donald Trump. It's just ridiculous, but
Speaker 2: I think it's it's valuable because it opens up a
Speaker 2: little window for a lesson about the way the American
Speaker 2: government actually operates nowadays. Let's let's see here.
Speaker 7: It's it's remember the same play over and over again
Speaker 7: by the same players who are the filth of the earth.
Speaker 8: This is not surprising at all. We have seen this
Speaker 8: continuous prayer.
Speaker 7: John Kelly deep state, extraordinary warhorror, intelligence, pain in the asset.
Speaker 7: John Kelly says Trump said Hitler did some good things.
Speaker 7: Let me let me steal it. Let me steal man
Speaker 7: this for a second. Everybody has made the joke. Everybody
Speaker 7: has made the joke. Well, at least you know, as
Speaker 7: they say, Mussolini made the trains run on time. I
Speaker 7: think it was Mussolini, but then they also transposed it
Speaker 7: for Hitler. Everybody has made that joke at some point
Speaker 7: in their lives. Therefore, anybody who made that joke, someone
Speaker 7: can say, oh my goodness, that person complimented Hitler. Everybody
Speaker 7: has also made the joke. Will Hitler drank coffee, and
Speaker 7: then someone can say he made it. He made a
Speaker 7: flattering comment about Hitler.
Speaker 2: John Kelly, who.
Speaker 7: I'm sure you can trust, says Trump said Hitler did
Speaker 7: some good things.
Speaker 2: And who's this dude on the right. Oh, I won't
Speaker 2: spoil it for you.
Speaker 4: This is not surprising at all.
Speaker 8: We have seen this continuous pattern over the course of
Speaker 8: many years of Donald Trump endorsing individuals such as a Hitler,
Speaker 8: disparage in the US military.
Speaker 2: Endorsing Hitler. I've I've never heard him endorse Hitler. I've
Speaker 2: never heard all right, so let's just pause it there
Speaker 2: so again, I think John Brennan is one of the
Speaker 2: most obnoxious, unctuous pieces of political filth to have ever
Speaker 2: ever gone into Washington, d C. He is evil incarnate.
Speaker 2: He is a mass murderer, and if he wants to,
Speaker 2: assuming we can go into it, not a problem. Totally
Speaker 2: extra judicial drone strikes. The guy was an avowed communist,
Speaker 2: got into the CIA, worked in the Middle East, then
Speaker 2: became part of the deep state that pushed the Russian collusion.
Speaker 2: Canard also was the was the main guy behind the
Speaker 2: fifty one. Intelligence agencies say that the Hunter Biden laptop
Speaker 2: has all the ear marks of Russian propaganda, when of
Speaker 2: course the possession of it at the computer shop had
Speaker 2: been validated, the internal information of it was validated, and
Speaker 2: all that was going on was the FBI was asking
Speaker 2: the New York Times, please don't talk about this why,
Speaker 2: just like the Center for Countering Digital Hate. Behind the scenes,
Speaker 2: they were saying, we want this guy to get in
Speaker 2: rather than this guy to get in. Okay, So now again,
Speaker 2: whether or not one supports Donald Trump or they think
Speaker 2: Donald Trump is some great part of a giant and
Speaker 2: a Gelian dialectic, I don't know. But that man, that
Speaker 2: man on the screen, actually both men on the screen
Speaker 2: are people I would never ever trust in my life.
Speaker 2: And John Brennan should be in prison, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Good job, and I felt great satisfaction seeing Viva Fry
Speaker 2: just go off about John Brennan. But there's something else
Speaker 2: about this that I want to give to you that
Speaker 2: you know, there's something sentimental that I think is valuable
Speaker 2: to bring up about this story from from this terrible
Speaker 2: story from the Atlantic. And so I want to turn
Speaker 2: to the Federalist on this, and I often don't quote
Speaker 2: the Federalists. They're they're very much in favor of the
Speaker 2: United States backing Israel with weapons and things like that.
Speaker 2: They're very pro Trump. But I want to mention this.
Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I should mention also John Brennan.
Speaker 2: John Brennan was never called out by Donald Trump for
Speaker 2: the things that easily Donald Trump could have called him
Speaker 2: out for. To leave a preposition dangling, like mass murder
Speaker 2: with drones, why Donald Trump was engaging in drones strikes
Speaker 2: as well, right at the same time that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: was listening to Mike Pompeo, and Mike Pompeo was, according
Speaker 2: to most reports that I've seen, plotting to assassinate Julian Assange.
Speaker 2: And he's still listening to advisors who are connected to
Speaker 2: John Brennan. With this unsubstantiated claim that Iranians were trying
Speaker 2: to assassinate Donald Trump. That came from a woman who
Speaker 2: had been who's very close with John Brennan. Why in
Speaker 2: the world do you want to get within one hundred
Speaker 2: miles of these people, I don't know. And by the way,
Speaker 2: when it comes to Julian Assange, I know that some
Speaker 2: Republicans don't seem to appreciate what Julian Assange did and
Speaker 2: what he went through after he exposed incredible wrongdoing by
Speaker 2: the US military. And you know Chelsea Manning of course
Speaker 2: then known as Bradley Manning, he had an oath to
Speaker 2: expose wrongdoing in the military war crimes. Otherwise he would
Speaker 2: have been guilty of a war crime. So getting getting
Speaker 2: that video op from Iraq from the guys of shooting
Speaker 2: shooting people reporters from an Apache helicopter, he had an
Speaker 2: oath to a sworn oath to expose that. And I'll
Speaker 2: just mentioned this very briefly about Julian Massange. My old
Speaker 2: roommate from college, Sean Naylor, and we were roommates when
Speaker 2: we did a journalism internship in Washington, d C. Sean
Speaker 2: was one of the three reporters who exposed the CIA
Speaker 2: spying on Julian Massage. We were roommates in college. You know,
Speaker 2: I used to bother him playing psychedelic for his music
Speaker 2: until he realized they were really, really awesome. So here
Speaker 2: is the Federalist coming from a slightly different perspective. Here
Speaker 2: are all the people on record debunking The Atlantic's latest
Speaker 2: Trump hoax. Now this isn't too again praise Donald Trump
Speaker 2: or anything, and I've got some good stuff from Jacob
Speaker 2: Hornberger to act actually expose the fact that many people
Speaker 2: are praising Donald Trump at the same time that they're
Speaker 2: ridiculing this unsubstantiated claim. Well, it turns out that many things,
Speaker 2: or most of the things that the United States does,
Speaker 2: are a mix of Marxism. That's of course, international communism, statism, socialism,
Speaker 2: and national socialism like Nazism. So here it is many
Speaker 2: people close to this situation immediately went on record to
Speaker 2: blast The Atlantic's allegations of falts and as being politically motivated.
Speaker 2: And we've got this. It's the same guy that about
Speaker 2: two weeks before the twenty twenty election did a similar thing.
Speaker 2: Shortly before the twenty twenty election, Atlantic editor in chief
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg, And of course the Atlantic is basically the
Speaker 2: spearhead for the Atlantic Council. So unless he gets in
Speaker 2: a lot of trouble, he's basically assured a job. It's
Speaker 2: not like another publication that has to just rely on
Speaker 2: subscribers and try to attract people. They're part of the
Speaker 2: Atlantic Council, the Atlantic Magazine. They're going to be perpetuated.
Speaker 2: So Goldberg published in twenty twenty a sensational, anonymously sourced
Speaker 2: rumor that then President Donald Trump had referred to soldiers
Speaker 2: in turn at Anstemarni American cemetery in France as suckers
Speaker 2: and losers. In response, twenty five people, fourteen of whom
Speaker 2: were with the president in France at the time, went
Speaker 2: on record to call the story a hoax and debunk
Speaker 2: its claims. One election cycle later, history is repeating itself.
Speaker 2: Two weeks before election day, with Trump on the upswing
Speaker 2: and all the joy vanished from the Kamala Harris campaign,
Speaker 2: Goldberg has once again found anonymous sources to accuse Trump
Speaker 2: of a schmorgshboard of outlandish comments, including a negative remark
Speaker 2: about a murdered Army soldier. Now this this is all
Speaker 2: part of the same attack on Trump again. I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to show the lack of journalistic ethics, the lack
Speaker 2: of sourcing, and of course the games people play as
Speaker 2: the spinners might have sung, and once again, multiple and
Speaker 2: credible on the record denials immediately undermined the story. So
Speaker 2: here is the first phase that they discuss. Goldberg's hatch
Speaker 2: job begins with a retelling of Trump's interactions with the
Speaker 2: family of murdered Army specialist Vanessa Gyann, interactions which were
Speaker 2: so respectful and personal that even Goldberg couldn't make them
Speaker 2: sound anything but gracious. Then Goldberg claims, without citing a source,
Speaker 2: that Trump later angrily refused to pay Gianne's funeral expenses, saying, quote,
Speaker 2: it doesn't cost sixty thousand bucks to bury an effing
Speaker 2: Mexican end quote, according to this writer, Goldberg, as the
Speaker 2: piece in The Atlantic, continues, gold again without attribution, claims
Speaker 2: Trump wished for quote the kind of generals that Hitler
Speaker 2: had end quote. Not until paragraph twenty four does Goldberg
Speaker 2: even kind of attribute any accusations to a named source,
Speaker 2: citing claims in a book written about Trump that alleged
Speaker 2: the president once asked his former chief of staff, John Kelly,
Speaker 2: why can't you be like the German generals. Goldberg goes
Speaker 2: on to include more salacious snippets he attributed to Kelly.
Speaker 2: Kelly has made no secret of his disdain for Trump. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Goldberg reached out to multiple people intimately familiar with Trump's
Speaker 2: interactions with the Giant family, and they went on record
Speaker 2: to deny the accusations. More publicly, Moore ended up publicly
Speaker 2: calling out this man after the piece was published. So far,
Speaker 2: nine people have gone on record to debunk Goldberg's outrageous claims.
Speaker 2: One of them, Myra Gianne, said through her lawyer that
Speaker 2: sister Vanessa Gan's sister Myra gave a statement saying I
Speaker 2: am beyond grateful for all the support President Donald Trump
Speaker 2: showed our family during a trying time. Eyewitnessed firsthand how
Speaker 2: President Trump honors our nation's hero's service. Okay, we're going
Speaker 2: to pause there for a quick moment. If you're in
Speaker 2: the military and there's no declared war and they're deploying
Speaker 2: you somewhere, there's a problem. If it's outside the United States,
Speaker 2: there's a major problem. That they even called the US
Speaker 2: military the branches, the Army and the Air Force. There
Speaker 2: is supposed to be the US Navy according to their constitution,
Speaker 2: and the militia, not the National Guard, not the US Army,
Speaker 2: not the Marines, not the special forces X nay on
Speaker 2: all that, those are all fantasy terms anybody. And this
Speaker 2: is the thing again, I'm anna kiss Christian. I believe
Speaker 2: that government is illegitimate, the state. I believe that it
Speaker 2: is immoral to force my neighbor to pay for his
Speaker 2: own protection. The force is the problem, doesn't matter, whatever canards.
Speaker 2: There's excuses I come up with to say, you better
Speaker 2: pay now because this threat is really bad, so give
Speaker 2: us your money. Again, that is immoral and practically, how
Speaker 2: do we know whether that guy wanted to spend that
Speaker 2: money on that, how much of it he wanted, whether
Speaker 2: or not it's actually going to provide him with protection,
Speaker 2: just as to people in New York on nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: people in Pennsylvania the Pentagon, you know, I mean yeah,
Speaker 2: we all know that it was solely solely some so
Speaker 2: called terrorists from Afghanistan. It was only then, right, But
Speaker 2: if we look at the protective idea, that's a canard.
Speaker 2: You have to adjudge how much protection you want, and
Speaker 2: you have no right to force someone else to pay
Speaker 2: for your protection, because of course that's an infringement of rights,
Speaker 2: which is aggression, which means you're engaging in tie protection.
Speaker 2: So you can see the circular, the philosophical circle on that.
Speaker 2: That's the qed the teutology, as they would say. So
Speaker 2: when they talk about the heroes, I do want to
Speaker 2: mention that when people thank the military for their service,
Speaker 2: what exactly are they doing there? I believe, and you know,
Speaker 2: I want to touch on this as softly as possible,
Speaker 2: but I would like to remind people. And I've spoken
Speaker 2: to guys being deployed in airports, They've had their their
Speaker 2: uniforms on. I've been in the terminals and I say,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I ask you a question? I
Speaker 2: said sure. I was like, you know, I noticed you're
Speaker 2: in your you know, you're in your outfit there and
Speaker 2: your your head now you got your your sand sand
Speaker 2: colored uh uh uh. You know military US military fatigues on.
Speaker 2: So tell me you swear and or to protect and
Speaker 2: defend the US Constitution. Yes, I do. There's no declaration
Speaker 2: of war, that's true. The US military can only be
Speaker 2: deployed and used by the president if there's a declaration
Speaker 2: of war that's true. Has a capital W means you
Speaker 2: don't kill civilians. You don't shoot people from an Apache
Speaker 2: helicopter as they're trying to rescue people that you just shot,
Speaker 2: you know, journalists in Iraq. You don't sit on oil
Speaker 2: in Syria. You don't try to topple governments. You don't
Speaker 2: engage like Victoria Neulan with CIA and special forces inside
Speaker 2: Ukraine to help train people. You don't give them weapons,
Speaker 2: all those things. There's no declared war, you don't have
Speaker 2: any official allies, and you're not defending the United States.
Speaker 2: So I said, you know, how do you feel that
Speaker 2: you're getting deployed overseas and there's no declaration of war?
Speaker 2: And I've asked this of at least three people that
Speaker 2: I can remember. Every one of them has given me
Speaker 2: the same answer, Well, I do what they tell me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say that's not your oath. Your oath
Speaker 2: is to abide by constitutional orders, lawful constitutional orders. If
Speaker 2: they're giving you an unconstitutional order, it's your duty to truth,
Speaker 2: to God and your own integrity to not comply. The
Speaker 2: more people who did that, the less often tragedies like
Speaker 2: this would happen. So they said, we're grateful for everything
Speaker 2: he has done and continues to do to support our troops.
Speaker 2: After the story was published, mayorgahanne blasted Goldberg for exploiting
Speaker 2: my sister's death for politics. And there's a lot more,
Speaker 2: but I'd like to show you a little bit of
Speaker 2: the reaction to this rumor from none other then you
Speaker 2: know who.
Speaker 9: The vice president and the Donald Trump's former chief of staff,
Speaker 9: John Kelly, a retired four star general, confirmed that wild
Speaker 9: Donald Trump was president. He said he wanted generals like
Speaker 9: Adolf Hitler had. Donald Trump said that because he does
Speaker 9: not want a military that is loyal to the United
Speaker 9: States Constitution.
Speaker 2: He's a deposit right there. She has the unmitigated gall
Speaker 2: to talk about being loyal to the United States Constitution.
Speaker 2: This a woman who wants to hand out twenty five
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to new home buyers. This a woman who
Speaker 2: hasn't lifted a finger to stop Anthony Blincoln promising another
Speaker 2: five billion dollars in military aid to the Israeli IDF
Speaker 2: Zionist government. And it is not antisemitic to criticize a
Speaker 2: polis in the generic form. So, and by the way,
Speaker 2: my last name's Goldsmith. I'm not Jewish, but I'll mention
Speaker 2: this again. I went to Boston University. The population there
Speaker 2: is like eighty something percent Jewish, and the things that
Speaker 2: I would hear some of the Zionists, the ash Kenazi
Speaker 2: Jews saying about the Semitic Palestinian people would turn your
Speaker 2: toes upside down. They literally would say they're nothing but animals.
Speaker 2: I heard that in the eighties at Boston University because
Speaker 2: they thought I was Jewish, so I guess they accepted
Speaker 2: me into their little cliques sometimes thinking they could say
Speaker 2: these things in classrooms and stuff. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the deal was, but this is a woman who literally
Speaker 2: is part of a regime that has drone killed people
Speaker 2: extra judicially, and that has continued to feed weapons to Ukraine,
Speaker 2: that has been involved in fascist subsidies to green corporations,
Speaker 2: and doesn't want you to know. Evidently the history that
Speaker 2: you know is not that long ago.
Speaker 9: Loyal to him. He wants in a military who will
Speaker 9: be loyal to him personally, one that will obey his
Speaker 9: orders even when he tells them to break the law
Speaker 9: or abandon their oath to the Constitution.
Speaker 2: Again, you know it's you don't even just continue.
Speaker 9: The United States. In just the past week, Donald Trump
Speaker 9: has repeatedly called his fellow Americans the enemy from within,
Speaker 9: and even said that he would use the United States
Speaker 9: military to go after American citizens. And let's be clear
Speaker 9: about who he considers to be the enemy from within.
Speaker 2: She's working with Joe Biden, who was Vice president with
Speaker 2: Barack Obama when Biden and Obama tried to use the
Speaker 2: Espionage Act to prosecute war whistleblowers and journalists than all
Speaker 2: presidents prior to them combined, going back to the passage
Speaker 2: of it in World War One. Ah, this is a
Speaker 2: rich dish. You want some gravy on top of that,
Speaker 2: lard and butter.
Speaker 10: Holy Molly, anyone who refuses to bend a knee or
Speaker 10: dares to criticize him would qualify in his mind as
Speaker 10: the enemy within.
Speaker 2: Okay, So does anybody remember what she just said a
Speaker 2: couple weeks ago when she was with Jake Tapper about
Speaker 2: social media sites if they don't conform to what the
Speaker 2: United States government thinks is proper speech. Oh man, Ah,
Speaker 2: they really hope that your memory is about as long
Speaker 2: as the lifespan of a flea. My goodness, just unbelievable.
Speaker 2: I see comments on X Freethinking fl Mom says, I
Speaker 2: feel peace that John Brennan will meet his maker one day.
Speaker 2: It's in God's hands, free thinking. I know what you mean.
Speaker 2: And of course the team here at the Liberty Conspiracy
Speaker 2: Studios also has this and bar and haspell oh great points.
Speaker 2: Trump surrounded himself with the swamp absolutely absolutely great points. Now,
Speaker 2: as another little example of just you know how much
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris evidently wants you to hear one thing but
Speaker 2: not here another thing based on where she is, Let's
Speaker 2: go to the CNN town hall, which in no way
Speaker 2: was prefabricated and trumped up and didn't already have the
Speaker 2: questioners selected. And I mentioned on my Liberty Conspiracy program
Speaker 2: in my book Live for You or Die, which is
Speaker 2: a collection of nonfiction essays, and there's short stories and
Speaker 2: a script that never got made when I was over
Speaker 2: at the Outer Limits in Vancouver. But I have an
Speaker 2: article that I wrote it called a Story of Two Forums,
Speaker 2: and it's about how when Al Gore was running against
Speaker 2: Bill Bradley for the Democrat nomination years ago, they had
Speaker 2: a town hall forum on Nightline with Ted Couple and
Speaker 2: he brought his little wood stand and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: My brother is an attorney and he was the head
Speaker 2: of the bar association in this town for a while.
Speaker 2: It sort of goes around Robin for different attorneys and stuff,
Speaker 2: and so he got, uh, he got a fax from
Speaker 2: ABC and they said, would you like to come to
Speaker 2: this town hall meeting with Bradley and so on? And
Speaker 2: they you know, they must have thought being a lawyer
Speaker 2: in that town he was a Democrat. I don't know.
Speaker 2: So so he said, hey, guard, I can't go. Would
Speaker 2: you like to go? And I said yeah, sure. So
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, you got to call his phone number.
Speaker 2: So I called the number and there's a nightline producer
Speaker 2: that calls you back or something I can't remember, and
Speaker 2: and he said yeah. He said, uh, he must have
Speaker 2: thought I was my brother. And so he said, oh,
Speaker 2: what question do you want to ask? And I thought, well,
Speaker 2: that's a curious thing to bring up in a phone.
Speaker 2: For what question? I just thought maybe it was just
Speaker 2: passing conversation. He was just being being, you know, loquacious
Speaker 2: or something. So I said, oh, well, you know, I'd
Speaker 2: like to ask these peeople how they can justify things
Speaker 2: like the Department of Education if they're swearing and all
Speaker 2: to the US Constitution. Its Oh no, that's that's much
Speaker 2: too in depth. I think I mentioned something maybe about
Speaker 2: the second amendment or something is no no, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, all right. So anyway, it came
Speaker 2: to the day to day for the thing, and I
Speaker 2: went over to this little college in Nashua and or
Speaker 2: as out of state. A radio advertisers called it Nashua.
Speaker 2: That's how you know if you're here an add in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire and they say Nashua. You know it was
Speaker 2: actually spoken. The narration came from somebody outside New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: So I go there early, about an hour early. And
Speaker 2: it's a theater with microphones and either aisle going down
Speaker 2: to the to the stage where they've got the podiums
Speaker 2: and ted couples, wooden you know, platform thing, and so
Speaker 2: I go and I noticed there aren't too many people
Speaker 2: there yet, and near the microphones there are these blue
Speaker 2: pieces of paper on the chair so it said for
Speaker 2: questioners or something. So I was like, oh, I want
Speaker 2: to ask a question. This is great. I got here
Speaker 2: early enough, I'm I'm going to be good. So I
Speaker 2: pick up the piece of paper, I sit down, and
Speaker 2: some person comes down from ABC and he says, are
Speaker 2: you one of the questioners. I was like, well, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to I have a question that I'd like
Speaker 2: to ask. Yeah, he says, no, are you one of
Speaker 2: the questioners? I was like, well, what do you mean.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, you know, the people asking questions, they've
Speaker 2: already been selected. I was like what he says, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, they arrived at four this afternoon. They're in
Speaker 2: the other room, so they already had selected the questions
Speaker 2: based on the phone calls they flagged the people. It
Speaker 2: was all pre fabricated, but they called it a nightline
Speaker 2: town hall, right, So we got to be entertained by
Speaker 2: such wonderful and insightful questions that just showed great cognition
Speaker 2: about do you support a man mission of mine? And
Speaker 2: I know it wasn't Elon Musk asking the question while
Speaker 2: I was asking questions about the functionality of how they're
Speaker 2: going about making the US government completely veer away even
Speaker 2: more and more from what they swear ohs to uphold
Speaker 2: their constitution, even the very concept of having a written constitution.
Speaker 2: So the second forum was in Manchester, New Hampshire. Actually
Speaker 2: it was darry, New Hampshire on a local TV station
Speaker 2: where Eric Shiner of MRCTV was working, and he called
Speaker 2: me up. He said, hey, guard, you know we're having
Speaker 2: a forum. Would you like to come over. Bill Bradley's
Speaker 2: going to be there, senator from New Jersey who's running
Speaker 2: against Gore, And I said sure. He goes, yeah, I
Speaker 2: figure you probably have a pretty good question that you
Speaker 2: might want to ask. So I got there. It was
Speaker 2: open to the public, people could walk in. I sat down,
Speaker 2: and the question I asked Bill Bradley. He clearly didn't like,
Speaker 2: because I said, Senator Bradley, many people try to justify
Speaker 2: further expansion of the US government and things like education
Speaker 2: or welfare by claiming the Constitution is what they call
Speaker 2: a living document or relying on Supreme Court precedent to
Speaker 2: claim that that is the new reading. Since that leaves states,
Speaker 2: businesses and individuals' rights open to judicial or congressional whim,
Speaker 2: do you think that that is justified? And if you
Speaker 2: do think that reading anything into it is justified, why
Speaker 2: do you think that the founders put an amendment process
Speaker 2: in there? And do you think that there's really no
Speaker 2: reason to even bother having a written constitution? So he
Speaker 2: sort of blinked, because, you know, as I mentioned on
Speaker 2: my show the other night, you know, I had sort
Speaker 2: of figured out what his possible answers were going to
Speaker 2: be and closed off those doors. I had plugged up
Speaker 2: all those little holes in the in the dyke, and
Speaker 2: so he sort of blinked. He had to think about
Speaker 2: it for a second. He goes, well, I consider myself
Speaker 2: a child of the Declaration of Independence, and I believe
Speaker 2: that government is there to provide us with life, liberty,
Speaker 2: and the pursuit of happiness. And I believe in life,
Speaker 2: liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and I believe that
Speaker 2: in these days, government is there to give us these
Speaker 2: things like, oh, okay, you kind of flipped what Thomas
Speaker 2: Jefferson wrote, But whatever, Okay, thank you. I think you
Speaker 2: sort of exposed yourself to a lot of people there.
Speaker 2: Let's hear Kamala Harris. And remember she talked about how
Speaker 2: Donald Trump doesn't like judges, He wants to control the courts,
Speaker 2: this sort of thing, wants everybody to answer to him.
Speaker 2: This is what she said in her statement. And now
Speaker 2: we get this from the CNN town Hall.
Speaker 9: Increasingly or losing confidence in the Supreme Court, and in
Speaker 9: large part because of the behavior of certain members of
Speaker 9: that Court and because of certain rulings, including the Dobbs
Speaker 9: decision and taking away a precedent that had been in
Speaker 9: place for fifty years protecting a woman's right to make
Speaker 9: decisions about her own body.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know there are about eight million canards
Speaker 2: in that, because if she's making a decision about her
Speaker 2: own body, then you're not stopping another human being from existing,
Speaker 2: are you. Life begins at conception. The human who is
Speaker 2: created has separate DNA from the parents. The fetus is human,
Speaker 2: the fetus is being. The fourteenth Amendment requires that any
Speaker 2: state that has statutes, and it's supposed to be a
Speaker 2: state issue abortion. The Dobs decision was correct. This again
Speaker 2: coming from a Christian anarchist here. I don't support any polis,
Speaker 2: but I'll remind them of their rules. The Constitution leaves
Speaker 2: the punishment for capital murder up to the states. It's
Speaker 2: possible that the states might never have any statutes punishing
Speaker 2: people for committing capital murder. But if they've got statutes
Speaker 2: that punish people for committing murder and taking the life
Speaker 2: of another human being, the Fourteenth Amendment equal protection not
Speaker 2: equal treatment. Equal protection clause requires that the states protect
Speaker 2: people equally. So if someone takes the life of a
Speaker 2: human being, who's seventeen years old working at a seven
Speaker 2: to eleven behind the counter, and the state prosecutes that person.
Speaker 2: But a doctor takes the life on hire from our
Speaker 2: tax money with planned parenthood or somebody else going in
Speaker 2: and paying for it for an abortion, that also is
Speaker 2: the taking of a human life. The fourteenth Amendment would
Speaker 2: require all states to equally protect all human beings. It's
Speaker 2: not about a woman's right to choose about her own life.
Speaker 2: It's not about privacy, because if you can use that argument,
Speaker 2: then murder inside your own home is clearly acceptable, and
Speaker 2: if you do it somewhere where nobody sees it, that's
Speaker 2: clearly acceptable too, because you can do it privately. You
Speaker 2: can hire somebody to kill somebody else in a room,
Speaker 2: right and then sell their body parts. Center Medical Progress
Speaker 2: has done a great job covering that stuff. So this
Speaker 2: is just amazing that evidently the Democrats really don't want
Speaker 2: folks to know about this astounding hypocrisy. But let's take
Speaker 2: one final glance at fascism. Jacob Hornberger of the Future
Speaker 2: of Freedom Foundation writes with this rather salacious headline, what's
Speaker 2: wrong with admiring Hitler? Obviously he's being sarcastic, but he
Speaker 2: notes this. According to an article in The New York Times,
Speaker 2: former Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, who also served as
Speaker 2: Donald Trump's longest serving chief O staff, confirmed previous reports
Speaker 2: that mister Trump had made admiring statements about Hitler. Kelly
Speaker 2: made the statement in the context of discussing Trump's authoritarian proclivities.
Speaker 2: Trump isn't the only one, though. According to an article
Speaker 2: in The Daily Mail, a fifth of gen Z Americans
Speaker 2: twelve to twenty seven years of age believed that Hitler
Speaker 2: had some good ideas. All right, that's not necessarily the
Speaker 2: important thing. What Jacob brings up is not the Holocaust
Speaker 2: period of Hitler's reign, but the decade of the nineteen
Speaker 2: thirties when mister Hitler was serving as Chancellor of Germany.
Speaker 2: How do American statists feel about the pre war, pre
Speaker 2: Holocaust Hitler, He says, Let's consider some of Hitler's positions. First,
Speaker 2: Hitler was a big supporter of social security, which is
Speaker 2: a socialist program that is near and dear to the
Speaker 2: hearts of every American statist. Why even reform oriented libertarians
Speaker 2: favored the continuation of this socialist program for at least
Speaker 2: one generation and possibly longer. In fact, the concept of
Speaker 2: social security originated in Germany, and so it's no surprise
Speaker 2: that Hitler would favor it, especially given that his philosophy
Speaker 2: was based on national socialism. The concept was made part
Speaker 2: of the American system in the nineteen thirties and has
Speaker 2: remained a permanent and extremely popular part of American life
Speaker 2: ever since. And of course, the first year that they
Speaker 2: started paying out, the first woman who got it got
Speaker 2: more than she put into it. It has always been
Speaker 2: a parasitic ponzi scheme. Number two Medicare and Medicaid. Hitler
Speaker 2: strongly believed in government provided health care. So do American statists.
Speaker 2: For that matter, many reform oriented libertarians favor the continuation
Speaker 2: of these socialist programs as well, calling for health savings
Speaker 2: accounts or something called direct medical care as reforms intended
Speaker 2: to fix and improve America's longstanding healthcare crisis, which of
Speaker 2: course is rooted in government manipulation of the insurance market
Speaker 2: and regulations. Three, A large permanent military established to provide
Speaker 2: so called strong national defense. These are things that Hitler favored,
Speaker 2: and that American conservatives and liberals, as well as Republican
Speaker 2: light libertarians favor as well. Then you've got the interstate
Speaker 2: highway system. Again. There are only three forms of land
Speaker 2: in the Constitution that the federal government can control. One
Speaker 2: a ten square mile area for the capital, which is Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. Two territories, and then territories become states when
Speaker 2: they enter the United States as states, the Constitution says
Speaker 2: they enter with all the rights and privileges of any
Speaker 2: other state. And of course that means that they don't
Speaker 2: have to seed land. And even if they could see
Speaker 2: the land, there's nothing in the Constitution that lets the
Speaker 2: federal government run parks or national monuments or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just not there, just like the word immigration isn't
Speaker 2: there so you can read it. You'll be there for
Speaker 2: a long time searching. You won't find it right. And
Speaker 2: of course, if you're in a debate with anybody about
Speaker 2: these things, you'll win the debate. Just bring this stuff up.
Speaker 2: I've debated Pat Buchanan, tomp Ten, Credo, JD. Hayworth about
Speaker 2: these things and they all agree on the immigration thing. Well, Gardner,
Speaker 2: you're right, and then they continue to move on. You say, well,
Speaker 2: we're being invaded. What's the answer if you're being invaded,
Speaker 2: you have to declare war against the invading nation state.
Speaker 2: Congress has to do that. If it's not a nation state,
Speaker 2: then you issue letters of mark and reprisal because they're
Speaker 2: non uniformed so called combatants, and then you can hire mercenaries.
Speaker 2: The president can do that. Those are the only ways
Speaker 2: you do it. Sorry to say, for people who want
Speaker 2: to see American hegemony everywhere in the United States, central
Speaker 2: collectivist system running the immigration programs been real good so far.
Speaker 2: On conservatives, I hope you'll take another look. Then maybe
Speaker 2: not you, but you can remind other people. You'll be
Speaker 2: able to win the argument. If you mentioned it's a
Speaker 2: state issue. So then we've got the interstate highway system, clearly.
Speaker 2: The other aspect is military garrisons. So you've got DC
Speaker 2: military garrisons and territories. So is a highway of military garrison. No,
Speaker 2: it's not interstate highway system unconstitutional. A lot of people
Speaker 2: praise it, they think it's a great idea. Of course,
Speaker 2: it's based on the Autoba Hitler's idea. Then we have
Speaker 2: public schooling. Hitler, like Marx, like all American status seem
Speaker 2: they love the concept of government run schooling and of course,
Speaker 2: even some libertarians think that it's a nice idea to
Speaker 2: have the state give vouchers to people, which will then
Speaker 2: infuse the schools with the poison of the government money. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then we have a government regulated and government managed economy. Yep. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: Hitler like American status, like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: gonna have the freedom cities, We're gonna have the tariffs.
Speaker 2: They like to decide for other people what is essential
Speaker 2: and not essential. That's what teriffs do. And we've got
Speaker 2: paper money and a central bank. Like American status. Hitler
Speaker 2: was a firm believer in both paper money and a
Speaker 2: central bank. And of course keep in mind that Franklin
Speaker 2: Roosevelt abandoned America's constitutional monetary system. I agree with Ron Paul.
Speaker 2: All you have to do is allow for competitive, free
Speaker 2: market banking, and people will be attracted to a system
Speaker 2: that actually has gold or something valuable in it when
Speaker 2: they're issuing their currency and they're not fractionally reserved currency lenders,
Speaker 2: because you want to make sure that if you go
Speaker 2: in with your piece of paper, you can redeem it
Speaker 2: for something valuable. Nobody would take the money if they
Speaker 2: knew it came from that sort of a bank. But
Speaker 2: we all have to do with their stuff. We've got
Speaker 2: things like invasions and wars of aggression as the United
Speaker 2: States invaded Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. And look what's going
Speaker 2: on with the United States funding proxy wars with the
Speaker 2: IDF and Ukraine, and things like trial by tribunal. Hitler
Speaker 2: favored this type of trial for accused terrorists, as do
Speaker 2: American status. Just ask Ron DeSantis when he was a
Speaker 2: jag and visited you know where? Yep, yeah, they say
Speaker 2: he was in Guantanamo Bay. There were people who were
Speaker 2: there who recognize him, and so they say he had
Speaker 2: to have known what was going on there. So that
Speaker 2: I think is valuable information. Now, let's take an opportunity
Speaker 2: to turn to someone who exposed not the CCdh from
Speaker 2: the UK, not the Trump administration or the Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: gang for being fascist in many ways or collective as
Speaker 2: socialists in many ways and pantering to people not draining
Speaker 2: the swamp as we see free thinking Florida Mom says,
Speaker 2: and barr and haspell Yep. Trump surrounded himself with the swamp,
Speaker 2: so right, and also inside Rock Fin I want to
Speaker 2: thank Jeb Clayton rock on Guard. He gave a contribution
Speaker 2: to the program and I appreciate that. Inside Rock Finn,
Speaker 2: he says, Rock on Guard doing a great job. Happy Friday,
Speaker 2: and you too, and Amos Poole. And in relation to Tim,
Speaker 2: I heard there's been a shake up in Tim's show.
Speaker 2: He's been getting a little tired. I think Gard love
Speaker 2: your knowledge of music. I'm reminded of something that Dead
Speaker 2: Kennedy's saying and may be appropriate in this political season.
Speaker 2: She's no stranger to I can't mention that one, but yes,
Speaker 2: I will give you. And unfortunately Jello has come out as,
Speaker 2: of course a real hardcore leftist, no surprise. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about a guy who's not a hardcore leftist. He's one
Speaker 2: of my mentors in writing. His name is Tom Montalione.
Speaker 2: I got to have a conversation with Tom last night
Speaker 2: on the program, and I want to offer it to
Speaker 2: you right now on my program, Liberty Conspiracy. I take
Speaker 2: my time at Star Trek Voyager and in the script department.
Speaker 2: I like to remember the old Vulcan mind meld. So
Speaker 2: let's give you this on the David Knight Program for
Speaker 2: our mind meld with a man who exposed some other
Speaker 2: people at the Horror Writers Association and the Bram Stoker
Speaker 2: Awards for their unbelievable prejudicial wokeness in handing out awards
Speaker 2: for writing.
Speaker 6: I must try to mind meld with its.
Speaker 11: Entity, and.
Speaker 6: Mine's a merging doctor. Our minds are won. I feel
Speaker 6: what you feel.
Speaker 2: I know what you know. All right, all right, let's
Speaker 2: go to our conversation with Tom Montalioni. Tom is a
Speaker 2: very good guy. I really appreciate all the things that
Speaker 2: Tom Montealioni has done for me, and so I'd like
Speaker 2: to give this to you right now and let me
Speaker 2: just pull this out out here for you. Interview with
Speaker 2: Tom Montaloni from last night, one of my mentors in
Speaker 2: writing on the David Night Show. Always a great opportunity
Speaker 2: to be able to chat with my mentor. A great guy,
Speaker 2: former fellow New Hampshire. Write from the Granite State, the
Speaker 2: live for aer Die State here in deepest darkest Russia,
Speaker 2: where repropagate the propaganda. And he is a great writer
Speaker 2: on his own, a great editor, a great publisher, and
Speaker 2: a great hero for integrity and people who believe in
Speaker 2: the merit of someone's work rather than slathering it with
Speaker 2: all sorts of labels that show instead that you're a woke,
Speaker 2: prejudicial jerk. So let's bring in a guy who is
Speaker 2: not a jerk and expose some people who have engaged
Speaker 2: in that sort of thing. He is the award winning
Speaker 2: bram Stoke Award winning science fiction, horror and adventure writer
Speaker 2: and publisher. He is none other than my friend and
Speaker 2: mentor Tom MONTALIONI a Borderlands Press Tom. How are you, man?
Speaker 6: Man?
Speaker 4: I feel great and it's an honor to be on
Speaker 4: this thing. I really thank you for the invite, and yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm looking forward to having some interesting conversations with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, you and I have spoken about
Speaker 2: this over at the Liberty Conspiracy Show on the evening
Speaker 2: show that I do. And I want to mention, of course,
Speaker 2: people might be familiar with your novels, with your nonfiction
Speaker 2: work on how to write novels, with the editorship of
Speaker 2: many award winning books, and of course with Borderlands Press
Speaker 2: and what you released there, and so I wanted to
Speaker 2: welcome you to the David Knight Show for David's audience,
Speaker 2: because yeah, you have done something that in addition to
Speaker 2: your publishing and you know, raising a family and you know,
Speaker 2: being an all around good guy, pro freedom guy, and
Speaker 2: of course amazing stories about meeting Mafiosa's in the North
Speaker 2: End of Boston at Italian I love that story. I
Speaker 2: love that story with the don I wanted to bring
Speaker 2: you in because over the past year your name has
Speaker 2: floated around as one of the people who along with
Speaker 2: there's a writer named John Dela Rose who yes, yes.
Speaker 4: And I've been corresponding with him.
Speaker 2: Someone Yes, John is a good guy. I have a
Speaker 2: couple of his novels. Good writer and a very conservative
Speaker 2: pro liberty guy. And people like nerd Roti, Gary Biegler
Speaker 2: and a number of folks who call themselves used to
Speaker 2: call themselves the fandom menace rather than the phantom menace
Speaker 2: from Star Wars, who are people who are pro liberty
Speaker 2: and are interested in quality, and had noticed that a
Speaker 2: lot of entertainment, including prose fiction, was getting waylaid by
Speaker 2: the people who wanted to infuse things with their agenda
Speaker 2: deconstructionism writ large and infusing everything with leftist, collectivist, neo
Speaker 2: Marxist ideology. And one of the things that really came up,
Speaker 2: and I would never have expected it, was your name
Speaker 2: as a guy who uncovered something inside the very well
Speaker 2: known Bram Stoker Awards, and I had already known that
Speaker 2: you had stood up for quality work in your anthologies.
Speaker 2: And people tried to excoriate you and said, you've got
Speaker 2: to do this, You've got to bring in this group
Speaker 2: or that group are representative. You just say, I just
Speaker 2: want good stories. How about representation of good stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got. I got a Borderline six which
Speaker 4: which won a Stoker Award for Best Anthology. Two or
Speaker 4: three people attacked it because all the writers were American,
Speaker 4: two sixty percent of them were male, and none of
Speaker 4: them were of people of color. And I thought, you
Speaker 4: got to be kidding me. That's the way I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to select stories for my anthologies. My Borderland series has
Speaker 4: won the Stoker Award three times for really good anthology fiction.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't because I worried about what you had
Speaker 4: between your legs or how how much milk Madeline melon
Speaker 4: and you had your skin. It was because you wrote
Speaker 4: a good story.
Speaker 12: That was it.
Speaker 4: That's all it was interested in.
Speaker 2: And I was I was amazing is on Facebook, which
Speaker 2: I hardly ever visited anymore, But on Facebook you had mentioned, look,
Speaker 2: we stripped the names off of these stories. I read
Speaker 2: for the quality and the merit of the story. Isn't
Speaker 2: that what it's all about? And people attacked you. They said, no,
Speaker 2: you've got to make up for this, You've got to
Speaker 2: make up for that this wrong in the past.
Speaker 4: And so in other words, they said, it was my
Speaker 4: duty as an editor to seek out these mark what
Speaker 4: they called marginalized writers.
Speaker 2: Right, unbelievable. So in other words, you have to age, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you in other.
Speaker 4: Words, I'm not a social worker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they want to publish something based on that,
Speaker 2: they can go ahead and do that. But we shouldn't tell.
Speaker 4: You to go through your own anthology. You know how
Speaker 4: much you could go ten thousand dollars out of your
Speaker 4: pocket to pay for all the freaking stories. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: see what it's like.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's amazing.
Speaker 4: Tell me how I got to do it. Go do
Speaker 4: it yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, and see how well it sells if
Speaker 2: you thinking you can give it legs, you know. And
Speaker 2: the thing about it is that you go layer upon
Speaker 2: layer upon layer. First, they've got that assumptive usurper attitude
Speaker 2: that concede an arrogance to tell you, hey, you're being
Speaker 2: racist or sexist or homophobic or whatever. If you don't
Speaker 2: make up for what we perceive as past wrongs done
Speaker 2: to completely other people, it's reparations within the writing community, right,
Speaker 2: whatever community it might be. That means you've got to
Speaker 2: be prejudicial. Yeah, that means you've got to have prejudice.
Speaker 2: You've got That means you've got to have prejudice against
Speaker 2: somebody else. You've got to decide, well, i'm gonna view
Speaker 2: first your skin color. I'm gonna view first, which is
Speaker 2: not why you're there. You want people to read good stories, insane.
Speaker 4: And my track record proves that that that's what I
Speaker 4: was doing. Yeah, I was not pandering to any particular agenda,
Speaker 4: and I refuse to do that. But the interesting thing
Speaker 4: is that a lot of people would they would post
Speaker 4: on Facebook or they wouldn't, but they would send the
Speaker 4: emails and they would say, listen, I'm on your side,
Speaker 4: but I don't want to say anything. And I would say,
Speaker 4: you know what, keep your head below The thought sells
Speaker 4: no problem. Be quiet, there's no you don't need to
Speaker 4: go to back for me. I'll go to bed for myself.
Speaker 4: And you know, if they beat me down, they beat
Speaker 4: me down. My accomplishments speak for themselves.
Speaker 13: I don't.
Speaker 4: I'm not worried about that.
Speaker 2: Well well stated, and you know, there are different there
Speaker 2: are different folds to this too, because then this expands
Speaker 2: into the next phase, which came around about a year
Speaker 2: and a half ago, and we'll talk about that right
Speaker 2: with the Bram Stoker Awards panel and the Horror Writers Association.
Speaker 2: So that was the first example that I saw a
Speaker 2: number of years ago with Borderland six as you were,
Speaker 2: you know, getting ready to accept stories, always stripping the
Speaker 2: names off, just going by the stories. And what I
Speaker 2: always found interesting was these people I would bring up
Speaker 2: having worked at as you know, Annie's bookstop for years,
Speaker 2: the owner told me, ninety some percent of what we
Speaker 2: sell we sell to women. It's romance novels. There aren't
Speaker 2: guys who write these novels. So I'm not out there saying,
Speaker 2: you know, you should get more guys to write these novels.
Speaker 2: It's just the market. If that's what somebody wants, then
Speaker 2: that's what somebody wants. I'm not going to force it
Speaker 2: on somebody or say that it's some innate, inherent imbalance.
Speaker 2: And then we get to the next level tom which
Speaker 2: is even when you were when you are to say
Speaker 2: I strip the names off these things, then they'll come
Speaker 2: back at you with this deconstructionism. The second layer is, well,
Speaker 2: you don't even know your inherent inherent imbalance, your inherent prejudice.
Speaker 2: So because you're a white male, you already come slotted in,
Speaker 2: programmed with certain prejudices that therefore, when you see a story,
Speaker 2: you will think that that story is ex amount better
Speaker 2: than another story by some person of personhood that has
Speaker 2: been put down for all these years. So you yourself,
Speaker 2: so in other words, you should never even bother editing
Speaker 2: a book.
Speaker 4: Exactly what am I doing with the hoopris to think
Speaker 4: that I can create an anthology of good stories regardless
Speaker 4: of who wrote them?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I obviously have been excoriated from that position.
Speaker 2: It's for you, Yes, it is amazing, and it's they're
Speaker 2: all defensive walls. Really, you know what they are really are?
Speaker 2: It's it. You know, we talk about this a lot
Speaker 2: on the show. It's cultural Marxism. And they want to
Speaker 2: pick the whatever David it is that they're supposedly going
Speaker 2: to be helping. They get all ginned up about these things.
Speaker 2: They want rules and regulations from the top down. In
Speaker 2: this case, we'll see in a minute as the Stoker
Speaker 2: Awards panel and the Horror Writers Association club starts to
Speaker 2: circle their wagons to make sure that people who are
Speaker 2: actually just interested in merit are pushed out and they
Speaker 2: can virtue signal. But that's what they start to do.
Speaker 2: It's all postmodernist cultural Marxism. You got to pick the
Speaker 2: you know, minority group of this or that or whatever.
Speaker 2: And as iin Ran said, the smallest minority in the
Speaker 2: world is the individual.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that, and that's the and that's the perfect minority.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So tell us Tom, let's take a look
Speaker 2: for well, before we go into the press, Borderlands Press.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say the name first so people remember it
Speaker 2: won't show it on the screen quite yet. Here in
Speaker 2: the David Knight Show, our guest is Tom Montalioni. He
Speaker 2: is a writer of his own stature. Look for his
Speaker 2: novels out there. Check them out, especially the digital versions.
Speaker 2: Go to Borderlands Press. We'll show you the website in
Speaker 2: the second. And I don't want to sound like it's
Speaker 2: too much, you know, I don't want to be like
Speaker 2: promoting the site all that much or whatever. Tom, But
Speaker 2: it's great. It's a super cool site and there's great
Speaker 2: stuff there. But before we do that, Tom with people
Speaker 2: with loaded with that information, let's talk about what happened
Speaker 2: a few years after Borderland six, because and again there
Speaker 2: I found out about this later as I saw your
Speaker 2: name was actually trending on Twitter, and I was like,
Speaker 2: what's going on? What is this? And what a lot
Speaker 2: of people did not know was that as this controversy
Speaker 2: bubbled up, you got your hands on a document that
Speaker 2: comes from inside the Horror Writers Association, which issues the
Speaker 2: Bram Stoker Awards. You have gotten the Lifetime Achievement Awards,
Speaker 2: and they approached people for the next nominations for the
Speaker 2: Lifetime Achievement Awards, and you started a brush fire because
Speaker 2: you and and if people know you're writing from your
Speaker 2: mafia columns from Cemetery Dance, they know the way you speak, they.
Speaker 4: Know I don't take any prisoners, man.
Speaker 10: I try.
Speaker 4: I try to just look at the situation and comment
Speaker 4: on it as I perceive it to be the truth.
Speaker 4: And I've written a column for forty some years doing that,
Speaker 4: and it should be no surprise to anybody, you know.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't suffer idiots or untruth and so
Speaker 4: I snarkily. I was I was had been watching the
Speaker 4: HWA was a Hard Writers Association, which was I was
Speaker 4: actually part of its founding membership. I was a MC
Speaker 4: of their very first Stoker Awards. I've been I was
Speaker 4: part of that organization from you know, the beginning. And
Speaker 4: I noticed that over I had won the award in
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, and and the award is supposed to be
Speaker 4: for individuals who have contributed to the hard dark fantasy
Speaker 4: genre and have made significant contributions to its the genre
Speaker 4: as a whole. Well, I think they gave it to
Speaker 4: me because I had edited an anthology series for thirty
Speaker 4: years that won a lot of awards. I ran a
Speaker 4: writer's boot camp for twenty years and had eighty percent
Speaker 4: of my people that came through the boot camp ended
Speaker 4: up getting published. I won six Bram Stoker Awards for
Speaker 4: in four different categories. And you know, and I'd written
Speaker 4: you know, thirty some books, so you know, I had
Speaker 4: I had paid my dues, I had put my nuts
Speaker 4: on the table and handed out hammers. Again, I'd been there.
Speaker 4: I did it, and they rewarded me for Then I
Speaker 4: started seeing they were starting to give the award over
Speaker 4: the next three or four years to people that I
Speaker 4: knew and liked as people, but I didn't perceive them
Speaker 4: to have made these significant historical contributions to the genre.
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons I noticed was that they
Speaker 4: were what has become the catchword marginalized people. And I thought,
Speaker 4: this is crap, you know. And I noticed that h
Speaker 4: w A when they would send out their newsletter every
Speaker 4: six weeks or so, they're starting all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: there's these pronunciamentos about, you know, backing Pride Month, backing
Speaker 4: Black Lives Matter, backing you know, the flavor of the month.
Speaker 4: And I'm thinking, you can't speak for all of us.
Speaker 4: You didn't pull us. Did you ask us if you
Speaker 4: wanted h w A t to be a standard bearer
Speaker 4: for Black Lives Matter? No, you did not, And you
Speaker 4: know you did you check it with us or how
Speaker 4: we feel about Pride Month?
Speaker 2: Right? You didn't.
Speaker 4: So the people that were running the organization were just
Speaker 4: running roughshot with these uh uh what do you call them,
Speaker 4: you know, backups and backing these these things.
Speaker 2: And I think, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't like this. We're starting to tilt left and
Speaker 4: we're a writer's organization. We shouldn't be getting into this
Speaker 4: political crap.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, and I can see it coming to They're
Speaker 2: like always award.
Speaker 4: I told several people, I said, look, uh, the only
Speaker 4: color I'm interested in is black type on white paper.
Speaker 4: Other than that, I got, I got no no use
Speaker 4: for any of it. Not because I'm a conservative idiot.
Speaker 4: It's because I'm trying to be objective about what I do,
Speaker 4: what my career has been. So look, so here's what
Speaker 4: I did. I send a letter in to the h
Speaker 4: w A because they would they would say, we invite
Speaker 4: you to nominate people for the Lifetime Achievement Award.
Speaker 2: You're the privilege as a winner, you get to nominate
Speaker 2: anybody does.
Speaker 4: Actually, but I had actually served on a prior committee
Speaker 4: to select Lifetime Achievement people. So you know, I had
Speaker 4: some cred and I had some knowledge, and I so
Speaker 4: I write, I write a letter and it was a
Speaker 4: little snarky, and I said, you know, despite my feeling
Speaker 4: that we've been leaning into the DEI and of selecting
Speaker 4: Lifetime Achievement awards, I said, I'm compelled. And I said,
Speaker 4: this kind of funny because it's like my column I said,
Speaker 4: I'm compelled to nominate a smart, old white.
Speaker 2: Guy, right right, and it.
Speaker 4: Was it was Stuart Shift. And Stuart Shift, if people
Speaker 4: don't know him, he was the editor of a little
Speaker 4: magazine in the early seventies called Whispers. And this was
Speaker 4: before Stephen King, you know, rewrote the horror genre and
Speaker 4: made it a crazy, legitimate moneymaker. Yeah, you know, Stu
Speaker 4: was keeping this little fire burning like out of a
Speaker 4: Jack London story, under a tree, dropping tons of ice
Speaker 4: on it. He kept the fire burning for horror, for
Speaker 4: horror fiction. Nobody was publishing horror fiction, hardly anybody was
Speaker 4: writing it. But Stu was dedicated to this little magazine
Speaker 4: called Whispers, and he published an incredible number of people
Speaker 4: like Carl Robert Block, Jack Cody, Ramsey Campbell. I mean
Speaker 4: he published all these guys, Dennis Atchison, back when nobody
Speaker 4: was publishing or reading these guys. Stew Shift was he
Speaker 4: He kept her alive until King came along, and you know,
Speaker 4: sent it on fire and I said, this guy, he
Speaker 4: was a you guy. A lot of people don't even
Speaker 4: know who he is, but he deserves some recognition. Well,
Speaker 4: I sent the letter in and I noticed that after
Speaker 4: a week or two. It never showed up on the
Speaker 4: HWA website as where they would post all the nominations
Speaker 4: for the award. So I said, I sent a note
Speaker 4: into the guy that was running it. I can't remember
Speaker 4: his name, and he said, no, we we didn't find
Speaker 4: your letter appropriate, right, that's why we didn't post it.
Speaker 4: I said, Okay, screw it. So I posted it on
Speaker 4: my own Facebook page. I put it up there, and
Speaker 4: it was a sort of firestorm. I had. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: usual fifty to fifty fifty percent of people said good
Speaker 4: idea great grat to hear it. The other fifty percent said,
Speaker 4: you're a racist, the transphobe. Yeah, you're the usual litany
Speaker 4: of craft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course.
Speaker 4: And they hated me, and I was accused of I
Speaker 4: was accused of violating the HWA harassment code, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 4: I've never seen that code, and nobody could show it
Speaker 4: to me. So it was a kind of this ethereal violation,
Speaker 4: and they got really upset with me. And I'd bantered
Speaker 4: back and forth a few times, and then that night
Speaker 4: this is where I went off the rails, and I
Speaker 4: admit it. This podcast guy called me and he said,
Speaker 4: would you like to go on. Well, you know, it
Speaker 4: had been a long day. I was pissed off at
Speaker 4: all these people that are attacking me. I've had a
Speaker 4: couple of bourbons. I went on the podcast and I
Speaker 4: said a lot some dumb stuff, right, that was not
Speaker 4: harassment by any means. But you know, I accused them
Speaker 4: of giving the award to owl going Back because he
Speaker 4: was in he claims he was an Indian, which, by
Speaker 4: the way, a tribal council has discovered that he's not
Speaker 4: an Indian, that he's actually from His family is from Germany, Oh.
Speaker 2: Related to Liz Warren.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got that Liz orangeean.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But but but they gave one to al going Back.
Speaker 4: They gave one to a black poet, Okay, who's who's
Speaker 4: a consummate wonderful person. But she's published like two volumes
Speaker 4: of poetry right now, horror poetry. But she she got it.
Speaker 4: They gave it to a gay guy, and then they
Speaker 4: gave it to a woman. Her name is Carol Clover.
Speaker 4: You know, have you ever heard of her?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: No, she got a she got a Bram Stoker Award,
Speaker 4: a Lifetime Achievement Award because she wrote an academic feminist
Speaker 4: treatise uh called The Final Girl.
Speaker 2: And it was essentially, oh you're I'm sorry. I thought
Speaker 2: you were talking about Carol Clover, who for years has
Speaker 2: written a lot of really influential horror stuff and actually
Speaker 2: deserved the award. I mean, we must be talking two
Speaker 2: different peop people.
Speaker 4: Yet. Yeah, she wrote one one piece, wow, examining the
Speaker 4: slasher films, how there's always a girl that survives, and
Speaker 4: it was kind of this feminist examination of the hard
Speaker 4: film genre.
Speaker 2: That's it, great English essay.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they gave her. They gave her a Brand Stoker Award.
Speaker 2: Life Lifetime Achievement.
Speaker 13: Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh man what I called him.
Speaker 4: Out and I said, this is this is bull crap.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is are you kidding me? You're going
Speaker 4: to compare what this lady did to what Stewart shifted
Speaker 4: for ten years, you know, keeping a little cheesy fire
Speaker 4: horror fire going with his magazine. I said, you gotta
Speaker 4: be kidding me.
Speaker 2: And you talked about that on that podcast and that
Speaker 2: that got oh oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I said the other person they gave
Speaker 4: it to was someone named Jewel. Oh god, I can't
Speaker 4: remember her name, but anyway, she's known for writing lesbian,
Speaker 4: black lesbian vampire novels. That's what she does, right, that
Speaker 4: nobody reads other than I think, you know, people that
Speaker 4: are partial to you know, black lesbians, I.
Speaker 2: Think, but it's important.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know who's reading this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's it's but you got to promote it because it
Speaker 2: just shows you care, you care.
Speaker 4: And then they gave one to a lady who I suspect,
Speaker 4: I sus submit no one's ever read. But she's known
Speaker 4: as the African Queen of Horror, and you'd have to
Speaker 4: look up her name.
Speaker 2: Who they mean, like the boat with the Humphrey Bogart.
Speaker 4: Movie, the African Queen. Yeah, it's like, uh no, nobody's
Speaker 4: ever heard of her. But she got it. She got
Speaker 4: a Brand Stoker Award Lifetime achievement. So they weren't even
Speaker 4: you know, what the problem was, Gardener, They weren't even
Speaker 4: trying to hide it. And and they were shocked that
Speaker 4: that somebody like me, who's a you know, pretty outsmoking mook,
Speaker 4: called him out on it. And they hated it. They
Speaker 4: freaking hated the fact that I had that con to
Speaker 4: call him out, you know what I'm saying. I And
Speaker 4: they went after me big time, and they decided that
Speaker 4: I was going to be banned from their hw A.
Speaker 2: So they literally ban you.
Speaker 4: I can't show up at any other events anymore. They
Speaker 4: couldn't take away all the awards that I've won. But
Speaker 4: they have said that I'm totally disenfranchised. And they had
Speaker 4: a they had the Daily Beast call me and and
Speaker 4: did an article, you know, showing everybody what a transphobic,
Speaker 4: a racist ian. It was incredible, unbelievable, absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: Incredible, incredible and none of that. And you're simply standing
Speaker 2: up for the standards that promoted you and others like
Speaker 2: f Paul Wilson and others to get awards. People people
Speaker 2: like Dallas Mayer, people are like uh, Eric Glennard, who
Speaker 2: have won these awards and done very well because of
Speaker 2: the quality of their work. And yeah, yeah, and and
Speaker 2: and the thing that you know, I saw it blowing
Speaker 2: up after the fact, I didn't know what was going
Speaker 2: on because all these people heard what you had to say,
Speaker 2: and and yet what you were actually saying they were doing.
Speaker 2: You actually got in your hands, somebody gave you actually
Speaker 2: confirmation of exactly what you accuse them of doing.
Speaker 4: They actually yeah, one of our one of our longtime
Speaker 4: customers at Borderlance Press. She sent me a note and
Speaker 4: she said, I want to share this with you. I
Speaker 4: sent in a letter to nominate. I think it's the
Speaker 4: two people that she did that. They were both white guys.
Speaker 4: I nominated them and I sent I got a letter
Speaker 4: back from the chairman of the Lifetime Achievement Committee and
Speaker 4: she and I have a copy of it. It said,
Speaker 4: thank you very much for your nomination of these two writers. However,
Speaker 4: we feel that it's time that we emphasize, you know,
Speaker 4: marginalized writers above you know, smart white guys.
Speaker 2: So I want to pausit there everybody, and just bring
Speaker 2: myself back in just briefly here just to let you know,
Speaker 2: I would like to show you this document that Tom
Speaker 2: forwarded to me. It's a PDF. I'm gonna blow this
Speaker 2: up for you because this is on record now and
Speaker 2: you can see it here. It is from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: December twenty twenty twenty. Dear so and So, always a
Speaker 2: pleasure to hear from you. I hope this email finds
Speaker 2: you well, safe and healthy at holiday time. Thank you
Speaker 2: for your nominees. They have been added to the list
Speaker 2: in the interest of full disclosure. Given that only six
Speaker 2: of the fifty four Lifetime Achievement Awards have been awarded
Speaker 2: to women, I have asked the committee to prioritize female nominees,
Speaker 2: although all nominees will be considered, including your three fine ones.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your participation in making as deep and
Speaker 2: diverse a pool from which to select as possible. It
Speaker 2: is a pre she ated. So Tom has the goods.
Speaker 2: He knew they were doing it, and he has the goods,
Speaker 2: and he sent them to me. Let's get back.
Speaker 4: He said it out loud to her, He told her
Speaker 4: what their agenda was.
Speaker 2: I and you have sent me a copy of it.
Speaker 2: I'll see. And you know we're recording this the night
Speaker 2: before the show, so i'll see if I can call
Speaker 2: it up and put it out there. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 2: and I'll show it to people and on it.
Speaker 4: And then they got so kissed off at me that
Speaker 4: they threw me out.
Speaker 2: Now, literally, Tom, I just have to say, if you
Speaker 2: wanted to they they're telling you you can't even go
Speaker 2: to their conventions. You've been ostracized from so many things.
Speaker 2: And they wanted to take your Stoker Awards back, didn't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But they can't do that they there's obviously there
Speaker 4: is something in the bylaws it doesn't allow them to
Speaker 4: do it. Otherwise they would have tried to do it.
Speaker 4: But you know what, I got them on my friggin' shelf. Yeah,
Speaker 4: come on in and try to take them.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know what passed my NRA sticker, and
Speaker 4: come try to take them all.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly exactly, Come and take it right. You know,
Speaker 2: you should make up you should make up T shirts
Speaker 2: for Tom MONTALIONI supporters. You could sell them at Borderlands
Speaker 2: Press with a picture of the Stoker and a gun
Speaker 2: that says come and take them right. Yeah. That would
Speaker 2: be classic and like a silhouette of you on the
Speaker 2: back holding one in each hand, you know, like.
Speaker 11: Ah, And you know it's into one thing that I
Speaker 11: regret because I had been drinking at the last Stoker
Speaker 11: Awards I went to with Paul, which was Paul Wilson.
Speaker 4: It was in Denver in twenty twenty one, I think
Speaker 4: or twenty two, and Paul and I when we left,
Speaker 4: we said, wow, they should change the name of the
Speaker 4: Stoker Bank the Soaker Con to Woker Con because they
Speaker 4: they almost half of the panel events and discussions and
Speaker 4: programming had to do with this identarian you know, political
Speaker 4: crap about you know how people of color, writers of this,
Speaker 4: editors of that. Oh, and they also had the editor,
Speaker 4: the new editor at that time of the Magazine of
Speaker 4: Fantasy and Science Fiction, a woman named Scherie something.
Speaker 2: Oh, they have had such problems.
Speaker 4: Oh my god. The magazine is dead. She killed it.
Speaker 4: She came in and it had been a monthly or
Speaker 4: a bi monthly for fifty friggin years. She came in
Speaker 4: as the editor, and it didn't add one episode one
Speaker 4: issue this year, and then they were supposed to bring
Speaker 4: one out in the fall, called the Autumn Issue or something.
Speaker 4: But she, ye, it's pretty much dead. She was there
Speaker 4: with this entourage of p o c s. Right, and
Speaker 4: and they they did all these panels. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: you know, so wonderful. And I at at the at
Speaker 4: the awards at session they had they gave the Volunteer
Speaker 4: of Award of the Year award, which they give out
Speaker 4: to somebody every year that did selflessly serve the organization.
Speaker 4: So they give it to this this lady. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to mention her name. I've already done it publicly.
Speaker 4: She goes up there and she accepts the award, and
Speaker 4: instead of just saying thank you, while it's great working
Speaker 4: with you guys, you know, have a nice day, she
Speaker 4: references a blog that she apparently does, which I had
Speaker 4: never heard of. But the blog is called Stoker So White.
Speaker 4: That's what it's called, right, and it's all about you know,
Speaker 4: how awful the history of the of the organization is
Speaker 4: because it's always been concerned with white people.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: So but but but yay, you know what, that's not racist,
Speaker 4: is it? I am I don't know, Maybe I'm just
Speaker 4: a dope, But I mean I'm sitting there listening to
Speaker 4: this and I thought, are you kidding me? This is
Speaker 4: your acceptance speech?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, but you use.
Speaker 4: This platform too to pander this crap.
Speaker 2: Because you're denigrating the people who just gave you this award. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you obviously think nothing of this award if you think
Speaker 2: that it comes from a legacy of white dominance and hate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But anyway, I sat there
Speaker 4: and I went, oh my god. Anyway, so I mentioned
Speaker 4: this on the podcast that I appeared on. Wow, well
Speaker 4: alcohol was involved, yes, yes, And I refer to her
Speaker 4: as a fat black chick.
Speaker 2: Okay now, and and just again again just to let
Speaker 2: people know you use like a lot of old jazz lingo.
Speaker 2: You know you used that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well I two weeks later I saw the the Grammy
Speaker 4: Awards and some guy introduced Lizzo as a smoking black,
Speaker 4: fat fat, smoking fat black chick, and everybody cheered, right, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was this ambulatory bag of suet, you know, right
Speaker 4: that that happens to be able to sing. But it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: it was okay for him because he added the word
Speaker 4: smoking the right to what I said. Now, you know, okay,
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have said that. I should have said, you know,
Speaker 4: she was a plus sized African American, you know, binary.
Speaker 2: And then and then have to explain why you think that,
Speaker 2: you know, that seems to be emblematic of past behaviors
Speaker 2: from the stoker.
Speaker 4: That's the other thing in her bio, she says that
Speaker 4: she's her pronouns are they? Then, well, that was the
Speaker 4: other thing that I did on the Facebook. I said, look,
Speaker 4: I'll call you anything you want. You want to identify
Speaker 4: as a kitchen table, as a gerbil, as a guy,
Speaker 4: a girl. That's fine. I'm really okay with that. But
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm not calling a single person they
Speaker 4: or them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not doing it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it flies in the face of not only
Speaker 4: logic and grammar, but you're trying to bully me into
Speaker 4: buying into your delusion. Sorry. Yeah, And you know you're
Speaker 4: not a plural entity. You are a single person. You
Speaker 4: want me to call you zay, zim, dumb dim, that's fine,
Speaker 4: But I ain't gonna be theying them.
Speaker 2: I know. I had that conversation. Maybe I spoke about this.
Speaker 2: I had this conversation with one of my students and
Speaker 2: she was just adamant at first. She said, no, you
Speaker 2: can use the plural pronouns. Like, here's an idea. You
Speaker 2: work in an emergency room. You're getting a call from
Speaker 2: the ambulance. You got to prepare a bed because somebody's
Speaker 2: coming in bleeding out. If they use the term they
Speaker 2: from inside the ambulance, how many beds you're going to
Speaker 2: set up? You want to know is it one person?
Speaker 2: Is it male? Is it female? When you hear that
Speaker 2: the police have arrested somebody, and I've literally heard this
Speaker 2: on the wm R t V out of Manchester, they
Speaker 2: said gost Town there was a fire and arsonist suspect
Speaker 2: that they had apprehended. They said it because they didn't
Speaker 2: want to mention whether there was male or female. They
Speaker 2: said they will be arraigned on Tuesday, and I said,
Speaker 2: so they've arrested more than one or one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's just so it flies in the face of it
Speaker 2: utterly flies in the face of logic. It's so obviously
Speaker 2: and offensively stupid that people do that, and they continue
Speaker 2: to do it because they're uncomfortable. It's just so dumb,
Speaker 2: so obviously that really inflamed people bringing that up and.
Speaker 4: Using that that Yeah, that branded me as a transphobe.
Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, can you.
Speaker 4: What does transphobe mean? Means that you fear people who
Speaker 4: believed that their chances transgendered. I don't fear them in
Speaker 4: the least, right, I actually feel very sorry for them
Speaker 4: because I think that they're they're suffering from serious psychological problems. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I certainly don't. I certainly don't fear them. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: the whole idea of insisting that we buy into their delusion,
Speaker 4: that's bullying, okay.
Speaker 2: And that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're so they're so anti bullying, you know, it's
Speaker 4: so terrible a bully anybody, but but we can bully
Speaker 4: you no problem.
Speaker 2: And it comes from such a source of a lack
Speaker 2: of information too. You know. I think I mentioned to
Speaker 2: you when they had the free speech rally in Boston
Speaker 2: and a number of the writers in around the Boston area,
Speaker 2: whom you and I know who go down to Camp
Speaker 2: Ncon in order, Yeah we know, right, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: they were communicating with each other about how proud they
Speaker 2: were that they were going to go and protest this
Speaker 2: rally that was going on, this hate filled rally around
Speaker 2: when it was a two twenty seventeen or something twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: And I said, do you even know who organized that?
Speaker 2: An Indian guy, a dude who's married to a Filipino woman.
Speaker 2: They're like all these racists and all this stuff. I
Speaker 2: was like, it's about free speech. You are a writer,
Speaker 2: do you get it? And they're literally on the train
Speaker 2: posting on Facebook, We're on the train now we're going
Speaker 2: to go down And they went there and at the
Speaker 2: same time, Tom the mayor of Boston and the governor
Speaker 2: of the state of Massachusetts held a press conference the
Speaker 2: day before that event, and they said, we don't even
Speaker 2: know we don't know who these people are, but their
Speaker 2: hate is not welcome here. So I'm watching, God, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm watching the stream of WBZ in Boston covering these
Speaker 2: two fatuous politicians, Marty Walsh and whoever the governor was there?
Speaker 2: The guy that Joe Biden called, who is the Birdland
Speaker 2: Jazz sax saxophone a sax player, Charlie Parker. So Charlie Baker, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was Charlie Baker and Marty Walsh, and they're up
Speaker 2: there and they're like, yeah, we don't so I think
Speaker 2: it was. Marty Waller says, no, it was. Charlie Baker said,
Speaker 2: we don't know, we don't even know who these people are,
Speaker 2: but they're hate is and welcome here. Not one reporter
Speaker 2: in the audience said, excuse me, if you don't know
Speaker 2: who these people are, how do you know they're full
Speaker 2: of hate? Like, how do you get that in your
Speaker 2: uninformed Yeah it was.
Speaker 7: It was just it was.
Speaker 2: Totally totally contrary to anybody who had any sense. And
Speaker 2: then Marty Waller says, they don't even have a permit.
Speaker 2: So I opened up another tab while the stream was
Speaker 2: going on WBZ News, and I went to Facebook to
Speaker 2: that group's page and they had a photo of that
Speaker 2: helment from two weeks to four and I'm sitting there,
Speaker 2: I was like, is anybody in the audience actually calling
Speaker 2: this stuff up to check? Nobody checked it, and that
Speaker 2: contributed to an atmosphere of absolute rancor and hatred that
Speaker 2: these guys fed into coming down on the train. Are
Speaker 2: writer friends who are so peace and love and all
Speaker 2: this stuff that literally people were throwing bottles filled with
Speaker 2: urine and all sorts of stuff that these people who
Speaker 2: just wanted to have a free speech rally and they're
Speaker 2: calling them racist. I'm like, so, let me get this straight.
Speaker 2: The dude who's married to the Filipino girl is somehow
Speaker 2: racist as is to hear from India, Like, it's totally ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It was so stupid, and you know, and it's that
Speaker 2: they reinforce it. It's an echo chamber and that's what
Speaker 2: the Bram Stoker Awards has become. It has become an
Speaker 2: echo chamber from people who celebrated good writing. And I
Speaker 2: have to say, Tom, also, final final point that I'd
Speaker 2: like to make is how you rose above this and
Speaker 2: you have seen people who didn't support and not that
Speaker 2: they necessarily have to, but turned away who had business
Speaker 2: connections with you, who supported you, or did things that
Speaker 2: were associated with you, and they say, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like you're kryptonite. Can't even touch you. Not standing up,
Speaker 2: whether it's for you as a friend or for the
Speaker 2: principle the principle of what is going on. And some
Speaker 2: people have stood up, which is really cool and well,
Speaker 2: I kind of liken.
Speaker 4: It to kind of being at the Alamo, and you
Speaker 4: you know, you think you find out who your people,
Speaker 4: who your real friends are, because a lot of people
Speaker 4: showed up with with me on on the ramparts when
Speaker 4: they you know, the woke stopo attacked me. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: and they they were they were. I found out who
Speaker 4: my real friends were. I had people that I had
Speaker 4: mentored through at the Borderlands Press boot camp and basically
Speaker 4: helped create their careers, toning their back on me and completely,
Speaker 4: and it really kind of shocked me. It was like
Speaker 4: four or five writers that you know, I had really
Speaker 4: end a lot of time helping to develop their their talent,
Speaker 4: which they all had, and I encouraged them and I
Speaker 4: I helped them in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: Oh I know, I know, I published them one. I'm
Speaker 2: one of the guys that that you know, you mentored
Speaker 2: me and Malcolm and uh yeah, and I had mentioned.
Speaker 4: Them in these people's names, but you know who they.
Speaker 2: Are, sure absolutely, And I.
Speaker 4: Published their stories in my Borderland's anthologies. Now they don't
Speaker 4: They won't even talk to me. And it's like a lep.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, Tom, it's interesting on an intellectual
Speaker 2: and also you know, just a just an emotional level
Speaker 2: when you're with people at a boot camp like that
Speaker 2: and you suddenly see the learning curve shooting up. Yes,
Speaker 2: they get the tists from you. It's a life life
Speaker 2: go on, absolutely, and and to to neglect that or
Speaker 2: or downplay it because you know, they're looking towards how
Speaker 2: am I gonna shape my position for the future or
Speaker 2: what what chess piece? You know what what you know
Speaker 2: board movement on the board? Am I going to make here?
Speaker 2: To continue being associated with these people, it's like, boyle boy,
Speaker 2: I would not be making your decisions in life.
Speaker 4: Boy that was terrible.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 4: And several of the dealers that had been buying our
Speaker 4: Borderlands Press books, you know, they shut us down, they said,
Speaker 4: we don't want to carry your stuff anymore. And well,
Speaker 4: you know, that's pretty that's pretty amazing. They actually actively
Speaker 4: try to destroy us. They didn't. It didn't work, No,
Speaker 4: and yeah, but it was really it's very disheartening to see.
Speaker 2: I noticed, and Tom, this is this is where we
Speaker 2: sort of get to the positive outcome of this. You know,
Speaker 2: we mentioned people like John Dela Rose and others. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's great, he's great. I want to communicate with him
Speaker 2: over in Substack and bring him on as a guest
Speaker 2: on my show sometimes. But what has arisen from this
Speaker 2: has been a not a phoenix from the ashes in
Speaker 2: any way sort of a thing, but a new alignment
Speaker 2: of people starting to rise to the ford. They didn't
Speaker 2: get crushed, you didn't get crushed down, because there's this
Speaker 2: new realignment of people who still stand for quality, who
Speaker 2: still stand for writing and common sense. And this is
Speaker 2: why I think it's so valuable to have you on
Speaker 2: David's show today and i'd like to talk about how
Speaker 2: you have kept this standard and Borderlands Press is available
Speaker 2: and out there, and your writing is out there, and
Speaker 2: now people are in touch with each other. The people
Speaker 2: who value good writing are starting to rise to the fore.
Speaker 2: And I think it's maybe not a new renaissance, but
Speaker 2: in a way, on a cultural and I quint emotional
Speaker 2: or soulful level, it is a renaissance in a way
Speaker 2: because we've been able to have that those those trappings
Speaker 2: burned away from us and we can stay true to truth,
Speaker 2: which is great. So let's talk about the publishing company,
Speaker 2: if we know.
Speaker 4: I think that's very important what you just said, because
Speaker 4: when all this shit, this crap went down, I decided
Speaker 4: I'm going to start a sub stack of you know,
Speaker 4: of my non of my non fiction writing, this real
Speaker 4: personal and you know, conversational a lot of fun and
Speaker 4: see you see who who responds. And you know, it's
Speaker 4: only been up for about thirty forty days and I've
Speaker 4: got like almost four hundred subscribers, and and I've got
Speaker 4: a lot of people that had con pledged money to
Speaker 4: actually subscribe, and I don't want to do that yet,
Speaker 4: but yeah, I've got a lot of people people that
Speaker 4: have signed on and said, I really like what you're doing.
Speaker 4: I'm really happy that you're doing this. And I just
Speaker 4: did it as a as an almost a social experiment.
Speaker 4: I wanted to find out if, if how many people
Speaker 4: are out there that would value whatever I have to say,
Speaker 4: and whether it's just entertaining or illuminating, or educational or
Speaker 4: informative or you know, just a kick.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm having a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 4: And every week I get new subscribers.
Speaker 2: And if yeah, absolutely absolutely that the substack is a great,
Speaker 2: great place. You know, they fight tooth and nail to
Speaker 2: make sure that you have your stuff, and they're always
Speaker 2: coming up with new ways, new ideas. You can post
Speaker 2: audio podcasts and do video clips if you want to.
Speaker 2: It's really really nice. And as you say, there's ability
Speaker 2: for people to subscribe without paying, or they can you know,
Speaker 2: donate five bucks a month whatever levels. It's great. And
Speaker 2: the other thing too, Tom, that I really love is
Speaker 2: you're writing for the Mafia column, which was in Cemetery Dance.
Speaker 2: Was just a wonderful excursion into someone's ability to think
Speaker 2: and comment and be witty and the amazing artful prose
Speaker 2: that you provide, you know, that to me is incredible.
Speaker 4: I had a ball writing that column, and you know,
Speaker 4: I collected the first fifty columns into an omnibus collection
Speaker 4: and they gave me a Bram Stoker Award for Best
Speaker 4: non Fiction. I mean, you know, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: now the stuff that I wrote back then was racist
Speaker 4: and transphobic and you know, fascist, and you know, the
Speaker 4: usual crap. And it's like, you guys know.
Speaker 2: Who I am? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's really it to me.
Speaker 2: It's also very sad too, because there are only two
Speaker 2: options that I see, Tom. Either these people who've known
Speaker 2: you for so long are so afraid themselves to stand
Speaker 2: up for actual truth, actual quality, that they will let
Speaker 2: themselves down and try to adopt the mantle of wokeism
Speaker 2: and progressivism. And they're already progressives, but they literally know you,
Speaker 2: they know your work, you know, or they're that corrupt
Speaker 2: that they will drop somebody like a hot potato if
Speaker 2: they think that it can stand.
Speaker 4: It's not me, I just I just I just sent
Speaker 4: my last, my final collection of short fiction to the
Speaker 4: printer and it's like it's every it's all the stories
Speaker 4: I've published since two thousand or so awesome. It's called
Speaker 4: Memos from the Abyss And you know, I got a
Speaker 4: really great response from people. You know, it's it's going
Speaker 4: to sell out. And I'm thinking this is very heartening
Speaker 4: because you never know if the the progressive wave could
Speaker 4: bury you could destroy you. I mean, because that's their
Speaker 4: that's their agenda, that's their intention. They want to see
Speaker 4: us go away. They want to they want to see
Speaker 4: us be destroyed.
Speaker 2: And at the same time, you see as these giant
Speaker 2: corporations have to continue to downsize, you know, Disney, all
Speaker 2: these different people are starting to see g you know,
Speaker 2: it looks like the market isn't really big for oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of uh woke ideology in
Speaker 2: kids shows or Didney's.
Speaker 4: Disney has been taking it up the.
Speaker 2: You know what, you've got it, got it hey. In fact,
Speaker 2: let me do this, let me do this, Tom, I
Speaker 2: want to bring this up on the up on the screen. Here.
Speaker 2: This is the latest one memos from the abyss By.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my last short story collection.
Speaker 2: There you go. There it is. And if people want
Speaker 2: to check out the website, let's talk about how as
Speaker 2: we mentioned people like John Dela Rows, people like nerd Rodick.
Speaker 2: I mean, they are really kickingnup steam. They're doing great.
Speaker 2: And Borderlands Press is right there for everybody to check out.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about borderlandspress dot com right at the front.
Speaker 4: We started thirty three years ago. We've been We've been
Speaker 4: a small press for since nineteen eighty nine, so we
Speaker 4: feel like we had the staying power to you know,
Speaker 4: publish material that people wanted. You know, we did a
Speaker 4: lot of limited signed editions. We've done Peter Stroud, We've
Speaker 4: done Bradbury, We've done Paul Wilson, Blake Crouch, I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, we've done Dean Koontz. We've done pretty much
Speaker 4: anybody that people were interested in collecting and reading. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's Paul.
Speaker 2: Paul's adversary stuff and amazing, amazing artwork. You know, it's
Speaker 2: funny when you mentioned Paul. I have Aftershocks over here.
Speaker 2: Great collection from him.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, fantastic, Yeah, what you know.
Speaker 2: And and it's funny because, as you know, I have
Speaker 2: relatives who are in Italy, and the Aftershocks story actually
Speaker 2: brings the main characters to Italy and and Paul that's true.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and you know he hadn't actually been there
Speaker 4: when he wrote that.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible. And then I've got this I just
Speaker 2: want to show people from the olden days.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, there is that's what writer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff, good stuff from Tom and uh, great
Speaker 2: great ideas in here with great characters that are that
Speaker 2: are so important and uh so let's talk a little bit.
Speaker 2: If people want to go to Borderlands Press, let's discuss obviously,
Speaker 2: uh your your collection is probably going to sell out soon.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that collection again, right there. Memos from
Speaker 2: the abyss I'm telling you his short story are amazing.
Speaker 2: And Tom, sometime, if we ever get the chance, I
Speaker 2: would love to read out loud that short story that
Speaker 2: you did of the guy writing the fan letters.
Speaker 4: You know, oh love letters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, love letters. That is such a great story.
Speaker 2: Know in a way, I I know you and I
Speaker 2: have spoken about this man before. But T. E. D. Kleine,
Speaker 2: obviously editor of twilight Zone magazine, put the novella collection
Speaker 2: together called Dark Gods and wrote the.
Speaker 4: Ceremonies that just stopped writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, One of my favorites. In fact, my favorite
Speaker 2: by him is Nadelman's God, which is in the Dark
Speaker 2: Gods collection, about this guy who, yes, yes he's a
Speaker 2: he's a pr writer in New York. But in college
Speaker 2: he had written a poem that some friends of his
Speaker 2: were like rock producer this and this said remember that poem.
Speaker 2: I've got a heavy metal band and they could probably
Speaker 2: use that for lyrics. They turn it into a song
Speaker 2: and it's about this yes, yes, he never says specifically.
Speaker 2: It's about this evil rival God to God and it's
Speaker 2: waiting for something to be able to emerge. It's just
Speaker 2: toying with us. And when somebody does the dumb thing
Speaker 2: and it turns out spoilers that it's this song which
Speaker 2: is actually the descriptor of how you open the door
Speaker 2: to this thing, and oh yeah, it was brilliant, right,
Speaker 2: and he and I loved it because he tells the
Speaker 2: story as this guy starts to get fan letters of
Speaker 2: all things from a dude named huntuon out on Long Island,
Speaker 2: and Huntune is writing and saying, hey, man, you know
Speaker 2: your your poem. I know that the metal song based
Speaker 2: it on this, and it's it's really telling the truth.
Speaker 2: It's truthful. And he's like wow, and he wrote writing
Speaker 2: back like, well, thanks a lot, and I don't know
Speaker 2: what you're talking about, but you know the god, it
Speaker 2: was just made up. And then he writes back and
Speaker 2: he's like, it's funny that you say there was just
Speaker 2: made up. You don't know anything about any god because
Speaker 2: the god says that he knows you.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, that was Ted at his best. He
Speaker 4: was so good.
Speaker 2: Yes, so ceremonies which right, yeah, yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: that was based on one of the novellas, the events
Speaker 2: at Poro Farm, which is in the Dark Eyes. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's all based around Connecticut stuff. In fact, Tom,
Speaker 2: you might you might remember many years ago I had
Speaker 2: a short story. I don't know if you read this one.
Speaker 2: I think you might have. I had a short story
Speaker 2: about a guy and a girl. Oh yeah, because I
Speaker 2: sent her to the borderland thing. The short story about
Speaker 2: the girl and the guy in the convertible car in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: in the farmland and Connecticut course, right, and they end
Speaker 2: up at that Darrylic farm stand right, yes, yeah.
Speaker 4: And I remember you were describing the walk in freezer.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because that's I actually worked in one, and we.
Speaker 4: Were thinking that it was one of those things that
Speaker 4: they carried to a cookout, like a little cool that
Speaker 4: Carrie's beer cooler. What it was obviously a regional term.
Speaker 2: Right as it was a colloquialism, and I didn't realize
Speaker 2: that exactly exactly had to fix that, had to fix that, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So what was funny was I said it in Connecticut,
Speaker 2: so that it would be close to Parl Farm. That's
Speaker 2: because that happened in Connecticut. So I tried to associate
Speaker 2: it with, you know, something from that t Incline vibe.
Speaker 2: And because because in fact I should mention this, you
Speaker 2: probably are aware of this. When I was a kid,
Speaker 2: I used to send stories into Twilight Zone magazine when
Speaker 2: TD Climb was the editor.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that's correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like fourteen, you know, I had a subscription.
Speaker 2: My mom got it for me. And missus Searling, rod
Speaker 2: Serling's wife, was the publisher, and she was yeah, and
Speaker 2: I know, yeah Carol Sarling and rest rest your soul.
Speaker 2: They would get rejected, but she always put little pencil
Speaker 2: notes on the top when Yeah. It was always awesome.
Speaker 2: And I got to meet her later at Ithaca one
Speaker 2: of those rod Serling conventions, and we corresponded later, like
Speaker 2: when I went to work at Outer Limits to go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I remember you. I remember you. You know, good job,
Speaker 2: you're achieving it. And I'm like, oh, hey, this is
Speaker 2: really cool, you know, So that was awesome.
Speaker 4: She was really a sweet lady.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she was really really nice. And their kids
Speaker 2: are great too, really nice people. But listen, Tom, let's
Speaker 2: let's talk just close things off. Let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit more about about the website again. It's Borderlands Press.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting doing the recorded show with you right
Speaker 2: now because you know, I'm not looking at comments from
Speaker 2: people in the audience or anything like that as we stream,
Speaker 2: but I will heartily recommend all of the books that
Speaker 2: you've got. Let's look at at the shop. Let's look
Speaker 2: at what people can order from the shop. So many
Speaker 2: different special editions. As we mentioned, you've got special editions
Speaker 2: of the Wayward Pines Duology that is absolutely great and it.
Speaker 4: Was really popular that went on, That went over really well. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there were a little our little books section. Our little
Speaker 4: books are very popular. You actually did a little book, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The little book. I loved being able to do the
Speaker 2: little book for the uh Roberty Howard that was just great.
Speaker 12: And the series we do fifteen books in each series,
Speaker 12: fifteen and we because we can find fifteen different colors,
Speaker 12: and every every book is a different color, and it's
Speaker 12: dedicated to a different author, and we get we get
Speaker 12: really well known competent.
Speaker 4: People to edit them. And the next one's going to
Speaker 4: be sax Rowe or edited by Paul Wilson.
Speaker 2: Oh, wow, sax I was just looking at some of
Speaker 2: his stuff, some of his old detective stuff. Whoa, where
Speaker 2: you go?
Speaker 12: There?
Speaker 2: You go? Here, it is here, it is little yellow
Speaker 2: book of sax Romer tales. Let's yeah, let's bring it in.
Speaker 4: And he he didn't worry about being politically correct. He said,
Speaker 4: a perilous yellow book of perilous tales.
Speaker 2: And isn't it isn't it great to remember? You know,
Speaker 2: like when Fu Manchu. Yeah, the Fu Manchu novels were
Speaker 2: out there, you know, they they were obviously they were
Speaker 2: part of the Yellow Peril thing, and people didn't even
Speaker 2: really understand. I think, uh, yeah, they you know, if
Speaker 2: you look at, for example, if you look at the
Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds, the Chinese immigrants coming over to the
Speaker 2: West Coast, A lot of the people in San Francisco,
Speaker 2: Chinatown is very big, but a lot of the native
Speaker 2: workers didn't like people coming over from Asia because they
Speaker 2: would work for less on the in the gold mines
Speaker 2: and so on. And I've brought this up before the
Speaker 2: first time in the United States, as you know, because
Speaker 2: you read my sub stack and you're probably aware of this.
Speaker 2: The immigration isn't a federal issue. It's actually a state issue.
Speaker 2: And it was eighteen it was yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: And it was eighteen seventy five that part of this
Speaker 2: this growing push to stop immigrants from Japan or China
Speaker 2: or wherever started to rise up because they didn't like
Speaker 2: the competition, so they would use all sorts of excuses.
Speaker 2: All the women are going to be prostitutes, they're carrying diseases,
Speaker 2: you know. And in California they actually put up a
Speaker 2: statute that blocked immigration for Chinese when Chinese or Japanese women,
Speaker 2: and they that was appealed to the Supreme Court in
Speaker 2: a case called Chai Lung v. Freemen and it was
Speaker 2: decided in eighteen seventy five. And at that point that's
Speaker 2: when they started. The federal government just took over and
Speaker 2: we got Ellis Island and only these certain places where
Speaker 2: you could come in. And now we can see it's
Speaker 2: such a miss. It's all central command and control, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's not in any way what the founders originally envisioned,
Speaker 2: you know. And so the Yellow Peril thing right there. Then,
Speaker 2: actually this is going to be great. When's that coming out.
Speaker 4: It'll be out in about a week.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, this is gonna be great. And Paul, I mean, tom,
Speaker 2: let me just do this, just grab this here. So
Speaker 2: this is this is the one that I got to edit.
Speaker 2: The Roberty Howard stories. Correct, that's about the size of
Speaker 2: the books, everybody. If you want to check them out,
Speaker 2: go to Borderlands Press. And then you got the E. F.
Speaker 2: Benson one which will be out. What color is that
Speaker 2: going to be pink or something? Or is it I
Speaker 2: don't even know Benson. I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: And that that was a blast too. Just exploring E. F.
Speaker 2: Benson was so much fun.
Speaker 4: Like I said, you nobody that that's part of why
Speaker 4: we did that series is to reintroduce two new readers,
Speaker 4: these writers that were so influential and so good and
Speaker 4: that we just didn't want them to be forgotten.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, Tommy, Nick Saltos, I don't know if you know, Nick,
Speaker 4: he's doing Richard Robert Middleton, the guy that wrote the
Speaker 4: ghost Ship.
Speaker 2: And really yeah, really amazing short stories by him. That's great.
Speaker 4: And the series that where you were in, we did
Speaker 4: Richard Kannell, the guy that did the most dangerous game.
Speaker 2: Oh oh man, what a great story. And you know
Speaker 2: the other thing I want to see, Tom. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm a fan too, right, I mean, but
Speaker 2: the thing about these is what I love is they're
Speaker 2: just the right amount, They're just the right little package.
Speaker 2: And I know you've sold out of a lot of them.
Speaker 2: But if I can engender and convince a number of
Speaker 2: people to go to borderlandspress dot com, borderlandspress dot com,
Speaker 2: check the check out the little Book series and all
Speaker 2: the books.
Speaker 4: But people love them. They they become the serious collector
Speaker 4: of each series. It's great.
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. Finally, Tom, can we talk,
Speaker 2: just finally about the availability of your books in total.
Speaker 2: We've got, of course, the new one that's coming out,
Speaker 2: Memos from the Abyss Right sign A limited to three
Speaker 2: hundred copies, five hundred pages, amazing, amazing stuff. But in
Speaker 2: addition to that, your other works that people can get.
Speaker 2: And as we say, there we have we have Blake
Speaker 2: Crouch with Wayward Pines. They made a TV series out
Speaker 2: of that, which was his sort of homage to Twin Peaks.
Speaker 2: Very very definitely yep. Absolutely, And then let's show these again.
Speaker 2: Blood of the Lamb Thomas mont Leoni definitely not Kansas
Speaker 2: co written with F. Paul and The Secret c plus
Speaker 2: many many other ones by you that people can check out,
Speaker 2: Time Walk or Cool Story. I loved the opening of
Speaker 2: that because I was always a fan of like archaeology
Speaker 2: and stuff. Can we yep Night Train a very very
Speaker 2: amazing story, super cool stuff.
Speaker 4: So people can Press is doing a big special edition
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 2: Really when's that going to be coming out?
Speaker 4: I don't know, but they wanted to do it. Centipede
Speaker 4: wanted to do and they do these crazy beautiful.
Speaker 2: You know now, Tom, I see a lot of these
Speaker 2: are out of stock. Can they get the e book
Speaker 2: versions of these?
Speaker 4: Well, that's that's a good point. My ebook publisher was
Speaker 4: David Wilson at Crossroad, and I had all my stuff
Speaker 4: in ebook and was all doing very well. He is
Speaker 4: also part of the Woke Stoppo. He decided that he
Speaker 4: didn't want to be associated with me anymore. He canceled
Speaker 4: sixty five of our books that were in ebooks, all
Speaker 4: of my stuff, all the little books. He just blew them.
Speaker 4: He blew them off. So now I have a new publisher.
Speaker 4: It's called a new e book publisher. It's mean, mean
Speaker 4: cat Press. They have a new website. They're doing all
Speaker 4: my stuff in the ebooks again, and yeah, I'll be
Speaker 4: I'm back.
Speaker 2: Excellent, excellent, all right, So I'm going to put that
Speaker 2: in me.
Speaker 4: They tried, they tried to destroy me, but they couldn't
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: Oh, excellent, excellent. Well I'm gonna I'll try to make
Speaker 2: sure that I bring that up. Tom, And I want
Speaker 2: to thank you so much for first joining me on
Speaker 2: David Knight's show talking to the audience pre recorded. But
Speaker 2: I hope I can convince the audience to head over
Speaker 2: to the website and check out what you do and
Speaker 2: remember that this is a guy who stood for quality
Speaker 2: and truth and Tom uh you know, as a guy
Speaker 2: who was reading your your your stuff before I knew you.
Speaker 2: I'm just you know, I'm pleased as punched to know you.
Speaker 4: And we'll go to my substack. They can read some
Speaker 4: of the previous my writing for free. It's not going
Speaker 4: to cost him anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me put that in there.
Speaker 4: If they like they like my substack stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: that's good for good for me and good for them.
Speaker 2: Yes, excellent.
Speaker 4: I just my latest one is called Talking in Marble,
Speaker 4: Orchard Blues. It's about I went in. I went with
Speaker 4: a ghosts, some ghost hunters to see what was going
Speaker 4: on in a in a graveyard. So oh, what kind
Speaker 4: of kind of fun did you?
Speaker 2: Were you ever there with us with Heather, Heather and
Speaker 2: Dennis when we went to the uh to the uh
Speaker 2: uh Lizzy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, once we did. We were with you guys
Speaker 4: the first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. That was an interesting experience. That was
Speaker 2: exactly yeah, you know, and I personally think that Lizzie
Speaker 2: did it, but they led her off because of the
Speaker 2: Protestant Catholic uh oh.
Speaker 4: I think she definitely did it. Yeah, because she was
Speaker 4: a woman. They couldn't believe that a woman was capable
Speaker 4: right of such a horror.
Speaker 2: Oh with two people, I mean just crazy. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I remember it was funny because because it wasn't there
Speaker 2: were you there that time that like Dennis and Heather
Speaker 2: wanted me to lie down in the place where they
Speaker 2: found her father's body on the sofa, And I'm like, no, that.
Speaker 4: Was we weren't there that time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was uncomfortable. I didn't want to. That
Speaker 2: was that was wild. Look Tom, thank you, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you, God bless you. Man, you are just a
Speaker 2: true gem borderlandspress dot com. The Tom Montalioni sub stack.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Tom, when people look you up
Speaker 2: on various searcheons, they're.
Speaker 4: Going to see all the yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, and right off the bat, they're gonna see Christopher
Speaker 2: Golden's uh stuff about that, and it's just like, oh boy.
Speaker 4: Okay, the Daily Beast thing and you know, yeah, but
Speaker 4: you know what, I survived because I am a survivor.
Speaker 2: You are you are all right, Tom, thank you. We'll
Speaker 2: close this off and I.
Speaker 4: Under thank you.
Speaker 2: You show you got it. Man, A right, well, pause this,
Speaker 2: You and I will keep talking, say goodbye, and we'll
Speaker 2: do a little something on the show live for the
Speaker 2: David Knight Show, so the audience gets to see it. Okay,
Speaker 2: and he saw me pop in there for a second,
Speaker 2: and a big great thanks to Tom Montalioni for being
Speaker 2: such a great, great guy. And I wanted to show you.
Speaker 2: There's his substack. Look for Thomas F. Montalioni dot substack
Speaker 2: dot com. A great new one that he just put
Speaker 2: out a couple of days ago, a true ghostly tale
Speaker 2: that you'll like again. It's Thomas F. Montalioni dot substack
Speaker 2: dot com. And in case you didn't get to see it,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to mention again this is the documentation
Speaker 2: of what the Bram Stoker Award people were doing. Where
Speaker 2: they said in the interest of full disclosure, given that
Speaker 2: only six of fifty four Lifetime Achievement Awards have been
Speaker 2: awarded to women, says this person inside the Stoker committee,
Speaker 2: I have asked the committee to prioritize female nominees. So yeah,
Speaker 2: not exactly fold disclosure when it takes an internal document
Speaker 2: to have to get it out there, and they don't
Speaker 2: tell people when they give the awards out that that's
Speaker 2: what they're doing. So Tom Montelloni a hero for truth,
Speaker 2: a guy who believes in quality, and a guy who
Speaker 2: I hope people will visit over at of course Borderlands Press.
Speaker 2: Check out Borderlands Press. Now we have the opportunity to
Speaker 2: do something else that I am really looking forward to,
Speaker 2: and he has been patiently waiting to join us, and
Speaker 2: here on the David Knight Show. You know this man.
Speaker 2: I am very pleased to be able to offer us
Speaker 2: the opportunity to bring in a man who fights for
Speaker 2: freedom all the time. He's the kind of guy who
Speaker 2: actually stands up for individual liberty, for being able to
Speaker 2: travel and move, and for exposing the lies of many
Speaker 2: people pople out there. Canna hear a little music that
Speaker 2: David put together and then be joined by Eric Peters
Speaker 2: of Eric Peters autos dot com.
Speaker 13: You're listening to the David Knight Show, all.
Speaker 2: Right, wonderful stuff, and thank you everyone who's contributed to
Speaker 2: the program, and thank you also to this man joining
Speaker 2: us right now, Eric Peters, Eric, thank you for being patient.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. You got to hear a lot
Speaker 2: of that conversation with Tom MONTALIONI and you yourself have
Speaker 2: been fighting censorship and a lot of other things, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring up before we even get into
Speaker 2: many of the amazing pieces that you have, and you
Speaker 2: just posted another one over the past couple hours over
Speaker 2: at Eric petersautos dot com. Of course, people are familiar
Speaker 2: with you if they watch the David Knight program, if
Speaker 2: they watch Liberty Conspiracy, because I've gotten to fill in
Speaker 2: for David admired your stuff. You've been nice enough to
Speaker 2: join me on my show. You've been in a battle
Speaker 2: on X to try to get word out about X,
Speaker 2: and you've been doing some experiments on things there's this
Speaker 2: debate as to whether or not things are really changing
Speaker 2: at X, at Twitter slash X, and whether Elon Musk
Speaker 2: is playing some sort of false dialectic or anything like that.
Speaker 2: You want to offer any thoughts on that once you've
Speaker 2: been trying and what you've been experiencing at X yourself
Speaker 2: getting worried out about your own work.
Speaker 5: Well sure, but before I begin with the introduction that
Speaker 5: you gave me, I feel like I ought to go
Speaker 5: get my Captain Freedom outfit from The Running Man.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but you've got it.
Speaker 5: The Jesse Ventura and Arnold and you know, all these
Speaker 5: these action stars that we liked back in the day
Speaker 5: have turned out to be these sad, tired old authoritarian
Speaker 5: collective as people. It's just it's very very demoralizing.
Speaker 4: Yes, and you know, to find out the truth is
Speaker 4: it was a good.
Speaker 5: Thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is. And like I said, you know
Speaker 2: in the chat with Tom, you know, being able to
Speaker 2: sort of burn away all that that fluff and so on,
Speaker 2: and and you know, it's a process that we go
Speaker 2: through in many cases, in various times in our lives.
Speaker 2: But it has been quite a quite a crucible I
Speaker 2: think to discover the people who are true to truth
Speaker 2: and try to remain true even though you know, there's
Speaker 2: so many different things that pop up and sometimes people
Speaker 2: can stumble and we have different opinions on certain things,
Speaker 2: but you try to be as honest with people as possible.
Speaker 2: And those guys, unfortunately, they've been pulled aside. I think,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe in conversation, if someone were to speak
Speaker 2: with Jesse Ventura, you know, they might say, oh, I
Speaker 2: guess I had the wrong impression about what you did
Speaker 2: or what you're doing and so on. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we assess it as it goes.
Speaker 5: I guess Elon Musk is proving to be kind of
Speaker 5: a younger iteration of that, and we're finding out the
Speaker 5: truth about him sooner rather than later. I'll preface what
Speaker 5: I'm going to say with regard to my personal situation
Speaker 5: by taking note of the fact that when Brazil threatened him,
Speaker 5: initially he pushed back a little bit, but then he
Speaker 5: caved in because he wants the money at the end
Speaker 5: of the day, you know, he wants to maximize his
Speaker 5: revenue streams, so he has acceded to these thugs in
Speaker 5: Brazil who have told him, essentially that if they tell
Speaker 5: him to censor the account of anybody. You know, the
Speaker 5: decree only applied to one particular person, I think, or
Speaker 5: a handful of people. I think there were four or
Speaker 5: five political figures in Brazil that the authoritarian regime doesn't
Speaker 5: like and wants to prevent from expressing themselves publicly on X. Well,
Speaker 5: he cowtowed to that, So what makes anybody think that
Speaker 5: he's not going to do the same thing here? Now
Speaker 5: I'll segue from that to here he does do that
Speaker 5: here in the first place, if you don't pay him
Speaker 5: a fee every month, you're put into kind of an
Speaker 5: alley way of free speech where most of what you
Speaker 5: post isn't seen. And it's kind of like, you know,
Speaker 5: back in the print newspaper days, and I have a
Speaker 5: background print newspaper. It would be like expecting people to
Speaker 5: pay the newspaper to publish their letter to the editor.
Speaker 5: But it's even more egregious than that because in my case,
Speaker 5: for example, in the case of people like Naomi Wolf,
Speaker 5: who's another person who's in my predicament, and wrap report
Speaker 5: is another one who's had the same situation happened.
Speaker 2: John Rappaport, Sure, yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, we're literally providing content to X. You know,
Speaker 5: it's not as though we're just posting one sentence pithy
Speaker 5: little comments. We're actually providing content and we're being expected
Speaker 5: to pay him to put the content on his platform
Speaker 5: so that he can make advertising revenue off of our content.
Speaker 5: And then this applies to everybody who happens to be
Speaker 5: on X. They are mining your data to sell ads,
Speaker 5: so they're making money off of you, and they're expecting
Speaker 5: you to pay for the privilege it is. It is
Speaker 5: a grift on par with his ev grift. So you know,
Speaker 5: there's that. Then there's the really subtle way they just
Speaker 5: shunt the wrong thankful comments. They don't outright ban you usually,
Speaker 5: you know, you'd have to really do something blatant for
Speaker 5: that to happen. You'll think that you've posted something. You know,
Speaker 5: it'll show. The problem is nobody sees it, right, And
Speaker 5: I have been trying to document this on a day
Speaker 5: to day basis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was curious about that. I don't know how
Speaker 2: you have gone about that, And I was fascinating because
Speaker 2: I know this has been a multi week project of yours.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, well it's fairly easy. I've got a significant
Speaker 5: number of followers in traffic. So on a day when
Speaker 5: let's use the analogy of a water spigot, when they
Speaker 5: turn the spigot on and people can see what I've posted,
Speaker 5: I'll typically get twenty plus comments or replies to what
Speaker 5: I've posted within a twelve hour period. Then this figot
Speaker 5: will turn off, and you know, from the next twelve
Speaker 5: to twenty four hours, sometimes even longer than that. Literally,
Speaker 5: nothing that's not natural, that's not organic, because I'm posting
Speaker 5: the same amount of material pretty much every day. I'm
Speaker 5: kind of a workaholic, you know, I do a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff every single day. So I'm posting links and
Speaker 5: things on X so it ought to be consistent. It
Speaker 5: does not make sense that all these people who you know,
Speaker 5: who are following me and who will typically respond to
Speaker 5: something that I've posted on I, say, a Tuesday, would
Speaker 5: not respond at all on a Wednesday to similar things,
Speaker 5: doesn't It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: So I've tied.
Speaker 5: I've tried to take screenshots when I get up in
Speaker 5: the morning of what's happened overnight or in the past
Speaker 5: twelve hours to show people, Okay, look, yesterday I had
Speaker 5: eighteen or nineteen or twenty responses to something and now
Speaker 5: here it is twelve hours later or twenty four hours
Speaker 5: later and there's nothing zero.
Speaker 4: How can that be?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know that's what they're doing. And it's
Speaker 5: there's a good analogy here. I think they you know,
Speaker 5: they are the federal government. These bureaucratic apparatchicks are smart
Speaker 5: enough not to outlaw cars with engines, because there might
Speaker 5: be pushback from that. It's too blatant, it's too obvious.
Speaker 5: So rather than outlaw them, what they do is they
Speaker 5: out regulate them. They enact these regulations that effectively serve
Speaker 5: to push them off the road because you can't comply
Speaker 5: with them. Not realistic, but not economic, right, So you know, okay,
Speaker 5: well sure you could. You know, Harris even say it
Speaker 5: the other day. You know, we're not trying to we're
Speaker 5: not trying to suppress people's opportunity to buy a gas
Speaker 5: engine car if they want to. Well, yeah you are.
Speaker 5: You're you're forcing the manufacturers to not make them anymore
Speaker 5: in favor of either pure electric cars or hybrid cars,
Speaker 5: which are the only vehicles that can comply with these regulations.
Speaker 5: And that's how they do it. And it's really it's
Speaker 5: very insidious because most people do not understand how the
Speaker 5: regulatory apparat works.
Speaker 2: You know, they they And we were talking about fascism before,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even bring up you know, the economic
Speaker 2: definition of fascism is the nominative in name only ownership
Speaker 2: of private property or business with the mixing of government
Speaker 2: and corporate interests together, as Mussobelini Mussolini loves so much.
Speaker 2: So that's exactly it. Whether it's the EPA or OSHA,
Speaker 2: or it's the state of California dictating to car companies
Speaker 2: because they have such a large pool of customers there
Speaker 2: that car companies will fall in line these types of things.
Speaker 2: They literally are taking away people's opportunities to see variations,
Speaker 2: to be able to freely associate with people and decide
Speaker 2: for themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the adversary relationship that once existed, say between
Speaker 5: the car makers and the government, that's going away.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Fascism more fine is when the corporate structures literally embed
Speaker 5: themselves with the government and effectively they are the same entity.
Speaker 5: You know, they are serving each other's interests. And that's
Speaker 5: what's happened to the car companies. And I've been witnessed
Speaker 5: to this I've been doing this for thirty years now,
Speaker 5: and back when I started out in the nineties, they
Speaker 5: would push back when when the regulatory apparat would propose
Speaker 5: something airbacks, for example, when that first came out, I
Speaker 5: was witnessed to this first person. They brought an engineers.
Speaker 5: They tried to talk to the federal regulators at NTSA
Speaker 5: and they said, look, it's not just about the money.
Speaker 5: You know, these things are not perfect, and they're going
Speaker 5: to hurt some people, and they're probably going to kill
Speaker 5: some people, and you know you should take that into
Speaker 5: consideration before you pass a mandate or a requirement that
Speaker 5: every new car has this. They stopped doing that now
Speaker 5: they actually anticipate mandates. In fact, they will propose things
Speaker 5: be put into cars because they can make more money.
Speaker 5: It's rent seeking grifts.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, you've inspired me, because
Speaker 2: just yesterday I saw our report on how the carbon
Speaker 2: capture so called industry, which is at this point unregulated,
Speaker 2: they claim, is asking for the federal government to regulate
Speaker 2: it out of their great magnanimous nature, which everybody knows
Speaker 2: is rent seeking because they are established and they want
Speaker 2: these regulations and impositions to block other people from coming
Speaker 2: into already something that is a totally ginned up, non
Speaker 2: market oriented field of endeavor that shouldn't even exist in
Speaker 2: the first place.
Speaker 5: There's another example. You know, we are presented with this notion,
Speaker 5: this hissterical notion, that we face an existential crisis on
Speaker 5: account of the climate changing. And the climate is changing,
Speaker 5: they tell us because of gas engine vehicles. So we've
Speaker 5: got to get people into electric cars. That's what they
Speaker 5: tell us. Existential crisis, right, serious business. If we take
Speaker 5: that premise, Hm, well, if that's the case, then why
Speaker 5: don't they allow these only low cost electric vehicles that
Speaker 5: are manufactured by the Chinese and other companies that you
Speaker 5: can pick up for eight thousand bucks equivalent in China
Speaker 5: into the United States. It's an existential crisis, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Don't you want more people in these evs when you
Speaker 5: want more affordable evs instead. What's being forced on people
Speaker 5: is this grift of these fifty thousand dollars plus high end,
Speaker 5: high performance, luxury evs. They almost all tout how quick
Speaker 5: they are, right, I mean, every time you encounter somebody
Speaker 5: who's an EV advocate, they'll tell you my EV can
Speaker 5: get to sixty and three point nine seconds or whatever
Speaker 5: it is. Wait a minute. If it's an existential crisis,
Speaker 5: if the planet is going to fall apart, we're all
Speaker 5: going to die. What are you worried about? How quickly
Speaker 5: this thing goes? Observe to sixty. It should be minimalism.
Speaker 5: It shouldn't be anything more than the bare necessity of
Speaker 5: what it takes to get from A to B.
Speaker 2: Exactly, you got a pair down that used of carbon.
Speaker 2: You can't enjoy a faster ride. In fact, you should
Speaker 2: just get sales, sit on skateboards and go with the wind.
Speaker 2: Even that you have to cut the trees that we
Speaker 2: gotta just walk and don't even wear shoes, just go naked.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine. It's much better that way. And you remind
Speaker 2: me Eric or speaking with Eric Peters of Eric Peters
Speaker 2: autos dot com. Follow him at x as libertarian car Gee.
Speaker 2: I'm Gardner Goldsmith filling in for David Knight. Eric Peters
Speaker 2: a great regular guest on the David Knight Show. And
Speaker 2: of course you can find my show and Eric is
Speaker 2: off in there as well, and that is Liberty Conspiracy
Speaker 2: at six pm Monday through Friday. Go to Rumble and
Speaker 2: Rockfin and all that stuff. But I should mention Eric,
Speaker 2: this will show you just seeing the politicians when they're
Speaker 2: appearing with the unions, when they're going to the automobile companies.
Speaker 2: It's this weird, bifurcated almost cyclical thing where that right there,
Speaker 2: you're seeing fascism in action on video right in front
Speaker 2: of your eyes, because they're catering to the unions or
Speaker 2: the car companies at the same time that they're leveraging
Speaker 2: off of regulations that have already been imposed, and the
Speaker 2: regulatory state which already is there and has been there
Speaker 2: for so long that can continue to come down and
Speaker 2: hurt them or play favorites. So we have an example
Speaker 2: of the so called freedom guy JD. Vance. And this
Speaker 2: is a great example of where in one area MRCTV
Speaker 2: and I had differing opinions. They I had a piece
Speaker 2: about Kamala Harris and her ev bus adoration and how
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party ended up getting a boost cyclically coming
Speaker 2: back from an ev bust maker, not pro Tera, a
Speaker 2: different one that gave they got money from the Feds
Speaker 2: and then the head of that company gave money to
Speaker 2: the Democrat Party. So that was part of the article.
Speaker 2: But I said, you know, if you think that this
Speaker 2: is just Democrats, you're wrong because JD. Vance, when he
Speaker 2: was in Michigan about seven days ago, actually appeared and
Speaker 2: told people he didn't like what the Biden administration was
Speaker 2: doing about EV's It was terrible what they were doing
Speaker 2: this stuff. And then the reason he gave that it
Speaker 2: was terrible was because they weren't giving more money for
Speaker 2: EV development in Detroit. So you know, he's just going
Speaker 2: to be adding to the fascism. And you just say,
Speaker 2: first of all, you're on the most basic level. You're
Speaker 2: supposed to be swearing an oath to the Constitution. Where
Speaker 2: in the world an article eight million? Are you finding
Speaker 2: that as something you are enumerated to do? And then
Speaker 2: we could get into the deeper philosophy that Lessanders Spooner said.
Speaker 2: Even if you have a group of people two hundred
Speaker 2: years ago who signed a piece of paper that says
Speaker 2: we who take these offices will have authority over other people,
Speaker 2: that doesn't make it legitimate. There's no authority over other
Speaker 2: people that a group of people can sign for themselves.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 5: One of the most fascinating aspects of this to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to.
Speaker 5: Say you're into. Something Trump said is that, you know,
Speaker 5: they pretend on the right to oppose the left, but
Speaker 5: they agree with the left on the fundamentals. And so
Speaker 5: how do you contest the left when you yourself have
Speaker 5: already agreed with it. Here's the example that I'll bring forward.
Speaker 5: A couple of weeks ago. Trump was talking about how
Speaker 5: if he's elected, he's going to do something about the
Speaker 5: high cost of car insurance. He's going to uh, he's
Speaker 5: going to buy FIAT. He's going to issue some kind
Speaker 5: of price controls. He's going to say, you know, they
Speaker 5: have to lower them by fifty percent or whatever. So
Speaker 5: you know, he doesn't question, well, why is the government
Speaker 5: in the first place forcing people to buy a product
Speaker 5: or service, any product or service. That's the problem. If
Speaker 5: you can't say no to anything, it's going to cost
Speaker 5: you more at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: The reason that that say, you can still buy a
Speaker 5: three or four dollars cup of coffee, and I know
Speaker 5: that's that's pretty ridiculous too, is because you're free to
Speaker 5: not buy it. You know, can you imagine if there
Speaker 5: were a mandate that you had to buy a cup
Speaker 5: of coffee and not only that there will only say
Speaker 5: two or three places that you could go to buy coffee, you.
Speaker 2: Know cost I should bring up. Also, then there are
Speaker 2: the hidden mandates even if you bring up something like
Speaker 2: a cup of coffee. As as James Bovar wrote in
Speaker 2: the book The Fair Trade Fraud, if you look at
Speaker 2: all the hidden mandates on even the people trying to
Speaker 2: bring you coffee or milk or cheese, or women's braziers,
Speaker 2: they've got tariffs against French braziers and textiles. So behind
Speaker 2: many of the things that are actually on the shelves
Speaker 2: are interlopers deciding for you that no, you know what,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to buy that other thing, your freedom
Speaker 2: of choice is now going to be penalized. We're deciding,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, through tariffs, what is essential and what
Speaker 2: is non essential, which is a form of fascism. You
Speaker 2: are playing up certain types of endeavors for your friends,
Speaker 2: the domestic friends, whether they're the union members or people
Speaker 2: who think that the native jobs have to be protected,
Speaker 2: and you're taking away someone's choice. It's insane.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a really simplic, childish thing that has been
Speaker 5: imparted to kids now for generation generations, so that they
Speaker 5: when they hear that word fascism, what they think of
Speaker 5: are jack booted stormtroopers marching in review before Hitler. They
Speaker 5: don't understand the economics of.
Speaker 2: Fascism, right.
Speaker 5: You know, you mentioned what you said earlier, what you
Speaker 5: mentioned earlier about Mussolini, you know, the inventor of modern
Speaker 5: fascism and the symbols of fascism which go back to
Speaker 5: ancient Rome. Very very few people, I doubtny I got
Speaker 5: one out of one hundred people would be able to
Speaker 5: tell you what the fascis are, what the word fascism
Speaker 5: itself means.
Speaker 2: Or the fact that they're on the Lincoln Memorial correct, yeah,
Speaker 2: that fascist himself.
Speaker 5: And you know, with regard to these costs, you know,
Speaker 5: people have no idea. One of the reasons we're so
Speaker 5: impoverish is because you have to get permission to transact business.
Speaker 5: There's a middle man between you and your potential customer.
Speaker 5: For example, Don and I have thought about the idea
Speaker 5: of having a little food truck, you know, because we
Speaker 5: live in a rural area, so people have to drive
Speaker 5: very far to get things, and we thought, you know, wow,
Speaker 5: people would probably like to have, you know, like a
Speaker 5: little food truck that has some Chinese food, let's say,
Speaker 5: just some basic things, you know, spring rolls and general soce,
Speaker 5: chicken and stuff like that. But you can't just get
Speaker 5: a food truck and you know and set it up
Speaker 5: even on your own property. You know, we can put
Speaker 5: it on my land adjacent to the road without the
Speaker 5: government's permission and the government's supervision, and the cost is exorbitant.
Speaker 5: And then there's the hassle. I have a friend who
Speaker 5: is a restaurant owner, and you know, he was constantly
Speaker 5: being pestered and hassled and made to pay money to
Speaker 5: some officious little bureaucrat from the county who would visit
Speaker 5: his restaurant all the time to you know, check things out.
Speaker 5: There are no assertions that anybody has been harmed by
Speaker 5: any of it. Nobody's being forced to eat there. Everybody's
Speaker 5: happy in terms of, you know, the customers getting what
Speaker 5: they want, the service is being provided. So what's the problem.
Speaker 5: But we've been so habituated as a culture and a
Speaker 5: society to thinking that, you know, in order for that
Speaker 5: to happen, you have to have the government's permission, and
Speaker 5: you have to have the government supervision, as if entities
Speaker 5: like the FDA are doing a real fine job of
Speaker 5: making sure the food supply is safe.
Speaker 2: And you know, Eric, i'll I do want to bring
Speaker 2: up someone over on X brought up a point that
Speaker 2: actually opens up another dimension to this on the immigration
Speaker 2: side of it, and that is this galloys rites, they're
Speaker 2: red taping us to death and importing cheap labor. And
Speaker 2: you know, there is some very strong validity there when
Speaker 2: we think about what businesses end up having to do
Speaker 2: when their production costs whatever the you know, the means
Speaker 2: of production are for them, where the government imposes higher
Speaker 2: and higher costs on say, importing steel or other things
Speaker 2: from other countries, and then they have all these regulations
Speaker 2: that impose things like minimum wage and all these things. Well,
Speaker 2: of course they're going to try to find any way
Speaker 2: they possibly can in their production line to lower costs somehow,
Speaker 2: some way. So, now when you've got a government, which
Speaker 2: itself is artificial, counter to what a natural market would
Speaker 2: be doing, bringing people in through the central command and
Speaker 2: control immigration powers. Now they've literally got apps that the
Speaker 2: central government is giving people. They're housing people in New
Speaker 2: York City for free, so they're subsidizing moves in the
Speaker 2: other direction. Of course, so it's just ridiculous. And I
Speaker 2: do think that that's a valid point to bring up.
Speaker 2: I think that's a very good point, and I'd love
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that as we and we
Speaker 2: have even more great comments from people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, something's related that pops into my mind.
Speaker 5: You probably heard about McDonald's and other fast food chains
Speaker 5: that are trying to automate their stores. Yeah, because it's
Speaker 5: you know, I worked at McDonald's as a teenager back
Speaker 5: in the eighties, and I made three dollars and thirty
Speaker 5: five cents an hour because I was a kid, and
Speaker 5: I was doing a really basic, entry level job operating
Speaker 5: the fry machine like Donald Trump did a week ago,
Speaker 5: you know, and handing people their bags of food. You know,
Speaker 5: it's not a high skilled job, and I'm in no
Speaker 5: way denigrating it. You know, it was a good work experience.
Speaker 5: You know, you learn to show up on time, you
Speaker 5: learn to be responsible. All of these things are good
Speaker 5: and healthy. But it's not supposed to be a career,
Speaker 5: and it's not supposed to be something that can support
Speaker 5: a family. But the government has decreed in some states
Speaker 5: that you have to pay these people what fifteen twenty
Speaker 5: dollars an hour to operate the fry machine. And you
Speaker 5: wonder why a big Mac costs seven dollars. There's a
Speaker 5: reason for this, and it gets to the point of unsustainability.
Speaker 5: It gets to the point where McDonald's even can no
Speaker 5: longer make a profit. When you know, people go through
Speaker 5: the drive through and they buy you a couple of
Speaker 5: burgers and some fries for themselves and their kids, and
Speaker 5: it's fifty bucks. It's sixty bucks for McDonald's. So those
Speaker 5: aals do McDonald's figures out, Well, you know, we just
Speaker 5: can't afford to pay these people anymore. It's not personal,
Speaker 5: they're not trying to be mean. They just can't do it. So,
Speaker 5: you know, they have to. They come up with robots
Speaker 5: and so now you go into the thing and there's
Speaker 5: a kiosk instead of a human being. And the thing
Speaker 5: that really sucks about that is that teenagers like I
Speaker 5: was back in the eighties no longer have access to
Speaker 5: those jobs. They no longer get that first leg into
Speaker 5: the workforce, which, which is unfortunate and tragic, which is
Speaker 5: happens every time when these these these technocratic, busybody people
Speaker 5: that are the government, Uh, interpose themselves in the free market.
Speaker 2: And you know, Eric, one of the things that I
Speaker 2: do want to make sure that I mentioned because involved
Speaker 2: with this, I think are sometimes people have either what
Speaker 2: are soon to be traditional views or they sort of
Speaker 2: have again sort of a normalcy bias towards looking at
Speaker 2: things in a certain way that have been dictated or
Speaker 2: or massaged by politics. So for example, if we're if
Speaker 2: we're talking about uh, the different the different resources one
Speaker 2: needs in the production line for a business or whatever,
Speaker 2: one of the things that people will say is, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, if the government is imposing costs on people
Speaker 2: through minimum wage laws, that will incentivize them to then
Speaker 2: invest in machinery, and those those young people are going
Speaker 2: to be locked out. And the key thing here is
Speaker 2: that either way, the consumer is now having to show
Speaker 2: out more for what the consumer could have gotten for
Speaker 2: less in the past, which is one of the key
Speaker 2: things in James Bouvard's writing in the Fair Trade Fraud,
Speaker 2: one of the key things in great in the nineteenth
Speaker 2: century economists Frederick Bastier what is seen and what has
Speaker 2: not seen, the opportunity costs that government and positions bring.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I'd like to bring up
Speaker 2: is when in the other direction, you've get the central
Speaker 2: government deciding for everybody what their human interaction is going
Speaker 2: to be, restricting their ability to be able to hire
Speaker 2: someone who might live in Singapore and be providing a
Speaker 2: product because they're putting a tarif on there, or literally
Speaker 2: another human being from coming in to work at his place.
Speaker 2: If they're saying, you know what, we're going to restrict
Speaker 2: your pool of resources. We're going to make it more
Speaker 2: difficult for you to get steel. What does that do
Speaker 2: to the price of steel? It goes up. If we're
Speaker 2: going to restrict your ability to be able to hire employees,
Speaker 2: what does that do to the price of the employee
Speaker 2: line of your production. It's going to go up. So
Speaker 2: we go to Mark Krekorian, and many people admire Mark k.
Speaker 2: Koran from the Center for Immigration Studies, but he was
Speaker 2: utterly wrong. And even Rush Limbaugh said, you know he
Speaker 2: was right. They were both wrong in this case. When
Speaker 2: back during the w. Bush administration they were talking about
Speaker 2: having really strong central authority restrictions on immigration, and Krekorian said, oh,
Speaker 2: this will be great, and I put it in my
Speaker 2: book and look for your die because he said, you know,
Speaker 2: it will push the businesses to have to invest in
Speaker 2: new technology, so over the long run, that'll be fine.
Speaker 2: It's like, look, why don't you leave it up to them?
Speaker 2: Why do you want to increase the cost for their
Speaker 2: labor force so that now the consumer will have less
Speaker 2: money left over because they got to pay more for
Speaker 2: the thing they could have gotten for less before. That
Speaker 2: money would have been invested in a different business that
Speaker 2: would have employed another person. But you and your central authority,
Speaker 2: you're telling people, no, I know better than you. I'm
Speaker 2: going to prevent your freedom of association from hiring someone.
Speaker 2: Where does that stop? Can you hire somebody from outside
Speaker 2: your state? Can you bring somebody in from outside your town?
Speaker 2: Can you bring in a plumber into your house? Or
Speaker 2: should you do all the work yourself? It is, it's insane.
Speaker 2: It's totally ridiculous.
Speaker 5: It's not insane.
Speaker 4: It's self interested. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good point.
Speaker 5: You're sting their own interests. And you remember the butterfly
Speaker 5: effect you've heard there. Ye, what you just brought up
Speaker 5: has to do with that. So when I buy something
Speaker 5: that costs more, that means that I have less money
Speaker 5: available to spend on other things. And people don't see that.
Speaker 5: So if I can't spend money, let's say, on oh,
Speaker 5: I don't know something around the house that I might
Speaker 5: want to hire somebody to do. Let's say some electrical
Speaker 5: upgrades or something. That work doesn't get farmed out because
Speaker 5: I can't afford to hire that electrician, So that electrician
Speaker 5: doesn't get paid, he loses the work, he has less money.
Speaker 5: So it just it expands outward forever, you know, in
Speaker 5: this cycle of impoverishment, and you know, to get back
Speaker 5: to this, this whole thing. It really gets my backup
Speaker 5: the way these these these putative do gooders, because they
Speaker 5: like to preen and and posture and and and present
Speaker 5: themselves as the benefactors of humanity, they're nothing of the
Speaker 5: kind they're They're really dark people in my mind. You know,
Speaker 5: some of them are dumb and maybe they don't know better,
Speaker 5: but the smarter ones do, uh, they know what they're
Speaker 5: what the game is, and the game is that they
Speaker 5: get control and power and they reduce us all.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I have this little graphic that I sometimes put up
Speaker 5: with some of my articles called yes a massa, you know,
Speaker 5: and it's it's it's kind of a more coarse way
Speaker 5: of putting what Ann Rand wrote about in a lot
Speaker 5: of her books.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know this, this having to cowtow and be obsequious
Speaker 5: before these these people in the government who have power
Speaker 5: over you, and you know you dare not question or
Speaker 5: say anything about it because they can make your life help,
Speaker 5: they can ruin your business, they can really mess things up.
Speaker 5: So you kind of have to. Yes, a mass, I'll
Speaker 5: go along with what you say. You know, you know
Speaker 5: it's it's not as though Abe Lincoln freed the slave,
Speaker 5: an enslave bas all is ultimately what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: Yes, boy, these are great points. And of course, and
Speaker 2: again I'll mention, you know, not to to to focus
Speaker 2: on tariffs uh too much during our conversation, but I
Speaker 2: do want to bring up uh. We often hear the
Speaker 2: line that people say Thomas Jefferson balanced the budget, uh
Speaker 2: and only relied on tariffs, not the excise tax. Inside
Speaker 2: the United States, they didn't have any income tax during
Speaker 2: Jefferson and he said, no man, no man saw the
Speaker 2: tax the taxman. Well, yes, people, a lot of people
Speaker 2: saw the tax man. If you were an importer, you
Speaker 2: saw the tax man. And the fact that some people
Speaker 2: who bought the stuff from the importers who had to
Speaker 2: pay the tariffs and then had to increase their prices.
Speaker 2: Meant that they indirectly saw the tax man. They didn't
Speaker 2: see him directly, but they paid the tax. So this
Speaker 2: is an utter canard. And you bring up the Civil War.
Speaker 2: That was the main driver for the reason why the
Speaker 2: South wanted to get away from the New because they
Speaker 2: were dominating the Congress and they were forcing such high
Speaker 2: tariffs on things that the South could use his imports.
Speaker 2: They were trying to drive the South to buy the
Speaker 2: Northeastern products rather than get them from France or Italy
Speaker 2: or England.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 5: As Tom do Lorenzo, who I think is one of
Speaker 5: the best writers on this topic, has explained, Lincoln even offered,
Speaker 5: you know, to come to any kind of compromise, provided
Speaker 5: that the South would not depart from the Union, because
Speaker 5: it was about the money. It had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: With the slavery.
Speaker 5: That was the boogeyman. That was the moralizing boogeyman that
Speaker 5: they came up with and which has managed to perpetuate
Speaker 5: itself to this very day. The northern industrial interests that
Speaker 5: control the federal government were crippling the South economically that's
Speaker 5: the bottom line. That's what it was all about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And de Lorenzo's books The Real Lincoln and
Speaker 2: Lincoln Unmasked are phenomenal, and of course his book How
Speaker 2: Capitalism Saved America is also just spot on. Talking about
Speaker 2: as you and I have discussed before, the thousands of
Speaker 2: miles of private, really privately run roads. People say who
Speaker 2: will build the roads, the idea of the toll the
Speaker 2: toll bridges, toll house cookies, and the idea that you're
Speaker 2: not going to take land through eminent domain. If somebody
Speaker 2: wants to build a road, they have to approach you
Speaker 2: and freely ask you if you will take money for
Speaker 2: the land. And businesses had incentives to try to set
Speaker 2: up their own roads and manage them. Well, this is great. Eric.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about what's going on over at Eric petersautos
Speaker 2: dot com and feel free to mention anything else if
Speaker 2: you want to remind people. Again, let's talk about X.
Speaker 2: We can get your X feed out there. It's at
Speaker 2: its Libertarian car g I flashed up on the screen.
Speaker 2: I mean the team here, the team here, flash up
Speaker 2: on the screen. One of your latest articles something else
Speaker 2: about airbags, and I love the picture. It reminds me
Speaker 2: of the old days when I would be with my friends,
Speaker 2: the Leeches, because they used to pick up fix up
Speaker 2: Volkswagen bugs and you know, the stick shift would be there,
Speaker 2: the engine was open behind us and you get it,
Speaker 2: and it would just be a shell like a dune buggy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I love that airbag. Tell us about this article
Speaker 2: just published yesterday at Eric Peters Auto's Well.
Speaker 5: It kind of dovetails on what we've been talking about
Speaker 5: in the sense that it's another example of these interpositions
Speaker 5: by these busybodies who make cost value, risk reward judgments
Speaker 5: for us arrogantly. You know, they decide whether something is
Speaker 5: good for us, and never mind that there might be
Speaker 5: some bad aspects to it. In their judgment, the overall
Speaker 5: goodness of it justifies imposing costs and risks on everybody.
Speaker 5: That's just the way it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: The kind of arrogance is behind that is something that
Speaker 5: I find difficult to understand, and you probably do too.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I think people adults ought to be free to form
Speaker 5: their own judgments about risks and reward and cost and benefit,
Speaker 5: because after all, they're the ones who pay for both
Speaker 5: of those things. You know at the end of the day.
Speaker 5: And I think it's presumptive and evil to take that
Speaker 5: choice away from somebody, because effectively, you're saying, well, I
Speaker 5: don't I'm going to just I'm going to do this thing,
Speaker 5: make you do it, and if you get hurt, well,
Speaker 5: too bad. I've decided so to get into this airbag thing.
Speaker 5: You know, the federal government has been requiring airbags and
Speaker 5: new vehicles since the nineties. And the thing with airbags
Speaker 5: is well, one of the things. Is it like any
Speaker 5: any apparatus, and it's not just airbags, it's a system.
Speaker 5: It's people have to understand that. It's not just the bag.
Speaker 5: There's an inflator, there's wiring, there's sensors, all these things
Speaker 5: that go out throughout the car. Well, like any other
Speaker 5: mechanical electrical system, Eventually, over time they deteriorate, parts stop working,
Speaker 5: things stop failed, they fail, and you know, then they
Speaker 5: don't work. And with airbags that can be a big problem.
Speaker 5: You know, the thing might just explode in your face.
Speaker 5: That's happened, or it might not work at all. A
Speaker 5: few years ago, I was pulling through one of the
Speaker 5: owner's manuals for one of the new cars that I
Speaker 5: testroy and it's set in the back and that the
Speaker 5: airbag system should be replaced after twelve years because of
Speaker 5: safety safety considerations. And that's true, because this is becomes
Speaker 5: unreliable the older it gets. You've got a lot of
Speaker 5: vehicles on the road that are now in daily service
Speaker 5: that are fifteen twenty years old. Because cars are pretty
Speaker 5: reliable now, the potentially have these airbags in them that
Speaker 5: are unsafe. And this goes beyond the defective airbags that
Speaker 5: everybody has heard about that involve millions and millions of
Speaker 5: vehicles that have been manufactured over the past twenty years. Well,
Speaker 5: if the federal Safety apparatu is so very concerned about
Speaker 5: our safety, why don't they do something about that? And
Speaker 5: they don't, of course, because it's situational, it's arbitrary, and
Speaker 5: they're not really concerned about safety. What they're concerned about
Speaker 5: is their authority. Really good example, during this Takata airbag
Speaker 5: fiasco that's still undoing, because there's so many vehicles with
Speaker 5: these defective airbags that it's going to take years to
Speaker 5: get them through the dealerships, you know, to get the
Speaker 5: old air bags taken out and the new ones put
Speaker 5: in these things. It's just it's a matter of throughput
Speaker 5: and flow. Well, the government can sees that these air
Speaker 5: bags are dangerous and defective. They've said so publicly. They
Speaker 5: still will not permit people who are waiting for a
Speaker 5: dealer to give them an appointment that might take six months,
Speaker 5: a year, who knows how long it's going to take.
Speaker 5: They won't even permit them to have a temporary off
Speaker 5: switch or disabled a system for the period of time
Speaker 5: that it takes to get the car in to get
Speaker 5: the air bag replaced. Why is that we're so very
Speaker 5: concerned about our safety.
Speaker 2: That's maniacal. That's like when Lady Dole was pushing these
Speaker 2: things onto people and they were, you know, breaking the
Speaker 2: necks of little kids who were in the front seat.
Speaker 5: Yes, exactly. And to get back when we talked about
Speaker 5: this when I first came on with you, the engineers
Speaker 5: told that to these people at the Regulatory apper At.
Speaker 5: They said, look, they were insisting. The regulatory appra At
Speaker 5: was telling the automakers that you have to make the
Speaker 5: airbags deploy with a certain force that assumes an adult
Speaker 5: male in the seat. And they came back and said, well,
Speaker 5: you know not everybody's an adult male of a certain stature.
Speaker 5: There are old people who are frail, there are kids,
Speaker 5: There are women who are small stature, a small bones.
Speaker 5: You know, if this bag deploys with the force that
Speaker 5: might be necessary to cushion a two hundred pounds man
Speaker 5: and the person in the seat is one hundred and
Speaker 5: twenty pounds, you know, you could result that that could
Speaker 5: could you know, could break their neck or smash their
Speaker 5: facial bones. And it has and it did. They don't care.
Speaker 5: They don't care. Keep in mind, these are the same
Speaker 5: people who pushed the safe and effective drugs on people.
Speaker 5: And they knew it. They knew it before anything happened.
Speaker 5: They had their own internal studies. They knew about the milecarditis,
Speaker 5: they knew about the bells palsy, they knew.
Speaker 4: About all these things.
Speaker 5: They don't care. And if there's a working definition of
Speaker 5: a psychopath, that's it, isn't it somebody who's conscious and
Speaker 5: knowing that what they're trying to make you do is
Speaker 5: going to hurt you possibly, and they don't care. There's
Speaker 5: no empathy, there's no there's no remorse, there's no guilt.
Speaker 2: That's right, And it gets even worse oftentimes as we
Speaker 2: see with Protera, and brought it up Jennifer Grant Home
Speaker 2: and how she was governor of Michigan and then during
Speaker 2: the Obama administration, they had the so called American Recovery Act,
Speaker 2: utterly on const institutional and morally handing out billions of dollars.
Speaker 2: GM got, you know, millions and millions of dollars and
Speaker 2: billions of dollars actually, and she was able to get
Speaker 2: a six million broken off for this company, Protero, when
Speaker 2: she was governor, and then when she left the governorship,
Speaker 2: they brought her on their board. Then they gave her
Speaker 2: stock options when she left the board, and she cashed
Speaker 2: those in a few weeks before they declared bankruptcy and
Speaker 2: she made three million bucks. Almost.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, they're pretty rotten scoundrels, but they're not funny,
Speaker 5: you know, in the way that the movie.
Speaker 2: Was so true. And you bring up a very important
Speaker 2: practical point here. I'd love to show this from the website. Everybody,
Speaker 2: our guest is Eric Peters. Go to Eric petersautos dot com,
Speaker 2: follow him on x if you get the opportunity to
Speaker 2: open up a tab, check him out, come right back.
Speaker 2: Do it. After the show whatever you can here in
Speaker 2: the David Knight program. He is at Libertarian Car g
Speaker 2: But you bring this up, you say, it would probably
Speaker 2: cost at least three thousand dollars to have the himber
Speaker 2: and front passenger airbags and all related components replaced. The
Speaker 2: truck is maybe worth four thousand dollars. This is why
Speaker 2: so many otherwise mechanically sound older vehicles like my truck
Speaker 2: are declared total losses after an accident that results in
Speaker 2: the deployment of the airbags, even though the vehicle is
Speaker 2: or rather would be otherwise reparable. But the air bags
Speaker 2: must be replaced because if not, the vehicle isn't legal
Speaker 2: to operate on the government's roads. Just incredible, It's just
Speaker 2: and you know again, it's like the seatboat. You say
Speaker 2: to yourself, who am I harming outside of this vehicle?
Speaker 2: If I don't do this inside the vehicle, no one,
Speaker 2: no one, Why are you telling me that you are?
Speaker 2: You are now just the very thought of telling me
Speaker 2: what to do peacefully in my car is a thought
Speaker 2: of aggression. So stop it.
Speaker 5: Well, what they come back with, and I'm sure you've
Speaker 5: heard this, society will pay those sorts. Of course, that's
Speaker 5: a hypothetical discirted harm in the first place, it hasn't
Speaker 5: actually happened. But it's also completely arbitrary. What about the
Speaker 5: pot belly cop who's arterio sclerotic, who pulls you over
Speaker 5: to issue you a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt.
Speaker 5: What about the costs he's going to impose on society
Speaker 5: when he finally keels over from heart attack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely completely arbitrary.
Speaker 5: They tell me I have to wear a helmet when
Speaker 5: I ride my motorcycle, but it's okay if I wear
Speaker 5: a T shirt and shorts and flip flops.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing because private insurance and if you actually
Speaker 2: were free to get private health insurance or car insurance,
Speaker 2: they offer incentives to people. You don't have to take it.
Speaker 2: If you don't want it. You might pay a little
Speaker 2: more if you're a smoking, skydiving, you know, heroin user,
Speaker 2: and you might pay less if you're you know, exercise
Speaker 2: and eat well in that sort of stuff, or if
Speaker 2: you're a safe driver, they'll incentivize that. But once they
Speaker 2: collectivize everything and give you the we all pay canard,
Speaker 2: you get England where literally they're telling people, you know what,
Speaker 2: you're obese, So We're going to put you on the
Speaker 2: waiting list for elective surgery. You smoke. We're gonna put
Speaker 2: you on the waiting list for elective surgery, even though
Speaker 2: you have the money to pay, even though you are
Speaker 2: an intense pain, even though we don't know the circumstances
Speaker 2: of your life. It's all collectivists now. It's the National
Speaker 2: Health System, and God forbid anybody ever speak against the NHS.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And it takes away agency. You know, it's
Speaker 5: insufferable to know that even if you yourself are responsible.
Speaker 5: For example, I don't cause accidents. I've had no claims
Speaker 5: filed against me in thirty years. I'm a good driver.
Speaker 5: So why am I responsible for an accident that some
Speaker 5: other person who I don't even know has that causes
Speaker 5: the insurance company to jack up my premiums that I
Speaker 5: can't say no to.
Speaker 2: Oh great?
Speaker 4: Yah know?
Speaker 5: And this is this is, this is across the spectrum.
Speaker 5: I believe it's very important that each of us be
Speaker 5: able to re both the rewards and the responsibilities for
Speaker 5: our own actions. So if I choose to drive my
Speaker 5: car without a seat belt, Let's say, and I get
Speaker 5: into an accident and I'm badly injured because I didn't
Speaker 5: wear my seatbelt. That's my problem, that is.
Speaker 2: Not your problem. Yeah, oh yeah. And of course one
Speaker 2: of the major things is before they collectivize a particular
Speaker 2: insurance system. They did this with health insurance, they'll say, well,
Speaker 2: look at these health insurance companies. They're cherry picking. They're
Speaker 2: charging some people more who are higher risks, Like duh,
Speaker 2: that's because they're higher risk. But then they wanted put
Speaker 2: into the government sphere. And I literally have Tom brokaw on.
Speaker 2: I had an audio recording of him when he was
Speaker 2: on Meet the Press with Doris Kerns. I've plagiarized, but
Speaker 2: I'm blaming other people. Goodwin when they were on there
Speaker 2: and they said, he said, well, you know, government's going
Speaker 2: to have to pick and choose. We're going to have
Speaker 2: to make decisions. So they excoriate the private business and
Speaker 2: you don't have to do business with them for incentivizing
Speaker 2: better behavior and charging more for reckless behavior. But then
Speaker 2: when it becomes the government system, well you know, we're
Speaker 2: going to have to make decisions. Here they engage in
Speaker 2: the exact activity that they slam the private people for doing,
Speaker 2: but now it's imposed on everybody and we're all paying
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 5: It's imposed and it's indirect, you know, with regard to
Speaker 5: private transactions. For example, before Obamacare came along, a healthy guy,
Speaker 5: if he wanted to, could buy a very high deductible
Speaker 5: catastrophic care policy because he didn't need any regular medical care.
Speaker 5: And you know, maybe it would be nice to know that, Okay,
Speaker 5: in case, let's say I get into a really bad
Speaker 5: car accident or I have a heart attack, some random
Speaker 5: unforeseen event. I'll be covered for that, but everything else,
Speaker 5: I'm just going to pay out a pocket And that
Speaker 5: was very affordable after Obamacare, like I have to if
Speaker 5: I were to get my I'm a self employed person.
Speaker 5: If I were to get a policy through this government
Speaker 5: riggan role system, I have to pay for idiot things
Speaker 5: that I have no need for, like substance abuse, comp
Speaker 5: counseling and treatment. I don't have to use substances. I
Speaker 5: don't need, uh, maternity care. I'm a man, and I
Speaker 5: don't have any kids. I don't need maternity care, you know, so,
Speaker 5: and that's why the cost is so exorbitant, and that's
Speaker 5: why I just continue to not have it, and you know,
Speaker 5: just just take care of myself and if I have
Speaker 5: to pay for anything, I pay for it out of pocket.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. We have a number of of uh comments. I
Speaker 2: just want to uh the team here. Uh we've got
Speaker 2: over on X We've got restaurant Portugal. Uh says we're
Speaker 2: under occupation, a de facto government, a fake one, so
Speaker 2: people need permission to do everything because we're under military rule.
Speaker 2: And uh then they have the little correction there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also we've got this here, uh cold cold one
Speaker 2: digital bingo. They don't care and uh profit the politicians
Speaker 2: will work with anybody they can to make profit. Also
Speaker 2: in Rockvin, I want to thank everybody for being there,
Speaker 2: and Octo Spook says I would have Abraham Lincoln as
Speaker 2: governor of Minnesota.
Speaker 5: Actually probably be an improvement over Tim Walls.
Speaker 2: And I want to thank Also, we had a monthly
Speaker 2: subscriber a new add on from Michelle Obaman over in
Speaker 2: Michigan on Rumble in the fruit striped gum colors of Rumble.
Speaker 2: Just great. I really appreciate you joining up and helping
Speaker 2: out the David Knight Show. That way, Eric, you've got
Speaker 2: a really good piece over on your site. And well
Speaker 2: let's round things off with this. This is the latest
Speaker 2: one I mean literally just came out. I think maybe
Speaker 2: just before a while I was on the Worst Yeah,
Speaker 2: the worst tax. Tell us about this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know, in our circles, conservative libertarian circles,
Speaker 5: people often excoriate the income tax. And I'm no fan
Speaker 5: of the income tax at all, but I think the
Speaker 5: property tax is worse. And what do I mean by that, Well,
Speaker 5: the property tax precludes the possibility of ownership of practically
Speaker 5: anything other than perhaps to close on your back. You know,
Speaker 5: we are allowed the fiction that we own our homes,
Speaker 5: but we don't. Even if you've paid off the lender,
Speaker 5: you've paid off the mortgage company, you're still obliged to
Speaker 5: pay what amounts to rent in perpetuity to your local government.
Speaker 5: That's what the property taxes. And it has the effect
Speaker 5: of rendering you economically insecure because you constantly have to
Speaker 5: generate income in order to pay the taxes for the
Speaker 5: most part, unless you're lucky enough to be so affluent
Speaker 5: that you have enough savings to cover those taxes for
Speaker 5: the rest of your natural life, which most people simply don't.
Speaker 5: So it's really vicious, you know, it prevents, it precludes
Speaker 5: the thing that probably in my opinion, would define a
Speaker 5: free person in a free society more than anything, which
Speaker 5: is to have a freehold, to have your piece of land,
Speaker 5: your home that's yours once you paid for it. You know.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, once you've done that, that even if you
Speaker 5: lost your job, even if there were an economic downturn,
Speaker 5: well you've got your house, you know. And that's a
Speaker 5: very nice feeling to know. I've got a place to live,
Speaker 5: My family has got a roof over its head. We
Speaker 5: can get by. But what they're doing with this is
Speaker 5: just constantly bleeding people. And I think one of the
Speaker 5: most egregious aspects of it. You know, people who bought
Speaker 5: a house, say thirty years ago, and they let's say
Speaker 5: they bought a house for one hundred and twenty thousand
Speaker 5: dollars thirty years ago, and they figure, well, we can
Speaker 5: afford one hundred twenty thousand dollars house. Well fast forward
Speaker 5: twenty or thirty years and now the county says your
Speaker 5: house is worth half a million dollars, and you know
Speaker 5: they're going to tax them on that, and they haven't
Speaker 5: got the budget for it. And now they're older, so
Speaker 5: they're literally driving people out of their homes, out of
Speaker 5: homes that they have paid for. It's beyond despicable that
Speaker 5: this thing exists. There is some good news, though, and
Speaker 5: that's what the article's about. In North Dakota, there's a
Speaker 5: ballot initiative that will give the voters the opportunity to
Speaker 5: get rid of the property tax. Now, whether it passes
Speaker 5: or not, we're going to find out. But I think
Speaker 5: it's wonderful that that's on the ballot in a state.
Speaker 5: It sets a great precedent and it gets people talking
Speaker 5: and thinking, and you know, I hope that that spreads
Speaker 5: and we'll see.
Speaker 2: That would be great North Dakota. And you know, philosophically,
Speaker 2: it really is just a modern form of serfdom. Your
Speaker 2: property is not your own, and they use all these excuses.
Speaker 2: And you have part of this in your piece about
Speaker 2: the government run schools. They somehow take it as an offense.
Speaker 2: If you say, you know, I'd like to be left alone,
Speaker 2: why don't you leave me alone and stop coming up
Speaker 2: with all these so called justifications and spurious rationales that
Speaker 2: tell me I have to pay You say, you must
Speaker 2: pay rent so that the government can school other people's kids,
Speaker 2: on the hypothesis that you obtained some vague benefit. Thereby
Speaker 2: never mind that these government schools regularly fail to school
Speaker 2: these other people's kids who graduate from government schools both
Speaker 2: enumerate and illiterate as well as ignorant. They are cognitive
Speaker 2: capabilities crippled by rote memorization and obedience training. Yes, I'll
Speaker 2: hail the government school right.
Speaker 5: It's true. It would be less egregious if they actually
Speaker 5: turned out literate, numerate, cognitively competent people. But they don't,
Speaker 5: and everybody knows this.
Speaker 2: And the principle of it is still the same. They're
Speaker 2: still forcing you to do it, and of course that
Speaker 2: predicate of the force is what opens the door to
Speaker 2: the lack of practical capacity for it to do a
Speaker 2: good job, because they always have the ability to take
Speaker 2: your cash and to take your property if you won't pay.
Speaker 5: And everything's inverted to you know, if a parent is
Speaker 5: concerned about the education of their child, well you empower
Speaker 5: that parent by having that parent be responsible for their
Speaker 5: child and finding and paying for tutors and teachers and
Speaker 5: so on, which they then have some control over because
Speaker 5: they're paying for it. It turns out that the person
Speaker 5: who they hired to teach their kid math is incompetent,
Speaker 5: they can fire that person. Good luck firing the math
Speaker 5: teacher at the government school who's incompetent and can't teach
Speaker 5: your kid to add and subtract.
Speaker 2: And they don't even You know, it's interesting as well, Eric,
Speaker 2: because competency, quality, those are all assessments we need to
Speaker 2: make and then express our opinions and satisfaction through our
Speaker 2: own choice over our own money. The minute somebody decides
Speaker 2: for you how your money is being spent, they've taken
Speaker 2: away your volition to show what you think is quality.
Speaker 5: There's Eric, I know I want to get into before
Speaker 5: I have a Biden moment and forget it. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: it is this. I think it's a philosophical thing, and
Speaker 5: I think it's really worth considering. All of this stuff
Speaker 5: has a very insidious effect in that it makes us
Speaker 5: kind of enemies of each other or suspicious of each other.
Speaker 5: If you take away the government interpositions, and we're free
Speaker 5: to make our own choices and free to not do
Speaker 5: business with people that we don't want to do business with.
Speaker 5: All of a sudden, we don't dislike our neighbors in
Speaker 5: the same way that we do now. You know, when
Speaker 5: I drive down the route and I see a Harris
Speaker 5: Wallts thing in front of one of my neighbor's houses.
Speaker 5: I get annoyed because I think, you know, they're saying
Speaker 5: that they want to take more of my money and
Speaker 5: they want to great control over my life. Yeah, if
Speaker 5: we didn't have that element in it, I might not
Speaker 5: like them. I might not invite them over for you know,
Speaker 5: for a meal or to have a beer with me.
Speaker 4: But live and let live.
Speaker 5: They do their thing, I do mine, and you know,
Speaker 5: we're not at friction at odds with each other. But
Speaker 5: the reason our society has become so frictious, and the
Speaker 5: reason everybody's so angry and upset, is because everybody is
Speaker 5: using the state in one way or another to you know,
Speaker 5: to fleece people. And if you're not doing that, you're
Speaker 5: trying to protect yourself from being fleeced.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know. I've mentioned it a couple of times
Speaker 2: this week on Liberty Conspiracy. As Frederick Bosti has said,
Speaker 2: the state is that great fiction by which everyone tries
Speaker 2: to live off of everyone else, and it just causes
Speaker 2: dissension and argumentation and anger. And yeah, I see those
Speaker 2: signs from various people, and I say, oh, you're putting
Speaker 2: a sign in your yard that says you're a predator.
Speaker 2: You want to you want to mess with that?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh this is yeah, yeah. I I can't wait
Speaker 2: to get you back on liberty conspiracy. That'll be great.
Speaker 2: And thank you for joining me on this Friday edition
Speaker 2: of The David Night Show. And I really appreciated Eric.
Speaker 2: You are, of course, one of the great scholars out there,
Speaker 2: and practically every day you're on the road checking these
Speaker 2: things out and fighting for freedom. So thanks, brother, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you, appreciate having Oh absolutely, we're gonna give you
Speaker 2: our our going away. As we get ready to round
Speaker 2: off the program with of course the Star Trek mind
Speaker 2: melt to say farewell. Thanks Eric. We'll talk to you Segar.
Speaker 2: All right, I must try to mind meld.
Speaker 6: Entity ends. Minds are merging, doctor, Our minds are one.
Speaker 6: I feel what you feel.
Speaker 2: I know what you know.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: Yes, good stuff from of course the mighty folks from
Speaker 2: Star Trek. I enjoyed my time at Star Trek Voyager
Speaker 2: and I enjoyed my time here on The David Night
Speaker 2: Show filling it for David. There's so many stories I
Speaker 2: didn't get to discuss today, whether it be about the
Speaker 2: United States funneling weapons over to Israel, the United States
Speaker 2: of course sending Anthony Blincoln there to just basically put
Speaker 2: up a good facade about things. We'll talk about many
Speaker 2: of those things tonight on Liberty Conspiracy at six o'clock,
Speaker 2: and I should mention you can find Liberty Conspiracy on
Speaker 2: rumble head over there. If you get the opportunity, please
Speaker 2: join us. That would be great. And of course check
Speaker 2: out the Davidnightshow dot com for the David Knight Show.
Speaker 2: Find out all the links for that. David Knight's ex
Speaker 2: is at Liberty Terarian. You can find me at Guard Goldsmith.
Speaker 2: And I should also mention you can find our audios
Speaker 2: at my substack at the Gardner Goldsmith Substack. So Rockvin
Speaker 2: Rumble six o'clock Monday through Friday. Check it out at
Speaker 2: Guard Goldsmith and all that stuff. And thank you everyone
Speaker 2: for being there. I really appreciate it. We're getting great
Speaker 2: comments from so many people, and God bless David and
Speaker 2: the family, all of you. Jason Barker inside Rock Finn,
Speaker 2: We've got Octo Spook inside Rock Finn. So many good
Speaker 2: people there that I really what can you say it's
Speaker 2: just been fantastic. Also inside rumble m sellers do not
Speaker 2: obey with elite speak. That's beautiful. And all the other
Speaker 2: folks who've joined us. Texas Coast South, thank you everyone.
Speaker 2: Closing up, we're gone a few minutes past the hour,
Speaker 2: so time for me to say farewell. Join David on Monday,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking forward to seeing David. I'll be there
Speaker 2: in the chat, looking forward to that. See it tonight
Speaker 2: on Liberty Conspiracy. Spread the word about that. I hope
Speaker 2: you'll do so. And again, if you get the opportunity,
Speaker 2: check out David Knight's excellent website and of course go
Speaker 2: to the store. I leave you with this and again
Speaker 2: my thanks to David and everyone. God bless everyone. Thank
Speaker 2: you to our guests today. We'll talk to you again
Speaker 2: soon and I'll see on Liberty Conspiracy if you stop
Speaker 2: by tonight. Take care. God bless.
Speaker 13: The common man. They created common Core, They've gummed down
Speaker 13: our children. They created common past track and control us.
Speaker 13: They're Commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing
Speaker 13: and the communist future they see. The common man is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary,
Speaker 13: but each of us has worth and dignity. Created in
Speaker 13: the image of God, that what we have in common,
Speaker 13: that is what they want to take away. Their most
Speaker 13: powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know
Speaker 13: everything about us, while they hide everything from us. It's
Speaker 13: time to turn that around and expose what they want
Speaker 13: to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find
Speaker 13: at thedavidnightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, Thank you
Speaker 13: for sharing. If you can't support us financially, please keep
Speaker 13: us in your prayers. Ddavidknightshow dot com