WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:27.480 Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the 2 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:33.159 David Knight Show. 3 00:00:37.000 --> 00:00:42.000 As the clock strikes thirteen here on Airstrip one, It's 4 00:00:42.079 --> 00:00:45.240 the David Knight Show. I'm Gardner Goldsmith, filling in for 5 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:50.000 David on this October twenty fifth. You're of our Lord 6 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.840 twenty twenty four. You're gonna have a great morning this 7 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:57.200 morning as we get to touch on many of the 8 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:00.240 breaking news stories and drive some long standing lesson his 9 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:04.480 liberty and peace out of them, and we get your 10 00:01:04.519 --> 00:01:08.920 opinions and invite two guests today. Eric Peters will be 11 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:13.599 joining us in the eleven o'clock hour, and Tom MONTALIONI 12 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.439 very well known author in science fiction and horror circles, 13 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.680 be joining us to tell us about how he exposed 14 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:27.400 the wokeism of the bram Stoker Awards. It's all here 15 00:01:27.400 --> 00:02:07.959 in the David Knights and what a wonderful morning it 16 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:12.800 is here in southern Russian Hampshire where we spread the 17 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:16.319 Russian propaganda. Good to have you along for the ride everyone, 18 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.800 As I get to move over from MRCTV to fill 19 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.360 in for David Knight today on the David Knight Show. 20 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:25.280 I'm Gardner Goldsmith and if you want to find my work, 21 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.000 go to mrctv dot org or check us out over 22 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.080 at Liberty Conspiracy, my evening program in the Eastern time 23 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.879 zone at six pm where we gather and plot and 24 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.520 plan and crouch and conspire for greater days of freedom 25 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.000 by breaking apart many of the news stories and trying 26 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.199 to derive long standing intellectual ammunition from those things. We 27 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.080 cogitate and ruminate and hopefully we have a great, great time, 28 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:53.560 and thank you very much. 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What I try to do on Liberty 46 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.520 Conspiracy is make sure that the news stories that I'm 47 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:52.479 discussing are also available in my x feed, and on 48 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:56.479 Sundays I put together a compilation of about twenty stories 49 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.520 or so, plus a couple video links at my substack. 50 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:02.000 You can just go to the Gardner Goldsmith substecon It's 51 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.680 g R d N e R like the Gardner mass 52 00:04:04.960 --> 00:04:08.280 of Gardner, Massachusetts. In fact, our family was one of 53 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.400 the five that founded Salem, Massachusetts and the Gardner Museum. 54 00:04:12.439 --> 00:04:15.400 Isabella Stuart Gardner married into the Gardner family, so they're 55 00:04:15.439 --> 00:04:18.160 all right. They came over on the Mayflowers, so they're 56 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:21.879 all part of that group from Massachusetts that has hung 57 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:24.360 out there for many, many years. I want to thank 58 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:27.639 Amy Moore already for joining us on a beautiful, beautiful morning. 59 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:31.399 She is inside X and commenting and she says this, 60 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:33.879 I could actually show it. I mean, our team here 61 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:36.120 could actually show it on the screen top of the 62 00:04:36.160 --> 00:04:39.279 morning to your guard always love it when you host. 63 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.160 Thank you so much, Thank you so much. And our 64 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:45.439 fellow liberty conspirator who goes by I can't believe is 65 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.439 greeting us this morning, Big G. Always a pleasure, Bud. 66 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:50.560 What a way to start filling in for David Knight. 67 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.720 And again I hope you'll support the program. You can 68 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:57.399 contribute on Rumble on Rockfinn and he has a lot 69 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:00.000 of really cool stuff on subscribe Star. They're thinking about 70 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.120 doing some changes there. Just go to Ddavidnightshow dot com 71 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:04.680 for all of the links. So let's see what's on 72 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:09.000 tap for today, ten twenty five, twenty four, my friends 73 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.639 on the David Knight Show. I come over from MRCTV 74 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.040 and I get to offer, hopefully what is good gris 75 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:20.959 for the mental mill. We're looking at salvaging reputations. The 76 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.920 UK Center for Countering Digital Hate has been cited again 77 00:05:26.759 --> 00:05:31.879 for internal documents showing political plans. In the United States, 78 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.000 we heard a few days ago about Twitter slash X 79 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.240 internal documents being exposed about their plans to try to 80 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.639 bring down X. Then just last night I saw the 81 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:45.959 breaking news and had to make sure that I included 82 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.240 it in the conversation today on David's show, because we're 83 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:54.600 hearing about new exposure of new documents about none other 84 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.519 than RFK Junior looking at him as a potential threat 85 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.439 for the election. But I thought it was bad to 86 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.839 have all that Russian interference, and clearly this has gotta 87 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:09.680 be Russian in it. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry, I guess 88 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:11.879 I don't win at the game. I'll get that Rice AEROI, 89 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:15.839 the San Francisco treat and the parting prizes for being wrong. No, 90 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:21.160 it's UK interference because the organizer and founder of the 91 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:25.879 Center Countering Digital Hate is very closely allied with the 92 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:31.240 Labor Party leader, Keir Starmer. Oh wonderful. Just warms the 93 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:35.360 cockles of the heart, doesn't it. Absolutely. Our second story 94 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.600 is going to be about the Atlantic Magazine otherwise known 95 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.560 as the Atlantic Council Magazine, because it's sort of their 96 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.959 their bow of the ship that the magazine of course 97 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.639 goes after Donald Trump on a story that comes from 98 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:55.319 someone that doesn't seem to have been supported by anybody, 99 00:06:55.959 --> 00:07:00.399 mister Kelly. And we have pop media figures like John 100 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:05.360 Brennan talking about how evil Donald Trump is with this 101 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.319 non supported statement about Hitler and saying that, of course 102 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.240 he's a fascist. Well, I guess it takes one to 103 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.439 know one, doesn't it, Mister Brennan, mister drone killer with Obama. 104 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:21.399 Mister hey, we've got the Russian collusion story. That hunter 105 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:25.959 Biden laptop was clearly has all the ear marks as 106 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:30.480 they say, of Russian collusion. Okay, mister Brennan, sure thing. 107 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.480 I'm really glad that the old dinosaur media trots you 108 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.079 out there every once in a while, pulls you out 109 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.040 of the mothballs. We'll talk about that, and then we'll 110 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.759 talk about some larger questions as to is it actually 111 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.839 appropriate to say that almost everything the US government does 112 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:50.519 is fascist in some way? My answer, quick answer, yes 113 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.560 it is. Well, also, look at Harris's town hall, the 114 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.800 Herodin version of the town hall. We'll look at Blincoln 115 00:07:57.879 --> 00:08:03.360 nodding to Israel to attack Iran and BLM money woes. 116 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.040 Got to talk about this on Liberty Conspiracy last night. 117 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:09.040 Black Lives Matter. I know it's shocking with all those 118 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.079 free bricks they laid out there for anti fund Black 119 00:08:12.120 --> 00:08:15.279 Lives Matter a few years ago in places like Portland, 120 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.240 how could they have gone? I know, gone into some 121 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.879 sort of financial troubles. And I know, you know Patricia Colores, 122 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:26.959 but she had those houses. I mean that must mean 123 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:30.279 they're swimming and oh she's swimming in dull Again, I 124 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:32.279 don't win at the game show. I'll get the rice 125 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.519 Aarni our sixth story if we can get to it. 126 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:39.120 US and UK tried to pay off petroleum workers in 127 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.320 the UK and the United States separately. The governments that 128 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.519 have been attacking coal and natural gas in the United 129 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.200 States are trying to pay off the people they've displaced 130 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.639 from work with Yes, you got it, my friends, governments 131 00:08:54.639 --> 00:09:01.799 subsidized green jobs. It was a beautiful day. It's still 132 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:04.600 a beautiful day. We're gonna turn their political frowns upside down. 133 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:06.799 And then our guests that in the ten o'clock hour 134 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:09.159 got to have a great conversation. And I teased this 135 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:12.519 last night on Liberty Conspiracy with one of my mentors, 136 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:18.799 the man behind Borderlands Publishing, a multiple bram Stoker Award winner, 137 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:23.120 but they tried to revoke his bram Stoker Awards when 138 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:27.759 he got internal documents that actually showed that they are 139 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:35.320 using prejudice skin color, gender identity, gender identity, and the 140 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:40.960 x y xx chromosomal differential to decide who gets into 141 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.679 slots to be considered for the annual Bram Stoker Award. 142 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:47.759 He's got it. He sent me the PDF. I'll show 143 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:50.159 it during our pre recorded conversation that we got to 144 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:52.720 have last night, and in the eleven o'clock hour that'll 145 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.679 be a ten. And in the eleven o'clock hour, Eric 146 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.399 Peters will be joining us on the program on the 147 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.919 David Knight Show. We welcome one and all. I am 148 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.360 so glad that we get to get together on David's 149 00:10:05.399 --> 00:10:08.840 program and hopefully I'm doing an okay job. Let's check 150 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.799 in on the chats and say hello to everybody in 151 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.559 my first home, which was Rockvin where they accepted me 152 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:19.399 to do my streaming show. Of course, I was doing 153 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:22.960 MRCTV work over there before, and I have to say, 154 00:10:23.000 --> 00:10:26.320 you know, the MRCTV folks and I have different opinions 155 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:29.399 on things like the US government weapons support going to 156 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.879 Israel and things like that. We originally had different opinions 157 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:38.120 on the centralized command and control federal government's control of 158 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:40.480 the borders, which is not in the constitution. We'll talk 159 00:10:40.519 --> 00:10:43.399 about that. The word immigration isn't in the constitution. It 160 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.759 was a state issue until a Supreme Court decision in 161 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.320 eighteen seventy five just basically created it out of thin 162 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.399 air to say, oh, the Feds can do this. And 163 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:54.360 in fact, as I've mentioned before on David Show, you 164 00:10:54.360 --> 00:10:56.720 can look in the Texas Constitution that was adopted in 165 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:59.519 eighteen sixty nine and they actually had a Bureau of 166 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:03.120 Immigration in there. The Supreme Court case that ruined everything, 167 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.000 much like the Roe v. Wade case for abortion on 168 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:09.799 that issue, was called Chi Lung chy l U n 169 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.000 g Chi Lung v. Freeman, so you can check that out. 170 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:17.120 I want to say hi inside Rock Finn, our first 171 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:21.080 home after MRCTV. But the MRCTV people were very, very 172 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:24.679 nice because originally we had different opinions on the immigration issue. 173 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.960 But now editor Britney Hughes actually approaches me to talk 174 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.320 about those issues, so that's cool. Maybe I can convince 175 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:32.639 him on a few other things too. Inside Rock Finn, 176 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:37.639 I want to say hi to Dustin Helm, little Ford Schoolhouse, Hello, 177 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:42.519 and Octo Spook, Hello, dougalug Hello. Going through a few 178 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:45.799 I'm probably missing a number of folks. And also I 179 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.559 want to say hi to the good folks inside the 180 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:53.639 chat on Rumble for David's program, So feel free to recirculate, 181 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:58.519 repopulate a lot of good people. I see Sicata is 182 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.279 Sicata seventy is in there. Gustave seven sounds like a 183 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:07.039 sounds like a rocket. They flew the Gustave seven and 184 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:09.440 Apossum King and a number of other folks there. I 185 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:12.679 always call that the fruit striped gum colors because it 186 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.879 looks like fruit stripe gum. So let's get started, everybody 187 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:18.440 on my program. Oftentimes, what I try to do is 188 00:12:18.480 --> 00:12:22.600 we cover many of these breaking stories as we look 189 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.279 at the UK Center for Countering Digital Hate and so on. 190 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.080 I often do this. I play a little segment from 191 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.200 a film that I did, an independent film that was 192 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.559 called Skippy Benderman, where I played a master of disguise 193 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:40.960 Frank Harker, along with my big muscle bound friend Spike. 194 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.000 Yeah yeah, he went by Spike, who played Alan Granny 195 00:12:45.080 --> 00:12:49.039 Liquor Spindle, and we were escapees and masters of disguise. 196 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:53.679 And so we approach a home. It's actually on Gardner 197 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:57.000 Street in Massachusetts. This is how I start things off 198 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.000 with the news flash. 199 00:13:00.960 --> 00:13:06.080 Yes, oh hello, hello, We're Mary's parents. 200 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:06.840 Oh we. 201 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.320 Hold the second Mary's parents ben to death last year. 202 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.440 Wait a minute, I know you guys. You're from the 203 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:36.240 New Splash. 204 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.000 All right, Yes, I was the guy at all the 205 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.480 white face paind. So let's take a quick look at 206 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:38.600 some of these major breaking stories. First off, let's discuss 207 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:46.480 the breaking story about the CCD H. You know, I 208 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.159 gotta say, I don't know how they're going to be 209 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:53.919 salvaging their reputation, but they clearly are showing themselves to 210 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:58.279 be I think, not exactly the most trustworthy people when 211 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.320 it comes to things like guarding over so called digital hate, 212 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.200 because when it comes to digital hate, I don't think 213 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:10.440 they'll be able to answer any sort of salvage in 214 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:15.559 any way to bring back their reputations, even if Sanford 215 00:14:15.600 --> 00:15:10.200 and Son were involved. I didn't know until a couple 216 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:13.279 of weeks ago that Quincy Jones wrote that song, and 217 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.240 what a great I love that theme song. And this 218 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.320 one is coming to us from the Daily Skeptic. This 219 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.759 is the earlier story. Now we've got the other shoe 220 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.360 that has dropped. I think this might be an octopus 221 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:28.720 with a lot more shoes dropping. On the twenty third 222 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:33.679 of October, we heard about how the group called the 223 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.799 Center for Countering Digital Hate was exposed for having internal 224 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:45.759 documents that said on their item agenda kill Musk's Twitter. 225 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.960 So just some background again leaked documents. This is from 226 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:53.440 a few days ago. Leaked documents for the Center from 227 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:56.799 the Center for Countering Digital Hate over in the UK, 228 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:02.399 the censorship outfit founded by Keir Starmer's new chief of staff, 229 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:08.559 Morgan McSweeney, show the group plans to kill Musk's Twitter 230 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:13.440 while strengthening ties with Democrats like Senator Amy Klobashar, who 231 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:18.039 has not commented. So inside the documents you can see 232 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.600 as you enlarge it, you can actually see that part 233 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:28.200 of their agenda is right there, kill Musk's Twitter. Okay, 234 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:32.080 maybe you might want to go back to the drawing 235 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:35.720 board because I think maybe the idea of digital hate 236 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:39.759 is sort of lost on you. So that was the 237 00:16:39.840 --> 00:16:43.639 first shoe to drop. Now, let's talk about the other 238 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:48.080 story that came out last night, because again yep, they're 239 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:54.039 being exposed. Here it is this comes from greenmed Info exposed. 240 00:16:54.559 --> 00:17:02.039 CCdh CEO Imrn Ahmed orders black ops against RFK junior 241 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:08.000 in shocking memo leak. Here it is, Yeah, Imran Ahmed, 242 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:13.599 CEO of CCdh RFK black ops being set up to 243 00:17:13.720 --> 00:17:18.599 look at RFK nervousness about the impact of him on 244 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:23.960 the election. Now, I'm a voluntarist. I don't believe. In fact, 245 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:27.880 I know that there is no such thing as a 246 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:33.240 legitimate political control over someone else. That doesn't work that way. 247 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.039 The police is involuntary, it's funded involuntarily, it forces people 248 00:17:38.079 --> 00:17:42.400 to pay for it. So I'm not involved with putting 249 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:46.039 someone into that office. I don't pick sides on either 250 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:49.920 one of these instances with Kamala Harris or Donald Trump 251 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:52.960 leading the pack for the Dems and the GOP, but 252 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:55.960 I do think that there is something to be said 253 00:17:56.240 --> 00:18:00.759 as we come along to the election that maybe, just 254 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:05.640 maybe some folks who are interested in the races are 255 00:18:05.720 --> 00:18:09.640 probably paying attention to this. Imron Ahmed, CEO of the 256 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:13.599 UK based CCdh, has been exposed in a leaked memo 257 00:18:13.759 --> 00:18:19.440 admitting to orchestrating a black ops campaign against RFKA Junior. 258 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:25.799 Also probably not cool when you are the head of 259 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:30.960 the Center for Countering Digital Hate and you are claiming 260 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:35.440 that you are engaging in a black ops campaign against 261 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:40.599 the sun of a man who was assassinated and also 262 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:43.599 could not get the federal protection for himself when he 263 00:18:43.640 --> 00:18:46.240 was running for president. Not that I want to force 264 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:49.200 my neighbor to pay for any of that. That's the 265 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:52.799 point here. It is these revelations come from the same 266 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:57.000 leaked document that contained the now infamous Kill Musk's Twitter 267 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:02.119 directive many pages down. Involvement of a foreign organization and 268 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:08.640 potentially covert operations to undermine a US candidate raises legal questions, 269 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:15.079 you think, including violations of US election law, the First Amendment, 270 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.920 and the Foreign Interference statutes like FARA. Well, I'll just 271 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:23.480 mention that FARA actually runs counter to the First Amendment. 272 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.640 There's nothing in the First Amendment other than Congress shall 273 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.279 make no law abridging the freedom of speech, religion, freedom 274 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:34.519 of the press, or freedom of association to ask for 275 00:19:34.599 --> 00:19:39.319 redress of grievances. Okay, it doesn't apply just to Americans 276 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.640 that the federal government will come up with no such laws. 277 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:44.759 If you're a foreigner and you want to be critical 278 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.559 of the United States, even if I know, even if 279 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.400 you're people who work for RT and you want to 280 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:54.000 pay Tim Poole or Dave Rubins to do video work 281 00:19:54.039 --> 00:19:58.279 for you, you have no there will be no blocks put 282 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:01.599 on you by Congress according to that document that they 283 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:05.440 swear to uphold. So there you go. I know it's 284 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.599 a little little rough now. I know some people have 285 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.279 a lot of different opinions about Elon Musk, you know, 286 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:16.720 and they think he's playing the long game, that he's 287 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.160 part of the technocracy and so on. David's brought it 288 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.720 up many times. Is familial background and so on. They 289 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:24.759 think that this is a long game theater as we 290 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.519 just saw. Thank you team. So in comment over on X, 291 00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:31.480 I don't know, you know, the way I take it, 292 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:35.839 I don't come down with a judgment one way or 293 00:20:35.880 --> 00:20:38.400 the other. I look at what he's done, which is 294 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:44.359 he's accepted government loans that's unconstitutional. He has been in 295 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.559 conversations with Donald Trump about reducing the size of government, 296 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.559 and literally in the next minute and a half they 297 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.960 talk about how great it will be to have federal government, 298 00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.839 federal government funding rockets and special so called freedom cities. 299 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:04.680 How ironic is that. So he understands what causes price increases, 300 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:07.319 which is the inflation of the money supply, especially from 301 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:10.640 a central bank that is buying up the US treasuries 302 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.519 to keep supplying the money because the taxes aren't sufficient 303 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:16.079 to do so, so he understands those things. He puts 304 00:21:16.160 --> 00:21:18.759 up a good game talking about those things Elon Musk, 305 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.480 and he has opened Twitter a lot more. I know 306 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.720 that for sure, not completely, as we'll hear from Eric 307 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.480 Peters later, which is one of the great reasons why 308 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.640 I wanted to get him in today on David's show, 309 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.240 because Eric has been doing a lot of work on this, 310 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:36.079 so the jury's out. But I take each instance as 311 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:39.039 it goes along. I don't want to be compartmentalized about 312 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.640 these people. I sort of want to draw in and 313 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:44.839 eventually sort of evaluate. But over time, as I see 314 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.839 that they're consistently doing good things, I say, Okay, on balance, 315 00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:51.200 this person is doing good things. I don't completely trust him. 316 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:54.279 It's like Tucker Carlson, right again, why didn't he leave 317 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:57.680 Fox News earlier? Why didn't he speak up? I understand 318 00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:59.680 he tried to be a little deft when he brought 319 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.559 up the my Pillow analogy and then he left. But 320 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:06.119 you know, again, I've worked I've worked at radio stations 321 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:08.519 where they literally told me don't be critical of the 322 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:10.640 governor of the state. And I said, well, you know, 323 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:12.680 I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. So you do 324 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:14.400 what you could do. And of course they fired me, 325 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:19.359 so you know, but that doesn't mean that I won't 326 00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:21.160 take some of the things that some of these other 327 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.079 people are saying and say, Okay, that's valuable. I think 328 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:25.839 that's worthwhile. I want to get it out to people. 329 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.839 So yeah, absolutely, and yeah, here we go. This is 330 00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:34.240 another one from Free Thinking fl Mom. Yeah, Elon believes 331 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.160 in a digital cage, not free speech. And we're gonna 332 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:39.640 hear more from that. I want to get Eric Peters's 333 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.559 opinions on that. So I thought that that was interesting 334 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:49.839 coming from the Center for Countering Digital Hate. Right right now, 335 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:52.319 when we talk about hate, what is one of the 336 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.880 big things that they've used on Donald Trump over and 337 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:58.319 over again, and is it actually applicable at least in 338 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:03.839 a political philosophical sense. Well, there's a Boston band you 339 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:08.279 might know about. They're pretty darn okay. They were called 340 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.799 The Unnatural Acts, and many years ago they did a 341 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:19.880 song called they Saved Hitler's Brain. So let's talk about 342 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:24.279 Donald Trump and whether or not he is a big 343 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:25.400 fan of Hitler. 344 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:35.240 They saved they say brain, they say brain, They saved 345 00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:36.160 Liz Brain. 346 00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:43.839 I got to see them about forty years later and 347 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:46.359 they ripped it out. It was great. It was so 348 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.240 much fun to see the unnatural acts. Because I was 349 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.240 too young to actually get into any of the rock 350 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.119 clubs to see him when I was a kid, but 351 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:55.039 I used to hear him on Boston radio. We were 352 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.000 just on the fringes, you know. That was when you 353 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.480 actually had to get things through the radio waves, and 354 00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:02.440 they were just down the fringes of our reception, so 355 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.720 you'd be like standing there, you know, trying to do 356 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.519 the antenna in the right direction, just like television. But 357 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.440 I got to hear the unnatural accent. I will write 358 00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:11.119 it down and write down all the good bands on 359 00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:17.160 the back of my notebook. So okay. The Trump Kamala cartoon, 360 00:24:17.960 --> 00:24:25.720 as we know the Atlantic, has inspired many conservatives to 361 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.880 come out and defend Donald Trump without I think, looking 362 00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:34.000 critically at some of Donald Trump's fascist ideas, like oh, 363 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:38.720 I don't know, getting the government to put out jabs 364 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:44.880 with corporations backing him, starting up so called emergency powers 365 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.799 in March of twenty twenty two that he doesn't have 366 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.799 sitting inside a third of Syria. Even though he didn't 367 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.640 start new wars, he didn't end them occupying Afghanistan. I 368 00:24:57.680 --> 00:24:59.839 had the best plan to get ad Afghanistan, but you 369 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.480 he didn't do it, Donald, you didn't do it. And 370 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:08.359 of all things, recently talking about how people at Fox 371 00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:11.480 News they shouldn't be allowed to put on that conversation 372 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:16.319 with Kamala Harris, when previously people like Rachel Maddow had 373 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:20.039 accused Donald Trump of being like Hitler and wanting to 374 00:25:20.079 --> 00:25:25.000 shut down journalism, which was an empty accusation simply applied 375 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.480 to Donald Trump because he called the pop media the 376 00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.759 enemy of the American people, which I think is one 377 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:34.279 of the many enemies of the American people, right. But 378 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:37.079 in addition to that, I believe the polis is the 379 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.359 enemy of anybody. It's just one group trying to take 380 00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.519 advantage of another group. But now people like Rachel Maddow 381 00:25:43.599 --> 00:25:46.519 actually can say that he wants to shut down free 382 00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.640 speech and journalism because he's given them the ammunition. Talk 383 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:56.480 about lacking intellectual ammunition. So first, let's discuss a couple 384 00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:01.200 things you're probably familiar with. Viva Fry. Viva Fry I 385 00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:06.720 thought did a pretty darn good job yesterday covering the 386 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:13.000 appearance of the Dronemeister and King talking about mister Kelly's 387 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:19.960 accusations in an Atlantic article that Donald Trump praised Hitler. Now, 388 00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.920 I don't want to necessarily draw out equivalencies, but who 389 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.640 is one of the big, big heroes for the left 390 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:31.559 of the twentieth century. It's FDR, who was a big, 391 00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:36.440 big fan of Joseph Stalin, who literally had an eye 392 00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:43.279 collection on his desk. That's Joseph Stalin, Yes, FDR, and 393 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.160 many on his staff. And if you get a chance, 394 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.400 check out Amity Schley's wonderful book called The Forgotten Man, 395 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.880 because in the first chapter she talks about how they're 396 00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:58.480 on a train praising Stalin. Okay, so methinks that the 397 00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:03.039 people who admire FDR maybe don't have a lot of 398 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:08.839 solid ground beneath them when they're critical of this statement, 399 00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:13.599 which is uncorroborated that Donald Trump claimed to have said, 400 00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:17.680 can't we get generals like Hitler had? Okay, let's turn 401 00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:22.759 to the Canadian lawyer and a great great fighter against 402 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.319 the lockdowns in Canada, Viva Fry, and hear what he 403 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.160 had to say, because he throws in one of the 404 00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.400 men who is one of the political banes of my existence, 405 00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:37.960 the drone killer in in residence for for pop Media 406 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:43.920 John Brennan, who is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths, 407 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:51.400 including Americans like Solomony on Um not Solomony was it? 408 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:51.720 Uh? 409 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:53.880 I can't remember his name. I happed to look it up. 410 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:54.359 Uh. 411 00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.839 An American, his son and his daughter that they drone 412 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:04.119 killed overseas, totally extra judicial murder. Here is the commentary 413 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:08.759 about the rumor about Donald Trump. It's just ridiculous, but 414 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:11.440 I think it's it's valuable because it opens up a 415 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.799 little window for a lesson about the way the American 416 00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.799 government actually operates nowadays. Let's let's see here. 417 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.559 It's it's remember the same play over and over again 418 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:25.599 by the same players who are the filth of the earth. 419 00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.039 This is not surprising at all. We have seen this 420 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.039 continuous prayer. 421 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:39.519 John Kelly deep state, extraordinary warhorror, intelligence, pain in the asset. 422 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:42.880 John Kelly says Trump said Hitler did some good things. 423 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:46.920 Let me let me steal it. Let me steal man 424 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:50.400 this for a second. Everybody has made the joke. Everybody 425 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.799 has made the joke. Well, at least you know, as 426 00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:54.799 they say, Mussolini made the trains run on time. I 427 00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:56.920 think it was Mussolini, but then they also transposed it 428 00:28:56.960 --> 00:29:00.960 for Hitler. Everybody has made that joke at some point 429 00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.240 in their lives. Therefore, anybody who made that joke, someone 430 00:29:04.279 --> 00:29:08.720 can say, oh my goodness, that person complimented Hitler. Everybody 431 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.359 has also made the joke. Will Hitler drank coffee, and 432 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.880 then someone can say he made it. He made a 433 00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:15.279 flattering comment about Hitler. 434 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:17.240 John Kelly, who. 435 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.480 I'm sure you can trust, says Trump said Hitler did 436 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:21.000 some good things. 437 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:22.640 And who's this dude on the right. Oh, I won't 438 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.319 spoil it for you. 439 00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.359 This is not surprising at all. 440 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.079 We have seen this continuous pattern over the course of 441 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:32.839 many years of Donald Trump endorsing individuals such as a Hitler, 442 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.160 disparage in the US military. 443 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.000 Endorsing Hitler. I've I've never heard him endorse Hitler. I've 444 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.200 never heard all right, so let's just pause it there 445 00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:43.759 so again, I think John Brennan is one of the 446 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:50.839 most obnoxious, unctuous pieces of political filth to have ever 447 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.880 ever gone into Washington, d C. He is evil incarnate. 448 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.880 He is a mass murderer, and if he wants to, 449 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.240 assuming we can go into it, not a problem. Totally 450 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:09.599 extra judicial drone strikes. The guy was an avowed communist, 451 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.880 got into the CIA, worked in the Middle East, then 452 00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:18.720 became part of the deep state that pushed the Russian collusion. 453 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:23.079 Canard also was the was the main guy behind the 454 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:27.720 fifty one. Intelligence agencies say that the Hunter Biden laptop 455 00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.440 has all the ear marks of Russian propaganda, when of 456 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.440 course the possession of it at the computer shop had 457 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:40.519 been validated, the internal information of it was validated, and 458 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:42.799 all that was going on was the FBI was asking 459 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.480 the New York Times, please don't talk about this why, 460 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.720 just like the Center for Countering Digital Hate. Behind the scenes, 461 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:50.599 they were saying, we want this guy to get in 462 00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:54.119 rather than this guy to get in. Okay, So now again, 463 00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:57.000 whether or not one supports Donald Trump or they think 464 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:00.160 Donald Trump is some great part of a giant and 465 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.519 a Gelian dialectic, I don't know. But that man, that 466 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.559 man on the screen, actually both men on the screen 467 00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.079 are people I would never ever trust in my life. 468 00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:14.200 And John Brennan should be in prison, that's for sure. 469 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:18.759 Good job, and I felt great satisfaction seeing Viva Fry 470 00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:23.000 just go off about John Brennan. But there's something else 471 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:25.160 about this that I want to give to you that 472 00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:29.319 you know, there's something sentimental that I think is valuable 473 00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:32.400 to bring up about this story from from this terrible 474 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.359 story from the Atlantic. And so I want to turn 475 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:41.200 to the Federalist on this, and I often don't quote 476 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:43.359 the Federalists. They're they're very much in favor of the 477 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.680 United States backing Israel with weapons and things like that. 478 00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:50.599 They're very pro Trump. But I want to mention this. 479 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.000 Oh and by the way, I should mention also John Brennan. 480 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.920 John Brennan was never called out by Donald Trump for 481 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.440 the things that easily Donald Trump could have called him 482 00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.480 out for. To leave a preposition dangling, like mass murder 483 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:08.400 with drones, why Donald Trump was engaging in drones strikes 484 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.559 as well, right at the same time that Donald Trump 485 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.759 was listening to Mike Pompeo, and Mike Pompeo was, according 486 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:20.720 to most reports that I've seen, plotting to assassinate Julian Assange. 487 00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:26.920 And he's still listening to advisors who are connected to 488 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.559 John Brennan. With this unsubstantiated claim that Iranians were trying 489 00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:34.359 to assassinate Donald Trump. That came from a woman who 490 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:37.279 had been who's very close with John Brennan. Why in 491 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.440 the world do you want to get within one hundred 492 00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.200 miles of these people, I don't know. And by the way, 493 00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.160 when it comes to Julian Assange, I know that some 494 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.200 Republicans don't seem to appreciate what Julian Assange did and 495 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.599 what he went through after he exposed incredible wrongdoing by 496 00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:58.400 the US military. And you know Chelsea Manning of course 497 00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:02.039 then known as Bradley Manning, he had an oath to 498 00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:06.119 expose wrongdoing in the military war crimes. Otherwise he would 499 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.559 have been guilty of a war crime. So getting getting 500 00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:13.000 that video op from Iraq from the guys of shooting 501 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.519 shooting people reporters from an Apache helicopter, he had an 502 00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:20.000 oath to a sworn oath to expose that. And I'll 503 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.920 just mentioned this very briefly about Julian Massange. My old 504 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.319 roommate from college, Sean Naylor, and we were roommates when 505 00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.440 we did a journalism internship in Washington, d C. Sean 506 00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.640 was one of the three reporters who exposed the CIA 507 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.960 spying on Julian Massage. We were roommates in college. You know, 508 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.240 I used to bother him playing psychedelic for his music 509 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.200 until he realized they were really, really awesome. So here 510 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.240 is the Federalist coming from a slightly different perspective. Here 511 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.960 are all the people on record debunking The Atlantic's latest 512 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:56.680 Trump hoax. Now this isn't too again praise Donald Trump 513 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:58.839 or anything, and I've got some good stuff from Jacob 514 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.200 Hornberger to act actually expose the fact that many people 515 00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.440 are praising Donald Trump at the same time that they're 516 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:10.519 ridiculing this unsubstantiated claim. Well, it turns out that many things, 517 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.760 or most of the things that the United States does, 518 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:19.559 are a mix of Marxism. That's of course, international communism, statism, socialism, 519 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.519 and national socialism like Nazism. So here it is many 520 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.480 people close to this situation immediately went on record to 521 00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:32.960 blast The Atlantic's allegations of falts and as being politically motivated. 522 00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.639 And we've got this. It's the same guy that about 523 00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:40.559 two weeks before the twenty twenty election did a similar thing. 524 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.920 Shortly before the twenty twenty election, Atlantic editor in chief 525 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.320 Jeffrey Goldberg, And of course the Atlantic is basically the 526 00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:51.440 spearhead for the Atlantic Council. So unless he gets in 527 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.239 a lot of trouble, he's basically assured a job. It's 528 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.840 not like another publication that has to just rely on 529 00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:01.639 subscribers and try to attract people. They're part of the 530 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:05.960 Atlantic Council, the Atlantic Magazine. They're going to be perpetuated. 531 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:10.760 So Goldberg published in twenty twenty a sensational, anonymously sourced 532 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.599 rumor that then President Donald Trump had referred to soldiers 533 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:20.280 in turn at Anstemarni American cemetery in France as suckers 534 00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:25.239 and losers. In response, twenty five people, fourteen of whom 535 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:28.760 were with the president in France at the time, went 536 00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:32.079 on record to call the story a hoax and debunk 537 00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:37.039 its claims. One election cycle later, history is repeating itself. 538 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:41.360 Two weeks before election day, with Trump on the upswing 539 00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:45.119 and all the joy vanished from the Kamala Harris campaign, 540 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:50.599 Goldberg has once again found anonymous sources to accuse Trump 541 00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:56.400 of a schmorgshboard of outlandish comments, including a negative remark 542 00:35:56.719 --> 00:36:00.519 about a murdered Army soldier. Now this this is all 543 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.079 part of the same attack on Trump again. I'm just 544 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:07.480 trying to show the lack of journalistic ethics, the lack 545 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.519 of sourcing, and of course the games people play as 546 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.079 the spinners might have sung, and once again, multiple and 547 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:19.119 credible on the record denials immediately undermined the story. So 548 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:23.599 here is the first phase that they discuss. Goldberg's hatch 549 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:27.440 job begins with a retelling of Trump's interactions with the 550 00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:33.159 family of murdered Army specialist Vanessa Gyann, interactions which were 551 00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:37.280 so respectful and personal that even Goldberg couldn't make them 552 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:42.519 sound anything but gracious. Then Goldberg claims, without citing a source, 553 00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:48.760 that Trump later angrily refused to pay Gianne's funeral expenses, saying, quote, 554 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:52.480 it doesn't cost sixty thousand bucks to bury an effing 555 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:57.800 Mexican end quote, according to this writer, Goldberg, as the 556 00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:03.039 piece in The Atlantic, continues, gold again without attribution, claims 557 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:07.159 Trump wished for quote the kind of generals that Hitler 558 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:11.480 had end quote. Not until paragraph twenty four does Goldberg 559 00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:15.800 even kind of attribute any accusations to a named source, 560 00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.320 citing claims in a book written about Trump that alleged 561 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:23.320 the president once asked his former chief of staff, John Kelly, 562 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:27.360 why can't you be like the German generals. Goldberg goes 563 00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.199 on to include more salacious snippets he attributed to Kelly. 564 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:36.400 Kelly has made no secret of his disdain for Trump. Meanwhile, 565 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.360 Goldberg reached out to multiple people intimately familiar with Trump's 566 00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.840 interactions with the Giant family, and they went on record 567 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:49.920 to deny the accusations. More publicly, Moore ended up publicly 568 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:55.320 calling out this man after the piece was published. So far, 569 00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.599 nine people have gone on record to debunk Goldberg's outrageous claims. 570 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:06.400 One of them, Myra Gianne, said through her lawyer that 571 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:10.760 sister Vanessa Gan's sister Myra gave a statement saying I 572 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.199 am beyond grateful for all the support President Donald Trump 573 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.239 showed our family during a trying time. Eyewitnessed firsthand how 574 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:22.400 President Trump honors our nation's hero's service. Okay, we're going 575 00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:25.760 to pause there for a quick moment. If you're in 576 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:29.719 the military and there's no declared war and they're deploying 577 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:34.280 you somewhere, there's a problem. If it's outside the United States, 578 00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:38.039 there's a major problem. That they even called the US 579 00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:42.239 military the branches, the Army and the Air Force. There 580 00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:45.639 is supposed to be the US Navy according to their constitution, 581 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:49.679 and the militia, not the National Guard, not the US Army, 582 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:52.760 not the Marines, not the special forces X nay on 583 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:58.239 all that, those are all fantasy terms anybody. And this 584 00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.880 is the thing again, I'm anna kiss Christian. I believe 585 00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:05.360 that government is illegitimate, the state. I believe that it 586 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.559 is immoral to force my neighbor to pay for his 587 00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.400 own protection. The force is the problem, doesn't matter, whatever canards. 588 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:14.800 There's excuses I come up with to say, you better 589 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.360 pay now because this threat is really bad, so give 590 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.880 us your money. Again, that is immoral and practically, how 591 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:23.840 do we know whether that guy wanted to spend that 592 00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.880 money on that, how much of it he wanted, whether 593 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.800 or not it's actually going to provide him with protection, 594 00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.079 just as to people in New York on nine to eleven, 595 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.679 people in Pennsylvania the Pentagon, you know, I mean yeah, 596 00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:39.760 we all know that it was solely solely some so 597 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:44.360 called terrorists from Afghanistan. It was only then, right, But 598 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.840 if we look at the protective idea, that's a canard. 599 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.079 You have to adjudge how much protection you want, and 600 00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:53.000 you have no right to force someone else to pay 601 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:56.800 for your protection, because of course that's an infringement of rights, 602 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.719 which is aggression, which means you're engaging in tie protection. 603 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.719 So you can see the circular, the philosophical circle on that. 604 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.760 That's the qed the teutology, as they would say. So 605 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.920 when they talk about the heroes, I do want to 606 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.000 mention that when people thank the military for their service, 607 00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:20.679 what exactly are they doing there? I believe, and you know, 608 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.199 I want to touch on this as softly as possible, 609 00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:25.599 but I would like to remind people. And I've spoken 610 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.440 to guys being deployed in airports, They've had their their 611 00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.440 uniforms on. I've been in the terminals and I say, 612 00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.199 do you mind if I ask you a question? I 613 00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.719 said sure. I was like, you know, I noticed you're 614 00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:37.480 in your you know, you're in your outfit there and 615 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.760 your your head now you got your your sand sand 616 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:46.480 colored uh uh uh. You know military US military fatigues on. 617 00:40:46.719 --> 00:40:50.239 So tell me you swear and or to protect and 618 00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.960 defend the US Constitution. Yes, I do. There's no declaration 619 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.239 of war, that's true. The US military can only be 620 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.840 deployed and used by the president if there's a declaration 621 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:06.039 of war that's true. Has a capital W means you 622 00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.440 don't kill civilians. You don't shoot people from an Apache 623 00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.440 helicopter as they're trying to rescue people that you just shot, 624 00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:18.360 you know, journalists in Iraq. You don't sit on oil 625 00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:21.440 in Syria. You don't try to topple governments. You don't 626 00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:26.559 engage like Victoria Neulan with CIA and special forces inside 627 00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.239 Ukraine to help train people. You don't give them weapons, 628 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:33.440 all those things. There's no declared war, you don't have 629 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:37.000 any official allies, and you're not defending the United States. 630 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.199 So I said, you know, how do you feel that 631 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:42.000 you're getting deployed overseas and there's no declaration of war? 632 00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:44.800 And I've asked this of at least three people that 633 00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.639 I can remember. Every one of them has given me 634 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.239 the same answer, Well, I do what they tell me. 635 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.760 I'm sorry to say that's not your oath. Your oath 636 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.880 is to abide by constitutional orders, lawful constitutional orders. If 637 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:05.239 they're giving you an unconstitutional order, it's your duty to truth, 638 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:12.360 to God and your own integrity to not comply. The 639 00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.800 more people who did that, the less often tragedies like 640 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:19.800 this would happen. So they said, we're grateful for everything 641 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.480 he has done and continues to do to support our troops. 642 00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.159 After the story was published, mayorgahanne blasted Goldberg for exploiting 643 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.159 my sister's death for politics. And there's a lot more, 644 00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:35.960 but I'd like to show you a little bit of 645 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:46.199 the reaction to this rumor from none other then you 646 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:46.679 know who. 647 00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:50.639 The vice president and the Donald Trump's former chief of staff, 648 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:54.960 John Kelly, a retired four star general, confirmed that wild 649 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.800 Donald Trump was president. He said he wanted generals like 650 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.800 Adolf Hitler had. Donald Trump said that because he does 651 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:08.239 not want a military that is loyal to the United 652 00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.480 States Constitution. 653 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:17.039 He's a deposit right there. She has the unmitigated gall 654 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.719 to talk about being loyal to the United States Constitution. 655 00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:24.039 This a woman who wants to hand out twenty five 656 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:28.239 thousand dollars to new home buyers. This a woman who 657 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:33.079 hasn't lifted a finger to stop Anthony Blincoln promising another 658 00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.760 five billion dollars in military aid to the Israeli IDF 659 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:43.400 Zionist government. And it is not antisemitic to criticize a 660 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.960 polis in the generic form. So, and by the way, 661 00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.000 my last name's Goldsmith. I'm not Jewish, but I'll mention 662 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:54.559 this again. I went to Boston University. The population there 663 00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:57.559 is like eighty something percent Jewish, and the things that 664 00:43:57.639 --> 00:44:00.519 I would hear some of the Zionists, the ash Kenazi 665 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.400 Jews saying about the Semitic Palestinian people would turn your 666 00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:11.719 toes upside down. They literally would say they're nothing but animals. 667 00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:18.199 I heard that in the eighties at Boston University because 668 00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.840 they thought I was Jewish, so I guess they accepted 669 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:24.000 me into their little cliques sometimes thinking they could say 670 00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.320 these things in classrooms and stuff. I don't know what 671 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.480 the deal was, but this is a woman who literally 672 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.639 is part of a regime that has drone killed people 673 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:40.719 extra judicially, and that has continued to feed weapons to Ukraine, 674 00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:46.280 that has been involved in fascist subsidies to green corporations, 675 00:44:46.519 --> 00:44:51.599 and doesn't want you to know. Evidently the history that 676 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.639 you know is not that long ago. 677 00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.840 Loyal to him. He wants in a military who will 678 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.920 be loyal to him personally, one that will obey his 679 00:45:03.159 --> 00:45:05.880 orders even when he tells them to break the law 680 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:08.639 or abandon their oath to the Constitution. 681 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.840 Again, you know it's you don't even just continue. 682 00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:16.039 The United States. In just the past week, Donald Trump 683 00:45:16.119 --> 00:45:20.400 has repeatedly called his fellow Americans the enemy from within, 684 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.800 and even said that he would use the United States 685 00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:28.559 military to go after American citizens. And let's be clear 686 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:33.280 about who he considers to be the enemy from within. 687 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:40.920 She's working with Joe Biden, who was Vice president with 688 00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:44.760 Barack Obama when Biden and Obama tried to use the 689 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:52.159 Espionage Act to prosecute war whistleblowers and journalists than all 690 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.440 presidents prior to them combined, going back to the passage 691 00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.480 of it in World War One. Ah, this is a 692 00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:03.199 rich dish. You want some gravy on top of that, 693 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.360 lard and butter. 694 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:10.559 Holy Molly, anyone who refuses to bend a knee or 695 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.119 dares to criticize him would qualify in his mind as 696 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:16.119 the enemy within. 697 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.719 Okay, So does anybody remember what she just said a 698 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.199 couple weeks ago when she was with Jake Tapper about 699 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.119 social media sites if they don't conform to what the 700 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:35.159 United States government thinks is proper speech. Oh man, Ah, 701 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:39.000 they really hope that your memory is about as long 702 00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:43.800 as the lifespan of a flea. My goodness, just unbelievable. 703 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:48.599 I see comments on X Freethinking fl Mom says, I 704 00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:51.760 feel peace that John Brennan will meet his maker one day. 705 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:56.159 It's in God's hands, free thinking. I know what you mean. 706 00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.559 And of course the team here at the Liberty Conspiracy 707 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:03.639 Studios also has this and bar and haspell oh great points. 708 00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:10.840 Trump surrounded himself with the swamp absolutely absolutely great points. Now, 709 00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:17.400 as another little example of just you know how much 710 00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.639 Kamala Harris evidently wants you to hear one thing but 711 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:24.000 not here another thing based on where she is, Let's 712 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.280 go to the CNN town hall, which in no way 713 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:32.440 was prefabricated and trumped up and didn't already have the 714 00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.039 questioners selected. And I mentioned on my Liberty Conspiracy program 715 00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.280 in my book Live for You or Die, which is 716 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.840 a collection of nonfiction essays, and there's short stories and 717 00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.000 a script that never got made when I was over 718 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:47.679 at the Outer Limits in Vancouver. But I have an 719 00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:51.440 article that I wrote it called a Story of Two Forums, 720 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.880 and it's about how when Al Gore was running against 721 00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.320 Bill Bradley for the Democrat nomination years ago, they had 722 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:05.519 a town hall forum on Nightline with Ted Couple and 723 00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:07.920 he brought his little wood stand and all that stuff. 724 00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:11.599 My brother is an attorney and he was the head 725 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:13.840 of the bar association in this town for a while. 726 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:16.559 It sort of goes around Robin for different attorneys and stuff, 727 00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.639 and so he got, uh, he got a fax from 728 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.960 ABC and they said, would you like to come to 729 00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.239 this town hall meeting with Bradley and so on? And 730 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.280 they you know, they must have thought being a lawyer 731 00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:30.119 in that town he was a Democrat. I don't know. 732 00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.119 So so he said, hey, guard, I can't go. Would 733 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.840 you like to go? And I said yeah, sure. So 734 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.519 he goes, yeah, you got to call his phone number. 735 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.119 So I called the number and there's a nightline producer 736 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.679 that calls you back or something I can't remember, and 737 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:45.679 and he said yeah. He said, uh, he must have 738 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.199 thought I was my brother. And so he said, oh, 739 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:50.679 what question do you want to ask? And I thought, well, 740 00:48:50.679 --> 00:48:52.559 that's a curious thing to bring up in a phone. 741 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:54.119 For what question? I just thought maybe it was just 742 00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.280 passing conversation. He was just being being, you know, loquacious 743 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.320 or something. So I said, oh, well, you know, I'd 744 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:01.760 like to ask these peeople how they can justify things 745 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.360 like the Department of Education if they're swearing and all 746 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.440 to the US Constitution. Its Oh no, that's that's much 747 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.800 too in depth. I think I mentioned something maybe about 748 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.400 the second amendment or something is no no, and I 749 00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:15.760 was like, oh, okay, all right. So anyway, it came 750 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:17.719 to the day to day for the thing, and I 751 00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:21.599 went over to this little college in Nashua and or 752 00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.320 as out of state. A radio advertisers called it Nashua. 753 00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:28.920 That's how you know if you're here an add in 754 00:49:28.920 --> 00:49:31.199 New Hampshire and they say Nashua. You know it was 755 00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.920 actually spoken. The narration came from somebody outside New Hampshire. 756 00:49:35.320 --> 00:49:38.880 So I go there early, about an hour early. And 757 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.159 it's a theater with microphones and either aisle going down 758 00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.000 to the to the stage where they've got the podiums 759 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:52.599 and ted couples, wooden you know, platform thing, and so 760 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.039 I go and I noticed there aren't too many people 761 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:57.920 there yet, and near the microphones there are these blue 762 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:02.039 pieces of paper on the chair so it said for 763 00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:05.519 questioners or something. So I was like, oh, I want 764 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.119 to ask a question. This is great. I got here 765 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.159 early enough, I'm I'm going to be good. So I 766 00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:11.920 pick up the piece of paper, I sit down, and 767 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:17.440 some person comes down from ABC and he says, are 768 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.679 you one of the questioners. I was like, well, you know, yeah, 769 00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:22.239 I want to I have a question that I'd like 770 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.119 to ask. Yeah, he says, no, are you one of 771 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.159 the questioners? I was like, well, what do you mean. 772 00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:31.199 He goes, well, you know, the people asking questions, they've 773 00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.559 already been selected. I was like what he says, yeah, 774 00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.679 you know, they arrived at four this afternoon. They're in 775 00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:41.119 the other room, so they already had selected the questions 776 00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:43.719 based on the phone calls they flagged the people. It 777 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.000 was all pre fabricated, but they called it a nightline 778 00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.960 town hall, right, So we got to be entertained by 779 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:56.639 such wonderful and insightful questions that just showed great cognition 780 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.519 about do you support a man mission of mine? And 781 00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:04.719 I know it wasn't Elon Musk asking the question while 782 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.440 I was asking questions about the functionality of how they're 783 00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.320 going about making the US government completely veer away even 784 00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:15.599 more and more from what they swear ohs to uphold 785 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.880 their constitution, even the very concept of having a written constitution. 786 00:51:20.320 --> 00:51:26.280 So the second forum was in Manchester, New Hampshire. Actually 787 00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.039 it was darry, New Hampshire on a local TV station 788 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:33.119 where Eric Shiner of MRCTV was working, and he called 789 00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.039 me up. He said, hey, guard, you know we're having 790 00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.079 a forum. Would you like to come over. Bill Bradley's 791 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.440 going to be there, senator from New Jersey who's running 792 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.480 against Gore, And I said sure. He goes, yeah, I 793 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:43.519 figure you probably have a pretty good question that you 794 00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.280 might want to ask. So I got there. It was 795 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.039 open to the public, people could walk in. I sat down, 796 00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.920 and the question I asked Bill Bradley. He clearly didn't like, 797 00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:57.079 because I said, Senator Bradley, many people try to justify 798 00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:01.000 further expansion of the US government and things like education 799 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.320 or welfare by claiming the Constitution is what they call 800 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:12.159 a living document or relying on Supreme Court precedent to 801 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:16.159 claim that that is the new reading. Since that leaves states, 802 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:21.559 businesses and individuals' rights open to judicial or congressional whim, 803 00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:25.480 do you think that that is justified? And if you 804 00:52:25.519 --> 00:52:29.800 do think that reading anything into it is justified, why 805 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.880 do you think that the founders put an amendment process 806 00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:36.119 in there? And do you think that there's really no 807 00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:41.599 reason to even bother having a written constitution? So he 808 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:45.280 sort of blinked, because, you know, as I mentioned on 809 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.199 my show the other night, you know, I had sort 810 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:51.320 of figured out what his possible answers were going to 811 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:53.920 be and closed off those doors. I had plugged up 812 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.159 all those little holes in the in the dyke, and 813 00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.280 so he sort of blinked. He had to think about 814 00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:04.840 it for a second. He goes, well, I consider myself 815 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:09.239 a child of the Declaration of Independence, and I believe 816 00:53:09.360 --> 00:53:13.519 that government is there to provide us with life, liberty, 817 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.079 and the pursuit of happiness. And I believe in life, 818 00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:18.239 liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and I believe that 819 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.039 in these days, government is there to give us these 820 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:28.599 things like, oh, okay, you kind of flipped what Thomas 821 00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:33.599 Jefferson wrote, But whatever, Okay, thank you. I think you 822 00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:35.960 sort of exposed yourself to a lot of people there. 823 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:39.639 Let's hear Kamala Harris. And remember she talked about how 824 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:44.400 Donald Trump doesn't like judges, He wants to control the courts, 825 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.760 this sort of thing, wants everybody to answer to him. 826 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:50.000 This is what she said in her statement. And now 827 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.280 we get this from the CNN town Hall. 828 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:57.400 Increasingly or losing confidence in the Supreme Court, and in 829 00:53:57.480 --> 00:54:00.119 large part because of the behavior of certain members of 830 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.920 that Court and because of certain rulings, including the Dobbs 831 00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:07.000 decision and taking away a precedent that had been in 832 00:54:07.000 --> 00:54:09.840 place for fifty years protecting a woman's right to make 833 00:54:09.880 --> 00:54:11.079 decisions about her own body. 834 00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.880 Okay, so you know there are about eight million canards 835 00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.559 in that, because if she's making a decision about her 836 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.719 own body, then you're not stopping another human being from existing, 837 00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:27.039 are you. Life begins at conception. The human who is 838 00:54:27.119 --> 00:54:31.599 created has separate DNA from the parents. The fetus is human, 839 00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:37.400 the fetus is being. The fourteenth Amendment requires that any 840 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.079 state that has statutes, and it's supposed to be a 841 00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:45.079 state issue abortion. The Dobs decision was correct. This again 842 00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:48.880 coming from a Christian anarchist here. I don't support any polis, 843 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:54.960 but I'll remind them of their rules. The Constitution leaves 844 00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.400 the punishment for capital murder up to the states. It's 845 00:54:59.480 --> 00:55:03.599 possible that the states might never have any statutes punishing 846 00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.639 people for committing capital murder. But if they've got statutes 847 00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:10.800 that punish people for committing murder and taking the life 848 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.840 of another human being, the Fourteenth Amendment equal protection not 849 00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:20.239 equal treatment. Equal protection clause requires that the states protect 850 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:25.079 people equally. So if someone takes the life of a 851 00:55:25.159 --> 00:55:28.039 human being, who's seventeen years old working at a seven 852 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:33.559 to eleven behind the counter, and the state prosecutes that person. 853 00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:38.880 But a doctor takes the life on hire from our 854 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:41.880 tax money with planned parenthood or somebody else going in 855 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.400 and paying for it for an abortion, that also is 856 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.800 the taking of a human life. The fourteenth Amendment would 857 00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:54.320 require all states to equally protect all human beings. It's 858 00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.159 not about a woman's right to choose about her own life. 859 00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:02.800 It's not about privacy, because if you can use that argument, 860 00:56:02.880 --> 00:56:06.280 then murder inside your own home is clearly acceptable, and 861 00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:08.400 if you do it somewhere where nobody sees it, that's 862 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.880 clearly acceptable too, because you can do it privately. You 863 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.400 can hire somebody to kill somebody else in a room, 864 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.960 right and then sell their body parts. Center Medical Progress 865 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:22.840 has done a great job covering that stuff. So this 866 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:27.599 is just amazing that evidently the Democrats really don't want 867 00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:33.039 folks to know about this astounding hypocrisy. But let's take 868 00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:38.119 one final glance at fascism. Jacob Hornberger of the Future 869 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:46.199 of Freedom Foundation writes with this rather salacious headline, what's 870 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:52.199 wrong with admiring Hitler? Obviously he's being sarcastic, but he 871 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:57.599 notes this. According to an article in The New York Times, 872 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:02.239 former Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly, who also served as 873 00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:07.280 Donald Trump's longest serving chief O staff, confirmed previous reports 874 00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.840 that mister Trump had made admiring statements about Hitler. Kelly 875 00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:15.119 made the statement in the context of discussing Trump's authoritarian proclivities. 876 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.800 Trump isn't the only one, though. According to an article 877 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:22.320 in The Daily Mail, a fifth of gen Z Americans 878 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:25.639 twelve to twenty seven years of age believed that Hitler 879 00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.920 had some good ideas. All right, that's not necessarily the 880 00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:34.280 important thing. What Jacob brings up is not the Holocaust 881 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:39.159 period of Hitler's reign, but the decade of the nineteen 882 00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:48.159 thirties when mister Hitler was serving as Chancellor of Germany. 883 00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.960 How do American statists feel about the pre war, pre 884 00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:59.239 Holocaust Hitler, He says, Let's consider some of Hitler's positions. First, 885 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:03.559 Hitler was a big supporter of social security, which is 886 00:58:03.599 --> 00:58:06.440 a socialist program that is near and dear to the 887 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:13.840 hearts of every American statist. Why even reform oriented libertarians 888 00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.320 favored the continuation of this socialist program for at least 889 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.760 one generation and possibly longer. In fact, the concept of 890 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:27.159 social security originated in Germany, and so it's no surprise 891 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.920 that Hitler would favor it, especially given that his philosophy 892 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:35.199 was based on national socialism. The concept was made part 893 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.960 of the American system in the nineteen thirties and has 894 00:58:38.039 --> 00:58:41.239 remained a permanent and extremely popular part of American life 895 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.000 ever since. And of course, the first year that they 896 00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:45.599 started paying out, the first woman who got it got 897 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.679 more than she put into it. It has always been 898 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:53.199 a parasitic ponzi scheme. Number two Medicare and Medicaid. Hitler 899 00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:58.800 strongly believed in government provided health care. So do American statists. 900 00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:03.440 For that matter, many reform oriented libertarians favor the continuation 901 00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:07.239 of these socialist programs as well, calling for health savings 902 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:12.159 accounts or something called direct medical care as reforms intended 903 00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:17.159 to fix and improve America's longstanding healthcare crisis, which of 904 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.639 course is rooted in government manipulation of the insurance market 905 00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:27.519 and regulations. Three, A large permanent military established to provide 906 00:59:27.559 --> 00:59:32.320 so called strong national defense. These are things that Hitler favored, 907 00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:35.519 and that American conservatives and liberals, as well as Republican 908 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:39.239 light libertarians favor as well. Then you've got the interstate 909 00:59:39.320 --> 00:59:42.880 highway system. Again. There are only three forms of land 910 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:46.639 in the Constitution that the federal government can control. One 911 00:59:46.840 --> 00:59:50.360 a ten square mile area for the capital, which is Washington, 912 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:54.800 d C. Two territories, and then territories become states when 913 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.280 they enter the United States as states, the Constitution says 914 00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.880 they enter with all the rights and privileges of any 915 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:03.440 other state. And of course that means that they don't 916 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:05.639 have to seed land. And even if they could see 917 01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:08.199 the land, there's nothing in the Constitution that lets the 918 01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.079 federal government run parks or national monuments or anything like that. 919 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:14.599 It's just not there, just like the word immigration isn't 920 01:00:14.639 --> 01:00:17.159 there so you can read it. You'll be there for 921 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:19.880 a long time searching. You won't find it right. And 922 01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:21.840 of course, if you're in a debate with anybody about 923 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:24.159 these things, you'll win the debate. Just bring this stuff up. 924 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:27.559 I've debated Pat Buchanan, tomp Ten, Credo, JD. Hayworth about 925 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.639 these things and they all agree on the immigration thing. Well, Gardner, 926 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.239 you're right, and then they continue to move on. You say, well, 927 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.519 we're being invaded. What's the answer if you're being invaded, 928 01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:38.400 you have to declare war against the invading nation state. 929 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:40.920 Congress has to do that. If it's not a nation state, 930 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:43.880 then you issue letters of mark and reprisal because they're 931 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:47.639 non uniformed so called combatants, and then you can hire mercenaries. 932 01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:49.440 The president can do that. Those are the only ways 933 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.440 you do it. Sorry to say, for people who want 934 01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:56.440 to see American hegemony everywhere in the United States, central 935 01:00:56.599 --> 01:01:01.039 collectivist system running the immigration programs been real good so far. 936 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:05.119 On conservatives, I hope you'll take another look. Then maybe 937 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:07.400 not you, but you can remind other people. You'll be 938 01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.000 able to win the argument. If you mentioned it's a 939 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.320 state issue. So then we've got the interstate highway system, clearly. 940 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:16.599 The other aspect is military garrisons. So you've got DC 941 01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:24.159 military garrisons and territories. So is a highway of military garrison. No, 942 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:28.199 it's not interstate highway system unconstitutional. A lot of people 943 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:29.960 praise it, they think it's a great idea. Of course, 944 01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:33.719 it's based on the Autoba Hitler's idea. Then we have 945 01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:38.199 public schooling. Hitler, like Marx, like all American status seem 946 01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.159 they love the concept of government run schooling and of course, 947 01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.679 even some libertarians think that it's a nice idea to 948 01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:48.280 have the state give vouchers to people, which will then 949 01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:54.239 infuse the schools with the poison of the government money. Yeah, 950 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:59.480 then we have a government regulated and government managed economy. Yep. Absolutely, 951 01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:04.440 Hitler like American status, like Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, 952 01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:07.280 gonna have the freedom cities, We're gonna have the tariffs. 953 01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.880 They like to decide for other people what is essential 954 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.559 and not essential. That's what teriffs do. And we've got 955 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:18.079 paper money and a central bank. Like American status. Hitler 956 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.480 was a firm believer in both paper money and a 957 01:02:20.559 --> 01:02:23.199 central bank. And of course keep in mind that Franklin 958 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:28.440 Roosevelt abandoned America's constitutional monetary system. I agree with Ron Paul. 959 01:02:28.519 --> 01:02:31.280 All you have to do is allow for competitive, free 960 01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.360 market banking, and people will be attracted to a system 961 01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:37.719 that actually has gold or something valuable in it when 962 01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:42.280 they're issuing their currency and they're not fractionally reserved currency lenders, 963 01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:44.679 because you want to make sure that if you go 964 01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:46.920 in with your piece of paper, you can redeem it 965 01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.880 for something valuable. Nobody would take the money if they 966 01:02:49.960 --> 01:02:51.800 knew it came from that sort of a bank. But 967 01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:54.079 we all have to do with their stuff. We've got 968 01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:57.440 things like invasions and wars of aggression as the United 969 01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:01.239 States invaded Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. And look what's going 970 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.920 on with the United States funding proxy wars with the 971 01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:09.159 IDF and Ukraine, and things like trial by tribunal. Hitler 972 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:12.159 favored this type of trial for accused terrorists, as do 973 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.800 American status. Just ask Ron DeSantis when he was a 974 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:20.360 jag and visited you know where? Yep, yeah, they say 975 01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:22.360 he was in Guantanamo Bay. There were people who were 976 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:25.039 there who recognize him, and so they say he had 977 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:28.880 to have known what was going on there. So that 978 01:03:29.039 --> 01:03:33.519 I think is valuable information. Now, let's take an opportunity 979 01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:39.559 to turn to someone who exposed not the CCdh from 980 01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.880 the UK, not the Trump administration or the Kamala Harris 981 01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:47.920 gang for being fascist in many ways or collective as 982 01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.119 socialists in many ways and pantering to people not draining 983 01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:54.760 the swamp as we see free thinking Florida Mom says, 984 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:59.360 and barr and haspell Yep. Trump surrounded himself with the swamp, 985 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.480 so right, and also inside Rock Fin I want to 986 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:06.599 thank Jeb Clayton rock on Guard. He gave a contribution 987 01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:09.920 to the program and I appreciate that. Inside Rock Finn, 988 01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:13.599 he says, Rock on Guard doing a great job. Happy Friday, 989 01:04:13.719 --> 01:04:17.159 and you too, and Amos Poole. And in relation to Tim, 990 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.199 I heard there's been a shake up in Tim's show. 991 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:22.159 He's been getting a little tired. I think Gard love 992 01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:25.079 your knowledge of music. I'm reminded of something that Dead 993 01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:29.039 Kennedy's saying and may be appropriate in this political season. 994 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:36.480 She's no stranger to I can't mention that one, but yes, 995 01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:41.360 I will give you. And unfortunately Jello has come out as, 996 01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:46.320 of course a real hardcore leftist, no surprise. Let's talk 997 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:48.320 about a guy who's not a hardcore leftist. He's one 998 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.639 of my mentors in writing. His name is Tom Montalione. 999 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:54.599 I got to have a conversation with Tom last night 1000 01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:56.960 on the program, and I want to offer it to 1001 01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:00.599 you right now on my program, Liberty Conspiracy. I take 1002 01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:05.000 my time at Star Trek Voyager and in the script department. 1003 01:05:05.159 --> 01:05:08.159 I like to remember the old Vulcan mind meld. So 1004 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:12.119 let's give you this on the David Knight Program for 1005 01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.639 our mind meld with a man who exposed some other 1006 01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.880 people at the Horror Writers Association and the Bram Stoker 1007 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:26.079 Awards for their unbelievable prejudicial wokeness in handing out awards 1008 01:05:26.440 --> 01:05:27.239 for writing. 1009 01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:46.199 I must try to mind meld with its. 1010 01:05:43.480 --> 01:05:44.360 Entity, and. 1011 01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:57.599 Mine's a merging doctor. Our minds are won. I feel 1012 01:05:57.719 --> 01:05:58.519 what you feel. 1013 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:07.679 I know what you know. All right, all right, let's 1014 01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:15.519 go to our conversation with Tom Montalioni. Tom is a 1015 01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.159 very good guy. I really appreciate all the things that 1016 01:06:19.199 --> 01:06:23.119 Tom Montealioni has done for me, and so I'd like 1017 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:26.840 to give this to you right now and let me 1018 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.199 just pull this out out here for you. Interview with 1019 01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.480 Tom Montaloni from last night, one of my mentors in 1020 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.320 writing on the David Night Show. Always a great opportunity 1021 01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:41.719 to be able to chat with my mentor. A great guy, 1022 01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.760 former fellow New Hampshire. Write from the Granite State, the 1023 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:48.719 live for aer Die State here in deepest darkest Russia, 1024 01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:53.119 where repropagate the propaganda. And he is a great writer 1025 01:06:53.360 --> 01:06:56.920 on his own, a great editor, a great publisher, and 1026 01:06:57.159 --> 01:07:03.559 a great hero for integrity and people who believe in 1027 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:07.000 the merit of someone's work rather than slathering it with 1028 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.480 all sorts of labels that show instead that you're a woke, 1029 01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:15.480 prejudicial jerk. So let's bring in a guy who is 1030 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:18.280 not a jerk and expose some people who have engaged 1031 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:22.000 in that sort of thing. He is the award winning 1032 01:07:22.280 --> 01:07:27.360 bram Stoke Award winning science fiction, horror and adventure writer 1033 01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:31.000 and publisher. He is none other than my friend and 1034 01:07:31.159 --> 01:07:35.920 mentor Tom MONTALIONI a Borderlands Press Tom. How are you, man? 1035 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:36.719 Man? 1036 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.440 I feel great and it's an honor to be on 1037 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:45.159 this thing. I really thank you for the invite, and yeah, 1038 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:48.119 I'm looking forward to having some interesting conversations with you. 1039 01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:50.880 Yeah, well, you know, you and I have spoken about 1040 01:07:50.920 --> 01:07:53.360 this over at the Liberty Conspiracy Show on the evening 1041 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:56.559 show that I do. And I want to mention, of course, 1042 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.320 people might be familiar with your novels, with your nonfiction 1043 01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:03.199 work on how to write novels, with the editorship of 1044 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:07.000 many award winning books, and of course with Borderlands Press 1045 01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:10.360 and what you released there, and so I wanted to 1046 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:13.639 welcome you to the David Knight Show for David's audience, 1047 01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:18.439 because yeah, you have done something that in addition to 1048 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.560 your publishing and you know, raising a family and you know, 1049 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:25.039 being an all around good guy, pro freedom guy, and 1050 01:08:25.079 --> 01:08:28.439 of course amazing stories about meeting Mafiosa's in the North 1051 01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:34.079 End of Boston at Italian I love that story. I 1052 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:38.119 love that story with the don I wanted to bring 1053 01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:42.000 you in because over the past year your name has 1054 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:47.000 floated around as one of the people who along with 1055 01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.840 there's a writer named John Dela Rose who yes, yes. 1056 01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:52.439 And I've been corresponding with him. 1057 01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:55.359 Someone Yes, John is a good guy. I have a 1058 01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.520 couple of his novels. Good writer and a very conservative 1059 01:08:58.520 --> 01:09:02.439 pro liberty guy. And people like nerd Roti, Gary Biegler 1060 01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:05.319 and a number of folks who call themselves used to 1061 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:10.640 call themselves the fandom menace rather than the phantom menace 1062 01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.399 from Star Wars, who are people who are pro liberty 1063 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:19.039 and are interested in quality, and had noticed that a 1064 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:23.640 lot of entertainment, including prose fiction, was getting waylaid by 1065 01:09:24.239 --> 01:09:26.720 the people who wanted to infuse things with their agenda 1066 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:32.880 deconstructionism writ large and infusing everything with leftist, collectivist, neo 1067 01:09:32.920 --> 01:09:37.159 Marxist ideology. And one of the things that really came up, 1068 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:40.640 and I would never have expected it, was your name 1069 01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:46.960 as a guy who uncovered something inside the very well 1070 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:50.159 known Bram Stoker Awards, and I had already known that 1071 01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.920 you had stood up for quality work in your anthologies. 1072 01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.800 And people tried to excoriate you and said, you've got 1073 01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:58.439 to do this, You've got to bring in this group 1074 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:00.920 or that group are representative. You just say, I just 1075 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.159 want good stories. How about representation of good stuff? 1076 01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.439 Oh yeah, I got. I got a Borderline six which 1077 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:10.600 which won a Stoker Award for Best Anthology. Two or 1078 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:17.079 three people attacked it because all the writers were American, 1079 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:23.199 two sixty percent of them were male, and none of 1080 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:29.279 them were of people of color. And I thought, you 1081 01:10:29.359 --> 01:10:32.239 got to be kidding me. That's the way I'm supposed 1082 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:36.840 to select stories for my anthologies. My Borderland series has 1083 01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:43.800 won the Stoker Award three times for really good anthology fiction. 1084 01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:48.479 And it wasn't because I worried about what you had 1085 01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.640 between your legs or how how much milk Madeline melon 1086 01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:54.119 and you had your skin. It was because you wrote 1087 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:54.920 a good story. 1088 01:10:55.039 --> 01:10:55.720 That was it. 1089 01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:57.600 That's all it was interested in. 1090 01:10:58.119 --> 01:11:01.199 And I was I was amazing is on Facebook, which 1091 01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:05.319 I hardly ever visited anymore, But on Facebook you had mentioned, look, 1092 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:08.560 we stripped the names off of these stories. I read 1093 01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.960 for the quality and the merit of the story. Isn't 1094 01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.560 that what it's all about? And people attacked you. They said, no, 1095 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:17.359 you've got to make up for this, You've got to 1096 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.319 make up for that this wrong in the past. 1097 01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:21.399 And so in other words, they said, it was my 1098 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:26.239 duty as an editor to seek out these mark what 1099 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.680 they called marginalized writers. 1100 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:32.920 Right, unbelievable. So in other words, you have to age, yeah, 1101 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:34.000 and you in other. 1102 01:11:33.920 --> 01:11:35.720 Words, I'm not a social worker. 1103 01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:38.600 Yeah, if they want to publish something based on that, 1104 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:41.439 they can go ahead and do that. But we shouldn't tell. 1105 01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:44.800 You to go through your own anthology. You know how 1106 01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:47.079 much you could go ten thousand dollars out of your 1107 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:50.800 pocket to pay for all the freaking stories. Yeah, and 1108 01:11:50.880 --> 01:11:51.600 see what it's like. 1109 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:53.279 Oh, it's it's amazing. 1110 01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:55.439 Tell me how I got to do it. Go do 1111 01:11:55.560 --> 01:11:56.279 it yourself. 1112 01:11:56.640 --> 01:11:59.800 Yeah, yeah, exactly, and see how well it sells if 1113 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:02.359 you thinking you can give it legs, you know. And 1114 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:04.560 the thing about it is that you go layer upon 1115 01:12:04.640 --> 01:12:09.239 layer upon layer. First, they've got that assumptive usurper attitude 1116 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:14.319 that concede an arrogance to tell you, hey, you're being 1117 01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:18.159 racist or sexist or homophobic or whatever. If you don't 1118 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:22.479 make up for what we perceive as past wrongs done 1119 01:12:22.560 --> 01:12:26.800 to completely other people, it's reparations within the writing community, right, 1120 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.199 whatever community it might be. That means you've got to 1121 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:33.680 be prejudicial. Yeah, that means you've got to have prejudice. 1122 01:12:33.800 --> 01:12:36.640 You've got That means you've got to have prejudice against 1123 01:12:36.920 --> 01:12:39.800 somebody else. You've got to decide, well, i'm gonna view 1124 01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:43.079 first your skin color. I'm gonna view first, which is 1125 01:12:43.119 --> 01:12:48.199 not why you're there. You want people to read good stories, insane. 1126 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:51.479 And my track record proves that that that's what I 1127 01:12:51.520 --> 01:12:57.359 was doing. Yeah, I was not pandering to any particular agenda, 1128 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:02.479 and I refuse to do that. But the interesting thing 1129 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:08.720 is that a lot of people would they would post 1130 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.840 on Facebook or they wouldn't, but they would send the 1131 01:13:11.920 --> 01:13:14.520 emails and they would say, listen, I'm on your side, 1132 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.880 but I don't want to say anything. And I would say, 1133 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:20.279 you know what, keep your head below The thought sells 1134 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.359 no problem. Be quiet, there's no you don't need to 1135 01:13:24.399 --> 01:13:26.920 go to back for me. I'll go to bed for myself. 1136 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.359 And you know, if they beat me down, they beat 1137 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.000 me down. My accomplishments speak for themselves. 1138 01:13:32.079 --> 01:13:32.680 I don't. 1139 01:13:32.720 --> 01:13:33.760 I'm not worried about that. 1140 01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:36.560 Well well stated, and you know, there are different there 1141 01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.399 are different folds to this too, because then this expands 1142 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:41.520 into the next phase, which came around about a year 1143 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.279 and a half ago, and we'll talk about that right 1144 01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:48.520 with the Bram Stoker Awards panel and the Horror Writers Association. 1145 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.399 So that was the first example that I saw a 1146 01:13:51.479 --> 01:13:54.640 number of years ago with Borderland six as you were, 1147 01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.560 you know, getting ready to accept stories, always stripping the 1148 01:13:57.640 --> 01:14:00.880 names off, just going by the stories. And what I 1149 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:04.520 always found interesting was these people I would bring up 1150 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:07.479 having worked at as you know, Annie's bookstop for years, 1151 01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:10.680 the owner told me, ninety some percent of what we 1152 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:14.319 sell we sell to women. It's romance novels. There aren't 1153 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:18.239 guys who write these novels. So I'm not out there saying, 1154 01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.239 you know, you should get more guys to write these novels. 1155 01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.560 It's just the market. If that's what somebody wants, then 1156 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.840 that's what somebody wants. I'm not going to force it 1157 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:31.720 on somebody or say that it's some innate, inherent imbalance. 1158 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:33.520 And then we get to the next level tom which 1159 01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:36.760 is even when you were when you are to say 1160 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:39.560 I strip the names off these things, then they'll come 1161 01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:43.159 back at you with this deconstructionism. The second layer is, well, 1162 01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:49.279 you don't even know your inherent inherent imbalance, your inherent prejudice. 1163 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:54.840 So because you're a white male, you already come slotted in, 1164 01:14:55.279 --> 01:15:00.159 programmed with certain prejudices that therefore, when you see a story, 1165 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.920 you will think that that story is ex amount better 1166 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:08.880 than another story by some person of personhood that has 1167 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:11.720 been put down for all these years. So you yourself, 1168 01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:14.399 so in other words, you should never even bother editing 1169 01:15:14.600 --> 01:15:15.000 a book. 1170 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.840 Exactly what am I doing with the hoopris to think 1171 01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:25.239 that I can create an anthology of good stories regardless 1172 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:26.359 of who wrote them? 1173 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:27.159 Right? 1174 01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:32.600 I obviously have been excoriated from that position. 1175 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:36.039 It's for you, Yes, it is amazing, and it's they're 1176 01:15:36.079 --> 01:15:40.680 all defensive walls. Really, you know what they are really are? 1177 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.680 It's it. You know, we talk about this a lot 1178 01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.680 on the show. It's cultural Marxism. And they want to 1179 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:49.600 pick the whatever David it is that they're supposedly going 1180 01:15:49.680 --> 01:15:52.239 to be helping. They get all ginned up about these things. 1181 01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:54.560 They want rules and regulations from the top down. In 1182 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:56.359 this case, we'll see in a minute as the Stoker 1183 01:15:56.399 --> 01:16:00.479 Awards panel and the Horror Writers Association club starts to 1184 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.279 circle their wagons to make sure that people who are 1185 01:16:03.279 --> 01:16:06.000 actually just interested in merit are pushed out and they 1186 01:16:06.039 --> 01:16:08.880 can virtue signal. But that's what they start to do. 1187 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.520 It's all postmodernist cultural Marxism. You got to pick the 1188 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:16.239 you know, minority group of this or that or whatever. 1189 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:18.960 And as iin Ran said, the smallest minority in the 1190 01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:20.319 world is the individual. 1191 01:16:20.880 --> 01:16:24.800 Yeah, that's that, and that's the and that's the perfect minority. 1192 01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:29.479 Yeah right, So tell us Tom, let's take a look 1193 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:32.279 for well, before we go into the press, Borderlands Press. 1194 01:16:32.279 --> 01:16:34.680 I'm gonna say the name first so people remember it 1195 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.199 won't show it on the screen quite yet. Here in 1196 01:16:37.239 --> 01:16:40.720 the David Knight Show, our guest is Tom Montalioni. He 1197 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:43.880 is a writer of his own stature. Look for his 1198 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:47.880 novels out there. Check them out, especially the digital versions. 1199 01:16:48.079 --> 01:16:50.479 Go to Borderlands Press. We'll show you the website in 1200 01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:52.479 the second. And I don't want to sound like it's 1201 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:53.720 too much, you know, I don't want to be like 1202 01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:56.079 promoting the site all that much or whatever. Tom, But 1203 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:58.319 it's great. It's a super cool site and there's great 1204 01:16:58.319 --> 01:17:02.159 stuff there. But before we do that, Tom with people 1205 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.359 with loaded with that information, let's talk about what happened 1206 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:11.159 a few years after Borderland six, because and again there 1207 01:17:11.399 --> 01:17:14.159 I found out about this later as I saw your 1208 01:17:14.239 --> 01:17:16.319 name was actually trending on Twitter, and I was like, 1209 01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:20.439 what's going on? What is this? And what a lot 1210 01:17:20.439 --> 01:17:24.840 of people did not know was that as this controversy 1211 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:29.439 bubbled up, you got your hands on a document that 1212 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:35.119 comes from inside the Horror Writers Association, which issues the 1213 01:17:35.119 --> 01:17:39.319 Bram Stoker Awards. You have gotten the Lifetime Achievement Awards, 1214 01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:44.239 and they approached people for the next nominations for the 1215 01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:49.199 Lifetime Achievement Awards, and you started a brush fire because 1216 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.680 you and and if people know you're writing from your 1217 01:17:51.680 --> 01:17:55.720 mafia columns from Cemetery Dance, they know the way you speak, they. 1218 01:17:56.039 --> 01:17:58.199 Know I don't take any prisoners, man. 1219 01:17:58.399 --> 01:17:59.159 I try. 1220 01:17:59.479 --> 01:18:03.000 I try to just look at the situation and comment 1221 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:06.199 on it as I perceive it to be the truth. 1222 01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:12.840 And I've written a column for forty some years doing that, 1223 01:18:13.279 --> 01:18:16.479 and it should be no surprise to anybody, you know. 1224 01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:24.000 I don't I don't suffer idiots or untruth and so 1225 01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:29.600 I snarkily. I was I was had been watching the 1226 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:35.199 HWA was a Hard Writers Association, which was I was 1227 01:18:35.239 --> 01:18:40.359 actually part of its founding membership. I was a MC 1228 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:45.000 of their very first Stoker Awards. I've been I was 1229 01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:49.319 part of that organization from you know, the beginning. And 1230 01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:53.880 I noticed that over I had won the award in 1231 01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:57.319 twenty seventeen, and and the award is supposed to be 1232 01:18:57.399 --> 01:19:03.720 for individuals who have contributed to the hard dark fantasy 1233 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:11.840 genre and have made significant contributions to its the genre 1234 01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:15.640 as a whole. Well, I think they gave it to 1235 01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:20.359 me because I had edited an anthology series for thirty 1236 01:19:20.439 --> 01:19:23.960 years that won a lot of awards. I ran a 1237 01:19:24.359 --> 01:19:29.600 writer's boot camp for twenty years and had eighty percent 1238 01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:32.079 of my people that came through the boot camp ended 1239 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:36.479 up getting published. I won six Bram Stoker Awards for 1240 01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:42.159 in four different categories. And you know, and I'd written 1241 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:46.880 you know, thirty some books, so you know, I had 1242 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:52.800 I had paid my dues, I had put my nuts 1243 01:19:52.800 --> 01:19:58.760 on the table and handed out hammers. Again, I'd been there. 1244 01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:02.960 I did it, and they rewarded me for Then I 1245 01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:06.159 started seeing they were starting to give the award over 1246 01:20:06.159 --> 01:20:10.840 the next three or four years to people that I 1247 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:15.760 knew and liked as people, but I didn't perceive them 1248 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:21.640 to have made these significant historical contributions to the genre. 1249 01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:27.000 And one of the reasons I noticed was that they 1250 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:34.960 were what has become the catchword marginalized people. And I thought, 1251 01:20:35.479 --> 01:20:39.359 this is crap, you know. And I noticed that h 1252 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.319 w A when they would send out their newsletter every 1253 01:20:42.359 --> 01:20:45.479 six weeks or so, they're starting all of a sudden, 1254 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:51.720 there's these pronunciamentos about, you know, backing Pride Month, backing 1255 01:20:52.119 --> 01:20:56.439 Black Lives Matter, backing you know, the flavor of the month. 1256 01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:00.000 And I'm thinking, you can't speak for all of us. 1257 01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:04.079 You didn't pull us. Did you ask us if you 1258 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:10.039 wanted h w A t to be a standard bearer 1259 01:21:10.159 --> 01:21:14.079 for Black Lives Matter? No, you did not, And you 1260 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:16.039 know you did you check it with us or how 1261 01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:17.560 we feel about Pride Month? 1262 01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:18.960 Right? You didn't. 1263 01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:22.520 So the people that were running the organization were just 1264 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:29.560 running roughshot with these uh uh what do you call them, 1265 01:21:29.880 --> 01:21:33.479 you know, backups and backing these these things. 1266 01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:35.319 And I think, I don't. 1267 01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:39.039 I don't like this. We're starting to tilt left and 1268 01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.880 we're a writer's organization. We shouldn't be getting into this 1269 01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:42.840 political crap. 1270 01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:46.359 Absolutely, yeah, and I can see it coming to They're 1271 01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:48.039 like always award. 1272 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:52.560 I told several people, I said, look, uh, the only 1273 01:21:52.880 --> 01:21:56.600 color I'm interested in is black type on white paper. 1274 01:21:57.319 --> 01:22:00.239 Other than that, I got, I got no no use 1275 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:05.359 for any of it. Not because I'm a conservative idiot. 1276 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:12.119 It's because I'm trying to be objective about what I do, 1277 01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:15.520 what my career has been. So look, so here's what 1278 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:19.560 I did. I send a letter in to the h 1279 01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:22.520 w A because they would they would say, we invite 1280 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:25.239 you to nominate people for the Lifetime Achievement Award. 1281 01:22:26.079 --> 01:22:29.279 You're the privilege as a winner, you get to nominate 1282 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:31.319 anybody does. 1283 01:22:31.359 --> 01:22:34.720 Actually, but I had actually served on a prior committee 1284 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:39.039 to select Lifetime Achievement people. So you know, I had 1285 01:22:39.079 --> 01:22:42.279 some cred and I had some knowledge, and I so 1286 01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.159 I write, I write a letter and it was a 1287 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:51.000 little snarky, and I said, you know, despite my feeling 1288 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:57.119 that we've been leaning into the DEI and of selecting 1289 01:22:57.680 --> 01:23:01.479 Lifetime Achievement awards, I said, I'm compelled. And I said, 1290 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:05.119 this kind of funny because it's like my column I said, 1291 01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:09.000 I'm compelled to nominate a smart, old white. 1292 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:11.399 Guy, right right, and it. 1293 01:23:11.279 --> 01:23:15.119 Was it was Stuart Shift. And Stuart Shift, if people 1294 01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:17.520 don't know him, he was the editor of a little 1295 01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:21.079 magazine in the early seventies called Whispers. And this was 1296 01:23:21.159 --> 01:23:27.000 before Stephen King, you know, rewrote the horror genre and 1297 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:32.840 made it a crazy, legitimate moneymaker. Yeah, you know, Stu 1298 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:36.680 was keeping this little fire burning like out of a 1299 01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:42.720 Jack London story, under a tree, dropping tons of ice 1300 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:45.920 on it. He kept the fire burning for horror, for 1301 01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:50.479 horror fiction. Nobody was publishing horror fiction, hardly anybody was 1302 01:23:50.520 --> 01:23:55.479 writing it. But Stu was dedicated to this little magazine 1303 01:23:55.520 --> 01:23:59.119 called Whispers, and he published an incredible number of people 1304 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:07.119 like Carl Robert Block, Jack Cody, Ramsey Campbell. I mean 1305 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:13.760 he published all these guys, Dennis Atchison, back when nobody 1306 01:24:14.359 --> 01:24:20.640 was publishing or reading these guys. Stew Shift was he 1307 01:24:20.640 --> 01:24:24.720 He kept her alive until King came along, and you know, 1308 01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:28.479 sent it on fire and I said, this guy, he 1309 01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:31.319 was a you guy. A lot of people don't even 1310 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:35.319 know who he is, but he deserves some recognition. Well, 1311 01:24:36.720 --> 01:24:39.439 I sent the letter in and I noticed that after 1312 01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:42.319 a week or two. It never showed up on the 1313 01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:47.239 HWA website as where they would post all the nominations 1314 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:51.920 for the award. So I said, I sent a note 1315 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.119 into the guy that was running it. I can't remember 1316 01:24:54.119 --> 01:24:58.439 his name, and he said, no, we we didn't find 1317 01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:02.680 your letter appropriate, right, that's why we didn't post it. 1318 01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:07.079 I said, Okay, screw it. So I posted it on 1319 01:25:07.479 --> 01:25:11.760 my own Facebook page. I put it up there, and 1320 01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:16.199 it was a sort of firestorm. I had. Yeah, the 1321 01:25:16.319 --> 01:25:20.319 usual fifty to fifty fifty percent of people said good 1322 01:25:20.399 --> 01:25:24.479 idea great grat to hear it. The other fifty percent said, 1323 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:28.680 you're a racist, the transphobe. Yeah, you're the usual litany 1324 01:25:28.720 --> 01:25:29.159 of craft. 1325 01:25:29.239 --> 01:25:30.640 Yeah, of course, of course. 1326 01:25:30.960 --> 01:25:38.279 And they hated me, and I was accused of I 1327 01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:48.119 was accused of violating the HWA harassment code, and I'm thinking, well, 1328 01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:51.960 I've never seen that code, and nobody could show it 1329 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:58.359 to me. So it was a kind of this ethereal violation, 1330 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:04.199 and they got really upset with me. And I'd bantered 1331 01:26:04.239 --> 01:26:06.800 back and forth a few times, and then that night 1332 01:26:07.840 --> 01:26:10.000 this is where I went off the rails, and I 1333 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:15.479 admit it. This podcast guy called me and he said, 1334 01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:18.000 would you like to go on. Well, you know, it 1335 01:26:18.079 --> 01:26:20.680 had been a long day. I was pissed off at 1336 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:24.239 all these people that are attacking me. I've had a 1337 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:28.920 couple of bourbons. I went on the podcast and I 1338 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:33.039 said a lot some dumb stuff, right, that was not 1339 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:38.720 harassment by any means. But you know, I accused them 1340 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:43.159 of giving the award to owl going Back because he 1341 01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:46.079 was in he claims he was an Indian, which, by 1342 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:50.319 the way, a tribal council has discovered that he's not 1343 01:26:50.439 --> 01:26:55.600 an Indian, that he's actually from His family is from Germany, Oh. 1344 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:56.880 Related to Liz Warren. 1345 01:26:57.560 --> 01:27:00.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got that Liz orangeean. 1346 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:01.039 Right. 1347 01:27:02.359 --> 01:27:04.880 But but but they gave one to al going Back. 1348 01:27:04.960 --> 01:27:09.720 They gave one to a black poet, Okay, who's who's 1349 01:27:09.760 --> 01:27:14.600 a consummate wonderful person. But she's published like two volumes 1350 01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:19.239 of poetry right now, horror poetry. But she she got it. 1351 01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:26.319 They gave it to a gay guy, and then they 1352 01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:30.880 gave it to a woman. Her name is Carol Clover. 1353 01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:32.600 You know, have you ever heard of her? 1354 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:33.560 No? 1355 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:36.359 No, she got a she got a Bram Stoker Award, 1356 01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:41.880 a Lifetime Achievement Award because she wrote an academic feminist 1357 01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:46.239 treatise uh called The Final Girl. 1358 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.319 And it was essentially, oh you're I'm sorry. I thought 1359 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:53.000 you were talking about Carol Clover, who for years has 1360 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:57.199 written a lot of really influential horror stuff and actually 1361 01:27:57.239 --> 01:27:59.520 deserved the award. I mean, we must be talking two 1362 01:27:59.560 --> 01:28:00.319 different peop people. 1363 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:09.880 Yet. Yeah, she wrote one one piece, wow, examining the 1364 01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:14.119 slasher films, how there's always a girl that survives, and 1365 01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:21.439 it was kind of this feminist examination of the hard 1366 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:22.439 film genre. 1367 01:28:23.239 --> 01:28:27.039 That's it, great English essay. 1368 01:28:27.800 --> 01:28:31.680 Yeah, they gave her. They gave her a Brand Stoker Award. 1369 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.479 Life Lifetime Achievement. 1370 01:28:33.640 --> 01:28:33.920 Wow. 1371 01:28:34.319 --> 01:28:37.640 Oh man what I called him. 1372 01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:39.359 Out and I said, this is this is bull crap. 1373 01:28:39.479 --> 01:28:42.119 I mean, this is are you kidding me? You're going 1374 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.840 to compare what this lady did to what Stewart shifted 1375 01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:49.960 for ten years, you know, keeping a little cheesy fire 1376 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:54.319 horror fire going with his magazine. I said, you gotta 1377 01:28:54.359 --> 01:28:54.960 be kidding me. 1378 01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.039 And you talked about that on that podcast and that 1379 01:28:58.039 --> 01:29:00.640 that got oh oh. 1380 01:29:00.560 --> 01:29:03.079 Yeah, And then I said the other person they gave 1381 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:06.119 it to was someone named Jewel. Oh god, I can't 1382 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:09.720 remember her name, but anyway, she's known for writing lesbian, 1383 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:15.560 black lesbian vampire novels. That's what she does, right, that 1384 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:20.760 nobody reads other than I think, you know, people that 1385 01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:25.359 are partial to you know, black lesbians, I. 1386 01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.039 Think, but it's important. 1387 01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:29.760 I mean, I don't know who's reading this stuff. 1388 01:29:30.479 --> 01:29:32.600 It's it's but you got to promote it because it 1389 01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:34.880 just shows you care, you care. 1390 01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:40.399 And then they gave one to a lady who I suspect, 1391 01:29:40.439 --> 01:29:44.279 I sus submit no one's ever read. But she's known 1392 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:50.159 as the African Queen of Horror, and you'd have to 1393 01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:51.000 look up her name. 1394 01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:54.319 Who they mean, like the boat with the Humphrey Bogart. 1395 01:29:53.880 --> 01:30:00.319 Movie, the African Queen. Yeah, it's like, uh no, nobody's 1396 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.279 ever heard of her. But she got it. She got 1397 01:30:02.279 --> 01:30:06.279 a Brand Stoker Award Lifetime achievement. So they weren't even 1398 01:30:06.479 --> 01:30:09.319 you know, what the problem was, Gardener, They weren't even 1399 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:14.159 trying to hide it. And and they were shocked that 1400 01:30:14.159 --> 01:30:18.720 that somebody like me, who's a you know, pretty outsmoking mook, 1401 01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:23.159 called him out on it. And they hated it. They 1402 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:29.119 freaking hated the fact that I had that con to 1403 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:34.520 call him out, you know what I'm saying. I And 1404 01:30:34.560 --> 01:30:37.319 they went after me big time, and they decided that 1405 01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:42.399 I was going to be banned from their hw A. 1406 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:45.680 So they literally ban you. 1407 01:30:47.840 --> 01:30:51.640 I can't show up at any other events anymore. They 1408 01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:54.560 couldn't take away all the awards that I've won. But 1409 01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:59.640 they have said that I'm totally disenfranchised. And they had 1410 01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.720 a they had the Daily Beast call me and and 1411 01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:07.279 did an article, you know, showing everybody what a transphobic, 1412 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:13.720 a racist ian. It was incredible, unbelievable, absolutely incredible. 1413 01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:18.039 Incredible, incredible and none of that. And you're simply standing 1414 01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:21.720 up for the standards that promoted you and others like 1415 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:26.159 f Paul Wilson and others to get awards. People people 1416 01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:31.079 like Dallas Mayer, people are like uh, Eric Glennard, who 1417 01:31:31.159 --> 01:31:34.359 have won these awards and done very well because of 1418 01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:41.840 the quality of their work. And yeah, yeah, and and 1419 01:31:41.840 --> 01:31:43.920 and the thing that you know, I saw it blowing 1420 01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.159 up after the fact, I didn't know what was going 1421 01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:49.840 on because all these people heard what you had to say, 1422 01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:54.840 and and yet what you were actually saying they were doing. 1423 01:31:55.439 --> 01:31:59.960 You actually got in your hands, somebody gave you actually 1424 01:32:00.239 --> 01:32:03.880 confirmation of exactly what you accuse them of doing. 1425 01:32:03.920 --> 01:32:08.359 They actually yeah, one of our one of our longtime 1426 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:12.119 customers at Borderlance Press. She sent me a note and 1427 01:32:12.159 --> 01:32:16.680 she said, I want to share this with you. I 1428 01:32:17.239 --> 01:32:20.439 sent in a letter to nominate. I think it's the 1429 01:32:20.479 --> 01:32:22.800 two people that she did that. They were both white guys. 1430 01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.840 I nominated them and I sent I got a letter 1431 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:32.039 back from the chairman of the Lifetime Achievement Committee and 1432 01:32:32.119 --> 01:32:34.439 she and I have a copy of it. It said, 1433 01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:41.279 thank you very much for your nomination of these two writers. However, 1434 01:32:42.159 --> 01:32:49.079 we feel that it's time that we emphasize, you know, 1435 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:54.399 marginalized writers above you know, smart white guys. 1436 01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:57.800 So I want to pausit there everybody, and just bring 1437 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.640 myself back in just briefly here just to let you know, 1438 01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:06.199 I would like to show you this document that Tom 1439 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:09.079 forwarded to me. It's a PDF. I'm gonna blow this 1440 01:33:09.239 --> 01:33:12.239 up for you because this is on record now and 1441 01:33:12.319 --> 01:33:15.720 you can see it here. It is from twenty twenty 1442 01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:19.039 December twenty twenty twenty. Dear so and So, always a 1443 01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.039 pleasure to hear from you. I hope this email finds 1444 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:26.840 you well, safe and healthy at holiday time. Thank you 1445 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:30.399 for your nominees. They have been added to the list 1446 01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:34.159 in the interest of full disclosure. Given that only six 1447 01:33:34.239 --> 01:33:37.399 of the fifty four Lifetime Achievement Awards have been awarded 1448 01:33:37.399 --> 01:33:43.439 to women, I have asked the committee to prioritize female nominees, 1449 01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:49.159 although all nominees will be considered, including your three fine ones. 1450 01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:53.239 Thank you for your participation in making as deep and 1451 01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:58.239 diverse a pool from which to select as possible. It 1452 01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:04.159 is a pre she ated. So Tom has the goods. 1453 01:34:05.479 --> 01:34:11.920 He knew they were doing it, and he has the goods, 1454 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.279 and he sent them to me. Let's get back. 1455 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.399 He said it out loud to her, He told her 1456 01:34:19.720 --> 01:34:21.000 what their agenda was. 1457 01:34:22.520 --> 01:34:26.920 I and you have sent me a copy of it. 1458 01:34:26.960 --> 01:34:29.359 I'll see. And you know we're recording this the night 1459 01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:31.000 before the show, so i'll see if I can call 1460 01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.600 it up and put it out there. Yeah, and uh, 1461 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:37.119 and I'll show it to people and on it. 1462 01:34:37.239 --> 01:34:39.359 And then they got so kissed off at me that 1463 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:40.279 they threw me out. 1464 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:44.119 Now, literally, Tom, I just have to say, if you 1465 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:47.279 wanted to they they're telling you you can't even go 1466 01:34:47.359 --> 01:34:52.039 to their conventions. You've been ostracized from so many things. 1467 01:34:52.600 --> 01:34:55.319 And they wanted to take your Stoker Awards back, didn't they. 1468 01:34:55.920 --> 01:34:59.279 Yeah, But they can't do that they there's obviously there 1469 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:02.039 is something in the bylaws it doesn't allow them to 1470 01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:04.239 do it. Otherwise they would have tried to do it. 1471 01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:07.159 But you know what, I got them on my friggin' shelf. Yeah, 1472 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:08.760 come on in and try to take them. 1473 01:35:08.880 --> 01:35:10.640 Yeah right, exactly exactly. 1474 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:14.479 Yeah, yeah, you know what passed my NRA sticker, and 1475 01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:16.279 come try to take them all. 1476 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:19.479 Right, exactly exactly, Come and take it right. You know, 1477 01:35:19.600 --> 01:35:21.960 you should make up you should make up T shirts 1478 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:25.079 for Tom MONTALIONI supporters. You could sell them at Borderlands 1479 01:35:25.079 --> 01:35:27.960 Press with a picture of the Stoker and a gun 1480 01:35:28.000 --> 01:35:32.359 that says come and take them right. Yeah. That would 1481 01:35:32.359 --> 01:35:35.319 be classic and like a silhouette of you on the 1482 01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:37.359 back holding one in each hand, you know, like. 1483 01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:41.520 Ah, And you know it's into one thing that I 1484 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:47.399 regret because I had been drinking at the last Stoker 1485 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.439 Awards I went to with Paul, which was Paul Wilson. 1486 01:35:51.199 --> 01:35:55.199 It was in Denver in twenty twenty one, I think 1487 01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:59.880 or twenty two, and Paul and I when we left, 1488 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:02.119 we said, wow, they should change the name of the 1489 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:07.039 Stoker Bank the Soaker Con to Woker Con because they 1490 01:36:06.760 --> 01:36:13.079 they almost half of the panel events and discussions and 1491 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:19.399 programming had to do with this identarian you know, political 1492 01:36:19.479 --> 01:36:23.840 crap about you know how people of color, writers of this, 1493 01:36:24.239 --> 01:36:27.119 editors of that. Oh, and they also had the editor, 1494 01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:30.680 the new editor at that time of the Magazine of 1495 01:36:30.680 --> 01:36:34.399 Fantasy and Science Fiction, a woman named Scherie something. 1496 01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:36.800 Oh, they have had such problems. 1497 01:36:37.000 --> 01:36:41.239 Oh my god. The magazine is dead. She killed it. 1498 01:36:41.840 --> 01:36:46.279 She came in and it had been a monthly or 1499 01:36:46.319 --> 01:36:50.720 a bi monthly for fifty friggin years. She came in 1500 01:36:50.760 --> 01:36:54.520 as the editor, and it didn't add one episode one 1501 01:36:54.560 --> 01:36:58.920 issue this year, and then they were supposed to bring 1502 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:02.920 one out in the fall, called the Autumn Issue or something. 1503 01:37:03.800 --> 01:37:12.680 But she, ye, it's pretty much dead. She was there 1504 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:18.640 with this entourage of p o c s. Right, and 1505 01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:21.880 and they they did all these panels. Oh my god, 1506 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:26.720 you know, so wonderful. And I at at the at 1507 01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:33.159 the awards at session they had they gave the Volunteer 1508 01:37:33.359 --> 01:37:35.880 of Award of the Year award, which they give out 1509 01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:40.560 to somebody every year that did selflessly serve the organization. 1510 01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:45.239 So they give it to this this lady. I'm not 1511 01:37:45.239 --> 01:37:47.680 going to mention her name. I've already done it publicly. 1512 01:37:49.399 --> 01:37:54.800 She goes up there and she accepts the award, and 1513 01:37:54.880 --> 01:37:57.560 instead of just saying thank you, while it's great working 1514 01:37:57.600 --> 01:38:02.119 with you guys, you know, have a nice day, she 1515 01:38:02.399 --> 01:38:08.119 references a blog that she apparently does, which I had 1516 01:38:08.159 --> 01:38:13.760 never heard of. But the blog is called Stoker So White. 1517 01:38:15.159 --> 01:38:20.039 That's what it's called, right, and it's all about you know, 1518 01:38:20.359 --> 01:38:24.399 how awful the history of the of the organization is 1519 01:38:24.439 --> 01:38:27.920 because it's always been concerned with white people. 1520 01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:29.039 Right. 1521 01:38:30.039 --> 01:38:34.800 So but but but yay, you know what, that's not racist, 1522 01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:39.399 is it? I am I don't know, Maybe I'm just 1523 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.600 a dope, But I mean I'm sitting there listening to 1524 01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:46.279 this and I thought, are you kidding me? This is 1525 01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:47.439 your acceptance speech? 1526 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.560 Right, yeah, but you use. 1527 01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:54.880 This platform too to pander this crap. 1528 01:38:56.439 --> 01:39:00.199 Because you're denigrating the people who just gave you this award. Yeah, 1529 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.720 you obviously think nothing of this award if you think 1530 01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:05.800 that it comes from a legacy of white dominance and hate. 1531 01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. But anyway, I sat there 1532 01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:13.159 and I went, oh my god. Anyway, so I mentioned 1533 01:39:13.199 --> 01:39:18.760 this on the podcast that I appeared on. Wow, well 1534 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:23.199 alcohol was involved, yes, yes, And I refer to her 1535 01:39:25.399 --> 01:39:27.319 as a fat black chick. 1536 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:32.319 Okay now, and and just again again just to let 1537 01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:35.720 people know you use like a lot of old jazz lingo. 1538 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:38.399 You know you used that. Yeah. 1539 01:39:38.439 --> 01:39:43.359 Well I two weeks later I saw the the Grammy 1540 01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:49.479 Awards and some guy introduced Lizzo as a smoking black, 1541 01:39:50.199 --> 01:39:55.800 fat fat, smoking fat black chick, and everybody cheered, right, yeah, 1542 01:39:58.479 --> 01:40:02.600 there was this ambulatory bag of suet, you know, right 1543 01:40:03.560 --> 01:40:08.359 that that happens to be able to sing. But it's like, okay, 1544 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:11.920 it was okay for him because he added the word 1545 01:40:12.279 --> 01:40:18.479 smoking the right to what I said. Now, you know, okay, 1546 01:40:18.600 --> 01:40:21.680 I shouldn't have said that. I should have said, you know, 1547 01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:29.960 she was a plus sized African American, you know, binary. 1548 01:40:30.119 --> 01:40:34.319 And then and then have to explain why you think that, 1549 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.840 you know, that seems to be emblematic of past behaviors 1550 01:40:38.880 --> 01:40:39.840 from the stoker. 1551 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:43.439 That's the other thing in her bio, she says that 1552 01:40:43.560 --> 01:40:48.680 she's her pronouns are they? Then, well, that was the 1553 01:40:48.720 --> 01:40:52.000 other thing that I did on the Facebook. I said, look, 1554 01:40:52.399 --> 01:40:55.479 I'll call you anything you want. You want to identify 1555 01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:58.960 as a kitchen table, as a gerbil, as a guy, 1556 01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:04.600 a girl. That's fine. I'm really okay with that. But 1557 01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:08.279 you know what, I'm not calling a single person they 1558 01:41:08.640 --> 01:41:09.359 or them. 1559 01:41:09.600 --> 01:41:10.960 Yeah, I'm just not doing it. 1560 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:14.399 Yeah, because it flies in the face of not only 1561 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:20.439 logic and grammar, but you're trying to bully me into 1562 01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:25.039 buying into your delusion. Sorry. Yeah, And you know you're 1563 01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:28.600 not a plural entity. You are a single person. You 1564 01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:35.439 want me to call you zay, zim, dumb dim, that's fine, 1565 01:41:36.439 --> 01:41:38.319 But I ain't gonna be theying them. 1566 01:41:38.640 --> 01:41:41.479 I know. I had that conversation. Maybe I spoke about this. 1567 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:43.760 I had this conversation with one of my students and 1568 01:41:43.800 --> 01:41:46.760 she was just adamant at first. She said, no, you 1569 01:41:46.800 --> 01:41:49.600 can use the plural pronouns. Like, here's an idea. You 1570 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:52.079 work in an emergency room. You're getting a call from 1571 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:54.479 the ambulance. You got to prepare a bed because somebody's 1572 01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:58.039 coming in bleeding out. If they use the term they 1573 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.000 from inside the ambulance, how many beds you're going to 1574 01:42:01.079 --> 01:42:03.600 set up? You want to know is it one person? 1575 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:06.239 Is it male? Is it female? When you hear that 1576 01:42:06.319 --> 01:42:08.880 the police have arrested somebody, and I've literally heard this 1577 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:11.439 on the wm R t V out of Manchester, they 1578 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.760 said gost Town there was a fire and arsonist suspect 1579 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:17.920 that they had apprehended. They said it because they didn't 1580 01:42:17.920 --> 01:42:19.600 want to mention whether there was male or female. They 1581 01:42:19.600 --> 01:42:23.119 said they will be arraigned on Tuesday, and I said, 1582 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:25.159 so they've arrested more than one or one? 1583 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:27.920 Yeah, right, I mean. 1584 01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:30.439 It's just so it flies in the face of it 1585 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:34.640 utterly flies in the face of logic. It's so obviously 1586 01:42:35.319 --> 01:42:40.039 and offensively stupid that people do that, and they continue 1587 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:43.399 to do it because they're uncomfortable. It's just so dumb, 1588 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:47.239 so obviously that really inflamed people bringing that up and. 1589 01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:52.800 Using that that Yeah, that branded me as a transphobe. 1590 01:42:53.279 --> 01:42:55.520 Oh Jesus, can you. 1591 01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:58.760 What does transphobe mean? Means that you fear people who 1592 01:42:58.840 --> 01:43:02.359 believed that their chances transgendered. I don't fear them in 1593 01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:05.640 the least, right, I actually feel very sorry for them 1594 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:11.840 because I think that they're they're suffering from serious psychological problems. Yeah, 1595 01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:15.159 I certainly don't. I certainly don't fear them. Yeah, but 1596 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:20.359 the whole idea of insisting that we buy into their delusion, 1597 01:43:20.640 --> 01:43:23.119 that's bullying, okay. 1598 01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:23.359 And that's it. 1599 01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:27.199 Yeah, they're so they're so anti bullying, you know, it's 1600 01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:30.119 so terrible a bully anybody, but but we can bully 1601 01:43:30.199 --> 01:43:32.680 you no problem. 1602 01:43:32.920 --> 01:43:36.399 And it comes from such a source of a lack 1603 01:43:36.439 --> 01:43:38.680 of information too. You know. I think I mentioned to 1604 01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:41.039 you when they had the free speech rally in Boston 1605 01:43:41.680 --> 01:43:45.680 and a number of the writers in around the Boston area, 1606 01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:48.760 whom you and I know who go down to Camp 1607 01:43:48.880 --> 01:43:52.680 Ncon in order, Yeah we know, right, yeah, you know, 1608 01:43:52.760 --> 01:43:55.039 they were communicating with each other about how proud they 1609 01:43:55.039 --> 01:43:56.840 were that they were going to go and protest this 1610 01:43:57.000 --> 01:43:59.439 rally that was going on, this hate filled rally around 1611 01:43:59.439 --> 01:44:01.840 when it was a two twenty seventeen or something twenty eighteen, 1612 01:44:02.079 --> 01:44:03.920 And I said, do you even know who organized that? 1613 01:44:04.079 --> 01:44:07.800 An Indian guy, a dude who's married to a Filipino woman. 1614 01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:09.800 They're like all these racists and all this stuff. I 1615 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:13.319 was like, it's about free speech. You are a writer, 1616 01:44:14.119 --> 01:44:17.000 do you get it? And they're literally on the train 1617 01:44:17.119 --> 01:44:19.319 posting on Facebook, We're on the train now we're going 1618 01:44:19.359 --> 01:44:21.880 to go down And they went there and at the 1619 01:44:21.920 --> 01:44:24.640 same time, Tom the mayor of Boston and the governor 1620 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:27.439 of the state of Massachusetts held a press conference the 1621 01:44:27.520 --> 01:44:29.800 day before that event, and they said, we don't even 1622 01:44:29.840 --> 01:44:33.159 know we don't know who these people are, but their 1623 01:44:33.159 --> 01:44:36.720 hate is not welcome here. So I'm watching, God, yeah, 1624 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:41.520 I'm watching the stream of WBZ in Boston covering these 1625 01:44:41.640 --> 01:44:47.600 two fatuous politicians, Marty Walsh and whoever the governor was there? 1626 01:44:49.039 --> 01:44:53.920 The guy that Joe Biden called, who is the Birdland 1627 01:44:54.319 --> 01:45:00.319 Jazz sax saxophone a sax player, Charlie Parker. So Charlie Baker, Yeah, 1628 01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.079 it was Charlie Baker and Marty Walsh, and they're up 1629 01:45:03.119 --> 01:45:05.680 there and they're like, yeah, we don't so I think 1630 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.119 it was. Marty Waller says, no, it was. Charlie Baker said, 1631 01:45:08.159 --> 01:45:09.960 we don't know, we don't even know who these people are, 1632 01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.479 but they're hate is and welcome here. Not one reporter 1633 01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:15.439 in the audience said, excuse me, if you don't know 1634 01:45:15.479 --> 01:45:17.720 who these people are, how do you know they're full 1635 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:20.359 of hate? Like, how do you get that in your 1636 01:45:20.680 --> 01:45:22.239 uninformed Yeah it was. 1637 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:23.640 It was just it was. 1638 01:45:23.720 --> 01:45:27.000 Totally totally contrary to anybody who had any sense. And 1639 01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:29.359 then Marty Waller says, they don't even have a permit. 1640 01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:32.880 So I opened up another tab while the stream was 1641 01:45:32.960 --> 01:45:35.960 going on WBZ News, and I went to Facebook to 1642 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:40.880 that group's page and they had a photo of that 1643 01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:44.279 helment from two weeks to four and I'm sitting there, 1644 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:47.119 I was like, is anybody in the audience actually calling 1645 01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:50.000 this stuff up to check? Nobody checked it, and that 1646 01:45:50.159 --> 01:45:55.199 contributed to an atmosphere of absolute rancor and hatred that 1647 01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:57.960 these guys fed into coming down on the train. Are 1648 01:45:58.039 --> 01:46:00.600 writer friends who are so peace and love and all 1649 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:04.039 this stuff that literally people were throwing bottles filled with 1650 01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:08.119 urine and all sorts of stuff that these people who 1651 01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:11.600 just wanted to have a free speech rally and they're 1652 01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:13.880 calling them racist. I'm like, so, let me get this straight. 1653 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.439 The dude who's married to the Filipino girl is somehow 1654 01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:21.359 racist as is to hear from India, Like, it's totally ridiculous. 1655 01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:23.920 It was so stupid, and you know, and it's that 1656 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:26.520 they reinforce it. It's an echo chamber and that's what 1657 01:46:26.560 --> 01:46:30.520 the Bram Stoker Awards has become. It has become an 1658 01:46:30.520 --> 01:46:33.840 echo chamber from people who celebrated good writing. And I 1659 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:36.800 have to say, Tom, also, final final point that I'd 1660 01:46:36.840 --> 01:46:40.199 like to make is how you rose above this and 1661 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:44.880 you have seen people who didn't support and not that 1662 01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:49.439 they necessarily have to, but turned away who had business 1663 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:53.000 connections with you, who supported you, or did things that 1664 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:56.119 were associated with you, and they say, oh, you know, 1665 01:46:56.399 --> 01:46:59.720 it's like you're kryptonite. Can't even touch you. Not standing up, 1666 01:46:59.720 --> 01:47:02.039 whether it's for you as a friend or for the 1667 01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:06.279 principle the principle of what is going on. And some 1668 01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:09.680 people have stood up, which is really cool and well, 1669 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:11.279 I kind of liken. 1670 01:47:11.199 --> 01:47:16.520 It to kind of being at the Alamo, and you 1671 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:20.680 you know, you think you find out who your people, 1672 01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:23.800 who your real friends are, because a lot of people 1673 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:28.359 showed up with with me on on the ramparts when 1674 01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:33.720 they you know, the woke stopo attacked me. Yeah, and 1675 01:47:33.720 --> 01:47:36.319 and they they were they were. I found out who 1676 01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:39.039 my real friends were. I had people that I had 1677 01:47:39.239 --> 01:47:44.720 mentored through at the Borderlands Press boot camp and basically 1678 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:52.600 helped create their careers, toning their back on me and completely, 1679 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:55.520 and it really kind of shocked me. It was like 1680 01:47:55.560 --> 01:47:58.640 four or five writers that you know, I had really 1681 01:48:00.079 --> 01:48:04.159 end a lot of time helping to develop their their talent, 1682 01:48:04.279 --> 01:48:09.640 which they all had, and I encouraged them and I 1683 01:48:09.640 --> 01:48:11.359 I helped them in a lot of ways. 1684 01:48:11.600 --> 01:48:14.159 Oh I know, I know, I published them one. I'm 1685 01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:16.560 one of the guys that that you know, you mentored 1686 01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:21.359 me and Malcolm and uh yeah, and I had mentioned. 1687 01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:23.199 Them in these people's names, but you know who they. 1688 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:25.279 Are, sure absolutely, And I. 1689 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:31.239 Published their stories in my Borderland's anthologies. Now they don't 1690 01:48:31.279 --> 01:48:35.000 They won't even talk to me. And it's like a lep. 1691 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:38.640 Yeah. And you know, Tom, it's interesting on an intellectual 1692 01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:41.520 and also you know, just a just an emotional level 1693 01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:45.079 when you're with people at a boot camp like that 1694 01:48:45.159 --> 01:48:49.760 and you suddenly see the learning curve shooting up. Yes, 1695 01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:52.439 they get the tists from you. It's a life life 1696 01:48:52.560 --> 01:48:57.479 go on, absolutely, and and to to neglect that or 1697 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:01.800 or downplay it because you know, they're looking towards how 1698 01:49:01.840 --> 01:49:04.439 am I gonna shape my position for the future or 1699 01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:07.960 what what chess piece? You know what what you know 1700 01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:10.760 board movement on the board? Am I going to make here? 1701 01:49:10.840 --> 01:49:14.479 To continue being associated with these people, it's like, boyle boy, 1702 01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:17.560 I would not be making your decisions in life. 1703 01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:19.279 Boy that was terrible. 1704 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:19.880 I mean. 1705 01:49:20.079 --> 01:49:24.079 And several of the dealers that had been buying our 1706 01:49:24.399 --> 01:49:28.800 Borderlands Press books, you know, they shut us down, they said, 1707 01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:31.840 we don't want to carry your stuff anymore. And well, 1708 01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:38.840 you know, that's pretty that's pretty amazing. They actually actively 1709 01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:44.199 try to destroy us. They didn't. It didn't work, No, 1710 01:49:44.399 --> 01:49:48.279 and yeah, but it was really it's very disheartening to see. 1711 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:51.000 I noticed, and Tom, this is this is where we 1712 01:49:51.039 --> 01:49:54.359 sort of get to the positive outcome of this. You know, 1713 01:49:54.399 --> 01:49:59.760 we mentioned people like John Dela Rose and others. Yeah, yeah, 1714 01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:02.279 he's great, he's great. I want to communicate with him 1715 01:50:02.279 --> 01:50:04.439 over in Substack and bring him on as a guest 1716 01:50:04.439 --> 01:50:08.399 on my show sometimes. But what has arisen from this 1717 01:50:08.960 --> 01:50:13.079 has been a not a phoenix from the ashes in 1718 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:16.359 any way sort of a thing, but a new alignment 1719 01:50:17.039 --> 01:50:20.359 of people starting to rise to the ford. They didn't 1720 01:50:20.359 --> 01:50:22.880 get crushed, you didn't get crushed down, because there's this 1721 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:29.079 new realignment of people who still stand for quality, who 1722 01:50:29.119 --> 01:50:32.960 still stand for writing and common sense. And this is 1723 01:50:33.079 --> 01:50:35.359 why I think it's so valuable to have you on 1724 01:50:35.439 --> 01:50:38.960 David's show today and i'd like to talk about how 1725 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:43.960 you have kept this standard and Borderlands Press is available 1726 01:50:44.079 --> 01:50:46.600 and out there, and your writing is out there, and 1727 01:50:46.680 --> 01:50:49.760 now people are in touch with each other. The people 1728 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:53.319 who value good writing are starting to rise to the fore. 1729 01:50:53.800 --> 01:50:57.279 And I think it's maybe not a new renaissance, but 1730 01:50:57.399 --> 01:51:01.479 in a way, on a cultural and I quint emotional 1731 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:05.159 or soulful level, it is a renaissance in a way 1732 01:51:05.199 --> 01:51:09.560 because we've been able to have that those those trappings 1733 01:51:09.600 --> 01:51:13.720 burned away from us and we can stay true to truth, 1734 01:51:14.039 --> 01:51:17.359 which is great. So let's talk about the publishing company, 1735 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:17.920 if we know. 1736 01:51:18.000 --> 01:51:21.760 I think that's very important what you just said, because 1737 01:51:22.920 --> 01:51:25.840 when all this shit, this crap went down, I decided 1738 01:51:26.720 --> 01:51:29.479 I'm going to start a sub stack of you know, 1739 01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:34.279 of my non of my non fiction writing, this real 1740 01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:38.560 personal and you know, conversational a lot of fun and 1741 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:43.039 see you see who who responds. And you know, it's 1742 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:46.039 only been up for about thirty forty days and I've 1743 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:49.960 got like almost four hundred subscribers, and and I've got 1744 01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:54.920 a lot of people that had con pledged money to 1745 01:51:55.000 --> 01:51:57.760 actually subscribe, and I don't want to do that yet, 1746 01:51:58.079 --> 01:52:00.359 but yeah, I've got a lot of people people that 1747 01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:03.520 have signed on and said, I really like what you're doing. 1748 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:07.119 I'm really happy that you're doing this. And I just 1749 01:52:07.159 --> 01:52:10.319 did it as a as an almost a social experiment. 1750 01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:13.880 I wanted to find out if, if how many people 1751 01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:19.159 are out there that would value whatever I have to say, 1752 01:52:18.479 --> 01:52:23.399 and whether it's just entertaining or illuminating, or educational or 1753 01:52:23.439 --> 01:52:26.119 informative or you know, just a kick. 1754 01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:29.800 Well, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. 1755 01:52:29.520 --> 01:52:30.319 It's great. 1756 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.600 And every week I get new subscribers. 1757 01:52:33.159 --> 01:52:38.600 And if yeah, absolutely absolutely that the substack is a great, 1758 01:52:38.680 --> 01:52:42.000 great place. You know, they fight tooth and nail to 1759 01:52:42.039 --> 01:52:44.119 make sure that you have your stuff, and they're always 1760 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:46.479 coming up with new ways, new ideas. You can post 1761 01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:49.000 audio podcasts and do video clips if you want to. 1762 01:52:49.520 --> 01:52:52.880 It's really really nice. And as you say, there's ability 1763 01:52:52.920 --> 01:52:55.600 for people to subscribe without paying, or they can you know, 1764 01:52:55.680 --> 01:52:58.680 donate five bucks a month whatever levels. It's great. And 1765 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:00.840 the other thing too, Tom, that I really love is 1766 01:53:01.159 --> 01:53:04.079 you're writing for the Mafia column, which was in Cemetery Dance. 1767 01:53:04.520 --> 01:53:09.479 Was just a wonderful excursion into someone's ability to think 1768 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:14.079 and comment and be witty and the amazing artful prose 1769 01:53:14.159 --> 01:53:17.119 that you provide, you know, that to me is incredible. 1770 01:53:17.119 --> 01:53:19.920 I had a ball writing that column, and you know, 1771 01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:24.000 I collected the first fifty columns into an omnibus collection 1772 01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:27.279 and they gave me a Bram Stoker Award for Best 1773 01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:30.560 non Fiction. I mean, you know, and all of a sudden, 1774 01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:35.399 now the stuff that I wrote back then was racist 1775 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:41.119 and transphobic and you know, fascist, and you know, the 1776 01:53:41.239 --> 01:53:45.319 usual crap. And it's like, you guys know. 1777 01:53:45.239 --> 01:53:52.560 Who I am? Yeah, exactly, Yeah, it's really it to me. 1778 01:53:52.680 --> 01:53:55.840 It's also very sad too, because there are only two 1779 01:53:55.880 --> 01:53:58.840 options that I see, Tom. Either these people who've known 1780 01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:03.079 you for so long are so afraid themselves to stand 1781 01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:07.760 up for actual truth, actual quality, that they will let 1782 01:54:07.800 --> 01:54:11.800 themselves down and try to adopt the mantle of wokeism 1783 01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:15.840 and progressivism. And they're already progressives, but they literally know you, 1784 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:22.159 they know your work, you know, or they're that corrupt 1785 01:54:22.840 --> 01:54:26.560 that they will drop somebody like a hot potato if 1786 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:28.000 they think that it can stand. 1787 01:54:28.640 --> 01:54:31.960 It's not me, I just I just I just sent 1788 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:38.680 my last, my final collection of short fiction to the 1789 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:43.279 printer and it's like it's every it's all the stories 1790 01:54:43.319 --> 01:54:47.720 I've published since two thousand or so awesome. It's called 1791 01:54:47.760 --> 01:54:51.560 Memos from the Abyss And you know, I got a 1792 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:56.039 really great response from people. You know, it's it's going 1793 01:54:56.119 --> 01:55:02.680 to sell out. And I'm thinking this is very heartening 1794 01:55:02.760 --> 01:55:07.960 because you never know if the the progressive wave could 1795 01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:11.680 bury you could destroy you. I mean, because that's their 1796 01:55:12.199 --> 01:55:15.479 that's their agenda, that's their intention. They want to see 1797 01:55:15.560 --> 01:55:18.319 us go away. They want to they want to see 1798 01:55:18.359 --> 01:55:19.600 us be destroyed. 1799 01:55:20.159 --> 01:55:23.039 And at the same time, you see as these giant 1800 01:55:23.039 --> 01:55:27.600 corporations have to continue to downsize, you know, Disney, all 1801 01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:29.720 these different people are starting to see g you know, 1802 01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:33.199 it looks like the market isn't really big for oh, 1803 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.199 I don't know a lot of uh woke ideology in 1804 01:55:37.359 --> 01:55:40.520 kids shows or Didney's. 1805 01:55:40.560 --> 01:55:43.359 Disney has been taking it up the. 1806 01:55:43.000 --> 01:55:47.000 You know what, you've got it, got it hey. In fact, 1807 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:48.640 let me do this, let me do this, Tom, I 1808 01:55:48.640 --> 01:55:50.640 want to bring this up on the up on the screen. Here. 1809 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:53.159 This is the latest one memos from the abyss By. 1810 01:55:53.359 --> 01:55:56.279 Yeah, that's my last short story collection. 1811 01:55:56.680 --> 01:55:59.640 There you go. There it is. And if people want 1812 01:55:59.640 --> 01:56:02.840 to check out the website, let's talk about how as 1813 01:56:02.920 --> 01:56:06.119 we mentioned people like John Dela Rows, people like nerd Rodick. 1814 01:56:06.239 --> 01:56:09.600 I mean, they are really kickingnup steam. They're doing great. 1815 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:13.000 And Borderlands Press is right there for everybody to check out. 1816 01:56:13.239 --> 01:56:17.880 Let's talk about borderlandspress dot com right at the front. 1817 01:56:17.199 --> 01:56:21.199 We started thirty three years ago. We've been We've been 1818 01:56:21.239 --> 01:56:25.800 a small press for since nineteen eighty nine, so we 1819 01:56:25.880 --> 01:56:30.079 feel like we had the staying power to you know, 1820 01:56:30.479 --> 01:56:33.720 publish material that people wanted. You know, we did a 1821 01:56:33.800 --> 01:56:39.239 lot of limited signed editions. We've done Peter Stroud, We've 1822 01:56:39.239 --> 01:56:45.239 done Bradbury, We've done Paul Wilson, Blake Crouch, I mean, 1823 01:56:45.439 --> 01:56:50.079 you know, we've done Dean Koontz. We've done pretty much 1824 01:56:50.239 --> 01:56:55.319 anybody that people were interested in collecting and reading. Yeah, 1825 01:56:55.359 --> 01:56:55.840 that's Paul. 1826 01:56:56.439 --> 01:57:00.319 Paul's adversary stuff and amazing, amazing artwork. You know, it's 1827 01:57:00.359 --> 01:57:04.000 funny when you mentioned Paul. I have Aftershocks over here. 1828 01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:05.359 Great collection from him. 1829 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:08.239 Oh my god, fantastic, Yeah, what you know. 1830 01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:10.159 And and it's funny because, as you know, I have 1831 01:57:10.239 --> 01:57:12.960 relatives who are in Italy, and the Aftershocks story actually 1832 01:57:13.000 --> 01:57:17.680 brings the main characters to Italy and and Paul that's true. 1833 01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:21.680 Yeah, yeah, and you know he hadn't actually been there 1834 01:57:21.760 --> 01:57:22.840 when he wrote that. 1835 01:57:23.079 --> 01:57:23.800 Wow. 1836 01:57:24.319 --> 01:57:28.119 Wow, that's incredible. And then I've got this I just 1837 01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:30.479 want to show people from the olden days. 1838 01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:34.800 Oh my god, there is that's what writer. 1839 01:57:35.399 --> 01:57:39.479 Yeah, good stuff, good stuff from Tom and uh, great 1840 01:57:39.479 --> 01:57:42.479 great ideas in here with great characters that are that 1841 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.840 are so important and uh so let's talk a little bit. 1842 01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:49.439 If people want to go to Borderlands Press, let's discuss obviously, 1843 01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:54.159 uh your your collection is probably going to sell out soon. 1844 01:57:54.439 --> 01:57:58.359 Let's talk about that collection again, right there. Memos from 1845 01:57:58.399 --> 01:58:00.880 the abyss I'm telling you his short story are amazing. 1846 01:58:01.359 --> 01:58:03.960 And Tom, sometime, if we ever get the chance, I 1847 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:06.600 would love to read out loud that short story that 1848 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:08.880 you did of the guy writing the fan letters. 1849 01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:12.039 You know, oh love letters. 1850 01:58:12.279 --> 01:58:15.479 Yeah, yeah, love letters. That is such a great story. 1851 01:58:16.000 --> 01:58:17.760 Know in a way, I I know you and I 1852 01:58:17.840 --> 01:58:20.479 have spoken about this man before. But T. E. D. Kleine, 1853 01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:24.199 obviously editor of twilight Zone magazine, put the novella collection 1854 01:58:24.319 --> 01:58:26.960 together called Dark Gods and wrote the. 1855 01:58:26.960 --> 01:58:29.479 Ceremonies that just stopped writing. 1856 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:33.520 Yeah. Absolutely, One of my favorites. In fact, my favorite 1857 01:58:33.520 --> 01:58:35.880 by him is Nadelman's God, which is in the Dark 1858 01:58:35.920 --> 01:58:39.600 Gods collection, about this guy who, yes, yes he's a 1859 01:58:39.680 --> 01:58:42.359 he's a pr writer in New York. But in college 1860 01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:46.039 he had written a poem that some friends of his 1861 01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:49.680 were like rock producer this and this said remember that poem. 1862 01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:51.920 I've got a heavy metal band and they could probably 1863 01:58:52.000 --> 01:58:54.199 use that for lyrics. They turn it into a song 1864 01:58:54.520 --> 01:59:00.760 and it's about this yes, yes, he never says specifically. 1865 01:59:00.920 --> 01:59:05.439 It's about this evil rival God to God and it's 1866 01:59:05.600 --> 01:59:08.680 waiting for something to be able to emerge. It's just 1867 01:59:08.800 --> 01:59:11.560 toying with us. And when somebody does the dumb thing 1868 01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:15.520 and it turns out spoilers that it's this song which 1869 01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:18.600 is actually the descriptor of how you open the door 1870 01:59:18.680 --> 01:59:21.600 to this thing, and oh yeah, it was brilliant, right, 1871 01:59:21.680 --> 01:59:24.199 and he and I loved it because he tells the 1872 01:59:24.279 --> 01:59:28.279 story as this guy starts to get fan letters of 1873 01:59:28.359 --> 01:59:32.119 all things from a dude named huntuon out on Long Island, 1874 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:35.680 and Huntune is writing and saying, hey, man, you know 1875 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:38.680 your your poem. I know that the metal song based 1876 01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:41.680 it on this, and it's it's really telling the truth. 1877 01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:44.760 It's truthful. And he's like wow, and he wrote writing 1878 01:59:44.800 --> 01:59:46.319 back like, well, thanks a lot, and I don't know 1879 01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:47.960 what you're talking about, but you know the god, it 1880 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:49.960 was just made up. And then he writes back and 1881 01:59:49.960 --> 01:59:52.199 he's like, it's funny that you say there was just 1882 01:59:52.279 --> 01:59:54.479 made up. You don't know anything about any god because 1883 01:59:54.840 --> 01:59:57.359 the god says that he knows you. 1884 01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:04.720 Yes, oh yeah, that was Ted at his best. He 1885 02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:05.520 was so good. 1886 02:00:05.760 --> 02:00:11.039 Yes, so ceremonies which right, yeah, yeah, And I think 1887 02:00:11.119 --> 02:00:13.600 that was based on one of the novellas, the events 1888 02:00:13.600 --> 02:00:16.840 at Poro Farm, which is in the Dark Eyes. Yeah, 1889 02:00:16.880 --> 02:00:19.960 and it's all based around Connecticut stuff. In fact, Tom, 1890 02:00:20.000 --> 02:00:23.560 you might you might remember many years ago I had 1891 02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:25.439 a short story. I don't know if you read this one. 1892 02:00:25.479 --> 02:00:27.600 I think you might have. I had a short story 1893 02:00:27.680 --> 02:00:29.800 about a guy and a girl. Oh yeah, because I 1894 02:00:29.840 --> 02:00:32.399 sent her to the borderland thing. The short story about 1895 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:35.560 the girl and the guy in the convertible car in Connecticut, 1896 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:38.439 in the farmland and Connecticut course, right, and they end 1897 02:00:38.520 --> 02:00:42.000 up at that Darrylic farm stand right, yes, yeah. 1898 02:00:42.279 --> 02:00:47.279 And I remember you were describing the walk in freezer. 1899 02:00:47.319 --> 02:00:51.439 Yes, yes, because that's I actually worked in one, and we. 1900 02:00:51.840 --> 02:00:54.039 Were thinking that it was one of those things that 1901 02:00:54.079 --> 02:01:00.399 they carried to a cookout, like a little cool that 1902 02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:07.079 Carrie's beer cooler. What it was obviously a regional term. 1903 02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:10.000 Right as it was a colloquialism, and I didn't realize 1904 02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:15.720 that exactly exactly had to fix that, had to fix that, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1905 02:01:15.760 --> 02:01:18.840 So what was funny was I said it in Connecticut, 1906 02:01:19.199 --> 02:01:22.039 so that it would be close to Parl Farm. That's 1907 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:25.039 because that happened in Connecticut. So I tried to associate 1908 02:01:25.119 --> 02:01:28.239 it with, you know, something from that t Incline vibe. 1909 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:31.640 And because because in fact I should mention this, you 1910 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:33.439 probably are aware of this. When I was a kid, 1911 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:36.399 I used to send stories into Twilight Zone magazine when 1912 02:01:36.439 --> 02:01:38.039 TD Climb was the editor. 1913 02:01:38.119 --> 02:01:39.720 I didn't know that's correct. 1914 02:01:39.880 --> 02:01:42.239 Yeah, I was like fourteen, you know, I had a subscription. 1915 02:01:42.399 --> 02:01:44.920 My mom got it for me. And missus Searling, rod 1916 02:01:44.960 --> 02:01:48.319 Serling's wife, was the publisher, and she was yeah, and 1917 02:01:48.359 --> 02:01:51.880 I know, yeah Carol Sarling and rest rest your soul. 1918 02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:55.399 They would get rejected, but she always put little pencil 1919 02:01:55.439 --> 02:01:59.560 notes on the top when Yeah. It was always awesome. 1920 02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:02.039 And I got to meet her later at Ithaca one 1921 02:02:02.079 --> 02:02:05.720 of those rod Serling conventions, and we corresponded later, like 1922 02:02:05.760 --> 02:02:07.800 when I went to work at Outer Limits to go, oh, yeah, 1923 02:02:07.800 --> 02:02:09.960 I remember you. I remember you. You know, good job, 1924 02:02:10.000 --> 02:02:11.800 you're achieving it. And I'm like, oh, hey, this is 1925 02:02:11.880 --> 02:02:14.079 really cool, you know, So that was awesome. 1926 02:02:14.880 --> 02:02:16.239 She was really a sweet lady. 1927 02:02:16.439 --> 02:02:18.880 Yeah, yeah, she was really really nice. And their kids 1928 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:22.239 are great too, really nice people. But listen, Tom, let's 1929 02:02:22.319 --> 02:02:25.039 let's talk just close things off. Let's talk a little 1930 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:29.600 bit more about about the website again. It's Borderlands Press. 1931 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:32.600 And it's interesting doing the recorded show with you right 1932 02:02:32.680 --> 02:02:35.760 now because you know, I'm not looking at comments from 1933 02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:39.000 people in the audience or anything like that as we stream, 1934 02:02:39.399 --> 02:02:43.039 but I will heartily recommend all of the books that 1935 02:02:43.079 --> 02:02:46.199 you've got. Let's look at at the shop. Let's look 1936 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:49.000 at what people can order from the shop. So many 1937 02:02:49.079 --> 02:02:53.319 different special editions. As we mentioned, you've got special editions 1938 02:02:53.319 --> 02:02:58.399 of the Wayward Pines Duology that is absolutely great and it. 1939 02:02:58.319 --> 02:03:02.079 Was really popular that went on, That went over really well. Yeah, 1940 02:03:02.159 --> 02:03:05.119 there were a little our little books section. Our little 1941 02:03:05.119 --> 02:03:11.319 books are very popular. You actually did a little book, Yeah. 1942 02:03:11.039 --> 02:03:13.359 The little book. I loved being able to do the 1943 02:03:13.359 --> 02:03:17.439 little book for the uh Roberty Howard that was just great. 1944 02:03:18.000 --> 02:03:22.800 And the series we do fifteen books in each series, 1945 02:03:23.560 --> 02:03:27.079 fifteen and we because we can find fifteen different colors, 1946 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:30.600 and every every book is a different color, and it's 1947 02:03:30.600 --> 02:03:34.720 dedicated to a different author, and we get we get 1948 02:03:34.800 --> 02:03:37.520 really well known competent. 1949 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:40.199 People to edit them. And the next one's going to 1950 02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:42.600 be sax Rowe or edited by Paul Wilson. 1951 02:03:42.920 --> 02:03:46.199 Oh, wow, sax I was just looking at some of 1952 02:03:46.239 --> 02:03:50.119 his stuff, some of his old detective stuff. Whoa, where 1953 02:03:50.159 --> 02:03:50.359 you go? 1954 02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:50.600 There? 1955 02:03:50.600 --> 02:03:52.239 You go? Here, it is here, it is little yellow 1956 02:03:52.239 --> 02:03:55.159 book of sax Romer tales. Let's yeah, let's bring it in. 1957 02:03:55.680 --> 02:04:00.520 And he he didn't worry about being politically correct. He said, 1958 02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:04.640 a perilous yellow book of perilous tales. 1959 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:07.359 And isn't it isn't it great to remember? You know, 1960 02:04:07.479 --> 02:04:11.239 like when Fu Manchu. Yeah, the Fu Manchu novels were 1961 02:04:11.279 --> 02:04:15.279 out there, you know, they they were obviously they were 1962 02:04:15.279 --> 02:04:17.840 part of the Yellow Peril thing, and people didn't even 1963 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:21.920 really understand. I think, uh, yeah, they you know, if 1964 02:04:21.920 --> 02:04:23.479 you look at, for example, if you look at the 1965 02:04:23.560 --> 02:04:27.600 late eighteen hundreds, the Chinese immigrants coming over to the 1966 02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:30.560 West Coast, A lot of the people in San Francisco, 1967 02:04:30.640 --> 02:04:33.039 Chinatown is very big, but a lot of the native 1968 02:04:33.039 --> 02:04:36.319 workers didn't like people coming over from Asia because they 1969 02:04:36.359 --> 02:04:38.960 would work for less on the in the gold mines 1970 02:04:39.000 --> 02:04:40.800 and so on. And I've brought this up before the 1971 02:04:40.840 --> 02:04:43.239 first time in the United States, as you know, because 1972 02:04:43.239 --> 02:04:45.680 you read my sub stack and you're probably aware of this. 1973 02:04:46.800 --> 02:04:50.960 The immigration isn't a federal issue. It's actually a state issue. 1974 02:04:51.399 --> 02:04:55.399 And it was eighteen it was yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 1975 02:04:55.439 --> 02:04:58.399 And it was eighteen seventy five that part of this 1976 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:02.680 this growing push to stop immigrants from Japan or China 1977 02:05:02.840 --> 02:05:06.399 or wherever started to rise up because they didn't like 1978 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:09.079 the competition, so they would use all sorts of excuses. 1979 02:05:09.119 --> 02:05:11.840 All the women are going to be prostitutes, they're carrying diseases, 1980 02:05:12.359 --> 02:05:15.000 you know. And in California they actually put up a 1981 02:05:15.000 --> 02:05:20.159 statute that blocked immigration for Chinese when Chinese or Japanese women, 1982 02:05:20.760 --> 02:05:23.880 and they that was appealed to the Supreme Court in 1983 02:05:23.920 --> 02:05:27.000 a case called Chai Lung v. Freemen and it was 1984 02:05:27.079 --> 02:05:30.840 decided in eighteen seventy five. And at that point that's 1985 02:05:30.880 --> 02:05:34.560 when they started. The federal government just took over and 1986 02:05:34.600 --> 02:05:37.520 we got Ellis Island and only these certain places where 1987 02:05:37.520 --> 02:05:39.600 you could come in. And now we can see it's 1988 02:05:39.640 --> 02:05:42.560 such a miss. It's all central command and control, you know, 1989 02:05:42.640 --> 02:05:46.319 it's it's not in any way what the founders originally envisioned, 1990 02:05:46.359 --> 02:05:49.560 you know. And so the Yellow Peril thing right there. Then, 1991 02:05:49.640 --> 02:05:52.720 actually this is going to be great. When's that coming out. 1992 02:05:55.000 --> 02:05:56.560 It'll be out in about a week. 1993 02:05:57.479 --> 02:06:01.319 Wow, Wow, this is gonna be great. And Paul, I mean, tom, 1994 02:06:01.399 --> 02:06:06.159 let me just do this, just grab this here. So 1995 02:06:06.279 --> 02:06:08.199 this is this is the one that I got to edit. 1996 02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:13.039 The Roberty Howard stories. Correct, that's about the size of 1997 02:06:13.079 --> 02:06:14.760 the books, everybody. If you want to check them out, 1998 02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:17.439 go to Borderlands Press. And then you got the E. F. 1999 02:06:17.479 --> 02:06:19.600 Benson one which will be out. What color is that 2000 02:06:19.640 --> 02:06:22.239 going to be pink or something? Or is it I 2001 02:06:22.239 --> 02:06:25.399 don't even know Benson. I'm not sure. 2002 02:06:25.960 --> 02:06:26.640 I'm not sure. 2003 02:06:28.479 --> 02:06:31.680 And that that was a blast too. Just exploring E. F. 2004 02:06:31.720 --> 02:06:33.359 Benson was so much fun. 2005 02:06:33.439 --> 02:06:37.359 Like I said, you nobody that that's part of why 2006 02:06:37.399 --> 02:06:41.479 we did that series is to reintroduce two new readers, 2007 02:06:42.079 --> 02:06:47.159 these writers that were so influential and so good and 2008 02:06:47.199 --> 02:06:49.399 that we just didn't want them to be forgotten. 2009 02:06:49.760 --> 02:06:51.279 You know. Yeah, that's great. 2010 02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:55.399 Well yeah, Tommy, Nick Saltos, I don't know if you know, Nick, 2011 02:06:55.880 --> 02:07:02.119 he's doing Richard Robert Middleton, the guy that wrote the 2012 02:07:02.119 --> 02:07:03.119 ghost Ship. 2013 02:07:03.560 --> 02:07:09.439 And really yeah, really amazing short stories by him. That's great. 2014 02:07:10.239 --> 02:07:12.800 And the series that where you were in, we did 2015 02:07:12.880 --> 02:07:15.520 Richard Kannell, the guy that did the most dangerous game. 2016 02:07:16.039 --> 02:07:18.039 Oh oh man, what a great story. And you know 2017 02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:19.840 the other thing I want to see, Tom. You know, 2018 02:07:19.880 --> 02:07:22.439 it's like I'm a fan too, right, I mean, but 2019 02:07:22.479 --> 02:07:24.640 the thing about these is what I love is they're 2020 02:07:24.800 --> 02:07:28.520 just the right amount, They're just the right little package. 2021 02:07:29.359 --> 02:07:31.119 And I know you've sold out of a lot of them. 2022 02:07:31.159 --> 02:07:33.640 But if I can engender and convince a number of 2023 02:07:33.640 --> 02:07:37.840 people to go to borderlandspress dot com, borderlandspress dot com, 2024 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:40.439 check the check out the little Book series and all 2025 02:07:40.479 --> 02:07:40.960 the books. 2026 02:07:41.279 --> 02:07:46.119 But people love them. They they become the serious collector 2027 02:07:46.239 --> 02:07:47.680 of each series. It's great. 2028 02:07:47.720 --> 02:07:51.439 I love it. I love it. Finally, Tom, can we talk, 2029 02:07:51.720 --> 02:07:55.800 just finally about the availability of your books in total. 2030 02:07:55.880 --> 02:07:58.439 We've got, of course, the new one that's coming out, 2031 02:07:58.479 --> 02:08:01.600 Memos from the Abyss Right sign A limited to three 2032 02:08:01.680 --> 02:08:07.279 hundred copies, five hundred pages, amazing, amazing stuff. But in 2033 02:08:07.319 --> 02:08:11.159 addition to that, your other works that people can get. 2034 02:08:11.239 --> 02:08:13.640 And as we say, there we have we have Blake 2035 02:08:13.720 --> 02:08:16.560 Crouch with Wayward Pines. They made a TV series out 2036 02:08:16.600 --> 02:08:20.039 of that, which was his sort of homage to Twin Peaks. 2037 02:08:20.319 --> 02:08:26.560 Very very definitely yep. Absolutely, And then let's show these again. 2038 02:08:27.119 --> 02:08:30.439 Blood of the Lamb Thomas mont Leoni definitely not Kansas 2039 02:08:30.479 --> 02:08:34.159 co written with F. Paul and The Secret c plus 2040 02:08:34.159 --> 02:08:37.680 many many other ones by you that people can check out, 2041 02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:40.920 Time Walk or Cool Story. I loved the opening of 2042 02:08:40.960 --> 02:08:43.039 that because I was always a fan of like archaeology 2043 02:08:43.079 --> 02:08:46.880 and stuff. Can we yep Night Train a very very 2044 02:08:46.960 --> 02:08:49.279 amazing story, super cool stuff. 2045 02:08:49.279 --> 02:08:52.880 So people can Press is doing a big special edition 2046 02:08:53.000 --> 02:08:53.199 to that. 2047 02:08:54.079 --> 02:08:56.159 Really when's that going to be coming out? 2048 02:08:57.000 --> 02:09:00.840 I don't know, but they wanted to do it. Centipede 2049 02:09:00.840 --> 02:09:04.079 wanted to do and they do these crazy beautiful. 2050 02:09:03.800 --> 02:09:06.520 You know now, Tom, I see a lot of these 2051 02:09:06.560 --> 02:09:08.720 are out of stock. Can they get the e book 2052 02:09:08.800 --> 02:09:09.439 versions of these? 2053 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:13.720 Well, that's that's a good point. My ebook publisher was 2054 02:09:13.840 --> 02:09:17.199 David Wilson at Crossroad, and I had all my stuff 2055 02:09:17.199 --> 02:09:21.000 in ebook and was all doing very well. He is 2056 02:09:21.079 --> 02:09:24.920 also part of the Woke Stoppo. He decided that he 2057 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:28.520 didn't want to be associated with me anymore. He canceled 2058 02:09:29.399 --> 02:09:33.720 sixty five of our books that were in ebooks, all 2059 02:09:33.760 --> 02:09:36.600 of my stuff, all the little books. He just blew them. 2060 02:09:36.720 --> 02:09:39.239 He blew them off. So now I have a new publisher. 2061 02:09:39.279 --> 02:09:44.319 It's called a new e book publisher. It's mean, mean 2062 02:09:44.960 --> 02:09:49.159 cat Press. They have a new website. They're doing all 2063 02:09:49.199 --> 02:09:53.079 my stuff in the ebooks again, and yeah, I'll be 2064 02:09:53.279 --> 02:09:53.840 I'm back. 2065 02:09:54.560 --> 02:09:57.479 Excellent, excellent, all right, So I'm going to put that 2066 02:09:57.520 --> 02:09:57.800 in me. 2067 02:09:58.119 --> 02:10:00.760 They tried, they tried to destroy me, but they couldn't 2068 02:10:00.760 --> 02:10:01.079 do it. 2069 02:10:01.800 --> 02:10:05.399 Oh, excellent, excellent. Well I'm gonna I'll try to make 2070 02:10:05.399 --> 02:10:07.800 sure that I bring that up. Tom, And I want 2071 02:10:07.800 --> 02:10:11.039 to thank you so much for first joining me on 2072 02:10:11.199 --> 02:10:15.039 David Knight's show talking to the audience pre recorded. But 2073 02:10:15.079 --> 02:10:17.840 I hope I can convince the audience to head over 2074 02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:21.840 to the website and check out what you do and 2075 02:10:22.279 --> 02:10:26.600 remember that this is a guy who stood for quality 2076 02:10:26.720 --> 02:10:30.520 and truth and Tom uh you know, as a guy 2077 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:33.760 who was reading your your your stuff before I knew you. 2078 02:10:34.760 --> 02:10:38.600 I'm just you know, I'm pleased as punched to know you. 2079 02:10:39.000 --> 02:10:42.920 And we'll go to my substack. They can read some 2080 02:10:43.039 --> 02:10:46.000 of the previous my writing for free. It's not going 2081 02:10:46.079 --> 02:10:47.000 to cost him anything. 2082 02:10:47.520 --> 02:10:48.800 Yeah, let me put that in there. 2083 02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:52.640 If they like they like my substack stuff, you know, 2084 02:10:52.920 --> 02:10:55.399 that's good for good for me and good for them. 2085 02:10:55.920 --> 02:10:57.439 Yes, excellent. 2086 02:10:57.640 --> 02:11:02.640 I just my latest one is called Talking in Marble, 2087 02:11:02.920 --> 02:11:07.039 Orchard Blues. It's about I went in. I went with 2088 02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:10.479 a ghosts, some ghost hunters to see what was going 2089 02:11:10.520 --> 02:11:13.640 on in a in a graveyard. So oh, what kind 2090 02:11:13.640 --> 02:11:15.199 of kind of fun did you? 2091 02:11:15.239 --> 02:11:17.600 Were you ever there with us with Heather, Heather and 2092 02:11:17.680 --> 02:11:21.920 Dennis when we went to the uh to the uh 2093 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:24.039 uh Lizzy? 2094 02:11:25.800 --> 02:11:28.800 Yeah, yeah, once we did. We were with you guys 2095 02:11:28.800 --> 02:11:29.399 the first. 2096 02:11:29.239 --> 02:11:32.319 Yeah, that's right. That was an interesting experience. That was 2097 02:11:32.880 --> 02:11:37.640 exactly yeah, you know, and I personally think that Lizzie 2098 02:11:37.880 --> 02:11:39.479 did it, but they led her off because of the 2099 02:11:39.479 --> 02:11:41.119 Protestant Catholic uh oh. 2100 02:11:41.159 --> 02:11:45.159 I think she definitely did it. Yeah, because she was 2101 02:11:45.199 --> 02:11:47.760 a woman. They couldn't believe that a woman was capable 2102 02:11:48.279 --> 02:11:50.199 right of such a horror. 2103 02:11:50.520 --> 02:11:54.520 Oh with two people, I mean just crazy. Yeah, And 2104 02:11:54.680 --> 02:11:57.319 I remember it was funny because because it wasn't there 2105 02:11:57.640 --> 02:11:59.920 were you there that time that like Dennis and Heather 2106 02:12:00.079 --> 02:12:02.000 wanted me to lie down in the place where they 2107 02:12:02.000 --> 02:12:05.720 found her father's body on the sofa, And I'm like, no, that. 2108 02:12:05.920 --> 02:12:07.760 Was we weren't there that time. 2109 02:12:07.840 --> 02:12:12.119 Oh yeah, that was uncomfortable. I didn't want to. That 2110 02:12:12.319 --> 02:12:15.239 was that was wild. Look Tom, thank you, thank you, 2111 02:12:15.319 --> 02:12:18.479 thank you, God bless you. Man, you are just a 2112 02:12:18.520 --> 02:12:23.319 true gem borderlandspress dot com. The Tom Montalioni sub stack. 2113 02:12:23.520 --> 02:12:25.399 And by the way, Tom, when people look you up 2114 02:12:25.399 --> 02:12:33.720 on various searcheons, they're. 2115 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:35.640 Going to see all the yes. 2116 02:12:35.239 --> 02:12:38.119 Yes, and right off the bat, they're gonna see Christopher 2117 02:12:38.199 --> 02:12:42.840 Golden's uh stuff about that, and it's just like, oh boy. 2118 02:12:42.720 --> 02:12:47.359 Okay, the Daily Beast thing and you know, yeah, but 2119 02:12:47.479 --> 02:12:51.520 you know what, I survived because I am a survivor. 2120 02:12:52.039 --> 02:12:54.960 You are you are all right, Tom, thank you. We'll 2121 02:12:54.960 --> 02:12:56.359 close this off and I. 2122 02:12:56.560 --> 02:12:58.119 Under thank you. 2123 02:12:57.560 --> 02:13:00.840 You show you got it. Man, A right, well, pause this, 2124 02:13:01.239 --> 02:13:03.840 You and I will keep talking, say goodbye, and we'll 2125 02:13:04.039 --> 02:13:05.920 do a little something on the show live for the 2126 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:10.840 David Knight Show, so the audience gets to see it. Okay, 2127 02:13:10.880 --> 02:13:12.760 and he saw me pop in there for a second, 2128 02:13:12.800 --> 02:13:16.239 and a big great thanks to Tom Montalioni for being 2129 02:13:16.279 --> 02:13:18.640 such a great, great guy. And I wanted to show you. 2130 02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:23.960 There's his substack. Look for Thomas F. Montalioni dot substack 2131 02:13:24.079 --> 02:13:26.600 dot com. A great new one that he just put 2132 02:13:26.600 --> 02:13:29.600 out a couple of days ago, a true ghostly tale 2133 02:13:29.960 --> 02:13:33.560 that you'll like again. It's Thomas F. Montalioni dot substack 2134 02:13:33.680 --> 02:13:36.520 dot com. And in case you didn't get to see it, 2135 02:13:36.560 --> 02:13:40.039 I just wanted to mention again this is the documentation 2136 02:13:40.239 --> 02:13:43.640 of what the Bram Stoker Award people were doing. Where 2137 02:13:43.640 --> 02:13:46.479 they said in the interest of full disclosure, given that 2138 02:13:46.520 --> 02:13:49.479 only six of fifty four Lifetime Achievement Awards have been 2139 02:13:49.479 --> 02:13:53.479 awarded to women, says this person inside the Stoker committee, 2140 02:13:53.479 --> 02:13:58.760 I have asked the committee to prioritize female nominees. So yeah, 2141 02:13:59.000 --> 02:14:03.319 not exactly fold disclosure when it takes an internal document 2142 02:14:03.359 --> 02:14:05.560 to have to get it out there, and they don't 2143 02:14:05.600 --> 02:14:09.600 tell people when they give the awards out that that's 2144 02:14:09.640 --> 02:14:14.840 what they're doing. So Tom Montelloni a hero for truth, 2145 02:14:15.319 --> 02:14:19.319 a guy who believes in quality, and a guy who 2146 02:14:19.439 --> 02:14:22.800 I hope people will visit over at of course Borderlands Press. 2147 02:14:23.119 --> 02:14:26.159 Check out Borderlands Press. Now we have the opportunity to 2148 02:14:26.239 --> 02:14:29.000 do something else that I am really looking forward to, 2149 02:14:29.159 --> 02:14:33.239 and he has been patiently waiting to join us, and 2150 02:14:34.239 --> 02:14:36.359 here on the David Knight Show. You know this man. 2151 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:40.399 I am very pleased to be able to offer us 2152 02:14:40.479 --> 02:14:44.119 the opportunity to bring in a man who fights for 2153 02:14:44.159 --> 02:14:48.760 freedom all the time. He's the kind of guy who 2154 02:14:48.800 --> 02:14:53.840 actually stands up for individual liberty, for being able to 2155 02:14:54.119 --> 02:14:59.680 travel and move, and for exposing the lies of many 2156 02:14:59.720 --> 02:15:02.399 people pople out there. Canna hear a little music that 2157 02:15:02.479 --> 02:15:04.760 David put together and then be joined by Eric Peters 2158 02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:54.439 of Eric Peters autos dot com. 2159 02:15:54.479 --> 02:15:58.600 You're listening to the David Knight Show, all. 2160 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:02.439 Right, wonderful stuff, and thank you everyone who's contributed to 2161 02:16:02.479 --> 02:16:05.560 the program, and thank you also to this man joining 2162 02:16:05.680 --> 02:16:08.880 us right now, Eric Peters, Eric, thank you for being patient. 2163 02:16:08.920 --> 02:16:10.960 I really appreciate it. You got to hear a lot 2164 02:16:11.000 --> 02:16:14.199 of that conversation with Tom MONTALIONI and you yourself have 2165 02:16:14.319 --> 02:16:17.479 been fighting censorship and a lot of other things, and 2166 02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:20.680 I wanted to bring up before we even get into 2167 02:16:20.840 --> 02:16:23.640 many of the amazing pieces that you have, and you 2168 02:16:23.840 --> 02:16:26.600 just posted another one over the past couple hours over 2169 02:16:26.640 --> 02:16:30.039 at Eric petersautos dot com. Of course, people are familiar 2170 02:16:30.079 --> 02:16:32.000 with you if they watch the David Knight program, if 2171 02:16:32.040 --> 02:16:34.760 they watch Liberty Conspiracy, because I've gotten to fill in 2172 02:16:34.799 --> 02:16:37.440 for David admired your stuff. You've been nice enough to 2173 02:16:37.520 --> 02:16:41.319 join me on my show. You've been in a battle 2174 02:16:41.479 --> 02:16:44.159 on X to try to get word out about X, 2175 02:16:44.200 --> 02:16:47.200 and you've been doing some experiments on things there's this 2176 02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:50.159 debate as to whether or not things are really changing 2177 02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:53.920 at X, at Twitter slash X, and whether Elon Musk 2178 02:16:54.040 --> 02:16:57.559 is playing some sort of false dialectic or anything like that. 2179 02:16:58.559 --> 02:17:00.440 You want to offer any thoughts on that once you've 2180 02:17:00.479 --> 02:17:03.000 been trying and what you've been experiencing at X yourself 2181 02:17:03.040 --> 02:17:04.719 getting worried out about your own work. 2182 02:17:05.079 --> 02:17:07.479 Well sure, but before I begin with the introduction that 2183 02:17:07.520 --> 02:17:08.760 you gave me, I feel like I ought to go 2184 02:17:08.760 --> 02:17:13.120 get my Captain Freedom outfit from The Running Man. 2185 02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:16.639 Absolutely, but you've got it. 2186 02:17:16.920 --> 02:17:19.840 The Jesse Ventura and Arnold and you know, all these 2187 02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:22.319 these action stars that we liked back in the day 2188 02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:26.280 have turned out to be these sad, tired old authoritarian 2189 02:17:26.440 --> 02:17:30.520 collective as people. It's just it's very very demoralizing. 2190 02:17:30.040 --> 02:17:31.559 Yes, and you know, to find out the truth is 2191 02:17:31.600 --> 02:17:32.200 it was a good. 2192 02:17:32.040 --> 02:17:32.639 Thing, isn't it. 2193 02:17:32.920 --> 02:17:35.120 Yeah, it really is. And like I said, you know 2194 02:17:35.319 --> 02:17:37.719 in the chat with Tom, you know, being able to 2195 02:17:37.760 --> 02:17:40.559 sort of burn away all that that fluff and so on, 2196 02:17:40.639 --> 02:17:42.920 and and you know, it's a process that we go 2197 02:17:43.000 --> 02:17:45.879 through in many cases, in various times in our lives. 2198 02:17:46.399 --> 02:17:49.360 But it has been quite a quite a crucible I 2199 02:17:49.360 --> 02:17:52.200 think to discover the people who are true to truth 2200 02:17:52.239 --> 02:17:54.760 and try to remain true even though you know, there's 2201 02:17:54.799 --> 02:17:57.159 so many different things that pop up and sometimes people 2202 02:17:57.159 --> 02:17:59.479 can stumble and we have different opinions on certain things, 2203 02:17:59.520 --> 02:18:01.959 but you try to be as honest with people as possible. 2204 02:18:02.040 --> 02:18:05.280 And those guys, unfortunately, they've been pulled aside. I think, 2205 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:07.959 you know, maybe in conversation, if someone were to speak 2206 02:18:07.959 --> 02:18:11.079 with Jesse Ventura, you know, they might say, oh, I 2207 02:18:11.120 --> 02:18:13.360 guess I had the wrong impression about what you did 2208 02:18:13.479 --> 02:18:16.360 or what you're doing and so on. But yeah, you know, 2209 02:18:16.559 --> 02:18:17.719 we assess it as it goes. 2210 02:18:17.760 --> 02:18:21.120 I guess Elon Musk is proving to be kind of 2211 02:18:21.159 --> 02:18:23.799 a younger iteration of that, and we're finding out the 2212 02:18:23.799 --> 02:18:27.479 truth about him sooner rather than later. I'll preface what 2213 02:18:27.520 --> 02:18:30.520 I'm going to say with regard to my personal situation 2214 02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:35.440 by taking note of the fact that when Brazil threatened him, 2215 02:18:35.559 --> 02:18:38.200 initially he pushed back a little bit, but then he 2216 02:18:38.239 --> 02:18:41.440 caved in because he wants the money at the end 2217 02:18:41.479 --> 02:18:43.600 of the day, you know, he wants to maximize his 2218 02:18:43.680 --> 02:18:46.840 revenue streams, so he has acceded to these thugs in 2219 02:18:46.879 --> 02:18:50.280 Brazil who have told him, essentially that if they tell 2220 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:53.840 him to censor the account of anybody. You know, the 2221 02:18:53.920 --> 02:18:56.799 decree only applied to one particular person, I think, or 2222 02:18:56.799 --> 02:18:58.360 a handful of people. I think there were four or 2223 02:18:58.360 --> 02:19:02.440 five political figures in Brazil that the authoritarian regime doesn't 2224 02:19:02.639 --> 02:19:08.440 like and wants to prevent from expressing themselves publicly on X. Well, 2225 02:19:08.440 --> 02:19:11.879 he cowtowed to that, So what makes anybody think that 2226 02:19:11.920 --> 02:19:14.520 he's not going to do the same thing here? Now 2227 02:19:14.639 --> 02:19:17.920 I'll segue from that to here he does do that 2228 02:19:18.040 --> 02:19:20.879 here in the first place, if you don't pay him 2229 02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:25.920 a fee every month, you're put into kind of an 2230 02:19:26.040 --> 02:19:28.559 alley way of free speech where most of what you 2231 02:19:28.680 --> 02:19:31.600 post isn't seen. And it's kind of like, you know, 2232 02:19:31.639 --> 02:19:33.399 back in the print newspaper days, and I have a 2233 02:19:33.440 --> 02:19:36.559 background print newspaper. It would be like expecting people to 2234 02:19:36.799 --> 02:19:40.280 pay the newspaper to publish their letter to the editor. 2235 02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:44.360 But it's even more egregious than that because in my case, 2236 02:19:44.360 --> 02:19:46.559 for example, in the case of people like Naomi Wolf, 2237 02:19:46.600 --> 02:19:50.040 who's another person who's in my predicament, and wrap report 2238 02:19:50.120 --> 02:19:52.440 is another one who's had the same situation happened. 2239 02:19:52.479 --> 02:19:55.520 John Rappaport, Sure, yeah. 2240 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:57.760 You know, we're literally providing content to X. You know, 2241 02:19:57.799 --> 02:20:00.319 it's not as though we're just posting one sentence pithy 2242 02:20:00.360 --> 02:20:03.760 little comments. We're actually providing content and we're being expected 2243 02:20:03.920 --> 02:20:07.600 to pay him to put the content on his platform 2244 02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:10.680 so that he can make advertising revenue off of our content. 2245 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:13.000 And then this applies to everybody who happens to be 2246 02:20:13.040 --> 02:20:16.520 on X. They are mining your data to sell ads, 2247 02:20:16.840 --> 02:20:19.040 so they're making money off of you, and they're expecting 2248 02:20:19.120 --> 02:20:21.360 you to pay for the privilege it is. It is 2249 02:20:21.399 --> 02:20:25.319 a grift on par with his ev grift. So you know, 2250 02:20:25.360 --> 02:20:30.879 there's that. Then there's the really subtle way they just 2251 02:20:31.000 --> 02:20:35.719 shunt the wrong thankful comments. They don't outright ban you usually, 2252 02:20:35.760 --> 02:20:37.559 you know, you'd have to really do something blatant for 2253 02:20:37.639 --> 02:20:40.799 that to happen. You'll think that you've posted something. You know, 2254 02:20:40.840 --> 02:20:44.760 it'll show. The problem is nobody sees it, right, And 2255 02:20:45.000 --> 02:20:46.920 I have been trying to document this on a day 2256 02:20:46.959 --> 02:20:47.680 to day basis. 2257 02:20:47.879 --> 02:20:50.040 Yeah, I was curious about that. I don't know how 2258 02:20:50.559 --> 02:20:53.600 you have gone about that, And I was fascinating because 2259 02:20:53.600 --> 02:20:55.680 I know this has been a multi week project of yours. 2260 02:20:55.719 --> 02:20:59.120 Right, Yeah, well it's fairly easy. I've got a significant 2261 02:20:59.159 --> 02:21:02.440 number of followers in traffic. So on a day when 2262 02:21:02.520 --> 02:21:04.799 let's use the analogy of a water spigot, when they 2263 02:21:04.840 --> 02:21:08.000 turn the spigot on and people can see what I've posted, 2264 02:21:08.479 --> 02:21:11.840 I'll typically get twenty plus comments or replies to what 2265 02:21:11.879 --> 02:21:14.639 I've posted within a twelve hour period. Then this figot 2266 02:21:14.680 --> 02:21:17.479 will turn off, and you know, from the next twelve 2267 02:21:17.520 --> 02:21:20.280 to twenty four hours, sometimes even longer than that. Literally, 2268 02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:24.159 nothing that's not natural, that's not organic, because I'm posting 2269 02:21:24.159 --> 02:21:26.719 the same amount of material pretty much every day. I'm 2270 02:21:26.799 --> 02:21:28.719 kind of a workaholic, you know, I do a lot 2271 02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:31.840 of stuff every single day. So I'm posting links and 2272 02:21:31.879 --> 02:21:35.000 things on X so it ought to be consistent. It 2273 02:21:35.040 --> 02:21:37.639 does not make sense that all these people who you know, 2274 02:21:37.639 --> 02:21:40.239 who are following me and who will typically respond to 2275 02:21:40.280 --> 02:21:43.719 something that I've posted on I, say, a Tuesday, would 2276 02:21:43.879 --> 02:21:46.399 not respond at all on a Wednesday to similar things, 2277 02:21:46.440 --> 02:21:48.079 doesn't It just doesn't make any sense. 2278 02:21:48.239 --> 02:21:48.719 So I've tied. 2279 02:21:48.760 --> 02:21:51.559 I've tried to take screenshots when I get up in 2280 02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:54.399 the morning of what's happened overnight or in the past 2281 02:21:54.399 --> 02:21:58.280 twelve hours to show people, Okay, look, yesterday I had 2282 02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:01.799 eighteen or nineteen or twenty responses to something and now 2283 02:22:01.840 --> 02:22:04.520 here it is twelve hours later or twenty four hours 2284 02:22:04.559 --> 02:22:06.559 later and there's nothing zero. 2285 02:22:07.159 --> 02:22:07.799 How can that be? 2286 02:22:08.319 --> 02:22:11.879 Yeah, so you know that's what they're doing. And it's 2287 02:22:12.520 --> 02:22:16.239 there's a good analogy here. I think they you know, 2288 02:22:16.319 --> 02:22:20.600 they are the federal government. These bureaucratic apparatchicks are smart 2289 02:22:20.680 --> 02:22:24.159 enough not to outlaw cars with engines, because there might 2290 02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:26.719 be pushback from that. It's too blatant, it's too obvious. 2291 02:22:27.079 --> 02:22:30.040 So rather than outlaw them, what they do is they 2292 02:22:30.159 --> 02:22:35.360 out regulate them. They enact these regulations that effectively serve 2293 02:22:35.479 --> 02:22:38.479 to push them off the road because you can't comply 2294 02:22:38.600 --> 02:22:42.719 with them. Not realistic, but not economic, right, So you know, okay, 2295 02:22:42.760 --> 02:22:44.760 well sure you could. You know, Harris even say it 2296 02:22:44.799 --> 02:22:46.239 the other day. You know, we're not trying to we're 2297 02:22:46.239 --> 02:22:48.959 not trying to suppress people's opportunity to buy a gas 2298 02:22:48.959 --> 02:22:52.040 engine car if they want to. Well, yeah you are. 2299 02:22:51.840 --> 02:22:54.959 You're you're forcing the manufacturers to not make them anymore 2300 02:22:55.200 --> 02:22:58.840 in favor of either pure electric cars or hybrid cars, 2301 02:22:59.479 --> 02:23:02.319 which are the only vehicles that can comply with these regulations. 2302 02:23:02.319 --> 02:23:04.159 And that's how they do it. And it's really it's 2303 02:23:04.239 --> 02:23:07.399 very insidious because most people do not understand how the 2304 02:23:07.440 --> 02:23:09.360 regulatory apparat works. 2305 02:23:09.399 --> 02:23:12.959 You know, they they And we were talking about fascism before, 2306 02:23:13.879 --> 02:23:16.120 and I didn't even bring up you know, the economic 2307 02:23:16.239 --> 02:23:21.760 definition of fascism is the nominative in name only ownership 2308 02:23:21.799 --> 02:23:25.280 of private property or business with the mixing of government 2309 02:23:25.360 --> 02:23:28.680 and corporate interests together, as Mussobelini Mussolini loves so much. 2310 02:23:28.719 --> 02:23:32.719 So that's exactly it. Whether it's the EPA or OSHA, 2311 02:23:32.920 --> 02:23:36.680 or it's the state of California dictating to car companies 2312 02:23:36.680 --> 02:23:39.319 because they have such a large pool of customers there 2313 02:23:39.360 --> 02:23:43.000 that car companies will fall in line these types of things. 2314 02:23:43.319 --> 02:23:48.040 They literally are taking away people's opportunities to see variations, 2315 02:23:48.079 --> 02:23:50.440 to be able to freely associate with people and decide 2316 02:23:50.440 --> 02:23:51.200 for themselves. 2317 02:23:51.479 --> 02:23:55.479 Yeah, and the adversary relationship that once existed, say between 2318 02:23:55.520 --> 02:23:57.920 the car makers and the government, that's going away. 2319 02:23:58.239 --> 02:23:58.399 You know. 2320 02:23:58.520 --> 02:24:02.719 Fascism more fine is when the corporate structures literally embed 2321 02:24:02.799 --> 02:24:07.399 themselves with the government and effectively they are the same entity. 2322 02:24:08.159 --> 02:24:10.760 You know, they are serving each other's interests. And that's 2323 02:24:10.799 --> 02:24:12.719 what's happened to the car companies. And I've been witnessed 2324 02:24:12.719 --> 02:24:14.760 to this I've been doing this for thirty years now, 2325 02:24:15.639 --> 02:24:18.239 and back when I started out in the nineties, they 2326 02:24:18.280 --> 02:24:21.479 would push back when when the regulatory apparat would propose 2327 02:24:21.479 --> 02:24:23.600 something airbacks, for example, when that first came out, I 2328 02:24:23.639 --> 02:24:26.639 was witnessed to this first person. They brought an engineers. 2329 02:24:26.680 --> 02:24:28.840 They tried to talk to the federal regulators at NTSA 2330 02:24:28.879 --> 02:24:31.440 and they said, look, it's not just about the money. 2331 02:24:31.879 --> 02:24:34.520 You know, these things are not perfect, and they're going 2332 02:24:34.559 --> 02:24:36.280 to hurt some people, and they're probably going to kill 2333 02:24:36.280 --> 02:24:39.319 some people, and you know you should take that into 2334 02:24:39.319 --> 02:24:43.120 consideration before you pass a mandate or a requirement that 2335 02:24:43.200 --> 02:24:47.040 every new car has this. They stopped doing that now 2336 02:24:47.280 --> 02:24:51.959 they actually anticipate mandates. In fact, they will propose things 2337 02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:54.200 be put into cars because they can make more money. 2338 02:24:54.239 --> 02:24:55.680 It's rent seeking grifts. 2339 02:24:57.440 --> 02:25:00.000 I was just going to say, you've inspired me, because 2340 02:25:00.239 --> 02:25:02.799 just yesterday I saw our report on how the carbon 2341 02:25:02.959 --> 02:25:08.159 capture so called industry, which is at this point unregulated, 2342 02:25:08.200 --> 02:25:13.159 they claim, is asking for the federal government to regulate 2343 02:25:13.319 --> 02:25:17.840 it out of their great magnanimous nature, which everybody knows 2344 02:25:17.959 --> 02:25:21.200 is rent seeking because they are established and they want 2345 02:25:21.239 --> 02:25:25.719 these regulations and impositions to block other people from coming 2346 02:25:25.719 --> 02:25:30.239 into already something that is a totally ginned up, non 2347 02:25:30.440 --> 02:25:34.200 market oriented field of endeavor that shouldn't even exist in 2348 02:25:34.239 --> 02:25:35.040 the first place. 2349 02:25:35.520 --> 02:25:39.000 There's another example. You know, we are presented with this notion, 2350 02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:43.159 this hissterical notion, that we face an existential crisis on 2351 02:25:43.200 --> 02:25:46.520 account of the climate changing. And the climate is changing, 2352 02:25:46.520 --> 02:25:49.120 they tell us because of gas engine vehicles. So we've 2353 02:25:49.159 --> 02:25:51.559 got to get people into electric cars. That's what they 2354 02:25:51.600 --> 02:25:54.879 tell us. Existential crisis, right, serious business. If we take 2355 02:25:54.920 --> 02:25:58.200 that premise, Hm, well, if that's the case, then why 2356 02:25:58.239 --> 02:26:02.120 don't they allow these only low cost electric vehicles that 2357 02:26:02.200 --> 02:26:04.920 are manufactured by the Chinese and other companies that you 2358 02:26:04.959 --> 02:26:07.719 can pick up for eight thousand bucks equivalent in China 2359 02:26:08.200 --> 02:26:10.879 into the United States. It's an existential crisis, isn't it. 2360 02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:13.520 Don't you want more people in these evs when you 2361 02:26:13.559 --> 02:26:17.399 want more affordable evs instead. What's being forced on people 2362 02:26:17.559 --> 02:26:21.040 is this grift of these fifty thousand dollars plus high end, 2363 02:26:21.120 --> 02:26:24.680 high performance, luxury evs. They almost all tout how quick 2364 02:26:24.719 --> 02:26:27.239 they are, right, I mean, every time you encounter somebody 2365 02:26:27.239 --> 02:26:29.879 who's an EV advocate, they'll tell you my EV can 2366 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:32.120 get to sixty and three point nine seconds or whatever 2367 02:26:32.159 --> 02:26:34.840 it is. Wait a minute. If it's an existential crisis, 2368 02:26:34.879 --> 02:26:37.399 if the planet is going to fall apart, we're all 2369 02:26:37.399 --> 02:26:39.440 going to die. What are you worried about? How quickly 2370 02:26:39.479 --> 02:26:42.559 this thing goes? Observe to sixty. It should be minimalism. 2371 02:26:42.639 --> 02:26:45.959 It shouldn't be anything more than the bare necessity of 2372 02:26:46.159 --> 02:26:47.680 what it takes to get from A to B. 2373 02:26:48.280 --> 02:26:51.319 Exactly, you got a pair down that used of carbon. 2374 02:26:51.440 --> 02:26:54.120 You can't enjoy a faster ride. In fact, you should 2375 02:26:54.200 --> 02:26:57.479 just get sales, sit on skateboards and go with the wind. 2376 02:26:57.559 --> 02:27:00.159 Even that you have to cut the trees that we 2377 02:27:00.200 --> 02:27:04.559 gotta just walk and don't even wear shoes, just go naked. 2378 02:27:04.840 --> 02:27:07.959 Everything's fine. It's much better that way. And you remind 2379 02:27:08.000 --> 02:27:10.920 me Eric or speaking with Eric Peters of Eric Peters 2380 02:27:11.040 --> 02:27:20.559 autos dot com. Follow him at x as libertarian car Gee. 2381 02:27:20.600 --> 02:27:23.799 I'm Gardner Goldsmith filling in for David Knight. Eric Peters 2382 02:27:23.799 --> 02:27:26.280 a great regular guest on the David Knight Show. And 2383 02:27:26.319 --> 02:27:28.159 of course you can find my show and Eric is 2384 02:27:28.200 --> 02:27:31.399 off in there as well, and that is Liberty Conspiracy 2385 02:27:31.440 --> 02:27:33.760 at six pm Monday through Friday. Go to Rumble and 2386 02:27:33.879 --> 02:27:36.719 Rockfin and all that stuff. But I should mention Eric, 2387 02:27:37.000 --> 02:27:40.200 this will show you just seeing the politicians when they're 2388 02:27:40.200 --> 02:27:43.319 appearing with the unions, when they're going to the automobile companies. 2389 02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:49.159 It's this weird, bifurcated almost cyclical thing where that right there, 2390 02:27:49.239 --> 02:27:52.799 you're seeing fascism in action on video right in front 2391 02:27:52.799 --> 02:27:56.440 of your eyes, because they're catering to the unions or 2392 02:27:56.479 --> 02:27:59.319 the car companies at the same time that they're leveraging 2393 02:27:59.440 --> 02:28:02.440 off of regulations that have already been imposed, and the 2394 02:28:02.479 --> 02:28:05.440 regulatory state which already is there and has been there 2395 02:28:05.479 --> 02:28:08.200 for so long that can continue to come down and 2396 02:28:08.319 --> 02:28:11.360 hurt them or play favorites. So we have an example 2397 02:28:11.559 --> 02:28:14.840 of the so called freedom guy JD. Vance. And this 2398 02:28:15.040 --> 02:28:18.799 is a great example of where in one area MRCTV 2399 02:28:18.879 --> 02:28:22.040 and I had differing opinions. They I had a piece 2400 02:28:22.159 --> 02:28:27.559 about Kamala Harris and her ev bus adoration and how 2401 02:28:27.600 --> 02:28:31.559 the Democrat Party ended up getting a boost cyclically coming 2402 02:28:31.600 --> 02:28:34.920 back from an ev bust maker, not pro Tera, a 2403 02:28:34.920 --> 02:28:38.000 different one that gave they got money from the Feds 2404 02:28:38.079 --> 02:28:40.559 and then the head of that company gave money to 2405 02:28:40.600 --> 02:28:44.159 the Democrat Party. So that was part of the article. 2406 02:28:44.200 --> 02:28:45.840 But I said, you know, if you think that this 2407 02:28:45.959 --> 02:28:49.479 is just Democrats, you're wrong because JD. Vance, when he 2408 02:28:49.520 --> 02:28:53.639 was in Michigan about seven days ago, actually appeared and 2409 02:28:53.680 --> 02:28:56.959 told people he didn't like what the Biden administration was 2410 02:28:57.040 --> 02:28:59.680 doing about EV's It was terrible what they were doing 2411 02:28:59.719 --> 02:29:02.520 this stuff. And then the reason he gave that it 2412 02:29:02.559 --> 02:29:06.120 was terrible was because they weren't giving more money for 2413 02:29:06.280 --> 02:29:10.920 EV development in Detroit. So you know, he's just going 2414 02:29:11.000 --> 02:29:13.200 to be adding to the fascism. And you just say, 2415 02:29:13.600 --> 02:29:17.200 first of all, you're on the most basic level. You're 2416 02:29:17.280 --> 02:29:20.600 supposed to be swearing an oath to the Constitution. Where 2417 02:29:20.799 --> 02:29:24.559 in the world an article eight million? Are you finding 2418 02:29:24.719 --> 02:29:28.479 that as something you are enumerated to do? And then 2419 02:29:28.520 --> 02:29:31.639 we could get into the deeper philosophy that Lessanders Spooner said. 2420 02:29:31.760 --> 02:29:33.600 Even if you have a group of people two hundred 2421 02:29:33.639 --> 02:29:36.000 years ago who signed a piece of paper that says 2422 02:29:36.239 --> 02:29:39.479 we who take these offices will have authority over other people, 2423 02:29:39.680 --> 02:29:43.879 that doesn't make it legitimate. There's no authority over other 2424 02:29:43.959 --> 02:29:46.719 people that a group of people can sign for themselves. 2425 02:29:46.799 --> 02:29:48.040 It doesn't work that way. 2426 02:29:48.319 --> 02:29:50.719 One of the most fascinating aspects of this to me. 2427 02:29:51.280 --> 02:29:52.559 Yeah, and I'm going to. 2428 02:29:52.600 --> 02:29:54.879 Say you're into. Something Trump said is that, you know, 2429 02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:58.200 they pretend on the right to oppose the left, but 2430 02:29:58.239 --> 02:30:00.879 they agree with the left on the fundamentals. And so 2431 02:30:00.959 --> 02:30:03.520 how do you contest the left when you yourself have 2432 02:30:03.559 --> 02:30:06.239 already agreed with it. Here's the example that I'll bring forward. 2433 02:30:06.879 --> 02:30:09.120 A couple of weeks ago. Trump was talking about how 2434 02:30:09.159 --> 02:30:12.319 if he's elected, he's going to do something about the 2435 02:30:12.360 --> 02:30:14.799 high cost of car insurance. He's going to uh, he's 2436 02:30:14.799 --> 02:30:16.959 going to buy FIAT. He's going to issue some kind 2437 02:30:17.000 --> 02:30:19.280 of price controls. He's going to say, you know, they 2438 02:30:19.319 --> 02:30:22.200 have to lower them by fifty percent or whatever. So 2439 02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:24.719 you know, he doesn't question, well, why is the government 2440 02:30:24.760 --> 02:30:27.360 in the first place forcing people to buy a product 2441 02:30:27.440 --> 02:30:30.799 or service, any product or service. That's the problem. If 2442 02:30:30.799 --> 02:30:33.559 you can't say no to anything, it's going to cost 2443 02:30:33.600 --> 02:30:35.680 you more at the end of the day. 2444 02:30:36.040 --> 02:30:36.200 You know. 2445 02:30:36.239 --> 02:30:38.200 The reason that that say, you can still buy a 2446 02:30:38.239 --> 02:30:39.760 three or four dollars cup of coffee, and I know 2447 02:30:39.799 --> 02:30:42.959 that's that's pretty ridiculous too, is because you're free to 2448 02:30:43.000 --> 02:30:45.239 not buy it. You know, can you imagine if there 2449 02:30:45.239 --> 02:30:47.159 were a mandate that you had to buy a cup 2450 02:30:47.200 --> 02:30:49.040 of coffee and not only that there will only say 2451 02:30:49.239 --> 02:30:51.920 two or three places that you could go to buy coffee, you. 2452 02:30:52.559 --> 02:30:55.399 Know cost I should bring up. Also, then there are 2453 02:30:55.399 --> 02:30:57.959 the hidden mandates even if you bring up something like 2454 02:30:58.000 --> 02:31:00.959 a cup of coffee. As as James Bovar wrote in 2455 02:31:01.000 --> 02:31:02.760 the book The Fair Trade Fraud, if you look at 2456 02:31:02.760 --> 02:31:05.920 all the hidden mandates on even the people trying to 2457 02:31:05.959 --> 02:31:10.639 bring you coffee or milk or cheese, or women's braziers, 2458 02:31:11.200 --> 02:31:17.719 they've got tariffs against French braziers and textiles. So behind 2459 02:31:18.120 --> 02:31:20.399 many of the things that are actually on the shelves 2460 02:31:20.680 --> 02:31:25.079 are interlopers deciding for you that no, you know what, 2461 02:31:25.200 --> 02:31:27.639 if you wanted to buy that other thing, your freedom 2462 02:31:27.639 --> 02:31:30.760 of choice is now going to be penalized. We're deciding, 2463 02:31:30.799 --> 02:31:34.120 as I mentioned, through tariffs, what is essential and what 2464 02:31:34.239 --> 02:31:37.639 is non essential, which is a form of fascism. You 2465 02:31:37.680 --> 02:31:41.319 are playing up certain types of endeavors for your friends, 2466 02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:44.319 the domestic friends, whether they're the union members or people 2467 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:46.840 who think that the native jobs have to be protected, 2468 02:31:47.120 --> 02:31:50.799 and you're taking away someone's choice. It's insane. 2469 02:31:51.079 --> 02:31:55.719 Well, there's a really simplic, childish thing that has been 2470 02:31:55.799 --> 02:31:59.520 imparted to kids now for generation generations, so that they 2471 02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:02.440 when they hear that word fascism, what they think of 2472 02:32:03.040 --> 02:32:07.200 are jack booted stormtroopers marching in review before Hitler. They 2473 02:32:07.200 --> 02:32:09.000 don't understand the economics of. 2474 02:32:08.959 --> 02:32:09.799 Fascism, right. 2475 02:32:09.840 --> 02:32:11.959 You know, you mentioned what you said earlier, what you 2476 02:32:11.959 --> 02:32:15.559 mentioned earlier about Mussolini, you know, the inventor of modern 2477 02:32:15.600 --> 02:32:18.040 fascism and the symbols of fascism which go back to 2478 02:32:18.079 --> 02:32:21.319 ancient Rome. Very very few people, I doubtny I got 2479 02:32:21.399 --> 02:32:24.159 one out of one hundred people would be able to 2480 02:32:24.159 --> 02:32:27.879 tell you what the fascis are, what the word fascism 2481 02:32:27.879 --> 02:32:29.600 itself means. 2482 02:32:29.760 --> 02:32:33.520 Or the fact that they're on the Lincoln Memorial correct, yeah, 2483 02:32:33.600 --> 02:32:34.920 that fascist himself. 2484 02:32:35.079 --> 02:32:36.840 And you know, with regard to these costs, you know, 2485 02:32:37.399 --> 02:32:39.399 people have no idea. One of the reasons we're so 2486 02:32:39.440 --> 02:32:42.760 impoverish is because you have to get permission to transact business. 2487 02:32:42.920 --> 02:32:45.360 There's a middle man between you and your potential customer. 2488 02:32:45.600 --> 02:32:48.360 For example, Don and I have thought about the idea 2489 02:32:48.600 --> 02:32:51.399 of having a little food truck, you know, because we 2490 02:32:51.440 --> 02:32:53.360 live in a rural area, so people have to drive 2491 02:32:53.479 --> 02:32:56.760 very far to get things, and we thought, you know, wow, 2492 02:32:57.040 --> 02:32:59.040 people would probably like to have, you know, like a 2493 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:01.440 little food truck that has some Chinese food, let's say, 2494 02:33:01.479 --> 02:33:04.600 just some basic things, you know, spring rolls and general soce, 2495 02:33:04.680 --> 02:33:07.120 chicken and stuff like that. But you can't just get 2496 02:33:07.120 --> 02:33:09.600 a food truck and you know and set it up 2497 02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:11.479 even on your own property. You know, we can put 2498 02:33:11.479 --> 02:33:14.280 it on my land adjacent to the road without the 2499 02:33:14.280 --> 02:33:18.959 government's permission and the government's supervision, and the cost is exorbitant. 2500 02:33:19.040 --> 02:33:21.840 And then there's the hassle. I have a friend who 2501 02:33:21.920 --> 02:33:24.440 is a restaurant owner, and you know, he was constantly 2502 02:33:24.479 --> 02:33:27.600 being pestered and hassled and made to pay money to 2503 02:33:27.680 --> 02:33:30.959 some officious little bureaucrat from the county who would visit 2504 02:33:31.000 --> 02:33:33.479 his restaurant all the time to you know, check things out. 2505 02:33:33.959 --> 02:33:35.920 There are no assertions that anybody has been harmed by 2506 02:33:35.959 --> 02:33:38.719 any of it. Nobody's being forced to eat there. Everybody's 2507 02:33:38.760 --> 02:33:41.159 happy in terms of, you know, the customers getting what 2508 02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:43.600 they want, the service is being provided. So what's the problem. 2509 02:33:43.799 --> 02:33:46.000 But we've been so habituated as a culture and a 2510 02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:48.719 society to thinking that, you know, in order for that 2511 02:33:48.760 --> 02:33:50.719 to happen, you have to have the government's permission, and 2512 02:33:50.760 --> 02:33:54.040 you have to have the government supervision, as if entities 2513 02:33:54.079 --> 02:33:56.000 like the FDA are doing a real fine job of 2514 02:33:56.000 --> 02:33:57.799 making sure the food supply is safe. 2515 02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:01.239 And you know, Eric, i'll I do want to bring 2516 02:34:01.319 --> 02:34:04.760 up someone over on X brought up a point that 2517 02:34:04.879 --> 02:34:09.159 actually opens up another dimension to this on the immigration 2518 02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:15.760 side of it, and that is this galloys rites, they're 2519 02:34:15.799 --> 02:34:20.280 red taping us to death and importing cheap labor. And 2520 02:34:20.319 --> 02:34:23.360 you know, there is some very strong validity there when 2521 02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:27.399 we think about what businesses end up having to do 2522 02:34:27.719 --> 02:34:32.639 when their production costs whatever the you know, the means 2523 02:34:32.639 --> 02:34:36.879 of production are for them, where the government imposes higher 2524 02:34:36.879 --> 02:34:40.719 and higher costs on say, importing steel or other things 2525 02:34:40.799 --> 02:34:44.559 from other countries, and then they have all these regulations 2526 02:34:44.959 --> 02:34:48.399 that impose things like minimum wage and all these things. Well, 2527 02:34:48.559 --> 02:34:50.799 of course they're going to try to find any way 2528 02:34:50.840 --> 02:34:55.239 they possibly can in their production line to lower costs somehow, 2529 02:34:55.399 --> 02:34:58.399 some way. So, now when you've got a government, which 2530 02:34:58.479 --> 02:35:02.520 itself is artificial, counter to what a natural market would 2531 02:35:02.559 --> 02:35:06.079 be doing, bringing people in through the central command and 2532 02:35:06.079 --> 02:35:10.440 control immigration powers. Now they've literally got apps that the 2533 02:35:10.479 --> 02:35:13.399 central government is giving people. They're housing people in New 2534 02:35:13.479 --> 02:35:17.319 York City for free, so they're subsidizing moves in the 2535 02:35:17.399 --> 02:35:20.639 other direction. Of course, so it's just ridiculous. And I 2536 02:35:20.680 --> 02:35:22.719 do think that that's a valid point to bring up. 2537 02:35:23.360 --> 02:35:25.600 I think that's a very good point, and I'd love 2538 02:35:25.639 --> 02:35:27.159 to get your thoughts on that as we and we 2539 02:35:27.239 --> 02:35:29.079 have even more great comments from people. 2540 02:35:29.239 --> 02:35:31.639 Yeah, well, you know, something's related that pops into my mind. 2541 02:35:31.680 --> 02:35:34.520 You probably heard about McDonald's and other fast food chains 2542 02:35:34.520 --> 02:35:37.879 that are trying to automate their stores. Yeah, because it's 2543 02:35:37.920 --> 02:35:39.799 you know, I worked at McDonald's as a teenager back 2544 02:35:39.799 --> 02:35:41.520 in the eighties, and I made three dollars and thirty 2545 02:35:41.520 --> 02:35:43.479 five cents an hour because I was a kid, and 2546 02:35:43.520 --> 02:35:46.520 I was doing a really basic, entry level job operating 2547 02:35:46.559 --> 02:35:48.719 the fry machine like Donald Trump did a week ago, 2548 02:35:49.079 --> 02:35:52.040 you know, and handing people their bags of food. You know, 2549 02:35:52.079 --> 02:35:53.719 it's not a high skilled job, and I'm in no 2550 02:35:53.760 --> 02:35:56.200 way denigrating it. You know, it was a good work experience. 2551 02:35:56.319 --> 02:35:57.719 You know, you learn to show up on time, you 2552 02:35:57.799 --> 02:36:00.280 learn to be responsible. All of these things are good 2553 02:36:00.280 --> 02:36:03.079 and healthy. But it's not supposed to be a career, 2554 02:36:03.399 --> 02:36:05.399 and it's not supposed to be something that can support 2555 02:36:05.399 --> 02:36:08.399 a family. But the government has decreed in some states 2556 02:36:08.399 --> 02:36:10.559 that you have to pay these people what fifteen twenty 2557 02:36:10.600 --> 02:36:14.120 dollars an hour to operate the fry machine. And you 2558 02:36:14.120 --> 02:36:17.600 wonder why a big Mac costs seven dollars. There's a 2559 02:36:17.639 --> 02:36:20.120 reason for this, and it gets to the point of unsustainability. 2560 02:36:20.360 --> 02:36:22.479 It gets to the point where McDonald's even can no 2561 02:36:22.559 --> 02:36:24.840 longer make a profit. When you know, people go through 2562 02:36:24.840 --> 02:36:27.319 the drive through and they buy you a couple of 2563 02:36:27.319 --> 02:36:30.159 burgers and some fries for themselves and their kids, and 2564 02:36:30.200 --> 02:36:34.000 it's fifty bucks. It's sixty bucks for McDonald's. So those 2565 02:36:34.280 --> 02:36:36.959 aals do McDonald's figures out, Well, you know, we just 2566 02:36:36.959 --> 02:36:38.920 can't afford to pay these people anymore. It's not personal, 2567 02:36:39.000 --> 02:36:41.520 they're not trying to be mean. They just can't do it. So, 2568 02:36:41.760 --> 02:36:43.440 you know, they have to. They come up with robots 2569 02:36:43.479 --> 02:36:45.120 and so now you go into the thing and there's 2570 02:36:45.120 --> 02:36:47.120 a kiosk instead of a human being. And the thing 2571 02:36:47.120 --> 02:36:49.680 that really sucks about that is that teenagers like I 2572 02:36:49.840 --> 02:36:51.799 was back in the eighties no longer have access to 2573 02:36:51.840 --> 02:36:55.040 those jobs. They no longer get that first leg into 2574 02:36:55.040 --> 02:36:58.200 the workforce, which, which is unfortunate and tragic, which is 2575 02:36:58.680 --> 02:37:03.120 happens every time when these these these technocratic, busybody people 2576 02:37:03.159 --> 02:37:07.719 that are the government, Uh, interpose themselves in the free market. 2577 02:37:07.959 --> 02:37:09.680 And you know, Eric, one of the things that I 2578 02:37:10.159 --> 02:37:12.719 do want to make sure that I mentioned because involved 2579 02:37:12.760 --> 02:37:16.159 with this, I think are sometimes people have either what 2580 02:37:16.360 --> 02:37:19.239 are soon to be traditional views or they sort of 2581 02:37:19.280 --> 02:37:23.479 have again sort of a normalcy bias towards looking at 2582 02:37:23.479 --> 02:37:26.360 things in a certain way that have been dictated or 2583 02:37:26.520 --> 02:37:29.760 or massaged by politics. So for example, if we're if 2584 02:37:29.760 --> 02:37:35.040 we're talking about uh, the different the different resources one 2585 02:37:35.079 --> 02:37:38.040 needs in the production line for a business or whatever, 2586 02:37:39.040 --> 02:37:41.840 one of the things that people will say is, well, yeah, 2587 02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:45.840 you know, if the government is imposing costs on people 2588 02:37:45.879 --> 02:37:50.840 through minimum wage laws, that will incentivize them to then 2589 02:37:50.879 --> 02:37:53.719 invest in machinery, and those those young people are going 2590 02:37:53.760 --> 02:37:56.559 to be locked out. And the key thing here is 2591 02:37:56.600 --> 02:37:59.959 that either way, the consumer is now having to show 2592 02:38:00.159 --> 02:38:04.040 out more for what the consumer could have gotten for 2593 02:38:04.200 --> 02:38:06.559 less in the past, which is one of the key 2594 02:38:06.639 --> 02:38:09.879 things in James Bouvard's writing in the Fair Trade Fraud, 2595 02:38:10.120 --> 02:38:11.959 one of the key things in great in the nineteenth 2596 02:38:12.000 --> 02:38:15.159 century economists Frederick Bastier what is seen and what has 2597 02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:19.520 not seen, the opportunity costs that government and positions bring. 2598 02:38:19.959 --> 02:38:21.719 And the other thing that I'd like to bring up 2599 02:38:21.799 --> 02:38:25.280 is when in the other direction, you've get the central 2600 02:38:25.360 --> 02:38:29.000 government deciding for everybody what their human interaction is going 2601 02:38:29.040 --> 02:38:31.920 to be, restricting their ability to be able to hire 2602 02:38:32.000 --> 02:38:36.159 someone who might live in Singapore and be providing a 2603 02:38:36.200 --> 02:38:40.120 product because they're putting a tarif on there, or literally 2604 02:38:40.200 --> 02:38:43.760 another human being from coming in to work at his place. 2605 02:38:44.200 --> 02:38:46.440 If they're saying, you know what, we're going to restrict 2606 02:38:46.520 --> 02:38:50.120 your pool of resources. We're going to make it more 2607 02:38:50.120 --> 02:38:52.000 difficult for you to get steel. What does that do 2608 02:38:52.159 --> 02:38:54.319 to the price of steel? It goes up. If we're 2609 02:38:54.360 --> 02:38:57.360 going to restrict your ability to be able to hire employees, 2610 02:38:57.440 --> 02:39:00.000 what does that do to the price of the employee 2611 02:39:00.079 --> 02:39:03.440 line of your production. It's going to go up. So 2612 02:39:03.559 --> 02:39:06.360 we go to Mark Krekorian, and many people admire Mark k. 2613 02:39:06.440 --> 02:39:09.159 Koran from the Center for Immigration Studies, but he was 2614 02:39:09.280 --> 02:39:12.799 utterly wrong. And even Rush Limbaugh said, you know he 2615 02:39:12.920 --> 02:39:15.639 was right. They were both wrong in this case. When 2616 02:39:15.840 --> 02:39:19.719 back during the w. Bush administration they were talking about 2617 02:39:19.959 --> 02:39:25.680 having really strong central authority restrictions on immigration, and Krekorian said, oh, 2618 02:39:25.760 --> 02:39:27.680 this will be great, and I put it in my 2619 02:39:27.760 --> 02:39:30.760 book and look for your die because he said, you know, 2620 02:39:30.920 --> 02:39:35.760 it will push the businesses to have to invest in 2621 02:39:35.799 --> 02:39:38.440 new technology, so over the long run, that'll be fine. 2622 02:39:38.520 --> 02:39:40.680 It's like, look, why don't you leave it up to them? 2623 02:39:41.079 --> 02:39:43.719 Why do you want to increase the cost for their 2624 02:39:43.840 --> 02:39:46.840 labor force so that now the consumer will have less 2625 02:39:46.879 --> 02:39:48.879 money left over because they got to pay more for 2626 02:39:48.920 --> 02:39:51.159 the thing they could have gotten for less before. That 2627 02:39:51.360 --> 02:39:53.959 money would have been invested in a different business that 2628 02:39:54.000 --> 02:39:57.680 would have employed another person. But you and your central authority, 2629 02:39:57.840 --> 02:40:01.200 you're telling people, no, I know better than you. I'm 2630 02:40:01.239 --> 02:40:04.639 going to prevent your freedom of association from hiring someone. 2631 02:40:04.760 --> 02:40:07.559 Where does that stop? Can you hire somebody from outside 2632 02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:10.600 your state? Can you bring somebody in from outside your town? 2633 02:40:10.959 --> 02:40:13.600 Can you bring in a plumber into your house? Or 2634 02:40:13.639 --> 02:40:17.959 should you do all the work yourself? It is, it's insane. 2635 02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:19.600 It's totally ridiculous. 2636 02:40:19.639 --> 02:40:20.319 It's not insane. 2637 02:40:20.360 --> 02:40:21.440 It's self interested. You know. 2638 02:40:21.520 --> 02:40:22.680 Yeah, well, good point. 2639 02:40:22.840 --> 02:40:25.879 You're sting their own interests. And you remember the butterfly 2640 02:40:25.920 --> 02:40:29.719 effect you've heard there. Ye, what you just brought up 2641 02:40:29.799 --> 02:40:32.479 has to do with that. So when I buy something 2642 02:40:32.479 --> 02:40:34.920 that costs more, that means that I have less money 2643 02:40:34.920 --> 02:40:38.319 available to spend on other things. And people don't see that. 2644 02:40:38.680 --> 02:40:41.920 So if I can't spend money, let's say, on oh, 2645 02:40:41.920 --> 02:40:43.520 I don't know something around the house that I might 2646 02:40:43.559 --> 02:40:45.639 want to hire somebody to do. Let's say some electrical 2647 02:40:45.719 --> 02:40:49.879 upgrades or something. That work doesn't get farmed out because 2648 02:40:49.879 --> 02:40:52.760 I can't afford to hire that electrician, So that electrician 2649 02:40:53.079 --> 02:40:56.120 doesn't get paid, he loses the work, he has less money. 2650 02:40:56.120 --> 02:40:59.280 So it just it expands outward forever, you know, in 2651 02:40:59.360 --> 02:41:03.040 this cycle of impoverishment, and you know, to get back 2652 02:41:03.040 --> 02:41:05.719 to this, this whole thing. It really gets my backup 2653 02:41:05.840 --> 02:41:09.319 the way these these these putative do gooders, because they 2654 02:41:09.399 --> 02:41:12.680 like to preen and and posture and and and present 2655 02:41:12.719 --> 02:41:16.479 themselves as the benefactors of humanity, they're nothing of the 2656 02:41:16.600 --> 02:41:20.000 kind they're They're really dark people in my mind. You know, 2657 02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:21.959 some of them are dumb and maybe they don't know better, 2658 02:41:22.000 --> 02:41:24.840 but the smarter ones do, uh, they know what they're 2659 02:41:24.879 --> 02:41:26.680 what the game is, and the game is that they 2660 02:41:26.719 --> 02:41:29.159 get control and power and they reduce us all. 2661 02:41:29.200 --> 02:41:29.319 You know. 2662 02:41:29.360 --> 02:41:31.280 I have this little graphic that I sometimes put up 2663 02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:34.760 with some of my articles called yes a massa, you know, 2664 02:41:34.840 --> 02:41:37.120 and it's it's it's kind of a more coarse way 2665 02:41:37.159 --> 02:41:38.799 of putting what Ann Rand wrote about in a lot 2666 02:41:38.840 --> 02:41:39.399 of her books. 2667 02:41:39.760 --> 02:41:39.959 Uh. 2668 02:41:40.040 --> 02:41:43.079 You know this, this having to cowtow and be obsequious 2669 02:41:43.159 --> 02:41:46.440 before these these people in the government who have power 2670 02:41:46.440 --> 02:41:49.000 over you, and you know you dare not question or 2671 02:41:49.040 --> 02:41:51.040 say anything about it because they can make your life help, 2672 02:41:51.360 --> 02:41:54.120 they can ruin your business, they can really mess things up. 2673 02:41:54.319 --> 02:41:55.920 So you kind of have to. Yes, a mass, I'll 2674 02:41:55.959 --> 02:41:58.920 go along with what you say. You know, you know 2675 02:41:59.000 --> 02:42:01.399 it's it's not as though Abe Lincoln freed the slave, 2676 02:42:02.079 --> 02:42:05.399 an enslave bas all is ultimately what it comes down to. 2677 02:42:05.959 --> 02:42:08.680 Yes, boy, these are great points. And of course, and 2678 02:42:08.719 --> 02:42:12.959 again I'll mention, you know, not to to to focus 2679 02:42:13.280 --> 02:42:16.600 on tariffs uh too much during our conversation, but I 2680 02:42:16.639 --> 02:42:19.079 do want to bring up uh. We often hear the 2681 02:42:19.120 --> 02:42:24.200 line that people say Thomas Jefferson balanced the budget, uh 2682 02:42:24.239 --> 02:42:27.520 and only relied on tariffs, not the excise tax. Inside 2683 02:42:27.520 --> 02:42:29.440 the United States, they didn't have any income tax during 2684 02:42:29.520 --> 02:42:31.879 Jefferson and he said, no man, no man saw the 2685 02:42:31.920 --> 02:42:35.000 tax the taxman. Well, yes, people, a lot of people 2686 02:42:35.000 --> 02:42:37.120 saw the tax man. If you were an importer, you 2687 02:42:37.200 --> 02:42:40.719 saw the tax man. And the fact that some people 2688 02:42:40.719 --> 02:42:43.239 who bought the stuff from the importers who had to 2689 02:42:43.239 --> 02:42:45.920 pay the tariffs and then had to increase their prices. 2690 02:42:46.040 --> 02:42:49.079 Meant that they indirectly saw the tax man. They didn't 2691 02:42:49.079 --> 02:42:52.559 see him directly, but they paid the tax. So this 2692 02:42:52.639 --> 02:42:55.159 is an utter canard. And you bring up the Civil War. 2693 02:42:55.520 --> 02:42:58.319 That was the main driver for the reason why the 2694 02:42:58.360 --> 02:43:00.600 South wanted to get away from the New because they 2695 02:43:00.600 --> 02:43:04.000 were dominating the Congress and they were forcing such high 2696 02:43:04.040 --> 02:43:07.120 tariffs on things that the South could use his imports. 2697 02:43:07.239 --> 02:43:09.040 They were trying to drive the South to buy the 2698 02:43:09.079 --> 02:43:12.719 Northeastern products rather than get them from France or Italy 2699 02:43:12.840 --> 02:43:13.600 or England. 2700 02:43:13.959 --> 02:43:14.159 Yep. 2701 02:43:14.280 --> 02:43:15.959 As Tom do Lorenzo, who I think is one of 2702 02:43:15.959 --> 02:43:20.360 the best writers on this topic, has explained, Lincoln even offered, 2703 02:43:21.000 --> 02:43:23.200 you know, to come to any kind of compromise, provided 2704 02:43:23.239 --> 02:43:26.360 that the South would not depart from the Union, because 2705 02:43:26.360 --> 02:43:28.319 it was about the money. It had nothing to do. 2706 02:43:28.239 --> 02:43:29.159 With the slavery. 2707 02:43:29.239 --> 02:43:31.840 That was the boogeyman. That was the moralizing boogeyman that 2708 02:43:31.879 --> 02:43:35.520 they came up with and which has managed to perpetuate 2709 02:43:35.559 --> 02:43:38.920 itself to this very day. The northern industrial interests that 2710 02:43:39.000 --> 02:43:42.760 control the federal government were crippling the South economically that's 2711 02:43:42.799 --> 02:43:45.000 the bottom line. That's what it was all about. 2712 02:43:45.600 --> 02:43:48.760 Yeah. Yeah, And de Lorenzo's books The Real Lincoln and 2713 02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:52.079 Lincoln Unmasked are phenomenal, and of course his book How 2714 02:43:52.120 --> 02:43:55.799 Capitalism Saved America is also just spot on. Talking about 2715 02:43:55.840 --> 02:43:58.200 as you and I have discussed before, the thousands of 2716 02:43:58.200 --> 02:44:02.040 miles of private, really privately run roads. People say who 2717 02:44:02.079 --> 02:44:05.159 will build the roads, the idea of the toll the 2718 02:44:05.200 --> 02:44:08.520 toll bridges, toll house cookies, and the idea that you're 2719 02:44:08.520 --> 02:44:11.200 not going to take land through eminent domain. If somebody 2720 02:44:11.239 --> 02:44:13.159 wants to build a road, they have to approach you 2721 02:44:13.479 --> 02:44:16.159 and freely ask you if you will take money for 2722 02:44:16.239 --> 02:44:19.399 the land. And businesses had incentives to try to set 2723 02:44:19.440 --> 02:44:22.520 up their own roads and manage them. Well, this is great. Eric. 2724 02:44:22.920 --> 02:44:25.639 Let's talk about what's going on over at Eric petersautos 2725 02:44:25.680 --> 02:44:28.319 dot com and feel free to mention anything else if 2726 02:44:28.319 --> 02:44:30.959 you want to remind people. Again, let's talk about X. 2727 02:44:31.040 --> 02:44:33.360 We can get your X feed out there. It's at 2728 02:44:33.559 --> 02:44:38.000 its Libertarian car g I flashed up on the screen. 2729 02:44:38.040 --> 02:44:40.719 I mean the team here, the team here, flash up 2730 02:44:40.760 --> 02:44:44.719 on the screen. One of your latest articles something else 2731 02:44:44.840 --> 02:44:47.879 about airbags, and I love the picture. It reminds me 2732 02:44:47.920 --> 02:44:49.920 of the old days when I would be with my friends, 2733 02:44:49.920 --> 02:44:52.120 the Leeches, because they used to pick up fix up 2734 02:44:52.159 --> 02:44:56.479 Volkswagen bugs and you know, the stick shift would be there, 2735 02:44:56.600 --> 02:44:58.920 the engine was open behind us and you get it, 2736 02:44:58.920 --> 02:45:01.719 and it would just be a shell like a dune buggy. Yeah, 2737 02:45:01.719 --> 02:45:04.319 and I love that airbag. Tell us about this article 2738 02:45:04.719 --> 02:45:07.799 just published yesterday at Eric Peters Auto's Well. 2739 02:45:08.280 --> 02:45:10.719 It kind of dovetails on what we've been talking about 2740 02:45:10.760 --> 02:45:13.719 in the sense that it's another example of these interpositions 2741 02:45:13.760 --> 02:45:19.440 by these busybodies who make cost value, risk reward judgments 2742 02:45:19.799 --> 02:45:23.040 for us arrogantly. You know, they decide whether something is 2743 02:45:23.079 --> 02:45:25.239 good for us, and never mind that there might be 2744 02:45:25.280 --> 02:45:28.799 some bad aspects to it. In their judgment, the overall 2745 02:45:28.879 --> 02:45:34.040 goodness of it justifies imposing costs and risks on everybody. 2746 02:45:34.079 --> 02:45:35.040 That's just the way it is. 2747 02:45:35.079 --> 02:45:35.280 You know. 2748 02:45:35.360 --> 02:45:37.639 The kind of arrogance is behind that is something that 2749 02:45:37.680 --> 02:45:40.159 I find difficult to understand, and you probably do too. 2750 02:45:40.639 --> 02:45:40.799 You know. 2751 02:45:40.840 --> 02:45:44.319 I think people adults ought to be free to form 2752 02:45:44.319 --> 02:45:47.479 their own judgments about risks and reward and cost and benefit, 2753 02:45:47.719 --> 02:45:49.440 because after all, they're the ones who pay for both 2754 02:45:49.479 --> 02:45:51.399 of those things. You know at the end of the day. 2755 02:45:51.440 --> 02:45:55.120 And I think it's presumptive and evil to take that 2756 02:45:55.239 --> 02:45:57.680 choice away from somebody, because effectively, you're saying, well, I 2757 02:45:57.680 --> 02:45:59.879 don't I'm going to just I'm going to do this thing, 2758 02:46:00.120 --> 02:46:01.719 make you do it, and if you get hurt, well, 2759 02:46:01.719 --> 02:46:05.040 too bad. I've decided so to get into this airbag thing. 2760 02:46:05.079 --> 02:46:07.440 You know, the federal government has been requiring airbags and 2761 02:46:07.479 --> 02:46:12.000 new vehicles since the nineties. And the thing with airbags 2762 02:46:12.120 --> 02:46:14.479 is well, one of the things. Is it like any 2763 02:46:15.040 --> 02:46:17.520 any apparatus, and it's not just airbags, it's a system. 2764 02:46:17.520 --> 02:46:19.920 It's people have to understand that. It's not just the bag. 2765 02:46:20.280 --> 02:46:23.360 There's an inflator, there's wiring, there's sensors, all these things 2766 02:46:23.399 --> 02:46:25.799 that go out throughout the car. Well, like any other 2767 02:46:25.879 --> 02:46:30.639 mechanical electrical system, Eventually, over time they deteriorate, parts stop working, 2768 02:46:30.680 --> 02:46:32.840 things stop failed, they fail, and you know, then they 2769 02:46:32.840 --> 02:46:35.239 don't work. And with airbags that can be a big problem. 2770 02:46:35.639 --> 02:46:37.600 You know, the thing might just explode in your face. 2771 02:46:37.639 --> 02:46:41.799 That's happened, or it might not work at all. A 2772 02:46:41.840 --> 02:46:44.000 few years ago, I was pulling through one of the 2773 02:46:44.000 --> 02:46:45.799 owner's manuals for one of the new cars that I 2774 02:46:45.879 --> 02:46:49.479 testroy and it's set in the back and that the 2775 02:46:49.959 --> 02:46:55.120 airbag system should be replaced after twelve years because of 2776 02:46:55.159 --> 02:47:00.440 safety safety considerations. And that's true, because this is becomes 2777 02:47:00.479 --> 02:47:02.360 unreliable the older it gets. You've got a lot of 2778 02:47:02.399 --> 02:47:04.639 vehicles on the road that are now in daily service 2779 02:47:04.680 --> 02:47:07.159 that are fifteen twenty years old. Because cars are pretty 2780 02:47:07.159 --> 02:47:10.719 reliable now, the potentially have these airbags in them that 2781 02:47:10.840 --> 02:47:13.440 are unsafe. And this goes beyond the defective airbags that 2782 02:47:13.440 --> 02:47:16.239 everybody has heard about that involve millions and millions of 2783 02:47:16.319 --> 02:47:21.520 vehicles that have been manufactured over the past twenty years. Well, 2784 02:47:21.600 --> 02:47:25.079 if the federal Safety apparatu is so very concerned about 2785 02:47:25.079 --> 02:47:28.920 our safety, why don't they do something about that? And 2786 02:47:28.959 --> 02:47:31.959 they don't, of course, because it's situational, it's arbitrary, and 2787 02:47:32.000 --> 02:47:35.159 they're not really concerned about safety. What they're concerned about 2788 02:47:35.440 --> 02:47:39.360 is their authority. Really good example, during this Takata airbag 2789 02:47:39.479 --> 02:47:43.319 fiasco that's still undoing, because there's so many vehicles with 2790 02:47:43.360 --> 02:47:46.600 these defective airbags that it's going to take years to 2791 02:47:46.680 --> 02:47:49.040 get them through the dealerships, you know, to get the 2792 02:47:49.079 --> 02:47:52.280 old air bags taken out and the new ones put 2793 02:47:52.280 --> 02:47:55.000 in these things. It's just it's a matter of throughput 2794 02:47:55.319 --> 02:47:58.040 and flow. Well, the government can sees that these air 2795 02:47:58.040 --> 02:48:01.040 bags are dangerous and defective. They've said so publicly. They 2796 02:48:01.200 --> 02:48:04.200 still will not permit people who are waiting for a 2797 02:48:04.239 --> 02:48:06.639 dealer to give them an appointment that might take six months, 2798 02:48:06.680 --> 02:48:08.280 a year, who knows how long it's going to take. 2799 02:48:08.559 --> 02:48:12.079 They won't even permit them to have a temporary off 2800 02:48:12.120 --> 02:48:14.799 switch or disabled a system for the period of time 2801 02:48:14.840 --> 02:48:17.399 that it takes to get the car in to get 2802 02:48:17.399 --> 02:48:20.120 the air bag replaced. Why is that we're so very 2803 02:48:20.120 --> 02:48:21.280 concerned about our safety. 2804 02:48:21.440 --> 02:48:25.000 That's maniacal. That's like when Lady Dole was pushing these 2805 02:48:25.040 --> 02:48:28.159 things onto people and they were, you know, breaking the 2806 02:48:28.200 --> 02:48:30.079 necks of little kids who were in the front seat. 2807 02:48:30.399 --> 02:48:33.120 Yes, exactly. And to get back when we talked about 2808 02:48:33.159 --> 02:48:35.680 this when I first came on with you, the engineers 2809 02:48:35.799 --> 02:48:39.200 told that to these people at the Regulatory apper At. 2810 02:48:39.239 --> 02:48:42.239 They said, look, they were insisting. The regulatory appra At 2811 02:48:42.280 --> 02:48:44.399 was telling the automakers that you have to make the 2812 02:48:44.440 --> 02:48:47.360 airbags deploy with a certain force that assumes an adult 2813 02:48:47.399 --> 02:48:50.719 male in the seat. And they came back and said, well, 2814 02:48:50.760 --> 02:48:53.479 you know not everybody's an adult male of a certain stature. 2815 02:48:53.479 --> 02:48:56.399 There are old people who are frail, there are kids, 2816 02:48:56.719 --> 02:48:59.159 There are women who are small stature, a small bones. 2817 02:49:00.239 --> 02:49:02.000 You know, if this bag deploys with the force that 2818 02:49:02.079 --> 02:49:05.399 might be necessary to cushion a two hundred pounds man 2819 02:49:05.840 --> 02:49:07.600 and the person in the seat is one hundred and 2820 02:49:07.639 --> 02:49:10.200 twenty pounds, you know, you could result that that could 2821 02:49:10.440 --> 02:49:12.879 could you know, could break their neck or smash their 2822 02:49:12.920 --> 02:49:15.239 facial bones. And it has and it did. They don't care. 2823 02:49:15.840 --> 02:49:17.719 They don't care. Keep in mind, these are the same 2824 02:49:17.760 --> 02:49:20.879 people who pushed the safe and effective drugs on people. 2825 02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:23.479 And they knew it. They knew it before anything happened. 2826 02:49:23.479 --> 02:49:26.360 They had their own internal studies. They knew about the milecarditis, 2827 02:49:26.799 --> 02:49:29.040 they knew about the bells palsy, they knew. 2828 02:49:28.840 --> 02:49:29.719 About all these things. 2829 02:49:29.840 --> 02:49:32.760 They don't care. And if there's a working definition of 2830 02:49:32.799 --> 02:49:36.760 a psychopath, that's it, isn't it somebody who's conscious and 2831 02:49:36.879 --> 02:49:39.479 knowing that what they're trying to make you do is 2832 02:49:39.520 --> 02:49:42.639 going to hurt you possibly, and they don't care. There's 2833 02:49:42.639 --> 02:49:45.399 no empathy, there's no there's no remorse, there's no guilt. 2834 02:49:45.719 --> 02:49:48.399 That's right, And it gets even worse oftentimes as we 2835 02:49:48.479 --> 02:49:51.879 see with Protera, and brought it up Jennifer Grant Home 2836 02:49:52.000 --> 02:49:55.559 and how she was governor of Michigan and then during 2837 02:49:55.559 --> 02:49:59.000 the Obama administration, they had the so called American Recovery Act, 2838 02:49:59.200 --> 02:50:03.040 utterly on const institutional and morally handing out billions of dollars. 2839 02:50:03.200 --> 02:50:07.760 GM got, you know, millions and millions of dollars and 2840 02:50:08.239 --> 02:50:11.120 billions of dollars actually, and she was able to get 2841 02:50:11.319 --> 02:50:14.200 a six million broken off for this company, Protero, when 2842 02:50:14.200 --> 02:50:16.719 she was governor, and then when she left the governorship, 2843 02:50:16.760 --> 02:50:18.920 they brought her on their board. Then they gave her 2844 02:50:19.000 --> 02:50:22.159 stock options when she left the board, and she cashed 2845 02:50:22.200 --> 02:50:25.360 those in a few weeks before they declared bankruptcy and 2846 02:50:25.440 --> 02:50:27.520 she made three million bucks. Almost. 2847 02:50:27.719 --> 02:50:30.479 Yeah, I mean, they're pretty rotten scoundrels, but they're not funny, 2848 02:50:30.559 --> 02:50:32.200 you know, in the way that the movie. 2849 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:35.920 Was so true. And you bring up a very important 2850 02:50:35.959 --> 02:50:39.159 practical point here. I'd love to show this from the website. Everybody, 2851 02:50:39.159 --> 02:50:42.600 our guest is Eric Peters. Go to Eric petersautos dot com, 2852 02:50:42.920 --> 02:50:45.239 follow him on x if you get the opportunity to 2853 02:50:45.280 --> 02:50:47.559 open up a tab, check him out, come right back. 2854 02:50:47.920 --> 02:50:49.959 Do it. After the show whatever you can here in 2855 02:50:50.000 --> 02:50:53.920 the David Knight program. He is at Libertarian Car g 2856 02:50:54.639 --> 02:50:57.079 But you bring this up, you say, it would probably 2857 02:50:57.120 --> 02:51:00.360 cost at least three thousand dollars to have the himber 2858 02:51:00.399 --> 02:51:04.799 and front passenger airbags and all related components replaced. The 2859 02:51:04.879 --> 02:51:08.239 truck is maybe worth four thousand dollars. This is why 2860 02:51:08.319 --> 02:51:12.079 so many otherwise mechanically sound older vehicles like my truck 2861 02:51:12.239 --> 02:51:15.920 are declared total losses after an accident that results in 2862 02:51:15.959 --> 02:51:19.079 the deployment of the airbags, even though the vehicle is 2863 02:51:19.360 --> 02:51:23.719 or rather would be otherwise reparable. But the air bags 2864 02:51:23.920 --> 02:51:28.559 must be replaced because if not, the vehicle isn't legal 2865 02:51:28.799 --> 02:51:34.239 to operate on the government's roads. Just incredible, It's just 2866 02:51:35.120 --> 02:51:38.879 and you know again, it's like the seatboat. You say 2867 02:51:38.879 --> 02:51:43.280 to yourself, who am I harming outside of this vehicle? 2868 02:51:43.840 --> 02:51:47.920 If I don't do this inside the vehicle, no one, 2869 02:51:47.360 --> 02:51:50.520 no one, Why are you telling me that you are? 2870 02:51:50.680 --> 02:51:54.520 You are now just the very thought of telling me 2871 02:51:55.319 --> 02:51:58.520 what to do peacefully in my car is a thought 2872 02:51:58.600 --> 02:52:01.079 of aggression. So stop it. 2873 02:52:01.319 --> 02:52:03.520 Well, what they come back with, and I'm sure you've 2874 02:52:03.520 --> 02:52:07.719 heard this, society will pay those sorts. Of course, that's 2875 02:52:07.719 --> 02:52:10.680 a hypothetical discirted harm in the first place, it hasn't 2876 02:52:10.719 --> 02:52:14.959 actually happened. But it's also completely arbitrary. What about the 2877 02:52:15.000 --> 02:52:17.959 pot belly cop who's arterio sclerotic, who pulls you over 2878 02:52:18.040 --> 02:52:20.239 to issue you a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt. 2879 02:52:20.319 --> 02:52:22.639 What about the costs he's going to impose on society 2880 02:52:22.680 --> 02:52:24.680 when he finally keels over from heart attack. 2881 02:52:25.079 --> 02:52:27.319 Yeah, yeah, absolutely completely arbitrary. 2882 02:52:27.440 --> 02:52:29.319 They tell me I have to wear a helmet when 2883 02:52:29.360 --> 02:52:31.319 I ride my motorcycle, but it's okay if I wear 2884 02:52:31.319 --> 02:52:34.000 a T shirt and shorts and flip flops. 2885 02:52:34.360 --> 02:52:38.639 And it's amazing because private insurance and if you actually 2886 02:52:38.680 --> 02:52:41.760 were free to get private health insurance or car insurance, 2887 02:52:42.120 --> 02:52:44.719 they offer incentives to people. You don't have to take it. 2888 02:52:44.719 --> 02:52:46.360 If you don't want it. You might pay a little 2889 02:52:46.360 --> 02:52:50.959 more if you're a smoking, skydiving, you know, heroin user, 2890 02:52:52.159 --> 02:52:55.159 and you might pay less if you're you know, exercise 2891 02:52:55.280 --> 02:52:57.319 and eat well in that sort of stuff, or if 2892 02:52:57.319 --> 02:53:00.200 you're a safe driver, they'll incentivize that. But once they 2893 02:53:00.200 --> 02:53:03.840 collectivize everything and give you the we all pay canard, 2894 02:53:03.959 --> 02:53:07.239 you get England where literally they're telling people, you know what, 2895 02:53:07.600 --> 02:53:10.200 you're obese, So We're going to put you on the 2896 02:53:10.239 --> 02:53:13.399 waiting list for elective surgery. You smoke. We're gonna put 2897 02:53:13.440 --> 02:53:15.799 you on the waiting list for elective surgery, even though 2898 02:53:15.799 --> 02:53:17.319 you have the money to pay, even though you are 2899 02:53:17.319 --> 02:53:20.319 an intense pain, even though we don't know the circumstances 2900 02:53:20.360 --> 02:53:23.280 of your life. It's all collectivists now. It's the National 2901 02:53:23.319 --> 02:53:29.079 Health System, and God forbid anybody ever speak against the NHS. 2902 02:53:28.799 --> 02:53:31.399 Right, Yeah, And it takes away agency. You know, it's 2903 02:53:31.399 --> 02:53:35.520 insufferable to know that even if you yourself are responsible. 2904 02:53:35.719 --> 02:53:39.319 For example, I don't cause accidents. I've had no claims 2905 02:53:39.319 --> 02:53:42.120 filed against me in thirty years. I'm a good driver. 2906 02:53:42.639 --> 02:53:45.520 So why am I responsible for an accident that some 2907 02:53:45.639 --> 02:53:48.399 other person who I don't even know has that causes 2908 02:53:48.440 --> 02:53:50.920 the insurance company to jack up my premiums that I 2909 02:53:50.959 --> 02:53:51.760 can't say no to. 2910 02:53:52.280 --> 02:53:52.760 Oh great? 2911 02:53:53.000 --> 02:53:53.239 Yah know? 2912 02:53:53.319 --> 02:53:56.040 And this is this is, this is across the spectrum. 2913 02:53:55.799 --> 02:53:58.600 I believe it's very important that each of us be 2914 02:53:59.319 --> 02:54:02.239 able to re both the rewards and the responsibilities for 2915 02:54:02.319 --> 02:54:05.120 our own actions. So if I choose to drive my 2916 02:54:05.239 --> 02:54:08.079 car without a seat belt, Let's say, and I get 2917 02:54:08.079 --> 02:54:10.719 into an accident and I'm badly injured because I didn't 2918 02:54:10.719 --> 02:54:13.520 wear my seatbelt. That's my problem, that is. 2919 02:54:13.520 --> 02:54:16.959 Not your problem. Yeah, oh yeah. And of course one 2920 02:54:16.959 --> 02:54:20.520 of the major things is before they collectivize a particular 2921 02:54:20.559 --> 02:54:23.799 insurance system. They did this with health insurance, they'll say, well, 2922 02:54:23.799 --> 02:54:27.000 look at these health insurance companies. They're cherry picking. They're 2923 02:54:27.079 --> 02:54:30.879 charging some people more who are higher risks, Like duh, 2924 02:54:30.959 --> 02:54:34.559 that's because they're higher risk. But then they wanted put 2925 02:54:34.600 --> 02:54:38.159 into the government sphere. And I literally have Tom brokaw on. 2926 02:54:39.520 --> 02:54:41.440 I had an audio recording of him when he was 2927 02:54:41.479 --> 02:54:44.520 on Meet the Press with Doris Kerns. I've plagiarized, but 2928 02:54:44.639 --> 02:54:48.840 I'm blaming other people. Goodwin when they were on there 2929 02:54:48.879 --> 02:54:52.479 and they said, he said, well, you know, government's going 2930 02:54:52.559 --> 02:54:53.840 to have to pick and choose. We're going to have 2931 02:54:53.879 --> 02:54:57.760 to make decisions. So they excoriate the private business and 2932 02:54:57.799 --> 02:55:01.399 you don't have to do business with them for incentivizing 2933 02:55:01.440 --> 02:55:05.000 better behavior and charging more for reckless behavior. But then 2934 02:55:05.000 --> 02:55:07.719 when it becomes the government system, well you know, we're 2935 02:55:07.760 --> 02:55:10.000 going to have to make decisions. Here they engage in 2936 02:55:10.040 --> 02:55:13.600 the exact activity that they slam the private people for doing, 2937 02:55:13.639 --> 02:55:16.840 but now it's imposed on everybody and we're all paying 2938 02:55:16.879 --> 02:55:17.319 for it. 2939 02:55:17.319 --> 02:55:20.280 It's imposed and it's indirect, you know, with regard to 2940 02:55:20.280 --> 02:55:24.559 private transactions. For example, before Obamacare came along, a healthy guy, 2941 02:55:24.959 --> 02:55:27.760 if he wanted to, could buy a very high deductible 2942 02:55:28.760 --> 02:55:32.959 catastrophic care policy because he didn't need any regular medical care. 2943 02:55:33.239 --> 02:55:35.239 And you know, maybe it would be nice to know that, Okay, 2944 02:55:35.280 --> 02:55:37.479 in case, let's say I get into a really bad 2945 02:55:37.520 --> 02:55:40.079 car accident or I have a heart attack, some random 2946 02:55:40.159 --> 02:55:43.360 unforeseen event. I'll be covered for that, but everything else, 2947 02:55:43.360 --> 02:55:45.120 I'm just going to pay out a pocket And that 2948 02:55:45.479 --> 02:55:49.440 was very affordable after Obamacare, like I have to if 2949 02:55:49.440 --> 02:55:51.719 I were to get my I'm a self employed person. 2950 02:55:51.719 --> 02:55:54.360 If I were to get a policy through this government 2951 02:55:54.399 --> 02:55:56.760 riggan role system, I have to pay for idiot things 2952 02:55:56.760 --> 02:55:59.600 that I have no need for, like substance abuse, comp 2953 02:56:00.079 --> 02:56:02.799 counseling and treatment. I don't have to use substances. I 2954 02:56:02.799 --> 02:56:05.639 don't need, uh, maternity care. I'm a man, and I 2955 02:56:05.639 --> 02:56:08.680 don't have any kids. I don't need maternity care, you know, so, 2956 02:56:08.760 --> 02:56:10.719 and that's why the cost is so exorbitant, and that's 2957 02:56:10.719 --> 02:56:13.559 why I just continue to not have it, and you know, 2958 02:56:13.680 --> 02:56:15.399 just just take care of myself and if I have 2959 02:56:15.440 --> 02:56:17.200 to pay for anything, I pay for it out of pocket. 2960 02:56:17.639 --> 02:56:22.600 Absolutely. We have a number of of uh comments. I 2961 02:56:22.680 --> 02:56:25.120 just want to uh the team here. Uh we've got 2962 02:56:25.159 --> 02:56:32.280 over on X We've got restaurant Portugal. Uh says we're 2963 02:56:32.399 --> 02:56:35.879 under occupation, a de facto government, a fake one, so 2964 02:56:36.000 --> 02:56:41.559 people need permission to do everything because we're under military rule. 2965 02:56:41.920 --> 02:56:44.920 And uh then they have the little correction there. Yeah. 2966 02:56:44.959 --> 02:56:52.319 And also we've got this here, uh cold cold one 2967 02:56:52.399 --> 02:56:57.799 digital bingo. They don't care and uh profit the politicians 2968 02:56:57.879 --> 02:57:00.600 will work with anybody they can to make profit. Also 2969 02:57:00.719 --> 02:57:03.840 in Rockvin, I want to thank everybody for being there, 2970 02:57:03.920 --> 02:57:08.520 and Octo Spook says I would have Abraham Lincoln as 2971 02:57:08.559 --> 02:57:10.319 governor of Minnesota. 2972 02:57:11.200 --> 02:57:13.280 Actually probably be an improvement over Tim Walls. 2973 02:57:15.719 --> 02:57:18.680 And I want to thank Also, we had a monthly 2974 02:57:18.719 --> 02:57:22.440 subscriber a new add on from Michelle Obaman over in 2975 02:57:22.520 --> 02:57:26.360 Michigan on Rumble in the fruit striped gum colors of Rumble. 2976 02:57:27.239 --> 02:57:30.079 Just great. I really appreciate you joining up and helping 2977 02:57:30.079 --> 02:57:33.000 out the David Knight Show. That way, Eric, you've got 2978 02:57:33.040 --> 02:57:34.920 a really good piece over on your site. And well 2979 02:57:35.000 --> 02:57:37.639 let's round things off with this. This is the latest 2980 02:57:37.680 --> 02:57:40.159 one I mean literally just came out. I think maybe 2981 02:57:40.239 --> 02:57:43.399 just before a while I was on the Worst Yeah, 2982 02:57:43.479 --> 02:57:45.680 the worst tax. Tell us about this. 2983 02:57:46.120 --> 02:57:49.239 Yeah, Well, you know, in our circles, conservative libertarian circles, 2984 02:57:49.680 --> 02:57:53.559 people often excoriate the income tax. And I'm no fan 2985 02:57:53.639 --> 02:57:55.680 of the income tax at all, but I think the 2986 02:57:55.680 --> 02:57:59.040 property tax is worse. And what do I mean by that, Well, 2987 02:57:59.079 --> 02:58:03.479 the property tax precludes the possibility of ownership of practically 2988 02:58:03.520 --> 02:58:06.879 anything other than perhaps to close on your back. You know, 2989 02:58:06.920 --> 02:58:09.040 we are allowed the fiction that we own our homes, 2990 02:58:09.040 --> 02:58:11.239 but we don't. Even if you've paid off the lender, 2991 02:58:11.280 --> 02:58:13.440 you've paid off the mortgage company, you're still obliged to 2992 02:58:13.440 --> 02:58:17.719 pay what amounts to rent in perpetuity to your local government. 2993 02:58:17.760 --> 02:58:20.440 That's what the property taxes. And it has the effect 2994 02:58:20.520 --> 02:58:24.040 of rendering you economically insecure because you constantly have to 2995 02:58:24.079 --> 02:58:27.040 generate income in order to pay the taxes for the 2996 02:58:27.040 --> 02:58:29.479 most part, unless you're lucky enough to be so affluent 2997 02:58:29.479 --> 02:58:32.280 that you have enough savings to cover those taxes for 2998 02:58:32.319 --> 02:58:35.040 the rest of your natural life, which most people simply don't. 2999 02:58:36.360 --> 02:58:39.319 So it's really vicious, you know, it prevents, it precludes 3000 02:58:39.360 --> 02:58:42.600 the thing that probably in my opinion, would define a 3001 02:58:42.680 --> 02:58:44.959 free person in a free society more than anything, which 3002 02:58:45.000 --> 02:58:47.079 is to have a freehold, to have your piece of land, 3003 02:58:47.440 --> 02:58:49.920 your home that's yours once you paid for it. You know. 3004 02:58:49.920 --> 02:58:53.000 I'm saying, once you've done that, that even if you 3005 02:58:53.040 --> 02:58:55.360 lost your job, even if there were an economic downturn, 3006 02:58:55.440 --> 02:58:58.120 well you've got your house, you know. And that's a 3007 02:58:58.319 --> 02:59:01.040 very nice feeling to know. I've got a place to live, 3008 02:59:01.120 --> 02:59:03.360 My family has got a roof over its head. We 3009 02:59:03.440 --> 02:59:07.280 can get by. But what they're doing with this is 3010 02:59:07.360 --> 02:59:09.799 just constantly bleeding people. And I think one of the 3011 02:59:09.799 --> 02:59:12.000 most egregious aspects of it. You know, people who bought 3012 02:59:12.000 --> 02:59:14.479 a house, say thirty years ago, and they let's say 3013 02:59:14.479 --> 02:59:16.840 they bought a house for one hundred and twenty thousand 3014 02:59:16.840 --> 02:59:19.079 dollars thirty years ago, and they figure, well, we can 3015 02:59:19.079 --> 02:59:22.000 afford one hundred twenty thousand dollars house. Well fast forward 3016 02:59:22.040 --> 02:59:23.799 twenty or thirty years and now the county says your 3017 02:59:23.840 --> 02:59:26.639 house is worth half a million dollars, and you know 3018 02:59:26.760 --> 02:59:28.399 they're going to tax them on that, and they haven't 3019 02:59:28.399 --> 02:59:30.600 got the budget for it. And now they're older, so 3020 02:59:30.639 --> 02:59:33.239 they're literally driving people out of their homes, out of 3021 02:59:33.239 --> 02:59:36.360 homes that they have paid for. It's beyond despicable that 3022 02:59:36.440 --> 02:59:38.840 this thing exists. There is some good news, though, and 3023 02:59:38.840 --> 02:59:41.440 that's what the article's about. In North Dakota, there's a 3024 02:59:41.440 --> 02:59:44.959 ballot initiative that will give the voters the opportunity to 3025 02:59:45.040 --> 02:59:48.479 get rid of the property tax. Now, whether it passes 3026 02:59:48.559 --> 02:59:50.000 or not, we're going to find out. But I think 3027 02:59:50.040 --> 02:59:52.239 it's wonderful that that's on the ballot in a state. 3028 02:59:52.600 --> 02:59:55.079 It sets a great precedent and it gets people talking 3029 02:59:55.120 --> 02:59:57.959 and thinking, and you know, I hope that that spreads 3030 02:59:58.000 --> 02:59:59.159 and we'll see. 3031 02:59:59.079 --> 03:00:02.840 That would be great North Dakota. And you know, philosophically, 3032 03:00:03.159 --> 03:00:07.120 it really is just a modern form of serfdom. Your 3033 03:00:07.120 --> 03:00:09.840 property is not your own, and they use all these excuses. 3034 03:00:09.879 --> 03:00:12.079 And you have part of this in your piece about 3035 03:00:12.280 --> 03:00:16.000 the government run schools. They somehow take it as an offense. 3036 03:00:16.639 --> 03:00:19.559 If you say, you know, I'd like to be left alone, 3037 03:00:19.719 --> 03:00:22.239 why don't you leave me alone and stop coming up 3038 03:00:22.239 --> 03:00:27.159 with all these so called justifications and spurious rationales that 3039 03:00:27.239 --> 03:00:30.360 tell me I have to pay You say, you must 3040 03:00:30.399 --> 03:00:35.120 pay rent so that the government can school other people's kids, 3041 03:00:35.479 --> 03:00:39.799 on the hypothesis that you obtained some vague benefit. Thereby 3042 03:00:40.280 --> 03:00:44.280 never mind that these government schools regularly fail to school 3043 03:00:44.360 --> 03:00:48.399 these other people's kids who graduate from government schools both 3044 03:00:48.799 --> 03:00:52.680 enumerate and illiterate as well as ignorant. They are cognitive 3045 03:00:52.760 --> 03:00:58.440 capabilities crippled by rote memorization and obedience training. Yes, I'll 3046 03:00:58.479 --> 03:01:00.440 hail the government school right. 3047 03:01:00.319 --> 03:01:03.159 It's true. It would be less egregious if they actually 3048 03:01:03.200 --> 03:01:07.879 turned out literate, numerate, cognitively competent people. But they don't, 3049 03:01:08.280 --> 03:01:09.559 and everybody knows this. 3050 03:01:09.879 --> 03:01:12.399 And the principle of it is still the same. They're 3051 03:01:12.440 --> 03:01:15.200 still forcing you to do it, and of course that 3052 03:01:15.399 --> 03:01:18.360 predicate of the force is what opens the door to 3053 03:01:18.399 --> 03:01:21.360 the lack of practical capacity for it to do a 3054 03:01:21.399 --> 03:01:25.399 good job, because they always have the ability to take 3055 03:01:25.440 --> 03:01:28.639 your cash and to take your property if you won't pay. 3056 03:01:28.959 --> 03:01:32.360 And everything's inverted to you know, if a parent is 3057 03:01:32.399 --> 03:01:35.479 concerned about the education of their child, well you empower 3058 03:01:35.559 --> 03:01:37.840 that parent by having that parent be responsible for their 3059 03:01:37.920 --> 03:01:42.600 child and finding and paying for tutors and teachers and 3060 03:01:42.639 --> 03:01:45.280 so on, which they then have some control over because 3061 03:01:45.319 --> 03:01:49.000 they're paying for it. It turns out that the person 3062 03:01:49.000 --> 03:01:51.799 who they hired to teach their kid math is incompetent, 3063 03:01:51.959 --> 03:01:54.719 they can fire that person. Good luck firing the math 3064 03:01:54.760 --> 03:01:57.680 teacher at the government school who's incompetent and can't teach 3065 03:01:57.680 --> 03:01:59.799 your kid to add and subtract. 3066 03:02:00.399 --> 03:02:03.440 And they don't even You know, it's interesting as well, Eric, 3067 03:02:03.479 --> 03:02:07.600 because competency, quality, those are all assessments we need to 3068 03:02:07.639 --> 03:02:12.159 make and then express our opinions and satisfaction through our 3069 03:02:12.280 --> 03:02:15.959 own choice over our own money. The minute somebody decides 3070 03:02:15.959 --> 03:02:17.719 for you how your money is being spent, they've taken 3071 03:02:17.760 --> 03:02:20.399 away your volition to show what you think is quality. 3072 03:02:20.559 --> 03:02:22.520 There's Eric, I know I want to get into before 3073 03:02:22.559 --> 03:02:25.360 I have a Biden moment and forget it. Yeah, and 3074 03:02:25.440 --> 03:02:27.440 it is this. I think it's a philosophical thing, and 3075 03:02:27.559 --> 03:02:31.120 I think it's really worth considering. All of this stuff 3076 03:02:31.120 --> 03:02:33.760 has a very insidious effect in that it makes us 3077 03:02:33.840 --> 03:02:36.319 kind of enemies of each other or suspicious of each other. 3078 03:02:36.600 --> 03:02:40.040 If you take away the government interpositions, and we're free 3079 03:02:40.040 --> 03:02:42.879 to make our own choices and free to not do 3080 03:02:42.959 --> 03:02:44.879 business with people that we don't want to do business with. 3081 03:02:44.920 --> 03:02:47.559 All of a sudden, we don't dislike our neighbors in 3082 03:02:47.600 --> 03:02:49.840 the same way that we do now. You know, when 3083 03:02:49.879 --> 03:02:52.040 I drive down the route and I see a Harris 3084 03:02:52.079 --> 03:02:55.200 Wallts thing in front of one of my neighbor's houses. 3085 03:02:55.319 --> 03:02:57.840 I get annoyed because I think, you know, they're saying 3086 03:02:57.840 --> 03:02:59.319 that they want to take more of my money and 3087 03:02:59.360 --> 03:03:02.399 they want to great control over my life. Yeah, if 3088 03:03:02.399 --> 03:03:03.920 we didn't have that element in it, I might not 3089 03:03:04.120 --> 03:03:06.120 like them. I might not invite them over for you know, 3090 03:03:06.200 --> 03:03:07.600 for a meal or to have a beer with me. 3091 03:03:07.959 --> 03:03:08.760 But live and let live. 3092 03:03:08.799 --> 03:03:10.280 They do their thing, I do mine, and you know, 3093 03:03:10.280 --> 03:03:13.200 we're not at friction at odds with each other. But 3094 03:03:13.239 --> 03:03:15.440 the reason our society has become so frictious, and the 3095 03:03:15.479 --> 03:03:18.600 reason everybody's so angry and upset, is because everybody is 3096 03:03:18.680 --> 03:03:20.920 using the state in one way or another to you know, 3097 03:03:21.040 --> 03:03:22.760 to fleece people. And if you're not doing that, you're 3098 03:03:22.760 --> 03:03:24.520 trying to protect yourself from being fleeced. 3099 03:03:25.040 --> 03:03:27.479 Absolutely, you know. I've mentioned it a couple of times 3100 03:03:27.479 --> 03:03:30.200 this week on Liberty Conspiracy. As Frederick Bosti has said, 3101 03:03:30.200 --> 03:03:33.040 the state is that great fiction by which everyone tries 3102 03:03:33.079 --> 03:03:35.280 to live off of everyone else, and it just causes 3103 03:03:35.319 --> 03:03:39.799 dissension and argumentation and anger. And yeah, I see those 3104 03:03:39.840 --> 03:03:41.799 signs from various people, and I say, oh, you're putting 3105 03:03:41.799 --> 03:03:43.600 a sign in your yard that says you're a predator. 3106 03:03:44.000 --> 03:03:45.239 You want to you want to mess with that? 3107 03:03:45.360 --> 03:03:45.600 Great? 3108 03:03:45.959 --> 03:03:46.159 Right? 3109 03:03:46.639 --> 03:03:51.920 Yeah? Oh this is yeah, yeah. I I can't wait 3110 03:03:51.959 --> 03:03:54.200 to get you back on liberty conspiracy. That'll be great. 3111 03:03:54.239 --> 03:03:56.479 And thank you for joining me on this Friday edition 3112 03:03:56.520 --> 03:03:59.840 of The David Night Show. And I really appreciated Eric. 3113 03:04:00.280 --> 03:04:03.040 You are, of course, one of the great scholars out there, 3114 03:04:03.120 --> 03:04:06.200 and practically every day you're on the road checking these 3115 03:04:06.239 --> 03:04:08.600 things out and fighting for freedom. So thanks, brother, I 3116 03:04:08.600 --> 03:04:12.920 appreciate you, appreciate having Oh absolutely, we're gonna give you 3117 03:04:12.959 --> 03:04:15.440 our our going away. As we get ready to round 3118 03:04:15.440 --> 03:04:19.920 off the program with of course the Star Trek mind 3119 03:04:19.959 --> 03:04:23.760 melt to say farewell. Thanks Eric. We'll talk to you Segar. 3120 03:04:24.319 --> 03:04:26.280 All right, I must try to mind meld. 3121 03:04:36.600 --> 03:04:48.159 Entity ends. Minds are merging, doctor, Our minds are one. 3122 03:04:50.159 --> 03:04:51.799 I feel what you feel. 3123 03:04:53.520 --> 03:04:54.879 I know what you know. 3124 03:04:59.159 --> 03:04:59.520 Ah. 3125 03:04:59.600 --> 03:05:04.639 Yes, good stuff from of course the mighty folks from 3126 03:05:04.719 --> 03:05:07.959 Star Trek. I enjoyed my time at Star Trek Voyager 3127 03:05:08.000 --> 03:05:10.040 and I enjoyed my time here on The David Night 3128 03:05:10.079 --> 03:05:13.239 Show filling it for David. There's so many stories I 3129 03:05:13.239 --> 03:05:15.920 didn't get to discuss today, whether it be about the 3130 03:05:15.959 --> 03:05:19.840 United States funneling weapons over to Israel, the United States 3131 03:05:19.879 --> 03:05:22.840 of course sending Anthony Blincoln there to just basically put 3132 03:05:22.920 --> 03:05:25.840 up a good facade about things. We'll talk about many 3133 03:05:25.879 --> 03:05:28.639 of those things tonight on Liberty Conspiracy at six o'clock, 3134 03:05:28.760 --> 03:05:31.559 and I should mention you can find Liberty Conspiracy on 3135 03:05:31.760 --> 03:05:35.000 rumble head over there. If you get the opportunity, please 3136 03:05:35.159 --> 03:05:38.000 join us. That would be great. And of course check 3137 03:05:38.040 --> 03:05:41.520 out the Davidnightshow dot com for the David Knight Show. 3138 03:05:41.879 --> 03:05:44.719 Find out all the links for that. David Knight's ex 3139 03:05:44.959 --> 03:05:49.120 is at Liberty Terarian. You can find me at Guard Goldsmith. 3140 03:05:49.479 --> 03:05:52.959 And I should also mention you can find our audios 3141 03:05:53.040 --> 03:05:57.239 at my substack at the Gardner Goldsmith Substack. So Rockvin 3142 03:05:57.399 --> 03:06:01.879 Rumble six o'clock Monday through Friday. Check it out at 3143 03:06:01.920 --> 03:06:04.799 Guard Goldsmith and all that stuff. And thank you everyone 3144 03:06:04.840 --> 03:06:07.680 for being there. I really appreciate it. We're getting great 3145 03:06:07.719 --> 03:06:11.239 comments from so many people, and God bless David and 3146 03:06:11.319 --> 03:06:15.360 the family, all of you. Jason Barker inside Rock Finn, 3147 03:06:16.319 --> 03:06:19.840 We've got Octo Spook inside Rock Finn. So many good 3148 03:06:19.840 --> 03:06:23.639 people there that I really what can you say it's 3149 03:06:23.719 --> 03:06:28.479 just been fantastic. Also inside rumble m sellers do not 3150 03:06:28.760 --> 03:06:34.159 obey with elite speak. That's beautiful. And all the other 3151 03:06:34.200 --> 03:06:37.760 folks who've joined us. Texas Coast South, thank you everyone. 3152 03:06:38.319 --> 03:06:40.520 Closing up, we're gone a few minutes past the hour, 3153 03:06:40.639 --> 03:06:44.559 so time for me to say farewell. Join David on Monday, 3154 03:06:45.120 --> 03:06:47.719 and I'm looking forward to seeing David. I'll be there 3155 03:06:47.719 --> 03:06:50.360 in the chat, looking forward to that. See it tonight 3156 03:06:50.520 --> 03:06:54.319 on Liberty Conspiracy. Spread the word about that. I hope 3157 03:06:54.360 --> 03:06:58.639 you'll do so. And again, if you get the opportunity, 3158 03:06:59.120 --> 03:07:05.319 check out David Knight's excellent website and of course go 3159 03:07:05.360 --> 03:07:09.000 to the store. I leave you with this and again 3160 03:07:09.000 --> 03:07:11.879 my thanks to David and everyone. God bless everyone. Thank 3161 03:07:11.920 --> 03:07:14.280 you to our guests today. We'll talk to you again 3162 03:07:14.360 --> 03:07:17.479 soon and I'll see on Liberty Conspiracy if you stop 3163 03:07:17.520 --> 03:07:19.879 by tonight. Take care. God bless. 3164 03:07:30.000 --> 03:07:36.200 The common man. They created common Core, They've gummed down 3165 03:07:36.200 --> 03:07:39.959 our children. They created common past track and control us. 3166 03:07:40.319 --> 03:07:44.280 They're Commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing 3167 03:07:45.200 --> 03:07:51.879 and the communist future they see. The common man is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary, 3168 03:07:52.840 --> 03:07:56.120 but each of us has worth and dignity. Created in 3169 03:07:56.200 --> 03:08:00.959 the image of God, that what we have in common, 3170 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:04.360 that is what they want to take away. Their most 3171 03:08:04.399 --> 03:08:09.879 powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. They desire to know 3172 03:08:10.040 --> 03:08:14.799 everything about us, while they hide everything from us. It's 3173 03:08:14.840 --> 03:08:17.840 time to turn that around and expose what they want 3174 03:08:17.920 --> 03:08:21.760 to hide. Please share the information and links you'll find 3175 03:08:22.040 --> 03:08:25.799 at thedavidnightshow dot com. Thank you for listening, Thank you 3176 03:08:25.840 --> 03:08:34.319 for sharing. If you can't support us financially, please keep 3177 03:08:34.399 --> 03:09:13.120 us in your prayers. Ddavidknightshow dot com