WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:03.560 This episode may contain content of a graphic nature, including 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:08.560 descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals. 3 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:10.519 Listener discretion is advised. 4 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.199 Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Teleah and we are 5 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:19.640 Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast. 6 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:40.759 Hey Tanya, Hey Shannon Banana, Tanya, Banya. 7 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.640 How are you? Did you ever play the name game? 8 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:44.280 Oh? 9 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:48.840 Yeah, Nick? 10 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:56.520 Oh, how's that my my man? Well, he's my boyfriend 11 00:00:57.039 --> 00:01:02.000 and he doesn't know it yet. He's a chef. You 12 00:01:02.079 --> 00:01:05.799 may know him on Instagram Lorenzen. 13 00:01:05.719 --> 00:01:09.640 To check him out, Cedric Lorenzen. He's on the Tiki 14 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:11.040 Talks and the Instagram. 15 00:01:11.079 --> 00:01:15.000 Oh he's my new boyfriend. He makes me thirsty videos. 16 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.079 Well, oh we'd be the thirsty ones, right, guys. 17 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:20.680 Check him out. Let us know what you think of 18 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:24.640 Cedria lorenz Than. I mean, I can't stop. I wake 19 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:28.719 up every morning and I'm probably I'm giggling. I'm giggling 20 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:34.640 every morning when I wake up, and it's funny because 21 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:37.239 you know, I've been taking that tours appetite and I'm 22 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:42.879 down nineteen pounds. No, yeah, thank you. When I think 23 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:45.519 of like, oh, oh I need to get more my 24 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:47.920 protein grams and because you know how it can make 25 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:50.840 that's just how the nature of the beasts with maybe 26 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:54.799 the summer glue tie too. It affects your appetite and 27 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:58.079 not negatively nauseous, but you can get nauseous, you know. 28 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:00.920 It's just like a little bit. And when I Shanna, 29 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:03.719 don't go over your protein grams for the day, do 30 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:07.599 it for I want to look nice for him when 31 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:09.520 I watch his videos, his content. 32 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.680 She wants to be able to shit into that wedding 33 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:13.199 dress she. 34 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:18.360 Bought exactly pretend. 35 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:22.080 The wedding that I'll have in my mind. 36 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.159 That's right, and it's the only man I was, so 37 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:25.800 I'm tying. 38 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:29.439 I'm like, oh man, And then I mean this is 39 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:33.120 for years that I found Cedric popped in my feet 40 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.560 and I was like, oh, thank God made man, Thank 41 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:38.280 you Jesus. 42 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.639 You should should send him a message, be like thank 43 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:42.719 you for reawakening. 44 00:02:43.039 --> 00:02:50.159 Thank yes, yes, thank you for quickening me Cedric. So, 45 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:52.800 but that's all. What's going on with you? Oh? 46 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:53.840 Nothing much. 47 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:56.639 You know you're ready for that new government job. 48 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.240 Yeah, I got a new government job. I'm so proud. 49 00:02:59.240 --> 00:02:59.800 Are you on that? 50 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:00.400 Girl? 51 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.759 I mean, yeah, I'm excited. It'll be fun. 52 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:05.560 Had to decide. 53 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.360 I did have a sad moment, you know, closing down 54 00:03:08.400 --> 00:03:11.919 my practice and taking things off the wall and packing 55 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.599 up and trying to get out of my space so 56 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:18.319 my landlord can try and rent it again. And it's 57 00:03:18.319 --> 00:03:19.879 sad because it's the end of an era. 58 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.439 It really is. How long have you had your private practice? 59 00:03:23.759 --> 00:03:28.039 It's been about thirteen years. I've been a lawyer for 60 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:32.199 fifteen years. I've not worked for someone in probably the 61 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.360 last thirteen years. It's maybe thirteen and a half. My 62 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.120 first year and a half or so, I was I 63 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:39.639 worked for someone else, but I've worked for myself. That's 64 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:41.599 my only apprehension is now I have to work for 65 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:45.039 someone else and play by someone else's rules and have 66 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:46.560 performance reviews. 67 00:03:46.680 --> 00:03:48.560 And but it's good. It's all good. 68 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:52.680 I hear a leo, you are gonna slay you know what. 69 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:53.080 I know. 70 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:56.199 My husband's like, make sure you're not late for work, 71 00:03:56.240 --> 00:03:58.879 Like I haven't had a job before. Like I like, 72 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:02.080 I'm like, yeah, twenty years in corporate America, thank you. 73 00:04:02.159 --> 00:04:04.560 I don't need advices to how to get to work 74 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:05.039 on time. 75 00:04:05.080 --> 00:04:07.719 But yeah, but thinks I know how to ride that bike. 76 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:10.680 Yeah, I know how to be on time. That's never 77 00:04:10.719 --> 00:04:11.599 been my problem. 78 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.039 No, No, I think it's gonna be great. I'm excited 79 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.519 for you. New beginnings are great things. 80 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.959 Yes, I'm excited. So, and mercury is out of retrograde 81 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:21.439 from what I. 82 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:26.399 Whoa praise Jesus. I love when that happens. 83 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.120 So what do you got for us today? 84 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:34.959 Ooh, I got a horrific horrific crime of course. 85 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.279 Oh, before we start, I would just like to remind 86 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:42.120 everyone to hit the subscribe, follow like whatever button is 87 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:44.519 on whatever app you're listening to. If you could just 88 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.120 give us a little follow or like or subscribe, that'd 89 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:47.519 be great. 90 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.480 Thank you, thank you so much. So all right, let 91 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:55.079 me get you started now right. It's July two thousand 92 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.000 and nine, and let me give you a rundown of 93 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.720 some of the things that's going on. July two thousand nine. 94 00:05:01.240 --> 00:05:04.600 Price of gas, it's too fifty eight a gallon. Let 95 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:09.160 me see two thousand and nineteen and then five so 96 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:14.000 fifteen years ago, wow, fifteen years gas to fifty eight 97 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.800 a gallon. The minimum wage jumped from six dollars and 98 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.600 fifty five cents an hour to seven twenty five an hour. Oh, 99 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:28.480 I remember that everyone was all just up in arms 100 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.040 about people getting ahead and being able to afford a 101 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.319 life here in America. 102 00:05:34.360 --> 00:05:36.879 Making that seven to twenty five an hour, making. 103 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.720 That seven twenty five because apartments are only one hundred 104 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:40.399 bucks a month. 105 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:44.079 Yeah, that's not the truth. 106 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.000 So in two thousand and nine, what's keeping us dancing 107 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.240 is the Black Eye Peas Boom boom pow, and I 108 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.800 got a feeling. Oh remember that. I love black eyed Pea. 109 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:59.240 It's bergie. And at the movies, we're watching Harry Potter 110 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:05.399 and the Half Blood Prince, Transformers, Revenge of the fall 111 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:09.839 I haven't watched Transformers, but it's the Revenge of the Fallen, 112 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.920 I believe is the name of that, and also one 113 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:15.360 of my favorite movies from Disney. Up. 114 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:16.959 Oh I remember up? 115 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:20.759 Yes, Sir Frederick staid, Yeah, yeah, having the Bird. 116 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:23.959 Yeah, I have to tell you. In two thousand and nine, 117 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:29.680 I was attempting to pass the bar and I finally passed. 118 00:06:29.319 --> 00:06:30.040 It that year. 119 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.680 I took it more than once. I'm not ashamed to 120 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.879 admit it, but no, girl times I took it. But 121 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:37.720 I finally passed it in two thousand and nine. So 122 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:40.160 I was on the struggle bus. I was balls deep 123 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.319 in studying and all of that good stuff. 124 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.720 So pass in the bar. That was a that was 125 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:50.120 a good moment, you know, you called antonia. I remember, 126 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:51.600 I was like, do you want me to drive by? 127 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:52.600 I think you were at work. I was like, do 128 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.439 you want to drive by and see the letters in 129 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.600 there in your room, in your mailbox. 130 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:00.199 Back in the old days when we only found out 131 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:02.120 via mail. Now I think you can just go on 132 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.079 the fucking website and find it. But yeah, we had 133 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:07.199 to wait for the mail to come, and like you know, 134 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.240 we were all a buzz because we knew when they 135 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.680 were mailing the letters out. And I was like, oh 136 00:07:11.759 --> 00:07:13.959 my god, if it's a thick package, I didn't pass. 137 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.000 Or if it's a one letter I didn't pay. I 138 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.560 forget what the whole rule thing was. But yeah, and 139 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.040 then my husband opened it before I got home. 140 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:23.920 He did, Oh my god, I remember that. 141 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.480 Yeah, he opened it. He was just as anxious as 142 00:07:26.560 --> 00:07:28.639 I was. He was on this journey with me, so 143 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:30.199 I mean, I don't. 144 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:33.399 Write an help himself. My god, did we get it? 145 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:34.319 Did we get it? 146 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:38.879 We passed it. He went to church and lit candles. 147 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.519 He went to the Oh, of course, you know he 148 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:45.959 say like, blaze, mother, Mary, come on, we need the 149 00:07:46.000 --> 00:07:47.319 help exactly. 150 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.759 So anyway, I okay. 151 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:54.360 So that's in two thousand and nine. Now, on July 152 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.720 twenty third of two thousand and nine, a woman named 153 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:02.040 Julie Corey committed a crime that would horrify the nation. 154 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:07.399 This thirty five year old mother of five beat her 155 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:12.120 friend and one time neighbor, Darlene Haynes, who was eight 156 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:16.240 months pregnant, beat her in the head, fractured her skull, 157 00:08:16.399 --> 00:08:20.759 strangled her with an electric cord, sliced open her abdomen 158 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.800 with a nine inch slice, and stole Darlene's unborn daughter 159 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.240 from her womb. 160 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.079 Wow, I don't know. 161 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:31.279 If you remember that. Two thousand and nine kind of 162 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:36.039 gotta shake the pandemic away of before pandemic and they 163 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:39.320 after try to remember that world in those news stories. 164 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.840 So that was July twenty third. Now, on July twenty seventh, 165 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:47.279 two thousand and nine, the landlord Darlene's apartment. She lived 166 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:52.559 on Southgate Street in Worcester, Massachusetts. So he had entered 167 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:57.080 Darlene's apartment. There was reports of a horrible smell. People 168 00:08:57.120 --> 00:09:00.279 haven't seen her there are concerned about her. Pets. So 169 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.960 when he went into her apartment, there was, yes, the 170 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.080 horrible smell. Went into her bedroom, walked over to her closet. 171 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:11.840 He saw this bunch of blanket in there. He pulled 172 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.559 on it and a leg fell out. 173 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.039 Oh man, mm hmm. 174 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:21.000 So the body, it's Darlene's. Now. She's found to have 175 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:25.120 received the blunt force trauma to her head, the electrical 176 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:29.679 chord rapped twice around her neck, causing strangulation, the nine 177 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:35.360 inch incision of her abdomen, missing reproductive organs. Oh no, 178 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.440 the victim was pregnant at the time, meaning Darlene, and 179 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.960 at the time she was killed, her or born baby 180 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:46.360 was missing. Here's the thing. Julie Corey. She has five children. 181 00:09:46.399 --> 00:09:49.240 She's thirty five at the time of the killing. And 182 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:53.519 although she has five children, she only has partial custody 183 00:09:53.559 --> 00:09:58.279 of one of them. Oh really, and according to medical records, 184 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:04.519 Julie has been pregnant eight times. Okay, and at one point, now, Julie, 185 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:08.159 she did have tube litigation where they closed the tube 186 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.320 so she can't get pregnant anymore. But it didn't take 187 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:15.159 because really, she was seeing a guy named Alex Dion 188 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:18.639 and she had become pregnant with his baby. And we 189 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.519 know this to be true because the whole case, the 190 00:10:22.559 --> 00:10:27.799 whole premise of this is that Julie killed Darlene for 191 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.720 her baby because she had lost her own daughter, her 192 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:36.480 and Alex's own baby in April of two thousand and nine. 193 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.480 Oh okay, So that's where the direction we're going, that's 194 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.519 what I'm setting up here. Okay. So we know this 195 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.559 to be true because there's records at UMAs Memorial Medical 196 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:52.159 Center of April two thousand and nine showing that Julie 197 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:57.519 came in at thirty weeks pregnant. Oh okay, so she was, 198 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:02.480 she was thirty weeks. And now Julie and Darlene, they 199 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:07.120 had briefly been neighbors at Southgate, where Julie and Alex 200 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:10.519 had lived, So they were on and off, Julie and 201 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:13.200 Alex on and off, and in the spring of two 202 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:15.720 thousand and eight they had broken up, but got back 203 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:20.159 together because Julie said she was pregnant with Alex's child. 204 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:26.759 So now their relationship was a bit tumultuous Alex and Julie. 205 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.759 She would frequently accuse Alex of cheating on her, and 206 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.240 she was always afraid that Alex was going to go 207 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.399 back to his wife. Oh he's married, Okay, yeah, so 208 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:40.840 he or I'm not sure if the marriage was fully divorced, 209 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:44.240 but there was definitely an estrangement of the marriage. They 210 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.519 had broken up and then they moved away from being 211 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:47.919 neighbors with Darlene. 212 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:48.559 Okay. 213 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:52.279 After that, now Julie calls out, Oh no, no, I'm 214 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:56.360 pregnant again. She told Alex that she was pregnant with 215 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:59.080 his daughter, baby girl, and that she was going to 216 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:02.360 be due on June to teeth. Okay. After getting back 217 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:07.039 together after the breakup, Alex couldn't believe sometimes like that 218 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:09.679 she was pregnant. He would argue with like, I don't 219 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.639 even believe you're pregnant still, or you're even pregnant, and 220 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.799 he would she would try to convince him. She would 221 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.600 show him a positive pregnancy test. No I am or 222 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:22.799 listen to this baby monitor. But here's the thing. After April, 223 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:27.159 Julie would never let Alex attend another doctor visit a 224 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.559 wellness check. So there you go. You put it at bay. 225 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.639 It sounds like she's trying to make a plan, right, 226 00:12:34.879 --> 00:12:38.120 And in April, on the thirteenth, they had gone to 227 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.559 the hospital she was having pains. Then now they're not married, 228 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:46.200 and you know, hippa. She tells the doctor she wants 229 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.759 him out of the room, and that's where it's believed. 230 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:53.759 She finds out that she's had the miscarriage and that's 231 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:57.080 what the pain is. And she's afraid. She tells the 232 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:00.799 doctor that she's afraid that her is going to go 233 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:03.399 back to his wife. They're always fighting and she needs 234 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:06.120 this baby. You know this baby, is gonna say, you 235 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:12.080 know their relationship, Yes, exactly. Now June twentieth comes and goes, 236 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:15.480 no baby. She tells Alex that our due date has 237 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:19.519 changed now to July second. July second comes, no baby, 238 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.200 no labor. Now that's you like fourth, you know she'll 239 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:27.279 be here. And now when that day comes and goes, 240 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.840 she tells him, Oh, I'm on the schedule for a 241 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.200 C section, but I got bumped off that list. So 242 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:38.279 apparently he has no idea of any kind of wellness 243 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:42.279 care maybe or what's expected on the way of appearing 244 00:13:42.360 --> 00:13:46.919 for your child to arrive, because I never heard of 245 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.919 a sea section bump list. I was just gonna say 246 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:54.519 you got bumped, but from a list, from a list 247 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:59.080 where you saying I just say, my gosh, I remember 248 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:02.639 I have sea section. When they said, oh I already 249 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:06.000 have to do a sea section, I was angels. The 250 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:10.960 heavens opened and angels were singing. I was so thankful 251 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:15.639 because you know, it's a pregnancy, the labor, Oh my gosh. 252 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.240 So yeah, And if I was bumped off a list, 253 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.840 I would fucking go in there like a yetti and 254 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:25.720 clean out that operating room and say you take care of. 255 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.720 Me, yes exactly, like are you kidding me? You mean 256 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:29.960 wait out? 257 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:35.440 Yeah, that's right, but hold my baby? How deary? Now? 258 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.840 She tells Alex her sea section is gonna be July 259 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:40.639 twenty fourth. 260 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:44.000 She went from July fourth to July twenty fourth. 261 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:48.879 From June twentieth, July second, July fourth, July twenty fourth 262 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:53.600 is her scheduled sea section, right, okay, Okay, So she's 263 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:57.759 had like baby shower, she's she's telling her family every 264 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:02.240 you know, her friends and family. There's they're not understanding. 265 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:06.000 At the baby showers she had in May. In April, 266 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:08.759 she had told people that it was this date, and 267 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:11.759 at the baby shower she told it was this date. 268 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.720 So everyone's getting conflicted reports about her due date. Yeah, okay, 269 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.240 so now this is why I have in the events. 270 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:25.120 On July twenty third, Julian Alex, they were together at 271 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.600 Alex's uncle's house, Kevin, Kevin, Dianne. Now, they had just 272 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.840 prepared for julie c section the next day. They had 273 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:37.000 packed a bag, they got Alex's car ready. Now in 274 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:41.519 the afternoon, Julie leaves in Diona Alex's car and she says, 275 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.000 I'm going to go to a friend's house. She goes 276 00:15:44.320 --> 00:15:49.240 to Darlene's house, but it's just a friend's house to Alex, 277 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:53.480 her boyfriend. Now, later she calls him and she told 278 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.840 him that she planned to give Darlene a ride to 279 00:15:55.879 --> 00:16:00.360 the store. Alex did find this odd because he didn't 280 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:04.840 think that Julie's girlfriend and Darlene were friends. And it 281 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:09.039 just makes me think, like Darlene's twenty three. Now, she 282 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:12.799 has three girls already, and she's pregnant with her and 283 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.320 her boyfriend. His name is Roberto Rodriguez Tito. He goes by. 284 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:22.200 I would believe that Darlene is under the impression that 285 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.360 Julie is indeed her friend or at least someone, because 286 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.720 she's given her a ride. You know, she's got a 287 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:30.159 head up to the store. It's that my friend's gonna 288 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.879 give me a ride. I just can't imagine a pregnant 289 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.480 mom thinking someone unfriendly she would trust to go up 290 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:37.559 to the You know what I'm saying. 291 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.480 Soon she did, right, right? 292 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.720 Yeah, Okay, So then she tells them that she's gonna 293 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:46.240 give Darlene a ride. Alex finds is odd. They're not 294 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:51.039 really friends. Darlene's landlord saw Darlene getting into the car 295 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.759 with Julie that afternoon. On the twenty third, around three 296 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:59.360 point thirty pm. In the evening, Julie returned home, but 297 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.399 then left again to go to another identified friend's house. 298 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.000 And that was around eight And now we're fast forwarding 299 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.279 still on the twenty third, Between eight forty five and 300 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.119 eleven twenty, Darlene had sent some text to her friends 301 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:16.960 saying that another friend was coming over to spend the night, 302 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:20.799 and in one text, Darlene had said she was going 303 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:23.880 to have a wine cooler, and in the final text, 304 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:27.240 at eleven twenty, she said good night to her friends. 305 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:32.160 At around ten PM, Julie began calling Alex to tell 306 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.240 him I'm having stomach pained, babe. It's in around eleven thirty, 307 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:41.160 she tells Alex that her water broke, so she leaves 308 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.880 at three She's with Darlene. Now she's going to leave 309 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.480 again at eight pm, going out to help another friend. 310 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:49.400 What I'm reading and what I had uncovered, I'm not 311 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.920 thinking at the time Alex has any idea that it' 312 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:56.519 you know, of course, at Arlene. So then she. 313 00:17:56.440 --> 00:17:59.839 Calls when you were nine months pregnant for you like 314 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.759 running around helping friends doing all kinds of shit. You're 315 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.799 big as a house, Like, were you doing. 316 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.359 That, Tanya? I remember when I was working. Yeah, because 317 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:10.680 I worked all the way up to having my daughter, 318 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.960 and I was eight months pregnant. I believe I was November. 319 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.599 I dude, December twenty eighth was her due date, and 320 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.160 it's third week in November, and I was doing squats 321 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:25.319 to try to induce labor. Reason I was humongous. I'm like, 322 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:28.559 no way, no way, this dude date is right. 323 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:30.799 I can tell everyone how big she was. 324 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:36.480 So I gave birth to a very healthy, beautiful baby girl, 325 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.200 twelve pounds eleven ounces. 326 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:44.160 I love, Okay. I wish I could show everybody her 327 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.759 newborn picture because it is burned in my memory. Little 328 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:49.240 face was so. 329 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.599 Huge it was so big and adorable. 330 00:18:52.640 --> 00:18:53.799 It was like at first. 331 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.640 I was like, jeez, Louise, could you give me closer 332 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.480 on her face? 333 00:18:57.680 --> 00:19:01.559 It was like the cartoon were the old tex Avery 334 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:06.519 cartoons where the stork delivered the giant baby. 335 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:10.680 The people and the baby would push the dad to work, 336 00:19:10.799 --> 00:19:13.559 like pull it back, give him a push. 337 00:19:13.880 --> 00:19:16.279 That's what I thought of. And when I came to 338 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:19.400 see you in the hospital and she was in like 339 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:24.319 she's she had jaundice. So yeah, so I went in there. 340 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:26.759 Of course they're all like premies and then there's then 341 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:29.359 there's the giant baby that's stork delivered. 342 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:31.240 There's the giants baby. 343 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:33.200 She was so cute. 344 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:37.799 Oh god, she was such a potato. And I love 345 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.519 it because, you know, while we were there, the nurse, 346 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.279 you know, you're learning how to hold your baby. If 347 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:44.400 you're gonna breastfeed, you're learning how to hold you And 348 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.039 I would push her a little push cradle or crib 349 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:51.079 into the room with the other new mothers. It would 350 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:56.440 be the savorite whoa, whoa, And so can I use 351 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:58.200 your baby as an example? Oh? 352 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:58.440 Sure? 353 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.000 So the people in the back row, can he you know, 354 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.240 see as well as the frock o people. Sure, thing 355 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:05.079 chicken wing. 356 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:07.839 But I'm saying, I know you weren't. 357 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:08.759 I wasn't. 358 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:11.480 My baby was eight pounds so she was a little 359 00:20:11.519 --> 00:20:14.680 big too. But I wasn't going anywhere. If I'm supposed 360 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:17.119 to be induced tomorrow, I'm not going anywhere. 361 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.960 Oh no way, exactly, I'm not going. 362 00:20:20.039 --> 00:20:20.839 Yeah. 363 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:23.440 So now, and that's pretty much. You know what she's 364 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:26.519 doing is the CEA section on Darlene. That's all yeah, 365 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.000 because I haven't seen the video, but I've been told 366 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:32.559 that there's a big silver bowl and they put your 367 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.880 organs in there to get to the baby. 368 00:20:34.920 --> 00:20:36.279 Oh wow, I know. 369 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:38.799 I couldn't even I know, I just passed out if 370 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.880 I saw anything close to me. Back to Julian Darlene. 371 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.359 Now she's telling him that she's having pains. Then she 372 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:50.240 tells him that water broke. Meanwhile, at ten pm, Julie 373 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:53.920 began calling Alex said she was having stomach pains, and 374 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:57.920 around eleven thirty pm, she calls him back to say 375 00:20:57.920 --> 00:20:59.839 that her water broke and that a friend was going 376 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:03.039 to take her to the hospital and framing him in. 377 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.240 About two hours later, she calls them back, Congratulations, we 378 00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:11.319 just had a baby, baby girl, So now we got Julie. 379 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.880 She's calling Alex about twelve times through the night. And 380 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:21.400 here's the thing. She's using Darlene's cell phone. And Darlene's 381 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:27.440 cell phone is in her boyfriend's name. They are and 382 00:21:27.440 --> 00:21:31.839 it's the father of the baby is Roberto and it's 383 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.519 in his name. Now at trial, this has becomes something 384 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:41.000 because Alex has never received a call from Darlene's phone ever, 385 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:44.759 and now suddenly, yeah, she gets Darlene's number and it 386 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.839 finds out, Oh, it's his girlfriend. They just had the baby. 387 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:51.000 She keeps calling him to kind of keep them updated 388 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:56.119 on what's happening. She was saying that the care is terrible. 389 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.559 She's thinking she's gonna leave things of that me. Sure, 390 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.319 So we'll put that there because on July twenty fourth, 391 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:06.359 now we're going to go back to the crime scene 392 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:10.960 of where Julie and what's been going on. Around two 393 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.359 am July twenty fourth, now she's been calling Alex, I'm here, 394 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.440 I mean, this is what I'm doing. Well, the baby 395 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.400 blah blah blah blah. Now, the neighbors across the hall 396 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.759 from Darlene can hear banging noises coming from the apartment. 397 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.799 Sounds like someone's picking furniture up and moving around just 398 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:31.039 loud two am, three am, two thirty noises. And then 399 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:34.640 from three am to four am they hear water running 400 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.359 on and off in Darlene's apartment. And they didn't go 401 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:41.079