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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, I'm Tanya and I'm Teleah and we are
Speaker 2: Crimes and Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Speaker 3: Hey Tanya, Hey Shannon Banana, Tanya, Banya.
Speaker 2: How are you? Did you ever play the name game?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick?
Speaker 3: Oh, how's that my my man? Well, he's my boyfriend
Speaker 3: and he doesn't know it yet. He's a chef. You
Speaker 3: may know him on Instagram Lorenzen.
Speaker 2: To check him out, Cedric Lorenzen. He's on the Tiki
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Speaker 3: Oh he's my new boyfriend. He makes me thirsty videos.
Speaker 2: Well, oh we'd be the thirsty ones, right, guys.
Speaker 3: Check him out. Let us know what you think of
Speaker 3: Cedria lorenz Than. I mean, I can't stop. I wake
Speaker 3: up every morning and I'm probably I'm giggling. I'm giggling
Speaker 3: every morning when I wake up, and it's funny because
Speaker 3: you know, I've been taking that tours appetite and I'm
Speaker 3: down nineteen pounds. No, yeah, thank you. When I think
Speaker 3: of like, oh, oh I need to get more my
Speaker 3: protein grams and because you know how it can make
Speaker 3: that's just how the nature of the beasts with maybe
Speaker 3: the summer glue tie too. It affects your appetite and
Speaker 3: not negatively nauseous, but you can get nauseous, you know.
Speaker 3: It's just like a little bit. And when I Shanna,
Speaker 3: don't go over your protein grams for the day, do
Speaker 3: it for I want to look nice for him when
Speaker 3: I watch his videos, his content.
Speaker 2: She wants to be able to shit into that wedding
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Speaker 3: Bought exactly pretend.
Speaker 2: The wedding that I'll have in my mind.
Speaker 3: That's right, and it's the only man I was, so
Speaker 3: I'm tying.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh man, And then I mean this is
Speaker 4: for years that I found Cedric popped in my feet
Speaker 4: and I was like, oh, thank God made man, Thank
Speaker 4: you Jesus.
Speaker 2: You should should send him a message, be like thank
Speaker 2: you for reawakening.
Speaker 3: Thank yes, yes, thank you for quickening me Cedric. So,
Speaker 3: but that's all. What's going on with you? Oh?
Speaker 2: Nothing much.
Speaker 3: You know you're ready for that new government job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a new government job. I'm so proud.
Speaker 3: Are you on that?
Speaker 1: Girl?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm excited. It'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Had to decide.
Speaker 2: I did have a sad moment, you know, closing down
Speaker 2: my practice and taking things off the wall and packing
Speaker 2: up and trying to get out of my space so
Speaker 2: my landlord can try and rent it again. And it's
Speaker 2: sad because it's the end of an era.
Speaker 3: It really is. How long have you had your private practice?
Speaker 3: It's been about thirteen years. I've been a lawyer for
Speaker 3: fifteen years. I've not worked for someone in probably the
Speaker 3: last thirteen years. It's maybe thirteen and a half. My
Speaker 3: first year and a half or so, I was I
Speaker 3: worked for someone else, but I've worked for myself. That's
Speaker 3: my only apprehension is now I have to work for
Speaker 3: someone else and play by someone else's rules and have
Speaker 3: performance reviews.
Speaker 2: And but it's good. It's all good.
Speaker 3: I hear a leo, you are gonna slay you know what.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: My husband's like, make sure you're not late for work,
Speaker 2: Like I haven't had a job before. Like I like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, twenty years in corporate America, thank you.
Speaker 2: I don't need advices to how to get to work
Speaker 2: on time.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but thinks I know how to ride that bike.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know how to be on time. That's never
Speaker 2: been my problem.
Speaker 3: No, No, I think it's gonna be great. I'm excited
Speaker 3: for you. New beginnings are great things.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm excited. So, and mercury is out of retrograde
Speaker 2: from what I.
Speaker 3: Whoa praise Jesus. I love when that happens.
Speaker 2: So what do you got for us today?
Speaker 3: Ooh, I got a horrific horrific crime of course.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much. So all right, let
Speaker 3: me get you started now right. It's July two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine, and let me give you a rundown of
Speaker 3: some of the things that's going on. July two thousand nine.
Speaker 3: Price of gas, it's too fifty eight a gallon. Let
Speaker 3: me see two thousand and nineteen and then five so
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago, wow, fifteen years gas to fifty eight
Speaker 3: a gallon. The minimum wage jumped from six dollars and
Speaker 3: fifty five cents an hour to seven twenty five an hour. Oh,
Speaker 3: I remember that everyone was all just up in arms
Speaker 3: about people getting ahead and being able to afford a
Speaker 3: life here in America.
Speaker 2: Making that seven to twenty five an hour, making.
Speaker 3: That seven twenty five because apartments are only one hundred
Speaker 3: bucks a month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not the truth.
Speaker 3: So in two thousand and nine, what's keeping us dancing
Speaker 3: is the Black Eye Peas Boom boom pow, and I
Speaker 3: got a feeling. Oh remember that. I love black eyed Pea.
Speaker 3: It's bergie. And at the movies, we're watching Harry Potter
Speaker 3: and the Half Blood Prince, Transformers, Revenge of the fall
Speaker 3: I haven't watched Transformers, but it's the Revenge of the Fallen,
Speaker 3: I believe is the name of that, and also one
Speaker 3: of my favorite movies from Disney. Up.
Speaker 2: Oh I remember up?
Speaker 3: Yes, Sir Frederick staid, Yeah, yeah, having the Bird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to tell you. In two thousand and nine,
Speaker 2: I was attempting to pass the bar and I finally passed.
Speaker 3: It that year.
Speaker 2: I took it more than once. I'm not ashamed to
Speaker 2: admit it, but no, girl times I took it. But
Speaker 2: I finally passed it in two thousand and nine. So
Speaker 2: I was on the struggle bus. I was balls deep
Speaker 2: in studying and all of that good stuff.
Speaker 3: So pass in the bar. That was a that was
Speaker 3: a good moment, you know, you called antonia. I remember,
Speaker 3: I was like, do you want me to drive by?
Speaker 3: I think you were at work. I was like, do
Speaker 3: you want to drive by and see the letters in
Speaker 3: there in your room, in your mailbox.
Speaker 2: Back in the old days when we only found out
Speaker 2: via mail. Now I think you can just go on
Speaker 2: the fucking website and find it. But yeah, we had
Speaker 2: to wait for the mail to come, and like you know,
Speaker 2: we were all a buzz because we knew when they
Speaker 2: were mailing the letters out. And I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, if it's a thick package, I didn't pass.
Speaker 2: Or if it's a one letter I didn't pay. I
Speaker 2: forget what the whole rule thing was. But yeah, and
Speaker 2: then my husband opened it before I got home.
Speaker 3: He did, Oh my god, I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he opened it. He was just as anxious as
Speaker 2: I was. He was on this journey with me, so
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3: Write an help himself. My god, did we get it?
Speaker 3: Did we get it?
Speaker 2: We passed it. He went to church and lit candles.
Speaker 3: He went to the Oh, of course, you know he
Speaker 3: say like, blaze, mother, Mary, come on, we need the
Speaker 3: help exactly.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I okay.
Speaker 3: So that's in two thousand and nine. Now, on July
Speaker 3: twenty third of two thousand and nine, a woman named
Speaker 3: Julie Corey committed a crime that would horrify the nation.
Speaker 3: This thirty five year old mother of five beat her
Speaker 3: friend and one time neighbor, Darlene Haynes, who was eight
Speaker 3: months pregnant, beat her in the head, fractured her skull,
Speaker 3: strangled her with an electric cord, sliced open her abdomen
Speaker 3: with a nine inch slice, and stole Darlene's unborn daughter
Speaker 3: from her womb.
Speaker 4: Wow, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If you remember that. Two thousand and nine kind of
Speaker 3: gotta shake the pandemic away of before pandemic and they
Speaker 3: after try to remember that world in those news stories.
Speaker 3: So that was July twenty third. Now, on July twenty seventh,
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, the landlord Darlene's apartment. She lived
Speaker 3: on Southgate Street in Worcester, Massachusetts. So he had entered
Speaker 3: Darlene's apartment. There was reports of a horrible smell. People
Speaker 3: haven't seen her there are concerned about her. Pets. So
Speaker 3: when he went into her apartment, there was, yes, the
Speaker 3: horrible smell. Went into her bedroom, walked over to her closet.
Speaker 3: He saw this bunch of blanket in there. He pulled
Speaker 3: on it and a leg fell out.
Speaker 2: Oh man, mm hmm.
Speaker 3: So the body, it's Darlene's. Now. She's found to have
Speaker 3: received the blunt force trauma to her head, the electrical
Speaker 3: chord rapped twice around her neck, causing strangulation, the nine
Speaker 3: inch incision of her abdomen, missing reproductive organs. Oh no,
Speaker 3: the victim was pregnant at the time, meaning Darlene, and
Speaker 3: at the time she was killed, her or born baby
Speaker 3: was missing. Here's the thing. Julie Corey. She has five children.
Speaker 3: She's thirty five at the time of the killing. And
Speaker 3: although she has five children, she only has partial custody
Speaker 3: of one of them. Oh really, and according to medical records,
Speaker 3: Julie has been pregnant eight times. Okay, and at one point, now, Julie,
Speaker 3: she did have tube litigation where they closed the tube
Speaker 3: so she can't get pregnant anymore. But it didn't take
Speaker 3: because really, she was seeing a guy named Alex Dion
Speaker 3: and she had become pregnant with his baby. And we
Speaker 3: know this to be true because the whole case, the
Speaker 3: whole premise of this is that Julie killed Darlene for
Speaker 3: her baby because she had lost her own daughter, her
Speaker 3: and Alex's own baby in April of two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, So that's where the direction we're going, that's
Speaker 3: what I'm setting up here. Okay. So we know this
Speaker 3: to be true because there's records at UMAs Memorial Medical
Speaker 3: Center of April two thousand and nine showing that Julie
Speaker 3: came in at thirty weeks pregnant. Oh okay, so she was,
Speaker 3: she was thirty weeks. And now Julie and Darlene, they
Speaker 3: had briefly been neighbors at Southgate, where Julie and Alex
Speaker 3: had lived, So they were on and off, Julie and
Speaker 3: Alex on and off, and in the spring of two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight they had broken up, but got back
Speaker 3: together because Julie said she was pregnant with Alex's child.
Speaker 3: So now their relationship was a bit tumultuous Alex and Julie.
Speaker 3: She would frequently accuse Alex of cheating on her, and
Speaker 3: she was always afraid that Alex was going to go
Speaker 3: back to his wife. Oh he's married, Okay, yeah, so
Speaker 3: he or I'm not sure if the marriage was fully divorced,
Speaker 3: but there was definitely an estrangement of the marriage. They
Speaker 3: had broken up and then they moved away from being
Speaker 3: neighbors with Darlene.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: After that, now Julie calls out, Oh no, no, I'm
Speaker 3: pregnant again. She told Alex that she was pregnant with
Speaker 3: his daughter, baby girl, and that she was going to
Speaker 3: be due on June to teeth. Okay. After getting back
Speaker 3: together after the breakup, Alex couldn't believe sometimes like that
Speaker 3: she was pregnant. He would argue with like, I don't
Speaker 3: even believe you're pregnant still, or you're even pregnant, and
Speaker 3: he would she would try to convince him. She would
Speaker 3: show him a positive pregnancy test. No I am or
Speaker 3: listen to this baby monitor. But here's the thing. After April,
Speaker 3: Julie would never let Alex attend another doctor visit a
Speaker 3: wellness check. So there you go. You put it at bay.
Speaker 3: It sounds like she's trying to make a plan, right,
Speaker 3: And in April, on the thirteenth, they had gone to
Speaker 3: the hospital she was having pains. Then now they're not married,
Speaker 3: and you know, hippa. She tells the doctor she wants
Speaker 3: him out of the room, and that's where it's believed.
Speaker 3: She finds out that she's had the miscarriage and that's
Speaker 3: what the pain is. And she's afraid. She tells the
Speaker 3: doctor that she's afraid that her is going to go
Speaker 3: back to his wife. They're always fighting and she needs
Speaker 3: this baby. You know this baby, is gonna say, you
Speaker 3: know their relationship, Yes, exactly. Now June twentieth comes and goes,
Speaker 3: no baby. She tells Alex that our due date has
Speaker 3: changed now to July second. July second comes, no baby,
Speaker 3: no labor. Now that's you like fourth, you know she'll
Speaker 3: be here. And now when that day comes and goes,
Speaker 3: she tells him, Oh, I'm on the schedule for a
Speaker 3: C section, but I got bumped off that list. So
Speaker 3: apparently he has no idea of any kind of wellness
Speaker 3: care maybe or what's expected on the way of appearing
Speaker 3: for your child to arrive, because I never heard of
Speaker 3: a sea section bump list. I was just gonna say
Speaker 3: you got bumped, but from a list, from a list
Speaker 3: where you saying I just say, my gosh, I remember
Speaker 3: I have sea section. When they said, oh I already
Speaker 3: have to do a sea section, I was angels. The
Speaker 3: heavens opened and angels were singing. I was so thankful
Speaker 3: because you know, it's a pregnancy, the labor, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: So yeah, And if I was bumped off a list,
Speaker 3: I would fucking go in there like a yetti and
Speaker 3: clean out that operating room and say you take care of.
Speaker 2: Me, yes exactly, like are you kidding me? You mean
Speaker 2: wait out?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, but hold my baby? How deary? Now?
Speaker 3: She tells Alex her sea section is gonna be July
Speaker 3: twenty fourth.
Speaker 2: She went from July fourth to July twenty fourth.
Speaker 3: From June twentieth, July second, July fourth, July twenty fourth
Speaker 3: is her scheduled sea section, right, okay, Okay, So she's
Speaker 3: had like baby shower, she's she's telling her family every
Speaker 3: you know, her friends and family. There's they're not understanding.
Speaker 3: At the baby showers she had in May. In April,
Speaker 3: she had told people that it was this date, and
Speaker 3: at the baby shower she told it was this date.
Speaker 3: So everyone's getting conflicted reports about her due date. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: so now this is why I have in the events.
Speaker 3: On July twenty third, Julian Alex, they were together at
Speaker 3: Alex's uncle's house, Kevin, Kevin, Dianne. Now, they had just
Speaker 3: prepared for julie c section the next day. They had
Speaker 3: packed a bag, they got Alex's car ready. Now in
Speaker 3: the afternoon, Julie leaves in Diona Alex's car and she says,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to a friend's house. She goes
Speaker 3: to Darlene's house, but it's just a friend's house to Alex,
Speaker 3: her boyfriend. Now, later she calls him and she told
Speaker 3: him that she planned to give Darlene a ride to
Speaker 3: the store. Alex did find this odd because he didn't
Speaker 3: think that Julie's girlfriend and Darlene were friends. And it
Speaker 3: just makes me think, like Darlene's twenty three. Now, she
Speaker 3: has three girls already, and she's pregnant with her and
Speaker 3: her boyfriend. His name is Roberto Rodriguez Tito. He goes by.
Speaker 3: I would believe that Darlene is under the impression that
Speaker 3: Julie is indeed her friend or at least someone, because
Speaker 3: she's given her a ride. You know, she's got a
Speaker 3: head up to the store. It's that my friend's gonna
Speaker 3: give me a ride. I just can't imagine a pregnant
Speaker 3: mom thinking someone unfriendly she would trust to go up
Speaker 3: to the You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Soon she did, right, right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So then she tells them that she's gonna
Speaker 3: give Darlene a ride. Alex finds is odd. They're not
Speaker 3: really friends. Darlene's landlord saw Darlene getting into the car
Speaker 3: with Julie that afternoon. On the twenty third, around three
Speaker 3: point thirty pm. In the evening, Julie returned home, but
Speaker 3: then left again to go to another identified friend's house.
Speaker 3: And that was around eight And now we're fast forwarding
Speaker 3: still on the twenty third, Between eight forty five and
Speaker 3: eleven twenty, Darlene had sent some text to her friends
Speaker 3: saying that another friend was coming over to spend the night,
Speaker 3: and in one text, Darlene had said she was going
Speaker 3: to have a wine cooler, and in the final text,
Speaker 3: at eleven twenty, she said good night to her friends.
Speaker 3: At around ten PM, Julie began calling Alex to tell
Speaker 3: him I'm having stomach pained, babe. It's in around eleven thirty,
Speaker 3: she tells Alex that her water broke, so she leaves
Speaker 3: at three She's with Darlene. Now she's going to leave
Speaker 3: again at eight pm, going out to help another friend.
Speaker 3: What I'm reading and what I had uncovered, I'm not
Speaker 3: thinking at the time Alex has any idea that it'
Speaker 3: you know, of course, at Arlene. So then she.
Speaker 2: Calls when you were nine months pregnant for you like
Speaker 2: running around helping friends doing all kinds of shit. You're
Speaker 2: big as a house, Like, were you doing.
Speaker 3: That, Tanya? I remember when I was working. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: I worked all the way up to having my daughter,
Speaker 3: and I was eight months pregnant. I believe I was November.
Speaker 3: I dude, December twenty eighth was her due date, and
Speaker 3: it's third week in November, and I was doing squats
Speaker 3: to try to induce labor. Reason I was humongous. I'm like,
Speaker 3: no way, no way, this dude date is right.
Speaker 2: I can tell everyone how big she was.
Speaker 3: So I gave birth to a very healthy, beautiful baby girl,
Speaker 3: twelve pounds eleven ounces.
Speaker 2: I love, Okay. I wish I could show everybody her
Speaker 2: newborn picture because it is burned in my memory. Little
Speaker 2: face was so.
Speaker 3: Huge it was so big and adorable.
Speaker 2: It was like at first.
Speaker 3: I was like, jeez, Louise, could you give me closer
Speaker 3: on her face?
Speaker 2: It was like the cartoon were the old tex Avery
Speaker 2: cartoons where the stork delivered the giant baby.
Speaker 3: The people and the baby would push the dad to work,
Speaker 3: like pull it back, give him a push.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought of. And when I came to
Speaker 2: see you in the hospital and she was in like
Speaker 2: she's she had jaundice. So yeah, so I went in there.
Speaker 2: Of course they're all like premies and then there's then
Speaker 2: there's the giant baby that's stork delivered.
Speaker 3: There's the giants baby.
Speaker 2: She was so cute.
Speaker 3: Oh god, she was such a potato. And I love
Speaker 3: it because, you know, while we were there, the nurse,
Speaker 3: you know, you're learning how to hold your baby. If
Speaker 3: you're gonna breastfeed, you're learning how to hold you And
Speaker 3: I would push her a little push cradle or crib
Speaker 3: into the room with the other new mothers. It would
Speaker 3: be the savorite whoa, whoa, And so can I use
Speaker 3: your baby as an example? Oh?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: So the people in the back row, can he you know,
Speaker 3: see as well as the frock o people. Sure, thing
Speaker 3: chicken wing.
Speaker 2: But I'm saying, I know you weren't.
Speaker 3: I wasn't.
Speaker 2: My baby was eight pounds so she was a little
Speaker 2: big too. But I wasn't going anywhere. If I'm supposed
Speaker 2: to be induced tomorrow, I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh no way, exactly, I'm not going.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So now, and that's pretty much. You know what she's
Speaker 3: doing is the CEA section on Darlene. That's all yeah,
Speaker 3: because I haven't seen the video, but I've been told
Speaker 3: that there's a big silver bowl and they put your
Speaker 3: organs in there to get to the baby.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I know.
Speaker 3: I couldn't even I know, I just passed out if
Speaker 3: I saw anything close to me. Back to Julian Darlene.
Speaker 3: Now she's telling him that she's having pains. Then she
Speaker 3: tells him that water broke. Meanwhile, at ten pm, Julie
Speaker 3: began calling Alex said she was having stomach pains, and
Speaker 3: around eleven thirty pm, she calls him back to say
Speaker 3: that her water broke and that a friend was going
Speaker 3: to take her to the hospital and framing him in.
Speaker 3: About two hours later, she calls them back, Congratulations, we
Speaker 3: just had a baby, baby girl, So now we got Julie.
Speaker 3: She's calling Alex about twelve times through the night. And
Speaker 3: here's the thing. She's using Darlene's cell phone. And Darlene's
Speaker 3: cell phone is in her boyfriend's name. They are and
Speaker 3: it's the father of the baby is Roberto and it's
Speaker 3: in his name. Now at trial, this has becomes something
Speaker 3: because Alex has never received a call from Darlene's phone ever,
Speaker 3: and now suddenly, yeah, she gets Darlene's number and it
Speaker 3: finds out, Oh, it's his girlfriend. They just had the baby.
Speaker 3: She keeps calling him to kind of keep them updated
Speaker 3: on what's happening. She was saying that the care is terrible.
Speaker 3: She's thinking she's gonna leave things of that me. Sure,
Speaker 3: So we'll put that there because on July twenty fourth,
Speaker 3: now we're going to go back to the crime scene
Speaker 3: of where Julie and what's been going on. Around two
Speaker 3: am July twenty fourth, now she's been calling Alex, I'm here,
Speaker 3: I mean, this is what I'm doing. Well, the baby
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah. Now, the neighbors across the hall
Speaker 3: from Darlene can hear banging noises coming from the apartment.
Speaker 3: Sounds like someone's picking furniture up and moving around just
Speaker 3: loud two am, three am, two thirty noises. And then
Speaker 3: from three am to four am they hear water running
Speaker 3: on and off in Darlene's apartment. And they didn't go
Speaker 3: check on her, and they didn't tell anybody. It was
Speaker 3: just people had observed it. So now, on the morning
Speaker 3: of July twenty fourth, between seven and eight am, Julie's
Speaker 3: home with the baby. Julie's out of the hospital by surprise.
Speaker 3: I'm home with the baby. She's wearing new clothes. Now, Alex,
Speaker 3: this is the thing. Alex notices that the baby has
Speaker 3: dried blood in the creases of her arms and neck
Speaker 3: and around her ears. Really notices too that the umbilical
Speaker 3: cord it's not clipped off with that plastic clip. Instead,
Speaker 3: it's tied off with string. Oh come on, but yeah, exactly,
Speaker 3: this newborn is there and you see dried blood. You
Speaker 3: know how they clean the baby at the household. They're
Speaker 3: born with that waxy cheese stuff number one that you're
Speaker 3: then the b and they just really clean up a
Speaker 3: babys be no blood or dried anywhere creases and they're not.
Speaker 2: Tying off an umbilical cord with an wet string. String.
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's not eighteen eighty nine, it's two thousand nine, right,
Speaker 3: we got plastic.
Speaker 2: Clips, red flag, red flags exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, Julie's house, Alex. She's like, well, it was too
Speaker 3: the so I asked the doctor to put the string on.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, because that's what doctors. Oh okay, Julie,
Speaker 3: Yeah you say so. Now, Julie. She she brought the
Speaker 3: baby around and starts introducing the baby to family members.
Speaker 3: There's a family barbecue on the twenty fifth that she
Speaker 3: brings and people are noticing. The neighbors, the people at
Speaker 3: the barbecue, they're seeing that the baby has drive. Still,
Speaker 3: you haven't watched your baby. You're not your it's not
Speaker 3: your baby. The baby, yeah, the baby. You've already killed
Speaker 3: her mother, And how do you not see the Oh god,
Speaker 3: you never watched the baby though. Come on, like you said,
Speaker 3: he has five kids. She knows how to fucking walk.
Speaker 3: If she doesn't, I don't know, well she doesn't have them,
Speaker 3: so yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Watch them. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And maybe that is exactly why she doesn't have them.
Speaker 3: As for things such as now, Julian, Alex, they're poor
Speaker 3: Julie doesn't work and I didn't find any employment of Alex,
Speaker 3: and the neighbor ends up taking them to the store
Speaker 3: to buy formula because they have no money. Another thing
Speaker 3: that people had noticed, besides the dry blood on the
Speaker 3: newborn is how small this baby is. It's very small
Speaker 3: and it looks if the baby's cold. It's just not looking,
Speaker 3: you know, like a healthy, happy newborn that you're taking
Speaker 3: around to show off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, should look.
Speaker 3: July twenty six, Julie and Alex they moved to New
Speaker 3: Hampshire and go to a homeless shelter. When they get there,
Speaker 3: there's red flags. The police have also been tipped off
Speaker 3: about how she's the weird dates and now she has
Speaker 3: this baby and so yeah, when she's at the homeless shelter,
Speaker 3: the police are notified and they come. Now. They were
Speaker 3: getting money to stay at a hotel and they did
Speaker 3: seek assistance from the welfare office while they were in
Speaker 3: New Hampshire. In the short amount of time, Julie had
Speaker 3: been receiving benefit from her pregnancy when she was pregnant, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, she had told her case where I have
Speaker 3: such little money and I can't work. Well, the case
Speaker 3: worker is like, well, give us your the baby. You know,
Speaker 3: we'll need your daughter's birth certificate so you can get
Speaker 3: the We need the proof so you can get your
Speaker 3: Wick benefits and whatnot. They find themselves at the shelter
Speaker 3: and the staff at the homeless shelter take the baby
Speaker 3: to go get checked by the doctor, and this aggravates
Speaker 3: the fuck out of Julie. She begins to say things
Speaker 3: like no one's taken this baby from me. She's overheard
Speaker 3: saying that, And so the doctor wants to take a picture.
Speaker 3: She's like, can we take a picture of your daughter?
Speaker 3: You know, they need the red flags. The doctors are
Speaker 3: aware this is everything is not right. So she's so
Speaker 3: pissed and then she leaves. She leaves doctor's office before
Speaker 3: the doctor can come back with her kid with the camera. Right,
Speaker 3: they're going back and a review of hospitals and framing
Speaker 3: him where she said she had her daughter and eat
Speaker 3: the neighboring NATA. They produced no records of Julie delivering
Speaker 3: a baby and inside of Alex's car. What they did
Speaker 3: find when they arrested her was falsified birth certificate for
Speaker 3: the baby oh, listing ye Alex and herself as the
Speaker 3: parents in birthplace of framing Ham, and the police also
Speaker 3: found a document from Julie's health center stating that she
Speaker 3: would receive benefits during her pregnancy, that if she wanted
Speaker 3: to receive benefits for her pregnancy, she would need to
Speaker 3: reapply for benefits after her delivery. So all of this
Speaker 3: paperwork a paper trail of her apparently thinking this shit's
Speaker 3: gonna fly, right, that delusion. I don't even know how you.
Speaker 3: I guess you just keep going til the wheels fall off. Guys,
Speaker 3: I guess you'd keep going with the lie, right for sure.
Speaker 3: Back in Massachusetts, the law enforcement began investigating and documenting
Speaker 3: Darlene's apartment where Darlene's body was found. There was red
Speaker 3: and brown stains saturated both sides of the mattress on
Speaker 3: the bed. Red brown stains were found on other items
Speaker 3: in the bedroom and the kitchen. Investigators found a Smirnoff
Speaker 3: bottle in the living room and when they tested for
Speaker 3: the DNA on it, Julie matched the mate. Oh, that's
Speaker 3: the profile. So she had a Smirnoff while she's at
Speaker 3: Darlene's apartment. So there's one in the kitchen and another
Speaker 3: one in the bedroom where they found next to the
Speaker 3: body another smirt off her DNA. At the trial, the
Speaker 3: Commonwealth alleged that by the twenty third Julie had lost
Speaker 3: her own baby and was distraught, and contended that Julie
Speaker 3: was concerned Alex would leave her if she didn't have
Speaker 3: a baby, and that she would lose her benefits. So
Speaker 3: they also argued that Julie was seeking a solution for
Speaker 3: her problems, decided to kill Darlene and take Darlene's baby
Speaker 3: as her own.
Speaker 2: Right. Oh, so is Alex and the fact that she
Speaker 2: lost her.
Speaker 3: Benefits, Yeah, that's all she is most concerned. She needs
Speaker 3: that baby for benefits and to keep her relationship with Alex. Yes,
Speaker 3: so now this is her case right. At trial, Julie
Speaker 3: vigorously argued that even if she took the baby, she
Speaker 3: did not kill Darlene.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: She argued that it was not possible for her to
Speaker 3: commit murder, clean up the victim's apartment, dispose of the evidence,
Speaker 3: and take care of the baby, all while repeatedly calling Alex.
Speaker 3: So what she's saying is she's arguing that Julie was
Speaker 3: wanting to say that Roberto, Darlene's boyfriend, had killed Darlene. Oh,
Speaker 3: so the father of the baby is gonna kill the mother,
Speaker 3: remove the baby from the baby. Yeah, the mother of
Speaker 3: his child, he's gonna do kill and give it to her.
Speaker 3: That's exactly that is what she's arguing is that law
Speaker 3: enforcement's investigation was sloppy. They didn't look into several things,
Speaker 3: they didn't do a cell phone pinging investigation. Just all
Speaker 3: of this smoke screen bullshit to not take accountability for
Speaker 3: the most horrific and selfish bullshit, fucking shit I have
Speaker 3: ever just read about. Yeah, how goddamn selfish? Can you
Speaker 3: fucking be unbelievable? Some another mother's life and mother to
Speaker 3: mother to me, being a mother is so sacred, like
Speaker 3: there's really nothing a higher calling. I just can't understand
Speaker 3: that kind of ruelty. I can't find a world like
Speaker 3: I mean, keeps saying selfishness, but ah, she's just it's
Speaker 3: beyond selfish though. Yeah, her defense is suggesting that Rodriguez,
Speaker 3: after murdering Darlene, saved his baby and then gave her
Speaker 3: to Julie and then Julie's team also argued about the
Speaker 3: shitty evidence gathering and whatnot. Yeah, it just makes sense.
Speaker 2: Why would now they say, like, you know, pregnant women
Speaker 2: are more likely to be killed by their partner, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and by like a stranger. So okay, let's say he
Speaker 2: really did want to get rid of Darlene. Let's say
Speaker 2: I really want to get rid of Darlene, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: he's going to kill her, and he's not going to
Speaker 2: take the baby. He's going to give it to a stranger.
Speaker 2: Like sense either to me?
Speaker 3: It makes nose. Yeah, when the partner, it seems like
Speaker 3: in those domestic cases, yeah, no one cares. The male
Speaker 3: never cares about the unborn child, right yeah right, like
Speaker 3: yeah what he never gives a second thought? Right, And
Speaker 3: I too, like that's and the whole point of killing her,
Speaker 3: I think in those situations is because she's pregnant. Yes, right,
Speaker 3: so yeah you're one stone, yeah right exactly. In their mind,
Speaker 3: this is easy, peasy, ye know, a quick fixed. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is no I know. Yeah, Darlene did have a
Speaker 3: protection order. Again, there was domestic violence. Roberto sounds like
Speaker 3: he was had those kind of relationships with where they
Speaker 3: was violent because it was not only Darlene, but also
Speaker 3: an ex had pulled a protection order on him. So
Speaker 3: they were all like see c it could have been him.
Speaker 3: It was probably him that did this to her. So
Speaker 3: they're coming at no responsibility. They are truly no guilt,
Speaker 3: not guilty plea enter was, you know, and they're just
Speaker 3: standing by it. I didn't do it. It was somebody else.
Speaker 3: I just happened to get Darlene's baby. Yeah, okay, because
Speaker 3: that's how the world works, right, Yes.
Speaker 2: I was in the right place.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. I was like, hey, look what we got.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So in the closing argument that was that
Speaker 3: Roberto had killed his girlfriend, that he had demonstrated a
Speaker 3: pattern of violence consistent with murder, and she had given
Speaker 3: testimony that Roberto had attacked and choked her. Okay, and
Speaker 3: she's just coming out with all of all of these stories.
Speaker 3: So the jury her testimony also that a first aid
Speaker 3: kit was taken from the victim's apartment that contained DNA
Speaker 3: from both Rodriguez and the baby. They found the Schmernoff
Speaker 3: bottle with Julie's fingerprints, and then you have your ex
Speaker 3: boyfriend who you have a ppo against, but he's coming
Speaker 3: over because that's the fuck upness of life. Unfortunately, So yes,
Speaker 3: Roberto's fingerprints are going to be on it, and like
Speaker 3: you said, you always have to look at the partner
Speaker 3: and domestic situation for sure. But he is nowhere. He's
Speaker 3: nowhere near her apartment. July twenty fourth, they're trying to
Speaker 3: say he was. They bring out witnesses saying, oh, I
Speaker 3: saw Roberto near here and he looked scared and disheveled.
Speaker 3: I called out his name. He ran. He was seen
Speaker 3: near as cemetery nearby. And so the defense was trying
Speaker 3: to elude that the missing sexual organs of Darlene from
Speaker 3: that that's he was seen by there, because that's where
Speaker 3: he had dropped off the organs. That that's worth in
Speaker 3: the cemetery. So they convicted Julie, thank god, after all
Speaker 3: the fucking show bullge, horse and pony show. Yes, Julie A. Cory.
Speaker 3: She was convicted of murder in the first degree on
Speaker 3: theories of deliberate premeditation, extreme atrocity or cruelty, and felony
Speaker 3: murder with the predicate felony of aggravated kidnapping of twenty
Speaker 3: three year old Darlene Haynes. And that conviction came on
Speaker 3: twelfth February twenty fourteen, so it took five years to
Speaker 3: this day, five long years and lots of complications. And
Speaker 3: when you're throwing all this bs, you know, I can
Speaker 3: imagine the prosecuting office. They are dotting eyes and crossing
Speaker 3: t's for this bullshit of not me, not me with
Speaker 3: the baby with the dried blood. Oh you know it
Speaker 3: should be I'm just gonna throw this out here, not
Speaker 3: like you know how the premise of the purge per se,
Speaker 3: but there should be a shake the shit out of
Speaker 3: you day that you just fucking get five picks, five picks,
Speaker 3: shake the shit out of them, make a short list,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now she gets convicted on February twelfthy fourteen. Her
Speaker 3: son come down a week later, on the eighteenth of February.
Speaker 3: She sentenced to life in prison without parole. Now here's
Speaker 3: a little cavey, I a little hold up. Five years later,
Speaker 3: her felony murder conviction was tossed, was it. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: five years later, twenty nineteen, it gets tossed, the judge
Speaker 3: saying that there wasn't enough evidence to prove she committed
Speaker 3: aggravated kidnapping during the killing. And she also, so.
Speaker 2: I'll explain, like a felony murder conviction, you are charged
Speaker 2: with felony murder when you commit another felony in the
Speaker 2: course of committing a murder. Okay, So that's like the difference.
Speaker 2: So if she did not do the aggravated kidnapping, which
Speaker 2: is the murder, then she can't be charged with felony murder.
Speaker 2: She could still be charged with murder in the first
Speaker 2: degree or second degree or whatever. But there's the levels
Speaker 2: and with like sentencing and stuff like that depending on
Speaker 2: what crime that you are charged with. So it's important
Speaker 2: to note. If she was convicted of felony murder, then
Speaker 2: if they throw out the underlying felony that she committed,
Speaker 2: she can be convicted of felony murder anymore. Oh, they'd
Speaker 2: have to reconvict her on a different murder chock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my gosh, what a shit show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because she convicts people, and that's how they
Speaker 2: convict people. Let's say you and I go and rob
Speaker 2: a bank and I shoot somebody and they die. You
Speaker 2: can still be convicted of felony murder because you are
Speaker 2: committing a felony while the murder happens.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's how the convict people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you you know, you'll hear stories about people
Speaker 2: that are like on death row, and they didn't actually
Speaker 2: pull the trigger or didn't actually commit the murder, and
Speaker 2: that's their whole premise is like, but then they committed
Speaker 2: you know, they got convicted of felony murder because they
Speaker 2: are when the murder hit, they were in the middle
Speaker 2: of committing the crime. They're committing the felony. That's what
Speaker 2: all that means. So and underlying that led to yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Julie. She had also had appealed for a new
Speaker 3: trial on the grounds that she had ineffective counsel. That
Speaker 3: was denied though so now in throwing out her first
Speaker 3: degree murder conviction, the lower court judge said the prosecution
Speaker 3: did not prove that the baby was injured during kidnapping,
Speaker 3: which enhances the crime to aggravate it and allows for
Speaker 3: a fellow any murder charge. Yeah goes yes, Now, they
Speaker 3: needed to prove that the Commonwealth needed to provide expert
Speaker 3: testimony to show the jury how the baby would be
Speaker 3: injured or at risk of death, but did not do so.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, yes, yeah, that you have to prove
Speaker 2: for aggravated kidnapping exactly.
Speaker 3: The Supreme Judicial Court disagreed with the lower court praise God,
Speaker 3: you're right. So now, Darlene, you know she's killed the mother.
Speaker 3: This is their humpback to the lower courts judgment quote.
Speaker 3: The victim who was the mother of the baby was killed,
Speaker 3: and the baby was removed from the victim's womb, along
Speaker 3: with all of the victim's reproductive organs by someone without
Speaker 3: medical training. This was done at the crime scene itself
Speaker 3: and obviously not an austerile environment, the opinion said. The
Speaker 3: jury were also told that the longer this loss continues,
Speaker 3: the more harm and danger there would be for the baby.
Speaker 3: So they concluded that the loss of blood and oxygen
Speaker 3: caused by killing of the mother presents a bodily injury
Speaker 3: to the fetus. Okay, so when she had stopped Darling's
Speaker 3: oxygen and blood, of course that's going to stop the babies. Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: her babies. So the Supreme Judicial Court also denied Julie's
Speaker 3: requests for a new trial, based her on the ineffective council,
Speaker 3: which she claimed because her lawyer did not call for
Speaker 3: the cell phone location expert to detail her whereabouts on
Speaker 3: the night of the murder. Well that's why she's you know, hey,
Speaker 3: it's not right. The good news came on Monday of
Speaker 3: this year, March eighteenth, twenty twenty four, the Supreme Judicial
Speaker 3: Court reversed the lower court's decision and reinstated Julie Corey
Speaker 3: the first degree murder conviction.
Speaker 2: Nice, Oh, she did not get away with it.
Speaker 3: What a journey, What a journey, what a life. There's
Speaker 3: so many victims. You know, Darling has three daughters now,
Speaker 3: and I did read when I was researching. I want
Speaker 3: to say it was her daughter, Jasmine. She spoke out
Speaker 3: at the sentencing for Julie Corey. Oh did. She was
Speaker 3: nine and she said something of the effect of you
Speaker 3: killed my mom.
Speaker 2: And that was mean, Oh, how heartbreaking, how.
Speaker 3: Exactly I mean, for the depth of losing your mother
Speaker 3: at such a young age. And you know, Darlene had
Speaker 3: family who loves her, right, you know, her father, grandmother.
Speaker 3: So there's just senseless loss, as these stories do. And
Speaker 3: you just got to get the I ask the lesson,
Speaker 3: what do we learn from this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. People are assholes, That's what I learned
Speaker 2: from it. I don't know. That's just so I know.
Speaker 2: I always wonder, like we do these stories, and I
Speaker 2: think about like these people, these victims, and then the
Speaker 2: ramifications like it's not only okay Darlene's life, you know,
Speaker 2: she lost her life, she lost her opportunity to see
Speaker 2: her kids grow up and all of that. But then
Speaker 2: the ramifications of everybody like her, her family, her friends,
Speaker 2: you know, and then Julie's too, like family and friends.
Speaker 2: All of these people are innocent victims, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not just the victy them who lost their life. And
Speaker 2: it's such a These stories are just terrible, and I
Speaker 2: just every time I think like, Okay, I've heard the
Speaker 2: worst one, then I hear another.
Speaker 3: One, and I hear around the corner.
Speaker 2: I know, at one point in the podcast, I can
Speaker 2: remember thinking like, what if we run out of stories?
Speaker 2: But that was really naive of me, because they're never
Speaker 2: going to run out of horrible stories, because people are
Speaker 2: horrible and they're evil and they're just terrible to one another,
Speaker 2: and there's always going to be, unfortunately, more victims and
Speaker 2: more stories.
Speaker 3: So I am like, it does seem like when is
Speaker 3: it going to end? When are we smart enough? Because
Speaker 3: I hate a fucking person who acts them. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the that's the top of my list on shake the
Speaker 3: shit out of you, don't you fucking act dumb in
Speaker 3: front of me. I know, the people who think they're
Speaker 3: the smartest ones in the room, the cleverest, the cock yes,
Speaker 3: are always the fucking dumbest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know we've come through, We've come
Speaker 2: across quite a few of those assholes in this podcast.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. And I think about it. You know,
Speaker 3: Darlene's daughter, her father, not Darlene's father, the baby's father
Speaker 3: ended up, Roberto Rodriguez. It lives. The daughter went to
Speaker 3: go be with her dad now and she's raised by
Speaker 3: her father, and you know, just thinking about it, she's fifteen. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's everyone's journey is just so different. You know. I
Speaker 3: keep our heads up and keep going forward, keep that
Speaker 3: balance and give hope on some things. That's what we
Speaker 3: got to do.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you Shannon for the story today.
Speaker 3: Well my pleasure time ya, and it's.
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