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Speaker 1: Four members only. Golf Smarter number three hundred and eighty

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seven pubblished on June four, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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Speaker 3: If you want to minimize deceleration of the club, then

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you're going to have to get busy with your post

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impact intentions to keep driving that thing through. That's the key.

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It's not just over when you strike the ball, You've

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got to drive it through. It's a martial arts. I

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interviewed a champion brick smasher, but he said that the

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point of acceleration is always well passed the first brick.

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If he's chopping eight bricks, he's thinking about way past

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the eighth brick all the way down to the ground,

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like he's going to move his whole body and move

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all the way down through all the bricks, and he

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has to folks on a point, well beyond.

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Speaker 1: This is beyond follow through though.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just all the way to the finish, right, You

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got to stick the finish and you got to work

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it all the way through. And that is what the

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great ball strikers do. And if you know what to

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look for, you can see it.

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Speaker 1: Improve your swing from impact backwards with lag Erickson. This

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is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only.

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Speaker 3: John, Yes, thanks, it's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: I love when people do that when we haven't done anything.

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We've been here the whole time. Bifurcation. I brought it

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up at the end of the last episode, and I

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find it a very interesting topic because I truly, yes,

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we all get to play the courses. We can go

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play pebble and Tory Pines, and there are public courses

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that we get to play that we've seen on tour

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on television and the pros have played. But the PGA

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follows the rules as laid down by the USGA and

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the RNA.

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Speaker 3: The end.

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Speaker 1: Then there are some rules that the USGA says no bifurcation,

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but they'll go yes, we're going to institute this rule

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immediately for the tour, but for everybody else, we're gonna

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wait four or five years. Okay, so that is bifurcation basically.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Really, you know, come on the wedges and the whole

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putter thing. Wait you wait thirty years, somebody starts winning

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with a long putter and you gotta get rid of

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anchored putters.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty ridiculous, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It sure seems that way to me.

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Speaker 3: I'm against it, you know, I'm against banning the long putters,

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even though I don't use long putter and I don't

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like the long putters. But the fact that it's been

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around this long for them to just go ahead and

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say it's banned.

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Speaker 1: Without talking to anybody about it, you're just doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, the USGA has made a lot of

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big mistakes over the years. It probably started by allowing

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metal woods in the first place, because golf was a

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game of woods and irons. I mean, for the entire

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history of the game from the very beginning was woods

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and irons. So when you talk tradition, woods and irons

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right all the way through. And now baseball they're still

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hitting a wood bat right, leather glove and a leather ball, right.

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I mean, it hasn't changed that much. Football they still

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have a leather football, I think, don't they? Yes, you know,

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cricket still a wooden bat, so you know, nobody's jumping

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up and down about that. Are they with baseball using

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a wooden bat?

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Speaker 1: Well, baseball and on the professional levels pretty much the

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only level that is using wooden bats. Everybody else is

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using metal bats.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And Little League right everything.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And as a matter of fact, the National League

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is the only league that doesn't have designated hitter. If

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you go on all the other leagues, designated here is

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kind of like the standard thing. But people are like, no,

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it ruins the tradition. Oh stop it. But so, how

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do you feel about hybrids? I mean, in thirty years,

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the USGA may come out and go, you know what,

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hybrids make it too easy to hit out of the rough.

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We're going to make them legal. It's like, wait a minute,

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we've been using these, we were raised on hybrids.

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Speaker 3: Now it's not fair for a kid, for or a

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kid that was, you know, eight years old, picked up

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the game and just his dad handed him a long

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putter and said, hey, yes, this it's easier, and he

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learns how to use that. So to take that out

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of his hand just isn't really fair. It's ridiculous actually,

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But I would argue that it never should have been

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legal in the first place. I mean, long putters never

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should have been allowed in the first place. Metal woods

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and the giant frying pans and cavity backs and all

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this stuff never should have been allowed in the first place. However,

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since they have, you can't just go back all these

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years later and then make them illegal. So I'm against that,

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but I'm against what they did in the first place,

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if that makes sense. But given be consistent, Yeah, but

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be consistent because that's tradition. Like I was raised that

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golf was a game of respect and tradition. Right, you

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don't cheat, you know, you learn, it's a gentleman's game.

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You're you know, it's not like other sports, like you're

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you're polite, you're playing.

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Speaker 1: There's no coach along referees.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was one of the beauty, the beauty

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of the game and one of the great virtues of

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the game, and and brought a lot of great people

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to the game. But all that's gone now, you know,

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that's gone now because with the gear and the break

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from tradition has been I can't think of a sport

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that's been more run over by technology than golf has.

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I mean, I think it's it's crazy. This game of

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tradition is no, it's no longer a game of tradition.

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It hasn't been for quite a while. It's now more,

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really more a game of technology.

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Speaker 1: So the PGA Tour should have their own set of rules.

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Speaker 3: Well, some tour should, I mean, whether it's PGA. I

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think there should just be a new a new tour

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that starts up like a person tour, where you just say, okay,

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we're our own organization. These are the rules.

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Speaker 1: Oh you think the TV would buy into that? Yeah,

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I think I don't. You know, some people love seeing

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the ball fly three hundred and fifty yards.

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Speaker 3: But on TV, so you can't see it fly that,

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you know what I mean, It wouldn't matter. You can't

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see much on TV.

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Speaker 1: So oh, look the balls up in the sky. What's

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I have no idea because they're doing a close up

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with the ball the whole time. You don't know that

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there's a Yeah. When I first started playing, I was

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blown away. It's like they said, oh, what a beautiful shot,

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but he hit a way to the right. What is that?

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I had no idea that was such a thing as

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a draw, you know, and it's like, oh, that's supposed

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to do that. No.

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Speaker 3: I mean if you look at other sports, let's say,

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other sports of bifurcation is happening, right, I mean look

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at football, for instance. I mean you've got the Canadian

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rules football. You've got these different indoor arena you've got

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in soccer, rugby, rugby, union, rugby league. I mean there's

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these different versions of you know, how about softball, you know, softball, baseball,

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you know, there's different There's there's professional women's softball. If

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there's professional women's softball, there can certainly be professional men's.

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Per Simon to her, I think, you know, it doesn't

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necessarily have to be as big as the PGA tour,

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but this could be a place where you know, the

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real shot makers and the real players like they go

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maybe like like a jazz club. Okay, this is a

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real good the good musicians go down here and they

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played out at Smokey's or whatever on you know, Tuesday

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nights at midnight or whatever. From you know that sort

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of thing. I think there's room for a tour like

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that where there really more of a ball Striker's Tour

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because on a tighter course or the rough's higher and

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you have to hit it straight and this sort of thing.

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Greens are smaller and all this. It's a different game, right,

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and having to shape and curve the ball and work

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it correctly and position in the right side of the Pharaowah.

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It's not how many farries you hit, it's about are

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you hitting it in the correct side of the faraway?

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You know, that's how good the guys used to be,

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you know, to be able to hit it which which

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side of the pharaoway, not just his swing as hard

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as you can and figure, okay, half the time the

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ball is going to land in the faraway and that's

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kind of Guys are winning on the PGA Tour hitting

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less than fifty percent of their ferries. That's crazy, that's

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not that's not professional quality. So by furication is necessary

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I think for golf to to really hold some kind

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of traditional value which is lost now. So other sports

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again what so interesting?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting topics sports, I mean, other.

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Speaker 3: Sports are all are all, you know, branching off. I

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mean most other sports have branched off. I mean football's

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branched off.

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, yeah, and you even have you know,

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from from the college level to the pro level, there's

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different rules on a lot of sports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of a lot of different rules. So

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I think it's just a natural progression, and I hope

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and I hope that conversations like this and well, obviously

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more and more people are talking about it. When I

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you know, I didn't play golf for thirteen years, so

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when I left the tour, I didn't want to be

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a club pro and sit in the shop and sell

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socks or whatever. That just wasn't my thing. So I

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just went off and did you know, other things. And

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when I came back to golf, Actually, my wife wanted

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to learn how to play golf, and she didn't even know,

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really I was a golfer. She found some old maggating

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clippings or something, you know, and saw, oh, while you

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were like a champion golfer, and uh, and I we

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talked about that. She said, oh, I've always wanted to

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learn how to play golf. So I kind of looked

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around for a driving range.

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Speaker 1: How did you tuck that away and make it like

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it's part of your life?

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Speaker 3: I had played in thirteen years, so I mean I

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had I had, you know, clippings and boxes and stuff

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like that, but I just I just didn't play. It

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just wasn't interesting to me to go out and not

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play as well as I used to. Like, that wasn't

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something I wanted to do other things. Oh wait, well

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made you quit the traveling? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Is that what it was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got tired. I was on the road eight

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months of the year for seven years, so it was

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a lot of traveling and that's exhausting. Yeah, I just, uh,

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I when I retired, I had full exemptions and everything.

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I didn't quit because I wasn't playing well. I just

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thought there's more to life than just doing this and

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I wasn't reaching the level. I didn't put good enough

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really to to win consistently. I was able to win,

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you know. I won on the Canadian Tour shot seventeen

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ninnder hitting per Simon and blades. Never hit a par

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five and two. You know, it's not like the guys

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are playing par sixty eights now because they hit every

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If you're hitting every par five with an iron, that's

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Speaker 1: But it's par five for the rest of us.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but attill level at the pro level. But

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I'm seeing when I was playing on the pro level, say,

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for instance, the week that I won, the par fives

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were not necessarily reachable in two. I didn't hit any

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of them in two all week. You know, there were

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three shot holes, so that was actually a par seventy two.

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that with persimmon and blades. So if a young player

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thinks he's a good golfer, let's see that. Let's here's

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persimmon and blades go ot. Let's see you go shoot

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seventeen nineer where you can't hit a par five and

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two and so can you do it? Well? Can you

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do it? So?

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Speaker 1: Then you don't like cavity back blades either. You want

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to see blade just blades.

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Speaker 3: Well at the professional level, Yes, I think that would

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be better because it's going to be a better test

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for the professionals. Again, there's the bifurcation issue. The club

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players can that's fine, you know, if eighty year olds

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want to propel the ball out farther. But another way,

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it is kind of silly, because that's why they have

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like the different te's, like the white tea and the

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blue te's and the black te's and that sort of thing.

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I mean really you could still hit per Simmon and

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just and the the barettis play.

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Speaker 1: It forward that movement that was going on last year

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and trying to catch some steam and it doesn't seem

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to be. But that's just so everyone can be able

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to TF where you want, as long as you can

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get an eight iron, you know, approach shot like the

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pros do, you know, make it more like that.

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Speaker 3: But another thing for the club players is when they

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when they do have professional tournaments on their course, the

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members that are club they don't want to see the

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pros come out and shoot sixty two in their golf course,

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you know, oh gr course. You know, they want to

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see the pros, you know, shooting par or maybe a

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couple under par, a lot of the pro shooting over par,

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and that gives them pride. A lot of the members

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at these classical courses, they have a lot of pride

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in their course and they don't want the pros coming

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here and just driving their par furs. And hitting wedges

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into par fives and on a little sixty five hundred

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yard course or something. I mean, it's disrespectful to the

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course interest to the members. You know, like this course

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right out here, beautiful little golf of course. Members don't

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want to see that. They don't want to so.

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Speaker 1: They want to do it. They don't want to see

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someone else doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But if the player, if the pros are hitting it,

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hitting the ball, say two hundred and fifty yards like

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they were when the course was designed, it was did

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the bunker the placement of the bunkers is based upon

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two hundred and fifty yard drives, right, and then the

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course is relevant, it's historically relevant. And another thing is

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course records. You know, like a course record that was

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shot in the sixties where guy was hitting for Simon

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and Blades. I mean Rancho Park in Los Angeles is

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a perfect example that course record. I think it's sixty

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two and that was shot in nineteen sixty eight or

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sixty nine and it still holds to this day. Wow.

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You know, even against all the modern gear, that really

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says something. But even if a young player goes out

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there and shoots sixty one with the modern gear. Yeah,

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let's see you do it with the old staff, then

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which was better? Or what if a kid shoots sixty

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two with the new stuff? Well, which record is better?

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M You know what I mean? Which is better to

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do it with persimmon and blades and a blot of

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or doing it with a ball in a club that

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hit drives the ball fifty yards farther?

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Speaker 1: How do you compare different eras? And like that conversation

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in basketball I always find really interesting because the guys

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have gotten taller and stronger, but the court's the same,

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The ball is the same, the height of the rim

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is the same, and scoring is basically the same. And

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even today scoring has not changed dramatically that much with

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all this new gear. But it's easier to hit with

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the newer gear when you and I'd love to let's

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talk more about Advanced Ballstriking dot com. In your method

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of teaching, do you teach people when you get someone new,

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do you stick per simmons and blades in their hands

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and say, let's start with this and then once that

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gets easy, you're going to love the game.

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't require my students to hit persimon,

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But I explained to them the advantages of doing so.

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For one, they're heavier as well, and to play them.

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I mean, for one, there they're heavier and your body's

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going to get stronger by swinging them. So all of

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a sudden, the club that seems really heavy. Six months

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later you pick up a modern club, you're like, what

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the heck is this lightweight piece of garbage? You just

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want to throw it away, But you can't feel the club.

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See golf. Golf is a game of feel, and you

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can feel a heavier club in your hands. You want

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to be able to feel where the club faces throughout

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your swing at through impact. It's not just a blur

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down there. You're not just swatting at it. It's not

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just nothing. So there's that aspect of being able to

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feel the club so that you can hit it straighter. Now,

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when you have more masks in the head and you

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start holding shaftles, then you can hit it farther than

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you would have when you first started hitting per Simon.

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And then there's also the aesthetic of persimmon. It's beautiful,

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you know, piece of wood down there, they're refinishing and

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you can work on the personmon yourself. I mean you

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can drill holes in it, add lead to it. You know,

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you can do all sorts of modifications, personal modifications. We've

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got a lot of our students are getting into the

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art of the craftsmanship of person and restoration and altering

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their clubs so that they can like the li angles

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are I play very flat? You know, it's about six

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degrees flat li angles, And we teach typically a flatter

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type of a swing because if you swing flatter than

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the club works more around your body, so that now

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when you turn your body towards the target, you're using

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your body rather than you're using your body to propel

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the club rather than lifting it up above your head.

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You can't really start turning your body and this just

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comes straight down over the top, you know, and you

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hit a pole. And the worst place to miss a

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green typically is long and left over a green, because

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that's going to give you a downhill chip that's sloping

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left to right. For a right handed player. That's the

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most golf courses, especially the older courses, that's not the

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place to hit it. You're better to miss short right

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because it's an uphill chip from and it's a right

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to left chip, which is usually easier for people. So

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we want to set up our gear and our swing

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so that we don't miss long and left, and that

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the miss, while it might not be pretty, our miss

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is going to be short and right and not long

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and left. So we set our gear and our swing

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up to that end. And what's happened is a lot

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of the students are improving by leaps and bounds because

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they're hitting the ball straighter and they're not missing long

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and left, and they're not coming over the top of

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the shot, and they're getting better contact. And the main

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thing is that they're hitting the ball straighter, and then

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they get they end up hitting the ball longer because

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from the drills and exercises that we do, because we're

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very interested in increasing our flexibility and our muscular strength

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through training, and over time, the players end up getting

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much better. I just played with a student yesterday that

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was a he was a nineties shooter and he's now

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shooting in the mid seventies and this is over about

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two years and he's hitting per Simon and blades real.

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So what does that say. It says something good is happening.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. Well, and it sounds like one of the

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things that you seem to be a big advocate on

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without saying it, but strategy, And I think that that

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is one of the things. And I think we talked

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about this, But the way I think about this whole

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concept of golf Smarter and how I got started with this,

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is that I really believe that if you have a

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strong mental game, which you talked you touched upon initially,

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if you have a strong mental game and you understand strategy,

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you can lower your scores a lot faster than if

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you just work on your swing mechanics.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, yeah. Course management in the in the later.

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Speaker 1: Course management is you know, that's I call it strategy,

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but everyone else calls it course management. But you know,

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it's it's not hitting your driver on every hole. It's

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not on the par five's hitting your three wood on

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the second shot because you want to get it within

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thirty yards of the green because you know you're not

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gonna make it. And then you have a thirty yard

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shot and you don't practice a thirty yard shot. You know,

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strategy it seems to be more demanding when you're using

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per simmons and blades.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, And there's there's just a there's what you

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want to have the there's a beauty and an art

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to playing golf, and a lot of that is a strategy.

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Once you learn the ball striking, we learn how to

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hit it straight. That's what we teach people how to

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hit it straight, so that then they can start applying strategy.

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If you're hitting the ball all over the golf course

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all the time, then I mean you can kind of

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strategize a little bit, but for the most part, you're

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just trying to make contact and just sort of get

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the thing out there somewhere to get it down or

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the green. But when you become a better ball striker,

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it's like, okay, well if where's where's the where's the

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miss here? You know where's the miss Okay, here's what

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I want to do. But if I'm gonna miss it,

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I'm going to miss it over to the right, or

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I'm going to miss it here or there or whatever

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left of the pain and are below the hole, I'm

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going to keep it below the hole. You want to

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be putting uphill you want to probably be putting. If

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you're a right handed player, you probably want to have

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right to left putts. If you can and below the

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hole and as far as shots into the greens, then

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you know, you want to be hitting off the faraway.

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It's easier to hit the ball farwy than out of

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the rough of the trees, so you want to be

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in the fair. I'd rather be in the faraway hitting

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a foe iron than in the rough hitting a six iron.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for me, I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: But at some point, like I say, with the PGA

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two or the guys are hitting it, you know, three

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hundred and forty yards, so they're hitting they'd rather be

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in the rough with a wedge than playing golf thirty

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forty years ago where they're hitting two iron out of

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the rough, you know, or four iron out of the rough.

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So it's changed. But yeah, strategy. So our course of

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advanced ball striking we have eleven modules, and the early

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ones are base about, you know, training the muscles and

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getting the swing correct so that you can We work

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towards holding shaftles, minimizing club face rotation post impact, and

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swinging the club on plane through the strike, but not

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on the backswing and not necessarily even at transition. We

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believe in flattening the shaft out at transition so that

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the swing plane becomes three dimensional and not two dimensional.

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We don't believe in the two dimensional swing plane. It's

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it's not a plane really, only through the strike, and

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that's created through tension and opposing forces. So you've got

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something pulling one way and then pulling the opposite way.

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trying to come from underplane pre impact, and then post

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impact you're trying to pressure the club out the opposite way.

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So this creates an opposing pressure and an opposing force

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in the hands, which creates more feel. So you're there's

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a term that we use called fighting the orbit pull.

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golf club at impact, it's going to hit the ground

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and kick out to the right. But we're gonna resist that.

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We're going to try and move the club more left

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and around our body as we swing through it. But

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for that to work, we need to be coming from

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what we call the four thirty line, which is more

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from the inside coming down. So you come from the inside,

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then you work it around the body, and the only

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way to do that is to anchor it through ground pressures,

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through proper application of foot footwork, legwork and the hips

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and the torsa rotation. So there's a little bit of

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technique involved, and that's why we train hard in the

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beginning to get that down so that then the later modules,

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as we get into modules nine, ten and eleven, then

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we're all it's all about shaping the ball and curving

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it and how we're gonna do it in a more

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sophisticated way. And the beauty of the approach is that

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to shape the ball, to curve it left and right,

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draw and fade it. With the ABS method, you don't

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have to change anything in your setup. You don't have

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to change anything on your back swing, nothing to transition,

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nothing on the downswing. You do it all post impact.

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impact onward?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, onward. So in other words, the modules are

475
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set up basically so that you're always swinging into something

476
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,759
that you've already rehearsed. So we sort of train the

477
00:22:13,799 --> 00:22:18,599
swinging backwards, like we teach what the muscles should be

478
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,519
doing after you strike the ball, so that when you

479
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,319
go back to working on the backswing and transition, then

480
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,680
when you come down to the ball, you already know

481
00:22:25,759 --> 00:22:29,799
what to do, so you're swinging into familiar territory. Most

482
00:22:29,839 --> 00:22:34,559
golf instruction would say, okay, you know chronological right grip,

483
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:36,880
stance and posture, and then we work on the backswing,

484
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,440
and then we get you perfect at the top, and

485
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,359
then we work on it. But what happens is you

486
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,240
can have all that stuff lined up. You can go

487
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,000
to the driving agency guys with perfect setups, perfect backswings.

488
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,400
It just hit the ball horrible. So the idea that

489
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,480
a perfect setup is going to lead to a perfect backswing,

490
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,839
it's going to lead down to perfect impact. It's just false.

491
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,319
It's just fallacy. It's just fiction. M So what you

492
00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:59,319
want to learn to do is to strike through the

493
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ball properly and post impact, because the the golf swing

494
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,279
doesn't just end at the ball, and that's a tough

495
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:06,920
thing for people to get. They say, well, you know,

496
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,640
the ball's left the club, it's over with, right, what

497
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,400
does it matter? You know, that's what everybody thinks.

498
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: I've always thought that the contact was in the middle

499
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,359
of your swing, right.

500
00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: Most people think that once the ball leaves a club, hey,

501
00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,079
that's it, that doesn't matter. But what they don't understand

502
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,519
is that the impact. And when I talked about in

503
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:35,359
the other when we were talking earlier about the sound

504
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,799
of the golf ball and being struck, you different frequency

505
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,680
holding shaftles and hitting it with pressure and force. Uh,

506
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,160
this has to be worked on post impacts. In other words,

507
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359
if the golf club's coming in at one hundred miles

508
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,480
an hour into impact, the less the club had slows down,

509
00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:56,039
the more feedback you're going to get through the shaft,

510
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,960
and the more deeper you're going to compress the golf ball.

511
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,240
If the club is say moving ninety miles an hour

512
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,519
after impact, it's compared with it moving sixty miles an

513
00:24:05,559 --> 00:24:07,279
hour after impact. So you come in at one hundred

514
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,440
and it leaves at sixty, the club heads moving sixty

515
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,400
after impact. That's you don't you don't want to have

516
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,519
that big loss. See so everybody thinks, well, what does

517
00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,680
it matter. Well, if you if you want to continue

518
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,400
to have the club moving, if you want the club,

519
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480
if you want to minimize deceleration of the club, then

520
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,319
you're going to have to get busy with your post

521
00:24:25,319 --> 00:24:29,839
impact intentions to keep driving that thing through. Okay, And

522
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,440
that's the that's the key. It's not just over. When

523
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,039
you strike the ball, you've got to you've got to

524
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,359
drive it through. And that's it's martial arts. It's talked

525
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,839
about martial arts all the time. You look at karate,

526
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,720
and I interviewed like a champion brick smasher guy. You know,

527
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,559
they chops through bricks and with his fists and head

528
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:52,039
and everything. But he said that the point of intention

529
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,039
of acceleration is always well past the brick on the

530
00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:59,319
first brick. If he's chopping eight bricks, he's thinking about

531
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,480
way past the eighth brick all the way down to

532
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,160
the ground, like he's going to move his whole body

533
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,240
and move all the way down through all the bricks,

534
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,680
and he has to focus on a point well beyond.

535
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: This is beyond follow through though.

536
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, just all the way to the finish, right, you

537
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,720
got to stick the finish and you got to work

538
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,759
it all the way through. And that is what the

539
00:25:15,759 --> 00:25:17,599
great ball strikers do. And if you know what to

540
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,160
look for, you can see it. You know, it's a

541
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,920
lot of it's keeping the pressure moving through the strike

542
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,599
so that the ball gets the deepest compression and that

543
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,359
the club head decelerates the least possible you want it

544
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,519
to you know, you can't. Actually, I don't think anyone

545
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:39,319
who has actually been able to have the club head

546
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,640
moving faster than it was after it strikes the ball.

547
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,640
But that's because of the weight of the ball and

548
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,160
the collision, the physics collision of impact.

549
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: Oh, sure, it's going to slow down.

550
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 3: But if you take the ball out of the equation,

551
00:25:53,599 --> 00:25:58,200
then yes, you can move the club faster beyond low

552
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,480
point if there's no ball there. You see what I'm saying.

553
00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:02,960
That's a different kind of thing, and that's the kind

554
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,640
of swing. It's going to hit the ball better. That's

555
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,680
what the greats did. They moved the club. I mean,

556
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,279
Ben Hogan talked about that in his book. I mean

557
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:11,119
I go back to Ben Hogan just because people are

558
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:12,400
more familiar with that, but there are a lot of

559
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:13,400
other great strikers too.

560
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: Don't tell me you figured out his secret, please.

561
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I figured out. Oh you have holding shaft fluck. Sure, yeah,

562
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,640
it's everything that he talked about holding shaft flucks. Yeah,

563
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,680
but of course there wasn't just one secret. That's silly

564
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,559
because in the golf swing there has to be a

565
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,920
two secrets. Because if you if you say, well, you

566
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,759
have to slot the club a transition, Well, then you

567
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,440
have to do something else post impact to handle that.

568
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,559
So it has to be there's always if this, then

569
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,319
that so secret. It has to have anes on it.

570
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,200
There has to be at least secrets. And of course

571
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,039
I think it was just something he had fun with.

572
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,160
But you know, did did did Hogan have a secret? Well? Yeah,

573
00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:51,400
you know he had a lot of secrets.

574
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:57,039
Speaker 1: It's dark, very dark. Do you screen your students? Do

575
00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,359
in a way that you're like, you know what, I

576
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,400
think I have another teacher that would be better for

577
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,039
you right now? Is a beginning golfer?

578
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: I yeah, I do all the time. Yeah. I have

579
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,920
them fill out a questionnaire with a lot of questions

580
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,599
that I look at and if I don't feel like

581
00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:12,279
they're a good fit, then I just you know, there's

582
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,160
I'd rather give my attention to people that I think

583
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,759
are correct. And it doesn't necessarily mean that.

584
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: Is it more about a level of commitment or.

585
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:22,039
Speaker 3: It's a lot of things. Yeah, it's an attitude. It's

586
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:23,319
commitment like.

587
00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm going on vacation this week. I just need

588
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,400
to be more consistent. You know, it's give me a

589
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,079
lesson or duw, it's going to help, and you're like.

590
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 3: No, yeah, I mean, I'm not doing this necessarily just

591
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,920
for money. I mean, it's not a money thing. I mean,

592
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,480
there's other ways to make money that are much more

593
00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:40,960
lucrative than being a golf pro or teaching, you know pro.

594
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,599
I do this because I think I think the game

595
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,880
is suffering. I think people are wanting to improve and

596
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,119
they don't know how. And there's a lot of people

597
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,559
that really want to learn the old art form of

598
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
hitting the golf ball. It's not so you playing people.

599
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,319
Speaker 1: Those aren't beginners. I mean you're not.

600
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I take I take on beginners if

601
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,799
they have the right kind of attitude, you know. Does

602
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,880
that mean, in other words, if they if they are

603
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,200
passionate about learning how to strike it, like, you know,

604
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,720
maybe say, Hey, I'm a beginner, but I've been watching

605
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,839
you know, some old YouTube footage of some of the

606
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,680
old shells matches, and boy, I just like I can

607
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,759
see you know, I understand. I've been to your site.

608
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:19,599
I can I can see what you're talking about. I'd

609
00:28:19,599 --> 00:28:21,519
like to learn it that way, you know. I want

610
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:22,839
to learn how to hit it straight. I want to

611
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,160
learn strategy. I want to learn you know, I want

612
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,920
to feel connected to the history of the game. You know,

613
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,880
I don't want to feel the disconnect. You know, somebody

614
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,839
writes me a letter like that, I'm going to say, absolutely,

615
00:28:31,839 --> 00:28:33,279
I'm gonna take you on as a student, right, But

616
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:33,759
what if.

617
00:28:33,599 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: They say, I want to learn this. I want to

618
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,839
learn that, I want to become better at this, but

619
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,319
I really don't have time to practice. I can only

620
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:43,519
play once maybe twice a week, and if I practice,

621
00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:45,160
it's my warm up before around.

622
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:46,839
Speaker 3: Well though, those people a lot of times will work

623
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,319
well for me too, because a lot of the drill,

624
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,079
a lot of the drills with that we do are

625
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,480
maybe you can do it in your basement, your garage,

626
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,160
or in your backyard with an impact back. At least

627
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,119
you get started the first three modules. A lot of

628
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,240
like just strengthening, so that stuff can be done for

629
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:01,079
someone that doesn't have a whole lot of time to

630
00:29:01,119 --> 00:29:03,480
be out there pounding golf balls. You know, you have

631
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:05,599
time to hit five hundred golf balls a day, or

632
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:08,000
you know, play six days a week. I mean, most

633
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,440
people don't. So this is a way to learn how

634
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,759
to strike the ball well without necessarily having to spend

635
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,440
you know, four or five hours a day grinding golf

636
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,279
balls and playing. So yeah, but again, if somebody just

637
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,880
comes to me and says, hey, you know, I I

638
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,079
want to play. You know, I have an upright swing,

639
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,440
and you know I want to keep swinging a frying

640
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,720
pan driver with an upright swing, and I want to

641
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:34,119
swing it like you know, I'm only concerned with how

642
00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:36,559
far I hit the ball, and but can you teach

643
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,680
me how to hit it farther? And but I just

644
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,680
kind of want to you know, I don't really want

645
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,920
to do these modules or the stuff that you're talking about.

646
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,839
Then you know, I'm just going to pass on that. Yeah,

647
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,079
you know that sort of thing. So it just depends.

648
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:50,160
I mean, i'd look over the questionnaire.

649
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,119
Speaker 1: And you know how many questions on your questionnaire?

650
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,319
Speaker 3: Oh? I think there's probably about twenty maybe.

651
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,559
Speaker 1: And is one of the questions you ask whether people

652
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,839
gamble when they play golf?

653
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: No?

654
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,759
Speaker 1: No, Because I worked with the club fitter and he

655
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:09,839
had this one hundred and ten questions you know that

656
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,720
he wanted, you know, because he was going to be

657
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,440
screening who he's going to be working with, and one

658
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,559
of them was do you gamble in golf?

659
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,119
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I should probably add.

660
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,319
Speaker 1: That, why tell me why. That's a good question.

661
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,759
Speaker 3: Because a gambler isn't going to want to suffer for

662
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,240
a few months and have to you know, change their swing.

663
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,400
You know, some of the students, you know, you have

664
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,359
to kind of take a couple of steps back, you know,

665
00:30:31,359 --> 00:30:33,960
you have to retrain what the body's doing. So you know,

666
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:38,039
it's not uncommon for somebody to not play as well

667
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,319
for the first few months and then when they get

668
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:41,440
the hang of it and then all of a sudden

669
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,880
catapults them forward, then they play better than they did.

670
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,200
So but yeah, that's a good question because a gambler

671
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,680
wouldn't want to you know, he's not going to risk

672
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:50,039
losing his money for a couple of months, right, So

673
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:50,839
that's well.

674
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:54,039
Speaker 1: It's funny because when when he was reviewing my questions,

675
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:56,000
he went through and he goes, you don't gamble when

676
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,160
you play golf, and went, no, not at all, And

677
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,079
he goes, what's the point why do you play golf?

678
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:05,079
It's like, really, does it have to be about money?

679
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah? Does every I mean, how about surfers? You know,

680
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,480
I think about surfers lotsuse I grew up along the coast.

681
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,119
And what about surfers, I mean, are they out there?

682
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,240
You know? Is it all about money and Gavolet.

683
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's about the next wave, right, It's like.

684
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: It's about the experience, you know. And golf there's a lot,

685
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,440
you know, some of the most enjoyable moments in golf

686
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,759
for me are just playing alone, just going out there

687
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:25,920
in the afternoon with a few balls, dropping the ferry,

688
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400
just shaping it and just you know, it's quiet. You

689
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,000
know where I play, uh, you know, out of Mayor Islands,

690
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,160
my home course, and you got wild turkeys out there

691
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,920
and all sorts of nature, and there's you know, fresh

692
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,799
blackberries along the sides of the faraways and even I've

693
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,839
even found like a wild asparagus growing along the you know.

694
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,000
I mean you can go out there and just dine.

695
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,079
Speaker 1: Well. Mare Island's an interesting course too. It's you know,

696
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,920
it's I think it's the oldest course west of the Mississippi.

697
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,640
It was a nine hole course built on what it's

698
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,440
an army base or navy base over there.

699
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a may Island naval base, right.

700
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:06,839
Speaker 1: And then it was expanded to eighteen holes. I don't

701
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:10,880
know if you knew Robin Nelson. Robin grew up the

702
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,720
back nine or yeah, he did the back nine. He

703
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:16,759
grew up in Marin County. Here. He went to school

704
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:22,480
with Pete Carroll, the football coach, and unfortunately passed away

705
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,119
last year. He was he was a great guy and

706
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,880
came out once. We've had multiple conversations, but yeah, he

707
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,039
used to have the heat. So he did the back

708
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,680
nine on Mary Island and it's it's a fun it's

709
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,119
a fun track. It's a really fun tough track.

710
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,039
Speaker 3: When I was out there yesterday, I mean because it

711
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,480
could be wind blowing thirty five miles an hour out there,

712
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:45,440
and the ferries are, you know, super tight, and you

713
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,000
can't miss I mean that the third hole, that part three.

714
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,720
I mean it's you're hitting a three or four iron

715
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,759
into a green and the shrub brush on the left

716
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:56,039
edge of the green. It's elevated tea and you're dead

717
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:57,759
into the wind and you're back there with a long

718
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,960
iron and that the green looks sounds like a poster stamp.

719
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,000
And if you miss the green, you make double period.

720
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:03,599
Yeah there's no bail.

721
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,799
Speaker 1: It's not that long, but you're still hitting with the

722
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:05,200
you got.

723
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: Raspberry bushes on the right side of the green, and

724
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,720
you got shrub brush on the left side of the green,

725
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:10,720
and then you got a bumper in the front. So

726
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,279
if you missed short right then in that bunker maybe

727
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,599
you make bogie. But you know, I took out a fearm,

728
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,599
just stuck it in their fifteen feet yesterday. And just

729
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,759
how long is the hole, my birdy? It plays about

730
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,839
two little over two hundred yards too, but it's a

731
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,640
dead end of the wind. And then the eighth all

732
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960
of course, you know that two hundred and twenty yard

733
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,960
part three, you know, just tough. You know, it's it's

734
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,079
a hard cour you have to hit a straight out there.

735
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:34,799
And that's why I love playing because it's there's no

736
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,519
level lies on the course, nop. I think maybe one,

737
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,160
maybe eleventh. Ferry is the only place you can get

738
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000
a level level eye. So it's side hill lies, combining

739
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:44,759
that with wind into small greens that are tricky and

740
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,480
you have to keep the ball below the hole. That's golf,

741
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,279
I mean for the good player, that's the gamy stuff.

742
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,519
Let's let's see you go play there. There was a

743
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,160
kid that was a you know, want a good college

744
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,119
player down at where I went to school at Fresle State.

745
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,000
A couple of them came up to play Mayor Island

746
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,720
you know with me, and these guys were just barely

747
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:08,840
broke eighty out there, you know. So interesting it says

748
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,280
something for for of course, not having to be long.

749
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,360
I mean, may Island is not a long course, but

750
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,400
it's it's tough, you know. I have yet to In fact,

751
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,880
anytime I bring a pro friend of mine out there,

752
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,119
I say, if you can break par okay and this

753
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,159
little course, there's one hundred dollars waiting in the cup

754
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,360
for you on eighteen that I'll give you if you

755
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,400
can do it. And you can break par nobody's done

756
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:30,960
it yet.

757
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:40,559
Speaker 1: It's a good bet to make. One of the things

758
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,320
you wrote on the website that I found interesting is

759
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,400
the comment of how a great swing feels in the

760
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,559
mind and the body.

761
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yeah, please, because the fact that, well, for

762
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,800
one thing, the heavier gear of the past you have

763
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,199
if if you use heavier gear, you have to engage

764
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,639
the bigger muscles in the body so you can start

765
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,599
to feel the sensation of swinging the club using the

766
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,559
rotational the torso rotational muscle and the legs. The hips

767
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,639
and to feel that inside the body is something that

768
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,360
I think was more accessible in the older in the

769
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,000
older days with the heavier gear, and now with a lightweight,

770
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,599
it's just very easy to slap at it with your

771
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,920
arms in your hands, because that's what people just intuitively

772
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:25,519
want to do. They don't want to turn, they just

773
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:27,639
want to swat at it with their arms in their hands.

774
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,079
And with the modern gear you can kind of get

775
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,679
away with that, you know, especially with the driver and

776
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,360
the hybrids, and maybe not as much with the irons,

777
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,880
but especially with a driver, a lightweight driving just kind

778
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,239
of swat at and the thing goes out there two

779
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,440
hundred and eighty yards so and that's good enough for

780
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,440
most people. So they don't really learn how to feel

781
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,360
the swing from the inside. And then the way we

782
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,920
teach is all about feeling and sensation, universal feelings and sensations.

783
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,039
It's I don't teach it baseball. Well, this is just

784
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:56,719
what I feel, So this is what you do. But

785
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:58,920
if I say that, you know, when you come down

786
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:01,559
from a train transition, you know you need to feel

787
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,639
like you're putting the shaft on a table top. Well,

788
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:07,559
that's like a you know, that's a big tangible sensation

789
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:12,800
that's universal to feel that way. So we talk about

790
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,800
these big tangible sensations that you need to feel in

791
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,159
the body. And I don't create a new module or

792
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:25,400
a swing drill unless it's tested by me and a

793
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
few select students that I'll have work with something for

794
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:30,440
about six months, and then I look at it and

795
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,199
I say, okay, where are we at here? And then

796
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,360
if we all agree that these sensations are you know,

797
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,719
very universal and tangible, then then we go ahead and

798
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,199
release it really through the program. But I don't just

799
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,800
sit there and say, oh, yeah, I have some idea,

800
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,320
you know, here's swing this. I don't I believe in

801
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,480
always swinging a golf club, Like I don't really believe

802
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:50,639
in swinging any number of different drill devices, this sort

803
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:54,360
of thing, all the different swing aid clubs and super

804
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,639
weighted clubs. I don't believe in, or anything with like

805
00:36:57,679 --> 00:37:01,000
super whippi shafts or like a fan on the end

806
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,559
of a club or anything that I think you want

807
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:05,199
to develop your feel that you're swinging a golf club

808
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,440
and something that you would use like you need to

809
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:11,800
feel that club and you can strengthen the muscles through

810
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,480
resistance and impact bags and that sort of thing. You

811
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,960
can you can get strong doing that, but you want

812
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,599
to always have the feel of a golf club in

813
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,360
your hands, because the golf club also has a way

814
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,639
that it's balanced right, So they're toe heavy, there's more

815
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,519
weight out on the toe than the heel, so it

816
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:33,039
kind of flip flops in your hand. And that dispersity

817
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,719
between the sweet spot feel and where and the line

818
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,000
of the shaft is very real as you're swinging the club,

819
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,840
and you need to develop that not only as a feel,

820
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,440
but also as a spatial awareness in the swing. So

821
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,079
so swinging these training aids are a lot of times

822
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,800
are counterproductive because I like to be training everything at

823
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,159
the same time, like club face alignment, feel, shaft, where's

824
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:01,559
the shaft, where's the clubhead? You know, and the weight distribution.

825
00:38:02,559 --> 00:38:07,039
And I also have a very different view on how

826
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,320
to set up golf clubs so that they're all the

827
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,719
same right through this set Like I don't believe in

828
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,360
frequency matching golf shafts. I think it's crap, it's bs,

829
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,320
it's not right. You want to have your shaft set

830
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,800
up deflection, so if they're pressured by a certain amount

831
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,440
of weight that the shaft deflections are going to be

832
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,639
consistent from wedge to driver. And most people don't do this.

833
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,440
A few of the great ball strikers did this in

834
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,920
the past, but that's in one of those little secrets

835
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,280
of the past. Right If you put an eight pound

836
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,400
weight on the end of my golf club, the shaft

837
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,920
rate's going to be the same deflection from wedge to

838
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,599
driver in my set, so I can use the same

839
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:50,880
swing from wedge to driver. I don't have to change anything.

840
00:38:51,079 --> 00:38:54,280
But if you've got shafts that are they may be

841
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,000
frequency matched, which is really nice if they were guitar strings,

842
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,960
you know, but they're not. You know, golf clubs are

843
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,239
not it's not a musical instrument. You know. It's not

844
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,800
a series of guitar strings frequency matched. You know. That's

845
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,639
not what shafts do because when you change the direction

846
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,760
of the golf club at transition, you're putting a stress load,

847
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,599
about eight pounds of stress load at transition. So you

848
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:25,119
need to stress your shafts based upon that, and then

849
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,519
work your set around that. Seve of your shafts cut

850
00:39:28,559 --> 00:39:31,159
and tipped so that they're correctly set up that way,

851
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,280
and then you can just use the same swing from

852
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,199
wedge to driver. You don't have to change anything. But

853
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,159
everybody is using driver shafts, and we've got a graphie

854
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:40,039
shaft in your driver, and you've got something different in

855
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:42,079
your irons and all this sort of thing. And I

856
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,159
had a very well a well known teacher come and

857
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,159
visit me, and he wanted to just talk about his

858
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,559
own swing. So I worked with him a little bit

859
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:54,320
and we looked at his clubs and he was hooking

860
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,880
his driver. I took out his three and I said,

861
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,559
hook this. He couldn't hook it. He had a bent

862
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,400
flat and he was happy and really stiff shaft, but

863
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,639
he could hook his driver. I said, what do you

864
00:40:02,639 --> 00:40:04,800
want to keep hooking your driver? He said, he's not

865
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,440
really And he said what do I need to do

866
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,320
to change my swing? I said, absolutely nothing.

867
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:09,199
Speaker 1: Change the shaft.

868
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,519
Speaker 3: So I gave him. I gave him my driver with

869
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:14,599
a personmon with a you know, telephone pole and a

870
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
really stiff shaft. But it's really not that stiff relative

871
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,800
to my irons. It's the same. It's the same. I

872
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,960
don't use driver chefs. I use iron shafts in my driver.

873
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: Wow. So I get and how long do you have

874
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,360
your shaft on the driver?

875
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,519
Speaker 3: Forty forty three? Yeah, okay, I have a couple different

876
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:33,239
drivers he is with forty three to forty. I've one

877
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,239
that's forty four, I feel, which is shorter than what

878
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,199
it's normal forty six And.

879
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're coming out longer and uh.

880
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 3: Well you've made it farther that way with a longer shaft.

881
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you don't necessarily hit it. I mean I

882
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,440
I Tom wish On, who custom club maker, who's been

883
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,280
on numerous times talk about that the shafts are too

884
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,280
long on drivers these days.

885
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: Well, it depends. It depends. If you just want to

886
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,119
hit it far, then you want to have as long

887
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,000
as shaft as possible, as lightweight as possible. But you

888
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,280
want to hit it straight, Well yeah, but you want

889
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,239
to it straight. Well, that's what I believe. Some people

890
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,840
don't care about hitting it. Most golfers couldn't care less

891
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,960
about heitting it straight. They really, come on, they just

892
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,280
want to hit it far. You just go out there

893
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,840
there they're talking about that's crazy.

894
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: When not the golf smarter audience.

895
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 3: Okay, well that's good. Well that's right, because we're golf

896
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,960
smarter here, that's right exactly, Yeah, we're smarter.

897
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: Go over if you can briefly give me an overview

898
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,719
of your modules. You kept you keep referring to these

899
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,280
modules and what they are, what they do, and then

900
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,880
we'll send people to you.

901
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:42,559
Speaker 3: Well, basically, we we teach the golf swing in sections.

902
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:45,199
I think to just say there's one secret move to

903
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,880
the swinging the clubbing. If there was, and I just

904
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,119
teach that, it'd be great. But it's not so different

905
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,400
than learning to play the piano, for instance. You know,

906
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,960
you're not going to let you have to learn the chords,

907
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,079
you have to learn the scales, and you have to

908
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:56,639
learn to put all those together. You're not going to

909
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,679
just sit there and rip off some classical concerto or

910
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,679
whatever because you learn the secret move or whatever. It's

911
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:04,079
just not It takes practice. So we teach it in

912
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:07,960
sections and stages. And we started impact first module one,

913
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:13,320
and we learn proper forum rotation and how that relates

914
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,880
to the body and torso rotation, and there's a lot

915
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,840
of protocols for that and all sorts of things that

916
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,199
we look over. And then module two we deal with

917
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,719
ground pressures and how to learn to apply the vertical

918
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:30,079
and horizontal and rotational pressures in the feet so that

919
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,079
we can anchor properly and get ready for Module three,

920
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,159
which is post impact pivot thrust, So we learn to

921
00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,559
accelerate the torso post impact gain, picking up shaft speed

922
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:41,840
post impact, and we use so we're building off what

923
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,079
we did learned to MODU one and module two. Module

924
00:42:44,119 --> 00:42:46,760
three takes us up to the finish. So then we

925
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,119
go back and we work on hand attitude so that

926
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:51,360
you have the right grip pressure and how the risks

927
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,360
need to feel it. Transitions. We got a module very

928
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,840
critical module for that. For module five, Module four basically

929
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,760
going back to Maus before, we just talk about swing

930
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,400
plane and through impact and I show the student exactly

931
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,639
where what they need to be doing with the shaft

932
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,360
through impact and that ties one, two and three together.

933
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,360
So then five we get into hand attitudes. Six we

934
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,599
get into transition, how to transition the club at the

935
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:19,119
top of the back swing. I don't spend a lot

936
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,079
of time on the backswing because there's a lot of

937
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,920
different ways to take it back. You got guys that

938
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:24,960
pick it up and loop it behind him. You got

939
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,280
Jim Furich that just picks it straight up and throws

940
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,159
it behind him. And then you got guys like Raymond Floyd,

941
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,360
they just pulled it way inside and then slotted it,

942
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:36,280
you know, coming down that way. So that's kind of

943
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,039
the self discovery journey for people. I let them choose

944
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,000
their own backswings, except there are protocols that are that

945
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,119
must be followed, like you know, you have to we've

946
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:46,880
got to get your forms rotated, and we got to

947
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,079
get your torso rotated, and we need some spine tilt

948
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:51,159
to make a path passageway for the arms to come

949
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,079
down and find the four thirty line. So other than that,

950
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,079
how you get there that that's up to you. The

951
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,880
student's grips vary. They have different kinds of grips that

952
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,960
happens from the impact bagwork. Their hands find the right

953
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,519
place on the club for them, So there's room for

954
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:11,440
personal variation. So then we get module seven. We get

955
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,760
into tying the whole thing together. We work all the

956
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,280
modules that we learned and put into one fluid motion,

957
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,639
and we also integrate how to transfer weight through the

958
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,800
strike rather than you know, transferring weight to the left

959
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,280
and then just chopping down on the ball like a

960
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,920
lot of guys were doing a few years ago. We

961
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,039
teach them how the great players transfer the weight through

962
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:32,480
the strike. And this is all supported scientifically. There's been

963
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:34,760
plenty of studies at the great strikers transfer their weight

964
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,559
through the strike, not not at the beginning. And then

965
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,480
module eight we get into striking golf ball, so you know,

966
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,239
where I'm watching the students hit golf balls, and we

967
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,119
start fine tuning and I get a feel for where

968
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,599
they're at with everything. And then module nine, you know,

969
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,800
we get into like drawing and fading the ball with

970
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,360
post impact intentions out of curve it correctly and all this,

971
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,079
and then ten and eleven then you know, we just

972
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,840
get into course management and strategy and playing and trajectory

973
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,199
control and all this stuff and how to. It's so

974
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,280
it's comprehensive, very comprehensive, very comprehensive, and it takes, you know,

975
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,639
several years for those students to get through those. It's

976
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,400
not it's kind of like taking karate or something. You

977
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,719
start with, you know, you get your first belt or whatever,

978
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,840
a brown belt, blue belt, black belt or whatever. You

979
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,320
work your way up to being a black belt. So

980
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,360
the advanced students are you know, these guys are you know,

981
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:23,480
like black belt golfers. I mean, you got guys that

982
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:26,079
are a student that was he was a high seventy shoot.

983
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:28,880
He went out and shot sixty five last year. Wow,

984
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,320
you know with persimmon and blades.

985
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: Wow.

986
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, it's impressive. It's impressive. And he's been

987
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,960
winning all his club matches and club comps and people

988
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:36,519
can't believe it.

989
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: Must love you, you know.

990
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing well. But you know he's he's a student,

991
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,480
has been dedicated, you know, he he he sends his

992
00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:47,119
videos in every week and he's you know, he's taking it.

993
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:50,400
I'm there to help out the dedicated students. Now, a

994
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,119
lot of guys sign up and then they quit. It's like, okay,

995
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,000
well if they quit, then they quit, you know. But

996
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,159
the guys that send their videos in every week and

997
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:00,840
and we work with them, then they were really getting

998
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,239
their money's worth out of me for sure.

999
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: Early in the first episode, you mentioned when you were

1000
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,480
on the tour that you didn't have a tremendous amount

1001
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,679
of success because you weren't a very good putter. So

1002
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:15,639
I just need to I'm so curious your nickname is

1003
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,960
lag Why that was just.

1004
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 3: A handle name when I was on the one of

1005
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:24,400
the TGM sites when I first returned to golf after

1006
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,039
not playing for thirteen years, and I was just kind

1007
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:28,239
of just wondering. I hadn't really followed golf, you know,

1008
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,239
I was I missed the whole Tiger era, like I

1009
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,719
didn't really I didn't watch it. I didn't I wasn't

1010
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,440
seeing seeing golf.

1011
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: Your wife got you back into this, Yeah.

1012
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so interesting. And then I kind of wondered. I

1013
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,039
wondered if like the golf Machine was still being taught

1014
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,639
or anyone was still doing that. And I looked online

1015
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:46,480
and there were a couple of websites, and I thought

1016
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,559
so I contacted one of the owners of the site

1017
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:49,800
and I said, hey, I was one of the early,

1018
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:52,679
you know, prodigies of this method. You know, you're interested

1019
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,719
in hearing my thoughts on it, which he said, sure,

1020
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,920
of course, my thoughts weren't all that positive about it.

1021
00:46:57,079 --> 00:46:58,559
You know, he didn't really like the fact that I

1022
00:46:58,639 --> 00:47:00,679
had some bad things to say about the golfing Machine,

1023
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,719
but a lot of it was good too, a lot

1024
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,719
of good things, but it's not perfect and it does

1025
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,599
have some serious flaws. Yeah, and I'm the one to

1026
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:14,079
tell you because I experienced them firsthand, even not only

1027
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,280
through junior golf, college golf, but out on the tour.

1028
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Speaker 1: I'm looking over your shoulder at my library because I

1029
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,880
know we did. There was a book about the golfing machine.

1030
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,400
I'll fall pull it out and mention it in the

1031
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,800
clothes anyway, John, Again, the website is Advanced ball Striking

1032
00:47:29,159 --> 00:47:34,760
dot com. And please, if you want to communicate with John,

1033
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,639
you can either click on the Hayfred button hey and

1034
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,519
ask me to put you in touch with John. I

1035
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:43,719
can do that, but I'll also have links to his

1036
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,519
website on our blog for these two episodes. So again,

1037
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:51,360
I appreciate your time, a fascinating approach to all this.

1038
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,159
It's unique and special and I really enjoyed having you

1039
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:56,639
here today. Thanks so much for stopping by.

1040
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.