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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now, here's Nick coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get it started here four o'clock on

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<v Speaker 2>a Thursday.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 2>What day is it? What time is it? What show

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<v Speaker 2>is this? I mean that's the way I'm feeling right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened during that break, but I

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<v Speaker 2>really hit a wall. No Monster today, Yeah, well I

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<v Speaker 2>had one earlier and I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a Monster energy drink this morning, and I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to take drink another one because I need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to go to sleep pretty early tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm going to be able to Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started the morning at three thirty That's when

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<v Speaker 2>I got up gross right, three thirty am. That's when

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up, and I took a shower, hit the

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<v Speaker 2>road and came in here and filled in for Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Cruz was on from five to nine AM on News

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<v Speaker 2>Rady eight to forty whas And I've been tired here

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<v Speaker 2>in stretches throughout the day, but I've been able to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of sit and rest without falling asleep. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I get not re energized because that's a stretch. But

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<v Speaker 2>to where I'm you know, I'm better after just sitting

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<v Speaker 2>and kind of letting, not only you know, physically just

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<v Speaker 2>to rest, but I mean just mentally resting. But for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, I just literally during the break was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>wait where am I? I'm My brain is a soggy

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<v Speaker 2>pretzel right now. But we'll finish strong. That's all we

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<v Speaker 2>can do. But it is coffee and company and we

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<v Speaker 2>are fueled by Thornton's. It's not Thursday, it's Wednesday. And

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to take another extra energy drink because

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be able to fall asleep tonight. And

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<v Speaker 2>last night, I mean I had the ultimate you know, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you better go to sleep, you gotta get up early,

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<v Speaker 2>you better go to sleep. So what happens you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it NonStop and you can't fall asleep. So I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't end up falling asleep until about one fifteen last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got up at three thirty. So I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of hours sleep, And honestly, I'm tired, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not as tired as I thought I would be.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I'll end up.

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<v Speaker 4>Staying up to your normal sleep time tonight, probably I

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<v Speaker 4>hope not, because I need I need some rest and

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<v Speaker 4>I I.

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<v Speaker 3>Back at it tomorrow. Can you nap?

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<v Speaker 4>No, absolutely, that will turn That will turn into like

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<v Speaker 4>what I want to do, sixty to ninety minutes to

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<v Speaker 4>turn into three hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I I can't. I think if I fell asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>I could have a good a good nap, little catnap

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<v Speaker 2>is yeah, like I could. I could sleep for an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and wake up and you know, I probably would

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<v Speaker 2>feel still like I want to go back to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>but I feel like ild I would benefit from that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I thought, I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Hey you've got both shows, so try to try

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<v Speaker 2>to squeeze in like an hour nap or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I tried, and I just laid there for like

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<v Speaker 2>forty minutes. And I guess that's technically resting, but like

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<v Speaker 2>my mind needs a break, that's that's what actually needs

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<v Speaker 2>some rest.

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<v Speaker 3>So I would imagine that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, tomorrow I'm back and then even on Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the week, I'll be filling in for

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Cruiz, so so it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Another early rise.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would imagine I want to have the same

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<v Speaker 2>trouble falling asleep tonight as I did last night, because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna be gonna be so tired.

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<v Speaker 3>The morning cruise. It's the morning coffee that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's also the right after a game. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm amped up and and can't sleep. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'll be okay tonight tonight, given given given the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'll be okay tonight because I think Louisville

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<v Speaker 2>will probably win pretty easily. And it was a it

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<v Speaker 2>was a nine o'clock tip that wouldn't be ideal, But

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<v Speaker 2>it's seven o'clock in Boston, gonna be an empty arena,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would imagine Louisville gets back to to their

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<v Speaker 2>winning ways. And when I say it, you know, back

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<v Speaker 2>to the winning ways. I mean, I guess that's accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>If they do win tonight, they're gonna be winning once again.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really don't think that they're lost to Georgia

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<v Speaker 2>Tech was a game where they they took steps backwards, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean technically they did, because they lost and free

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<v Speaker 2>throw shooting is an issue and clearly they didn't get

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<v Speaker 2>enough stops and really didn't execute well.

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<v Speaker 3>Down the stretch.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not trying to act like they played good against

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia Tech, because I don't believe they did. But it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a situation where they came out feeling too good

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<v Speaker 2>about themselves or anything like that. And it doesn't change

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<v Speaker 2>anything as far as Louisll's resume. But Georgia Tech going

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<v Speaker 2>on the road and beating Clemson in triple overtime last night,

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<v Speaker 2>that at least makes the loss again it is still

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<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. It's gonna be on your

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<v Speaker 2>resume and it's gonna be a stain on selection Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>But Georgia Tech can get hot and do that to

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<v Speaker 2>other good teams too, and they proved that last night.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston College is not a team that I believe is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a real threat, and if they are,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's an issue, right. I mean, Boston College

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<v Speaker 2>is bad, Like they're not a good team at all though,

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<v Speaker 2>the worst team in the ACC in every metric, And

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's exactly what you would want whenever you're

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<v Speaker 2>coming off of a loss, all right. Rick Pottino last

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<v Speaker 2>night really seemed to have his biggest moment so far

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<v Speaker 2>at Saint John's. They sold out the Garden. Marquett the

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<v Speaker 2>two hottest teams in the Big East, at least the

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<v Speaker 2>two teams with the best record in the Big East.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Marquette has now lost to in a row,

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<v Speaker 2>but still that was a big game and Rick Patino's

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<v Speaker 2>team got it done. They're currently sitting twenty and three overall,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think they've got I mean, they will

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<v Speaker 2>play at Marquette to close out the regular season, but

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the way, I mean, they look like

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be in good shape now. They play

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<v Speaker 2>Yukon twice. They've got them on the road coming up

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow or I'm sorry, Friday night, which should be a

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<v Speaker 2>great game by the way, and then they'll also play

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<v Speaker 2>Yukon at home. So to be fair, they have gone

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<v Speaker 2>through I guess the lighter stretch of the Big East

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<v Speaker 2>thus far. But I've watched them enough in the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks to know that they're playing really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Rick Patino has proven to be a really, really

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<v Speaker 2>good coach. So again, last night kind of felt like

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<v Speaker 2>the moment where the chatter, the noise about the job

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing in just his second season at Saint John's

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<v Speaker 2>became louder than it's ever been. And what I think

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<v Speaker 2>nobody is really acknowledged when it comes to Rick Patino

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<v Speaker 2>in how impressive he has been as a coach, is

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<v Speaker 2>that Rick has been elite. He's won championships in different

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<v Speaker 2>eras when really the game is a lot different. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a big innovator of the three point line

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<v Speaker 2>at Kentucky. Obviously that was a big factor. And when

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<v Speaker 2>they got it rolling there three point shots, and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>he brought in a load of talent when he was

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<v Speaker 2>there at Kentucky, and then when he comes back to

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<v Speaker 2>Louisville still really emphasizing the three point line. Taekwondin, Francisco Garcia,

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<v Speaker 2>Alario Bannon twenty year anniversary for that Final four team

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<v Speaker 2>this year, which again they're going to be honoring that

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<v Speaker 2>group on Saturday when they host Miami. But his first

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<v Speaker 2>Final Four at Louisville, I feel like you still could

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<v Speaker 2>see he was a guy that was going to really

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<v Speaker 2>pressure you want to play fast, really good after you defensively,

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<v Speaker 2>but man, really just take advantage of the three point line,

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<v Speaker 2>and it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>He got to a Final four.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then he ended up putting together a team that

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<v Speaker 2>I believe as far as talent was in my lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, I can't prove this. It's the most

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<v Speaker 2>talented Louisville team that never made a final for two

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<v Speaker 2>lottery picks with Earrol Clark and Terrence Williams. Not to

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<v Speaker 2>mention other really good players like Jerry Smith, and I

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<v Speaker 2>mean even p.

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<v Speaker 3>K was a freshman, yeah, Preston the les.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Samarta Samuels was a really good college player

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<v Speaker 2>and a really good true freshman, and he throws at

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<v Speaker 2>Edgar Sosa was a guy that you know, clearly had

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<v Speaker 2>some bright moments, a name that I don't want to mention.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he wasn't a real strength of the team,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was you know, he was in the rotation

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<v Speaker 2>Andre McGee. So at that point, that team offensively was

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<v Speaker 2>not fun to watch. It was fun to watch Tea

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<v Speaker 2>will get loose and dunk on somebody in transition, and

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<v Speaker 2>they had games where Jerry Smith would make a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of threes. But really they were elite because they would

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<v Speaker 2>lock you down defensively and they didn't necessarily play insanely fast.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, he didn't have a great shooting team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the percentages weren't great and they didn't score.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean they had games where they scored like sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two points. So that was Rick winning and he never

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<v Speaker 2>broke through and got to a final four. But those

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<v Speaker 2>two teams two thousand and eight and two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>those are really good teams, and Louisville was won. Those

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<v Speaker 2>were two of the best teams in the country that year.

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<v Speaker 2>So then at Louisville in not really a different era,

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<v Speaker 2>but twenty twelve to two thousand and I'd say seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>was a great run for Rick and he won a title,

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<v Speaker 2>got to a couple of final fours, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a different game then than it was when he

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<v Speaker 2>did it in the nineties at Kentucky or when he

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<v Speaker 2>did it Providence when the three point line was like invented.

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<v Speaker 2>So here he is now at Saint John's and he

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't really done anything yet as far as the accomplishments

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<v Speaker 2>that really matter, because Rick Patino having a twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>three start is not a surprise. He's Rick Patino, and

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<v Speaker 2>he knows that you get your real value in the

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<v Speaker 2>NAA tournament and he's already And by the way, if

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the coaches with the most wins in

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<v Speaker 2>NAA tournament games that are active. The leader is Bill

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. The leaders Cali Perry with fifty seven. Bill

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<v Speaker 2>self did uh, how far did Kansas go last year

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<v Speaker 2>in the tournament? IM gonna have to look this up

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<v Speaker 2>because this what I'm referencing is this actually came out

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<v Speaker 2>last year before the tournament, and I think, in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Kansas lost. I believe, Yeah, they lost in

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<v Speaker 2>the round to thirty two. So he added one more.

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<v Speaker 2>Cal of course did not get a tournament win last

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<v Speaker 2>year thanks to Oakland. So Bill self has fifty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Cal has fifty seven. Tom Izzo has I believe, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he's also I think Tom Mizzo may be tied

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<v Speaker 2>with Bill Self. So again tom Izzo is he has

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see, so Izzo has fifty six, just like Bill self.

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<v Speaker 2>So Cale has the lead at fifty seven. Bill self

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<v Speaker 2>has fifty six, and Tom Mizzo has fifty six, and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then Rick Patino has fifty four, so he's

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<v Speaker 2>he's right behind those three guys. And keep in mind

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't coach college for a long time. When he

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<v Speaker 2>include the years he wasn't coaching at when he was

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<v Speaker 2>he left Louisville. I mean, that's still a big chunk.

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<v Speaker 2>And all those guys that I just mentioned in that

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<v Speaker 2>sure if you crunch those numbers, he might be first

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<v Speaker 3>This would be his if.

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<v Speaker 2>He makes a I mean, he's gonna make the tournament

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<v Speaker 3>Let's see where.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Rick start his career. Let's see, it was at Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>I think was that his first head coaching job or

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<v Speaker 2>was his first head coaching job at Providence? Let me

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<v Speaker 2>look it up. So Rick is a head coaching college.

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<v Speaker 2>He was two and four at Hawaii, which she became

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<v Speaker 2>the interim, and then he was at Boston for four years.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew he was at Boston, but I didn't remember

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<v Speaker 2>if he was an assistant or a head coach there.

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<v Speaker 2>So he ended up making the tournament there in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty three. Didn't win, but he made the tournament. So

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<v Speaker 2>Rick Patino is about to take his sixth team to

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<v Speaker 3>That's got to be a wrecord has to be.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got Boston, Providence, Kentucky, Louisville, Iona, and now Saint John's.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and here I am giving you guys his

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<v Speaker 2>resume as if you're unfamiliar with how good of a

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<v Speaker 2>coach he is. But because of a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that have happened with Rick his own doing, he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>come up as much as a guy that you know

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<v Speaker 2>is just a flat out elite college basketball coach. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody would deny that he is. But there's some other things,

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<v Speaker 2>some baggage, right that comes up before you acknowledge how

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be that people are just you know, the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not as much locally, but just in college basketball,

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<v Speaker 2>nobody forgot he was great. Nobody would tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't great. But what he's doing now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a real reminder of how successful he has been,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think if he's able to really break through

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<v Speaker 2>and make a Final four at Saint John's easier said

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<v Speaker 2>than done, right, I mean, you can have a great

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<v Speaker 3>That happens often, but he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing it now in an entirely different world where there's

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<v Speaker 2>free agency. Right, you've got the portal, I mean, niol

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it matters. So he has always been able

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<v Speaker 2>to really adjust and adapt, and no matter what, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>make the necessary adjustments. And I don't mean like end

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<v Speaker 2>game adjustments. I mean adjustments to the job of being

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<v Speaker 2>a college basketball coach, no matter what it is, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what's happened along the way. Throughout his many many

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<v Speaker 2>years as a coach, He's been able to do what's

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<v Speaker 2>needed to succeed regardless of the changing landscape. And that, actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is what makes him more impressive than anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Nick Saban, he went from being a guy

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<v Speaker 2>that was content and he knew he could win six

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<v Speaker 2>to three because you know, that's all it took. Whenever

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<v Speaker 2>he could just load up a defense and run the

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<v Speaker 2>ball and not need a quarterback to do much of anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember some of those matchups between LSU and Bama

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<v Speaker 2>where it was like number one verse number two or

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't big time scoring games by any means. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then the game changed, right Like Nick Saban knew, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to adapt in a ball because nowadays they're

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<v Speaker 2>throwing it all over the yard. You got to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to score some points. So he hired an offensive

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator and made some adjustments. And you know, coaches that

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<v Speaker 2>are willing to adapt regardless of what's going on and

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<v Speaker 2>succeed that that's easier said than done. And you got

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<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind, look at all of the coaches

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<v Speaker 2>that are sort of from the Patino I wouldn't say era,

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<v Speaker 2>but just you know the ogs, right like cal and Rick.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Bill Selp he's the younger og, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly been doing it in a long time and he's

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<v Speaker 2>really successful. Tom Izzo, all the other guys I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like have have have kind of left, right, Like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>not many guys left that you know, you would include

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<v Speaker 2>is not only a great college basketball coach right now

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<v Speaker 2>in the current scheme of things, but guys that have

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<v Speaker 2>you know, have done this decades and proven to be

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<v Speaker 2>great that if they called it quits now, we'd still

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<v Speaker 2>look back and say, man, that was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best college basketball coaches of his generation. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>those guys have not been able to adjust. They've complained,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've sometimes just quit and walked away because they

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't even if they tried. Maybe they tried and didn't work,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe they were stubborn and they refused to adjust.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it may be like, that's what Rick, that's where he,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, looks the most impressive. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just not something I hear a lot of people really

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<v Speaker 2>mention that. You know, the wins are there, right, the

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<v Speaker 2>tournament runs are there, we all know that. But to

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<v Speaker 2>do it in multiple different decades when clearly the game

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<v Speaker 2>has changed quite a bit when he took that Providence

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<v Speaker 2>team to the Final four in nineteen eighty seven, A

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<v Speaker 2>lot has changed in college basketball many different times throughout

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<v Speaker 2>And here we are in twenty twenty five and he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a nineteen and thirteen that looks like they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be in good shape to maybe win the Big East.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not doing this to you know, kiss his

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<v Speaker 2>rear end and act like you know, he should still

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<v Speaker 2>be our coach, but you know he's He's a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a coach. There's no doubt about that. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>quick break, We'll come back and keep this thing rolling

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<v Speaker 2>along as I'm trying to rally through here, and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be good. I'm not gonna, you know, like fall asleep

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. But it did absolutely hit me recently that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been up since three point thirty in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>on two hours sleep roughly.

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<v Speaker 3>So, but hey, that's what we do. Man's right. It's

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<v Speaker 3>called show business, Austin. You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's that's the business. It's the life we chose.

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<v Speaker 2>My man, sleep when you're dead, exactly. Keep it locked

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<v Speaker 2>right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't be surprised if you hear more and more about

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<v Speaker 2>these hires made with college football programs and college basketball

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<v Speaker 2>programs the GM role, because that's what you need.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>This is professional sports. Nobody can tell you otherwise. It's

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<v Speaker 2>directly in your face. This is a pay for play situation.

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<v Speaker 2>They can dress it up as whatever they want but

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<v Speaker 2>it's pay for play, and you know, I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>still bothers certain people, but it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>The viewership with high level college sports has only grown

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<v Speaker 2>whenever we went to this new system where players can

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<v Speaker 2>get paid. So the GM role Andrew Luck hired at Stanford,

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<v Speaker 2>that of course made a big splash, more so just

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<v Speaker 2>because it's hands for Luck. Also Ron Rivera, you heard

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<v Speaker 2>there during the update from our national anchor that he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be going to cal to do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's one of those positions that I really wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>shocked what they pay for that, because it's really important.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that role is to be instrumental in

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<v Speaker 2>helping raise the funds and then sort of managing the

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<v Speaker 2>funds you have for your roster, communicating with the players

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<v Speaker 2>and their representatives, because that's what the coaches really hate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they hate all of it. Even the coaches

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<v Speaker 2>that embrace it and act like it's great and their

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<v Speaker 2>happy players are getting paid. I mean, some of them

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<v Speaker 2>are probably lying and they just know that if they

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<v Speaker 2>come off as anti player, then they probably won't have

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<v Speaker 2>great success at getting players. So, you know, but the

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<v Speaker 2>guys who have actually called it quits and said they're

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<v Speaker 2>done with it. It sounds like what really was a factor

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<v Speaker 2>in them just walking away was having to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>agents who aren't really agents. They're just you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not certified. They can't represent real professional players. They're

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<v Speaker 2>just guys who you know, got a sports administration degree

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<v Speaker 2>and started DM and players saying hey, let me represent you.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I'm not exaggerating, that's absolutely what

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<v Speaker 2>has happened with some of these guys. And they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>terrible advice from these unqualified people. They're giving up way

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<v Speaker 2>more money than a real agent actually gives up. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you've got somebody that's GA, they can

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<v Speaker 2>weed that stuff out and really they can take care

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that like coaches would never want to do. So.

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<v Speaker 2>I do think though there are some coaches that are

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<v Speaker 2>just it's more so your personality. They're more hands on

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<v Speaker 2>to where they would have a tough time Like for example,

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff himself. I think his personality is one to

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<v Speaker 2>where he's pretty good at being direct, which sees what

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<v Speaker 2>you get with players, to where you know he can

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty open about what you know, what Louel will

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<v Speaker 2>can do for somebody when it comes to taking care

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<v Speaker 2>of him. Again, there's certain things that you are and

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<v Speaker 2>aren't allowed to do. But I'm not sure people even

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<v Speaker 2>in the world of college athletics, you know, coaches, are

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<v Speaker 2>they even clear on what they are and aren't allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to do, because I swear I feel like there are

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<v Speaker 2>things that have just become openly talked about when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to player you know, coaches having conversations with players

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<v Speaker 2>about nil. But yet, like, isn't that actually against the rules?

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<v Speaker 2>Like nobody knows what you are and aren't allowed to do,

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<v Speaker 2>And the NCAA has never seemed less legitimate as far

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<v Speaker 2>as being able to actually have any control over anything.

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<v Speaker 2>So with these new positions, it really is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be super important. Therefore, it may be a position you

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<v Speaker 2>pay somebody more money than you're paying anybody other than

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<v Speaker 2>your head coach. I mean, I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>how it's gonna shake out, but let me give you

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<v Speaker 2>an example. So in basketball, Carolina is a mess, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They're having a very bad year under Hubert Davis for

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<v Speaker 2>the Carolina Standard. They're not going to make the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they might. I guess technically they're still a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll be honest with you, it's a better look

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<v Speaker 2>if they make the tournament and the ACC needs all

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<v Speaker 2>the teams they can get. But I can't tell you

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<v Speaker 2>with this straight face the Carolina belongs in the tournament

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<v Speaker 2>because they're a mediocre ACC team in a year where

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<v Speaker 2>the ACC stinks out loud like they're not good. I

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<v Speaker 2>wish they were. And they're also a team that just

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<v Speaker 2>pisses me off because they're also talented enough to where

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<v Speaker 2>they might mess around, play well and beat anybody in

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<v Speaker 2>the league or anybody in college basketball. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things where I'll kind of believe it when I

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<v Speaker 2>see it. But what I'm getting at is like they

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<v Speaker 2>could beat you in the Instubble or they could beat

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<v Speaker 2>you in the ACC Tournament because they've got elite talent,

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<v Speaker 2>but because they stunk it up all regular season, it'll

421
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<v Speaker 2>be a bad loss for somebody. Like That's where that

422
00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:17.039
<v Speaker 2>what's for the ACC is just irritating, like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh

423
00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:18.960
<v Speaker 2>should be a tournament team. They're not going to be

424
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<v Speaker 2>because you know why they keep losing. So anyways, Carolina,

425
00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:29.039
<v Speaker 2>they went within the family, right, they elevated Hubert Davis,

426
00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:32.079
<v Speaker 2>and I believe despite making a championship appearance, I don't

427
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<v Speaker 2>think he's done good enough to where he should feel

428
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<v Speaker 2>secure in his job. He's got the rest of the

429
00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:40.359
<v Speaker 2>season to finish it. But what he said recently, and

430
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<v Speaker 2>I guess the reporting that's going on in Carolina make

431
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<v Speaker 2>it seem as if they're not making any kind of

432
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<v Speaker 2>move because Hubert Davis, I guess, understands that his results

433
00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:50.519
<v Speaker 2>aren't great enough. So in his coaches Shows radio show,

434
00:20:50.759 --> 00:20:52.759
<v Speaker 2>he talked about how they tried to do it the

435
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Carolina way like they always do right, you know, clearly

436
00:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.920
<v Speaker 2>know that nil is a factor, but really sell Hey, yeah,

437
00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.119
<v Speaker 2>you can get more money maybe here or there, but look,

438
00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.599
<v Speaker 2>this is North Carolina and that doesn't all that really

439
00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't always work. In fact, I don't think it does work.

440
00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.720
<v Speaker 2>And to be honest, Calipari not Callibarry, but Mark Pope

441
00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.759
<v Speaker 2>has sort of that same mindset. Clearly they're going to

442
00:21:15.839 --> 00:21:18.640
<v Speaker 2>be competitive in il a'ts Kentucky basketball, but he believes

443
00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.559
<v Speaker 2>that what Kentucky can provide can be the kicker that

444
00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.000
<v Speaker 2>gets guys over other elite programs that are offering more money,

445
00:21:25.519 --> 00:21:28.680
<v Speaker 2>and so far he does have a really talented group

446
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<v Speaker 2>of players.

447
00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:32.039
<v Speaker 3>However, would those guys.

448
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<v Speaker 2>Understand how special it is to play at Kentucky if

449
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<v Speaker 2>they weren't from Kentucky. Malachamreno from Georgetown, Jasper Johnson's family

450
00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:44.079
<v Speaker 2>all played football. I think a Kentucky and he's from Lexington,

451
00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:48.680
<v Speaker 2>so that that that's a great class and look props

452
00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.599
<v Speaker 2>to Pope, But you got to wonder if that's going

453
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<v Speaker 2>to be your mindset. Are you still gonna be able

454
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<v Speaker 2>to get those kind of guys when they don't have

455
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<v Speaker 2>that connection to Kentucky. So I kind of feel like

456
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<v Speaker 2>Hubert Davis on his radio show was essentially acknowledging, Yeah,

457
00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna keep my job, but we got to bring

458
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<v Speaker 2>in some help because I'm trying to do it the

459
00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Carolina way and it's just not working anymore. So the

460
00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:14.079
<v Speaker 2>reported candidate for this job, the GM of North Carolina Basketball,

461
00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.319
<v Speaker 2>is apparently let's see and I'll read here. This is

462
00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the quote, yeah, quote from Shubert Davis on his radio show,

463
00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and he was speaking about Carolina making plans to increase

464
00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:30.200
<v Speaker 2>their staff and hire a GM. Quote the old model

465
00:22:30.240 --> 00:22:34.000
<v Speaker 2>for Carolina basketball just doesn't work. It's not sustainable. So

466
00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:39.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the names mentioned for this job is Buzz Peterson.

467
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<v Speaker 2>If you remember former was he a teammate a Jordan.

468
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<v Speaker 2>I think he was back at Carolina back in the day.

469
00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:47.839
<v Speaker 2>Obviously he coached at Tennessee and I think he coached

470
00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.799
<v Speaker 2>at Coastal Carolina. He's been a coach, and he's got

471
00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Carolina connections. And look, Carolina, man, they're consistent.

472
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.319
<v Speaker 2>They keep it in the family with their head coaches,

473
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and their entire staff is former North Carolina players or

474
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<v Speaker 2>former Carolina like you know, or guys who've been around

475
00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:06.599
<v Speaker 2>forever as an assistant on Roy's staff or I mean,

476
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I doubt there's anybody left from Dean Smiths staff. But nonetheless,

477
00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:13.279
<v Speaker 2>another candidate that apparently is is now the guy that

478
00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>people think is going to get this job is a

479
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:19.319
<v Speaker 2>guy named Jim Tanner, and he is a veteran sports agent.

480
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.720
<v Speaker 2>He's the founder of an agency called Tandem Sports, and

481
00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 2>he's represented Hall of Fame players like Grant Hill, Tim Duncan,

482
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.359
<v Speaker 2>Ray Allen, a lot of other big names. He's negotiated

483
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:32.039
<v Speaker 2>tw hundred and ninety one million dollars worth of contracts

484
00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 2>according to Forbes, and of course he's a graduate of UNC.

485
00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:37.400
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just thinking, this guy, if he's going to

486
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<v Speaker 2>take this job when he's already a super successful agent. Yeah,

487
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.599
<v Speaker 2>he's Carolina, he's family, he's an alum, but he's also

488
00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.319
<v Speaker 2>going to need a lot of money. Right, So are

489
00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:49.480
<v Speaker 2>we going to be in a spot where successful agents

490
00:23:49.519 --> 00:23:51.799
<v Speaker 2>decide to take these GM jobs. I kind of feel like,

491
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 2>why would you do that when you can kind of

492
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.759
<v Speaker 2>just be an agent. And when you're an agent, you

493
00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:58.160
<v Speaker 2>work for your clients as far as you know what's

494
00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:00.480
<v Speaker 2>best for them, but overall you kind of work for yourself. Well, right,

495
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:04.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe you work for an agency, but I mean to me,

496
00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like being a real estate agent in

497
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:09.759
<v Speaker 2>a way. So I think you're going to see a

498
00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:12.359
<v Speaker 2>lot of those kind of hires made, and it wouldn't

499
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.200
<v Speaker 2>shock me if they're gonna make a ton of money,

500
00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:18.279
<v Speaker 2>because again, that's a very important position. But one thing

501
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind, I think there are certain coaches

502
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 2>that are a little more hands on, maybe even dare

503
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 2>I say, their control freaks, to where they're just gonna

504
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 2>want to be that wrapped up in it. And I

505
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.359
<v Speaker 2>think those are the guys that you really you know,

506
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and I think Louisville for the most part here with

507
00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Pat Kelsey and Jeff Brohm, they are guys that I

508
00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:39.279
<v Speaker 2>think all they want to do is succeed. All they

509
00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.240
<v Speaker 2>know is coach and ball. So there's really not a

510
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>mindset to complain about where we are with college athletics

511
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 2>and how it's not regulated and we need more guardrails

512
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:51.359
<v Speaker 2>and all that Stuff's true, by the way, but like

513
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>these guys don't even give a second to complain about it.

514
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.279
<v Speaker 2>They just try to adapt and figure out how they

515
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:01.599
<v Speaker 2>can succeed with the ever chain landscape of college sports.

516
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>So you may not see it around here, but if

517
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you do, I won't I won't be shocked, because again,

518
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 2>it's an important, very very important thing.

519
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:08.440
<v Speaker 3>All right.

520
00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:12.960
<v Speaker 2>So tonight Louisville in action against Boston College. I was

521
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.359
<v Speaker 2>telling Austin during the break, I think Louisvell's gonna hammer

522
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Boston College tonight, I really do. I mean, if they don't,

523
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.200
<v Speaker 2>it's not like I'm gonna be panicked and worried. I

524
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:23.319
<v Speaker 2>mean if they lose tonight, that is, I mean, that's alarming,

525
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>because that would be that would be two straight losses

526
00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that are easily your worst losses of the season, and

527
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>quite literally and that's why tonight, in a weird way,

528
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 2>is kind of huge. I'm not worried because I just

529
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>I expect this team to come out and play well

530
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:36.039
<v Speaker 2>and win.

531
00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 3>They are better.

532
00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>They'd have to really lay an egg to lose to

533
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:42.640
<v Speaker 2>this team tonight, and I guess that's possible. Anything's possible.

534
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I'm not sweating at all as far

535
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.759
<v Speaker 2>as like, man, hopefully don't lose. They lost the game

536
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:52.640
<v Speaker 2>for the first time in a while. Maybe they let

537
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>this one, maybe they let that Georgia Tech loss get

538
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.240
<v Speaker 2>them twice. I just don't think that this team is

539
00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>the kind of team that would do that. I think

540
00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>they proven to be able to kind of really absolutely

541
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:04.480
<v Speaker 2>take it one game at a time. They were never

542
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>too high and never too low at any point. And

543
00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think their loss to Georgia Tech was anything related.

544
00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it happened because they were feeling themselves

545
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 2>and they were just you know, riding high and started

546
00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>to read all the good stuff that everybody was saying

547
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:16.799
<v Speaker 2>about them as a team and their coach. I just

548
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.799
<v Speaker 2>think they got beat by a team that took advantage

549
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:21.880
<v Speaker 2>of your mistakes miss free throws, and they made big

550
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 2>shots when it counted. And again they got some momentum

551
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.400
<v Speaker 2>right now, meaning Georgia tack.

552
00:26:26.519 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 3>So I think they win big.

553
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm actually going to bet on them to cover because

554
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 2>it's not a big enough number in my opinion. But

555
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.480
<v Speaker 2>it is one of those things, and this is what

556
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:39.759
<v Speaker 2>makes it a big game. If they lose like it

557
00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:42.440
<v Speaker 2>really changes everything. And it's not because it would mean

558
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>Louisville sucks. It certainly wouldn't make me feel great that

559
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.519
<v Speaker 2>they are a great team to have these two if

560
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.279
<v Speaker 2>they had two straight losses like this, But it's just

561
00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 2>because of the resume and because of the ACC being

562
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.640
<v Speaker 2>what it is like. You've got a lot to lose

563
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 2>from now and to the end of the regular seat

564
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:02.440
<v Speaker 2>and really not much the game, and that's just not

565
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:03.880
<v Speaker 2>a fun place to be in. But all you can

566
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 2>do is play who's on the schedule, take care of business,

567
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and I think they do that tonight. And I've said

568
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>for a while now, I don't think Pat Kelsey's somebody.

569
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:15.400
<v Speaker 3>That is wired to really be out here.

570
00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Man.

571
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:19.640
<v Speaker 2>He's not at her manufacturing hate to motivate himself. I

572
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>think he's a very he's proven, he's pretty, he's pretty

573
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>motivated on his own and a very high energy, very driven,

574
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.039
<v Speaker 2>hard worker, a guy that just never stops. So he

575
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 2>doesn't need any added motivation. And I don't feel like

576
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>these players do. But Chuckie Hepburn, I think really is

577
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>a hungry player. I think you're seeing that this year.

578
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.559
<v Speaker 2>He left Wisconsin after three good years there and he

579
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:45.039
<v Speaker 2>took a slight step back as far as his role

580
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:47.640
<v Speaker 2>in his third season, aj Stores kind of kind of

581
00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>became the guy for Wisconsin and he transfers to Kansas

582
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and barely plays, Like was the leading scorer for Wisconsin,

583
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the better guards in the Big Ten last year,

584
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.079
<v Speaker 2>and now he barely gets I mean I shouldn't he

585
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.079
<v Speaker 2>barely plays, but he is a bench player and not

586
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>a big factor in Kansas in any way.

587
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.039
<v Speaker 3>And Chucky he hit the portal.

588
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean he had options, right, but he wasn't ranked

589
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.359
<v Speaker 2>as a big time transfer. In fact, twenty four seven

590
00:28:10.359 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Sports had him outside the top one hundred. So I

591
00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.839
<v Speaker 2>think he came to Louisville, Hungary to prove that he

592
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>is a really good player. And I don't know, maybe

593
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:19.920
<v Speaker 2>we'll find out one day, but Peyton Seva did something

594
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to that guy before they went to the Bahamas because

595
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Chucky was passive, trying to be this floor general, really

596
00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>a distributor and really just trying to get everybody involved.

597
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.599
<v Speaker 2>And he still does that, but he's clearly turned it

598
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 2>on and been more aggressive as a scorer since they

599
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.240
<v Speaker 2>had some injuries, and it's turned into him being I

600
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>think one of the best point guards in the country. So,

601
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Chucky I think has had some real genuine

602
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.599
<v Speaker 2>reasons to be motivated to prove to people that hey,

603
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm better than you guys know, I'm better than you

604
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>guys are giving me credit for. So I think he's

605
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>already kind of wired that way, and that's healthy, right.

606
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:56.119
<v Speaker 2>I think staying competitive, staying you know, motivated, to always

607
00:28:56.200 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>proved to people and really prove yourself even that you're

608
00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>you know you're that. I mean, that's a key component

609
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I think to being a good player, other than, of course,

610
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, having talent. Chucky certainly has that. But we

611
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 2>now have back to back days where my man Chuck

612
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 2>is getting disrespected. Yesterday it was the Bob Coosey Award

613
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>finalist list that came out. He's not one of the

614
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 2>ten finalists, and there are a couple of guys that

615
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't think below on their ahead of Chucky. But

616
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 2>either way, you can't look at his numbers and what

617
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>he's doing and say that he's not one of the

618
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.400
<v Speaker 2>best ten point guards and one of the most deserving

619
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:27.160
<v Speaker 2>guys for that award. I mean, you can't put everybody

620
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>on it, but I mean it did become sort of

621
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>a I don't want act like it was one of

622
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the bigger storylines in college basketball, because that would be

623
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 2>a stretch, but a lot of folks looking at that

624
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>list saying, man, somebody's missing and it's Chuckie Hepburn, and

625
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't mean just Louisville fans saying it. So anyways,

626
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.920
<v Speaker 2>we now have another list that Chucky Hepburn is not on,

627
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:48.759
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know what else this guy can do.

628
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I say this tongue in cheek, meaning I

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<v Speaker 2>want people to understand this is a bad joke, but

630
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<v Speaker 2>it's also kind of true. The bad joke part of

631
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<v Speaker 2>it was when I said Pat Kelsey is holding Chucky back.

632
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<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculous. I don't believe that in any way.

633
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<v Speaker 3>Take a couple of days it was.

634
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<v Speaker 2>But but I do think there may be some truth

635
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<v Speaker 2>to Pat Kelsey doing such a good job to get

636
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<v Speaker 2>Louisville back in the mix in his first year and

637
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<v Speaker 2>putting together a ten game winning streak. I do believe

638
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 2>there's a chance that that has led to people not

639
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>realizing that he has a point guard that has been really,

640
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:30.839
<v Speaker 2>really good, right because the attention and again to every

641
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>bit of attention and praise that Pat Kelsey's getting, I

642
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.599
<v Speaker 2>think is deserved, but I think it might have actually

643
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<v Speaker 2>kept people from, you know, taking a look at statistically

644
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:43.839
<v Speaker 2>what Chucky is doing. But Naysmith Defensive Player of the

645
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<v Speaker 2>Year watch list came out today and Chucky's not on it.

646
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<v Speaker 3>And this list it's insane. I mean, I can't.

647
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<v Speaker 2>I cannot run through this and tell you that, like

648
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I know, how good or not good every single player

649
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 2>on this list is. But I mean, I just don't

650
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 2>know how you can lead the ACC and assists quite literally,

651
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.680
<v Speaker 2>every time Louisville is playing on national television, rather it

652
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>be ESPN, ACC Network, whatever, I mean, the announcers make

653
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.319
<v Speaker 2>it clear that Chucky Hepburn is viewed as one of,

654
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 2>if not the very best point guard defenders in college basketball,

655
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>and I just I kind of feel like people I don't.

656
00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, again, maybe I'm wrong here. I don't believe

657
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:37.240
<v Speaker 2>that people are out there saying he's not good and

658
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>he's not deserving. I kind of think they're just sleeping

659
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.519
<v Speaker 2>on him, as they say. And maybe it's because Louisville

660
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>hasn't been relevant in a few years, or maybe it's

661
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 2>because when they think of Louisville they just think, Wow,

662
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.880
<v Speaker 2>this Pat Kelsey guy, he's doing a great job. Many

663
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 2>seems high in it. He seems like a really good

664
00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 2>fit for Louisville, and all that's true, But my man,

665
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>Chucky like to see. I mean, Lamont Butler's on this list,

666
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.559
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, he's a good defender, but like he may

667
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>not play getting the rest of the season. I mean,

668
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 2>it's Ace Baldwin guy for Penn State has now been

669
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 2>on two lists that Chucky's not on, and Penn State

670
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>thinks out.

671
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 3>Loud, that's just a cool name. But I don't like him. Ace.

672
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh, you got Ace Baldwin's back here. I thought you

673
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.799
<v Speaker 2>had Chucky's back, and I do have Chuck's that's just

674
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.640
<v Speaker 2>a cool name back, Gonna lie, Well, actually it's not

675
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 2>his real name. So his name is Adrian Baldwin. Okay, yeah,

676
00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, your mama named you Adrian. That's what I'm

677
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna call you.

678
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.359
<v Speaker 3>Chucky's way better. I mean, give me some chuck.

679
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just I don't know, man, like I

680
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 2>hate it for him because you come to Louisville and

681
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>you ball out like he is, and because you're playing

682
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 2>at Louisville typically you get a lot of love. And

683
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I can't lie and say that I think people are

684
00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 2>out here trash talking to him, because again, he's getting

685
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of praise in every game Louisville does, every game,

686
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.640
<v Speaker 2>every game that Louisville is on TV, the broadcasters are

687
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>are going out of their way to talk about how

688
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 2>good he's been.

689
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 3>But I remember Siva was on these awards lists watch too,

690
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:56.000
<v Speaker 3>and he's probably just as good.

691
00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And what's crazy is that Chucky's a four. This is

692
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:00.000
<v Speaker 2>his fourth year in college basketball, and he's been good

693
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 2>as a point guard and elite really as a defender

694
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>since day one. I just feel like they're sleeping on him.

695
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 2>And I would not be shocked if he comes out

696
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:11.519
<v Speaker 2>with a little extra motivation because of that quick break.

697
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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back and keep this thing rolling along. It's

698
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<v Speaker 2>coffee and Company, and we are fueled by Thornton's right

699
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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talk seven.

700
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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's

701
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<v Speaker 1>on Sports Talk seven nine day.

702
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 2>Somebody on Twitter mentioned this earlier, and I don't, I don't.

703
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say that I predicted happens, But if

704
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:40.119
<v Speaker 2>this scenario, the first part of the scenario plays out,

705
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.519
<v Speaker 2>then maybe you're right. But Mark Pope, I still think

706
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:47.519
<v Speaker 2>is a good coach, and I think they look they

707
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:49.640
<v Speaker 2>could they could still end up having a great run.

708
00:33:49.720 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have proven they can be really good

709
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 2>teams even when they're short handed. But obviously they've now

710
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 2>lost four out of five, and I don't think their

711
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>fan base is turning on him, but clearly, you know,

712
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:01.160
<v Speaker 2>this is the roughest stretch of his early career at Kentucky.

713
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 2>But somebody on Twitter asked if it really fell apart

714
00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 2>and they were to kind of flame out this year

715
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>and then next year they're just not very good, which

716
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>again I don't see either of those things happening, But

717
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>if it did, and like they wanted to get rid

718
00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of him, Rick Patino would be their coach, and yeah,

719
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean I kind of feel like that would happen, right,

720
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, maybe Rick has always kind of been putting

721
00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 2>it out there and he's been showing this, you know,

722
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 2>fake support for Mark Pope, and he knows that deep

723
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:29.519
<v Speaker 2>down Mark Pope's going to be in over his head

724
00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:31.800
<v Speaker 2>and he's just hoping for that to happen, so again

725
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 2>he can get the call for I mean, I I doubt,

726
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I really doubt that that would play out beautifully. Yeah,

727
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm not as much thinking about Kentucky, but

728
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:46.199
<v Speaker 2>think about how many programs never even considered hiring Rick

729
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:49.159
<v Speaker 2>Patino and Saint John's did and now they're.

730
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:53.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all this stuff came out, He's he's done.

731
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 4>Why would you ever hire coach Patino with the stain

732
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 4>that he carries around.

733
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we really did have a clutching of the pearls.

734
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 2>This guy's the worst and one as things played out,

735
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>he really wasn't at all a factor or a player

736
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 2>in the pay for play Adida's Merle code kind of thing.

737
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.119
<v Speaker 2>It was just, I mean, he was just a guy

738
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.480
<v Speaker 2>that already had some some you know issues within his program.

739
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>And when you're even mentioned in the indictment like he was.

740
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 2>That was enough for Louisville to move on. And you know,

741
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.159
<v Speaker 2>clearly he had assistants that were, you know, at least

742
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:30.119
<v Speaker 2>having conversations. I mean Kenny Johnson's I mean, Kenny Johnson

743
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>gave Brian Bowen's dad money, which is just funny to

744
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 2>think about now, is that was a huge issue because

745
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 2>now that's how it works.

746
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.960
<v Speaker 3>But so I guess maybe.

747
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 2>That's why as things it played out, like nobody's even

748
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 2>thinking about Rick as a guy that you know you

749
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>can't hire. They're looking at him and thinking, man, this

750
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:44.599
<v Speaker 2>guy's a phenomenal coach. He's proven it in many different

751
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 2>eras of college basketball. But I mean, to be fair,

752
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like in New York, he's probably content. But if Carolina

753
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 2>just you know, got rid of Hubert Davis and they

754
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:58.559
<v Speaker 2>decided they didn't want to keep it in the family anymore,

755
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, and they like they could get him, like

756
00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 2>how do you not hire him? And yeah, maybe he

757
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:05.880
<v Speaker 2>only has a four or five years left because he's old,

758
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>but you know what, this guy's going to coach till

759
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 2>he's dead, and you know that hopefully is not anytime soon.

760
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 3>But like, if you really think about it.

761
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 2>If a big job opens up, Saint John's can't afford him,

762
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:18.719
<v Speaker 2>and Rick's not really at a point in life where

763
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>he's doing a lot for money. But I mean, you'd

764
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.559
<v Speaker 2>be foolish not to go after him if if you

765
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 2>want to win. Now, I mean, he's he's that good.

766
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, I doubt he ever ends up back in Kentucky,

767
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I guess crazier things have happened, as

768
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>they say. All right, so, speaking of big jobs, Indiana

769
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 2>is I would say likely going to open up. I mean,

770
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 2>how sad was it that Mike Woodson's team came out

771
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>They were down like twenty four to six, maybe twenty

772
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 2>four to four actually at one point, and his comment was, well,

773
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>we came out with good intentions. I mean, that's a

774
00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>sad program that you know. I've never been able to

775
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 2>articulate it the way that I want. But when it

776
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.920
<v Speaker 2>comes down to it, you can have guys that aren't

777
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:09.280
<v Speaker 2>out there completely loafing, But when you have a culture

778
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 2>of players that really just aren't competing at the level

779
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you need to, and it's not something that's predetermined, it's

780
00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.679
<v Speaker 2>not like they're out there Y'm going to give seventy

781
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:19.119
<v Speaker 2>percent effort today. But the fact that that's just kind

782
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of how it is, that that's a bad thing that

783
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.519
<v Speaker 2>needs to be gotten rid of. It may not even

784
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:26.000
<v Speaker 2>be that you're a bad coach, but if that's where

785
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.960
<v Speaker 2>your program is, you have it, I mean, I think

786
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.519
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a tough time fixing it. And I

787
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.320
<v Speaker 2>think now he has had enough talent in his few

788
00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:37.400
<v Speaker 2>seasons there to where he's not the worst coach ever.

789
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 2>But there's no doubt they should be better than they

790
00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.000
<v Speaker 2>are and they're just not in a good place. And

791
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I would imagine that job will likely end up opening up,

792
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>and if it does, just maybe, just maybe it'll be

793
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Chris Beard, because one he's proven to be a great coach.

794
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>He's only available and not at Texas because you know

795
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.239
<v Speaker 2>what happened with his wife, some weird stuff. Yeah, So

796
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:03.800
<v Speaker 2>Chris Beard last night after beating Kentucky, and I'm reading

797
00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:06.199
<v Speaker 2>this from WDRB dot com and I didn't realize the

798
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 2>connection with with with Beard and Bob Knight, but he

799
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:14.840
<v Speaker 2>quoted Bob Knight. This was on Tuesday night, as his

800
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>team got up to fifty four to thirty one lead

801
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>at halftime, he credited the Rebels success to his beloved

802
00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:21.559
<v Speaker 2>mentor Bob Knight.

803
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 3>Quote. That's Bob Knight.

804
00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Victory favors the most aggressive team and the one that

805
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>makes the fewest mistakes. And some are saying he went

806
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>out of his way to talk about Bob Knight, maybe

807
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>to kind of, you know, let Indiana know, Hey, you up,

808
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:35.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll be up late, call me tonight, like that kind

809
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 2>of thing, right, like you know, sending the signal, Hey

810
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<v Speaker 2>you want to do this, we can make it happen. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can't can't go wrong with with Chris Beard.

812
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<v Speaker 3>That'd be a great hire.

813
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:47.559
<v Speaker 2>And I think you'd leave old Mistic go to Indiana.

814
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>And I've always said this about Indiana. All they need

815
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 2>is a good coach and they could be back in

816
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the limelight. They could be back at the top of

817
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the sport. They just have never been able to get

818
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 2>the coaching thing right. And that's pretty important. And I

819
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<v Speaker 2>think if Chris Beard's there, given what he has done

820
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 2>everywhere he's been, I have a hard time seeing that

821
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:07.800
<v Speaker 2>not working out.

822
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<v Speaker 3>All right, it's Coffee and Company. We are field.

823
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<v Speaker 2>But Thornton's right here. On Sports Talk seven ninety