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Speaker 2: Troy a sight, don't be a a oh man bab

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not once great champ now sunny and mopishness no longer

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the factory hungry still wait right? So many times people

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by a pathetic wash up age ax champion.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's go.

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Speaker 4: I think you know the guy, and I.

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Speaker 3: Think you know what, pretty dear?

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Speaker 4: WHOA? His name is he? Presley?

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Speaker 2: Press Presley?

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Speaker 4: What's my name? Say my name, bitch?

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Speaker 1: My good friend? Is he Presley? Is he Presley?

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Speaker 4: Is Presley Couch?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 2: WHOA?

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Speaker 3: That sounds a little weird?

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Speaker 4: Is he President?

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Speaker 2: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 3: Is he Presley?

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Speaker 1: The heaviest, gurthiest rocky j around?

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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Jeffer You listen to Izzy Presley. Those

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aren't pillows? Uh uh, Hello Las Vegas. No, jeff lebar,

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those are not pillows. Hello world, Hello, my loyal minions.

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Is good to see you. It's always good to be

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seeing I'm busy Presley. I'm the host of the program.

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Have a special one for you tonight, today, or whenever

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you're watching this or listening to this. Welcome Bruce Culick Kiss, Dude,

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can we just talk about kiss it's joining the show.

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We have a chat about an hour and a half, unscripted, unedited,

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nothing has to be taken out. We're talking about kiss

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Asylum forty years on the sixteenth. Some say it's the twelfth.

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Who's right? Who's wrong? I don't know. Are we gonna

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find out?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You have to watch the episode find out. I mean,

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that's why you're here, right, So listen to Bruce Keeler

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talk about kiss stuff.

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Speaker 4: Dad.

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Speaker 3: Can we just talk about kiss stuff? Yes, yes, we

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can for an hour and a half and it's going

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to be glorious. Welcome to another FN podcast. It's your

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first time. Welcome. If it's not your first time, welcome back.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Just to hit the essentials, hit the Patreon. If you're

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in the Patreon, you've probably already watched this or listened

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to this because you got it already, and you got

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it add free. You got the video first, you got

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the audio first, you got the audio ad free. If

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you get sick of those annoying commercials, you don't have

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to fast forward, just go to the Patreon. It's only

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five dollars a month. Patreon dot com, slash Realizzy Presley.

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It's simple. It's all you gotta do. Come join the family.

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We do have actually a new Patreon fella with us,

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and I do want to say hello to him. His

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name is vic Rector. I do not know if that

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is a gimmick name. If it is, props, it's got

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a ring to it. If it's your real name. Props

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to your parents for giving you a kickass real name,

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Vic Rector. Welcome to the family, Welcome to the miningdom.

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It is great to have you. I hope you enjoy.

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Tell your friends come join the party. Find all the links,

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Izy Presley dot com. It's simple, it's easy. It's all there, Patreon, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook,

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Facebook show page. It's all real, Izzy Presley. It's simple,

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just like venmo. Venmo is real Izzy Presley as well

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as well. Cash apps just dollar signed Ezzy Presley. That's easy.

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That's easy. I'm always open to taking money, you know,

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if you don't want to join the Patreon you want

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to give me money, you know, because you like what

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cash app Venmo carry your pigeon large bags of cash.

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That works. Uh, just watch the fight. Alvarez and Crawford.

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Spoiler alert, Alvarez did not win. Spoiler alert. I did

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plus eight hundred and fifty and that's what cambling is

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name Tim Cheatham. There was a judge of the fight

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for the super welter rate Is it super welterweight title?

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on Sunday for all my Patreon folks. If you're not

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messages bring it back, an old bit, just for today,

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just for Bruce Culick. We'll be right back with the

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one and only, the esteemed, the amazing, the quintessential, the man,

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the myth, the legend. His name is Bruce Culick and

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he played with Kiss. And it's the fortieth anniversary of

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Kiss Asylum. This album right here, the best thing they

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Speaker 1: To Missy Presley, reading from the Book of Paul, Chapter

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Asylum verse, I'm alive.

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Speaker 1: I've got too little time.

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stiff and smiling. Oh, don't need no doctor putting me

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to bed. Give me the nurse and I'll make sure

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that she's fed. But need no doctor giving me pills.

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word of Kiss. Praise be to Paul.

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Speaker 3: All Right, we are back, ladies and gentlemen, joining me

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the Esteemed, the one and only, the Great Bruce Klick.

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It is the fortieth anniversary today, the sixteenth. Some say

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it's the twelfth. We say it's the sixteenth of my

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favorite Kiss record. I think it's the best thing they

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put out post Love Gun, top to bottom. I don't

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care what anybody says. I am standing by this record forever.

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Kiss Asylum. Bruce Culeck, good morning, sir.

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Speaker 4: How are you azy? I'm doing great. Thank you, And

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just to touch upon a couple of points of your intro, Yes,

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anniversary celebration and that was actually in twenty twenty when

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the album. And it's remarkable. It's forty years. It doesn't

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really matter if it's the twelfth or sixteen. It's now.

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to Kiss or Kiss online the website that the official

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a live anniversary that the product's not there yet. Okay,

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meaning kiss kiss with the Universal Records. They need to

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but I know that they have to be dealt with.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I do love the record, and.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that I hear a lot of love for Asylum,

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and I love it too enough to like, like create

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a guitar like this, which is only two of a prototype,

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and it's a culic guitar, okay, made with parts from

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a really good boutique builder called AXN. So Asylum really

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did mark a huge milestone for me because now I

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animalized the album, even though I did do a little

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bit of guitar work on it, you know, and of

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couple of half shows, and I missed one show, the

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one that came out as a soundboard recording. They put

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that one out with Mark. But all those dates of

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mine are in large. And then of course Animalized Live.

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the resurgence of Kiss, shall I say? Because Animalized was

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an up lick it up as a great record, don't

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get me wrong. And Creatures was great. They didn't as well.

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the time, had nothing to do with the new guitar player.

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that was pretty exciting to see, you know, like that climb.

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box set.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so let's talk about the go ahead.

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shirt only had Gene and Paul on it, and then

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there was stinking uproar from the Kiss army and all

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of a suddener Sure it came out with only you

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you know, from other releases where they might have blurred

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in Eric Carr or or if it was, you know,

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something to do with Vinnie, because they didn't deal with

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the business end of it with those people for whatever

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good reason that they felt they had. Now while all

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that product had come out, where the makeup version of

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very successful. Okay, so I can understand only to a

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small degree, but I do understand, well, we're pushing the

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makeup stuff and we don't necessarily need to confuse the narrative. Possibly,

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so in the end, they chose not to reach out

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fifty years Okay, yeah, right, and they're still learning. You know,

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gig at the Virgin later in the year, but staying

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on point with how they released product. They read the

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back black backlash, they read that, they saw it, they

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knew it was wrong, and then it didn't. It wasn't

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real hard to reach out to me or the estate

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of Eric Carr, which would be his sister, and have

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a conversation so it could be worked out because we're

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we're you know, my position was not about you know,

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in business, there will always be that one that like,

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million dollars or so bad, you know something? All Right,

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I know you were referencing, but I'm staying out of that. Okay,

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and I'm just I want I want everybody to win.

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I'm not going to deny that I want to win,

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but I want the fans to win. And then the

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narrative of the release and what we all contributed to

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such a great record and the image being so important

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on that record. Even if you didn't like the artwork,

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there were four guys being represented, so why would you

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want to not include that? Now, this was an official

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tour chirt which is now brand new. You know, it's

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called with the artwork from the back Okay, and here

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it is. But without asking, you know, Eric's family and mine,

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how can we work this out? They knew that they

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shouldn't really put it out, and it was you know,

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it was pretty easy, is he And it was silly

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that it didn't happen prior with anything else, okay, but

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that was their choice. Pop House clearly wants to represent

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everything and moving forward, I'm hoping for the same thing

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to continue on through those albums releases, okay. And he

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also see some value in Asylum and the non makeup years,

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where I'm pretty sure that first of all, honestly, I

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was aware that Universal really drives this conversation. Okay, the

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record company, and I'm not sure completely you know, all

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the business, you know, rights and angles that makes that happen.

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But I'm aware that I've already heard from people like

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Paul's like, oh when did that come out? And he's

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signing the this is a few years back, a shiny

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new version of Revenge, you remember the thirty years anniversary.

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So it's not like he was like, hey, can we

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put this out? They own it universal. Okay, Yeah, now

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they are working with Pophouse. Pophouse is not the record company.

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They are not a record company. They're a huge company.

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That their goal, like with the success they did with Abba,

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to do that for Kiss and probably other autos. The

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well funded they are learning, of course, more and more

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about Kiss. They knew more about Abba. How could they not.

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One of the principals at the company was an Abba,

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you know what I mean. But it's still the music

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business and these people have a passion for what getting

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inside the brains that a kiss, you know fan? Okay,

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So I'm I know not everything could be perfect moving forward,

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but I can say that there's somebody getting the bigger

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picture and wanting to uh celebrate all eras and and

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and and you know, not get caught in something as

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silly as a T shirt that everybody knows has four

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people only have two. And then I did not ask

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them to do a picture, you know, a shirt of

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Eric Carr and myself. I'll be honest, I thought it

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was crazy, but I do know that they were making

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a point, okay, And I said, look, I'm not going

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to fight about doing that, but I don't I think

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this is the one that will sell, you know what

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I mean that, you know, with the great tour thing

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on the back, because the other official tour shirt, by

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the way, would just look like a globe with exciting

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colors around, didn't show the band. But they really wanted

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to do it to show Hey, maybe it's the new

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sheriffs in town. So this is the way they want

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to play it, you know what I mean. And I

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think they were able to do that one printing on demand,

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So if it was a total bust, it wouldn't matter,

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And if it was successful, it wouldn't matter, because you know,

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print on demand is wonderful those yeah, and all the

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things I do with no I don't offer this pillow,

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but who does guitar? No Tase gifted me because it's

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pretty awesome.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's great.

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Speaker 4: But what all the other pillows that and t shirts

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that I do with that company of my guitars and

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things like that. This is very Asylaha oriented printed on demand,

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you know what I mean. You don't have to stack

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a room with pillows that you need to sell, and

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many many companies work that way. So I thought that

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was really interesting that they that was actually the right

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way to do that, you know what I mean. Now

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you're talking about the shirts, but let's look at the product.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just I wanted to get into that.

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Speaker 4: Now this one, this is a deluxe one. You can

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almost look like we're you know, like very dark skinned

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if you don't hold it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's

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very clever. I shared some pictures. There's wonderful things in here.

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I'm not going to open it up because it would

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make a hot mess. But it's a beautiful product. Has

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this is the picture disc only five hundred may believe me,

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they could have sold five thousand. I don't know why

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they do all those very limited runs. But and the

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only people that get that you have to be a

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member on like kiss online does a special thing. There

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is maybe a fee associated with that. So that sells

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out in two minutes as soon as it goes live. Okay, yeah,

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if it's even if some of them is your speculative,

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you know what I mean to then throw it on

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eBay later, you know that. But this one's beautiful too.

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And this is the one that is the standard one, okay,

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and it has like a raised you know, the phone's

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never going to show up my camera. But it's kind

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of raised and then there's a great poster with it.

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It's got a lot of cool things, and I've shared

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things about this also. The disc is and anyone can

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buy this now they're kind of forcing you to get

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a bundle with a shirt. I don't always agree with that.

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I'm not on the board of directors at Universal, but

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that's real cool. With all the Asylum calls. Okay, so

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all the stuff I really love. And of course, even

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going back to the off the soundboard recording, which did

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look different for the Animalized show that I mean for

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the Asylum show, that of course is me And even

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though there was criticism too many raps, it should have

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had more songs. That was the concert. I actually have

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a board mix of a show within that month that

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that's the way it sounded. I mean, if you have

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any criticism about it, you don't hear the audience. You

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can't hear the excitement. But there was nothing. That Asylum

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show was exactly who we were. Yeah, it's pretty shocking

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to hear Paul being so you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean kind of it was the eighties.

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It was the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was rock and roll then, and what can

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I say? I still stand by it. Thank god. It

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was one of the concerts they had the board mixed

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for was I played, well, okay, you know it's nice

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you break a string in the middle of a solo.

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You know, it's like oops, you know, and you can't

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go And they weren't fixing any of that kind of stuff,

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you know. So so ultimately this is the twenty fourteen

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one also looked great. But you remember when they did that,

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there was nothing special about it.

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Speaker 3: Was just right. Bruce, I tell you, I was working

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for Universal on a on a temp project when they

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were putting that together, and me, being the kiss nerd

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that I am, I'm like, you can't just give them

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what you already gave them. You got to put your

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stuff in there, especially for the you know, for the

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eighties stuff. It's like Animalized put it because we never

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got an official DVD release of Animalized Live on Censor Yeah.

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Speaker 4: With the record, you know, but yeah, I think there's

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right along with that that are complicated. I think the

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same thing for MTV. H you'd be surprised that, you know,

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everyone forgets. I'm a fan too, so I want everything,

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you know, yeah, to be a part of like what

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exactly what you're expressing. But the truth is, on the

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business level of this thing called the music business, there

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are really complicated issues with who owns what. Sometimes a

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company even this is disappears or they don't even know

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who who now has the rights to that, And and

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you know, there's been so many lawsuits for so many

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bands and so many products that you just can't move

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forward without really having that paper trail and thing done correctly. Okay,

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So that being said, there's a lot of things that

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I really wish, but I also I'm not the one

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that's going to spend the time to figure out what

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happened to that, you know what I mean. Meanwhile, there's

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fans bootlegging it and you find it on eBay from

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Brazil or whatever place finding your DVD, you know. But

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you're right. And the fourteen thing I think was the

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resurgence of vinyl. So okay, now here it is all

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new twenty fourteen. I still have my nineteen eighty five

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you know version in my eighty you know whatever, next album,

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eighty seven ones. But and you can find them in

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record shops. Sometimes they're in good condition, most of the

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time they're not. But now they have that opportunity to

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do that, and my only regret. I love the new

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camp pain. Oh, by the way, the normal one even

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though it had paint splatter on it and everything, but

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not the one that was with the Obie sleeve, the

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picture disc one. The other one is limited to twenty

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five hundred. So for whatever reason, universal these are the

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numbers they stick on it. I think they're low, you know,

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for the product, right, but I don't really know how

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much cells or not, you know what I mean, Right,

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But I know I want a copy, and I know

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i'll be as I get out there continuing this year,

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I'll be signing people's copies when I do other events

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like Fanboy for example later this month, where Gene will

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be headlining. So what can I say. I'm excited, you know,

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I'm excited for the future too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's great. It's great to see all this stuff

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coming out about Asylum. I mean, yeah, I guess that's

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the fourith anniversary. So let's dive into before Asylum. When

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you get the call. Now, we had this. You were

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holding court at the Bootlegger one night and you were

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talking about working with Billy Squire and I didn't know.

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I didn't know the story. I didn't know that you

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had played on a couple of his records, but you

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had said what you were doing with Billy had an

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effect on if you would have been in Kiss or not.

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You explain that story well.

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Speaker 4: And I only played on one Billy Squire record. And

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like most things in my career, there's always a little

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connection to my brother Bob, you know, which you know,

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us both being guitarist. And by the way, last night,

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I was listening to Larger Than Live and working on

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some of the riffs, and oh my god, I mean,

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he really did such an incredible job for Kiss, and

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I do understand his his bragging about it, if you

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know what I mean. He sometimes said sometimes he did

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it to a fault, you know, because you're not gonna

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you still can't compete with Ace overall as the icon

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original guitaristuff Kiss. We all know that. But Bob really

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kicked some serious ass on anything he did, you know.

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And I you know, it's interesting me like really dissecting

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his riffs and realizing how much passion he brought to

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those Kiss songs. So I appuyed you up there, Bob. Again.

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I want you to know that you know he was

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working with Billy. Originally, Bob had his hands on a

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lot of artis And of course my introduction to Kiss

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was through my brother, even though it was it was

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Mitch Weisman that convinced Paul to have me gost guitar

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on Animalize Okay. But and I even auditioned in eighty

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three when they had the Cattle Call. I had a mustache,

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I was really green. I couldn't imagine myself being the

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new character with makeup and kids. I couldn't. And I

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remember Gene liked what I did and said nice vibrato.

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But I didn't feel like I played my best anyway.

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So now now move it up forward the Billy record,

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I was working with another artist from New York recording

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in the same studio that Billy was going to use

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up in Woodstock, and it was with Eddie Offered, the

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engineer producer of Yes Okay and Eddie Oh, I love

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the Yes albums. You know. Eddie was a legend to me.

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And as much as I didn't think Billy would be

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asking me to do the record, he was up there

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and Bob couldn't and Bob he wasn't gonna wait for Bob.

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Bob had some conflict because he started to Like I said,

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he did some of the demo songs for Billy Squire's

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first album, which I got to give a shout out

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Eddie Trunk's favorite Billy Squire record, you know, one of

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his favorite records of all time, you know, right, it

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is a really terrific record. He didn't take off quite

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yet though.

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 4: He came out of Piper, which was in a coin band.

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You know, there's a Kiss connection too. Probably maybe how

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he knew Bob as well in New York, you know,

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the whole thing. And I was up there and then

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I'm introduced to Billy and he's like, I like you

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to are you available? Can you play on my record?

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And I was like, yeah, I know. I can't stay

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long though, because at the time I was working with

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Michael Bolton Okay it was the band even though it

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was below ten, and we were doing our second album

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Okay up there as well and going to use the

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same team, you know, and the same studio. It was

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actually at an interesting studio, Levon Helm's home, which was

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there was a lot of famous band stuff done there.

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It wasn't big Pink, but it was another It was

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a known studio up in the Woodstock area. So I

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did get to cut all the basic tracks with Billy,

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and man, I love working with him, and maybe I

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was only up there for like a week or so,

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but I took notes on things. I just I watched

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him take notes. Rather, I saw how meticulous he was.

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And then Blackjack was needed to rehearse because we were

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supposed to get tour support money to support the second album, okay,

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Blackjack album. In the end, the whole thing fell apart

472
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,000
and I never did that, and Billy was really pissed

473
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,200
at a I left the record. He was able to

474
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,119
finish it without me. In fact, I know that he

475
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:36,119
kind of took some of my ideas from the rough tracks,

476
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:41,240
if I had some solo ideas and he just just

477
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,440
cleaned them up. Billy's a fine guitarist, you know, but

478
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,640
he's very meticulous. He'll he'll prepare everything. He's not gonna

479
00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:53,079
just jam, you know what I mean. And ironically I

480
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,359
couldn't go on tour with him, you know, because I

481
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,480
thought I was going on tour with Michael Bolton and

482
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:01,680
and my band called Blackjack. End it didn't happen. Okay,

483
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,559
And of course he moved on and got you know,

484
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:09,440
another guitar player, and he took off, okay, incredibly by

485
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,839
the second album not from Taylor, The Tale of the Tape.

486
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,720
And I if I actually said Michael bye bye, Billy Squires,

487
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,799
you know needs me and I believe in this guy.

488
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,400
If I did that, okay, that's the connection of that

489
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,200
story that you said, then I don't think I would

490
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,640
have been available for the Animalized Go session. I don't

491
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,079
think I would have been invited by Paul don't cut

492
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,559
your hair, which means mark Saint John's ill, which I

493
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,079
didn't know, you know what I mean, And all of

494
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:42,319
a sudden, you know, within six weeks getting a call,

495
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,680
we need you to go to Europe. I'm like, what

496
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,000
I thought I won the lottery to being kissed for

497
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:51,599
two weeks or maybe six weeks, you know, and then

498
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,000
of course you all know it turned into twelve years,

499
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,720
you know, which was quite exciting.

500
00:29:56,039 --> 00:29:58,599
Speaker 3: Well what was it like for you, you know, being

501
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,519
like in Blackjacket's your band, and all of a sudden

502
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,759
you get a call to be the replacement guy and kiss.

503
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 4: What was that like? Yeah? I mean, okay, there was

504
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,240
a long licking the wounds period. There first, all right,

505
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:20,400
so Blackjack doesn't happen. You're jumping ahead tail of the tape.

506
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,279
I could be wrong. I'm saying it's closer to nineteen

507
00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:29,599
eighty or eighty one, right, Yeah, So now I'm like,

508
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,079
h not in Michael's band. Michael needed to figure out

509
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,200
what was next for him, which meant he was going

510
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:40,319
to write great songs even if there were pop songs.

511
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:42,400
And then but then he still came out as a

512
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:45,279
rock singer again. And I did work with him shortly,

513
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
but I had a little period there where for two

514
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,079
years I played lead guitar with The Good Rats, you know,

515
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,759
which was a East Coast band that was very popular

516
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,240
in New Jersey Long Island. It came from Long Island.

517
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:02,119
Really look them up sometime. Wow. But in the end

518
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,000
I wasn't crazy about The Good Rats of it just

519
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:09,720
steady work and I could play guitar constantly and I

520
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480
was home, you know. So I was based on home.

521
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:16,119
It wasn't like going on the road with abandon and

522
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,880
leaving your home for months. But when Michael gave me

523
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,400
the call, hey, I have dates now as a solo

524
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,680
artist with the rock record, which was on MTV and everything.

525
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:30,160
So I supported him. I was his guitarist, and the

526
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,640
funny quick story about that and then we should talk

527
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,920
about kiss anyway silent, But Michael didn't have enough material

528
00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:40,440
really to support Bob Seger on an arena tour for

529
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:44,599
three weeks. So he's doing covers and some of the songs.

530
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,599
And the first thing, because Michael was always known as

531
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,039
a terrific kind of blues rock singer who could do

532
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,480
way and stuff like that, and Seegar was like, what

533
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,599
the hell is this? I didn't hire a you know

534
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,440
what I mean. Obviously he knew the host set wasn't covers,

535
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,680
so now it's like, what O the songs you guys

536
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:06,359
have or you're off the tour. And then it wasn't

537
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,599
too hard for me to say, Michael, I think we

538
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,480
need to do some blackjack and we did and that

539
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,279
was great and everybody was happy, you know what I mean.

540
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,519
So and I have to give a little shout out him.

541
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:23,119
So I'm still very sad that, you know, Michael, as

542
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,960
much as he's hanging in there, he had a very serious,

543
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,880
you know, brain cancer thing, right, and he's been battling that.

544
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,200
And I don't know much more other than on occasion

545
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:36,039
the family will post a photo with him, but I just,

546
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,119
you know, I do want to say that quite a

547
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:40,799
few people aren't aware of it, even though it was

548
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,559
a big People magazine thing about it in April, but

549
00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,680
that you know, if it gets back to Michael's people,

550
00:32:46,759 --> 00:32:48,440
we all love you and miss you, you know, because

551
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,839
it's been so hard to actually speak to him. But

552
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,079
I know the family loves him very much and they're

553
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,960
they're looking after him. And I just such an ambitious,

554
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,359
talented man. I can't even imagine what it's life suddenly

555
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,720
the brakes, you know what I mean, You hit the

556
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,240
brakes and your life changes like that. So I'm hoping

557
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,359
the best for him. So anyway, and then you know

558
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,519
the connection later on with Michael, with Forever and of course,

559
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,279
but at that point, you know again, now I'm done

560
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:17,319
with Michael's tour and I'm home and I get the

561
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:20,880
call from Paul come in and do a song. And

562
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,039
then of course I wasn't with Billy. I was, you know,

563
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Michael didn't take off as the soul Wars that I

564
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,400
would have you know that that was that consequential. Billy

565
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,880
was like double triple platinum ready by that second album

566
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,680
that he put out. So then next thing I know,

567
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:40,839
there I am on tour with Kiss and it was working.

568
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:44,240
I kind of always felt really good about it, and

569
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,079
I didn't know what would happen by the time we

570
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,559
got back to America, but clearly, for whatever reason, they

571
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,240
needed to give Mark, you know, a shot at least,

572
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,000
so now he's like traveling with us, and I had

573
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,319
a very I was really very greatful of everything. Then

574
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,960
I remembered, this is such a great opportunity. I don't

575
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720
want to burn bridges and I don't want to ruin it,

576
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,920
so I'm not going to like knock them out like

577
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:14,039
Tanya Harding or some crazy you know, ice skating. Then

578
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,480
you know, so I just hey, Mark, let's jam you

579
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:18,960
know what I mean? So we would like warm up

580
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,880
backstage and everything. Yeah, which, uh, the guy who does

581
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,639
all those T shirts and pills for me made a

582
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,480
point telling me that I think you've played with every

583
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,800
member of Kiss, you know what I mean, And and

584
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,320
he's right, even played with Mark in a sense by

585
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,679
jamming backstage. But yeah, I did play later on with

586
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,039
Vinnie at that Creature's Fest, and of course I played.

587
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,480
I was at eater at events and Tommy of course

588
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,880
and and Eric Carr. So I've hit all the checkboxes.

589
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: Go to me.

590
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 4: Okay, that's kind of cool. But anyway, Mark had his chance.

591
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,800
They realized, contractor or not, that they had the right

592
00:34:53,920 --> 00:35:00,079
to send them home. And you know, I, I I

593
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,880
felt stylistically, I was a better fit. I always felt

594
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,400
and and and obviously I was and I and I

595
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,599
what I learned and grew and adapted to in all

596
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,400
those years was with kiss was who I am anyway,

597
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,639
because I'm always trying to be be supportive of the

598
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,440
others that I'm with. I want it to be it's

599
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,679
not always about me, you know what I mean, Well

600
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,079
is what I do, and uh, you know it's trew you.

601
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,679
You know what I mean. It's always a you know,

602
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:33,800
a collaborative effort. And I always showed the respect to

603
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,320
Gene and Paul, even if I didn't agree with them.

604
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,440
I showed them, you know, that respect because they created

605
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,880
such a huge thing. And I continue to show them

606
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,280
that respect with all the with their entire career, because

607
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,440
it's been just a wonderful ride for me all you know,

608
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:51,639
in every which way.

609
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 3: How long so you you get you're on the tour.

610
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,079
Then they say you're the guy, You're you're going to

611
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,199
be in the band or the guy? Right?

612
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,559
Speaker 4: That was just days before Animalized Live, you know.

613
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:07,039
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, So how long before the end of the

614
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,800
tour did they Did they start talking about the next

615
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,199
record while you guys were on tour or was that

616
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:13,559
after the tour ended?

617
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 4: I really think it was after. These guys give their

618
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,679
role when they're on tour and get through the shows

619
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,400
and and you know, Asylum actually went through a lot

620
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:29,559
of changes. I'm sorry Animalized was a long tour rather Asylum,

621
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:31,079
they go through a lot of changes. We'll get that

622
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:35,679
out in the later but yeah, Animalized certainly they were.

623
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,960
They were so thrilled that they could have a platinum record,

624
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:43,320
you know what I mean, and MTV doing a special

625
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,800
with them. That had to feel great for Gena and Paul,

626
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,400
you know. I mean, I wasn't around for the height

627
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:55,000
of their success and some of the tremendous uh you know,

628
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,360
events and sales and promotions and what they were able

629
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,199
to do in makeup and then when it started too

630
00:37:01,079 --> 00:37:05,000
you know, go down and they hung out and they

631
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,599
still did quality stuff. I love the Elder too, but

632
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,480
they were really not in their groove if.

633
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and it's definitely different.

634
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, So then to see it now go up like that,

635
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:20,719
and I think I think they were just you know,

636
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,360
basking in the glory of like, hey, we're back and

637
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,519
we're doing really great, and and now Jean still had

638
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,639
his sights on movies and other things because he was

639
00:37:32,679 --> 00:37:35,440
always such an ambitious business person. Doesn't believe in a

640
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:40,239
day off for a holiday, so and he'll he'll brag

641
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,800
about that and not be ashamed of it.

642
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,119
Speaker 3: Okay, of course, of course.

643
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:46,519
Speaker 4: Yeah. But but the point I'm making is I think

644
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,360
this is where Paul started to really steer the ship.

645
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:54,280
And I would imagine that songs and the plans for

646
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,880
Asylum didn't really happen until that's tour was over.

647
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,559
Speaker 3: Okay, So well, why when you get the call I mean,

648
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,840
pre production and writing and all that kind of stuff,

649
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,880
when when you're going in to start writing for Asylum

650
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,559
guitar wise, because you know, like the first three Kiss

651
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,320
records they all have the kind of the same sound,

652
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,239
the second three they all kind of have the same Well,

653
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,679
Destroyer was a whole production, but sure, but those first

654
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,599
three non makeup records all kind of have the same

655
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,880
you know, style and sound. Were they asking you to

656
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,119
write kind of like like the guitar riffs were kind

657
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:35,239
of like what had come out on Lick It Up

658
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,079
and animalized?

659
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,039
Speaker 4: Or were they No, I didn't get any direction. What

660
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:42,480
I was very happy about is that I had the

661
00:38:42,559 --> 00:38:45,559
opportunity to work with both Jane and Paul right, and

662
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,519
they both work very differently. I've discussed quite a bit

663
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:55,360
through the years about their collaborative songwriting approach that they're

664
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,360
very different, but they're both so talented with it, right.

665
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,800
I just know that I think that I don't think

666
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,079
they needed to give me a like, hey, you know,

667
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,840
if you come up with anything, make sure it's like something,

668
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,400
you know what I mean, like this album or that

669
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:15,119
album and and what was great? Of course, and I'll

670
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:18,679
never forget, of course, knowing that Desmond Child. This is

671
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,639
even before the bon Jovi hit. But Desmond was already

672
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,000
a formidable writer, you know, and then there he is,

673
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,679
you know, he was involved with Heavens on Fire, of course,

674
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,360
and then I get the opportunity to come in and say, like,

675
00:39:31,639 --> 00:39:34,559
all right, you know, let's try to write something. So

676
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,840
I prepared some ideas, you know, and I think the

677
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,840
first thing we worked on was King of the Mountain,

678
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,599
where I had to you know, you know, I had

679
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:48,159
those chords, you know, you know, stuff like that, and

680
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,320
then the next thing, I know, we're developing something, and

681
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,360
then Paul would jump in with some chorus chords and

682
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,760
they're starting to sing along. It was pretty exciting, you

683
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,559
know what I mean, to see a song shaped, you know,

684
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,320
with them, and then I came in with that fast

685
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:13,519
like uh, you know, I forget it. So I had

686
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:15,639
some things prepared that would have been Alive which had

687
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,280
a different title in the beginning. Excuse if it's a

688
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,199
little attitude, I'm not plugged in or anything, but I.

689
00:40:20,679 --> 00:40:23,119
Speaker 3: Said it wasn't that there was no volume coming from

690
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:23,840
the guitar at all.

691
00:40:24,039 --> 00:40:28,159
Speaker 4: Oh get good. That was great anyway. But but my

692
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,599
point is everybody writes different, you know what I mean. Gene,

693
00:40:32,599 --> 00:40:35,960
I remember at some point on tour I figured out

694
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:40,239
some riffs for I think it was Trial by Fire,

695
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,480
which also had a different title at first. But I

696
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,519
had the chords, I had like a drum track to

697
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,119
jam at to and and Gene right away you know,

698
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,719
took a liking to it. So again, no no direction,

699
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,400
just knowing, well this seems a little more. You know,

700
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,280
I always had a guess, so I think you would

701
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,440
like this better, and maybe Paul would like that better,

702
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,039
because the problem was, you know, if you if you

703
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,119
pitch it to the wrong one, it was probably and

704
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,920
didn't happen. It was probably dead in the water because

705
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,840
the other one, you know, it's kind of like sloppy seconds.

706
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,400
And you know how guys get about that as.

707
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:20,639
Speaker 3: Trust me, I know. But hey, it worked, It worked

708
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:21,800
with god Aner.

709
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,519
Speaker 4: Yeah you know, yeah, no, Well it's okay. Between the

710
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:32,199
two of them, they have a bond like brothers that fight,

711
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:37,400
that disagree, that will will kill for each other. Okay.

712
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:43,119
I I I'm well aware of how brutal they can sometimes,

713
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:46,480
you know, share about each other. And yet I know

714
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:48,840
how they also can express how much they love each

715
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,639
other and how much they need each other and how

716
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,760
much great, how grateful they are for for meeting each

717
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,599
other and having that combined success and and I I

718
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,000
I understand that, you know what I mean. It sometimes

719
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:05,199
it takes that ying and yang or that very you know,

720
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,920
black and white in difference, you know, to to make

721
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,440
a better hole. And that's why neither of the solo

722
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:15,320
tours that anybody's ever done from those two guys could

723
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,440
match anything. You know, kiss it just can't you know,

724
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,599
even though they are both such tremendous artists on their own,

725
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,960
it's very rare when the the you know, one of

726
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,119
the principles can go off and be bigger you know

727
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,400
what I mean, or as big as what they're a

728
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,400
part of. Okay, it does happen, you know, you know,

729
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,719
you can say Sting is even as big or as

730
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,199
big or bigger than the Police. But the point is

731
00:42:40,519 --> 00:42:45,079
Gene and Paul together just just you know, their icons,

732
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,239
Look what they created.

733
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,599
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, was there any you know, you say, writing

734
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,679
for you know, whichever one, YadA, YadA, YadA, was there

735
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,559
any just just get in the room of jam and

736
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,679
see what comes out of it? Or just did that

737
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:00,920
sappoint you a little bit?

738
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 4: No, I was gonna play by their roles. However, you know,

739
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,480
now it's interesting you bring that up because years later

740
00:43:10,119 --> 00:43:13,760
with Eric Singer and Carnival Souls, or in between Revenge

741
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,199
and Carnival Souls, when there was a bit of a

742
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,280
time we were the band was starting to they were

743
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,880
getting frustrated that even with a record like Revenge, they

744
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,760
couldn't go platinum, which it might actually be platinum, but

745
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,840
people changed how they were buying stuff and everything, you know,

746
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,119
such a terrific record, and then Jane would call me

747
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,920
up and Eric and we jammed a you know, you know,

748
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,519
a small studio, nothing fancy, and I have quite a

749
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,440
few of those recordings. They're quite good. But that was

750
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,320
jamming and see what would happen even though he had ideas,

751
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,000
and then I'd have an idea. But and I'm not

752
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,159
saying it never happened with Paul where where suddenly were

753
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,440
sitting with another co writer who knows how to tap

754
00:43:57,519 --> 00:44:00,119
out of beats on a you know, even even a

755
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,280
drum machine type thing that you can hear and sing

756
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,039
along to. But no, the only, the only, the jamming

757
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:08,400
usually happened at sound checks.

758
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,079
Speaker 3: All right, there's nothing wrong with that.

759
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 4: The song was not for a record.

760
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 3: I meant, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, obviously, just jamming and

761
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,960
having fun at sound check the song I'm alive. I

762
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,840
you know, I think I've I've told you this before.

763
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960
To me, that's they always talked about, Oh what if

764
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,000
Eddie van Halen was in Kiss? And that was all

765
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:32,960
those rumors, YadA YadA, YadA to me, that's that's the

766
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,440
song that sounds like if Eddie would have been in Kiss.

767
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:38,280
That's you doing Eddie.

768
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you.

769
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: Well, No, it is. It absolutely is when you're writing

770
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:46,920
that song, because you do have a co write on

771
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:52,960
that song. Was there any thought about how you're maybe

772
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,079
this is gonna be my shred song, this is gonna

773
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,039
this is my with my dickout song.

774
00:44:57,519 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a way. I mean, you gotta remember that

775
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,719
once they asked me to join the band, it was

776
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,960
very clear that they wanted me to be competitive with

777
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,320
what was happening in the AES. And as we all know,

778
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:14,199
guitar players really got a chance to step out and

779
00:45:14,639 --> 00:45:20,039
and really become, uh, you know, a voice in the

780
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,079
band in the sense of virtuosity and all that. And

781
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,599
then so you have someone in the extreme like a

782
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,079
like an Innvey Malms team, you know what I mean.

783
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,199
And then and then of course, you know, you got

784
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,039
a simple meat and potatoes guy like uh, let's say

785
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,519
the guy from Bad Company, you know, Nick Ralse, you know,

786
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:40,639
and again memorable riffs and and important stuff. But but

787
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:46,719
certainly I was I was really freaked out by Randy

788
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,519
Rhodes and Eddie. To be quite honest, I related more

789
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,239
to Eddie because I don't know. I always got this sense,

790
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,199
and it was confirmed with me years later that Eddie

791
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,159
listened to terror Clapton one of my big heroes. I

792
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,599
saw a video of Eddie early on showing off to

793
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,480
an interview and he's playing Courseroads note for note. He

794
00:46:08,559 --> 00:46:11,719
still sounded like Eddie, but he knew every riff. Okay, yeah,

795
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,719
and that's what I loved about Eddie. He was the

796
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,000
supercharged version of a Claptain taking you know, that kind

797
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,400
of guitar, playing to like a race car level. Okay,

798
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,800
of course with new tricks and everything, but still with

799
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,119
the fast picking that I never was completely comfortable on.

800
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,920
But I was able to hone my craft using elements

801
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,840
of Eddie and the other some of the other great

802
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,800
players from that era. But I and if I was

803
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,920
able to show it off.

804
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: On yeah, great, absolutely did. Was there any song on

805
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,519
that record where you're happy you did not have to

806
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:55,079
play it live because of how fast you guys were playing? Well?

807
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:58,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, looking back, I have a rehearsal tape

808
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:03,320
that's pretty damn awesome. Of it was only a trio

809
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,840
and I'm sure Paul had a reason why he wasn't

810
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,159
at that rehearsal that I recorded, But it was great

811
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,599
that I got it of us going through King of

812
00:47:12,639 --> 00:47:15,559
the Mountain. And that's a really hard song, even though

813
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,519
on my Hot Licks video instructional tape, I showed how

814
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:21,880
the rifts were, you know, how I created the riffs

815
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,039
and everything, and I remember listening. You know, I didn't

816
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:26,599
do a bad job. You got to remember that would

817
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:33,400
have been eighty six. But yeah, some of that stuff

818
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,639
was always a challenge, you know what I mean. And

819
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:38,599
you gotta remember you used a lot of the studio

820
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,599
tricks back then. So let's say you record yourself four

821
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,400
times and you picked the best parts. Yeah, okay, so

822
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,400
that becomes you know, we're a Tears of Falling solo.

823
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:56,079
It's a little bit slower song, methodically planned out, melodic rifts,

824
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,599
a little bit of flash, you know, And that's that's

825
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,960
thankfully something I can still play. Who wants to be only?

826
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,119
I mean, all the songs have I think creative solos,

827
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,119
but some of them I could still do better than others.

828
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 3: Right it is? Were you surprised that you guys did

829
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,639
the three videos but only Tears of Following was released

830
00:48:18,679 --> 00:48:21,480
as a radio single. Do you know why that happened?

831
00:48:22,559 --> 00:48:24,159
Speaker 4: You had no clue? Really? No?

832
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 3: Were you surprised? Now?

833
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 4: I'm not sure I was aware of so much because

834
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,760
we were probably getting out on tour and trying to

835
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,559
drive the narrative of a new record. Some of the

836
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:38,039
later releases, I was more aware of what was being

837
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,280
chosen as a single. Yeah, but Tears of Following. Fortunately,

838
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,239
people still talk about that song quite a bit.

839
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 3: You talked about I saw that interview on Kiss on Yeah.

840
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,039
Speaker 4: I mean that was one thing that I was able

841
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:53,119
to do for Kiss Online and Pophouse, which was a

842
00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:56,760
nice in depth thing with Ken Sharp, who's a great,

843
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,320
great writer that has done a lot of stuff that's

844
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,079
kiss and we spent a lot of time making and

845
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,920
as accurate as we could, you know, kind of research.

846
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:06,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

847
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,079
Speaker 4: I don't remember everything from forty years ago.

848
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:11,559
Speaker 3: And it was a long time ago, a long time ago.

849
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 4: But but I know that we we kept, you know,

850
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,719
like delving in and making sure everything was as as

851
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,079
as proper as possible. And we talked about the videos,

852
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,639
so all that contents on Kiss Online. She'll let everybody go, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

853
00:49:25,639 --> 00:49:27,119
absolutely under stories.

854
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, because like about it, I didn't even know about it.

855
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:33,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now there's new interviews with Gina Paul about

856
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:36,199
a live okay, And that's the kind of content that

857
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,559
I know pop house is trying to to fuel with

858
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,559
the fans, you know, to give them, you know, the

859
00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:45,280
celebration of such great music.

860
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: So I was going to reference that because you were

861
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,039
talking about tears of following in this and like Paul

862
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,960
played all the rhythm guitars on that, he played all

863
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,880
the guitars except for the solo. Do you kind of

864
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:59,079
tell the story about, you know, coming up with that

865
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,920
solo and work with Paul on that.

866
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, And by the way, it was really

867
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,800
a sign where that only happened about the rhythm guitarist

868
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,679
being all him. But I was the new guy, and

869
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,960
I'm pretty sure animalized he did the same thing. Do

870
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,760
you see what I mean? Yeah, li'sten animalized Mark Mark

871
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,000
was hard as the new hot shot lead player, okay,

872
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,360
who certainly put his stamp on that record. There's some

873
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:29,719
great solos that that are not not easy for me

874
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,880
to play, you know what I mean. There's a few

875
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,280
that are a little more I could tell Paul probably

876
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,800
worked with him to make it more melodic like Thrills

877
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:41,760
in the Night, Okay, and I played on uh oh

878
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:45,559
Lonely is the Hunter, I believe, Yeah, and a little

879
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:49,480
bit at the tail of Murder and high Heels. But uh,

880
00:50:50,639 --> 00:50:53,119
I think that's why Paul. I mean, I'm a I

881
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,039
think I'm a terrific rhythm player. Okay. Yeah, I'm not

882
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:59,360
saying my leasa you know, aren't competitive, but I'm just

883
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,719
saying I I I know, moving forward like Crazy Nights,

884
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,239
Ron relied on me, and I'm sure I played guitar

885
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,840
and everything. You know, I don't mean every every track,

886
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:13,960
but I'm saying with Paul, okay, or maybe without you know,

887
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:18,519
not having Paul. Also Okay, Paul's rhythms real important for

888
00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,880
certain songs, but on Asylum, I'm pretty sure it's all him. Okay.

889
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,239
So I'm stepping in now. On on Trial by this

890
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,480
is his songs, probably Trial by Fire. On Asylum, I

891
00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:31,679
would be playing rhythm. Okay. So I know I said

892
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,320
that he played all the rhythms, but I meant specifically

893
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,920
for I would think and and then or at least

894
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,159
on tiers of Farm. And I'm realizing now, no, there's

895
00:51:40,199 --> 00:51:42,239
no way, I would have played the rhythms. I'm alive,

896
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:45,599
you see what I mean. Yeah, yeah, I was an

897
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:50,079
actorate on kiss online alert the media. Okay, no, no,

898
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,880
you know what I mean. But but I know when

899
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,800
I when I walked in to do Tiers of Falling,

900
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,039
I don't remember ever doing the riff or any of

901
00:51:56,079 --> 00:51:58,440
the chords or any of the picnic parts. He did

902
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,239
it all right, So yeah on you know, depending on

903
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,119
the song. For sure, if I co wrote it, just

904
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:05,960
like King of the Mountain, I would have been playing

905
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:10,159
rhythm too with him, clearly. Yeah. But anyway, going in

906
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:15,159
and playing the leads on Tears of Foine was a

907
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:20,639
collaborative effort where we wanted to make it. I love

908
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:24,519
the fact that he thinks melodically with solos too, you know.

909
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:30,519
So the beginning was crafted with with a melody, and

910
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:32,880
it's the first part of the song that goes minor.

911
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,599
I know, you play music, you'd understand that where the

912
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,559
song actually has a very either noncommittal key of minor

913
00:52:40,599 --> 00:52:43,480
a major or major from the melody. Okay, but now

914
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,960
it's minor, which makes a nice entry for the guitar work,

915
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:50,760
you know. So the first riffs are clearly minor. I

916
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,199
showed the solo also on my social media and there's

917
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:56,920
a YouTube of it that was pretty cool. And then

918
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,119
I showed how we worked out the harmony parts. I

919
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,719
know Paul didn't come up with the flashy part, because

920
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,840
that was something that you know, kind of a riff

921
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,079
I used to fool around with sometimes. The fact that

922
00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,960
I was able to nail that part, you know, but

923
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,639
that was there for the flash, even though it's still melodic.

924
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,880
And then to end it with a with a minor

925
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,800
and then end that riff with a nice minor thing

926
00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:22,039
and then you know, clime up, which is something I

927
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,599
was known for for something exciting at the very ending. Okay,

928
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:29,480
so really a great a soul that I love the

929
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:33,519
way it's constructed, and that approach was a big part

930
00:53:33,559 --> 00:53:35,679
of many of the solos that I did with Kiss,

931
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,960
you know, melody, some flash, hopefully an exciting ending, you know,

932
00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:42,960
saying okay, it's time for me to give it back

933
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,280
to the lead singer. Now you know that kind of thing.

934
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

935
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:47,039
Speaker 4: Uh.

936
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:48,519
Speaker 3: Gene and Paul produced the record.

937
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

938
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 3: Were they producing themselves and not chiming in on each other.

939
00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 4: Largely? They produced their own stuff, but then with obviously

940
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,880
having a opinion with the other on their you know.

941
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:08,400
But in general, I would say Paul knew what he wanted,

942
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:10,519
and Gen knew what he wanted, you know what I mean,

943
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,119
And I was just there to play guitar with whoever

944
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,679
needed me to.

945
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, was there a difference between how both

946
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,920
how each of them produced.

947
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 4: You only in the sense that obviously they're using their

948
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:33,119
particular taste to help guide me. Okay, So I think

949
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,679
Gene was more attracted to flash than Paul. Okay, so

950
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,400
I've seen Gene b like specific about some styles of

951
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,760
guitar playing, where I think Paul knows that some speed

952
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:48,920
is a good thing in times, but I think he's

953
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,480
real concerned about a melody first. Okay, I'm not saying

954
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:55,119
Gene doesn't think melody, you know, but I know he

955
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:58,800
wants the guitar to be exciting. So now now try

956
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,400
by Fire, which we call There isn't even a damn

957
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:01,960
solo in it.

958
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 2: Oh shit, you know what you think about Shit, I've

959
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,000
never even real and I wrote it with him.

960
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 4: You know what I mean. Yeah, it didn't really need

961
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,599
a section for a solo. It's kind of weird. At

962
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,880
the end, I get a little uh, the movement moves

963
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,840
a little bit more, but I didn't care, you know,

964
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,800
But what And is that the only one I wrote

965
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,639
with him? And I think the other co writs are

966
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:25,159
with Paul?

967
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 3: Yeah? Was there any ghost players on that record?

968
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 4: John beauvois he's credited though he is I didn't know. Yeah, yeah,

969
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,320
I was the Kiss album, It said John BOUVOI, Oh,

970
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:39,639
it's some Wikipedia.

971
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 3: Well Wikipedia, Yeah, usually young Kiss.

972
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 4: They don't they don't ever mention it.

973
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,039
Speaker 3: On the Gotcha, Alan Schwarzberg drum over dubs on who

974
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:51,800
wants to both be lonely? Tears are falling in all Night.

975
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:56,400
Speaker 4: I didn't even know about Alan on that, and that's possible,

976
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,599
but I vote Eric Carr played terrific on the record.

977
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely yeah.

978
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 4: And I can see why Paul wanted John because he

979
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,320
was helping write some of this stuff and he had

980
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,519
an interesting feel. Later on, it would be Paul would

981
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:15,320
lean on me sometimes to play bass. Gene is like,

982
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,960
I admire him so much. I copy his style. I

983
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:24,920
know who absolutely, and he doesn't care about being a

984
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:31,159
respected musician. We all know, okay, but he's an incredible

985
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:36,119
you know musician, because he's dialed in what he does

986
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,119
on the bass so well. The fact he doesn't care

987
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:41,800
makes it even funnier. But that's that's part of his stick.

988
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:45,360
So he's a business guy, and he has a character,

989
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,440
and he's the demon or the tough guy who and

990
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,719
and he's all those things, even though he's also a

991
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:56,639
little teddy bear many times too, absolutely showing his emotions

992
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,760
about about his mother or Israel or whatever. But the

993
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,119
point I'm making is that Kiss always thought about the song.

994
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,480
So if Paul thought, and if I did the demo

995
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:11,159
with him on the song and I played the bass

996
00:57:11,199 --> 00:57:13,920
and he liked what I played, it's like the Beatles,

997
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,039
how many things McCartney played, or or even drums, yeah,

998
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,400
or or you're bringing Eric Clapton to do well, my

999
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,039
guitar gently weeps. You know, Kiss was more about that

1000
00:57:26,639 --> 00:57:29,880
than the four of us in the studio, right.

1001
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: The song Loves a Deadly Weapon. That was a Plasmatic song, correct.

1002
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd have to research that.

1003
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,719
Speaker 3: Oh credits Plasmatic members Rod Swinston, West Beach borrows heavily

1004
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:45,880
from the song party.

1005
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that I didn't know.

1006
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 3: You have no no idea about that.

1007
00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 4: All right, it was one of Jean's up tempo things.

1008
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 3: You know very well, very well. But what's the first

1009
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:56,960
time you saw the costumes?

1010
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 4: Oh, that would have been maybe there were was a

1011
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,840
meeting somewhere in New York City with Flur Okay, the

1012
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,719
very talented I don't pronounce her last name very well,

1013
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,400
but she's I still get in touch with her. And

1014
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:17,800
she started working already with Paul. And obviously the clothing

1015
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,519
was quite extreme. I mean I could easily yeah, I

1016
00:58:21,599 --> 00:58:24,000
could easily say, especially on the on the side of Paul,

1017
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,800
but I think he was entertaining that. Now I have

1018
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:30,599
showed a pretty cool picture of Ozzy and we all

1019
00:58:30,719 --> 00:58:32,880
know Ozzy's the prince of darkness, and he was in

1020
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:38,199
total sequence and glittery glam and everything. Yeah, and the

1021
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,599
white snake stuff was a little it was that time, Okay,

1022
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:47,199
Paul really embraced it. Lime green and dangling things and

1023
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,880
sequence and beads and stuff. Eric Carr would always be

1024
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,079
comfortable in the leotard. So instead of the animalized black

1025
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:57,159
one with some animal print thrown over you now or

1026
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,679
you know, now you're in colorful you know, I gotta

1027
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,199
I remember I told you before we started the interval,

1028
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,880
give me five more minutes, I got, yeah, Pries. So

1029
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,719
besides the records, a T shirt, but guitar, I have

1030
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,920
another prop. Okay. So I found this in my closet,

1031
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,559
and this is just representing something that was going on.

1032
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:22,480
I always shop for clothes lots of times from on

1033
00:59:22,599 --> 00:59:26,280
Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles. Okay, back in that era,

1034
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,119
it was rock and roll. Okay, leather, it could be biker,

1035
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,639
it could be Judas priest, it could be flashy, it

1036
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:40,159
could be sequence and glitter and you know everything. So

1037
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,960
for example here I always love these kind of Indian

1038
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:51,639
cotton scarves. Look at colors. Okay, you get where I'm

1039
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:52,039
going with it.

1040
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and disadvantage and.

1041
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,159
Speaker 4: From that era and people were making things using these

1042
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:03,599
colors in the everything. And somehow when Paul and Fleur

1043
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,840
got involved with like what you would do, obviously Gene

1044
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880
being the real the odd member out, because how do

1045
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,880
you make a demon guy, you know, someone that always

1046
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,519
exudes this kind of a macho you know, Mussolini? Yeah

1047
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:22,960
you know, I mean, you know, and now he's in

1048
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:28,000
you know, Sequence and red and capes and everything, you

1049
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:29,760
know what I mean. It was awkward for Gene, I

1050
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,519
felt bad, and I don't know if there was any solution.

1051
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,199
I also think it's why we were never professionally filmed

1052
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,519
with a whole concert by Kiss, because he didn't like

1053
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,360
the way he looked. I know that, but you know

1054
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,559
that was the error. My outfits I thought were a

1055
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:49,360
great medium.

1056
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,119
Speaker 3: You know some of that.

1057
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:54,119
Speaker 4: I remember sharing one that Oh my god, those pants

1058
01:00:54,159 --> 01:00:56,599
in that jacket remind me of what you know, you know,

1059
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,480
Taylor Swifts just made so popular this red at outfit.

1060
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 3: You don't have any of that anymore right now.

1061
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 4: I don't have any of the Assylum clothes. Most of

1062
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,519
that stayed in the warehouse. And then when they had

1063
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:12,760
that big Butterfield auction back in two thousand, those those

1064
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,599
outfits was definitely sold. Don't know if they wound up

1065
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,840
at like a hard rock or a private person bought it,

1066
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:18,960
but they're out there.

1067
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 3: Were they were they working on the costumes before they

1068
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:24,199
came up with the concept for the cover.

1069
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:29,159
Speaker 4: Or you don't know. I'm not so sure. I don't

1070
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:31,440
think they were necessarily connected.

1071
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 3: Okay, well, it just it would make sense because of

1072
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:37,159
how the cover is compared to what the costs are,

1073
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:37,639
you know, But I.

1074
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:42,199
Speaker 4: Think it was just the time to do something. I mean,

1075
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:46,239
you know, I first of all, the title animalized was brilliant,

1076
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,360
and you know, fortunately animal clothes and accents and from

1077
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:58,199
from everything about that style never went away, right, you know.

1078
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:02,159
And obviously something like the asylum color colors and things

1079
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:04,440
that that that's you gotta have a flavor for that,

1080
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,519
you know what I mean, absolutely, and and and and

1081
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,880
you know obviously even though they're this is just a drawing,

1082
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,960
we know what the actual photo looks like, you know.

1083
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,400
But but I like, you know, there's a great video

1084
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,360
out there. I don't even want to get into too

1085
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,599
much about the cover because the the artist that you know,

1086
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,840
developed it with Paul Uh, he's done this videos of

1087
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,880
him sharing Dennis We'll We'll. I forget how to pronounced

1088
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,039
his last name. I'm pretty sure he's the one. He

1089
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:39,679
explains everything about it, and I watched it and studied

1090
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,000
it because I didn't know, Oh why is why is

1091
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:44,599
it tilted? And even though Eric car might have gotten

1092
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:46,960
the short end of the stick there, he did it

1093
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,639
to make it a little artie, you know what I mean.

1094
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,840
There are versions of those photos and then he explains

1095
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,079
that each one of us just came in with like

1096
01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:59,639
a you know, I just pose. You know, it was

1097
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:01,719
just a you know, photo of each and then you're

1098
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,480
manipulating it obviously in whatever programs they used back in

1099
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:09,159
forty years ago, I don't know what they used. You know.

1100
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:12,159
Now it's always photoshop and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1101
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:14,519
and that's even when when I realized, well, what if

1102
01:03:14,599 --> 01:03:16,480
my face was on this, and then I could use

1103
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,320
some of those brushstrokes? Where would I put them? You

1104
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,119
see what I mean? Yeah, And I know that this

1105
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,800
this looks perfectly balanced to me, But that guy had

1106
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:30,280
that talent and I for it. And I think I

1107
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,519
think it's you either love it or you hate it.

1108
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,679
Either way, I love that my face is on the cover,

1109
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:36,360
that's for sure.

1110
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:39,559
Speaker 3: What do you remember about the making of the videos?

1111
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:43,079
Speaker 4: Oh exciting? I mean, first of all, going to England,

1112
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:47,519
which by the way, was a lot less expensive back then.

1113
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,639
Then it would be now, okay, we all know how

1114
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,960
expensive going to Europe is, and then you get the

1115
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:57,960
vat tax and everything else. You know, it was first

1116
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,360
of all, I love England, I love London. I grew

1117
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,320
up loving the British invasion. So anything to do with

1118
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,920
the Beatles to Who and led Zeppelin and on and on.

1119
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,639
So I was very, very excited to be there. There's

1120
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:15,559
a couple of my personal photos on the Kiss Online

1121
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:23,480
article that I shared. Obviously, I was just always excited.

1122
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,519
I got my first public shower with people, you know,

1123
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:30,199
and tears of falling right right, yeah, and then I

1124
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,639
got wet again in the other video, you know, that's right.

1125
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,119
Wants to be lonely. The guitars survived, but it was

1126
01:04:36,159 --> 01:04:38,119
pretty weird, you know, the.

1127
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 3: All night video with all the girls. Yeah, you have

1128
01:04:42,519 --> 01:04:44,679
any good stories about the filming?

1129
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of that stuff was shot some

1130
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,639
of them they were in the same shot as us,

1131
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,320
but not really. And and to be honest, I wish

1132
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,679
I knew more about where the director kind of was wrought,

1133
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,039
you know, stealing something from Hollywood, you know, the like

1134
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,360
Pugs be the what is it called Berkeley something. Yeah,

1135
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,199
my my wife knows all this stuff. Lisa is a

1136
01:05:06,239 --> 01:05:10,280
big she she got it right away. But what can

1137
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,280
I say? It was very tongue in cheek anything outrageous

1138
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:17,280
back then, and and sexy and it was a bit

1139
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:21,920
burlesqui or whatever. It was was interesting, you know what

1140
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,519
I mean? I was playing a charvel that I had

1141
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:31,360
made post animalized with a zebra stripe design, something i'd like,

1142
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,679
I'm going to explore in the future. I found is

1143
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:38,199
he the original drawing I made to give Grover jack

1144
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:43,800
really to create the guitar's cool and then tires a

1145
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,599
fall and I used a custom design too. Unfortunately that

1146
01:05:47,679 --> 01:05:49,960
guitar was stolen. The zebra one I sold a long

1147
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,639
time ago because I never bonded with the next shape

1148
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:55,159
and everything. You know, who knew that, Like, why would

1149
01:05:55,199 --> 01:05:56,280
I get rid of something like that?

1150
01:05:56,719 --> 01:05:57,119
Speaker 3: But you do.

1151
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 4: You know, when it's five years after it's you don't

1152
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:04,000
have the same importance. But now with time I go like,

1153
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:06,800
what did I do? And the other one was stolen

1154
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:09,519
along with a few other of my guitars back in

1155
01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,159
eighty eight. That was the one that was purple with

1156
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:16,079
you know lines on it. I designed that too with

1157
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,519
you know, and gave him, gave Grover Jackson that that design.

1158
01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,239
I was never the guy to put like naked girls

1159
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,559
and skulls on my guitars, you know, I wanted I

1160
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:27,920
wanted something just some I like our deco and I

1161
01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:32,320
liked animal stuff. So I had had those approaches but

1162
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:35,239
and then of course the multi squirrel was featured in

1163
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:39,199
one of them. You know, this guitar is still legendary,

1164
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,239
and the original one, the one the one is with

1165
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:48,000
a tremendous collector. And Sweden had who even has one

1166
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:50,920
of my outfits from that era. I think he got

1167
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,119
that in the auction or through someone that bought it

1168
01:06:53,199 --> 01:06:55,880
in the auction and then they passed it down. So

1169
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,039
and the other guitar, the flip Flop Blue, which I

1170
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,039
just was selling. I still have a few remaining mini

1171
01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:05,159
guitars of this. That's at the hard Rock in London

1172
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:08,440
where they keep the vault and the merch. Okay, it's

1173
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:11,760
right right in Hyde Park. That that one the hard

1174
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,920
Rock bought from me ages ago. So cool stuff.

1175
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: You know.

1176
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 4: I love looking through all the years about the guitars

1177
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:18,960
that I used.

1178
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,440
Speaker 3: Of course, when you when you go back and watch

1179
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:24,360
those videos, is it do you grin? Is there anything

1180
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,000
that makes you cringe a little bit? Or do you

1181
01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:28,239
just enjoy it all?

1182
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: No?

1183
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,159
Speaker 4: Now I enjoy it. I know that. Probably if you

1184
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,000
asked me that in nineteen ninety five or something, I

1185
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,159
would have been like, what's going on?

1186
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: You know?

1187
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 4: But no, I love it Lisa and I whenever we've

1188
01:07:39,679 --> 01:07:42,960
revisited some of these things, like me looking in the

1189
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:46,400
keyhole in one. Yeah, that's right, you know, do the

1190
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:48,239
key hole, Bruce, you know what I mean?

1191
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh the key hole.

1192
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:54,159
Speaker 4: Okay, so no, no, I get it. And then you know,

1193
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:58,320
imagine that I'm forever. You know, first of all, the

1194
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,079
tear drop going on my guitar neck. You know, they

1195
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,559
start the promotions on you know, if you look online,

1196
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,199
a lot of the promotions that that was put together

1197
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:13,360
by Pophouse and all show that. But to be you know,

1198
01:08:13,639 --> 01:08:16,880
in the shower, the volcano, all that. No, I really

1199
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,800
I think all of them stand to test the time

1200
01:08:20,039 --> 01:08:22,720
in a fun way, and I love that they were.

1201
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,399
You know, my very first video with the band is

1202
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:28,600
actually a live video for Thrills in the Night. Of

1203
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:32,119
course we were sind but they realized, all right, that's

1204
01:08:32,199 --> 01:08:36,319
the next single, and that's a terrific song. It really is. Okay,

1205
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:38,920
but that was really the first one I ever did

1206
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,439
with them. But all three of these songs are so

1207
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,720
important and something I always want to be connected to

1208
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,880
the videos you're talking about. Just because of the videos,

1209
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:51,600
I think they're the most they're the most accessible commercially

1210
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:54,520
of those songs you know, of that record rather, but

1211
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:58,279
I still love that you like the exciting ones. And

1212
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,960
people talk about King of the Mountains sometimes.

1213
01:09:01,159 --> 01:09:03,560
Speaker 3: If there's if you had to pick one song on

1214
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,359
there that a video was not made for, which one

1215
01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:07,119
would you know?

1216
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,199
Speaker 4: Well, let me think about that one. Well, I certainly

1217
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,039
let me look at the song list, just so I

1218
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:21,680
don't give you a bullshit answer there. Hang on, I'll

1219
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:23,520
tell you King of the Mountain would be exciting. That

1220
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,439
was always my first thought. Not a lot of songs

1221
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,359
on the record.

1222
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,079
Speaker 3: You know, you're right, right right, Well, that was back

1223
01:09:30,119 --> 01:09:30,800
in the day where.

1224
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were only you know, yeah, so yeah, I

1225
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,199
would say King of the Mountain that would be really cool,

1226
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,000
just visually what you could do with it, even though

1227
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,399
we use a volcano and tears of falling, maybe it

1228
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:43,960
could be something with that.

1229
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 3: That'd be cool. Uh then, h then you guys are

1230
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,520
going out on tour. Actually, I just interviewed Jamie Saint

1231
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,159
James yesterday from Black and Blue, who was seen They

1232
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:54,319
did a bunch of dates on that tour with you.

1233
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,279
What do you remember remember about the tour?

1234
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:01,079
Speaker 4: Well, you know, obviously it was very exciting.

1235
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

1236
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 4: I know, we had great ambitions and expectations, and for

1237
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,159
for one reason or another, actually the attendance it didn't

1238
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:15,560
didn't stay at the height of the animalized thing, which

1239
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:21,000
was obviously disturbing for Gene and Paul. The sign was

1240
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:24,039
the biggest sign they ever used. I think it's still

1241
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:29,920
is true to even later. Okay, even with all the

1242
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,840
years of technology. It was the first like incredible multi

1243
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,760
colored sign. Okay, unusual.

1244
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 2: Uh.

1245
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:44,119
Speaker 4: Probably in the beginning. There was even faces on the floor,

1246
01:10:44,279 --> 01:10:48,479
which I think were too difficult, maybe slippery whatever, and

1247
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:52,439
they were retired. Uh. And then if we want to

1248
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:57,199
talk about the four lightning bulb steps, which whoever designed them, uh,

1249
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:03,159
you know, should be shot because climbing them was not friendly. Okay,

1250
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,920
that's like like like an escalating nightmare, you know what

1251
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,920
I mean, And I have there's plenty of video out there.

1252
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:10,279
Speaker 2: Paul.

1253
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sure if Paul ever felt, but

1254
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,479
I know Eric did, and I know I I stumbled

1255
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,680
as well. Fortunately you didn't fall off the complete stare,

1256
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,039
but you get stuck there for a minute. So I eventually,

1257
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:26,640
I know, we got rid of two of them. Uh,

1258
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,239
and then we might have kept too, and then maybe

1259
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:31,640
they all went away. I don't remember. There's some guys

1260
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,319
in Sweden that are such pros about the tour. They

1261
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:40,199
always talk about the variations of the staging. But it

1262
01:11:40,319 --> 01:11:42,760
was an exciting stage and unfortunately it's not a lot

1263
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:43,359
of video of it.

1264
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that there's really not a lot of video

1265
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:51,000
or any of the asylum stuff, not a I.

1266
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,279
Speaker 4: Mean there's some rough, rough things. Is one thing that

1267
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,560
came out that was pretty cool that was somebody sink

1268
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:04,640
the video to the what what what they had was

1269
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:08,039
was part of a promotional video. I'm looking in the

1270
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,560
tour book if there was anything like I know, you know,

1271
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,199
you always take pictures, but you got admit, I mean

1272
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,479
that's pretty hard still killer, you know. And this was

1273
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:22,159
included that was included on the you know, off the

1274
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:23,279
soundboard product.

1275
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1276
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:27,079
Speaker 4: So and then you know, Eric had a drum riser,

1277
01:12:27,359 --> 01:12:31,439
you know, which was really cool. So but yeah, I

1278
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,439
I wish it was video. And then again there's my

1279
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:41,680
tailor swift out and I know flur fullir loved that

1280
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:44,560
when I shared that, you know, and and here's my

1281
01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:48,840
getting wet in the in the the show, you know,

1282
01:12:49,279 --> 01:12:50,079
in the video, you.

1283
01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, is that Is that a reprint of the

1284
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,279
book or is that the actual No, this.

1285
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:56,640
Speaker 4: Is an actual book. In fact, it's slightly falling apart.

1286
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,239
But I have a few of them like this. If

1287
01:12:58,279 --> 01:13:01,079
anybody needs one to reach out, I could, I could

1288
01:13:01,119 --> 01:13:02,000
tell you a signed one.

1289
01:13:03,359 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 3: Smart. Smart?

1290
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,760
Speaker 4: Do you think? No? I love the book? You know?

1291
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:09,239
Because right?

1292
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's killer, that's kill.

1293
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,560
Speaker 4: You know where the animal is? You cat to remember

1294
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,399
for animalized? Obviously all the merch started off with Mark

1295
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:19,159
Saint John. Then they finally real hope Bruce is now

1296
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,840
in the band. We gotta re you know, fixed fix

1297
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,920
the cover, and then uh they left it's funny. And

1298
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,600
then when they had the one shot of me in

1299
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,000
the in the thing included, they left a picture of

1300
01:13:30,039 --> 01:13:32,720
his hand in it, which was all swollen, you know,

1301
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:35,520
which was part of the condition, which made no sense.

1302
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,720
I guess. I guess that was a reminder of we

1303
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:43,600
replaced the guy that unfortunately had to swollen hand with this.

1304
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 3: You know, Hey, Bruce, Uh, before we go here, I

1305
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,520
do want to touch on you are going to be

1306
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,880
playing here in November with the Big kiss e vent tire.

1307
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:55,720
What what can people expect from you?

1308
01:13:58,039 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 4: I think there's this schedule out there, okay, and my

1309
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:06,920
band will play on Sunday night. I got a you know,

1310
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,560
it's like a Kiss cruise. It would be like a

1311
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:10,920
set from the cruise, except usually on a cruise is

1312
01:14:11,239 --> 01:14:13,399
it's five days and usually you got to play twice.

1313
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:18,399
I'm playing one time. I actually, on purpose, chose the

1314
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,880
earlier slot because it's a three day weekend in Vegas.

1315
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:23,680
You know, what could happen. I didn't want to go

1316
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:27,279
on at you know, nine thirty o'clock and all that, right,

1317
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,319
So we'll be followed by Black and Blue, which I

1318
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:32,239
believe Tommy will sit in with them for some of

1319
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:36,399
that set. I am going to play along with Kiss

1320
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,600
on the Saturday night. I don't know what songs and

1321
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,680
how much, but now that's when when they do their

1322
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:48,039
you know performance. I'll be there all three days, although

1323
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:51,399
I'm not I don't have the schedule beyond that of

1324
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,239
what what exactly I'll be doing. But you know, it

1325
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:59,199
is kind of a cruise on land, you know, and

1326
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,680
the Virgin, which is a fine hotel. I know the

1327
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,039
locals and your local too, we both live in Vegas.

1328
01:15:06,119 --> 01:15:07,720
Are roll upset? Well? I want to go, but I

1329
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,399
don't want to stay with the Virgin, but they got

1330
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:13,039
to understand that it's sold that way as a complete package,

1331
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:16,760
you know. So I'm looking forward to it. I'm preparing

1332
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,319
the songs now that I'm gonna do with my band,

1333
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:25,159
and you know, obviously I can't cover my whole catalog,

1334
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:27,960
but I'm going to try to touch upon everything that's

1335
01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:30,239
that I know they'd love with a couple of left turns.

1336
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,359
I can't go too deep because I still want to

1337
01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:34,600
cover my stuff. I got to give a shout out

1338
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,439
to my good buddy Chris Jericho because his Quarantine band

1339
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,960
is going to play as well. Yeah, I love the

1340
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:44,680
guys with Quiet Riot. They're playing on the Friday night.

1341
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:48,279
Stephen Pearcy and warn De Martino, who are you know

1342
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,279
representing rat Basically they're there as well, and I might

1343
01:15:52,319 --> 01:15:56,640
be forgetting another artist to sew Sebastian Bob oh, yeah, Sebastian.

1344
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,119
Of course. That's on the same night as the Kiss

1345
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:00,960
thing and during the day. I think there's a lot

1346
01:16:01,039 --> 01:16:03,560
of these other things and I am aware of doing

1347
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,680
something with even though Bob Ezrin, the famous producer of course,

1348
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:09,880
can't be there in person. We're going to Zoom and

1349
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,319
do a panel and discuss revenge. I believe that's going

1350
01:16:13,359 --> 01:16:13,920
to be exciting.

1351
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,159
Speaker 3: That's good. Do you who's going to be playing with

1352
01:16:17,279 --> 01:16:18,039
you for this?

1353
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 4: For your show, I'm gonna have Brent fitz on drums. Okay,

1354
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,479
Todd Kurrns, of course is my guitar player front man.

1355
01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:30,960
I will mention that Unfortunately, Zach has another commitment, Zach Throne,

1356
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,199
who's who's a dear friend and wonderful musician. He's been

1357
01:16:35,239 --> 01:16:38,039
playing with Jerry Cantrell and they now have a given

1358
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:40,760
gig in Mexico, so he wasn't able to make it.

1359
01:16:41,159 --> 01:16:44,079
But I'm actually poaching, shall I say. And I've played

1360
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:46,600
with him before and done a full set of kiss music.

1361
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:49,720
Joe McGinnis, the guy who plays guitar actually with Chris,

1362
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:54,880
who's really excellent, and he did play at another show

1363
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:58,159
with me in Florida when I played with Joey Cassada

1364
01:16:58,199 --> 01:16:59,920
and we did an entire and Todd Currents and we

1365
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:03,359
did an entire show of a live three and Joe

1366
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,319
has been the you know he can play the bass

1367
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:09,439
and sing. Did you know that Joe McGinnis was part

1368
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,560
of that? There was this record that came out of

1369
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:18,880
all originals that was called something seventy eight.

1370
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 3: Re Yeah classic seventy eight.

1371
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,359
Speaker 4: Seven Yeah Classics seventy eight. And I knew Joe a

1372
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,399
while before I even knew that he was one of

1373
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:30,319
the principles of that writing and singing. And it was interesting.

1374
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,720
Joe much like my guys. Meaning when I say my guys,

1375
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,760
I mean Todd and Zach. They could sing either Paul

1376
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,920
or Jean, you know what I mean. Certainly I prefer

1377
01:17:40,039 --> 01:17:43,560
when Zach sings Gene and Joe doesn't fine Gene, and

1378
01:17:44,319 --> 01:17:47,199
I don't want to overttax anybody with the vocals, so

1379
01:17:47,279 --> 01:17:50,920
that's why you split it up. Todd being like always

1380
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,039
such a brilliant artist, and that's why he works so

1381
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:56,960
all the time. Ye prod Kurns is just an incredible

1382
01:17:57,039 --> 01:18:01,159
front man and musician, and and Brent is just a

1383
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:04,800
tremendous drummer and a super musician who could play any instrument,

1384
01:18:05,119 --> 01:18:08,720
so he always knows everything anyway, So anyone who see

1385
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:10,479
me on the cruise, and there was another cruise that

1386
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:13,199
Zach had to be somewhere else that I brought in

1387
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:17,680
a guy from from Canada that Brent knew, This guy Chaz,

1388
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:21,439
who did a great job too. So the important thing

1389
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,239
is I hire whoever can play with me when I'm

1390
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:26,560
missing one of my A team, as I like to

1391
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:29,880
call it, who is willing to put the time and

1392
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:33,520
the effort. And there is no bigger kiss fan than Joe,

1393
01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:37,760
even though he's also an incredible country ours, you.

1394
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,199
Speaker 3: Know, and and he's very he's very jealous in my

1395
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:43,680
eighties Ace Jacket, I didn't.

1396
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,239
Speaker 4: Know you knew him, and you know I hooked him

1397
01:18:45,279 --> 01:18:48,720
up with ESP guitars. I mean, first of all, he

1398
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,319
plays me incredible in Chris's band, and I get a

1399
01:18:53,399 --> 01:18:57,000
kick out of that because he's actually he's way younger

1400
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,680
than me, so he can fire off some things that

1401
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:03,079
I'd rather not do at the age of seventy one. Okay,

1402
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,159
you know what's funny is baseball players retire. You're lucky

1403
01:19:07,159 --> 01:19:09,159
if you're playing in your forties, you know, in the

1404
01:19:09,239 --> 01:19:12,720
major leagues. But musicians have to play, you know, when

1405
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,439
they're on Social Security. Okay, yeah, makes no sense to me,

1406
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,520
you know. But but my point is Joe I knew

1407
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,199
that he's a credible country guy too, and I said

1408
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:25,279
to ESP, this guy can pick like the country guys

1409
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:27,319
and play me you know what I mean from Kiss,

1410
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,119
So you got to give it, you got to hook

1411
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:30,640
up on them. They love them and they know that.

1412
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,600
That's kind of cool to have an artist like that

1413
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:39,119
because usually esp IS is driven mostly by obviously there's

1414
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:41,359
the legacy guys like me and George Lynch and stuff

1415
01:19:41,399 --> 01:19:43,840
like that, but they're driven by the artists that are

1416
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:48,720
kind of darker, you know, heavy heavy metal stuff, you know,

1417
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:52,600
from around the world. So but I'm still, you know,

1418
01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:57,159
grateful that I'm still connected with them, which is awesome.

1419
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,000
I was just at their fiftieth anniversary party, and that's right,

1420
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:04,319
that's right to think I was with them now forty

1421
01:20:04,399 --> 01:20:07,000
years because Asylum is where I started playing their guitars

1422
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:12,319
and George was the president of esp was George's tech

1423
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:17,399
when Docin was opening for I mean with on Kiss tour,

1424
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,239
so imagine that, and then years later he became the president. Yeah.

1425
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,239
He's a dear friend of mine too, Matt, So yeah,

1426
01:20:24,319 --> 01:20:26,479
small world. That was really cool to see George there.

1427
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,199
I know when I posted the picture, not all the

1428
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:32,239
Kiss fans of Docin fans, but they should know that

1429
01:20:32,359 --> 01:20:36,640
connection that forty years from the Asylum tour, you know,

1430
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:37,319
that's crazy.

1431
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,039
Speaker 3: That's just wild man. Well, it's been a great run

1432
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:43,359
and I'm so happy that this album is finally people

1433
01:20:43,399 --> 01:20:45,560
are finally opening their eyes to it, and I want

1434
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,720
to help. I want to take some responsibility for that

1435
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,399
because I convinced Trunk, and then Trunk went to the

1436
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,840
airwaves and now everybody's loving Asylum and that's all because

1437
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:54,760
of me. So thank you.

1438
01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:59,079
Speaker 4: That's great. Yeah, I hate yeah, but that's great, and

1439
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:00,920
I do. I think it was important for us to

1440
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,800
talk about the product and the fortieth anniversary stuff, even

1441
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,000
though it came up a little while ago. If they don't,

1442
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,560
you know, follow kiss online, they may not see that

1443
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:13,119
that that cool stuff, you know, So anyone that's interested

1444
01:21:13,159 --> 01:21:15,199
in that, it's not that hard to find. You just

1445
01:21:15,239 --> 01:21:17,439
go to kissing Online. You dig through and you look

1446
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,720
for you know, music, and you click on that and

1447
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,680
you can find your own. And then if you've got

1448
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:24,159
to have the picture this, then you got to go

1449
01:21:24,199 --> 01:21:27,319
to eBay and you gotta pay a fortune exactly exactly.

1450
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,079
Speaker 3: You'll get soaked, Bruce as I'm hitting my ultro music.

1451
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,479
Where can they find you give all your give all?

1452
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:36,119
Speaker 2: Sure?

1453
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:40,279
Speaker 4: Well, I mean websites aren't as like vital as they

1454
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:43,319
used to be. But certainly Bruce Culick dot com shows

1455
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,199
uh it shows actually some of my social media feed too,

1456
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,119
you know. But Facebook, I have an official page and

1457
01:21:50,199 --> 01:21:53,000
a personal page. I generally post about the same stuff

1458
01:21:53,039 --> 01:21:55,840
on even one. But just look for Bruce Culick. It

1459
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:59,079
always has a blue check. Don't don't get fooled by

1460
01:21:59,079 --> 01:22:01,399
a scammer, you know what I mean. They're out there.

1461
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,560
Same thing with Twitter and Instagram. Not hard to find

1462
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,680
me all the links I'm on Google. And then my

1463
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,520
YouTube channel has a lot of content that I don't

1464
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,199
spend because I never monetize YouTube. It's not my thing

1465
01:22:15,359 --> 01:22:19,520
till I constantly be doing product I mean meaning content

1466
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:23,199
because the guys that do the content, you know, frequently

1467
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:26,760
you know they're running a living from YouTube, especially when

1468
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:30,399
you see that they have, you know, half a million

1469
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:34,359
subscribers or a million subscribers. I don't do that. I

1470
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,880
do it to connect with the fans. I do it

1471
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:39,479
to share my stuff. And this way is a little

1472
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,399
easier with the music and what I want to share

1473
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:45,640
and what I want to show, of course, but everything's

1474
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:48,479
you know, it's really easy to find all my content

1475
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:50,119
and then you can see the stuff that I do

1476
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:54,439
with my wife. Where I'm headed and obviously looking forward

1477
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:57,479
to seeing the fans in Las Vegas later this year.

1478
01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:01,039
And then if anyone, I know, you're getting this out

1479
01:23:02,199 --> 01:23:05,239
on the anniversary or one of the anniversaries of Asirgen,

1480
01:23:05,359 --> 01:23:07,960
So if you're anywhere near Florida, you can make your

1481
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,119
way there. The Fanboy event is going to be great

1482
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:13,640
three days down in Orlando, and that's at the end

1483
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:19,520
of this month, September. Okay, So, and I'm always active

1484
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:20,439
doing things, you know.

1485
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,479
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're out and about. And last question, who's

1486
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:25,239
playing drums for kiss at the thing whatever?

1487
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: And the honest answer is I don't know, and don't

1488
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,039
ask me why it may not be Eric. I say,

1489
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:34,920
may not be Eric, because I'm always like a hail Mary,

1490
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,640
you know, like last minute that that things worked out.

1491
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:40,720
But even I don't know the answer to that. And

1492
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:46,560
it's unfortunate, but I know that. Ah, it's a big

1493
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,720
question on everyone's mind and unfortunately even I don't have

1494
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:53,640
the answer to it. I know Doc McGee gave some

1495
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,640
answer that didn't make any sense on some interview. I'd

1496
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,520
love to hear somebody ask Gean and Paul, but I

1497
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,000
don't know. What can I say? And everyone knows and

1498
01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:05,720
I love Eric and I would protect him, uh, one

1499
01:24:06,039 --> 01:24:08,640
one million percent if he did tell me something. But

1500
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,000
I can tell you right now, I don't know. And

1501
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:15,960
he's he he's smart with his behavior that way. You know. Absolutely,

1502
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:19,880
he's personal to him and it's his business. And he

1503
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,720
knows I'm too close to everything, you know what I

1504
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,880
mean anyway, and and he knows that. I'm like, I

1505
01:24:25,319 --> 01:24:27,560
just want I hope you can work it out whatever

1506
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:30,079
is to hold up. But if anyone thinks that, like,

1507
01:24:30,399 --> 01:24:34,640
oh my god, you know he is not well or something.

1508
01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:35,880
You know, you see you saw him.

1509
01:24:36,119 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 3: I saw him last night.

1510
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 4: Ye, he's fine and we keep in touch and I

1511
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,720
hope it gets worked out. That's all I mean. Another

1512
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:46,880
question could be easily be where's as Where's Peter?

1513
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, I mean Doc was very uh when when

1514
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,039
they asked him about that on Show It Out loudcast,

1515
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:57,720
he was He made it like he made it sound

1516
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,439
like he wasn't going to give an answer, but he

1517
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,159
gave an answ certain he goes And you didn't hear

1518
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:05,119
that from me? Yeah, I mean, who knows you.

1519
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:11,039
Speaker 4: Well either way, no matter what happens. Everybody that is participating,

1520
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:15,880
participating will absolutely want to make this memorable experience for

1521
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:19,039
the Kiss, you know, and let's let's I'm looking forward.

1522
01:25:19,119 --> 01:25:23,199
You know, they were. They were like a wild tribe

1523
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,760
in the sense that bands, you know, and as as

1524
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:31,279
they merge together like some uh you know sci fi

1525
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,079
board group of people you know that are interconnected in

1526
01:25:35,159 --> 01:25:39,800
all these ways. You know, Well, we'll celebrate Kiss, which

1527
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,880
which always should be celebrated because it's just such an

1528
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,079
incredible catalog and and entertaining band.

1529
01:25:46,199 --> 01:25:50,039
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just I agree, Bruce. Thanks you to

1530
01:25:50,159 --> 01:25:53,319
be part of history, you know that, absolutely, dude, thank

1531
01:25:53,359 --> 01:25:54,920
you so much for doing this and taking it.

1532
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:57,279
Speaker 4: Anybody want an asylum scarf, reach out to me. No,

1533
01:25:57,359 --> 01:25:59,600
I love this, I love it, sleep with it, sleep

1534
01:25:59,640 --> 01:25:59,760
with it.

1535
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 3: I love it? All right, Ladies and gentlemen, hit up

1536
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,159
ruf acubitty, can you can find me hold on and said,

1537
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:09,600
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1538
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,199
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1539
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:14,399
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1542
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:22,039
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1543
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:25,479
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1544
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:28,000
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1545
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:28,199
to that.