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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome to Game Spot Off the Dark, episode

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and five. Baby, I'm your host, I say,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am joined as always by the fantastic threesome

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<v Speaker 1>that is Jean Lucsi. Hi, Hi, Yes, I said, threesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Get over it, sandwich. The meat of that threesome is

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Remee.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I feel about being in this position.

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<v Speaker 2>Ball right, I'll take it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the final the bottom, the bottom bun has been toasted.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael him the pe stands for peanut in his name.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, bombs up?

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<v Speaker 1>Baby? How you doing? Everyone? Everyone good? Everyone chill, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>get him getting nutting heads. I'm getting some smiles. Oh, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael through and I don't know in there. Just to

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<v Speaker 1>mix things up a bit, let's kick off as usual

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<v Speaker 1>with the what We've been playing section of the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which has got some real cool things in there. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start with Michael because he's got ship. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>two things which are the same, but one thing which

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<v Speaker 1>is the same but different, which is intriguing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, both of them but different this time. So last

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<v Speaker 3>week I talked about what am I trying to say?

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<v Speaker 3>I started playing Pokemon Unite and I was. I was

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of matches in at that time. I had

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<v Speaker 3>played the night before, but I am deep in Pokemon Unite. Dog,

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you know what I'm saying, Oh man,

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<v Speaker 3>you were on a CAVEGD. I was gonna say, kvegd's nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pokemon, you know, Pokemon Unite. I'm getting Yo, I've

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<v Speaker 3>I remember what it's like to be toxic. No, well

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing I'm doing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel the toxicity in my veins. Bro, Like, damn, Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember what it's like to play a competitive counter show.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you feeling system of a down? Bad for that toxicity?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the toxicity of the city.

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<v Speaker 1>Yo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's fun though, like I'm having a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of like what I'm doing well or the match is close,

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm having a lot of fun. But there's like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like the I don't like feeling. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like getting angry, like at at people playing a game

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like, ah, you know what if there's like

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<v Speaker 3>some ten year old kid who just downloaded the game

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<v Speaker 3>because it's free and like, oh cool Pokemon. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what the fuck is a moba or like when

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<v Speaker 3>people are AFK, like, oh damn, they're in and it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably down bad like, but I'm just like pissed. I'm like, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>there's three at the bottom lane and I'm by myself

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<v Speaker 3>and y'all, motherfuck is chilling back at base? What are

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<v Speaker 3>y'all doing? Of course there's a voice chat, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a good thing. It's a good thing. You don't really

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing really to say. It's like, oh, okay, top lane.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I see on the map that you're getting attacked

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom lane. Maybe you need support. I'll go there.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's I don't know. There's something about polemon Unite

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<v Speaker 3>that's very enticing. I think it's just like the the

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<v Speaker 3>just the theming of Pokemon, just like this grand kind

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<v Speaker 3>of production value of like, yo, you're a trainer in

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<v Speaker 3>this big ass stadium and everyone's got their bogmon and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But mechanically it's last last week, I said, I wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>sure if it was gonna get that deep, and like

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's not, but I don't think it has to be. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's like I said, easy ten minute matches, you

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<v Speaker 3>jump in. That's really important. I think for the approachability

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<v Speaker 3>of the game, so I don't have to like fucking

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<v Speaker 3>do a forty minute Dota match to get something out

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<v Speaker 3>of it. And there's quick matt five minute quake matches,

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<v Speaker 3>which I enjoy a lot, low stakes and ranked. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like great Class three, which is like the second above beginners,

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<v Speaker 3>so having some success, having some fun, enjoying it, playing

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<v Speaker 3>with my girlfriend a lot. I don't know if they

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<v Speaker 3>they got me, man. I've stepped away from competitive games,

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<v Speaker 3>like like I said, because I don't like the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of being pissed off at a game and other people

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<v Speaker 3>like I don't know, I don't want that much. Like

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<v Speaker 3>the only thing I played is Final Fantasy fourteen because like,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to do PvP, and even the PvP

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<v Speaker 3>stuff is just like I'm here to get my rewards.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter if I win or lose because the

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<v Speaker 3>stakes are like super super low for that. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>probably my night's cool. I spend money on that ship.

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<v Speaker 3>God damn it about the battle Pass.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, oh my god, he's spending money of a grind.

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<v Speaker 2>I spent a grind.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Last time I spent money on like on a free

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<v Speaker 3>to play game was Apex for Battle Pass which Jordan's

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<v Speaker 3>talk about later.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can't wait to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>Hear Jordans how about Apex, Jordan and Apex Like that's

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<v Speaker 3>that's a that's peanut butter and jelly right there. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I've been playing on Unite. You know, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>it is, File Fast fourteen. The thing is, every time

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<v Speaker 3>I talk about File Fanacy fourteen, there's something new. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>playing the same game, but there's always something new to

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<v Speaker 3>talk about. Like I've been, I've been expanding my horizons

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<v Speaker 3>in terms of trying out different content and File Fast

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen because there's so much shit. So I've been spending

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time in the Gold Saucer, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been playing, uh, playing some hoops, playing the Strength test,

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<v Speaker 3>your strength hammer hammer thing, getting some getting some Gold

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<v Speaker 3>Saucer tickets, buying some cool items. There's a Make It

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<v Speaker 3>Rain campaign which is happening right now, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>cool side quest where you have to investigate someone fucking

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<v Speaker 3>jacked a valuable item. Someone snatched up a valuable item

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<v Speaker 3>from the Golden Saucer and I have to find out

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<v Speaker 3>who the fuck it was. And it's kind of cool

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<v Speaker 3>because you have to talk to NPCs without any quest markers.

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<v Speaker 3>So and then you have to like, oh okay, like

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<v Speaker 3>what actually happened? Go talk to this NPC now and

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<v Speaker 3>piece together the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It's easy. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Big time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, cross over the phantom. These like stole

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of shit from the Golden Saucer. It turns

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<v Speaker 3>out that people own the gold Saucer a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>fucking capitalists, which is yeah, which is probably true. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>like the only the only person who would think of

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<v Speaker 3>building Golden Saucer is probably a wild like dickhead.

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<v Speaker 4>So but I enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 3>I like Cold Saucer. The tunes are playing and the

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<v Speaker 3>caccars are everywhere serving me drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>And also what else have I've been doing in that?

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<v Speaker 2>And uh?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm playing different classes, Like I said, I think last

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<v Speaker 3>week I was talking about like playing Tank and Healer

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<v Speaker 3>a lot more. I've been playing Healer. But playing Tank

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<v Speaker 3>is a big responsibility. I get nervous every time I

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<v Speaker 3>go into a uh, every time I matchmake for a dungeon.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always like my first thing I always say is howdy, partners,

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<v Speaker 3>to set the vibes. You know, I set the vibes

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<v Speaker 3>always howdy partners, Howdy partners. But then when I'm tanking,

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<v Speaker 3>like new tank here, my bad give me some listen,

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<v Speaker 3>Like Ben still needs to show me the ways, but

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<v Speaker 3>like I just tell me, you know, new tank here

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<v Speaker 3>might be I like, you know, he set the bar

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<v Speaker 3>reil low. So then when everything goes well, like oh

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<v Speaker 3>hey you know player accommodation, Yo, you did it.

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<v Speaker 1>You did pretty all right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>If I busted in and there were like, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>got this ship, I does this, and then I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>why you why you pulled? You pulled too many too

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<v Speaker 3>many money? Yeah, it's uh yeah, there's there's so much

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<v Speaker 3>more in Fan Fantasy fourteen I wanted to get into.

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<v Speaker 3>But god damn man, what a what a what a beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>wonderful game. What else I've been doing? There's something else

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<v Speaker 3>I've been doing in that game. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 3>get like fucking I get like shmacked, and I'd walk

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<v Speaker 3>around like the city towns for ten minutes and I

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<v Speaker 3>think like two hours passed by and I'm doing shit. Oh, fishing,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I've been doing. I've been fishing. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>got welshmacked and I just like go, fishing fishing is

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<v Speaker 3>so fucking cool because like Ben was the one who

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<v Speaker 3>told me about fishing raids in this game. So fishing fishing, well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's yeah. It was like no, it's like no, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's dope. It's pretty chill though it's not like

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<v Speaker 3>it's not like, oh I gotta like calculate all these

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<v Speaker 3>moves or whatever. But it's like you go on like

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty four player of Fishing Trip and I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's like a thirty like it's a thirty minute instance

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to I think you're split into teams

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<v Speaker 3>of eight, like just like you would do like a

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<v Speaker 3>like a typical raid.

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<v Speaker 1>Before he's gonna say fishing trip, well, that's you take.

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<v Speaker 3>Like a big ass boat out to see and it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it's like a closed off instance, and like there's

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<v Speaker 3>like you have to every time you catch fish. It's

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<v Speaker 3>like you add points. So and the way fishing works,

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<v Speaker 3>you have to use a certain to catch certain fish.

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<v Speaker 3>You need a certain bait, and you need to use

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<v Speaker 3>certain skills like okay, this is how this is the

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<v Speaker 3>hook ability I'm gonna use and this is like the

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<v Speaker 3>the other ability to catch the fish I'm gonna use

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<v Speaker 3>So that kind of determines whether or not you can

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<v Speaker 3>catch like the biggest fish. So there's there's some level

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<v Speaker 3>of skill and strategy to it. But for me, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like pretty low level. So I'm just like b I'll

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<v Speaker 3>get whatever I get. I don't give a fuck, and

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<v Speaker 3>you just like level up hella fast. And there's a

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<v Speaker 3>whole quest line for a fishing It's kind of cute.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, oh, you have to go to this area,

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<v Speaker 3>use this bait to catch this fish delivered to this person.

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<v Speaker 3>You get new items also shiit so fishing and gold

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<v Speaker 3>Saucer Boy fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought you were going to say, like, you go

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<v Speaker 1>out with all those people and you catch have you

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<v Speaker 1>even seen one piece where they fish anything in one piece?

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, oh yeah, it's just normal fishing rod and

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<v Speaker 1>then they fish out fish the size of like a planet,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's always like that. I bet you they've got

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<v Speaker 1>like massive fishes, but it's it just normal sized fishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, normal sized fishes. There's the instances like if you

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<v Speaker 3>go on the fishing raid, there's this is where like

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<v Speaker 3>the whole scene turns into like or Borealist or some shit,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, yo, you got three minutes to catch

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<v Speaker 3>like five starfish. Go and it's like oh, everyone's just

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<v Speaker 3>like tripping, like oh yeah, yeah, I got out of

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<v Speaker 3>the biggest bait. I got it, Like oh my god,

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<v Speaker 3>the five starfish got away, like oh, make sure you

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<v Speaker 3>get it. It's it's a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved this. Can't believe, he said repeatedly, fishing raid.

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<v Speaker 1>What the world do we live in? I logged into

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<v Speaker 1>Final Fancy yesterday. Actually it was it was an emotional moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I locked in and it was like there's a cue

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<v Speaker 4>Out figured out all your account?

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<v Speaker 1>Shiit with that. I So the reason I logged in

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<v Speaker 1>was because I wanted to try and figure out which

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<v Speaker 1>Tucky's fuegos I have access to here and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>tell if I got my my UK one or my

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<v Speaker 1>US one. It's weird. So I think I've got my

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<v Speaker 1>my my UK Tuckies fuegos was like level thirty something.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, I'm just I'm just stuck in around Reborn forever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my that's my punishment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not that's that's no way to live.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what is a way to live is

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<v Speaker 1>playing your favorite game. In this newest season, Jordan tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about Apex Legend season ten.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, my, Apex Legend Season ten is Apexx back, baby.

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<v Speaker 5>This is like the best season that they've had in

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<v Speaker 5>a really really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Like season nine was all right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we can all agree that the best part

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<v Speaker 5>Eeschy to voice Valkyrie, and they are like one of

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<v Speaker 5>great gift, and they basically sold this season. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 5>sure I only played season nine because I'm like, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just gonna pick Valkyrie again so I can listen to

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<v Speaker 5>all these dope ass lines. Season ten, though, World's Edge

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<v Speaker 5>is my favorite map in that game, and they've made huge,

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<v Speaker 5>massive changes to it, like train Yard is gone. I

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<v Speaker 5>realized that this will meet like nothing to people who

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<v Speaker 5>haven't played Apex. The giant sorting factory in the middle

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<v Speaker 5>of the map is gone. It just like sunk into

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<v Speaker 5>a sinkhole. Like they're going hard on the whole. Like, yo,

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<v Speaker 5>this big corporation that runs the games is like on

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<v Speaker 5>the side like mining this planet, and they're like trying

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<v Speaker 5>to hide it by being like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, people are still playing a battle royale here.

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<v Speaker 5>Like everything's safe, and like Bloodhound is like, yo, your

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<v Speaker 5>mining natural resources faster than they can replenish.

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<v Speaker 2>This shit is blood.

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<v Speaker 5>All these banners that are like yo, fuck Hammon into

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<v Speaker 5>like free our planet from the corporations, and I'm like, yo.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so do yo Apex okay, I see y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh And there we have a we have a love

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<v Speaker 5>triangle going on between Valkyrie, Bangalore and uh Loba because

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<v Speaker 5>Loba heard that Bangalore just called her a friend in

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<v Speaker 5>the last season.

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<v Speaker 2>So with Valkyrie to kind of.

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<v Speaker 5>Like get anime love triangle bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that that they basically turned Apex Legends narrative

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<v Speaker 1>into like or in high school club and like, h what.

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<v Speaker 2>Else is going on? Oh see her obviously is there.

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<v Speaker 5>And like despite having this like cool ass voice like Javic,

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<v Speaker 5>he is just this incredible dork that like loves talking

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<v Speaker 5>about like the beauty of the world and like your

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<v Speaker 2>And stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So when he's jump Master, he'll be he'll be like

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<v Speaker 5>uh oh I'm jump master. Wherever I land, it will

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<v Speaker 5>sure to be beautiful. And then he'll point out a

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<v Speaker 5>spot and it's like this spot right here, it's elegant,

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<v Speaker 5>and they'll like jump from the ship and it's like

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<v Speaker 5>break a leg, my friends, and they'll pause me, be

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<v Speaker 5>like metaphorically, and they'll be like, be sure to bend

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, this, dude's such a door.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I love it so.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, awesome map. New character is great.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably a little bit too strong right now. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>agree with everyone saying that, like, oh, he's way too overpowered.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he's just a little bit too strong. We'd

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<v Speaker 5>be increase the cool down of his ultimate ability of

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit more and he'll be in a much

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<v Speaker 5>better place, make it easier to dodge his tactical ability.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh yeah, dope character. Awesome new map.

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<v Speaker 5>The stories going in wild directions between the love triangle

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<v Speaker 5>and the fight capitalism.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff that's going on.

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<v Speaker 5>Haven't tried ranked arenas, but eager to get into that

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<v Speaker 5>at some point, just to really how the see what

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<v Speaker 5>that's like. When I'm actually going up against peoplehere, it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 5>everyone on my team is doing this to be sweaty,

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<v Speaker 5>and everyone on the other team is doing this to

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<v Speaker 5>be sweaty.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like to be.

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<v Speaker 5>Yah.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that terminology for trying hard? Yeah, yeah, I've never

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't really heard that before, but I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think context that, I think I know what that means.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, really, I think it's fairly new in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of coming into popularity as as as far as like

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<v Speaker 1>words go. But yeah, there are some I like, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be I mean, like, I play a lot of Valorant

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<v Speaker 1>and I tell you that it's water that community is

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<v Speaker 1>water wolf sweaty.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pokemon Yo, Pokemon, I think I might be the

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<v Speaker 3>only one who in Pokemon Unite who's sweaty.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like you're the sweaty player in Pokemon.

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<v Speaker 1>N this is what you want to There's an amazing

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<v Speaker 1>TikTok of a Pokemon you know, for Pokemon Unit. Where

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<v Speaker 1>is this man and he's like playing Pokemon Unite. He's

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<v Speaker 1>like screaming, Yo, what the fuck is that guy doing

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<v Speaker 1>in the top lane? What is he doing the top plane?

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't he And then it cuts to the other

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<v Speaker 1>player and it's just a kid game. I like Pokemon.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying like that's probably how it's going that so I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to be mad about that. Apex sounds

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<v Speaker 3>so dope though, Like I mean obviously like that was

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<v Speaker 3>that was That's been my shooter for a while, but

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<v Speaker 3>I dipped out around like season five ish, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>but damn, that's that's really good to hear Man's.

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<v Speaker 2>Wanting to play.

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<v Speaker 5>I think they just bragged that like they made like

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<v Speaker 5>a billion dollars in the last quarter and like most

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<v Speaker 5>of by.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they're like we got ten, we got ten acquisitions.

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<v Speaker 3>None of them tanked, but we got one one, we

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<v Speaker 3>got one, Like we're not bad acquisitions.

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<v Speaker 5>Look at Reese, I'm like, cool, you're like one for ten,

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<v Speaker 5>great job, hey, but that that one is it?

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<v Speaker 1>And dog like damn, like uh look, even playing the

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<v Speaker 1>back for blood Paine, is that hitting.

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<v Speaker 4>It is hitten? Uh dude. I did not realize how

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<v Speaker 4>much I missed like Left for Dead, Like holy shit,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I played so much of that in like high

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<v Speaker 4>school with my friends, and I was like, it's been

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<v Speaker 4>like ten over ten years at this point, I want

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<v Speaker 4>to say, like ten years since Left for Dead two, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that was like twenty It was like two thousand and

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<v Speaker 4>nine or something like that. I mean, they like supported

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<v Speaker 4>that game for a while, but like I am, I am,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm so into this game. I'm I'm feeling it.

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<v Speaker 4>We only got to check out the pv E because

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<v Speaker 4>the there's also a PvP mode, which is like the

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<v Speaker 4>big new thing they're adding in this, but it was

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<v Speaker 4>like we were having like server issues trying to connect,

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<v Speaker 4>so we were like, ask girl'll just play the PV

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<v Speaker 4>But I think the thing that I'm like really really

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<v Speaker 4>digging about it is like all the little stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>they're adding to this that like Left for Dead didn't have,

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<v Speaker 4>So like the card system is like actually pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's one of those things that you look at

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<v Speaker 4>and you're like, I don't want to build a fucking

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<v Speaker 4>deck of cards or whatever, but like but you don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to because they just give you like default stuff

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<v Speaker 4>and you can put it in and all the cards

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<v Speaker 4>really do is it just means like at the beginning

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<v Speaker 4>of every round, they randomly pull like a card from

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<v Speaker 4>your deck and give it to you and they're like here,

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<v Speaker 4>here's like a selection of like bonuses that you get

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<v Speaker 4>that can like you know, boost you and.

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<v Speaker 5>Very curious to see what that process is like like

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<v Speaker 5>hours into the game, like we played it for like

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<v Speaker 5>two hours, but like because all the cards keep stacking

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<v Speaker 5>on each other, so you keep getting more and more

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<v Speaker 5>positive and negative effects and something like so what's it

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<v Speaker 5>like when you're like ten hours into that game and

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<v Speaker 5>you have way more cards than before?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, me too, or like can you do specific bills

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<v Speaker 4>because in the in the default cards, they're like, this

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<v Speaker 4>is like a medic deck, And I'm like, can you

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<v Speaker 4>actually like properly like build I don't like a class,

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<v Speaker 4>but I guess like, oh, my character has more like yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>medical based perks on and like I'm yeah, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you. I'm curious how that like plays.

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<v Speaker 5>A guy that Mattinelli's gonna make someone right in weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, Like and the cool thing is because like

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<v Speaker 4>the I think I think the setup where you can

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of keep playing, like you said, like you

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<v Speaker 4>beat a campaign and then you can in the beta

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<v Speaker 4>you just go to the next campaign immediately and then

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<v Speaker 4>it just keeps the stack going. And that also goes

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<v Speaker 4>to like the weapons, so like, uh, like looking back,

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<v Speaker 4>like a problem left for Dead is it's like once

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<v Speaker 4>you found like the weapon you liked, You're like, cool,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna stick with this for the rest of the

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<v Speaker 4>campaign and you're not gonna like really change that much. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>This is like, first off, there's like way more guns

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<v Speaker 4>in this game. There's like all sorts and there's a

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<v Speaker 4>ton of different like attachments and stuff that can like

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<v Speaker 4>kind of significantly change like the stats on the guns.

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<v Speaker 4>But as you're going you'll also get like different rarities

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<v Speaker 4>of those guns that you find, and you want to

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<v Speaker 4>keep increasing that because the difficulty is constantly increasing as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So like you're it kind of is like forcing you

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<v Speaker 4>to like eventually like trade trade out your gun and

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<v Speaker 4>be like, Okay, well I should probably I've had this

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<v Speaker 4>sniper for like four acts and it's hell a week

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<v Speaker 4>now and I should As much as I love it,

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<v Speaker 4>I should probably trade it out. But I mean it's

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<v Speaker 4>just fucking left for dead, like I've said, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like that's that's all it needs to be, all it

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<v Speaker 4>needs to be, and and it is like exactly left

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<v Speaker 4>for dead, Like you know, they have all the there's

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<v Speaker 4>way more voice lines now with the characters, so like

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<v Speaker 4>they have like all that like ambient dialogu where like

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<v Speaker 4>the different characters aren't acting each other. Who who was

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<v Speaker 4>the character that Ben was playing? Hoffman meant Hoffman. Hoffman

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<v Speaker 4>was so so first off, Ben kept accidentally shooting everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh it was like the only one. But it's just

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<v Speaker 4>immediately all the other characters will just yell at the characters.

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<v Speaker 4>So like every five minutes, someone would just yell Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 4>what the fuck, like, don't do that, and he'd be like, ah, shit,

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<v Speaker 4>my bad. This is just this narrative of everyone just

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<v Speaker 4>hates Hoffman. Also, Hoffman's like a weird conspiracy theorist.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh hell yeah, boy, kind of love those characters.

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<v Speaker 4>They were like.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Jones in batt Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He's voiced by uh, the guy who played doc oc

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<v Speaker 4>in a Marvel spider Man. So he just sounds just

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<v Speaker 4>like that, and he's like like they're like he's like

420
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<v Speaker 4>talking about how like area fifty one is like a

421
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<v Speaker 4>government conspiracy to keep people from paying attention to areas

422
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<v Speaker 4>one through fifty like dumb shit like that, and you're

423
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<v Speaker 4>like like, ah yeah, Like I miss like this fun

424
00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.839
<v Speaker 4>like ambient dialogue between all the characters. Like that was

425
00:20:49.839 --> 00:20:51.680
<v Speaker 4>something I really loved about Lefford Dead too, Like you know,

426
00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:54.279
<v Speaker 4>characters like Coach and Nick like and you know, like

427
00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:57.000
<v Speaker 4>the dumb kind of like bullshit that came out of that.

428
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<v Speaker 4>Like so it's it has all of that charm there.

429
00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.359
<v Speaker 1>That is what I was gonna ask, Like, how how charming?

430
00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:07.759
<v Speaker 1>How memorable is it? Because to this day, anytime I'm

431
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<v Speaker 1>in a pharmacy, I will shout pills here, like to

432
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<v Speaker 1>any if anyone's around, I'm like, pills here, pills there.

433
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I don't know that it's gonna go

434
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<v Speaker 4>that level because it is like the same thing, but

435
00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:22.720
<v Speaker 4>like you can tell they had to, Like I mean,

436
00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:24.640
<v Speaker 4>there are pills in that game, but no one shouts

437
00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:28.279
<v Speaker 4>pills here because they're like, ah, we probably can't exactly

438
00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:31.559
<v Speaker 4>shout that, or like you know, they have like a

439
00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:35.359
<v Speaker 4>boomer equivalent, but they're called something else. I don't even remember.

440
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:36.839
<v Speaker 4>I just called them all by their Left for Dead

441
00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.160
<v Speaker 4>names and that's as.

442
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.279
<v Speaker 5>Which it'll be interesting to see like how quotable this

443
00:21:43.359 --> 00:21:45.799
<v Speaker 5>game is because I think Left for Dead benefit from

444
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<v Speaker 5>the fact that, like it's the same for people, that's true,

445
00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.319
<v Speaker 5>Like they build like a camaraderie like this is eight people.

446
00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:57.279
<v Speaker 5>Then you form a squad of four from that eight mm.

447
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<v Speaker 5>So it's like, will some characters be more popular than others?

448
00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.279
<v Speaker 5>Will there be like this one character that no one

449
00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:05.559
<v Speaker 5>really plays as and they just happen to have like

450
00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.799
<v Speaker 5>some really funny one liners.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Interesting to see how that comes out.

452
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would also love to see because we only

453
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<v Speaker 4>saw the two campaigns and they're they're good, But I

454
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<v Speaker 4>would say the environments remind me more of Left for

455
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.519
<v Speaker 4>Dead one, where they they're trying to be like very

456
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.559
<v Speaker 4>like realistic and like, okay, you know, like all right,

457
00:22:26.599 --> 00:22:30.440
<v Speaker 4>we're going through this forest area and now there's a

458
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<v Speaker 4>church and all now there's like a farmland and it's good.

459
00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.279
<v Speaker 4>But like I really love when like Left for Dead

460
00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 4>two got weird with it and they were like all right,

461
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:38.880
<v Speaker 4>we're like in the mall or like we're in this

462
00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:43.079
<v Speaker 4>like uh carnival. Like Left for Dead two, I thought,

463
00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.000
<v Speaker 4>really started to get weird with the environments in a

464
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<v Speaker 4>way that I haven't quite seen for this one. And

465
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<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of hoping they like eventually do maybe in

466
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<v Speaker 4>like further updates or something like that. But I mean

467
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<v Speaker 4>it's yeah, like I said, it's just it's Left for Dead.

468
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<v Speaker 4>It's just it's just left for Dead and I'm I

469
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<v Speaker 4>could not be more happy that there is like a

470
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<v Speaker 4>new Left for Dead style game in twenty twenty one

471
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:06.759
<v Speaker 4>because I missed that shit.

472
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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to see it. I'm excited to play it.

473
00:23:08.880 --> 00:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>The open beta is happening soon, right.

474
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so this weekend, as the time of this episode released,

475
00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:21.640
<v Speaker 4>it is open. There's a early access closed beta, So

476
00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:24.079
<v Speaker 4>either you have access to it if you pre ordered,

477
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.440
<v Speaker 4>or I think if you signed up for their uh

478
00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:29.000
<v Speaker 4>signed up for early access on their website and you

479
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 4>got in, then you have access to it. I don't

480
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<v Speaker 4>one hundred percent quote me, but I think if you

481
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<v Speaker 4>had access to the previous Coast alpha you have access

482
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.599
<v Speaker 4>to this. But I'm not one hundred percent sure. But

483
00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.000
<v Speaker 4>next weekend on the twelfth to the sixteenth, it's open

484
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<v Speaker 4>for everyone.

485
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<v Speaker 1>Heh. Yeah, and I checked out for sure. I have

486
00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:53.880
<v Speaker 1>been playing a little game called The Outer Wilds and

487
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah.

488
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah it is. Streams are fantastic.

489
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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, I've been streaming

490
00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.920
<v Speaker 1>on a Twitch show tape for a sessional h and watch.

491
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:07.359
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's been it's been really really fun to

492
00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:09.839
<v Speaker 1>play that game. I don't know if I mentioned this

493
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:14.319
<v Speaker 1>before or who I was talking to. But I've it's

494
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:19.039
<v Speaker 1>been a kind of reprogramming experience for me in that

495
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:23.599
<v Speaker 1>the last few years we've had this very specific kind

496
00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 1>of game design and this is probably all takes that

497
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 1>someone has had had the year it came out and

498
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.400
<v Speaker 1>probably sounded intelligent back then, and right now it's just

499
00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:34.640
<v Speaker 1>me because I'm playing the game years later. So everyone's

500
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:36.319
<v Speaker 1>just going to be like, yes, we've been through this,

501
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:39.799
<v Speaker 1>but like, we've had this kind of like game design

502
00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:42.599
<v Speaker 1>where you know, games want you to see everything and

503
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.319
<v Speaker 1>they want you they're constantly funneling you from one thing

504
00:24:45.319 --> 00:24:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to the other and over burdening you with too much information,

505
00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of has this impact on your sensibilities

506
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.599
<v Speaker 1>as someone that plays games right, you start to expect it,

507
00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and you also start to you behave in certain way,

508
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Like I find myself more able to disengage with games

509
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 1>like that because I'm playing something like an Assassin's Creed

510
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>where it's like here's the trail, here's all the information,

511
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>here's all the numbers, here's the location on this map.

512
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:14.880
<v Speaker 1>You can go to this level of the map. I'm like,

513
00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't have to look, I don't have to pay

514
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:18.599
<v Speaker 1>attention to any of this shit. I'm gonna pull out

515
00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:20.839
<v Speaker 1>my phone. I'm gonna look at Twitter. I'm gonna see

516
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.519
<v Speaker 1>what's going on and like, you know, WhatsApp for a bit,

517
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.319
<v Speaker 1>because when I come back, I don't have to listen

518
00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>to these characters. They're gonna surface every bit of information

519
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 1>I need to know in various menus and UI. So

520
00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I find these days with those games, I'm able to

521
00:25:35.640 --> 00:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>disengage more or I'm like it happens way more whether

522
00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:40.799
<v Speaker 1>I want it to happen or not, whereas this game,

523
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:44.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like the polar opposite way tells you nothing, like

524
00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>literally nothing, and it is like go into space and

525
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>just figure that shit out. And because of it, I'm

526
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:56.799
<v Speaker 1>like laser focus on every minute detail and it's kind

527
00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.720
<v Speaker 1>of it's like retraining your attention span. It feels like

528
00:26:01.440 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>where I need to and I'm like playing it to

529
00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the point where it can be difficult to monitor chat

530
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.079
<v Speaker 1>on my streams at the same time because I'm so

531
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>focused on what's going on. Whether it's like flying the ship,

532
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:16.000
<v Speaker 1>which is one treacherous too very very difficult and it

533
00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.519
<v Speaker 1>requires like constant finessing, or it's something as simple as

534
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like just plot, puzzle platforming, or reading a bit of text.

535
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>The text is it's a very sharply written game and

536
00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 1>full of like really called law and background and exposition.

537
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.599
<v Speaker 1>But it also is like it feels like I are

538
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:35.839
<v Speaker 1>equated to and people who know the reference or like

539
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the touch point will not. It feels like listening to

540
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:43.119
<v Speaker 1>a Lupe Fiasco album where like his he whereas everyone

541
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>else's rap lyrics are just like the most cookie cut

542
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of bullshit, you don't even have to pay attention to it.

543
00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>We listened to a Lupe Fiasco or Kendrick Lamar, you

544
00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 1>have to like hear the line, think about it, unpack it,

545
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 1>and then like listen to it again to realize, oh,

546
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>this is what it means. And that's what every bit

547
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of text in that game is. Like. It's like, oh

548
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>and the norm I did this, this and this and this,

549
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:07.079
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, okay, but I think I've seen that

550
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:10.319
<v Speaker 1>word somewhere before. It could relate to this planet, and

551
00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like mental note taking and digesting everything. And because

552
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.559
<v Speaker 1>of that, it's like creates this like absorption effect in

553
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the game where like I play it and I'm like

554
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:24.839
<v Speaker 1>four hours just vanishes and it's just unbelievable and obviously

555
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>some of the most creative shit I've ever seen happen

556
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:32.960
<v Speaker 1>in a video game. And like falling through spoilers, falling

557
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>through the black hole for the first time, like it

558
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>was genuinely like jaw dropping, like in my seat, like

559
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I was like, what the fuck just happened? And then

560
00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>falling through a second time and finding the white Lotus

561
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 1>station or whatever and realizing, oh shit, I can make

562
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>it to that and then use that to teleport me

563
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>back to Brittle Hollow. That was unbelievable. Like every revelation

564
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>is like it's that they've gained the fight epiphanies, and

565
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 1>it is unbelievable. Like that feeling of having an epiphany

566
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.759
<v Speaker 1>is every like few minutes in this game, and it's

567
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:11.599
<v Speaker 1>like it is truly one of the easily one of

568
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the best games I've ever experienced from a design perspective,

569
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Still not as good as SAC. I think we were

570
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 1>right in that week gave.

571
00:28:20.359 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Like where were you in twenty nineties?

572
00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:26.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean like I was now. Jane is like, yes, yes,

573
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 4>still I needed your support.

574
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>We made the right choice. That's all I'm saying. What

575
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:35.400
<v Speaker 1>was the other thing I was going to say, yeah, So,

576
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>like the way I've been playing it is like it's

577
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.319
<v Speaker 1>also it's I mean, like I know the kind of

578
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>gamer I am, but it's exposed the kind of gamer

579
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I am to people that are watching me on stream,

580
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 1>because like, I'm the kind of person where once a

581
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of a path of investigation happens, I I cannot

582
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>This is a game where everyone's like, hey, you don't

583
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>have to complete every planet. You can just you have

584
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to bounce from planet to planet and you know, come

585
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 1>back and draw connections and go back and forth to

586
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.599
<v Speaker 1>complete it. I cannot do that. I'm so I cannot

587
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.279
<v Speaker 1>do it if I'm like in a place, I need

588
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:13.799
<v Speaker 1>to exhaust everything in there, because then the idea that

589
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.079
<v Speaker 1>something exists over there that I haven't seen is like

590
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 1>it's like a version of fomo where it's like there

591
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:22.319
<v Speaker 1>could be something more. So I've played that game for

592
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.359
<v Speaker 1>maybe fifteen hours or something like that, and I just

593
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:28.119
<v Speaker 1>finished I think everything on Britain Hollow, which is the

594
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>first planet i'd let I went to immediately after leaving

595
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 1>the main planet. So I've just been on that one

596
00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:38.519
<v Speaker 1>planet constantly finding all this shit. I finally found the

597
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:43.680
<v Speaker 1>goddamn the Southern Laboratory, which there is a path to it,

598
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, I got don't know where that

599
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>path is. So I jammed my spaceship through the core

600
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.960
<v Speaker 1>of the planet and then jammed it into a tree

601
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and then like chopped out as it was falling into

602
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>the black hole and land on our platform and got

603
00:29:56.359 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 1>into to the thing I still need to I still

604
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>need to figure out fuck the black Forge station is for.

605
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's the thing that I'll have to

606
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out later on because I need knowledge from So

607
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 1>now I'm going to Giants Deep on my next stream.

608
00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 1>But incredible game, incredible music. I'm not sure if I'm

609
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 1>hurting or helping the experience by constantly playing big Shack

610
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>soundboards over it, but that's how I do on my stream.

611
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.880
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I'm in love with that game. It is

612
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.319
<v Speaker 1>very very good. And then another game quickly that I've

613
00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.400
<v Speaker 1>just started that I think is very very cool is

614
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 1>The Forgotten City.

615
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 2>So many people talking about.

616
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>It is really I'm very early, but immediately I was

617
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>super drawn in, and I think it's I was drawn

618
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:46.119
<v Speaker 1>in for a lot of the same reasons that I'm

619
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:51.359
<v Speaker 1>drawn into our walls, where it is so the story

620
00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:53.240
<v Speaker 1>behind this is it is a game that was created

621
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>by a very small team based on Skyrim, so they

622
00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:02.319
<v Speaker 1>use Skyrim modifications to create this very curt time loop story.

623
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>But because it was on Skyrim and they were like relatively,

624
00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they're using other people's tools, and I think they're like

625
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>a small team, it was buggy. And also it looked

626
00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 1>like Skyrim many after Skyrim, years after Skyrim was released,

627
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>which is like no shipping on Skyrim. When it came out,

628
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.119
<v Speaker 1>it looked amazing, but these days, like, yo, what is this?

629
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.759
<v Speaker 1>This looks like a rotted cracker, and like now they've

630
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>got a brand new engine, but like it still looks

631
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>like Skyrim, and it's presented like Skyrim in the same

632
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>way that you walk up to a character and you

633
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:34.359
<v Speaker 1>interact with them and it does, yeah, it does the

634
00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>zoom as they're turning towards you and you're like this

635
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 1>ship is Skyrim.

636
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Moving their mouth and like the rest of their face

637
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:45.279
<v Speaker 2>is just like so.

638
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. And the other thing is like you

639
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>pick up an object and you're like, this motherfucker is Skyrim.

640
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.799
<v Speaker 1>But and you know how I feel about Skyrim. No

641
00:31:54.799 --> 00:32:01.119
<v Speaker 1>more Skyrim, but but no, they have they have done

642
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 1>extra work to like like animate a bit better. So

643
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 1>they've done a lot of work in improving it visually.

644
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Beyond that, it's like extremely well written, like very very

645
00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 1>well written, to the point where again you have to

646
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>pay attention to everyone, like everyone so far that I've

647
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>encountered is it feels like a unique character. You know

648
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 1>how in Skyrim you go to like speak to eight

649
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>different people and six of them will tell you how

650
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 1>they've taken an hour to a knee and you're like,

651
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I see, yeah, this fucking shit works. It's not like that.

652
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 1>This feels like where everyone you're talking to has their

653
00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:34.960
<v Speaker 1>own backstory, their own unique kind of like perspectives so far,

654
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:36.759
<v Speaker 1>and very early in the game, maybe like one or

655
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>two hours, so that means that you have to really

656
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 1>and because you're solving a mystery. The mystery of it

657
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 1>is like it takes place in Rome. I think it's

658
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 1>many it's many many years ago post Christ. So there's

659
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.279
<v Speaker 1>a cults, there's a there's a group of cults that

660
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 1>believe that that follow a person named Jesus who are

661
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.079
<v Speaker 1>doing some wild shit and these Romans are well upset

662
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 1>about it. So that's when it takes place but it's

663
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 1>just weird like city where there's a Golden Rule, which

664
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 1>is basically, if anyone commits a sin, everyone is killed.

665
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:13.279
<v Speaker 1>They're all done. That's the story, and you're you kind

666
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>of end up there as a person from the future,

667
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 1>and the person that's brought you there knows that someone

668
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 1>is going to commit break the Golden Rule soon, and

669
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 1>it's like you need to figure out who's going to

670
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.359
<v Speaker 1>do it before it happens so I can save my people.

671
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:33.279
<v Speaker 1>And that's the entire setup. I don't know yet. I

672
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know it could be anyone.

673
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 2>So is it then like outer Wilds where it's like looping, Like.

674
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:41.880
<v Speaker 1>So far I haven't found any I haven't found any

675
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>loop kind of thing because I haven't died. There is

676
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:46.279
<v Speaker 1>There isn't as far as I can tell. There is

677
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>some sort of combat because one of the starting items

678
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.119
<v Speaker 1>that you can have, I picked a flashlight, but it's

679
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 1>a gun with ten bullets, but you can never acquire

680
00:33:53.880 --> 00:33:56.640
<v Speaker 1>any more bullets. You can only you only get those

681
00:33:56.680 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>ten bullets. So you could be like, so I anticipate

682
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>there's ane in the future, Yeah, exactly. You might be like, shit,

683
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 1>I need to speed this thing up, or I need

684
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>this answer, but to do it, I need to kill

685
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this person or something like that. But maybe when I

686
00:34:10.079 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 1>die it will like loop again. But as far as

687
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>in terms of outworld comparisons, it's not as vast I

688
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:20.679
<v Speaker 1>think so far. It's an incredibly detailed city, but like

689
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>it's designed to be like very very immersive and have

690
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of detail and intricacy to it, so you're

691
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.039
<v Speaker 1>not exploring a massive open world. Instead, you've got this

692
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>like tightly constructed area that you very intimately learn so

693
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you can get around it on repeated like plays or

694
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>like loops if they if those are other things, and

695
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.239
<v Speaker 1>I've tried to stay away from like reading about it.

696
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>That's why I can't tell you for sure if it

697
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:46.119
<v Speaker 1>loops in the same way Out Worlds does because I

698
00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 1>haven't reached the loop state. But I expect that is

699
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.800
<v Speaker 1>the case. And there's like wild shit happening where like

700
00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you can talk, like I'll talk to someone and mention

701
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:56.840
<v Speaker 1>like how do I get out of here? I'm like, yo,

702
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 1>don't say that shit, Like you know you could tempt

703
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the gods because you know this person tried to do

704
00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>this one time, and like, because no one knows what

705
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 1>is a sin or not, Like there's no definition of

706
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 1>a sin, so like to one person like.

707
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:11.599
<v Speaker 3>Like a booth something and be like, oh, she's yeah.

708
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Like one of the first characters I met was like

709
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a person who was like he was gay but like

710
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>is very comfortably gay, and like he's being harassed, and

711
00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:21.679
<v Speaker 1>like the question is why isn't the person that is

712
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>harassing this person, this gay person triggering the golden rule?

713
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Because is that not like are you not committing a crime?

714
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>It's harassment not a crime here, and you have to

715
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of like figure out what like the the intricacies

716
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and the definitions of what is moral what is illegal,

717
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>And it gets very philosophical very quickly, and like you

718
00:35:42.440 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>think about it and you're like, maybe it's because at

719
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 1>that time, the idea of being gay was considered abhoring,

720
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.480
<v Speaker 1>which is like fucked up on a different level where

721
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, man, I don't know how I feel

722
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>about this, Like you have to make so many considerations

723
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. But so far the experience has been like

724
00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.320
<v Speaker 1>talking to a lot of people, which is like as

725
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.719
<v Speaker 1>mass effect and RPG fans is out completely our shit,

726
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>but like, because there's not a lot of else to do,

727
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 1>it around it like there's not a self i haven't

728
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.119
<v Speaker 1>encountered any combat scenarios. I'm not taking cover and firing

729
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.920
<v Speaker 1>popping off, you know, gunshots or bow and arrow shots

730
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. It's very trimmed down to like,

731
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 1>talk to a person, learn what you can learn, get

732
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 1>a sense of who they are, go to speak to

733
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:24.239
<v Speaker 1>someone else, chase the lead, start to formulate an idea

734
00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 1>of what's going on, and maybe a key like at

735
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 1>some point, accuse someone and see what happens. But it

736
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.639
<v Speaker 1>is that very much like it feels like an incredibly tight,

737
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 1>very potent like character driven, narrative driven, dank RPG experience

738
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:42.440
<v Speaker 1>without any of the kind of like trimmings of an

739
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 1>RPG experience. So imagine if if it was like Mass Effect,

740
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>except the only thing you really did was walk around

741
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.639
<v Speaker 1>the Normandy constantly talking to everyone, which is.

742
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Sounds like a pretty.

743
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is amazing. Like now just applied that to

744
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Skyrom where it's like you've got one area and you're

745
00:36:57.639 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 1>just constantly trying to talk Like it, it feels like

746
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>I hope it sticks to landing. From everything I've heard,

747
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>it's amazing. But yeah, that's what I've been playing and yeah,

748
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.840
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna move. We don't have a new segment

749
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:14.079
<v Speaker 1>this week. We're actually going for a shorter podcast this

750
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:18.199
<v Speaker 1>week because I have, unfortunately an appointment to attend to

751
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:21.639
<v Speaker 1>King Tam must leave, I do, I must, I do,

752
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and do need to leave. But obviously there's a lot

753
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 1>of things happening in the industry right now. There's some Honestly, like,

754
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what is the one thing that we

755
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:35.599
<v Speaker 1>do want to address, because I think it probably has

756
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.079
<v Speaker 1>to be the ongoing Activision thing along with the fall

757
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Bright thing that's currently happening. We spoke about the Activision

758
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.079
<v Speaker 1>thing last week and little has changed. I think the

759
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.039
<v Speaker 1>main thing that we want to add to it right

760
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>now is like, don't let the new cycle cycle out

761
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the important the issue out of the timeline and out

762
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of your mind. Just keep it front and center because

763
00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>it's still happening, and if you need any indication that

764
00:38:01.440 --> 00:38:03.239
<v Speaker 1>it is happening, you only have to look at the

765
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:07.679
<v Speaker 1>full Bright. Steve Gainer thing, which, to kind of cut

766
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:11.039
<v Speaker 1>a long story short and her kind of horrible story

767
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>short is Steve Gainer, known for Gone Home Tacoma works

768
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:19.119
<v Speaker 1>out a fall Bright currently working on what's the name

769
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:24.119
<v Speaker 1>of the new game, Open Roads. Yeah, and in some

770
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 1>months ago step back from his position in leadership position

771
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>at fall Bright after it was found that there was

772
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>a culture of microaggression and toxicity towards women that pushed many,

773
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>many many of them out, too many of them out

774
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:45.840
<v Speaker 1>of the company, made them decide to leave. And yeah,

775
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:49.119
<v Speaker 1>he's now taken a step back from it. But you know,

776
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>it's a horrible thing. There's an amazing report done by

777
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Polygon that you should read which details it extensively, and

778
00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 1>the Open Roads team for Bright has put out their

779
00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:02.119
<v Speaker 1>own statement around it. But needless to say, it's not

780
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 1>good and it continues to be an example evidence of

781
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:13.760
<v Speaker 1>the industry being systemically abusive towards and towards women and

782
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:21.159
<v Speaker 1>creating cultures that make it hostile working places for them.

783
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.119
<v Speaker 1>It fucking sucks. Anything you guys want to say about it.

784
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 4>Uh, I mean, I kind of said on Twitter yesterday,

785
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 4>but I think this just this shines a light on

786
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 4>Like I think it's so easy to look at like

787
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:37.760
<v Speaker 4>because like the Activision Blizzard stuff is like some of

788
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 4>the most like wild, heinous shit, right, It's like you

789
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 4>can easily look at that and be like god damn, like,

790
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 4>holy shit, this is like disgusting. Where this is like

791
00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, they made it clear there was no sexual

792
00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 4>abuse or harassment, but it I think it can be

793
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:00.559
<v Speaker 4>too easy to look at to feel like, oh, it's

794
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 4>not this incredibly obvious, disgusting thing, and therefore it's not

795
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 4>as bad or it's not you know, like you could

796
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:13.320
<v Speaker 4>feel like, oh, well, I don't have it as bad

797
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.000
<v Speaker 4>as those people, therefore it's not worth addressing. And like

798
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<v Speaker 4>I just want to say, that's that's nonsense. Like I

799
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 4>think anyone who makes anyone feel like a lesser person

800
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:27.320
<v Speaker 4>for any reason is uh needs to just get kicked out,

801
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:33.119
<v Speaker 4>like shouldn't be there, you know. So yeah, like I sorry,

802
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:34.679
<v Speaker 4>I'm kind of rambling, but I guess I just want

803
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 4>to say is like I think this is a a

804
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 4>great example of like don't don't look at just the

805
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.960
<v Speaker 4>big things, like look at the small things as well,

806
00:40:46.039 --> 00:40:49.960
<v Speaker 4>or the smaller things, and like those are those can

807
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.639
<v Speaker 4>be just as harmful, like you know, like you would

808
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.519
<v Speaker 4>think like oh, you know microaggressions like ah, doesn't sound

809
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 4>so bad. It's like no, like that shit sucks. I

810
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.559
<v Speaker 4>have I've experienced that kind of stuff before and like

811
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 4>that ship like creates a work environment where people don't

812
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 4>want to work, people don't want to be there. It

813
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 4>ruins creativity, like it's it's unsustainable for like a healthy

814
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:22.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, like work culture, healthy mental state. Like it's

815
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:27.480
<v Speaker 4>that ship ain't good. And like I'm I'm I'm glad

816
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 4>they're they're you know, he steps down. I don't. I

817
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.320
<v Speaker 4>find it very questionable that he's still there at all incapacity.

818
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:44.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with that personally, But you know, I

819
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.880
<v Speaker 4>I hope at least that the team that's currently there

820
00:41:48.320 --> 00:41:50.960
<v Speaker 4>is I don't know, at least like that. I hope

821
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.400
<v Speaker 4>they feel better, Like it is all I say. It's like,

822
00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, I don't want to speak for them, and

823
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 4>but like I hope that they've started to heal there.

824
00:41:59.079 --> 00:42:01.719
<v Speaker 4>And and I'm curious if he's going to stick around

825
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 4>after the game is done, because it sounds like Anna Perna,

826
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.840
<v Speaker 4>who's the publisher, is very has very much siloed him

827
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.599
<v Speaker 4>away from everyone else, and they're sort of like he's

828
00:42:12.639 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 4>not directly communicating with the team. They're kind of acting

829
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 4>as like a mediator. So I wonder if they're sort

830
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:19.440
<v Speaker 4>of like, hey, you're going to help finish right the

831
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.599
<v Speaker 4>game and then you're out. But I don't know, they haven't,

832
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.440
<v Speaker 4>they haven't said anything. That's just speculation on my part.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, yeah, if I encourage everyone to read the

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<v Speaker 3>report from Nicole Carpenter on Polygon, because when you read it,

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<v Speaker 3>like it's one thing to pass by the tweets and

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<v Speaker 3>see the headline, but to actually read it is to

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<v Speaker 3>also understand exactly how hostile work environments affect people's morale

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<v Speaker 3>and affect people's lives. And this isn't just like two

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<v Speaker 3>or three women who worked with Gainer throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 3>This is like a lot of people have come out

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<v Speaker 3>and said that this is in fact how bad it

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<v Speaker 3>actually is. And yeah, it's, uh, it's wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>I think this hurts a lot of people in many

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<v Speaker 3>different ways. I think like Gone Home and maybe to

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<v Speaker 3>a lesser Steck extent to Coma were like important experiences

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<v Speaker 3>to people. And it's really odd to think about, like

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<v Speaker 3>how Gainer was led those games that are particularly I

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<v Speaker 3>mean obviously games are made by several different people. Uh,

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<v Speaker 3>it just it's it's really it's wild to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it's another thing too. There's probably reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>they put them in a writer role like that unbeknownst

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<v Speaker 3>to us. But on the outside looking in, it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you should be touching any of

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<v Speaker 3>those any of those games going forward. But internally it's

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<v Speaker 3>the wild part is like Open Roads put out the

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<v Speaker 3>statement before the Polygon article published that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was fucking weird. And the statement was like

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<v Speaker 3>very like he stepped back from his role, hope you

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<v Speaker 3>still look forward to our game. And then everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Concertingly vague, like an.

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<v Speaker 3>Hour later, an hour later, It's like Nicole Carbonser was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 3>here's a story, and you're like, yo, this ship is

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<v Speaker 3>fucking bad. So I guess I encourage everyone to like

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<v Speaker 3>read and like fully understand like how abusive work environments

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<v Speaker 3>can affect people, and like that this happens more often

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<v Speaker 3>than you think. And I hate to say that. I

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<v Speaker 3>remember Lab zero not too long ago with Mike z

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously Skullgirls and Indivisible was a very important game

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<v Speaker 3>to me, and I followed because maryel Kunugo Cartwright, who

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<v Speaker 3>also works with Meg sixty four, like I followed her

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<v Speaker 3>work for a long times, like oh, she works on Skullgirls,

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<v Speaker 3>she works on Indivisible, So that's how I follow Lab zero.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was like, oh, Lab zero is like

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<v Speaker 3>one of these cool, like indie developers that make cool games.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like, yo, the guy at top at the

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<v Speaker 3>top though, is a piece of shit. Uh And then

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<v Speaker 3>the rest of the workers like, yeah, fuck this, We're out.

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<v Speaker 3>We're starting our own studio. So like, I know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Activision Blizzard is like a triple A corporate environment, but

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<v Speaker 3>any work environment is susceptible to abusive power structures. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Saying, Educate yourself, Like that's the thing, because not only

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<v Speaker 5>a Lab zero. Last year we had a Scavenger studio

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<v Speaker 5>that's working on Yeah, yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Game with the black girl riding in the bike ro

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, this looks really cool. I'm all about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And then Game Industry Biz came out with the report.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, oh, just shitty white guy at the top, like,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's educate yourself, try to stay informed. It's obviously

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<v Speaker 5>one of those things that sometimes these things are just

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<v Speaker 5>in a whispered groups, so you don't know the details

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<v Speaker 5>until you're within the group. When the story eventually comes out,

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<v Speaker 5>but just try to stay prized of all the situations.

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<v Speaker 5>Try to notice the patterns that people are talking about

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<v Speaker 5>so that when you notice them, god forbid, in your

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<v Speaker 5>own workplace, you can try to stomp them out immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, be.

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<v Speaker 5>Vigilant, especially if you're a CIS gender dude, because we

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<v Speaker 5>carry a shit ton of agency in our workspace. So

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<v Speaker 5>we got to step up and be the change that

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<v Speaker 5>we hope to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed, well said, all right, Well, ordinarily we would

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<v Speaker 1>have our listener questions segment, but because this is a

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<v Speaker 1>speed run episode of the games after the Podcast, once again,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologis. This is all because of me. I I

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<v Speaker 1>I'm bad at managing my calendar today and now I

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<v Speaker 1>must leave. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>skip the h the listener questions portion of this again,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe. But we will have a we'll have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we should just do an all listener questions episode soon.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be a good thing to do. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you wanna, if you wanna give us some

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<v Speaker 1>AMMO for that, you can email us at after Dark

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast at GameSpot com or hear up. Ever myself for

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy on Twitter and let us know you want to

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<v Speaker 1>join a discord where there is a specific section devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to submitting questions, and you can do that then and

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe one day soon hopefully we'll do an all

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<v Speaker 1>listener questions. If not, we'll just pepper them in throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the next few episodes. In the meantime, you can find

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<v Speaker 1>us all on Twitter. I'm at Tomo h Sean Luke.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find?

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<v Speaker 4>You? Find me?

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<v Speaker 5>John Seppi, Jordan, where you're at bro You can find

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<v Speaker 5>me at jm Remee.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael tell him about you, annoy your bullshit?

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<v Speaker 4>You can.

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<v Speaker 3>You can find me in all my bullshit at Michael

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<v Speaker 3>p High. I'm on Twitter. Yeah, I'm getting a camera

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<v Speaker 3>stuck down my throat tomorrow or the time that whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm deep thirting a camera. My doctor said I have

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<v Speaker 3>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Your doctor said, I thought this was another one. Oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. I thought I forgot you told us to

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<v Speaker 1>mention that on cool. No worries, it was important detail

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<v Speaker 1>to all of this. We'll see next week everyone, Bye byes,
