Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: As those people have been watching me a long time,
you see that I brought my podcast UFO sign up
from South Carolina here to Portswith New Hampshire and my
guest tonight. This will be the second time he was on.
I think it was three or four years ago. We
were talking about down in the Amazon where these flying
things kind of attacking the village, the village in the
different areas, and so I had him on then, and
he's been doing a lot of research in the Amazon.
Ronnie Verney or Vignette or it's French. It's a French name,
and I knew ed Massacret. I probably should ask him
to pronounce it the right way, which he did for
me before the show, but it's hard to do so anyway,
I'm really glad to have him on.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned the other day.
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or more or more per a month. I'm pretty excited
about tonight. Two shows tonight, and the second one is
UFO Headlines. I'm going to be having joined by four
other people. I'm going to be talking about the recent
release by the government, and Don and I will he
should be joining me, and we'll be talking about our
experience down in Washington, d C. Last Thursday the twenty
fifth at the Disclosure Form.
Speaker 1: It was a blast. We had a really good time.
Speaker 2: So I am bringing in our guests and I'm really
happy to have him on again. Welcome, go ahead, running.
We don't want to hear how you say your last name.
Speaker 3: But whatever you want to call me is no problem.
Thanks for inviting me again. But happy to be here,
but happy to speak to your audience.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and I see that you've been extremely active,
and so I saw that and I thought, wow, I
got to get you back on. So that's, you know,
one of the reasons. Pardon me, I'm just adjusting here,
but that's, you know, the reason I really wanted to
get you on, because you have your hands full, and
but I wanted before we even go there.
Speaker 1: You're new to some of the people here.
Speaker 2: So I'd like to first of all ask you, you know,
what made you get into this topic to begin with.
There's something else you're recovering, and you kind of a
lot of people get into this by accident, and so
I'm wondering how you actually got into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a UFO guy. For him many time,
I'm an etronic engineer. I also do a research in physics.
I work for the government in the energy area, but
not UFO stuff.
Speaker 4: And since six.
Speaker 3: Years ago to eight years ago, started to do some research,
some field expeditions to see if there is something about
this phenomena. And I could encounter many word things that
prove it to me that this was real and I needed.
Speaker 4: To study more, to dig more.
Speaker 3: So, sayce at least twenty twenty, in the middle of
the pandemic, I'm researching a lot, doing some governmental contacts
to retrieve documents, doing field expeditions from Amazon to the
Antarctics region. And so this is why I'm here today.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And up the last time we spoke, we talked about
those flying people and so many people reporting and they
were horrified and they just you know, those jet packs.
First of all, Once the last and time at all.
There are like two hundred thousand dollars. And there were
some people saying that those were people that were going
into minds and things like that. But what you know,
we already covered that. But what I'd like to know
is what was the outcome? Is that still things still
ongoing or what's going on there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just happened in twenty twenty three in Peru.
We saw these crazy humanoid figures flying.
Speaker 4: Simotoberrino was there, He visited there.
Speaker 3: I had a contact with a teacher of the village
of the indigenous community there and he was able to
reach the community and hear the first hand testimony about
these people. These people were being attacked by these humanoids.
It was like a human, different type of human, with
some technological stuff below their feet that they could fly
and they could attack people with different types of instruments.
Speaker 4: And the people.
Speaker 3: Were reporting that it couesn't pay because it was happening
in many, many villages, in many cities inside the Amazon jungle,
close to Iquitos, that's the capital of the Amazon Forest
in fact, and it started to call the attention of
the media and the government. The proven government had to
take some actions to avoid people.
Speaker 4: To speak about that.
Speaker 3: And the justification of the proven government about that, The
answer was that, oh, nothing to see there. They are
just illegal miners wearing jet packs to scary people. Wa'ts
something very very bizarre because if you are an illegal miner,
you don't want to call attention of people. You want
to work secretly, and when people discover what you are
doing this illegal activity, you move to other place and
you play this hide and seek stuff with the government.
So to say that illegal miners are scary people with jetpacks,
it has no no, no way they're doing that. So
this was the explanation about it.
Speaker 2: So there's never really been a solid explanation on what
these things were.
Speaker 4: Never the government totally dismissed it.
Speaker 3: In fact, what happens and it's happened in Brazil in
the past.
Speaker 4: It happened in Brazil two years ago.
Speaker 3: Also, when this happens, the government simply pray to these
things go away because they know these things are waves,
waves of incidents and they know the governments know that
they cannot do anything about that. So when does start
to happen, they simply prayer to these things go away
because they cannot do anything. So this happened in Brazil,
that happened in Peru, always the same behavior.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you a question about what
you did then and what you're still doing.
Speaker 1: How do you establish trust with.
Speaker 2: The indigenous communities and the local residents who shared all
these accounts I'm talking about from all the way back
on Peru when you were doing that, to what you're
recently doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for example, this happened in Peru in twenty twenty three,
and one year after that, in twenty twenty four, this
happened in Brazilian Amazon, very close to Peru, the border
with Peru, but.
Speaker 4: In a different way.
Speaker 3: They were not attacking, and they were not seeing humanoids,
but they are seeing orbs, and these orbs are in
close contact with them. They were sleeping in the bed
and the orb appears and they wake up and they
see the ARBs like three feet from the people, and
they are completely scared. But no attacks, even when, for example,
the indigenous leadership tried to do shot gunshots against the orbs,
simply paralyzed them, and.
Speaker 4: The orbs didn't attack them.
Speaker 3: So this was a different type, maybe a different type
of phenomena different type of behavior of the same phenomenon.
Speaker 4: So these people trusted me to.
Speaker 3: Be there in twenty twenty four because they wanted someone
to document what was happening, because when they asked for
help for the government, the government's dismisses and say, no,
you're not seeing anything. I cannot go there. I'm too busy.
So they want someone to with credibility to go there,
to document, to take photos, to take videos, and show
for the people what's happening there. So this is why
they trusted me to go. They asked for help and
accepted me to go there.
Speaker 1: I see. That makes perfect sense.
Speaker 2: So not to get way off track or anything, but
I'm sure you know that there's you know, James Fox
did a press conference up in washing DC about the
Virginia case. I went to that and I really thought
it was fantastic. And I don't know how much you
have followed that one in particular, but I it's just
one of those situations where I say that, you know,
when I look someone in the eye and talk even
though we're speaking different language.
Speaker 1: Great interpreter, but I totally buy their story.
Speaker 2: I think this really did happen, and there was a
call recently. I'm going to play a clip in my show,
my next show where you know, someone from a senate
person was asking for, you know, some movement on that
particular case with what we know, because you know, the
American government moved right in there like the day after
something crazy, you know, I mean, but so what do
you think about that case? Have you done any really
any type of deep dive at all into that or
looked at it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you remember, the beings were captured by police,
the firearms and Brazil the firearms are part of the police,
and the firearms in Brazil are part of the military
Brazilian army different from the US for example, and they
were captured by these bodies. They were s to the
hospital to take exams, to take some procedures, and all
the people in the city saw that military, the civilians,
from the people that lived there, the physicians.
Speaker 4: We have plenty hundreds of testimonials about this case.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, a few came forward to talk about it because
they are very afraid.
Speaker 4: A lot of people were threatened by the military. And
if you remember.
Speaker 3: This case in nineteen ninety six when it's happened at
that time, the militaries gave two explanations about what happened.
The first one was this guy, this brown alien that
people that the girls see, and many people saw, this
brown alien was simply a person with disabilities that was
crouched and the guy was dirty with mud, so just
because he was brown and he was like that because
it had rained a lot. But first, and this explanation
is the official explanation of the Brazilian army. This explanation
is an official document of the Brazilian Army. Okay, what
turns things more bizarre and the explanation is completely wrong. First,
because all the city knows this guy.
Speaker 4: With the abilities. The girls knew him.
Speaker 3: It's someone that all the city was very they used
it to have this guy in the in the streets,
so they knew him. And second, this reign that they
call it, this storm that happened after the sighting of
the girls, So it's not related with this guy being
covered in muddy and so on. So this first explanation,
the second explanation is why people saw the army entering
and invading and stopping everything at the hospitals of the city.
And they said, oh, there were two dwarfs there, human
dwarfs there.
Speaker 4: The woman it was a couple.
Speaker 3: The woman was pregnant, and this is why we stopped
everything at the hospital. We this is justifies the presence
of the.
Speaker 4: Army in the hospital.
Speaker 3: This couple of dwarves, what's even more bizarre than the
person with disabilities. So for me, they gave in the
Brazilian arm gaving these explanations is something like, oh, I
wanted to tell the truth, but I cannot because it's
sobets are And anyone that see the explanation see that
doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 4: So anyone that see.
Speaker 3: This explanation says, okay, they are trying to say something
because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: So it's like they were nanting.
Speaker 3: The Brazilian Army wants to talk the truth, but they cannot,
maybe because they have agreement with US. And we know
by the military themselves that something was transported to the
US because we had used have airplane and we know
the military that authorize this military airplane to come to
San Paulo in a city very close to Virginia, and
from this military airplane, two helicopters were sent to bring
boxes to be loaded in this military US airplane that
flew back to US. So maybe because there is an
agreement the military, the Brazil military cannot talk anything about that.
Speaker 4: So I diget a lot about this case.
Speaker 3: I interviewed many people, interviewed the girls again, I interviewed
on other person's there, and I released the documentary about that,
colored the Dark Side of UFOs in Brazil.
Speaker 4: It's on my channel.
Speaker 3: I will release publicly, but for some time it will
be on my channel, my membership area, but in some
months it will release for anyone. So it's there. It's
called Dark Side of UFOs in Brazil. Power, Money and Rituals,
because we have a big coincidence about the Virginia incident.
In the same area where these beings were encountered, there
was a very powerful farmer there, a ranger there that
owns maybe thirty percent of all the lands in Virginia,
and he performed was performing very divanced black magic rituals
there and for many times people say that this guy
was summony, non human intelligence, someone in creatures there. And
this was one big coincidence that I digged a lot
that maybe could be one of the ingredients to explain
why these creatures happened there, and never more had any
incident about that in Brazil and any part of the world.
This documentary talks more about the physicians. I digged a
lot about the physicians because another coincidence, and I don't
believe anything is coincidence whatever, but a lot of physicians
are that saw the creature, that reform and procedures on
the creature. They are part of the same institution. It's
something like a Masonic institute called Provida or pro Life
in English. So it's a Masonic like institute composed for
in many levels to expand consciousness and.
Speaker 4: There they train remote viewing and other stuff.
Speaker 3: So this is something else that adds more wordiness to
this case of Virginia. And this explain part because some
of these physicians don't want to come forward to talk about.
Only a few physicians talk about these beings, like doctor
Ritolo and two or three others, but we have plenty
of dozens of physicians that saw the creature, that are
involved in the thing, and they doesn't want to come forward,
maybe because they are part of this institution and they
have some type of agreement to don't talk about that.
Speaker 4: And maybe could explain why doctor Ritter.
Speaker 3: Ventorelle that went to us with James Fox is talking
something some part that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: So I believe doctor Ritolo is.
Speaker 3: Talking the truth in part, but changing some details, maybe
because of influence of this institute and something like that.
So this is a very big case many it's very complex,
but I try to in some minutes to put the
more important aspects of that.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you know, there's always been a
rumor or you know, I've talked with James Fox a
lot about this, and that the video, the original video
is somewhere and he has been working with the doctor
who passed away, the widow, the wife of the with
the person that passed away, the doctor that supposedly has
at least pictures when she does.
Speaker 1: Not want to like go of them no matter what.
Speaker 2: So I hope they're on a really good safe walking.
I'm having a little bit of technical troubles with my camera.
I'm not sure what that's about. I may I may
try to change some settings to see what happens here,
but anyway, we'll just move on. And so that case
I think is really really special myself. But you have
gone all through the Amazon do you want to talk
about Oh? And also is your the documentary that you made.
Is that not that's not in English?
Speaker 5: Is it?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: Uh, it's translated. I have English subtitles. So have the
the Portuguese version and the version translated with subtitles in English.
Speaker 2: Oh great, So that's good to know. And I will
link that in the show notes for anyone.
Speaker 1: To see that.
Speaker 2: So okay, So yep, so that is That's excellent because
I've saw that a lot of people were talking very
highly of it. Looks like you did a really, really
good job. So what is the the purpose of the
most recent Amazon mission that you have done?
Speaker 3: As the purpose was to collect, to document, to collect images,
to try to collect the interview of these indigenous that
were basiness to the event, and I was not expecting
to see any UAP there. But in fact what happened
is that the more I started the cameras, because I
brought a lot of cameras, thermal cameras, authorized cameras there.
I brought sixty kilos of equipment there with sensors, cameras
to collect data. And the more I started the equipment,
the more I started the cameras, the more the penlomers
start to approach from what I was doing, and we
were able to see many orbs in close contacts there.
Some of them were recorded in video, but the most
astonished evidence it was impossible to collect because of the
phenomenon was causing some kind of interference in our equipment.
Speaker 4: And for example, that one video that.
Speaker 3: I recorded and I was playing that video, it was
completely crazy the things that.
Speaker 4: Were in that video.
Speaker 3: And when I was playing that to see to watch
at the same time something but my video recorder offline
and when it turned back five minutes later, it was
completely noisy, completely disturbed. It was what the video was modified.
In another occasion, I had an ORB. I was able
to get a drone to reach two meters from the ORB,
six feet from this ORB, and I was not able
to record. The image was all black and I have
eight minutes all black image and it was impossible to
record this ORB in a close, close, close proximity. So
these are examples about what happened there. But I was
satisfied at the final with what they could get many interviews,
sometimes some images of these orbs, and that was a
great expedition.
Speaker 1: Wow, really there was.
Speaker 2: Is that the situation where he called it the five
cameras situation. You had five cameras or is that a
whole other thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I brought five, five or six cameras that there to
document that, and some of these cameras were able to
capture these orbs. This was the And also I started
sensor I stalled infrasound sensors, magnetic sensors, OUTSI radio antennas,
all types of sensors that you can imagine.
Speaker 4: I started there. Unfortunately, after I leave.
Speaker 3: I left the village, they had a problem because all
the energy that is supplied by solar panels it's literally
in the middle of the forest when I installed it,
and they had the problems with batteries, they had problems
with the electrical equipment. So scenes like one year and
a half ago, I don't have any signal about the
feet of the cameras, and I don't see any solution.
Speaker 4: Then to go back sometime.
Speaker 3: Maybe if the phenomena happens again, to try to fix
or try to repair what's there.
Speaker 2: Boy, you know, it always seems like you hear about
that so many times, where there's disturbance that you know
will knock things out. You know, I remember talking when
I very first looked into this, was talking to a
researcher that had a big triangle floating right over her
head and all the camera equipment, all the batteries.
Speaker 1: Went dead immediately. They just went fast trained.
Speaker 2: They were at full batteries when they got out of
the truck out into the cornfield, and then when the
thing flew over, all the batteries were dead.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't even explain those types of things. Amazing.
Speaker 2: So what about the scientific papers. I know that you
had mentioned some scientific papers. I do believe correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I publish a scientific paper with Tin Lomas from Havad.
It is about how do you measure the level of evidence?
And this was very good. It was accepted in a
top tier level scientific journal. And we are planning to
do more with maybe with the Brazilian data, and we're
trying to see what we can do in the future
and also planning in something with Brazilian resources also to
publish something in the future.
Speaker 4: Right right now, we are typing.
Speaker 3: We're trying to establish a methodology, how we collect data,
how we do we set up the experiments, how we
calibrate to instruments, and the second step would be do
these experiments to collect data. So we are in the
base We are in the foundational step to try to
establish the methodology because it's a very new area, and
logically we feed from other jobs like Galileo and other
people that are doing this, and after.
Speaker 4: That we'll start to collect data.
Speaker 1: I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to meet Avi Lobe for the first
time at down in Washington.
Speaker 1: Last week as well.
Speaker 2: He's been doing It's really amazing that someone like him
this just wouldn't happen before. I'm talking about before twenty seventeen,
the New York Times article. Everyone feels more relaxed. The
science is starting to take a serious look in this.
You know, I sometimes feel discouraged, like what type of
movement are we truly making in the UFO do? I
want to use the word disclosure Ali, But it seems
that we seem to be in a little bit different
times now and I'm going to be talking about that.
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So what about the Type two and Type three orange spheres?
Can you explain what those were that you saw?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I don't do this kind of classification. I just call
them orbs. What I can I say about that is
that in the Amazon forest I was what was witnessing
was orange to red orbs. They were from the size
veries from.
Speaker 4: Three feet to six feet in diameter.
Speaker 3: And as I said, they were not showing any aggression behavior,
aggressive behavior against the indigenous or against us. It was
only observing people observing. For example, observing that was one
incident where I was stalling the cameras. It was the
last days I was there. I were there and this arb.
Speaker 4: Descended.
Speaker 3: It was two feet from the ground, it was six
feet from us, and it.
Speaker 4: Was like observing us what we were.
Speaker 3: Doing, and it wanted it seemed that it wanted us
to see this orb because when you look at it,
it just went away to a top of a tree
and stay there. So this one why I was able
to get my drone and put my drone in the
air and try to record it. So the phenomena wanted
to was it seemed to be curious about what I
was doing there and wanted to be seen.
Speaker 1: Also, wow, and did you actually get to film it?
Speaker 3: Yes, the documentary had I have a documentary about that.
It's released, it's public. You can put YouTube phenomena in
Amazon Indigenous Encounters if you put if you search for
this words, you can see you can watch this documentary.
People loved it and gave very positive feedback about it.
And documentary have English sabititles also, so your English audience
could watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as I mentioned before, up that link right in
the show notes, so everybody who either listens to the
podcast or watch the podcast can get to that. Just
have to click on show notes and wow. And so
what are you currently working on right now or what's
your next adventure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are working on this cloud Jo incident. Cloudo
is a city in the same state of Vagina is
the state of Miniaget Eyes in a seat of the
same state. We had twenty six incidents where dozens of
military policemen were able to chase It's not only UFOs,
but beings and three types of beings luminous, great type beings,
small and ones and tall ones and now brown beings
like the Virginia. We don't know if it's the same,
but the characteristics are the same. And they did it
not one or two, but twenty six times. We have
an official report released. It's on the UAPEPRESU site. I
can send you a link so you can share with
your audience, and right now, twenty years after this incident,
the commander, a lieutenant colonel, came forward in an official
event of the military police in uniform to say, yes,
it was real. I commended these operations. We are not alone.
We chased these beings. And I think it's the first
time in history that official uniform, a military uniform, in
official event, in front of his colleagues, in front of
the Brazilian military, in front of his commander.
Speaker 4: He talked about that. He talks something about that, and
you talk more.
Speaker 3: He's retrying right now, and I'm in conversation with the
Brazilian Senate to after the elections we have the presidential
action in October. We are in conversations with Senate staff
to have finally the first public wip hearing where we'll
have this military coming forward to speak there.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is so great.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the luminous figures are that sounds really very interesting.
And wasn't there something about an object as well at
the same time, Yes.
Speaker 3: There were, there were the important vehicles there, arms and
vehicles that mood colored objects. Sometimes these objects were like
they describe it, like a buzz, like a luminous bus.
With these lights going around, changing lights and changing colors.
And this is what they reported together with these beings.
And important to say that all the military had physiological effects.
They had they get completely the hydratated, they were completely
affected their minds, they could not reach the pistol guns,
they could not record in sometimes in some occasions. And
most of the material was collected by the Brazilian Air Force.
Speaker 4: The Brazilian Forest.
Speaker 3: Went there and the briefit all the military and collected
all the materials, all the videos, all the drownings, and
this is what happened there. And this, this involvement about
the Brazilian Air Force is something you want to discuss
also in these Brazilian UEP hearings.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the things I think of is anytime
you were talking about jungle, you're talking about something very
very noisy. All the insects and mostly insects, but the
animals and things are all making noise. So did you
ever notice anything change when there was something going on,
like did it ever get silent?
Speaker 3: It's hard to say because when we were in close
contact with this phenomena, we were so foxed to observe them. Yes, uh,
And we're not paying attention in fact to the environment.
So it's difficult to say if I noted the environment stopped.
For example, what can I say is the video we
don't hear in the video the noise and forest is
something very noisy, and in.
Speaker 4: This video you cannot see many sounds.
Speaker 3: So maybe this happened, but I'm not sure I had
not there started a very good microphone there to capture
the sound. It's something that if I went back there,
I certainly would do bring a good microphone to capture
the silence, because the microphone itself is a very good
sensor to see if.
Speaker 4: The phenomena is there.
Speaker 3: For example, if it's there is no noisy in a
forest that very noisy, you know that something happened probably
and and so this is what we could do.
Speaker 2: Then do you have like a single strongest piece of
evidence that you think is really solid so far? I mean,
I guess I'll ask you what your strongest evidence is
a video evidence.
Speaker 3: I don't have any material that you could prove anything,
because I think to prove something we need a lot
of data. We need in size, we need hapetability, we
need to perform experiments to have repeatable data and we need,
for example, to capture the spectro p of these lights
with a spectrometer to see the spectrum of the wavelength
of this light, to see the nature of these lights.
Speaker 4: To provoke this is a really anomalous light and not
a normal light.
Speaker 3: We need to do other sensors data and for Toolately,
when I captured this phenomena, I only had started the
cameras and not the sensors. I started the sense source
after I started the cameras, so I was not collecting
and sensor data when this phenomenon appeared to manifest closer.
And what's interesting is that after I started the sensors,
the phenomenons stopped the manifestations.
Speaker 4: So it's something.
Speaker 3: Like it's interesting because maybe the phenomenon doesn't want me
to collect a lot of data, only a part of it,
so I could not prove scientifically anything because if I
have the camera, I have magnetic effects, I have nuclear effects,
I have radio wave data, have infrasound data.
Speaker 4: Maybe I could have some solid data to.
Speaker 3: Publish scientifically, and the phenomenon maybe didn't want that.
Speaker 4: So the next.
Speaker 3: Step would be established a methodologist to establish what instruments
I need, try to capture these orbs in more events
and see the nature.
Speaker 4: Of the light.
Speaker 3: What I have in the documentary is only the video
very good videos.
Speaker 4: For me, is one of the best videos ever captured.
Speaker 3: Not the best, but one of the best because it
is in zoom, is centralized. You can see these arms perfectly.
It's not a distant light, but the light that is
feeling almost all the screen in zoom, so you can
see perfectly. But I don't have other data like meganetometer,
like the spectroscopy and all the data.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully you'll have more people after they see your
work that will come in and do some help for
with you. And you know, I think this is really fascinating.
And you know, one of the things I think about
is you know, when you is there any of this
phenomena that you think is just in your area on
the Amazon or do you think it's all part of
you know, what people are seeing all over the world.
What I'm trying to say, is there anything you think
is like just in the Amazon, like those foggy figures,
luminous figures.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.
Speaker 3: For example, I had an experience in two thousand twenty
three in the Ata Kama desert in Chile where I
was able to witness these luminous humanoids there. I was
there with some researchers from the Catholic University from Chile
and they were doing expeditions and they invited me to
go there and we were able to witnesses this phenomenon.
And I think something that you can see globally, but
that manifests more in these very exhalated areas like the
Attakama Desert, like the Amazon forest, and even in Aris
there's a tough arizona. In other parts as a lated
for example US and I think this is the the
reason why do people don't see very often this phenomena,
because people don't go to spend the night at these
very resolated places, and many of people don't have any
courage to go there, and you know it's sometimes it's
dangerous to do this kind of stuff. So I think
this is the reason we are not witness But I
think it's a global phenomena.
Speaker 4: I don't think Brazil is not special about that.
Speaker 3: We have many phenomena in Peru. Peru is a place
that have also craziest things, including these humanoids. But what
we can speculate is why we have these aggressive waves
in Brazil, for example, like Operational Prato, and in other
cases where we have attacks like in these indigenous villags
between twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, we have had attacks
in these villages very close to this one I visited,
and we don't have this kind of thing happening, for example,
in in communities in US have some dangerous things in
the skin cockerage sometimes but not light sending light beings
and burning people for example, taking blood, collecting blood from
people like we saw in the Operation Plateau in nineteen
seventy seven, and where you saw in the other cases
in Brazil where people were burned, for example.
Speaker 4: So maybe you could expeculate something about that.
Speaker 3: Maybe I believe that part of this phenomena could be
really physical, including the physical vehicles that US and other
countries could have constructed like China that are very exotic.
Speaker 4: And they seem to be no.
Speaker 3: Human intelligence but are human technology, but exotic human technology.
And also maybe physical intelligence coming from the seas, coming
from the water with very high technological stuff. But I
think most have seen like this, some thing like something
that we call interdimensional, something that's from is coming from
another reality.
Speaker 4: And maybe we.
Speaker 3: Have our physical reality and these things are coming from
a non physical reality or anti material reality.
Speaker 4: And projecting here in some way.
Speaker 3: Sometimes what we are seeing is not the real shape,
the real form of this phenomena. Maybe they're coming from
from a world where it's not a physical world, but
the informational world.
Speaker 4: And this could explain why.
Speaker 3: This Nhi summoney, Why these rituals, why these prayers. It's
very common for me to receive incidents of UAP in
top of mountain where Christians are preying. And I believe
that this happens because we in a mature world, expressing emotions,
expressing h information, because emotions are at the end of
the day, just information. We are emanating the information.
Speaker 5: And this is uh some kind of way and creating
some resonance with this no material reality where maybe these
beings are coming and these emotions emanage there and rare
reflected here in a material consequence. So this is maybe
why this Nhi summon in the cfive, these rituals, these
prayers emanates and in consequence creates the phenomena here, these
projections of the phenomena here in our reality. So maybe
I think part of the ARBs and some crazy stuff
that we are seeing.
Speaker 3: Is this is what's happening. And when, for example, this
policy military are interacting are close to these beings, these
luminous beings, for example, it's like they are here physically,
but they are not because they cannot control their bodies,
and the surroundings are a little different. It's our physical
reality but a little different. So maybe we have in
these cases some kind of merge of different types of realities,
our material world with their road.
Speaker 4: Sometimes for some reason, we have this merge. And this is.
Speaker 3: Why we have some similar similarities also with the sleep paralysis,
because I think sleep paralysis is something like that when
we are paralyzed, we are seeing the room, we are
seeing our bedroom around, but we also are seeing.
Speaker 4: Things and I cannot move my body. And maybe this
is happening.
Speaker 3: Because at this time I'm here sleeping in my physical body,
but at the same time I'm not here because my
consciousness is not here in this physical world. So this
is happening in this merge between the physical and nown
physical reality. So in some cases I believe this could happen.
We have these emanations of co we have these feelings,
we have this outer state of consciousness creating a couple
with this no physical reality where these beings live.
Speaker 2: Now, as far as the entities for the indigenous people
in the communities, what are they describing the phenomena as.
Do they ever talk about the possibility of extraterrestrial Do
they think it's demonic, spiritual, natural or something else?
Speaker 3: Entirely, they believe in the beings from the forest and
the Kodio things that these orbs were not coming from
the space.
Speaker 4: They're coming from the forest.
Speaker 3: And what's not normal for them is these beings from
the forest, these spirits from the forest come to our
world because they use aauaska for example, or connect.
Speaker 4: Them with these beings from this world.
Speaker 3: So we humans go there using aauaska, you were able
to go there to the world where these beings are leaving.
Speaker 4: And what for them is not common.
Speaker 3: They never had this experience until these days two years ago.
Is these beings come to their realities and appear there.
So the interpretation why not extraterrestrial is like some beings
or spirits from the forest.
Speaker 2: It's been wonderful. I unfortunately we have to cut the
show a little bit short. Usually I go fifty five
another ten minutes or so, but I have another show
coming up after this, so, like I mentioned, the number
of times, I'll put your documentary linked. And it's been
such a pleasure to have you on again, and I
hope that you'll consider coming back again because I felt
like the time is way too short, and the next
time I have you on, I can plan it so
to be a lot longer than this.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you Martin for the invitation, thanks for the audience,
and I hope to be back again.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so you take care, all right, everyone,
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