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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: As those people have been watching me a long time,

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you see that I brought my podcast UFO sign up

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from South Carolina here to Portswith New Hampshire and my

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guest tonight. This will be the second time he was on.

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I think it was three or four years ago. We

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were talking about down in the Amazon where these flying

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things kind of attacking the village, the village in the

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different areas, and so I had him on then, and

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he's been doing a lot of research in the Amazon.

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Ronnie Verney or Vignette or it's French. It's a French name,

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and I knew ed Massacret. I probably should ask him

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to pronounce it the right way, which he did for

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me before the show, but it's hard to do so anyway,

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I'm really glad to have him on.

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Speaker 1: As I mentioned the other day.

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Speaker 2: Our blog this week is a nineteen seventy three humanoid

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case from Indiana by Charles Lear. We have hundreds of

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blogs on podcastufo dot com. Check it out and you

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can help support the show if you'd like to, and

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that's on there too. We have a Patreon page and

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you can get an ad free experience for two dollars

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or more or more per a month. I'm pretty excited

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about tonight. Two shows tonight, and the second one is

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UFO Headlines. I'm going to be having joined by four

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other people. I'm going to be talking about the recent

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release by the government, and Don and I will he

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should be joining me, and we'll be talking about our

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experience down in Washington, d C. Last Thursday the twenty

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fifth at the Disclosure Form.

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Speaker 1: It was a blast. We had a really good time.

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Speaker 2: So I am bringing in our guests and I'm really

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happy to have him on again. Welcome, go ahead, running.

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We don't want to hear how you say your last name.

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Speaker 3: But whatever you want to call me is no problem.

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Thanks for inviting me again. But happy to be here,

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but happy to speak to your audience.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and I see that you've been extremely active,

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and so I saw that and I thought, wow, I

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got to get you back on. So that's, you know,

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one of the reasons. Pardon me, I'm just adjusting here,

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but that's, you know, the reason I really wanted to

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get you on, because you have your hands full, and

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but I wanted before we even go there.

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Speaker 1: You're new to some of the people here.

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Speaker 2: So I'd like to first of all ask you, you know,

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what made you get into this topic to begin with.

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There's something else you're recovering, and you kind of a

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lot of people get into this by accident, and so

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I'm wondering how you actually got into it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not a UFO guy. For him many time,

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I'm an etronic engineer. I also do a research in physics.

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I work for the government in the energy area, but

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not UFO stuff.

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Speaker 4: And since six.

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Speaker 3: Years ago to eight years ago, started to do some research,

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some field expeditions to see if there is something about

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this phenomena. And I could encounter many word things that

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prove it to me that this was real and I needed.

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Speaker 4: To study more, to dig more.

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Speaker 3: So, sayce at least twenty twenty, in the middle of

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the pandemic, I'm researching a lot, doing some governmental contacts

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to retrieve documents, doing field expeditions from Amazon to the

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Antarctics region. And so this is why I'm here today.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And up the last time we spoke, we talked about

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those flying people and so many people reporting and they

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were horrified and they just you know, those jet packs.

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There are like two hundred thousand dollars. And there were

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some people saying that those were people that were going

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into minds and things like that. But what you know,

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we already covered that. But what I'd like to know

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is what was the outcome? Is that still things still

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ongoing or what's going on there?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just happened in twenty twenty three in Peru.

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We saw these crazy humanoid figures flying.

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Speaker 4: Simotoberrino was there, He visited there.

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Speaker 3: I had a contact with a teacher of the village

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of the indigenous community there and he was able to

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reach the community and hear the first hand testimony about

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these people. These people were being attacked by these humanoids.

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It was like a human, different type of human, with

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some technological stuff below their feet that they could fly

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and they could attack people with different types of instruments.

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Speaker 4: And the people.

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Speaker 3: Were reporting that it couesn't pay because it was happening

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in many, many villages, in many cities inside the Amazon jungle,

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close to Iquitos, that's the capital of the Amazon Forest

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in fact, and it started to call the attention of

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the media and the government. The proven government had to

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take some actions to avoid people.

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Speaker 4: To speak about that.

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Speaker 3: And the justification of the proven government about that, The

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answer was that, oh, nothing to see there. They are

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just illegal miners wearing jet packs to scary people. Wa'ts

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something very very bizarre because if you are an illegal miner,

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you don't want to call attention of people. You want

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to work secretly, and when people discover what you are

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doing this illegal activity, you move to other place and

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you play this hide and seek stuff with the government.

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it has no no, no way they're doing that. So

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this was the explanation about it.

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Speaker 2: So there's never really been a solid explanation on what

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these things were.

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Speaker 4: Never the government totally dismissed it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, what happens and it's happened in Brazil in

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Speaker 4: It happened in Brazil two years ago.

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Speaker 3: Also, when this happens, the government simply pray to these

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things go away because they know these things are waves,

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waves of incidents and they know the governments know that

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they cannot do anything about that. So when does start

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to happen, they simply prayer to these things go away

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because they cannot do anything. So this happened in Brazil,

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that happened in Peru, always the same behavior.

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Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask you a question about what

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you did then and what you're still doing.

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Speaker 1: How do you establish trust with.

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Speaker 2: The indigenous communities and the local residents who shared all

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these accounts I'm talking about from all the way back

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on Peru when you were doing that, to what you're

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recently doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for example, this happened in Peru in twenty twenty three,

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and one year after that, in twenty twenty four, this

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happened in Brazilian Amazon, very close to Peru, the border

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with Peru, but.

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Speaker 4: In a different way.

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Speaker 3: They were not attacking, and they were not seeing humanoids,

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but they are seeing orbs, and these orbs are in

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close contact with them. They were sleeping in the bed

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and the orb appears and they wake up and they

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see the ARBs like three feet from the people, and

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they are completely scared. But no attacks, even when, for example,

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the indigenous leadership tried to do shot gunshots against the orbs,

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simply paralyzed them, and.

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Speaker 4: The orbs didn't attack them.

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Speaker 3: So this was a different type, maybe a different type

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of phenomena different type of behavior of the same phenomenon.

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Speaker 4: So these people trusted me to.

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Speaker 3: Be there in twenty twenty four because they wanted someone

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to document what was happening, because when they asked for

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help for the government, the government's dismisses and say, no,

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you're not seeing anything. I cannot go there. I'm too busy.

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to document, to take photos, to take videos, and show

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for the people what's happening there. So this is why

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they trusted me to go. They asked for help and

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accepted me to go there.

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Speaker 1: I see. That makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 2: So not to get way off track or anything, but

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I'm sure you know that there's you know, James Fox

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did a press conference up in washing DC about the

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Virginia case. I went to that and I really thought

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it was fantastic. And I don't know how much you

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have followed that one in particular, but I it's just

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one of those situations where I say that, you know,

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when I look someone in the eye and talk even

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though we're speaking different language.

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Speaker 1: Great interpreter, but I totally buy their story.

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Speaker 2: I think this really did happen, and there was a

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call recently. I'm going to play a clip in my show,

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my next show where you know, someone from a senate

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person was asking for, you know, some movement on that

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particular case with what we know, because you know, the

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American government moved right in there like the day after

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something crazy, you know, I mean, but so what do

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you think about that case? Have you done any really

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any type of deep dive at all into that or

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looked at it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you remember, the beings were captured by police,

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the firearms and Brazil the firearms are part of the police,

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and the firearms in Brazil are part of the military

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Brazilian army different from the US for example, and they

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were captured by these bodies. They were s to the

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hospital to take exams, to take some procedures, and all

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the people in the city saw that military, the civilians,

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from the people that lived there, the physicians.

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Speaker 4: We have plenty hundreds of testimonials about this case.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, a few came forward to talk about it because

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they are very afraid.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people were threatened by the military. And

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Speaker 3: This case in nineteen ninety six when it's happened at

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that time, the militaries gave two explanations about what happened.

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The first one was this guy, this brown alien that

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people that the girls see, and many people saw, this

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brown alien was simply a person with disabilities that was

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crouched and the guy was dirty with mud, so just

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because he was brown and he was like that because

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it had rained a lot. But first, and this explanation

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is the official explanation of the Brazilian army. This explanation

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is an official document of the Brazilian Army. Okay, what

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turns things more bizarre and the explanation is completely wrong. First,

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because all the city knows this guy.

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Speaker 4: With the abilities. The girls knew him.

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Speaker 3: It's someone that all the city was very they used

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so they knew him. And second, this reign that they

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call it, this storm that happened after the sighting of

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the girls, So it's not related with this guy being

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covered in muddy and so on. So this first explanation,

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the second explanation is why people saw the army entering

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and invading and stopping everything at the hospitals of the city.

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Speaker 4: The woman it was a couple.

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Speaker 3: The woman was pregnant, and this is why we stopped

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everything at the hospital. We this is justifies the presence

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Speaker 4: Army in the hospital.

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Speaker 3: This couple of dwarves, what's even more bizarre than the

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person with disabilities. So for me, they gave in the

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Brazilian arm gaving these explanations is something like, oh, I

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wanted to tell the truth, but I cannot because it's

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sobets are And anyone that see the explanation see that

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doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 4: So anyone that see.

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Speaker 3: This explanation says, okay, they are trying to say something

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because it doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: So it's like they were nanting.

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Speaker 3: The Brazilian Army wants to talk the truth, but they cannot,

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maybe because they have agreement with US. And we know

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by the military themselves that something was transported to the

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US because we had used have airplane and we know

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the military that authorize this military airplane to come to

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San Paulo in a city very close to Virginia, and

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from this military airplane, two helicopters were sent to bring

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boxes to be loaded in this military US airplane that

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flew back to US. So maybe because there is an

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agreement the military, the Brazil military cannot talk anything about that.

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Speaker 4: So I diget a lot about this case.

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Speaker 3: I interviewed many people, interviewed the girls again, I interviewed

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on other person's there, and I released the documentary about that,

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colored the Dark Side of UFOs in Brazil.

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Speaker 4: It's on my channel.

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Speaker 3: I will release publicly, but for some time it will

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be on my channel, my membership area, but in some

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months it will release for anyone. So it's there. It's

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called Dark Side of UFOs in Brazil. Power, Money and Rituals,

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because we have a big coincidence about the Virginia incident.

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was a very powerful farmer there, a ranger there that

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owns maybe thirty percent of all the lands in Virginia,

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and he performed was performing very divanced black magic rituals

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there and for many times people say that this guy

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was summony, non human intelligence, someone in creatures there. And

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this was one big coincidence that I digged a lot

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that maybe could be one of the ingredients to explain

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why these creatures happened there, and never more had any

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incident about that in Brazil and any part of the world.

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lot about the physicians because another coincidence, and I don't

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believe anything is coincidence whatever, but a lot of physicians

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are that saw the creature, that reform and procedures on

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the creature. They are part of the same institution. It's

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something like a Masonic institute called Provida or pro Life

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in English. So it's a Masonic like institute composed for

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in many levels to expand consciousness and.

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Speaker 4: There they train remote viewing and other stuff.

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Speaker 3: So this is something else that adds more wordiness to

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this case of Virginia. And this explain part because some

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of these physicians don't want to come forward to talk about.

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Ritolo and two or three others, but we have plenty

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of dozens of physicians that saw the creature, that are

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involved in the thing, and they doesn't want to come forward,

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have some type of agreement to don't talk about that.

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Speaker 4: And maybe could explain why doctor Ritter.

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Speaker 3: Ventorelle that went to us with James Fox is talking

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something some part that doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 4: So I believe doctor Ritolo is.

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Speaker 3: Talking the truth in part, but changing some details, maybe

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because of influence of this institute and something like that.

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but I try to in some minutes to put the

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more important aspects of that.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope that you know, there's always been a

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rumor or you know, I've talked with James Fox a

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lot about this, and that the video, the original video

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is somewhere and he has been working with the doctor

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who passed away, the widow, the wife of the with

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the person that passed away, the doctor that supposedly has

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at least pictures when she does.

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Speaker 1: Not want to like go of them no matter what.

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Speaker 2: So I hope they're on a really good safe walking.

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I'm having a little bit of technical troubles with my camera.

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I'm not sure what that's about. I may I may

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try to change some settings to see what happens here,

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but anyway, we'll just move on. And so that case

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I think is really really special myself. But you have

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gone all through the Amazon do you want to talk

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about Oh? And also is your the documentary that you made.

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Speaker 5: Is it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's translated. I have English subtitles. So have the

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the Portuguese version and the version translated with subtitles in English.

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Speaker 2: Oh great, So that's good to know. And I will

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link that in the show notes for anyone.

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Speaker 1: To see that.

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Speaker 2: So okay, So yep, so that is That's excellent because

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I've saw that a lot of people were talking very

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highly of it. Looks like you did a really, really

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good job. So what is the the purpose of the

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most recent Amazon mission that you have done?

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Speaker 3: As the purpose was to collect, to document, to collect images,

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to try to collect the interview of these indigenous that

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were basiness to the event, and I was not expecting

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to see any UAP there. But in fact what happened

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is that the more I started the cameras, because I

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brought a lot of cameras, thermal cameras, authorized cameras there.

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I brought sixty kilos of equipment there with sensors, cameras

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to collect data. And the more I started the equipment,

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the more I started the cameras, the more the penlomers

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start to approach from what I was doing, and we

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were able to see many orbs in close contacts there.

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Some of them were recorded in video, but the most

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astonished evidence it was impossible to collect because of the

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phenomenon was causing some kind of interference in our equipment.

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Speaker 4: And for example, that one video that.

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Speaker 3: I recorded and I was playing that video, it was

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completely crazy the things that.

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Speaker 4: Were in that video.

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Speaker 3: And when I was playing that to see to watch

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at the same time something but my video recorder offline

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and when it turned back five minutes later, it was

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completely noisy, completely disturbed. It was what the video was modified.

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to get a drone to reach two meters from the ORB,

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six feet from this ORB, and I was not able

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to record. The image was all black and I have

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eight minutes all black image and it was impossible to

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record this ORB in a close, close, close proximity. So

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these are examples about what happened there. But I was

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satisfied at the final with what they could get many interviews,

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sometimes some images of these orbs, and that was a

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great expedition.

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Speaker 1: Wow, really there was.

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Speaker 2: Is that the situation where he called it the five

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cameras situation. You had five cameras or is that a

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whole other thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I brought five, five or six cameras that there to

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document that, and some of these cameras were able to

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capture these orbs. This was the And also I started

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sensor I stalled infrasound sensors, magnetic sensors, OUTSI radio antennas,

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all types of sensors that you can imagine.

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Speaker 4: I started there. Unfortunately, after I leave.

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Speaker 3: I left the village, they had a problem because all

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the energy that is supplied by solar panels it's literally

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in the middle of the forest when I installed it,

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and they had the problems with batteries, they had problems

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with the electrical equipment. So scenes like one year and

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a half ago, I don't have any signal about the

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feet of the cameras, and I don't see any solution.

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Speaker 4: Then to go back sometime.

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Speaker 3: Maybe if the phenomena happens again, to try to fix

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or try to repair what's there.

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Speaker 2: Boy, you know, it always seems like you hear about

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that so many times, where there's disturbance that you know

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will knock things out. You know, I remember talking when

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I very first looked into this, was talking to a

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researcher that had a big triangle floating right over her

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head and all the camera equipment, all the batteries.

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Speaker 1: Went dead immediately. They just went fast trained.

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Speaker 2: They were at full batteries when they got out of

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the truck out into the cornfield, and then when the

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thing flew over, all the batteries were dead.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't even explain those types of things. Amazing.

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Speaker 2: So what about the scientific papers. I know that you

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had mentioned some scientific papers. I do believe correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I publish a scientific paper with Tin Lomas from Havad.

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It is about how do you measure the level of evidence?

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And this was very good. It was accepted in a

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top tier level scientific journal. And we are planning to

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do more with maybe with the Brazilian data, and we're

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trying to see what we can do in the future

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and also planning in something with Brazilian resources also to

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publish something in the future.

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Speaker 4: Right right now, we are typing.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to establish a methodology, how we collect data,

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how we do we set up the experiments, how we

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calibrate to instruments, and the second step would be do

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these experiments to collect data. So we are in the

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base We are in the foundational step to try to

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establish the methodology because it's a very new area, and

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logically we feed from other jobs like Galileo and other

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people that are doing this, and after.

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Speaker 4: That we'll start to collect data.

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Speaker 1: I see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to meet Avi Lobe for the first

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time at down in Washington.

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Speaker 1: Last week as well.

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Speaker 2: He's been doing It's really amazing that someone like him

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this just wouldn't happen before. I'm talking about before twenty seventeen,

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the New York Times article. Everyone feels more relaxed. The

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science is starting to take a serious look in this.

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You know, I sometimes feel discouraged, like what type of

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movement are we truly making in the UFO do? I

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want to use the word disclosure Ali, But it seems

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that we seem to be in a little bit different

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times now and I'm going to be talking about that.

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So anyone who is watching the show, please check out

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our UFO headlines coming up right after this at nine pm.

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So what about the Type two and Type three orange spheres?

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Can you explain what those were that you saw?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I don't do this kind of classification. I just call

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them orbs. What I can I say about that is

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that in the Amazon forest I was what was witnessing

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was orange to red orbs. They were from the size

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veries from.

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Speaker 4: Three feet to six feet in diameter.

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Speaker 3: And as I said, they were not showing any aggression behavior,

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aggressive behavior against the indigenous or against us. It was

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only observing people observing. For example, observing that was one

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incident where I was stalling the cameras. It was the

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last days I was there. I were there and this arb.

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Speaker 4: Descended.

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Speaker 3: It was two feet from the ground, it was six

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feet from us, and it.

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Speaker 4: Was like observing us what we were.

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Speaker 3: Doing, and it wanted it seemed that it wanted us

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to see this orb because when you look at it,

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it just went away to a top of a tree

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and stay there. So this one why I was able

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to get my drone and put my drone in the

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air and try to record it. So the phenomena wanted

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to was it seemed to be curious about what I

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was doing there and wanted to be seen.

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Speaker 1: Also, wow, and did you actually get to film it?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the documentary had I have a documentary about that.

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It's released, it's public. You can put YouTube phenomena in

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Amazon Indigenous Encounters if you put if you search for

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this words, you can see you can watch this documentary.

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People loved it and gave very positive feedback about it.

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And documentary have English sabititles also, so your English audience

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could watch it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I mentioned before, up that link right in

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the show notes, so everybody who either listens to the

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podcast or watch the podcast can get to that. Just

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have to click on show notes and wow. And so

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what are you currently working on right now or what's

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your next adventure?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we are working on this cloud Jo incident. Cloudo

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is a city in the same state of Vagina is

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the state of Miniaget Eyes in a seat of the

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same state. We had twenty six incidents where dozens of

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military policemen were able to chase It's not only UFOs,

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but beings and three types of beings luminous, great type beings,

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small and ones and tall ones and now brown beings

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like the Virginia. We don't know if it's the same,

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but the characteristics are the same. And they did it

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not one or two, but twenty six times. We have

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an official report released. It's on the UAPEPRESU site. I

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can send you a link so you can share with

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your audience, and right now, twenty years after this incident,

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the commander, a lieutenant colonel, came forward in an official

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event of the military police in uniform to say, yes,

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it was real. I commended these operations. We are not alone.

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We chased these beings. And I think it's the first

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time in history that official uniform, a military uniform, in

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official event, in front of his colleagues, in front of

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the Brazilian military, in front of his commander.

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Speaker 4: He talked about that. He talks something about that, and

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you talk more.

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Speaker 3: He's retrying right now, and I'm in conversation with the

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Brazilian Senate to after the elections we have the presidential

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action in October. We are in conversations with Senate staff

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to have finally the first public wip hearing where we'll

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have this military coming forward to speak there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is so great.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, the luminous figures are that sounds really very interesting.

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And wasn't there something about an object as well at

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the same time, Yes.

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Speaker 3: There were, there were the important vehicles there, arms and

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vehicles that mood colored objects. Sometimes these objects were like

482
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,480
they describe it, like a buzz, like a luminous bus.

483
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,799
With these lights going around, changing lights and changing colors.

484
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,640
And this is what they reported together with these beings.

485
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,000
And important to say that all the military had physiological effects.

486
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,680
They had they get completely the hydratated, they were completely

487
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,559
affected their minds, they could not reach the pistol guns,

488
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,319
they could not record in sometimes in some occasions. And

489
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:18,680
most of the material was collected by the Brazilian Air Force.

490
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Speaker 4: The Brazilian Forest.

491
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:24,519
Speaker 3: Went there and the briefit all the military and collected

492
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,599
all the materials, all the videos, all the drownings, and

493
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,119
this is what happened there. And this, this involvement about

494
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:34,480
the Brazilian Air Force is something you want to discuss

495
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:37,119
also in these Brazilian UEP hearings.

496
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 1: Excellent.

497
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Speaker 2: Well, one of the things I think of is anytime

498
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:45,359
you were talking about jungle, you're talking about something very

499
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,559
very noisy. All the insects and mostly insects, but the

500
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,240
animals and things are all making noise. So did you

501
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,759
ever notice anything change when there was something going on,

502
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,400
like did it ever get silent?

503
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: It's hard to say because when we were in close

504
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:11,240
contact with this phenomena, we were so foxed to observe them. Yes, uh,

505
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,039
And we're not paying attention in fact to the environment.

506
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,000
So it's difficult to say if I noted the environment stopped.

507
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,240
For example, what can I say is the video we

508
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,240
don't hear in the video the noise and forest is

509
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,480
something very noisy, and in.

510
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,759
Speaker 4: This video you cannot see many sounds.

511
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:35,039
Speaker 3: So maybe this happened, but I'm not sure I had

512
00:30:35,079 --> 00:30:38,720
not there started a very good microphone there to capture

513
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,559
the sound. It's something that if I went back there,

514
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,680
I certainly would do bring a good microphone to capture

515
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,799
the silence, because the microphone itself is a very good

516
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:50,880
sensor to see if.

517
00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:51,599
Speaker 4: The phenomena is there.

518
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: For example, if it's there is no noisy in a

519
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:58,599
forest that very noisy, you know that something happened probably

520
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,960
and and so this is what we could do.

521
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,079
Speaker 2: Then do you have like a single strongest piece of

522
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,519
evidence that you think is really solid so far? I mean,

523
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
I guess I'll ask you what your strongest evidence is

524
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,440
a video evidence.

525
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: I don't have any material that you could prove anything,

526
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920
because I think to prove something we need a lot

527
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,880
of data. We need in size, we need hapetability, we

528
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:34,000
need to perform experiments to have repeatable data and we need,

529
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,400
for example, to capture the spectro p of these lights

530
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,880
with a spectrometer to see the spectrum of the wavelength

531
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,000
of this light, to see the nature of these lights.

532
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 4: To provoke this is a really anomalous light and not

533
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:49,759
a normal light.

534
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,119
Speaker 3: We need to do other sensors data and for Toolately,

535
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,200
when I captured this phenomena, I only had started the

536
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,319
cameras and not the sensors. I started the sense source

537
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,480
after I started the cameras, so I was not collecting

538
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,880
and sensor data when this phenomenon appeared to manifest closer.

539
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,920
And what's interesting is that after I started the sensors,

540
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,240
the phenomenons stopped the manifestations.

541
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,559
Speaker 4: So it's something.

542
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 3: Like it's interesting because maybe the phenomenon doesn't want me

543
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:22,720
to collect a lot of data, only a part of it,

544
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,079
so I could not prove scientifically anything because if I

545
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:31,000
have the camera, I have magnetic effects, I have nuclear effects,

546
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,759
I have radio wave data, have infrasound data.

547
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: Maybe I could have some solid data to.

548
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 3: Publish scientifically, and the phenomenon maybe didn't want that.

549
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:45,559
Speaker 4: So the next.

550
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,319
Speaker 3: Step would be established a methodologist to establish what instruments

551
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:53,480
I need, try to capture these orbs in more events

552
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,240
and see the nature.

553
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,519
Speaker 4: Of the light.

554
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,519
Speaker 3: What I have in the documentary is only the video

555
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:00,960
very good videos.

556
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:03,799
Speaker 4: For me, is one of the best videos ever captured.

557
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 3: Not the best, but one of the best because it

558
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,279
is in zoom, is centralized. You can see these arms perfectly.

559
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,440
It's not a distant light, but the light that is

560
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,000
feeling almost all the screen in zoom, so you can

561
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:24,680
see perfectly. But I don't have other data like meganetometer,

562
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:28,680
like the spectroscopy and all the data.

563
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:31,599
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully you'll have more people after they see your

564
00:33:31,599 --> 00:33:35,200
work that will come in and do some help for

565
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,279
with you. And you know, I think this is really fascinating.

566
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,279
And you know, one of the things I think about

567
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:47,319
is you know, when you is there any of this

568
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,920
phenomena that you think is just in your area on

569
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,880
the Amazon or do you think it's all part of

570
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,720
you know, what people are seeing all over the world.

571
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,759
What I'm trying to say, is there anything you think

572
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:06,839
is like just in the Amazon, like those foggy figures,

573
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:09,760
luminous figures.

574
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:11,199
Speaker 4: I don't believe that.

575
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:16,199
Speaker 3: For example, I had an experience in two thousand twenty

576
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,199
three in the Ata Kama desert in Chile where I

577
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,679
was able to witness these luminous humanoids there. I was

578
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,760
there with some researchers from the Catholic University from Chile

579
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,800
and they were doing expeditions and they invited me to

580
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:37,440
go there and we were able to witnesses this phenomenon.

581
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,639
And I think something that you can see globally, but

582
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,719
that manifests more in these very exhalated areas like the

583
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,000
Attakama Desert, like the Amazon forest, and even in Aris

584
00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,440
there's a tough arizona. In other parts as a lated

585
00:34:55,559 --> 00:35:00,039
for example US and I think this is the the

586
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:04,599
reason why do people don't see very often this phenomena,

587
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,679
because people don't go to spend the night at these

588
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,840
very resolated places, and many of people don't have any

589
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,639
courage to go there, and you know it's sometimes it's

590
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,079
dangerous to do this kind of stuff. So I think

591
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:21,079
this is the reason we are not witness But I

592
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,320
think it's a global phenomena.

593
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 4: I don't think Brazil is not special about that.

594
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,079
Speaker 3: We have many phenomena in Peru. Peru is a place

595
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:35,400
that have also craziest things, including these humanoids. But what

596
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,800
we can speculate is why we have these aggressive waves

597
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:47,159
in Brazil, for example, like Operational Prato, and in other

598
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,119
cases where we have attacks like in these indigenous villags

599
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:53,599
between twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, we have had attacks

600
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,320
in these villages very close to this one I visited,

601
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,800
and we don't have this kind of thing happening, for example,

602
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:03,119
in in communities in US have some dangerous things in

603
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:08,440
the skin cockerage sometimes but not light sending light beings

604
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,960
and burning people for example, taking blood, collecting blood from

605
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,480
people like we saw in the Operation Plateau in nineteen

606
00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:19,679
seventy seven, and where you saw in the other cases

607
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,800
in Brazil where people were burned, for example.

608
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: So maybe you could expeculate something about that.

609
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:29,559
Speaker 3: Maybe I believe that part of this phenomena could be

610
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:35,679
really physical, including the physical vehicles that US and other

611
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,559
countries could have constructed like China that are very exotic.

612
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:43,639
Speaker 4: And they seem to be no.

613
00:36:43,639 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 3: Human intelligence but are human technology, but exotic human technology.

614
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:52,800
And also maybe physical intelligence coming from the seas, coming

615
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,800
from the water with very high technological stuff. But I

616
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,679
think most have seen like this, some thing like something

617
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:06,039
that we call interdimensional, something that's from is coming from

618
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:06,880
another reality.

619
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: And maybe we.

620
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,599
Speaker 3: Have our physical reality and these things are coming from

621
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,119
a non physical reality or anti material reality.

622
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 4: And projecting here in some way.

623
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,199
Speaker 3: Sometimes what we are seeing is not the real shape,

624
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,039
the real form of this phenomena. Maybe they're coming from

625
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,039
from a world where it's not a physical world, but

626
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:30,400
the informational world.

627
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,039
Speaker 4: And this could explain why.

628
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: This Nhi summoney, Why these rituals, why these prayers. It's

629
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:43,159
very common for me to receive incidents of UAP in

630
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:48,840
top of mountain where Christians are preying. And I believe

631
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:54,760
that this happens because we in a mature world, expressing emotions,

632
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,239
expressing h information, because emotions are at the end of

633
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,079
the day, just information. We are emanating the information.

634
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:11,599
Speaker 5: And this is uh some kind of way and creating

635
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,159
some resonance with this no material reality where maybe these

636
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:20,360
beings are coming and these emotions emanage there and rare

637
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,679
reflected here in a material consequence. So this is maybe

638
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,000
why this Nhi summon in the cfive, these rituals, these

639
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:34,960
prayers emanates and in consequence creates the phenomena here, these

640
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,320
projections of the phenomena here in our reality. So maybe

641
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,719
I think part of the ARBs and some crazy stuff

642
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:42,400
that we are seeing.

643
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,639
Speaker 3: Is this is what's happening. And when, for example, this

644
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,760
policy military are interacting are close to these beings, these

645
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,280
luminous beings, for example, it's like they are here physically,

646
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,599
but they are not because they cannot control their bodies,

647
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:04,239
and the surroundings are a little different. It's our physical

648
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,800
reality but a little different. So maybe we have in

649
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:13,400
these cases some kind of merge of different types of realities,

650
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,320
our material world with their road.

651
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: Sometimes for some reason, we have this merge. And this is.

652
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: Why we have some similar similarities also with the sleep paralysis,

653
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,079
because I think sleep paralysis is something like that when

654
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,199
we are paralyzed, we are seeing the room, we are

655
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,280
seeing our bedroom around, but we also are seeing.

656
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: Things and I cannot move my body. And maybe this

657
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:38,880
is happening.

658
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 3: Because at this time I'm here sleeping in my physical body,

659
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,760
but at the same time I'm not here because my

660
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,119
consciousness is not here in this physical world. So this

661
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,079
is happening in this merge between the physical and nown

662
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:57,360
physical reality. So in some cases I believe this could happen.

663
00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:01,199
We have these emanations of co we have these feelings,

664
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:04,559
we have this outer state of consciousness creating a couple

665
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,840
with this no physical reality where these beings live.

666
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: Now, as far as the entities for the indigenous people

667
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:18,719
in the communities, what are they describing the phenomena as.

668
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,840
Do they ever talk about the possibility of extraterrestrial Do

669
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,199
they think it's demonic, spiritual, natural or something else?

670
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,039
Speaker 3: Entirely, they believe in the beings from the forest and

671
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:36,159
the Kodio things that these orbs were not coming from

672
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:36,639
the space.

673
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 4: They're coming from the forest.

674
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:45,199
Speaker 3: And what's not normal for them is these beings from

675
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,679
the forest, these spirits from the forest come to our

676
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:54,239
world because they use aauaska for example, or connect.

677
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: Them with these beings from this world.

678
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,599
Speaker 3: So we humans go there using aauaska, you were able

679
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:04,760
to go there to the world where these beings are leaving.

680
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: And what for them is not common.

681
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: They never had this experience until these days two years ago.

682
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:16,760
Is these beings come to their realities and appear there.

683
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,559
So the interpretation why not extraterrestrial is like some beings

684
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:23,800
or spirits from the forest.

685
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 2: It's been wonderful. I unfortunately we have to cut the

686
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,119
show a little bit short. Usually I go fifty five

687
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:34,239
another ten minutes or so, but I have another show

688
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,199
coming up after this, so, like I mentioned, the number

689
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:41,360
of times, I'll put your documentary linked. And it's been

690
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:43,559
such a pleasure to have you on again, and I

691
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:48,039
hope that you'll consider coming back again because I felt

692
00:41:48,039 --> 00:41:49,840
like the time is way too short, and the next

693
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,960
time I have you on, I can plan it so

694
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:53,159
to be a lot longer than this.

695
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you Martin for the invitation, thanks for the audience,

696
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,280
and I hope to be back again.

697
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:00,679
Speaker 4: Thank you.

698
00:42:01,159 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so you take care, all right, everyone,

699
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,119
So just if you would check out our YouTube channel

700
00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:11,320
if you were watching this live, and just jump right

701
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,239
over to the UFO headlines. We'll be back in less

702
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,440
than fifteen minutes. I got to do a little more

703
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,119
preparation for that, and we'll be ready to go. I'll

704
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,119
be joined by four other people, So hang in and

705
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,960
thank you for being here tonight, and remember to keep

706
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,559
your eyes to this