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Speaker 2: and today joining us once again for the at least
Speaker 2: six times. Emily Moore, Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be here with you, my friend,
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure. What did you do to get demonetized?
Speaker 3: Was it the show at Thomas No?
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I know the boundaries that I can
Speaker 2: navigate upon. I have mastered the art of what they
Speaker 2: call YouTube and the algorithmic AI overlords. It was It
Speaker 2: was a stupid true, they said I was. It wasn't
Speaker 2: technically anything I posted, by the way, but they said
Speaker 2: I was praising terrorist organizations, which I'm gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and bleep that out of this is because that's what
Speaker 2: I got hit with. So apparently I was praising terrorist
Speaker 2: organizations and what they say, Yeah, terroristic threats and some
Speaker 2: stupid shit like that. I don't know, something dumb that
Speaker 2: I obviously wasn't doing because I love the government, and I.
Speaker 3: Don't even think I've ever heard you talk about like
Speaker 3: politics or geopolitics or any of that shit.
Speaker 2: Again, I think that politics and all of that, I
Speaker 2: think it's part of this mind control they have over people.
Speaker 2: I don't lean okay, I'm lying. If I lean any
Speaker 2: sort of way, it's probably conservative based on my ideas.
Speaker 2: But when I look at a certain party or candidate, right,
Speaker 2: because everyone's like, oh, either Trump this or Trump that,
Speaker 2: I lean more towards what makes sense to me. Right.
Speaker 2: If I see something makes sense to me and my idea,
Speaker 2: I go with that. I am not like I'm the
Speaker 2: only time I voted, I voted for Barack Obama. I
Speaker 2: think the second time around or the first time around,
Speaker 2: I'm actually I'm actually registered as a Democrat technically, okay,
Speaker 2: So but again I haven't voted since because you start
Speaker 2: to once you wake up and start realizing the fake
Speaker 2: and gay matrix, you start to go, oh, I see
Speaker 2: what they're doing. So they do this every four years,
Speaker 2: Like this is the same thing every four years.
Speaker 4: Right, and here we are celebration.
Speaker 2: Yes, So Emily, before we get into it, where can
Speaker 2: people find you and your show?
Speaker 4: My YouTube channel is my name Emily Moyer. From there
Speaker 4: you can find your way to all the other stuff.
Speaker 3: I have a bunch of different offerings on Patreon, Patreon
Speaker 3: dot com, forward Slash, off planet Media, a few different
Speaker 3: lobuls pages, but the main one is Emilymoyer dot locals
Speaker 3: dot com. And I post just a very small amount
Speaker 3: of stuff on Rockman anymore because I have no idea
Speaker 3: what's going on over there, and that is Rockman dot com,
Speaker 3: Forward Slash, Emily Moyre.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I have lots of different shows and concepts with
Speaker 3: different co hosts and with guests, and I was hoping
Speaker 3: it would be ready by April, but now it's probably
Speaker 3: not going to be till June, if I'm honest with myself.
Speaker 3: I'm also going to be putting out my first solo
Speaker 3: project series this year that I'm working hard on right now,
Speaker 3: and it's going to have it's it's like I've never
Speaker 3: been one to do like the sort of solo show
Speaker 3: where you talk to yourself into black hole for an
Speaker 3: hour and a half or two hours. But I think
Speaker 3: I've reached the point in my career here where the
Speaker 3: next project requires that. So I'm working on that and
Speaker 3: that should be ready to really kick off publicly.
Speaker 4: I think in June I might have some some sort of.
Speaker 3: Early on sort of like preemptive episodes, like sort of
Speaker 3: like a prologue type of things that I just put
Speaker 3: up for supporters until I kind of get comfortable doing it,
Speaker 3: but then probably around.
Speaker 4: June or so they'll start to see it pop up.
Speaker 2: Do you struggle with the solo stuff, Well, it's just that.
Speaker 3: I didn't do it right, Like I didn't even mean
Speaker 3: to start doing this right. Like I just was a
Speaker 3: guest on Randy's podcast and then we decided we'd do
Speaker 3: like a show together once a month, and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, I was the producer and the co host,
Speaker 3: and then I've been doing this ever since, and so
Speaker 3: it was always with either a co host or a guest,
Speaker 3: or co host and a guest, And I don't even
Speaker 3: think I ever did my first solo video for anything
Speaker 3: other than an announcement until like in January twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: when they were like revoking Novak Djokovic's travel visa in
Speaker 3: Australia because I didn't have the poke and the poke right,
Speaker 3: I made about a thirty five or four minute solo
Speaker 3: video about Novak.
Speaker 4: Djokovic, and that was the first time I ever.
Speaker 3: Even did anything sort of publicly by myself. I've done
Speaker 3: a couple of solo live streams, which feels a little
Speaker 3: more comfortable to me because at least there's a chat
Speaker 3: room going so you can see, you can judge whether
Speaker 3: what you're saying is landing. But I think I've become
Speaker 3: completely attuned to being able to look at the face
Speaker 3: of the person I'm talking to, either the co host
Speaker 3: or the guest, and see if what I'm saying registers,
Speaker 3: if what seems clear to me actually is clear to
Speaker 3: another person, and using that sort of as a Q
Speaker 3: for where to go next or or what I need
Speaker 3: to let them, you know, slow down and explain or whatnot.
Speaker 3: So just talking to myself in the in the box
Speaker 3: because I already know what I think I already know
Speaker 3: if I understand myself not right, it's like sometimes.
Speaker 4: The different skill and so i'm I'm I'm having to
Speaker 4: learn that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it is, it is. It does help
Speaker 2: having a co host because yeah, you can bounce ideas
Speaker 2: and talking. That's how you go down these rabbit holes
Speaker 2: and tangent. I like tangents because they not because they
Speaker 2: fill air, but sometimes they bring up interesting concepts, right,
Speaker 2: like interesting things to talk about, So it does help.
Speaker 2: And I admire people like the dark journalists who can
Speaker 2: just go on and on and on for what feels
Speaker 2: like hours. But also they do that for a living,
Speaker 2: so it would make sense that they would have time
Speaker 2: to research, have notes. One hundred percent they probably have
Speaker 2: notes because that's what they do for a living. Again,
Speaker 2: if you could put the time in, then so be it. Right.
Speaker 2: So are the files out yet? What's going on? Have you?
Speaker 2: Do you have any thoughts on this whole eighty thousand
Speaker 2: pages the JFK assassination coming out?
Speaker 3: I have no thoughts on that one hard right, like
Speaker 3: it is what like I am at this point? I mean,
Speaker 3: we're in this sort of conundrum here right where it's
Speaker 3: like we've we've somehow whether we were programmed to do
Speaker 3: this or whether this was our rejection of the program.
Speaker 3: We go searching for evidence that we believe is hidden,
Speaker 3: and somehow we've been like, we've been convinced that that
Speaker 3: means documents, right, which there's nothing easier in the world to.
Speaker 4: Fucking fabricate than the documents. Right.
Speaker 3: And so as I'm preparing my series, like it's based
Speaker 3: on documents on some level, right, which I'm also going
Speaker 3: to bring into questions. So it's going to there's gonna
Speaker 3: be sort of a portion of the series that is
Speaker 3: going to be based on the information in the documents,
Speaker 3: and then there's going to be another portion of the
Speaker 3: series that it's going to be, you know, the paywall
Speaker 3: portion where I say.
Speaker 4: What I think is really going on.
Speaker 3: Here, right, that is, you know, maybe using the documents
Speaker 3: as like a loose framework or scaffolding.
Speaker 4: But I think at this point they want us to
Speaker 4: find the documents. They're not hiding the documents, right.
Speaker 3: The point is to get people to find the documents,
Speaker 3: to want the documents, to request the documents, to waste
Speaker 3: time and money and hours making foyer requests and all
Speaker 3: of this kind of stuff, right, And then when the
Speaker 3: documents come, they're either redacted. They don't contain what you
Speaker 3: think they're going to contain, or everything in them we
Speaker 3: already know.
Speaker 4: And so like, it's been a lot of build up
Speaker 4: to nothing with a lot of these kinds of things.
Speaker 3: I personally think that, you know, documents are created intentionally
Speaker 3: to be to steer the conversation rather than the documents
Speaker 3: being kept from us to control the conversation.
Speaker 2: One but and that's the thing, right because I recently
Speaker 2: interviewed a JFKs so terrorisist I guess you could call him.
Speaker 2: He's been studying the JFK and writing about government psyops
Speaker 2: and things of this nature for over thirty five years,
Speaker 2: Larry Hancock. And that was one of the things I
Speaker 2: asked him. I go, how can you trust right source?
Speaker 2: Trust me? Bro, Well, how can you trust the source?
Speaker 2: Which we know the source is the source that's been
Speaker 2: lying to us this entire time, But yet we're gonna
Speaker 2: take those documents for what they actually are. How do
Speaker 2: you determine? And then he even told me that some
Speaker 2: of the documents, in order to keep them away and
Speaker 2: out of hands of other foreign powers, they're kind of
Speaker 2: sort of written in code, right, aliases and things of
Speaker 2: that nature. So how can you even trust the source?
Speaker 2: Now you can get super crazy with that where I
Speaker 2: guess that would be black pilled where nothing is real? Right,
Speaker 2: is that like black pilled where everything's faking gay? Or
Speaker 2: is that a whole nother pill?
Speaker 3: I mean no, I mean I think you could consider
Speaker 3: that sort of black build where there's like black pild
Speaker 3: is more like there's no hope, right, Like you're so
Speaker 3: created that there's no And I think like on some level,
Speaker 3: like some people think of.
Speaker 4: That as being like negative and I'm just.
Speaker 3: Like, well, once we have no hope for any answers
Speaker 3: from these people, we can just move on with our lives,
Speaker 3: which is very helpful.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: This is like my favorite one is that you have
Speaker 3: all these people who don't trust anything the government says,
Speaker 3: but they're demanding disclosure from the government.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So like if suddenly the government tells you that
Speaker 3: there's aliens and they're you know, shacking up at the
Speaker 3: White House, Like, are you gonna believe that just because
Speaker 3: like I don't understand, right, you don't trust anything the
Speaker 3: government says, but you're demanding that they disclose the answer
Speaker 3: that you want, right, Like, wouldn't that invalidate the answer
Speaker 3: that you say you're looking for based on your previous philosophy.
Speaker 2: I would say so yeah, but it gives it some
Speaker 2: sort of legitimacy once you hear from the government, right,
Speaker 2: because well they kind of sort of run everything.
Speaker 4: Right, So, but but it's legitimacy of what not the truth.
Speaker 4: If the government says is a lie, then the disclosure
Speaker 4: not the truth.
Speaker 3: It's just the validation of what. It's weird like this
Speaker 3: is this is you know, this gets to the place
Speaker 3: of like mommy, daddy, government, Like you and I both
Speaker 3: have things we probably don't care about, don't like doing
Speaker 3: it for some reason, it's important to our parents, and
Speaker 3: so you do it. Okay, it's nice to have a validation,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't make you like the thing or make
Speaker 3: the threeing true or right or good or whatever. It's
Speaker 3: like the same thing. We're in that same stupid infantile relationship, right.
Speaker 3: I mean, I hope I'm not, and I don't think
Speaker 3: you are. But like some of these people with this,
Speaker 3: you know, wanting disclosure and the documents and you know,
Speaker 3: like transparency and all of this kind of stuff, Like
Speaker 3: I think we are so far past any point where
Speaker 3: really any of that would even be helpful, that like
Speaker 3: the biggest thing is just to sort of turn around
Speaker 3: and walk away from me what I'm finding as I
Speaker 3: dig into because like the idea for my series comes
Speaker 3: from I supposed trove of documents, right, Like, here's the
Speaker 3: thing that's really weird. Right, Okay, So the bulk of
Speaker 3: my online media career has been really dealing with topics
Speaker 3: that emanated from my interest and my research into m Caltra. Right,
Speaker 3: And there's the story that like, you know, once they
Speaker 3: sort of got caught and they understood that there was
Speaker 3: going to be an investigation and hearing which became like
Speaker 3: the church committee that they were in.
Speaker 4: You know, the documents were destroyed.
Speaker 3: But so isn't it weird that the only documents that
Speaker 3: are left, the documents that are left are ones that
Speaker 3: indict them as having done something evil or having done
Speaker 3: something dark or bad or wrong. There's no like you'd
Speaker 3: think that those would be the documents that you destroy.
Speaker 3: And if you are just gonna leave around some stuff,
Speaker 3: it would either be all redacted or it would be
Speaker 3: something that made it seem like it was something different
Speaker 3: than what it was, or that was at least a balance.
Speaker 3: But like there's a lot of incriminating both financially and
Speaker 3: incriminating in terms of what the claimed point was information
Speaker 3: in the documents left behind. Okay, so it is in
Speaker 3: my mind at this point, no, if people have to
Speaker 3: know about this at all, we want them to think
Speaker 3: about it one way, and that one way that we
Speaker 3: want them to think.
Speaker 4: About it as is as.
Speaker 3: A some sort of suppressive or oppressive, weaponized program against
Speaker 3: the population. And I'm not saying that's not true, but
Speaker 3: what I am saying is there is a likelihood that
Speaker 3: that might be true, but not the point, right And
Speaker 3: I know, based on what those documents claim to have
Speaker 3: been studying, that it's impossible that they only returned the
Speaker 3: results that those documents say they were looking for, right, Like,
Speaker 3: lots of other things would have happened too.
Speaker 4: And some of.
Speaker 3: Those other things I know for sure are definitely not
Speaker 3: weaponized or negative. They ranged from weaponized to negative to
Speaker 3: neutral to positive and beneficial to fucking mind blowingly what
Speaker 3: the fuck do the humans have the potential to do?
Speaker 3: Where are those documents? That's what I'm more interested in now.
Speaker 3: I'm less interested in the ones that indit, you know,
Speaker 3: evil fucktards as part of our government or military industrial
Speaker 3: complex or corporation.
Speaker 4: We already know about all that stuff.
Speaker 3: Like those people are all dead, We already know about
Speaker 3: all that stuff, But like where are where? Where's the
Speaker 3: results of some of these experiments, both the things that
Speaker 3: they were trying to have happen, hoped would have and
Speaker 3: also the things that went wrong, and that, in this
Speaker 3: case wrong could have been mean they went well, or
Speaker 3: like they turned up something positive instead of something negative,
Speaker 3: or just something different than.
Speaker 4: What was expected. Where's all that? Why has that gone?
Speaker 3: And just the stuff that makes them look like criminals
Speaker 3: left unless it's more convenient for them to have the
Speaker 3: population be scared of them and think they're criminal. Then
Speaker 3: understand that the humans of the United States are resources
Speaker 3: for their government that are full of potential and abilities
Speaker 3: and genetics and all this kind of other stuff that
Speaker 3: allow for certain things to happen.
Speaker 4: That it's very important we keep sacred.
Speaker 2: Not right, that's wild, that's that's that's a different. So
Speaker 2: you take control of the narrative, you manipulate the narrative,
Speaker 2: You stick with one thing, and that's all you're known for.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, you got the juice behind the scenes of.
Speaker 3: Like idea that there is mind control is part of
Speaker 3: the mind control.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's one hundred and thirty programs that
Speaker 2: took place in prisons, hospitals, and universities, which is interesting, right,
Speaker 2: universities because you wouldn't think of some sort of programming
Speaker 2: going on there. Well, right, obviously not like that, not
Speaker 2: like how we're painted. When I think of MK, I'll
Speaker 2: try I think of how much of it was like
Speaker 2: Stranger Things or a Kira or you know how we
Speaker 2: see it in what's the one? A clockwork orange type
Speaker 2: of thing? How much of it was like that versus
Speaker 2: how much of it wasn't like that?
Speaker 3: Let me just look, I'm looking for one thing I
Speaker 3: want to read you, like, one particular project that gets
Speaker 3: my attention over and over if I can, Like, I'm
Speaker 3: always get confused when I want to stream yard because
Speaker 3: it's it works different than I can't. I'm not going
Speaker 3: to screen share, but it always makes my computer do
Speaker 3: funny things. Okay, I feel like the project might have
Speaker 3: been one forty four?
Speaker 2: And also how much of it was like a cult
Speaker 2: in nature? You did you run into any of that?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this is I'm not going to give away
Speaker 3: the premise of the series right now, because I'm just
Speaker 3: not willing to I'm not ready to do that yet,
Speaker 3: but I am. I am willing to give you a
Speaker 3: little bit that I haven't discussed with anybody yet. Let
Speaker 3: me just see if I can find this one that
Speaker 3: I want to explain to you. I want to tell
Speaker 3: you that you tell me if this sounds like anything that.
Speaker 4: Let's see, where's the one I'm thinking of.
Speaker 3: I might be able to find it this quick because
Speaker 3: there's actually one hundred and forty nine that have documentation,
Speaker 3: which I've heard that there's over two hundred, but the
Speaker 3: trove of documents only goes up to one hundred and
Speaker 3: forty nine.
Speaker 2: I just want to see and that whole story of like, hey,
Speaker 2: we stumbled across this room that had all these documents
Speaker 2: that were so weren't they supposed to be destroyed? Is
Speaker 2: that what the narrative is that they were going to
Speaker 2: be destroyed and then they were like whistleblowed?
Speaker 3: I guess they were the story that I understand. And
Speaker 3: again there's like little different versions of each of these stories.
Speaker 3: Hold on, I just want to look at that one, right,
Speaker 3: here's one. This isn't the one I was looking for.
Speaker 3: But you tell me if this sounds like what you've heard.
Speaker 4: And KELT is about.
Speaker 3: Project ninety nine services related to certain physical studies which
Speaker 3: are required to develop effective materials which will influence the
Speaker 3: central nervous system. And the project also supported studies on
Speaker 3: the optical rotary power of solid and liquid crystals.
Speaker 4: The fuck right, But that is the one that I'm
Speaker 4: really looking for.
Speaker 3: This was the first, like I how I how I
Speaker 3: fell into doing what I'm gonna do is just what
Speaker 3: happenstance when like I got stuck sitting around digging around
Speaker 3: my computer for like thirty minutes when Michael lost internet
Speaker 3: connection during your show one day and I was waiting
Speaker 3: for come back, right, so I just had time to like,
Speaker 3: all right, I can't find the one that I'm looking for.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to waste the whole time. But basically
Speaker 4: there's all.
Speaker 3: Kinds of stuff here, right, and only a few of
Speaker 3: the projects really like resemble the thing that we're all
Speaker 3: kind of told in versions one, two, and three of
Speaker 3: what you're allowed to believe about what mc ELTRA is.
Speaker 3: You know, like that it matches like that kind of story, right,
Speaker 3: But here I'll give you this a little bit. Now.
Speaker 3: I'm not even convinced that MK stands for mind control,
Speaker 3: because when I've gone digging, I can't find any evidence
Speaker 3: that that's what MK stands for. Now, the official narrative
Speaker 3: is that that it was just a code it has
Speaker 3: no meaning, and that it's a like just a code.
Speaker 4: Name for reference for indexing purposes.
Speaker 3: Right. But you know that this is something that everybody
Speaker 3: like who studies this, everybody who researches it, everyone who
Speaker 3: talks about they're like, oh, yeah, it stands for mind
Speaker 3: control and K because it's like after a German word,
Speaker 3: because this stuff really started in Nazi Germany and.
Speaker 4: That so it's like, you know, mind control in like
Speaker 4: the German sense. I find no like. Now, again, remember
Speaker 4: I'm not a.
Speaker 3: Big believer in the legitimacy of documents, So it's entirely
Speaker 3: possible that it does mean that, but not because any
Speaker 3: documents say.
Speaker 4: That they were doing mind control.
Speaker 3: But they were pursuing literally hundreds of other things as well.
Speaker 4: And just a.
Speaker 3: Little hint to you as to where I'm going with this,
Speaker 3: My overall assumption is I've done like the basics on
Speaker 3: the entire project, and I'm going to do the deep
Speaker 3: dives as I go into each project, is I actually.
Speaker 4: Think they were either trying to.
Speaker 3: Reassemble, reassemble all of the knowledge that of the sort
Speaker 3: of rights that were practiced back in the mystery cults
Speaker 3: in ancient Greece and all of the Egypt, or even
Speaker 3: in India and the Orient and stuff like that, right
Speaker 3: that they're trying to reassemble all.
Speaker 4: Of that knowledge, or they're trying to.
Speaker 3: Find a way to sort of automate it and mechanize
Speaker 3: it in modern society so that it can happen outside.
Speaker 4: Of the general awareness of the public.
Speaker 3: Right Like, back in ancient Greece, people knew these cults existed,
Speaker 3: and for a while it was kind of open and
Speaker 3: accepted and celebrated, and then as things started to trend
Speaker 3: in a certain direction, it became more secret and more hidden,
Speaker 3: and you got in more trouble if you did it
Speaker 3: to the point where it either went completely underground or
Speaker 3: seemed to disappear.
Speaker 4: For a period of time. Right Like, let's say that
Speaker 4: you know, there's people out there that.
Speaker 3: Recognize that, no, this is actually how we gained knowledge
Speaker 3: and wisdom and intelligence and whatnot, So we don't actually
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 4: Get rid of it.
Speaker 3: But we don't necessarily want everybody to have that. So
Speaker 3: how do we avail ourselves of all the things necessary
Speaker 3: to go out and you know, sort of maintain this
Speaker 3: these connections to the intelligent field all around us to
Speaker 3: practice these rights, to practice these rituals, right, but kind
Speaker 3: of do it like, you know, in plain sight without
Speaker 3: anybody sort of noticing, right, And a lot of the
Speaker 3: things that they undertook seemed to be ways to sort
Speaker 3: of allow that to happen on some level, Right, So
Speaker 3: I'm proposing I went through a variety of other things
Speaker 3: that MK or MC could stand for. I have a
Speaker 3: whole list of written in my phone, and I have
Speaker 3: my phone right here right now, it's charging the other room.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, the most likely
Speaker 3: thing for me that MK actually stood for is mystery cult.
Speaker 3: And each project was being done with a different group
Speaker 3: of people at a different location. And so you have
Speaker 3: Mystery Cult number one engaging in these practices, Mystery Cult
Speaker 3: number two engaging in these practices, number.
Speaker 4: Three, number four, number five, number six, Right.
Speaker 3: And you know, one of the things we have is
Speaker 3: a supposed end to the MK L stre experiments. Sometime
Speaker 3: in the mid seventies, which I don't believe that that
Speaker 3: ever necessarily ended. It just went from being something under
Speaker 3: the control of government through intelligence agencies or military intelligence
Speaker 3: out into you know, Raytheon, Boeing, you know, Oracle Corporation,
Speaker 3: Sun microsystems, like different sort of military or tech industrial
Speaker 3: or biopharmaceutical industrial complex type of corporations, right, or like
Speaker 3: actual cults.
Speaker 4: Think about how big.
Speaker 3: Cults were in the late sixties early seventies, and right
Speaker 3: that period of there was an explosion of cults in
Speaker 3: the seventies. So if suddenly you had something that was
Speaker 3: happening under the umbrella of government, but for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: you're not doing that any more.
Speaker 4: And the feigned reason might be.
Speaker 3: Oh, we got caught, we can't do it, But the
Speaker 3: real reason could even be, We've gone as far as
Speaker 3: we can with this in a controlled setting. Let's see
Speaker 3: what happens if we let it wander off the plantation.
Speaker 3: Do we return a different set of information or results or.
Speaker 4: Whatever it is?
Speaker 3: Right, And then suddenly you have all of these different
Speaker 3: cults popping up, right. I mean I remember from my
Speaker 3: childhood because I'm a few weeks older than you, that
Speaker 3: like every other week you were hearing about this cult
Speaker 3: and that cult and what was going on, and these
Speaker 3: crazy people who all used to be geniuses moved to
Speaker 3: this weird third world country and did this weird thing
Speaker 3: and whatever it is, Right, a lot of the shit
Speaker 3: sounds pretty close to some of the rituals and ceremonies
Speaker 3: that used to be practiced in some of these indigenous
Speaker 3: cultures or India's oracular or mystery cults of old.
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 2: So that kind of plays into what I got an
Speaker 2: idea as you were speaking where on this whole topic
Speaker 2: of how much can we trust the documents? Are the
Speaker 2: documents accurate? Are the documents double layered, are they encrypted?
Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera. And it kind of plays into
Speaker 2: the idea that I had where maybe they were running
Speaker 2: these programs and on the outside they looked like how
Speaker 2: you said, like this mundane sort of thing. But if
Speaker 2: it is truly covert, and it is truly black budget,
Speaker 2: if you will, you know, to use that term, wouldn't
Speaker 2: it make sense that they could run something in parallel
Speaker 2: with that same exact problem at the same time, and
Speaker 2: the cover story was the one at the top, and
Speaker 2: the real true meaning was the one at the bottom. Now,
Speaker 2: where you lose me is when it comes to these
Speaker 2: ancient rights and rituals. And for the reason for that
Speaker 2: being is because the more I do research into like
Speaker 2: the occult right, because rights, rituals and these secret mystery
Speaker 2: schools is a cult. The more I do research to that,
Speaker 2: the more information I dig up on the fact that
Speaker 2: maybe that was the way that they were able to
Speaker 2: collect information, this reconnaissance or you know, intelligence collecting, where
Speaker 2: for example, maybe the church when you would give your
Speaker 2: Sunday confession. You don't think that they were using that
Speaker 2: against people. They were telling them all their deepest, darkest secrets.
Speaker 2: It was a controlled state, so you have to literally
Speaker 2: part of your religion, part of you being able to
Speaker 2: get saved metaphorically or literally, who knows anymore, right was
Speaker 2: to confess your sins, no matter what that was, in
Speaker 2: order for you to be absolved or your sins. Hey
Speaker 2: see you next Sunday. You don't think that the guys
Speaker 2: behind the scenes were reporting to somebody. Think about that?
Speaker 2: The watchers, right, we always hear about this, the watchers
Speaker 2: and all these things they're watching, you know, they're observing,
Speaker 2: they're collecting information. And when it comes to a lot
Speaker 2: of these these governmental entities, I don't think they care
Speaker 2: if you can summon Cthulhu. I think they care if
Speaker 2: you have a certain list or video of some one
Speaker 2: of their people. You know, are a person high up
Speaker 2: in authority doing something they weren't supposed to be doing
Speaker 2: at a time. You weren't. You know, you were at
Speaker 2: the wrong place, wrong time, and people turn up dead
Speaker 2: because of that. So blackmail is the true occult information,
Speaker 2: that's the true FAUSTI impact.
Speaker 4: Why why does it have to be one or the other?
Speaker 4: I think this is a both. I completely agree with you,
Speaker 4: but I think this is a both and situation.
Speaker 2: And that's where I'm lost, Emily, because it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so where does the supernatural come into play? Is that
Speaker 2: an offshoot and a byproduct of all this fake and
Speaker 2: gainess that's pumped into it. Because if you look at
Speaker 2: all the early occultists and occult writers, they it's interesting
Speaker 2: because they were using sat tire. For example, the one
Speaker 2: that I've been using lately because I did an episode
Speaker 2: on it on the Patreon was Johann Veyer's pseudo Monarchy Demonum.
Speaker 2: Where was this Grim Moore of sixty nine demons, and
Speaker 2: it was supposed to instruct you how to summon these demons,
Speaker 2: to bend them to your will, you know, using the
Speaker 2: name of God. But it was a work of sattire.
Speaker 2: And then from that work is where the Goeysha came from.
Speaker 2: So if the original work is a fakery, what does
Speaker 2: that make any other work that stems from that original work,
Speaker 2: if if it truly was satire, if he wasn't like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: All right, Okay, I got, I got I commend from.
Speaker 3: Is it possible that a lot of these recorded rights
Speaker 3: and rituals are just what you're talking about?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: However, I have I can't remember.
Speaker 4: Have you done drugs or psychedelics or not?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've done mushrooms one time, okay, one time?
Speaker 4: All right, I've done thousands.
Speaker 2: Of hours, all.
Speaker 4: Right, So let's just go and I have a little
Speaker 4: more experience than you. Okay.
Speaker 3: There is an information field there that is different, like right,
Speaker 3: So let's just pretend.
Speaker 4: So if you look into the documents.
Speaker 3: They claim to be interested in using all of these psychoactives,
Speaker 3: so psychoactive substances, at least in some of the projects
Speaker 3: to try to gain control of people's minds to influence
Speaker 3: them towards certain behaviors. Okay, that is certainly something that
Speaker 3: can happen when someone is on drugs, but that is
Speaker 3: not something that always happens when someone is on drugs.
Speaker 3: What else happens when someone's on drugs? So if somebody
Speaker 3: doesn't do let's just say the idea. I'm totally making
Speaker 3: this up on not things as a project. The idea
Speaker 3: is to get somebody fully loaded on acid, right on
Speaker 3: high potency LSD use psychic driving, which is like repeating
Speaker 3: some message over and over and over and over right
Speaker 3: in their in their mind, so that then like, and
Speaker 3: you pair it with some cue you're giving them, so
Speaker 3: that then two weeks later, when they're not acid, you
Speaker 3: give them the same cue and it causes them to
Speaker 3: do an action.
Speaker 4: That is the same or similar to the one that
Speaker 4: you were trying to program.
Speaker 3: Okay, but while you were doing this stuff, while you
Speaker 3: were filling them with acid and trying to do all
Speaker 3: this stuff, let's say the person is like not really
Speaker 3: responding to what you're doing, and instead like they're describing
Speaker 3: some other hallucination that they're having or some other thing
Speaker 3: that they're thinking about. Okay, all right, you're gonna record
Speaker 3: that in your notes. Subject is not, you know, taking
Speaker 3: the bait, but subject keeps talking.
Speaker 4: About blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, all right, that'll
Speaker 4: be there.
Speaker 3: But we just got the notes about trying to get
Speaker 3: so and so to go like rob seven to eleven
Speaker 3: on Tuesday when someone says, when I want a dang
Speaker 3: don to that or whatever.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, so let's just say that.
Speaker 3: Ten percent of the people that came into the study
Speaker 3: didn't take any of the bait, didn't do any of
Speaker 3: the things you asked them to do, right, but described
Speaker 3: some structure or some character sitting in the corner of
Speaker 3: the room. Ten percent of them all described the same
Speaker 3: thing that the tester and the other subjects did not
Speaker 3: notice or talk about. Right, but ten percent of the
Speaker 3: people there described the exact same thing without having any
Speaker 3: interaction with each other. Thirty percent of the people took
Speaker 3: the bait and did the manipulated thing you wanted them
Speaker 3: to do, and then the other fifty sixty percent like
Speaker 3: did nothing. They were confused for a couple of hours
Speaker 3: or days, and then they seemed to go back to normal.
Speaker 3: So you have half the there, like half of the
Speaker 3: tests seemed ineffective, right thirty or forty percent, they're more
Speaker 3: than half thirty percent kind of got did either exactly.
Speaker 4: What you wanted them to do or sort of what
Speaker 4: you wanted them to do.
Speaker 3: And then there was this other random ten percent that
Speaker 3: were different than all of this, but each of them
Speaker 3: described the same thing, even though like you hadn't said
Speaker 3: anything about that, like there was no connection between them,
Speaker 3: Like wouldn't you start to think, well.
Speaker 4: Like, maybe there is something else here in the room
Speaker 4: that for some reason people can see when they're.
Speaker 3: On acid, but they can't see any other time, and
Speaker 3: for some reason, that's more interesting to those people than
Speaker 3: all this stimuli we were doing to them over here?
Speaker 4: What is that?
Speaker 3: We're also going to study that next project. So this project,
Speaker 3: we're gonna say, this project was number thirty two, and
Speaker 3: this thing that they're trying to do, all right, our
Speaker 3: next project is gonna be number thirty three. We're gonna
Speaker 3: find out what's sitting over there on the corner of
Speaker 3: the room, right, and so that's gonna be the next
Speaker 3: thing that we study, right, or maybe we're not even
Speaker 3: gonna name that. We're gonna say this is project thirty
Speaker 3: two Ay, and there's going to be thought project thirty
Speaker 3: two B. But we're not going to talk about Project
Speaker 3: thirty two B. What's the first rule of fight club?
Speaker 2: What fight club?
Speaker 4: Right there?
Speaker 3: You go, Okay, So the paperwork is all going to
Speaker 3: reflect this thing. There's a portion of this that didn't work,
Speaker 3: a portion that work that seems normal for an experiment.
Speaker 4: We're not telling anybody about this for right now.
Speaker 2: So the deviations in the patterns is what they were
Speaker 2: looking for, essentially.
Speaker 3: Whether it was their intention when they started out, or
Speaker 3: whether that became something that they noticed as they went along,
Speaker 3: Like there's no way that someone wasn't like, well, we
Speaker 3: started out trying to do this and that partially worked,
Speaker 3: but we discovered this other thing along the way that
Speaker 3: is actually more interesting. And what's weird about all of
Speaker 3: that stuff, right is about all of the stuff that
Speaker 3: is not really talked about or not reported is all
Speaker 3: the stuff that equals you know, remote viewing, time travel,
Speaker 3: psychic you know, intuition, divination, all of this other stuff,
Speaker 3: which if they had done any research on the drugs
Speaker 3: they were trying they were using, they would.
Speaker 4: Have known that that's part of the history of the drugs.
Speaker 3: So then that also tagues me to the place where
Speaker 3: I can't possibly believe.
Speaker 4: That they didn't know that that wasn't not only possible
Speaker 4: but probable.
Speaker 3: So you want to conduct experiments to see what humans
Speaker 3: are capable of, right, But unfortunately funding usually comes from
Speaker 3: places that have a military or financial or technological advantage
Speaker 3: position that they can gain by funding it.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna offer up part of.
Speaker 3: The tests the experiment here to be yeared that way
Speaker 3: so we can get funding, but secretly in the after hours.
Speaker 4: What we're really curious about is how far out does
Speaker 4: the human mind and potential go. Where's the information on that?
Speaker 3: Like I have never it is impossible that they only
Speaker 3: got information that either was a nothing burger, was like
Speaker 3: psycho schizophrenia stuff, or well, I think schizophrenia is actually intelligence,
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to say like that. But sometimes
Speaker 3: it's just babbling nonsense, and sometimes there's.
Speaker 4: A syntex to that nonsense that.
Speaker 3: Informs you that there's something really there. But it's impossible
Speaker 3: that they only either got the information they wanted or
Speaker 3: unuseful information. There has to have been another group of
Speaker 3: information that was interesting but not the point of what the.
Speaker 4: Paper said it was supposed to be. Where's that information?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see where you're going with it. And is
Speaker 2: there a parallel? If not? If not, where are you
Speaker 2: living in it? But like a parallel or a continuation
Speaker 2: of MKLTR like a modern day mkultr Or do you
Speaker 2: think we are living in it?
Speaker 3: So I think we are living in it, but we're
Speaker 3: living in it to various degrees. Like at a certain point,
Speaker 3: I think all of this knowledge got separated out to
Speaker 3: different industries, different cultures, and different subcultures.
Speaker 4: And some of it was just like p We all.
Speaker 3: Understand the usefulness of propaganda or the damage of propaganda,
Speaker 3: depending on your perspective. If you had a new widget
Speaker 3: and you could come up with some way to get
Speaker 3: everybody to buy your widget, especially if it wasn't that
Speaker 3: harmful overall, you'd probably deploy it. If it was harmful
Speaker 3: to propagandaize these people way, if you were a six buck,
Speaker 3: you might still consider it, But if it was useless,
Speaker 3: you wouldn't do it. Right, So we all understand the
Speaker 3: role that propaganda plays. But I'm taking a look as
Speaker 3: I've been working on this series, and I've been worked
Speaker 3: with someone who has like that's not going to be
Speaker 3: on the series with me, but it's helping you some
Speaker 3: of the aesthetics for the series.
Speaker 4: That has really caused me to explore what.
Speaker 3: It is I'm really doing here and why I'm doing this,
Speaker 3: And I'm starting to understand myself to an even a
Speaker 3: higher degree than I thought I already did. And I
Speaker 3: recognize that the two main driving influences of my adult
Speaker 3: life has been my research into m k Ultra and
Speaker 3: my understanding of an attachment I had to that phenomenon
Speaker 3: from my childhood right and my time in the underground
Speaker 3: dance music scene, and that these two things are very similar.
Speaker 4: And so I'm going to say that a lot.
Speaker 3: Of these projects were exported from government or corporate laboratories
Speaker 3: into the subculture of the underground dance music scene in
Speaker 3: Los Angeles and Berlin and London at varying levels. There's huge,
Speaker 3: massive festivals that's Walmart, right. There's sort of like local chains.
Speaker 3: That's your fucking grocery store, right. There are like clubs
Speaker 3: which are kind of just like your corner bar, and
Speaker 3: then there's deep underground parties where you're having all sorts
Speaker 3: of like weird counterculture stuff that most people aren't even
Speaker 3: aware of. But all of this is centered around optical stimulation,
Speaker 3: auditory stimulation chemicals, and then the physiology and genetics of
Speaker 3: the people who are attending, and what is the experience
Speaker 3: that they have when they take this chemical and you
Speaker 3: expose them to the stimuli. And if you look at
Speaker 3: what they were doing in the projects, they were exposing
Speaker 3: people to neurological, auditory and optical stimuli under certain conditions,
Speaker 3: usually involving some type of drug or some way of
Speaker 3: altering their central nervous system, and seeing what their response
Speaker 3: was and whether the response could be useful in a
Speaker 3: weaponized fashion, or whether the response could be useful in
Speaker 3: gaining intelligence that isn't available in our three D sort
Speaker 3: of reality. But is they at hyperspace sort of waiting
Speaker 3: to be discovered. It's like that frequency band not yet
Speaker 3: completely tuned into.
Speaker 4: But but is there? Right is? It's always there?
Speaker 3: And so to me and I don't what I'm saying
Speaker 3: by this is not like there's there you have like
Speaker 3: when you get into these topics, you usually.
Speaker 4: Have two different camps.
Speaker 3: Right is the rave scene totally organic and just at
Speaker 3: a certain point was infiltrated or manipulated or commercialized by
Speaker 3: people that we would consider.
Speaker 2: Who started that scene? Is there an origin as to
Speaker 2: who started that scene? Because it seems like everything is
Speaker 2: all about collecting intelligence nowadays and trying to Right.
Speaker 3: There's a there's a there's like a simultaneous popping up
Speaker 3: of it at a few different sort of locations, right,
Speaker 3: And you know, so the two camps, though, are everything
Speaker 3: is like planted, contrived and controlled in the very beginning
Speaker 3: in the other campus, like no, it's organic and unfortunately
Speaker 3: bad seeds make their way into it and steer it
Speaker 3: one way or the other. And for me it's just
Speaker 3: kind of like everything is everything, Like everything is just
Speaker 3: sort of like a mixture.
Speaker 4: And a hodgepodge.
Speaker 3: And within a totally controlled and contrived creation, you can
Speaker 3: also find these organic occurrences that weren't expected. And with
Speaker 3: something that was completely and totally organic, you could have
Speaker 3: something show up that distorts and changes the whole trajectory
Speaker 3: of what was going on.
Speaker 4: Right. So on some levels, to me, it's like the
Speaker 4: wrong question.
Speaker 3: It's understanding what is the environment, what are the stimuli,
Speaker 3: and what are the sort of insights observations and reactions
Speaker 3: of the participants and that goes for everything we experience
Speaker 3: in reality on.
Speaker 4: Some level, right, And so when you go and you look.
Speaker 3: At like I remember going on like the rave chat
Speaker 3: boards back like in the late nineties, it is like
Speaker 3: when the internet was kind of new, right, and the
Speaker 3: rave scene was in full kick.
Speaker 4: You know. Now we have something kind of different.
Speaker 3: We have like a club scene, a festival scene, in
Speaker 3: an underground scene, but we used.
Speaker 4: To just have like a rave scene.
Speaker 3: And you could go to these chatboards and people would
Speaker 3: talk about their experiences with this pill or this asset
Speaker 3: or this cademy or whatever, their trip reports and that
Speaker 3: their party reports, and the party reports would be like
Speaker 3: I took this pill, I heard this DJ, I had
Speaker 3: this experience, think about this.
Speaker 4: This would be not any.
Speaker 3: Different than being in a laboratory putting someone on drugs.
Speaker 4: Playing sounds for them and then asking them what it
Speaker 4: makes them see or think about or whatever. But these people.
Speaker 3: Are doing it voluntarily and out there in the real world,
Speaker 3: not in a controlled setting, so you're actually gaining more
Speaker 3: intelligence from that. It's actually more useful because how many
Speaker 3: times in your life are you at a completely controlled
Speaker 3: setting where there's no like unexpected variable that can happen
Speaker 3: not very many, Like a rock could come through the
Speaker 3: window in your office.
Speaker 2: Right now, what year did the so the internet as
Speaker 2: we know it officially began nineteen eighty three and mcultra
Speaker 2: ended in nineteen seventy three. Because it's making me think
Speaker 2: of like how you're saying it's the same thing, just
Speaker 2: packaged differently, and that makes a lot of sense, Like right,
Speaker 2: like that's crazy, right that now you're just it's an oh,
Speaker 2: now they're free range chickens. Now that they're that's exactly it.
Speaker 3: Yes, right, we had the chickens in the pen, and
Speaker 3: then we realize people will pay more for the eggs
Speaker 3: if they're fucking the egg grass.
Speaker 2: And ran around and were happy, which kind of doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense because like so, for example, I use butcher box, right,
Speaker 2: and I get my meat butcher box, and I was
Speaker 2: sitting down with my wife more like, Okay, we spend
Speaker 2: this much on butcher but if we go to Sam's Club, right,
Speaker 2: the big wig store, the wholesale store, we get a
Speaker 2: lot more for less. Okay, So, like our dilemma is
Speaker 2: do we keep it this organic, free range grass fed
Speaker 2: like it's got all the key words to make you
Speaker 2: feel some type of way. And I look there and go,
Speaker 2: so do we keep it? Do we go with this
Speaker 2: other brand? Maybe it's pumped full of a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of stuff that we don't know about. That's what we've
Speaker 2: been told, right, that it's modified. They put a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of hormones and stuff into it, makes the you know,
Speaker 2: the little girls get into puberty quicker, et cetera. So
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, or do we go with
Speaker 2: this other stuff that allegedly is free range, is one
Speaker 2: of the ones grass fed and all these other things,
Speaker 2: And like they make you peek between the and so
Speaker 2: we decided to keep the butcher box. I'm like, if
Speaker 2: it is worth it in the long run, then so
Speaker 2: be it. I'd rather pay a little bit more for
Speaker 2: that versus this other option over here, because it's like
Speaker 2: they're making you pick between the two lesser evils. The
Speaker 2: other one might be bullshit, and we're willing to pay
Speaker 2: more even though we understand it might be bullshit. But
Speaker 2: you're still gambling the chance that it's not bullshit. So
Speaker 2: you stick with it, and you pay more for it,
Speaker 2: and you eliminate the other one. Right, that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean this is this is like, well think
Speaker 3: don't think about the scam of like the idea of
Speaker 3: organic like and they think people are who are weird
Speaker 3: who want to have all organic. No, it should be
Speaker 3: weird to want to have vegetables with chemicals on them.
Speaker 3: In the sixties or the fifties, all vegetables in the
Speaker 3: market were organic.
Speaker 4: They were all organic.
Speaker 3: And now you're a fucking weirdo with a little like
Speaker 3: area this small over here where they organic vegetables.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's a lot of this sort.
Speaker 3: Of just changing the jurisdiction of what people think they're
Speaker 3: dealing with. But the same kind of but as far
Speaker 3: as box goes, I used to have butcher box, right.
Speaker 3: I don't actually really like them meat and butcher box
Speaker 3: that much. I've I've experienced with a variety of local ranchers,
Speaker 3: grass fed ranchers, grass fed, corn finished ranchers, this, that
Speaker 3: and the other thing. But we did have butcher box
Speaker 3: during the pandemic because we just wanted to make sure
Speaker 3: we could get our thing right. I don't think the
Speaker 3: butcher box tastes that amazing. But you know what is
Speaker 3: amazing at butcher box, they have these pork butts that
Speaker 3: make the best fucking carnitas ever.
Speaker 4: Laura used to make carnitas all the time.
Speaker 3: If you get the fucking pork butt, I'll give you
Speaker 3: Laura's carnetas recipe.
Speaker 4: They're fucking delicious. But I could live without the rest
Speaker 4: of the butcher box. But go.
Speaker 3: We live in Texas though, where there's like no shortage
Speaker 3: of local grass fed ranchers.
Speaker 2: There's next option and all that.
Speaker 4: Kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Right, but this is but here, here's the point is
Speaker 3: like we like we have got to come to the
Speaker 3: understanding that we are the worse of everything that they're
Speaker 3: interested in.
Speaker 4: We are endlessly fascinating to the day.
Speaker 3: Okay, like people who are concerned that they want to
Speaker 3: like wipe out half the human population, No, they don't.
Speaker 3: There we are the resources for the technologies and the
Speaker 3: achievements that they're hoping to gain. Right, genetics are like
Speaker 3: all of the new tech has to do with DNA, RNA, mRNA,
Speaker 3: you know, different kinds of you know, like you know,
Speaker 3: different ways of storing information on and in people's bodies. Right,
Speaker 3: they're literally using custom DNA strands to help construct you know,
Speaker 3: fusion reactors that won't get too hot, so you can
Speaker 3: actually have the benefits of a fusion, which is supposed
Speaker 3: to be an overunity type of energy. Right, But if
Speaker 3: you have to spend all this money cooling them down,
Speaker 3: then it makes it not profitable. Our DNA is really
Speaker 3: good at coding for certain kinds of carbon lattice types
Speaker 3: of things that are super conductive, so things can get
Speaker 3: hot and stay cold at the same time.
Speaker 2: Right, So wetwear like this wetwear technology that they're so
Speaker 2: this is a real.
Speaker 3: Thing, right, So like that Also, people have been brainwashed
Speaker 3: into thinking that our minds and our bodies work like computers.
Speaker 3: We think we're real smart when we get a download,
Speaker 3: but no, all of the technology is like mimics of
Speaker 3: the human mind and body and things that we do
Speaker 3: or things that the larger Earth or planet or universe
Speaker 3: or whatever do. Like the human mind is one of
Speaker 3: the greatest computers ever, and all the things that we
Speaker 3: have on our desk are just extensions of that.
Speaker 4: Right where I just started reading. I've had this book.
Speaker 3: For like a number of years, and I started at
Speaker 3: once a couple of years ago, but then that got
Speaker 3: distracted and now we're in it.
Speaker 4: The programming and meta programming in The Human Supercomputer by
Speaker 4: John C.
Speaker 3: Lilly, Right, and it's you know, it's really interesting to
Speaker 3: sort of listen to him, you know, break this down
Speaker 3: back in the sixties and seventies before we had the
Speaker 3: like modern lingo about computer and programming and tech and whatever. Right,
Speaker 3: you know, So I think, like, we're the greatest resource
Speaker 3: on Earth.
Speaker 4: Right. People think that it's maybe some rare.
Speaker 3: Mineral in the ground, you know, in like East Africa
Speaker 3: somewhere or something like that. But that mineral is only
Speaker 3: interested when you see how the human interesting, when you
Speaker 3: see how the humans interact with it, right, Like if
Speaker 3: it's just the mineral, like those were those things were
Speaker 3: there before we got here, and nothing interesting was happening
Speaker 3: with them until we came and started interacting with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've always existed, right, So like they've always
Speaker 2: been there. It's just I think, I think the aspect
Speaker 2: of the human experience, right, this idea, because you hear
Speaker 2: this a lot in the Conspiracy where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: they want to wipe us all out, they want to
Speaker 2: take everybody out like all that. I'm like, why would
Speaker 2: they do that? They still need people. Let's say that
Speaker 2: there is a day, right, that there is this cabal,
Speaker 2: which I believe there is a people in higher ups
Speaker 2: that have more amounts of power than the people below
Speaker 2: them one hundred percent. We know that there's a hierarchy,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, for the people up top, they're not
Speaker 2: going to be mowing their lawns, right, they need the
Speaker 2: people who are going to mow their lawn They need
Speaker 2: the gophers. Got I just did a breakdown with Narcolango
Speaker 2: on Caddy Shack and kind of sort of what that
Speaker 2: movie represented. And a gopher is a person who does
Speaker 2: like menial tasks, like mundane task, like dumb work if
Speaker 2: you will, right, And so they they're always going to
Speaker 2: need the gophers. So why would they kill off the
Speaker 2: gophers if they need wh Right? That movie is about
Speaker 2: killing off the gopher. They need them at the end
Speaker 2: of the day. So if everything does go downhill, why
Speaker 2: would they eliminate the first people who are going to
Speaker 2: be in the in the trenches doing the work. That
Speaker 2: never made any sense to me, but people are so
Speaker 2: convinced that that's what they're after.
Speaker 4: All Right, let's take this one step further.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think a lot of like, we have a
Speaker 3: hierarchy and a power structure that like on some levels
Speaker 3: we understand, but like on other levels, a lot of
Speaker 3: is like we're blind to it because the people that
Speaker 3: we see your Elon Musks, your George Soros, your Peter
Speaker 3: Teel or whatever, like, they're like there's people above them
Speaker 3: that we're not aware of that ever seen by anyone else.
Speaker 4: So we don't know what their capabilities are. We don't know.
Speaker 3: We don't know if they're interdimensional. We don't know if
Speaker 3: they're hyper intelligent. We don't know if they're just fucking
Speaker 3: big and burley and so they're able to bully.
Speaker 4: We don't know what that is, right, but we know
Speaker 4: that we have this.
Speaker 3: Like like paranoid class that I would consider all of
Speaker 3: these people, these Bill Gates, George Soros, Elon mus Peter
Speaker 3: Tiel is like a really unimpressive lizard who's obsessed with
Speaker 3: collecting everybody's data. That's like what he's mostly concerned with.
Speaker 3: That's what really.
Speaker 4: All of do you think about?
Speaker 3: Like it's like this sort of middleman syndrome, Like right,
Speaker 3: like if you look into like people who are like
Speaker 3: Hollywood agents and things like that, right, they like they're
Speaker 3: they're good at networking, they're good at doing deals, but
Speaker 3: they don't have the talent of the athlete or the
Speaker 3: actor or anything like that. So they serve as this
Speaker 3: like middleman between the public and this talented person, and
Speaker 3: they sort of expand that middleman position into as much
Speaker 3: profit as they can, right, And oftentimes you have a
Speaker 3: middleman who makes a lot more money than.
Speaker 4: The person who's the talent.
Speaker 3: And so you know, all of these middleman industries and
Speaker 3: then these data control industries are all like largely based,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, on a lot of like control freakishness
Speaker 3: and a lot of paranoia.
Speaker 4: Right, so.
Speaker 3: Now back to your your your point about gophers. You
Speaker 3: don't want to get rid of the gophers because you
Speaker 3: don't want to have to mow your own lawn. But
Speaker 3: you know what's even better if the fucking person that
Speaker 3: you hire to be your gopher and mow your lawn
Speaker 3: has like a hormone or a chemical that they secrete
Speaker 3: in their sweat that is going to be the gas
Speaker 3: for the fucking portal that you want to owe. The
Speaker 3: gas that like permeates the membrane or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: the thing that that or the thing that makes.
Speaker 4: The machine go.
Speaker 3: And so he thinks he's coming over to do your
Speaker 3: dirty work. But what he's really gonna and you appreciate
Speaker 3: that he does your law and that needs to get
Speaker 3: done due, but really anyone could do it. But what
Speaker 3: he's really coming over for is to like leave a
Speaker 3: DNA sample on the handle of your fucking lawnmower that
Speaker 3: you'll gladly collect afterwards put into a centrifuge, right and
Speaker 3: and accelerate into copies and more and more and more
Speaker 3: and more, right and then and then you're gonna get
Speaker 3: Did you ever see Jupiter Ascending?
Speaker 2: Remember that movie started and never finished it?
Speaker 3: Okay, like she's like the cleaning lady at the office
Speaker 3: building or whatever. But there's literally an entire universe that
Speaker 3: is powered off virginetics.
Speaker 2: How much of that do you think is real? Though?
Speaker 2: When you when you talk about portals, Emily, how much
Speaker 2: of it is like an actual portal? How we see
Speaker 2: in like Rick and Morty that opens up a rioff
Speaker 2: and space and time or what's your definition of a portal?
Speaker 2: Because we always we throw this word around a lot.
Speaker 3: At this point, like what the way I see things
Speaker 3: more is that there's like there's not like all of
Speaker 3: these plate places far away both in time and in space.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like everything everywhere at once. Everything's happening
Speaker 3: here now at different frequency bands. So it's like you
Speaker 3: have one radio, but it tunes into thousands of stations, right,
Speaker 3: And the higher power your radio is, the more stations
Speaker 3: that can tune into, and the better located you are,
Speaker 3: the more stations you can turn into.
Speaker 4: And all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So what I think we have here is that, like
Speaker 3: imagine if you imagine each frequency band as being a
Speaker 3: room in a hotel, and your genetics are the key
Speaker 3: to the room that is assigned to you, okay, and
Speaker 3: and there's a manager of the hotel, and like the
Speaker 3: janitor might have keys to all of them. But there's
Speaker 3: some people that have a more sort of flexible genetics spread,
Speaker 3: let's put it that way, that they can they can
Speaker 3: like a special I don't know if this comes from
Speaker 3: just they have something in their genetics that is good
Speaker 3: at frequency matching, right, or that they have so many
Speaker 3: things in their genetics, which could possibly be why they're
Speaker 3: for all of this, like immigration and interracial marriages and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff, because they're trying to create
Speaker 3: new combination lock combinations to different frequency bands, like they're
Speaker 3: trying to access rooms that haven't found the key yet
Speaker 3: for right, Okay, So like I think that some people
Speaker 3: might have a more broad base for that based on
Speaker 3: lots of different genetics, or you may just have like
Speaker 3: that like miracle molecule or that miracle atom or the
Speaker 3: miracle whatever. There might be some some precious metal, you know,
Speaker 3: trace metal in your in your Maybe it's ruthenium, because
Speaker 3: ruthenium is super conductive, right, So superconductive, it can levitate,
Speaker 3: it can move through things.
Speaker 4: It has low electrical resistance, which.
Speaker 3: Things means more things can pass through it without causing
Speaker 3: it to come apart. Right, it can maintain its integrity.
Speaker 3: So so this is what So if you look at
Speaker 3: what's going on here with Oracle Corporation, remember like day
Speaker 3: two or day one of Trump administed, he gets up
Speaker 3: there with Sam Altman and Larry Ellison and Larry Ellison
Speaker 3: announces Project Stargate, which is going to make uniquely designed
Speaker 3: cancer vaccine mRNA cancer vaccines in twenty four hours for people.
Speaker 4: Right using was using AI, using Sam Altman's open AI.
Speaker 3: Right at this, you know facility in Texas which happens
Speaker 3: to be in an area where there's you know, like
Speaker 3: a cyclotron or a particle accelerator or you know type
Speaker 3: of stuff. Okay, So Larry Ellison owns Oracle Corporation, which
Speaker 3: grew out of Oracle, a project called Oracle.
Speaker 4: That was within the CIA.
Speaker 3: It was a project in the CIA, and then it
Speaker 3: moved out became a corporation, right. And one of the
Speaker 3: things that they have been really a huge part of
Speaker 3: his a trying to get and store as many medical
Speaker 3: records and things like that as possible. He's obsessed with
Speaker 3: data collection, particularly when it comes to health in genetics. Okay,
Speaker 3: Now he is saying that this new project to create
Speaker 3: a database of people's you know, genetics, is to help
Speaker 3: create mRNA vaccines to prevent cancer, and that right, there'll
Speaker 3: be a unique one.
Speaker 4: Made for each person.
Speaker 3: But in order to do that, you'd have to connect
Speaker 3: collect everybody's genetics.
Speaker 4: Okay. Have you heard of Project Stargate, the.
Speaker 3: Other project Stargate, Like it's the same project, my friend,
Speaker 3: Do you know what Stargate is?
Speaker 2: I've heard of? Is it the one we're remote viewing?
Speaker 3: It's it has to do with remote viewing and teleportation. Okay,
Speaker 3: So to me, This is a tacit admission out in
Speaker 3: the open that the key to remote viewing and teleportation
Speaker 3: is genetics.
Speaker 4: And so we're gonna, right, we're going to.
Speaker 3: Collect all their genetics and we're going to use it
Speaker 3: to open all the rooms in the hotel and for
Speaker 3: and we're going to give them just a key to
Speaker 3: their specific room.
Speaker 4: I e.
Speaker 3: We're going to let them have the cancer vaccine so
Speaker 3: that they don't or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: Right, you see where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, I see where you're going with it.
Speaker 2: And it's just making me think of, like, this is
Speaker 2: very because if you look up what an oracle is,
Speaker 2: which is interesting, right, a priest or priestess acting as
Speaker 2: a medium through whom advice or prophecy was sought from
Speaker 2: the gods in classical antiquity, and.
Speaker 3: What is another name for some of these mystery cults
Speaker 3: oracular cults. There were cults based around a member of
Speaker 3: the cult that was the oracle. Right, go listen to
Speaker 3: Almendhilman talking about oracular priestesses and oracular cults.
Speaker 2: That was my next thing I was going to bring
Speaker 2: up because right in a Pallanteer in j R. R.
Speaker 2: Tolkien's The Stone is a powerful, indestructible crystal ball used
Speaker 2: for communication and seeing events in distant places or the past.
Speaker 3: So now we're rid of Bill Gates and George Soros,
Speaker 3: but we have an oracle and a sea.
Speaker 4: And a Palentiner.
Speaker 2: Yeah with the with the Maga party, which is witches
Speaker 2: in Latin, right like that.
Speaker 4: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 2: So but here's the thing. This is why I'm leaning
Speaker 2: more towards like is the occult like a real phenomenon?
Speaker 2: Wheen and by the occult I'm talking about like you
Speaker 2: know what Amon Hillman talks about where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're christing these certain people, and it's almost making me
Speaker 2: think of like when you think of the of the
Speaker 2: what's the da Vinci thing, the cup, the chalice, the
Speaker 2: child Yeah, the childice, but the other one, what do
Speaker 2: they call it? The damn it man the holy Grail?
Speaker 2: When the holy everyone automatically thinks about like a cup
Speaker 2: or a childice, right, Like that's the first thing that comes.
Speaker 2: What if it's a person, Like what if how you're saying,
Speaker 2: what if this is all this whole wet weear thing,
Speaker 2: what if it's actual people? What have they're the portals.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 4: What else?
Speaker 3: Did Am and Helen say Jesus Christ use children as drugs? Right,
Speaker 3: they would use their body as a synthesizer of particular chemical. Right,
Speaker 3: So this is think about that if if it is
Speaker 3: figured out that like, okay, you get Emily all excited,
Speaker 3: you get her hyped up on psychedelics and mathemphetamines, and
Speaker 3: then you get her like all excited, and that adrenaline
Speaker 3: that she gives off could either a create a unique
Speaker 3: kind of a specific unique to Emily type of agrina
Speaker 3: chrome that's active for a short period of time, or
Speaker 3: she can just secrete a chemical or a hormone or
Speaker 3: a pheromone, right, that could be captured or used for
Speaker 3: whatever it is, and then maybe.
Speaker 4: They'll try and get high off of that.
Speaker 3: If you've watched the Congress, they take drugs to turn
Speaker 3: into each other, right, Like they want to see what
Speaker 3: it feels like to be.
Speaker 4: One, so they take a lot of drug. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a great I've talked, I've brought it up to you
Speaker 4: a number of times.
Speaker 3: You should watch the movie of Congress because that's like
Speaker 3: really kind of where.
Speaker 4: We're at in a lot of ways. Right, okay, so so,
Speaker 4: but you know, part of like with all.
Speaker 3: Of these sort of cults that were based around priestesses
Speaker 3: or or like oracles or whatever it is, it's a
Speaker 3: different stimuli for each person who possesses those capabilities that
Speaker 3: is going to get them to extend, whether that is,
Speaker 3: separate from their body and go out into the you know,
Speaker 3: the the.
Speaker 4: Ionic life, which.
Speaker 3: Is outside of the time stream or whatever it is,
Speaker 3: or to penetrate the membrane into the next dimension of
Speaker 3: however you're thinking about it.
Speaker 4: For some people, they have to be scared.
Speaker 3: They're scared, and then that jacks them up, and then
Speaker 3: they're sort of outside of their body or outside of
Speaker 3: their normal frame of mind and connecting with another field
Speaker 3: of intelligence than the one they're generally sort.
Speaker 4: Of sitting in. For other people, it's something else for
Speaker 4: other people, like scaring them shuts them down.
Speaker 3: For some people, like you have to stimulate them with
Speaker 3: something that they really like, right, Like for me, like
Speaker 3: you know, put on the techno, wind me up and
Speaker 3: watch me go and I'm gonna come back with all
Speaker 3: kinds of kooky ideas, weird experiences, stories, things like that.
Speaker 4: For some people, they get into that when they're.
Speaker 3: Scared, or when they're turned on sexually or right, it's
Speaker 3: a different thing that acts as the catalyst or the
Speaker 3: stimulus for different people to reach out beyond themselves and
Speaker 3: bring something back. Right, everyone is motivated by something different,
Speaker 3: So you'll have a combination of hormones and genetics and
Speaker 3: pheromones and stimulation and possibly drugs and rituals that like,
Speaker 3: especially if you're practicing rituals and rights that have gone
Speaker 3: back generations in your family that holds this symbolic significance
Speaker 3: in your group or in your own mind or whatever
Speaker 3: it is, right, So that can be part of the
Speaker 3: cocktail there as well. So I think that there's a
Speaker 3: truth to the occult, But I also think that at
Speaker 3: a certain point there's been lots of people who have
Speaker 3: recognized that, like, you can use this to control people,
Speaker 3: to manipulate people, to scam people, to make people think things.
Speaker 4: Are going on that aren't really going on.
Speaker 3: But the main message I take is that there's really
Speaker 3: nothing new in the world. People have been engaging in
Speaker 3: dynamic experiences that include drugs, sex, music, all of that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff since the beginning of time that connects
Speaker 3: us to other intelligence in our environment that exists at
Speaker 3: a different frequency than we do, and that there's information there,
Speaker 3: and the idea that that's not true is a lie.
Speaker 3: But the idea that there has to be like some weird, crazy,
Speaker 3: you know, combination of practices to attain it and that's
Speaker 3: the only way it can be done is also not true.
Speaker 3: It leaves this like huge vast area for manipulation in
Speaker 3: between those two truths. Right, So if you if if
Speaker 3: I invited you over to my house and we just
Speaker 3: turned the lights off and laid down on the floor
Speaker 3: here and ate mushrooms and just told each other what
Speaker 3: we were thinking about the whole time, or didn't talk
Speaker 3: and then told each other after what we thought about.
Speaker 3: Or if I played certain music and it made us
Speaker 3: think about certain things and we talked about that, like
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a format of doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not.
Speaker 3: As you know, the more people are involved, the more
Speaker 3: grand the scenario, the more sort of factors there are
Speaker 3: at play.
Speaker 4: But you know, all.
Speaker 3: The things that we call drugs come from the earth,
Speaker 3: like whether it's directly naturally from the ground, or whether
Speaker 3: it's taken into a lab and done something to to
Speaker 3: synthesize it, or to accentuate certain properties and nullify others,
Speaker 3: or vice versa.
Speaker 4: Right, it's basically there's something that the earth.
Speaker 3: Produced that is the key to a door that unlocks
Speaker 3: certain information that is true about being here in this world.
Speaker 2: What interests me most, Right, So they're being inspired, which
Speaker 2: inspiration right from a breathe into to infuse animation or influence,
Speaker 2: especially by divine influence. So how you're saying, maybe perhaps
Speaker 2: there are techniques to achieve this said thing, right, which
Speaker 2: the sad thing is the extraction of the magical essence
Speaker 2: or something or other. Right, there's a ritual for that,
Speaker 2: there's certain things for that.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Interests me the most about Hillman's work is not again,
Speaker 2: I know, he's very polarizing with everything that he says.
Speaker 2: He says a lot of crazy shit. But the one
Speaker 2: thing that really interests me about his work is that
Speaker 2: he's kind of sort of proving this long running conspiracy
Speaker 2: of right, the whole frazzle drip adrino chrome sort of thing,
Speaker 2: because it falls along those lines, and people people automatically,
Speaker 2: as soon as they hear the word, they go, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesus wasn't doing and all that, and they go, wait, dude,
Speaker 2: I go, dude, step back for one second. Listen to
Speaker 2: what he's saying. I know what he's saying is crazy,
Speaker 2: but look at it from a different perspective. He's confirming
Speaker 2: all this shit, all these conspiracies. Now again, you have
Speaker 2: to take his word for it, because he's the quote
Speaker 2: unquote expert in said field. So whatever he's translating, you
Speaker 2: got to take his word for I can't translate it.
Speaker 2: But there's conspiracies and things surrounding everything he's saying, and
Speaker 2: he's confirming all the shit that we've been talking about
Speaker 2: for a long time through that. But people don't latch
Speaker 2: onto that. They latch onto the oh, well, this is blasphemist.
Speaker 3: Like he's very he's very dramatic, and you know he
Speaker 3: has like certain at this point, you know, he's he's
Speaker 3: having fun with people right as part of this.
Speaker 4: But if you are able to find.
Speaker 3: If you're able to read his books which I have,
Speaker 3: or you're able to find some older interviews or some
Speaker 3: interviews that are more scientific in nature that he's given,
Speaker 3: and you listen to what he is actually saying, it
Speaker 3: makes perfect sense. And you know, and once people sort
Speaker 3: of back off, either being completely like obsessed with what
Speaker 3: he's saying or completely like repulsed by what he's saying,
Speaker 3: and just like, look at the actual data points that
Speaker 3: are being presented, and basically what he's saying is every
Speaker 3: conspiracy that you imagine to be true is based on
Speaker 3: a practice that goes so far back in time, right, Like,
Speaker 3: this has always been part of being here here, part
Speaker 3: that like they call these rights and rituals or the techniques,
Speaker 3: they call them the mysteries because each group of people
Speaker 3: had different ways of achieving these states and gaining knowledge,
Speaker 3: and they felt like, just like when you invent something
Speaker 3: in your company, it's proprietary information. Right Like, if you
Speaker 3: own a restaurant and you have the best pizza in town,
Speaker 3: your recipe is a secret. It's not that other people
Speaker 3: don't make or eat pizza. They have their own recipe,
Speaker 3: and you think yours is good or better or best or.
Speaker 4: Make the most money.
Speaker 3: It is sensible for you not to share other than
Speaker 3: with your most trusted circle of people what the recipe is,
Speaker 3: because you can gain advantages monetarily, you know, by selling pizza.
Speaker 4: But in the case of like, you know what, if.
Speaker 3: We're really in the business of trying to advance our knowledge, right,
Speaker 3: advance our knowledge, And if you're going back in antiquity,
Speaker 3: survival was difficult. So if you knew more than the
Speaker 3: group of people next to you and it came down
Speaker 3: to it, you were going to have a leg up
Speaker 3: in combat or in saying farming processes or whatever it is. Right,
Speaker 3: So everything is just a question of does this and
Speaker 3: does this technique or this information give me at an advantage?
Speaker 4: And for how long can he give me an advantage?
Speaker 3: What do I have to do to, you know, prolong
Speaker 3: the amount of time that I know something that other
Speaker 3: people don't. Right, And even though it's their right as
Speaker 3: a human being to have that knowledge, also if they
Speaker 3: can figure out how to get it, it's not my responsibility.
Speaker 4: To tell them.
Speaker 3: And we are living in a world where the people
Speaker 3: that we call the elite, both the ones we can
Speaker 3: see and the ones that we know, are beyond them.
Speaker 3: They're not necessary, like they're No one is stopping us
Speaker 3: from learning the things that they might know, except for
Speaker 3: this anger that they're.
Speaker 4: Not telling us. But as soon as let you go, Okay,
Speaker 4: well I'm here and I'm.
Speaker 3: A reasonably decent intelligence, and I can figure things out too.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna start experimenting with myself and my consciousness
Speaker 3: or try this or try that or whatever, and be
Speaker 3: honest with myself about what the results are or what
Speaker 3: I think or what happened or whatever it is.
Speaker 4: You can start to know things too.
Speaker 3: Right, There's never been like every important thing I've ever learned,
Speaker 3: No one's ever tried to stop me from knowing. It's
Speaker 3: only like little puny, stupid, little secrets that like don't
Speaker 3: really matter at all but waste a lot of time.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they get a lot of clicks or whatever.
Speaker 3: Are the things that like, we're kind of like they
Speaker 3: try to stop us from saying or stop us from knowing.
Speaker 3: But you know, you have to be willing to do
Speaker 3: the word yourself. You have to try and fail and
Speaker 3: try again and succeed and then get tempted because like,
Speaker 3: now I know something everyone else doesn't know. Am I
Speaker 3: gonna do the same thing to other people that I
Speaker 3: don't like other people having head done to me? Or
Speaker 3: am I going to behave in the way that I
Speaker 3: would behave to do something different? Right, you'll probably make
Speaker 3: a mistake and you might use it to your advantage
Speaker 3: once or twice and you realize, yeah, I don't like that.
Speaker 4: I can't live with myself. I have to find a way.
Speaker 3: To be in this world and know these things and
Speaker 3: you know, allow other people to know them in their
Speaker 3: own time. It's not necessarily incumbent upon me to go
Speaker 3: blabbing it out and telling everybody. But you know, sometimes
Speaker 3: when you can see someone is honestly seeking or learning
Speaker 3: or trying to learn, you can give them a few hints,
Speaker 3: you can give them a few clues, you can take
Speaker 3: them under your wing.
Speaker 4: But you can't do it for them when.
Speaker 3: Someone when when somebody gets the answers too easily, they
Speaker 3: just yield them willy nelly and do dumb shit with them.
Speaker 2: You're fighting a good case for the FEDS and the
Speaker 2: secret societies, Emily. That's what it's. That's what it's always
Speaker 2: been about, right, It's always been how I said that,
Speaker 2: the I've said before that it's because people ask me like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, how does this all start. I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: all always has been about information. In the garden of
Speaker 2: you didn't it was a war about information, donat from
Speaker 2: that tree, because you were going to acquire information that
Speaker 2: you otherwise weren't you weren't supposed to have that information, right,
Speaker 2: And this is the whole ideology behind secret societies and
Speaker 2: occulting knowledge only a select few. And if you join us,
Speaker 2: will let you in on the secrets. Otherwise you're gonna
Speaker 2: be the outside. But how you're saying, it's not stopping
Speaker 2: you from acquiring that knowledge if you're able to alchemize yourself,
Speaker 2: because it's always been about like the purification of yourself
Speaker 2: or looking within in this sort of weird way. Now
Speaker 2: what does that exactly mean? I don't know, but from
Speaker 2: what I've read, it's about how you're saying, this realization
Speaker 2: that you're that there's something more to you, or facing
Speaker 2: you know, getting as close to the Godhead as possible
Speaker 2: to kind of sort of acquire some of that essence,
Speaker 2: so it rubs off on you or it transforms you
Speaker 2: where you're then able to step outside of space and time.
Speaker 2: If you look at the whole story of Enoch, right
Speaker 2: and the whole premise of it, he becomes Metatron after
Speaker 2: all the things that he's shown. He becomes this overseer
Speaker 2: of reality, after all the things that he is shown
Speaker 2: by the watchers that are watching the divine alchemists at work,
Speaker 2: which is God creating and uncreating reality. So once he's
Speaker 2: exposed to all those secrets, he transforms into this angel,
Speaker 2: right Metatron.
Speaker 4: So and what does Metatron have? Medatron has his cue. Right,
Speaker 4: that's the famous sacred geometry shape.
Speaker 2: Called is that what's above you right now?
Speaker 4: Or is that that is in the Metatron's cube?
Speaker 3: But that is a that is like a sacred geometry
Speaker 3: kind of mandala, right there has some similarities to.
Speaker 4: A Metatron's cube.
Speaker 3: Though. What all of this is about is about becoming
Speaker 3: a master of the sacred geometry of space, time and sound. Yes, right,
Speaker 3: And there's different techniques for achieving that. And back to
Speaker 3: what you said about me making a good case for
Speaker 3: the Feds. You know, I do anything for you one
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been accused of.
Speaker 3: But this is the whole thing, right, Like, there's many
Speaker 3: ways to go about acquiring knowledge, and you have to
Speaker 3: decide on one that feels right and comfortable for you.
Speaker 3: But there's a huge difference between not being like told
Speaker 3: something and being lied to, right, especially when it comes
Speaker 3: to like sensitive information.
Speaker 4: And when by sensitive information, I don't mean secrets about
Speaker 4: who fucked to right. I mean, like, think.
Speaker 3: About this, if if let's just say that everything that
Speaker 3: I've ever, everything that I've said today about how portals
Speaker 3: worked is true, Okay, And then and then somebody had
Speaker 3: some idea that you or I maybe have because we
Speaker 3: seem so insightful about portals or whatever, like maybe we
Speaker 3: know they exist because we opened one or we've been
Speaker 3: to one, So.
Speaker 4: Maybe our genetics are the key.
Speaker 3: So then you're going to have people like, well, how
Speaker 3: am I going to go collect them of want and
Speaker 3: Emily's genetics? And so if I get some of it
Speaker 3: once and it works, how.
Speaker 4: Do I get more? Right?
Speaker 3: No, Having this this awareness like requires a rising level
Speaker 3: of discernment and responsibility for every learn new thing you know,
Speaker 3: Otherwise you end up with the kind of fuck cards
Speaker 3: that we all complain about who have access to vast
Speaker 3: resources and lots of knowledge and use them to do
Speaker 3: things that you know are like, you know, isn't something that.
Speaker 4: I would necessarily want to do with that knowledge, right.
Speaker 3: But my mind feeling has always been that, like people
Speaker 3: are only interested in controlling what other people do when
Speaker 3: they're not confident in their own abilities or when they
Speaker 3: really like they want to be doing the same thing
Speaker 3: that person is doing, or or they need that person
Speaker 3: in order to be able to do.
Speaker 4: What they want to do. When I'm like in my element,
Speaker 4: like when I'm at a.
Speaker 3: Party dancing, exploring hyper space dimensions, whether they really exist
Speaker 3: or they're just in my mind, Like my eyes are closed,
Speaker 3: I don't I'm paying attention to what's going on around me.
Speaker 3: I give no shits about what this person over here
Speaker 3: is doing, what this person over there is doing.
Speaker 4: And eventually I might open my eyes and.
Speaker 3: Move positions or switch over and go listen to what
Speaker 3: the speaker sounds like over here. And along the way,
Speaker 3: someone might catch my eye because they're a good dancer,
Speaker 3: and I recognize that they're mastering the art of the
Speaker 3: sacred geometry of space, time and sound, and I want
Speaker 3: to see how they do it right, and so they
Speaker 3: have my attention. But like other than that, like I
Speaker 3: don't care what they're doing. I'm just like I like
Speaker 3: to figure out my way. I like to see what
Speaker 3: other people are doing. They don't have to tell me.
Speaker 3: I can observe and guess for myself, or sometimes they
Speaker 3: will let you. Sometimes people will be like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is what I do. This is why I do it,
Speaker 3: This is what happens for me when I do it.
Speaker 3: It's all kind of in how you approach it, right,
Speaker 3: But it's like, you know, this obsession with knowing what
Speaker 3: everybody is doing all the time does not speak highly,
Speaker 3: does not convince me that they're very intelligent. It convinces
Speaker 3: me that they have attained a level of knowledge that
Speaker 3: lets them know that there are powerful creators and magicians
Speaker 3: and travelers out there, and that they're not one of them,
Speaker 3: and so they're going to go They want access to
Speaker 3: all that juice.
Speaker 2: But we know that the right So the act of
Speaker 2: voyeurism or or observing or write the watchers, this whole concept.
Speaker 2: I don't know where the double Slit experiment, right, if
Speaker 2: it's quantum physics or whatever it is, shows and illustrates
Speaker 2: that observing has some effect on reality. Is it me
Speaker 2: that that inspires me?
Speaker 4: Like? Sure?
Speaker 3: The best part of it, especially if you have something
Speaker 3: that you want people to do, like if you have
Speaker 3: figured out the equation for if I observe someone in
Speaker 3: a certain circumstance, it then affects the outcome and causes
Speaker 3: them to do that next. So I'm sure there's people
Speaker 3: who've been able to manipulate some of that. But I
Speaker 3: would even go far out on a limb and say, like,
Speaker 3: all of this surveillance is really based on our observations
Speaker 3: of ourselfs, which doesn't make it.
Speaker 4: Okay. I am not pro surveillance or anything.
Speaker 3: Like that, but all of these systems that have been
Speaker 3: built they mimic something in nature. And I think our
Speaker 3: reality was set up so that we could observe ourself
Speaker 3: over time and make changes to ourselves to become better,
Speaker 3: to become more, to become more in line, to make
Speaker 3: the person we see ourselves as matched person we actually are,
Speaker 3: or whatever it is, right, And you know, so think
Speaker 3: about we're in some system that works a certain way,
Speaker 3: and if some people get hip to the fact of
Speaker 3: how that work and everyone doesn't, you can build a
Speaker 3: smaller system within that that does all of the same things,
Speaker 3: but that you're in charge of. And let's say the
Speaker 3: nature is an open system that there's really no one
Speaker 3: in charge. We're all just observing ourselves and my experience
Speaker 3: of observing myself is interacting with your experience of observing
Speaker 3: yourself and whatever it is, and it's it's an open system.
Speaker 3: And then somebody comes along and it's like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to create a walled off garden within that system that
Speaker 3: I've watched how this happens, how all the observation affects behavior.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to create a closed system that I'm
Speaker 3: in charge of, right and so like, so I'm the
Speaker 3: person observing, I've cut them off from the people who
Speaker 3: are inside this construct. I've cut them off for the
Speaker 3: hire of self that has exists in the open system. Right,
Speaker 3: But they will still feel like they are being watched
Speaker 3: and being observed, but they will be being observed by me,
Speaker 3: and so they will become what I want them to
Speaker 3: be instead of what they want to be.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: I do think that we are living with some of that, right,
Speaker 3: Like I don't think I don't think we're all the
Speaker 3: way in Panopticon completely surveilled and controlled kind of scenarios.
Speaker 3: But like you've walked into some place where you're like
Speaker 3: it feels creepy in here, Like I feel like I'm.
Speaker 4: Taking a piss and someone is watching me.
Speaker 2: Right, so are are we in the Garden of Eden stuff?
Speaker 2: You look at the Garden of Eden story, then that
Speaker 2: sort of where like the Truman Show, which is kind
Speaker 2: of garden of Eden e right where it's like this
Speaker 2: whole omni present and and I think we're creeping up
Speaker 2: that way because like right now, one hundred percent they're
Speaker 2: listening in on us here, like they're one hundred percent
Speaker 2: listening So tech, we sleep with this on us. We
Speaker 2: give them our biometric data and all of our health data.
Speaker 2: You don't think Samsung is collecting on this data and everything, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like we're already willingly giving
Speaker 2: up this information. He said, we're the we're the free
Speaker 2: range chickens right now, and we're in this control how
Speaker 2: you're saying, this controlled group right, which it's getting bigger
Speaker 2: and bigger and bigger. And Gustave Lebon talked about right,
Speaker 2: crowds and what constitutes a crowd. Well, a crowd could
Speaker 2: be an entire nation of people, right, and and you know,
Speaker 2: ideas start traveling in between them. Maybe that's the phenomenon
Speaker 2: that they're trying to investigate. But there's oh, at the
Speaker 2: core of this whole thing, It's like where does the
Speaker 2: it is there? The conspiracy is is there a quantum
Speaker 2: state informational freeway sort of thing? Right? And who can
Speaker 2: tap into or what can tap into it. How you're saying,
Speaker 2: are the higher ups interdimensional lizard people or moon children
Speaker 2: or whatever it is, Because it's just making me think
Speaker 2: of how many people are born to be in that class,
Speaker 2: because if you look at like the whole shaman class,
Speaker 2: it's always a select group of people who are put
Speaker 2: in that position. It's not just anybody. They either need
Speaker 2: to be initiated or they're born into that. It seems
Speaker 2: like the people who are at the top are usually
Speaker 2: born to be there. They've been a politician all their life,
Speaker 2: their dad's been a politician, or their dad was a president.
Speaker 3: When we hear about like these these you know, familty
Speaker 3: families or royalty or certain classes or casts in the
Speaker 3: Indian system, this a lot has to do with bloodlines.
Speaker 4: And like when we think of bloodlines.
Speaker 3: We think of like ridiculously wealthy British people who have
Speaker 3: these like ridiculous homes and they have a crest and
Speaker 3: they have all these old art and crazy shit.
Speaker 4: But we're really talking about is like what is the
Speaker 4: makeup of their blood, What trace elements are in their
Speaker 4: blood that differentiate them from everyone else, and what are
Speaker 4: what what properties do those elements those trace elements have,
Speaker 4: what does that give them access to? What does that
Speaker 4: cut them off from?
Speaker 3: And you know, are the decisions being made to keep
Speaker 3: that cure or our decisions being made to mix it
Speaker 3: with another thing that will expand the power of that
Speaker 3: genetic that that that that collection of genetics. Right, I
Speaker 3: think that this is a lot of what you know.
Speaker 3: I think there's two different there, at least two we'll
Speaker 3: just go we'll keep it simple.
Speaker 4: For right now.
Speaker 3: Two different kinds of like arranged marriages, right, And I
Speaker 3: think some are pretty basic and some are pretty complicated,
Speaker 3: and most are probably some combination thereof so arranged marriages
Speaker 3: and some societies are really just about like making sure
Speaker 3: that your family has enough stuff, enough land, enough cattle
Speaker 3: or property or people to work with all that or
Speaker 3: whatever it is. And other group societies where there's a
Speaker 3: more sort of alchemical tradition or they're trying to preserve
Speaker 3: some you know, ancestral technology or lore, are very careful
Speaker 3: able about the recipe that they're using to bake the bread. Right,
Speaker 3: and likely some combination of both of those things is
Speaker 3: probably what they feel like is ideal. But I think
Speaker 3: that you know, and I don't I'm sure you've probably
Speaker 3: heard me talk about this before. I do think that
Speaker 3: this is some of the knowledge or law or secrecy
Speaker 3: that's being passed down in you know, secret societies like
Speaker 3: you know Scottish write Freemasons or Knights Templar.
Speaker 4: Or you know, anyone any number of these things.
Speaker 3: Is that they understand that components of their of themselves
Speaker 3: and their children, right, and they're trying to make sure
Speaker 3: that these ingredients get mixed only with ingredients that either
Speaker 3: preserve the status.
Speaker 4: Or improve the status of the bread you're baking, right.
Speaker 3: And so I think that they have almost like gang signals,
Speaker 3: like you know how like graffiti artists may tags or
Speaker 3: gang signals have symbols that they let people.
Speaker 4: Know what they are so that they can know if
Speaker 4: they should interact with them or not.
Speaker 3: Like, my mom's name is ruth Anne Moyer. Okay, my
Speaker 3: mom was born in nineteen forty four. Okay, Element number
Speaker 3: forty four on.
Speaker 4: The periodic table is ruthinium.
Speaker 3: Ruthenium sure sounds a lot like ruth Anne Moyer, Right,
Speaker 3: it's okay. So, ruthenium is a super conductive element. It
Speaker 3: means it has very low electrical resistance. Well, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you were going to make someone who could
Speaker 3: walk through walls or move through portals or time traveler,
Speaker 3: dimensional travel or something, my guess would be would want
Speaker 3: them to have low electrical resistance, to be super conductive.
Speaker 4: Or if you were right, type of thing.
Speaker 3: And so, but you need something to probably balance that out, right,
Speaker 3: So you might be looking.
Speaker 4: Or something to catalyze that. Right. So my mom's father
Speaker 4: was a Mason, right.
Speaker 3: He also was a lifelong member of the Schizophrenia International
Speaker 3: Research Society. That's a topic for another day, but I
Speaker 3: do believe my mom had compartmentalized schizophrenia, okay, which turned
Speaker 3: into Alzheimer's and dementia in her older age.
Speaker 4: And your buddy Thomas tells.
Speaker 3: Us all about how that works, right, okay, and how
Speaker 3: the Masons are obsessed with dementia precoxe right, this is
Speaker 3: why they're obsessed with it. But my mom was ruth
Speaker 3: Anne Moyer number four. So I'm saying that the periodic
Speaker 3: table could almost be like an outgrowth of the Masonic floorboard,
Speaker 3: and that she's remember forty four, right, She was born
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty four, and he named her Ruthan right,
Speaker 3: And and you know. So it's a way of saying, hey,
Speaker 3: like my kid comes with ruthenium in the blood, right,
Speaker 3: And my mom was supposed to go to Stanford, right,
Speaker 3: and at the last minute she decided she wanted to
Speaker 3: go to UCLA.
Speaker 4: Her dad lost his shit, right, and it was like
Speaker 4: the UCLA is the little red schoolhouse, you know.
Speaker 2: And ruthenium can be found in blood too. That's crazy.
Speaker 4: I tell I've done my research. I'll say, you want
Speaker 4: to know what you want to know where you find
Speaker 4: ruthenium like you could you can find it like in
Speaker 4: Oaklow Gabone.
Speaker 3: It's this one of the places where there's the most
Speaker 3: deposit of it. And Oaklow Gabone is where there's the
Speaker 3: two billion year old natural fission reactor.
Speaker 4: And how they know that there was.
Speaker 3: A natural fission reactor there is because of the amount
Speaker 3: of ruthenium that's in the soil, right and so right
Speaker 3: it Oaklow Gabone, Oka l O Gabone.
Speaker 4: It's in a country in Africa.
Speaker 3: Look up to fission reactor Oaklow Gaboney.
Speaker 4: I can't even bring up. I don't understand how to screen.
Speaker 2: The natural nuclear reactor located West Africa is a geological
Speaker 2: phenomenon where natural nuclear fission reacts occurred approximately one point
Speaker 2: seven billion years ago, and it's the only known example
Speaker 2: of such a reactor. What the fuck?
Speaker 4: So I'll look this, I'll show you this.
Speaker 3: I was looking at a lot of these things simultaneously,
Speaker 3: but like not intentionally. I happened to be researching some
Speaker 3: things about my mom and researching some things about fission
Speaker 3: infusion and whatever.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 3: The Oaklow phenomenon, a natural nuclear reactor discovered in Gabone,
Speaker 3: demonstrates that fission products, including ruthenium, were captured in rock grains,
Speaker 3: offering insights into nuclear waste storage and the behavior of
Speaker 3: radioactive elements over vast geological time scales.
Speaker 2: Would they sacrifice people here? How does that work?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Gabone is also the culture where we get Iboga from.
Speaker 3: And I did a bunch of shows with James Johansson,
Speaker 3: who's very well studied on Iboga, where we threaded together
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of stuff. And I think that the
Speaker 3: bark of the tree, which is the tabernath tree that
Speaker 3: they're using in their ibogas ceremonies, is probably uptaking Ruthini
Speaker 3: him from the soil into the root, and so the
Speaker 3: information of those reactions from all that distance back in
Speaker 3: time is sort of coming into the bodies of these people,
Speaker 3: and they're able to transfer ancestral information.
Speaker 4: Through these rituals. They're like time travel ceremonial rituals. Right.
Speaker 3: All that stuff has the information of everything that's happened
Speaker 3: there stored in it, right, Okay, So, so my mom
Speaker 3: is ruth Anne Moyer. She represents ruthenium on the periodic table.
Speaker 3: Her dad lost his shit when she wanted to go
Speaker 3: to ucla little red schoolhouse. He was afraid of communists.
Speaker 3: He was a banker that had worked for the War
Speaker 3: Department and moved to Sacramento and the migration of those
Speaker 3: people out to the West coast. But suddenly he became
Speaker 3: okay with things when my mother, through being fixed up,
Speaker 3: met my father. And it's weird because my father was
Speaker 3: a Jewish Man and my grandfather was not, and you'd
Speaker 3: think he wouldn't have been okay with that, But it
Speaker 3: just so happens that my father's name is Richard Allan Moyer,
Speaker 3: and I have figured out through a similar process of
Speaker 3: divination that my father represents radium on the periodic table.
Speaker 3: So radium is element eighty eight. So my mom is
Speaker 3: forty four and my dad is eighty eight. Now eighty
Speaker 3: eight is double forty four, So that's interesting. But if
Speaker 3: you add forty four in eighty eight, you get one
Speaker 3: thirty two one plus three. Right, one plus thirty two
Speaker 3: is thirty three. Seems to me that that might be
Speaker 3: the signature of how Mason's coded some of their some
Speaker 3: of their stuff.
Speaker 4: Right. Both of my parents like their initial is RAM.
Speaker 4: What is RAM?
Speaker 3: RAM is random access memory in computer terminology. Right, So
Speaker 3: if you put these two things together, are you creating
Speaker 3: a perfect genetic lineage that is able to sort of
Speaker 3: tap back into all of the data stored like throughout.
Speaker 4: You know, in the family family lineages.
Speaker 3: Throughout history, able to create a child, maybe even a moonchild,
Speaker 3: which my astrology and my birth date and all the
Speaker 3: circumstances of my birth seem to match up to.
Speaker 4: I don't understand what that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe that or not, but
Speaker 3: it's weird that when I read about it, I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: that's weird.
Speaker 4: It matches everything from when I was born.
Speaker 3: Like, what if what the moonchild is is the one
Speaker 3: who can tap into that ram those random access memories
Speaker 3: and like pull that information right into the present.
Speaker 2: What's your what's your element?
Speaker 3: So I've heard I don't know, I've heard iridium from somebody, right,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I haven't done the work on myself yet. Right.
Speaker 3: It's it's a deep dive every time you go into this, right,
Speaker 3: but someone with you know, some ability to know about
Speaker 3: some of the elements suggested perhaps it's a ridium, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't go anywhere with my name, right, But my
Speaker 3: name means something kind of interesting, right, My my my
Speaker 3: name is basically like, uh, like a steward that is
Speaker 3: a clairvoyant, right, is that what mean?
Speaker 4: Emily?
Speaker 3: Emily means like hard working steward, and Claire, which is
Speaker 3: my middle.
Speaker 4: Name, means clairvoyant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have a hard working steward of the clairvoyants.
Speaker 2: Which I mean you do put that out. You're definitely
Speaker 2: hardworking into the mysteries of the mind, right, I mean
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that any or all of that is true,
Speaker 4: but it was. It's weird.
Speaker 3: It's like did my parents name me that accidentally? Where
Speaker 3: they just like, oh, we like this name. It's pretty
Speaker 3: and they named me that, so I became that?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Or did they name me that because they knew what
Speaker 4: I would be?
Speaker 3: And if they're coming from one of these families that
Speaker 3: does this, they know how to get the child to
Speaker 3: do that is by naming them the right thing.
Speaker 4: Names are important.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that people kind of sort of you know,
Speaker 2: this is the weird part about like astrology and all
Speaker 2: this stuff, where the way I've come to see it
Speaker 2: is those who understand and you know, when they say
Speaker 2: you wear your heart on your sleevel, some people wear
Speaker 2: their astrological alignment on their face like sort of and
Speaker 2: people sometimes fall into like their name, right, and is
Speaker 2: it the indoctrination of again, my name is Juan, so
Speaker 2: I have nothing special there, but like is it being
Speaker 2: called hey, Emily, Emily, Emily your entire fucking life, like
Speaker 2: over and over and over again, where then you fall
Speaker 2: in line with that the meaning of it, right, the
Speaker 2: the the phonetics of it, like at the core of
Speaker 2: the whole thing, like is it ingrained in your genetics,
Speaker 2: like your name, and then that influences how you name
Speaker 2: your next kid, like a lot of guys like to
Speaker 2: name their kid juniors, you know, after them, so then
Speaker 2: that passes that on and then you know you have
Speaker 2: Juan the Fifth or whatever it is, because they keep
Speaker 2: that same line. That kind of sort of plays into
Speaker 2: the whole bloodlines and everything. But is there a way,
Speaker 2: you know, to escape all this, Emily, Is there a
Speaker 2: way to not give into the system of all the
Speaker 2: things we've talked about on this episode, you know, giving
Speaker 2: them our data, giving them all this stuff is there?
Speaker 2: Do you think is there a way to to bypass
Speaker 2: that or do you just go with the flow, or like,
Speaker 2: what's the endgame here? Do you have any I.
Speaker 3: Think this answer is different for each individual, right, But
Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing isn't about like like feeling
Speaker 3: like we need to avoid everything or participate in everything.
Speaker 4: I think it's really about.
Speaker 3: Like understanding like the domain that you're in and what's
Speaker 3: appropriate for that. It's kind of like and I've been
Speaker 3: talking about those like with Danny a little bit yesterday,
Speaker 3: and I was talking about it with you know, Mario Garza.
Speaker 3: I was having like a private conversation with him, Like
Speaker 3: when you become an adult, you have to like develop
Speaker 3: a work life balance and you know that like this
Speaker 3: is your time for work and it's like really not
Speaker 3: fair to your kids if you bring your work home
Speaker 3: and you're sitting at the dinner table doing your work
Speaker 3: or on your phone having your meeting while you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be playing with your kids. And we make mistakes,
Speaker 3: but eventually we sort out like a work life balance
Speaker 3: that works for us, right. I think it's like that
Speaker 3: with like technology and the system that that sort of
Speaker 3: feeds us into.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like when you.
Speaker 3: Know, you go to this place or at this time
Speaker 3: of day, I'm involving myself in that, and so for
Speaker 3: those purposes, I you know, signed up for this and
Speaker 3: signed up for that, and I log into this and
Speaker 3: I log into that. But when I'm done with that
Speaker 3: and I walk away from that, like I'm not taking
Speaker 3: that everywhere with me. I don't think we need to
Speaker 3: take our phone with us everywhere we go. I don't
Speaker 3: think all of our vacations need to be someplace that
Speaker 3: has Netflix on the TV and this that.
Speaker 4: So, but I think the recipe is different.
Speaker 3: For everybody, right, And if we were going to work
Speaker 3: on something collectively rather than saying like this is good
Speaker 3: and everyone should be forced to do it, or this
Speaker 3: is bad and it should be abolished. I think like
Speaker 3: the collective push could be for having all of these
Speaker 3: systems and technologies be opt in or opt out, and right, like,
Speaker 3: I think that's like so that everybody can decide for
Speaker 3: themselves what they participate in to what extent and when
Speaker 3: they want away from it. And I think everybody deserves
Speaker 3: to like have a place where they can go and
Speaker 3: be quiet and not be listened to and not be
Speaker 3: spied on, and not be worried that the things that
Speaker 3: they say are being overheard or whatever the fuck it is, right,
Speaker 3: So I think it, But I don't think the answer
Speaker 3: or is to just like bomb us back to the
Speaker 3: Stone age.
Speaker 4: And I don't think the answer.
Speaker 3: Is just like well, we should just all do it
Speaker 3: and then everybody will have full surveillance and transparent No,
Speaker 3: I don't, Like I think it's just everyone has to
Speaker 3: decide for themselves what they're comfortable with and how much
Speaker 3: right and and when and and then you know, know
Speaker 3: where you are, like you know, like let's be more
Speaker 3: mindful about like taking our phone with us when we're
Speaker 3: going to have a really deep important personal conversation with them.
Speaker 3: And now for all the paranoia we have about what
Speaker 3: you were saying about. We have our data and our
Speaker 3: phone and whatever. Like you know, we'll all sometimes get like,
Speaker 3: let's not talk about that near our phone, but sometimes
Speaker 3: we forget to not talk about it near our phone, right,
Speaker 3: And somebody's never shown up and been like, you're arrested
Speaker 3: for what you talked about when you thought we weren't,
Speaker 3: Lizzie or whatever.
Speaker 4: Right we have Like I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to say it's unfounded paranoia, but it's like,
Speaker 3: I think it's more just like developing.
Speaker 4: This sort of balance. When you're at school, you're at school.
Speaker 3: When you're at work, you're a work, When you're your
Speaker 3: family with your family, When you're with the technology, you are,
Speaker 3: and when you're not with the technology, you're not, and
Speaker 3: not all of this.
Speaker 4: We don't need to have it for everything.
Speaker 3: I think it's okay to be like I don't want
Speaker 3: to go to a restaurant with like a QR code
Speaker 3: and a digital thing all the time. I think it's
Speaker 3: fine that those exist, but I don't want that to
Speaker 3: be my only choice, right, Like, sometimes it's nice to
Speaker 3: do it the old fashioned way and just understanding sort
Speaker 3: of what you know.
Speaker 4: That idea of like what jurisdiction you're in.
Speaker 3: I think that goes not just for like the law,
Speaker 3: but also for like degrees of technology.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, my room was mapping on my entire house,
Speaker 2: taking pictures of me and collecting my data as well,
Speaker 2: So you know that's going to be interesting to want,
Speaker 2: you know, speaking of what work life balance, check out
Speaker 2: the show Severance. Have you seen that show yet?
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. I think it's on Apple and
Speaker 3: I don't have Apple TV, but I will check it out.
Speaker 2: I can send you a link if you don't want
Speaker 2: to give them money, So check that out, because it's
Speaker 2: like touching on what you're like the links people are
Speaker 2: willing to go. And I think that the paranoia is
Speaker 2: a byproduct of our system, like as it is. And
Speaker 2: then plus you and I are in this you know,
Speaker 2: conspiracy realm, so I think that just heightens that a
Speaker 2: little bit more. We're surrounded by other people who are
Speaker 2: also skitz so as fuck, and they're you know, in
Speaker 2: a heightened level. Then it's like a herd mentality type
Speaker 2: of thing where you know we're participating in it, but
Speaker 2: at the same time you're recognizing all the bullshit that's
Speaker 2: going on, and you kind of sort of know that
Speaker 2: you're in the system, and it's like, wouldn't you want
Speaker 2: to know you're in a matrix to be able to
Speaker 2: navigate it a little bit differently than the regular person.
Speaker 2: So that's the way I see it. But Emily, let's
Speaker 2: let's get together again sooner than later, and I want
Speaker 2: to talk about this nuclear reactor thing because that's super,
Speaker 2: super interesting, and so watch Severance. We'll pick up our conversation.
Speaker 3: I'm going to send you that I did. It's about
Speaker 3: three shows with James Johnson a few years ago. I'm
Speaker 3: going to send them to you because I think there's
Speaker 3: things in there that you might want to mine for
Speaker 3: ideas for us to talk about, because I think you're
Speaker 3: gonna like speaking of mining ancient grounds. Yeah, those are
Speaker 3: some of my favorite shows a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: So I will send those on to you, and yes.
Speaker 2: Plug your stuff for the people at home. I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed our conversation as always, I mean, we always have
Speaker 2: great conversations. We never know what the fuck we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about, but here we.
Speaker 3: Are right just you know, go to Emily Moyer on
Speaker 3: YouTube and then really the best place that you can
Speaker 3: like that has like the entire archive of all my
Speaker 3: work is Patreon dot com for slash off Plant Media.
Speaker 3: I do think that with the new series, I might
Speaker 3: start substack just for the new series. It'll still be
Speaker 3: available on my other places as well, but people seem
Speaker 3: to be into sub stack, so I might do just
Speaker 3: something with that series on substack, but it'll still be
Speaker 3: available everywhere, And I look forward to our conversations always.
Speaker 3: You can come over to my house for the next
Speaker 3: one if you want or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's amazing to me that the places the
Speaker 3: homunculus has been popping up.
Speaker 4: Right in uh like bizarre like it's it's.
Speaker 3: In the it's it's it's been in like two or
Speaker 3: three books I've read recently. And the way that it
Speaker 3: is all like focused around the ear also brings me
Speaker 3: to like certain aspects of weird things I experienced with
Speaker 3: my ears during the sort of years of control that
Speaker 3: I felt. So I'd love to chat about that with
Speaker 3: you sometime, but we can definitely talk about oak logabone
Speaker 3: and I boga and ruthenium and all this kind of
Speaker 3: anytime you like, my friend, I always enjoy it.
Speaker 4: Thanks everybody for listening.
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