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Speaker 1: Spread the word about the pirate ship.
Speaker 2: Kevin is here and we've got uh. We'll learn some
things about the papal and all the papal people. What's
happening with the pope, And I mean it's a global thing.
It's interesting to me to see how it all kind
of goes down.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And we will talk to former Buffalo Saber and current
and I believe system head coach or head coach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, former Emmork too, yeah, former Ammark Date Paige. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Former I'm so badly.
Speaker 1: I gotta find a way to weave it in. Don't
get me a phone call to get you a phone call.
I gotta weave it in. I gotta weave it in. Das,
don't call me about that too. Danny is here.
Speaker 2: I was worried about Danny just a few minutes ago. Yeah, no,
I understand, but I but this is the uh, this
is the message I got from Dan. Right here, miss
Bro five minutes, four minutes and fifty five seconds long,
and we tell you me.
Speaker 1: Five minutes, Bro, five minutes.
Speaker 2: It's like it's the greatest drop ever. Five minutes, Bro,
five minutes. I feel bad that you were rushing in here.
We were trying to we we don't begin to show up.
It's fine, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I know that you have you have sometimes oh yeah, yeah,
one time with that one lady who was trying to
have a rocks paper scissors contest no payoff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're lucky weren't here for that. That's why
I showed up for Sometimes I book winners. Sometimes I don't. Oh,
that doesn't matter, It doesn't matter. It's all they can't
all be Ten's Danny.
Speaker 3: But they take the NFL draft with you.
Speaker 2: No, but the the construction is outrageous right now. Yeah,
I mean four ninety. If I don't remember to get
off at Fisher, I'm stuck in that dead lock because
the yeah, it goes down one lege.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then so they all cut off here, they
all you know, yeah, But and the other thing too,
is the potholes still haven't been resolved. So here's what
I'm thinking, we do a pothole registry where someone who
listens to Billified could like make a donation and and
they that's like like let's say our friend Sukes, who
are friend Kevin Jerry dude day all right, even though
we're not supposed to give their real names. Or you
met Durr one four second?
Speaker 1: Did you confirm with him my thought that I had
heard in the courtroom because there was there was a
few there was a few Hispanics that had like really
Hispanic names that spoke nothing but real Spanish.
Speaker 3: Bro it's LATINX name.
Speaker 1: They and they had a couple like they mean, why
can't you mad the jury no speak English? And I
feel like I kind of said it might have been
in my head, but I think suits might have almost
said the same thing. I don't, I don't understand, I
don't I don't speak I don't understand. If full I
would have been like, yeah, ask him about his degree
from fisher Man like that, but I I thought I
heard him say he doesn't speak English and doesn't understand
those very well, which would be a great you in
or out of a jury. I'm out. How I can't wait?
I can't.
Speaker 3: You can't stop it, I said, waiting in line.
Speaker 1: W A, I t D you can't. I don't want
to perjure myself.
Speaker 2: No, I understand, because I have jury duty that I
postponed until June, and I have a funny feeling I'm
going to get shafted.
Speaker 1: Here's the secret. I'll tell you off how I got
out of it.
Speaker 3: Here's the secret. You tell them that you're a available
on good Friday, and they always say okay, and no court,
no judge, no lawyers want to do court on good Friday.
Speaker 1: Yea, but I can't how he works? It works lost.
He does it all the time. They tell you when
to come yeah, they tell you that you postpone it. No,
they'll give you a postpone it once.
Speaker 3: Right, So like say, hey, look I could probably do
around this time of year. That would have been good
to say, I can probably do it a good Friday.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well you go out and come back in
five minutes.
Speaker 3: My boss does it all the time.
Speaker 1: I don't know they did.
Speaker 2: They sent me weeks that I could postpone it two
at months. What month would work?
Speaker 1: So maybe April was in there and I don't remember,
but Sam postponed. Sam postponed his because he was at school. Yeah,
he postponed it. He had to do it over Christmas break. Okay,
he went for a day and it was he was like,
this sucks. Were you there all day? I had to
call it twelve fifteen, Yeah, and they said my number
had to report by one thirty. I'm like, this is difficult.
I mean, I work in Henry Attam, But what if
I worked in State Dansville or something like that. I'm
not making it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or if you worked in Buffalo rather there are
people right or that day you're in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: But I guess the other side of it, you may
have this. So yeah, accordingly, well.
Speaker 3: That's the idea's supposed tell your employer I have jury
duty that But if I work.
Speaker 1: In Buffalo, how am I going to get Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 3: The point is, though, is that I am expected to
be called for the jury duty that day, So you're
supposed to just stay.
Speaker 1: Home and do it. Have you done jerry duty?
Speaker 3: I've been called three times, and the reason I was
called three times was because for some reason they still
had me registered in Chautago County where I grew up.
Then the second so then I had I go, I
don't live here anymore if my brother didn't live at
the address that I grew up, and then I would
still be like, oh, they'd have a warn out for
me because nobody ever switched the addresses of New York State,
so screwed up. So then I also got called in
Monroe County when they discovered that. Okay, so you do
you do? You do exist, You're just not in Chautago County,
so we call you from Monroe County. And then my
number just didn't get called, so I got out of it.
So that's six months later I get another note. I'm like,
wait a minute, I already went through this, and the gentleman,
who was great on the phone, said, okay, what happens
is there's two jury duty lists. One's your license and
one's your address. There's two lists, and so yeah, there's
well there he told me there were two lists, and
so don't worry, we got this taken care of. You
won't get called for another seven years. It's like, oh,
thank god.
Speaker 1: Find you by voting to vote d m V if
you move yes, so different all the different ways that
you registered. Quote with the state.
Speaker 2: By the way, did anybody get the enhanced license?
Speaker 3: I have no. Do you mean the no, because every
time I go there, No, you need this, No, you
need this too. I'm like, I can't find my social
Security card.
Speaker 1: Oh I ordered a social Security card.
Speaker 3: I tried, and they won't let me do it. Seriously,
the website will not allow me to do it. I
put all the information in here. We passed by it
on the Paradehen you almost got into that argument for
that place.
Speaker 1: You have to go into it for that and like, oh,
that's where it is, that's built. I didn't almost get
in an argument I did. I told somebody to get
their dog in a leash that birth certificates. You have
to go physically because they have to person. If they
have to stamp it, I have to bring a W
two proof Wow.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we did the pothole registry. Yeah, and people could,
like you know, pay money to have their pothole in
their name.
Speaker 1: I'd rather to be a Jersey to the right.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's not a bad idea. You want to full circle? No,
I got you, it's full circle. Uh better off left uncircled.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's Jamison.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking at porn. No no, no, okay, all right, good.
Speaker 2: I was just making sure well with guests, guests coming
on and they're going to be joining us for you
the computer, I wanted to make sure the emails actually
went through and I as I hit my phone about
six or seven outlook things opened up, so I thought
they were cancelations. Here's something that I called this episode
on YouTube. I called it uh education And because we're
gonna get educated about the Pope stuff, we'll get educated
about the Amerks and what's going on there.
Speaker 1: We'll do our game.
Speaker 2: But I did see this, and since both of you
guys are married on I thought this would be an
interesting one. There's a psychologist named doctor John Gottman. He's
famed for his groundbak breaking marriage studies and claims that
you don't need to snoop through your partner's phone to
predict divorce.
Speaker 1: Oh I think I heard this. You just watched their
face m hm.
Speaker 2: Specifically, a subtle one sided smirk or contempt is the
biggest red flag. This guy claims he is ninety three
point six percent accurate on predicting divorce based on this
and other negative behaviors. He calls the four Horsemen of
the Apocalypse criticism contempt defensiveness is stonewalling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they said they can pretty a pretty good accuracy.
Speaker 2: Why do you say it like, yeah, yeah, I've been there.
Speaker 3: Did the Kelly ripple look signs?
Speaker 1: Are guys? Yea yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Body language expert Vanessa van Edwards. Don't worry. We heard,
oh you were here. I was gonna say, don't worry.
We heard a story last night about somebody, but you
were here. He was not here.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah that was it. Yeah, we did hear a
story last night.
Speaker 3: That someone takes so much pride in doing something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, I let me do something to be proud of.
Let me interlude for a second. I don't know that
you can really blame that person. They didn't know until
they knew.
Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I don't think they knew until they knew. Oh no,
they did one. They got going, but not initially, but
not initially, And I go, really, who's the bad person here?
Who's the bad person here? I mean, yes, it takes
two to tango d That is true. Body language expert.
This breaks down how contempt is different from other emotions.
But I'll say this, our subconsciousness, I think where there
used to be. Don't wear your heart on your sleeve.
I would be called out in meetings because I had
contempt written all over my face, Like I hated some
of the meetings that I had to go.
Speaker 1: I remember, were you worse than bj D?
Speaker 2: Jay was a pain in the ass because he would
he would fire off like a fucking car alarm about
some shit that just didn't matter.
Speaker 1: It just didn't matter. He was making mountains out of molehill.
He just didn't want to be there. No, I didn't
want to be there. I just wanted we didn't want
to be there.
Speaker 3: But also, like the idea presented didn't make sense.
Speaker 2: But I will say this, I think our subconscious expressions
are more honest than our words.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's why they That's why they called the
seven thirty eight to fifty five rule in communication? What
is seven percent of the What are the words you use?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: Thirty eight is a tone in fifty five is your
body language.
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you know what else is coming up Sinco demn Mio
and they've got celebrations at bTB wood Fire Pizza and
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think they sold it, but he was involved in that
he's in coffee now, Yes, yes, doing coffee along with
five dollars house Margarita's eight dollars casamigo margaritas. Excuse me, uh,
four dollars over stuffed tacos, and believe me they are.
If they're saying over stuffed these things. I mean it's
like Warren Peace that's coming at you.
Speaker 1: You know you you can't eat these tacos out a
fork in this morning.
Speaker 2: Really, four dollars over stuffed tacos. That's amazing and so
much more.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 2: Here's why get out ahead of things a little bit.
Plan your sink of tomayo, right, May the fifth be
with you.
Speaker 1: Let's go for sinco. I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Does it coach side with the Kentucky Derby this year
or no?
Speaker 1: Well it's a Monday. Oh okay, it is a Monday.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it doesn't.
Speaker 2: So I would say watch the Derby, but they'll have
the Derby on there. Well, yeah, the Derby will be there.
May uh is that May fourth?
Speaker 1: Yeah? May third? May third, and they'll have Saturday drink
specials for that julips and yeah, always fun leftover glue.
Maybe that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: BTV would fire pizza and grill in the mall Grease Switch.
They make it all fun and I want the over
stuffed tacos now.
Speaker 1: I killed and cannot get them out of my brain.
I've tried to get them bring them up to you,
but he did. They make the meat fresh every ing. Yeah,
I'll go, I'll go in.
Speaker 3: There was that one thing we had that was like halves.
You and I split it. Oh that was amazing, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh it was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was the grilled cheese special right, yes, it's on special.
Speaker 1: And the thing I think it wears three pass three
and a half house. It's a great thing.
Speaker 2: And I will tell you like, I eat half and
I can eat and it shows these days. Uh three
and a half in six out you can. You can
eat half there and be full, take the other half
home and heat it up.
Speaker 1: God, is it's so good.
Speaker 2: bTB would fire pizza and grill in the mall at
Grease Ridge, Kevin. I don't want to embarrass you, but
you should.
Speaker 1: Father Hubert was your French French and theology theology at Aquinas.
Speaker 2: Okay, you cannot tell me what the song means at all?
Can you?
Speaker 1: I can tell you the name of the young lady. Okay,
what is the name?
Speaker 2: Close personal friend of father Hubert. She has a beautiful voice.
Father Hubert, thank you for taking the time to join
us and I I don't want to uh. I'm sure
you were an excellent teacher. I'm just not sure how
good a student?
Speaker 1: Kevin?
Speaker 5: What was he was pretty good. You were actually just
playing a song in German.
Speaker 1: Gave me one job.
Speaker 5: It was a French singer, but she sing a lot.
Speaker 1: You had one job.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry to laugh, but that is the funniest
And you know, I should have known when I looked
at the title it didn't look very French.
Speaker 1: It looked like it had more almost.
Speaker 2: Guttural sounds and a lot of v's in the beginning
of words. Do you speak German as well?
Speaker 5: Only a little?
Speaker 2: Only a little? How many languages do you speak?
Speaker 5: French, Spanish and English?
Speaker 2: I think speaking another language to me is one of
the greatest.
Speaker 1: You don't have Latin?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, but you don't speak Latin really?
Speaker 1: Sorry?
Speaker 2: Written now, My son took Latin from six great to
senior year. He was all about.
Speaker 1: He was a Jesuit though we don't like Yes, he
wouldn't like that side great.
Speaker 2: But I went to Saint John Fisher, which was bazillion.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My father was a graduate of there in nineteen sixty
nine and I was a graduate.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety four. And uh and and Dan, who's here, It.
Speaker 2: Was a graduate one year, two thousands, two thousand and two,
two thousand and two.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm a class of eighty five.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Boy, you have served a lot of roles, in very
educational roles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a big
deal with the passing of the pulpe and I and
I know this is a deeply emotional moment for Catholics
around the world. What spiritual and emotional impact does it
have on the global church community and clergy like yourself?
Speaker 5: Well, the Holy Father is is our father, and so
he's our paternal figure. We looked at him for guidance
and it vice and for the direction of the church,
and so we feel like orphans when he's not with us.
And it struck me. I'm in Orlando right now at
the National Catholic Education Association's convention with thirty five hundred
other Catholic school people and the bishop celebrated Mass yesterday
and it kind of hit me when you know in
the Eucharistic prayer, we part of it is we say,
together with Francis, our pope, and so and so our bishop.
In Rochester, it would be Salvator. In Toronto where I live,
it's Francis, so it was Francis Francis. But then not
to hear his name at Mass yesterday because we don't
have a pope right now, so it was just together
with the bishop. There was no mention of a pope
because we don't have one, and that was kind of
it was like a little sharp attack to the nerve
because we're so used to having him there.
Speaker 2: Can you walk us through what happens in the Vatican
immediately following the death of a pope. What are some
of the rituals and traditions because we do see I
think the pictures on the news and certainly on the
Internet of the pulpe laid out in his dress inside
his coffin. But what are some of the rituals and
things that go on.
Speaker 5: Well, there's some very traditional rituals that go back centuries
and centuries and centuries. His room has to be sealed,
his papal ring is broken, so they take a hammer
and smash it. So farm Lango is this his personal
assistant that kind of takes care of the ritualistic things,
and then calls the cardinals to the Vatican. And they're
already arriving because his funeral will take place on Saturday,
and so there's there's a period of mourning that I
believe this time is lasting nine days, and then shortly
after that the cardinals will get together and start voting.
But they're already arriving in Rome now, and they're they're
already discussing amongst themselves, and it's a going to the
Assistine Chapel. It's a very ancient ritual. Most of us
don't know a whole lot about it because we're never
at such a thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, talk to me about the secrecy.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. The secrecy and the symbolism of the papal
conclave is really something that I think many people are
intrigued by. What can you tell us about how cardinals
are selected to vote and how the actual voting processes
may or may work.
Speaker 1: It does work.
Speaker 5: They're slightly over one hundred cardinals right now, and those
that are under the age of eighty are called to
go to Rome and they will eventually join what's called
the Conclave. I heard some interviewed yesterday saying they don't
like the word secret, as if it was a secret process.
But it's confidential, and they're sealed in a room, and
they're sealed within a certain area within the Vatican, and
they can't go out and talk to the press and
tell you who's ahead and who's behind and those kinds
of things. It's something that they, you know, and which
is what our press is looking for, because that's how
things happen nowadays. We have polls, and you know, during
an election, you every day you hear who's ahead and
who's behind in the polls, and who's in what demographic
and what demographics are voting this way or that way.
And it's the cardinals see this as a sacred duty.
So they're not going to kind of go with the
whatever the current culture is right now in ours is
much like that with the media that they're they're called
to a confidential discussion about what is best for the
church and who is best to approach the situation of
our world and the situation of how the faith is
and is not celebrated, and and so it's it's a
discreete process, but they do go into they go into
how's the best way to put it into privacy, I
guess would be the best best way to put it
so that they can discuss openly and honestly. But at
the same time, you know, there are there's some sensational books,
whether you've read some of the Dan Brown books or
the latest book Conclave that they made a movie out of,
and there's some truth into how they lay out the
facts in there, but then they go into a narrative
that's kind of fascinating and sensational because they want to
sell their books or you know, promote the movie. So
it's not necessarily like it's it's meant for entertainment, not
to teach us reality. But then you know, the authors
do look at the nitty gritty of the rules and
whatnot and kind of work a story around those. But
it is it's very private, and it's and it's a
they need to have a two thirds majority in order
to elect someone, and that takes a while because people
go in there with ideas perhaps of who they're going
to support and what's on their minds, and and then
they have to discuss, you know, how things are going
to go.
Speaker 1: Does it get contentious at times? Like is there like
we want this gentleman from Canada versus we want this
gentleman from Japan?
Speaker 5: Kind of like, well, because it's private, how do we
know you're not going.
Speaker 4: They're not going to come out and.
Speaker 5: Tell us, Oh, so and so was really promoting such
as they can't have contact with the outside world when
this process is going on.
Speaker 1: Everybody should be that way.
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know, and I will never know,
but you know, they're human beings. They're imperfect human beings,
and so you know, not everything is probably as saintly
an angelic as some people might imagine.
Speaker 1: How is there is there one you'd like to see?
Speaker 5: You know, it's so hard, you know, I follow even
though it's impossible to predict. I you know, I've seen
what the some of the predictions of say the Washington Poster,
the New York Times, or who are on the top list,
and then the media will label them progressive or conservative
or traditionalist, and that may or may not be true,
because it all depends on your own perspective and what
culture you're coming from. Is to who fits into those
categories anyway, So I really don't have well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sort of the horse and the race kind of thing,
and he shot at the cardinal from New York or
the cardinal from Newark, making at this time, amioy possible?
Speaker 5: It's possible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, how long?
Speaker 2: I want to get back to kind of what you
were saying, even on the progressive thing, but taking a
step back, is it fair to ask how long does
it typically take to between a pope's death and the
election of a new pope.
Speaker 5: So we're in a morning period right now, a morning
period of nine days, and then the funeral is going
to take place on Saturday, and I believe the morning
still goes on for a few days after that that
the I believe the conclave could begin as early as
the sixth of May and then or start as late
as the twelfth of May. So they haven't told us
yet the exact timeline. Very technically it could happen on
the first vote, but I really doubted that they'd go
in and two thirds of them would all be on
the same You know, the lists are always longer when
you begin, and then things start to narrow down. It
could probably take up to a week.
Speaker 2: What is the what happens in the church during this
interim period.
Speaker 5: Well, we're kind of we're kind of on hold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: I mean we've got people that live up to the
responsibilities of the Vatican and elsewhere, and all of our
bishops and cardinals and people in their various roles and responsibilities.
All of that goes on, and Mass continues and people
continue to worship, and I know the whole world is praying. Yeah,
you know that this process goes well, and that the
Holy Spirit enlightened the cardinals to choose the man who's
right for the job.
Speaker 3: So I guess my question is like who does the
pope's funeral? In other words, like you know, like would
there be like a lineage and next in line for
somebody to be Okay, if the pope dies, you're going
to run the service that day or the mass.
Speaker 5: You know. I know that, and I honestly don't. I
can't give you an answer on that. I'm not sure
who's the main celebrant of the funeral. All the cardinals
of course will be there, and they'll all be vested
and con celebrating, which means celebrating with I'm sorry, I
don't know who's going to be the main celebrant.
Speaker 2: Though this may be more of a personal question, certainly
one that would be more of opinion, right, And I
always say opinion this halfway between fact and fiction.
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: But from your perspective, you're an educator or a leader,
what qualities do you think are essential in the next pope?
And I asked that, especially considering the modern challenges facing
the church.
Speaker 5: Sure, I guess I can make an analogy. Kevin knew me.
Actually I call him Stefan because that was his name
in French class.
Speaker 1: Love it.
Speaker 5: And actually when he texted me about this the other day,
he said, this is Kevin, and I had to ask,
is this stay fan? Because I know several different Kevin's.
That wasn't true.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: Evan knew me before I was ordained. I was mister when.
Speaker 1: When I started that, it was deacon, then it was father.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was all the first year, my first year there,
and then I think you were in my classes for
several years after that because you kept advancing in French somehow.
And you know, I went from young teacher to eventually
I was I went and got a doctorate and then
did a degree in Catholic school leadership, and eventually I
was a vice principal, and then I was a principal,
and then I was a president of a Catholic school,
and in a sense I could see the different My
role really changed from being a classroom teacher, which by
the way, I think is the most noble of all
of those professions because you're closest to the students and
your feet are on the ground. But when you know,
like a lot of different roles of leadership, the higher
you get, your responsibilities increase, and you need a man
who knows how to manage correctly. And there are many,
many good Holy priests who don't necessarily have the skill
of managing. There are some men who could be, you know,
a great teacher or a great assistant pastor, but probably
not the best pastor. We have a joke within our
community that never put the holiest guy and make him
the treasurer because he's you know, he might not spend
correctly because that's not within his line of talents. So
for the next Holy Father, you need someone who has
managed a diocese I think, and managed it well, but
who also, as Francis would say, who has the smell
of the flock who has been with people and knows
their struggles and knows the issues that they're dealing with,
much like we're called to know the people that we're
dealing with and the struggles in an evolving culture. The
culture today is much different than it was. You know,
even when I was teaching Stefan when he was fifteen
years old, things have changed. And I know your son
graduate waited last year, and I think his high school
experience was probably a lot different than yours. And in
the same sense, whoever eventually becomes Holy Father has to
deal with the fact that things aren't the same as
even ten or twenty years ago. And do you have
the skills, the managerial skills, the patience, the and the
holiness in that you know, this is all comes down
to prayer and your personal relationship with God and how
you serve people. Can You need a whole list of
skills and talents to be able to do that, And
there are very few people that even come close to
having those skills.
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hello nathan how are?
Speaker 1: You good Are, you yes.
Speaker 2: THEY'RE Good A nate pat who is retired but. DRAFTED
twice i find that fascinating because you look AT the
NFL and, i mean guys.
Speaker 1: Are they're trying to guess and get guys are. Leaving
early EVEN.
Speaker 2: The nba we will Look At cooper flag he has
declared FOR, the nba, you know and you just wonder
maybe he won't sign and he'll go back.
Speaker 1: To college.
Speaker 2: Who knows but what was that like for you?
Speaker 1: Doing that.
Speaker 4: IT'S weird i mean that's the one thing with hockey
that with the draft being the age, he is you got,
young kids and it's a difficult decision at. That time
and it didn't. Work out it wasn't offer a contract the,
first TIME and i had to re enter the draft
and its fortunately and everything worked it out great Going
to buffalo and obviously the opportunity ended up presenting himself
in a, few years so it was kind of a
blessing in disguise in.
Speaker 2: The, end yeah go back to LIKE your nhl debut With.
The sabers what do you remember about that moment in,
that season because that that was a good time, for
Them if i'm.
Speaker 1: Recalling, correctly yeah my first One was.
Speaker 4: Ringer season my second Game was game seven Of the.
Conference finals but my first one we PLAYED in I.
Think binghamton then took a boss all the Way to
toronto and we had an afternoon GAME and i woke
up really just go, out BREAKFAST and i remember walking
Down and, conny said the car's coming to. Get you
you got a game Tonight. In buffalo so. IT was
i played the night Before. IN binghamton i went all
the Way. To TORONTO then i went all the way Back.
TO buffalo I think i had a quick nap and a.
Little snack and that was my first Game Against New,
jersey devils and it was kind of. Cool too was
against one of my, Close Friends. Brian gionto was on. Your,
jersey yeah that was my first Game.
Speaker 1: Against, Gio okay brian's mom taught me how.
Speaker 2: To skate, That's uh brian's Mom DID brian's i did.
Speaker 4: Not know.
Speaker 2: That's, awesome yeah you get into the High stakes. Game
seven buffalo hasn't been back there. Since, then basically they
haven't been back there right since two thousand. AND six
i MEAN that i don't think they've been back into
anything as close To The. Stanley, CUP right i mean
the next step was that for YOU as, i mean
that had to be A heart do you is it
just another hockey game to you or do you kind
of feel the moment of what it is for? The
FANS sometimes i think players are can can kind of
erase that stuff out of, their mind, the nonsense, the
circuit almost the pop and circumstance that we put, around it,
skats everywhere you. Know where for, you guys, it's, like
hey it's another game and we're going to win.
Speaker 4: This. One, yeah no that wasn't. Another game you can
try to, sugarcoat it but. It's not it was only
my second career, game TOO so I obviously i, was
NERVOUS and i hadn't played in quite. A while i
don't know if. You remember a couple of games left
in the Season. With rochester it was in a fight
and the guy fell on ME and i had a high,
ankle SPRAIN so i was on. CUT crutches i was
just getting back. TO skating i had probably only been
skating fully for three weeks before, that game so it'd
been least two months before, i'd played maybe More since
i'd played a. Hockey GAME so i think the almost
the gravity of the situation, was, like WELL what i got?
TO lose i have been praying FOREVER and i was it.
WAS fine i think once you got through the. First,
shift yeah then it was just. Hockey game but in the,
THIRD period i remember when they scored just. How loud
i've never experienced anything like that. Or, ever again it's
hard to keep your emotions in check when you're in
a building and it's.
Speaker 1: Deafening for the whole.
Speaker 4: Third period the playoffs are just a completely, different beast
and which makes make them the best.
Speaker 2: It does that's INTERESTING because i always wonder how players
are affected or, or not, you know as these things,
go on because you're a, human too and, you're, right
man that noise THAT would I think i would get
so caught up in IT that i want to, start
PUNCHING which i think is a shitty way, to BE
but i want to win, so badly like that would.
Speaker 1: Be me but that's the. Good noise the other noises
when you're on out there on the. Power plane You
Got joe blow sitting up in a three hundred jealogy
to shoot every.
Speaker 2: Three seconds, oh yeah some of that stuff you can
kind of get get away, from uh but you went
on and, LATER on i think it was really. Your
leadership you Win Two calder cups With, the griffins and
that had to be a pretty.
Speaker 1: Special, Team, then yeah the first one.
Speaker 4: WAS unique i actually spoke with the guys a lot
of similarities with the FIRST time i Won In, grand
rapids rookie, head coach up and coming great, head Coach And,
jeff blashill some, you know older veterans that have been
around and played in the quite a few, minor hockey minor,
league games and then your up and coming Stars Like,
tyler bertuzzi, You Know, thomas nosik those type. Of, guys
sorry that was the. Second one that the first One
Was goosetuf Nichris And, thomas tatar two guys that obviously had.
Great careers and then the, second one we're a little
older outside the TWO guys i. JUST mentioned i mixed
up to, two ones and the first one, was incredible
was my first championship in pro hockey and really in
a larger. Scale. Hockey uh and then the second one
also kind of took the icing on the CAKE because
i was the captain of that team and we wanted
at home winning a championship in your. Home rank there's
just nothing could really. Replace it and fortunate enough to
be captain that season to be able to Have The
calder cup first was and then take it to my
teammates and took it over to. My family. It was
that was just a really.
Speaker 1: Unique experienced the after party probably was pretty. Fun. TOO
yeah i was gonna ask anybody. SIX here i know
everybody got to hurt from. That, color no.
Speaker 2: They did they got? Strapped throat did you did people?
Get stripped everybody's drinking out of the. DAMN car i wouldn't.
Do it in, NINETY six i would not. DO it
i don't.
Speaker 4: Know if anybody got, stripped throat but somebody dropped it,
and oh five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: To fish oh, my. God geez that cup in, ninety six.
It was it was IN every i think it was
in every single bar in. This, TOWN yeah i and.
It was it was on the Hands of metcalf And percent.
Speaker 4: We had a Matter In. Grand rappids his Name Was,
mitch KELLEN and i think you pretty much lived with
that called a cup for the next week at bar.
In town.
Speaker 1: That's kind.
Speaker 2: Of funny you did spend a season overseas Playing. In,
germany now just a few, MINUTES ago I thought i
was playing a Song, in FRENCH and i played it
was Actually, in german and the person.
Speaker 1: We were interviewing corrected Me because i'm. So stupid but
what is?
Speaker 2: THAT like, i mean because even the language barrier and,
the UNDERSTANDING and i know for soccer it's a little.
Speaker 1: More intense what is? Hockey like it was a really.
Speaker 4: Cool experience you're basically getting paid to be. On, vacation
obviously the hockey is intense. Training camp the one difficult
thing is very long there and two a day's all
that kind. Of stuff but the season is you played
too games, a week you're at home. A lot the
fans cheer the whole game kind of like it has that.
Soccer mentality so during all, the play like, the music
the people are, banging drums are, singing songs chanting the
all during. The play so, THE atmosphere i really love
The atmosphere, european hockey and it was we traveled when
we were. Over there the one thing is. My son
he was a, year old so having a one year
old traveling in the world is a, little difficult and
he was not an.
Speaker 2: Easy, baby well the smaller, they are the more shit
you have, to have. Forgive ME but i mean it's,
more like, you know it's play pens and, cut this and, it's,
like oh.
Speaker 1: And don't lose The. Teddy.
Speaker 4: Bear, yeah no we left a. Whole bunches there's a
whole bunch of toys and there was. A slide we
Left in germany a bunch of stuff because we didn't
know if we were going to. Come, back ultimately It
Was grand rapids called and it was a better move
for my family at that time to come Back To.
North america but we really enjoyed. OUR time i mean We, Traveled, Berlin,
praguma switcher. WE played i played In The spanger Cup
in Switzerland, and davos which was, just wow You, TO
davos I know i. Never, have yeah so a lot
of good experiences.
Speaker 2: Over There uh so what inspires you? You retire do you?
Get it it's just so in, your blood, YOU go
I gotta i gotta be around. THIS game i gotta.
Speaker 4: Go, COACH well i never had any intentions to, retire
Yet but covid had other Plans, FOR yeah i was
actually hoping to play one. More year and then move
into a position. In hockey hockey's all of them. WERE
known i put on SKATES when i was two, years
old and It's all i've ever. Really done and that's just.
My passion THE reason i played so LONG is i
just love. THE game i love everything, about it, the teammates,
the camaraderie the actual. GAME itself i think it's the
best game. In sports i'm, obviously BIASED but i just
loved every minute. Of IT and i would have played
as LONG as i. Possibly could the feet were slowing
down a little too much at, the end and when
you thirty seven years old and there's a shutdown for,
six months it's pretty tough to come back.
Speaker 1: From.
Speaker 4: That yea NOT that i was playing that much at the.
TIME anyways i, was more, you know there to mentor the.
YOUNG guys i think my last, TWO seasons i played
ten games EACH year I was i was. Actually HEALTHY
but i was Fortunate That chris taylor was a head
coach and he brought, me back like he really pushed
for them to sign me and bring me back to
help to change the culture and try to build a
atmosphere like we Had In. Grand RAPIDS and i have
a lot of thanks. TO him i, always said my
WIFE and i always talked, About it how cool are
we to come, back home finish at home and My
friend tales made that happen for, our Family and i'm
forever grateful to him for.
Speaker 5: That.
Speaker 2: Opportunity yeah even coming Back to rochester to coach is
kind of.
Speaker 1: Full.
Speaker 4: CIRCLE yeah, I mean i've kind of got coaching IN,
my dna and it's Something that, i've always, you know.
Thought about my first coaching jobs kind of a. Weird
one my dad was, A coach my grandpa was, A
coach howk coach all. That stuff but my dad also
coached my sister's, softball team fastball team in. The SUMMERS
so i was five years younger than, my SISTER so
i was the. Bat boy got a picture of me
in a pink outfit somewhere with the way.
Speaker 2: Back.
Speaker 4: On yeah but SO when i was in, GRADE eleven
i came back from junior hockey and my hometown was
so small that they did classes year ROUND where i
was Semestered in MUSHOW where i, Played JUNIOR so i
didn't have a lot of CLASSES because i had already
finished half, the MINUTE so i had half as many
or a quarter as many classes as. Most PEOPLE so
i had a lot of. Time OFF so i, was
Like what i'm? Gonna do and my cousin happened to
be the pitcher on the fastball team and or the softball.
Or whatever it's worth of different in different areas with
some people call a. Windmill, arm yeah, She asked, she's
like you know you grew up. Around it you obviously?
No sports would you coach? Our TEAM so i coached
a grade eleven and twelve girls fastball team and that
was my first coaching GIG when i Was in grade eleven.
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ninety six. Ninety, six yeah he beat me like. Thirty six, Rushed,
it danny just like, another one rushed it.
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exactly it was. SO bad i liked.
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remember didn't hate one over.
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go back. And watch take a little look at.
Speaker 3: Is weird when you see a movie Like a Bill
And Ted's xson adventure where one guy goes on to
be a huge star and the other guy just.
Speaker 1: Goes, ON yeah i don't Know The. Keanu, reeves yeah
you know they were. Co stars but like the, Other
one win does a ton of directing, and producing?
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not Poor but keano stayed.
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either well how would? YOU know i didn't even know?
His name how do? You know Bill and ted's one
of my. FAVORITE movies i love. The movies and so you, turned,
into uh, you like look the? Guys. UP all i
didn't look. THEM up I just i. Read, THINGS yeah i.
DON'T remember. I don't i don't go down rabbit holes
of SOMETHING as i go on rabbit holes of. EIGHTIES
actors i didn't realize there Were three Bill. And, TED'S
yeah i remember the first tour in the eighties and. The,
nineties yeah, late eighties. EARLY nighties i think the first
one was, Eighty, eight yeah and then the last one
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grown up and it's their daughters, that are.
Speaker 3: Oh okay because.
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music it's. Very funny.
Speaker 2: All right we will close it, Out well danny with,
another win and thanks To father Hubert today page did
he want To Be?
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That's true I'm sure I'll get we didn't ask. One
question we did a.
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go close the conversation because like we're talking about, his HISTORY.
Speaker 1: So i wanted. His history he had an.
Speaker 3: Interesting history by the, third round everybody will jump on
the bandwagon start heading.
Speaker 1: To this we kind of see who his. WIFE is.
Speaker 5: I.
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LITTLE behind i thought she used to come to MY
when i had a Townhouse and VICTOR and i think
she used to come there and watch the boys once
Twice With, bobby JOE and i remember, people going she
was at.
Speaker 1: Your house it doesn't have his wife's.
Speaker 2: All Right For dan marilla who sat through the, somebody,
Said uh dan's Got.
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mean ah your faith is faith. Is FAITH well i
won't say. That either But, for kevis you are setting it.
UP today I know moran will see. You tomorrow seeing
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