Speaker 1: Go over that here with Aaron Day. Thanks so much
Speaker 1: for coming on. I wanted to talk about bitcoin, the
Speaker 1: potential hijacking of it. I'm new to bitcoin. I bought
Speaker 1: it bitcoin not long ago, so at a loss. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: I didn't buy it at like one hundred and twenty three,
Speaker 1: but I thought I dipped. It has been dipping since
Speaker 1: I bought it, So wh're gonna get into big cooin.
Speaker 1: I'm totally a novice on this, but I've noticed it's
Speaker 1: all over the Epstein files. I just got a book
Speaker 1: by Roger Day Hijacking Bitcoin. I was reading that turned
Speaker 1: out he's extremely controversial. You know. To me, a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff is making sense. But I don't really
Speaker 1: know what to make of this. I'll probably actually have
Speaker 1: a debate or another one with osite with the opposite
Speaker 1: perspective view after this. But let's let's just start a
Speaker 1: really base. Most people that are watching this will probably
Speaker 1: understand bitcoin. But why don't you give a real quick
Speaker 1: breakdown of what bitcoin is, what it was created for,
Speaker 1: the purposes all that.
Speaker 2: So let me go back to kind of where all
Speaker 2: of this began, which is two thousand and eight. So
Speaker 2: we call in two thousand and eight, we had this
Speaker 2: big financial crisis and we had this huge, massive, you know,
Speaker 2: almost trillion dollar bailout where none of the bankers were
Speaker 2: held accountable. People ten million people lost their homes, so
Speaker 2: on and so forth. So this is kind of the
Speaker 2: stage for bitcoin. And in fact, after that point you
Speaker 2: actually had somewhat unity. You had the Occupy Wall Street
Speaker 2: people on the left, you had the Tea Party people
Speaker 2: on the right, but people were pretty agreed with the
Speaker 2: fact that bankers are the bad guys and they tend
Speaker 2: to do a very good job of socializing risk but
Speaker 2: privatizing their gains otherwise. And so so bitcoin came around
Speaker 2: right after that, around the two thousand and nine time period.
Speaker 2: And the original purpose of bitcoin, and it even says
Speaker 2: this in what's called the White Paper, which is a
Speaker 2: document that outlines what coin is about what it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be. It's peer to peer electronic cash. So the
Speaker 2: point behind this is you're not going to have a
Speaker 2: central bank. You know, the system that we have right
Speaker 2: now is, you know, we basically have a group of
Speaker 2: private banks that print money out of thin air, yes,
Speaker 2: backed by government debt, and they profit off of every
Speaker 2: single transaction that we have and then they manipulate the
Speaker 2: interest rates to reduce supply of money, and then people
Speaker 2: end up losing their home, so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: So this is the system that we have. The idea
Speaker 2: with bitcoin is we would get rid of these third parties.
Speaker 2: You would no longer have central banks or governments issuing money.
Speaker 2: You would have this decentralized form of currency that couldn't
Speaker 2: be stopped by any third party government or bank. And
Speaker 2: so this was the real excitement and enthusiasm about bitcoin.
Speaker 2: And it's a not just something that's you know, for
Speaker 2: the United States, this is a a gli global opportunity
Speaker 2: to provide economic freedom around the world. I mean, it
Speaker 2: turns out seventy one percent of the planet makes less
Speaker 2: than ten dollars a day. So the ability to have
Speaker 2: a currency that doesn't have high transaction fees and doesn't
Speaker 2: have government corruption in the middle is really something that
Speaker 2: is a game changer for humanity. And this is how
Speaker 2: I learned about bitcoin. I learned about bitcoin in twenty
Speaker 2: twelve in New Hampshire at a conference called Liberty Forum.
Speaker 2: I saw I heard this guy Roger Vere give a
Speaker 2: talk about it, and he talked about it in just
Speaker 2: those terms this is a way for us to spread
Speaker 2: economic opportunity around the world to stop wars. I mean,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have these wars if bankers weren't profiting off
Speaker 2: of both sides of it. And so that was my initial,
Speaker 2: my initial introduction to it. So I started using it
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve. And when I started using it, in
Speaker 2: the beginning for bitcoin, it was it wasn't just that
Speaker 2: it was an ideologically better thing. It wasn't just that
Speaker 2: here's money that doesn't involve these central banks and these
Speaker 2: other players. It was actually better money. It was better, faster,
Speaker 2: and cheaper to use. I remember receiving my first bitcoin
Speaker 2: payment and it was nearly instant, no bank or anybody involved.
Speaker 2: The transaction fees were a few cents. And at that time,
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, there was nothing like this in the
Speaker 2: traditional financial system. We didn't have Venmo, we didn't have
Speaker 2: these Apple paid, Google pay and everything else. And so
Speaker 2: that was the real that was the beginning of bitcoin,
Speaker 2: and that was the enthusiasm around bitcoin.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting think you mentioned two thousand and eight
Speaker 1: financial crisis. I watched so many of my friends suffer.
Speaker 1: I was thriving during the time because fighting was going good,
Speaker 1: but I watched my friends losing their houses, their homes,
Speaker 1: their wives, and then I didn't follow politics time. Then
Speaker 1: recently looked into the last couple of years and saw
Speaker 1: the bankers, we paid them to bell them out, you know, crash,
Speaker 1: They intentionally crashed our economy and then they're like, oh, whoops,
Speaker 1: bell themselves out. Disgusting, you know. And you mentioned Roger Vere.
Speaker 1: I contacted him trying to interview him, but he said
Speaker 1: he apparently has a gag order from the United States
Speaker 1: government and cannot give an interview. That is very interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like, that's an entire other story that we can
Speaker 2: get into. And this is actually, you know, probably why
Speaker 2: I'm here because to continue the story. So I was,
Speaker 2: I was using bitcoin around twenty twelve, and in New
Speaker 2: Hampshire there were shops and restaurants that were accepting bitcoin directly.
Speaker 2: There were bitcoin meetups were This is going all the
Speaker 2: way back to twenty eleven. I mean, this is how
Speaker 2: early this was, but twenty eleven, twenty, you know, all
Speaker 2: the way through kind of twenty fifteen, twenty seventeen, more
Speaker 2: and more stores were signing up. You had businesses that
Speaker 2: were setting up point of sale terminals so that they
Speaker 2: could accept cryptocurrency. There was even in Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
Speaker 2: a couple of guys actually created a store called the
Speaker 2: Bitcoin Shop, and you know, it was just an assortment
Speaker 2: of merchandise, but you had you could only use cryptocurrency
Speaker 2: in the shop. So people don't know this story and
Speaker 2: this side of bitcoin because bitcoin was really getting momentum
Speaker 2: at this point and large retailers and businesses were starting
Speaker 2: to accept bitcoin directly. So overstock dot Com was taking
Speaker 2: bitcoin directly, so literally, you'd go to the website, you
Speaker 2: could use your credit card, or you could send bitcoin
Speaker 2: to their bitcoin wallet. Microsoft was accepting bitcoin.
Speaker 1: It's speedy, bit quick, easy, you could just easy send
Speaker 1: it over. Because that's extremely difficult to do. Now, someone
Speaker 1: actually just taught me how to do that. We can
Speaker 1: maybe discuss that at the end, but it's like, that's
Speaker 1: so difficult to do. I had a lot of friends
Speaker 1: from San Francisco, so I had a lot of friends
Speaker 1: are in a bitcoin early on. I was a genius
Speaker 1: and wait until hey eighty five to buy it, but
Speaker 1: I had friends are buying it at like two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars and they were super into it. I know, they
Speaker 1: were a huge believer, like you're saying, they talked about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, buying stuff on it, but I've noticed it
Speaker 1: seems harder to buy stuff on it now, would you say?
Speaker 1: That's correct? Right, that's kind of what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's well, it's more difficult. But what happened in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: just as all of this excitement was building, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, the fees went through the roof. So instead
Speaker 2: of having transaction fees of a few cents, the average
Speaker 2: transaction fee jumped to fifty dollars at one point, coin sales,
Speaker 2: and instead of transactions settling in you know, a minute
Speaker 2: or ten minutes or whatever it happened to be in
Speaker 2: a short period of time, it was taking seven days,
Speaker 2: ten days just to complete a transaction. So you can
Speaker 2: imagine what retailer's response to this was is, we can't
Speaker 2: use this. This isn't better than a credit card. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're a merchant and you're accepting a credit card,
Speaker 2: you're going to pay thirty cents or three point nine
Speaker 2: percent or whatever it is. That's better than fifty dollars, right.
Speaker 2: So Bitcoin went from being.
Speaker 1: Unless you're a fast, expensive products.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's not even usable and so so then
Speaker 2: people stop using it as as peer to peer digital cash.
Speaker 2: Now it turns out I didn't know all of the
Speaker 2: details about what was going on behind the scenes at
Speaker 2: the time. I was just using it. So my enthusiasm was, Hey,
Speaker 2: this is a cool new thing. I was actually using
Speaker 2: it for politics. I was using it to raise money
Speaker 2: to help support candidates and to actually pay volunteers on
Speaker 2: the ground in New Hampshire in cryptocurrency to put up
Speaker 2: yard signs and do all this other stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is great, this is a new monetary system. And
Speaker 2: so but what we learned later on, and what Roger
Speaker 2: Vera wrote about in his book Hijacking Bitcoin, is there
Speaker 2: there was a whole bunch of stuff going on behind
Speaker 2: the scenes the hijacking of bitcoin, and the narrative shifted entirely.
Speaker 2: So Bitcoin went from being peer to peer digital cash
Speaker 2: that you use for everyday transactions. So now people were
Speaker 2: starting to call it digital gold. There's thing, it's not
Speaker 2: something that you use for commerce. It's something that you
Speaker 2: hold and now and you never spend it, and it's
Speaker 2: something that you know it should be slow and expensive
Speaker 2: like this, So this whole.
Speaker 1: This whole first purpose completely abandons it. Then, I mean,
Speaker 1: ideally something's going in value too, not devaluing like the dollar.
Speaker 1: But if you can't spend it like cash, that's that
Speaker 1: defeats the whole purpose, isn't It Wasn't that the entire
Speaker 1: purpose like you were just saying, it.
Speaker 2: Was the entire purpose. It's the first sentence in the
Speaker 2: actual white paper itself. Satoshi, who's this anonymous developer. We
Speaker 2: don't really know who created bitcoin. That's weird, but even still,
Speaker 2: there were discussion boards where, you know, he was discussing
Speaker 2: the fact that you know, bitcoin was was there to
Speaker 2: replace Visa and MasterCard. Bitcoin is something that should be
Speaker 2: able to do twenty five thousand transactions per second. And
Speaker 2: what happened with this hijacked narrative is some people came
Speaker 2: in and decided arti officially that we're going to cap
Speaker 2: the what are called the size of the blocks, meaning
Speaker 2: how many transactions can actually be processed every ten minutes.
Speaker 2: They're going to artificially cap it at one megabyte. And
Speaker 2: not to get into too much technical stuff, but it
Speaker 2: means that bitcoin was throttled and could only do seven
Speaker 2: transactions per second.
Speaker 1: So someone came in and intentionally throttled it.
Speaker 2: It was a movement. Well, it turns out it was
Speaker 2: a movement. It turns out there were a lot of
Speaker 2: players involved. And recommend that people I recommend any sorry,
Speaker 2: go ahead. Well, I recommend that people read Hijacking Bitcoin
Speaker 2: to see a big part of the behind the scenes
Speaker 2: because you can see what's going on with the specific
Speaker 2: developers at the time. One simple way I like to
Speaker 2: describe it is it's it's kind of like with this environmentalism.
Speaker 2: You remember, you know Al Gore all of a sudden
Speaker 2: started pushing carbon credits, right, and so this whole idea
Speaker 2: behind carbon credits is we're going to manufacture a crisis
Speaker 2: around carbon and then we're going to create a market
Speaker 2: where we cap the amount of carbon and then we
Speaker 2: drive up the price. We have people bidding on these
Speaker 2: carbon credits that they can trade with each other. But
Speaker 2: it was all artificial. Well that's what happened with bitcoin.
Speaker 2: They came in and said we're going to limit the
Speaker 2: size of these blocks, and then people, if you want
Speaker 2: your transaction to go faster, you have to bid to
Speaker 2: pay more for your transaction fee. So this is I
Speaker 2: call it kind of a cap and trade system. And
Speaker 2: what we find in the in Hijacking Bitcoin is there
Speaker 2: was this shadowy character named John Dylon who was tied
Speaker 2: to the intelligence community, who actually funded one of the developers,
Speaker 2: the developer named Peter Todd, to implement this replace by fee.
Speaker 2: So we know in this in this book who the
Speaker 2: players are, and we see the communications between Dylan and
Speaker 2: Peter Todd. So there's not just not like this isn't
Speaker 2: a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: This stuff was just came out, just come out in
Speaker 1: Epstein files. Can know a lot of stuff has just
Speaker 1: come out in Epstein files.
Speaker 2: That that even builds beyond beyond that. But you had
Speaker 2: these these internal things that were already.
Speaker 1: Going on behind this.
Speaker 2: Is known before the Epstein files, and this is this
Speaker 2: is what er Roger put in his book and then
Speaker 2: goes into even more detail. And this then doves in
Speaker 2: dovetails into Epstein. But a group of developers, early bitcoin
Speaker 2: core developers, went off and started their own company called Blockstream.
Speaker 2: And this company, Blockstream profits by Bitcoin being slow and
Speaker 2: expensive because they build what are called layer two solutions
Speaker 2: on top of bitcoin. So in other words, we're going
Speaker 2: to throttle this thing. And now we're going to build
Speaker 2: solutions to solve for the problem that we just created.
Speaker 2: And so this was Blockstream. And so Blockstream was a
Speaker 2: combination of some of the early early developers, a guy
Speaker 2: by the name of Adam Back who is in the
Speaker 2: Epstein files sometimes referred to as Andy Back as well,
Speaker 2: all who we now know visited Epstein. But even before
Speaker 2: the Epstein information, we knew who some of the other
Speaker 2: funding sources were for Blockstream, including a guy named Henry
Speaker 2: Dicastris who was the chairman of the Builderberg group. Oh Jesus,
Speaker 2: you had all of these players to help you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're here to help you. So so in others, we're
Speaker 2: going to make this thing slow and expensive, we're going
Speaker 2: to cap it and then we're gonna have a bunch
Speaker 2: of bankers. And now Epstein and other people invest in
Speaker 2: in the solution. So it was captured by by traditional
Speaker 2: finance and in part by people tied to the intelligence community.
Speaker 2: And you know, we knew, we knew some of that,
Speaker 2: but frankly, we none of us knew the depths of
Speaker 2: it with with Epstein. Now, my piece of this, my
Speaker 2: piece of this comes into you know, I won't go
Speaker 2: through all the detail and my backstory. But I'm a
Speaker 2: serial entrepreneur and uh, you know, the second company I
Speaker 2: started in the healthcare space was destroyed by Obamacare. Dodd Frank,
Speaker 2: Attorney General Eric Holder. I wasn't targeted, unlike certain friends
Speaker 2: that I had that had been explicitly try I was
Speaker 2: just collateral damage, and so that turned me into a
Speaker 2: liberty activist. That's how I ended up in New Hampshire
Speaker 2: and working on political activism. But that's when I learned
Speaker 2: about bitcoin, and so in twenty nineteen, I actually I
Speaker 2: realized we're not going to be able to vote our
Speaker 2: way out of this. So I stopped using a personal
Speaker 2: bank account and started living on crypto gold and silver.
Speaker 2: And so this has been It's not actually an easy
Speaker 2: thing to do, but it is a possible thing to do.
Speaker 2: And what I learned kind of a post COVID. I
Speaker 2: wasn't even all that surprised about COVID, but what did
Speaker 2: catch my attention was when friends of mine were being
Speaker 2: targeted explicitly by the federal government. And these were specifically
Speaker 2: people that were libertarian leaning that were involved in cryptocurrency,
Speaker 2: and they were promoting the use of cryptocurrent and sy
Speaker 2: as a tool for freedom as a replacement for central banks,
Speaker 2: as a way to move beyond censorship. And so one
Speaker 2: person in particular, Ian Freeman, this really kind of you know,
Speaker 2: got me digging into this whole what's going on with
Speaker 2: the hijacking of bitcoin and CBDCs. Ian Freeman and his
Speaker 2: business partner Mark Edge have a syndicated radio talk show
Speaker 2: called Free Talk Live and they've been promoting liberty, promoting
Speaker 2: the Free State project, and they started talking about bitcoin
Speaker 2: in twenty ten. In fact, Roger Vere learned about bitcoin
Speaker 2: from Ian Freeman. On this Free Talk Live show. Ian
Speaker 2: was selling people bitcoin. He actually had kind of a
Speaker 2: bitcoin exchange and you know he would provide that as
Speaker 2: a service to onboard people to cryptocurrency. Well, he was
Speaker 2: targeted and raided by five different departments of the federal government.
Speaker 2: They came in and busted down his door with a
Speaker 2: bear cat. The whole nine year yuards for essentially selling
Speaker 2: bitcoin without a license. Now what's interesting about this is
Speaker 2: he actually had an opinion letter from an attorney saying
Speaker 2: he didn't need a license because in New Hampshire there's
Speaker 2: some different different roles. He is currently sitting in federal
Speaker 2: prison for eight years for selling bitcoin without a license. Now,
Speaker 2: so what I decided to do is why is this happening.
Speaker 2: Why are these people, liberty crypto people being targeted? And
Speaker 2: that's when I learned about central bank digital currencies. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you followed followed that much, not really,
Speaker 2: but central bank digital currencies are basically taking the fiat
Speaker 2: currency that we have, the dollars that are printed out
Speaker 2: of thin air, and making them programmable, trackable, and sensorable.
Speaker 1: Yes, as a tire purpose of bitcoin to not be
Speaker 1: trackable and traceable, and.
Speaker 2: That's what we that's what we thought, and so all
Speaker 2: of us. So what I found is that in March
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, President Biden signed an executive order,
Speaker 2: and that executive order authorized the government to pursue a CBDC,
Speaker 2: So it became government policy to create one of these
Speaker 2: dystopian programmable digital currencies. And that same executive order authorized
Speaker 2: a they called it in the document, a whole of
Speaker 2: government crackdown on crypto, meaning they were bringing in the
Speaker 2: Treasury Department, the IRS, DHS, the you name it. Why
Speaker 2: because people wouldn't want a CBDC, and you have to
Speaker 2: get rid of the competition. There are people out there,
Speaker 2: like Ian or like Roger talking about how you can
Speaker 2: use these cryptocurrencies to circumvent the tyranny that comes from
Speaker 2: central banks and so forth. But they needed to shut
Speaker 2: that down, and so that's why Ian and others are
Speaker 2: being targeted. So I actually wrote a book about it
Speaker 2: and studied what was going on, and I found there
Speaker 2: are now one hundred thirty four countries around the world
Speaker 2: working on CBDCs. These countries represent ninety eight percent of
Speaker 2: the total GDP or economic output of the planet. So
Speaker 2: in other words, this is a coordinated global thing.
Speaker 1: To put it in place, real quick, plug plug your
Speaker 1: book and where people can get it. Since your you
Speaker 1: mentioned your book, you might as well, you know, type
Speaker 1: o where they can get if if they want, they
Speaker 1: might want to hear more at hearing this talk.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, my book is called The Final Countdown Crypto, Gold, Silver,
Speaker 2: and the People's Last Stand against Central Bank Digital Tiranny.
Speaker 2: But you can just look for The Final Countdown. It's
Speaker 2: it's on Amazon, and you know in the book talks
Speaker 2: about you know, my whole argument is, and I put
Speaker 2: out the book as a warning, which is central bank
Speaker 2: digital currencies are just one part of an overall technocratic plan.
Speaker 2: There's more movement towards centralization. So you have digital IDs,
Speaker 2: you have central bank digital currencies, and then you have
Speaker 2: social credit systems and AI surveillance, and there's a big
Speaker 2: push for it's happening.
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Speaker 1: and the descriptions and tier coming in. It's all connected,
Speaker 1: as we're seeing in the Epstein files, and the banking
Speaker 1: is kind of the head of the snake. That's the
Speaker 1: conclusion of Thanks to banks, that's their intermediate one. And
Speaker 1: for me, I'm I'm on their target. So I want
Speaker 1: money that they can't track case I need to like
Speaker 1: disapairt of the country real quick. That they can't just
Speaker 1: shut up a bank accounts.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and so and what people don't realize
Speaker 2: is that we don't need a CBDC. Most of our
Speaker 2: money is already digital. I think ninety six percent of
Speaker 2: our money is digital. It can already be tracked. In fact,
Speaker 2: if you do a financial transaction greater than ten thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: a report is automatically sent to the Treasury Department and
Speaker 2: they already have in place what's called the Bank Secrecy Act,
Speaker 2: all of these know your Customer, anti money wandering laws.
Speaker 2: So whenever you go to set up an account, you
Speaker 2: have to fill out all this paperwork. In fact, it
Speaker 2: costs sixty one billion dollars a year just to comply
Speaker 2: with all of this paperwork. But it doesn't actually catch
Speaker 2: any criminals. It only catches zero point one percent. It's
Speaker 2: just added cost and tracking an overhead. And so now
Speaker 2: once if you added a CBDC on top of that,
Speaker 2: that would give them even more control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they want to be able to try to think
Speaker 1: about everything they have. Exact the point bitcoin was be
Speaker 1: anonymous and hide it, and they want it WHEREY can
Speaker 1: track everything, shut everything down, and it's terrifying. I was
Speaker 1: kind of shocked. I posted a picture of the hijacking
Speaker 1: bitcoin by well fascinating book I'm reading, and I a
Speaker 1: lot of people mad at me, which I was a little
Speaker 1: confused about. And I will bring someone on on the
Speaker 1: opposite side to try to tell the story. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't quite understanding. I wasn't seeing these like terrible things
Speaker 1: and lies that he was allegedly saying. As we see
Speaker 1: now like Howard Lutnik, demons all over the Epstein files,
Speaker 1: and other awful people.
Speaker 2: The story has all kinds of twisted turns. So when
Speaker 2: I was studying cbdc's, so Biden's talking about a CBDC.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to research on what's going on in
Speaker 2: the United States with CBDCs. And that's what I found.
Speaker 2: And most people in the US don't know this. The
Speaker 2: United States will actually the Federal Reserve has already completed
Speaker 2: three CBDC pilots, so they're not just talking. And this
Speaker 2: stuff goes back to like twenty eighteen. So when I'm
Speaker 2: digging into this research, all three of these CBDC pilots
Speaker 2: come out of MIT and a group headed by joy Eto.
Speaker 2: And so I wrote an article a few years back
Speaker 2: and I said, well, it looks like because we knew
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein had funded this MIT group, so I said,
Speaker 2: it looks like Jeffrey Epstein was funding these CBDC pilots. Well,
Speaker 2: then it turns out Rogers's story with hijacking bitcoin merges
Speaker 2: with my story in a way that I could not
Speaker 2: have possibly dreamed of, which is that bitcoin is an
Speaker 2: open source project. There's no corporate structure behind it at all.
Speaker 2: There's no funding for it. So you basically have these
Speaker 2: open source developers that work on the code of the
Speaker 2: project and everybody can see the code of the project. Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out developers don't do work for free, and
Speaker 2: people don't audit code to see if sure or not
Speaker 2: for free. Right, somebody's paying these developers. And so there
Speaker 2: was a group called the Bitcoin Foundation that was formed
Speaker 2: to be a nonprofit to fund the development according to
Speaker 2: the white paper, and to maintain the integrity of the project.
Speaker 2: And so this was the overarching vision of this. Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out in this time that we're talking about
Speaker 2: where this hijacking occurred, the chairman of the Bitcoin Foundation
Speaker 2: is a guy named brock Pierce. Now brock Piers has
Speaker 2: a really storied past people can dig into. You could
Speaker 2: just google him.
Speaker 1: And the boys. That guy, I'm mixing him up. I
Speaker 1: don't want to.
Speaker 2: It's the Digital Entertainment Network and I actually interacted with
Speaker 2: this affected me all the way back in the late
Speaker 2: nineties early two thousand. He started a company, or he
Speaker 2: didn't start the company, but he was the CEO of
Speaker 2: a company that was going to go public. And then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, all hell broke loose because the
Speaker 2: founders were charged with having sex with underage boys that
Speaker 2: they fled to Spain. Yeah, it was a whole.
Speaker 1: Ordeal, disturbed, the allegations of like little boys, absolutely sick
Speaker 1: and disgusting, deprived people.
Speaker 2: And there's a documentary on this and I actually I
Speaker 2: put it on.
Speaker 1: This guy was in charge of it and he was
Speaker 1: tied to Epstein too, Right, So this is how crazy
Speaker 1: is the engine The people that are designing the bitcoin,
Speaker 1: they're supposed to checkture to check and make sure it's
Speaker 1: like okay, not being manipulated or being paid for and
Speaker 1: funded by like guys like Epstein and this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the story gets even crazy, like I'm even processing
Speaker 2: this stuff over the.
Speaker 1: Last Yeah, I from proscent raise it was where I said,
Speaker 1: pretty much correct, that's like crazy. And then they wanted
Speaker 1: like one more a y B shows gender. So they're
Speaker 1: trying to make it so this would be the sole
Speaker 1: way people could like buy and sell things in America
Speaker 1: through these government projects. Is it a bitcoin?
Speaker 2: Well see cash CBDCs are Yes, CBDCs are are in
Speaker 2: an attempt to completely make our currency.
Speaker 1: Centraally can everything there'll be no cash, nothing else, no bitcoin.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they're working towards.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it gets worse than that. And again this
Speaker 2: is actually my area of focus and expertise. There's something
Speaker 2: right now called the Clarity Act, so so CBDCs and
Speaker 2: stable coins which I consider to be backdoor CBDCs, that
Speaker 2: is creating these digital tokens for you know that you
Speaker 2: used to buy and sell things, right, The Clarity Act
Speaker 2: is looking to create digital tokens that represent everything that
Speaker 2: you own. So we're not just money only represents five
Speaker 2: percent of overall assets. Most people don't have their net
Speaker 2: worth in money. They have it in real estate, they
Speaker 2: have it in stocks, bonds, you know, one case, gold, silver.
Speaker 2: The Clarity Act is looking to put in place regulations
Speaker 2: for the tokenization of all of those things. So imagine
Speaker 2: what I was talking about in terms of, you know,
Speaker 2: with a CBDC or these government regulated stable coins, they
Speaker 2: can program, track and censor your money. Now they'll be
Speaker 2: able to program and track and censor everything that you own.
Speaker 2: This is how big of a deal.
Speaker 1: They want to know? If I own gold, they want
Speaker 1: my stocks. Potentially they could they could tax you on
Speaker 1: your net worth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well tax you, or let's say they decide they
Speaker 2: don't like what you have to say. Let's say your
Speaker 2: controversial credit score is a little bit low. Social credit
Speaker 2: scores a little bit low. I'm sorry, you can't sell
Speaker 2: your stocks, you can't sell your bond.
Speaker 1: To have a check mark on X, it shows my
Speaker 1: credit score is extremely low. It was stripped away from
Speaker 1: me to fight despite being famous.
Speaker 2: Exactly well that this is what they're implementing now. This
Speaker 2: is actively going on now, even separate from from these files.
Speaker 2: They're putting the laws in place. And by the way,
Speaker 2: we'll get to this, but Howard Lutnik, it turns out,
Speaker 2: benefits from all of this. But going back to this
Speaker 2: situation with Brock Pierce, so he has this thing in
Speaker 2: the early two thousands, then he starts a company selling
Speaker 2: digital gold within war of World of Warcraft, the video game,
Speaker 2: and Steve Bannon ends up becoming the CEO of that company,
Speaker 2: which that all becomes weird because this is also tied
Speaker 2: into the Epstein files. But it turns out Pierce met Epstein,
Speaker 2: we think for the first time. It could have been
Speaker 2: before this, but in two thy and eleven on Little
Speaker 2: Saint James Island and he started advising him on crypto
Speaker 2: all the way back then, and we didn't know any
Speaker 2: of this. People didn't know. The only thing that we
Speaker 2: knew about Epstein was we knew that he had this
Speaker 2: investment in this MIT group, and we know that there's
Speaker 2: one article that's ever been published where he was interviewed
Speaker 2: talking about crypto currency, and in that interview he says
Speaker 2: bitcoin is not a currency, it's a store of value.
Speaker 2: So the only time Jeffrey Epstein ever said anything about bitcoin,
Speaker 2: it's to say that, oh, it's not peer to peer
Speaker 2: digital cash as outlined in the white paper. It is
Speaker 2: digital gold. It's something you're supposed to This is.
Speaker 1: So stupid, Like, I mean, I get it, I want
Speaker 1: to go up in value, but there's no purpose if
Speaker 1: we can't spend it as cash. At least that's how
Speaker 1: my mind perceives it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's generally how money works. I mean, you're not
Speaker 2: If you can't use it as a medium of exchange
Speaker 2: to buy and sell things, then it's not going to become.
Speaker 1: Over They have to flee the country and have some bitcoin,
Speaker 1: and I can't buy anything with it. How am I
Speaker 1: to flee the country?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can't plane ticket right now. I don't want to wait, like,
Speaker 1: you know, an hour or two, seven days or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's not really money if you can't buy something
Speaker 1: instantly interesting, So they didn't want.
Speaker 2: It to be money. But at the same time, we
Speaker 2: now find out that Epstein invested in Blockstream, So he
Speaker 2: invested in that company that I talked about earlier that
Speaker 2: benefits from bitcoin being kind of throttled at seven transactions
Speaker 2: per second. So in other words, he profited by bitcoin
Speaker 2: becoming slow and expensive by the creation of this new
Speaker 2: Blockstream company. But then it gets even worse than that.
Speaker 2: This is the really bad and actually again we've only
Speaker 2: scratched the surface of this, but it turns out he
Speaker 2: invested in Blockstream eight months before he ended up. So
Speaker 2: that Bitcoin foundation that I mentioned that brock Pierce was
Speaker 2: the chair of that was responsible for funding these open
Speaker 2: source developers, it collapsed in twenty fifteen. There were a
Speaker 2: lot of people that were willing to step up and
Speaker 2: pick up the slack to fund the developer, but the group,
Speaker 2: miraculously that ended up saving the day was the MIT
Speaker 2: group funded by Jeffrey Epstein. So, in other words, the
Speaker 2: group that brock Pierce, who's Epstein's crypto advisor. That group crashes,
Speaker 2: and then the group that Epstein is funding through mi
Speaker 2: T ends up taking over the funding of these developers,
Speaker 2: and those developers cement the changes to bitcoin to keep
Speaker 2: it slow and expensively supposed to be.
Speaker 1: Really had to understand this. These are the guys that
Speaker 1: make sure nothing's wrong with it, to make sure it's
Speaker 1: moving slow, make sure nothing's shady going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: These are the guys that are doing that. The guys
Speaker 1: that monitored it all are being funded by Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: They're being funded by Jeffrey Epstein, and they're the gatekeepers
Speaker 2: for the code changes. So there were code changes that
Speaker 2: were made and cemented during this time period to make
Speaker 2: sure that it couldn't have big blocks, and couldn't do
Speaker 2: a lot of transactions, and couldn't be used as peer
Speaker 2: to peer digital cash. All of those changes happened through
Speaker 2: this group that was funded by Epstein through mi T,
Speaker 2: and then Epstein was an investor in a company that
Speaker 2: benefited from those changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is like, I don't know that's bitcoin, but
Speaker 1: this is this is crazy. That's like, so it was
Speaker 1: intentionally slowed down. You say big blocks, so if it's
Speaker 1: smaller blocks, it moves faster. I'm sorry, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about it. Quick.
Speaker 2: If there's smaller blocks, the blocks are how many transactions
Speaker 2: you can actually process. And bitcoin works every ten minutes,
Speaker 2: new blocks are added to the blockchain, and you have
Speaker 2: these computers all over the world that are computing to
Speaker 2: solve these math puzzles, and if your computer wins, you
Speaker 2: get what's called the block reward, and then you get
Speaker 2: to be the one that adds the transactions to the blockchain,
Speaker 2: and then you get the transaction fees as well, on
Speaker 2: top of the little block reward that you get. If
Speaker 2: the blocks are small, then you can only have a
Speaker 2: set number of transactions every ten minutes. The original design
Speaker 2: in the white paper had no block size at all.
Speaker 2: There was a one minute block size put in very early,
Speaker 2: just as they were testing things and trying to get
Speaker 2: the network to work. And then these people came in
Speaker 2: and tried you know, imagine you're like you're tinkering with
Speaker 2: something and you're trying it out. You put in this
Speaker 2: little small test that variable because no one's using the
Speaker 2: software and you're trying to work out the kinks, and
Speaker 2: then other people come in and say, oh, that thing
Speaker 2: that we put in for, you know, for testing purposes,
Speaker 2: that's now a permanent hard cap, and now we're going
Speaker 2: to completely build the entire system based on this.
Speaker 1: You don't how many engineers they had hired what You
Speaker 1: don't how many engineers they had hired to do this
Speaker 1: or no.
Speaker 2: Well, it's an open source project, so there are a
Speaker 2: lot of people that committed to it. But the MIT
Speaker 2: group funded three primary developers, and we even know their names.
Speaker 2: This story gets even more wild, and I had even
Speaker 2: reported on this. One of the developers that that MIT
Speaker 2: took over the funding for is a guy named Corey Fields.
Speaker 2: Corey Fields worked on again I don't want to get
Speaker 2: two technical, but Segue and Lightning Network, which are the
Speaker 2: two projects that really capped, you know, cemented bitcoin as
Speaker 2: digital gold instead of digital cash. So this guy, Corey
Speaker 2: Field's worked on those projects. He later then became a
Speaker 2: co author through MIT of Project Hamilton. Project Hamilton is
Speaker 2: the CBDC pilot that MIT worked on with the Federal
Speaker 2: Reserve that was designed to replace the dollar.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 2: And so let me put this in perspective. They took
Speaker 2: bitcoin that was supposed to be used as cash with
Speaker 2: no limitation on how many transactions per second. They thrated
Speaker 2: at seven transactions per second. One of the developers that
Speaker 2: was involved in that, Corey Fields, went on to work
Speaker 2: on building the digital dollar through Project Hamilton. That project
Speaker 2: can do one point seven million transactions per second.
Speaker 1: Wait, so he designed one really quick and slowed down bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Well no, he didn't slow it down. He was just
Speaker 1: one of the people him. But basically, the same people
Speaker 1: that are trying to sload on bitcoin, they designed their
Speaker 1: own to be extremely fast.
Speaker 2: They designed their own to be extremely fast.
Speaker 1: So that's how good this is. And this one's not
Speaker 1: kind of a scenario.
Speaker 2: Yes, so people are saying, well, hey, you know, bitcoin's
Speaker 2: now digital gold, and then they came up with this
Speaker 2: thing where it's called Lightning Network that they said would
Speaker 2: ultimately be cash. But yet at the same time, the
Speaker 2: same developers that hobbled bitcoin created a completely different project,
Speaker 2: Project Hamilton, that would be controlled centrally by the government.
Speaker 2: And so like, this is a I mean, this is
Speaker 2: a massive hijacking, right, So this is like we're so
Speaker 2: we basically neutered bitcoin. If you go back to two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, banks, you know they didn't realize it
Speaker 2: right away, but banks started to get worried about bitcoin.
Speaker 2: Right if people started using bitcoin instead of our printed
Speaker 2: out of air fake stuff that we're doing, then this
Speaker 2: could be a real threat. So they came in and
Speaker 2: made it some bitcoin couldn't be used for that purpose,
Speaker 2: and then the central bank itself, the Federal Reserve Bank,
Speaker 2: worked with some bitcoin developers to create a centralized version
Speaker 2: that they could fully control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shocked, but I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I mean, is this fixable or should we save that
Speaker 1: question for the end?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not even done. But wait, there's more.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's all say that question. Think,
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot more. It's just like crazy
Speaker 1: hearing all this and like trying to process this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I should I shouldn't be shocked because we know these
Speaker 1: people were dealing with.
Speaker 2: I mean, so, so they shifted this narrative, and so
Speaker 2: it's again now no longer digital cash. Now we're saying
Speaker 2: it's it's digital gold. But in order for it to
Speaker 2: be successful as digital gold, it would have to either
Speaker 2: retain its value or go up in price, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously a bitcoin fell in value, then people wouldn't buy
Speaker 2: the digital gold narrative. Well, now enter brock Pierce again.
Speaker 2: So brock Pierce again is involved in the blow up
Speaker 2: of the Bitcoin Foundation, handing the devs over to MI.
Speaker 2: I t that then work on, you know, slowing Bitcoin down.
Speaker 2: He's a co founder of Tether. Tether is what's called
Speaker 2: a stable coin. So it is a cryptocurrency where what
Speaker 2: one you know, coin equals one dollar. And now in
Speaker 2: theory it's supposed to be backed by dollars or things
Speaker 2: that are worth dollars, so that you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: if I create a token and I say it's worth
Speaker 2: a dollar, then you know, presumably it's backed by.
Speaker 1: Something it should be it should be.
Speaker 2: Well, it turns out on two separate occasions, once by
Speaker 2: the CFTC and once by the State of New York,
Speaker 2: Tether was found to not actually have the assets backing.
Speaker 1: They don't even have the big tell you they didn't.
Speaker 2: They don't have that. They don't have dollars, gold, bitcoin,
Speaker 2: they don't. They don't have the assets necessary to be
Speaker 2: able to make the claim that one tether is worth
Speaker 2: one dollar. In fact, I think in one of one
Speaker 2: of the analysis they they determined that they had only
Speaker 2: twenty six percent coverage.
Speaker 1: They're printing money out of thin air, just like the
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve, like without without that illegally, and no one
Speaker 1: I assume.
Speaker 2: No, oh no, it's and it's it's like it's like
Speaker 2: a metaponzi. Right, we're printing money out of thin air,
Speaker 2: and then they're printing tokens out of thin air backed
Speaker 2: by these other the dollar that's printed out of thin air,
Speaker 2: Like this is a new level of Ponzi scheme. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but here's the kicker. In twenty seventeen, twenty seventeen was
Speaker 2: a huge year for the price of bitcoin increasing, and
Speaker 2: this is where people started to get really excited about
Speaker 2: it and think, hey, maybe this is a store of value,
Speaker 2: maybe this is something that would compete with gold Well
Speaker 2: University of Texas did an analysis that found that fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the increase in price of bitcoin was due
Speaker 2: to tether. So, in other words, it looks like they
Speaker 2: printed they printed tether out of finn air to pump
Speaker 2: the price of bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. So I know
Speaker 2: this story is complex.
Speaker 1: I've chocked. I haven't heard this all yet. This is crazy.
Speaker 1: I know there's stuff all over the Epstein files in there.
Speaker 1: But isn't Tether tied in? Isn't there some ties with
Speaker 1: Howard Lutnik? Or no, Yeah, that guy's a demon. It's
Speaker 1: looking at him disgusts me.
Speaker 2: The Howard Now, the Howard Lutnick story starts now. Now
Speaker 2: keep in mind one of the other things that we've
Speaker 2: learned about all of this. So, so brock Pierce is
Speaker 2: a co founder of Tether, and in the emails, you know,
Speaker 2: we see that he's advising Epstein on a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of investments. One of the other investments that we just
Speaker 2: learned in the last week that Epstein invested in and
Speaker 2: is a company called Circle. Circle is the second largest
Speaker 2: stable coin. So Tether's a stable coin. You know, one
Speaker 2: cooin equals one dollar, so is that Circle has something
Speaker 2: called USDC. Turns out Epstein invested in that very early
Speaker 2: through brock Pierce. We even have the email where he says, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, here are the documents for the investment fund
Speaker 2: that we're going to use to funnel your funds. And
Speaker 2: so I went and looked up, okay, well what did
Speaker 2: this cryptocurrency partners invest in? And that lo and behold
Speaker 2: there it is circle. So Epstein's involved in funding stable
Speaker 2: coins at the very beginning. Now I don't have proof
Speaker 2: of this yet because tethers as a really shady history
Speaker 2: in terms of the shell companies and everything involved and
Speaker 2: who owns what. But I would be stunned if Epstein wasn't,
Speaker 2: through some backdoor channel, an early investor in Tether as well.
Speaker 2: And so so anyway, so Brock starts Tether. Tether is
Speaker 2: responsible for a big part of the price appreciation of bitcoin,
Speaker 2: and they have all these struggles. They've never been able
Speaker 2: to pass an audit. Never they have. In fact, they've
Speaker 2: they've gotten to the point where no audit firm will
Speaker 2: even work with them to try to do an audit
Speaker 2: to see if the reserves are there.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, if me and you started a
Speaker 1: company like this and did this, would you be arrested
Speaker 1: or would they just ignore us too? If not, let's
Speaker 1: just get our own going. We can sell bitcoin. It
Speaker 1: doesn't exist.
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how politically connected we are.
Speaker 1: I guess it depends on how there No person would
Speaker 1: be arrested crack. This is like something that doesn't no personally,
Speaker 1: you'd be arresd Yeah, this sea's the same to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make sure of getting that. Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 1: this is the immediate go to jail. Do not collect
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars. If not, I was gonna start selling bitcoin.
Speaker 2: Right well, so now so tether that never passes not it,
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Howard Lutnick gets involved.
Speaker 2: Now Howard Lutnick several things we now know. He was
Speaker 2: tied to Epstein. He claims to he claimed to not
Speaker 2: have been. He claimed that, you know, he visited his
Speaker 2: New York apartment in two thousand and five or two
Speaker 2: thousand and six and was disgusted. And it turns out
Speaker 2: he's Epstein's next door neighbor. It turns out they've done
Speaker 2: business deals together. It turns out he's invested alongside Epstein,
Speaker 2: and so Lutnick lied. He actually just explicitly lied about
Speaker 2: the nature of his relationship with Epstein. But all of
Speaker 2: a sudden he comes in and gets involved with tether
Speaker 2: and and he invests his firm, Canter Fitzgerald, invests six
Speaker 2: hundred million.
Speaker 1: Dollars in technics Jo money.
Speaker 2: And the reason that they did this is so that
Speaker 2: his firm Canter Fitzgerald could manage all of the treasuries
Speaker 2: backing tether. So now what's interesting about this is, remember
Speaker 2: they've never done an audit before, and there's never been
Speaker 2: any regulation on stable coins that state, you know, if
Speaker 2: you have a stable coin, you know, you could have
Speaker 2: a stable coin in back it by gold or by bitcoin,
Speaker 2: or by land or whatever it happens to be. There's
Speaker 2: nothing that says that you have to have a stable
Speaker 2: coin that's backed by treasuries. Well, Lutnik gets involved, cuts
Speaker 2: this deal to manage what I believe is now one
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty billion dollars worth of treasuries. It wasn't
Speaker 2: that at that time, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: gets involved in government. Now you have to understand, Lutnik
Speaker 2: is not a diehard Republican. People did not know who
Speaker 2: Lutnick was politically. In fact, the Epstein files show he
Speaker 2: was trying to get money from Epstein for a fundraiser
Speaker 2: that he was doing for Hillary Clinton. He did a
Speaker 2: fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen. Right, So this
Speaker 2: guy is not known in Republican circles. He's not even
Speaker 2: that kind of politically active. He invests in tether to
Speaker 2: manage the treasuries, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 2: becomes the chair of Trump's transition Committee, which is a
Speaker 2: powerful role. It's that role is responsible for recruiting members
Speaker 2: of the entire cabinet, so the Treasury Secretary, Defense Secretary,
Speaker 2: all of those people. This is something that as heading
Speaker 2: up the transition team, Lutnick is like right in the
Speaker 2: middle of That's kind of odd to have this power
Speaker 2: when you have no political experience and the last thing
Speaker 2: that you did was do a fundraiser for Trump's competitor
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, Lutnik was actually trying to put himself
Speaker 2: up for Treasury secretary. So think about the conflict here.
Speaker 2: He's just negotiated a deal to manage all the treasuries
Speaker 2: for tether and now he's trying to get the role
Speaker 2: of tracery secretary.
Speaker 1: That's a conflict of interest to this guy. I know
Speaker 1: who he was till recently, but I just get like
Speaker 1: I discussed when I look him, and he was he
Speaker 1: bought a home from Epstein, like he said he was
Speaker 1: next on Avery, he bought a home from He had
Speaker 1: one of those guys that happened to miswork on nine
Speaker 1: to eleven. Again, they lived in units nine and eleven.
Speaker 1: Interesting things. It's like, there's something about this guy just
Speaker 1: absolutely disgusts me.
Speaker 2: Well is, as you dig into it, there are allegations
Speaker 2: of and I want to say allegations, I don't want
Speaker 2: to get into trouble. There's allegations of money laundering. You're
Speaker 2: right that he wasn't there on nine to eleven. And
Speaker 2: there are even allegations that he misappropriated funds for the
Speaker 2: victim relief for his company from nine to eleven. Like,
Speaker 2: it's just the more you dig into this, the worse
Speaker 2: that it gets. But now let's fast forward. They passed
Speaker 2: this thing called the Genius Act, and the Genius this
Speaker 2: just happened. Trump pushed this. The Genius Act says that
Speaker 2: in order to be a legal stable coin, you have
Speaker 2: to back your stable coin by only US treasuries. So,
Speaker 2: in other words, Howard Lutnik in his firm, is the
Speaker 2: single biggest beneficiary of the Genius Act. And now you
Speaker 2: know he's essentially managing all of the money that backs tether. Now,
Speaker 2: to put this in scale, this kind of I think
Speaker 2: this is the biggest financial scandal in human history. And
Speaker 2: I know it's a little bit complicated.
Speaker 1: In saying though it sounds huge.
Speaker 2: There's this there's this book by G. Edward Griffin called
Speaker 2: The Creature from Jackal Island and and it talks about
Speaker 2: it's a great book, and he talks about how the
Speaker 2: Federal Reserve was created. Basically, you know, a bunch of
Speaker 2: shadowy guys got together off of the coast of Georgia
Speaker 2: and decided, Hey, you know, we're going to create a
Speaker 2: new monetary system where we print the money out of
Speaker 2: thin air back by government debt. And that's the system
Speaker 2: that we have. If you look at what Lutnik's doing,
Speaker 2: he's creating a you know, I mean, I might call
Speaker 2: it the Creature from Epstein's Eye Island, a situation here
Speaker 2: where we're now having a digital currency, right, so from
Speaker 2: our perspective as citizens now it's a it's a you understand,
Speaker 2: tether can be tracked and programmed and censored. And this
Speaker 2: happens all of the time. People are constantly having Even
Speaker 2: before the Genius Act, people were having these tethers seized.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've noticed tons of tezul I look that up,
Speaker 1: tons of tetherwall. It's received like constantly.
Speaker 2: Constantly sees This is even before the Genius Act. But essentially,
Speaker 2: imagine now we are creating a digital dollar where we
Speaker 2: have less freedom, we have less financial privacy. But instead
Speaker 2: of having the Federal Reserve, which is a group of
Speaker 2: private banks, there's one firm controlling all of the treasuries
Speaker 2: backing Tether, and it's Canter Fitzgerald. This guy's becoming like
Speaker 2: the new Federal Reserve. And so every time you spend Tether,
Speaker 2: you're making money for Howard Lutnik and his firm. He
Speaker 2: has a complete control over every transaction that's done through tether.
Speaker 2: This is this is an unprecedented front. And remember this
Speaker 2: is a Tether's is a crypto project that's still never
Speaker 2: passed an audit. And what they've been able to do
Speaker 2: with these tether in addition to pumping up the price
Speaker 2: of cryptocurrencies, they've purchased like twenty four tons of gold,
Speaker 2: They're buying land, they're buying real assets with these tokens
Speaker 2: that no one can determine if they've ever been backed
Speaker 2: by anything. And now Lutnik is there in the center
Speaker 2: after pushing a law that he personally benefits from. You know,
Speaker 2: all these people complain about Nancy Pelosi and insider trading.
Speaker 2: What do you call it when you, you know, cut
Speaker 2: a deal to to essentially manage all of the money
Speaker 2: beyond the Yeah, it's it's beyond that. I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to how to examine this. So then now
Speaker 2: this is what what we're dealing with here. This is
Speaker 2: the size and the scale of this. And so you know,
Speaker 2: we get less freedom, Howard Lutnik gets more money and uh,
Speaker 2: and this is happening without people resist or knowing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is this like widely known what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: Because I have not. This is insane what you're telling me.
Speaker 1: And I have not seen this around and follow the
Speaker 1: bitcoins stuff. But I did see he was I did
Speaker 1: see let Nick all over it, but I don't understand
Speaker 1: the depth of it.
Speaker 2: So this is the problem, and this is kind of
Speaker 2: the problem with politics. And I left this part out,
Speaker 2: But I actually ran for president in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: specifically to raise awareness about the threat of CBDCs. So
Speaker 2: my book that I mentioned, the Final Countdown, Vivek Ramaswami
Speaker 2: read the book. I had three conversations with him about it.
Speaker 2: He pushed Trump to come out against cbdc's the night
Speaker 2: before the presidential primary in New Hampshire, and so he
Speaker 2: signed an executive order that says the United States will
Speaker 2: not have a central bank digital currency. So the problem is,
Speaker 2: because obviously we're even going through this conversation, it's technical.
Speaker 2: You have to unpack, you have to understand how the
Speaker 2: current system works to understand. So most people just dismissed
Speaker 2: it and said, yeah, mag you know, we're not going
Speaker 2: to have a digital you know, a CDC. And so
Speaker 2: everybody's been completely disarmed. And now what they've done is
Speaker 2: they've passed essentially a backdoor CBDC. So rather than having
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve issue it, let's just have something that
Speaker 2: you know, you know Howard Lutnick and Canter Fitzgerald could issue. Now,
Speaker 2: Teather's not the only stable coin, but it ends up
Speaker 2: being the same the same outcome as we have with
Speaker 2: the Federal Reserve. You have a small group of people
Speaker 2: managing all of the money that are then issuing digital
Speaker 2: tokens that are controlled by the government and the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 2: It's a complete loss for us. And I will tell
Speaker 2: you how bad this is. Last year there was thirty
Speaker 2: three trillion dollars worth of transaction volume using these stable coins.
Speaker 2: That's more than VISA, right. This is a so imagine
Speaker 2: if Kamala Harris had won and said we're going to
Speaker 2: implement a CBDC shed bring in some like DEI squad,
Speaker 2: and they'd never figured it out, they would have never
Speaker 2: implemented it, right, It would have been kind of like,
Speaker 2: I'm acare.
Speaker 1: Is too down? A bunch of bumbling idiots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, complete bubblemics. In this case, we captured thirty three
Speaker 2: trillion dollars worth of transaction volume and we're and we're
Speaker 2: putting that now under control of Congress. The same people
Speaker 2: that give you know, your customer laws, the same people
Speaker 2: that do the transaction reports, the same people that share
Speaker 2: your information, you know, banks share your information with the
Speaker 2: IRS and can debank you. This is what this has
Speaker 2: actually already happened. This legislation has passed, and it's implemented,
Speaker 2: and Tether just I think two weeks ago, launched the
Speaker 2: you know, the first official stable coin under this Genius Act,
Speaker 2: and so this has happened. I've been one of the
Speaker 2: only people trying to sound the alarm on this, and
Speaker 2: the Clarity Act is worse because this is going to
Speaker 2: apply now this level of control to your retirement fund
Speaker 2: and your and you know, stocks, bonds and gold and
Speaker 2: everything else like this is this is the digital tyranny
Speaker 2: that I've been trying.
Speaker 1: To Yes, like very big deal. Hopefully we get some
Speaker 1: traction on this interview. I mean, would you be willing
Speaker 1: to do a debate if someone likes trying to disagree
Speaker 1: with stuff, because it's seems pretty straightforward to me. But
Speaker 1: if I know there's been some pushback on some of
Speaker 1: the stuff you're saying, I.
Speaker 2: Would do a debate on this. But here's the funny thing.
Speaker 2: So most of the people that are arguing about this
Speaker 2: are arguing about hijacking bitcoin from the perspective of bitcoin
Speaker 2: versus bitcoin cash.
Speaker 1: And these these with that argument happening, That's.
Speaker 2: Not what I'm talking about the threat. So this is
Speaker 2: this is my argument about going all the way back
Speaker 2: to the whole point of bitcoin. The point of bitcoin
Speaker 2: after the two thousand and eight collapse was we need
Speaker 2: money that we can use, that sound money, and that
Speaker 2: we won't have these filthy bankers in the middle of
Speaker 2: or governments regulating. Right, we don't have that because bitcoin
Speaker 2: can't be that back. Bitcoin still only does seven transactions
Speaker 2: per second. But there's one other problem with bitcoin that
Speaker 2: I didn't mention. Bitcoin is not anonymous. In fact, bitcoin
Speaker 2: is heavily tracked because it's an open ledger. So once
Speaker 2: you know one transaction that somebody did, you can actually
Speaker 2: track their entire history. There's a company called chain Analysis
Speaker 2: that since twenty fourteen, has been working with law enforcement
Speaker 2: agencies around the world, working with cryptocurrency exchanges to track
Speaker 2: and identify everyone's bitcoin transactions. Last year, I had three
Speaker 2: different people come to me with either business disputes or
Speaker 2: a divorce. And this is how bad this has gotten.
Speaker 2: Private investigators can now earn a certification in chain analysis
Speaker 2: that gives them access to tools where they can track bitcoin.
Speaker 2: So in this one case, they were able to find
Speaker 2: more of this person's bitcoin transactions going back over a
Speaker 2: long time period, longer time period than they could get
Speaker 2: from the bank because the bank typically only holds records
Speaker 2: for seven years. So if you understand that the threat
Speaker 2: is technocracy, that the threat is having money, imagine COVID
Speaker 2: under this situation. Imagine again I mentioned this before, but
Speaker 2: they could determine Hey, your business, you're a non essential business.
Speaker 2: We're shutting off your access to money. We're shutting off
Speaker 2: your control to the supply chain. This isn't a conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory about whether the government will do these things. We've
Speaker 2: lived through this.
Speaker 1: So this is what may be political COVID. They they
Speaker 1: forced it on me. Oh, this is really incerting, and
Speaker 1: I think it is what it is. People don't want
Speaker 1: to hear this because bitcoin, the idea is so amazing
Speaker 1: of a way to cut the government out. They don't
Speaker 1: have control, they can't track our stuff, and then boom,
Speaker 1: you see the offit. So it's like disheartening. So people
Speaker 1: who don't want to you know, they want to reject idea.
Speaker 1: But I think this is very concerning. We need to
Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it actually for the people.
Speaker 2: Again, well we didn't make it for the people. But
Speaker 2: the problem is that with the people that are that
Speaker 2: are you know, trying to put the alternate position on this,
Speaker 2: they're Bitcoin is not an alternative to this tyranny because
Speaker 2: it's still seven transactions per second, and because it can
Speaker 2: be tracked. So people still try to they're taking the
Speaker 2: yet fixed in your opinion from fifteen years ago, it
Speaker 2: can't be fixed. Well, right now, it's actually getting worse.
Speaker 2: They're actually debates now going on within the bitcoin community
Speaker 2: to make to make it even less useful, to make
Speaker 2: the blocks, to make it so that you can put
Speaker 2: less information.
Speaker 1: They really just want it's like gold the government. They
Speaker 1: want it as gold the government.
Speaker 2: And there's there's this clip that I play, which is
Speaker 2: it's it's like two minutes of Roger talking for it's
Speaker 2: the first time I saw Roger talking about bitcoin from
Speaker 2: that conference in like twenty twelve. And then there's Michael
Speaker 2: Sailor who's now the front man for this, and everybody
Speaker 2: is all enthusiastic about Michael Sailor, who has this company
Speaker 2: called Strategy, and he keeps on buying more and more
Speaker 2: of itd But what Michael Sailor says in his clip
Speaker 2: is bitcoin isn't about competing with the dollar. It's not
Speaker 2: about competing with the euro or MasterCard or visa. It's
Speaker 2: about complying with know your customer, it's about paying your taxes,
Speaker 2: and it's about being digital gold. Well I will tell
Speaker 2: you that. Okay, Well, even if you bought the argument
Speaker 2: that it's digital gold, what do we have as an
Speaker 2: alternative to these tyrannical central bank digital currencies and stable
Speaker 2: coins that are completely controlled by the government. We now
Speaker 2: don't have an alternative to that, and so we need
Speaker 2: this or you know, we're basically going to find ourselves
Speaker 2: living in a complete digital prison. So so my argument
Speaker 2: isn't about which flavor of bitcoin. So the only way
Speaker 2: that you can defeat a technocratic state like this, a
Speaker 2: surveillance state, is through privacy. So most of the people
Speaker 2: that want to debate me probably think that it's a
Speaker 2: debate about bitcoin cash versus bitcoin.
Speaker 1: I think that's I think I missed the point of it.
Speaker 1: That's what it seemed when I was asking people, oh,
Speaker 1: why is this a scam? And they weren't even addressing
Speaker 1: anything that the issues were. That's exactly what I actually,
Speaker 1: that's what I run it to you, because people are
Speaker 1: like mad at me for talking about it, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to fire what their issues were. It doesn't
Speaker 1: even seem like they were looking at the same issues
Speaker 1: I was looking at. It's like we're having we weren't
Speaker 1: having the same conversation.
Speaker 2: Right. So I've been living on crypto since twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: and I've used different cryptos. I'm not a I'm not
Speaker 2: what's called a maximalist, and these things turn into like
Speaker 2: like religious cults, like you can't. I've noticed that if
Speaker 2: your project deviates from their project in any way, then
Speaker 2: you're a heretic. And you know it's a horrible thing.
Speaker 2: And you know whatever, I'm a I'm a freedom maximalist
Speaker 2: and i am a we need to do everything that
Speaker 2: we can to get people out of the current system.
Speaker 2: And what I've been saying, you know, even when I
Speaker 2: ran for president, is we need if you want to
Speaker 2: stop funding these wars all over the world, if you
Speaker 2: don't like our foreign policy, if you want to stop
Speaker 2: funding both sides and whatever's going on in Minnesota, stop
Speaker 2: using the dollar if we are if we are complicit
Speaker 2: in using that. But the solution to this, I've moved
Speaker 2: entirely into privacy coins. We need to be able to
Speaker 2: engage in transactions that aren't on an open ledger that
Speaker 2: can be tracked and frozen. And so I've moved over
Speaker 2: the last couple of years entirely into either physical gold
Speaker 2: or silver, which is rare for day to day trains.
Speaker 1: Actually you actually have you need to have the gold
Speaker 1: and silver. Don't have paper because it might be more
Speaker 1: of these stuff.
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist, correct, correct, And by the way, they'll
Speaker 2: tokenize that and track that as well, so it can
Speaker 2: be confiscated and so on and so forth. Not to
Speaker 2: fear too much, but I mean FDR confiscated gold. Now
Speaker 2: it's making this digital gold analogy. People are now buying
Speaker 2: bitcoin through these ETFs. So like the black Rock has
Speaker 2: an ETF and fidelity and everything else. Analyze the contracts.
Speaker 2: The contracts say if something happens to the bitcoin, if
Speaker 2: they're stolen, you don't even have FDIC insurance. There's a
Speaker 2: clause in there about this could be confiscated. You know
Speaker 2: how much easier it would be for the government to
Speaker 2: go to Black Rock and say, hey, we want to
Speaker 2: we've decided we're confiscating bitcoin. They'll take all of the
Speaker 2: bitcoin in the ETF. Right, It's not even great when
Speaker 2: your thing is completely trackable and now you're holding it
Speaker 2: through third parties that are regulated, you have no control.
Speaker 1: Trust Larry told you a bitcoin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Larry Fink, and then you know, and
Speaker 2: then he holds it at coin base, which epstein is.
Speaker 1: I actually have some crypto and coinbase, but I was
Speaker 1: transferring my friendly told me to transferred out some of
Speaker 1: it transferred to like Zano and f usd. He's he's
Speaker 1: a big, big cooin guy. That's what. I don't know
Speaker 1: a lot about it. That's what he had me switched
Speaker 1: some of it to, not all of it.
Speaker 2: But so this so this is this is what I've
Speaker 2: I've moved to privacy coins. And I first started with Minaro,
Speaker 2: which is kind of the you know, the most known player.
Speaker 2: But over the last eighteen months, I've moved you know,
Speaker 2: most into uh something called zano UH. And Zyno is
Speaker 2: a it's a privacy coin that was created by the
Speaker 2: same guy that actually created the technology behind the narrow
Speaker 2: So it's kind of it's got hardcore tech behind it.
Speaker 2: But what's neat about Zyo is Zeno allows you to
Speaker 2: create tokens. You can tokenize other assets. So just like
Speaker 2: if you look at what the governments are doing and
Speaker 2: these other players, they're tokenizing the dollar, they're tokenizing everything else,
Speaker 2: but they're doing this in a way that they can
Speaker 2: control it. Zeno allows you to tokenize different assets and
Speaker 2: trade them with complete privacy. So I'll give you one
Speaker 2: example of tokenization with Zeno. It's something called Freedom Dollar.
Speaker 2: So Freedom dollar is a stable coin. So you know,
Speaker 2: one FUSD is the is the ticker symbol. One FUSD
Speaker 2: equals one dollar, just like tether, except the difference is
Speaker 2: Freedom Dollar isn't backed by US treasuries. It's actually backed
Speaker 2: by overclateralized zaeno. It's what's called an algorithmic stable coin.
Speaker 2: So you're not funding government tyranny when you use this,
Speaker 2: but it's completely private. It has mo narrow level privacy.
Speaker 2: So I use Freedom Dollar another example, and you ask
Speaker 2: is there anything that can be done?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just talking to these guys on or
Speaker 1: the Zayo guys. We are going back and forth because
Speaker 1: I was like I said a friends that it was good.
Speaker 1: But it's like I'm trying to like all these projects,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to track down make sure it's legit. But
Speaker 1: the guys seem cool. But it's that's funny.
Speaker 2: Well it seems.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I'm actually in Mexico City right now. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be speaking at a conference called Minerotopia tonight, so it's
Speaker 2: going to have all the privacy projects there.
Speaker 1: So all these all these privacy projects are great. Minera
Speaker 1: that's the other one that I've been hearing a lot
Speaker 1: about Narrow and Zano are the two that I've heard about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Naro, Naro and Zeno, and I I like them both.
Speaker 2: I use them both. I like Zeno because I think
Speaker 2: they're bigger applications, but we need both. In fact, we
Speaker 2: need more, we need more privacy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to pick one and like be like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the one, just like go to a privacy
Speaker 1: and we want a few of these. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be one of the guys that like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is the only thing I believe in. Back to
Speaker 1: freedom dollar real quick. So that is basically for like
Speaker 1: you actually buying and selling it really fast. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm a little no, that's exactly how it works.
Speaker 2: Well, this is for making you know, normal pain. So
Speaker 2: Zeno like like other cryptocurrencies, it's somewhat volatile, although it
Speaker 2: has there's some attributes to it that I like. People
Speaker 2: buy it because they need it to use it for
Speaker 2: these other projects that are tokenized on Zeno. But I'll
Speaker 2: hold Zeno, excuse me, free a bunch of freedom dollar
Speaker 2: in my account and then I use it for living expenses.
Speaker 1: Yeah I don't. Oh, now, my friend taught me how
Speaker 1: to put my bitcoin on here, and I think that's
Speaker 1: what he used, right. I just scan it like when
Speaker 1: I buy food now because I didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do that, Like oh cool, Now I can just scan
Speaker 1: this and like like a credit card.
Speaker 2: Yeah there, so there's a credit. So there's another part
Speaker 2: of this that I use something called z bec, a
Speaker 2: Zbeck MasterCard and this zbek MasterCard. You can actually load
Speaker 2: your freedom dollar right onto this master card, which you
Speaker 2: can use everywhere master cards accepted. So I'm literally in
Speaker 2: Mexico City. Everything that I've purchased on this trip, from
Speaker 2: the airline tickets to the hotel, to uber and everything else,
Speaker 2: I purchased using Freedom Dollar, which I loaded onto this
Speaker 2: zebec astrocard. It is my go to thing. So, as
Speaker 2: I said, I've been living on crypto. I guess it's
Speaker 2: seven years now, and it's been hard. You know, there
Speaker 2: have been a lot of projects have failed and everything else.
Speaker 2: This is so far. This is actually the easiest way
Speaker 2: to do it. You can do it right from your
Speaker 2: phone that the funds gets transferred instantly. Sometimes when you
Speaker 2: use other cryptos and other services you have to wait
Speaker 2: hours in some cases days. It's instant and then you're
Speaker 2: off to the races, and so freedom dollar is is
Speaker 2: my go to for living expenses. I hold on to
Speaker 2: Zayo because I think it's it's the cryptocurrency that's going
Speaker 2: to be used for these tokenization projects, and.
Speaker 1: I think you can actually can't you put other crypto
Speaker 1: on there too?
Speaker 2: See other crypto on the z beck.
Speaker 1: No, not in the z on the on the zeno
Speaker 1: because I think I believe I have a bitcoin on there.
Speaker 1: My friend helped me set it up.
Speaker 2: So it's like, oh yeah, yeah, so there's this thing
Speaker 2: called confidential layer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has you can have a bitcoin on there,
Speaker 1: you can have you can have a theory and all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you ask, is there any way to fix big?
Speaker 1: Look? There is? Yeah, used and how I had it?
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't look good from the standpoint of, you know,
Speaker 2: if anything they're making to bitcoin, you know, more expensive
Speaker 2: and more complicated to use, and it's you know, has
Speaker 2: this issue of I want to explain how bad the
Speaker 2: issue is because I'll talk about the confidential layer thing
Speaker 2: in a second. The United States government has three hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five thousand bitcoin. How do you think they
Speaker 2: got that bitcoin? They didn't mind them, They didn't buy them,
Speaker 2: they stole them, they confiscated them using civil asset forfeiture.
Speaker 2: So all of these people that are out there saying
Speaker 2: this is freedom money, the government can't can't stop me.
Speaker 2: They can't, you know, not my keys, not my coins,
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing. Well, here's what happens.
Speaker 2: The government tracks the transactions, they find out which ones
Speaker 2: are yours, and then they come to you with a
Speaker 2: court order and they say, well here's the deal. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can hold on to your keys, and then you
Speaker 2: can spend the rest of your life in prison. Well,
Speaker 2: so far, when that offer has been made, people have
Speaker 2: unilaterally decided they would rather give up their bitcoin and
Speaker 2: spend time in prison. And so now the US has
Speaker 2: to bee hundred and twenty five thousand and other governments
Speaker 2: all over the world. Well, now now there's a whole precedent,
Speaker 2: and now there's all of this tracking. So you know,
Speaker 2: bitcoin is not a way to save you know, to
Speaker 2: protect your your assets if the government can identify it
Speaker 2: and seize it. Now, this thing called Confidential Layer allows
Speaker 2: you to create a tokenized version of your bitcoin and
Speaker 2: essentially make your bitcoin private and bitcoin spendable. So you
Speaker 2: mentioned I don't know which which wallet you're using or whatever.
Speaker 2: But you can have something called btc x in your
Speaker 2: wallet that you can then spend just like you would
Speaker 2: spend bitcoin, except with you know, it's faster and with
Speaker 2: lower fees, but with complete privacy. So that's another Apple I'm.
Speaker 1: Rib technologyn't understand that. My friends set it up, but
Speaker 1: then he put it and they put it onto a
Speaker 1: credit card and now it's like Apple pay where I
Speaker 1: can just scan it exactly. I don't think it was
Speaker 1: that difficult. I'm just terrible with technology.
Speaker 2: So no, it's it's quick. You go into the wallet,
Speaker 2: you you know, you click on a lay and then
Speaker 2: you click load funds. It's it's actually as easier, even
Speaker 2: easier than using a bank account, but your underlying assets
Speaker 2: are private, and yeah, you can use it with Google Pay,
Speaker 2: you can use it with Apple Pay, and you can
Speaker 2: even use you know, you can make your bitcoin Ethereum, Solana,
Speaker 2: and they're more and more cryptocurrencies, and so Zeno allows
Speaker 2: you to so you can imagine a future where people
Speaker 2: instead of having these you know, you tokenize your stock
Speaker 2: using zaoms, now you have you know, private shares instead
Speaker 2: of public shares controlled by black Rock. I've been working
Speaker 2: on a project called Osarro, which is a medical tourism marketplace.
Speaker 2: So in the United States, every minute somebody files for
Speaker 2: bankruptcy due to medical costs in the United States.
Speaker 1: Every country in the world. And we can't have healthcare,
Speaker 1: but we can fight all these wars and beil out bankers.
Speaker 1: It's disgusting.
Speaker 2: Well, well, seventy five percent of those people actually have insurance.
Speaker 2: This isn't a question of they didn't have The insurance
Speaker 2: doesn't actually provide catastrophic coverage. And so it turns out
Speaker 2: our healthcare costs are the highest in the world. The
Speaker 2: quality is really low. So we created this this database,
Speaker 2: global database of medical tourism destinations. You can go to
Speaker 2: different countries and save up to eighty percent on your
Speaker 2: costs and get better treat with better treatment. So what
Speaker 2: I've done with that is one of the problems with
Speaker 2: medical tourism is you have an issue of if you're
Speaker 2: trying to wire money from your bank or you're using
Speaker 2: a credit card, a lot of the banks don't they
Speaker 2: automatically flagg international transactions, and so something like freedom Dollar
Speaker 2: used with medical tourism is a great opportunity to make
Speaker 2: it easier for people to go abroad and to get
Speaker 2: better health come healthcare.
Speaker 1: It's insane we're even having this conversation that we should
Speaker 1: have to talk about traveling to a foreign country to
Speaker 1: get medical treatment. But I really go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: I think they're absolutely discussing, filthy dirty how to go
Speaker 1: to the hospital in Thailand for bad staff infection. And
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, this is going to be terrible.
Speaker 1: I went in there and I was blown away. It
Speaker 1: was way way cheaper, cleaner, the doctor was more knowledgeable.
Speaker 1: I was in and out. It was like one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. I had a staff infection. In the
Speaker 1: US it was like two thousand dollars. Like the doctors
Speaker 1: had no clue what they were doing. I was in
Speaker 1: there in like five hours. That was one of those
Speaker 1: moments that I was just like, WHOA, why does Thailand
Speaker 1: have better health care than us? And I'm sure nothing
Speaker 1: all issues and I'm sure for the but we have
Speaker 1: the best. If you have a ton of money, you
Speaker 1: probably get the best doctors here. But for walking to
Speaker 1: two regular hospitals, it was Thailand was ten times better.
Speaker 2: Well this is wild. So in researching putting this together,
Speaker 2: I found some interesting things. Thailand is the biggest destination
Speaker 2: in the world for medical tourism. It's a one hundred
Speaker 2: billion dollar industry. Eight point seven billion dollars of it
Speaker 2: comes out of Thailand. And here's the other thing. So doctors,
Speaker 2: really high quality doctors hate the US system because their
Speaker 2: hands are tied. They're basically told by medical boards and
Speaker 2: insurance and big pharma what treatments they can even offer.
Speaker 2: So what's happening is good doctors are leaving the United
Speaker 2: States and they're going to these other destinations. And so
Speaker 2: like your experience, you can actually find other YouTube videos
Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, when you go to a
Speaker 2: hospital here, it's like a prison, or I guess I
Speaker 2: hate hockey. The system here it's like the Flintstones, and
Speaker 2: you go to Thailand and it's like you're in the jetson.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I couldn't believe it because I was obviously you
Speaker 1: could imagine I was going there with like fear, like
Speaker 1: oh man, this is going to be a nightmare, and
Speaker 1: just the exact opposite, you know, And it was just
Speaker 1: that shouldn't be. We shouldn't be the richest country in
Speaker 1: the world with the amount of taxes we pay just
Speaker 1: have complete failures of hospitals, schools, crumbling infrastructure. It's this
Speaker 1: whole separate topic, but it just gets frustrating.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the whole point of all this. So
Speaker 2: what I've been saying is stop using the dollar, start
Speaker 2: using privacy coins, start using gold, start using silver. But
Speaker 2: then start building parallel economy, Start building medical tourism, start
Speaker 2: building uh marketplaces for food freedom where you can actually
Speaker 2: buy our food supply.
Speaker 1: That's another just poison. They're poisoning people. Everyone's you know,
Speaker 1: everyone's sick. That's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Every single one of those those are opportunities for building
Speaker 2: marketplaces that you can use with privacy coins and get
Speaker 2: completely outside of the system. We're never going to win
Speaker 2: inside the system. Like I think Thomas Massey's great and
Speaker 2: what he's done with the Epstein file is the only
Speaker 2: positive thing I've ever seen from a politician in my
Speaker 2: entire life. Yeah, but we're not going to fix We're
Speaker 2: not going to fix the government, but we have to
Speaker 2: stop playing in their rig system with their broken money.
Speaker 2: But understand, if you think the money's broken, now wait
Speaker 2: until it's digitally programmed with with Howard Lutnick and Canter
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald back and controlling the entire money supply. It actually
Speaker 2: gets worse and it gets worth fat.
Speaker 1: You know. That's that's my concern. They're they're closing this
Speaker 1: all and at once. The polunteer, there's surveillance state. It's
Speaker 1: something like, we have we have to act now. It
Speaker 1: seems like there's not much time left. That's why this
Speaker 1: bitcoin is no an aspect. I understand that. Well, So
Speaker 1: this conversation has been extremely resting. The whole idea of
Speaker 1: them being able to watch every one of my transit
Speaker 1: actions and turn it off like that. I don't like
Speaker 1: that idea. I don't think most Americans do. Some might,
Speaker 1: some morons might like it. Just back to Thomas Massey
Speaker 1: real quick. You like, watch yesterday A need of this
Speaker 1: stuff with like Pam Bondy, and then you see these
Speaker 1: MAGA accounts praising or stuff. It's like, this is not
Speaker 1: a left or right issue. It's like people are like
Speaker 1: messing with our children. That is not a democratic republican issue.
Speaker 1: If you're supporting this, fuck you fuck anyone that's supporting
Speaker 1: these scumbag degenerate fucks that do this bullshit. You know,
Speaker 1: these MAGA accounts that want to be Yeah, look at
Speaker 1: that trader, Massy Pam BONDI schooled him. It's like, you
Speaker 1: guys are fucking morons. They're still withholding. You know, three
Speaker 1: and a half million files. We've already seen how discussing
Speaker 1: what they have released are in there, so you can
Speaker 1: only imagine what must be must be in their remaining
Speaker 1: files if they're still withholding. And we have people praising
Speaker 1: this on because making that are left and right issue?
Speaker 2: Are you there?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I can hear me still or no? Hello?
Speaker 2: Helps, Ye, I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 1: I think something out on your shoud Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: think it's just fucking I'm just pissed off people. Maybe
Speaker 1: this a left right issue. The same thing with this
Speaker 1: money thing. This isn't a left and right issue. It's
Speaker 1: them versus us. So is it democrat versus Republican. It's
Speaker 1: like way bigger than that.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is the thing. So what I've been
Speaker 2: trying to educate people on is technocracy. People don't know
Speaker 2: what technocracy is, but I want to explain this a
Speaker 2: little bit. Technocracy is a movement that actually started in
Speaker 2: the nineteen thirties. It was like a formal organization. There's
Speaker 2: this thing called Technocracy, Inc. And they'd all get together,
Speaker 2: they'd wear gray suits, and I mean, you know, it
Speaker 2: looked kind of weird, even to the point where GM
Speaker 2: made a technocracy gray because they would all drive cars
Speaker 2: with the same color. But this ideological movement basically said this,
Speaker 2: the average person is too stupid to make decisions in
Speaker 2: their own life. We need to have scientists and engineers
Speaker 2: make decisions for people, and we need to change the
Speaker 2: economy from being a system based on price and supply
Speaker 2: and demand to being a system based on energy credits.
Speaker 2: Literally was an idea that started in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 2: It gained some momentum, they had some internal division, but
Speaker 2: it was picked back up again in nineteen seventy three
Speaker 2: by David Rockefeller and this guy Brazinski when they started
Speaker 2: a group called the Trilateral Commission and the Trilateral Commission.
Speaker 2: Their whole thing was to kind of reignite this technocracy movement,
Speaker 2: and for the last fifty years they have been doing this.
Speaker 2: They actually architected the UNS it's called the New International
Speaker 2: Economic Order. But if you look at what the UN does,
Speaker 2: they have this UN Agenda twenty thirty. They have these
Speaker 2: seventeen sustainable development goals. It's basically a plan to regulate everything,
Speaker 2: the land, the air, the sea. This is where like
Speaker 2: the pronoun stuff comes from. All of this stems from technocracy,
Speaker 2: and so I view what's going on right now with
Speaker 2: these digital currencies. And even by the way, you know,
Speaker 2: I mentioned nobody knows about this. I've been one of
Speaker 2: the few people talking about the Genius Act and the
Speaker 2: Clarity Act and all these tokenization things. But real ID.
Speaker 2: So people will sit there and look at the UK
Speaker 2: and say, Wow, I'm glad We're not like the UK.
Speaker 2: They're trying to push a digital ID. Yeah, we have
Speaker 2: real ID it. For twenty years people were pushing back
Speaker 2: on real ID, and then Trump gets in and within
Speaker 2: a twelve days now we fold it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't believe people just stop caring's question back
Speaker 1: to the technocrasts or whatever real quick. I believe two things. One,
Speaker 1: Epstein there's an email saying he worked for the Triladdle Commission,
Speaker 1: however you say it. And then I believe Elon Musk's
Speaker 1: father or grandfather was part of this organization. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure right up in Canada. He's a technocrat, so he
Speaker 1: was part of this. And then he got in trouble
Speaker 1: and had to move out to South Africa. MS grandfather, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he pushed Elon Musk, you're going sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Elon musk grandfather was the head of the Canadian
Speaker 2: Technocracy Party. Elon Musk is a technocrat. People have a
Speaker 2: People get angry with me when I talk about this.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk did not come in to save free speech.
Speaker 2: He's actually he tweets all of the time about technocracy.
Speaker 2: He has stated he believes in energy credits. He has
Speaker 2: stated that money will go away and be replaced by energy.
Speaker 2: He setties for he calls it universal high income, but
Speaker 2: it's basically universal basic income. The idea here is they
Speaker 2: will strip us of all of our assets. They will
Speaker 2: give us a social credit system, and then they'll give
Speaker 2: us an allowance and if we don't follow their rules,
Speaker 2: that will determine what services will.
Speaker 1: We get paid cut off? If you're allowed medical, if
Speaker 1: you can drive this week, if you can eat.
Speaker 2: That. And this is what's happening behind the scenes. So
Speaker 2: another thing that happened. People are like, Doge is great,
Speaker 2: They're going to you know, cut costs and do all
Speaker 2: this other stuff. What Doge did was connected palenteer to
Speaker 2: all of these federal government databases. So now they're taking
Speaker 2: all of our tax information, they're taking all of the
Speaker 2: other information from the DHS database and everything else, and
Speaker 2: then that's going to be tied to our real ID.
Speaker 2: And so this has even got taken some libertarians off
Speaker 2: track because it's being presented as we're going to reduce
Speaker 2: the size of government because we're getting rid of these employees,
Speaker 2: but instead they're replacing it with AI. And I will
Speaker 2: tell you something. I you know, people get angry with this.
Speaker 2: I think Americans might be some of the most brainwashed
Speaker 2: people on the planet in terms of what we think
Speaker 2: we are in terms of our freedom versus the freedoms
Speaker 2: that we actually have. The only thing. Two categories that
Speaker 2: we rank in the top in the world in are
Speaker 2: defense spending and incarceration rate.
Speaker 1: Wow, Like, we don't even.
Speaker 2: Lead in innovation. We don't lead in it. We certainly
Speaker 2: don't lead in free speech. We're not even in the
Speaker 2: top twenty in free speech. We have this view of
Speaker 2: ourselves that has been propagandized, and so so people will
Speaker 2: talk about we don't want to become like communists China,
Speaker 2: because in China, in certain cases like on a province
Speaker 2: by province basis or town by town basis. They actually
Speaker 2: they've implemented social credit scores and there are like twenty
Speaker 2: three million people in China that are at like the
Speaker 2: lowest level of the social credit system. And when you're
Speaker 2: at that lower level, it determines what healthcare options you have,
Speaker 2: where you can live, the speed of your internet access.
Speaker 2: Like this is real, this already exists, and so people like,
Speaker 2: oh man, we don't want to have a system like this.
Speaker 2: You know, we're the land of the free. Let me
Speaker 2: tell you something about our tax code. Our tax code
Speaker 2: is seventy five thousand pages. It's sixteen million words. What
Speaker 2: is the tax code? The tax code is a set
Speaker 2: of penalties and rewards set by the government and if
Speaker 2: you and if you don't follow the rules, they'll throw
Speaker 2: you in prison. How is the only difference between our
Speaker 2: tax code as a social credit system and what China
Speaker 2: has is they have an app and at least people
Speaker 2: know what the rules are. We have a system here
Speaker 2: that's too complex for anyone to even be able to follow. So,
Speaker 2: you know, imagine you bring in pallenteer AI and everything else,
Speaker 2: and now you have AI managing the sixteen million word
Speaker 2: tax code. Is that better or worse?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Probably worse. They're to take people they don't like
Speaker 1: and go through and just look for one little mistake
Speaker 1: or one little hole and then up throw you in jail.
Speaker 1: His credit score is now and someone with people that I
Speaker 1: presume a low credit score, you know, Ben stripped on Twitter,
Speaker 1: I get, we get videos removed on YouTube, demonetized everywhere.
Speaker 1: I assume that means I have a low credit score
Speaker 1: with a system.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And actually the UK when this guy Nigel Farage
Speaker 2: was was debanked, one of the things that he uncovered
Speaker 2: is that the banks in the UK were actually analyzing
Speaker 2: social media posts and we're using social media posts for
Speaker 2: a scoring system to determine whether you were banked or not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this debanking this big. That's the whole point of bitcoin.
Speaker 1: Could solve that problem to or bitcoin or some kind
Speaker 1: of crypto. I'm not stuck on any crypto. I'm not
Speaker 1: like anti bitcoin if it could be fixed, but it's like,
Speaker 1: we need something where they can't just shut our bank
Speaker 1: accounts out. That's like a big deal. I know, so
Speaker 1: are people that have had their bank account shut down
Speaker 1: and it's like and then then what do you do.
Speaker 1: They send your money and you can't put it into
Speaker 1: a bank.
Speaker 2: Exactly, then you can't get another bank account, and and
Speaker 2: the whole system again these rules the Bank Secrecy Act,
Speaker 2: you know they they the suspicious Activity reports. There are
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of people that get flagged because they
Speaker 2: did transactions and then they end up on a list
Speaker 2: and they can't get a new bank account even though
Speaker 2: they were never determined to have done anything wrong. This
Speaker 2: is the existing system today. The whole point people early
Speaker 2: on with bitcoin was saying you could be your own bank,
Speaker 2: and this was a big part of the whole idea.
Speaker 2: So some people like the wf U N people were like, well,
Speaker 2: we want to un you know, we want to bank
Speaker 2: the unbanked. And then on the bitcoin movement was like, well,
Speaker 2: hey everybody should be unbanked. You've got you've got this whole.
Speaker 1: Firse get rid of the bank.
Speaker 2: Now now you actually have this Genius Act where it's
Speaker 2: going to be, you know, banks are going to be
Speaker 2: able to custody cryptocurrency. Now the government's involved, and now
Speaker 2: you have black Rock.
Speaker 1: This is we lost Genius Act kind of like the
Speaker 1: Patriot their genius is dealing our money.
Speaker 2: Afford affordable care as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, these names are these things? Is the act opposite? No,
Speaker 1: this is all extremely concerning.
Speaker 2: It's extremely concerning. And the thing about it, that's so
Speaker 2: you asked if you know if I would debate The
Speaker 2: things that I want to debate about or to talk
Speaker 2: about are the threat of technocracy and what we're going
Speaker 2: to do to stop this. If bitcoin, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it becomes private or whatever. I'm for people using something
Speaker 2: that gives them their power back and the ability to
Speaker 2: engage in voluntary commerce all over the world. If bitcoin
Speaker 2: can do that, I'll be happy about it. But what
Speaker 2: the reason I'm sounding the alarm on, yes, is that
Speaker 2: people don't understand that bitcoin isn't that bitcoin is the
Speaker 2: opposite of that. Bitcoin is now about surveillance. Bitcoin can't
Speaker 2: be used for this purpose.
Speaker 1: You don't think anybody to fix it in your opinion,
Speaker 1: I think it's like beyond that or because people are well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to fit people. They're so dug in,
Speaker 1: you know, as I telling a Christian or Muslim is
Speaker 1: not real. It's like the people look at like a religion.
Speaker 1: So is there a solution or you really think there's not.
Speaker 2: It would based on how the social structure around bitcoin works,
Speaker 2: in terms of how the developers work and the miners
Speaker 2: in the community. It's a huge barrier to cross. But
Speaker 2: if it could happen, I'm all for it.
Speaker 1: With enough people step forwards because that ideally, saving bitcoin
Speaker 1: is the best solution. If that's not a solution, then
Speaker 1: you have to look forwards. But it's going to be
Speaker 1: hard to convince people of this. I'm sure you would agree, right,
Speaker 1: So if it's possible, well, it'd be nice to try
Speaker 1: to fix it. I don't know if it is possible.
Speaker 1: I don't understand enough.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's not possible. Where it's so it's
Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction. So there was this thing
Speaker 2: called Lightning network that was created. So the idea was, well,
Speaker 2: bitcoin is slow, but then you can use this thing
Speaker 2: called Lightning network where you can connect through a whole
Speaker 2: network of people and I can move money to you
Speaker 2: through my friend or whatever. And it turns out that
Speaker 2: ends up being really centralized. And so the big companies
Speaker 2: now that are doing this. You'll find this guy, Jack Mallers.
Speaker 2: He's on financial press all the time. He's in this
Speaker 2: big closet with no clothes in it. He's wearing a
Speaker 2: baseball cap and he's talking about how great Lightning network is. Well,
Speaker 2: then I went and looked at the terms of service
Speaker 2: for his thing. It's all know your customer. He tracks
Speaker 2: all of the transactions on the Lightning network. El Salvador
Speaker 2: made bitcoin legal tender, and then they gave all of
Speaker 2: the citizens this thing called Achievo wallet. Well, it turns
Speaker 2: out it was on Lightning network, the transactions could be tracked,
Speaker 2: and then the wallet got hacked and all of the
Speaker 2: citizens of El Salvador were docked. So this is so
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm looking at this from the standpoint that's
Speaker 2: not a solution. But more importantly, this is urgent, Like
Speaker 2: this is we're in a worse situation than we were
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight. Yeah, a whole bunch of bankers,
Speaker 2: you know, gambled on that mortgage market and then they
Speaker 2: got bailed out. We're in a situation right now where
Speaker 2: we've gone through COVID. These people are willing to force
Speaker 2: medication on you, they're willing to shut down your business,
Speaker 2: they're willing to force you to wear masks. And now
Speaker 2: we're going to give them digital currency that they can
Speaker 2: program and control. This is actually, this is an existential threat.
Speaker 2: I actually say that technocracy is about free will itself.
Speaker 2: The situation that we have now is technocracy versus freedom.
Speaker 2: And if they implement these systems, with these social credit systems,
Speaker 2: we lose our ability to make our own decisions in
Speaker 2: our life. And so that to me is fundamentally about
Speaker 2: free will. So it's not red or blue, it's not
Speaker 2: the US versus China. It's this global technocracy and right
Speaker 2: now it is moving with zero resistance. It's being cheered
Speaker 2: on primarily out of ignorance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they used ice to push palenteer and people are
Speaker 1: cheering it on, Like yeah, I go, it's like you
Speaker 1: really it's going to be used against us. People aren't
Speaker 1: unable to like step back and look at the big
Speaker 1: picture one hundred percent agree with everything you're saying, Like
Speaker 1: I don't don't really understand. I understand the bitcoin aspect
Speaker 1: of it well, but I could see how that's a
Speaker 1: big net and they're just closing it in quicker and quicker,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we have very long. Like they say,
Speaker 1: there's a two thousand and thirty agenda it's almost like
Speaker 1: they're trying to have it complete complete by then.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's accelerated under Trump because they're putting
Speaker 2: things in place of think about what's going on with
Speaker 2: digital ID right So now the real ID is expected
Speaker 2: to be fully digital in all fifty states by twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven. There's actually a big global movement. Now there
Speaker 2: are seventeen countries at the end of last year that
Speaker 2: announced they're going to be rolling out digital ID. I'm
Speaker 2: in Mexico right now. Mexico is rolling out right now
Speaker 2: a digital ID tied to a QR code that the
Speaker 2: employers have to enforce. And so this is happening all
Speaker 2: over the world. Once they have the digital ID thing,
Speaker 2: and then now all of a sudden they can control
Speaker 2: your access to the internet. Then you're going to tie
Speaker 2: your digital ID to your money, which they're doing in Thailand.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Thailand. Now you need a digital ID to
Speaker 2: access to the banking services in Thailand, and they've even
Speaker 2: figured out a way to do this where you know,
Speaker 2: they can also control your simcard on your phone, so
Speaker 2: they actually know you can't have a SIM card that's
Speaker 2: outside of the system and outside of the identification framework.
Speaker 2: They have. This has already happened. So for three years
Speaker 2: I've been warning people about technocracy and now I'm like, damn,
Speaker 2: they're actually putting this infrastructure in place, and people are
Speaker 2: sitting around arguing about, you know, block size wars for
Speaker 2: bitcoin from twenty seventeen. That's not the argument.
Speaker 1: I think people don't even completely miss what the argument is.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. Maybe it's over a debate. We
Speaker 1: bring a few people on that are big bitcoin, have
Speaker 1: discussions of how to fix this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have discussion on how to fix it.
Speaker 1: Obviously go into the power coins in that or is
Speaker 1: there a way to fix bitcoin exactly?
Speaker 2: How are we going to stop the surveillance state, how
Speaker 2: are we going to stop digital IDs? How are we
Speaker 2: going to make it so that you know, Bitcoin isn't
Speaker 2: completely tracked? And look, I will tell you a lot
Speaker 2: of these people just don't know this. And part of
Speaker 2: this is frankly, the people that we're talking about the
Speaker 2: other side of this that we're trying to warn people
Speaker 2: about the fact that bitcoin had been hijacked. They have
Speaker 2: been suppressed, people have been targeted by the government. You're
Speaker 2: we have developers. By the way, let me add.
Speaker 1: Rajavie has a gag order. I hit up trying to
Speaker 1: interview him. He as a gag order.
Speaker 2: So yeah, Roger vere is minders dating from reading the
Speaker 2: public documents that you know he can't speak for basically
Speaker 2: three years. It's like if he does anything more than
Speaker 2: a traffic ticket, then it nullifies his deal. I told
Speaker 2: you about my friend Ian Freeman. I do want to
Speaker 2: plug him. Is it freeeannow dot org. He's in federal
Speaker 2: prison for eight years for selling bitcoin license. But here's
Speaker 2: the thing, it doesn't stop there. When you talk about
Speaker 2: bitcoin as a potential solution, privacy is key. There are
Speaker 2: developers that have worked on tools to make bitcoin private,
Speaker 2: things called mixing service where you basically mix a bunch
Speaker 2: of bitcoin transactions together and so that you can't figure
Speaker 2: out who sent what. Well, there are two developers from
Speaker 2: Samurai wallet Keone Rodriguez and William Hill that are now
Speaker 2: in federal prison. Rodriguez actually just turned himself in to
Speaker 2: prison in November of last year.
Speaker 1: This is happening under Trump making these things. They're being targeted, so.
Speaker 2: They've been targeted. These are open source developers that wrote
Speaker 2: code that protects our Fourth Amendment right right, they did
Speaker 2: nothing wrong. And by the way, there's a similarity here
Speaker 2: in a lot of these different cases, which is these
Speaker 2: people that went about doing this actually consulted lawyers before
Speaker 2: doing it. So these are people that are in prison
Speaker 2: thinking they were doing the right thing, even trying to
Speaker 2: actually check the boxes and do the right thing, and
Speaker 2: they're still in the work.
Speaker 1: The charge what are they charging with? That on some
Speaker 1: made up weird they.
Speaker 2: They usually charge you with operating, you know, operating without
Speaker 2: a money transmitter license. There are all these you know,
Speaker 2: the thing is makeup laws.
Speaker 1: Find me a man, I'll show you a crime. Isn't
Speaker 1: that stall in sane? I remember who said that? That's
Speaker 1: an old saying.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely a statement. And so there are two things
Speaker 2: that the government can do. They can they can charge
Speaker 2: you with conspira to do something, you know, which is
Speaker 2: that if you're not even you know, you didn't even
Speaker 2: necessarily do it, but you're around at the time, that's
Speaker 2: like a catch all. And then they can charge it
Speaker 2: with things related to interstate commerce. And so these are
Speaker 2: like catch alls for when they want to nail somebody
Speaker 2: that you know, didn't do anything wrong, but usually it's
Speaker 2: around And then they'll try to accuse the it's either
Speaker 2: operating without a money transmitter license, or money laundering or terrorism.
Speaker 2: But the thing with this is, and you know, is
Speaker 2: a contrast. So Ian Freeman's in federal prison for eight years.
Speaker 2: There are banks I can't remember if it was Jakovi
Speaker 2: or Wells Fargo that was found to have laundered hundreds
Speaker 2: of billions of dollars of drug money for cartels. They
Speaker 2: paid a fine, no one went to jail. People ended
Speaker 2: up getting promoted over this. And so this is this
Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say to people, is the
Speaker 2: war on crypto is happening right now. And so even
Speaker 2: if you're a bitcoin maxie, understand you're not going to
Speaker 2: benefit from the Clarity Act. The Clarity Act is designed
Speaker 2: to regulate crypto. But here's what's in it. All of
Speaker 2: your transactions will be tracked, if you're going through exchanges
Speaker 2: in these third parties, will be tracked in real time
Speaker 2: with complete transaction histories. Records will be have to be
Speaker 2: retained for five years, and they share this information with
Speaker 2: not only federal government departments, but with foreign central banks.
Speaker 2: So this regulation is not about pride to rules of
Speaker 2: the road that make it easier for crypto or that
Speaker 2: enhance our freedom. It's adding massive, massive amounts of surveillance.
Speaker 2: And for the people out there that think that the
Speaker 2: surveillance works, it doesn't. The bank secrecy. I have a
Speaker 2: massive article coming out in the Brownstone Institute. It's like
Speaker 2: twelve thousand words, and I only talk about these bills,
Speaker 2: but I talk about the history of financial regulation in
Speaker 2: the United States. You have to understand before nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: there was none of this. There was no tracking. And
Speaker 2: when did we decide that we don't have privacy as
Speaker 2: a right. The whole point of the Constitution was to
Speaker 2: limit what the federal government can do explicitly, we get
Speaker 2: all of the other rights. Now we're sitting here saying
Speaker 2: we're going to cheer on adding real time monitoring of
Speaker 2: all of the transactions of all of our assets and
Speaker 2: give that information to foreign central banks. Have we lost
Speaker 2: our complete framework on this.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes we have. And for the people that don't
Speaker 1: fear the government, which there's probably not very many listening
Speaker 1: to my show, think about you go through a divorce,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, your wife can look through
Speaker 1: all your transactions, track all your money. Do you want
Speaker 1: anyone else be on track your money. It's just like
Speaker 1: I don't want even build track all my money. The government,
Speaker 1: like I spee. Only one tracking my money and then
Speaker 1: what I spend it on what I buy.
Speaker 2: Well, there's another aspect of this that affects bitcoin as well.
Speaker 2: They're what are called rench attacks. So it's not just
Speaker 2: governments tracking your transactions. There are other call them other
Speaker 2: criminals besides the government that if you can identify somebody's transactions.
Speaker 2: I actually was researching this. He's a private investigator. You
Speaker 2: can spend like ten grand a year for a license
Speaker 2: and this gives you access to this database where you
Speaker 2: can track all of this information. So if you find out, hey,
Speaker 2: this rich guy's here, and there are numerous cases of
Speaker 2: people being abducted, there are kids being kidnapped and they're
Speaker 2: and they're held ransom because because the information is on
Speaker 2: a public blockchain. So privacy is absolutely critical. It is
Speaker 2: fundamental to fighting government tyranny. It's fundamental to fighting technocracy,
Speaker 2: but it's also fighting it's fundamental to fighting just run
Speaker 2: of the mill, everyday criminals that might try to steal
Speaker 2: the crypto currenty.
Speaker 1: No, exactly. That's a big problem too. The privacy a
Speaker 1: little off track, which is back to the you know,
Speaker 1: the Epstein files, all the things coming out of there.
Speaker 1: Clearly bankers are enemy. Something I found really interesting the
Speaker 1: old crazy conspiracy theory, you know, the roths Child's running everything.
Speaker 1: You see Efting saying I work for the roths Childs.
Speaker 1: What do you make of all that? To me, that
Speaker 1: was kind of like I found a little interesting. I
Speaker 1: thought it was a kind of a dead banking dynasty.
Speaker 1: But then you see him saying I work for the Rothschilds.
Speaker 2: So so did I that That's one of those areas
Speaker 2: that I never even heard thought because once you say
Speaker 2: ross Child's like all of this guy's you know whatever,
Speaker 2: this is a it is what it is. And then
Speaker 2: when I saw that, I'm like, oh, oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I even went to, well how far does this go?
Speaker 2: Because there are a couple of documents in the car.
Speaker 2: I think he got paid twenty five million dollars for
Speaker 2: helping on a tax issue and then forty five million
Speaker 2: dollars for something else. But the way that Epstein reached
Speaker 2: out to Peter Teele was he said, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: as you know, I manage money for the Ross Childs
Speaker 2: and there's a one hundred and sixty there's one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty billion dollars worth of assets looking to be
Speaker 2: invested in technology, and I'm like, wow, okay, so we
Speaker 2: need to dig into this, and I will tell you.
Speaker 2: I've created this website, it's a little rough right now,
Speaker 2: called technocracy atlist dot com. But what I've done is
Speaker 2: I've taken all of the Epstein files, all of the images,
Speaker 2: all the emails, all of that stuff. But that's it
Speaker 2: didn't even start out with that. It started out with,
Speaker 2: you know, all this other information from Mike Patrick Wood
Speaker 2: on Technocracy and the Brownstone Institute. But I took all
Speaker 2: of these offshore leaks, the Pandora papers, the Panama papers,
Speaker 2: and everything else. I don't know if you recall that.
Speaker 1: I know the names, I don't details behind if I
Speaker 1: remember hearing about those cases being big scandals, but I don't, like,
Speaker 1: I can't give you in depth knowledge of them.
Speaker 2: So basically what happened is they somebody you know, found
Speaker 2: these legal accounting firms entire database of transactions for all
Speaker 2: of these like limited partnerships and offshore entities. So there's
Speaker 2: like thirteen and a half million transactions and entities in there.
Speaker 2: That is this private offshore banking stuff. This is how
Speaker 2: money actually flows. So all of that data was released
Speaker 2: to the public. So I've taken that data put into
Speaker 2: the system, and the next thing that I'm going to
Speaker 2: do is I'm going to map the Epstein files to
Speaker 2: these thirteen and a half million offshore files. That's where
Speaker 2: you can really track money. And I'm telling you, this
Speaker 2: is where we're going to be able to really for
Speaker 2: everybody always says follow the money, but they've set up
Speaker 2: structures where you can't follow the money, right, this guy's
Speaker 2: got this thing and that you know, Bahamas, this guys
Speaker 2: over here, and then it's real complicated structure. Well, between
Speaker 2: the leak of that data and AI, we're going to
Speaker 2: be able to determine how the world actually works. And
Speaker 2: I think that is going to change people's entire perspective
Speaker 2: of how the world operates. And so I don't know
Speaker 2: what the outcome is going to be yet, but I'm
Speaker 2: dedicated to kind of trying to find the truth by
Speaker 2: putting all this information out there, analyzing it, and then
Speaker 2: crowdsourcing it because so many people have these small bits
Speaker 2: of information about these transactions and you know, specific domain
Speaker 2: expertise for people to be able to all contribute together.
Speaker 1: That's a basing.
Speaker 2: My theory, and this is that, you know, it's probably
Speaker 2: like five hundred or one thousand people that are pulling
Speaker 2: all the strings. They try to make it like we
Speaker 2: should all be divided fifty to fifty. In reality, if
Speaker 2: we can unravel this stuff, we'll be able to find
Speaker 2: the five hundred to one thousand people that are that
Speaker 2: are really running this show.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent agree to your theory. I think there's
Speaker 1: a small group of people that are manipulating things, pulling strings,
Speaker 1: and we're kind of seeing this actually proven to be true.
Speaker 1: The Epstein Files does show it. He's clearly not the boss.
Speaker 1: He's high up, you know, he's a fixer, he's connected
Speaker 1: of all these people. But it's showing like an international
Speaker 1: criminal cartel is running the world. That's directly showing this
Speaker 1: in the banking cartel is meeting with the Rothschilds. He
Speaker 1: works for the Rothschilds. His own words, you know, like
Speaker 1: these these things that they say you're crazy. There's also
Speaker 1: some dark shit in there, things like when they kill babies.
Speaker 1: There there's no smoking gun but they're saying that type
Speaker 1: of stuff in their own words, do they I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there's some dark stuff on there, Like this morning,
Speaker 1: I got stuck on the Fteine files. You know, put
Speaker 1: you start going down these rabbit holes, I think you
Speaker 1: probably go down there too. So much redacted stuff, so
Speaker 1: it's hard to know so much redacted still, but even
Speaker 1: like Wayfair I put in, for example, that crazy conspiracy
Speaker 1: that was a few years ago, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: nine resorts. So I'm like, okay, start looking it up.
Speaker 1: It's all it's all like just mostly all mostly all
Speaker 1: just cells of Wayfair furniture. I look it up. It's
Speaker 1: a cheap furniture company. And then eptein himself is like
Speaker 1: sending Woody Owen. I didn't get to look through them
Speaker 1: all sending people, Oh I sent you a gift, and
Speaker 1: he's personally concerned, Hey, when's my item? I get here?
Speaker 1: So Epstein love loves cheap furniture. I'm not saying, I mean,
Speaker 1: who knows. I'm not going to reach up and say
Speaker 1: there is something there but should be looked into. Do
Speaker 1: you know anything billionaires that like love cheap furniture and
Speaker 1: buy their friends cheap furniture. I don't well.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've got the image of from Epstein's
Speaker 2: I have something like twenty thousand pictures on this Technocracy
Speaker 2: Atlas website. I haven't seen any wayfair furniture in there.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not wayfair furniture. But I will say this.
Speaker 2: You know, I used to advise Ben Swan way back
Speaker 2: in the day. He had this thing called truth and Media.
Speaker 2: He's the one who broke and he was destroyed for it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: his professional reputation was absolutely shattered, and I can only
Speaker 2: imagine he was probably sued. Like he went dark for
Speaker 2: a really long time. And the stuff that he was
Speaker 2: saying and he was reporting on is in these Epstein files.
Speaker 2: It's you know, all of the like pizza and jery
Speaker 2: and all of this code work. I mean even the
Speaker 2: FBI has a list this is the coded language for pedophile.
Speaker 2: Why is all of this stuff in the Epstein files.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the slicing open pizza, you know with the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister Israel, Like, oh, I really had a lot of
Speaker 1: fun sliping slicing open pizza with you last night. This
Speaker 1: is disgusting and it's it goes beyond what we want
Speaker 1: to imagine to be true and like, but they're straight
Speaker 1: up saying so I'm like, hey, did you enjoy the
Speaker 1: torture video. It's like there comes a point where we
Speaker 1: have to be like, hey, maybe this is a little
Speaker 1: bit beyond what we want to imagine. It could be.
Speaker 2: Well, it isn't the one I saw today that Steve
Speaker 2: something about a bunch of sulphuric acid or something. Yes, uh,
Speaker 2: Bannon left an apartment and I guess the whirlpool or
Speaker 2: hot tub or something like, what the hell is that
Speaker 2: all about?
Speaker 1: It's so bizarre, right, It's just all so bizarre. It's
Speaker 1: like we're having I mean, I don't want to jump
Speaker 1: to conclusions and having a hardhead processing it. But it's
Speaker 1: looking like some of the worst most evil stuff imaginable,
Speaker 1: and the crazy conspiracy theories and theorists were right about
Speaker 1: a lot of it. Even if they're right about half
Speaker 1: of it or a third of it, it's still absolutely
Speaker 1: disgusting and dark. Steve Bannon's a name I keep seeing
Speaker 1: pop up a lot. Is I don't quite eat. He's
Speaker 1: try to pretend like he's on the right side, but
Speaker 1: it's looking like he's tight led with all these same characters, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to spend a lot of time investigating
Speaker 2: him further. So he has branded himself as this populist
Speaker 2: and that he's for the people, and that he's like this,
Speaker 2: you know, genius architect behind Trump for engineering the whole
Speaker 2: MAGA movement. Now I have a theory, and I want
Speaker 2: to state that it is a theory. But I'm trying
Speaker 2: to track this down because I think he's actually one
Speaker 2: of the main people behind QAnon. Yeah, that's a great
Speaker 2: because the timing actually fits. And when you see in
Speaker 2: his correspondence with Epstein, it's clear he's just pulling the
Speaker 2: rug over people. The populism thing is just a a
Speaker 2: front for his strategy to gain more power. So they
Speaker 2: were even going to come up with a cryptocurrency. I
Speaker 2: believe they called it the uh deplore Ruble was one
Speaker 2: of the ideas that they had. They are all these
Speaker 2: like schemes in the in the email email thread back
Speaker 2: and forth. But Bannon, you know, took over brock Pierce's
Speaker 2: company that sold World World of Warcraft. I think Gold
Speaker 2: actually sold the actual the kind of digital assets. Steve,
Speaker 2: It's not clear, No, it's completely clear. He worked for
Speaker 2: Goldman Sachs. Steve Bannon is Goldman Sachs. So like he
Speaker 2: tries to make it out like he's the everyday guy.
Speaker 2: This is a guy that worked for Goldman Sachs and
Speaker 2: is advising Jeffrey Epstein. They were going to release a
Speaker 2: documentary about Jeffrey Epstein the day, like the day before
Speaker 2: he was arrested. I mean so, so I like, I
Speaker 2: want to we need to crowdsource the research on this,
Speaker 2: but I think that he a lot of the Magas stuff,
Speaker 2: look the QAnon stuff.
Speaker 1: Dry Trust the Plan and come on, trust the plan.
Speaker 1: The plan is we will be slaves.
Speaker 2: But you know what, there's this other thing that's tied
Speaker 2: into the Trust the Plan, and it's this this thing
Speaker 2: called the Nissara and Jasara, and it's this idea that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a debt jubilee. And there are
Speaker 2: people that have been pushing this since before nine to eleven,
Speaker 2: and so there are people that stopped paying their mortgages
Speaker 2: and stopped paying their bills because they kept on being
Speaker 2: told trust the plan. They're going to you know, they're
Speaker 2: going to retire all of your debt and then they're
Speaker 2: going to be these med beds that you sit in
Speaker 2: that they're going to cure all of your ills, so
Speaker 2: people stop getting medical treatment. I think all of this
Speaker 2: stuff is connected because it uses similar psychology in the timelines.
Speaker 2: So again I put this.
Speaker 1: As it is disapiory, but it's it's there's some credible
Speaker 1: It makes sense because there's a little bit of insight information.
Speaker 1: They're telling you what you want to hear. They want
Speaker 1: us to date it, not resisting. They want used to
Speaker 1: sit back, trust the plan, not do anything and let
Speaker 1: them take over.
Speaker 2: I mean, just to me, the thing about the trust
Speaker 2: the plan. I remember during COVID that there were people
Speaker 2: that were sitting around waiting for and cheering the idea
Speaker 2: that white hats in the military were going to declare
Speaker 2: martial law, arrest all the pedophiles, hold tribunals, and then
Speaker 2: like execute them on closed capturing TV. The word thing
Speaker 2: about this isn't that they believed it, it's that they
Speaker 2: were actually they were cheering for it. When you're cheering
Speaker 2: for martial law, like that's whatever was involved in creating
Speaker 2: the manipulation that got to that point is frightening.
Speaker 1: These people exactly there they'll cheer along. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: palent the same thing, and like people like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: Trump's just playing him. It's like, well, I just watched
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand kids get killed and in Gaza, and
Speaker 1: so im not really trust in that plan.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I mean, you know, one other quick thing on this,
Speaker 2: you know again Trump Trump trying to make this a
Speaker 2: whole populist thing. His new chair of the Federal Reserve,
Speaker 2: this guy Kevin Warsh, that he brought in. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you're familiar with his background. This guy going
Speaker 2: back full circle to all of this stuff with bitcoin
Speaker 2: and starting after the two thousand and eight collapse. The
Speaker 2: new chair of the Federal Reserve was one of the
Speaker 2: key architects of bailing out the banks in two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight. This guy Warsh actually was directly involved in
Speaker 2: letting Lehman Brothers fail. But then he was involved in
Speaker 2: the bailout of bear Stearns directly. He was working with
Speaker 2: Ben Bernanke, he was working with Tim Geitner directly. This
Speaker 2: guy's like one of the main guys. Then he worked
Speaker 2: directly on bailing out AIG. He's involved with this thing
Speaker 2: called the Group of thirty, which is a group of
Speaker 2: like you know, it's another one of these like builderbrick
Speaker 2: kind of things. But it's like central bankers, current and
Speaker 2: former central bankers from all over the world, and I
Speaker 2: you know, the economy is teetering. I mean, like despite
Speaker 2: Pam Bondie talking about the fifty thousand dollars excuse me,
Speaker 2: fifty fifty thousand doubt price, we are actually in a
Speaker 2: situation where, you know, foreclosures and carlan and credit card
Speaker 2: default like we're getting back to and in some cases
Speaker 2: worse than we were in two thousand and eight. I
Speaker 2: think that they know a crash is coming and so
Speaker 2: they brought in the person with that could come in
Speaker 2: and bail out the banks.
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah, that's crazy. And the bailout is just so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: These bankers they engineered. They knew they they were given
Speaker 1: out loans, they knew people weren't going to be able
Speaker 1: to pay, you know, the bloom payments, all this, they
Speaker 1: engineered it. They thought they was going to keep going
Speaker 1: to get their houses given back. But eventually it got
Speaker 1: two out of control where just the crash came and
Speaker 1: the houses weren't worth hardly anything. So what do they
Speaker 1: do Go to the government, Hey, we need to get
Speaker 1: bilt out on this. But the people that lost their
Speaker 1: homes that they didn't they didn't get built out. The
Speaker 1: government wasn't like, oh, you know you miscalculated, here will
Speaker 1: bail you out. No, and said it's to people that
Speaker 1: caused it that got built out.
Speaker 2: Well, not only that, it actually gets worse. So you
Speaker 2: would think whatever happened with the bailout, you know, you
Speaker 2: would hope that they put in protection so that it
Speaker 2: doesn't happen again. Well, it's actually something that's interesting that
Speaker 2: you should look into, called the Great Taking. They've actually
Speaker 2: changed the laws in all fifty states. So let's say
Speaker 2: we have another big financial collapse again, and let's say
Speaker 2: you're broker that you know, you have your four oh
Speaker 2: one K and ETFs through goes bankrupt. Well you might think, well, hey,
Speaker 2: those are my funds, right, so I'll I'll just get
Speaker 2: those funds back and I'll go to another broker. Well,
Speaker 2: it turns out they've changed the laws so that actually
Speaker 2: your broker's secured creditor gets paid before you do. So
Speaker 2: in other words, the largest four banks, if there's a
Speaker 2: big financial collapse, will end up with your stocks and
Speaker 2: bonds and your retirement portfolio.
Speaker 1: The toft of us, so it's our money and the
Speaker 1: banks will get paid our money instead of us.
Speaker 2: And it's happened to me.
Speaker 1: Are angry enough.
Speaker 2: It's happened legally. They've changed the uniform commercial code. It's
Speaker 2: called in all fifty states. So what I've been trying
Speaker 2: to warn people about is they've already done this contractionally.
Speaker 2: By the way, one thing that I like to say
Speaker 2: to people is we already own nothing. We just don't
Speaker 2: realize it. So the which person signs like two hundred
Speaker 2: of these clickwrap agreements every year, so you know, when
Speaker 2: you iTunes or Microsoft or even your bank, you can
Speaker 2: sign up for a bank account, everybody just scrolls to
Speaker 2: the end and clicks accept. Well. I did an analysis
Speaker 2: if you read these actual agreements, it would take the
Speaker 2: average person two hours a day, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five days a year to read the agreements just to
Speaker 2: even read these things. But when you do read them,
Speaker 2: and this is what AI is good for, We've already
Speaker 2: given away our privacy, we've given away our economic ownership,
Speaker 2: we've given away our you know are basically our rights
Speaker 2: to even contest anything that went wrong. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you how I've said, this is a doctor died of
Speaker 2: food poisoning after eating at a restaurant that was on
Speaker 2: a Disney property, and Disney tried to use his Disney
Speaker 2: Plus Online service agreement to get out of the liability. So,
Speaker 2: in other words, is what you got for The contracts
Speaker 2: are so broad that they were trying to get out
Speaker 2: of this, this liability. It's insane what we've given up.
Speaker 2: And so I've created this owned nothing dot Org site.
Speaker 2: It's a free site, but you can actually realize, hey,
Speaker 2: you don't own the money in your bank account. They
Speaker 2: can ancel the legally, I mean they can do what
Speaker 2: they can kind of do whatever they want with it
Speaker 2: and cancel your account. They can share your information. You
Speaker 2: don't own your stocks or bonds in this financial collapse.
Speaker 2: Do you even own your house? You pay more.
Speaker 1: If you pay your mortgage off, you still have taxes.
Speaker 1: If you don't say that you have to, they'll take
Speaker 1: it away.
Speaker 2: Yep. So we've been scammed. So the thing that I'm
Speaker 2: advocating for is exiting the system, starting with money, but
Speaker 2: exit the healthcare system, build parallel economies. This is what
Speaker 2: we have left. We're not gonna win within the system
Speaker 2: or voting but we can vote with our feet and
Speaker 2: we can vote with our own actions, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: take very many of us to do that. To stand up.
Speaker 2: There's a lack of courage, yes, but it doesn't take
Speaker 2: And by the way, the people that do have courage,
Speaker 2: you know, they get imprisoned. That's part of it as well.
Speaker 2: They wanted to they shut up people like Ian and
Speaker 2: people like Roger because they speak the truth. You speak
Speaker 2: uncomfortable truths. But we have to continue to.
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Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, shoot you shoot you, you shoot yourself. In
Speaker 2: the back of the.
Speaker 1: Head six times in the back of the head.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, you know another we're talking about this now,
Speaker 2: I'm like, all of a sudden, now they're saying Kurt
Speaker 2: Cobain was murdered.
Speaker 1: Dude, he was talking about some sex trafficking thing I
Speaker 1: saw yesterday. And then like, I haven't gone down that
Speaker 1: rabbitle by, so I'm talking about how girls were abused
Speaker 1: by high level people. And then you know, he blew
Speaker 1: his head off. I maybe blew his head off, but
Speaker 1: if I was a huge rock star, I went blow
Speaker 1: my head off. Life is pretty good when you're like famous.
Speaker 1: There's you know, obviously there's still gonna be downsides, but
Speaker 1: like it's harder to be depressed when you'ree the most
Speaker 1: famous men in the world.
Speaker 2: It is. And you know, actually, I had a person
Speaker 2: that I went to high school with who killed himself
Speaker 2: after that that was kind of you know, motivated by
Speaker 2: Kurt Cochin. And now you know, now we turn out
Speaker 2: that that might even be fake.
Speaker 1: And he was such a star at the time for
Speaker 1: the younger people might not know he was just like
Speaker 1: like an epic almost like a godlike figure of people
Speaker 1: like looked up to him. Admired him. He blew his
Speaker 1: head off for the shotgun. I think allegedly, yep, yeah, allegedly.
Speaker 1: And then it turns and you started looking into he
Speaker 1: realized that might have been a setup. How the people
Speaker 1: that can control of the banks also control over information.
Speaker 2: Yes, they do. And so anyway, I hope the Epstein
Speaker 2: thing again. I hope we can't let go of this.
Speaker 2: We've got to continue read we got and we got
Speaker 2: to hold people accountable. But not only hold people accountable,
Speaker 2: just stop using their money, right, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: how they manipulate us. I mean they manipulate people and
Speaker 2: to think, oh, what's your credit your credit score is
Speaker 2: how well you comply with with paying back a bank
Speaker 2: that printed money out of thin air? Like I actually like,
Speaker 2: why is that? That shouldn't be a badge of honor? No,
Speaker 2: it's like you're complying with these guys.
Speaker 1: I went to buy a house and I had like
Speaker 1: no credit score because I've never bought I didn't have
Speaker 1: never had a credit card, never had to bought my
Speaker 1: cars with cash. You don't have to buy the house
Speaker 1: with cash because I didn't have a credit card, couldn't
Speaker 1: get any credit because I thought it was a good thing.
Speaker 1: I never owed anything. Shouldn't I have good credit. I've
Speaker 1: never owed anything. I should have great credit, but instead
Speaker 1: I have bad credit. But they call us free people
Speaker 1: that don't pay their credit cards are right? They call
Speaker 1: all this freeloaders because you know, we messed the system
Speaker 1: up and realized that when you buy a car you
Speaker 1: want to negotiate it before because they find as soon
Speaker 1: as they find out you're buying with cash or disappointed.
Speaker 1: It's a bad thing to tell me buying with cash
Speaker 1: because they want that. They want that loan.
Speaker 2: They absolutely want that loan. The whole system. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think Henry Ford actually made the comment. He's like,
Speaker 2: if people understood how the financial system works, they'd be
Speaker 2: riding in the streets tomorrow. And I still believe that's true.
Speaker 2: People still don't know how it works. But I will
Speaker 2: tell you if you do learn how it works right now.
Speaker 2: If you think that's bad, wait until we have everything tokenized,
Speaker 2: Wait until we have tether with with Howard Lutnick, and
Speaker 2: this becomes the you know, the digital dollar. It's worse
Speaker 2: than anything even Henry Ford could have mattered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Henry Ford, such a great America and he assembly line,
Speaker 1: he created I think the forty hour work week. He
Speaker 1: doubled the pay all other companies had to match it.
Speaker 1: He was innovative. Then you know, he wrote these books
Speaker 1: that people weren't a big fan of. And he's obviously
Speaker 1: controversial figure. But if he look back at the stuff,
Speaker 1: a lot of us making sense. And you say, how
Speaker 1: though treat this is worse than you imagine. I mean,
Speaker 1: we could look at Gaza, they have them out our
Speaker 1: surveill and how they're being treated. I mean that might
Speaker 1: be how we get treated.
Speaker 2: Kaza is a technocratic state. I mean, this is this
Speaker 2: is exactly what they're what they're trying to do, and
Speaker 2: we know what the endgame is. The problem with this
Speaker 2: is it's not a conspiracy. It's spelled out. Technocracy is
Speaker 2: not a mythical concept that you can google it. There's there,
Speaker 2: they have handbooks, there's there are meeting minutes, there are
Speaker 2: meeting notes. Read that. In fact, they tell you what
Speaker 2: they're going to do. Read the un they're not They
Speaker 2: don't even hide it anything.
Speaker 1: You will own a thing and you'll eat happy and
Speaker 1: you'll eat z bugs.
Speaker 2: They tell you this, and they're going to do that
Speaker 2: through the tokenization of our assets, and that's how they're
Speaker 2: going to do it. And that's why this is an
Speaker 2: important issue. So it's not about bitcoin, it's about technocracy,
Speaker 2: and it's not even just about money. It's about the
Speaker 2: tokenization of everything that we own. That is, to me,
Speaker 2: the battleground for free will.
Speaker 1: What do you think is the first step for someone
Speaker 1: wanting to get out of the system, Because this is
Speaker 1: all so very complex.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first thing that I do. I've done workshops.
Speaker 2: I've actually my wife and I have gone to like
Speaker 2: twenty seven states and everything else, and I go through
Speaker 2: and I walk through, Hey, here's technocracy and everything else.
Speaker 2: And then then I'm like, hey, get you know, I
Speaker 2: would get people goldbacks and then teach people how to
Speaker 2: download a download a crypto wallet, download a Zano wallet,
Speaker 2: or download uh you know, uh Edge wallet or cake wallet,
Speaker 2: and get a privacy coin. And like I said, I like,
Speaker 2: you know, Zano and freedom Dollar, but start there, uh,
Speaker 2: get get one of those privacy coins, get a zebig
Speaker 2: debit card, and make a transaction, make your first transaction.
Speaker 2: Because it's like it's this big barrier. The problem that
Speaker 2: I've found is and this is why I said I
Speaker 2: don't like to even get involved in these, you know,
Speaker 2: internal crypto debates, because when I've done these workshops, I
Speaker 2: would ask people questions, and what I found when I
Speaker 2: would ask the questions is more people had heard of
Speaker 2: Sam Bankman Freed than Satoshi who created bitcoin. And most
Speaker 2: people don't know that bitcoin was ever used as a
Speaker 2: currency to buy things. Most people only think of it
Speaker 2: as a speculative asset. So the majority of the world
Speaker 2: out there is not they're not squabbling with these ideas,
Speaker 2: but they need to be made aware of the fact
Speaker 2: that that it's technocracy is the threat. And so downloading
Speaker 2: a crypto wallet, getting you know, a Zayo Freedom Dollar,
Speaker 2: and making your first transaction, what you'll realize is it's
Speaker 2: as easy to do that is it is to use
Speaker 2: the traditional banking system. It isn't this daunting task. There
Speaker 2: has been a lot of work done to make the
Speaker 2: wallets easier, to make the technology easier, and so you know,
Speaker 2: you'll realize it's it's a similar experience, or in some
Speaker 2: ways a better experience than what you're already dealing with
Speaker 2: with the bank. But you're not funding all of these wars,
Speaker 2: and you're not funding your own digital prison. So that's
Speaker 2: where I recommend that people start is with with money,
Speaker 2: and then you can move into other things. I actually
Speaker 2: recommend that people form a medical trust, cancel their insurance,
Speaker 2: and start looking at medical tourism. Yes, because one of
Speaker 2: the ways that we learned this during COVID. One of
Speaker 2: the strangleholds that they control us through the money, and
Speaker 2: then they control us through our perception of needing the
Speaker 2: healthcare system, which by the way, doesn't provide these great outcomes,
Speaker 2: but this is how they do it. And so if
Speaker 2: we can break out of that, then the people will
Speaker 2: realize that, yeah, I'm not really dependent on this system.
Speaker 2: I actually have control over my own life. I can
Speaker 2: choose which money to use, I can choose who I
Speaker 2: want to, you know, transact business with. I can take
Speaker 2: control of my of my own health. I mean, the
Speaker 2: health system itself is garbage. I mean, you know that's
Speaker 2: what health guidance else is garbage. But it takes a
Speaker 2: long time. They've they've done such a good job with
Speaker 2: the indoctrination of trust the science and these people with
Speaker 2: the white lab coats or these only doctors.
Speaker 1: Only doctors can read studies. You can't read it doctor.
Speaker 1: That's what woke me up during COVID. I've just tried
Speaker 1: for fighting. I was reading all these studies and I
Speaker 1: would say what I was saying, people like, shut up,
Speaker 1: you're not a doctor. I'm like, I'm just reading the study.
Speaker 1: Why I wouldn't you to be a doctor to crunch
Speaker 1: this information? This is what I'm seeing. What are you seeing?
Speaker 1: You're not a doctor? Shut up? Like they weren't even
Speaker 1: as asking kind of you're saying. They're not having the
Speaker 1: same conversation I was. You know, even my doctor friends
Speaker 1: I send it to, and I realized most of them
Speaker 1: weren't able to like process anything other than well Fauci
Speaker 1: says exactly.
Speaker 2: It's it was a it's a complete appeal to authority.
Speaker 2: And you're responsible for your own health, you're responsible for
Speaker 2: your own money, and that's empowering for a lot of people,
Speaker 2: it's frightening. And because of the way our schools work
Speaker 2: and everything else, people are conditioned to give up their
Speaker 2: free will. They're conditioned to believe in things outside of themselves.
Speaker 2: So my whole big thing is like this is again,
Speaker 2: it's about free will. We need to take back our
Speaker 2: free will. Money. Money is the most found is the
Speaker 2: foundational point of this, but healthcare in these other areas,
Speaker 2: and the other thing I would say about this is
Speaker 2: we've got to stop this white night stuff that the
Speaker 2: believing that heroes are going to come in. Like I'm
Speaker 2: still baffled about the fact that we went through Operation
Speaker 2: Warp Speed and seven and a half trillion dollars worth
Speaker 2: of debt and then somehow it a story was engineered
Speaker 2: where the guy that did that is leading the Avengers
Speaker 2: to save whatization this bath?
Speaker 1: Like me, how people could still be maggat anymore. You're
Speaker 1: trying to protect these sex criminals and the Jeff refteen
Speaker 1: files that he's clearly part of the system. He said,
Speaker 1: drain the swamp. I fell for it from Ante. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, you know. I wanted hero I wanted
Speaker 1: someone to believe in, but I realized he was the swamp.
Speaker 1: Once he closed the country down for COVID, I was like,
Speaker 1: screw this. He didn't close the country down, like, yes,
Speaker 1: he did. He pushed the closure of the country down.
Speaker 1: You can argue, yeah, the Democrats were saying he didn't
Speaker 1: close it long enough, but he still closed it. He
Speaker 1: still pushed Project Warp Speed it's like this guy is
Speaker 1: not going to save us.
Speaker 2: No, he's not gonna and but no one is. And
Speaker 2: so I think the key part of it is that
Speaker 2: we can be our own heroes. And and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean this has got way off topic, but you know,
Speaker 2: we could get into AI and a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other things, but like, figure out what you want to
Speaker 2: do with your life. What I the American situation right
Speaker 2: now is you have people working jobs they hate for
Speaker 2: insurance that doesn't actually help improve their health, to build
Speaker 2: retirement portfolios with stocks they don't own in companies that
Speaker 2: are building their digital prison. And that's literally this like
Speaker 2: the standard of American situation right now. And if people
Speaker 2: could just wake up and realize, you know what, I
Speaker 2: can choose to opt out of all of this, then
Speaker 2: we can shut all of this down. But that is
Speaker 2: the only way. It's through individual action and taking back
Speaker 2: your free will, not voting or any of these other
Speaker 2: you know, white Knights. Elon Musk isn't going to save you,
Speaker 2: Peter tal isn't going to save you. A lot of
Speaker 2: the people that are being shaped up as the next
Speaker 2: White Knights, these are worse than the people that failed us.
Speaker 2: You know currently or previously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they create heroes. Back to medical real quick. I
Speaker 1: have a strong opinion on this because I was a
Speaker 1: professional athlete for twenty years and you know, several times
Speaker 1: they go to the hospital or something, they would always
Speaker 1: recommend surgery, really push it. I always chose to rehab
Speaker 1: things by by myself, I'm extremely healthy, I have no
Speaker 1: long term injuries. I've seen so many fighters get injuries
Speaker 1: and ruin their get injury, go get a surgery, and
Speaker 1: ruin their career. Their knees never the same, the back's
Speaker 1: never the same. Now sometimes they are one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: and sometimes surgery probably is the answer. So I'm not
Speaker 1: an absolutist on this, but surgery should always be the
Speaker 1: last answer. I've seen so many people butchered by these surgeries,
Speaker 1: and that's just one example of the medical well. Even
Speaker 1: if you look at the official the official documents show
Speaker 1: that medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death
Speaker 1: in the United States after cancer and heartsease. Can't remember
Speaker 1: which order it goes, but it's like they're omitting to
Speaker 1: like hundreds of thousands of deaths by a little medical
Speaker 1: medical error.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and our ability are our bodies have the ability
Speaker 2: to self heal to a much larger extent than were
Speaker 2: given credit to. So this is again, this is another
Speaker 2: part of the you know so much of this. And
Speaker 2: I've struggled with my weight on and off my entire life,
Speaker 2: in part because my parents followed and I followed the
Speaker 2: USDA Food period. When I was growing up, I went
Speaker 2: through this situation where when I was overweighted as a
Speaker 2: kid and I went to nutritions, and nutritions said, you know,
Speaker 2: you should eat eight hundred calories a day and you
Speaker 2: should have no fat. So they actually they actually put
Speaker 2: a plan together that said that I should eat snack well, cookies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, morons, These nutritions are comp utter morons.
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's like it's a death cult. And
Speaker 2: so it's like, so then you finally walk through that
Speaker 2: and you find out all of that advice was completely
Speaker 2: in totally wrong, and then you actually have to start
Speaker 2: to begin to explore was this actually malicious.
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time fasting, and I mean
Speaker 2: I did a forty day fast, but I've done various
Speaker 2: you know, durations, and you start you start studying fasting
Speaker 2: and it's like, hey, your body starts regenerating new stem
Speaker 2: cells after seven days, your immune system reboots after three days. Well,
Speaker 2: there's no money in that, there's no pill, there's no surgery,
Speaker 2: there'sn't even food. So you know, so there are things
Speaker 2: out there. And again this is I'm not good. I'm
Speaker 2: not dispensing medical advice. But what I'm suggesting is that
Speaker 2: people should start learning on their own and trying to
Speaker 2: learn from first principles and trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: how their body works, how the world works. Because no
Speaker 2: one's coming to save us.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, I pretty much agree with all that
Speaker 1: the unfortunate reality. We don't want to admit it. We
Speaker 1: want to we want to say, hey, there's a hero
Speaker 1: coming to save us. So I understand the people, the
Speaker 1: Trump people, they need a hero in their life, like
Speaker 1: they need someone because things are tough. But he's not
Speaker 1: your hero. We're the only people that can save ourselves.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. It does get scary, though, when
Speaker 1: they're closing down the whole system on us and they're
Speaker 1: throwing guys in prison that are trying to create alternatives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we don't have a lot of time. This
Speaker 2: is why again back to I don't want to necessarily
Speaker 2: debate bitcoin. I'm like, what are we going to do
Speaker 2: about real id? What are we going to do about Palenteer?
Speaker 2: And by the way, you know that Maha has turned
Speaker 2: out to be fake also, I mean they're working on
Speaker 2: now wearables and they're bringing AI into Medicare and medicaid. Well,
Speaker 2: this is kind of where you get to rationing healthcare.
Speaker 2: We people like to talk about our national debt, but
Speaker 2: we have two hundred trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities and
Speaker 2: most of this is social security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Well,
Speaker 2: they're going to add AI, and now AI is going
Speaker 2: to be giving algorithms as to you know, to ration
Speaker 2: to ration care. So we need to exit all of
Speaker 2: these systems. We need to not be trapped by the
Speaker 2: healthcare system, by the financial system, by by any of it.
Speaker 2: And even you know food, if you know, I think
Speaker 2: food freedom.
Speaker 1: Food isn't it's huge. You know, the food is just
Speaker 1: poison they're giving us. And even you know, the factory
Speaker 1: farm meat and the eggs and stuff. It's just absolutely disgusting.
Speaker 1: You have these animals living in hell and you're putting
Speaker 1: on energy into your body. It's like, at least get
Speaker 1: like you know, it's more expensive, but get some ship
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, raised properly. It's like people putting
Speaker 1: poison their body and all these you look at the
Speaker 1: ingredients on these things, is this long list of things
Speaker 1: you have no id what the words even are. Don't
Speaker 1: eat that food?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, don't eat it. And then you actually have
Speaker 2: to check food food that used to not have those.
Speaker 2: They're adding stuff all of the time. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: I've even found Oh I was eating this, I thought
Speaker 2: this was you know, grass fed beef, and then it's like,
Speaker 2: why is there multidex or in it? It's just it's
Speaker 2: crazy what they're doing, and it changes over time, but
Speaker 2: it's scary. The food supply is controlled by a small
Speaker 2: number of players, the whole thing, and it's moving towards
Speaker 2: tokenization and more tracking. I actually did a whole podcast
Speaker 2: episode on this as well, Like farming now is a
Speaker 2: whole thing. John Deere tractors, you know, tied to the satellite.
Speaker 2: They're tracking all the information. Farmers don't actually own any
Speaker 2: of the equipment. They have massive amounts of debt.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is a aren't they not making that
Speaker 1: much money. Now the farmers aren't They struggling.
Speaker 2: Farmers are in credit, are struggling really badly, and actually
Speaker 2: the tariffs have crushed small farmers in particular.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're right, so you're seeing a big, massive farm.
Speaker 1: Maybe we could do another podcast and that in the future,
Speaker 1: because if you have in depth on that anything on
Speaker 1: bitcoin we want to close with, or any final let
Speaker 1: me you. I had a couple of notes real quick,
Speaker 1: there's any important parts we missed? We talk about Howard Lutnik.
Speaker 2: Well, I do. I do have one thing to say
Speaker 2: about bitcoin that that I didn't say, which is which
Speaker 2: is kind of important.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I believe people should be able to make their own
Speaker 2: decisions on what they buy. The problem is that the
Speaker 2: story with bitcoin is now getting moving into this area
Speaker 2: of force. And that one thing that I think is
Speaker 2: absolutely tragic was when this Senator Cynthia Loomis from Wyoming
Speaker 2: went to this bitcoin conference and announced, Hey, we're going
Speaker 2: to build a bitcoin strategic reserve. So she literally, with
Speaker 2: a straight face, said the US government is going to
Speaker 2: buy a trillion dollar We're going to buy a trillion
Speaker 2: dollars worth of bitcoin, and we're going to hold it
Speaker 2: for twenty years, and then that's how we're going to
Speaker 2: pay back the national debt. Now this now is turned
Speaker 2: into the realm of this isn't about whether I want
Speaker 2: bitcoin or not. I'm being forced through taxation to buy
Speaker 2: bitcoin through the government. But beyond that, not only do
Speaker 2: I not believe for a whole variety of reasons, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a great idea even as a store of value.
Speaker 2: Cynthia Loomis owns five hundred thousand dollars worth of bitcoin,
Speaker 2: So this would be the courting Nancy Pelosi holding a
Speaker 2: press conference and saying, oh, hey, you know I want
Speaker 2: here's a bill. The United States government is going to
Speaker 2: buy a trillion dollars of my investment portfolio and hold
Speaker 2: it for twenty years. That's actually how ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's not just Nancy Pelosi. I mean, she's rightfully called
Speaker 1: out for it because she's like one of the best
Speaker 1: stock trading records ever. But there's others doing the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, like you said, Howard Lutnik, maybe at a
Speaker 1: far larger and crazier level.
Speaker 2: I think Lutnick is the word. I think people need
Speaker 2: to do a full understanding of Lutnik and then also
Speaker 2: tether the entire history of tether, because my concern is
Speaker 2: this thing, this that started out as printing these digital
Speaker 2: tokens out of thin air that they couldn't prove we're backed.
Speaker 2: Now it's like too big to fail because you have
Speaker 2: a Trump crypto advisor is the CEO, you have Trump's
Speaker 2: US Commerce Secretary backing all of the treasuries for it,
Speaker 2: and they're going to be too embarrassed to admit, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't believe we just put all this
Speaker 2: money and all this effort behind, you know, a ponzi scape.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could just so they I'm sure I understand
Speaker 1: it's right. So they could just basically say they have bitcoin.
Speaker 1: They don't. Creating bitcoin adds because bosely, you can't make
Speaker 1: any more bitcoin. That's the entire purpose of why it
Speaker 1: holds values. But if they're saying they have bitcoin, they
Speaker 1: don't act we have.
Speaker 2: There's another problem with bitcoin that I do want to address,
Speaker 2: which is that one of the things that people say
Speaker 2: about bitcoin, why they're so excited about it, is that
Speaker 2: there will only be twenty one million bitcoin. There's a
Speaker 2: problem with this, which is that you know I mentioned before,
Speaker 2: so the way this works, you have these computers that
Speaker 2: solve these math problems every ten minutes, and then you know,
Speaker 2: the company or individual that solved the math puzzle gets
Speaker 2: this block reward, and every four years that block reward
Speaker 2: gets cut in half until eventually it goes to zero,
Speaker 2: and then that's when the twenty one million bitcoin will
Speaker 2: have been issued. Well, the whole point of the block
Speaker 2: reward was to be an initial incentive for miners to
Speaker 2: secure the network, but the whole business model for miners
Speaker 2: was supposed to be on transaction fees. So remember the
Speaker 2: idea before it was if you were doing twenty five
Speaker 2: thousand transactions per second and you're getting small fees on that,
Speaker 2: you can actually build a lucrative business on that. But
Speaker 2: because there are only seven transactions per second, there are
Speaker 2: very little in the way of actual transaction fees. So
Speaker 2: what that means is as the block rewards go away,
Speaker 2: there's nothing to sustain the miners. And there's already been
Speaker 2: proposals and discussions that have said, hey, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're going to have to raise the cap. We're going
Speaker 2: to have to go beyond twenty one million, We're going
Speaker 2: to have to continue issuing these rewards to minors so
Speaker 2: that we can secure the network. So one of the
Speaker 2: things that's happened with bitcoin is that a lot of
Speaker 2: the discussion has been about technical details, but they've fundamentally
Speaker 2: destroyed the economic model that makes bitcoin work. And that
Speaker 2: becomes more problematic as time goes on and as this
Speaker 2: halving of the block rewards continues. So that's a massive
Speaker 2: problem that has to be addressed.
Speaker 1: I have one more question something I've alwaysought a little
Speaker 1: supicious bigoint people get mabbing and mission this up. But
Speaker 1: considering they use the NSA hardware, I believe to create it,
Speaker 1: and Satoshi's this mysterious figure to be always thought there
Speaker 1: as a possibility it could have been some government thing
Speaker 1: from the beginning. Everyone says, I'm crazy for saying that,
Speaker 1: but what's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I think it's Listen, at this point, I think that
Speaker 2: that anything is possible. So I went through the I
Speaker 2: was all in bitcoin, and then I was all in
Speaker 2: all the flavors of bitcoin and everything else. And now
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm being honest about it, I have
Speaker 2: to say I don't know who it is. And the
Speaker 2: thing for me now, well, it's actually it's it's a
Speaker 2: humbling experience to as you go through it and it
Speaker 2: and I understand why it's tough for some maxis to
Speaker 2: go through this because you don't want to admit that
Speaker 2: this thing that you thought was one thing it's something else. Right,
Speaker 2: It's kind of like this is.
Speaker 1: Fact talking about they can't admit they were fool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you end up having to forgive yourself, right you had.
Speaker 2: That's actually a big that's a hard, actual challenge to
Speaker 2: go through. And so I think it's completely and I
Speaker 2: think that the challenge is is that bitcoin's not anonymous
Speaker 2: and it is all on a public ledger. So I
Speaker 2: think that's a that's a big flaw at this point.
Speaker 2: And and so that kind of tilts me to leading
Speaker 2: to believe maybe maybe this thing was kind of a
Speaker 2: backdoor surveillance system.
Speaker 1: The entire time people people always tell me that's absolutely impossible,
Speaker 1: but I'm like why why they can't really give me
Speaker 1: an answer. I hope bitcoin can be saved. I just
Speaker 1: bought bitcoin, so I really want bigcoin to be able
Speaker 1: to get saved. I hope that's an alternative. So we
Speaker 1: should have some discussions and try to look at ideas.
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't have answers. I'm brand new
Speaker 1: to that, to crypto. But uh, a couple of questions
Speaker 1: close up Ethereum, do you have any stronger thoughts on
Speaker 1: that are kind of the same.
Speaker 2: Well, Ethereum's going through an issue now, which is that,
Speaker 2: you know, they've built their whole thing on this idea
Speaker 2: of having layers as well, having you know, building on
Speaker 2: top of kind of like bitcoin, they throttled the main layer,
Speaker 2: and then the idea is you're going to build these
Speaker 2: solutions on top of it. Ethereum is now talking about
Speaker 2: a band. One of the things I don't like about
Speaker 2: ethereum is it's proof of steak, And I actually like
Speaker 2: proof of steak if it's implemented properly. But to explain
Speaker 2: what proof of steak is, you know versus Bitcoin is
Speaker 2: proof of work, and proof of work means again, you
Speaker 2: have these computers solving these math problems, and so whoever
Speaker 2: solves the math problem wins the block. With ethereum, it's
Speaker 2: proof of steak, and who who gets to add the
Speaker 2: blocks to the transactions to the blockchain is determined largely
Speaker 2: based on you know, do you how much ethereum you hold,
Speaker 2: so it's actually concentrated in the hands of a small number.
Speaker 1: The bankers and make the decisions.
Speaker 2: So the problem that I have with Ethereum is it's
Speaker 2: kind of like the federal reserve structure where it ends
Speaker 2: up being concentrated, and because it's also transparent, you can
Speaker 2: figure out who these big players are that are controlling
Speaker 2: which blocks get added. So so this is my my concern.
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, you know, Metallic behind Ethereum
Speaker 2: has talked about moving towards privacy. So I'm all for
Speaker 2: or if we need multiple solutions, and I'm hoping that
Speaker 2: everybody starts to understand the threat of technocracy and people
Speaker 2: start working on scalability and privacy. Because again I want
Speaker 2: to go back to the project Hamilton that the Bitcoin
Speaker 2: core developer worked on, funded by Epstein. They were working
Speaker 2: on something that does one point seven million transactions per second.
Speaker 2: So we as an entire cryptocurrency industry, if we want
Speaker 2: to be able to compete with technocracy, we need to
Speaker 2: be able to collectively as a group be able to
Speaker 2: scale to handle transactions for the world, or otherwise we're
Speaker 2: going to get stuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think instead of a set of a
Speaker 1: debate sometimes we have a discussion, you know, try to
Speaker 1: get a few other people on and start trying to
Speaker 1: come solutions. I think they're talking. They're trying to argue something.
Speaker 1: You're not arguing the people they're asking for a debate.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot. Any anything final things you want to
Speaker 1: close on, and also anything you want to plug you
Speaker 1: it's your book people. I know you're on Twitter, Aaron
Speaker 1: Day anywhere else? Is there anything thank you want to
Speaker 1: hit too? We can hit any final subject you think
Speaker 1: to something important we missed.
Speaker 2: I think I think we covered most of the important areas,
Speaker 2: but I just to summarize it, I would say that
Speaker 2: this threat of technocracy is immediate. It's something that is
Speaker 2: happening in real time without resistance because of the way
Speaker 2: that it's been packaged politically. And so we are now
Speaker 2: in a situation where even here in the US, we
Speaker 2: are accelerating with digital IDs through real ID. We have
Speaker 2: a backdoor CBDC through the Genius Act and this Clarity
Speaker 2: Act if it passes, and by the way, we should
Speaker 2: try to stop it to the extent that we have
Speaker 2: a lot of effect on it. This is going to
Speaker 2: add surveillance and programmability to every asset that we own.
Speaker 2: That's what's being put in place. So if I would
Speaker 2: say anything, we need to do everything that we can
Speaker 2: to understand that and to build parallel solutions outside of it.
Speaker 2: So I have a website, daylightfreedom dot org, which links
Speaker 2: to five other websites that I have. I've talked about
Speaker 2: some of them here, but that's the one, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of destination point. But all of the websites that
Speaker 2: I've built, all of the solutions that I've built, are
Speaker 2: around exiting the system and empowering people with either information
Speaker 2: or actually tools, products or services. And I would start
Speaker 2: by exiting starting to exit the dollar. Download a crypto wallet,
Speaker 2: I would recommend again Zano wallet or whatever. Get a
Speaker 2: privacy coin like Zano or Freedom Dollar, get a debit card,
Speaker 2: and make a transaction. Learn how it works. Don't sit
Speaker 2: on the sidelines or think about it or whatever. Just
Speaker 2: that you know the one, because once you've made that transaction,
Speaker 2: you will realize that you can engage in voluntary commerce
Speaker 2: outside of the entire system, and that will change your
Speaker 2: entire understanding of how much power you have as an individual.
Speaker 1: Great, thanks so much, and I think we'll be having
Speaker 1: some more discussions about this because it's a new topic
Speaker 1: to me, but exceed It's obviously extremely important.
Speaker 2: So excellent. Thank you for having me. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: I think of an error tomorrow, so i'll let you know.
Speaker 1: They want to get it out right, okay, since it's
Speaker 1: a hot topic.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you.
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