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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Radio, Madison. Thank you very much, boy. We have

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<v Speaker 2>lots to talk about tonight, Lots happening in the news

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<v Speaker 2>and lots happening on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the host of Nightside. This is a midweek edition

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday Night. We're every Monday through Friday night from eight

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<v Speaker 2>until midnight on WBZ ten thirty and their AM dial

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<v Speaker 2>in Boston. Apparently there's going to be another big development

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenty twenty four presidential race. On Friday. We

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<v Speaker 2>will talk about a statement a decision that were led

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<v Speaker 2>to believe Robert F. Kennedy Junior has made. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that tonight. We're also going to talk in the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour, just to change the pace a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about some Boston restaurants which are now allowing, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even encouraging people to bring their dogs with them to

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<v Speaker 2>sit outside outside dining here in Boston. Some restaurants are

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<v Speaker 2>dog friendly. Big article in the Globe today that caught

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<v Speaker 2>my eye, and we'll talk about that. We also have

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<v Speaker 2>a Globe article Tomorrow Night Tomorrow coming out tomorrow, which

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<v Speaker 2>we just saw, in which the Globe will disclose that

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<v Speaker 2>four United States Senators from New England, including Elizabeth Warren,

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<v Speaker 2>Maggie Hassen, Jean Shaheen, and Angus King, their ancestors owned slaves. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about that. There were no other members of

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<v Speaker 2>the congressional delegation in New England whose ancestors owned slaves,

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<v Speaker 2>but we'll get to all of that. An incredible story

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<v Speaker 2>about the Globe, and again I continue to commend them

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<v Speaker 2>for doing some really great journalism lately. But we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to start off with a story out of Cambridge. Joining

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<v Speaker 2>me as our first guest tonight is the owner of

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<v Speaker 2>Cambridge Brewing Company, Phil Bonatime. Phil, give me the correct

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<v Speaker 2>pronunciation on the last name in case I missed that.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan, you got real close. It's Banatime, ben Atime.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's great. I wasn't sure. So you folks have

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<v Speaker 2>been in operation here for a long time. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's thirty five years.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, that's correct, nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and it's Look, everybody, whether you happen to like

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<v Speaker 2>beer or not, loves the idea of local brewing companies.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Globe, again citing the Globe here over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 2>reported that this brew pub in Kendall Square is going

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<v Speaker 2>to close in December. So that is not a happy

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<v Speaker 2>story for us. What's going on? First of all, Phil.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not necessarily a not happy story. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's been a thirty five year run. We've had

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<v Speaker 3>an incredible time of success. It's been very rewarding for

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<v Speaker 3>me and.

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<v Speaker 4>For all involved.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm getting up there, Dan and at a time,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, at some point you got to say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe this is enough. Maybe we set out to do

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<v Speaker 3>what we set out to do and we accomplished it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm feeling really proud about what we've done and

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<v Speaker 3>all the you know, the good times we've had there,

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<v Speaker 3>and all the people that have come through there and

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<v Speaker 3>been trained as brewers and chefs and what have you,

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<v Speaker 3>and the legacy that we're leaving. Well, and maybe let's

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<v Speaker 3>let me.

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<v Speaker 2>Just first of all say I do understand that a

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<v Speaker 2>job well done and accomplished in a career is something

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<v Speaker 2>you celebrate. However, I would love to know how did

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<v Speaker 2>you get started? What happened? Did you wake up someday

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<v Speaker 2>what we're doing Previously, little kids don't grow up to

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<v Speaker 2>say I'm going to become a brewer, I guess unless

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<v Speaker 2>they follow baseball and live in Milwaukee. Maybe, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a different type of brewer that we're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you become a brewer?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it started. I was out in the Bay Area

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<v Speaker 3>living in the early eighties and brewing beer in my kitchen,

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<v Speaker 3>having traveled in Europe and seeing what good beer could be,

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<v Speaker 3>and then coming back to the States and they being,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, basically what we had were yellow physy industrial loggers,

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<v Speaker 3>and there's so much more out there. So it's like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 3>let me learn how to make beer in my kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I was in as I said, in California,

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<v Speaker 3>and they changed the laws out there in the early

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<v Speaker 3>eighties that allowed you to produce beer and sell it

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<v Speaker 3>on site. Previously, these things were strictly separated into what

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<v Speaker 3>we call the three tier system. So there's the producer

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<v Speaker 3>and the wholesaler and the retailer. So now restaurants are

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<v Speaker 3>tap rooms or what have you could make beer and

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<v Speaker 3>sell it direct to the public. And I thought, wait, great,

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<v Speaker 3>So I went to the University of California and I

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<v Speaker 3>took some some brewing classes, and I drove back to

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<v Speaker 3>Cambridge to open a brew pub.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when you say you drove back to Cambridge, originally

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<v Speaker 2>you a Bostonian, a Cambridge guy who was out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you at here southern Connecticut? Close enough? That's close enough,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, So, what what are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're going to relax for a few days,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope maybe even a few weeks. What's next on

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<v Speaker 2>Phil's agenda?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's kind of you to ask, you know. I

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not pressuring myself a whole lot to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 3>I have some hobbies. I play a lot of tennis.

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<v Speaker 3>I look forward to that. Beyond that, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to take it easy for a while, and

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<v Speaker 3>I am kind of a restless guy. I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to try to find something meaningful, try to give

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<v Speaker 3>back in some way. Uh, you know, maybe maybe in

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<v Speaker 3>the foods or food pantry or Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you think of selling the brewery? I'm sure that

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<v Speaker 2>must have crossed your mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he asked a great question, and sure, but to

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<v Speaker 3>sell in that question is did you think of selling it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>The it really is us. It's myself, My brew master,

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<v Speaker 3>Will Myers has been with me for thirty two years.

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<v Speaker 3>My chef David Drew's been with me for sixteen. My

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<v Speaker 3>GM Laura Peters has been with me for eighteen years.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the it, and that's not for sale.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, these folks want to go on to new

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<v Speaker 3>opportunities and new challenges, and I just sort of feel

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<v Speaker 3>like we've done what we set out to do and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a good time to move on to other things.

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<v Speaker 2>I love your integrity, man, I really do feel that's

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<v Speaker 2>an amazing statement you just made. But folks can still

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<v Speaker 2>come by the Cambridge Brewing Company anytime. I guess not

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<v Speaker 2>between now and December twentieth. December twentieth, this last call.

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<v Speaker 3>I sure hope that they do. I mean, there's it's

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<v Speaker 3>been an important place to a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 3>I hope they come by and share them memory and

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<v Speaker 3>a pint and a smile and we'll we do. We

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<v Speaker 3>still have four months to go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fabulous, Phil give you guys are in Kendall Square.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give the specific address in case someone's

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<v Speaker 2>driving around tonight they put that address in the GPS,

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<v Speaker 2>either for tonight or for some time this weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's one Kendall Square, which is a development the

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<v Speaker 3>corner of Hampshire and Broadway in Kendall Square and Cambridge.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. Well, look, thanks, thanks for what you've done,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for being with us tonight. And I've never

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<v Speaker 2>met you before. First time we talked your class act

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<v Speaker 2>really mean.

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<v Speaker 4>That, a buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that, and thank you for drawn some attention

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<v Speaker 3>to what we've done and the fact that we're still

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<v Speaker 3>going to be there for a little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Four more months, four more months, Thanks so much. Phil

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed the conversations. Well, that's interesting. Now we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go from beer a brewing. We're gonna go to some

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<v Speaker 2>clever ways to waste less food, save money, and live

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<v Speaker 2>more sustainably. This is something you need to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>and I need to listen to as well, although I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to just buy what I need and uh, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what all of us should do. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk with a very interesting author whose

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<v Speaker 2>name is Carolyn Pilgrim. We'll be right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is tarre Lynn Pilgrim. She's an author written

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<v Speaker 2>a book, No Scrap Left Behind, My Life Without Food

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<v Speaker 2>Waste look something we all should aspire to a resourceful,

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<v Speaker 2>budget conscious consumers and can also pocket an average of

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen hundred dollars a year by doing this one simple thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Waste less food sounds simple. First of all, welcome Tara Lynn.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, now, it sounds really simple, three words waste less food.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do you do that? You have to have

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<v Speaker 2>some discipline. You have to make sure you eat or

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<v Speaker 2>your family eats what you buy, and you don't leave

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<v Speaker 2>it in the refrigerator, you know, and have to throw

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<v Speaker 2>it out as it's gone bad, or you don't put

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<v Speaker 2>out food that people don't need. How do you do this?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you waste less food realistically?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, it takes a lot of discipline at first.

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<v Speaker 5>And I when I first started doing this, I said

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<v Speaker 5>I was going to do it for a year. I

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<v Speaker 5>was going to get my food why send to zero?

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<v Speaker 5>And I was going to write a book and tell

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<v Speaker 5>people how to do it. But by the time I

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<v Speaker 5>figured out how to do it, and I had like

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<v Speaker 5>wasting getting to zero was a challenge, but getting to

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<v Speaker 5>the point where I had drastically changed my life just

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<v Speaker 5>got to be a lifestyle, you know, and and it

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't so hard. Now, I will say, the most important thing,

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<v Speaker 5>if I had to pick one thing to tell your

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<v Speaker 5>viewers is not to buy too much food, because it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't matter how much you learn about, you know, up

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<v Speaker 5>cycling and refrigeration and storage. If things are going bad

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<v Speaker 5>faster than you can eat it, there's really not a

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<v Speaker 5>lot you can do. So that right there makes a

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<v Speaker 5>big difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Type Also, like, what if I could ask what type

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<v Speaker 2>of foods? Look, I assume it's it's primarily vegetables. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong, but I'm assuming it's primarily vegetables that people

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<v Speaker 2>have in that crisper and all of a sudden they realized, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been there too long. What type of food do

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<v Speaker 2>people unintentionally weigh? So I'm not talking about the person

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<v Speaker 2>who has to buy you know, you know, seven pounds

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<v Speaker 2>of shrimp for a little get together with a few neighbors,

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<v Speaker 2>and you realize that only half of a pound of

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<v Speaker 2>shrimp was eaten and you don't know what they do

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<v Speaker 2>with it. You put in the refrigerator. In three days later,

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<v Speaker 2>you throw it out. I'm talking about what is the

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<v Speaker 2>type of food that the average person wastes unintentionally?

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<v Speaker 5>Well Refaed recently released a study saying that people who

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<v Speaker 5>don't eat their leftovers waste four times as much food. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>you would think a person who says, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not getting leftovers, I'll make less food. But it just

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<v Speaker 5>it doesn't seem to work that way. So things that

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<v Speaker 5>you've already cooked. Now, I will say, one of the

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<v Speaker 5>things I struggle with the most is like the produce

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<v Speaker 5>that you can't really cook into something else, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like romaine, lettuce or grapes. But you know, we do

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<v Speaker 5>think of produce. But also meat has a very important

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<v Speaker 5>time stamp on it, you know, like you really have

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<v Speaker 5>to get that in the freezer or eat it up

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<v Speaker 5>before before it gets you sick. But really, if people

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah No, And I think also paying attention to how

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<v Speaker 5>you individually wrap your hamburger patties. Yeah, you know what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, Like, you don't just put them all in

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And most nights I'm eating alone because of my job.

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<v Speaker 2>eat at five o'clock. Nobody else wants to eat at

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<v Speaker 2>five o'clock. That's fine with me. So is it possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Now you're the author, have you gotten to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where during the course of a month, there's no food

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<v Speaker 5>So when I when I was doing this, I had

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<v Speaker 5>So it's like I've got to keep this in for

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<v Speaker 5>the lease, it was only way full and it weighed

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<v Speaker 5>I was a toddler and a four year old and

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty good. That is fifty good. So so you

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<v Speaker 2>not only wrote the book, but you live the life. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>How long has the book been around? And it is

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's funny you say that because I just

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<v Speaker 5>in my kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's just out now.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's available for pre sale and it will start

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<v Speaker 2>No scrap left behind, life with my Life without food waste.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been doing this? That's my other question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there something that took a period of time for

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<v Speaker 2>you to to get accustomed to before you wrote the book.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you didn't write this book two months ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh well, I would have been able to go through

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<v Speaker 5>this whole thing a lot faster if I had had,

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<v Speaker 5>if someone had written this book for me. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I started in twenty seventeen. There was a lot less

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<v Speaker 5>awareness about food waste at the time, and I was

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<v Speaker 5>really kind of scrambling a lot because I had to

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<v Speaker 5>kitchen beforehand, and I didn't do that u till I

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<v Speaker 5>was like eight months in. So it wasn't until I

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<v Speaker 5>twenty eighteen that I felt like I finally had it,

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<v Speaker 5>figure it out, and it went to my husband. I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, can we do this another year, because like,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And so those were like the two years that I

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<v Speaker 5>really focused heavily on this, and then I wrote it

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<v Speaker 5>and got it published and.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's out and nobody went to bed hungry in

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<v Speaker 2>your family. I mean, that's the point. You had everything

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<v Speaker 2>you needed, and I'm serious, it's like you were disciplined

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that. What kicked it off in your

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<v Speaker 2>mind that's my last question. There must have been some

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<v Speaker 2>moment in time when you said, you know what, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>waste it too much food, or you must have read

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<v Speaker 1>What was it. I?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, I read something. It was an article about starving kids.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I've always felt guilty every time I throw

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<v Speaker 5>out food. And I had read somewhere many years ago

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<v Speaker 5>that the average family wastes enough to feed an additional

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<v Speaker 5>family member. So yeah, I know. So I would always

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<v Speaker 5>think about, like this kid that could be alive because

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<v Speaker 5>of me, but instead of wasting my food. And I

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<v Speaker 5>was reading this specific article that said that in some country, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I think it was Nigeria, there are villages that had

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<v Speaker 5>lost all their toddlers to hunger. And I had tollers

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<v Speaker 5>at the time, and it just destroyed me because I

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<v Speaker 5>was just imagining, like what my life would be like

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<v Speaker 5>and all my friends and all my family if all

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<v Speaker 5>the toddlers were gone.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great story, great motivation, And yeah, I hope

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<v Speaker 2>people get the book No Scrap Left Behind My Life

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<v Speaker 2>Without Food Waste by Terarylyn Pilgrim. It's available. You can

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<v Speaker 2>order it Amazon wherever you get your books. That's for sure. Terrell,

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<v Speaker 2>and I enjoyed this conversation a whole lot. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for having joined us.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. When we get back, we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about American history and civic education. There is now a

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<v Speaker 2>National Commission on American History and Civic Education. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would say it's about time. We'll be back on Nightside

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<v Speaker 2>right after the news. At the bottom of the ear.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside on WBZ ten

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<v Speaker 2>other night, last Friday night, my producer Marita was driving

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<v Speaker 2>She was listening to us in Pennsylvania, and she told

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<v Speaker 2>me today that the busy signal boomed into Pennsylvania. But

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Ray, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I think all of you who listened to

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<v Speaker 2>Nightside over the years know that I have for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time bemoaned the d emphasis on history, but even

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<v Speaker 2>more so on civics in high schools in our neck

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<v Speaker 2>of the woods and across America. There is a new

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<v Speaker 2>National Commission on American History and Civic Education that is

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<v Speaker 2>founded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni with

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<v Speaker 2>me is the head of that organization. He's the president

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<v Speaker 2>and chief executive officer of ACTA again, the American Council

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<v Speaker 2>of Trustees and Alumni. Michael Polakoff, I hope I got

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<v Speaker 2>that right, Polyokov. Michael, give me a good pronunciation, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mess it up a.

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<v Speaker 6>Third time, Polyakoff, But I'm not great to be on.

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<v Speaker 2>The show with Polyakoff. Michael, great to be with you.

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<v Speaker 2>We probably have a lot of mutual friends. I recently

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<v Speaker 2>we often have folks from higher education. Uh, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is an incredibly positive development. Tell us a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about what the American Council of Trustees and Alumni,

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<v Speaker 6>Sure, Dan, I'm glad you're speaking to Chancellor Deermeyer as well.

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<v Speaker 6>We need more college leadership like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a University Chicago guy, heart and soul, a though

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<v Speaker 2>he was educated in other institutions, he certainly follows the

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<v Speaker 2>code that the University of Chicago has invested in so

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<v Speaker 6>A rule of law, freedom of speech. These things are

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<v Speaker 6>the lifeblood of a strong campus and of a free society. Yes,

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<v Speaker 6>we were founded in nineteen ninety five and we took

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<v Speaker 6>spending practices. And it's our focus on ensuring that the

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<v Speaker 6>a citizen, what the obligations are, our institutions, and how

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<v Speaker 6>we got them that has led us to put this

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<v Speaker 6>wonderful commission of education leaders scholars together. I think Dan,

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<v Speaker 6>you and I are very much on the same page.

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<v Speaker 6>An ignorant citizen is a disempowered citizen, the kind of

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<v Speaker 6>person who's not going to have recourse to the rule

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<v Speaker 6>of law but to destructiveness. And we've been seeing entirely

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<v Speaker 6>too much of that to our detriment and to the

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<v Speaker 6>peril of our future. And we want to make our

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, and you know, when you talk

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<v Speaker 2>about intellectual diversity, that's the only sort of diversity that

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<v Speaker 2>the folks who run universities and colleges across this country

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<v Speaker 2>and have run them for the last thirty or so years,

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<v Speaker 2>have not been interested in fostering. I'm very familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the with the faculty at several great universities here in

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston area, and I know many of them personally,

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<v Speaker 2>are just inculcated with a progressive philosophy dominate college faculties

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<v Speaker 2>across this country. And how did we ever get to

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, indeed, the hiring practice is so broken that it

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<v Speaker 6>survey of its faculty, ninety seven percent reported that they

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<v Speaker 6>judgment about their politics, but what kind of discourse goes

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<v Speaker 6>that ought to govern on campus is self evident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Again, we've heard a lot the last few years

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, diversity, equity inclusion, which is fine, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>your student body should come from different backgrounds and from

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<v Speaker 2>different areas geographically, if you draw from different areas, but

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<v Speaker 2>there's no interest in giving students who come to campus

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps not with a set of values or ideas or philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you only expose them to professors of one

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<v Speaker 2>point of view, you're not I don't think providing a

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<v Speaker 2>balanced education whatsoever. And there's also quotes on many college

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<v Speaker 2>campuses these days. They want to get to every want

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<v Speaker 2>to get rid of everything, whether it's you know, historic history,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how how the country in which they were

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<v Speaker 2>born came to be. They want to get rid of Shakespeare,

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<v Speaker 2>they want to get rid of Western thought. There's there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's a war on on traditional culture on many university campuses,

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<v Speaker 2>and we see what happened this last year, particularly in

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<v Speaker 2>the wake of the brutal attack on Israel on October seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fallout from that which is now resultant in

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<v Speaker 2>the resignation of the president of Harvard, the president m I.

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<v Speaker 2>T the president of the University of Pennsylvania. It's it

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<v Speaker 2>was a long time coming, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 6>There's something that we can count on that when we've

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<v Speaker 6>got people who don't understand the American story, and that's

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<v Speaker 6>not a story that's without laws and without failings, but

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<v Speaker 6>when they don't understand the principles and the promise of America,

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<v Speaker 6>they will take it lightly. There's a survey done by

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<v Speaker 6>the World World Value Survey showed that barely thirty percent

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<v Speaker 6>of Americans born before or born since nineteen eighty think

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<v Speaker 6>it essential to live in a country that's governed democratically.

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<v Speaker 6>And even more frightening you probably saw the polls, less

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<v Speaker 6>than fifty percent of the young people say that if

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<v Speaker 6>America were invaded by Russia that they would stay and

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<v Speaker 6>fight as opposed to flee. Well, this is the failing

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<v Speaker 6>of education and what we want to do at ACTA

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<v Speaker 6>is to make sure that our college grads have a

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<v Speaker 6>strong foundation in understanding the documents, the key points in

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<v Speaker 6>our history, and are able to be engaged intelligent citizens

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<v Speaker 6>in our society. We were born in this country. It's

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<v Speaker 6>in our dna in debate and discourse and forming that

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<v Speaker 6>more perfect union through openness and arguing with one another.

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<v Speaker 6>And these are the things that are precisely lacking on

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<v Speaker 6>so many college campuses. And one way to get at

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<v Speaker 6>this is to go back and understand what our birthright is.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm not for a moment saying that we shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 6>critical of the places where we've had flaws. God men

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<v Speaker 6>dine every flaw. But to take such a dismissive attitude

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<v Speaker 6>and ignorance is appalling and it's malfeasance on the part

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<v Speaker 6>of college governance not to do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I wish you the best. By the way, I misspoke,

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<v Speaker 2>the MIT president, Sally Cornbolloth, has not resigned. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the Columbia University president who resigned a few days ago.

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<v Speaker 2>So Columbia, University of Pennsylvania, Harvard have all lost presidents

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<v Speaker 2>in the fallout the political faull that begin last fall

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<v Speaker 2>with a brutal attack by Hamas on the Israeli settlers

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<v Speaker 2>on our cover seventh. How can folks get more information

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<v Speaker 2>Michael about this effort. There has to be an easy

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<v Speaker 2>website that folks can go to. I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people I know who are going to want to

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<v Speaker 2>get this information because the launch of this organization is

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<v Speaker 2>not going to be highlighted on any of the main

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<v Speaker 2>evening newscast ABC, NBC or CBS. Trust me on that.

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<v Speaker 6>I am afraid that patriotism is something that has been

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<v Speaker 6>so badly scorned. Patriotism is not blind chauvinism. Patriotism means

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<v Speaker 6>we have a basic, basic obligation to make our country

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<v Speaker 6>better all the time, continuous improvement. Anyone can go to

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<v Speaker 6>www dot go acta, Goo acta dot org and write

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<v Speaker 6>off homepage. There's information about the new commission and we'll

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<v Speaker 6>be working on this right away. Its success that we

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<v Speaker 6>want to give to this country that we love so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, Michael for what you do. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>simply go actor so it's gooacta dot org. Michael Roikoff,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for what you do. I'll have

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<v Speaker 2>you back somenight for a longer conversation and maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>incorporate during a full hour phone calls from listeners. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you listen to WBZ, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>flip me on any night ten thirty on the AM

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<v Speaker 2>dial Monday through Friday night. And I think you will

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy what you will hear on this program.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I will.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan, thank you for the opportunity to be with you.

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<v Speaker 6>It's been a real pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have you back. Thanks so much. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about a really inspirational story. A

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<v Speaker 2>man who's a cancer survivor. It's a retyree, but he

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<v Speaker 2>inspires younger people to manufacture guitarists at a local community college.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll have that story. It's fascinating story with Mark Bulldock,

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<v Speaker 2>the retire informer student himself coming back on Nightside right

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<v Speaker 2>after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World,

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<v Speaker 1>Light Side Studios on w b Z News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I'm not a music expert, and I certainly would

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<v Speaker 2>never try to build a musical instrument, but I'm delighted

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<v Speaker 2>to be joined by Quinn Sigamund Community College. Well, he

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<v Speaker 2>was a student and I believe now a graduate and

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<v Speaker 2>he helps students. He's had a long and winding path.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me put it like that. I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>a song about long and winding paths. So we'll use

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<v Speaker 2>that as a segue and introduced you to Mark Buldock. Hey, Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to Nightside. How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>Hi?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Dan, I'm great, I'm great. How are you? Thanks

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<v Speaker 4>for having me, My pleasure, my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you have had a what we would call a

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<v Speaker 2>non traditional acad career. As I understand that you, uh, you,

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<v Speaker 2>you now work at Quinsigamund Community College and you're the

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<v Speaker 2>manager of a program. To tell us what you're doing now,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll go back and we'll we'll begin at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, sure, So about two years ago, I was looking

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<v Speaker 4>for something to do to further my education. I love

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<v Speaker 4>technology and I like going to work. Retirement wasn't especially

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<v Speaker 4>after COVID. I was really stuck in a place of oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, I just I didn't like retirement. I

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<v Speaker 4>felt isolated.

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<v Speaker 2>What did you What did you retire from? Mark? If

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<v Speaker 2>I could ask, what, what was your career?

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<v Speaker 4>I was, Yeah, I was. I was in information technology.

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<v Speaker 4>I got involved with computers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good field. Mark, that's a heck of a

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<v Speaker 2>good field. Yeah. So did you go to school?

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<v Speaker 4>I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you go to school? Did you go to school for.

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<v Speaker 4>That or I did? I did. I went to clock

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<v Speaker 4>University for Back then, it was called the Microsoft Certified

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<v Speaker 4>Engineering Systems Engineer Program, and that is right after that's

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<v Speaker 4>that's right after Windows three dot one, before any type

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<v Speaker 4>of networking wow, uh Windows NT that was the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>of course back ages. So I had it on the

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<v Speaker 4>ground level. And I at that time I had been

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<v Speaker 4>with the same company for eighteen years, and computers were

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<v Speaker 4>starting to become part of with their products. So I

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<v Speaker 4>eventually I took a buyout and I started my own company.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I landed a job with one of my clients,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was there until I got sick. For almost

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<v Speaker 4>almost seventeen years.

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<v Speaker 2>You were dealing with cancer, as I understand it correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I was diagnosed with first with prostate cancer stage three,

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<v Speaker 4>and when I went to get a second opinion looking

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<v Speaker 4>at it, I was only fifty three, so I was

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<v Speaker 4>looking at all the different possible solutions or treatments. They

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to do surgery right away, but I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>take a look at some of the others, and I

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<v Speaker 4>stumbled across an experimental surgery called the highly Focused Intensive Ultrasound.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not FDA approved and experimental at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was. I thought it was my best option

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<v Speaker 4>and I was willing to roll the dice. And as

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<v Speaker 4>I was going down the path, they discovered I had

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<v Speaker 4>colon cancer too, a much more complicated case of there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't want to dwell on that because obviously

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<v Speaker 2>that is now in your rearview mirror. Thank god, you

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<v Speaker 2>drive that and.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you decide my career short.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, cut your career short short, no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you've gone on to this other career where

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<v Speaker 2>you now work at Quinsigamund Community College, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>great school in Worcester, very familiar with it, and you

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<v Speaker 2>teach kids how to make how to produce.

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<v Speaker 7>Guitars correct or actually and whatever their project of choices.

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<v Speaker 7>I've worked with a number of students there on. This

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<v Speaker 7>machine is a CNC machine. They have several different flavors

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<v Speaker 7>of CNC, which is the programming language that sends us

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<v Speaker 7>instructions to either a laser or a mill or a

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<v Speaker 7>lais or a router or A spindle is which is

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<v Speaker 7>the machine I use the most, and that is primarily

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<v Speaker 7>for wood. The other machines are for a variety of

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<v Speaker 7>other materials, from stainless steel to aluminum.

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<v Speaker 4>Brass and the like. But so the machine that I

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<v Speaker 4>went to school for, I went actually I started that

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<v Speaker 4>when I was saying, I bought a kit guitar let

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<v Speaker 4>me back teddle a minute, uh so to build because

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<v Speaker 4>I was stuck at home for six months and I

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<v Speaker 4>either worked or built models, and I bought I bought

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<v Speaker 4>a guitar kit and assembled that and I said, Wow,

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<v Speaker 4>this is fun. And when I was looking for something

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<v Speaker 4>to do, I had this idea from the get go

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<v Speaker 4>to try to help other people that are sick. I

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<v Speaker 4>stole that from the who they had put together awards

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<v Speaker 4>for teens with cancer that had like all the recording

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<v Speaker 4>gear and all the instruments and we only have a.

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<v Speaker 2>We only have a minute left. So the bottom line

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<v Speaker 2>is you now are working with students at quinsigamund correct.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm not sure if you're working as a

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<v Speaker 2>volunteer or hopefully you're working as a as another path

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<v Speaker 2>in your career, and you're teaching these kids how to

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<v Speaker 2>make musical instruments and other things, how to how to

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<v Speaker 2>musical instruments.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, whatever their idea is, we work together on that.

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<v Speaker 4>And yes, I'm an employee right now, part time employee.

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<v Speaker 4>I work with another gentleman there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you're not technically, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know that technically, I don't think you're a professor, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. But however, you are, in point of fact,

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<v Speaker 2>doing the work of a professor at a school. Seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>they should be calling your professor. It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>This is an inspiring story. Mark and I run out

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<v Speaker 2>of time, unfortunately, and we could probably talk a lot longer,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh, congratulations on fighting the good fight at beating

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<v Speaker 2>cancer and bouncing back. Your resilience and your passion are amazing.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you so much. That means a lot to me. Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to say, I feel like I was always optimistic.

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<v Speaker 4>I always look toward the future, no matter what the

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<v Speaker 4>what was, I was looking against them. And I'm grateful

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<v Speaker 4>to be here. I'm grateful for the opportunities that I've

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<v Speaker 4>been presented.

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<v Speaker 2>And those students are pretty I'm sure pretty grateful to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on campus.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it's fun, have a good time.

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<v Speaker 3>With it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark, thank you so much. Okay, you know I appreciate this. This,

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<v Speaker 2>this will be posted. Your students can listen to this.

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<v Speaker 2>They can go to Nightside and Demand and they can

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<v Speaker 2>listen to this entire interview. It'll be posted tomorrow in

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<v Speaker 2>podcast form at Nightside on Demand dot com. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you hope they enjoyed as much as I have.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Mark, Okay, Dan, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk to you soon we get back. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about a story in the Globe today which caught

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<v Speaker 2>my eye. I'm a dog lover, as I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think people should be able to bring their

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<v Speaker 2>dogs to outdoor restaurants in Austin, and we'll explain the

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<v Speaker 2>whole story. And later on we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 2>a big change in the presidential race and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>happening in Chicago. I will explain. Robert F. Kennedy Junior

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<v Speaker 2>may be endorsing Donald Trump before week's end.