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Speaker 1: Hello and good morning, detective. How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy?

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Speaker 3: How are you? Ooh?

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Speaker 1: I love that term, because in order to be pretty happy,

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you've got to really be living it.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have nothing to complain about. That's where

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I go. I say this to everybody everywhere, and people

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are always surprised why I've never heard that before, and

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then it makes them happy.

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Speaker 2: Well, so that's my vote.

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Speaker 1: What part of the country are you from, because I mean,

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it's like being from Montana. There's a different way that

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we explained. I always say I'm fantastic people, what really Well, yeah,

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that's what I was trained to say. I'm fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm born and bred in California, lived in the

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Bay Area until about three years ago, and now I

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reside in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: So you have lived with this around you for a

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very long period of time. You know, we're talking about

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the tech the tech world where I mean, my god,

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I didn't realize half the stuff that you're talking about

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inside this and it really is an eye opener for me.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so, I mean I I've moved to Santa

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when I was five. My entire family worked Silicon Valley

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I worked Silicon Valley before I became a police officer,

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and then I worked in Palo Alto, which is the

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gateway back in the day to Silicon Valley. So you know,

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very familiar with all of this, very familiar.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But did you know that all of this was

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taking place behind the scenes, because I guess I don't

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look at the tech world as being basically an underground

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black world.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be honest with you, a lot of people don't. And

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working as working homicide cases for the city of Palo Alto,

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of course I knew because we had some cases.

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Speaker 2: That would just blow you out of the water.

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Speaker 3: I mean we you know, we had cases where people

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were trying to stage the murder to make it look

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like something else, and then when you get there and

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you go, wait a minute, nothing's adding up.

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Speaker 2: This doesn't look right.

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Speaker 3: You know, my wife fell down the stairs when you

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actually murdered her and then threw down the stairs and

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make it look like she fell down the stairs and

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put her shoes in the steps backwards.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes these people are so are away from reality. They

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have so much money, and they have so much genius,

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and they have so much ambition that they forget they're

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just as common as everybody else is. But their minds

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make them think that they could get away with anything,

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and sometimes their mind makes them think they can get

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away with murder.

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Speaker 1: See I would be the guy that would walk up

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onto a scene and see how unbelievable it is and

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then go, where's Leonardo DiCaprio. I know this has got

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to be a movie set. There's no way this is happening.

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Speaker 2: I got to be honest with you.

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Speaker 3: They sometimes they do make movie right, they do make

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movies out of them. So, for instance, we have this

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this stereotypical idea within the world, and I'll bring it

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down to the country and I'll bring it down to

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the West Coast that if you live in Silicon Valley,

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that if you work for a tech company or you

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have an idea and then you can make it big,

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that everything's going to be fine. The world's going to

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be perfect. You're going to live in a mansion, you're

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going to drive a high priced car, your kid's going

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to go to private school, you're gonna have a private jet,

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you're gonna eat the best restaurants, and it all looks

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fine and Danby, But for the reality everybody that moves

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to Silicon Valley or thinks about working in Silicon Valley.

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You know, there's more failures in Silicon Valley than there

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are people who have made it. And for some of

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those people who have failed, it's heartbreaking and sometimes it

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tips them over. They can't they can't deal with it.

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And so these six cases that we're going to see

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over the next six weeks, and let me just put

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what I got to put out there. Tonight's number one

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Killer Code. It starts at ten o'clock ninth Central. It's

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going to be on Investigation Discovery Channel, commonly referred to as.

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Speaker 2: The ID Channel. Everybody loves the ID Channel. It's also

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going to be Ono.

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Speaker 3: Max, and we'll see them consecutively over the next six weeks.

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This will bring people to a reality that just because

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you made it in Silicon Valley doesn't mean you made

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it in the world. And maybe there's not as many

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happy people in Silicon Valley as one would think.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Detectives Under Brown

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coming up next on Investigation and Discovery, the ID Channel,

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The Tech bro Murders. We're back with Detective Center Brown.

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I think the eye opening thing here, and the you know,

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where you start getting compassion and empathy for the innocent

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people is the fact that this is like a bad

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drug deal gone wrong, but it's it's involving technology. And

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I think that's the big shocker for me because you

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think of big business, Oh, we're safe with the big company.

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They got the money to back them up.

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Speaker 3: No, because when you look at also to these cases,

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these people either worked at Cisco, Google, Facebook, I mean,

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the dreams of these these tech bros. Right, people look

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at that from the Midwest and from the other side

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of the country, like, oh my goodness. You know, when

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I grew up in the Bay Area, Silicon Valley, and

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technology was just in the Bay Area. Of course, now

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it's everywhere, right, But this whole idea, I.

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Speaker 3: The the cost of living in the Bay Area has skyrocketed.

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A house I grew up in that was probably one

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Speaker 2: Is over a million dollars now, you know, And I've

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seen people out.

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Speaker 3: My husband and I recently traveled back to the bar

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and went to all of our homes and homes.

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Speaker 2: That we paid.

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Speaker 3: You know, we paid five hundred thousand, four three point

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five million now right from twenty eight years ago. And

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so you know, everybody wants to live that life. I

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moved out because I don't want to live that life.

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I want to live a simple, quiet life here. I

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live now in Phoenix, Like I said, in Phoenix, Arizona.

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I live in a great neighborhood. And crime can occur

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here as well. Crime doesn't have a zip code, and

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people think.

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Speaker 2: That it does.

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Speaker 3: Right, People think, I mean, isn't that the truth? People

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think that, oh, it's only going to happen in the

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inner cities, It's only going to happen in and I'm

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quoting here. My fingers are doing a litle coote thing

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because I don't believe in ghettos, but I believe the

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lower socio economic communities.

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Speaker 2: People believe that.

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Speaker 3: Those crimes only happen there, or you got to be

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on drugs, or you've got to be in a motorcycle gang,

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ideas and stereotypes that they have. You know what, you

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you can live in a nice home, and you can

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still commit crime, and or you can still be a

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victim of said crime. And so you know, six, these

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six episodes and documentaries will will even the playing score

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that people will see and say, oh, okay, I really

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want to live like that, But maybe I don't. Maybe

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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful, great world, but maybe it's not.

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Speaker 1: It's an eye opener. I mean to the point to

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away from Silicon Valley to go to Texas because they

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don't want to play with their past anymore? And they

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think that, oh, if we replant our seeds, we're going

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to have a better life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well you know what I say to that, people

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be careful. Yeah, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. When I was working in Palo Alto,

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and I've said this so many times over the years,

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Speaker 2: It's so safe.

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Speaker 3: We don't even lock our doors at night. Okay, no,

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you need to lock your doors, right? How many how

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many cases have I responded to where someone was in uh,

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in their house sleeping on the couch because they thought

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you wake up and you see a stranger in your home.

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mean that sometimes people drive through those neighborhoods and they take,

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you know, they take opportunities of your unlocked door to

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rob you, to urgalize.

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Speaker 1: Detective with everything that you have studied in doing and

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bringing criminals to you know, to justice. The thing about

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it is, though, is that they don't look like the

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people that we call criminals. They have a different look

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Speaker 2: Well, well here's the shaker part. That's called bias.

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Speaker 3: Right, People say, oh, he especially when they're watching these

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crime shows, all I knew was him, he looks crazy.

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nice expensive shoes, They go, oh, I would have never

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Speaker 3: Because we these stereotypes, and unfortunately, because of movies and

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television and news and what you know's what's being put

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out there, sometimes we're right. Yeah, he was the killer

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and he looked like the killer. But a lot of

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times were wrong. And Silicon Valley is a I grew

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up there. It was a wonderful place to grow up.

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I loved living there. I just, you know, I just thought,

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you know, let's go try something different and live a

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little I'm living better than I would have lived in

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the Bay Area here in Phoenix. But I'll say it again.

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Crime doesn't have a zip code, crime doesn't have a

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look right. And in these six episodes, you will see

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people who have made it that lost their lives. You

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it and they became violent, and they were the ones

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Speaker 1: This is not just a California thing, is it. I mean,

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when you talk about technology, this is global.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's global.

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Speaker 3: You know, the grass always looks better on the other side,

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but when you get there.

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Speaker 2: You wish you'd stay where you were.

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Speaker 3: Okay, it's all based it's all, you know, it's all

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we get it wrong. Sometimes it's all based on stereotypical

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stuff that doesn't make any sense. We have to, you know,

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we have to, we have to be safe. We have

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to look over our shoulders. Sometimes, we have to lock

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our doors sometimes. And you know, you might want to

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go and be in Silicon Valley and be wealthy, being

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rich and all that stuff, but you know, it's not

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always the best thing for an individual.

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Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about everything

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that you're doing and get on board with this six

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part series.

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Speaker 3: Well, it starts tonight ten o'clock ninth Central on Investigation

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Discovery commonly referred to as the ID Channel, and it's

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also on HBO Max and it will show at the

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same time ten o'clock ninth Central the next uh sit tonight,

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in the next the following five tunesdays.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you got to come back to this show

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anytime in the future. I love what you are doing.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute now, so you you're in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: North Carolina, I've been there when I've rolled through. I'm

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gonna look you up.

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Speaker 1: Please do. We'll get together for some southern barbecue.

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Speaker 2: Oh I got that.

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Speaker 1: Will you'd be brilliant today? Okay, thank you, Take care