Speaker 1: Coming to you from the dining room table at East
Speaker 1: Barbary Lane. Welcome to a new episode of Full Circle
Speaker 1: the Podcast. A visit to our home where we squeeze
Speaker 1: a few headlines for our decidedly queer lens and see
Speaker 1: what happens. This episode is brought to you by Decanta Jugwane,
Speaker 1: the fan running in the background to keep me alive,
Speaker 1: and my last queer nerve.
Speaker 2: I am your host, Charles Tyson Junior.
Speaker 1: And I am your host more than Madrigal. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Full Circle Table. Hi baby, Hi, I just figured
Speaker 1: i'd get the fan thing out of the way because
Speaker 1: I know it's driving you insane, but I am like nauseously.
Speaker 2: It is, and I understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's as quiet as it's going to be. And
Speaker 1: thank you, because yeah, we have one register in this
Speaker 1: room and it just doesn't do the trick when we're
Speaker 1: sitting here for some reason without a fan. So there's
Speaker 1: a fan, okay, Yeah, Well, anyway, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm fine. Happy day before our anniversary.
Speaker 1: Happy day before og anniversary. Yes, so we used to
Speaker 1: celebrate the anniversary of our first date, which was July fourteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Yes, so tomorrow marks the thirteenth anniversary of
Speaker 1: our first date. Yes, one could argue the first time
Speaker 1: we had sexes.
Speaker 2: Also because you're a little fast ass, I will.
Speaker 1: As I said at our wedding, we've known one another
Speaker 1: for twenty four years. That ain't fast. But whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: So Pride Month is over.
Speaker 2: Helujah. We made it.
Speaker 1: It's a busy month, it is. I've realized. The fourth
Speaker 1: of July weekend, I'm not we did not celebrate Independence Day,
Speaker 1: god knows well, but that was the first weekend since
Speaker 1: like April that we have had an entire weekend all
Speaker 1: with nothing to do. It's true where to be.
Speaker 2: I mean we we had hot dogs and hamburgers and
Speaker 2: sat in front of the television and we watched sinners,
Speaker 2: which we'll get to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had cookout like food without going out in
Speaker 1: the heat because it's been warm, right.
Speaker 2: And we didn't do fireworks because the dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah the dog does not like fireworks.
Speaker 2: But barbecue is really all I care about for July fourth,
Speaker 2: because you know reasons.
Speaker 1: You had your mama's potatoes though, yep I did that.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was fine, I mean it was, but it
Speaker 1: was just glorious because we got to relaxing except for
Speaker 1: Sunday when I spent a couple hours completely reimagining, rebranding,
Speaker 1: and repurposing the trans support group that Elizabeth and I
Speaker 1: have run for the last many years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were reinventing.
Speaker 1: Let's just say they weren't answering our questions. They weren't
Speaker 1: being forthright. We really really tried hard. Our community center
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia's in a state of massive change. Blocks. We
Speaker 1: hear they're selling the building. Depending on who you talk to,
Speaker 1: there you know will be a future or there won't be.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so much happening right now. But we
Speaker 1: were just trying to get some answers so we knew
Speaker 1: where we stood financially, and we couldn't get them. Instead,
Speaker 1: we were removed as administrators from the Transway page. That's
Speaker 1: what's happened, and we made the decision immediately we can't
Speaker 1: do this correctly without that kind of control over who
Speaker 1: has access to the group, right, And so a lot
Speaker 1: of things happened, but you know, we made the decision
Speaker 1: to move forward. We estimated there were about ninety active participants.
Speaker 1: We've got now one hundred and what was it fourteen?
Speaker 1: Last year looked something like that members in the new iteration,
Speaker 1: which is transformation collective you and the F capitalized as
Speaker 1: if you know, we visualize a whole bunch of trans
Speaker 1: folks standing to get information and I love the word.
Speaker 2: Collective, as do I.
Speaker 1: So we did do that, but we did that from
Speaker 1: the sofa. Anything I do from the sofa doesn't feel.
Speaker 3: Like work at all.
Speaker 1: You know, the dog's cuddled up next to me. So
Speaker 1: it was fine. But you know, we had to do
Speaker 1: that because we skipped one week and we've never between
Speaker 1: the two of us, we have never skipped a Thursday
Speaker 1: since Elizabeth took over twelve years ago. We're there right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I've been there for a solid five
Speaker 1: and we have never let a Thursday go by. But
Speaker 1: the center was going to a point and overseer, I'm
Speaker 1: just going to use that word, a paid employee to
Speaker 1: attend all of our meetings. And that did not sit
Speaker 1: well because there's no one on their staff who has
Speaker 1: ever even been to a Transway meeting, let alone understands
Speaker 1: what happens or the cadence of it, or who the
Speaker 1: long term members are or how it operates or nothing.
Speaker 1: They understand nothing. So that was insulting and yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: next exactly, So we did what we had to do
Speaker 1: to get it up and running. And then this past
Speaker 1: Thursday we were there twenty two members on the call,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a healthy number of folks for
Speaker 1: any week. But yeah, yeah, we're moving on. There is
Speaker 1: an article in PGN we can actually link to it
Speaker 1: in the episode notes that tells our story and quotes
Speaker 1: a press release from the center that is, we say
Speaker 1: thin and full of holes, but whatever, I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: when you have to come up pretend you had a
Speaker 1: program and a plan, you know, and you pay pr
Speaker 1: people to create a narrative, I guess you get what
Speaker 1: you get, right. We just told the truth from our perspective,
Speaker 1: right and you know, personally, and I can't believe that
Speaker 1: we haven't interviewed Elizabeth on the show. But Elizabeth is
Speaker 1: one of my mentors and sister mama girlfriends who kept
Speaker 1: me alive you know, when I really needed trans people
Speaker 1: to lean on and learn from. And I will not
Speaker 1: see how disrespected in the manner she was right. I
Speaker 1: won't be there for that. That was also right there. Anyway,
Speaker 1: That's the only thing we did last Sunday this weekend,
Speaker 1: I had class and I got my pedicure touched up,
Speaker 1: and we went and had some food. Yeah, and here
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 2: But before that, you were extra special, crunchy, busy things
Speaker 2: we haven't gotten to talk about yet.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean you mean still in June. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So backing up, June was packed. On the twenty ninth
Speaker 1: of June, I spoke at the Woodbury Heart and Soul's
Speaker 1: inaugural pride event.
Speaker 2: Yes, you did.
Speaker 1: We have tape of that, right, Are we going to
Speaker 1: share any of.
Speaker 2: That or sure, we can put it on our YouTube.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that'll be available. But yeah, so I spoke
Speaker 1: there in God, it was hot that day, it really was.
Speaker 1: But then the thirtieth of June, we attended Governor Phil
Speaker 1: Murphy's Phil and Tammy Murphy's pride reception, yes, which included
Speaker 1: the Lieutenant governor and all kind of mover and shakers
Speaker 1: in the state. And we were there and that was
Speaker 1: an honor, it truly was to be invited to the
Speaker 1: Governor's mansion.
Speaker 2: And aka drum fuck it, drum bracket, which is just
Speaker 2: so much fun to say.
Speaker 1: I know, right, well, I acknowledged, as you know, someone
Speaker 1: invited to that party. Yeah, yeah, it was cool. It
Speaker 1: was and we took pictures just to make sure that
Speaker 1: you know, any of these bitches that want to say
Speaker 1: we weren't there.
Speaker 2: Right, you can see those pictures on our Instagram and
Speaker 2: our Facebook and our threads on our social media, I
Speaker 2: guess is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: One more thing is happening. So in June, we had
Speaker 1: our twenty fourth spaghetti dinner, our Trends and non binary
Speaker 1: community dinner started with about I don't know, fifteen twenty people,
Speaker 1: and we've consistently drawn about forty folks and all kinds
Speaker 1: of different folks.
Speaker 2: So that makes this month the silver one, right in
Speaker 2: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Silver, I guess, well, yeah, it's fifties gold. But it's
Speaker 1: our two year anniversary. So we began in July of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three and now so in July of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, we're celebrating our two year anniversary at the
Speaker 1: next dinner on the fourth Sunday of July. We have
Speaker 1: not missed one month of coming together and building community,
Speaker 1: and I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been fun, and you've been my bunny. You
Speaker 1: go every time.
Speaker 2: I only missed one.
Speaker 1: I think that's all right.
Speaker 2: I think I think that was the very first one.
Speaker 1: Did you miss the first one?
Speaker 2: I missed the very first one because that's the one
Speaker 2: that uh, Julia was at and I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: Yes, Julia, Yes, yes, Julius Gotti was there. Julius Scotti
Speaker 1: came to that first one. Elizabeth was there. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: was some good pictures from the very first one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've had folks dropping it out from all over
Speaker 1: the state and oh the region, just to kind of
Speaker 1: come in and have spaghetti.
Speaker 3: It's been good.
Speaker 2: It's it's always a fun time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it always says so that that is another
Speaker 1: thing we will celebrate in July.
Speaker 2: So we lost some people, yeah, since the last time
Speaker 2: we spoke. Yes, and because we've had some really cool interviews. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we had our minisowed from when you spoke and
Speaker 2: Pittman right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the first time in a month
Speaker 2: and some change maybe that.
Speaker 1: We've recorded it sounds right. July was June was a blur. Yeah, truly,
Speaker 1: June was a blur.
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, a bunch of folks have passed sly Stone,
Speaker 2: yesly Stone passed away.
Speaker 1: Sly in the family Stone, not Sylva. Well that's stillw Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, that's stillone. Yes, sly stillone.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, so sly Stone, Yeah, well yeah that's the way.
Speaker 4: Yes, at eighty two, at eighty two, completely different people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sly Stone was. I am sad to say that
Speaker 2: I did not realize how powerful and influential sly and
Speaker 2: the Family Stone were until we saw Summer of Soul
Speaker 2: h and saw the impact that they had. Plus you know,
Speaker 2: hearing people musicians talk about their influence because there's always
Speaker 2: there's been a bunch of songs by them that I like, right,
Speaker 2: But yeah, they sly Stone was like a game changer apparently.
Speaker 1: But much of their work predates your existence, right.
Speaker 2: Not my mind, but yes, ye, just thing. I start
Speaker 2: to say, not by much, and then I realized Summer
Speaker 2: of Soul was sixty nine and they were already well
Speaker 2: established by then. So yes, yes, they do predate.
Speaker 3: Me all.
Speaker 2: But yeah, one of the first bands to like play
Speaker 2: funk and R and B and soul and be like integrated.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, that was the thing. They had a white dude,
Speaker 2: I forget, he's on bass or drums, some rhythm rhythm,
Speaker 2: rhythm center and people.
Speaker 1: Were like, oh shit, it's possible.
Speaker 2: It's definitely possible. So yeah, rest in power to Slice Stone. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Ananda Lewis passed away. She was young, fifty two,
Speaker 2: fifty two yeah, and that younger and younger, huh right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Ananda Lewis was like she was an it girl on MTV.
Speaker 2: She was VJ. She was the original host of Total
Speaker 2: Request Live before Carson Daley took over. And she was
Speaker 2: just like the epitome of young and coool. You know,
Speaker 2: she knew everybody. Everybody knew her. And this is when
Speaker 2: I was still paying attention to MTV. Okay, and I
Speaker 2: thought she was very cool. And so she passed away
Speaker 2: in the beginning of June, like June eleventh. She lost
Speaker 2: her battle with breast cancer. Yeah, so rest in peace
Speaker 2: to the it girl Ananda Lewis.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So John Robins and John Robins like I believe
Speaker 1: I have the book for a New America. He was
Speaker 1: a pioneer in the plant based movement and a leading voice.
Speaker 1: He died at seventy seven. Here's the He was from
Speaker 1: the Baskin Robins ice Cream Empire. That's his legacy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where he grew up and he abandoned all of
Speaker 1: it to speak out about you know, the dairy industry
Speaker 1: and you know, the unethical treatment of animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess you can't. You can't do both.
Speaker 1: Yeah. In his early thirties, and you know, and he
Speaker 1: wrote Diet for a New America, which you know, drew
Speaker 1: upon actual studies, environmental research, personal testimony criticizing the American
Speaker 1: food system. Within months, he became a sought after speaker,
Speaker 1: media guest, appeared on national programs like Oprah, Donahues, CBS
Speaker 1: This Morning, and the book sold more than one million copies,
Speaker 1: cited by many predecessors.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: He did a documentary in ninety one, and you know,
Speaker 1: he he was of the you know, T Colin Campbell,
Speaker 1: John McDougall, that whole who all of a sudden. The reason,
Speaker 1: you know, that whole group of folks talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to reverse heart disease, et cetera with diet
Speaker 1: based diet is medicine.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And he co founded the Food Revolution Network with his
Speaker 1: son in twenty twelve, Ocean Robins.
Speaker 3: Yeah, huh.
Speaker 2: I did not make that connection between him.
Speaker 1: And basketball really, Yeah, isn't that interesting? That is because
Speaker 1: you know, he looked around at what dairy does and
Speaker 1: how we shouldn't eat it.
Speaker 2: I guess that's why they made the concession to have
Speaker 2: non dairy options.
Speaker 1: Do they have them now? I believe so, Mom, It's
Speaker 1: about time. But yeah, he was a fascinating guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I hate it every time one of them dies too young,
Speaker 1: Like seventy seven is not old anymore to me, right,
Speaker 1: I want late eighties or later to say, well, they
Speaker 1: lived a good life, you know what I mean, seventy
Speaker 1: seven is long.
Speaker 2: Well we do that though, like Black people especially, but
Speaker 2: folks in general do that like they were ninety seven
Speaker 2: years old, so young.
Speaker 1: So say I don't do that with ninety seven ninety seven.
Speaker 1: I'm like, so young, we should I say, we should
Speaker 1: all get ninety seven years taken for us too soon,
Speaker 1: you know. And I always say, if they're healthy years, right.
Speaker 1: You know, My father died at seventy nine, but he
Speaker 1: was other than the lung cancer healthy until he died, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and doing the things he wanted to do,
Speaker 1: tending his garden and you know, holding his great granddaughter
Speaker 1: and those things.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: My mother did live to eighty seven, but those last
Speaker 1: five years at least weren't good right, you know, house
Speaker 1: bound and falling, And.
Speaker 2: I mean that makes a difference. It also makes a difference,
Speaker 2: like you know what kind of person you are and
Speaker 2: what kind of life you've lived, because probably there's certain
Speaker 2: people that when they pass you don't hear so soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody said that about us.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like, well, that took longer than I thought
Speaker 2: it would.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of peace at last.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not saying that about your mom.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm not saying you're saying her sister
Speaker 1: said it. Oh, I'm just repeating it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that was you know, it's become part of my story
Speaker 1: for you know, good better. Otherwise we had a complicated relationship.
Speaker 1: She had a complicated relationship with almost everyone, and I
Speaker 1: it took me a while to reconcile. And you were
Speaker 1: there in the room. I sobbed at her bedside when
Speaker 1: she took her last breath. I sobbed uncontrollably, and it
Speaker 1: took me a while to say. It wasn't grief, it
Speaker 1: was relief, right, And that's just the truth. I mean,
Speaker 1: I loved her. She was a force, and God was
Speaker 1: she a pain in my ass and the asses of
Speaker 1: many you know around her, and people loved and adored
Speaker 1: my mother. If she didn't give birth to you, it
Speaker 1: was much more likely that you thought she was a
Speaker 1: really cool broad. You know, she was funny, she was smart,
Speaker 1: she was loyal to her friends. But again, nobody's one thing.
Speaker 1: And wow, what a complicated human, right, So how do
Speaker 1: we get on talks?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no one said oh too soon, No one said
Speaker 1: too soon. We were all like, finally, finally sober.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Lynn Hamilton someone who we did not say, right.
Speaker 1: Finally Sanford and Sons, the Waltons died at ninety five.
Speaker 1: We should all see ninety five years, I say.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Lynn Hamilton. She was of a group of
Speaker 2: black actors that like if she showed up in the
Speaker 2: cameo on your show, that was one of the best
Speaker 2: episodes that everyone remembered, like off the top of my head,
Speaker 2: you know, besides her playing Donna on Sanford and.
Speaker 1: Son Fred's girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Yes, yep, I think of her.
Speaker 3: She was.
Speaker 2: One of the matriarchs of It was the episode of
Speaker 2: the Golden Girls when Dorothy's son was Dayton Roslyn h
Speaker 2: huh and like Dorothy side of the family was like,
Speaker 2: she's old, and then Rosalind Carrish's side of the family
Speaker 2: was like, he's white, right, and like it was it
Speaker 2: was Roslin Cash.
Speaker 3: And what's white?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: No? She was black? Who Roslin Cash?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do I have my Cashes? Next up? You must I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of who's Johnny Cash's daughter?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Not Rosalind.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I've seen. Now I'm being stupid. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I have to know who is Roslyn.
Speaker 3: Cash?
Speaker 1: Who I'm thinking of Roseanne Cash? No, very in mind
Speaker 1: I am. I'm thinking like, and I'm like, shean black? Oh,
Speaker 1: Rosalind Cash's yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, Omega Man Yes,
Speaker 1: Mary may Ward in General Hospital, got it, got it?
Speaker 1: Gosh she died ninety five, she did. I didn't realize that,
Speaker 1: but okay, now I got it. I got you right?
Speaker 2: Yes, And and I just picture uh Lynn Hamilton talking
Speaker 2: about Dorothy's son calling him a skinny white by way.
Speaker 1: Well right, Well that.
Speaker 2: Was also the episode of the Golden Girls that got pulled.
Speaker 2: Remember during the pandemic when they were doing all these
Speaker 2: superficial changes that no one fucking asked for?
Speaker 1: Is that when Antemima left the label.
Speaker 2: Yes, no one asked for.
Speaker 1: These Pearl Baking Company. Pearl.
Speaker 2: They did everything except you know, battle, battle, police, brutality,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 1: Let's do all these performative things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they pulled the that episode of the Golden
Speaker 2: Girls off of streaming because it's also the episode where
Speaker 2: Blanche and Rose were doing beauty treatments and so they
Speaker 2: were doing mud masks and they walked in with their faces.
Speaker 3: Right yeah, And.
Speaker 2: They pulled that episode because of all the things right
Speaker 2: well right, yeah. Anyway, so Lynn Hamilton was someone who
Speaker 2: was highly regarded and formidable.
Speaker 1: Yes, and one of those people who you might not
Speaker 1: have known her name, but you knew her when you
Speaker 1: saw her.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 2: She was just and everything she was in is made
Speaker 2: better just by her.
Speaker 1: Presence, yes, yes, yes, yes, and rest in power to her. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: This one is a nerd entry from me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I don't know who this is.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of July, Jim Shooter died, who was
Speaker 2: a comic editor for Marvel Comics and he created the
Speaker 2: Secret Wars. He died at seventy three. Secret Wars is
Speaker 2: actually going to be in the movies at some point
Speaker 2: in the next couple of years. But Secret Wars was
Speaker 2: like crazy because like, for one thing, it's it's the
Speaker 2: series where the black Suit for Spider Man was introduced,
Speaker 2: and it was like, you know, all the different heroes
Speaker 2: were sucked onto this like strange planet and forced to
Speaker 2: like battle because like the good guys were on this
Speaker 2: side and the bad guys were on this side. And
Speaker 2: it was like all the different characters from all the
Speaker 2: different titles were in one space together. It was a
Speaker 2: whole thing. And I remember one day I was in
Speaker 2: the bookstore in the Gallery. So this should tell you
Speaker 2: give you a time period.
Speaker 1: The Gallery existed and they had a bookstore exactly nineties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think the it lasted into
Speaker 2: like the early like maybe two thousand and maybe. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So I was in the bookstore and I was just
Speaker 2: like perusing things, and I saw like a full trade
Speaker 2: book of Secret Wars, like all of the issues in
Speaker 2: one book, and I distinctly remember gasping audibly like I
Speaker 2: was in a telenovella. Like I went and then I
Speaker 2: grabbed it and I ran and I paid for it
Speaker 2: and ran home to read it. Okay, And so Jim
Speaker 2: Shooter brought that joy into my life, and I am
Speaker 2: grateful all right.
Speaker 1: Michael Madison is another one of those like that guy
Speaker 1: that was in that thing. Yes, you know his face
Speaker 1: even if you didn't know his name right.
Speaker 2: Well, he's most famous for being in several of Quentin
Speaker 2: Tarantino's films. Yes, he was. I think mister White. I
Speaker 2: think was his character in Reservoir Dogs. He had that
Speaker 2: infamous scene where he's dancing in the warehouse to stuck
Speaker 2: in the middle with you and then he like has
Speaker 2: the cop tied to the chair and he cuts his
Speaker 2: hair off and that Yeah, is that. He played Bill's
Speaker 2: brother Bud and kill Bill. Yeah he was. He was
Speaker 2: that dude. It's cool, dude. I was a fan. So
Speaker 2: it's said that he passed away.
Speaker 1: Yeah at sixty seven. Yeah, young, so not that old.
Speaker 1: Still young.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Speaking of young, Julian McMahon, I know, a shock to me.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to star Wars. He was fifty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't like it when they're younger than me. I know,
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I am also gone well yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I discovered Julia McMahon along with a lot of
Speaker 2: people because of Niptok and then you know he for
Speaker 2: better or for Worse was Doctor Doom. In the first
Speaker 2: Fantastic Four movie chaw.
Speaker 1: A fe I most wanted. That was on TV, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was known for being you know, that charismatic actor.
Speaker 2: I was a fan. I was a fan. I appreciated him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. I liked his work. And again,
Speaker 1: one of those people whose face you knew. Even if
Speaker 1: you didn't know his name, you probably knew him, you know,
Speaker 1: less than the former. But still, I'm so young, I know. Sorry, cancer,
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, yeah, that sucks.
Speaker 2: Still a couple more, Yeah, Carla Maxwell passed away. Carla
Speaker 2: Maxwell was a heavy hitter in the concert dance world.
Speaker 2: She basically took over the Jose Lamone company after he
Speaker 2: passed away and kept it moving, kept the repertory going,
Speaker 2: and was the first example of a modern dance company
Speaker 2: being able to move forward after the founder passed away,
Speaker 2: really because everyone was like, there's no way, like the companies.
Speaker 1: Have to continue, right, and she was like, the hell,
Speaker 1: and that's amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Lamone company was just in town.
Speaker 1: Yeah last year or earlier this year, they're still there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you know, I got to work with some
Speaker 2: productions of Lamone Repertory. I didn't get to work with
Speaker 2: her obviously, but you know, to do the work, you
Speaker 2: have to have like the official like stamp, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: she kept his his legacy moving on for decades and
Speaker 2: decades after he passed. She was became the autistic director
Speaker 2: in seventy seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, when did Judith Jamison take over al? I was
Speaker 1: thinking that because I'm thinking they had a similar because
Speaker 1: now that I said that, I'm wondering what the story
Speaker 1: women who Carried Forward?
Speaker 2: Jules Jamison took over Alien eighty nine, okay.
Speaker 1: Right, because he was still here before that, right, okay, right,
Speaker 1: so you know we can rightly call her a pioneer, yes,
Speaker 1: you know, and the first to prove it could be done.
Speaker 1: But again it's been done since. Look at me with
Speaker 1: my dance education by injections, Sorry.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Lamone, I like Lamone, like dancing it. I
Speaker 2: like dancing it more than I like watching it. But
Speaker 2: it's definitely an important and foundational style and technique in
Speaker 2: the modern dance millie.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you like what you like, right, You're
Speaker 1: moved by what you're moved by, right, and that's just
Speaker 1: going to always be I think. I mean it's like wine,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean well, you don't like it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter how technical it is, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: how precise it is, you don't like it. You don't
Speaker 1: like it, and move along.
Speaker 2: To be fair. Like the Lamone works that I've seen,
Speaker 2: they were all way more theatrical than they were like
Speaker 2: dancy dance dance.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I probably would have loved them.
Speaker 2: I'm peppered by that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the athleticism that arguably came later,
Speaker 1: right in modern dance. Right, I love it. I'm riveted.
Speaker 2: Yes, especially, yes, especially like Bendy Boys.
Speaker 1: Ninety three fingers, seven fingers, seven seven fingers. I love, yes,
Speaker 1: most mostly naked bendy boys. But I mean I love
Speaker 1: those people who keep pushing the envelope. Yes, and especially
Speaker 1: when they incorporate more naked voice and that athleticism and
Speaker 1: and the humor that can go along with it. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's just what bodies and shadows can do and lighting,
Speaker 1: and you know.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I also, you know, I love you know, good modern ballet.
Speaker 1: I've been verveted by ballet X And who did we
Speaker 1: most recently see And I said, you know he did
Speaker 1: the you know peace, he's doing a residency. Oh my
Speaker 1: god icon hip hop icon.
Speaker 2: Oh ready, ready, thank.
Speaker 1: You Rennie's last piece. And again riveted, you know, and
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it was over, like you know, because I'm riveted.
Speaker 1: I love all kinds of dance.
Speaker 2: Yes, I was still thinking modern in ballet, that's why.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that. But no, but again it's you know
Speaker 1: it really it does come down to your taste and
Speaker 1: what you enjoy, like a little bit of everything. But
Speaker 1: you know, put your thinking a thing but fun to dance,
Speaker 1: which how would I know?
Speaker 3: But you know I do, you did.
Speaker 2: Exactly And finally, yes, this is our most recent loss,
Speaker 2: Jewel Tye Williams.
Speaker 1: Who found Uls Catch One.
Speaker 2: Yes, which there is a delightful documentary. Yes there is,
Speaker 2: I believe called Jewels Catch One.
Speaker 3: I believe it is.
Speaker 2: She just passed away at eighty six.
Speaker 3: Eighty six, yeah, like last week.
Speaker 1: Damn yeah it is now closed. Yeah, it was in
Speaker 1: La mm hmmm. She died on June seventh, son and
Speaker 1: for decades, the mid City nightclub known to regulars as
Speaker 1: The Catch was Ellie's hallid Sanctuary four black queer women
Speaker 1: and a welcoming dance Laura for trans, gay and musically
Speaker 1: adventurous revelers. YEP artists like Elia Fitzgerald, Madonna, and Whitney
Speaker 1: Houston sacheted down Catch One's winding halls, while the indomitable
Speaker 1: Tyus Williams fended off police harassment and led care programs during.
Speaker 3: The height of the AIDS crisis.
Speaker 1: The catch was singularly important to the development of black
Speaker 1: and queer nightlife in LA and belongs beside New York's
Speaker 1: Paradise Garage and Chicago's Warehouse in any account of the
Speaker 1: most important nightclubs in America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you go.
Speaker 1: It opened in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, The Catch One is one of those places
Speaker 2: that I wish I had visited just to see it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was.
Speaker 1: Kind of a West Coast studio fifty four. Yeah, Donna, Summer,
Speaker 1: Chokat Khan, Sylvester Rick James, Evelyn Champagne King performed to
Speaker 1: pack rooms. Celebrities like Sharon Stone and Woopie Goldberg attended
Speaker 1: the parties glad for wild nights out away from the
Speaker 1: paparazzi in Hollywood. What a legacy, right. Yeah. After the
Speaker 1: sale of the building, the importance of the club came
Speaker 1: into sharper focus, and there was a twenty eighteen Netflix
Speaker 1: documentary Jules Catch one yep, I was right, produced by
Speaker 1: Ava Duvernet.
Speaker 2: Really yes, oh okay, I work.
Speaker 1: Her company, Hoorray, and it highlighted the impact on LA nightlife,
Speaker 1: the broader music scene.
Speaker 3: Of the era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a good one.
Speaker 1: It was the last black owned queer nightclub in La.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When it was sold, that was the first time
Speaker 2: that I had ever heard of it. When we saw
Speaker 2: that documentary.
Speaker 1: I know, right, And it's a wonderful chunk of our
Speaker 1: history that we didn't know. Yeah, we just we didn't
Speaker 1: know happening now in the most because so many stories
Speaker 1: need to be told, and we're told and shared. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so rest in power, jewel Tye Williams.
Speaker 3: Indeed eighty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break and then we'll come
Speaker 1: back with some good news. We'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: So I saved this one for good news. Jimmy Swaggert
Speaker 1: is dead. If you can't say any thing.
Speaker 2: You're only supposed to say good things dead.
Speaker 3: He's dead.
Speaker 1: Good, That's all I got.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I couldn't. I couldn't, you know, talk about
Speaker 1: him anywhere near the icons and contributors.
Speaker 3: We just spoke of, right.
Speaker 2: I think the post that I initially saw was like,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Swaggert is dead, so here's my recipe for Raspberry squares.
Speaker 1: Serious? And that bitch lived to ninety I know. I
Speaker 1: mean he had been ousted years ago, right by scandal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his whole fire and brimstone bullshit stuff.
Speaker 2: I'll just picture him sweating in lion.
Speaker 1: Well that's what he did. He sweated, he lied, and
Speaker 1: he was part of the moral majority, and the voices
Speaker 1: that regan led into the party because their numbers were
Speaker 1: you know, dwindling, and they took over and made it
Speaker 1: the maga that it is today. Yes, so we all
Speaker 1: have all of that, you know, to thank Jimmy swagger for.
Speaker 2: I'm not suggesting that people should dance on his grave.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if you do, do a little left right.
Speaker 1: For me and piss on it while you're there, just saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like he find I guess he finally got
Speaker 1: caught cheating on his wife. I think that's what happened, right,
Speaker 1: And the assemblies of God defract. There's there's a Oh,
Speaker 1: I can tell you stories. They ran the Second Christian School.
Speaker 1: I went to. The Pentecostals have basically two sects. There's
Speaker 1: probably others, but the two I know about are the
Speaker 1: United Pentecostals and the Assemblies of God Pentecostals. They both
Speaker 1: believe that everyone who is in them are going straight
Speaker 1: to hell. One group makes their win and grow their hair,
Speaker 1: and they're not a let of wear makeup and they
Speaker 1: have to wear skirts. The other group is just crazy.
Speaker 1: But they're all kind of snake handlers, even if they've
Speaker 1: given up the snakes anyways.
Speaker 2: Lest by snakes you mean Dick's, in which case they're
Speaker 2: not letting those go.
Speaker 1: Well both theyja frocked Swagger in nineteen eighty eight after
Speaker 1: he disobeyed their one year suspension by taking the pulpit
Speaker 1: again after about three months. He said he regretted parting
Speaker 1: from the Assemblies, but insisted that to refrain from preaching
Speaker 1: for a year would have ruined his television minister in money.
Speaker 2: His money is much, she used to.
Speaker 1: Phil Anas, I'll g I'll give him them, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the dim who were seeking absolutism flocked to him.
Speaker 2: So wait, Jimmy's Jerry Farwell, who was ptl Oh Jim Baker,
Speaker 2: Jim Baker, Jim and right what we're plied.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. It doesn't matter. It was like
Speaker 1: the Gospel Hour of some bullshit. They all had a
Speaker 1: slightly different thing. The other baby one was you know
Speaker 1: the seven hundred Club, which was Pat Robertson right, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker finally died. Yeah, he going to I was just
Speaker 1: trying to remember what a fucking see. If these are
Speaker 1: the people that made it to heaven, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he ain't there.
Speaker 1: If there is a hell, these are the people who
Speaker 1: belong there, yep, because there wasn't one. They were a
Speaker 1: thing Jesus said about the ones who lead them astray.
Speaker 1: He was certainly one of them. He was one of
Speaker 1: those voices that took other West sane people and.
Speaker 3: Did what he did.
Speaker 1: And we're all still paying for it anyway. Dead good yep.
Speaker 1: Next back toward the end of June, Delaware Governor Matt
Speaker 1: Meyer signed an executive order increasing protection for receivers and
Speaker 1: providers of gender affirm and care. Good on them. I
Speaker 1: want to see it made into a state law. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to say this, you know, I'm saying this now,
Speaker 1: and I have in New Jersey, codify the shit before
Speaker 1: Murphy's out of office. You know, the legislature is going
Speaker 1: to stay blue. I'm not going to get into the
Speaker 1: politics of it all, but God damn it, everything that
Speaker 1: we only have now by executive order, we should have
Speaker 1: and deserve to have right codified into law before Governor
Speaker 1: Murphy leaves. I don't give a shit who else is
Speaker 1: coming into office. That's probably Mike Key what's her name? Right,
Speaker 1: But anyway, I don't see it being a Republican in
Speaker 1: the current climate. But what do I know. But at
Speaker 1: any rate, take that lame duck session and please, please
Speaker 1: in New Jersey codify at all until law. So you know,
Speaker 1: I appreciate executive orders, but they can only last as
Speaker 1: long as the governor. And you know, God knows your
Speaker 1: congress person isn't going to help you anyway. Good on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A high court in India, oh yeah, June sixteenth said
Speaker 1: that Indian law cannot deny transgender women recognition as women
Speaker 1: solely because they cannot bear children. So that was a win.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: A trans woman born male and later transitioning to female
Speaker 1: is legally entitled to recognition as a woman. The court
Speaker 1: emphasized This recognition is enshrined in Articles fourteen, fifteen, and
Speaker 1: twenty one of the Constitution, which guarantee equality before the law.
Speaker 1: Of course, a zurscotis is showing doesn't fucking matter what
Speaker 1: equal protection is. If you got enough yahoos corrupting your court,
Speaker 1: then anything can happen anyway. Good on India.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, jd Vance became the most blocked account
Speaker 1: on blue Sky after an anti transpost. No surprise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no surprise.
Speaker 2: The Blue Sky is not here for people's bullshit.
Speaker 1: And good good. An angry gay grandpa with stage four
Speaker 1: cancer was punished for trying to stop transith suicides. He
Speaker 1: glued himself to a rail oh in the Pennsylvania State Capitol, YEP,
Speaker 1: to get a transphobic senator's attention. His name is James Lance.
Speaker 2: Now see, you're gluing yourself to something that's actually relevant
Speaker 2: to the thing that you're protesting.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly I'm going to get into the soup of
Speaker 1: it all. But yes, thank you. And then he was
Speaker 1: ordered to pay sixteen, five hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: for damage to the state capitol and a two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars fine to the court as part of a plea deal.
Speaker 2: Yeai.
Speaker 1: He is a sixty four year old documentary filmmaker from Vermont.
Speaker 1: He traveled to Harrisburg in April of twenty four to
Speaker 1: confront Ryan Allmant, Republican of course, whose district in Lancaster
Speaker 1: County saw five suicides by trans youth over eighteen months,
Speaker 1: as Ryan promoted anti trans legislation from his state Senate seat.
Speaker 1: Yeah they're connected, of course they awn ah. While in
Speaker 1: the fourth floor of Visitors Gallery, Lance disrupted a Senate
Speaker 1: session for several minutes, shouting at him and throwing flyers
Speaker 1: onto the Senate floor before gluing his hand to them.
Speaker 1: You are culpable for the deaths of five trans children. Yep,
Speaker 1: God forbid, we tell the truth. He had reached out
Speaker 1: previously on six occasions to meet with the Senator, but
Speaker 1: never received a response. He's documented the rise of anti transit,
Speaker 1: anti LGBTQ rhetoric and legislation on his website, Angry Gay Grandpa.
Speaker 1: Some took issue with his description of his protests as peaceful.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's.
Speaker 2: Glue, Like yeah, really, it's glue.
Speaker 1: The money spent repairing damage done. Fuck all of you exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what, because your party is still responsible for
Speaker 1: January sixth in our nation's capital, and I'm never going
Speaker 1: to forget.
Speaker 2: And I'm getting sick and tired of this whole Like
Speaker 2: peaceful protest doesn't involve the destruction of property?
Speaker 1: The fuck it doesn't.
Speaker 2: First of all, First of all, who the fuck said
Speaker 2: we're trying to be peaceful anymore? Y'all want it to
Speaker 2: be peaceful. Y'all want it to just be marching and singing.
Speaker 2: Y'all wanted to go back to you know, the whatever
Speaker 2: the what you perceive to be the shiny happy kumbaya
Speaker 2: protests of uh.
Speaker 1: Which never the civil rights days. I'm sorry that that
Speaker 1: never happened. There were fire hoses.
Speaker 2: Remember, we want to talk about the people that are
Speaker 2: just sitting still. We don't want to talk about the
Speaker 2: dogs and the fire hoses and the batons. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? So fuck peaceful? Whatever happened that? No justice,
Speaker 2: no peace?
Speaker 1: That's next, bitches, No peace, no justice, no peace.
Speaker 2: People try to say and ask whooping never changed anyone's mind.
Speaker 2: I'll just I up that with World War two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let let's remember the Pennsylvania Senate is still
Speaker 1: red and they behave accordingly. And your party has so
Speaker 1: much blood on its hands we can't begin to detail it.
Speaker 1: But you know, I hope he never pays that bill exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the thing, like.
Speaker 1: He knows the stage four cancer exactly.
Speaker 2: He's like, I got nutting to lose. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to be a pain in all of your asses.
Speaker 1: I know what good and how many people, how many
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have known this particular act of it.
Speaker 1: Not this man, but many like him who said I
Speaker 1: got nothing left to lose, right, and they created a
Speaker 1: change because of it.
Speaker 2: This is he wants this to be his legacy work.
Speaker 2: I'm here for it.
Speaker 1: Good good, And he didn't glue himself to a painting.
Speaker 2: Right, because art ain't never hurt nobody. These motherfuckers, however.
Speaker 1: Republican senate in Pennsylvania, across this nation, sure.
Speaker 2: I'm waiting for someone to glue themselves directly to an
Speaker 2: angry white man.
Speaker 1: But nobody wants to be glued to one of those.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a room with them.
Speaker 3: Loan, No, you're.
Speaker 4: Going to hear what I have, because then it defends
Speaker 4: on where is Because you know, he's going to try
Speaker 4: to turn around and fuck me and I'm not there
Speaker 4: for that, and then lie about it.
Speaker 1: You know how that goes.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they love us at night and then they legislate
Speaker 1: in the morning. Oh shop, I'm just saying we're not
Speaker 1: recording weekly, or we would have mentioned all of the
Speaker 1: Republicans that were, you know, arrested for child pornography or
Speaker 1: child assault or you know, all of those things, because
Speaker 1: there are many. But yeah, we're just hitting the highlights
Speaker 1: because it's been a minute. You know what, Let's just
Speaker 1: move right into our favorite segment.
Speaker 5: People taking pleasure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do we have. This is from a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, but it's still so juicy that it's
Speaker 2: worth talking.
Speaker 3: It really was.
Speaker 1: The pictures were so sad.
Speaker 2: The hetero Awesome fest and Idaho. First of all, if
Speaker 2: awesome is in the name of your event, it ain't.
Speaker 1: I know, I know. It's like when you call yourself
Speaker 1: a DV A girl, exactly girl, you is not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the festival, go sit down.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 2: It was barely hetero.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: Nothing awesome about it, and I wouldn't call it a fest. No,
Speaker 1: tens of people showed.
Speaker 2: Up, threes of sevens of people.
Speaker 1: Fighting, low attendance and a racism scandal. How exciting.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because some fucking podcast was recording live and
Speaker 2: they were saying, how you know the town was so
Speaker 2: nice and clean and quiet, and then he leaned to
Speaker 2: the mic and said, there's no black people here?
Speaker 1: Who said that?
Speaker 2: The host of the podcast?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah wow. So it was one of those podcasts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the ones that give everyone else like because there's.
Speaker 1: That whole name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going, yeah, there's that whole thing now, like
Speaker 2: how podcasts are bad and not helpful. It's like, no,
Speaker 2: y'all are just seeing these white yahoos with microphones screaming
Speaker 2: lies and hateful rhetoric, and those are the ones getting attention.
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But then you have folks.
Speaker 1: Like us but never the right question exactly.
Speaker 2: You have folks like us who actually give a shit
Speaker 2: about what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: You know, what's that meme that said he never asked
Speaker 1: questions about the patriarchy or capitalism exactly, any of the
Speaker 1: things he should be asking questions about. Right, It's almost
Speaker 1: like he ain't about shit.
Speaker 2: Right, That's that double edged sword. Anyone can have a
Speaker 2: podcast however that means, that means anyone anyway.
Speaker 1: I know, but they flocked to them.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: He placates all of their insecurities. He makes them feel
Speaker 1: better about themselves because women have had, like most of us,
Speaker 1: are done trying to make you feel better about that
Speaker 1: little dick.
Speaker 2: So you need Joe Rogan to help you explain your
Speaker 2: life to you and say it's our fault. I was
Speaker 2: in an uber and the white driver was like, is
Speaker 2: it okay if I'm listening to a podcast? And I
Speaker 2: was like, sure, I don't care, that's cool. He's like,
Speaker 2: it's Joe Rogan. I immediately gave him one star Daigan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nope, not that one. And baby, if you don't
Speaker 1: know better, you know, I ain't here to cheech.
Speaker 2: I was already listening to whatever I was going to
Speaker 2: listen to anyway. Just why didn't know. But once he
Speaker 2: said Joe Rogan, nope, one star, fuck you. And I
Speaker 2: believe my my justification for my one star was the
Speaker 2: lack of cleanly in the vehicle, because I counted that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well that did filthy it.
Speaker 2: Up right anyway. So the fucking hetero awesome Fest held
Speaker 2: in Boise Idah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people actually go to pride events exactly. They managed
Speaker 1: to draw attention for all the wrong reasons. I say,
Speaker 1: just four dozen people attended two's of fives of people.
Speaker 1: About thirty to fifty I guess, depending on whether AI
Speaker 1: was involved in your photograph or not attended Hetero Awesome
Speaker 1: Fest across the two days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and most of those were queer people looking to
Speaker 2: see what.
Speaker 1: Was up right, Like, what the fuck is you doing?
Speaker 2: I think there were more queer people at the Hetero
Speaker 2: Awesome Fest than hetero people.
Speaker 1: This is roughly the size of the Self Proclaim aimed
Speaker 1: world's smallest Pride parade in twenty twenty three, held in
Speaker 1: a neighborhood of around forty people. Similar straight pride events
Speaker 1: have a long history of attracting laughably low turnout. One
Speaker 1: event in California in twenty nineteen turned out just twenty
Speaker 1: attendees in comparison to the two hundred pro LGBTQ plus protesters,
Speaker 1: and an event the same year in Texas organized by
Speaker 1: the people who hosted Boston's failed straight Pride parade attracted
Speaker 1: just three people, one of whom later said she did
Speaker 1: not know what the event was whatever and rebuked it
Speaker 1: a street. She could have just been walking by and
Speaker 1: stopped to look.
Speaker 2: A straight pride parade. Isn't that just traffic?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes it is.
Speaker 1: It's traffic on any given day. The Sal Paulo Gay
Speaker 1: Pride in Brazil is considered the largest pride celebration in
Speaker 1: the world, attracting about three two five a million attendees
Speaker 1: every year.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of fagg It's.
Speaker 1: The largest celebrations in North America are Toronto Pride and
Speaker 1: New York City Pride, which each attract millions annually.
Speaker 2: Yeah. New York Pride is its own animal, Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as they tried it once again, they got a
Speaker 1: wall and they limited the women who are willing to
Speaker 1: fuck them all. In all, it worked out well.
Speaker 2: Now. The best though, is the musician who performed Okay,
Speaker 2: that's this thing. Yeah, Daniel Hamrick was the was one
Speaker 2: of the musicians and he mocked. Yeah. He got up
Speaker 2: on the stage and he like took off his overshirt
Speaker 2: and underneath he had a jacket with a rainbow and
Speaker 2: pink triangle patches on it and a crop top that
Speaker 2: read keep Canyon County Queer. And then he played a
Speaker 2: song titled Boy about a young trans boy. I saw
Speaker 2: the video and the song was fun and it was
Speaker 2: like you could it like took people a while to
Speaker 2: realize what he was saying because nobody's paying attention.
Speaker 1: And well all forty eight of them were talking amongst.
Speaker 2: Themselves, right, and they cut his mic and then like
Speaker 2: made him get off stage.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, no, what that's fun?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a healthy t he behind that shit
Speaker 2: ones of twos of people.
Speaker 1: So maybe this will be the thing. But the Trump
Speaker 1: administration seems to be. First of all, they're starting to
Speaker 1: eat their I mean, just google it, but that you
Speaker 1: know that they're fighting amongst themselves. Yes, and of course
Speaker 1: Musk is trading barbs with Trump, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the horseshit is happening. But somehow the Epstein tapes file
Speaker 1: story have re emerged. Well you know Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein, Epstein.
Speaker 2: Epstein, who cares he did the and didn't kill himself, right, the.
Speaker 1: Child sex trafficker who Donald Trump was I mean quite
Speaker 1: literally in bed with. I mean there's more. There are
Speaker 1: more photographs with Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein than there
Speaker 1: are with his last two kids. He's got more pictures
Speaker 1: with Jeffrey than he does with Tiffany or barn probably
Speaker 1: put together. I'm just saying that what I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they had promised to release the list along with other
Speaker 1: files from the investigation, but they won't. Why could that be?
Speaker 1: Why could that be? I don't know, let's think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Most recently, Elon Musk posted on x alleging that Trump
Speaker 1: is named in the Epstein files. Of course he is saying,
Speaker 1: that's why the administration is withholding them from the public.
Speaker 1: I don't doubt.
Speaker 2: That He's probably not the top of the list.
Speaker 1: Is what it takes for them to tell the truth
Speaker 1: is them to like bruise one another's little fragile heges,
Speaker 1: it's so much fun to watch. He provided no evidence,
Speaker 1: but hey, neither just the president. Since deleted the post,
Speaker 1: Rachel Madow said there is a Jeffrey Epstein Donald Trump's
Speaker 1: subplot in Our Lives Now in which this footage exists,
Speaker 1: and in which the Trump Justice Department put out a
Speaker 1: statement today saying, never mind all the things we ever
Speaker 1: said and hyped and screamed about the late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: Turns out it's all nothing and people should stop asking
Speaker 1: about it. I don't think that's what they said about basically,
Speaker 1: it is right. And then they're like, but if it
Speaker 1: does exist, Hillary did it or something?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, She slammed the DOJ for a newly released memo
Speaker 1: stating that, following an exhaustive review, there was no incriminating
Speaker 1: client list and no further disclosure would be appropriate or warranted.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the memo concluded, of course, that Epstein took his
Speaker 1: own life, attempting to shoot down the widely circulated theory
Speaker 1: that he was murdered in his cell to keep him
Speaker 1: quiet about the clients.
Speaker 2: Because that's what happened. You can's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not even a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 3: That is right.
Speaker 2: Come on, it's not a matter of whether, it's a
Speaker 2: matter of who.
Speaker 1: The kind of Yeah, and I believe that with everything,
Speaker 1: they want us to stop talking about it, and nobody
Speaker 1: is stopping, and people are like burning their maga hats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this might be the thing. I like, we've been telling
Speaker 1: you he's a pedophile. We've been telling you. I mean,
Speaker 1: they knew he was a rapist. They didn't care about that.
Speaker 1: But maybe whatever tapes are out there and whatever evidence
Speaker 1: is out there, maybe this will do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So it's okay for him to grab pussies as long
Speaker 2: as the pussies are of age. I guess I'm.
Speaker 1: Right, But they're not always. And that's the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which never were. This was the whole thing, and they were.
Speaker 1: They were thick as thieves. And you know, it's fun
Speaker 1: about this whole thing when you hire stupid people who
Speaker 1: have no idea what they're doing in the first place.
Speaker 1: Hilarity ensus and it is in suing and they're eating
Speaker 1: their own Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because like there's that video that's resurfacing of
Speaker 2: Robin Williams from an old bit talking about Trump, and
Speaker 2: people are saying, like trying to say Robin Williams was
Speaker 2: like prophetic. He wasn't being prophetic. He was talking about
Speaker 2: what was going on at the time.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew when before Donald Trump was exactly everybody knew,
Speaker 1: and anyone of decency was disgusted by the way he
Speaker 1: called for Obama's birth certificate.
Speaker 3: And yet.
Speaker 1: You know, he took the most marginalized economically and educationally
Speaker 1: among us and added them to the mix along with
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck he had. Elon Musk do I would
Speaker 1: love to hear that, right, But somebody said, like, we'll
Speaker 1: stop the ban on Tesla's and start buying them if
Speaker 1: you just tell us how you fix this selection, because
Speaker 1: that's the only thing that makes any goddamn sense.
Speaker 2: Exactly. But my favorite part of the Robin Williams bit
Speaker 2: was talking about Trump owning the beauty pageants and he
Speaker 2: was like, that's a little too much like Michael Vick
Speaker 2: owning a series of pet stores.
Speaker 1: Thank you, same thing? Well said, yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is real. It's been up, you know, following him,
Speaker 1: and I do. If this is what it takes, you know,
Speaker 1: to shake people out of this cult, I'm.
Speaker 2: Here for it for real, because lord, he's been a
Speaker 2: fucking punchline for forty goddamn years at this point.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But you're apparently so uncomfortable right now, you're threatening to
Speaker 1: revoke Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship. You ridiculous motherfucker. It's not bad
Speaker 1: enough that they're you know, potentially gutting medicare et cetera,
Speaker 1: which is going to affect many of their constituents, of course,
Speaker 1: but this is like, what are you even talking about?
Speaker 1: What even they are going?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: What revoke her. Wait what he was born in Long Island,
Speaker 1: you motherfucker exactly?
Speaker 2: You know that imas? It just popped in my head.
Speaker 3: What so.
Speaker 2: Follow me so in it? In the movie, it the
Speaker 2: the creature. It feeds on your fear right, and once
Speaker 2: you're not afraid of it, he doesn't have power on you.
Speaker 2: And so at the end of the movie, the kid,
Speaker 2: they defeated him by just yelling, insulted him until he
Speaker 2: started getting smaller and smaller, until God, yank is hard out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe, oh, maybe, maybe, maybe you know what, I.
Speaker 2: Leave it there.
Speaker 1: Maybe if they're so uncomfortable that they're imploding and turning
Speaker 1: on each other, I'm here for all of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am here for all of it. And this is
Speaker 1: one of the things I said before we watched the
Speaker 1: last four year term and it became such a sideshow
Speaker 1: that actually nothing got done and nothing of you know,
Speaker 1: nothing happened in any direction after a very short period
Speaker 1: of time, and the history may very well repeat because
Speaker 1: he's insane and everyone he's hired to run our government
Speaker 1: is inept. Yeah, they're just sick of fans. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's their qualification for the jobs they have. And how
Speaker 1: many times? Are we going to have a flood in
Speaker 1: Texas killing children? Yeah, before you all start to think
Speaker 1: twice about firing the meteorologists and talking about eliminating FEMA.
Speaker 1: How many times y'all going to do that? Right before
Speaker 1: you start to say, oh, oh yeah, some problems are
Speaker 1: bigger than states' rights. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. They're
Speaker 1: scrambling like they're very uncomfortable about all this. So I'm
Speaker 1: here for it. You know, it could not be more
Speaker 1: richly deserved, and you know, it's kind of a bright
Speaker 1: little light in the shit storm that has been twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. This has been your moment of.
Speaker 5: Try people taking pleasure and.
Speaker 1: Main I've missed it so right, So I'm wondering, do
Speaker 1: you have all fifteen minute favor that you would like
Speaker 1: to share to take us out to the next great
Speaker 1: I deal. You've had a month to think about this,
Speaker 1: it better be good.
Speaker 2: Oh I've had like ten since the last.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, But where did you land?
Speaker 2: The most recent one is very very appropriate? Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: trying to remember how it even came back into my head,
Speaker 2: or maybe it just I was You know, how you
Speaker 2: get an earworm and you start singing a song. So
Speaker 2: from the album Around the World in a Day, Press
Speaker 2: Prints and the Revolution, it's the song America.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: It's just it just speaks to so much of what's
Speaker 2: going on, corruption and you know, divisiveness, and you know,
Speaker 2: I just mm hmmm. It just seems like the perfect songs.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna go out to the break with America
Speaker 2: by Prince and.
Speaker 3: Yes we'll be riper, mister Prince.
Speaker 1: Mum kum.
Speaker 5: Make it done, Dumaism stop the.
Speaker 2: Con a mincer and.
Speaker 5: Over the words, don Dad come, dumb bad gotchas dumba
Speaker 5: the dump bab.
Speaker 2: De bochum.
Speaker 5: This baby, every one from Jungle Monkey Cage, drank it.
Speaker 2: Open, umbles bad.
Speaker 5: She's beIN up being back she had she ain't in
Speaker 5: with bad bo dots dots up.
Speaker 2: Up h.
Speaker 1: H And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: That's a jam, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, rick At, your voice is so problematic in himself.
Speaker 1: But I'm remembering when he said, when he was talking
Speaker 1: about prayer and you know some whatever, like, you know,
Speaker 1: why weren't my prayers to answer? Well, God was busy
Speaker 1: giving aids to babies in Africa. I mean that's the
Speaker 1: line that came into my head hearing that song again
Speaker 1: and again. Problematic. But the greater point is, you know,
Speaker 1: we are not just the prayer, but the answer to
Speaker 1: the prayer.
Speaker 3: We're it.
Speaker 1: No one's coming.
Speaker 2: God helps those who help themselves and all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God is not flying in on a cloud. That
Speaker 1: is not happening. And you know part of the problem
Speaker 1: is you y'all think it is, and y'all think you
Speaker 1: will be removed from all the hell that you create,
Speaker 1: and that's not how this will go down.
Speaker 2: It reminds me of that joke like the flood and
Speaker 2: the person's on the hill and the water's rising and
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm waiting for the Lord. And then
Speaker 2: a rowboat comes by and like get in the boat.
Speaker 2: He was like, no, no, no, no, I'm going to
Speaker 2: stay here and wait for the Lord. And then a
Speaker 2: helicopter goes by and then they're like, you know, get in.
Speaker 2: The helicopter's like no, no, no, no, I'm going to
Speaker 2: sit here.
Speaker 1: I'm going to wait for the Lord.
Speaker 2: And then the helicopter goes away, and then the waters
Speaker 2: rise and the guy drowns, and then he gets to
Speaker 2: heaven and he goes, how come you didn't save me a.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Well, and that's you know, right, same same, yeah, idea
Speaker 1: we did this to ourselves, or we created this system
Speaker 1: where it was possible. I mean, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: care how you turn it over, but you know, greed
Speaker 1: allowed us. Yeah, you know, division, forgetting the fact that
Speaker 1: we're all connected, forgetting the fact that we only have
Speaker 1: one planet, forgetting the fact.
Speaker 3: That if you.
Speaker 1: Support someone because they hate the same people you hate,
Speaker 1: you might also get in the crosshairs. Then what, I
Speaker 1: don't know how we find our way back. I really
Speaker 1: don't worr if we ever do, but I know my
Speaker 1: last nervous being tried, right. And yeah, we've listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of the protest songs lately. Shaw, It's time
Speaker 1: for the cavalcade of nonsense, which I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to speed through.
Speaker 2: This one from a while ago.
Speaker 1: It is, but the Navy stripped Harvey Milk's name, Harvey
Speaker 1: Milk Navy veterans name half of a ship Heart Yeah,
Speaker 1: named in his honor. You to insult us and to
Speaker 1: grade us at a time when they are removing transgender troops.
Speaker 2: But the upside of that is the conversation about Harvey
Speaker 2: Milk got renewed because talking about him and his legacy
Speaker 2: in talking about why it was an insult. So the
Speaker 2: opposite thing actually happened.
Speaker 1: More people now know who Harvey Milk was and why
Speaker 1: his name matters than knew before. So it took some
Speaker 1: paint off a boat. I hope like this is like,
Speaker 1: these are the biggest problems we have, right.
Speaker 2: Oh and sidebar, I told you how for research purposes,
Speaker 2: I was listening to our earliest podcast episodes. I came
Speaker 2: across the episode where we talked about Tucker Carlson. I
Speaker 2: believe it was when he was trying to discredit the
Speaker 2: intelligence of Judge Katanji Brown Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ma, who.
Speaker 2: And so Tucker Carlson when he was in college. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Tuckham's he was a member of the Dan White Appreciation Society.
Speaker 1: Was a case who murdered both Harvey Milk and may
Speaker 1: Or Mosconi. Yeah that one just thought, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: celebrating the worst of the patriarchy. Yeah, here's another note
Speaker 1: from armageddon. The US Supreme Court ruled six to three
Speaker 1: that Tennessee's law banning gender firm and care for transgender
Speaker 1: youth while allowing the same treatments for youth who aren't
Speaker 1: trans does not constitute sex based discrimination and therefore does
Speaker 1: not violate the Equal Protection Clause of the fourteenth Make
Speaker 1: it make sense exactly. In her scathing descent, Sodomayor said,
Speaker 1: the court's decision will do irrevocable damage to the equal
Speaker 1: Protection Clause and invite legislatures to engage in discrimination by
Speaker 1: hiding blatant sex classifications in plane sight, yep, by refusing
Speaker 1: to apply heightened scrutiny, the majority renders transgender Americans doubly
Speaker 1: vulnerable to state sanctioned discrimination. In sadness I dissent, she
Speaker 1: was of course, joined by Katanji Brown Jackson, and Elena Kagan.
Speaker 1: She argued that the Tennessee law explicitly discriminates on the
Speaker 1: basis of both sex and gender, as it does right
Speaker 1: as it expressly classifies on the basis of sex and
Speaker 1: transgender status. Sins male but not female adolescents can receive
Speaker 1: medicines that help them look like boys, and female but
Speaker 1: not male adolescents can receive medicines that help them look
Speaker 1: like girls. So once again, you know, we of course
Speaker 1: honor cist people and marginalize and do not care about
Speaker 1: trans people and codify it into law, because that's what
Speaker 1: happens when you let someone like Donald Trump pick Supreme
Speaker 1: Court justices. Yeah, this case presents an easy question whether
Speaker 1: SBI's ban on certain medications applicable only if used in
Speaker 1: a manner inconsistent with sex whatever, contains a sex classification
Speaker 1: because sex determines access to the covered medications. It clearly does,
Speaker 1: Yet the majority refuses to call a spade a spade.
Speaker 3: Get it.
Speaker 1: She also noted that the ruling contradicts one of the
Speaker 1: Court's previous decisions in Bostock, which prevents employment discrimination against
Speaker 1: trans people under Title seven. Yeah, you can't make sense
Speaker 1: of this. You can't right this. Our Supreme Court was
Speaker 1: bought and paid for and they are delivering bullshit. Every
Speaker 1: major medical and psychiatric association in America, of note, of course,
Speaker 1: stands against this bullshit, and every decent study says the
Speaker 1: same thing. But they would rather see us dead. And
Speaker 1: I you know, speaking of which, Oh, speaking of which. So,
Speaker 1: the Trump administration also eliminated the LGBTQ youth specific specialists
Speaker 1: in the suicide hotline. So nine to eight they eliminated
Speaker 1: effect of July seventeenth. So it's happening. The Press three feature,
Speaker 1: which connects callers under twenty five with counselors trained in
Speaker 1: LGBTQ issues, it will be removed to focus on serving
Speaker 1: all help seekers. According to SAMSHA, the Substance Abuse and
Speaker 1: Mental Health Services Administration, if this is not dystopian, I
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I know SAMSHA, which used
Speaker 1: to be a very legitimate organization, but unfortunately it's run
Speaker 1: by the psychopath, said it will no longer silo LGB plus.
Speaker 1: They've already SAMSHA yeah, erased the t Yeah, they've already
Speaker 1: done that. They will no longer silo those youth. The
Speaker 1: Trevor Project, originally this sole contractor for the program, became
Speaker 1: one of seven partners and a sub network serving over
Speaker 1: one point three million queer youth that this administration doesn't
Speaker 1: want to live.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: The Trevor Project, of course, can still be reached directly.
Speaker 1: Canada has stepped in to share their line. We will
Speaker 1: publish the multiple lines that are still available, but this
Speaker 1: is disgusting. Samshaw maintains that help Us still available through
Speaker 1: the general hotline. Everyone who contacts the lifeline will continue
Speaker 1: to receive access to skilled care and culturally competent crisis counselors,
Speaker 1: except we don't talk about trans people anymore. Right, you
Speaker 1: can't be culturally competent when you eliminate an entire population
Speaker 1: the t I don't give a fuck what the White
Speaker 1: House said about this. It's disgusting behavior and Samsha means nothing.
Speaker 1: Right now, they've been corrupted. I mean, they're supposed to
Speaker 1: be our gold standard and they are worthless, much like
Speaker 1: the University of Pennsylvania at the moment. Well well no,
Speaker 1: by the way, after trans people were erased, Trump has
Speaker 1: now erased bisexual people from the Stonewall National Monument, So
Speaker 1: everybody who made created Stonewall gone. It's such bizarre behavior.
Speaker 1: It's such disgusting, repulsive. How do you explain this other
Speaker 1: than you know what it is.
Speaker 3: It's all gross, of course it is.
Speaker 1: The Only reason there was a Stonewall Monument is to
Speaker 1: commemorate what happened there, and they're trying to erase the message,
Speaker 1: the people and the meaning of that location because our
Speaker 1: country is no longer working in any way for us.
Speaker 1: They're working to erase us in every way possible. M
Speaker 1: Simone Biles had to deactivate her x account after comments
Speaker 1: about transition to athletes. All she basically said was not
Speaker 1: at all. That's ridiculous, right, And she wasn't even all
Speaker 1: that supportive because she basically wanted to throw us into
Speaker 1: a third category. And still right, the maggots came after
Speaker 1: her and such full force that she deactivated the account.
Speaker 1: That's fun.
Speaker 2: And then you mentioned you pen and Leah Thomas stripping
Speaker 2: away her.
Speaker 1: Med They've stripped away her medals because you know, Trump
Speaker 1: threatened I don't know, one hundred and seventy five million
Speaker 1: dollars worth of grants if they didn't comply. So they complied. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so fuck the trainees.
Speaker 3: And you know, my my.
Speaker 1: I went to school there, sent my kids to school there.
Speaker 1: I worked there for a lot of years and fucked them.
Speaker 1: And it's a crazy cowardice because you know what they
Speaker 1: have built up their call. First they have billions, but
Speaker 1: for one hundred and seventy five million, they sacrificed all
Speaker 1: of us.
Speaker 2: Yep, Like I said, I was going back and listening
Speaker 2: to our earliest episodes, and the first one I listened
Speaker 2: to was when Leah Thomas had just qualified to be
Speaker 2: able to compete in the race that she ultimately came
Speaker 2: in fifth.
Speaker 1: Right, All right, fine institutions bowing to Nazism is not
Speaker 1: they've lost their way. You know, when you capitulate to
Speaker 1: a Nazi, you have lost your fucking way.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: One thing Amy Gutman did was solidify that fucking endowment.
Speaker 1: They have billions of dollars that they could withstand this
Speaker 1: motherfucker and stand up for what's right, because that's what
Speaker 1: the academy is supposed to do. But they weighed it
Speaker 1: and said, fuck the trainees. That's what they did, basically.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and more and more people are doing it, including
Speaker 1: Sam Shaw. But at least I know Sam she is
Speaker 1: under their control, is under the federal government's control. Pen
Speaker 1: wasn't right, But yeah, I don't know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Dear God. I was so fortunate to work there under
Speaker 1: a real leader, and I can't imagine that Judy Roden
Speaker 1: would have done this. I can't. I just can't. Should
Speaker 1: have found another way because that's what she did, and
Speaker 1: whoever is making these decisions now, shame on them anyway.
Speaker 1: Simone Biles had to leave X, and X is a
Speaker 1: sewer anyway, So thanks for what you did say, even
Speaker 1: though it was separate but equal and sorry you're going
Speaker 1: through that, but yeah, that's what they do.
Speaker 3: Right now.
Speaker 1: Yep, let's go to break and cleanse our palates so
Speaker 1: we can get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 3: We'll be right, buck, and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: We are going to pop the culture and cleanse our palate. Yay.
Speaker 2: So a whole bunch of black stars, most of which,
Speaker 2: if not all of what are long passed due, are
Speaker 2: getting their stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, and it's so exciting.
Speaker 2: Most recently, Glenn Turmin got his on July tenth. Okay,
Speaker 2: Glenn Turmin. I believe his first major role was in.
Speaker 1: A Risin in the Sun, right, Oh no, wait, that
Speaker 1: was his Broadway debut in nineteen fifty nine, alongside Sydney Poitier.
Speaker 2: Right, I was thinking coolly high.
Speaker 1: Okay, But he went on to.
Speaker 2: His most famous role was as Colonel Taylor on the
Speaker 2: series A Different World.
Speaker 1: Oh right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But he's been kicking ass and taking names, and I'm
Speaker 2: glad he's getting honored. Nia Long is going to be
Speaker 2: honored in the Motion Pictures category, the Isley Brothers and
Speaker 2: the Recording category sure Television for whatever reason, Courtney b Vance,
Speaker 2: Corney B Vance, I love Corney b Vans, Fantasia Fantasia,
Speaker 2: Busta Rhymes, and the recording category. I mean, he's also
Speaker 2: an actor, so it makes sense. Prince Prince posthumously, mister Copeland,
Speaker 2: the Group War Uh yeah, Misty Copeland, Bill Bill douk Wo,
Speaker 2: I love Brandy, the Clark Sisters, Bone Thugs and Harmony,
Speaker 2: which is interesting, but okay, Sure, Keith David is the
Speaker 2: reason why this came to mind in the first place,
Speaker 2: because he's going to be getting his soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a whole wide swath of folks and I'm just
Speaker 2: glad to see it.
Speaker 3: So we watched.
Speaker 2: We were able to watch a bunch of things.
Speaker 1: Yes, queer, Yes, because we had the fourth of July weekend.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Free.
Speaker 1: We spent it in front of the television.
Speaker 2: Yes, watching everything queer and well not that we could find.
Speaker 1: We watched I'm Your Venus, Yes.
Speaker 2: The Venus Extravaganza documentary recently released.
Speaker 1: Yes on net I believe so or HBO one of them.
Speaker 1: But what is interesting was the tie in because we
Speaker 1: were at the Garden State Equality Ball, Yes, and funds
Speaker 1: raised by the folks from Ballroom who were there and performed,
Speaker 1: were going toward the house where House of Venus Venus
Speaker 1: extravagancea live. Yes, I'm your Venus is her story. It's
Speaker 1: the story of her brothers getting her name changed posthumously, yes,
Speaker 1: in order to correct her grave mark.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 1: And as part of that is raising the funds to
Speaker 1: continue right the house that is a monument to our
Speaker 1: existence and now, and.
Speaker 2: Also getting her center I believe or you know, yes,
Speaker 2: getting her murder case reopened.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a really beautiful documentary. It was really
Speaker 2: interesting to in touching to me seeing her.
Speaker 1: Straight older brothers, her straight.
Speaker 2: Older brothers like total yo yo jersey dudes, but talking
Speaker 2: about Venus and using she and her pronouns and talking
Speaker 2: about the ballroom and the House of Extravaganza.
Speaker 1: Not things that happened during her life.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they admit that they didn't necessarily do right by
Speaker 2: her when she was alive. They were actually very surprised
Speaker 2: to hear from Venus's house siblings that she didn't always
Speaker 2: have the best feelings toward her family, and they were
Speaker 2: like acting like why would she say these things? And
Speaker 2: it's like, really, dude, why, Yeah, but that seems so
Speaker 2: surprised when they see themselves reflected in our eyes. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, so that was that was the hard part
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: Yes, watching that, I mean, yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 2: The apartment where Venus lived is uh, they're trying to
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 1: A well, it's a house, a bedroom and a house.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: The house where Venus lived is.
Speaker 1: Now in I believe, Jersey City, right.
Speaker 2: Being designated as a historical marker, and.
Speaker 1: I want to say they're using it as a home,
Speaker 1: I believe, folks, or yeah, a resource center otherwise a
Speaker 1: resource for for a trans book.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's an amazing organization that did this. It's a
Speaker 2: wonderful documentary. It is, it is and I recommend it.
Speaker 1: Parts of it were hard for me to watch, but well, yeah,
Speaker 1: it led us to rewatch Paris is Burning.
Speaker 2: Yes, which is always a good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which led us to start rewatching Posts, yes, which
Speaker 1: we're still doing. We're in season three now.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I refer to in between bouts of ugly
Speaker 2: crying as this fucking show.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of crying in Well.
Speaker 2: It occurred to me like when we first watched Pose,
Speaker 2: we were watching it as first run television with everybody else.
Speaker 2: So we're watching it a week at a time, So
Speaker 2: you sit there for an hour and you ugly cry,
Speaker 2: and then you have seven days to regroup. But yeah,
Speaker 2: binging it like after four episodes, I'm just wrong the
Speaker 2: fuck out. Yeah, I mean yeah, because you're crying because
Speaker 2: happy tears and sad tears and wistful tears, just tears
Speaker 2: and tears and tears. Right, my god, this fucking shout.
Speaker 1: But it's so good, well, and that you know, it's
Speaker 1: more important now than ever to revisit, And.
Speaker 2: It's so cool that we're watching Pose after just having
Speaker 2: watched Paris Is Burning and I'm your Venus and realizing
Speaker 2: how much of contemporar very queer culture stemmed from not
Speaker 2: just ballroom but Paris is Burning specifically. Sure, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just so many catchphrases, and don't get me started
Speaker 2: on how many of them RuPaul has lifted directly and
Speaker 2: uses on the show all of the time.
Speaker 1: So an interesting part of Pose, which we just kind
Speaker 1: of got passed with how when Madonna's Vogue came out,
Speaker 1: they all thought they were finally going to get the
Speaker 1: recognition they deserved, which didn't really happen.
Speaker 2: They got attention for a minute, the five minutes that
Speaker 2: people were paying attention, that straight white people were paying attention,
Speaker 2: and then the next big thing happened and that's where
Speaker 2: the focus went.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is kind of like Paris is Burning, where
Speaker 1: nobody got him. Did they get paid at all?
Speaker 2: Not enough if they did well? My whole thing with
Speaker 2: Paris is Burning. And Jenny Livingston, who did Paris is Burning,
Speaker 2: she is was a consulting producer on Pose, which I
Speaker 2: sound interesting, but when when she was doing the press tours,
Speaker 2: like the talk show tours for Paris Is Burning, she
Speaker 2: was like, on I'm thinking of like Donahue. She's sitting
Speaker 2: there with Paris Dupree and Dorian Corey and and and
Speaker 2: these folks, and she's doing all the talking. She's talking
Speaker 2: about them as if they weren't there, right, right, And
Speaker 2: nobody asked any of these people questions directly.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I remember watching that clip and just getting mad, like,
Speaker 2: ask Paris, She's right fucking there, and again it's it, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And knowing the storylines and then watching Pose where they
Speaker 1: picked up and added the storylines. Yeah, it's fun like
Speaker 1: the trunk.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I was saying to you, Okay, So when
Speaker 2: Dory and Corey and Paris is Burning is sitting there
Speaker 2: doing her makeup and everything off camera and behind her
Speaker 2: is that fucking trunk that entire time?
Speaker 3: What a body?
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if she how she explained the smell
Speaker 2: when Jenny came in with the camera, show it.
Speaker 4: Is what it is.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad this you know, it all exists in
Speaker 1: the cannon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm so excited that I have that autograph
Speaker 2: picture from Paris is Burning, autographed by Dorry and Corey, uh,
Speaker 2: that I snagged at a sidewalk sale one day in
Speaker 2: the gighborhood. I was like, you wink mine yep, my mom, Jane, Yes,
Speaker 2: this was fabulous.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Madushka Hagert's story about her mother and
Speaker 1: Jane mans to know her mother, about our Jane Mansfield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she was what three when she died.
Speaker 1: I believe Salliam or yeah, little, she was little.
Speaker 3: She was in the car. She was in the car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she has no firsthand memories of her mother.
Speaker 2: She was in the car that day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, oh shit. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: The kids survived and Jane didn't. But she wove such
Speaker 1: a story, including finding out. You know, her family is
Speaker 1: not comprised the way she thought it was. I don't
Speaker 1: want to give too much away, but the interesting thing
Speaker 1: to me was that all of these family members honored
Speaker 1: her all this time in not making the story public
Speaker 1: until she wanted, right, Yeah, you know, it's it's a
Speaker 1: it's a love story to her mother was not you know,
Speaker 1: one dimensional ast as complicated human as everyone is, and
Speaker 1: her trying to come to a better understanding of her
Speaker 1: and and her great love for her father Mickey Haggerton, Yes,
Speaker 1: and her deep abiding respect for him. And you know,
Speaker 1: the plot Twiss I did not see coming.
Speaker 2: Right, but you don't often get plot twiss in a documentary.
Speaker 1: No, but it was handled brilliantly, and it really was.
Speaker 2: It was obviously done with so much love and respect. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I highly recommend.
Speaker 1: And I think it was clear also that she's a
Speaker 1: good person. Yeah, is you know, a good person who
Speaker 1: is respected in her family and by so many others,
Speaker 1: and so worth watching. I agree, truly, truly worth watching.
Speaker 1: I agree. We also watched Ironheart.
Speaker 2: Yes, so Ironheart. I'm part of me is upset that
Speaker 2: they released it in two chunks. It was six episodes
Speaker 2: and they released three episodes and then three episodes, and
Speaker 2: now the whole thing's done, so I don't have it
Speaker 2: to look forward to anymore. But I really enjoyed iron Heart,
Speaker 2: especially considering all the unnecessary hate that it received before
Speaker 2: it came out. While it was on, like it got
Speaker 2: review bombed because the white fanboys anything involving anyone black
Speaker 2: or a woman, So this is a black woman, just
Speaker 2: can't fucking take it. Iron Heart is about ree Rey Williams,
Speaker 2: who was a teenage genius who built her own Iron
Speaker 2: Man suit in an MIT because she could, is what
Speaker 2: she will tell you, but really is because her stepfather
Speaker 2: and her best friend were killed by gun violence, so
Speaker 2: she wanted to create the suit as a way to
Speaker 2: aid first responders because had there, had they gotten there quicker,
Speaker 2: her friend and her stepfather stood be alive. So that
Speaker 2: was the real reason. And you know, she was a
Speaker 2: risk taker. She didn't follow anybody's rules. So she ended
Speaker 2: up getting kicked out of MIT, and she took the
Speaker 2: suit with her that she built with the grant money
Speaker 2: that she got while she was at MIT, and so
Speaker 2: of course the white families were like, she's a criminal.
Speaker 2: You're building a show around a criminal. Wow, right, and
Speaker 2: then you know she gets caught up in this ragtag
Speaker 2: group of of Okay, they were criminals.
Speaker 1: Actually, so you would recommend I.
Speaker 2: Would highly recommend Shake Hule has a role. She plays
Speaker 2: a character named Slug who is a hacker extraordinaire. Anthony
Speaker 2: Ramos has a role as the Hood. It's a very
Speaker 2: cool show, and it made white fanboys very angry, which
Speaker 2: you know is a plus because it's primarily people of color.
Speaker 2: There's one one white character is supporting, but mostly the
Speaker 2: white folks are the villains. It just worked out that way.
Speaker 2: It's a great show and I'm looking forward to see
Speaker 2: how they weave it into the greater MCU again because
Speaker 2: the character was introduced in Wakanda Forever, the second Black
Speaker 2: Panther movie, and so we'll see how it works in
Speaker 2: the greater scheme of things. But Ironheart was very cool.
Speaker 1: I love Sinners. Yes, came to whatever the hell we're
Speaker 1: calling HBO today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Max, Yeah, I think it's back to HBO, Max, now.
Speaker 1: Okay whatever, Yeah, yeah, that one, it's there.
Speaker 2: It hit HBO on July fourth, and we watched it
Speaker 2: and that was like the first thing I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to watch sinners. I want to want you
Speaker 2: haven't seen it yet, and I want to see it again.
Speaker 1: You watched it in the movie, Yeah, I went.
Speaker 2: To the to the movies while you were in Class
Speaker 2: I's and that I you know, I love that movie.
Speaker 1: And it was a vampire movie. Yes, which I'm I'm
Speaker 1: okay with vampire.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: It's like you went to say it like you alone,
Speaker 1: because but it's it doesn't really fit the genre that
Speaker 1: I do not like horror, right, but I don't. This
Speaker 1: is not the same thing, right.
Speaker 2: There's an argument trying to say it's not a horror movie, like,
Speaker 2: but it is, though.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean it is, It's just not typical.
Speaker 2: It's not typical anything movie. I think like it's unique story.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like I liked True Blood, so it Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: good movie, No note.
Speaker 2: I love it and of course done. My favorite scene
Speaker 2: is the scene in the juke joint where he's singing
Speaker 2: in like all the ancestors and progeny are called forth
Speaker 2: and you have all these different genres occupying the same space.
Speaker 2: H Right, Twice I saw it twice.
Speaker 1: I cried it was it was well done. Yes, It
Speaker 1: was well done, worth the time. Really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: And now if you asked to come into a black
Speaker 2: person's house, they're gonna make you eat garlic first. Black
Speaker 2: folks gonna be keeping garlic by the door, and if
Speaker 2: you ask to come in, they're gonna make you eat
Speaker 2: it first. Just know it's to come in, Know what's happening,
Speaker 2: make peace with it.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It was well done, Yes, really good.
Speaker 2: Ryan Coogler should direct everything, okay.
Speaker 1: And then the last thing we watched today quickly was
Speaker 1: the logo Legends Roundtable for Jings Monson and it was entertainment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was seeing these clips online of all these
Speaker 2: wonderful queer figures honoring Jing's monsoon. I was wondering what
Speaker 2: that was about. And we saw the whole thing today.
Speaker 2: It was a cool uh round table of queer entertainers
Speaker 2: including a Loake and Bendela crem Murray Hill.
Speaker 1: A new artist I forget her name, uh a NAIs
Speaker 1: say something like her name.
Speaker 2: It's funny because I had shown you a clip of
Speaker 2: her singing maybe this time.
Speaker 1: Yes, since she's got she's got a voice, she's got pipes, yes.
Speaker 2: And I was looking at her her Instagram profile and
Speaker 2: then I saw a reference to the panel and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit.
Speaker 1: That's her, got it, got it? And then who sang?
Speaker 2: Oh Plasma? Plasma came on and sang what songs you sing?
Speaker 2: Happy days are here again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Plasma is going to be a Jinx level performer
Speaker 2: one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean and Jinks monson, if you take a look
Speaker 1: at what she's doing, she's even in this climate and environment.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, taking these roles on Broadway and
Speaker 1: fuck and nailing them and making them her own. She's
Speaker 1: she's just she's a huge talent.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like Jinks is going to be a
Speaker 2: star regardless. She just like drag Race gave her the platform.
Speaker 1: To like and she's taken it and been smart with it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, so it.
Speaker 2: Was fun and I love how many drag Race queens
Speaker 2: have made their way through Broadway now. And one could
Speaker 2: argue Jinks was the the Beacon, hey, because so far
Speaker 2: we got Jinks, we got Pepperman has been on Broadway
Speaker 2: and I believe nominated for Tony Marsha. Marsha. Marsha is
Speaker 2: still currently in in Cabaret. He was an Oh Mary
Speaker 2: that is a coal Escola. Yes, but I do believe
Speaker 2: Jinks is going to.
Speaker 1: Be taking over. I think for Cole, I know that's
Speaker 1: what I saw.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Cole does it is Cole wrote and originally
Speaker 2: performed in it. Titus Burgess has been doing it for
Speaker 2: a while, and then Cole came back, and then I
Speaker 2: think Jinx is going to be next.
Speaker 1: Yes, that representation matters. It's happening, even amidst all that
Speaker 1: who's struck well right.
Speaker 2: What I really enjoyed about the round Table is seeing
Speaker 2: all like this, this collection of queer people who are accomplished,
Speaker 2: just you know, like having space together and celebrating one another.
Speaker 2: And I love it. It is possible, yes, and I
Speaker 2: love it in our own life. I love when that happens,
Speaker 2: Like I love especially feeling that, like when we're at
Speaker 2: the Governor's mansion at the Equality ball, you know, or
Speaker 2: are the programming that we we do, like the spaghetti
Speaker 2: dinner for instance. I just love being in either a
Speaker 2: only queer space or primarily queer space and we're all
Speaker 2: like together and we're each who we are, but we're
Speaker 2: being that together.
Speaker 3: I just love that.
Speaker 2: I love that energy.
Speaker 1: I'm lifting one another up and celebrating one another's successes
Speaker 1: and holding one another's you know, when it gets hard.
Speaker 1: That's what it should be, exactly. And that's the only
Speaker 1: kind of collective we've put our energy toward.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, and that's all we have for pop culture.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I got.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's all I got right now, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's July.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 1: It is July.
Speaker 2: Happy anniversary as of tomorrow.
Speaker 1: As of tomorrow, tomorrow is July fourteenth, and that is
Speaker 1: our the thirteenth anniversary of our.
Speaker 2: First Yes, the OG anniversary. Ognis our wedding anniversaries in
Speaker 2: March and our OG anniversaries in Yeah.
Speaker 1: All right, then, until next time, I'm your host Martha Madrigal.
Speaker 2: And I'm your host Charles Tyston Junior.
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