Speaker 1: What's up you guys.
Speaker 2: It's me Cecily here with my buddy Muspash, my special
Speaker 2: lady Stephanie.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2: I remembered something that's weird. We call each other spash
Speaker 2: if you don't know, if you're just tuning in someone
Speaker 2: you don't like when we recap things, which is literally
Speaker 2: what we do, but if you're just tuning in, we
Speaker 2: call each other spash. Because of sex and the city.
Speaker 2: There was a scene where Aiden says to Carrie specially
Speaker 2: he needs special floors because he's going to stand her
Speaker 2: floors and it's just like a frickin nightmare. But I
Speaker 2: remembered when I was in college doing as I did
Speaker 2: my study abroad in Tel Aviv, true story, and I
Speaker 2: became friends with this woman whose name I can't remember,
Speaker 2: but I really really liked Shanna. That was her name, Shauna,
Speaker 2: and she called me Special K because my last name
Speaker 2: starts with a K, and sometimes she would shorten it
Speaker 2: to special or specih.
Speaker 1: I just remembered that, Well, do you want to hear
Speaker 1: something really weird? I was talking to my friend Robin
Speaker 1: this morning, who listens to our show, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny that you guys call each
Speaker 1: other specih special lady, because my old best friend and
Speaker 1: I from high school used to call each other that
Speaker 1: as well. Isn't that weird? They called each other special?
Speaker 1: She was and she literally just told me that to day.
Speaker 1: So cute. I know.
Speaker 2: I wonder why was theirs from like special.
Speaker 1: From special lady, from somebody calling them a special.
Speaker 2: Lady that was the same thing, from Sex and the City,
Speaker 2: or just in general.
Speaker 1: No, from somebody like a guy called one of them
Speaker 1: a special lady, and they thought it was so gross
Speaker 1: and also hilarious that they started calling each other special lady.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's so specific. I know, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: really weird. I don't know where Okay, all right, well
Speaker 2: we're not that special. I guess we're not really specials.
Speaker 1: We are, We're still we're still the most we're the
Speaker 1: of the all the specials. We're the most.
Speaker 2: Beush before we get into today and we have a
Speaker 2: lot to d have a lot to talk about today
Speaker 2: to I don't like the word.
Speaker 1: I wish there was a better word for douchebag.
Speaker 2: I don't like the word douchebag, not just because like
Speaker 2: for the feminism, feminism standpoint, but that too, you know,
Speaker 2: you're just taking a It's like calling someone a tampon head,
Speaker 2: and it's like, why that's really.
Speaker 1: I love tampon head. Oh my godol Noosler love it.
Speaker 1: Tampon head.
Speaker 2: Okay, well I've got to tampon heads to start. But
Speaker 2: in a way it sort of puts women down. I
Speaker 2: wish there was like a what's the thing that guys use?
Speaker 1: They don't, you know, their cock? When you call somebody
Speaker 1: cock cocksucker, Well, that's again, but that's against like more
Speaker 1: of a women.
Speaker 2: Almo soobic and weird and like I don't like that,
Speaker 2: or or you.
Speaker 1: Know, calling somebody a dick. We call people, Wow, what
Speaker 1: a dick? That's just the guy. I tampon heads.
Speaker 2: Fine, tampon heads fine, because it's like we don't we
Speaker 2: didn't love when we were on our period. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not great fun. He's a tampon so fuck. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I have two tampon heads. Maybe every week we
Speaker 2: can give a tampon head of the of the week award.
Speaker 1: So it's I love it, like like Andy Cohen's jack
Speaker 1: hole or whatever. Yes, yes, tamp on the head of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you are genius this side you decide,
Speaker 2: it's either it's either Matt Healey, who For those who
Speaker 2: don't remember, he very briefly dated Taylor Swift and it
Speaker 2: was so horrible for Taylor Swift. She wrote, I mean,
Speaker 2: I know she writes a lot of songs about a
Speaker 2: lot of guys, but this one was like, holy shit.
Speaker 2: It's called the smallest man who ever lived, not only
Speaker 2: his dick size but also just his I mean she
Speaker 2: went in hard. She was like, you should be in
Speaker 2: jail for what you did. Holy shit. Oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's he's whatever.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened, it didn't go well, but he just got married.
Speaker 2: So like two weeks after her big wedding, he did it.
Speaker 2: He married some model ten years younger.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 2: It was at Madonna's old house in La maybe London,
Speaker 2: and I was just looking at the guest list and
Speaker 2: Charlie XX is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: But the rest was like Alex Cooper.
Speaker 2: It was all just like his bandmates, which I know
Speaker 2: are something to somebody, but mostly just podcasters. Like he's
Speaker 2: supposed to be like racist, yeah, oh yeah. He did
Speaker 2: a Nazi salute at one of his He was like
Speaker 2: I was just waving guys. Oh no, it's on his audience.
Speaker 2: He's a horrible Okay. So he's in the running for
Speaker 2: Tampon Head, Okay, and then on the other side, and
Speaker 2: maybe we'll put up a poll online and you guys
Speaker 2: can vote.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we should decide based on all the stories. Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even expecting to talk about this. But the
Speaker 2: other guy who's up for Tampon Head of the Week
Speaker 2: is Ryan Adams, and you know how much I love him,
Speaker 2: but he is a tampon head just in general.
Speaker 1: Done.
Speaker 2: He started posting these videos on Facebook live live at
Speaker 2: videos so he can just like see you but then
Speaker 2: you can see them later, and he's always just so
Speaker 2: mad at Everybody's like, well, this is really embarrassing, but
Speaker 2: I got to sell all my fenders. I'm selling my guitars,
Speaker 2: main guitars. I made a heartbreaker on all this shit.
Speaker 2: He's like, because you know, I asked you guys not
Speaker 2: to take pictures of me at concerts, but now it
Speaker 2: like fucked up my He has miniers what's it called
Speaker 2: Minaire's disease. I don't really understand what he's talking about.
Speaker 2: He has he has. He has like not, it's not
Speaker 2: tonightas right, tenadus. You're supposed to say tendas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think some people do go ahead and say tonightas,
Speaker 1: which I've said my whole life. Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But he's got that plus and and then he gets
Speaker 2: he sees halos if people take photos of him, so
Speaker 2: he has some kind of like disease, which which is
Speaker 2: true that he might have that, but he's mad. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: I got to sell all my stuff. I been went
Speaker 2: on tour and I beg people not to take pictures,
Speaker 2: but you took pictures and now I really can't see.
Speaker 2: He's like, my hands are shaking. He shows his hands
Speaker 2: which are not shaking, and then he starts shaking them
Speaker 2: very clearly, you know what I mean. He's like see,
Speaker 2: and then he's just mad. He's selling all this shit,
Speaker 2: and he's like, I got to take care of my family.
Speaker 2: My mama needs a new couch. He's just such a
Speaker 2: fucking victim all the time. So I still think it
Speaker 2: goes matt Y Lee personally. But which one would you choose?
Speaker 1: I mean, wow, they've both they've both done not good
Speaker 1: things to women. So I'm not sure that's right. That's right.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Let's you know what, Let's see what
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Speaker 2: There you go, all right, nice, Okay, so we're gonna
Speaker 2: should we start, well, not start, but talk about Britney.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, Britt, Britt tell us about that. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I have an article which seems a little bit crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know, you'd be the judge. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if there's any tampon heads here, but we're going to see.
Speaker 1: So Britney Spears' son, Jayden, Jayden James, he's nineteen. He
Speaker 1: decided to address the long standing rumor that his mom
Speaker 1: was cloned. Now, now, did you know that that was
Speaker 1: a long standing rumor? Oh yeah, oh you did? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean people are crazy, people are insane. The QAnon
Speaker 2: it's like QAnon people, and they make up a lot
Speaker 2: of us. There's more of us than you think more
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 1: So people think, people really feel that somebody in a
Speaker 1: lab cloned Britney Spears. And then so there's like a
Speaker 1: good Britney Spears and a bad Britney Spears.
Speaker 2: Let me push back on that. Not push back is
Speaker 2: not the right word. Let me give you a little
Speaker 2: more context. You say somebody in a lab. What most
Speaker 2: of these people that believe it, they believe it happened
Speaker 2: with Kanye and whatever. When they say somebody in a lab,
Speaker 2: they mean that you know who's and by you know
Speaker 2: who's the people that run, the people underground that run everything,
Speaker 2: you know, the bank.
Speaker 1: So why would the Jews want to clone Britney Spears? Like,
Speaker 1: It's not like we're trying to claim her. She's not
Speaker 1: a Jew.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's a matter
Speaker 2: of that they think.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 2: Listen, we gotta get we got to get a quan
Speaker 2: On person on the show. I know, I guess that's
Speaker 2: all I got to do. Yeah, because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why that seems to be
Speaker 2: what they think.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, Jaden said he's hitting back at the bizarre
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory that the pop star has been cloned. Quote
Speaker 1: I hop on TikTok and I see this one video
Speaker 1: that has one point two million likes and the caption
Speaker 1: is like, quote, the biggest theory ever is Britney Spears
Speaker 1: still alive? Jaden said during a Friday live stream, This
Speaker 1: is per Us Weekly, Like bro, you can go to
Speaker 1: her page and see her right now. It makes me
Speaker 1: know that a lot of the stuff on media is
Speaker 1: exaggerated and fake, he continued. People know how gullible people
Speaker 1: are and they use that to their advantage. Anyone that
Speaker 1: sees it on media, they just see it and if
Speaker 1: it has like a lot of likes, they believe it.
Speaker 1: They don't even research it. They're just like, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy, I believe it, very true. Yeah, he sounds
Speaker 1: like a good kid.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sad that he has to have this
Speaker 2: conversation with the world. Yeah, that's sad, and I love that.
Speaker 1: When you're scrolling on page six, you're gonna see like
Speaker 1: one photograph. So there's a picture of Jaden. Oh his
Speaker 1: last name is Fetterline. Did you know that? Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: seen with his mom in twenty twenty five. Has addressed
Speaker 1: the conspiracy theory. And then there's another picture of him.
Speaker 1: He's a very good looking kid. Yeah, surprisingly, Kevin Fetterline's
Speaker 1: not that cute.
Speaker 2: He was pretty cute. He's a pretty strong jaw line.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, depends on what you think is cute. Well,
Speaker 2: the kids did get a strong jaw line too, okay.
Speaker 2: So Jaden and his brother Sean, who's twenty. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: they're like Irish twins have had a rocky relationship with
Speaker 2: their mother for many years. They didn't see it, but
Speaker 2: the relationship appears to have improved. I guess because you
Speaker 2: know now he's saying, like, guys, she's not cloned. Okay,
Speaker 2: they held the intervention. She voluntarily went to rehabit.
Speaker 1: That was like for a couple of days, right, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody's qualutarily after her duy right, like an insider flames out.
Speaker 1: The Spears forty four was dragging her feet after checking in,
Speaker 1: after checking in, after a march the UI arrest until
Speaker 1: her sons got involved. And then somebody, a source of course,
Speaker 1: says they're the only one she listens to and they
Speaker 1: were so loving, so kind, but also so so firm.
Speaker 1: So I guess, uh, okay, there's a little bit more
Speaker 1: to the story. The cloning theory has been around for
Speaker 1: at least a couple of years. The Hills Alone Kristin
Speaker 1: Cavalieri floated the conspiracy theory on her podcast back in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Dude, that's crazy, So Kristin Cavalieri is
Speaker 1: when he started this out, She wrote, Britney spears. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's not Britney spears. Go look at photos. That's not
Speaker 1: Britney spears. She declared, Oh my god. Cavalaria also claimed
Speaker 1: that Kanye West had been cloned and blamed the scientific
Speaker 1: experiment on the Illuminati and the Cabalah. Yeah, so so
Speaker 1: Kristen Cavalieri is completely out of her mind?
Speaker 2: Did we know that? Eys? I didn't know that, but
Speaker 2: I think I remember hearing that now that you're saying,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of coming back to me. I mean,
Speaker 2: here something.
Speaker 1: She's blaming things on the Illuminati and the Cabal crazy,
Speaker 1: which you know is short for kabala. I know what
Speaker 1: they mean.
Speaker 2: Now. I want to say this because this bugs me
Speaker 2: because we've talked about this a long time, you and
Speaker 2: I and sometimes people get mad at us. Well it's
Speaker 2: been a while since they have about Britney because we
Speaker 2: want the best for her. She's like a mom and
Speaker 2: she's a person, she's a human, a woman like we
Speaker 2: want her to do well. But sometimes we get annoyed
Speaker 2: when everyone, you know, the whole Free Britney movement with
Speaker 2: the like they had no plan in place, right Yeah, sure, yes,
Speaker 2: take the dad off the conservator Ship main guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course, but like, you know, come on, guys, at
Speaker 2: what point she's lighting her house on fire every now
Speaker 2: and she and she's drive and drunk. So when it's
Speaker 2: you know, when it's affecting other people in the world,
Speaker 2: it pisses me off. You have to it's not fair.
Speaker 2: Do you think that's the fair.
Speaker 1: Conservative the Conservatorship stopped her from driving though?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I believe so. Actually, okay, I don't think
Speaker 2: she was. She was not getting to uys during that time. Yes,
Speaker 2: I think it did. I don't know. That's a good question.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing that kind of annoyed me. I
Speaker 2: was watching a it was a watch What Happens and
Speaker 2: the guests were Molly Shannon, who is very you know,
Speaker 2: Molly Shannon and a real housewife and I don't remember
Speaker 2: who they I think it might have been Tamra. It
Speaker 2: was camera unrelated because OC is back so there, so
Speaker 2: Andy's asking and I and Molly Shannon we both have
Speaker 2: met her many times. Right, She's really nice, She really
Speaker 2: is generally nice. But I'm I feel a little bit
Speaker 2: of toxic positivity because she was talking about something came
Speaker 2: up about Brittany and she's like, oh, I love her.
Speaker 1: Just precious, just precious.
Speaker 2: And Andy even Andy's like, oh you know her, like
Speaker 2: you know Brittany, and she's like, oh, she's precious, She's precious.
Speaker 2: She did SNL. She's not joking like she's like she
Speaker 2: did SNL. She was just so funny and so precious,
Speaker 2: and I just like, really it was she was just
Speaker 2: all she was talking about her is her sons, and
Speaker 2: she just cares so much about her her boys, and yeah,
Speaker 2: what a great I mean, it's just like calm down,
Speaker 2: calm down, you know, like preshious. I mean, it just
Speaker 2: feels like we're taking we're just rewriting everything. It's not
Speaker 2: that Brittany wasn't nice. I'm sure she was nice, but
Speaker 2: do you know what I'm saying. It just was like
Speaker 2: we're just going to strip away everything.
Speaker 1: Just so precious. I mean, that is that is a
Speaker 1: very Molly Shannon thing. We both.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know her, I have not met her.
Speaker 2: I haven't met her a few times, and she is
Speaker 2: really nice. So it's not like it's not like putting
Speaker 2: her down, but she was on. She did another thing
Speaker 2: with Will Ferrell because they're making the rounds for like
Speaker 2: a Netflix thing.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And he was doing like an impression of her. He
Speaker 2: was being really he was like, you're so interested in
Speaker 2: what everybody. If someone says something, you're you're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's great. I love your shoes. Were they really leather?
Speaker 2: Can I touch them? It's very like intense all the time,
Speaker 2: which is not a bad quality.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's very sweet though, and she is really supportive.
Speaker 1: Did you know maybe little known fact she's my biggest
Speaker 1: blurb on sippy cups or not for chardinage. Oh, she's
Speaker 1: the quote and in front of the book.
Speaker 2: No, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, she is. She is a supporter. She's not
Speaker 1: going to talk shit.
Speaker 2: But I was in one of those moods is like
Speaker 2: we stopped saying that Britney spears is all she cared
Speaker 2: about were her son's Yes, that that is too much
Speaker 2: when I was during a time this is a long
Speaker 2: ass time ago too, So I mean it just was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But she's great. We love her.
Speaker 2: She is not in the running or tampon head of
Speaker 2: the weed.
Speaker 1: No. And I don't think any women can be well
Speaker 1: I guess they can be No, they can be. They
Speaker 1: can definitely be.
Speaker 2: But in this case, I was trying to send you
Speaker 2: a sound up on the Ryan Adams, but he has
Speaker 2: taken the post down. He does that a lot. He's
Speaker 2: supposed to be sober, but he seems to not be.
Speaker 2: And then he posts stuff and oh, I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's not sober.
Speaker 1: He might be sober.
Speaker 2: That's not really the point. It's not you know. I'm
Speaker 2: he's done a lot of work on himself and that's good,
Speaker 2: but he can't change the total personality.
Speaker 1: No, And I mean he's been pretty awful to women
Speaker 1: as we as we know even yeah, yeah, emotional, extremely controlling,
Speaker 1: and then also was hitting up a sixteen year old.
Speaker 2: He got investigated by the FBI for that. He got
Speaker 2: somehow cleared, but he was talking to some pretty young
Speaker 2: people online. He also was very emotionally controlling with Mandy Moore,
Speaker 2: Phoebe Bridgers. I mean, there was a whole New York
Speaker 2: Times article about him. Matt Heally as well, though, I mean, like,
Speaker 2: don't don't let I'm slip by. He's horrendous.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Still I'm still voting. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty close call, but I'm still going.
Speaker 2: Not all rock stars, okay, right, or indie rock stars.
Speaker 1: Not all indie rock stars. Okay.
Speaker 2: We have another story though here, Yeah, we have two
Speaker 2: more stories. Let's do do Melissa. Let's do Melissa.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, Melissa Gilbert has been fired from her job.
Speaker 1: They're trying to paint a slightly different picture on this,
Speaker 1: but the headline on page six is Melissa Gilbert exits
Speaker 1: when Calls the Heart. First of all, this is a
Speaker 1: a Hallmark show. I do not like this title. When
Speaker 1: Calls the Heart? Is that supposed to be like what
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And not supposed to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're a poetic or why not just like when the
Speaker 1: Heart calls or I've only gotten mistranslated from like like
Speaker 1: in Japan. Oh my god. And then somebody was like yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and no there's nobody working at the Hallmark channel, so
Speaker 1: they're just like, I guess, okay call it that.
Speaker 2: Do you hear that noise? There's like a noise going
Speaker 2: across your mic. It's like, oh, is it my mic?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't hear anything. Okay, that's do you think it's
Speaker 2: the devil? It sounds like the devil like it's hissing.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's probably not. It's probably not.
Speaker 1: So I'm Melissa Gilbert announced she's leaving the Hallmark series.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to keep saying this title When Calls
Speaker 1: the Heart as her husband Timothy Bussfield faces child sex
Speaker 1: abuse charges. So guys, this has not gone away. Just
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: Many people have asked if I will be returning to
Speaker 1: When Calls the Heart? Do you think that every time
Speaker 1: she has to say the title of it, she has
Speaker 1: to stop for a minute and go, what when the
Speaker 1: heart calls? No? No, No.
Speaker 2: She's like, it makes sense in Japan. It's a different
Speaker 2: way and.
Speaker 1: Some kind of She goes, okay, starts with when always
Speaker 1: keep remembering the next word is calls. Then you'll get it.
Speaker 1: So she's like, when the no, when calls the Heart
Speaker 1: this coming season, she wrote on Instagram. The answer to
Speaker 1: that is no, no, I am not, she added, and
Speaker 1: then the whole quote is the answer to that is
Speaker 1: I am told this is due to and then she
Speaker 1: puts in quotes budget issues. I also think it's interesting
Speaker 1: that she capitalized the bee and budget like as if
Speaker 1: to say very important. So it's not a new sentence.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's due to quote budget issues. Well,
Speaker 1: budget is not like the title of a movie. It's
Speaker 1: just budget like he like you would say, he is
Speaker 1: watching us. The budget is the Jesus. Ohkay.
Speaker 2: The title comes from the original book series written by
Speaker 2: Jeanette Oak. It is a poetic phrase that means when
Speaker 2: love calls, it describes the main character.
Speaker 1: And then it goes from there. So that is from
Speaker 1: a poem. Yeah, you were right. It's very pretentious for
Speaker 1: the Hallmark Channel that said I wish all my sweet
Speaker 1: friends in Hope Valley a wonderful and successful season fourteen?
Speaker 1: Does she though? Does she wish them that? Okay? So does?
Speaker 1: She claims she was off the show due to budget issues,
Speaker 1: but in her caption she said she's eternally grateful to
Speaker 1: creator Michael Landon Junior. Did you know that? I didn't
Speaker 1: know that, But I love that for allowing her to
Speaker 1: play Georgie McGill. It was a lovely couple of seasons.
Speaker 1: But time to say farewell. She wrote. When one door closes,
Speaker 1: another one opens.
Speaker 2: When one door, when one door closes, that little window
Speaker 2: in the prison cell opens and you can see her
Speaker 2: husband just kidding now I have to say that we
Speaker 2: did do many stories about the Timothy, and we didn't
Speaker 2: think we were like unsure.
Speaker 1: The jury's out, there's a new Oh well, well listen,
Speaker 1: this is attached and I'm going to quick digression on
Speaker 1: the same deligation canceled, canceled Timothy Bussfield Moan's career is
Speaker 1: done in testimony as he faces sex of these charges.
Speaker 1: So this is brand new. This is out as of
Speaker 1: like a couple of days ago. So he complained to
Speaker 1: the jury that his quote, career is done, my children, grandchildren,
Speaker 1: everybody in my life is done because of these false
Speaker 1: allegations for money and for revenge, he said during his
Speaker 1: grand jury testimony. Quote these two criminals, the boy's parents,
Speaker 1: have ruined me and my wife, Melissa Gilbert and her business.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to break that, he added. He complained
Speaker 1: his career is done. He was canceled. Does not look good.
Speaker 1: I'll never work again, just based on people's fear that
Speaker 1: I would do this again. And even if it wasn't true,
Speaker 1: I'm done. I've lost TV, even if it wasn't true.
Speaker 1: Even yeah, that's so weird. Yeah, guys, even if on
Speaker 1: the off off chance a big if if it wasn't
Speaker 1: true that I did this, the biggest if in the world,
Speaker 1: because I probably did. But let's just say hypothetically, I
Speaker 1: didn't do any of this. I'm still done, guys, he says,
Speaker 1: I've lost TV shows, a movie. They've digitally, digitally replaced
Speaker 1: me from my agency, fired me. I'm done. This is
Speaker 1: not about me or a pity thing. No, no, not
Speaker 1: at all. It's not no pity. This is not about pity.
Speaker 1: This is just about During his testimony, he denied inappropriately
Speaker 1: touching the boys, but admitted to tickling them and having
Speaker 1: his arms round them. He also claimed the twin boys
Speaker 1: and their parents allegedly orchestrated the false allegation because the
Speaker 1: child actors were dropped from the fourth season of The
Speaker 1: Cleaning Lady, which he produced and occasionally directed.
Speaker 2: How old were the boys?
Speaker 1: I forget? Did you just say that they were seven?
Speaker 1: There were seven?
Speaker 2: That's a fine line. What if they were sixteen? I
Speaker 2: tickled them what, I.
Speaker 1: Held them with my sweet arms around them, these sweet boys,
Speaker 1: and just tickled them mercilessly. But you know, we love tickling.
Speaker 2: I mean, I gotta say I'm not a fan of
Speaker 2: people tickling other people's children. And I know, and I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to make it a bad thing.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, you know it means, but I do
Speaker 2: think you know, maybe don't do that.
Speaker 1: Is that fair? Well one of the boys, don't forget that.
Speaker 1: One of the boys claimed that he touched his genitals
Speaker 1: over his clothes several times. But he denies that. But
Speaker 1: but also, don't forget And you know, this is like
Speaker 1: my new my catchphrase, never forget that. We when we
Speaker 1: were doing deep dives on Timothy Bussfield, we found a
Speaker 1: lot of other stuff he did. I don't even remember.
Speaker 2: I don't even I believe you, I just don't. I
Speaker 2: blocked it out.
Speaker 1: He uh like was a cute he was like, there
Speaker 1: was a battery charge against next girlfriend. There were other
Speaker 1: things that he did. Let's see.
Speaker 2: You know, I hate to say this. Well, I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say it. I hate to say it, so
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say it because it was it
Speaker 2: was just now not doing it, okay, because I was
Speaker 2: going to go after his looks and that's not what
Speaker 2: we do on the show.
Speaker 1: Let's see. There was a court documents detail in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine allegation from a woman who claims he sexually
Speaker 1: assaulted her at Sacramento's B Street Theater when she was
Speaker 1: then a sixteen year old intern. They don't forget about that.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't think we ever talked about that.
Speaker 1: And there were a couple of other things too. But listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying listen. He's not convicted yet, so I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I'm just telling you. I'm just telling
Speaker 1: you that, like poor Melissa Gilbert, she did get fired,
Speaker 1: and she got fired because of it. But you know what,
Speaker 1: you're not going to keep your job at the Hallmark
Speaker 1: Network right when your husband, probably.
Speaker 2: Because she's got more of a name, so she's paid more.
Speaker 2: So they're like, we got to cut you. If you
Speaker 2: won't take less money. She says, budget it'll be So
Speaker 2: that's what she's.
Speaker 1: Well, she's saying, that's an excuse. The real story is
Speaker 1: that they didn't want her there because her husband's being
Speaker 1: accused of sexual allegations and it's the Hallmark Channel. It's
Speaker 1: like religious, yeah, yeah, so that's sad. All right, let's
Speaker 1: end on this Liam Payne story. Is it too sad?
Speaker 1: We find something? Okay, No, it's fine. We're about So
Speaker 1: for those.
Speaker 2: Who don't remember, Liam Payne was very, very sad, died
Speaker 2: in a really crazy way. Was this a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago? By yeah, twenty twenty four October twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: He had done a bunch of drugs and was manic
Speaker 2: and psychotic and he fell off his balcony. Right, wow,
Speaker 2: this is one direction if you don't follow one direction,
Speaker 2: and he had a lot of promise.
Speaker 1: Was it was sad?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's always sad when something like this happens.
Speaker 2: Very talented and very sad. So his close friend, according
Speaker 2: to TMZ, Roger Nores, is a fly in the clear
Speaker 2: of the investigation into the One Direction Star's death. But
Speaker 2: prosecutors are not done with the case yet. So the
Speaker 2: records obtained by New York Posts show that this guy,
Speaker 2: he's an Argentine businessman. He's been cleared of all criminal.
Speaker 1: Charges tied to the fall.
Speaker 2: The prosecutors did appeal, did not appeal the rule, the
Speaker 2: ruling making the dismissal final.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what was he accused of.
Speaker 2: He'd been accused of abandoning Liam Payne despite allegedly knowing
Speaker 2: that he was struggling with addiction.
Speaker 1: He maintained.
Speaker 2: Roger maintained that he was simply Liam's friend, not his caretaker,
Speaker 2: and insisted he did everything he could do to help him.
Speaker 2: I'm already siding with Roger on this me too. Is
Speaker 2: not his fault that Liam took a shit ton of
Speaker 2: drugs and died. That's just not fair, agree his attorney.
Speaker 2: Roger's attorney echoed that position in a statement of The
Speaker 2: New York Post, saying that he has never had the
Speaker 2: duty of caring for pain. He was not his physician,
Speaker 2: his nurse, or his therapist. Judges ultimately agreed, ruling that
Speaker 2: Liam Payne was responsible for his own decisions and found
Speaker 2: that Laura's for no criminal responsibility. And there was another
Speaker 2: In February of twenty twenty five, Roger was cleared of manslaugh.
Speaker 2: He was charged with manslaughter. Oh my god, after the
Speaker 2: court ruled that there was nothing he could have done
Speaker 2: to save him. So somehow, because remember he left, he
Speaker 2: was with his friend. Then the friend was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I can't deal left because Liam was just off his rocker,
Speaker 2: and you would assume he'd be okay, He's done in
Speaker 2: drugs a billion times and he's just pacing his hotel room.
Speaker 2: He never would have thought like, oh, he'll probably go
Speaker 2: outside and jump. Why do you see that you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: And also, why is it your responsibility even if somebody
Speaker 1: is really drunk? What you So now we have to
Speaker 1: stay in somebody's hotel room and watch them be just
Speaker 1: insane drunken on drugs opposite, Yeah, that's meeting. I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: You got to stay to the end.
Speaker 1: Or it's your fault. Oh my god, yes, what the hell?
Speaker 2: And then the investigation is still going because the two
Speaker 2: men that have been accused of supplying Liam with drugs
Speaker 2: before his death, they remain under investigation. Now I understand
Speaker 2: that you dealt drug like, yeah, you go after the dealers.
Speaker 2: I still think it's the responsibility of the person. But yeah,
Speaker 2: of course the dealers did something illegal, but his friend didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, But like you, you know, you look
Speaker 1: at like how many people are in jail now or
Speaker 1: there are lives messed up because of well, I mean,
Speaker 1: some of these people deserve it. So this is going
Speaker 1: to sound like a bad take, but hear me out.
Speaker 1: Let it happen, Just let it happen. But with the
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry thing, you know, like, all of these people
Speaker 1: are in jail, But do they not think that Matthew
Speaker 1: Perry would have gotten the drugs another way?
Speaker 2: I think they're two separate things on that one. That's
Speaker 2: such a good point. But I think it's that, yes,
Speaker 2: two things can be true. Matt Perry would have gotten
Speaker 2: it another way and whatever he wanted, you know, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't looking good for a long time. But those
Speaker 2: people still should go to jail because they had like
Speaker 2: an entire empire built on like selling people ketamine.
Speaker 1: Right, but they were I think they should go to
Speaker 1: jail for dealing drugs, legal drugs, but not for killing Harry.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh yes, like were there? So like, isn't that
Speaker 2: what they got? Did they get like manslaughter or in
Speaker 2: voluntary manslick? Is that what they got?
Speaker 1: Well? I mean, what am I like a reporter? How
Speaker 1: should I know?
Speaker 2: I think you might be right because now it seems
Speaker 2: I mean maybe the news just made it seem like that,
Speaker 2: but really they're going because they've been dealing millions of
Speaker 2: dollars worth of drugs and working with cartels, some of them,
Speaker 2: you know, like the ketamine queen was just like a
Speaker 2: what do I just she was just a mess. She
Speaker 2: was a real mess. She was a total knit wit.
Speaker 2: Are you looking up to see what they were lanslaughter, Yeah,
Speaker 2: look you could try with the start with the ketemine,
Speaker 2: Queen math.
Speaker 1: You Harry, it's having trouble typing hold. Then well they
Speaker 1: were caught. They were they pleaded guilty. Five different individuals
Speaker 1: or were convicted for their roles in supplying the lethal
Speaker 1: dose of ketamine that caused his death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they should go to jail for the
Speaker 2: drug dealing or whatever. That's such a massive amount. We're
Speaker 2: not talking like a guy's selling pod on the corner.
Speaker 1: So Kenneth guy was great. Remember this guy, the living assistant,
Speaker 1: admitted to repeatedly injecting Perry, including the fatal doses, and
Speaker 1: he got three years in five months in prison.
Speaker 2: So crazy.
Speaker 1: And then doctor Salvador Placentia, he's from La supplied Perry
Speaker 1: with the drug and taught the personal assistant how to
Speaker 1: inject it. He was sentenced to two and a half years.
Speaker 1: And then this guy, Eric Fleming, who was an acquaintance
Speaker 1: and he acted as a middleman. He sourced the ketamine
Speaker 1: and delivered delivered it to Perry's assistant and he was
Speaker 1: sentenced two years in jail. And then Mark Chavez, a
Speaker 1: physician who supplied ketamine to doctor Plas sentia. He got
Speaker 1: a lot of people he admitted to conspiring to distribute, okay,
Speaker 1: so that but he only got he was spared prison time.
Speaker 1: He got eight months of home detention and three hundred
Speaker 1: hours of community service. So he supplied the ketamine to
Speaker 1: a doctor and he got a much lighter sentence, right,
Speaker 1: But then the jazz vein, the ketamine queen was sentenced
Speaker 1: to fifteen years in prison.
Speaker 2: She was ouled one second, someone's knocking at my door.
Speaker 2: Hold one second, let's see if it's the ketamine queen.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So anyway, all those the ketamine queen was
Speaker 1: the primary supplier, so she got fifteen years in jail.
Speaker 1: But I guess it's not manslaughter. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody should be responsible for Liam's death.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying, I agree, except well, yes he's the
Speaker 2: responsible one. But the people that sold him, you know,
Speaker 2: at the hotel, like it should be looked at them.
Speaker 2: Should they go to jail for life? Of course I
Speaker 2: don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's just it's not a separate thing though,
Speaker 1: that they're they should be arrested for dealing drugs, not
Speaker 1: for killing Liam Payne with them.
Speaker 2: And I guess the math thing was a little different
Speaker 2: because they were literally like injecting it. I mean he
Speaker 2: was making it, you know, not making them, but probably
Speaker 2: paying them a lot. And you know, it's it's so complicated.
Speaker 1: It's so complicated, is and I only was a lawyer
Speaker 1: for fifteen years or so. It's not enough time.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that at all. Honestly, that's surprising.
Speaker 1: I don't you know what, in terms of lawyering, which
Speaker 1: is what we call it, it's not as it's not
Speaker 1: that long, like there's still a lot to learn, and
Speaker 1: I think at a certain point I just felt like
Speaker 1: I'm never going to learn everything. You know.
Speaker 2: You know what My favorite thing to do on threads
Speaker 2: now is too when somebody goes block blah blah, thanks
Speaker 2: for coming to my TED talk, which drives me freaking crazy,
Speaker 2: not saying that I will write like a lengthy thing
Speaker 2: and go actually this is not a TED talk. You
Speaker 2: have to you have to go through like a series
Speaker 2: of you have to be accepted by the TED community.
Speaker 2: Then you give a speech at certain places and they're
Speaker 2: like kind of like licensed by Ted, just so you know,
Speaker 2: like this definitely is not a Ted talk. I just
Speaker 2: like the idea of just really literally taking everything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I just want you to know this isn't I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a take, like it's your opinion, right, that's like copyright.
Speaker 2: I mean that's a different thing.
Speaker 1: That I know. This is not our topic at all,
Speaker 1: and we have and we're ending our show. But I
Speaker 1: do want to say that something that makes me laugh
Speaker 1: on threads is sort of the threads language that people use,
Speaker 1: like calling it instead of the hospital, people somehow call
Speaker 1: it the hopital. Have you heard of that? Oh? Oh,
Speaker 1: it's like a thing. It's like a private joke among
Speaker 1: people on threads, which I guess you're not really part
Speaker 1: of the threads.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not part of the thread community. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the thread when they're like hay threnders. There's so many today,
Speaker 2: that's so many of I think I really believe maybe
Speaker 2: it's just because I'm missing board AF, but I think
Speaker 2: we should have an entire day every week where we
Speaker 2: just do dating thread threads because there's so many and
Speaker 2: they just start. They make me happy personally. If you
Speaker 2: guys don't want them. Let us know before we start
Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah, let us know right now, even though
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