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<v Speaker 1>Kate was a person who saw the best in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>She knew what humanity could be and was an advocate

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<v Speaker 1>to do better, to strive for more. Her passion in

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<v Speaker 1>everything she stood for, however, would ultimately lead to her

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<v Speaker 1>untimely and gruesome death, and the very organization that was

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<v Speaker 1>at fault turned their back on her family in the aftermath.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of Peace Corps volunteer Kate Poosy.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim, a true crime podcasting.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast and material in for a mature audience,

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion is advised. Remember that time I said that

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be a horrible transition into Patreon.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the time?

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<v Speaker 1>This is it? It's that we're just thanking patrons right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So shout out to Courtney Wheeler, Brittany Olsen, Boblet, Brianna Seymour.

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<v Speaker 1>my best. Hellic, Nick tur and Kerry g Awesome. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. You guys get all that awesome behind

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Like we honestly appreciate that so much.

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<v Speaker 1>We do. You guys really are a big integral part

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<v Speaker 1>of keeping the show going. So thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for everything you do. It means a lot. Plus you

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<v Speaker 1>get to be awesome patrons. You get to be back

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<v Speaker 1>there amazing people. So yeah, yeah, how was that for

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<v Speaker 1>a horrible patreone?

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<v Speaker 2>It was unexpected, that was what I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, all right, cool, it was different. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't like smooth by any means. No, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay, That's what I was aiming for. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>are officially five episodes away from Big two hundred. This

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<v Speaker 1>is episode one ninety five. Wow, how does that make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel old?

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<v Speaker 2>Old?

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<v Speaker 1>We've been going for a while, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like yeah, it makes me feel I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>time just flyes so darn fast. I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get it. I don't get it. Well, it does not

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<v Speaker 2>seem like we've put two hundred episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>Out, No, And I mean we're gonna be pumping out

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<v Speaker 1>more now that we're starting to do Friday episodes. Because

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<v Speaker 1>like last week, minus the whole like server error with

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<v Speaker 1>the Patreon episodes, we had three episodes we actually released last.

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<v Speaker 2>Week and this one we record what day is it today? Saturday?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm almost on holidays, so just don't mind me today

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<v Speaker 2>Nichole's and holiday moment already, I'm trying to be Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's Saturday, and this is the Tuesday episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we usually record on Monday, Monday night, right hours

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<v Speaker 1>before the episode's release. Yeah, but yeah, we had to

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<v Speaker 1>be above our normal schedule and be on the ball

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<v Speaker 1>this time.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and we should note that too because of

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thanking patrons. So you've kind of sign up

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<v Speaker 2>and you're thinking you'll be thanked. It will be next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeh, next Tuesday, because Fridays we're not, but Tuesday as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet you get it, you understand, okay, Kate poosy Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>are you ready for the story?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I feel like this story is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I mean, it's a true crime podcast, so

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<v Speaker 1>mostly we deal with terrible things. Unfortunately, you don't say.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like we've been on a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>stint of doing some different type weird cases recently, and

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<v Speaker 1>this one definitely falls in that category. Again, It's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some different dynamics to it. We deal with the

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<v Speaker 1>Peace corpses I already kind of mentioned, which we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what that is and how it was all involved

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<v Speaker 1>and everything, but it's different. Maybe maybe one day soon

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just get to the stereotypical serial killer and how

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<v Speaker 1>they get caught. But for now we're going a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>You're doing a good job over there, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It means a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm just here for the ride until vacation. Well no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean after vacation, I'm hoping I can get a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would be nice.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be really nice.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be But for now we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Kate, so we digress back onto the case. Kate

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<v Speaker 1>Poosey was born on June nineteenth, nineteen eighty four, in Augsburg, Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>where both of her parents worked as teachers. Now, though

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<v Speaker 1>born in Germany, they would soon move when she was

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<v Speaker 1>only nine years old, and Kate spent her childhood from

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<v Speaker 1>then on in Okinawa, Japan. Now this is where she

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<v Speaker 1>continued to grow learn, you know, play as a kid

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<v Speaker 1>right all the way up until she graduated high school

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<v Speaker 1>and she left for college. Now, from a young age,

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<v Speaker 1>though Kate showed a blend of empathy, finess, and smarts,

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<v Speaker 1>and during her high school year she was actively involved

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<v Speaker 1>in advocating for various causes, showcasing her passion for making

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<v Speaker 1>a difference, and was elected even student body president twice.

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<v Speaker 1>And she even graduate graduated as valedictorian in twenty wow

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<v Speaker 2>Right on, yeah, she sounds awesome. She is.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got a good heart, she's smart, and she isn't

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<v Speaker 1>too much about herself. She's for others, other people for

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that sounds awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And from there, Kate would then attend post secondary

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<v Speaker 1>in France, majoring in sociology with a minor in business Now.

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<v Speaker 1>During these years, she also worked with underprivileged children, often

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<v Speaker 1>supporting guidance for those you know in need, right, doing

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<v Speaker 1>her volunteer work again doing what's best?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Those who knew Kate said she was known for her

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<v Speaker 1>radiant smile and positive attitude, and said that she always

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<v Speaker 1>left a lasting impact on everyone that she met with

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of person. With the kind of person that

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<v Speaker 1>Kate was, it's not surprising to hear that she aimed

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<v Speaker 1>to have a career in a nonprofit management position focusing

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<v Speaker 1>on international development and advocacy for women and children. More specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone knew exactly what Kate was about who she was,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would use all these different words and terms

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<v Speaker 1>and descriptions and terminology that I've already thrown out there

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<v Speaker 1>in an attempt to capture who she was in a

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<v Speaker 1>summed up sentence. But Kate, for her, it was easy

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<v Speaker 1>to define who she was. She simply described herself as

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<v Speaker 1>an optimistic realist and was committed to making a positive

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the world day.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like if someone was like doing an intro

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<v Speaker 2>over me, I wouldn't be half that good. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>Like she just sounds fricking phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. And then from what everyone like the resume

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<v Speaker 1>she has on what kind of person she is and

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<v Speaker 1>how everyone can describe her in such a heart of

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<v Speaker 1>gold person, She's like, I'm just an optimistic realist.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she's just like like light, just like light,

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<v Speaker 2>very like beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Human pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, after graduating, Kate continued to follow her heart of

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<v Speaker 1>Gold and volunteered with the International International Rescue Committee, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a global human humanitarian organization. I'm having troubles talking

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<v Speaker 1>tonight apparently, sorry, my apologies for that, and now this

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<v Speaker 1>organization provides emergency assistance and relief. As a result, Kate

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<v Speaker 1>would find herself traveling extensively to countries like England, in Indonesia, Italy, Ghana, Greece, Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Morocco,

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<v Speaker 1>Hong Kong, Spain, and Thailand.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot of places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There upon, yeah, going to different countries, volunteering and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Within her life, she traveled to many different places. Her

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<v Speaker 1>talents for writing and photography that she developed from school

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<v Speaker 1>and in her travels helped her share her experiences with

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<v Speaker 1>friends and families, providing a window into her adventures and

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<v Speaker 1>the cultures that she encountered along the way. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, Kate expanded her dedication of doing good

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<v Speaker 1>and bettering the world by joining the Peace Corps. So

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<v Speaker 1>the Peace Corpse, if for anyone who doesn't know, is

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<v Speaker 1>a US government initiative established in March of nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 1>it is still an organization today. Now they're objective, their

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<v Speaker 1>core objective included providing technical assistance to developing nations, promoting

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper understanding of American culture abroad, and enriching Americans

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<v Speaker 1>awareness of other cultures as well. So from outside of assistance,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a two way learning street, from culture to cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>Volunteers worked in various sectors such as education, health, agriculture,

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<v Speaker 1>and by living and working within local communities, they share

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<v Speaker 1>American culture and values while immersing themselves in the customs

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<v Speaker 1>and traditions of the host country itself. So those volunteers

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<v Speaker 1>are actually going abroad to some of the countries that

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<v Speaker 1>you know that Kate actually traveled to, living in the

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<v Speaker 1>actual cultures the villages or wherever it might be, and

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<v Speaker 1>volunteering to maybe agriculture, hospitals or schools, and they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>immersing themselves in what these cultures are and then bringing

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<v Speaker 1>their knowledge from North America and you know, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we teach North America and these are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things on English skills or whatever they're teaching.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And they just bring these things over

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<v Speaker 1>and teach and share and then take back as well.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like such a cool experience. Hey, Like I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, that's just an amazing life experience. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even imagine going it'd be so phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's sorry it's called Peace Corp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Peace Corpse Corpse Corps.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the experience with the Peace Corps volunteer, though, does

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<v Speaker 1>not end with their actual service while they are abroad.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon returning home home to North America, they bring back

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<v Speaker 1>their invaluable insights and experiences, of course, contributing to the

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<v Speaker 1>broader global awareness sort of thing, right, because it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just so much about them going out and doing good

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<v Speaker 1>in other countries. It's about like, hey, what can you

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<v Speaker 1>bring back to right, what can we learn from your experience?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, since the Peace Corpse inception, over two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty thousand individuals have volunteered, which is phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's really good. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was the perfect thing for Kate to join.

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<v Speaker 1>It made perfect sense, and it matched the whole sense

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<v Speaker 1>of what kind of person she was perfectly to a t.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I was thinking that.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, Well, I mean, why else would I

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<v Speaker 1>have just talked about it?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Just Hey, we're talking about Kate and then Peace Corps

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<v Speaker 1>but anyways, back to Kate.

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<v Speaker 2>They do a line like that, it seemed like her

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<v Speaker 2>values the values of this corporation, like in.

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<v Speaker 1>A line there is definitely a ven diagram here going

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<v Speaker 1>on with yeah for sure. Yeah. So when she did volunteer,

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<v Speaker 1>she was assigned to teach English in a rule village

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<v Speaker 1>of again probably going to pronounce this wrong bad deuish. Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no in that. I don't know why I said that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad dewey, bad dewey. I don't know b A d

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<v Speaker 1>j o U d a e love.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're not sure, you're just spelling it.

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<v Speaker 1>Bad Joe day, bad Joe day.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways, it's in Benin, which is in West Africa.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the village itself can't pronounce my apologies, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is in Benin, West Africa, okay. Now. Benin is a

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<v Speaker 1>of Dahomi, which holds cultural diversity with you know, many

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, right, Okay. Yeah, Sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>really hard to portray another country, another place, like I've

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, when when you're kind of just like learning

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<v Speaker 1>Place exactly right. So, yeah, now, the country's economic economy

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure deficits, which is exactly why Peace Corps has taken

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<v Speaker 1>see what they can do to, you know, help them develop,

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<v Speaker 1>available like in this port for example, their trade, their

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<v Speaker 1>course of these two years that she was there, and

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<v Speaker 1>she built a strong relationship with the local community, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the women and children. Kate's initiatives included creating

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<v Speaker 1>to advocating for women's rights. The Peace Corpse was everything

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<v Speaker 1>Kate had dreamed it. She was making a difference, She

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<v Speaker 1>who needed it. Each day she did her best and

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that just sounds amazing, creates a girls club,

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<v Speaker 2>like are you kidding me? Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>However, like any group or organization in the world, there

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<v Speaker 1>are those within it who are corrupt, people who will

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<v Speaker 1>twist things in order to take advantage. Kate, Unfortunately, you

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<v Speaker 1>would find out that the Peace Corpse was not an

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<v Speaker 2>Dang here, I was like, this is such a nice story,

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<v Speaker 2>and here we go just going downhill from here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming yeah, you could say that. Unfortunately, Kate would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually discover that someone who was working for the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>Corps organization was assaulting young girls. So, through her interaction

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<v Speaker 1>with the local community and her students and being a

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<v Speaker 1>beloved community member, she developed very close relationship and ships

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<v Speaker 1>with these people, particularly the women and children with the

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<v Speaker 1>clubs and organizations she was running and developing. Right through

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<v Speaker 1>these relationships, she became aware of these incidents, and it

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<v Speaker 1>left Kate with no other decision. She had to report

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<v Speaker 2>Kate, I'm confused, So someone like a volunteer was harassing

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<v Speaker 2>like say, people in this girls club, or like other volunteers, or.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to get we're getting into it. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>literally about to just start describing on that, so don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>So on February ninth, two thousand and nine, Kate sent

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<v Speaker 1>an email to her Peace Corpse County director reporting allegations

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<v Speaker 1>of sexual misconduct by a local teacher named Constant Bio. Now. Constant,

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<v Speaker 1>who taught at Kate's school, was also regularly hired by

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<v Speaker 1>the Peace Corpse in Beneaen to facilitate volunteer training sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is a local of the area because everything

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening with them being in this other country, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not just all volunteers coming over, right, they also hire locals.

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<v Speaker 1>They hire people and create this like I don't know station,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, and volunteers come over and help, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that sounds great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, so Constant was the one that we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about here, this local, Okay. So in her email,

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<v Speaker 1>Kate's detailed how Constant had been assaulting and raping young

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<v Speaker 1>girls in the village. She felt it was crucial for

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<v Speaker 1>the county director to be aware of this behavior, not

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<v Speaker 1>only for moral reasons of it needing to stop and

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<v Speaker 1>this vile action needing to be putting an end to it,

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<v Speaker 1>but she also had concerns that the association with the

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Corpse and this individual would damage the organization's reputation

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<v Speaker 1>within the community itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Wow, imagine finding out about that. Hey, yeah, that's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think I'd be able to sit back

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<v Speaker 1>very very long, if at all. Yeah, speaking up. So,

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<v Speaker 1>while the email itself has not been least publicly, I

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<v Speaker 1>was able to find an excerpt from what she said.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is a little bit of a clip of

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<v Speaker 1>how it reads, and it goes like this quote. Please

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<v Speaker 1>believe me, I'm not someone who likes to create problems,

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<v Speaker 1>but this has been weighing heavy on me. I've loved

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<v Speaker 1>my time as a volunteer, and it's important to me

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<v Speaker 1>that the Peace Corpse remain a respected organization in the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of our host country. This man is not someone

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<v Speaker 1>I want representing Peace Corpse to the Benese community.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it sounds like, yeah, like she really

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<v Speaker 2>just from that little blip of the letter or the

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<v Speaker 2>email that she put like a lot of thought into it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know she did. She took this very seriously. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell thought about it every which angle possibly

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<v Speaker 1>and took it very not even just very seriously, but

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<v Speaker 1>very professionally as well, which props to her. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I could have done that, I know I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have been like, get this piece of fucking shit out

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, because I feel like a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they would just like lose their shit and

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<v Speaker 2>could potentially go and approach this person, which could make

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<v Speaker 2>things a lot worse. Right, So she was definitely doing

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, with the new information at hand, the Peace

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<v Speaker 1>Corps organization had a problem that clearly needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>dealt with. So, due to the information that Kate had

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<v Speaker 1>provided to the county director about this individual in Benin,

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<v Speaker 1>Constant Bio was informed that he would no longer be

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<v Speaker 1>employed by the Peace Corps.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that was that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was that. Now. I don't know how things operate

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<v Speaker 1>in this country in Benin, as I already mentioned, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never been there, so describing it was already a challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is an assumption of mine here that I have,

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<v Speaker 1>and I assume that in an un underdeveloped country like this,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure securing a job might be hard to come by,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the man that we're talking about, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it could have been very devastating news that he had

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<v Speaker 1>just been fired from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, that doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's also very unfortunate. But at the time, the

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Corps volunteers had no whistleblower protection. Situations like this

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<v Speaker 1>were very rare, and they weren't. There weren't very many

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<v Speaker 1>protocols on how to deal with it, and so, according

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<v Speaker 1>to a report from the Peace Corps Office of Inspector General,

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<v Speaker 1>the information Kate shared was not kept confidentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're kidding me.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means it was well known within the Peace Corpse

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<v Speaker 1>that this man had had been fired, why he had

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<v Speaker 1>been fired, and more importantly, who relayed the information about

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<v Speaker 1>the actions that he was doing that got him fired

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>That honestly just seems like common sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So that you would keep that, one would think, why,

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<v Speaker 1>one would think.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, holy shit, that's kind of scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So Kate had even received a follow up call

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<v Speaker 1>from another Peace Corps employee regarding this matter and was

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<v Speaker 1>told that the information had become widely among the employees

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<v Speaker 1>of the Peace Corps office in Benin. One such employee, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>one such employee who learned what happened was a man

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Arlene Bio, also known as Jacques Bio,

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<v Speaker 1>who was an associate director of the Peace Corps in Benin,

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<v Speaker 1>and as you've probably already guessed by the last name,

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<v Speaker 1>was the brother of Constant Bio, the individual who was fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, No, I actually forgot his last name, so

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't put that together.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, fair enough, I'm glad I told you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, shit, shit shit.

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<v Speaker 1>The Peace Corpse response to Kate's report was, of course fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>They eliminated the problem right then and there. They got

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<v Speaker 1>him out of the out of the situation, removing the

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<v Speaker 1>man from his employment. However, the mishandling of the information

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<v Speaker 1>proved to be a grave mistake, as the organization allegedly

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<v Speaker 1>even disclosed to Constant Bio himself that Kate had been

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<v Speaker 1>the one who reported the misconduct, directly compromising her safety

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<v Speaker 1>and exposing too, of course, potential retaliation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, like, what the actual shit? This just seems okay

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<v Speaker 2>because it's not like she was reporting like something minor,

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<v Speaker 2>like this was a big fucking deal. That's like you

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<v Speaker 2>needed to be dealt with, like it needed to be

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, I agree?

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<v Speaker 2>And so the fact that now she is in any

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<v Speaker 2>sort of weird position is just like not okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, there is one devil's advocate here. We are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about an underdeveloped country still, So these are employees

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<v Speaker 1>employed by the Peace Corps, so they are members of

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<v Speaker 1>the Peace Corps organization, but they are beneath the civilians.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not talking about like people who are in

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<v Speaker 1>skyscraper towers in downtown New York and Chicago who deal

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<v Speaker 1>with this sort of sensitive information all the time. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I understand how without proper protocols, Yeah, they might

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<v Speaker 1>not understand that you should keep your mouth shut. Well, yeah, potentially.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what was she supposed to do. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not like she could just have had a blind,

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<v Speaker 2>blind eye to that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she couldn't, especially for a person like Kate. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no way she could have, especially when one of the

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<v Speaker 1>big things she was fighting for was for advocacy for

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<v Speaker 1>women and children.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so how everything played out. Just days after the

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<v Speaker 1>report was made, Kate Poosey was found dead. Gosh, her

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<v Speaker 1>lifeless body was discovered on the porch of her small

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<v Speaker 1>home and beneen her throat had been cut open ear

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, it was a brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>End that sent shockwave to the Peace Corps community.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that is just beyond fucked mm hmm, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I don't even know what to say.

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<v Speaker 2>You're trying to do the right thing and that happens

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<v Speaker 2>to you. Oh man, Okay, that's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>When their headquarters contacted Kate Poosey's parents to inform her

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<v Speaker 1>of in form them of her death, they refused to

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<v Speaker 1>provide any details or explanations on what happened. Lois and

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<v Speaker 1>Harry Poosey, her parents had to piece together the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>surrounding Kate's death by reading her emails and speaking with

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<v Speaker 1>other volunteers. Wow, they had to dig in and investigate

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to themselves because the Peace Corpse they.

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<v Speaker 2>Weren't taking any sort of responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>No, they were trying to sweep it under the rug.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but like someone who was amazing died, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>just sweep that under the fucking rug.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone does. Yeah, it's your responsibility to look after these

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<v Speaker 1>individuals and under your care someone was hurt or died,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter which one. And you have a responsibility towards that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were trying to sweep it under the rug.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And this is this gosh, because Kate had

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<v Speaker 2>thought this through so much, right and I bet you

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<v Speaker 2>and this was the reason why she had to think

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<v Speaker 2>it through so so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, oh man, because I guarantee you if she

428
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<v Speaker 1>was still in the USA, she wouldn't have had to

429
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<v Speaker 1>think twice. She would have just reported it then and

430
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<v Speaker 1>there because her nomine would have been kept.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh okay, that is just so fucking sad.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Four months after Kate's murder, the Peace Corpse ceased. All

433
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<v Speaker 1>communications with the Poosy family cut ties completely.

434
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<v Speaker 2>What the hell they're just it's just like their hand

435
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>going spiraling and handling this shit terribly.

436
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Authorities in Benin didn't take long to react to her

437
00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:53.240
<v Speaker 1>murder and soon made the arrest on Constant Bio as

438
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.400
<v Speaker 1>well as his brother Jake's Bio, and a Nigerian man

439
00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:01.799
<v Speaker 1>from Kate's village in connection with the murder. These men

440
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:05.839
<v Speaker 1>were held in prison for years without a proper trial occurring,

441
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>trapped in legal limbo sitting behind bars. It would be

442
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<v Speaker 1>eight years after Kate was murdered when the men finally

443
00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 1>saw the inside of a courtroom in Beneen. Unfortunately, it

444
00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:24.279
<v Speaker 1>didn't play out as anyone would hope. The court acquitted

445
00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.839
<v Speaker 1>all four men because there was a fourth that was

446
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.240
<v Speaker 1>arrested as well of killing her on February twenty fifth,

447
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, and were released as free men without any

448
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:36.400
<v Speaker 1>criminal records from the incident.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Gosh, why no evitt? Was there not enough evidence? Or

450
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.720
<v Speaker 2>they are doing like time and what is that when

451
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<v Speaker 2>someone liked time served? Time served?

452
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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's a few reasons, like over time, a lot

453
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<v Speaker 1>of doubts in their involvement in Kate's murder did begin

454
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<v Speaker 1>to emerge, but it was not really like anything. Really,

455
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, eh, did they really maybe?

456
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<v Speaker 2>But most likely most likely.

457
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<v Speaker 1>There was no one else and it's like they had

458
00:25:05.920 --> 00:25:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the motive and everything. But several factors were contributing to

459
00:25:09.920 --> 00:25:13.759
<v Speaker 1>their release. Lack of concrete evidence was a big one.

460
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<v Speaker 1>Directly linking these guys to the crime was proven to

461
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<v Speaker 1>be really hard. I mean, we are talking about an

462
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<v Speaker 1>undeveloped country as well. Investigating is probably not the best there.

463
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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution's case relied heavily on circumstantial evidence, since they

464
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<v Speaker 1>didn't have any actual concrete evidence and well the motive

465
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<v Speaker 1>as well to go along with it. Additionally, reports of

466
00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:40.440
<v Speaker 1>witness intimidation and fear allegedly affected the willingness of key

467
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<v Speaker 1>witnesses to testify against the accused in court. O dang

468
00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:50.000
<v Speaker 1>mishandling of evidence and potential corruption further complicated the case.

469
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<v Speaker 1>Remember we are talking about an undeveloped.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, I guess that. Yeah. I mean, it's good

471
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<v Speaker 2>that they serve some time. And the thing is too,

472
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<v Speaker 2>there's some like I do believe that they did it,

473
00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:06.079
<v Speaker 2>the brothers or whatever, Right, I don't know about the

474
00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:11.559
<v Speaker 2>other people, but like, oh my gosh, sorry, this is

475
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:15.119
<v Speaker 2>just I'm so upset for Kate. I can't even fucking

476
00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.079
<v Speaker 2>think right now. But we have had cases sometimes where

477
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.279
<v Speaker 2>like it is someone else, Right, we don't know everything

478
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that went down there, that's true. There's a small chance

479
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.119
<v Speaker 2>I guess that it could have been somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, Right, it could be I mean, she was

481
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>working with women and children in these close quarters. Maybe

482
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 1>there was something else going on that we're not Yeah,

483
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.720
<v Speaker 1>maybe she did something she wasn't even aware of.

484
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, so there is like the tiniest possibility that

485
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe it wasn't them.

486
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<v Speaker 1>I am ninety nine percent confident to say that it

487
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<v Speaker 1>was constant and.

488
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:56.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, But I mean, like you need evidence, right.

489
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<v Speaker 1>You do. So. The acquittal of these four guys, these

490
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.759
<v Speaker 1>individuals in connection with her murder, was of course met

491
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>with the frustration and disappointment from Kate's family and supporters.

492
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 1>They wanted justice for her death, and the verdict was

493
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 1>a significant blow to their hopes for closure and accountability now.

494
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>The Peace Corpse is a government agency tasked with ensuring

495
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 1>the safety and well being of the volunteers, and they failed.

496
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>They failed Kate's they failed her family, and they failed

497
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 1>the women who were assaulted as well. Kate's family and

498
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:33.759
<v Speaker 1>many others have questioned why the Peace Corps did not

499
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:37.400
<v Speaker 1>provide the necessary protection and support she needed, and why

500
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 1>her identity was revealed to the very person she was reporting.

501
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 1>The Poosy family, in response to the tragedy that they

502
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>had faced, took action and created a project called Kate's Voice.

503
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>The initiative aimed to raise awareness about Kate's murder and

504
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>press for the necessary reform within the Peace Corpse. Lois Poosey,

505
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Kate's mother, expressed her resolve in an offen David sent

506
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 1>to Congress, stating quote, after so much heavy grieving and

507
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 1>feeling betrayed, we finally decided to stop being victimized, hoping

508
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.400
<v Speaker 1>in vain for support from the Peace Corpse. As a family,

509
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 1>we developed an action plan to discover what really happened

510
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to Kate and assure that justice was done on her behalf.

511
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Kate's Voice sought to advocate for whistleblow or protection for volunteers,

512
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>higher quality standards in Peace Corps management, and better support

513
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.200
<v Speaker 1>for volunteer victims and their families. As a Poosy family

514
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>was building this report, another advocacy group known as the

515
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:43.039
<v Speaker 1>First Response Action was also being organized by Return Peace

516
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Corps Volunteer Now. First Response Action focused on demanding a

517
00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.799
<v Speaker 1>stronger response from Peace Corps for volunteers who were victims

518
00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>of physical or sexual violence as well. One of the founders,

519
00:28:55.880 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 1>Casey Frazzi, shared her personal experience quote, I was a

520
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Peace Corps volunteer in South Africa in two thousand and

521
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.680
<v Speaker 1>nine and I was unfortunately assaulted. While I was serving

522
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>as a volunteer, I found that there were many other

523
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>people who'd been raped or assaulted and weren't getting the

524
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.480
<v Speaker 1>services they needed. At the time that I was assaulted,

525
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 1>there was no policy for how Peace Corps should respond

526
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 1>to survivors of sexual violence and uphelic. We were just

527
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 1>too far along in recorded history to not have policies

528
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>like that. Both Kate's voice and first response action highlighted

529
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 1>the significant need for reform within the Peace Corps to

530
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>protect volunteers and provide adequate support for those who experienced violence,

531
00:29:40.319 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>aiming to ensure that future volunteers would not face the

532
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:50.240
<v Speaker 1>same tragic circumstances as Casey or as Kate. In response

533
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.640
<v Speaker 1>to the tragic murder of Kate Poosey, the US Congress

534
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>also made a move and passed the Kate Poosey Peace

535
00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 1>Corpse Volunteer Protection Act of two thousand eleven, which was

536
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<v Speaker 1>signed into law by President or Barack Obama himself on

537
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.119
<v Speaker 1>November twenty one, twenty eleven. And I do want to say,

538
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 1>there's also even a photo out there of President Barack

539
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 1>Obama standing next to Kate's brother and he's he's holding

540
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a picture of Kate and he's just staring at the

541
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>picture he's holding in his hand.

542
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<v Speaker 2>Dang. Well, you often say like these like rules or

543
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>policies and stuff or what is.

544
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:28.119
<v Speaker 1>Written in blood.

545
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was going to say signed in blood, but yeah.

546
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>They're written in blood because it takes someone to get

547
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:35.440
<v Speaker 1>seriously injured or killed for someone to say, hey, wait,

548
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>we should probably do something about that.

549
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, honestly, just like listening to this, it seemed

550
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm hoping it's gotten much better, but it's

551
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>almost like disorganized in a way that they're you know,

552
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>sending volunteers and stuff and to places and not really

553
00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:53.720
<v Speaker 2>knowing what they're fully getting themselves into.

554
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's it comes down to it's a safety

555
00:30:56.039 --> 00:31:00.920
<v Speaker 1>issue you do have. And I understand this might be

556
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a controversial thing for me to say, but you have

557
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 1>white women going to underdeveloped countries where maybe the main

558
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.680
<v Speaker 1>population there is their colored skin individuals. I think a

559
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.799
<v Speaker 1>white woman from a first world country going into these

560
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 1>areas is probably going to be like a target for

561
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>assault or rape. And it's terrible to think that, Yeah,

562
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.599
<v Speaker 1>but I think that might be a case. So yeah,

563
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to look at their safety. How are you

564
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:33.519
<v Speaker 1>going to go along protecting these individuals. Whether it is

565
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:37.039
<v Speaker 1>white women, white man, color doesn't matter whoever it is.

566
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 1>You have to look at their safety and how you

567
00:31:39.319 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>can protect them. You're responsible, you're sending them there.

568
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's just in well, gosh, maybe it's not

569
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>intro like I feel at that time. They I mean,

570
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I think you even said it, it's surprising that they

571
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't have more in place, But every year we come

572
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.960
<v Speaker 2>like further and further with this kind of stuff, Right,

573
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:03.000
<v Speaker 2>that's true. So it just seems like for twenty eleven

574
00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, that they should have already had something like this.

575
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Well that's exactly what Casey Frazzi was saying. To go

576
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:17.279
<v Speaker 1>back to her to quote, it felt like we were

577
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 1>just too far along in recorded history to not have

578
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 1>policies like that.

579
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

580
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, this legislation that was signed by President of

581
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama KATEE. Poosey Peace Corps Volunteer Protection Act was

582
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 1>designed to enhance the safety and security of Peace Corps volunteers,

583
00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:38.759
<v Speaker 1>particularly those reporting misconduct or facing threats, and to ensure

584
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:43.039
<v Speaker 1>the organization provided better support and protection. One of the

585
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 1>key provisions of this act was to was the establishments

586
00:32:47.039 --> 00:32:50.839
<v Speaker 1>of the Office of Victim Advocacy within the Peace Corps itself.

587
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:55.359
<v Speaker 1>The office is dedicated to supporting volunteers who are victims

588
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>of crimes, providing them with essential emotional, medical, and legal assistance.

589
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 1>To address the issue of a whistle flower protection, the

590
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Act implemented stricter confidentiality protocols, basically meaning their names will

591
00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>not be leaked. The Act also mandated improved training programs,

592
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:17.599
<v Speaker 1>both for volunteers and staff, focusing on sexual assault awareness,

593
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>risk reduction, and response strategies. This includes bystander intervention training

594
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>and clear reporting procedures. Additionally, to ensure accountability, the Peace

595
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Corpse is required to provide annual reports directly to Congress,

596
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 1>detailing the number of crimes reported by volunteers, the agency's response,

597
00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and the measures taken to improve volunteer safety. Wow, annual reports.

598
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, they're holding them accountable, big they are.

599
00:33:47.599 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Although Kate's life was tragically cut short, her legacy lives

600
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.519
<v Speaker 1>on through this legislation, which strives to create a safer,

601
00:33:54.880 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 1>more supportive environment for Peace Corps volunteers. The change is

602
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 1>brought on by the Act directly reflect the values Kate

603
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:05.720
<v Speaker 1>stood for during her life. Even in death, Kate is

604
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>contributing to a more secure and peaceful world.

605
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh shit, that totally is.

606
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.800
<v Speaker 1>That's the story of Kate Poosey.

607
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow. I'm okay, Like this is good because at

608
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.400
<v Speaker 2>one point I was like, holy shit, like no one's

609
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:23.599
<v Speaker 2>going to ever volunteer for this organization ever again after

610
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>hearing this, this is going real downhill. But it does

611
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 2>sound like they're you know, kind of kind of learning

612
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:33.119
<v Speaker 2>from some big mistakes.

613
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 1>Definitely so. And honestly though, like I don't want to

614
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>speak bad on the Peace Corpse because I do think

615
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>that they do phenomenal things. Well, yeah, they're an incredible organization,

616
00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:49.440
<v Speaker 1>But I do think if it weren't for Kate's family

617
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>actually going above their heads and like going to Congress

618
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and like fighting for this act that they were going for,

619
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't I think that the piece scarps would have

620
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>just swept it under the rug. I really do.

621
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I honestly feel terrible for Kate's family, like they

622
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 2>lost their child, but then to also, I don't know,

623
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.639
<v Speaker 2>to just be like, you know, swept under the rug

624
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 2>like that too. I know, it's just like a double

625
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:18.840
<v Speaker 2>whammy of heartache.

626
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Really, thankfully it wasn't. Thankfully it was actually being able

627
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.360
<v Speaker 1>to get brought to the fore. Yeah, and I do

628
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:26.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's thankfully to her family for doing well.

629
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Clearly her family is probably just as awesome as Kate is.

630
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<v Speaker 1>Right or was now, I do want to add one

631
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>more little thing. I do think Kate would be okay

632
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 1>with how things ended up. I mean, no one, of

633
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.559
<v Speaker 1>course wants to lose their life. But I think if

634
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 1>Kate knew this act that was implemented and how many

635
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<v Speaker 1>people she's probably helping with her incident, I do think

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<v Speaker 1>if there was an afterlife, I think she's probably looking down,

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<v Speaker 1>probably happy with what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think she's of course happy with being attacked,

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<v Speaker 1>but I do think she's happy with the aftermath.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah something. I mean, it's always like you can

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<v Speaker 2>just hope that something good will come out of terrible situations, right,

643
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<v Speaker 2>and in this situation it kind of did.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye. Still, it's been a while, but I officially want

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<v Speaker 1>to name Kate our Badass of the Day. Yeah, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we haven't named one forever, Hey, I haven't, huh.

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<v Speaker 1>It kind of caught me when I was writing this

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that was like, we we haven't done that for

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<v Speaker 1>a while. Kate someone who definitely deserves that title. She

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<v Speaker 1>is our Badass of the Day. For sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and she was born and was it ninety

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<v Speaker 2>four or something? I think you said.

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<v Speaker 1>No, she was eighty four, eighty four June nineteenth, nineteen

655
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<v Speaker 1>eighty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Still like just so taken way too goddamn young yeap.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, well, I hope you enjoy your vacation. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you have an eight hour drive ahead of you tomorrow morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you're not just thinking of this.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's you know, it's so interesting because before

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<v Speaker 2>when I would take road trips, like I would always

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<v Speaker 2>listen to true crime, like true crime podcast, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Whole Way, right, and then I would get to my

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<v Speaker 2>destination just be fucked because it's like so long to

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<v Speaker 2>be listening to the ship right. Well like not that

666
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<v Speaker 2>like that's bad, but just like terrible stories of people

667
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<v Speaker 2>being like variable and and anyway, And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I just usually listen to audio books. It's changed,

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<v Speaker 2>like I've changed a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, instead, you just.

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<v Speaker 2>Because we're like researching and I hear them more on

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<v Speaker 2>a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, whoa whoa, whoa whoa who's researching here?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I said we because I occasionally.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you need to get back onto it and give

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<v Speaker 1>us an episode here coming up.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, can you throw down the gauntlet and say before

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<v Speaker 1>episode two hundred do you think you can do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, how's this episode? Episode two oh one? Nicole's got it?

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<v Speaker 1>That's one you two and yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what is if I have one before? I

684
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<v Speaker 2>just don't have to worry about until two o one,

685
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<v Speaker 2>I guess. So okay, well we'll see I do like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm calling you out two hundred and what that's your

687
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<v Speaker 1>doing that episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's funny. I do have actually quite a few

689
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<v Speaker 2>cases picked that I want to research. It's just I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>June was absolutely insane for photography.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have a book that I've been reading for

692
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<v Speaker 1>a few weeks. I haven't picked it up for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tough read because the story is very heavy hearted.

696
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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you guys know right now. It's a story

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<v Speaker 1>of j C. Dugard. So I'm doing a deep dive

698
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<v Speaker 1>into her case. And yeah, so that one hopefully will

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<v Speaker 1>be coming out before we reach episode two hundred. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really taking my time with it. I want to do

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's one you got to take your time on

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. I also just have to say stop throwing

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<v Speaker 2>me under the bus here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe you should say about with episode.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't my full this is your full time job, dude.

707
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<v Speaker 2>To sha, I have another full time job to shae.

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<v Speaker 1>But you still need to do an I know, you gotta.

709
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<v Speaker 1>You gotta treat everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I should do one like once a month.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not it's unrealistic.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not. You were doing it once every other

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<v Speaker 1>week before.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, holy shit, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, holy shit. Yeah that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just like I don't know where the time goes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's never enough time. I need a clone.

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<v Speaker 1>Touche toche. Well, thank you guys for being here. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed this one. Maybe just in Hoary Kate,

722
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<v Speaker 1>just see if you can do a little bit good

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<v Speaker 1>out there in the next few days, you know, just

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<v Speaker 1>make the word a little bit of a better place,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Pick a piece of litter, give someone a compliment,

726
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<v Speaker 1>something small. Doesn't have to be anything crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. I mean, Lord knows that it's needed.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's yeah, that's the truth right there. Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 1>you guys want to check out all their links, then

730
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<v Speaker 1>the description of this podcast, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, all that

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00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.519
<v Speaker 1>good stuff. You can get tickets to our two hundredth

732
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<v Speaker 1>live event if you're local because it is a local event.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to join up for our Patreon, we

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<v Speaker 1>will be striking our streaming it there as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>give us a review if you enjoy the show. We

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you guys being here, especially if you are still

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<v Speaker 1>here after the episode's already done. We've been rambling. You

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<v Speaker 1>guys mean a lot to us. It means the world

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<v Speaker 1>because we are an indie podcast. It's just us. This

740
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<v Speaker 1>is it. There's no manager, no management team, no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's us in our tiny home with our pets.

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<v Speaker 2>Just killing it over here, you know. Okay, And so

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<v Speaker 2>next time I'm stay wicked.