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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to this surly you came to be Serious

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the podcast for real?

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Speaker 2: Okay, d If you try to stop me or vamp

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out in any way, I will stake you without even

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thinking twice about it.

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Speaker 3: Last five, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely you

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Can't Be Serious podcast Blame Boys.

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Speaker 1: With your co hosts James D.

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Speaker 2: Graves and Jason Collivin.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome to the Halloween edition of the

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Surly you Can't Be Serious Podcasts. We are here tonight

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and next week. Comparing Fright Night nineteen eighty five and

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The Lost Boys nineteen eighty seven. Super jazzed to be

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talking about these movies, Jason, what do you think? Man

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oh Man?

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Speaker 2: Completely fired up? Love these movies. I saw one. I

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saw Lost Boys in the movie theater definitely, and Fridy

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Night I caught up on HBO, I think and watched

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it a bunch. Love them both. Though, very excited to

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be talking about these what about you?

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Speaker 1: Super excited to talk about these as well? Because I

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was like nine and eleven when these movies came out.

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I wasn't seeing them in the theater, but you know,

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as soon as the folks are away, I was pulling

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them up on the satellite.

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Speaker 2: The gigantic satellite dish in the back of Yees, it's.

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Speaker 1: The gigantic satellite dish that I had to go out

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and hand crank to a notch inside of a steel pole.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty sure through some glitchy kind of snow,

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I caught both of these movies.

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Speaker 2: These movies are great because they combine not horror, but

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you know, sort of thrilling stories with comedy and a

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sense of style and scares. For sure, that's just a

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great combination.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had kind of resurrected the vampire movie, which

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had become a mockery in the early eighties. You had

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Once Bitten and Love at First Bite and several other

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just kind of cheesy vampire movies that were coming out,

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and these two movies made vampires cool again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if you remember this movie, but

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there was a movie called The Hunger that starred Susan Sarandon.

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It was actually the ex wife of Chris Sarandon, the

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head vampire from Fright Night.

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Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah it was. It was not a good movie.

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Okay, awesome, let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, let's jump in, all right. So these two movies,

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like we said, resurrected the vampire movie and made it

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cool again. They retained some of the comedic value that

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had come along, but they definitely made vampires scary and

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exciting again. The first of these movies to come out

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was Fright Night. So do you know the story behind

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how this movie came to be?

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Speaker 2: Well, I've heard a little bit about Tom Holland, who

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wrote and directed this movie. He was working on a

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movie that you and I both love from our childhood

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called Cloak and Dagger.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 2: The story that I heard from that was that he

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was working on Cloak and Dagger and got the idea

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of sort of a horror movie fan becoming convinced that

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he was living next door to a vampire, and imagined

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it sort of as a Hitchcockian Rear Window type of story.

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What do you know about it?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is actually based kind of upon a movie

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from nineteen forty eight called The Window. Rear Window was

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based upon a short story called It Had to Be

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Murder by a guy named Cornell Walich. The Window, which

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is about a boy who sees the murder, is also

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based on a Cornell Woolwich book called The Boy Who

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Cried Murder, Okay, And what happens in the window is

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there's this boy who, you know, is constantly lying. He's

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a younger boy, maybe ten twelve something like that, constantly

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lying to people about what's going going on, creating tall tales.

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And one of these tales gets him in big trouble

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and he decides to or is forced to sleep out

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on the stoop of his apartment complex. And when that happens.

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The night that that happens, there's a murder by his

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neighbors downstairs, and so when he tries to tell everybody

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about it, no one will believe him because he's the

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boy who Cried Wolf, right, He's told all these tall tales.

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So while he's witnessed this murder, he's trying to convince people,

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and the murderers are trying to get him. So sounds

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pretty similar, pretty similar. That's pretty similar to Fright Night,

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and also pretty similar to Cloak and Dagger. It was

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the same type of deal. You know, boy who has

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this active imagination about action adventure sees this very action

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adventure kind of murder and nobody will believe him. Meanwhile,

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the murderers are trying to chase him down. All super

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similar and just you know, you know how my brain works,

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I'm always making these connections. The actor that portrayed the

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Boy in the Window back in nineteen forty eight, Bobby Driscoll.

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You know him if you saw him. He was the

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kid in Treasure Island. He was also in Song of

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the South. He's in a bunch of Disney movies. And

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he also was the voice of Peter Pan, which of

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course is one of the three inspirational things for the Lost.

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Speaker 2: Boys, right the Lost Boy, Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Sadly though, the other connection is he's this famous child

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actor who then gets hooked on drugs, falls out in Hollywood,

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nobody will put him in anything, and ultimately dies due

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to his drug addiction, which is sad almost identical connection

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to what happened to Corey Haim too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that is sad. Back to Fright Night and

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the genesis of Fright Night. So what you were saying

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about the boy who cries Wolf combined with Rear Window,

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combined with you know, old style vampire horror movie, he

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thought the idea was good, sort of had a genesis,

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but he didn't think it was enough to go on.

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His thought process was, okay, so what's he gonna do?

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I mean, who's he gonna tell? So he believes there's

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a vampire next door? Who am I gonna tell? And

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he couldn't quite solve that problem. So he's talking to

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one of his friends who was the head of the

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story department at Columbia Pictures, a guy named John Buyers,

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and he said, well, you know, what would you do

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if that would happen. John's like, I would tell Vincent Price.

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And he's like, yeah, you know, that's it. And at

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the time, I don't know if you may remember this,

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but I definitely remember. You know, Friday night, late at night,

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there was sort of on my local TV station or

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some cable channels, there were these horror movie marathons, and

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they would have these hosts that would sort of take

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you to commercial and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: Elvira.

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Speaker 2: I watched Elvira.

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Speaker 1: Elvira. Heck, yeah, I'm turning into that. Even if the

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movies are terrible, I'm still gonna watch her hand or

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two some.

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Speaker 2: Elvira was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Vincent Price had, you know, he had obviously

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been a huge horror guy back in the sixties and

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seventies and kind of this similar pattern. And also a

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guy who we know from Star Wars, Peter Cushing, right,

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which is how we get Peter Vincent as the character.

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those guys were in these some of them really pretty

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cheesy horror movies. But he fully wanted Vincent Price to

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come in and play the part of Peter Vincent. But

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Vincent Price was like, listen, I have been categorized as

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this horror guy. I don't want I'm not going to

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do those things anymore. Not, you know. Plus I'm old

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and I just don't want to do horror movies that morning.

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I'm not going to do a horror movie.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson has already screwed me out of all this money.

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I'm not interested in doing ay of that stuff anymore.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, Peter Cushing plays Grandma of Tarkin, who

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is like second in command on the desk star in

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Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: He not only kills Tattooini's he also kills vampires. You

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don't know how hard I found it signing the order

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to terminate your life. Yes, so Tom Holland. He had

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written several screenplays and had some that became movies. He

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had written Psycho two, which was originally supposed to be

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just like a straight to cable but what he thought

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to himself is, I've got to write a script good

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enough for Anthony Perkins to come on to play Norman

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Bates again. And then once Anthony Perkins was in, then

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they were like, oh, we're going to devote some time

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and money to this, and it was actually was a

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pretty well received sequel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's good. I liked it.

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Speaker 1: He also wrote Class of nineteen eighty four, which came

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out in eighty two, but was about the violent gangs

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in high school and had in it as one of

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the major parts Roddy McDowell as a teacher. He's the

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teacher that brings the gun to school. Right, Oh cool, okay,

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and so kind of on the success of those two movies,

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they had wanted somebody else to direct, but he was

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like the other movie that he had done that he

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had written was called Scream for Help, and he was

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not happy with the way that it came out. It

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didn't do very well, and so he was kind of

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emphatic about directing this one. Well, at the time, he

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had at least had he had done about like two

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hundred commercials directing. He'd done acting work. He was actually

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in The Incredible Hulk, which I was just like, Wow,

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he's like a karate guy in The Incredible Hulky. But

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he's like, you know, Nope'm not gonna let you do

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this unless I'm the director, which just meant basically that

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they said okay, but they devoted very little money and

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or attention to it.

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Speaker 2: They were going to let him direct, but they weren't

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going to give a lot of time and attention and

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money to the project.

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Speaker 1: Right, which, as it turned out, worked out very well

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for him because he basically ran the show once he

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was directing it. There weren't studio executives in there kind

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of picking a part what he was doing. They were

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all concerned with Perfect which had John Travolta and Jamie

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Lee Curtis, which I mean, if I was a betting

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man in nineteen eighty four eighty five, I'd been like, yeah, sure,

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that movie's definitely going to be a success. You're doing

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another vampire movie. That's nice, Okay, whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard this story too, so perfect with John

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Travolta and Jamie Lee Curtis. Yeah, and the slugger's wife, right,

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which was a Neil Simon story which I've seen some

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baseball movie Honey good and I love baseball. So hey,

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I was gonna mention one thing before we got rolling

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too far away. When we're talking about Elvira. Cassandra Peterson

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is the actress who portrays Elvira. Of course she wears

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a wig and all that stuff. Did you know she

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is in Pee Wee's Big Adventure. He goes to the

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biker bar and he's like, I'm trying to use the phone,

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and they all decide they're gonna kill him, right, and

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I say we can stab him and then we kill

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him and he says, ah, sir, we let him go.

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And there's a woman biker and she's like, I say,

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you give him to me and they all laugh. That's

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Cassandra Peterson Alvirah herself.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna pluge p already on all things Pee Wee.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna plug Adventure every chance I get.

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And then a couple of years later, you've got Fright

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to write a Goonies style vampire movie. And their names

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the script. Four hundred thousand dollars. I looked at their history.

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of Ironside and Golden Girls. I mean, she's got no

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other writing credits. He doesn't have any other writing credits

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other than this, And they get paid four hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: Right. So they had different guys that they had considered

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to make this movie, one of whom was Richard Donner, right.

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directors of the eighties for sure. But ultimately who they

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into his story, but he started off involved in a

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lot of drugs, basically, but managed to get over his

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drug habit and got into the fashion world and worked

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at this department store. I believe it's called like Henry

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Baddell or something like that. Forgive me because it's like

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a New York City thing, Kenny Bloomingdale's basically. But he

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was a window dresser for this store. He'd put all

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the clothes on the mannequins out there in the storefront,

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and one day Woody Allen is walking by, he sees it,

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and he's like, who did this? He gets Joel Schumacher.

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costuming from a next movie. And suddenly he's in the

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movies making wee. He wrote the script for a movie

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called car Wash, and then in seventy nine, John Landis said,

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you guys are not willing to spend enough money on

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the incredible Shrinking Woman, and I'm not going to direct it,

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go get Joel Schumacher to come in and direct The

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Incredible Shrinking Woman. And I don't It's been decades since

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the time on TV as a kid, like it would

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seemed like it was just always on and I loved it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's very interesting. So I remember him from DC Cab.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the other mister T movie of the early eighties.

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Speaker 2: DC Cab and say almost Fire.

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Speaker 1: So when they get him aboard to direct The Lost Boys,

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he's like, Nope, don't want to do this goonies thing.

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he'd seen Fright Night at this point and was kind

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of turned on by the idea of sexy vampires, and

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so he's like, we're going to have our vampires be young,

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rock and roll looking sexy vampires.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's back up one second, because before Joel

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Schumacher came on, Richard Donner was set to direct Lost Boys. Yes,

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and he was going to direct it as a goonies

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go vampire type of movie, but it took a little

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bit longer than he wanted it to. He was kind

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of tired of hanging around, and when it finally came

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time to release it, he had another project that he

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was going to go work on. You might have heard

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of it.

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Speaker 1: Leith a Weapon Yeah, yeah, lethal Weapon. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And so it worked out. I mean, I am so

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glad that we got The Lost Boys from Joel Schumacher. Yeah,

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and we got leith a Weapon with Richard Donner, right.

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Speaker 1: And then Schumacher brings in another writer to rewrite the script.

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That writer's name is Jeffrey Bohm. And Jeffrey Boehm is

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the one who wrote leth a Weapon two and leith

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a Weapon three and also wrote Indiana Jones and The

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Last Crusade. I mean, he's a stud as far as

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I can see. I mean, he's written some fantastic scripts.

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Speaker 2: Wrote Interspace, which is a flavor of mind.

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Speaker 1: Oh. I love that movie. Yes, Tuck Pendleton, Machine zero Defects.

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What's amazing is how many people that were in this

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movie were like unknown actors at the time that they

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got cast in this movie. You've got You've got Key

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for Sutherland, You've got Jason Patrick, You've got Alex Winter,

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You've got Corey Hame. Corey Feldman was pretty well known

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at this point, it was, but this certainly didn't hurt

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his career at all. And and then you've got some

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real veterans out there. You've got Diane West, You've got

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Edward Herman, Edward Herman, I always get him, and Fred Munster.

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Speaker 2: And then you've got Bernard Hughes as a grandpa.

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Speaker 1: Need the TV guide, No, need a TV Bernard Hughes,

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who I remembered from a TV show when I was

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a kid called Mister Merlin. Did you ever watch Mister

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Merlin played? It was like supposed to take place in

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modern times, except he was Merlin, the magician from from

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King Arthur Days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right right.

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Speaker 1: And then of course he was also the crotchety old

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doctor in Doc Hollywood, which is another favorite movie of mine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's back up. Let's talk about the cast

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of Lost Boys for real quick, because you're absolutely right,

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these guys were unknowns at the time.

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Speaker 1: They tried to get Jason Patrick, and Jason Patrick said.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. Yeah, like Richard Dreyfus, they

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had to chase him. Right, let's all say it together together.

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I'm not doing this movie. They went after Jason Patrick,

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who I don't know if you know this or not.

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He is Jackie Gleason's grandson, Jackie Gleason of Smoking the Bandit.

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Speaker 1: Damn no way that you could come from my lawins.

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Well we get home punch o Mama right in the mouth.

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Speaker 2: Jason Patrick was Jackie Gleason's little possum pack.

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, so he turned the movie down. He

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didn't want to be flying around and biting people on

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the neck and stuff, and so he said no. Key

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for Sutherland obviously, I mean is the son of Donald Sutherland,

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who was a huge actor in the seventies, and so

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I always kind of had that same kind of idea

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that hey, he's just a he's following in the family business, right,

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up with Donald. He lived in Canada with his mom.

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old and really decided to go out and be an

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actor and just did it on his own, and he

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told his folks about it after he had already started

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having some success with it. But I saw this interview

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where they're talking to Jason Patrick and Key for Sutherland

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and the interviewer says, you know, I heard that you

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guys both turn this down, and Keifer Sutherland was like,

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I didn't turn it down. I would have done a

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Campbell super commercial at that stage because he hadn't done anything.

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Speaker 2: He had done At Close Range, right. Joel Schulmacher was

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moved by his appearance at the very end of At

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Close Range. It's a courtroom scene and basically he was

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emoting just using his face, right and stand By Me,

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he had filmed, but it hadn't been released yet, so

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he hadn't really didn't have a lot to stand on, right,

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so to speak.

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Speaker 1: Here's a story on that real quick. It's totally sidetrack,

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all right, sidetrack Okay, So he was in that movie

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with all of those guys, including Corey Feldman, but also

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River Phoenix, right and stand By Me, and he knew

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how to play the guitar. River Phoenix was learning how

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to play the guitar. And if you don't know, stand

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By Me is based upon a Stephen King story called

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The Body, and that's what the original name of the

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movie was going to be, was The Body. And so he's,

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you know, between takes when they're not working. He's working

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with River Phoenix on the guitar and he's like, oh,

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do you know the song stand by Me? That's a

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simple one, it's a good one to start off with.

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by and he's like, oh, stand by Me. I love

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that song, And like three weeks later that became the

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title of the movie.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is a great story that I've never heard.

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That is really cool. Just as a side note, the

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body stand by Me written by Stephen King. Yeah, fright night.

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There are a lot of similarities to Stephen King's story

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called Salem's Life.

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Speaker 1: Back to the cast, Yeah, so we're still we're working

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on the cast of Lost Boy still okay. So ultimately

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Joel Schumacher met with Jason Patrick and convinced him to

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do it by saying that he would allow him to

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have some creative input on how to handle things, and

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Keifer Sutherland said he was actually kind of instrumental in

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the way that the movie turned out. Interestingly, he and

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Keifer Sutherland are very close friends. But whenever key for

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Sutherland broke off his engagement with Julia Roberts. She ran

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off to Europe with Jason Patrick and they were a

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couple out there.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know that's awkward, but I've heard him

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talk since then their friendship has outlasted that little trade off.

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Speaker 1: So the outlasted the runaway Bride, Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Jason Patrick is also very instrumental in hiring Jamie Gertz.

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They yeah, they would not have hired her only because

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of Jason Patrick's insistence she had been in a movie

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with him called Solar Babies. When they were looking to

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hire an actress for the part of star, Schumacher was

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looking for someone a little more like Meg Ryan, blonde, right,

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that sort of shorter haircut. Burnett was not even on

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the board. But you know what, as a fourteen year

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old boy at the time, we're very thankful that they

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went with Jamie Gertz.

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Speaker 1: Right, nothing wrong with Meg Ryan, but yeah, Jamie Gertz,

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she had her hot going on in this movie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, majors.

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Speaker 1: So they've got all of these newbies and then they

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they they said, let's swing for the fences and let's

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try to get Diane Weese to play the mom. Now

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she is just won the Academy Award for Best Supporting

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Actress for Hannah and her sisters. So they're just thinking

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there's no way. Nope, she totally said, yeah, sounds great,

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Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is the introduction the to Corey's right, Corey Felderman

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and Corey Ham became friends in this movie, and they

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did a bunch of movies together, you know, movies like Dream,

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A Little Dream, and Licensed to Drive and Some Fun

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Used to Drive.

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Speaker 1: Heather Graham so pretty.

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Speaker 2: But this movie gave us Alex Winter Yeah, Bill s

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Preston Esquire as a vampire.

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Speaker 1: Yeap, how cool is that?

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Speaker 3: Excellent?

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Speaker 2: Okay, flip back to casting for Fright Night.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever watch The Edison Twins?

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Speaker 2: No, not familiar.

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Speaker 1: I watched it all the time. Apparently that was Corey

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Ham's first big role. His sister was the one who

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wanted to be an actress, and he would just go

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with her to her auditions. But they noticed him there

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and so he got he got parts and various things.

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and of course he did Lucas, which is a huge

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one from the eighties. Charlie Sheen, who was up to

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be cast as Charlie in Fright Night. I know it's awesome,

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but Tom Holland looked at him and said, no, you

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look like a hero. You look like a superhero. You're

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too good looking. No, how't you go? We want somebody

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who looks more like the boy next door. And I

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think that they cast it perfectly.

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Speaker 2: I did too. Walliaem Rexdale does a great job. He

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is whiny enough, but you can see him trying to

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become a man, you know what I mean. Yeah, Charlie

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Sheen just walks in the room AND's like, I'm gonna

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go kick his button. You believe it.

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Speaker 1: So he had been he had had a failed audition, decided,

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you know what, I've met that casting director. I'll give

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her a call and see, if, you know, if I

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can take her to lunch. And so he said, you

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want to go to lunch? And she said no, but

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you have a part that you'd be perfect for. Why

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don't you come out in audition for this Fright Night movie.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Sarandon for a second. Okay, before

470
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:11,039
Fright Night, I didn't know who this guy was. To me,

471
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:14,279
He's he's always going to be Jerry Dandridge the killer

472
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:15,440
cool vampire.

473
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,519
Speaker 1: To me, he's always going to be Prince humperdink.

474
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,759
Speaker 2: I've got my bride to kill, my wedding to plan,

475
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:21,559
which pump.

476
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 1: Like Jason Patrick, he was not excited about doing this

477
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,960
movie and was going to turn it down. He had

478
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:32,119
been in another kind of horror type movie called The Sentinel.

479
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,240
It was not a good experience for him. And that's

480
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,880
kind of ironic because both The Sentinel and Scream for Help,

481
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,720
which was the Tom Holland movie that he was super

482
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:45,960
disappointed about, were both directed by the same guy. Both

483
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,880
directed by Michael Winner. So Michael Winner not a Winner apparently.

484
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,759
So what happened was he read that he started reading

485
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,880
the script and he couldn't stop, he couldn't put it down,

486
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,240
and he said to his wife at the time, this

487
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,640
is actually an amazing story. I'm just still a little

488
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,359
worried about how it's going to turn out on film.

489
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:10,079
And so within the next couple of days he's arranged

490
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,000
a meeting with Tom Holland, and Tom Holland had so

491
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,039
much love and devotion to this script that he was

492
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,759
able to go through basically shot by shot with Chris

493
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:23,240
Saranon about what was going to happen, and basically played

494
00:25:23,319 --> 00:25:25,920
the whole movie for him in two hours just by

495
00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:29,599
reciting it to him, and Chris said, I'm in let's

496
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:29,799
do it.

497
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 2: That's awesome. I love that. Love that story when a

498
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,519
director is that passionate about a project and can sell

499
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,519
an actor and say, hey, come do this with me.

500
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:39,720
We're going to make this really cool project. It's great.

501
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:40,079
Speaker 1: Now.

502
00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:43,319
Speaker 2: One of the guys I think that does an amazing

503
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,039
job is Steven Jefferies, the guy who plays Evil Ed.

504
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So he had just come from a movie also

505
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,440
with Amanda Bierce in it called Fraternity Vacation, which is

506
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,079
not a good movie. It's just one of those you know, dumb,

507
00:25:58,319 --> 00:26:01,680
it's a screen great yeah, spring break movie. I to

508
00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:06,359
believe it had Tim Robbins. Robbinson who of course then

509
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,839
went on to Nucleus with Susan Strandon from Yeah from

510
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,119
Bull Durham. Interesting thinking. So yeah, so Stephen Jeffries and

511
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,519
Amanda Beers were both in Fraternity Vacation at the time

512
00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:22,960
that they got cast in Fright Night.

513
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 2: Okay, so Amanda Beerce was the last actor cast for

514
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:30,519
Fright Night. Yeah, and I think Stephen Jeffries even said, Hey,

515
00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,039
I just got done working with this girl. They had

516
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,960
played a couple in that movie.

517
00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, hey, she was good.

518
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: She looks like the girl next door and they brought

519
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:40,599
her in and she was perfect.

520
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know.

521
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,039
Speaker 2: She was twenty seven when she did Fright Night, which

522
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,799
I think was really good because over the course of

523
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:53,839
the movie she goes from naive, scared prude team to sexy, active, sexy,

524
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,240
passionate vampirius. You need a woman to pull that off,

525
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:57,559
I think.

526
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,279
Speaker 1: And Stephen Jeffries, you know, he had been he had

527
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,000
thinking he had been thinking that he was going to

528
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,319
get cast in the role of Charlie Brewster and was

529
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,160
actually disappointed when he found out that he was going

530
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,319
to be evil ed. But he is one of the

531
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,119
most memorable parts in the whole movie.

532
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,279
Speaker 2: Oh you're so cool Browster.

533
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: I can't stand it.

534
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: You know another movie he was in at Close Range

535
00:27:19,279 --> 00:27:20,160
with Keever Settlin.

536
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how about that fantastic? So Vincent Price said

537
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,160
he's not going to be Peter Vincent.

538
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 2: So they talked to Vincent Price. He turned him down.

539
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,720
Of course, he was not well health wise, and he

540
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,000
wasn't really interested in doing horror movies at that time.

541
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,039
Roddy McDowell had been in Planet of the Apes in

542
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,720
a movie that I used to watch a lot called

543
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,000
The Black Hole. That they went to him and said, Hey,

544
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,119
we're doing this horror movie. We want to play it

545
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:47,039
as a Vincent Price type of character. And he said

546
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,440
in his mind, he was like, I'm going to play

547
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,319
this as like a bad imitation of Vincent Price. So

548
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,319
they went to him and he was like, yeah, okay,

549
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,599
I can think I can do something with this.

550
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,319
Speaker 1: What he decided was he was not going to be

551
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,880
He was going to be the ham actor who could

552
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,440
never do anything better than these bad horror movies. And

553
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:06,400
they've had that character in that first scene that you

554
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,680
see him in the TV and the he's got the

555
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:12,079
spike and he's about to drive it into the He's

556
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,240
got the spike backwards.

557
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: That is so funny, and a lot of people don't

558
00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:18,960
realize that he's going to go stake the van Barness.

559
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:21,440
The business end of the stake is bording the wrong direction.

560
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,039
Speaker 1: Okay, So did you know that there were actually TV

561
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000
shows called Fright Night?

562
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:32,640
Speaker 2: Really?

563
00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:35,759
Speaker 1: Yes? So back in the seventies there were a couple

564
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:40,359
of different shows. One was broadcasted by an LA station.

565
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:43,599
One was by its sister station in New York City,

566
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,599
but it was called Fright Night and the host originally

567
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,880
when it started back in nineteen seventy they called him

568
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:58,680
Sinister Seymour, but his real name Larry Vincent. Hey got

569
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,160
to be the inspiration, right eight.

570
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,039
Speaker 4: It's like Peter Vincent's cousin, right, yes, yeah, And he

571
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,799
would just he would make fun of the audience for

572
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,000
watching the movies that they were putting on because they

573
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,880
were just really the worst of the worst be horror movies.

574
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,559
Speaker 1: So he would call them four flushers. And it's a

575
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:21,880
hard time. But then Larry Vincent died in nineteen seventy five.

576
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,599
Another guy takes over for a while and eventually the

577
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,960
show's looking like it's going to die out. But then

578
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:33,319
in nineteen eighty one they decide to revive the show

579
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,160
and do you know who the new host is? Tell

580
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,759
me Elvira, Mistress of the Dark, and they renamed it

581
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Movie macab.

582
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: That is awesome, man, I love Elvira.

583
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: What other podcast are you going to get that kind

584
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,160
of information?

585
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: That's awesome, man, that's awesome. Jonathan Stark plays Billy Cole,

586
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,000
who he had been involved in like Second City. He

587
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,279
was an improv type guy, mostly comedic type of stuff.

588
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: When he came in to do his audition, he did

589
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,680
the part where Charlie has brought the cop over to

590
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,759
try to find the dead body or whatever accusing Jerry

591
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,680
of murder. And so he looked at that scene and

592
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,000
said to me, the way to play this is to

593
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:22,640
play it funny. So I'm going to improv it a

594
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200
little bit and I'm going to play it up as funny.

595
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:26,920
And that's what went in the part, and it was

596
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,880
a great They did a great job with that scene.

597
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,160
He and the cop, who was played by Art Evans,

598
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,960
they did a fantastic job of kind of riffing off

599
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,440
each other in that scene to make it funny. And

600
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,079
that's and it went better that way. It went better

601
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,200
to have them making fun of Charlie because that's really

602
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:44,440
kind of what would happen.

603
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:45,519
Speaker 2: Right yep, for sure.

604
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: And then, of course, an extremely well played performance of

605
00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:55,160
Hooker by Heidi Sorenson, who has also been in spies

606
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,519
like Us Sharp Looking Lady.

607
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,799
Speaker 2: She was the Playmate of the Month July nineteen eighty one.

608
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:01,839
Speaker 1: Say it.

609
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: Google Search when she did her part Okay, we have

610
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,400
to talk about this. I don't know if this will

611
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,279
make the final cut, but the director of the movie

612
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720
really wanted her to be stunning and something that would

613
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,880
really catch Charlie's eye.

614
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,039
Speaker 1: Yes, so he wanted tode.

615
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So he went to the costume designer and said,

616
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,839
do you think you could tell her to, you know,

617
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:34,240
rub ice on her nips to try and you know,

618
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,519
get Charlie's attention.

619
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,799
Speaker 1: Yep, And so she did and effective. Effective.

620
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: We're giving it up to Heidi Sormson.

621
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. So a couple of similar events happened in both

622
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,720
of these movies. The breaking of Bones so key for

623
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,640
Sutherland is plays David in The Lost Boys, and he's

624
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,799
they did all of their own motorcycle scenes, right right,

625
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,279
They all drove their own motorcycles. And so at some

626
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,960
point between takes, he's on his motorcycle on the boardwalk

627
00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,799
and there's this kind of hot girl walking around at

628
00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,640
the boardwalk, and so he starts popping Wheelie's to show

629
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,960
off for and ultimately loses control, runs the bike into

630
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
the railroad tracks, which falls over on top of him

631
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,119
and breaks his arm in three places. You will notice

632
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,960
at some point in the movie that he a hand

633
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:44,279
becomes gloved and stays gloved throughout the remainder of the movie. Well,

634
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,759
Jamie Gertz didn't know about this, right, and so they're

635
00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:51,039
doing these motorcycles and because it's his right hand that's broken,

636
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,000
they had to they had to revamp the do you

637
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,519
like that pun nice vamp? They had to revamp the

638
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:01,200
motorcycle and put the throttle on on the left hand side.

639
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,440
And so she gets on the back of the bike

640
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,279
ready to shoot this scene, and she's looking and she's like,

641
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,680
why is it on the other side? And then she

642
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,960
sees his arms. She's like, what happened to your hand?

643
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:13,480
And he's like, I broke my arm in three places

644
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:15,960
and she's like, are you sure you can drive this thing?

645
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,799
And he goes, well, we'll see and takes off.

646
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:24,839
Speaker 2: So yeah, I thought that was an interesting story. So

647
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,039
Kei ver Solon broke his wrist. William Ragsdale injured his

648
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,279
foot when he was running down the staircase during the

649
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,960
last shot, filmed on Christmas Eve nineteen eighty four, just

650
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,960
three weeks into principal photography. So this is the scene

651
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,400
where he had to come down the stairs and meet

652
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,599
Jerry the vampire right right, which that the scene is

653
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,599
kind of goofy anyway, because anytime I call my teenager

654
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,480
to come downstairs for me, he's like whistling a tune

655
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:49,039
and coming down.

656
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,279
Speaker 1: Sure, moom, what's going on?

657
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, that never happens in my house. The director said, Okay,

658
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,960
let's try it again, just do it faster. This is

659
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:59,680
literally the last shot before they break before Christmas break. Yeah,

660
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,039
and he stumbles and falls and breaks his foot when

661
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:02,960
he's coming down the stairs.

662
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. They he's he falls and he's like, I sprained

663
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:10,920
my leg, guys, and so they could grab some iceenter

664
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,400
icing it up. And the guy who's the sound guy

665
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,000
comes over to Tom Holland and says it's not sprained,

666
00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:21,480
it's broken. He's like what, He goes, I heard it.

667
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,599
I heard it break And they went up. Yeah, yeah,

668
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,199
and it's sure enough it was broken. So he had

669
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,039
to postpone his more active scenes until later on in

670
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:31,440
the movie.

671
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool. Let's talk about location for a second. Okay,

672
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,679
both of these have an interesting location, I think, yes. Well,

673
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,119
Fright Night was filmed at the same Hollywood backlot as

674
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,679
the Bourbs. You ever seen the Tom Hanks movie The Burbs.

675
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: Love It Yeah, also has Corey Feldman and of course.

676
00:34:50,559 --> 00:34:53,199
Speaker 2: Yep, same street. And then of course The Lost Boys.

677
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,519
There's that shot in Santa Cruz, California. You have the

678
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,679
Santa Cruz Boardwalk and you have that amusement right there

679
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,119
setting heavy Lost Boys, and they were actually reluctant to

680
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,880
have the movie film there because of the Murder Capital

681
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,559
of the World line from The Lost Boys and that place.

682
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,639
Santa Cruz had had a murderer in the seventies who

683
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,400
was who had gone on a killing spree, and so

684
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,559
they were real reluctant to have the murder Capital of

685
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,840
the World story, But because the movie made the boardwalk

686
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
look really cool and fun, they decided to do it.

687
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: So from nineteen seventy until early nineteen seventy three, Santa

688
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:38,239
Cruz was terrorized by two serial killers and one mass murderer,

689
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,239
turning the once sleepy beach down into the murder Capital

690
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,079
of the world. So there were actually three killers in

691
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:51,159
a three year period, operating heavily at the time, so

692
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,440
it really was the murder capital of the world. That's crazy,

693
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:56,360
isn't that insane? Cruz.

694
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,559
Speaker 2: I think it'd be cool to go out there sometime.

695
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:01,400
I think that from this roller coaster still there and

696
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,800
still operates, and I know that every summer they have

697
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:08,199
a free beach movie series that they show while they're

698
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,880
out there, and Lost Boys is on that list. They

699
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,599
always show the losts.

700
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:18,079
Speaker 1: So in addition to the two Broken Bone stories, we

701
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,679
also have two going out in costume stories. Keifer Sutherland

702
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,519
and Jason Patrick were in the midst of the scene

703
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,199
where they're fighting each other and they're both vamped out

704
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,119
and they broke for lunch and Keifer was like, man,

705
00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,199
I don'tant to eat the studio food again. Let's go

706
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,480
get something to eat. So they went out in like

707
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,280
full makeup, out driving to go get a burger or something,

708
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:45,199
and somebody they pull up to the stoplight and some

709
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,079
lady looks over at them and she she goes, you're disgusting,

710
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,880
and then it's off and it was like, we felt

711
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,039
like we were a success for the day. And the

712
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:02,719
same thing happened to Nathan Stark. Yeah, John John Yeah, yeah.

713
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,440
Jonathan Stark had been in that. He was he had

714
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,239
finished up with the scene where he melts, and so

715
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:11,199
they get done shooting for the day and he's like oh, hey,

716
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,320
can I go shower off before I go home? And

717
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,960
they're like, oh, now, the plumbing's messed up. You can't

718
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,119
shower here. He's like, okay, well, I guess I'm just

719
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,519
going to drive straight home. So he gets in his car,

720
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,119
and of course he's almost out of gas. So he

721
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,519
got to stop at a gas station, and he says

722
00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:27,440
the guy. He goes to a full service station. The

723
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,519
guy walks up to his window and just turns white.

724
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:32,320
He got the gas for him. Didn't say anything, but

725
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,559
like as soon as he pulls off, he's looking in

726
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,400
his rear view mirror and he sees the guy running

727
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,719
for the phone, and it's like, sure, he's calling the cops.

728
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,119
I'm gonna have the cops pull me over on the

729
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:48,320
way to my house. He's talked about this before the

730
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,639
Billy Idol haircut, so you had said, Hey, I've heard this,

731
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,920
I haven't confirmed it. I've got it confirmed. I heard

732
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,239
the story from Keifer Sutherland. Here it is okay, yeah, okay,

733
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,559
so old Schumacher says to Keith for Sutherland, listen, I

734
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:05,079
want these guys to look like rock and rollers, So

735
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,079
let your hair get long, stay long, but I want

736
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,519
it to be white, and so Keifer Sutherland's letting his

737
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,800
hair grow really out. It's already pretty long. Then he

738
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,440
does the white hair and he says, I looked like

739
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,440
Rick Flair the rest. I look ridiculous with his long

740
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,119
white hair, And he said so right at this time,

741
00:38:27,559 --> 00:38:30,159
Billy Idol had just gone out solo. He had just

742
00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,039
left Generation X, gone out solo and was super popular,

743
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:36,320
and so he was like, I'll get the top cut

744
00:38:36,559 --> 00:38:39,519
like Billy Idol's hair, and I'll leave the back long.

745
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,880
So that's how you get That's how you get David's haircut.

746
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,360
He didn't invent the mullet, but he certainly made it

747
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,000
popular for another few years after after that movie came out,

748
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,159
the kind of Bosworth business up front party in the back.

749
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:56,559
Speaker 2: No, I definitely agree. It's it's Billy Idol mixed with

750
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,000
a little bit of Ryan Bosworth.

751
00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: Very cool.

752
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: And then the final fight scene is basically Billy Idol

753
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:03,440
fighting Jim Morrison.

754
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Jason Patrick really does. I have to think

755
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,280
that's why they wanted him so bad. It is because

756
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:10,639
how much you looked like Jim Morrison back then. Because

757
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,800
they've got the huge Jim Morrison poster in the in

758
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,920
the Sunken Hotel, they play the doors, people are strange,

759
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,880
and the intro of the movie there's definitely a Jim

760
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,559
Morrison bent going on there for sure.

761
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,039
Speaker 2: Find Okay, I've got something on production that both of

762
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,239
these have in common that I thought was interesting. Go ahead, Okay,

763
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,760
think back to nineteen eighty six. If you had vision

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,639
problems and you needed contacts. They're not the soft, comfortable,

765
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,800
easy going things that we have today. They're made of glass.

766
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:53,800
They're uncomfortable, they're difficult to put in. So both of

767
00:39:53,880 --> 00:40:00,880
these movies feature full on entire eye glass contact that

768
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,159
were super cool. They are super effective in the movie,

769
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,480
but very painful. Can only shoot for three or four

770
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,440
minutes and then you got to pull them out. Not

771
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:14,039
something I want to do very often. But they're very,

772
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,280
very cool looking. Stephen Jefferies actually had some temporary blindness

773
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,719
and had severe scratches because of these.

774
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: So Jonathan Stark had Originally he was supposed to have

775
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,840
those lenses in when he's coming up the stairs at

776
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,360
him like the old Abbot Costello routine. Yep, but he

777
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:36,400
kept tripping on the stairs. Just take them out, Just

778
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:40,639
take them out. And Amanda Beers was like when they

779
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:42,920
put hers in, She's like, this is unbearable. I didn't

780
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,880
know how bad this was. It's really unbearable. And then

781
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,480
they realized they hadn't sanded it down, so she actually

782
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:49,679
had a rough edge on these glass contact lenses.

783
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,559
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

784
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:55,119
Speaker 1: But probably the most important thing that happened from these

785
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,679
glass contact lenses is with Keifer Sutherland in Lost Boys.

786
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,480
That moment in the movie where he sheds a tear,

787
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,119
uh huh. It is because of the glass contact shooting

788
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,320
and shooting and like it was supposed to be you know,

789
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,199
you're done in seven minutes, and he was like on

790
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,119
minute eight and it was just like I could not

791
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,880
stop it from happening, just could not stop it.

792
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome. I heard him talking about it.

793
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,679
So the scene where they're hanging upside down in the cave,

794
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,760
so he's talking about the filming process, right, you know,

795
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,800
this really long. He said. They were forty feet up

796
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,079
in the air, dangling from the top of the cave,

797
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,360
he said, which that took time to get them up there,

798
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,159
set up ready to go. They had to put those

799
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,000
stupid contacts in their eyes, uh huh. So they had

800
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,199
all this effort. Plug their eyes. Okay, here we go,

801
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,800
ready action, and you got like three or four minutes

802
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,440
to get everything you've got and then okay, that's it.

803
00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:53,519
Get them down, take the things out of their eyes.

804
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:56,599
So just a tremendous amount of effort to get that shot.

805
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,639
But again it works. It's really good.

806
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 1: We're kind of moving into special effects a little bit,

807
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,840
so before we get there, I just want to tell

808
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,039
one quick story. So Keifer Sutherland talks about how much

809
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:09,519
he learned about acting from this movie. You know, obviously

810
00:42:09,599 --> 00:42:12,440
you've got a lot of young, very new actors, but

811
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:17,679
you've got these handful of older, more experienced actors. And

812
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,079
he says he can remember shooting the scene with Diane

813
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,639
West where she's making the call. You remember when they're

814
00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:24,559
in the restaurant and she comes to talk on the

815
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:28,239
phone to Sam because he's freaking out because Michael's, oh,

816
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,920
he's coming to get me. Well, yeah, so she when

817
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:33,920
she picks up the they're shooting the scene. When she

818
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,519
picks up the phone, she takes out her ear ring

819
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,639
and puts the phone up and Joel Schumacher's like cut

820
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,239
and he's like, Diane, what's wrong? And she's like, what

821
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,000
are you talking about? And he goes, well, you took

822
00:42:44,039 --> 00:42:46,239
your earring out? Is there something wrong with your earring?

823
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,079
And she's like, no, I'm about to talk on the phone.

824
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:51,239
That's what a woman does when she's about to talk

825
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,239
on the phone, and she takes her earring out so

826
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,039
that it doesn't smatch her earring. And Keifer Sutherland like

827
00:42:56,159 --> 00:42:59,199
was that was such an impactful moment because you have

828
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,280
to bring the reality of your own world to whatever

829
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,880
character that you're playing, and it was just kind of

830
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,039
neat to see that play out.

831
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,119
Speaker 2: That's cool. I've got an I've got another little tidbit. Interestingly,

832
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,679
the word Michael is said one hundred and eight times

833
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,320
in The Lost Boys. Yeah, and there's you can go

834
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,760
to YouTube and and and have a video of every

835
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,880
time it said dings for you, Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael Michael.

836
00:43:25,559 --> 00:43:29,840
But in Fright Night, the word Charlie has said sixty

837
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:30,440
two times.

838
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: Yep.

839
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: Just kind of interesting. They say the main character's name

840
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,000
a bunch.

841
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: Kind of like Titanic Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack Jack.

842
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: Uh. So, before we move into special effects, I've got

843
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,480
a couple of tidbits from Fright Night, that I will

844
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:47,400
throw at you. So one of the sort of interesting

845
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,360
things that they discover in Jerry's house is this painting

846
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,920
of a woman who looks very similar to Amy. That

847
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,239
was actually Chris Randon's idea. He wanted Jerry Dandridge to

848
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:02,199
have a humanity to him. So the fact that Amy

849
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,519
represented a long lost love of Jerry was an extra

850
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,360
layer to that character that Chris Randon came up with.

851
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,159
And also the fact that he when he first approaches

852
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,559
Charlie in his room and give you something I don't

853
00:44:16,599 --> 00:44:19,800
have gives him a choice choice. He's got him up

854
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,760
against the wall, he's totally overpowered him, and he asks Charlie.

855
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480
He says, forget about me, Charlie, if I kill you,

856
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,199
that would give you something that I don't have a choice.

857
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,039
What he say, forget about me? And Charlie pulls out

858
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:36,760
a crucifix and you see that that scene, the emotion

859
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,400
of that scene, it's like it saddens and disappoints Jerry.

860
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,920
It's sad because he has to kill Charlie. Yeah, and

861
00:44:45,039 --> 00:44:48,519
even though he's a total vampire badass, he still has

862
00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:49,599
a humanity to him.

863
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 1: So the apple bit, you know, he's always walking around.

864
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,960
That was another contribution by Chris Sarandon, and He's like,

865
00:44:58,039 --> 00:45:00,199
I I had just had, you know, I wanted I'm

866
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,199
looking for ways to make him more human or give

867
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,840
him humanity, like you said. And so I started reading

868
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,719
about bats, and I learned that ninety percent of bats

869
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,639
are actually fruit bat type of bats. You know, they

870
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:15,639
eat fruit for survival. And so I just decided that

871
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,039
I've got some fruit bat DNA and my ancestry. And

872
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:21,840
so that's why I'm always walking around eating these apples

873
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,400
with the idea that I'm cleansing my palette after I've

874
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:26,679
devoured a victim.

875
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,199
Speaker 2: Super cool, super subtle, and he even uses the apple

876
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
to kind of draw Charlie out neat idea. I think

877
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,599
here's something that I thought was really cool. Just another

878
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:37,960
little tidbit from behind the scenes at Fright Night. The

879
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,639
cast and crew members of Fright Night recalled that Roddy

880
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,880
McDowell spent tons of time videotaping behind the scenes. He

881
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,800
had his own little camera, little camcorder and videotaping. Nobody

882
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,840
ever saw the tapes, and nobody knows where they are.

883
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:52,639
Speaker 1: We ready to move on to special effects.

884
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 2: Let's try to go for special effects.

885
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so the when they decided to do Fright Night,

886
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,159
they're like, let's give Rick Baker a call, because who

887
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,119
else you're gonna call if you've got a monster movie?

888
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,320
But Rick Baker and Rick Baker said, no, I don't

889
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,960
really want to do that, but you guys should give

890
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:10,960
Richard Edlin to call. And Richard Edlin was kind of

891
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,960
like his main guy had helped him out with Star Wars,

892
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,679
and Richard Edlin and a lot of the guys who

893
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,960
did the Fright Night stuff had just finished with Ghostbusters,

894
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:23,079
which has some pretty cool special effects, right. I mean,

895
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,920
you don't really think of it because it's such a comedy,

896
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:28,119
but Ghostbusters actually had some really pretty cool special effects,

897
00:46:28,639 --> 00:46:31,280
and so it was a much higher budget film. And

898
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,519
so they come over from Ghostbusters to do this movie

899
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:40,280
and they do all kinds of cool stuff, just amazing

900
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,800
things that they do with the bats. When Jerry gets

901
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,159
stabbed with the pencil and he has his transformation, and

902
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:53,239
Jerry cannot handle pain, right, He's he got some humanity,

903
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,719
you know, and his choice giving and his apple eating,

904
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,719
and then he's also got some monster and as I

905
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,320
can't handle pain, and I'm a little bit petty. He

906
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,760
was a little I felt like he's a little bit patty.

907
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,679
I felt like the cooler vampires would have let some

908
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,719
more of that stuff goes. But he was just like, no,

909
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:11,639
I'm just a guy who's kind of a bully about things.

910
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,679
So this is the way it's gonna be. But anyway, he.

911
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: Destroyed Charlie's car for the fun of it because he's

912
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,039
gonna kill him the next night. Anyway, right, what about

913
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
you're gonna kill me, but you're gonna trash my car.

914
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Really? That car, by the way, was Tom Hollands car.

915
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,400
I don't know if you knew that Tom Hollins car.

916
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: Oh cool.

917
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:34,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Steve Johnson was one of the main special

918
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:37,280
effects guys who's just hilarious. There's a great documentary on

919
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,239
fright night and he the guy's funny. Like the first

920
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,519
thing that he says is I love doing this movie.

921
00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:44,480
I mean, for one thing, they had a lot of cocaine.

922
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:49,159
And so he was the guy responsible for the pencil

923
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:51,400
through the hand thing. And he had seen you know,

924
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,960
when you're a special effects guy, when you watch a movie,

925
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:55,760
what are you gonna do but look at the special effects?

926
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,039
Right right, So he had seen EXCaliber, And there's this

927
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,840
scene where where Lancelot is naked and he gets a

928
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:08,880
sword through like his abdomen and you can see you

929
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,719
can see the sword going in and you can see

930
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,559
the sword on the other side of him. Huh, and

931
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:20,360
then the sword. He pulls the sword out, and you know,

932
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,239
a point comes out, and the point isn't behind him anymore,

933
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719
and he's just like, how the heck did he do that?

934
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,159
How did they do that special effect? And so it

935
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,159
was this really kind of tricky thing. He turns just

936
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,119
momentarily as he's pulling the sword, and he's like, they

937
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,440
had to have a string on that point that they

938
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,360
had in the back and a retractable blade for the front,

939
00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:43,960
and so when he pulls it out, the retractable blade

940
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,360
comes out, and as he turns, somebody yanks that point

941
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,960
off with a string, so you never see it. And

942
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,599
so he went through that whole process with pencil in

943
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:55,840
the hand. He's like, right, you're going to see the

944
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,400
pencil going through his hand and then you're going to

945
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,760
see him pull the pencil out of his hand and

946
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,559
it's going to be awesome. And so he rigs the

947
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:07,119
whole thing up. They do the scene. It works perfectly,

948
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,840
and they start watching dailies now, but I think it

949
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,760
was even after dailies, it's looked like they had done

950
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,360
a pretty well one of their final edits. Yeah yeah,

951
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,639
And he's watching with Tom Holland, and Tom Holland does

952
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:23,480
an inter cut scene of Charlie's reaction as he's pulling

953
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:27,400
the pencil out and he's like, you run the Yeah.

954
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,199
He's like, everybody's gonna just think that it happened while

955
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,719
you did the cutaway this with you know, you've ruled it.

956
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:37,559
So Tom Holland's like, okay, okay, yeah, well we will

957
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:40,280
take the reaction shot out for you and your special effect.

958
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 2: That's a great story, and we don't have practical effects

959
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,400
hardly anymore at all. These weren't computers. They didn't have

960
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,119
green screens, and they didn't do all this stuff.

961
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: So they looked real because they were real, right, and.

962
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,639
Speaker 2: We've lost that. I think anytime there's lots of times

963
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:58,920
I watch a movie, I'm like, these stupid computer effects.

964
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,920
They look like John.

965
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: It's it's like watching American Werewolf in Paris after having

966
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,320
seen American Werewolf in.

967
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: London, exactly really exactly.

968
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,559
Speaker 1: The heck is that the actors had to endure hours

969
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:14,239
and hours, like Chris Sarana to get into his makeup,

970
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,239
like the full on monstered Out. Chris Arana took eight

971
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,920
hours and they had to He had to do that

972
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:23,800
for several days, and so he was just their bored

973
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,719
and he said, can you guys teach me how to

974
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,360
do something so that I can do something for you guys?

975
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,159
Maybe speed this up a little bit and I'm not

976
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,519
going insane while I'm just sitting here. And so he

977
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,679
ended up putting the fingers. They showed him how to

978
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,760
put the finger extensions on when he had the long

979
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,119
pointy fingers. So Chris Sarana, you know, learned to do

980
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:45,280
some special effects for the movie. And then they had

981
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,239
they had Stephen Jeffries in the wolf costume. You I

982
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,679
don't know if you call it a costume. I mean

983
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,599
they they basically made him the wolf and that was

984
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:58,039
like eighteen hours, yep, and pretty brutal. He had and

985
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:00,840
he had that fa I mean, the most maybe the

986
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:03,679
most memorable scene in the whole movie to me is

987
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,360
the scene where they where he burns the cross into

988
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,960
his forehead, which a cool scene, fantastic brilliant, brilliant scene

989
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,440
they had to use. He had to go through the

990
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:19,239
wolf process and it was miserable for him as well,

991
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,920
but they did. They had a really great the transforming process.

992
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:27,079
When that wolf is crawling along and he's half wolf

993
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:30,639
and half man. It's I was sitting there going is

994
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:33,039
this a machine? Is this a person? That looks real?

995
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,239
I can't figure out how they're doing it. They did

996
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:36,159
a really great job.

997
00:51:36,039 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: With Yeah, it's heartbreaking. That's that scene is truly heartbreaking

998
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,239
every time I watch the movie where Evil ed Is

999
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,360
has been stabbed and is transforming back to the boy

1000
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:51,000
and he reaches out. I saw an interview with Chris

1001
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:54,360
saran and talking about the finger extensions right, and they

1002
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,880
are super effective. They look really cool. We can talk

1003
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,679
about some of the vampire lore that we see throughout

1004
00:51:59,679 --> 00:52:02,960
these movie, but he talked about how the fingers tensions.

1005
00:52:03,039 --> 00:52:05,400
Although they looked cool, it did make it difficult for

1006
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:06,320
him to go to the bathroom.

1007
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: Okay, that will do it for this episode. Please come

1008
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:21,039
back for our next episode where we will continue the conversation.

1009
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,760
We're going to talk more about the composers and the

1010
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,760
awesome soundtracks involved. Here. Some of the special stories involved you.

1011
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,599
You can't miss it. Come back for the second episode

1012
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,880
of Fright Night Versus the Lost Boys next week.

1013
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 2: Awesome.

1014
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: D it's been fun man. Yeah, see you guys next week.

1015
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:50,599
Speaker 2: Oh you're so cool, Broaster, I can stand it.