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Speaker 1: We gotta talk controversy. We got to talk Olympic sports.
Speaker 4: We gotta talk college football landscape being up ended once
again with head coaches, head coaching searches continuing. Yes, not
all vacancies are filled because there has been more attrition
and in the college football head coaching ranks. But BA
was also losing out on a head coach that has
been at BYU for over a decade in the Olympic
Sports Rum. We'll tell you to that and much more
here on your Utah ESPN Radio network. So without further ado,
why don't we fired up ESPN the fans starting lineup
and I can introduce you to my co host and
the rest of the star set of cast joining us
for this Thursday, December eleventh edition of Cougar Sports.
Speaker 1: Want to welcome in first and foremost, the executive producer,
co host host does social Media, who was down at
practice earlier today boa football practice, interacting with the coaches
and players as well as former players. Do we Gray?
Let's welcome to Ronald the three man Weaver. What's up, Roddy?
Speaker 5: What's up?
Speaker 6: Ben?
Speaker 2: I was at practice, indeed saw Duran Gray. He was
talking to the team. Give him all pumped up because
BYU was taking on Georgia Tech and the Pop.
Speaker 5: Tarts ball Ben. That's most importantly.
Speaker 2: And then you know, got a interview with BYU linebackers
coach Justina.
Speaker 5: We'll play that for you guys. Just wait on it.
Speaker 2: Gotta finish edit me mat, But yeah, Justin did not
hold back be and I asked him about people in
the new negative controversy about a Rod.
Speaker 5: I asked him about him calling Isaiah.
Speaker 2: Glasker last year the best athlete he's ever coached. I'm
asked him about Jack Kelly. He gave an update on
Chay Bryan Strawler and his injury. I did not hold
back Ben and Justin gave me all manner and he
even commented on what's his favorite pop tart?
Speaker 1: Ben, All right, let's go. We'll get to that maybe
tomorrow or later on the show, depending on how quickly
we can get that edited.
Speaker 4: Let's also welcome into the show. We got Brent always
bringing the hammer hammertime show. How are you, buddy, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I hate to do this, but we're gonna have a
lot of fun today, So I think it's okay for
me to do this on the Sharon War situation. Anytime
we have a situation like this, I just feel the
need to remind people it's okay to not be okay,
and it's okay as a man, as a provider of
your home and your family and all that stuff. It
is okay for you to be sad, and it is
okay for you to feel feelings and people as we're
sitting here and people are gonna have a lot of
thoughts on Sharon Moore, and people are gonna have a
lot of things to say. And the number one thing
that I think those of us who aren't in reacting
directly with this situation you need to take away from
it is if you're not okay, it is okay to
tell someone I'm not okay. I don't know how to
deal with this. I don't know what I'm feeling or
how to get through it. It's okay for you to
be sad. It's okay to not be okay. As a man.
You don't have to walk around pretending like you always
have everything figured out, even though we do because we
just think we can always do everything. There are signs
that it's okay to say, you know what I do,
not know what I'm doing, and I need a little
Baxtra help today. I need a hug, I need love,
I need somebody to give me a phone call. Whatever
it is we and if and if you're listening and
you're feeling that way, it's okay to feel that way.
I just think people people need to be told that
more often. People need to be told their love more
often and that it's okay to not be okay. So
as we're in the wake of this whole Charon War
situation and everything that's going on, just know it's okay
to be human.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, hey, we're all we're all navigating winning our way
through this life and the fallen state of men. We
have many follies, we have many shortcomings, and you know,
we we we we talk about the current events here,
we talk about the follies of in the shortcomings of
football games and football players and football coaches, and we
like to keep it to the grid iron, keep it
to the court, obviously, but sometimes the drama it.
Speaker 1: Goes off the field, it goes off the court.
Speaker 4: And whether it's an honor code violation at BYU or
it's a crazy absurd is ridiculously that happened with University
of Michigan, with ro Own Moore and those involved, you
still gotta have some grace, you know, we got to
realize they we're in a falling state and there's forgiveness
for all. But yeah, there's definitely some accountability there. I
will say this in piggybacking off of that. Uh, it's
one of my philosophies in life, and mammals need mentors
and men. We're mammals, we're very baseline. We're just above
the primates, all right, We're not that far off well,
those primas we want to be, but sometimes we succumb
to the natural man, the natural primate within all of us.
And that's why we need mentors. That's why we need
mentors in life. So if you don't have good mentors,
I'm telling you a word of advice I'll give you, guys. Okay,
And look.
Speaker 1: I am not a smart man, Jenny, but I know
what mentorship is. Like. I have great mentors in my life.
Speaker 4: If I don't know what to do, how to do it,
I have certain people I can lean on.
Speaker 1: But you know what I do.
Speaker 4: I go out of my way to try to add
value to those mentors without them really giving me anything back,
and I hope that I can get mentorship in return.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: I go out of my way to add value to
people and surround myself with people that are higher level
than me, better than me in every way, shape or form.
I'm like, how can I add value to them so
that when I need something, when I need mentorship.
Speaker 1: They're there for me. I'm not just a taker.
Speaker 4: I'm not a leech, right, I got to I'm always
asking the question, how am I adding value to this
person's life and the people in my life that surround me.
Speaker 1: So I'm not perfect by anyways.
Speaker 4: You guys know that having to deal with me on
the daily. But I'm always trying to add value to
everybody that I come in contact with.
Speaker 1: And so mammals need mentors, men need mentors. We all
need mentorship.
Speaker 4: Try to add value to the people that you want
to surround yourself with as much as possible so they
can give feedback when you're in utmost need, when you
are in a mental state, in a physical, emotional, psychological
state that needs okay, a little bit of help, a
little bit of mentorship, Okay, my word of advice, my nugget.
Like I said, I'm not a smart man, but I
do think that that is a great way to approach life.
Bread always bringing the Hamer appreciates you starting off that way.
Ap Andrew Peterson, what's up, bro?
Speaker 7: Also in the studio, Well, on the mental health side
of things, I'm living a great life. My life is wonderful,
but the only thing that gets me down mentally is
that I do not get to step inside the Bell
Edward Stadium for another ten months.
Speaker 1: That just every time.
Speaker 7: I Yeah, but the Marriott Center's great different just man, Okay,
So I will say this. My first year was at
b YU was twenty twenty three, and I was like, Wow,
the Married Center is a better environment than ever state
it because we stunk at football and we.
Speaker 1: Were surprisingly good.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Basketball, There's a lot of exciting games that year.
Speaker 7: And then I go into Lavell Edwards Stadium last year
twenty twenty four, and I was like, oh, dang, we
got this.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't know. We have great environments and
back to back eleven and two seasons will do that
for you. It's great, and I'm just I'm I'm very excited.
I actually haven't been in the Marriot Center yet this year.
Speaker 7: If he thinks I've gotten in the way, so Saturday
will be the first time I'm in there. I'll get
in there for the second half. It'll be great, It'll
be wonderful, very excited.
Speaker 1: Have you made an official announcement on the good news?
Speaker 4: I always say I have not. We're gonna We're gonna
hold off on that. Okay, I just want to I
wanted to see if it was appropriate.
Speaker 1: Now everyone knows there's news to be news. There's news news.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay. We won't break that news today. We'll
break other sports news. But we appreciate ap being here.
Also shout out to Vic Cram on the data aggregation
in our newsletter. Appreciate him. I gotta start start of
cash for are you Cougar fans of Cougar Country.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get an A Rod sound Here are our
executive producer, Ronald the three Man. We was down there
getting some soundbites, so we'll get into a Rod. A
Rod is a bit of a controversial figure amongst Cougarnation, right,
I have to have this conversation all the freaking time.
It seems I'm like guys like I just don't think
there's ever there. There's never been an offensive coordinator that
you guys have actually been happy with. You guys got
a high bar. I get it. This year sp plus
puts b YU is the twenty third best most efficient
offense in college football.
Speaker 4: It's pretty good, right, pretty gosh ding good? All things considered,
b YU was a great football team.
Speaker 1: This year. Last year they were also, I would say
they were they were above average to good right.
Speaker 4: They they made a ton of improvements. I'd have to
pull up the SP plus final ranking here, but I
want to say they were in like the forty range,
and I'll double check that here momentarily.
Speaker 1: But boy, fans, they got a high standard, they got
a high bar.
Speaker 4: And some are are supportive of a Rod and others
are not so supportive.
Speaker 1: Arob. He's a bit of a polarizing figure.
Speaker 4: We're gonna hear from a Rod in the nitty gritty
about the team, about the accomplishments of the regular season,
what he's looking forward to in the bowl game, and
more so, stay tuned, don't go any here for a
little A Rod commentary. Also Josh for long or Sorry.
Tad Welch is gonna join us at three zero five
of the des Red News. Tad Welch has been covering
all manner of like latter day Saint news and notes,
but he's also delved into the sporting world. He was
actually at the Kalani Satake press conference Brian Scantigou press
conference in which the the contract extension was ultimately promulgated
to the world. We'll get his thoughts on what he's
been rinning about what he's been reporting about there. At
three h five Josh Furlong know the faux segment as
well as getting to know what this private equity deal.
Speaker 1: Is all about.
Speaker 4: Up on the Hill Josh Forlong utaih Ut insider for
KSL dot Com. Four h five Brandon Aco of Odeon
Men's were talking to college football. He's a BYU insider,
always staying up to date on all the news and notes,
coming out to bring them and get his thoughts on
what's cooking with the Cougars. Blaine Anderson at four thirty
to discuss some let's talk about stats private equity. He's
got some unique insight into this private equity deal that
I want to get into. Being in the finance the
wealth management world. I think we got to lean on
Blaine a little bit with his expertise. And then at
five o five a little Preston and Garrett Handy. It's
a it's a kind of a sports court. What's going
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Real quick before we get to the sound, how would
you describe AP Brendo is.
Speaker 1: Bringing the hammer, Ronald the Three Man Weave.
Speaker 4: Your interactions with other fans, other media members, other personas
that have an opinion on Aaron Roderick, how would you
describe them like?
Speaker 1: How would you describe.
Speaker 4: Those conversations typically as you interact with them postgame, during
the week, et cetera. AP start off with us and
then want to get Ronald the Three Man Weavers.
Speaker 1: Thoughts, I don't mean to be rude or anything.
Speaker 7: I say this with all the love in my heart,
but if anyone has an opinion on Aaron Roderick, it
generally comes with a very short fuse. So if they're
going to be positive about Aaron Roderick, it usually is
positive while things are going well, But as soon as
we punt, we blame a rod instead of the execution
on the field, which I don't think is right.
Speaker 4: Okay, So everything falls on the shoulders. So if Bear
doesn't complete a pass, then it's it's a.
Speaker 1: Bad play call. And then it's a bad play call
if Bear doesn't pick up the first down. If l J,
it's a bad play call. It falls on if if
an offensive Lineman misses a block, it's a bad play call,
and therefore it's a Rod's fault.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say that's that's generally what
I get from from fans, which I don't necessarily think
is correct. I do think Aaron Rodgers does need to
be held accountable for things at times, but every offensive
failure is not an offensive coordinator problem. Sometimes it's the
players just not doing their assignments.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let me give you an example of that. I
think it's really on point. Okay, So remember the play
in which bear Bachmeyer got injured in the Texas Tech game.
Speaker 1: So people are like, ah, why would you run the
quarterback right there? Right? They makes it. It's a horrible
play call.
Speaker 4: Bear Bachmeyer is one of the best running quarterbacks in
college football this year, over five hundred yards rushing and
they a left or was at ten eleven rushing touchdown.
Eleven rushing touchdowns. Uh, it ties the record all time
in a single season from a BWAU quarterback. Take some hill,
Steve Young, I think he broke it. He broke it
was ten before. Now he's at eleven. I think so
they're gonna blame a rod for the play call. And
Bear getting injured. That's an example. It's like, oh, it's
a bad play call, he got injured. Why would you
do that in that situation versus the best defensive front
in college football. What you don't see is the right
guard just getting just tossed like a little like just
a toddler just to the side, and this massive, massive
defensive tackle, really good defensive tack for Texas Tech. Go
in and make the tackle, right, lunge, jump onto the ankle,
wrap up, and injure Bear Bachmeyer. Now, the play call
was fine if the right guard holds that block for
probably a one one thousand and two longer. But the
knee jerk reaction, the emotional reaction is what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the knee jerk reaction is a calling that yeah
and so.
Speaker 4: And then if I say, well, the right guard miss
the tackle or miss missed the block, well a rod
needs to go out and recruit better.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the next sequence.
Speaker 4: Well, if you don't have the guys, then you got
to go recruit better. And then if I retorts like, well,
we're still you know, getting nil, and you know, I mean,
that's that's also a T. J.
Speaker 1: Woods situation as well.
Speaker 4: You know then then we go kind of go back
and forth with that back and forth, and look, there's
valid criticism to be given, no doubt about it at
certain times.
Speaker 1: But you got to give the man who's flowers.
Speaker 4: Last year, twenty twenty four a good season, right, b
YU offensively per sp plus was actually thirty six in
the nation thirty six, so not like elite, but I
would say good thirty six, top thirty six in college
football with the strength of schedule that they had before them,
defense was twenty first, and special teams was fourth before
the last game of the year. Where do they currently
stand the most recent that dropped three days ago last
time I checked. I think that offense they were all
round the same They were all around the same mark.
I think offense was about twenty third. I'll get this
pulled up here momentarily, but the defense was right there too,
around the top twenty five. And I was gonna put
it out there, like to get your thoughts, gugarnation, because
these are the data, this is the data, these are
analytics your feelings. It's kind of like what Ben Shapiir says,
the facts don't care about your feelings, right, but my
eye test but my feelings, right, what I see a
fan will say is like that he's not a good
OC and we go round and round. So offense twenty
third in sp plus defense twenty second. And there was
a significant drop off in the final four games.
Speaker 1: From the special team standpoint. We had punt returns, had.
Speaker 4: We had Shane the kicks on punts, and then we
had Will just not hitting.
Speaker 1: His traditional field goals. Special teams ended up fifty seven. Yeah,
they dropped.
Speaker 4: They were at number five. It's number four throughout most
of the season. So anyway, just to kind of set
the tone here as we get into a rod sound
Aaron Roderick addressing the media earlier today, So was very
able to practice today?
Speaker 8: No, not today. He'll play in the game though, but
he's he didn't practice today.
Speaker 5: How what.
Speaker 1: What's what's he dealing with in terms of the severity
of that.
Speaker 5: It's not severe. He's fine, it's not severe.
Speaker 1: So not severe.
Speaker 4: He was hobbled in that game, though, but he did
come back and he was I would say average.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he looked like maybe he's at seventy percent.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he he didn't look like himself, but he didn't
look like he couldn't play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. I did.
Speaker 7: I did feel like I do feel like a Rod
was a little short there. You could you could see
he was he was kind of tired of the narratives
around him. I don't know, it felt like that was
coming out a little bit there, a little bit like
salty Kilani sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was a little salty. Sure, he's like nothing, nothing,
He's fine. Ronald three man weaver your thoughts on Bear
Bogmeyer's health.
Speaker 5: Oh, he's salty.
Speaker 2: I was standing right there the the the reaction to
the report that asked the question. I was like, so
it's a valid question, but I'm glad I'm not the
one getting the short end of the stick on that question.
A Rod was not like yep, next question, Like he
was not about it been he's upset. But look, I mean,
I'll give you my thoughts on it. Every interaction I
talked to with fans about a Rod not positive, not
ever positive.
Speaker 5: And I go back Ben and I checked tape.
Speaker 2: I said, okay, so take me, you know to the
the false start that Isaiah Jada had in the second quarter.
Speaker 5: Was that a Rod's fault.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, the snap count if they if they
practice that correctly in practice, then he wouldn't fall start
as like, you do understand that the quarterback is the
one that has the snapcount right and the center. What
about Bruce Mitchell snapping the ball above his head and
saying I can't hear well. If they practice loud conditions
better in practice, then Bruce should be able to hear this.
Like that's what I get when I hear from fans,
and it's just they want It's like it's a person
that is narcissistic to a degree. They are always right
knowing everyone else is wrong. A Rod's always wrong and
nothing a Rod does will ever be validated. Justin Enna
told me in the interview to tease it, said, the
reason why we are eleven to two is because of
a Rod in of discussion.
Speaker 5: But fans aren't gonna say that. They're gonna say J. Hill, LJ.
Speaker 2: Martin Harvey. They're gonna find whatever excuse to disvalidate a
Rod because they don't like him. And I just I
always have to push back, and I find myself fighting
fans and giving objective data because they.
Speaker 5: Don't think a Rod is a good coordinator. And look
at the data.
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson, Jaron Hall, Keaden's loves, even Jake Reretzlav who's
in the college football playoffs for Tulane.
Speaker 5: You're telling me that a Rod had nothing to do
with that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, it's it's hard man.
Speaker 4: You look, I'm not saying you can't criticize I'm not
saying you can't critique cougarnation.
Speaker 1: I'm not. And and a Rod's gonna get salty.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be defensive about certain things and certain elements
of his of his team, his staff, his play calling,
et cetera. Like that's all part of it because he's
a competitor.
Speaker 1: And you would be like.
Speaker 4: If I if I sat there for a week over
over your shoulder, evaluating you and your corporate responsibilities, the
time that you're wasting, you know, the lack of excuse,
I compare and contrast you to the competitors in the market.
I'm sure you're gonna come out like I always say,
most of you guys are probably Bowl eligible, Bowl eligible employees.
Most of you guys because you're not gonna lose your job.
But if I pit you against the best teams of
the best team of Salt Lake City in your competitive field,
or I or the best team in Arizona in your.
Speaker 1: Particular field, you may get your your teeth kicked in
a little bit. You may more than you win. Does
that make sense? Right?
Speaker 4: And so I think we all have to kind of
take that into account as we're evaluating performance of these individuals.
Speaker 1: How well resourced are they?
Speaker 4: We're getting up to that, right, We're seeing only recently
an investment in coaches. I would say that are offered
jobs elsewhere? Does that make sense? That are wanted elsewhere?
And some people say, well a Rod is he wanted elsewhere?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: Is he gonna get job offers elsewhere? And if he's not,
then okay, then he's not that good. Does that make sense?
And I understand that. We'll see, We'll see how many
offers he gets. We'll see if people are wanting him.
Speaker 1: We know that Jay Hill was offered certain jobs and
that pay raise probably went up in accordance with those offers.
Now what will the A Rod situation be? Now?
Speaker 4: Jay Hill has had Gary Anderson next to him in
the in the in the in the box for the
last two years. And you've seen with the involvement of
Gary Anderson and Chad k and a lot of these analysts.
The defense has been significantly better in twenty twenty four, five,
twenty twenty three, it wasn't great.
Speaker 1: I don't know last time he thre wasn't great.
Speaker 4: It was okay, maybe some improvement yet, but it wasn't
It wasn't significantly improved by any means. So maybe, and
this is something that Emmahamuli brought up former bo You
running backs, maybe Aarond just needs an analyst akin to
Gary Anderson.
Speaker 1: But who is that guy?
Speaker 7: I do want to say this about Aaron Rodrick as
someone who has been critical.
Speaker 1: I have been critical of Aaron Rodricks at times.
Speaker 7: I will not die away from that, and I think
sometimes that criticism is valid. But for everyone who is
saying fire a rod for two games of this season,
by way, and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give
an excuse for only scoring seven points, because I do
think you need to score more than that, especially if
you're given a second try at it. But name another
offensive coordinator that can get you an eleven win season
with a freshman quarterback. The answer in BYU history is
there is no other offensive coordinator that can do it.
It's never been done before.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 7: He's literally doing things that I've never been done before.
You like Zach, You like the Jaron Halls and the
Zach Wilson's. Guess who developed them? When you're giving the
excuse of Aaron Roderick had this guy and then Aaron
Rodrick had this guy who coached those guys, it was
Aaron Roderick.
Speaker 1: He's the one who's developing them.
Speaker 7: And so when he's consistently turning out great quarterbacks, you
can't say it's the great quarterback making Aaron Roderick great.
It's Aaron Roderick making great quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, No one wants to give credit to Aaron
rodder for the quarterbacks. Nobody does.
Speaker 7: And let me let me just throw this out there.
Let's say you do get your wish and Aaron Rodricks goes.
Guess where Ryder Lyons goes. He does not come to BYU. Yeah,
I do not think. I don't think you can have
Ryder Lyons and not have Aaron Roderick because Ryder Lions
has seen what Aaron Roderick does with qbs. He did
develops great qbs. He's actually done a pretty good job
with receivers and offensive lines too. By the way, just
about every position on the b YU offense has turned
out really great talent under Aaron Rodgers' tenure.
Speaker 1: That's not a coincidence. Yeah, one hundred percent. You're right there.
Speaker 4: Let's get back to the sound Aaron Roderick addressing the
media earlier today.
Speaker 2: So what gives you the confidence that he will play
in the game?
Speaker 8: Yeah, and every all the all the medical people, himself,
everybody's he's he's good. It's not not anything, uh, not
anything anybody's worried about.
Speaker 9: And along those lines in terms of confidence, what what
gives you confidence that this offense is going to be
motivated engaged to go out and get one final.
Speaker 8: Win just because these what kind of guys we have
on this team. You know, these guys like to play,
and we've had we've had a great year and one
last chance to go play together.
Speaker 5: And that's just who these guys are.
Speaker 8: You know, they show up every week and and that
last game was a tough one, but we've showed up
to compete every week and we'll be there and we'll
compete again.
Speaker 9: I haven't had the chance to talk to you since
Kolani's extension, but what did that mean for this program
and just maybe the chaos that came with maybe the uncertainty,
and then to have Klanna get that long term extension.
What did that mean from your vantage point for the program?
Speaker 8: Well, I think it's just recognition of what a great
job Colonie has done here as a head coach. And
I think it, you know, it helps sort of solidify,
you know, recruiting helps you, helps you keep recruiting when
you when you're when you're head coaches. Just signed a
new contract, and I think it just he deserved it,
you know. I mean it's I'm just happy for him
as a person like that. He's he's earned that. And
and then I think it just it helps the whole
program just feel stable and gives us a good, good
foothold to keep keep building and keep getting good players
to come here.
Speaker 6: Were you fairly.
Speaker 2: Content there won't be any opt outs aside from the
two guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't heard of any yet.
Speaker 8: I think everybody, as far as I know, everybody's.
Speaker 5: Excited to play in this game.
Speaker 8: That's That's like today we had every everybody here a
practice dressed and I you know, like Bear didn't didn't
practice today, but he he will, and if we had
a game today, he could have he could have got
it out and played today, you know. But so I
don't know of any.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that game.
Speaker 2: Was there any thought because of Bear's condition of going
to a backup.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 8: I mean, he was a little banged up, but I
think the adrenaline everything he was like, you know, he
kept saying, no, I'm good to go, and so we
never really got to that that that discussion. Now, how
glad are you not to have to face Texas text defense?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good defense. I mean it.
Speaker 8: We we're all disappointed. We didn't play better and we
made you know, the self destructive mistakes in the fourth
quarter were hard to watch, but there are times where
we have to give the other team credit. That's a
very good defense. It's maybe the best defensive coached against
in my career, and it gives us a good you know,
measuring stick of what where we have to get to
to actually win that game next time, you know, and
work our way back up to that opportunity again and
try to win it. And but good defense, very good spurts.
Speaker 4: Any thoughts there ap anything that shoot out to you
from the a Rod Comics.
Speaker 7: Well, I did enjoy him saying that we have a
team that actually wants to play. I'm not throwing any
other program out that are under the bus and definitely
not definitely not the quitting Irish, not the quitting Irish, which,
by the way, I do have a take on that,
because they keep avoiding BYU, should BYU and Notre Dame
ever matchup in a season. Winning that game would almost
be more I think it would be more important than
beating Utah that that year, just just because of how
just because of Notre Dame's whole attitude.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Ronald the three man weaver, what do you
got for me?
Speaker 2: This is going to be extreme Manning, you might have
to call me out and Brett always bringing the hammer
ap you guys always keep me in check. But this
might be a little bit maybe me stepping outside of
the lines of journalism. BYU should never play Notre Dame
again until they come play in provo. Never that sounds
I know that's an extreme hard take, and that's me
going very direct, But this program ducks BYU all consolation, Prizo,
no we deserve It's like no, like you played BYU
in Vegas because you want to avoid playing in actual
tough environments. You don't want to play in provo at
night against the vampire Kougs in the cold or.
Speaker 5: Early, you don't.
Speaker 2: They don't want to do that, Ben, And they've ducked BYU,
They've shafted them, they've opted out of bowl games. So
if if I am Brian Santiago and this is petty,
you're we're not playing you until you come to provo
and playoffs.
Speaker 5: So not doing it like that. Notre Dame is.
Speaker 2: One of the most like like they're starting to like
bug me Bin of their value and their brand because
you shouldn't duck a certain team because you're scared of
beating them, which lets me know you you can't play
them like you aren't when you see an up and
coming brand like BYU, and it's the same thing I said,
what last year and we had this as a polar day.
I think programs like Notre Dame, the n the SEC
and the Big Ten are scared of BYU and Free
are coming to provo because they think if they lose,
it has no value to it, and I just think
that's absurd. But at BYU has to go play them
and go to their home like I'm over that, I'm
over the neutral site, I'm over it.
Speaker 5: Play the game.
Speaker 2: Doua Kalani said it, big twelve media availability, make these
conferences play each other in home and homes in the
hostile environment and win.
Speaker 5: Stop ducking each other.
Speaker 7: Well, I think the Notre Dame problem has a very
simple answer, and it is along the lines of what
Ron is saying there. I think that the power conferences
that come together and say we're not playing Notre Dame
until Notre Dame joins.
Speaker 1: The conference, there's no advantage to a power conference. Well,
there is a movement for.
Speaker 4: That that just dropped, I believe it was yesterday stating
that with the current deal that Notre Dame has with
the College Football Playoff Committee that if they're in the
top twelve, top thirteen, top fourteen, essentially they will get
into the college Football Playoff. Now eighties are realizing that
that is a part of Notre Dame's deal with ESPN,
with the COLLG Football Playoff Committee, yep, and they're like, well,
we're gonna put on a freeze on playing Notre Dame.
Why would we play Notre Dame when they have this
sweetheart deal that behind all of our backs. That's what
they have, and so they have prominence and an easier
path into that playoff.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 7: Let's think about it. The playoff, it's really all about money.
We all know that everyone wants to get into the
playoff to get money. And so the smartest thing for
conferences to do is get rid of someone who's just
going to take a spot from your conference. Notre Dame's
not taking the chief the G six spot, they're taking
a power spot. And so if you want to eliminate that,
stop playing them, don't give them a resume, and make
them join a conference so that so that when they
make the playoff, they contribute to another conference instead of
just keeping all the money for themselves.
Speaker 4: Yes, indeed, yes, indeed, that's Do we have any other
sound byes we want to get to with a rod?
All right, let's let's finish it up and then we'll
call that a checkments.
Speaker 8: Georgia Tech.
Speaker 5: What do they present defensively? What's what's what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 8: They play really hard, they're tough, and they do a
lot of different things. They they have really good pressures.
I mean they disguise their pressures very well and they
come at it from all different angles, and uh, you
know they were ranked as high as sixth or seventh
this year. I think, you know, it's a good, good team,
so and very well coached.
Speaker 5: How deep are you guys into game? Basically?
Speaker 8: Today was our first practice of the game plan. So yeah,
we have we have about half the game plan done
and we today was the.
Speaker 5: First practice of it.
Speaker 8: We're gonna practice again tomorrow and and just keep building.
How how are the guys as far as it looked
like you might play notre game?
Speaker 5: We obviously got the disappointment they're not going to CFP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's kind of the morale or the.
Speaker 5: Via to the guys regarding going to the pop tarts?
Speaker 8: B the vibe I've gotten as everybody's excited to play.
I mean, this team is guys like football. They like
to play, and then they will show up and play anywhere,
you know, put the ball down out there in the
parking lot, We'll come out and play. That's that's been
this this team's sort of mentality the last two years
that I've been with them. And and you know, regardless
of like last year we played Colorado, we were we
were super excited to play and we'll be excited to
play again, this time against Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4: There go, that's ay, Rod, I'll go with one last
thing here. It was the initial comment Bear Blackmer Bear's
gonna play? Will he be one?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: Brady Papigo said b YU was an ankle roll away
from beating Texas Tech. I don't know if that's I
don't necessarily agree with that, but that's what Brady Papingos stated.
And I chatted with a few other people that were
on the sideline that day that felt something akin to that,
that that game plan that we had going in was
gonna work with l J and Bear running the ball,
and our play action game would have been on point
with it. But Bear got injured and we couldn't run
him anymore. So that's how they felt. So if Bear, look,
we all know that Georgia Tech is not as good
as Texas Tech, but that's a top twenty five team
and BYU in their top twenty five matchups.
Speaker 1: Utah, it was a. It was a. It was a
bigger margin of victory, but that's at home bigger margin
of victory because I mean I say that because Basing
control until they decided to kind of call off the
dogs and go fod on fourth down. Well think I
guess they didn't call off the dogs. They they went
four on fourth down.
Speaker 4: They probably should kick the field goal and just you know,
been a little bit more conservative. Whatever the OT win
versus U of A, that was a close one. By
the nick of you know, by the skin of our teeth.
We won that game.
Speaker 1: The hair of your chinny chinchin. Yeah, by the hair
of the chinna chinchin. It was close one, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 4: So don't just walk into this pop Tarts bowl thinking, well,
there could be eighty five percentage gonna play and there
could be some opt out. We have Don McKenzie now,
and who's not necessarily a major contributor, but he's in
the portal. I don't know if there's any other portal
announcements that I've missed up to this point.
Speaker 1: But Mason Waller Le Mason Waller's out. Yep. Yeah, he's
in the portal too. But he hasn't played a whole
lot this year.
Speaker 9: L J.
Speaker 4: Martin hopped onto our show yesterday. He's in discovery mode.
He's getting feedback.
Speaker 1: He's trying to figure out whether or not he's going
to go to the league, or he's going to come
back and play, what his draft status is going to be,
all those things. You want to hope that he plays
right to finish off his career, et cetera. But you
never know, You never know.
Speaker 4: I mean, Tyler Alsier came back for the UAB shree
Vegas Ball remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty sixteen, Jamal.
Speaker 4: Williams, I want to say Jamal played. Jamal played right
against in the point Setia ball. Yep, yeah, so he played.
So the precedence has been set for NFL running backs
to go and play when they do have a draft status,
maybe secondary or third day draft status. So I wouldn't
say you're walking into that Georgia Tech game, you're just
gonna blow them out.
Speaker 7: This is this is probably not gonna be Colorado from
last year. Yeah, it's probably gonna be a closer game.
Speaker 4: Closer game, And you're going to the East Coast, You're
going to Florida, You'll be acclimated, you'll be ready to go,
it'll be good weather, et cetera. Hopefully, But uh, this
is Georgia Tech's backyard.
Speaker 1: It's in Georgia Tech's backyard. Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4: By the way, let me pull up the twenty twenty
five College Football sp Plus rankings for Georgia Tech. They're
a good football team, obviously, twenty second in the country
per the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: Et cetera.
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dot Com. One of the questions I may want to
put out, uh Brett Hammer. I think something we talked
about in the first segment is like under Aaron Rodericks.
Since Aaron Rodrick have arrived when in twenty eighteen as
the quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator. These are the quarterbacks
that have made it that have been coached by him,
and and so you list them off, Zach Wilson, right,
Jaren Hall, Keton Slovias h. Now you have you have
Jake retz Slaugh who's in the in the colle football playoff,
led tou Lane to an eleven and two season. So
it not he didn't just do it at BYU, Right,
Jake went over to tou Lane and made it to
the playoff and won a ton of games doing what
he does. Now you have bear Blockmeyer, Like, when do
you begin for all the A Rod haters? When do
you begin to give a Rod credit for recruiting, developing
and producing good quarterbacks? At what point do you give
him credit for all the haters? Does that make sense?
It's really hard, Like like you gotta give the guy
some flowers. And he's a Broils Award finalist I think,
or a semi finalist.
Speaker 1: Like when do you give for the haters? I'm just
talking to later, when do you to give him some
credit for being a good He's got a good eye
for talent, he's got a good eye to he's got
a good scheme that produces that produces productivity, and so
he's good eye for talent and understands how to produce
great quarterbacks that make it into the NFL.
Speaker 7: Ben I said this earlier in the year on this
show there that there's two jobs that are consistently the
least popular jobs in America. The least popular person. Number
two is gonna be the President of the United States
when something goes wrong. That is going to be a
very unpopular person in your mind. And number number one
is the offensive coordinator at your favorite school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're always.
Speaker 7: Going to be under the I don't think I'm gonna
be honest, I don't think that there's there's something that's gonna,
you know, turn the haters into two a Rod lovers.
Like if even even if you go when you know
you develop fair Bachmeer Rider Lions into into NFL quarterbacks,
they're gonna say, oh, it's the money. But at some
point in time you got to be like, yeah, but
he allocated the money in a good enough way to
be able to go get the good recruits, right Like
Aaron Roderick.
Speaker 1: I've laid this out a few times.
Speaker 7: Aaron Roderick had an offense this year that had two
new starting receivers, a new tight end, a new quarterback,
and I believe it's three new offensive linemen and way
less depth at running back and he improved the offense
from last year.
Speaker 1: That's insane. That never happens.
Speaker 7: Okay, that's the kind of thing that takes your twenty
sixteen offense to your twenty seventeen offense.
Speaker 1: Or you just can't move the ball. Yeah, but Aaron
Aaron Roderick.
Speaker 7: Was presented with that situation, said, Hey, I'm gonna get
you to the Big twelve title game?
Speaker 1: Like, how can you complain?
Speaker 7: I understand you have two games where it did not
look good at all, and believe me, I do have
criticisms about those games, But you can't criticize what got
you there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can't.
Speaker 7: You can't not believe in something that has consistently produced
at a high level for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. At what point do you give him credit?
Like that's all I'm asking. At what point do you say,
you know what, he's a good college football coach? Right?
At what point do you give it to him? Do
you give miss Flowers a little bit?
Speaker 4: Like what has he got to do in order to
get Flowers from you, cougardation, What do you got for me?
Ronald the three man Weaver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, texted it to AP and I want to know
everybody's thoughts. I think he would get his first sign
of credit if Ryder lines brought a Big twelfth title,
you know, back to be back to the pro bo.
Speaker 5: I think if Ryder balled.
Speaker 2: Out in the Big twelve championship game, you went up
against the Texas Tech again or whatever team is playing
well that year, and you brought the Big twelfth title home,
and Ryder looked great and he threw, you know, for
two hundred, ran for another fifty, had two or three
total touchdowns, and then turned the ball over and the
offense was glooming. I think fans will give him credit then,
being because you got the quarterback, you won the trophy,
you bring it home like that.
Speaker 5: That's what it takes, you know, It takes.
Speaker 2: That type of I think performance to be able to
do that, because I think until then, I don't think
people are gonna give him credit. Bear could be the
one to do it too, but I even think then
of well, still the defense, I think it would take
a high level player, not saying Bear isn't that he
had offers, but I think a guy like Ryder if
he did that, I think fans would finally say, yeah, okay,
you get some credit for that.
Speaker 5: That's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: I do have a take though on this.
Speaker 7: I think that Colon I, despite the loss to Texas Tech,
I think that that week with Kolonie Satake's contract extension
is the most significant week I think going forward for BYU.
It's probably more significant in my mind than actually winning
the game. And I think it's I think that contract
in those details are going to be well unlocks Aaron
Rodgers offense going forward, because for the first time that
I can remember, by You admitted they're gonna spend money. Yeah,
like I never every time you hear the rumors, b
what you comes out and says those aren't real numbers.
Speaker 1: This time it came out.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, part of the contract is increased nil
increased facilities. And Kalanie Satake and Brian Santiago stood up
there and said, yeah, that's exactly what it is. We
are going to invest and with that you're gonna get
more consistently the bot mouly Talos and the Pula twins,
those type of recruits. You're gonna get good quarterbacks, great quarterbacks,
and that's gonna unlock Aaron Rodgers' offense because, to be
quite honest, the definition of doing more with less has
That's what Aaron Rodgers has had to do more than
anyone else, I feel like because the what he's had
to deal with on his offenses has not been elite
recruits until now.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think real quick, because you brought them up,
Brian Santiago. I've I put out a quote from Kilani
from the post game. Uh, those that follow me on
x and on Instagram at crital Benjamin and then I
think it's been.
Speaker 1: Critical sports on Instagram. I need to just align those
with my usernames, apologize, just search me.
Speaker 4: First of all, this is what Colli said. I was
trying to get an extension done. Way before that, we
were talking about extensions here. Okay, let's go and play
that sound real quick. Let's get that sound and we'll
just play it for you. And then I'm gonna react
to it because this is in regards to Brian Santiago
and fundraising, because Brian's been receiving some criticism, which, look,
when you're in a position of power. Whether you're a coach,
you're an administrator. When bad things happen the public, the media,
they're gonna point and say, hey, well that wasn't a
very good job, like you signed up for it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just a part of it.
Speaker 4: When I say something ridiculous and stupid, I get a
lot of people telling me how dumb and ridiculous I am.
I'm speaking into a microphone, my face is out there,
like you guys know who I am in the public.
Speaker 1: You get. Look, I'm gonna say some good things. I'm
gonna say some smart things. I'm gonna say some dumb things.
It is what it is. I can't be perfect. I
can't bat a thousand when I opened my mouth. Okay,
so I don't.
Speaker 4: Expect any coach, any player, and he administrated a bat
a thousand. So I'm going to defend Brian a little
bit here and the other individuals that were brokering this
deal with Kilani. But I'm also gonna give some some
you know, some love to Kilani as well.
Speaker 1: Let's tune in.
Speaker 4: Kilani in the post game with Gregor Bell and Hans Olsen,
said this about the contract extension and the potential distraction
that it was leading up into the Texas Tech game.
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, I was trying to get the
extension done way way before, and even last year's extension
wasn't good enough. Like I want to be here for
the long run, and you know, I asked for this
the stuff to be taken care of by the bye week.
It wasn't, and it lingered on and so I didn't
know if Bhyu was getting able to get that done.
And and now that we got it done, it became
it disrupted us for one day. And you know, I
tried to avoid as much as I can as a
head coach, but I don't make all the rules. And
I'm just glad that it got done eventually, you know,
and that I'm going to be here for a long
time and I don't ever have to plan about it leaving.
This is where it's at.
Speaker 1: And and you know, I've been I've been, you know.
Speaker 6: Hans, you've been her humming for a long time, saying
with you, Greg, this is what I've been looking for
from the very beginning. So I'm sad that it came
it became an issue for one day. I'm glad that
our guys were able to focus and get and keep
keep fighting along. But you know, we were trying to
get this done a long time ago.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: Klaude wanted it done by the bye week. Okay, and
that's valid. I mean, he's undefeated going into the Texas
Tech game. It's like, Hey, I just went eleven and
two last year, huge Bowl victory over Colorado. I have
my team undefeated right now heading into one of the
toughest games in BAU football history. Texas Tech maybe the
best team that BAYU has ever played ever. Like, name
another team that's better than Texas Tech.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4: Some people say Miami nineteen ninety, and that very well
could be a fact. But that Miami team was good,
there's no doubt.
Speaker 1: I think they ended up number three in the nation
that year, so they were good, but they went they
didn't win the Natty like Texas Tech is gonna that.
Speaker 4: As what I'm saying, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: You have to maybe put that out as a poll today.
Can we put that out as a poll today? We'll
do this.
Speaker 4: Is Texas Tech the best team that BYU has ever
played in BYU football history.
Speaker 1: I do have to say I think it is. I
really do. I think it's the best team that BYU football,
he's ever played in bya football history, Like I really
believe that.
Speaker 7: And the encouraging thing is I feel like with Koloni
Satake's contract, we're going to be investing in the same
ballpark as Texas Tech, because we were not in the
same ballpark in terms of investment, not even in nil or.
Speaker 4: I don't know about the coaching salaries and things of
that nature. I'm not sure about that, but from now
that's to that point, you're you're at ten million approximately
and they were at twenty eight million.
Speaker 7: And and my only qualm with Texas Tech is that
I said off the air with Ron and Brett and
I believe, I believe we had someone on the headset
that we're interviewing. I said, I said, you know, Texas
Tech is my natty pick, and they kind of laughed
at me a little bit, and then Texas Tech went
out and lost to Arizona State the next day. So
I never said that on air because I felt like
an idiot. And here we are, so I'm gonna say it.
They are my natty pick. They're the natty pick ladies
and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 4: It's a great take and I think they're gonna win
it too, Like I think Georgia could be, you know,
give give them a run for their money. I think
those top four teams are all elite. I think there's
an argument you made for Oregon be an elite too.
They're right there on kind of that great to elite
status in my opinion. So, but that being said, I
understand why Kloonie was trying to get this done. His
agent was trying to get it done, and what was
happening on the back end. Well, who actually makes the
final call on how quickly by you can move in
in getting deals done. That decision on whether by in
Chautaki reach an expedited agreement does not rest only with
the athletics leadership. Obviously, you have your operational leaders. Brian
Santiago as the athletic director. Shane Reese is the president
of BYU. Keith or kink is the vice president of
Advanceman who oversees athletics be what you're broadcasting. University of Communications, Alumni,
External Relations and Philanthropies. Elder Clark Gilbert is the commission
of the Church Educational System. He's probably going to be
involved in some way, shape or form, any sort of
ftees to have to be hired, any sort of investment
within the athletic department, etc.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get on board with it.
Speaker 4: This group decides whether BYU competes in the marketplace with
coaching salaries, staffing support andil infrastructure and program investment. That
being said, the final authority belongs to who the BAU
Board of Trustees. The board includes the First Presidency of
the Church of Juis Christ and Laurday Saints, members of
the Corner of the Twelve Apostles, and other general authorities.
Speaker 1: And Church of officers.
Speaker 4: Their alignment, their vision of the future, along with the
core four figures listed above, determine how quickly deals get
done with the AD. So I don't put it all
on Brian Santiago's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 1: Everyone is right now because of that. I get it
like he's the AD, he's the face.
Speaker 4: But I also think if Shane and Keith and Elder
Gilbert were made aware that Killane was asking for an excess,
I imagine they were made aware at that time and
they didn't go to bat, they didn't step up. They
are we talking about pie chart of accountability here, don't
we That's what we do here at at Koger.
Speaker 1: We do high chart accountability. We've been doing it.
Speaker 4: I launched it back in two thousand and eight, two
thousand and eleven when we when we really launched this show,
we talked pie charted accountability. All those guys deserve a
piece of the pie, and you can't just put it
on Brian Santiago's what I'm getting at. Furthermore, that fundraising
effort that probably went on in those twenty four to
forty eight hours when the Penn State News dropped.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know Crumble coming off the bench, Stay Crumbles,
stay hungry. You know whoever else was involved, all the
different corporate sponsorships that wanted Killania to be the head
of the program, they all stepped up like, look, what
do we need to do to keep Koalania? And what
do we need to do to make sure that he
stays for a long time, as well as how do
we support him and his his staff as well as
the players. There is certain that, look, I hate to
say it, but sometimes we all have to be a
little bit leaverridged the Leaverridge and we got there was
there was something.
Speaker 4: I don't think bou would have moved as fast as
they did unless there was leverage. I hate to say it,
but remarkably done by Coloney's agent because when push came
to shove, we all they had to accelerate the timeline
and they got it done.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
Speaker 4: Remember how quick the k Why deal got done. Oh,
I mean it got done fast. We had to get
it done then, Shane, Keith, Elder, Kilbert, Bryan, they got
it done.
Speaker 1: Tom at the time, Tom I think was still involved,
or he'd be in Brooklyn. They got it done because hey,
we're gonna lose him.
Speaker 4: Okay, now there's a burning in the bosom. There's burning
on my booty, you know what I mean? They both raves,
you know what I mean. It's just like poking you
a little bit. So anyway, I don't know if there's
an ad out there that can raise money as fast
as Brian Santiago. So give him his flowers as well,
because he got he got it done and retained his guy.
Even though, yeah, dude, I think he should have got
done faster. Sure, I think Shane and Keith and Elder,
Gilbert and everybody else involve probably should have been like, hey,
maybe we should get this done a little bit faster,
right right, rather than waiting until the end of the
season to get it done.
Speaker 7: And I want to add to this, every other position
at BYU. BYU fans seem to give the person of
authority a little bit of a grace growing period, Like
when when things were not going well at the beginning
of the year last year with basketball, we're going, oh,
Kevin Young is getting adjusted to the college game. Give
him a little bit of time, guys, this is still
We're not one year into a Brian Santiago's time at BYU.
He's got to have he's got to learn how to
how to be in an athletic director. I understand he's
been part of it, but from my understanding, he hasn't
really been over football. It's been basketball for the most part.
I'm sure he's had things to do with football and things,
but you've got to give him a little bit of
a growing period.
Speaker 4: Gotta get them as flowers, just like you gotta give
a rod. Look, you're not gonna have a perfect AD,
You're not gonna have a perfect GOC. You're not gonna
have a perfect DC You're not gonna have perfect head coach, right,
You're not have perfect players, but you're you're moving to
that direction, is what I'm getting at here.
Speaker 1: So you gotta be grateful. Tis the season to be giving, Tess.
Is the season to be grateful.
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