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See website. 23 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.280 You are now listening to true Murder, The most shocking 24 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.400 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 25 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:22.760 written about them. Gaesy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker dck every 26 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.439 Week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 27 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.760 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with Your 28 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:34.000 Host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 29 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:49.319 Good Evening, Bobby called, He's coming to California. He wants 30 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:54.280 to see me. Drawing on secret police files Marilyn Monroe's 31 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:59.680 private diary and never before published firsthand testimony, this book 32 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:03.079 proved that Robert Kennedy was directly responsible for her death. 33 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.159 It details the legendary star's tumultuous personal involvement with him 34 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:12.280 and his brother, President John Kennedy, and how they sought 35 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.919 to silence her. The new evidence and testimony is provided 36 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:20.159 by Mike Rothmeller, who, as a detective of the Organized 37 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:25.719 Crime Intelligent Division o CID of the LAPD, had direct 38 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:30.400 personal access to hundreds of secret la PD files on 39 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:35.560 exactly what happened at Marilyn Monroe's California home on August fifth, 40 00:02:35.639 --> 00:02:41.280 nineteen sixty two. With his training and investigator's knowledge, Rothmeller 41 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:43.879 used that secret information to get to the heart of 42 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:46.879 the matter to the people who were there the Knight 43 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.400 Maryland died, two of whom played major roles in the 44 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.120 cover up and the wider conspiracy to protect the Kennedys 45 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.439 at all costs. There'll be those with doubts, but to them, 46 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:02.719 the law man who directed an international intelligence operations targeting 47 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:07.919 organized crime, says the printed, forensic and oral evidence are 48 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:12.800 totally convincing. He insists, if I presented my evidence in 49 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.919 any court of law, I'd get a conviction. The book 50 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.800 we're featuring this evening is Bombshell, The Night Bobby Kennedy 51 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.159 killed Marilyn Monroe, with my special guest, historian, author, and 52 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.840 former detective Mike Rothmeller. Welcome back to the program, and 53 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:31.719 thank you so much for this interview. Mike roth Miller. 54 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:34.759 Good evening, it's pleasure to be here. 55 00:03:36.039 --> 00:03:40.199 Thank you so much for this incredible opportunity to speak 56 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:43.840 to you about Bombshell. Let's start, as you do in 57 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:47.560 this book and give us a background on you join 58 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:52.479 the LAPDLA Los Angeles Police Department in nineteen seventy two. 59 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.680 Tell us how you came to be involved with the OCID, 60 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.800 the Organized Crime Intelligence Division. 61 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:05.719 Sure, as you mentioned, I entered the police academy in 62 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:10.840 seventy two, and then I worked patrol for oh maybe 63 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:15.879 about three years. I became a patrol training officer and 64 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:21.319 I moved to a new division and I entered VICE 65 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:26.800 undercover for eighteen months. And during Vice we worked Hollywood, 66 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:30.639 which was very strange vice activity there in other parts 67 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:36.160 of the city. And when I was working Vice, two 68 00:04:36.279 --> 00:04:40.759 guys from OCID, two detectives, came out and started talking 69 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:44.079 to us, and quite frankly, I didn't know what OCID did. 70 00:04:44.120 --> 00:04:47.519 I know what it said in the police manual says 71 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.639 they investigate organized crime, that was it, But what they 72 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.319 really did, I had no idea. And so we were 73 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.920 talking one day and I happened to arrest the guy 74 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.399 who had a just a book making warn out for 75 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:04.160 his arrest. And as it turned out when I started 76 00:05:04.199 --> 00:05:07.680 interrogating him, he was one of the shooters in a 77 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.759 contract killing, and for some reason he decided to lay 78 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:16.000 this out and it was an organized crime killing on 79 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.360 the Pasadena Freeway. What happened there was a woman involved 80 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:24.439 in the car that he was driving, a guy with 81 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:26.639 the shotgun in the backseat, and they pull him next 82 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.680 to this car. He fires out the window, shoots the 83 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.600 guy and heads the shotgun and kills him. And the 84 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.399 little side note on that the guy who actually did 85 00:05:35.480 --> 00:05:39.600 the shooting was the Maytag repair man in that city 86 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.360 where I was at. During the day, he would repair 87 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.639 horses and dryers, and that night he was carrying out 88 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:49.680 contract killing. So anyway, this guy lays it all out, 89 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:53.560 and we had some other people that arrest them for 90 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:58.279 murder and so forth. And I had taken the detective 91 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:02.000 exam and very high in so I knew within a 92 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.319 month or two I was going to be promoted. And 93 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:06.600 they told me. They said, hey, there's an opening in 94 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:11.120 OCID coming up. Why don't you apply? I said, sure, 95 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.000 why not otherwise they assigned you somewhere And I went 96 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.439 down took the interview with the captain and the lieutenants, 97 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.279 and there was roughly one hundred guys applied for it, 98 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:25.680 and I was the youngest by age, and I hadn't 99 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:28.240 been promoted to detective yet more. The rest of them 100 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:30.279 were all detectives that had been for years, and for 101 00:06:30.319 --> 00:06:35.439 some reason the captain selected me. I went into CID 102 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:40.639 and that's when I got my first taste of what 103 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:48.240 really was going on within that division, and I started 104 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.959 going through the files, the file cabinets, and he remember, 105 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.920 there's these huge file cabinets with index cards because we 106 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:58.920 didn't have computers, and there are probably a good forty 107 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:03.519 to fifty thousand cards, and they're different people. They're index cards, 108 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:07.720 which meant all of them had either one or hundreds 109 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:13.000 or thousands of intelligence reports written on them, and each 110 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:17.879 card is linked to other ones, their associates, relatives, or 111 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.199 whatever it may be. So when I was going through, 112 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:24.839 they came across a lot of politicians, and I thought 113 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:28.560 that was rather interesting, including the mayor at the time 114 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.319 of Los Angeles, who was a former LA cop. And 115 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.199 I looked at it, there's nothing criminal. It was just 116 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:37.959 surveillance of him, who he met with and so forth. 117 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:41.000 So I started jumping through the files and I found 118 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.800 came across the Kennedy's John Kennedy primarily I looked at first, 119 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.040 and it was massive, the dossier they had on him, 120 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:54.439 and his was linked to Robert Kennedy, Edward Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, 121 00:07:54.560 --> 00:08:00.160 and also Peter Lawford among some organized crime people. I 122 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:03.759 started pulling those files out of curiosity and I started 123 00:08:03.759 --> 00:08:08.160 reading them, and as I was going through these files, 124 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:13.199 I started realizing that, wait a minute, some of this 125 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.720 stuff regard that I've heard in the past regarding Marilyn 126 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.000 Monroe is not true. I know what the official story was, 127 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.720 but these files were telling me something completely different. And 128 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:27.360 the intelligence files are always accurate because there's no spin 129 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:33.639 placed on him. So I continued reading those files over 130 00:08:33.679 --> 00:08:37.440 a period of months and maybe years on and off, 131 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.240 and I started finding a file on a guy named 132 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:47.320 Fred Otash, and Fred Otash was the person who placed 133 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:52.000 the wire taps on Maryland's house and on Peter Lawford's house. 134 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:57.279 He also planted bugs in their house listening devices, and 135 00:08:57.919 --> 00:08:59.679 I started reading about that, and I saw some of 136 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:03.799 the manscripts of these conversations Peter Lawford was having with 137 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.840 Robert Kennedy and John Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe and so forth. 138 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.559 And I looked up Fred and he was still around. 139 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:14.879 He was in Los Angeles, and so I got in 140 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.519 contact with him, and over a period of time I 141 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.919 developed him as an informant. And the reason I did 142 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.360 that because he was operating. One day he was acting 143 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.679 as a criminal, white collar crime. The next day he wasn't. 144 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.279 And so the people he ran with in the criminal 145 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.679 world were the ones I was interested in. So he 146 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:36.840 was an ideal person, half as an informant. And I 147 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.200 started talking to Fred, and finally one day we got 148 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:44.159 together and I confronted him on this. I started quizzing 149 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:49.159 him about the nineteen sixties yearly sixties, because that's when 150 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.879 he was very active in doing this, and he was 151 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:56.759 very accurate. His memory hadn't failed. He was detailed. But 152 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.799 I also caught him in a couple of direct lies. 153 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.600 When I called him on it, he admitted that he 154 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:07.600 was bsing me, and so then he started telling the truth. 155 00:10:08.279 --> 00:10:12.159 So as this conversation went on and over the months, 156 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:17.320 I said, okay, Fred, who hired you to place these 157 00:10:17.399 --> 00:10:20.960 wiretaps and bugs? Starting in Peter Lawford's I said, what 158 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:25.200 happened there? Who hired you? He said, well, when I 159 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:29.200 planted a bug in his office in his home office. 160 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:31.799 He said that was Peter asked me to do that. 161 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.080 And I said, well why, He says, well, because Peter's 162 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.600 holding meetings in there, in negotiations on whatever. And he 163 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:41.879 said Peter would have the conversation and he would excuse himself, 164 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.720 go into the next room, then listen in to what 165 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:47.879 was being said. I said, okay, that makes sense. A 166 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:52.440 lot of business people have done that. And I said, okay, now, 167 00:10:52.720 --> 00:10:55.240 how about the wiretap on this phone? He says, Well, 168 00:10:56.360 --> 00:11:01.240 he says, when I was there installing the the bugs 169 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:06.879 in his house, Fred being Fred, he said, I installed 170 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.440 a wiretap on his phone for his personal use. Well, 171 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:15.399 Fred was supplying loads of information to the scandal sheets 172 00:11:15.399 --> 00:11:18.759 then in Los Angeles and other places, the inside information 173 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:21.480 on movie stars and that stuff. So he did that 174 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.200 so he could sell that information. And he said as 175 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.879 time went by, not a lot of time, a short 176 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:31.279 period of time, he said he was contacted by the 177 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:36.840 CIA and they asked for the information that he was 178 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:40.720 receiving on the wiretaps and bugs. And he said, also 179 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:44.559 Jimmy Hoffer's agent came to him, same thing. They won. 180 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:47.559 So he says, over period of the months, he was 181 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:52.039 being paid by Jimmy Hoffa, the CIA, the FBI, and 182 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:56.159 LAPD Organized Crime Unit to give him that information that 183 00:11:56.200 --> 00:12:00.679 he was gathering on wiretaps and so forth. So he did. 184 00:12:00.759 --> 00:12:05.039 But he said, finally what happened was the haffa in 185 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:08.639 the CIA. They wanted a lot of stuff on Kennedy 186 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:14.159 on the Kennedy Brothers. So he installed the wire tap 187 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:19.000 in Maryland's house and the bug in her house. And 188 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.759 I asked him, how did you do that? How did 189 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:24.559 you get into her house to do this? And he said, well, 190 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.039 he had a couple of guys from the phone company 191 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:29.759 on his payroll. They just cut off the telephone service 192 00:12:29.759 --> 00:12:32.399 to Maryland's house. Then they went over there and said, 193 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.720 we know you don't have telephone service. We're here to 194 00:12:34.799 --> 00:12:38.679 repair it. And Maryland wasn't there, so the housekeeper said, great, 195 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.200 come on and do it. So when they did that, 196 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:43.600 they installed the wire tap and they installed the bugs 197 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:47.639 in the house. So he was dishing out this information 198 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:52.200 to the various agencies. He said he gave haff A 199 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.759 very little because Haffa was a hothead and he was 200 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:57.200 afraid he would go public and then he would find 201 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.759 himself in a bind. That the main players that he 202 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.039 gave to were the other agencies of the FBIICI. But 203 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:09.120 he said he swore he gave everything to OCID, which 204 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:12.120 I didn't believe. But I asked him why and he said, well, 205 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:15.120 because you guys are the hometown team. He lived in 206 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:17.840 la and he says, I know what you guys can 207 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.200 do to me, and he says, I don't want any 208 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.000 trouble from you. So he says, I gave all my 209 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:28.120 information to OCID. So that's how it started coming about. 210 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.600 And I kept digging more and more through the LAPD files. 211 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:36.159 I started finding more about Fred and his wiretapping and 212 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.080 information the transcripts. And then what was really curious is 213 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.000 that as I dug it deeper in the files, I 214 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:47.679 came across a copy of her diary, which was interesting 215 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.440 because I always thought, as I had heard from everybody else, 216 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:53.240 it was lost, it was gone, nobody knows what happened 217 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:57.519 to it. Well, LAPD Intelligence had a copy of it, 218 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.960 and it was it was title Maror Moro's Diary. And 219 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:05.320 I just start flipping through it. It was a xerox 220 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.159 copy of it, I should say, And I start flipping 221 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.240 through it and yeah, okay, I see this is her. 222 00:14:12.360 --> 00:14:15.799 She's talking about people she knew. But what I did 223 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:19.320 at the time is when I went through it, if 224 00:14:19.360 --> 00:14:23.600 she made some comment about somebody I didn't know, I've 225 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:25.639 never heard the name. She just said, like, I'm going 226 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:29.000 over to Larry's house for dinner. So and so I 227 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:32.039 has nice roses something like that. I didn't pay attention 228 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.600 to because I didn't know what she's talking about. But 229 00:14:34.639 --> 00:14:39.600 when she came to the point of talking about Peter Lawford, 230 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:45.240 the Kennedys, mainly Jack and Robert, I noticed that, and 231 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:47.320 I knew who she was talking about, because she one 232 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.759 time said the President, and she said Jack and John 233 00:14:49.799 --> 00:14:53.799 blah blah blah and Robert, and I took notes of 234 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:56.279 those right at the time. I just started making copies 235 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:01.519 writing down what she's saying. I've had those all these years, 236 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:03.840 and those appear in the book. But she got into 237 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:08.480 talking about her feelings regarding the President and Robert Kennedy. 238 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:13.600 She talks about having sex with the President and how 239 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:17.080 he gave her appeal one time, which was probably a 240 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:21.720 sedative of some type. But she just goes on talking 241 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:25.600 about the type of sex she liked and she wasn't 242 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:31.440 that thrilled about it, but she did it anyway. So 243 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.240 the diary gets into that and talked about that, which 244 00:15:35.279 --> 00:15:37.440 is all in the book. And then she talked about 245 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:41.240 her relationship with Robert Kennedy, and which once again all 246 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:45.440 her comments are in the book, but she it appears 247 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.919 that she actually fell in love with Robert Kennedy, and 248 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.879 she did think, apparently that he was going to leave 249 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:55.399 his wife and they were going to get together, which 250 00:15:55.519 --> 00:16:00.879 never would have happened. But as time went by, when JFK, 251 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:04.159 because I read the intelligence auction, when he was caught 252 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:10.159 on a wiretap by the FEDS, the FBI talking to 253 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:14.720 a few mob people and also talking to Maryland, Hoover 254 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:17.919 went to Robert, or had Robert come to him, I 255 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:21.360 should say, and said, here, listen to these it's your 256 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.679 brother talking to so and so. We know what he's doing, 257 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.200 and you know, I just want to let you know. 258 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:34.720 And so that was Hoover blackmailing JFK with the intelligence 259 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:37.799 indications that Robert told his brother, and that's when he 260 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:44.600 broke off the relationship with Maryland, and she was upset. 261 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:50.360 But also what happens, Robert was kind of the middleman 262 00:16:50.440 --> 00:16:54.600 there to smooth things over, to keep her calm, keep 263 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:57.320 her happy, and he started having an affair with her. 264 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.799 Then as time went by, she started calling DJ where 265 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.200 Robert was the attorney general. She started calling the White 266 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:09.200 House and nobody was returning her calls, and she was 267 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:13.839 getting pissed off. And that is verified by what Fred 268 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.680 Otash knew from his recordings and from what it basically 269 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.920 says in her diary and the other intelligence documents, and 270 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:28.319 so Peter Lawford was then called to go over and 271 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:32.039 try to calm Marylynd down. This was a couple of 272 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:36.640 weeks before her death, and he was trying his best, 273 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:38.960 but she wasn't having any of it, and she said, no, 274 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:41.160 I want them, you know, talk to me. I don't 275 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.599 like being treated like a basically a whore and being 276 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:50.119 tossed around. And so Peter found himself in a difficult position. 277 00:17:50.240 --> 00:17:52.559 He was trying to be middleman and suite of both 278 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:58.039 sides and it wasn't working. So she did, because I 279 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.240 read the transcript she did threatened to go public with 280 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:06.039 the information of her having a interfere with John Kennedy 281 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.839 and Robert Kennedy and Peter. She told Peter that, and 282 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:13.880 Peter immediately got a hold of them and said, you know, hey, 283 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.559 she's on the verge of going public and blowing up, 284 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:23.480 and she wants to talk to Robert and he won't 285 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:27.759 talk to her. And so finally Peter talked him into 286 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:31.400 coming over and seeing her. And in her diary she 287 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:37.519 mentions that that Bobby was coming over and so they 288 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:40.759 he flies in, Robert flies in, Peter picks him up 289 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:45.440 the airport, he flew into private plane and takes him 290 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:50.759 to his house. At his house, he has a telephone 291 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:56.400 call from JFK. Robert's talking to Jeff K from Peter's house. 292 00:18:57.039 --> 00:19:01.440 Then they talked with Marilyn a couple of times. Peter does. 293 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:06.440 They go up there to her house that afternoon. He says, 294 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:12.359 they try to make everything amenable, but she wasn't going 295 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.279 for it, and so they leave and he says, he 296 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.160 speaks to her a couple more times, and your telephone, 297 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.759 Peter does, and she agrees to let them come up 298 00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:27.319 that night. So they go up that night and they're 299 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.319 meeting with her again and I said, well, who is 300 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.400 at the house And he says, there's nobody there, just Marilyn, 301 00:19:33.079 --> 00:19:37.880 Peter and Robert Kennedy. And I said, okay, what happened? 302 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.640 So he goes into his first version. Well, pardon me, 303 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.000 let me back up. I'm got ahead of myself. I 304 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.559 met Peter Lawford at the Playboy Mansion prior to this 305 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.839 meeting with him. I went up there on a weekend 306 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.759 because we had access to the Playboy Mansion working intelligence, 307 00:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.279 and I took my wife and a couple of friends 308 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.240 to have a tour. In this room, I see this 309 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.119 haggard old guy watching the TV set and I thought 310 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:09.160 it was kind of strange, and he looked at me. 311 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.359 Then I realized who it was as Peter Lawfer. He 312 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.920 looked pretty haggard, and he was either a combination drugs 313 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.240 and alcohol, but he was just pretty much out of it. 314 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.519 I talked to him briefly for a second. He just 315 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.440 kind of nodded. I shoved a business card of mine 316 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:28.880 in his shirt pocket. My wife and the friends come over. Oh, hello, 317 00:20:28.960 --> 00:20:31.000 mis loved high. He just kind of nods, and then 318 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:33.960 we go about our business. Well, when I'm at the 319 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:37.079 office the next time, i'd get a call from him, 320 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.079 and he didn't remember meeting me, and he just said, hey, 321 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:44.359 I found this card in my pocket and I don't 322 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.960 know what it's for or why I got it. And 323 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:48.839 I started talking to him about it, said, well, I 324 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.359 mentioned the Floodboard Mansion so forth, and I would like 325 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:55.680 to talk to you about some historic events that happened 326 00:20:55.680 --> 00:21:00.240 to Hollywood during the late fifties and sixties. And he 327 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:04.559 says okay, and then he goes are you with the CIA, 328 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.160 which is a very strange question, and I say no, 329 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:16.400 I work LAPED Intelligence and he goes okay, and he says, oh, 330 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:18.640 what do you want to talk about? And I said, well, 331 00:21:18.720 --> 00:21:21.640 just some old historic stuff, you know, just get together 332 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:23.720 and chat because I didn't want to tell him what 333 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.160 it was over the phone. And then he says again, 334 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.440 he says, are you sure you're not the CIA? And 335 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:34.440 I said, yes, I am not the CIA. So it 336 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:36.480 was rather strange that he was asking me if I 337 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:40.319 was a CIA. But we agreed to meet up in 338 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:45.079 a park the following day, not far from the Playboy mansion. 339 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.839 I go up there. I'm waiting and waiting. About an 340 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:50.799 hour later, he hasn't shown. I'm ready to leave. Then 341 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.240 I finally spotted walking in the park. I go over 342 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:58.240 and talk to him and he doesn't remember me seeing me, 343 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:00.839 and we sat down on the bench and he said 344 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.440 what do you want and I said, well, I just 345 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.880 want to talk to you about the past. So I 346 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.799 started quizzing him, which you always do on people like that, 347 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.400 about their memory. And I started quizzing him about the fifties, 348 00:22:12.480 --> 00:22:15.599 late fifties and sixties Hollywood and what he was doing 349 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:19.000 and so forth with the Kennedys. And he was accurate, 350 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.920 and he wasn't drunk, and he wasn't under influence of 351 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:24.960 drugs or anything at the time, and he was very 352 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.839 accurate and detailed. And so I said, Okay, I just 353 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:30.759 want you to clear up something regarding Marilyn Monroe's death 354 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.759 and that I can just see. He's stiffened up instantly, 355 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:39.640 and he says what And I said, well, I just 356 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:43.640 want to hear your story. So he proceeded to tell 357 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.680 me the story that was scripted for him with LAPD's 358 00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:51.319 assistance LPED Intelligence way back when. And I knew that 359 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.880 was BS. And so I told him, said that I 360 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.559 just left this, Peter, that's not true. That's a lie 361 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:01.920 that was given you by LP And he got a 362 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:07.440 little upset about that, and he stood up and he 363 00:23:07.480 --> 00:23:10.039 was ready to leave, and I stood up, And at 364 00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:12.920 that point I knew I had to move it from 365 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:17.920 a simple interview to a hostile interrogation, which is a 366 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:20.319 difference in the way they're handled and what you do. 367 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.000 So I got up and I started getting on and 368 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:26.160 getting in his face and basically telling us to no, no, 369 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.519 you're going to tell me what happened. We're really happy 370 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:31.240 you're not going to give me that line of so 371 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:33.839 and so that you've been given for years. I said, 372 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:36.160 I want to know what happened. And then I got 373 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:39.880 into it. I said, you know, Bobby's dead, Jack is dead. 374 00:23:40.519 --> 00:23:45.279 Maryland said, everybody's dead, but you who knew anything about it? 375 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:47.440 And I said, I just want you to clear it up. 376 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.480 And I'm not coming after you. Nobody's coming after you. 377 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.039 I said, but but you asked me a lot about 378 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:56.839 the CIA and so forth. And I said, you know, 379 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.640 there are a lot of people who would want to 380 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.640 know you would be telling me, and just meeting with 381 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.519 me is going to put some fear into them about 382 00:24:06.519 --> 00:24:09.519 what you may have said. So I said, this is 383 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:13.160 your chance. Tell me now what happened, or forget it. 384 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.079 You know, you may find yourself in a position you 385 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:19.279 don't want to be. So he just he looked at 386 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:21.559 me and then he just he sat down on the 387 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.119 bench and I sat down next to him again, and 388 00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.039 he just cradled his hands, I mean, his face in 389 00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:32.799 his hands, and he is just quiet, and he's just said, 390 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:35.359 what do you want to know? And I just said, 391 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:37.240 tell me the truth of what happened. So at that 392 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.720 stage he opened up and it just started flowing out. 393 00:24:42.799 --> 00:24:46.720 And it was rather interesting because in the past, when 394 00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.440 I interrogated people that were carrying a huge burden of guilt, 395 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:54.400 when they start relieving it unloading that you can see 396 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.559 it in them, and it's just it's really an interesting 397 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.559 transformations to watch. So he just started unloading unloading, and 398 00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:05.440 I knew he was telling me the truth because I 399 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.920 read all the intelligence funded and so he was just 400 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.799 going through it what happened and what went on in 401 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.319