1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:01:28,439 Speaker 1: At a book. If you'd like to be able to 2 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:30,920 listen to the show without ads and have full access 3 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,560 to bonus content, that's an option. To find out how, 4 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:41,680 please go to Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's 5 00:01:41,719 --> 00:01:45,000 guest is Athena. Athena, Welcome to the show. 6 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,959 Speaker 2: Hi Bick, Thank you for having me and allowing me 7 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:50,040 to tell my story. 8 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. Athena, 9 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:56,719 please give us a brief bio on yourself. 10 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fifty years young. 11 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: I live in beautiful North Wales in the UK. My 12 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,879 mum moved us up from London when I was seven. 13 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,960 I've lived in other places, including Australia, but I always 14 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:21,800 come back to the North Wales because it's so beautiful. 15 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,319 I am a clinical hypnotherapist, mother. 16 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: Animal lover. I live on a. 17 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: Really old rural farm that backs onto some ancient woodland. 18 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:46,919 I've got a small stud I have seven stallions. 19 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,439 Speaker 3: At home and broodmares, and I have a. 20 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:55,759 Speaker 2: Big pack of dogs, include sausage dogs and sighthounds. 21 00:02:56,159 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: Got cats as well, so and chickens. 22 00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: So yeah. I've got a menagerie, so yeah. And I 23 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:07,840 also I'm a sculptor as well and artists. 24 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,199 Speaker 3: So that's about it for me. 25 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: Wow a thin. You know what a great life you live? Yeah, 26 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,719 Ivius live in a beautiful place on a farm and 27 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:22,039 beautiful country like that in the countryside with all those animals. 28 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,840 What's not to like about that? 29 00:03:25,479 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: It is I am very blessed, very very blessed, and 30 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:38,080 that the scenery is absolutely stunning and lovely old woodlands, 31 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:44,520 mountains and houses and properties. I am. I'm blessed. 32 00:03:44,639 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: Thank you that you are. Yeah, it's good you realize 33 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,639 that too. A lot of dog me and eyewitnesses had 34 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:55,039 preanormal experiences before they have their first dog Man encounter. 35 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,319 Does that apply to you? 36 00:03:57,439 --> 00:04:00,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much right the way through. 37 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:05,479 Speaker 2: As far back as I can remember, my mother was 38 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:09,360 quite spiritual, and so it was just kind of like 39 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:10,680 second nature. Really. 40 00:04:11,039 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 3: I saw my first. 41 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: Spirit probably when I was about three and a half four. 42 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,120 I used to see orbs, all sorts of things, and 43 00:04:22,879 --> 00:04:26,560 to me, they were just like real people. So I've 44 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:32,839 had a lot of paranormal experiences pre the dog Man experience. 45 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,120 So yeah, that's very true, very true. 46 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it is. How many episodes of 47 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,079 the show have you listened to you. The reason why 48 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,000 I asked that is, i'd say, about what three months ago, 49 00:04:46,439 --> 00:04:48,759 a lady came on who has a farm in the 50 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:53,360 UK somewhere I think in northern England, where she's in 51 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:56,519 a really similar situation to you. She has an ancient 52 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,959 forest around her farm, and she has all sorts of 53 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,879 pure normal experience, says all the time. And also she 54 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,360 has a resident group of dogmen hanging around her farm. 55 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,480 Have you ever listened to that episode? Does that sound familiar? 56 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 3: No, I haven't. 57 00:05:11,199 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: I'd be fascinated to listen to it. It was a 58 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:18,120 very good friend of mine that put me onto you, actually, 59 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,399 beck and suggested that I get in contact. 60 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: And I'll be honest, I've. 61 00:05:24,319 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: Listened to probably only a couple of episodes before I 62 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:33,879 messaged you, So I didn't want to kind of listen 63 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,800 to anybody else's experience before I because I needed to 64 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,000 get the courage to come and tell you myself from 65 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,519 my own viewpoint. 66 00:05:44,399 --> 00:05:47,399 Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad they directed you, Timmy. Thank goodness 67 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,680 for that me too. The relationship and eyewitness has with 68 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:54,120 her appearance plays a big role on how easy or 69 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,160 difficult it is for that youngster I should say, to 70 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,720 come to terms with their encounter consideringly. Fact that you 71 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,040 had that first encounter with that dogged me at such 72 00:06:03,079 --> 00:06:05,439 a young age. What kind of a relationship did you 73 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:06,800 have with your parents back then? 74 00:06:08,079 --> 00:06:14,759 Speaker 2: And so it was just my mum actually, and I 75 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,839 had a very close relationship with my mother. I was 76 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:23,639 able to tell of things, especially paranormal experiences. 77 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,399 Speaker 3: It was just kind of second nature. 78 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,399 Speaker 2: So I was actually very fortunate, and I think that 79 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,720 helped an awful lot, because I think if I hadn't 80 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,560 been believed or listened to, it would have been a 81 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,759 much more traumatic experience than it already was. 82 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,959 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure it would have been a lot more traumatic. 83 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:44,680 Thank goodness. It sure sounds to me like you hit 84 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,720 the lottery when they were passing out mothers. 85 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was good, she was she was a star. 86 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: Sure sounds like it to me. It didn't take long 87 00:06:55,439 --> 00:06:58,480 speaking with you to realize how well adjusted you are. 88 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,720 What do you attribute the fact that you were able 89 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,639 to overcome multiple traumatic dog mean encounters the way you 90 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,720 have and mature into such a well balanced adult. 91 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,439 Speaker 2: Again, I think my upbringing, I spent a lot of 92 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,720 time outside, and I think I realized very quickly that 93 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,160 if you know, the dog men had wanted to hurt me, 94 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:25,079 you could have very, very easily done that. So I 95 00:07:25,199 --> 00:07:29,519 think I kind of rationalized it. I also did a 96 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,439 psychology degree as well, so I think I think I've 97 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,759 been quite lucky. Really, I've been able to sort of 98 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:40,360 like look at things and look at them rationally, and yeah, 99 00:07:40,399 --> 00:07:42,560 I think that, you know, I've just been very lucky. 100 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,720 But I've been lucky with the people that surround me, 101 00:07:45,399 --> 00:07:51,040 my friends, my family, you know, my children, my partner. 102 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,480 I am very fortunate. 103 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,879 Speaker 1: I'd say you are. You were living in the country 104 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,839 back when you had that first encounter, and you obviously 105 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,879 live in the country now on that farm. How are 106 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:04,639 you able to live in the country still the way 107 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,480 you do after having all these experiences and still having 108 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,319 dog men around. 109 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: Oh, to be honest, for I wouldn't want to live 110 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,879 anywhere else. I have lived in London, in the heart 111 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,079 of London at points in my life. I have lived 112 00:08:20,199 --> 00:08:26,720 in Australia in Perth again in the city, and in 113 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:31,480 all honesty, I felt more vulnerable in a town setting 114 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:35,080 than I do in the countryside. And again I think 115 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,159 I tried to listen to my instincts, and if I 116 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:45,279 feel like I'm unsafe, I will listen to those instincts 117 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:48,440 and it's kept me safe, whether it be in the 118 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,519 city or in the country. So and I do love 119 00:08:52,639 --> 00:08:56,519 being outside. I'm a very outside the type of person. 120 00:08:57,759 --> 00:09:01,279 Speaker 1: I understand everything you said, like living in the country. 121 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 From what I understand, you found out about a frightening 122 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:07,600 dogman encounter that happened about two hundred years ago and 123 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,039 not all that far from London. When where can you 124 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:10,799 tell us about that? 125 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: And I actually wasn't very far from where I had 126 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:19,080 my first dog man experience. 127 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 3: And I did some research and I found out that. 128 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 2: A coach and horses was set upon by what was 129 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,000 described as werewolves. 130 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,159 Speaker 3: And it was actually published in the Times, and it was. 131 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: The early Victorian time, so it was you know, it 132 00:09:39,639 --> 00:09:43,320 made the papers, it made the Times. So that made 133 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,519 me set up and think, okay, it's not just me 134 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,639 that this has happened locally to the event. And it 135 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:56,039 was on it's like a moorland. It was part of 136 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:01,759 the coaching route, so it was very it's very desolate 137 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,759 and very scary up there. I don't like driving there. 138 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,039 I don't like driving there, even in the summer because 139 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,240 it is quite desolate. 140 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound like a really spooky place and 141 00:10:13,159 --> 00:10:15,039 the perfect place to have a dogman encounter. 142 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,639 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to have been them, 143 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:20,559 that's for sure. 144 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 3: Definitely, Oh, no doubt. 145 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,399 Speaker 1: If you've had a dogman encounter that you need help 146 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,240 dealing with, or if you'd like to be a guest 147 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,879 on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and 148 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,240 submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'll 149 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,639 like to be a guest on one of my two 150 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,720 big foot podcasts. Please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. 151 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,000 All right, please tell us about your encounters. Now, give 152 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,879 us a real last detail that comes to mind. 153 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 2: Okay, So my first encounter happened when I was about 154 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,200 sixteen and a half. It was late July, it was summer, 155 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,679 it was a hot summer, and it was nineteen ninety two. 156 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:11,200 I went to bed as normal, and I got to 157 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:18,679 sleep really easily, and I was awoken by this, oh, 158 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:26,240 just a really deep guttal gravel and my bed was 159 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:29,679 pushed up against the wall and I had a big 160 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:33,360 window opposite, and it was quite a moonlight night, so 161 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,720 it was really quite bright, and by the side of 162 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:42,279 my bed, to the bottom of my bed was this 163 00:11:42,799 --> 00:11:51,679 most unbelievable site, unbelievable site. He was huge, I would say, 164 00:11:51,799 --> 00:11:55,759 probably about three and a half to four foot to 165 00:11:55,879 --> 00:12:03,120 the shoulder. Massive For all intents and purposes, it looked 166 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:04,960 like a werewolf. That was the only thing that was 167 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,799 going through my head at the time. He had a 168 00:12:10,919 --> 00:12:16,080 long muzzle which was pretty much bored. Actually, it was 169 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:27,799 quite sparse, very mobile, and his coat was very again sparse, 170 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:33,679 quite coarse. He looked quite for want of a better word, 171 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:37,360 really he looked quite mangy, so that his fur was 172 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:49,080 quite patchy. And he had massive, gosh, massive canines, massive canines, 173 00:12:49,639 --> 00:12:53,399 and his eyes they were luminescent and they were a 174 00:12:53,679 --> 00:13:00,600 yellow gold, yellow gold color. And he just looked very, 175 00:13:00,799 --> 00:13:10,480 very intelligent. And he was sloped down from the from 176 00:13:10,519 --> 00:13:15,559 the shoulders down to the haunches. He had massive haunches 177 00:13:15,639 --> 00:13:21,320 that looked disproportionate and ungainly and angled, and his joints 178 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,480 looked angled on the hinds and they kind of stuck 179 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,879 out and very long and elongated. And the same went 180 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,279 for his front legs as well. They were very long 181 00:13:34,399 --> 00:13:40,679 and it sounds so mad. But his front paws weren't 182 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:46,519 weren't like pause, they were almost like and I guessed 183 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:53,559 the long, long, long fingers, like fingers with massive claws. 184 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 1: On the end. 185 00:13:54,440 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 2: And he was just sat there looking at me and 186 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,000 like a dog would snarl. He was just snarling, showing 187 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:12,440 me his canines. And at that point I was I 188 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:17,840 just lost it. I was screaming, and my mother come 189 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:20,440 running in, burst into the bedroom. I mean it was 190 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,960 about three o'clock in the morning. She came bursting in, 191 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,480 and you know, this is the crazy thing about it. 192 00:14:27,639 --> 00:14:31,559 He just vanished. He just vanished before she got in 193 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,000 the door. And I would have thought it was a 194 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,120 night terror or a nightmare had she not said to me, 195 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:43,480 you know, what is that god awful smell? And I 196 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:47,360 just broke down and told her what it was, and 197 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:54,440 she took me downstairs, got me abrady because. 198 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,159 Speaker 3: I was shaking, and obviously I couldn't go back to sleep. 199 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 2: But Arlie, about a few days so fur four days 200 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:10,120 before that, I would say, my bedroom was completely lit 201 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,399 up with this extraordinarily bright light. It was a bright 202 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,399 white blue light, but it was so bright that it 203 00:15:19,519 --> 00:15:23,639 woke me up, so that happened four days before he 204 00:15:23,799 --> 00:15:27,320 made his first appearance, So that was the first time 205 00:15:28,159 --> 00:15:35,279 that I saw him. Oh okay, I'm just gonna ground 206 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:41,519 myself a little bit. So the next one it actually 207 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:43,960 happened to my brother. It was probably a couple of 208 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:50,240 weeks after that, yeah, two or three weeks maybe after that. 209 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:54,360 And he had gone out to our local town. And 210 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,240 again it's very rural, so you know, it takes about 211 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:01,159 fifteen or twenty minutes to get to the local town. 212 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,080 And when I say town, it's quite a tiny town. 213 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,080 So he'd gone out with some friends and he driven 214 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,639 home late at night. 215 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: And he. 216 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: When he got home, we were all still up downstairs 217 00:16:16,799 --> 00:16:20,960 and he was as white as a sheet and shaking, 218 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,600 and my mom was asking him what's wrong, what's wrong? 219 00:16:25,159 --> 00:16:27,639 Speaker 3: And he had an accident. Are you okay? 220 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: And he couldn't talk for a bit. So again my 221 00:16:30,559 --> 00:16:36,480 mom's usual, you know, go to was some brandy calmed 222 00:16:36,519 --> 00:16:40,159 him down and then he described what had happened to him. 223 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,120 And he was basically driving home. And here in Wales 224 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,919 we have very very narrow lanes. It's only like one 225 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,360 car with and each side. As he's driving along, there's 226 00:16:53,399 --> 00:16:56,879 a bank on each side, and as he was driving along, 227 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:02,039 he saw something coming up very fast, running by the 228 00:17:02,159 --> 00:17:06,599 side of the car, and so he accelerated and it 229 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,039 kept pace with him, and it leapt over his bonnet, 230 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:15,799 used his bonnet as a leap pad basically, so it 231 00:17:16,039 --> 00:17:20,200 bounced on the bonnet, leapt over onto the other bank, 232 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:24,079 kept pace with him for a bit, and then disappeared 233 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,279 off up into the woodland. 234 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: And that's that's what he'd seen. 235 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: But he was so traumatized by it to this day, 236 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,920 but he still won't talk about it. He still won't 237 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,200 talk about it. And he's a big guy. He's like six', 238 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,680 three really in control of. Himself he's been in the, 239 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,799 military you, know very centered. Person but still to this 240 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,720 day he won't talk about it because it disnerved him so. 241 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,559 Much so that, happened and then. 242 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 3: Again. 243 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 2: Like literally probably about a week after, that maybe a 244 00:18:01,279 --> 00:18:07,759 week and a, HALF i was in you, know my 245 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:14,559 mum's small holding, cottage AND i could hear that there 246 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,160 was a big ruckus going, on and My mum's, saying 247 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,960 what's going on in the, fields go and check the. 248 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:24,640 Broodmares something's going, on and with courses because they're prey. 249 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,559 Animals you can always tell when something when they've sighted 250 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,599 something by the way that they. Look so these, broodmares 251 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,960 but obviously they've got, bowles they're in, fole so they're really. 252 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Protective so they were on the top of a hill 253 00:18:41,039 --> 00:18:45,359 looking down into the next. Field they're all, snorting running 254 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,119 backwards and, forwards and SO i walked over to them 255 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,200 to see what they were looking. At and there was 256 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,480 the same dog mahn That i've seen in my. Bedroom 257 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,559 and at that POINT i didn't know that it was 258 00:19:01,599 --> 00:19:03,519 a talk a. MAN i thought it was aware for 259 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:08,160 or something like. That So i'm stood, there transfixed watching him. 260 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,279 Lope that's the best WORD i can use for. Him was, 261 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,599 loping and he was looking from the distance THAT i 262 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,559 was looking at through he was loping through the fields 263 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,279 and the HEIGHT i would put him at was probably 264 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,960 the size of a thirteen hand. Pony he was, massive 265 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:35,880 and Obviously i'm watching, him and he, stopped turned and 266 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:41,119 just stood and looked at me and observed. Me and 267 00:19:41,279 --> 00:19:46,160 it was really very. Disnerving AND i think the crazy 268 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:50,319 thing is WHICH i really can't come to terms, with 269 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:55,119 was the fact that it's almost like he, communicated as 270 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,079 if to Say i'm not going to hurt. You he 271 00:19:59,319 --> 00:20:03,440 just turned and went up into the, bank into the 272 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:09,240 woodland and. Disappeared so that was the last one for 273 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:13,519 quite a few. Years that was the last, sighting And 274 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,759 i'd moved out the, area gone, away lived In, australia 275 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,240 then come back to the, area AND i had horses, 276 00:20:24,319 --> 00:20:31,039 myself AND i had a few broopmares in a field 277 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,839 AND i don't know WHETHER i had anything to do 278 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,720 with him or a dog, man BUT i had a 279 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:40,680 week and a half old fole that just. Disappeared it 280 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,000 just vanished out the field and its mother was very. 281 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,079 Distraught she was running backwards and. Forwards there was some 282 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,279 drag marks on the. Floor we searched the, field couldn't 283 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:53,640 find any remnants of this. FOLE i mean it was 284 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,640 a flat, field SO i don't know whether he was 285 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,079 taken by a person or, what but there was a 286 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,480 lot of destruction in the field where obviously the mayors 287 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:10,319 had been going absolutely. Ballistic so fast forward on quite 288 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,200 a few years from that and now we. Are i've 289 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,720 moved to this lovely old property which is one of 290 00:21:19,759 --> 00:21:24,559 the oldest properties in the, vale and me and my 291 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:29,480 daughter were just sat in our kitchen having a cup of. 292 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:32,720 Tea she'd come over to, visit and she was due 293 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,240 to go, home and we just sat there having a 294 00:21:35,279 --> 00:21:35,519 cup of. 295 00:21:35,559 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 3: Tea if we looked out of the window and these 296 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,720 two huge. 297 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: Dog men wear, wolves, well you, know we were at 298 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,599 that point we still thought that they were were. Wolves 299 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:55,119 really just trotted past the. Window and she looked at 300 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,559 me and, went DID i just see that? Correctly was that? 301 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,039 Real AND i, went, yeah thatt was. Real so obviously 302 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,480 she didn't want to go home. There she didn't want 303 00:22:06,519 --> 00:22:08,359 to go home, there so she ended up staying here 304 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:11,799 and we ended up having a rather large glass of, 305 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,319 gin AND i just told her about all of my earlier. 306 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,640 Experiences i'd never told her about any of the things 307 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:23,880 that had. Happened so she started to get interested in 308 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:28,960 that kind of side of. Things and BECAUSE i do, 309 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:37,400 HYPNOTHERAPY i was actually fast forward another couple of months 310 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,000 AND i was doing a session with her for some, 311 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:47,400 trauma and it ended up that we well ASKED i. 312 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,480 Asked it came out within the course of that conversation 313 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:58,559 why she's in deep. HYPNOSIS i asked what these creatures, 314 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:04,920 were and that deeply subconscious side of her come through 315 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,599 and said basically that they're. Guardians SO i don't know 316 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,240 whether that's so or, what but it kind of fits 317 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:16,160 in a way because the area that we live in 318 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:22,160 as lay, lines there's old ancient burial, Chambers celtic, forts 319 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,160 you name, it it's. 320 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 3: Here and you know, here especially where we live, now. 321 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,279 Speaker 2: There are a lot of, old ancient one of the 322 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:43,839 most oldest woodlands you, know historically looked at backs onto 323 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:51,200 to our, farm and we have seen we call them willow, 324 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:56,200 wisps so like fay, lights fairy, lights and we see 325 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:01,680 those and then we hear how that's the only WORD 326 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:05,400 i can. Use it's. Howling and they surround the, farm 327 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:11,319 and you, know you just have to have a sense 328 00:24:11,519 --> 00:24:16,519 of sometimes it's okay to go outside and sometimes it's. 329 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,039 Not you get a sense for it's not okay to go. 330 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,599 Here and this particular part of the woodland That i'm 331 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,440 talking about IS i CAN'T i can't get any of 332 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:30,200 my horses TO i can't ride them past. There they 333 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,519 won't go past that part of the. Forest they will 334 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:36,640 literally turn around and bolt back. Home i've not been 335 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,160 able to get any of my horses past. IT i 336 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,240 can't walk my dogs past. It they won't go past. 337 00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:46,680 It they will literally turn tails and run. Home they 338 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,599 will just bolt. Home SO i don't try. Anymore and 339 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,599 the one time that, myself a good friend of mine 340 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:02,160 and my, partner we went into this ancient, woodland, ah 341 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:09,839 it was very. Disturbing we heard them surround. Us they 342 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,960 were you could hear them in breaking through the, woodland 343 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,920 and they were, howling and they'd surrounded us, basically AND 344 00:25:21,079 --> 00:25:24,799 i just said out loud and in my head Because 345 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:28,839 i'd gone completely like the goose flesh should completely come 346 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,920 up on my skin at this, time AND i was, 347 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,759 like we need to just. Go SO i just said out, 348 00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:37,759 aloud don't, worry we mean you no. Harm i'm, sorry we've. 349 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:42,519 Trespassed we're leaving. Now we're going. Now so they were so. 350 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:47,039 Quick we would hear one from the left and then 351 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,519 literally within a nanosecond it was on the right hand 352 00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,039 side of. Us so we just got out of, that 353 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:58,720 got out of that woodland very, quickly and we've not 354 00:25:58,839 --> 00:26:02,680 gone in there. Since AND i just abide via. That, 355 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,200 really that's just it's their, territory not. Mine there's obviously 356 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,359 something in there that they're, protecting so that's. Fine we 357 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:15,039 just leave them to. It and the last thing to 358 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,920 happen only. Happened a couple of weeks. Ago my sister 359 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,079 and her husband come over to, visit and she was 360 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,960 upstairs in the spare bedroom and we were all downstairs 361 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,279 in the. Kitchen and this is a very big. House 362 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,359 it's a very big. House we've got attic. Rooms then 363 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,359 you have another, level and my sister was in one 364 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,000 of the guest rooms on that, level so she was up, 365 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:49,680 there we were all. Downstairs her bedroom backed onto the 366 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:55,160 garden and, forest and so she cut. 367 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 3: Down it's what she, said who was? 368 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 2: That who did? 369 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:01,839 Speaker 3: That and we're all, like we've all been, here we've not, 370 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,079 moved we've all been sat. 371 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,799 Speaker 2: Here why what's? Happened and she, Went i've just heard 372 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:15,319 the most awful guttural growl. Ever and it was it 373 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,440 was coming through the window of the back garden and 374 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:23,480 it was, really really. Loud and so her husband was, like, 375 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,319 oh was it one of the sausage dogs or was 376 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720 it was it one of the sight, Hands and she was, like, 377 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:33,720 NO i know the difference between a normal dog. Growl 378 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:37,279 that was not a normal dog. Growl she, SAID i 379 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,640 thought one of you was doing it as a as 380 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,960 a joke to frighten, me and we was, like, no 381 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:47,240 we've all been. Here so my sister is a real 382 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:52,440 disbeliever of all things, paranormal so weirdly, enough even though 383 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,599 we had the same, upbringing but she's never she's never 384 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,160 really seen anything or had that. Experience so and she's very, 385 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,400 scientific so she's now changed her whole concept of what 386 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,839 is real and what. Isn't and the last time she 387 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,079 comes to visit, us which is last, week was she 388 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,920 wouldn't go upstairs. Alone, now so, yeah that's that's what 389 00:28:19,079 --> 00:28:21,440 we're up. To and they're just they just surround the. 390 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,599 Property you can hear them howlan at, night and that's, 391 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,440 fine that's. Fine we just, yeah we just kind of 392 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:31,680 get on with. It really, well that's. 393 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: About all you can. Do and considering how your sister 394 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,759 used to be such a skeptic after she had that 395 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,559 experience upstairs that, night is she interested In dogman now 396 00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:42,920 now that you told her about your. 397 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:49,319 Speaker 2: Experiences she's more of a scientific. Mind SO i think 398 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,240 she is of the belief that it's not. Paranormal it 399 00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:58,200 could possibly be another species or something that's been released 400 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,480 into the you, know into the. Wild let's, say. 401 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: So she doesn't think they're a. Parentormal, YEAH i don't think. 402 00:29:06,279 --> 00:29:07,839 Speaker 3: SO i think she thinks they're. 403 00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 2: More you, know real. 404 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,839 Speaker 1: Life, yeah well a lot of people feel that. Way 405 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,519 how about. You you've seen dargm in so many? Times 406 00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:20,160 what do you think they are ATHENA. 407 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: M i am erring towards the side of of paranormal 408 00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:32,839 supernatural only because the one THAT i saw just disappeared so. 409 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:37,000 Quickly he vanished a. Woman he was there next minute he. 410 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:42,119 Wasn't AND i do think that because of the places 411 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,000 That i've, seen them tend to be very, old ancient 412 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:55,119 sites that have you, know druid, type you, know. INFLUENCES 413 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,400 i think that's what they. Are BUT i do think 414 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,680 that of, see they can manifest in a in a solid. 415 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,039 BODY i think that they can go through, portals AND 416 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:13,680 i know that sounds absolutely, crazy BUT i did have 417 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,720 AN i actually forgot that, one BUT i did have 418 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,240 an experience WHERE i was younger again and was riding 419 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:28,039 over it's a it's an Old roman road AND i 420 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:33,880 could hear and glimpse a dog man in the there's 421 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680 like a it was like a clift and, forest and 422 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,000 it was up there, growl AND I i feel and 423 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,200 watching and there, was. 424 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,319 Speaker 3: The want of a better, word it was like a 425 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:49,880 shimmery kind of. 426 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 2: Space AND i that's what makes me think perhaps they 427 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,440 are coming from different. 428 00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: Auto into our time and then going back. 429 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: THROUGH i don't. KNOW i really don't, know BUT i 430 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,279 think the one THAT i saw or have been, seeing 431 00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,640 and the ones that are, HERE i do think that 432 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:19,160 they are not complete flesh and. BLOOD i think these 433 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:25,240 guys are something supernatural and some form of. Guardian but 434 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,440 that's the. SENSE i could be, wrong but that's the 435 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,440 sense THAT i kind of, get AND i don't feel 436 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,279 threatened as long As i'm respectful of. 437 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: Them considering all these experiences you've, HAD i can't see 438 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,319 how they could be anything but supernatural. Beings SO i 439 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:45,839 understand before ninety, two when you had that First dogmian, 440 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,160 encounter had you already had a lot of paranormal experiences 441 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,559 or did they not start happening until after that First dogmian. 442 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 2: Encounter, No i've had quite a lot of paranormal, experiences 443 00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:01,720 so much so that my mother had to actually speak 444 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,839 to one of her friends to shut that side of 445 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,240 me down or ease it, off because the things THAT 446 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,880 i was seeing were just they were they were too. 447 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 3: MUCH i would IF i would go. 448 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: To, say for, example IF i drive through somewhere where 449 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,720 there'd been a, crash, FITTIM i WOULD i would see. 450 00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,599 Them and or if, somebody you, know if their life 451 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160 had ended badly so and it was just too. 452 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 3: Much SO i did. 453 00:32:31,799 --> 00:32:34,559 Speaker 2: Know i've been played by it as a as a, 454 00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,160 youngster especially you're as. 455 00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,799 Speaker 1: Sensitive then do you see that as being an advantage 456 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:46,240 or a. DISADVANTAGE i don't know. 457 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,039 Speaker 2: REALLY i, MEAN i would like to say it's an 458 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:52,720 advantage because you, know you you have an open mind to, 459 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,720 Things but sometimes it can be a disadvantage because you're 460 00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:01,720 wide open to all kinds of different. Things i've learned 461 00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,079 to kind of shut it, down AS i, SAY i, 462 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,960 mean they shut me, down breathe a dog man, experience 463 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:13,240 so to see things like. That so, YEAH i don't. 464 00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,880 KNOW i think you've kind of got to look at it. 465 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:21,920 Rationally there's you, know falls and against on both. Sides 466 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:22,920 isn't there really. 467 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: Well like anything, Else i'm sure there are good things 468 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,079 and bad things that come along with, it but, yeah 469 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,960 that's just one of those. Things if you are a 470 00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,960 sensitive that does seem to predispose you to having dog 471 00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:34,200 me and. 472 00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:38,759 Speaker 3: Encounters, Yeah i'm beginning to think that that is the. 473 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: Case, yeah it definitely seems to. Be it's a bitter, 474 00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,400 pill but it definitely does seem to be the. Keys 475 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,920 how close was your mother's bedroom tears back when you 476 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,720 had that first dog mean, encounter. 477 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,559 Speaker 2: And so it was across the, hall so you had 478 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160 the stairs the land in my bedroom and her bedroom 479 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,559 was across the. Land then you. 480 00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: Said that first dog man looked. Mengy did it stink 481 00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:07,279 while it was right there at the foot of your 482 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,440 bed or did you not smell that sulfury smell until 483 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,639 it had? Disappeared, no he. 484 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,119 Speaker 2: Did he smellt he. Smelled he smelt like a combination 485 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,280 because of you, know having animals, around growing up on, 486 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,320 farms et. Cetera you, know the smell of. Death and 487 00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:28,239 it was the smell of decay mixed with sulfur mixed 488 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,880 with like a musky kind of a. Smell so, yeah 489 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,239 that he kind of that Was, yeah he was. 490 00:34:34,519 --> 00:34:39,639 Speaker 1: HONKY a lot of people have had pureanormal experiences associate 491 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,599 that sulfury smell with demonic. Entities do you think that 492 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,519 might be what it? Was and that's why you smell. 493 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: That oh, yeah do you. Know i've thought about this 494 00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,079 quite a lot, actually and it could very well be 495 00:34:54,280 --> 00:35:00,119 BECAUSE i have had other, experiences other paranormal experience is 496 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:05,280 where there have been some very nasty, entities demonic, entities 497 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,800 and they do come in with that sulfur. Smell so 498 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,960 that did cross my. Mind, actually you, know whether he 499 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:19,559 was a demonic being or. Not, REALLY i mean these 500 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,199 THINGS i, think you. KNOW i mean that there are 501 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:27,119 legends of these guys being Around wales and THE uk 502 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,079 for centrists for. Generations they've always been, around you, know 503 00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,159 we HAVE i can't remember what The welsh name for them, 504 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,920 is but they've been talked about four centuries In welsh 505 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,079 myth and it's like the black SHOOK i think is 506 00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:43,639 THE uk. 507 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: Equivalent, yeah Black shuck is well known Around. ENGLAND i 508 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,920 know exactly what you're talking. About has one of the 509 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,559 coping mechanisms you've used over the years revolved around the 510 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,719 fact that these guys have been able to harm you 511 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,800 if they would have wanted, to but chose not. 512 00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:05,039 Speaker 2: Too, YEAH i think that is the big take home for, 513 00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:09,039 me is the fact that he could move like that 514 00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:12,480 and just. DISAPPEAR i you, Know i've seen, him AS i, 515 00:36:12,559 --> 00:36:14,840 say in the field WHEN i was. Younger it's so 516 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:18,360 massive that had he had wanted to harm, me all 517 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,400 these guys that are hanging around here, now if they 518 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,400 wanted to harm, me my, animals you, know my loved, 519 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,719 Ones i'm sure they would have done. It AND i 520 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,480 think as. WELL i think BECAUSE i tried to look 521 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,119 at it in a logical way as. WELL i, MEAN 522 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,559 i did do some more, research but it actually kind 523 00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:38,920 of landed on my on my lap actually in my 524 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:46,920 thirties where some information was recovered About REMEMBER i was 525 00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:51,320 telling you about the carriage over the, Moors, well that 526 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:55,400 was the site one of the sites where there was 527 00:36:56,119 --> 00:37:01,519 there was a tribe Apparently celtic Track vibe and they 528 00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:02,920 were known as The wolfhead. 529 00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 3: Tribe, now whether. 530 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 2: That was because they had wolf skins or whether they 531 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,320 were actual dog, MEN i don't know whether we will ever, 532 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,559 know but that was an interesting piece of historic you, 533 00:37:20,639 --> 00:37:24,159 know find really to sort of support. That so if 534 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,840 these things have been around for, CENTURIES i kind of 535 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:32,000 think that there would be a lot, more you, know 536 00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:36,079 we we'd hear a lot more surely about them harming. 537 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,960 People unless they do it on the, QUIET i don't, 538 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,079 Know so, yeah that's my thought process in coping with. 539 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,599 It and, obviously you, Know i'm a mother of a young, 540 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:53,519 child so if there was any real, DANGER i wouldn't 541 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:57,440 allow him to go out and wander around the. Farm quite. 542 00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,320 HAPPILY i do tell him to be careful and to 543 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,039 listen to his, intuition but you, KNOW i don't get 544 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:07,320 the sense that they mean us harm as long as 545 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:07,960 we listen to. 546 00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:13,079 Speaker 1: Them you mentioned The. Celts celts would don beer skins 547 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,960 to try to intimidate people that they would, fight and 548 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,360 of course berserker beer, berserker that's where the term berserker comes. 549 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,000 From SO i wouldn't put it past them to don 550 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,519 wolf pelts as well try to get an edge against 551 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,599 people that they were fighting. AGAINST i bet you that's 552 00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:32,480 got a lot more to do with it than it 553 00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:36,199 being like a sin Of cephalie type, situation whereas actually 554 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,079 creatures with human bodies and wolf. 555 00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:44,599 Speaker 2: Hits, yeah, probably you, know it's just another interesting kind 556 00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:48,280 of bolt on for those like me that are kind 557 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,639 of quite fascinated by like myth and legend and but, 558 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,599 YEAH i think in a real logical, way if you're 559 00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,840 looking at. It, scientifically it probably, was you, know because 560 00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,920 back in the day then they did have in THE, 561 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,199 uk you, Know scotland, Whales. ENGLAND i, mean obviously we don't, 562 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,719 now but you, know back in the day they would. 563 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,960 Have so, yeah you are probably one hundred percent correct. 564 00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,199 Speaker 1: THERE i bet you good. Money that's what was going 565 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,880 on as you were watching that dog me in at 566 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,119 the foot of your bed that. Night was it giving 567 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,239 any indications that it was about to pounce on you 568 00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:26,039 or did it just seem to be frozen in? 569 00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:31,360 Speaker 2: Place, no he was just it was just as though 570 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,679 he was just sat there observing. ME i didn't get 571 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,559 the sense that he was going to jump on. ME 572 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,639 i just got the sense that he was observing me 573 00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:47,039 and just showing me his. Presence when he was snarling at, 574 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:51,639 me that WAS i don't know whether it was threatening 575 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,400 or it was just a display of just how you, 576 00:39:55,480 --> 00:40:00,280 know a powerful he. WAS i really don't, Know BUT 577 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,519 i didn't ever get the sense that he was going 578 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,000 to leap on. Me he was just sat there like 579 00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,960 a very you, know like a big, dog just sat 580 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:10,840 there watching me. Intently and you, KNOW i MEAN i 581 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,800 grew up with Great danes and mastiffs And i've had 582 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440 Great danes and mastiff since, then and he was so 583 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,519 much bigger than any of those, dogs and so much 584 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,320 more powerful as. 585 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,719 Speaker 1: Well you poor. THING i can only imagine the THOUGHTS 586 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,639 i must have been going through your. Head and speaking of, 587 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,119 that your bedroom was obviously well lit by moonlight that 588 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,960 night he had a bright moon. Out did you ever 589 00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,039 see any expressions on its? FACE i give you the, impression, 590 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,440 or at least now present, day give you the impression 591 00:40:43,519 --> 00:40:46,320 that it was getting a kick out of seeing the 592 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,960 fact that it did it frightened you so. 593 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:50,320 Speaker 3: Much, YEAH i think. 594 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 2: So AND i also think he was looking at me 595 00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,760 LIKE i was in, experiment and he was just. Fascinated 596 00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,880 he looked, fascinated you, know like when a dog tilts its. 597 00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,400 Head he had that kind of movement when he was 598 00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:11,119 moving his muzzle and he was left in his, guns 599 00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:14,760 and he was just looking at, me very, intently tilting 600 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:21,280 his head and that dog kind of look of intense. Interest, so, 601 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,679 yeah probably he was enjoying the fact that because it's, 602 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,280 fear isn't, It and obviously there was probably a whole 603 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:29,280 load of fear coming off of, me and he was 604 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,440 probably getting a you, know a sense of something from. 605 00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: That, Oh i'm sure he. Was, unfortunately that's what these guys. 606 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,280 Do what was it doing with his hands when all 607 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:42,880 this was going. 608 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,599 Speaker 2: On they were just flat on the. Floor he didn't 609 00:41:46,679 --> 00:41:49,679 do anything with them at. All they were just in, 610 00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:54,320 position flat on the floor to the front paws and 611 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,920 the hind. 612 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 3: Paws he didn't. Move he was just literally his head 613 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,239 that was. 614 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 1: MOVING i noticed you did say flat on the. FLOOR 615 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,559 i just want to verify by saying, that you mean 616 00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,599 that he wasn't knuckled under like a gorilla for. Example, 617 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,800 no they were flat palms on the. 618 00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,559 Speaker 2: Floor, yeah they were long and that they were almost ridiculously. 619 00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,960 Long that was the weird. Thing they just didn't look. 620 00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:21,000 Right they weren't like dog, paws you. Know these were like, 621 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,880 Mobile that's the only WAY i could. Say they were. 622 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,079 Mobile and the hind they were almost up and they 623 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,559 just looked very bizarre behind pause as, well they just, 624 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,800 yeah looked. 625 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: Strange, yeah strange doesn't do it any. JUSTICE i get. 626 00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:44,039 IT i know it's been years and years of, Ena 627 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,639 but if you had to guess roughly how big would 628 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:47,480 you say his hands? 629 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:56,199 Speaker 2: Were oh my, goodness, Wow oh SO i would say 630 00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:03,159 like a large man's hands times. Two they were, massive massive, 631 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,239 things massive. 632 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 3: Things and then you've got the claws on the end as. 633 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 2: Well they were. 634 00:43:09,159 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: Huge how long were its? 635 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,079 Speaker 3: Claws probably about two three inches. 636 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,519 Speaker 1: Two to three? Inches what more can you tell us 637 00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,280 about those claws to describe? 638 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:29,119 Speaker 2: Them and they were like a like a, semicircle and 639 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,320 you know how you Have they look sharp but almost 640 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,599 like a cross between a cat and a, dog if 641 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,400 that makes, Sense but rounded does? That do you understand 642 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,039 WHAT i mean WHEN i say they were? Rounded they look, 643 00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,440 sharp but like a cross between a cat and a. 644 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:50,599 Dog they looked like they could retract weirdly as. 645 00:43:50,639 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: Well oh, NO i do. Understand and, yeah some eye 646 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,679 witnesses they do describe them almost looking like they've got 647 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,639 this ability to attract their. CLAWS i don't know what 648 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,440 that's all, about but that's not unprecedented whether our witnesses 649 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400 have reported, that, right? 650 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah BECAUSE i, mean you, know they just look 651 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:12,320 like they wouldn't be safe to be out like that 652 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,599 all the, time almost like it would cause them a 653 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,119 hindrance if they were out like that all the. Time 654 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,239 do you know WHAT i? Mean it just didn't. Fit 655 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:26,119 but then nothing about these. Guys is obviously. Logical is 656 00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:29,280 it to me or you, know to anyone that sees? 657 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,119 Speaker 1: Them, oh there's no doubt about. That, yeah that's a 658 00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,960 given there and this also meantics it really. Is but 659 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,920 would you say that talents or clause would be a 660 00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:43,119 more effective way to? 661 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 2: Describe oh so talents really more, so more edging towards 662 00:44:48,599 --> 00:44:54,159 talents than. Claws but, again it's almost like they're a 663 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,000 hybrid between the. Two, they you, know and trying to 664 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,039 kind of go back in my, Memo banks asked WHAT 665 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,960 i WOULD i would, say they're not like they weren't 666 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,079 like dog, claws you, know like dog. Nails they weren't. 667 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,920 White her what color were? They they were? 668 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:16,119 Speaker 1: Black, Black that's WHAT i would. Inspect did you notice 669 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,119 any changes in your mother's behavior after you had that first? 670 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,559 Experience in other, words does she seem to be really 671 00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:24,880 concerned about your safety after? That? 672 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:26,119 Speaker 3: Not. 673 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,719 Speaker 2: REALLY i think the thing Is muma was a very 674 00:45:31,559 --> 00:45:36,760 no Nonsense cockney born in The bowbells kind of, person 675 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,920 and you, know she was very you, know black is 676 00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,119 black and white is. White and Obviously i'd seen so 677 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,480 much growing up with the whole paranormal thing anyway THAT 678 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:53,480 i think she just, thought, oh it's just another one 679 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:58,639 of her you, know her, entities paying a, visit and you, 680 00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,559 know she's basically just a case of, well you, know 681 00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,920 that's the word that it. Is but after the broodmare 682 00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:10,800 is when you, know it became evident that something was, 683 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,639 around and my brother she never you, know that's you 684 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,480 know you mentioned in that, now she was never really 685 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:24,840 worried about. It, bizarrely it was, just you, know you 686 00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:26,920 just get on with. It you just have to get 687 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,719 on with. It be, careful but just get on with. 688 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,239 It because there'd also been a lot of cases around 689 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,800 that time of sheep being mauled as, well so you, 690 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,800 KNOW i think maybe she thought it was a big, 691 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,719 cat not the one that appeared in my, bedroom but 692 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,400 the other ones that maybe jumped on my brother's, bonnet 693 00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,360 AND i think she kind of like maybe logically put 694 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,360 that down to the fact that it was something to 695 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480 do with the wild, animal you, know when they released 696 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:56,440 them all in nineteen seventy six into the, forests and 697 00:46:56,599 --> 00:46:58,599 she might have thought it was a black puma or 698 00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,159 something like that with the other sighting it's not the 699 00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:05,360 one in my, Bedroom BUT i think she probably rationalized It. 700 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,159 Speaker 1: Yeah you might be. Right that might be what she 701 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,760 was thinking her. Mindset did anything ever happen that upon, 702 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,400 reflection makes you think that she just might have had 703 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,639 a dog in an encounter of her. 704 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:22,039 Speaker 2: Own, yeah, maybe you, know, MAYBE i mean she came 705 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,760 from a very for, example her great grandmother was one 706 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,079 of the first sort of spiritualist mediums to kind of 707 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,280 have all of that going on In. London so it 708 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:38,360 wouldn't surprise me if she'd seen something at some point 709 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,440 but just thought she'd better keep quiet about. It and that's. 710 00:47:42,559 --> 00:47:46,320 Speaker 1: Understandable if she did tell you she had, Concerns i'm 711 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,480 sure that it would probably just frighten you that much 712 00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:52,440 more SO i could understand why she wouldn't tell. You M, yeah, 713 00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:57,840 yeah thinking like a. Mother that would make. Sense it 714 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,320 would as your mother was in your bedroom that night 715 00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,880 with you and could clearly detect that strong sulfur. Smell 716 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,679 did she seem to instantly believe you when you told 717 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,000 her what you had seen or did it seem to 718 00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,599 take her time to come around and accept what had. 719 00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 2: Happened, no she believed, Me but AS i, SAY i 720 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,239 was quite lucky because there's been so much happening before 721 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,000 that with other paranormal things that you. Know it was, just, 722 00:48:24,679 --> 00:48:27,760 yeah she just believed, me which is WHY i was quite. 723 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:33,400 Speaker 1: Fortunate really, yeah i'd say you definitely. Were you said 724 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,039 that she didn't seem to be worried about your. Safety 725 00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:39,119 but did she ever do any things to try to console, 726 00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,679 you to make you understand that it was going to 727 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,360 be okay and that you could go to sleep and 728 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:45,559 still be. Fine. 729 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,519 Speaker 2: No, again my mother was one of those people that 730 00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:56,599 were very, tough so you, know she'd we obviously because 731 00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,000 of the spiritual aspect of. It she'd be, like you, 732 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,400 know ground, yourself put white light around, Yourself you'll be, 733 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,159 fine go to, bed it'll be. Fine don't worry about. 734 00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:08,679 It it can't harm. You it's just a. 735 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 3: Manifestation and that was that was. 736 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,079 Speaker 2: It there was No she was a very LIKE i, 737 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,719 said very strong character who just didn't you, know she 738 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,280 wasn't scared of, anything that woman at. All she was 739 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:21,960 an absolute. 740 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: Legend so, yeah, yeah sounds like legend's, right and of 741 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,920 course she had stealing, nerves but that doesn't preclude the chance, 742 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,159 that considering how you were a kid back, then that 743 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,519 she might have tried to help you get over. It 744 00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,320 even though she could handle something like that, easily that 745 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,800 doesn't preclude the chance that she might still be concerned 746 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,360 about your ability to deal with. It, so, yeah that's 747 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,760 WHY i was wondering about. That your encounter was infinitely 748 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,360 more traumatic than your brother's. Encounter why do you think 749 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,880 it is that he's still so strongly affected by his 750 00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,280 encounter while you're dealing with all these encounters that you've 751 00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,599 had so. 752 00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 2: WELL i think because he just locked it away and 753 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,159 just didn't want to think about, it talk about, it 754 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:10,920 look at. 755 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,039 Speaker 3: It and, again he's a lot like my. 756 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:22,639 Speaker 2: Sister he is very, scientific, logical and wasn't really you, 757 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,960 know hadn't seen a lot of things as a. Kid 758 00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,559 so for, HIM i just think his brain just, WENT 759 00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,400 i can't that's not IF i can't deal with, IT 760 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,239 i can't deal with, it And i'm not going to 761 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:34,559 look at. 762 00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:37,440 Speaker 1: IT i think you hit the knail on the. Head 763 00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,119 it's really no different than if you have a bad 764 00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:44,000 wound and you put a band ead on. It can 765 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,960 you see the? Wound, No but you're not dealing with that. 766 00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:50,199 Wound you're not treating that. Wound it's the same thing 767 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,000 you dealt with your experiences but he just tried to 768 00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:56,920 brush his off and never did try to deal with. 769 00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:00,639 Them you're doing so much better now because you did 770 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,920 confront the issue and you tried to get. Better he 771 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,840 never dealt with. It SO i could be, wrong But 772 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,559 i'm pretty sure that's what's going. On just like you, 773 00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:14,119 postulated if you never saw another Dog man as long 774 00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,920 as you Live, athena would you be happy about that 775 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,079 or to feel like you gained something in some way 776 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,239 from seeing them just once in the Blue. 777 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:25,800 Speaker 3: MOON i actually. 778 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,280 Speaker 2: Would be quite sad now BECAUSE i find it quite 779 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:35,360 fascinating because in some strange, way you feel like you're 780 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:41,599 quite honored to see these fabled things because they're not 781 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,679 in everybody's, remit not everybody sees. Them SO i would 782 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,159 be sad IF i didn't see another. One but Again 783 00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:52,360 i'm not silly enough to think, that you, KNOW i 784 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,559 can just go out there and everything's going to be hunky, 785 00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,760 Dory so you, know, again it comes down to AND 786 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,840 i will carry on respect in. Them so, YEAH i 787 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,199 would be sad IF i didn't see them a. 788 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,199 Speaker 1: GAME i think to a lot of people, listening that 789 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,960 might seem like a strange question to have asked you 790 00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,400 but there are a lot of eyewitnesses in your situation 791 00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:17,079 where dogmen are around their, properties where they too would 792 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,840 feel like something was missing if they never saw any 793 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,079 other dog men down the. Road so that's WHY i asked, 794 00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:27,119 that having children the way you, do how much angst 795 00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:29,440 does it cause you knowing that they could have their 796 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:30,800 own encounters at any given? 797 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:37,599 Speaker 2: Time, YEAH i. THINK i, mean my children are all 798 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,559 pretty sensitive on the whole paranormal front, anyway. 799 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,320 Speaker 3: BUT i wouldn't want them to be. 800 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:50,760 Speaker 2: Terrified my oldest daughter obviously when she saw those two 801 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,960 run past the window with, me OBVIOUSLY i was with, 802 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:57,639 her but you, know she wasn't a small. Child but you, 803 00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,679 KNOW i think, AGAIN i Hope i've taught them to 804 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,119 be respectful of, everything AND i think as long as 805 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:09,719 you handle things with respect and you listen to your, 806 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,360 INSTINCTS i would like to think that they would listen 807 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,920 to that and keep themselves. 808 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: Safe, well they've got an excellent, mother so they've got 809 00:53:19,039 --> 00:53:21,679 that in their. Court that's one heck of an advantage 810 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,599 if they ever do have any, encounters they're in really good, 811 00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:28,480 hands so that definitely doesn't. Hurt thank, You. 812 00:53:28,639 --> 00:53:29,079 Speaker 2: Vick that's. 813 00:53:29,159 --> 00:53:32,239 Speaker 1: Lovely, oh you're, welcome But i'm just telling them like it. 814 00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,519 Is it freaked her out that. Night but how well 815 00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:37,920 has your daughter been dealing with seeing those two dogmen 816 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,920 run past your? Window do you think she'd benefit from 817 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,480 speaking with me or is she? 818 00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,400 Speaker 2: Good, yeah she might. 819 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,599 Speaker 3: DO i, mean she's Incredibly she's got a lot of. 820 00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:55,639 Speaker 2: Paranormal things going on in she's a channel, actually which 821 00:53:55,719 --> 00:54:00,719 is not brilliant for, her but she's quite fad by. 822 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,360 Them BUT i think she is a bit. Terrified she 823 00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:07,639 kind of shies away from the whole you, know you, 824 00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,719 know beasts for better, word or. Monsters so she's a 825 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,000 little bit cautious about that whole side of, things because 826 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,719 it's enough when you kind of come into your own 827 00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,159 and you start seeing spirits and ghosts and stuff like, 828 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,280 that which you, know which is what's happening with. Her in, 829 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,440 fact my youngest son is twelve and my oldest daughter she's. Thirty, 830 00:54:29,559 --> 00:54:32,119 words there's quite a big auge. Gap but they dream 831 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:35,400 the same dreams on the same night as each. Other 832 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,880 if it's a particularly like something's going to, happen and 833 00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,840 they will talk to each, other but they'll tell me their, 834 00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:46,960 dreams and they are exactly the. Same so they are 835 00:54:47,039 --> 00:54:52,880 both very, spiritual which can either be a hindrance or a. 836 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,039 Speaker 3: Blessing SO i think she probably. 837 00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,639 Speaker 2: Would you, know it would be good to see if 838 00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:01,599 she would be happy To, again it's, crazy isn't. It 839 00:55:01,679 --> 00:55:04,000 it is something that you just, Think, wow people kind 840 00:55:04,039 --> 00:55:07,440 of are accepting of like spirits and, entities but not 841 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:11,079 so much this whole. Thing SO i will speak to 842 00:55:11,199 --> 00:55:13,119 her and, See. 843 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,599 Speaker 1: Well thanks for doing that. Now of, course having said, 844 00:55:16,639 --> 00:55:19,039 that there's no pressure for her to speak with. Me 845 00:55:19,199 --> 00:55:21,360 there's no pressure for your brother to speak with. Me 846 00:55:21,519 --> 00:55:23,840 but if you're the, one if both would like to 847 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,119 do that and think it would help, them then, yeah 848 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,679 just let me know and we'll get that set. Up 849 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,760 and of Course i'm sure you already realize there's never 850 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,079 any pressure to come on the. Show i'd be more 851 00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,039 than happy to talk privately with, them and, again no 852 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,119 pressure whatsoever to come on. Here so please make sure 853 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:40,800 they understand. 854 00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,039 Speaker 3: That, oh thank, You, vic that's very. Lovely you're very 855 00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:44,880 understanding and. 856 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,519 Speaker 2: SUPPORTIVE i WILL i will talk with, them and you, 857 00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:50,360 know tell them THAT i think it would be good for. 858 00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 1: Them well you're. Welcome, yeah that's What i'm here for 859 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,079 glad to do it now about thirty minutes ago or. 860 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,000 SO i couldn't tell if you're answering this next. Question 861 00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,119 So i'm going to ask you now number, one how 862 00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:08,360 remote is your Property? Athena and part two of the 863 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,000 question is why do you think the dogman you've seen 864 00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:14,480 so many, times the ones that keep hanging around keep doing. 865 00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:21,039 Speaker 2: So so our property is and particularly remote as it 866 00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:23,440 goes because we have a drive and it goes up 867 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,920 to the main. Road but we are set back into 868 00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:31,760 a lot of, land so we're sort of SURROUNDED i 869 00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:37,159 one hundred and twenty acres and, woodland so it's remote 870 00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:39,440 but not, remote if that makes. Sense there's no houses 871 00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:43,679 next to us at, all so we are just sort 872 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:46,320 of sat in the middle of a bunch of fields 873 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:46,559 if you. 874 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:49,280 Speaker 3: Like but there is a drive that you can get 875 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,599 up to and go up to the main. 876 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:57,480 Speaker 2: ROAD i don't know why they're attracted to here, AGAIN 877 00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,320 i think because it is one of the old oldest 878 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,280 houses in the, Vale so you're probably looking at sort 879 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,360 of late sixteenth century that this property dates back. To 880 00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:13,000 and there is a very very, old you, know one 881 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:19,519 of the oldest elder forests In, EUROPE i think, here 882 00:57:20,599 --> 00:57:23,039 SO i think there's something. Here and we're on lay 883 00:57:23,079 --> 00:57:25,440 lines as, well SO i think there's something here that 884 00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,599 they are drawn. To BUT i just wonder whether they 885 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,719 keep following me. Around to be, honest it's they didn't 886 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,320 follow me To, australia so that was. Good BUT i 887 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,199 do wonder whether you know they are, drawn because it's 888 00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:46,480 almost like they're welcome And i'm in yet another spiritual 889 00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,400 you know. Zone let's, say, yeah. 890 00:57:50,239 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: That's one of the things about. You it could really 891 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,159 go either. Way it might be a case where they 892 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:57,679 just did follow you and that's why they're. There but 893 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,360 when you started listing all the things that were around, 894 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,320 you around your, property that right there could attract. THEMSELVES 895 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:05,960 i guess we're never going to really. 896 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 2: Know, No, no that is it's it's, interesting AND, i 897 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,519 AS i said, Before i'm very tempted to kind of 898 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:17,039 tap into the hypnotherapy side and ask. Questions but SOMETIMES 899 00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:19,280 i think you're better off not knowing in some. 900 00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 3: Respects so we'll just. 901 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,639 Speaker 1: See, well it's good you know that that is lost 902 00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:27,800 on a lot of. People sometimes it is best not to. 903 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,639 Speaker 2: Know, YEAH i get. 904 00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: It do you have a nightly ritual that you do 905 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,599 to so called batten down the hatches before you go 906 00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:40,199 to bed every, night or do you just go to 907 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,000 bed without any. 908 00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:46,519 Speaker 2: WORRIES i tend to tell everything that's here because there's 909 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,000 a lot of things here that we mean them no 910 00:58:49,199 --> 00:58:52,880 harm and you, know we don't want to move them, 911 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,199 off and if they don't cause us, problems you, know 912 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,800 we won't move them, on you, know and we just 913 00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,679 want to live in. Harmony SO i tend to say 914 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,280 that every, night and also to abide by you, know 915 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:13,519 not infringing unharming any of me or, mine you, know 916 00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:18,039 especially my children or you, know obviously the animals that reside. 917 00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,199 Speaker 1: Here that's probably a good idea that you do, That 918 00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,039 and it definitely seems like it's. Working so, yeah it 919 00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:26,599 sounds like a great, IDEA. 920 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:28,119 Speaker 2: I. 921 00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:29,320 Speaker 3: Hope SO i hope it keeps. 922 00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,760 Speaker 1: Working, yeah, DEFINITELY i hope it. Does. Well we're about 923 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,000 out of Time athena before we get out of. Here 924 00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:39,119 definitely closing comments you want to put out there for. 925 00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:45,039 Speaker 2: Us i'm just really very grateful That i'm able to 926 00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:50,760 come on here and you, know share my experiences with. 927 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,719 Everyone and ALSO i would just like to say THAT 928 00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,039 i think we all have to listen to our instincts 929 00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,800 and be. Respectful and that's really, it really and just, 930 01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:06,639 yeah that's. It just be respectful of each other as 931 01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:10,920 well as the paradormal or black dogs or dog men 932 01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:13,559 or were wolves or whatever is out. 933 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: There wouldn't they be nice if that was always the, 934 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,480 case it Would, YEAH i definitely. 935 01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:20,880 Speaker 2: Would. 936 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,559 Speaker 1: WELL i can't thank you enough for coming on to 937 01:00:23,639 --> 01:00:26,199 share the details of all those experiences with. US i 938 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,599 really appreciate. It and please remember IF i can ever 939 01:00:29,679 --> 01:00:31,320 help you in the, future all you have to do 940 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,440 is let me, know and of Course i'll be there for. 941 01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 2: You thank you so so, much, big thank, You thank 942 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:39,400 you for what you're doing for. People it is truly. 943 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:40,239 Amazing thank. 944 01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:43,519 Speaker 1: You oh you're. Welcome, YEAH i wouldn't have it any other, 945 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,840 way all right? Then, well, yeah LIKE i, said thanks 946 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,480 again so much for your Time, athena and have a great. 947 01:00:49,559 --> 01:01:12,840 Nights english