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guest is Athena. Athena, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hi Bick, Thank you for having me and allowing me
to tell my story.
Speaker 1: Well, thanks so much for being here. We appreciate your time. Athena,
please give us a brief bio on yourself.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fifty years young.
Speaker 2: I live in beautiful North Wales in the UK. My
mum moved us up from London when I was seven.
I've lived in other places, including Australia, but I always
come back to the North Wales because it's so beautiful.
I am a clinical hypnotherapist, mother.
Speaker 3: Animal lover. I live on a.
Speaker 2: Really old rural farm that backs onto some ancient woodland.
I've got a small stud I have seven stallions.
Speaker 3: At home and broodmares, and I have a.
Speaker 2: Big pack of dogs, include sausage dogs and sighthounds.
Speaker 3: Got cats as well, so and chickens.
Speaker 2: So yeah. I've got a menagerie, so yeah. And I
also I'm a sculptor as well and artists.
Speaker 3: So that's about it for me.
Speaker 1: Wow a thin. You know what a great life you live? Yeah,
Ivius live in a beautiful place on a farm and
beautiful country like that in the countryside with all those animals.
What's not to like about that?
Speaker 2: It is I am very blessed, very very blessed, and
that the scenery is absolutely stunning and lovely old woodlands,
mountains and houses and properties. I am. I'm blessed.
Speaker 1: Thank you that you are. Yeah, it's good you realize
that too. A lot of dog me and eyewitnesses had
preanormal experiences before they have their first dog Man encounter.
Does that apply to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty much right the way through.
Speaker 2: As far back as I can remember, my mother was
quite spiritual, and so it was just kind of like
second nature. Really.
Speaker 3: I saw my first.
Speaker 2: Spirit probably when I was about three and a half four.
I used to see orbs, all sorts of things, and
to me, they were just like real people. So I've
had a lot of paranormal experiences pre the dog Man experience.
So yeah, that's very true, very true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it is. How many episodes of
the show have you listened to you. The reason why
I asked that is, i'd say, about what three months ago,
a lady came on who has a farm in the
UK somewhere I think in northern England, where she's in
a really similar situation to you. She has an ancient
forest around her farm, and she has all sorts of
pure normal experience, says all the time. And also she
has a resident group of dogmen hanging around her farm.
Have you ever listened to that episode? Does that sound familiar?
Speaker 3: No, I haven't.
Speaker 2: I'd be fascinated to listen to it. It was a
very good friend of mine that put me onto you, actually,
beck and suggested that I get in contact.
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest, I've.
Speaker 2: Listened to probably only a couple of episodes before I
messaged you, So I didn't want to kind of listen
to anybody else's experience before I because I needed to
get the courage to come and tell you myself from
my own viewpoint.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad they directed you, Timmy. Thank goodness
for that me too. The relationship and eyewitness has with
her appearance plays a big role on how easy or
difficult it is for that youngster I should say, to
come to terms with their encounter consideringly. Fact that you
had that first encounter with that dogged me at such
a young age. What kind of a relationship did you
have with your parents back then?
Speaker 2: And so it was just my mum actually, and I
had a very close relationship with my mother. I was
able to tell of things, especially paranormal experiences.
Speaker 3: It was just kind of second nature.
Speaker 2: So I was actually very fortunate, and I think that
helped an awful lot, because I think if I hadn't
been believed or listened to, it would have been a
much more traumatic experience than it already was.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sure it would have been a lot more traumatic.
Thank goodness. It sure sounds to me like you hit
the lottery when they were passing out mothers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was good, she was she was a star.
Speaker 1: Sure sounds like it to me. It didn't take long
speaking with you to realize how well adjusted you are.
What do you attribute the fact that you were able
to overcome multiple traumatic dog mean encounters the way you
have and mature into such a well balanced adult.
Speaker 2: Again, I think my upbringing, I spent a lot of
time outside, and I think I realized very quickly that
if you know, the dog men had wanted to hurt me,
you could have very, very easily done that. So I
think I kind of rationalized it. I also did a
psychology degree as well, so I think I think I've
been quite lucky. Really, I've been able to sort of
like look at things and look at them rationally, and yeah,
I think that, you know, I've just been very lucky.
But I've been lucky with the people that surround me,
my friends, my family, you know, my children, my partner.
I am very fortunate.
Speaker 1: I'd say you are. You were living in the country
back when you had that first encounter, and you obviously
live in the country now on that farm. How are
you able to live in the country still the way
you do after having all these experiences and still having
dog men around.
Speaker 2: Oh, to be honest, for I wouldn't want to live
anywhere else. I have lived in London, in the heart
of London at points in my life. I have lived
in Australia in Perth again in the city, and in
all honesty, I felt more vulnerable in a town setting
than I do in the countryside. And again I think
I tried to listen to my instincts, and if I
feel like I'm unsafe, I will listen to those instincts
and it's kept me safe, whether it be in the
city or in the country. So and I do love
being outside. I'm a very outside the type of person.
Speaker 1: I understand everything you said, like living in the country.
From what I understand, you found out about a frightening
dogman encounter that happened about two hundred years ago and
not all that far from London. When where can you
tell us about that?
Speaker 2: And I actually wasn't very far from where I had
my first dog man experience.
Speaker 3: And I did some research and I found out that.
Speaker 2: A coach and horses was set upon by what was
described as werewolves.
Speaker 3: And it was actually published in the Times, and it was.
Speaker 2: The early Victorian time, so it was you know, it
made the papers, it made the Times. So that made
me set up and think, okay, it's not just me
that this has happened locally to the event. And it
was on it's like a moorland. It was part of
the coaching route, so it was very it's very desolate
and very scary up there. I don't like driving there.
I don't like driving there, even in the summer because
it is quite desolate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does sound like a really spooky place and
the perfect place to have a dogman encounter.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Yeah, I wouldn't have wanted to have been them,
that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Definitely, Oh, no doubt.
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All right, please tell us about your encounters. Now, give
us a real last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my first encounter happened when I was about
sixteen and a half. It was late July, it was summer,
it was a hot summer, and it was nineteen ninety two.
I went to bed as normal, and I got to
sleep really easily, and I was awoken by this, oh,
just a really deep guttal gravel and my bed was
pushed up against the wall and I had a big
window opposite, and it was quite a moonlight night, so
it was really quite bright, and by the side of
my bed, to the bottom of my bed was this
most unbelievable site, unbelievable site. He was huge, I would say,
probably about three and a half to four foot to
the shoulder. Massive For all intents and purposes, it looked
like a werewolf. That was the only thing that was
going through my head at the time. He had a
long muzzle which was pretty much bored. Actually, it was
quite sparse, very mobile, and his coat was very again sparse,
quite coarse. He looked quite for want of a better word,
really he looked quite mangy, so that his fur was
quite patchy. And he had massive, gosh, massive canines, massive canines,
and his eyes they were luminescent and they were a
yellow gold, yellow gold color. And he just looked very,
very intelligent. And he was sloped down from the from
the shoulders down to the haunches. He had massive haunches
that looked disproportionate and ungainly and angled, and his joints
looked angled on the hinds and they kind of stuck
out and very long and elongated. And the same went
for his front legs as well. They were very long
and it sounds so mad. But his front paws weren't
weren't like pause, they were almost like and I guessed
the long, long, long fingers, like fingers with massive claws.
Speaker 1: On the end.
Speaker 2: And he was just sat there looking at me and
like a dog would snarl. He was just snarling, showing
me his canines. And at that point I was I
just lost it. I was screaming, and my mother come
running in, burst into the bedroom. I mean it was
about three o'clock in the morning. She came bursting in,
and you know, this is the crazy thing about it.
He just vanished. He just vanished before she got in
the door. And I would have thought it was a
night terror or a nightmare had she not said to me,
you know, what is that god awful smell? And I
just broke down and told her what it was, and
she took me downstairs, got me abrady because.
Speaker 3: I was shaking, and obviously I couldn't go back to sleep.
Speaker 2: But Arlie, about a few days so fur four days
before that, I would say, my bedroom was completely lit
up with this extraordinarily bright light. It was a bright
white blue light, but it was so bright that it
woke me up, so that happened four days before he
made his first appearance, So that was the first time
that I saw him. Oh okay, I'm just gonna ground
myself a little bit. So the next one it actually
happened to my brother. It was probably a couple of
weeks after that, yeah, two or three weeks maybe after that.
And he had gone out to our local town. And
again it's very rural, so you know, it takes about
fifteen or twenty minutes to get to the local town.
And when I say town, it's quite a tiny town.
So he'd gone out with some friends and he driven
home late at night.
Speaker 1: And he.
Speaker 2: When he got home, we were all still up downstairs
and he was as white as a sheet and shaking,
and my mom was asking him what's wrong, what's wrong?
Speaker 3: And he had an accident. Are you okay?
Speaker 2: And he couldn't talk for a bit. So again my
mom's usual, you know, go to was some brandy calmed
him down and then he described what had happened to him.
And he was basically driving home. And here in Wales
we have very very narrow lanes. It's only like one
car with and each side. As he's driving along, there's
a bank on each side, and as he was driving along,
he saw something coming up very fast, running by the
side of the car, and so he accelerated and it
kept pace with him, and it leapt over his bonnet,
used his bonnet as a leap pad basically, so it
bounced on the bonnet, leapt over onto the other bank,
kept pace with him for a bit, and then disappeared
off up into the woodland.
Speaker 3: And that's that's what he'd seen.
Speaker 2: But he was so traumatized by it to this day,
but he still won't talk about it. He still won't
talk about it. And he's a big guy. He's like six',
three really in control of. Himself he's been in the,
military you, know very centered. Person but still to this
day he won't talk about it because it disnerved him so.
Much so that, happened and then.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 2: Like literally probably about a week after, that maybe a
week and a, HALF i was in you, know my
mum's small holding, cottage AND i could hear that there
was a big ruckus going, on and My mum's, saying
what's going on in the, fields go and check the.
Broodmares something's going, on and with courses because they're prey.
Animals you can always tell when something when they've sighted
something by the way that they. Look so these, broodmares
but obviously they've got, bowles they're in, fole so they're really.
Protective so they were on the top of a hill
looking down into the next. Field they're all, snorting running
backwards and, forwards and SO i walked over to them
to see what they were looking. At and there was
the same dog mahn That i've seen in my. Bedroom
and at that POINT i didn't know that it was
a talk a. MAN i thought it was aware for
or something like. That So i'm stood, there transfixed watching him.
Lope that's the best WORD i can use for. Him was,
loping and he was looking from the distance THAT i
was looking at through he was loping through the fields
and the HEIGHT i would put him at was probably
the size of a thirteen hand. Pony he was, massive
and Obviously i'm watching, him and he, stopped turned and
just stood and looked at me and observed. Me and
it was really very. Disnerving AND i think the crazy
thing is WHICH i really can't come to terms, with
was the fact that it's almost like he, communicated as
if to Say i'm not going to hurt. You he
just turned and went up into the, bank into the
woodland and. Disappeared so that was the last one for
quite a few. Years that was the last, sighting And
i'd moved out the, area gone, away lived In, australia
then come back to the, area AND i had horses,
myself AND i had a few broopmares in a field
AND i don't know WHETHER i had anything to do
with him or a dog, man BUT i had a
week and a half old fole that just. Disappeared it
just vanished out the field and its mother was very.
Distraught she was running backwards and. Forwards there was some
drag marks on the. Floor we searched the, field couldn't
find any remnants of this. FOLE i mean it was
a flat, field SO i don't know whether he was
taken by a person or, what but there was a
lot of destruction in the field where obviously the mayors
had been going absolutely. Ballistic so fast forward on quite
a few years from that and now we. Are i've
moved to this lovely old property which is one of
the oldest properties in the, vale and me and my
daughter were just sat in our kitchen having a cup of.
Tea she'd come over to, visit and she was due
to go, home and we just sat there having a
cup of.
Speaker 3: Tea if we looked out of the window and these
two huge.
Speaker 2: Dog men wear, wolves, well you, know we were at
that point we still thought that they were were. Wolves
really just trotted past the. Window and she looked at
me and, went DID i just see that? Correctly was that?
Real AND i, went, yeah thatt was. Real so obviously
she didn't want to go home. There she didn't want
to go home, there so she ended up staying here
and we ended up having a rather large glass of,
gin AND i just told her about all of my earlier.
Experiences i'd never told her about any of the things
that had. Happened so she started to get interested in
that kind of side of. Things and BECAUSE i do,
HYPNOTHERAPY i was actually fast forward another couple of months
AND i was doing a session with her for some,
trauma and it ended up that we well ASKED i.
Asked it came out within the course of that conversation
why she's in deep. HYPNOSIS i asked what these creatures,
were and that deeply subconscious side of her come through
and said basically that they're. Guardians SO i don't know
whether that's so or, what but it kind of fits
in a way because the area that we live in
as lay, lines there's old ancient burial, Chambers celtic, forts
you name, it it's.
Speaker 3: Here and you know, here especially where we live, now.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of, old ancient one of the
most oldest woodlands you, know historically looked at backs onto
to our, farm and we have seen we call them willow,
wisps so like fay, lights fairy, lights and we see
those and then we hear how that's the only WORD
i can. Use it's. Howling and they surround the, farm
and you, know you just have to have a sense
of sometimes it's okay to go outside and sometimes it's.
Not you get a sense for it's not okay to go.
Here and this particular part of the woodland That i'm
talking about IS i CAN'T i can't get any of
my horses TO i can't ride them past. There they
won't go past that part of the. Forest they will
literally turn around and bolt back. Home i've not been
able to get any of my horses past. IT i
can't walk my dogs past. It they won't go past.
It they will literally turn tails and run. Home they
will just bolt. Home SO i don't try. Anymore and
the one time that, myself a good friend of mine
and my, partner we went into this ancient, woodland, ah
it was very. Disturbing we heard them surround. Us they
were you could hear them in breaking through the, woodland
and they were, howling and they'd surrounded us, basically AND
i just said out loud and in my head Because
i'd gone completely like the goose flesh should completely come
up on my skin at this, time AND i was,
like we need to just. Go SO i just said out,
aloud don't, worry we mean you no. Harm i'm, sorry we've.
Trespassed we're leaving. Now we're going. Now so they were so.
Quick we would hear one from the left and then
literally within a nanosecond it was on the right hand
side of. Us so we just got out of, that
got out of that woodland very, quickly and we've not
gone in there. Since AND i just abide via. That,
really that's just it's their, territory not. Mine there's obviously
something in there that they're, protecting so that's. Fine we
just leave them to. It and the last thing to
happen only. Happened a couple of weeks. Ago my sister
and her husband come over to, visit and she was
upstairs in the spare bedroom and we were all downstairs
in the. Kitchen and this is a very big. House
it's a very big. House we've got attic. Rooms then
you have another, level and my sister was in one
of the guest rooms on that, level so she was up,
there we were all. Downstairs her bedroom backed onto the
garden and, forest and so she cut.
Speaker 3: Down it's what she, said who was?
Speaker 2: That who did?
Speaker 3: That and we're all, like we've all been, here we've not,
moved we've all been sat.
Speaker 2: Here why what's? Happened and she, Went i've just heard
the most awful guttural growl. Ever and it was it
was coming through the window of the back garden and
it was, really really. Loud and so her husband was, like,
oh was it one of the sausage dogs or was
it was it one of the sight, Hands and she was, like,
NO i know the difference between a normal dog. Growl
that was not a normal dog. Growl she, SAID i
thought one of you was doing it as a as
a joke to frighten, me and we was, like, no
we've all been. Here so my sister is a real
disbeliever of all things, paranormal so weirdly, enough even though
we had the same, upbringing but she's never she's never
really seen anything or had that. Experience so and she's very,
scientific so she's now changed her whole concept of what
is real and what. Isn't and the last time she
comes to visit, us which is last, week was she
wouldn't go upstairs. Alone, now so, yeah that's that's what
we're up. To and they're just they just surround the.
Property you can hear them howlan at, night and that's,
fine that's. Fine we just, yeah we just kind of
get on with. It really, well that's.
Speaker 1: About all you can. Do and considering how your sister
used to be such a skeptic after she had that
experience upstairs that, night is she interested In dogman now
now that you told her about your.
Speaker 2: Experiences she's more of a scientific. Mind SO i think
she is of the belief that it's not. Paranormal it
could possibly be another species or something that's been released
into the you, know into the. Wild let's, say.
Speaker 1: So she doesn't think they're a. Parentormal, YEAH i don't think.
Speaker 3: SO i think she thinks they're.
Speaker 2: More you, know real.
Speaker 1: Life, yeah well a lot of people feel that. Way
how about. You you've seen dargm in so many? Times
what do you think they are ATHENA.
Speaker 2: M i am erring towards the side of of paranormal
supernatural only because the one THAT i saw just disappeared so.
Quickly he vanished a. Woman he was there next minute he.
Wasn't AND i do think that because of the places
That i've, seen them tend to be very, old ancient
sites that have you, know druid, type you, know. INFLUENCES
i think that's what they. Are BUT i do think
that of, see they can manifest in a in a solid.
BODY i think that they can go through, portals AND
i know that sounds absolutely, crazy BUT i did have
AN i actually forgot that, one BUT i did have
an experience WHERE i was younger again and was riding
over it's a it's an Old roman road AND i
could hear and glimpse a dog man in the there's
like a it was like a clift and, forest and
it was up there, growl AND I i feel and
watching and there, was.
Speaker 3: The want of a better, word it was like a
shimmery kind of.
Speaker 2: Space AND i that's what makes me think perhaps they
are coming from different.
Speaker 3: Auto into our time and then going back.
Speaker 2: THROUGH i don't. KNOW i really don't, know BUT i
think the one THAT i saw or have been, seeing
and the ones that are, HERE i do think that
they are not complete flesh and. BLOOD i think these
guys are something supernatural and some form of. Guardian but
that's the. SENSE i could be, wrong but that's the
sense THAT i kind of, get AND i don't feel
threatened as long As i'm respectful of.
Speaker 1: Them considering all these experiences you've, HAD i can't see
how they could be anything but supernatural. Beings SO i
understand before ninety, two when you had that First dogmian,
encounter had you already had a lot of paranormal experiences
or did they not start happening until after that First dogmian.
Speaker 2: Encounter, No i've had quite a lot of paranormal, experiences
so much so that my mother had to actually speak
to one of her friends to shut that side of
me down or ease it, off because the things THAT
i was seeing were just they were they were too.
Speaker 3: MUCH i would IF i would go.
Speaker 2: To, say for, example IF i drive through somewhere where
there'd been a, crash, FITTIM i WOULD i would see.
Them and or if, somebody you, know if their life
had ended badly so and it was just too.
Speaker 3: Much SO i did.
Speaker 2: Know i've been played by it as a as a,
youngster especially you're as.
Speaker 1: Sensitive then do you see that as being an advantage
or a. DISADVANTAGE i don't know.
Speaker 2: REALLY i, MEAN i would like to say it's an
advantage because you, know you you have an open mind to,
Things but sometimes it can be a disadvantage because you're
wide open to all kinds of different. Things i've learned
to kind of shut it, down AS i, SAY i,
mean they shut me, down breathe a dog man, experience
so to see things like. That so, YEAH i don't.
KNOW i think you've kind of got to look at it.
Rationally there's you, know falls and against on both. Sides
isn't there really.
Speaker 1: Well like anything, Else i'm sure there are good things
and bad things that come along with, it but, yeah
that's just one of those. Things if you are a
sensitive that does seem to predispose you to having dog
me and.
Speaker 3: Encounters, Yeah i'm beginning to think that that is the.
Speaker 1: Case, yeah it definitely seems to. Be it's a bitter,
pill but it definitely does seem to be the. Keys
how close was your mother's bedroom tears back when you
had that first dog mean, encounter.
Speaker 2: And so it was across the, hall so you had
the stairs the land in my bedroom and her bedroom
was across the. Land then you.
Speaker 1: Said that first dog man looked. Mengy did it stink
while it was right there at the foot of your
bed or did you not smell that sulfury smell until
it had? Disappeared, no he.
Speaker 2: Did he smellt he. Smelled he smelt like a combination
because of you, know having animals, around growing up on,
farms et. Cetera you, know the smell of. Death and
it was the smell of decay mixed with sulfur mixed
with like a musky kind of a. Smell so, yeah
that he kind of that Was, yeah he was.
Speaker 1: HONKY a lot of people have had pureanormal experiences associate
that sulfury smell with demonic. Entities do you think that
might be what it? Was and that's why you smell.
Speaker 2: That oh, yeah do you. Know i've thought about this
quite a lot, actually and it could very well be
BECAUSE i have had other, experiences other paranormal experience is
where there have been some very nasty, entities demonic, entities
and they do come in with that sulfur. Smell so
that did cross my. Mind, actually you, know whether he
was a demonic being or. Not, REALLY i mean these
THINGS i, think you. KNOW i mean that there are
legends of these guys being Around wales and THE uk
for centrists for. Generations they've always been, around you, know
we HAVE i can't remember what The welsh name for them,
is but they've been talked about four centuries In welsh
myth and it's like the black SHOOK i think is
THE uk.
Speaker 1: Equivalent, yeah Black shuck is well known Around. ENGLAND i
know exactly what you're talking. About has one of the
coping mechanisms you've used over the years revolved around the
fact that these guys have been able to harm you
if they would have wanted, to but chose not.
Speaker 2: Too, YEAH i think that is the big take home for,
me is the fact that he could move like that
and just. DISAPPEAR i you, Know i've seen, him AS i,
say in the field WHEN i was. Younger it's so
massive that had he had wanted to harm, me all
these guys that are hanging around here, now if they
wanted to harm, me my, animals you, know my loved,
Ones i'm sure they would have done. It AND i
think as. WELL i think BECAUSE i tried to look
at it in a logical way as. WELL i, MEAN
i did do some more, research but it actually kind
of landed on my on my lap actually in my
thirties where some information was recovered About REMEMBER i was
telling you about the carriage over the, Moors, well that
was the site one of the sites where there was
there was a tribe Apparently celtic Track vibe and they
were known as The wolfhead.
Speaker 3: Tribe, now whether.
Speaker 2: That was because they had wolf skins or whether they
were actual dog, MEN i don't know whether we will ever,
know but that was an interesting piece of historic you,
know find really to sort of support. That so if
these things have been around for, CENTURIES i kind of
think that there would be a lot, more you, know
we we'd hear a lot more surely about them harming.
People unless they do it on the, QUIET i don't,
Know so, yeah that's my thought process in coping with.
It and, obviously you, Know i'm a mother of a young,
child so if there was any real, DANGER i wouldn't
allow him to go out and wander around the. Farm quite.
HAPPILY i do tell him to be careful and to
listen to his, intuition but you, KNOW i don't get
the sense that they mean us harm as long as
we listen to.
Speaker 1: Them you mentioned The. Celts celts would don beer skins
to try to intimidate people that they would, fight and
of course berserker beer, berserker that's where the term berserker comes.
From SO i wouldn't put it past them to don
wolf pelts as well try to get an edge against
people that they were fighting. AGAINST i bet you that's
got a lot more to do with it than it
being like a sin Of cephalie type, situation whereas actually
creatures with human bodies and wolf.
Speaker 2: Hits, yeah, probably you, know it's just another interesting kind
of bolt on for those like me that are kind
of quite fascinated by like myth and legend and but,
YEAH i think in a real logical, way if you're
looking at. It, scientifically it probably, was you, know because
back in the day then they did have in THE,
uk you, Know scotland, Whales. ENGLAND i, mean obviously we don't,
now but you, know back in the day they would.
Have so, yeah you are probably one hundred percent correct.
Speaker 1: THERE i bet you good. Money that's what was going
on as you were watching that dog me in at
the foot of your bed that. Night was it giving
any indications that it was about to pounce on you
or did it just seem to be frozen in?
Speaker 2: Place, no he was just it was just as though
he was just sat there observing. ME i didn't get
the sense that he was going to jump on. ME
i just got the sense that he was observing me
and just showing me his. Presence when he was snarling at,
me that WAS i don't know whether it was threatening
or it was just a display of just how you,
know a powerful he. WAS i really don't, Know BUT
i didn't ever get the sense that he was going
to leap on. Me he was just sat there like
a very you, know like a big, dog just sat
there watching me. Intently and you, KNOW i MEAN i
grew up with Great danes and mastiffs And i've had
Great danes and mastiff since, then and he was so
much bigger than any of those, dogs and so much
more powerful as.
Speaker 1: Well you poor. THING i can only imagine the THOUGHTS
i must have been going through your. Head and speaking of,
that your bedroom was obviously well lit by moonlight that
night he had a bright moon. Out did you ever
see any expressions on its? FACE i give you the, impression,
or at least now present, day give you the impression
that it was getting a kick out of seeing the
fact that it did it frightened you so.
Speaker 3: Much, YEAH i think.
Speaker 2: So AND i also think he was looking at me
LIKE i was in, experiment and he was just. Fascinated
he looked, fascinated you, know like when a dog tilts its.
Head he had that kind of movement when he was
moving his muzzle and he was left in his, guns
and he was just looking at, me very, intently tilting
his head and that dog kind of look of intense. Interest, so,
yeah probably he was enjoying the fact that because it's,
fear isn't, It and obviously there was probably a whole
load of fear coming off of, me and he was
probably getting a you, know a sense of something from.
Speaker 1: That, Oh i'm sure he. Was, unfortunately that's what these guys.
Do what was it doing with his hands when all
this was going.
Speaker 2: On they were just flat on the. Floor he didn't
do anything with them at. All they were just in,
position flat on the floor to the front paws and
the hind.
Speaker 3: Paws he didn't. Move he was just literally his head
that was.
Speaker 1: MOVING i noticed you did say flat on the. FLOOR
i just want to verify by saying, that you mean
that he wasn't knuckled under like a gorilla for. Example,
no they were flat palms on the.
Speaker 2: Floor, yeah they were long and that they were almost ridiculously.
Long that was the weird. Thing they just didn't look.
Right they weren't like dog, paws you. Know these were like,
Mobile that's the only WAY i could. Say they were.
Mobile and the hind they were almost up and they
just looked very bizarre behind pause as, well they just,
yeah looked.
Speaker 1: Strange, yeah strange doesn't do it any. JUSTICE i get.
IT i know it's been years and years of, Ena
but if you had to guess roughly how big would
you say his hands?
Speaker 2: Were oh my, goodness, Wow oh SO i would say
like a large man's hands times. Two they were, massive massive,
things massive.
Speaker 3: Things and then you've got the claws on the end as.
Speaker 2: Well they were.
Speaker 1: Huge how long were its?
Speaker 3: Claws probably about two three inches.
Speaker 1: Two to three? Inches what more can you tell us
about those claws to describe?
Speaker 2: Them and they were like a like a, semicircle and
you know how you Have they look sharp but almost
like a cross between a cat and a, dog if
that makes, Sense but rounded does? That do you understand
WHAT i mean WHEN i say they were? Rounded they look,
sharp but like a cross between a cat and a.
Dog they looked like they could retract weirdly as.
Speaker 1: Well oh, NO i do. Understand and, yeah some eye
witnesses they do describe them almost looking like they've got
this ability to attract their. CLAWS i don't know what
that's all, about but that's not unprecedented whether our witnesses
have reported, that, right?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah BECAUSE i, mean you, know they just look
like they wouldn't be safe to be out like that
all the, time almost like it would cause them a
hindrance if they were out like that all the. Time
do you know WHAT i? Mean it just didn't. Fit
but then nothing about these. Guys is obviously. Logical is
it to me or you, know to anyone that sees?
Speaker 1: Them, oh there's no doubt about. That, yeah that's a
given there and this also meantics it really. Is but
would you say that talents or clause would be a
more effective way to?
Speaker 2: Describe oh so talents really more, so more edging towards
talents than. Claws but, again it's almost like they're a
hybrid between the. Two, they you, know and trying to
kind of go back in my, Memo banks asked WHAT
i WOULD i would, say they're not like they weren't
like dog, claws you, know like dog. Nails they weren't.
White her what color were? They they were?
Speaker 1: Black, Black that's WHAT i would. Inspect did you notice
any changes in your mother's behavior after you had that first?
Experience in other, words does she seem to be really
concerned about your safety after? That?
Speaker 3: Not.
Speaker 2: REALLY i think the thing Is muma was a very
no Nonsense cockney born in The bowbells kind of, person
and you, know she was very you, know black is
black and white is. White and Obviously i'd seen so
much growing up with the whole paranormal thing anyway THAT
i think she just, thought, oh it's just another one
of her you, know her, entities paying a, visit and you,
know she's basically just a case of, well you, know
that's the word that it. Is but after the broodmare
is when you, know it became evident that something was,
around and my brother she never you, know that's you
know you mentioned in that, now she was never really
worried about. It, bizarrely it was, just you, know you
just get on with. It you just have to get
on with. It be, careful but just get on with.
It because there'd also been a lot of cases around
that time of sheep being mauled as, well so you,
KNOW i think maybe she thought it was a big,
cat not the one that appeared in my, bedroom but
the other ones that maybe jumped on my brother's, bonnet
AND i think she kind of like maybe logically put
that down to the fact that it was something to
do with the wild, animal you, know when they released
them all in nineteen seventy six into the, forests and
she might have thought it was a black puma or
something like that with the other sighting it's not the
one in my, Bedroom BUT i think she probably rationalized It.
Speaker 1: Yeah you might be. Right that might be what she
was thinking her. Mindset did anything ever happen that upon,
reflection makes you think that she just might have had
a dog in an encounter of her.
Speaker 2: Own, yeah, maybe you, know, MAYBE i mean she came
from a very for, example her great grandmother was one
of the first sort of spiritualist mediums to kind of
have all of that going on In. London so it
wouldn't surprise me if she'd seen something at some point
but just thought she'd better keep quiet about. It and that's.
Speaker 1: Understandable if she did tell you she had, Concerns i'm
sure that it would probably just frighten you that much
more SO i could understand why she wouldn't tell. You M, yeah,
yeah thinking like a. Mother that would make. Sense it
would as your mother was in your bedroom that night
with you and could clearly detect that strong sulfur. Smell
did she seem to instantly believe you when you told
her what you had seen or did it seem to
take her time to come around and accept what had.
Speaker 2: Happened, no she believed, Me but AS i, SAY i
was quite lucky because there's been so much happening before
that with other paranormal things that you. Know it was, just,
yeah she just believed, me which is WHY i was quite.
Speaker 1: Fortunate really, yeah i'd say you definitely. Were you said
that she didn't seem to be worried about your. Safety
but did she ever do any things to try to console,
you to make you understand that it was going to
be okay and that you could go to sleep and
still be. Fine.
Speaker 2: No, again my mother was one of those people that
were very, tough so you, know she'd we obviously because
of the spiritual aspect of. It she'd be, like you,
know ground, yourself put white light around, Yourself you'll be,
fine go to, bed it'll be. Fine don't worry about.
It it can't harm. You it's just a.
Speaker 3: Manifestation and that was that was.
Speaker 2: It there was No she was a very LIKE i,
said very strong character who just didn't you, know she
wasn't scared of, anything that woman at. All she was
an absolute.
Speaker 1: Legend so, yeah, yeah sounds like legend's, right and of
course she had stealing, nerves but that doesn't preclude the chance,
that considering how you were a kid back, then that
she might have tried to help you get over. It
even though she could handle something like that, easily that
doesn't preclude the chance that she might still be concerned
about your ability to deal with. It, so, yeah that's
WHY i was wondering about. That your encounter was infinitely
more traumatic than your brother's. Encounter why do you think
it is that he's still so strongly affected by his
encounter while you're dealing with all these encounters that you've
had so.
Speaker 2: WELL i think because he just locked it away and
just didn't want to think about, it talk about, it
look at.
Speaker 3: It and, again he's a lot like my.
Speaker 2: Sister he is very, scientific, logical and wasn't really you,
know hadn't seen a lot of things as a. Kid
so for, HIM i just think his brain just, WENT
i can't that's not IF i can't deal with, IT
i can't deal with, it And i'm not going to
look at.
Speaker 1: IT i think you hit the knail on the. Head
it's really no different than if you have a bad
wound and you put a band ead on. It can
you see the? Wound, No but you're not dealing with that.
Wound you're not treating that. Wound it's the same thing
you dealt with your experiences but he just tried to
brush his off and never did try to deal with.
Them you're doing so much better now because you did
confront the issue and you tried to get. Better he
never dealt with. It SO i could be, wrong But
i'm pretty sure that's what's going. On just like you,
postulated if you never saw another Dog man as long
as you Live, athena would you be happy about that
or to feel like you gained something in some way
from seeing them just once in the Blue.
Speaker 3: MOON i actually.
Speaker 2: Would be quite sad now BECAUSE i find it quite
fascinating because in some strange, way you feel like you're
quite honored to see these fabled things because they're not
in everybody's, remit not everybody sees. Them SO i would
be sad IF i didn't see another. One but Again
i'm not silly enough to think, that you, KNOW i
can just go out there and everything's going to be hunky,
Dory so you, know, again it comes down to AND
i will carry on respect in. Them so, YEAH i
would be sad IF i didn't see them a.
Speaker 1: GAME i think to a lot of people, listening that
might seem like a strange question to have asked you
but there are a lot of eyewitnesses in your situation
where dogmen are around their, properties where they too would
feel like something was missing if they never saw any
other dog men down the. Road so that's WHY i asked,
that having children the way you, do how much angst
does it cause you knowing that they could have their
own encounters at any given?
Speaker 2: Time, YEAH i. THINK i, mean my children are all
pretty sensitive on the whole paranormal front, anyway.
Speaker 3: BUT i wouldn't want them to be.
Speaker 2: Terrified my oldest daughter obviously when she saw those two
run past the window with, me OBVIOUSLY i was with,
her but you, know she wasn't a small. Child but you,
KNOW i think, AGAIN i Hope i've taught them to
be respectful of, everything AND i think as long as
you handle things with respect and you listen to your,
INSTINCTS i would like to think that they would listen
to that and keep themselves.
Speaker 1: Safe, well they've got an excellent, mother so they've got
that in their. Court that's one heck of an advantage
if they ever do have any, encounters they're in really good,
hands so that definitely doesn't. Hurt thank, You.
Speaker 2: Vick that's.
Speaker 1: Lovely, oh you're, welcome But i'm just telling them like it.
Is it freaked her out that. Night but how well
has your daughter been dealing with seeing those two dogmen
run past your? Window do you think she'd benefit from
speaking with me or is she?
Speaker 2: Good, yeah she might.
Speaker 3: DO i, mean she's Incredibly she's got a lot of.
Speaker 2: Paranormal things going on in she's a channel, actually which
is not brilliant for, her but she's quite fad by.
Them BUT i think she is a bit. Terrified she
kind of shies away from the whole you, know you,
know beasts for better, word or. Monsters so she's a
little bit cautious about that whole side of, things because
it's enough when you kind of come into your own
and you start seeing spirits and ghosts and stuff like,
that which you, know which is what's happening with. Her in,
fact my youngest son is twelve and my oldest daughter she's. Thirty,
words there's quite a big auge. Gap but they dream
the same dreams on the same night as each. Other
if it's a particularly like something's going to, happen and
they will talk to each, other but they'll tell me their,
dreams and they are exactly the. Same so they are
both very, spiritual which can either be a hindrance or a.
Speaker 3: Blessing SO i think she probably.
Speaker 2: Would you, know it would be good to see if
she would be happy To, again it's, crazy isn't. It
it is something that you just, Think, wow people kind
of are accepting of like spirits and, entities but not
so much this whole. Thing SO i will speak to
her and, See.
Speaker 1: Well thanks for doing that. Now of, course having said,
that there's no pressure for her to speak with. Me
there's no pressure for your brother to speak with. Me
but if you're the, one if both would like to
do that and think it would help, them then, yeah
just let me know and we'll get that set. Up
and of Course i'm sure you already realize there's never
any pressure to come on the. Show i'd be more
than happy to talk privately with, them and, again no
pressure whatsoever to come on. Here so please make sure
they understand.
Speaker 3: That, oh thank, You, vic that's very. Lovely you're very
understanding and.
Speaker 2: SUPPORTIVE i WILL i will talk with, them and you,
know tell them THAT i think it would be good for.
Speaker 1: Them well you're. Welcome, yeah that's What i'm here for
glad to do it now about thirty minutes ago or.
SO i couldn't tell if you're answering this next. Question
So i'm going to ask you now number, one how
remote is your Property? Athena and part two of the
question is why do you think the dogman you've seen
so many, times the ones that keep hanging around keep doing.
Speaker 2: So so our property is and particularly remote as it
goes because we have a drive and it goes up
to the main. Road but we are set back into
a lot of, land so we're sort of SURROUNDED i
one hundred and twenty acres and, woodland so it's remote
but not, remote if that makes. Sense there's no houses
next to us at, all so we are just sort
of sat in the middle of a bunch of fields
if you.
Speaker 3: Like but there is a drive that you can get
up to and go up to the main.
Speaker 2: ROAD i don't know why they're attracted to here, AGAIN
i think because it is one of the old oldest
houses in the, Vale so you're probably looking at sort
of late sixteenth century that this property dates back. To
and there is a very very, old you, know one
of the oldest elder forests In, EUROPE i think, here
SO i think there's something. Here and we're on lay
lines as, well SO i think there's something here that
they are drawn. To BUT i just wonder whether they
keep following me. Around to be, honest it's they didn't
follow me To, australia so that was. Good BUT i
do wonder whether you know they are, drawn because it's
almost like they're welcome And i'm in yet another spiritual
you know. Zone let's, say, yeah.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things about. You it could really
go either. Way it might be a case where they
just did follow you and that's why they're. There but
when you started listing all the things that were around,
you around your, property that right there could attract. THEMSELVES
i guess we're never going to really.
Speaker 2: Know, No, no that is it's it's, interesting AND, i
AS i said, Before i'm very tempted to kind of
tap into the hypnotherapy side and ask. Questions but SOMETIMES
i think you're better off not knowing in some.
Speaker 3: Respects so we'll just.
Speaker 1: See, well it's good you know that that is lost
on a lot of. People sometimes it is best not to.
Speaker 2: Know, YEAH i get.
Speaker 1: It do you have a nightly ritual that you do
to so called batten down the hatches before you go
to bed every, night or do you just go to
bed without any.
Speaker 2: WORRIES i tend to tell everything that's here because there's
a lot of things here that we mean them no
harm and you, know we don't want to move them,
off and if they don't cause us, problems you, know
we won't move them, on you, know and we just
want to live in. Harmony SO i tend to say
that every, night and also to abide by you, know
not infringing unharming any of me or, mine you, know
especially my children or you, know obviously the animals that reside.
Speaker 1: Here that's probably a good idea that you do, That
and it definitely seems like it's. Working so, yeah it
sounds like a great, IDEA.
Speaker 2: I.
Speaker 3: Hope SO i hope it keeps.
Speaker 1: Working, yeah, DEFINITELY i hope it. Does. Well we're about
out of Time athena before we get out of. Here
definitely closing comments you want to put out there for.
Speaker 2: Us i'm just really very grateful That i'm able to
come on here and you, know share my experiences with.
Everyone and ALSO i would just like to say THAT
i think we all have to listen to our instincts
and be. Respectful and that's really, it really and just,
yeah that's. It just be respectful of each other as
well as the paradormal or black dogs or dog men
or were wolves or whatever is out.
Speaker 1: There wouldn't they be nice if that was always the,
case it Would, YEAH i definitely.
Speaker 2: Would.
Speaker 1: WELL i can't thank you enough for coming on to
share the details of all those experiences with. US i
really appreciate. It and please remember IF i can ever
help you in the, future all you have to do
is let me, know and of Course i'll be there for.
Speaker 2: You thank you so so, much, big thank, You thank
you for what you're doing for. People it is truly.
Amazing thank.
Speaker 1: You oh you're. Welcome, YEAH i wouldn't have it any other,
way all right? Then, well, yeah LIKE i, said thanks
again so much for your Time, athena and have a great.
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