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Speaker 2: This today is our annual Summer Loving mail Bag, where
Speaker 2: we take on various issues, quirks, themes that are uniquely
Speaker 2: related to the summertime. This year, I put out a
Speaker 2: little APB a couple of weeks ago to ask you
Speaker 2: guys to send me things that are related to summer
Speaker 2: activities and or sports. Things that your partner, spouse, hiring, boyfriend,
Speaker 2: girlfriend does that perhaps particularly flummoxes.
Speaker 1: Or annoys you.
Speaker 2: And I did not want to take this on myself,
Speaker 2: so I needed a pro I needed, first of.
Speaker 1: All, a voice of reason. I needed somebody who is.
Speaker 2: Fairly familiar with activities and or sports. She is the
Speaker 2: host of the very very popular Sports Will Save Us
Speaker 2: All podcast. All those sports may not save some of
Speaker 2: these relationships. Sasha Graham, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, that was a stellar introduction. I'm so
Speaker 3: happy to be so.
Speaker 2: First of all, she had an opinion on ghosting that
Speaker 2: I had not thought of.
Speaker 1: Why don't you like it?
Speaker 3: Well, so here's the thing.
Speaker 4: I totally get everything that you say, like what we
Speaker 4: owe other people when.
Speaker 3: It comes to being not on one day or two
Speaker 3: dates or chatting online. I get it.
Speaker 4: But for me when I was dating, because I'm happily
Speaker 4: married now, but when I was dating, it was about
Speaker 4: efficiency and if I was left waiting around for somebody
Speaker 4: to get back to me, and I'm like, maybe there's
Speaker 4: something there, maybe there isn't, like just let me know,
Speaker 4: just be like, you know what, not into it, not
Speaker 4: feeling it, and then I.
Speaker 3: Can move on.
Speaker 2: Purgatory that you're in, not suring it's a time waster.
Speaker 2: I hadn't considered that very voice of reason.
Speaker 1: You're right on that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure in the moment somebody can let you
Speaker 2: know how they feel. Sometimes they process it a couple
Speaker 2: of days, but there should be like a five day limit,
Speaker 2: so you're not going weeks and weeks like is this
Speaker 2: guy gonna call me? Can I go out with somebody else? What?
Speaker 1: You know? You're right on that he eliminate the gray area.
Speaker 1: So a good start. So there's your.
Speaker 2: Addendum to the ghosting will save us all podcasts. All right,
Speaker 2: So we got a whole shitload of submissions from you guys.
Speaker 2: As always, we picked six, three from the men, three
Speaker 2: from the ladies. I have not looked at these, and
Speaker 2: Sasha certainly has not heard these. We are going to
Speaker 2: read them and give our take on them, which mayor
Speaker 2: we may or may not agree. You guys may may
Speaker 2: may or may not agree. But they're a fresh batch
Speaker 2: right out of the hoppers. So first of all, the
Speaker 2: first one is from Sarahbeth in Renton, Washington. We came
Speaker 2: to your show in Seattle two years ago on our
Speaker 2: first date. Yeah, and now we are engaged.
Speaker 1: Great. Right, here is.
Speaker 2: The issue, Seattle. Seattle's sorry you typed wrong, Sarahbeth. Seattle
Speaker 2: is known for great summers, which makes up for the
Speaker 2: rest of the year. But all my fiance wants to
Speaker 2: do during the summer is fish, Like every weekend. Sam
Speaker 2: in this trout that he will just stand in a
Speaker 2: river in eastern Washington and fly fish for hours.
Speaker 1: It is literally our.
Speaker 2: Only time to do anything outside. And he keeps saying
Speaker 2: why don't you just come it's fun and relaxing.
Speaker 1: It's neither. It's dumb.
Speaker 2: I hate it, and I am seriously thinking it's a
Speaker 2: deal breaker for me. I know I shouldn't change him,
Speaker 2: and he loves what he loves. But I am better
Speaker 2: than the fish. He should want to be with me.
Speaker 4: Oh, Sarah Beeth, I agree you are better than the Fishye,
Speaker 4: you're really.
Speaker 1: Better than the trout. But this good salmon up there,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I agree.
Speaker 2: This is a tough one because the fishing is a
Speaker 2: relaxing escape.
Speaker 1: I don't do it.
Speaker 2: I even think it's mean. Catch and release fishing I
Speaker 2: think is mean. I think you get a hook in
Speaker 2: the face and it's like I threw him back. It
Speaker 2: sucks for the fish. Eat it or don't eat it.
Speaker 1: That's me.
Speaker 2: That's a different podcast. Though it is true about some
Speaker 2: of these poor weather things. You are on the clock.
Speaker 2: You have about ten weekends to do stuff you want
Speaker 2: to do. You can't just been like this is my
Speaker 2: thing and you have to dive in or not. Right.
Speaker 4: So here's the thing that I find really interesting about
Speaker 4: it is that I would think that it was his
Speaker 4: escape from her, except that he's inviting her along, right.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys want to be like I
Speaker 2: want to get away from her. He's invited. He could
Speaker 2: be inviting her along knowing that she doesn't like it.
Speaker 2: That's a different thing. You guys are engaged, though, So
Speaker 2: I am surprised that this must be you came to
Speaker 2: our show two years ago.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: A lot of couples get engaged from coming to the
Speaker 2: Great Love Debate. By the way, so you went through
Speaker 2: this last summer. My answer on this, and we've had
Speaker 2: some versions on this before, is there really needs to
Speaker 2: be a compromise. So you'd be like, listen, there are
Speaker 2: ten weekends in the summer, do four?
Speaker 3: Well, But here's the thing.
Speaker 4: It's Seattle and the weather is getting worse and worse,
Speaker 4: So your summers are going to get shorter and shorter. Eventually,
Speaker 4: it's only going to be two weeks a year that
Speaker 4: she has to worry about going fishing.
Speaker 2: Why did understand it's not freezing there? Why can't you
Speaker 2: fish in the rain? I mean it's pretty miserable with
Speaker 2: the fishing. I mean being outside when it's Seattle. I've
Speaker 2: talked about this for Seattle people pretend it doesn't rain.
Speaker 2: They don't use umbrellas. They just put on like the
Speaker 2: air ARII rain code and like it's fine, it's missing.
Speaker 1: Why can't he fish in the rain?
Speaker 3: I mean maybe he does.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just that it's the summer that's the issue,
Speaker 4: because she wants to be out doing fun outdoor things.
Speaker 2: Right, well, I think, oh, you think he fishes all
Speaker 2: year round and she doesn't care because she's like, go
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: I'm inside, I'm gonna watch a movie. Well let's just
Speaker 1: say there's ten weekends here.
Speaker 2: I think on something like this, you don't want him
Speaker 2: to fish, to quit fishing altogether. I think fisherman guy,
Speaker 2: twenty fishing weekends a year is plenty, and you give
Speaker 2: the other thirty two to her. And if you're just like, no,
Speaker 2: I really have to do this, you know, what are
Speaker 2: you going to do when you guys have kids, or
Speaker 2: if you have kids, you're gonna have to do the
Speaker 2: soccer tournaments on Saturdays and get out of the river,
Speaker 2: right fella. I think she's right. I think she is
Speaker 2: better than the fish. I think she has every right
Speaker 2: to say stop with the fishing. Ooh I do. I'm
Speaker 2: fine if you're dating somebody, I would be like, listen,
Speaker 2: and somebody's like, this is really something that I don't
Speaker 2: want you to do and do. I'm fine with that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, go ahead, Yeah, I agree. I think what
Speaker 2: she wants is more important than the fish. This is
Speaker 2: fishing's fishing's dump. Go to a grocery store and eat
Speaker 2: the fish.
Speaker 3: I am going to.
Speaker 4: Give you my very practical advice, which is that you
Speaker 4: need to find something that you love there.
Speaker 3: So wherever it is that he's.
Speaker 4: Going fishing, it's beautiful, it's outside, it's a beautiful day.
Speaker 4: Find a way that you can and enjoy it and
Speaker 4: do something different while you're there, Like, because it's just
Speaker 4: somebody you love and he loves fishing, Like you don't
Speaker 4: want to love him in spite of that, you want
Speaker 4: to love him that.
Speaker 2: Part of you you're on his side, sort of, Oh
Speaker 2: do we need to fix sides.
Speaker 1: I'm just surprised.
Speaker 3: I just think that relationships.
Speaker 2: You pro fishing.
Speaker 3: Do you like to fish? No, I'm not a big
Speaker 3: I'm not a big.
Speaker 4: The starabeths here like I would much rather go and
Speaker 4: bring my book.
Speaker 3: And then he comes over and gives me a kiss
Speaker 3: on the forehead like and shows me a big.
Speaker 1: Fish that he smells like a fish.
Speaker 2: Now, to be fair, it is lovely the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 2: in the summer during that time, in the river's Columbia River.
Speaker 2: All that kind of stuff, Puget sound, all of it
Speaker 2: is nice. And there are things that she could do
Speaker 2: is read a book by the by the side of
Speaker 2: the rover and go you caught anything?
Speaker 3: Yeah, honey, like all the fish away.
Speaker 2: It just shouldn't be. I have a problem with every weekend.
Speaker 2: That's my issue. Every weekend is rough.
Speaker 3: Well do you think it really is every weekend?
Speaker 1: Well, she wrote to us, and I believe her. I'm
Speaker 1: on your side, Sarabath.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hope that answers your question. I
Speaker 2: think that is a fairly reasonable compromise you had. I
Speaker 2: gave a compromise, Sasha gave a compromise. See if there's
Speaker 2: an answer in there for you, Sarahbath. Okay, next one.
Speaker 2: Do you know how they have that fourth of July
Speaker 2: hot dog eating contest in New York every year? Well,
Speaker 2: this girl I am dating is a total smoke show,
Speaker 2: and she is in fantastic shape and she is a
Speaker 2: competitive eater, mostly crab legs, but also oysters and key
Speaker 2: lime pie, very specific things. Pretty much anything slimy and slippery.
Speaker 2: She can suck down rare. You would think it's a
Speaker 2: turn on, but it's not. It's fucking gross. It's such
Speaker 2: a weird thing to stumble upon when you date somebody.
Speaker 2: She's great in every other way, but she wants to
Speaker 2: drive to these summer contests and I don't know how
Speaker 2: to tell her it's a turnoff.
Speaker 1: So how do I.
Speaker 2: Tell her that's from not chucking in Annapolis?
Speaker 3: Oh, not chucking? This is easy. You just go fishing
Speaker 3: with Sarabeth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that is a weird thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I used to date a girl who could suck down
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of crab legs too. Whatever. Now I
Speaker 1: am pro competitive eating.
Speaker 2: A little secret fantasy of mine is, like I want
Speaker 2: to know, I don't think I could do Joey Chestnut
Speaker 2: level of but I think I take down twenty hot dogs.
Speaker 1: I think I could.
Speaker 2: I used to have at the Fat Burger in Santa Monica, California.
Speaker 2: There used to be a little plaque on the wall
Speaker 2: that I was the King Burger Champion. Are you attracted
Speaker 2: ladies to that? I was the King Burger eating Contest champion.
Speaker 1: I want an eating.
Speaker 3: Con you're how many did you eat?
Speaker 2: It was the time thing. It was the thing that
Speaker 2: like not only if you ate, it was free. It
Speaker 2: was like you and I end I had fries. So
Speaker 2: take that shucking girl and again this, I don't want
Speaker 2: this to be sexist girl competitive eating fair crab legs,
Speaker 2: oysters and key line pie. I think that's a dating attribute.
Speaker 2: I think good. That is very specific. I don't know
Speaker 2: how to tell her it's a turnoff. I think you
Speaker 2: don't tell it's a turnoff. I just think, like I
Speaker 2: don't want to distract you. It's a competition. I root
Speaker 2: you well, I'll meet you in the car. I don't
Speaker 2: know what you can't not to do it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm a little horrified.
Speaker 4: I feel like the fishing thing on his way, like
Speaker 4: that sort of makes sense to me.
Speaker 3: But like key lime pie, like she eats as many
Speaker 3: key line pies as.
Speaker 2: In like five minutes or whatever. You know, it's does
Speaker 2: take a lot of chewing. It's a lot of sucking.
Speaker 2: Ois that's a very specific. So I don't think she's
Speaker 2: good in the chewing stuff. She's good in the sucking stuff,
Speaker 2: which is props to you not chucking in applis.
Speaker 1: She looks good.
Speaker 2: She sees most of the competitive eating people, the real champs,
Speaker 2: they're not the heavy people they are. The stomach is
Speaker 2: a muscle, the throat is a muscle. I think you
Speaker 2: she does it. That's her thing.
Speaker 1: I think most people would think it's cool.
Speaker 3: No, I call deal breaker on this one in a girl.
Speaker 1: I think it's cool in a girl. I like it, well,
Speaker 1: because that means I get to eat whatever I watch,
Speaker 1: So maybe.
Speaker 3: That's maybe you should eat it under my way.
Speaker 2: Well, what how does he tell her?
Speaker 1: What was your answer to that? How do you tell her?
Speaker 3: I don't know. According to you, he can just ghost
Speaker 3: her and move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again, it does seem to like her.
Speaker 2: That's a turnoff. How do you say what you do
Speaker 2: is a turnoff? Or do you just distance yourself on
Speaker 2: competition weekend? There can't be that many competitions.
Speaker 4: I mean, this kind of goes back to what I
Speaker 4: was saying, like you love the whole person or you
Speaker 4: don't love them at all, Like I mean, if this
Speaker 4: is something that he really can't abide by, then I
Speaker 4: think that this is something that I mean somebody.
Speaker 2: Well, how do you say, like, listen, you do it,
Speaker 2: I just can't watch it.
Speaker 1: Do your thing and then we'll meet up later.
Speaker 4: Well, but that's not what he's saying. He's saying that
Speaker 4: he needs to tell her like he's implying that she
Speaker 4: needs to stop down and doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you feel like there's big bucks in
Speaker 2: the key Lime meeting world, but if.
Speaker 3: She loves it, you're gonna tell somebody not to.
Speaker 1: Do your podcast.
Speaker 2: Something about this type of competition, not just the taste
Speaker 2: of the food, because people aren't really taste. There's sucking
Speaker 2: it down. It's a competitive jones that she has and
Speaker 2: this satisfies it.
Speaker 4: It's probably also a community and it's something she's really
Speaker 4: good at.
Speaker 2: Yes, and she feels some I don't think you'd tell
Speaker 2: her to stop. I don't think you need to tell
Speaker 2: her it's a turnoff. I think you just see where
Speaker 2: this relationship goes.
Speaker 1: You have to get through.
Speaker 2: Probably this is the seasonal thing, like how many she
Speaker 2: can't do a lot of them, because they can't.
Speaker 1: Do a lot of them. It is hard on the body.
Speaker 2: So like three or four times you just go fishing
Speaker 2: with the other guy and you don't go to the
Speaker 2: oyster eating contest.
Speaker 4: Don't you think that it's probably something that she talks
Speaker 4: about and that she's excited about it.
Speaker 2: I think she's probably proud of it.
Speaker 3: She's proud of it.
Speaker 2: Right, Say your husband wanted to do this, and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get involved in the the sushi eating contest.
Speaker 1: I think I can do. You want to come?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but for me, it's not a turnoff.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So for him it's it's two fucking bad.
Speaker 2: Like she's a total smoke show. You said your words,
Speaker 2: and she's in great shape, like it's a weird thing.
Speaker 2: But say she was a sword swallower, like you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't want to watch it because
Speaker 2: it seems painful. Let her do her thing. Carve your eyes, fella,
Speaker 2: there's worse things.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I'm her, I'm on her side. Just you don't even
Speaker 1: need to tell her to turn off.
Speaker 2: Just just distance yourself from the competition weekends.
Speaker 3: And then see what happens yourself. A slice of here's
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen.
Speaker 4: She's going to meet somebody at one of those competition
Speaker 4: weekends who loves this part of her and thinks that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's good though, that she has something that's
Speaker 2: passionate out and it is competitive. The fishing guy, I
Speaker 2: don't think he's in fishing competitions, but you know, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: all right, that's a weird one.
Speaker 1: I like that fun. Good for her.
Speaker 2: I'd like to see her. Okay, Yes, what is it about?
Speaker 2: Have you had a competitive eater on?
Speaker 3: No butt to?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely? I mean it's hard and it's physical, and
Speaker 4: it's competitive.
Speaker 2: You could argue that Joey Chestnut is better at his
Speaker 2: sport than anybody else is at their.
Speaker 1: Sport in the world.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's incredible.
Speaker 1: He's so much better than everybody else.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the mental game that's happening there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I mean he makes big bucks.
Speaker 2: The other guy who used to be good, Kobayashi, the
Speaker 2: Japanese guy, he got like a jothritis, like he like
Speaker 2: he hurt himself. He couldn't continue, couldn't go on. But
Speaker 2: Joey justa has done this fifteen years reserve getting old?
Speaker 1: All right? Next one?
Speaker 2: Oh god, what is it with cornhole? I get that
Speaker 2: it's a fun activity, but it isn't an all day activity.
Speaker 2: Somewhere along the line, life became pickleball and cornhole for
Speaker 2: every guy over thirty.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: It's summer and we are in bikinis, and we are hot,
Speaker 2: and we were just standing there watching you throw bean
Speaker 2: bags and drink cors lights.
Speaker 1: Why is this a thing? And how do we make
Speaker 1: it not a thing?
Speaker 2: Melany Facebook page the explosion of I'll take this cornoll
Speaker 2: and pickleball first. Pickleball is not happening around the pool,
Speaker 2: so I don't think there's bikini people at pickleball whatever.
Speaker 1: But pickleball is huge.
Speaker 2: It used to be an older person thing, and now
Speaker 2: it is everybody. It's an all person thing for sure,
Speaker 2: and it's only going to get bigger. You're not going
Speaker 2: to win the pickleball thing. That being said, I saw
Speaker 2: cornhole on ESPN the other day, so I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that's gonna but people do play corn hole for hours.
Speaker 2: Give me the bikinis like I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. I don't know how you make
Speaker 1: it not a thing.
Speaker 2: And it really is sort of everywhere that there's a
Speaker 2: you go to a tailgate, there's cornhole you go to.
Speaker 2: Most apartment complexes now have cornhole. Like, I'm pro bikini,
Speaker 2: so I'm on your side with that. I don't think
Speaker 2: you're gonna make it not a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: All right, So here's my thoughts on cornhole. First of all,
Speaker 4: it's a blast. I totally get it. Like I love cornhole.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's the old if you can't
Speaker 4: beat them, join them situation where if start playing cornhole
Speaker 4: in your bikini, you will be the most popular.
Speaker 3: Girls you were.
Speaker 1: Yes, you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sort of a bikini cornhole as the whole
Speaker 2: that they put that on ESPN.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Second, you haven't been hearing about watch Pie Hot Doggy
Speaker 2: It would be good too.
Speaker 4: I mean we can just accept that bikini plus anything
Speaker 4: and then you're gonna.
Speaker 1: Watch probably good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Why are these guys playing cornhole? Right?
Speaker 4: It's because it's a place where they can be successful. Correct, Right,
Speaker 4: So figure out the motivation and then sort of back
Speaker 4: into it and then figure out how they can be
Speaker 4: successful around you.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: That's a really good point. We bring this up a lot,
Speaker 2: and this comes up a lot at our live shows.
Speaker 2: They might think that you're not interested in them in
Speaker 2: your bikini and you're not creating an environment where their
Speaker 2: confidence can flourish. Why do the men of all ages
Speaker 2: play so many video games? And we hear this from
Speaker 2: wives a lot too. My husband plays video games, my
Speaker 2: son is because that is something that the men feel
Speaker 2: they can win at, and they feel like they are
Speaker 2: failing ninety percent of the time in any situation with
Speaker 2: the women, whether it is parenting, working, take out the garbage,
Speaker 2: dating you or whatever.
Speaker 1: You're not doing it right, You're not doing it well.
Speaker 2: You're losing run And so they're like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: go to a place where I understand what the criteria
Speaker 2: is and the score is, and I'm gonna get good
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 1: Cornhole is very simple.
Speaker 2: You do this, you are a whole different wall of
Speaker 2: wax there in your bikini and how I.
Speaker 1: Am with you.
Speaker 2: You have to then create a situation where just talking
Speaker 2: to you they can win at just being around you.
Speaker 3: Right, yep, I completely agree.
Speaker 2: You know, come man the grill and feel that's why, man,
Speaker 2: they feel.
Speaker 1: Better about that.
Speaker 2: So that's about you saying, not only are you're trying
Speaker 2: to just win by being a distraction from the corn hole.
Speaker 2: You have to give these guys more than that, where
Speaker 2: there's a roadmap at least to some success with.
Speaker 4: You, even if it's something as easy as Hey, that
Speaker 4: drink that you made me last time was really good.
Speaker 3: Do you mind making me another one?
Speaker 2: Like exactly? Ask, that's a really good idea. Hey, put
Speaker 2: down your bean bag, come make me a drink and
Speaker 2: let's have a drink together. Totally, that's not too much
Speaker 2: for you to ask. That's something that he'll, I think
Speaker 2: gladly do. He just doesn't know what he can do
Speaker 2: in your world that will make him not feel like
Speaker 2: a loser.
Speaker 4: Right, So he's getting this dopamine rush by playing cornhole
Speaker 4: with the guys, making all of these points impressing in
Speaker 4: his mind these women in the bikinis while you're going
Speaker 4: come on.
Speaker 2: Man, Cornhole's not going anywhere, pickleball not going anywhere, and
Speaker 2: we're not going anywhere. But I gotta pay for a
Speaker 2: pickleball and corn hole and key line pie around here.
Speaker 2: We had to take a quick break, but we will
Speaker 2: be back. I'm with Sasha Graham and we were taking
Speaker 2: on the summer Love and mail Bag.
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this, and we are back
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 2: This one is from Danny Dee and he sent it
Speaker 2: through our Facebook page.
Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, you had.
Speaker 2: A vegan write in to say that she was fine
Speaker 2: dating a meat eater except during barbecue season, that the
Speaker 2: smell in the smoke was too much. I am the
Speaker 2: same way, except with tanning burning skin. Something about that salty,
Speaker 2: charred skin taste when girls lay out is such a
Speaker 2: turn off. The scent of the oil and the way
Speaker 2: they sweat a little. I just can't deal with it.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm too sensitive to it, but I don't care
Speaker 2: how great the girls look. If they get too fried
Speaker 2: or they're just lying out there too long, I'm out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm looking for advice or just
Speaker 2: asking if I'm the only one out there who experiences this.
Speaker 3: Is he comparing arbecue season to wing.
Speaker 1: Any little bit? Now? I think that's gotten better.
Speaker 2: We're recording this in Arizona, and even people I know
Speaker 2: who grew up here say that even during the summers
Speaker 2: back in the day, they would oil up and they
Speaker 2: would just fry themselves. They would be like shrimp on
Speaker 2: the grill. That people don't really do that anymore. We
Speaker 2: know a little bit more about skin cancer now.
Speaker 4: I think I think in certain places I would guess
Speaker 4: that there are places. I mean, we were in Key
Speaker 4: West not too long ago, and there was plenty of
Speaker 4: that happening, just frying yourself, just like lying on that
Speaker 4: beach and soaking up every still exists.
Speaker 1: Are they all spray now?
Speaker 4: Like? And again around here it's all spray to han
Speaker 4: But I think there are places where they're still tanling beds.
Speaker 2: There is a unique like some people like the smell
Speaker 2: of the ocean and some people don't like the smell
Speaker 2: of the ocean. There is a little bit of like
Speaker 2: that burning, sweating hot thing. I think you have an
Speaker 2: over Is that the only smell that that's a weird
Speaker 2: trigger that you have.
Speaker 4: There's perfume that is mimics that smell. Yeah, you know
Speaker 4: interesting thing that bothers that like why weird?
Speaker 3: Did that work?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I don't think you would smell so bad.
Speaker 2: I think if you go to the beach and the
Speaker 2: mixes with a little you know, cocon oil smell, that's fine.
Speaker 2: If you're just like you don't like the the aesthetic
Speaker 2: of it. People aren't burnt.
Speaker 1: I mean, how old are these people you're hanging out with?
Speaker 2: Is frying? Are the you know kids and they don't
Speaker 2: know how when they're gonna burn.
Speaker 1: Put a little aloe on Danny D.
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a Danny problem.
Speaker 2: I feel yeah, I feel like it's a Danny problem too,
Speaker 2: because he's not saying he doesn't like the way people
Speaker 2: look tanned or over tanned. He just doesn't like the smell,
Speaker 2: taste whatever. Yeah, you are comparing the girls to barbecue
Speaker 2: you taste, I think kind of. Yeah, we did have
Speaker 2: that a couple of years ago, the vegan who wrote
Speaker 2: in on one of these mail bags about the thing,
Speaker 2: and we had to just tell her to stay inside,
Speaker 2: like she didn't have to eat their food. But that
Speaker 2: was her, that was her problem, right, you know, like
Speaker 2: that's the way the meat is prepared, and that's the
Speaker 2: way the meat is prepared. These girls are stanning up
Speaker 2: for you, Danny D. Too bad. If you're saying I
Speaker 2: don't care how great the girls look, then just stay
Speaker 2: away from it, like you can just see them late,
Speaker 2: see them other places.
Speaker 1: Get away from the pool. If that bothers you.
Speaker 3: I feel like maybe he needs to move somewhere cold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 2: He didn't say he's from Facebook, but he didn't say
Speaker 2: where he was from. But yeah, I think you are
Speaker 2: the only one who experiences this. Yeah, that is a
Speaker 2: you problem, Danny de go to a hypnotist.
Speaker 3: Well, and you know, move somewhere where you can be
Speaker 3: more successful.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If a bunch of girls laying out bothers you too bad.
Speaker 2: Be the vegan Danny Day. Yeah, don't indulge the vegan.
Speaker 2: Be the vegan Danny Day. Yeah where are Neither of
Speaker 2: us is on your side and this is a you problem.
Speaker 2: Okay the next one. Let me just preface this with yes,
Speaker 2: I know how to swim. I just do not want
Speaker 2: to get wet, especially not my hair. This shit costs money.
Speaker 2: I do not want to go into your pool, which
Speaker 2: is disgusting and filled with germs and is basically a
Speaker 2: toilet I want. I don't want to go in a
Speaker 2: lake with god knows what kinds of catfish and other
Speaker 2: slimy things and oceans. Don't even get me started, So
Speaker 2: stop trying to lure me in. Under no circumstances. Push
Speaker 2: me in. Your attempts to course me just make me
Speaker 2: angry and not even want to consider you. I want
Speaker 2: to stay dry, bone dry. Do not splash me, do
Speaker 2: not scort me. I don't know why you think turning
Speaker 2: me into a wet rat is going to make you
Speaker 2: more attracted to me. It makes me want nothing to
Speaker 2: do with you. That is from Betsy Ross via our Instagram.
Speaker 3: Okay, I want to be prince with her. First of all,
Speaker 3: I love her.
Speaker 2: Why why do men ever think pushing a girl in
Speaker 2: the pool is a good moment.
Speaker 3: I think it's about the contact, right, You get.
Speaker 1: Two hands on her back for five seconds.
Speaker 3: You get to touch somebody who in a playful way
Speaker 3: that you wouldn't.
Speaker 1: It's not playful.
Speaker 2: I mean it goes back to the we're never really
Speaker 2: better than pulling pigtails in the third grade, and it's
Speaker 2: never a good idea.
Speaker 1: She does not want to get her hair wet.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I'm pro I don't want
Speaker 2: to go in any.
Speaker 1: More natural bodies of water either. I'm out, really, I'm
Speaker 1: out on the lakes.
Speaker 2: There are a lot I feel like that's their habitat,
Speaker 2: and I don't want some catfish biting my foot.
Speaker 4: You know what's so funny about that is that I
Speaker 4: was just having a conversation about this because I was
Speaker 4: just swimming in the ocean last week, and you know,
Speaker 4: there's fish everywhere.
Speaker 3: We were snorkeling.
Speaker 4: It was incredible, And then my daughter was invited to
Speaker 4: a water park and I was like, oh right, Like
Speaker 4: I would so much rather the natural grossness than the
Speaker 4: human groscries.
Speaker 2: Well see, yeah, I know these big pools in Vegas
Speaker 2: with like a thousand people. I travel a lot, and
Speaker 2: I stay in a lot of hotels. I will not
Speaker 2: go into a hotel pool unless it's Tuesday or Wednesday,
Speaker 2: because I don't trust the weekend. I don't trust the
Speaker 2: mondays is good enough chlorine to recover from the weekend?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, year and in band aids.
Speaker 1: Right, it's just gross. I agree.
Speaker 2: I was a guest on your podcast recently and we
Speaker 2: talked about I played water polo in college, and you
Speaker 2: asked if I was a good swimmer, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I used to competitively water ski and you looked at
Speaker 2: me like I was crazy associating water.
Speaker 1: Skiing with ability to swim.
Speaker 3: So little swimming and water ski But I thought.
Speaker 2: My entire life that because I water skied, it's transitioned
Speaker 2: nicely to other water things.
Speaker 4: Now, the best part about that was the look on
Speaker 4: your face as the realization set in that everything you.
Speaker 2: Thought was true was a lot none of my water
Speaker 2: skiing prowess had anything to do with my ability to
Speaker 2: swim and my whole life.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I do all good water.
Speaker 2: Sports, and now like I'm not going in the ocean,
Speaker 2: just not. There's like things, yeah, yeah, I've I've become
Speaker 2: such a baby on all this stuff. Give me a
Speaker 2: nice salt water swimming pool that has not been in
Speaker 2: for anybody else.
Speaker 1: But her thing. She's right on this.
Speaker 2: I've always wondered that I would never push it, And
Speaker 2: now if you push her in, there's a ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent chance she's holding her phone oh at all times,
Speaker 2: and you're.
Speaker 1: Screwing with that too. Don't splash her, don't dunk her.
Speaker 1: All of these things.
Speaker 2: That I'm sure I've done at some point my life.
Speaker 1: Just they don't like it. Almost She's not alone in this.
Speaker 2: She's not the guy who doesn't like the smell where
Speaker 2: he's the only Most women don't want any part of this.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's a couple of different I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously there's a lot of different kinds of women, but
Speaker 4: at a pool party, there's a couple different kinds of women,
Speaker 4: right there is the kind that comes dressed to the
Speaker 4: nines and wearing a gorgeous white bikini and high heels
Speaker 4: with her hair flat ironed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's the girl.
Speaker 2: Like me who's in the pool and like playing, but
Speaker 2: you're you're already in the pool. That's different, the pushing
Speaker 2: and the splash, like you can tell if she's wet already.
Speaker 1: Right, splash away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's playing the volleyball in the pool whatever.
Speaker 1: But if she's just sitting on the unicorn float.
Speaker 3: With her drink and her phone and her phone.
Speaker 1: Don't mess with that.
Speaker 2: Like there's you know, you could be even a really
Speaker 2: cool girl, but the chlorine is not good for the hair,
Speaker 2: and you've got to respect that well.
Speaker 4: And especially if you're African American and you've had your
Speaker 4: hair done, you do not want to be getting it
Speaker 4: wet with you, Betsy, We are on your side this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I asked somebody the day, when was the last time
Speaker 2: that their head was underwater? Decades? Yeah, decades. It's just
Speaker 2: like it's just not happening. So guys, don't do that.
Speaker 2: That is that's a bad Betsy.
Speaker 1: You are right on this.
Speaker 2: I'm on your side. Okay, this is from I'll say
Speaker 2: the name of the animal. Do you know, the way
Speaker 2: we would go away on spring break and meet someone
Speaker 2: and just have fun for five days, and we would
Speaker 2: promise to visit each other's colleges but never do so,
Speaker 2: and it would just end it, and it was all fine,
Speaker 2: why can't we just be open about having a summer fling?
Speaker 2: This is what I want, This is how long I wanted,
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. You are who
Speaker 2: I want to do it with, Memorial Day to Labor Day,
Speaker 2: done and done. Who wouldn't be up for that? And
Speaker 2: that's from Kenneth on the Prowl And I think that
Speaker 2: was the plot line de Grease. I think that's what
Speaker 2: Danny and Sandy did.
Speaker 3: You what it reminds me of sports seasons?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a seasonal industry, brilliant.
Speaker 3: Like the seasons that are are the sports that are.
Speaker 4: So hard when your parent you have kids, are things
Speaker 4: like taekwondo because there's no end in sight.
Speaker 3: You just do it forever.
Speaker 4: Right, So it's like, well, I think I like taekwondo
Speaker 4: when you sign up and then it just keeps charging
Speaker 4: your credit card.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whereas you play soccer and it's just one season
Speaker 3: or not. He's talking about season.
Speaker 1: That's what's talking about.
Speaker 2: He wants a different type of mindset going into the
Speaker 2: That's true. On spring break, you'd go and you'd like
Speaker 2: fall in lover three days, and then she'd go back
Speaker 2: to Michigan State and you'd go back to Georgia Tech
Speaker 2: and like, oh, I'll call you, and you never do,
Speaker 2: and it's fine.
Speaker 1: Everybody moves on and there's different seasonal dating.
Speaker 2: Like you know, everybody talks about the cuffing thing in
Speaker 2: the in the in the winter time, but in places
Speaker 2: like Milwaukee and Chicago and Cleveland where rooftop drinking culture,
Speaker 2: it is just a different set of activities which leads
Speaker 2: to a different mindset where it should be a little
Speaker 2: more casual because you are.
Speaker 1: Just kind of run around having fun or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you go into that and
Speaker 2: been like, listen, I'm looking for a summer girlfriend. Because
Speaker 2: here's my attitude on this. And I've said this before
Speaker 2: on all this. Anytime somebody says I'm just looking for
Speaker 2: fun or something short term, I think you're kidding yourself
Speaker 2: because you're still hoping it works out. You're still hoping.
Speaker 2: You're saying that to emotionally protect yourself. This is all
Speaker 2: this is, and I won't there's no way by the
Speaker 2: fourth of July. If you really like this girl that
Speaker 2: you're hoping, oh my god, only got six weeks left,
Speaker 2: you're opening like her forever.
Speaker 3: It's just a longer audition.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So. I think you're protecting yourself by saying, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're gonna try this for three months and see where
Speaker 2: it goes and whatever, and not set anybody up for that.
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna do that, Kenneth on the prow, uh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to put up with her oyster eating
Speaker 2: and fishing and whatever she wants to do. Like, you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to be real if you're gonna keep it
Speaker 2: loose and casual, you're just gonna have to roll with
Speaker 2: everything and go with it. If you're gonna do that, though,
Speaker 2: why would you do that with one person? Why wouln't
Speaker 2: you just hook up with a bunch of people for
Speaker 2: three months?
Speaker 4: Well, I think that there's some value there, right, Like
Speaker 4: it's kind of fun like being and maybe it's just
Speaker 4: like going back to the efficiency thing, like it's just easier,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: You one person summer flame and it is fun like
Speaker 2: when you're doing that.
Speaker 3: Like there is the whole honeymoon phase, right.
Speaker 2: It is you're only getting a honeymoon and you just
Speaker 2: go hard for ninety days and like we're just gonna
Speaker 2: have the best time. We're gonna go on all concerts, Andre,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do this and we're gonna Yeah, there's something.
Speaker 1: To be said for that.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna get stale.
Speaker 2: I know that, me and you, let's dive in and
Speaker 2: go there, and yeah, I don't necessarily even mind the mindset.
Speaker 1: I think there are people who would be up for that.
Speaker 2: I think if you put that on a dating profile
Speaker 2: and you're like, who's up for the best summer of
Speaker 2: our lives? I think there's like a romantic aspect to
Speaker 2: that where it doesn't seem just like a sex thing or.
Speaker 4: Here's what he does is he just goes and gets
Speaker 4: like a summer internship in a different city. So then
Speaker 4: there's just like a really clear beginning to end. I'm
Speaker 4: only here for three months.
Speaker 1: I don't know how old you are, Kinff.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to be a fifty
Speaker 2: two year old intern, but yeah, you put yourself in
Speaker 2: a position.
Speaker 1: Where you're just like I'm only here for three months?
Speaker 1: Where was Sandy and where was Danny? That they only
Speaker 1: did they? Was she and Austin? Where were they?
Speaker 4: She came from Australia, right, so she was an exchange
Speaker 4: student from Australia and they were Where were they?
Speaker 1: Right out?
Speaker 2: High was like probably somewhere in the Midwest. It's Venice
Speaker 2: High School.
Speaker 4: In real life they were at the beach. Remember they
Speaker 4: were at the beach beach? I think were they in
Speaker 4: southern California?
Speaker 2: Well, that's where they shot it, So the play is
Speaker 2: different from the movie. We get skewed a little bit
Speaker 2: about that. But where were they? That they met for
Speaker 2: a summer and then they didn't make plans and then
Speaker 2: they happen She got transferred in.
Speaker 4: She was supposed to be going back to Australia. Okay,
Speaker 4: so it was supposed to just be a summer fling.
Speaker 4: She was supposed to be going back to Australia and
Speaker 4: instead they ended up staying because their dad's job continued.
Speaker 4: So then she started at Rydel High.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of thoughts about Grease, which I've
Speaker 2: gotten into on this podcast.
Speaker 3: And yet you know so little.
Speaker 1: He's a total deck.
Speaker 2: The whole time, like you know, it leaves her for cha,
Speaker 2: Cha grabs her boob at the drive in. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on, like Danny's not cool, but
Speaker 2: the whole or she didn't say, hey, where do you
Speaker 2: go to high school? And so then when she's there,
Speaker 2: like where do you live? She doesn't contact him.
Speaker 3: I think you're blaming the victim here? Should you having
Speaker 3: a great summer?
Speaker 2: Oh and she didn't find out about like she just
Speaker 2: happened to end up in his high school.
Speaker 1: She didn't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe she was Kenneth on the prowliness.
Speaker 1: I think she was. I think she was looking for
Speaker 1: the flank.
Speaker 3: We just made that a her.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm like pro Danny. All right, pink ladies
Speaker 2: and tea birds out there.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: That was a pretty good crazy. But you guys are
Speaker 2: nuts out there. It's amazing we ever get together. All right,
Speaker 2: this you did very good. You're very reasonable. I appreciate this.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad to get chuck me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us about your podcast, and then we are
Speaker 2: going to play. As you were forewarned, worst date or
Speaker 2: first date. You're gonna give us either the greatest first
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Speaker 2: you do that, tell us about Sports Will Save Us All.
Speaker 4: My podcast is called Sports Will Save Us All. It
Speaker 4: is available wherever you listen to podcasts, and it's really
Speaker 4: about the unifying power of sports. So whether it is
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Speaker 2: Isn't dating the ultimate support? Isn't love the ultimate support?
Speaker 2: It's certainly competitive.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of parallels, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a reason why there's so many sports
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Speaker 2: Right, being your best dating shape that will help stamina.
Speaker 3: Sports.
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Speaker 1: All Right, worst date or first date?
Speaker 4: I'm going to give you both, because that's the type
Speaker 4: of person I am. My best first date was with
Speaker 4: my husband, not not surprisingly. We got back to my
Speaker 4: house and I had been on so many bad dates
Speaker 4: that I just decided on the way back. I was like,
Speaker 4: he can either kiss me or ask me again. And
Speaker 4: so I then just sat there in his car and
Speaker 4: he was like, I had a really good time, and
Speaker 4: it was like, yeah, I did too.
Speaker 3: Then I just sat there.
Speaker 1: I just waited.
Speaker 2: You know the good thing about that story, you were
Speaker 2: in his car. We don't get to pick you guys
Speaker 2: up anymore. And that leads to those moments are gone
Speaker 2: if you're in your uber.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta let us pick you up.
Speaker 3: So eventually he said he had really like to see
Speaker 3: you again. It was like.
Speaker 4: Awesome, great, waved and I jumped out of the car
Speaker 4: and I went in and called my sister. My worst
Speaker 4: state was long before that, well not long enough before that.
Speaker 3: But so I lived in La. You've lived in La.
Speaker 4: I worked for a movie studio, which meant that I
Speaker 4: attracted all of these people who.
Speaker 3: Wanted to be in movies and in one way or another.
Speaker 4: So I was at the Dresden one night, of all places,
Speaker 4: and they were doing open mic night, and this guy
Speaker 4: got up there and he was a crooner and he
Speaker 4: had the Frank Sinatra hat and the whole thing. It
Speaker 4: should have like warned me but it didn't. I was
Speaker 4: very into it. He asked me out. His name was Patrick.
Speaker 4: I do not sing. I told him I do not sing,
Speaker 4: So he took me to a singing restaurant where everybody
Speaker 4: is expected to sing. Was not my time to shine,
Speaker 4: so already I was pretty uncomfortable. We got back to
Speaker 4: my house and he got his reel out of his
Speaker 4: trunk and wanted to show it to me.
Speaker 3: Of course, so we went into my house.
Speaker 4: He puts the reel in, I go to the bathroom,
Speaker 4: and when I came back, he's sitting on the couch,
Speaker 4: his reel is playing on my TV, and he has
Speaker 4: his shirt off. I mean, I understand there had been
Speaker 4: nothing up to this point that would have led him
Speaker 4: to believe that I would have wanted him to have
Speaker 4: his shirt off.
Speaker 3: And I am not about body.
Speaker 4: Shaming or hair shaming, but this was literally the hairriest
Speaker 4: Tuman I have ever seen. So the fact that he
Speaker 4: was leading with taking his shirt off with no invitation
Speaker 4: to do so, in completely a room as bright as
Speaker 4: this one, I was both later impressed, you know, like ballsy,
Speaker 4: I mean incredibly, But it was this, he thinks.
Speaker 2: The real and the shirtless combo platter was going to.
Speaker 1: Do it for you.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's all I can imagine.
Speaker 4: But I think that was one of the very rare
Speaker 4: times that I did go to somebody because I didn't
Speaker 4: even know what to say to him.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the reel? I thought him out of there? Okay,
Speaker 1: yeah that is what was? What are you're doing?
Speaker 4: I go by myself, and it was a little bit
Speaker 4: disconcerting to have this stream suddenly just.
Speaker 3: Robing to my house. Good.
Speaker 2: You know, it's worse the reel or the shirtless Yeah,
Speaker 2: very strange. It could have been the pants. It could
Speaker 2: have been worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. You were awesome.
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