Speaker 1: Ready, get ready for the chilling effect. And now and
Speaker 1: now most of must iterated voice in all media, the
Speaker 1: alternatives alternative Chuck O'Kelly.
Speaker 2: Good evening, It is December eighth, according to that thing
Speaker 2: we call a calendar, twenty fifteen, and we are live
Speaker 2: on the Ocelli Effect tonight. You know, my guest this
Speaker 2: evening is actually somebody that I've wanted to talk to
Speaker 2: for quite a bit, for various reasons. Roger Stone. Yes,
Speaker 2: he wrote a book that, well, the most recent book.
Speaker 2: He's actually written several books. But he's a political insider,
Speaker 2: a guy who's fairly fascinating if you check the gop
Speaker 2: roster over the years, this guy worked for everybody from
Speaker 2: Nixon to Regan, yeah, right on into the Donald Trump land.
Speaker 2: But his most recent book, actually, which I just got yesterday,
Speaker 2: is The Clinton's War on Women, right Roger Stone, and
Speaker 2: also co authored by Robert Moral, which makes it quite
Speaker 2: fascinating of course. Uh, you know, but he has not
Speaker 2: quite joined me just yet, So I'm going to continue
Speaker 2: to talk about this, uh and see where it goes.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he'll be on the skype rather shortly, mister Stone.
Speaker 2: You might have seen him on a CNN and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff recently, you know, commenting about a
Speaker 2: lot of different things that relate to the GOP campaign.
Speaker 2: There he is, mister Stone, we don't actually need the video.
Speaker 2: That's okay.
Speaker 3: We're no, they're lighting testing it because are we look
Speaker 3: terrible on a bunch of shows today. So it's fine, okay.
Speaker 2: So how are you doing tonight?
Speaker 3: Great? Excellent, very very cool.
Speaker 2: You know, I found this book extremely fascinating. I've really
Speaker 2: only gotten a chance to go through it on I see,
Speaker 2: I read books about three times because I'm just that
Speaker 2: kind of guy. I have to go through a book
Speaker 2: one time to get my initial impression, then I go
Speaker 2: through it once again, examining each and every individual nugget
Speaker 2: of information. And then the third time I actually read
Speaker 2: the book. You know, that's the.
Speaker 3: Kind of you know, I think the book stands on
Speaker 3: its own, very well sourced and very well footnoted. I mean,
Speaker 3: I spent forty years in American politics. I know a
Speaker 3: lot of things.
Speaker 2: You know. I was talking about that just before you
Speaker 2: joined me, and really I can't do justice to the
Speaker 2: type of career that you've had. Now I'm going to
Speaker 2: just tell you something right away. I am not somebody
Speaker 2: who is a GOP guy. I'm not somebody I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you. The last time that I cast a
Speaker 2: vote for president, it was for one of the people
Speaker 2: on the cover of this book right now. Of course,
Speaker 2: I was younger, I was much more foolish and had
Speaker 2: no idea what I was doing, quite honestly. But the
Speaker 2: fact is, I've found no use for either side of
Speaker 2: the you know, two party system.
Speaker 3: But this time in the set, we're basically in the
Speaker 3: same place I just got. I got there by it
Speaker 3: being a Republican and now I'm disgusted because both parties
Speaker 3: had become one part the Wall Street Party, Special Interest Party,
Speaker 3: the Endless War Party, the Erosion of Civil Liberties Party.
Speaker 3: So I'm kind of down on both parties, having been
Speaker 3: a forty year product of the system. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, and see, that's the thing is I actually wanted
Speaker 2: to defend you for a moment because a couple of people,
Speaker 2: when they heard I was going to have you on
Speaker 2: the show, they said, you know, this guy has nothing
Speaker 2: but somebody who supports GOP people, and this is, you know,
Speaker 2: yet again, another one of these hatchet jobs going against
Speaker 2: the Clintons. But I got to tell you something, being
Speaker 2: someone who tries to examine things from a neutral perspective,
Speaker 2: someone who comes at these candidates, these individuals who hold
Speaker 2: these offices in what I feel is an objective manner. Really, honestly,
Speaker 2: you did a hell of a job in this book
Speaker 2: laying it out in a way that I've never seen
Speaker 2: anybody go after it when it comes to the Clintons,
Speaker 2: And I'm really, really quite impressed. I've never seen anybody
Speaker 2: do this. I mean, not even for parties and politics purpose.
Speaker 3: As you know, this has a it has a theme
Speaker 3: to it, and the theme is hypocrisy. What Hillary central claim.
Speaker 3: Her narrative that I am an advocate for women and
Speaker 3: girls is farcical. She hasn't been an abuser of women
Speaker 3: in the sense that she has psychologically terrorized Bill's various
Speaker 3: sexual assault victims, and her husband, quite sadly, is a
Speaker 3: Bill Cosby style sexual predator. I'm not talking about consensual sex, girlfriends, mistresses,
Speaker 3: one night stands, conquests. I'm not talking about any of that.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about something far darker, rape, sexual assault, brutal,
Speaker 3: vicious and repeatedly, and I name names. I interviewed twenty
Speaker 3: four women I took the literature by a number of
Speaker 3: incredible authors. There have been over sixty biographies of Bill
Speaker 3: and Hillary Clinton, but very few have cobbled it all together.
Speaker 3: This isn't a moral hypocritical couple, whether it's whether it's
Speaker 3: being an advocate for women and girls, whether it is
Speaker 3: being an advocate for children, when she is, in fact
Speaker 3: the person who ordered the all out terror assault, snipers, vehicles,
Speaker 3: loud music, the whole assault that killed eighteen children under
Speaker 3: the age of eight in Waco, her hand picked attorney general,
Speaker 3: her hand picked deputy, and former lover Web Hubble, the
Speaker 3: assistant Attorney General who runs the operation. Both Senator Arlen Specter,
Speaker 3: who chaired the Senate hearings on Waco, and T. March Bell,
Speaker 3: the chief investigator for the House committee that investigated Waco,
Speaker 3: said there was evidence that co President Hillary Clinton gave
Speaker 3: the final order. Not an advocate for children, No, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: And even you know those that would say, well, gee,
Speaker 2: you're picking on Hillary. No, it's not just her. In
Speaker 2: this book I've actually seen for the first time because
Speaker 2: I've always heard rumors about, you know, Bill Clinton's personal
Speaker 2: dealings when it came to children and being a children's advocate.
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people point out that there
Speaker 2: was sort of a change in the child's support system
Speaker 2: during the Clinton regime and all of that, But then again, hey,
Speaker 2: the same as hypocrisy here. What do you you know?
Speaker 2: I don't know what you want to tell people. I
Speaker 2: don't know if this is one of the key selling
Speaker 2: points of the book, but I think one of.
Speaker 3: The key points here is that Hillary tells us black
Speaker 3: lives matter, but the Clintons will not acknowledge Bill's abandoned, rejected,
Speaker 3: mixed race son, Danny Williams. Danny Williams a fine young man.
Speaker 3: He's thirty years old this week. There's a big party
Speaker 3: for him this Friday. He is the son of Bobby
Speaker 3: Ann Williams, a cocaine addicted prostitute, and William Jefferson Clinton.
Speaker 3: And when his mother and his aunt, Lucille Bolton took
Speaker 3: him to the Governor's mansion to appeal to Hillary that
Speaker 3: they acknowledge and support their own they were turned away
Speaker 3: by state troopers, and Hillary sent a messenger the next
Speaker 3: day saying that that she could get them a lawyer
Speaker 3: who would a private investigator who could intimidate reporters who
Speaker 3: are asking too many questions. That's the message she sends.
Speaker 3: They have never acknowledged loved supported Danny Williams. Danny is
Speaker 3: a fine young man. He has five children of his own.
Speaker 3: He's a churchgoer, He's put himself through college and he's
Speaker 3: in his last year. He has a small business. He
Speaker 3: struggles financially. Meanwhile, his father, Bill Clinton, is worth best
Speaker 3: estimates one hundred million dollars thirty five million that he
Speaker 3: made last year alone in the influence pedaling build business right.
Speaker 2: The Clinton Foundation or whatever they call it, This.
Speaker 3: Foundation is not a charity. It's a slush fund for grifters.
Speaker 3: It's a luxury travel service for Bill Hillary and Chelsea
Speaker 3: five star hotels and suites, exquisite private jets, the finest
Speaker 3: food money can buy, and salaries for a phalanx of flunkies,
Speaker 3: political operatives, hangers on that serve in Hillary worlds. And
Speaker 3: the charitable work is negligible and it's infected with corruption
Speaker 3: side dealing because in all honesty, and I think you
Speaker 3: know this, the main purpose for the Clinton Foundation is
Speaker 3: as a vehicle for the facilitation of multimillion dollar bribes.
Speaker 3: And this is all carefully documented, not only in my book,
Speaker 3: but in Peter Schweitzer's fine book Clinton Cash, a lot
Speaker 3: has transpired. We know a lot of things about that.
Speaker 3: The federal filings of the Clinton Foundation are missing information,
Speaker 3: They're fraudulent, they have to be restated. The irs would
Speaker 3: have closed any other charity down who is guilty of
Speaker 3: of these kinds of gross errors. There's a whole other
Speaker 3: scandal waiting to happen on top of what we already know.
Speaker 2: Well, right, I mean, and it just seems as though,
Speaker 2: you know, this guy has been like the teflon political
Speaker 2: figure throughout his career in Hillary as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm amazed when examining before I read your book, I mean,
Speaker 2: just examining these bits and pieces that have been spotlighted
Speaker 2: in certain people's work before you know that there were
Speaker 2: no major lawsuits. Nobody went after these people because they
Speaker 2: seemed to be telling the truth.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, and this is not out of
Speaker 3: the mainstream. It was NBC who found Juanita Broadbrick, who
Speaker 3: filmed her incredible twenty twenty interview, which you can still
Speaker 3: see on YouTube. Was a brilliant journalist, Lisa Myers. I
Speaker 3: know that Lisa was frustrated because she found and chasing
Speaker 3: filmed this story, and then it sat there at NBC
Speaker 3: for months and they refused to run it. They ran
Speaker 3: it only after the impeachment vote. The work of Mike
Speaker 3: Izakov with Newsweek, previously with Newsday, now with NBC, where
Speaker 3: he had traced the violation of Liz Ward Grayson, a
Speaker 3: former Miss Arkansas, a Miss America who tells her roommate
Speaker 3: that she was raped by Bill Clinton and tells others
Speaker 3: she was raped by Bill Clinton until Harry Thomason, a
Speaker 3: big Hollywood agent friend of Bill's, gets her a bit
Speaker 3: part in a TV show. Now, she says the sex
Speaker 3: was rough and unpleasurable, but that the but the sex
Speaker 3: with Bill Clinton was consensual. Her roommate Stokes, testified three
Speaker 3: times under oath that that's not what Liz Ward Grayson
Speaker 3: had told her in the beginning. So it's a very tangled,
Speaker 3: you know, tale here, But each one of these women is.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting is that talking to twenty four women,
Speaker 3: many of whom never spoke to each other, they all
Speaker 3: described the exact same horrific scene, Bill Clinton turning beat red,
Speaker 3: sweating his temples, and the veins in his neck sticking
Speaker 3: out breathing heavily, what some women have called his rape mode.
Speaker 3: It's it's terrifying. Just the other day, Hillary said that
Speaker 3: women who were on college campuses were involved in sexual
Speaker 3: assault deserve to be believed, and when asked, not by
Speaker 3: the media who are the ones who should be asking
Speaker 3: the question, but by a voter in New Hampshire, woman said, well,
Speaker 3: what about Winnie to Broaderick, what about Kathleen Willie, what
Speaker 3: about Paula Corbin Jones? Don't they deserve to be believed?
Speaker 3: And Hillary's response was, well, they deserve to be believed
Speaker 3: until evidence shows otherwise. What evidence is she referring to?
Speaker 3: There is not an iota of evidence that any of
Speaker 3: the women who've made these allegations have been debunked or disproved,
Speaker 3: or that any evidence brings into question their account of
Speaker 3: their assault. Three women individually say that they had their
Speaker 3: upper lift bit almost through. How could you invent such
Speaker 3: a thing? So the idea that this is, you know,
Speaker 3: this is trailer trash being paid by the tabloids to
Speaker 3: make up things, which was their standard defense. By the way,
Speaker 3: when this stuff for serviced in the nineties. Oh that's
Speaker 3: not just that. Jerry Folwell stuff because Folwell had financed
Speaker 3: some of the early investigations into the sexploits and drugs
Speaker 3: and greed of Bill and Hillary Clinton. And let's just say.
Speaker 2: This, I mean, and you did bring it all together
Speaker 2: in this book. Again, I say it. It's been one
Speaker 2: of those things that we did hear about since the
Speaker 2: time he was running for the potus, you know, the
Speaker 2: first time these allegations started coming out. I mean, I
Speaker 2: have noted on this show that I found it amazing
Speaker 2: that this guy was losing in the primaries.
Speaker 3: And here's one of the very interesting things, which is
Speaker 3: is that I happen to know that George Bush is
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two re election. The campaign the one he
Speaker 3: lost to Bill Clinton, had all of this information that's
Speaker 3: in my book, and they had it well organized and documented.
Speaker 3: In fact, one of the things I tell you is
Speaker 3: that Lee Atwater, my former partner, Republican National chairman, Bush
Speaker 3: campaign manager, saw Bill Clinton as a southern white Democrat
Speaker 3: who could bring back blue collar and white Democrats in
Speaker 3: the South and West, and knew immediately he was a
Speaker 3: danger to George w at George hw and he was right,
Speaker 3: and this information was ascertained. But then Bush George H. W.
Speaker 3: Bush Poppy number forty one. He decided that he could
Speaker 3: defeat Clinton without this, without quote unquote getting dirty, and
Speaker 3: it cost him reelection.
Speaker 2: In all honesty, well, that was definitely part of it.
Speaker 2: And the fact is that it seemed to me like, now,
Speaker 2: I don't know that this might be my strangeness of memory,
Speaker 2: but originally they were looking for a Southern candidate who
Speaker 2: could be sold as like the middle of the road
Speaker 2: guy who was you know, progressive, et cetera and all that.
Speaker 2: And it seemed as though originally they were going to
Speaker 2: try and sell us out Gore right, And I don't
Speaker 2: know what happened here, because all of a sudden, like
Speaker 2: I said, this guy is losing in the primaries. He
Speaker 2: seemed as though he was about ready to drop off
Speaker 2: of the campaign trail. Some of these things started to
Speaker 2: come out even the early days of you know, the
Speaker 2: Russia Limbaugh Show started talking about the spectators.
Speaker 3: Here's one of the interesting things. The pivotal moment there
Speaker 3: is when Bill Clinton goes on sixty minutes. Don Hewitt
Speaker 3: gives it a very very sympathetic edit in Youwitt, who's
Speaker 3: now deceased. In his memoirs, He basically said, yeah, I
Speaker 3: made it a TV commercial for Clinton. I cleaned it up.
Speaker 3: I made it as sympathetic as possible. That's not his job.
Speaker 3: This is supposed to be a news program. Secondarily, though,
Speaker 3: and here's the problem. Bill says in that interview that
Speaker 3: he was only with his mistress, his twelve year mistress,
Speaker 3: Jennifer Flowers one time. See that had leaked just ahead
Speaker 3: of the New Hampshire primary. Clinton's on the ropes over it.
Speaker 3: He's on the verge of being knocked out of the race.
Speaker 3: He does his stunning interview. Now, unfortunately, there's a man
Speaker 3: who lives across the street, across the hall pardon me
Speaker 3: from Flowers mad named Gary Johnson, who's an attorney. Johnson
Speaker 3: has a security camera set up, not because he's trying
Speaker 3: to catch Bill Clinton, but because his car has been
Speaker 3: repeatedly vandalized and he's trying to figure out who's vandalizing
Speaker 3: his car. But what he catches is not car criminals,
Speaker 3: but instead Bill Clinton coming and going many many times.
Speaker 3: That's on video. One night, three Arkansas State troopers show
Speaker 3: up at his home and they beat him so badly
Speaker 3: they leave him for dead, dislocating both of his shoulders,
Speaker 3: his arms, crushing his face in his nasal passages, lacerating
Speaker 3: his kidney, his spleen, and his liver. Johnson lives. Neighbors
Speaker 3: were quoted as saying they could hear men yelling where
Speaker 3: are the effing videos? Where are the video? This is
Speaker 3: the kind of criminal tampering and physical violence against witnesses,
Speaker 3: strong arm tactics that the Clintons were willing to resort
Speaker 3: to and scramble for power.
Speaker 2: See now, And if you read Clinton's biography, which I did,
Speaker 2: you know, you listen to the way he describes handling
Speaker 2: law enforcement and how you know, people have made much
Speaker 2: ado about nothing regarding the way the Arkansas State troopers
Speaker 2: were handled. And he points to the whole situation with
Speaker 2: his brother Roger. Right now, we all know this story.
Speaker 2: I mean, anybody who's ever paid attention to this stuff
Speaker 2: knows that, you know, Roger Clinton had gotten caught for
Speaker 2: cocaine and all this other stuff, right, But he portrays
Speaker 2: it as you know, listen, I took a hands off approach,
Speaker 2: go ahead and arrest my brother. And that's that, you know.
Speaker 3: So he just didn't address it. First of all, he
Speaker 3: can't say too much because of course, he is his
Speaker 3: brother's partner in crime, and they've spent many time, much
Speaker 3: time snorting cocaine with underage girls when he was Attorney
Speaker 3: General and probably when he was governor. So his predilection
Speaker 3: for underage girls, which may or may not be present
Speaker 3: in the Epstein scandal, we don't know that yet. There
Speaker 3: is a pending lawsuit. But we do know that Bill
Speaker 3: was paling around with a convicted sex criminal with a
Speaker 3: propensity for underage girls, who the Palm Beach Police found
Speaker 3: had violated thirty three underage girls. And that is well
Speaker 3: covered in the book. But things ultimately would take a
Speaker 3: giant campaign contribution or I pardon me, a foundation contribution
Speaker 3: from this fellow never returned it Epstein. And then additionally,
Speaker 3: Epstein arranges for Bill Clinton to fly on Epstein's plane,
Speaker 3: the sex criminals plane, to meet the Sultan of Brunei
Speaker 3: in Brunei to pick off a two point five million
Speaker 3: dollar check for the Clinton Library. The Sultan is, of
Speaker 3: course a known pedophile who keeps an underage female and
Speaker 3: male harem.
Speaker 2: Yeh see. I didn't know how much in depth you
Speaker 2: wanted to go on all these subjects, you know, on
Speaker 2: this interview tonight because we didn't script this.
Speaker 3: Or plan this.
Speaker 2: I'm not using the bullet points.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you some of the highlights of
Speaker 3: the book that people just their jaws drop when you
Speaker 3: have these things, well, exactly when you and and I'm
Speaker 3: telling you people, when you put all this stuff together
Speaker 3: the way that Roger has here, it is just really
Speaker 3: it's it's beyond shocking.
Speaker 2: And I view almost all of these guys in the
Speaker 2: upp Retelan as criminals. But really, when you, when you
Speaker 2: put this stuff together, as you said, copple it together
Speaker 2: in one place, it is an amazing indictment of the hypocrisy,
Speaker 2: which is just astounding.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, as you know, for those who say, oh,
Speaker 3: come on, Roger Stone's a Republican, he's a right winger,
Speaker 3: he's a hit man, he's a dirty trickster. My book
Speaker 3: January twenty fifth, Jeb and the Bush Crime Family, which
Speaker 3: not only covers the attempt, the current attempt to restore
Speaker 3: the House of Bush Jeb, but who's all the way
Speaker 3: back to his grandfather, Prescott Bush, who made money arming
Speaker 3: the Nazis, running a steel mill with slave labor from
Speaker 3: Auschwitz other profitable enterprises. Then there's George W. Bush, who
Speaker 3: is Vice president, really engineers ran contras, signs most of
Speaker 3: the documents moving drug money, drugs and money all around
Speaker 3: illegally finance the Nick Roguin rebels in violation of the
Speaker 3: Boling Amendment, a specific law pass prohibiting such which would
Speaker 3: end up many Bush aids indicted. Bush would lay later
Speaker 3: pardon all of them before leaving office. So we do
Speaker 3: know that Bill Clinton was the governor who worked closely
Speaker 3: with Vice President George Bush to traffic millions of dollars
Speaker 3: of cocaine through Mina, Arkansas. Barry Seal. This story is
Speaker 3: being made right now by Tom Cruise in a movie
Speaker 3: because he one of the more fascinating characters in this
Speaker 3: absolutely sordid and true story of the Bushes and the
Speaker 3: Clintons dealing in the drug business and making having the
Speaker 3: state troopers look the other way. By the way, it's
Speaker 3: interesting that the Central Intelligence Agency had tried to traffic
Speaker 3: through Louisiana and Texas, and the governors in those states
Speaker 3: and the state police would not go along because the
Speaker 3: scale of it was so obviously illegal, and that that's
Speaker 3: why they ended up in Arkansas, where they had a
Speaker 3: more appliable Governor Bill Clinton.
Speaker 2: Well, right, and I'm actually going to cover that a
Speaker 2: little more in depth on Thursday here with So Castillo
Speaker 2: was a DEA agent who actually met with hw Bush
Speaker 2: face to face, tried.
Speaker 3: To know that. Wow, I in for that. That will
Speaker 3: be an amazing interview.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and and Selly tells you a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff about the inside dirt that was going on there.
Speaker 2: But so stay tuned for that. Sorry to throw out
Speaker 2: that programming note, but you know, bottom line is that
Speaker 2: these guys are all in bed with one another when
Speaker 2: it comes to a lot of the stuff that people
Speaker 2: view as you know, the things that are eating away
Speaker 2: at the society. I mean, the scourge of heroin on
Speaker 2: the streets right now that we see is directly relatable
Speaker 2: in my estimation. Now this may not be your viewpoint,
Speaker 2: but it's directly relatable in my estimation to our incursion
Speaker 2: in Afghanistan, just like it was in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 2: and we were in you know, sixties and seventies, excuse me,
Speaker 2: when we were in Vietnam unfortunately, you know, in dealing
Speaker 2: in heroin, in dealing in heroin, and then when you
Speaker 2: look at the you know, why was there this big
Speaker 2: bump in the cocaine industry in the you know the listen.
Speaker 3: I think this is a very key point you raise,
Speaker 3: which people don't realize that Ross Perot really wasn't independent,
Speaker 3: and he really was very concerned about the plight of POW's.
Speaker 3: And he really felt strong that we'd left many men
Speaker 3: behind in Vietnam from the Vietnam conflicts. So he hired
Speaker 3: when he couldn't get any satisfaction from the federal government,
Speaker 3: he hired an army of investigators and soldiers of fortune,
Speaker 3: and they started poking around Asia. They didn't find POW's,
Speaker 3: but what they did find it was heroin, lots of it,
Speaker 3: and the government running. When they reported back to Parole
Speaker 3: what they had learned, Perou rushed to Washington to meet
Speaker 3: Vice President George Bush, who he thought was a friend
Speaker 3: of his and fellow Texan. He was certain that Bush
Speaker 3: would be shocked. This is according to Tom Lukes, who
Speaker 3: was Paro's personal attorney. So he says to he says
Speaker 3: to them that he Bush looks at Perot and his
Speaker 3: answer is a grim smile. From that point on, Ross
Speaker 3: Perot was the dedicated to the destruction of Bush. As
Speaker 3: I say in this book, Parot and Clinton were talking
Speaker 3: by phone at least once a day, according to Clinton's
Speaker 3: bodyguard L. D. Brown, and Clinton was talking to Ross
Speaker 3: about campaign strategy. This was a pincer movement that indeed
Speaker 3: it did cost George Bush Senior the presidency. The siphoning
Speaker 3: of more conservative and reform votes to Paro not only
Speaker 3: costs Bush, but it was done twice by Clinton because
Speaker 3: it also costs Bob Dole, remembering that Parau voted ran
Speaker 3: in four years. Hence, yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: And the truth is that when people try and separate
Speaker 2: these things and things that they're divided to you know,
Speaker 2: bipartisan lines, it really looks to me more like, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, the the Bush dynasty runs thusly. You have
Speaker 2: you have Bush having a you know, Bush h w
Speaker 2: having a lot of influence over the Reagan administration, uh,
Speaker 2: doing a lot of you know, being almost the action officer,
Speaker 2: the executive action officer, you know, for a lot of
Speaker 2: deep covert stuff that was going on during the Reagan administration.
Speaker 2: Then at presidency of his own when things went wrong.
Speaker 2: Because you're very right to mention, Ross Perot is going
Speaker 2: you know, as being very interested in the American POW's
Speaker 2: and Vietnam, you know, and all of that. It cost
Speaker 2: him there, But you know what, they really handed it
Speaker 2: over to what I view as a family friend of
Speaker 2: the Bush crime syndicate.
Speaker 3: Well there's that, there's no question of. But I would
Speaker 3: make I would make a couple of points that Perot
Speaker 3: is absolutely a patriot, and you're right about that. But
Speaker 3: in ninety two, I just think that this was almost
Speaker 3: an intramural. Remember, cord Meyer says in his book that
Speaker 3: after Clinton was kicked out of Oxford, where he raped
Speaker 3: a nineteen year old, he spent the entire four months
Speaker 3: before he headed off to Yale for law school working
Speaker 3: for the Central Intelligence Agency as an informant in filtrating
Speaker 3: anti Vietnam war groups. So he and George H. W. Bush,
Speaker 3: who really begins not in nineteen in the seventies when
Speaker 3: he's appointed directory, but according to documents declassified by the
Speaker 3: federal government nineteen eighty five, is working for the CIA
Speaker 3: on the Bay of Pigs mission as early as nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty one, essentially raising money from right wingers. So his
Speaker 3: involvement that they have the CIA tie together and they
Speaker 3: make money together. The Bushes aren't all that sore about
Speaker 3: losing to the Clintons. They've raked off millions for their
Speaker 3: libraries and millions for these nonprofits. The Bushes and the
Speaker 3: Clintons come together, they form a nonprofit for hurricane relief
Speaker 3: in Haiti. They raise one hundred and thirty eight million dollars,
Speaker 3: they spend ten million dollars on the ground in Haiti
Speaker 3: and housing, and they pocked the other one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty eight It's Bush. It is indeed, the Bush Clinton
Speaker 3: crime syndicate off a teering off these so called charitable activities.
Speaker 2: And always it seems capitalizing on the misery of others,
Speaker 2: you know, over and over again. That that's how I
Speaker 2: view the whole thing. Is whether it is the drug
Speaker 2: scourge which did a lot of damage, you know, domestically
Speaker 2: in this country in the in the eighties and nineties,
Speaker 2: which did a lot of damage previous to that, just
Speaker 2: like we were talking about with the connection to the
Speaker 2: Golden Triangle there in Vietnam. You know, he he's involved there,
Speaker 2: he's involved, you know. And and here's the funny thing
Speaker 2: is that Clinton basically becomes a placeholder because after that
Speaker 2: we end up with well w coming in, you know,
Speaker 2: and and I just do all this to put it
Speaker 2: in context. I do want to focus on the Clintons here,
Speaker 2: but I'm just trying to put this in context.
Speaker 3: You make a very very good point. George W. Bush
Speaker 3: says that Bill is like his brother, which means Hillary
Speaker 3: is like his sister in law. Jeb gave Hillary a
Speaker 3: medal for her for her the job she did at
Speaker 3: the State Department between Benghazi and losing control of virtually
Speaker 3: every Middle Eastern country to some anti Islamic maniac. She
Speaker 3: has no other accomplishments other than hiding her email because
Speaker 3: she wants to hide the nexus the Clinton Foundation and
Speaker 3: State Department. Look, this is the real story of the
Speaker 3: toppling of Kadafi in Libya. He was a US ally,
Speaker 3: he was feeding US intelligence, he had been pro Western
Speaker 3: for almost twenty years. A madman, yeah, probably, But the
Speaker 3: quality of living for women in Libya was the best
Speaker 3: of any country on the Northern Continent in terms of
Speaker 3: women could go to school, they could go to college,
Speaker 3: they could be educated, they could choose their own husbands,
Speaker 3: they could drive a car. They didn't have to wear
Speaker 3: a veil to go out in public. If they were raped.
Speaker 3: There was a prosecution of their rapists. These rights are
Speaker 3: all gone because Qatar gave the Clintons each a million
Speaker 3: five for quote unquote speeches, and then an additional two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty a two point five million dollars to
Speaker 3: the Clinton Foundation, which is I said earlier, is a
Speaker 3: vehicle for the facilitation of these kind of bribes. Next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to the National credit card. We're
Speaker 3: borrowing the money to pay for the bombing of Libya
Speaker 3: because the rebels can't do it without our air support.
Speaker 3: We spend a billion dollars on bombs, of course, paying
Speaker 3: interest on that money, and we topple, you know, a
Speaker 3: guy who's an ally, and what do we put into place,
Speaker 3: shari A law and Islamo fascists at the top, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and replacing Look, I'm not saying that Kadafi was
Speaker 2: a great guy, but yeah, when you look at the
Speaker 2: life of the people on the ground, they had access
Speaker 2: to healthcare, they had access to education, They were not
Speaker 2: suffering much as they are now. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: understand this, you know, it's just it's amazing. And meanwhile,
Speaker 2: when we do go in and wind up, you know,
Speaker 2: supporting the rebels and doing all this other stuff and
Speaker 2: handing out the military industrial complex goodies over there. Well,
Speaker 2: g there's other people benefiting on the back end of
Speaker 2: that as well. And I bet those same names.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: And as you may know, I wrote a book on
Speaker 3: the greatest profiteer on the Vietnam War. That would be
Speaker 3: Lyndon Baines Johnson. He and Ladybird made sixty seventy million
Speaker 3: dollars in nineteen sixty dollars on the war through their
Speaker 3: stock ownership of various defense contractors and their unsavory deals
Speaker 3: with Brown and Route right, which you know, so they
Speaker 3: got a three point five million dollar contract to dredge
Speaker 3: Cameron Bay, which didn't need dredging, right, they're kicking back
Speaker 3: to Johnson. They made the Johnson's made a fortune on
Speaker 3: the Vietnam War. This I established in my book The
Speaker 3: Man Who Killed Kennedy, The Case Against LBJ, which is
Speaker 3: a New York Times bestseller, a body of work I'm
Speaker 3: very proud of. Again, like the Clinton book, very heavily
Speaker 3: sourced and footnoted.
Speaker 2: Well. I gotta tell you, though, that when it comes
Speaker 2: to this Clinton book, this thing is a landmark to me.
Speaker 2: I mean as far as I'm concerned. It almost seems
Speaker 2: ridiculous that nobody understood that that OBJ was quite the
Speaker 2: criminal and the profits here all along. But when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Clintons, I got to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: their place in history so far has been represented as, hey,
Speaker 2: look we had this liberal, you know, kind of feel
Speaker 2: good guy very much. You know, when it comes to
Speaker 2: partisan politics, land, Hey, this was not this was not
Speaker 2: a good time for us in the US because we
Speaker 2: had a guy who wasn't strong on this and that
Speaker 2: and the third thing. But really, when you take a
Speaker 2: look at their actions and what they actually resulted in,
Speaker 2: you have very much the same kind of behavior that
Speaker 2: we've had throughout except that I've got to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, I don't see this sort of moral depravity
Speaker 2: as deep with a lot of other regimes that had
Speaker 2: gone through the you know, the White House. Who knows.
Speaker 2: You know, the book is as yet unwritten on Obama,
Speaker 2: But I am afraid to read that one, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you when it comes down to it, because
Speaker 2: you know, a great deal of these things are covered
Speaker 2: up even better nowadays. But what kills me about Clinton
Speaker 2: is that it seems to be one of the worst
Speaker 2: kept secrets ever, because these things all circulated all throughout.
Speaker 2: I mean, you brought up Jennifer Flowers, and everybody remembers her,
Speaker 2: you know, Jennifer with a G and that was the
Speaker 2: big deal there because that was his mistress and all that.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't even begin to speak to the repeated
Speaker 2: and constant practices that this man was involved in when
Speaker 2: it came to women, you know. And I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I make the joke every now and then about oh
Speaker 2: the guy could feel you know, I feel you're paid.
Speaker 2: You know, you remember that old adage coming out of
Speaker 2: his mouth.
Speaker 3: Guy, this is a guy who lures we need a
Speaker 3: broadwick to a hotel room, who throws her on the bed,
Speaker 3: bites her, rapes her twice, and then while he's putting
Speaker 3: his shorts on and he's about to slip out the door,
Speaker 3: puts on his sunglass and says, I get some ice
Speaker 3: on That lipifies you. Now, what kind of person is that?
Speaker 3: That's an animal?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, and over and over again. Like I said,
Speaker 2: it's pretty interesting that it's like the Clinton legacy. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, he changed the child support thing and meanwhile
Speaker 2: doesn't take care of his own. That young man's story. No,
Speaker 2: I mean time I've seen it laid out, by the
Speaker 2: way in your book, that's the first time I've seen
Speaker 2: it laid out that well.
Speaker 3: Oh no, Bill is a deadbeat dad. It's just crazy.
Speaker 3: In fact, he's a deadbeat granddad because he's got five grandchildren.
Speaker 3: He's never held, never nurtured, never loved. And Hillary is
Speaker 3: at a minimum their stepmother. So she lectures us it
Speaker 3: takes a village to raise a kid, and about taking
Speaker 3: care of our babies and child development. What kind of
Speaker 3: bs is this? They should stand up and do the
Speaker 3: right thing. If black lives really matter, as Hillary said,
Speaker 3: why doesn't Danny Williams life matter?
Speaker 2: Mm hm No, absolutely, And I mean putting this in
Speaker 2: context when you take a look at the fact that
Speaker 2: at this point in time, we could say that the
Speaker 2: GOP race is as yet you know, still being contested
Speaker 2: and all that. I've got my views on it. And
Speaker 2: believe me, if you hang around long enough, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get into that with you, because you have a
Speaker 2: little role in there which I want to talk about.
Speaker 2: But let's put that aside for a moment. Let's focus
Speaker 2: on Hillary.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, when you take a look at her being
Speaker 2: the the the seeming you know, air apparent to the
Speaker 2: democratic side of the equation here, uh, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: what do you what do you have to say about that?
Speaker 3: That?
Speaker 2: This that this, you know, this seems like a woman
Speaker 2: who actually belongs in prison for all the grifting.
Speaker 3: You know. Here's what I think, which is the Clinton
Speaker 3: is having died many many bullets and have had so
Speaker 3: many coast scrapes and survived so many potential scandals that
Speaker 3: were outrageous, whether it is the selling of military secrets
Speaker 3: to the Chinese through the Laau Corporation, which is an
Speaker 3: impeachable offense, or whether it is horrific rape, and they
Speaker 3: ought to just ride off into the sunset with their
Speaker 3: money and their fame and their library and their co conspirator. Grifting,
Speaker 3: greedy little daughter who at age thirty five, is worth
Speaker 3: somewhere around eighteen million, who lives in a ten point
Speaker 3: five million dollar apartment, but says in a Bubbly interview
Speaker 3: with Vogue, oh, I don't care about money. Well, her
Speaker 3: wedding was three point five million, The flowers alone were
Speaker 3: a half million, The bar tab three hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 3: more than most people pay on their wedding for sure.
Speaker 3: No wonder that they don't care. She doesn't care about money,
Speaker 3: and most of this is rakeoff from the Clinton Foundation.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't matter when you're continuously getting,
Speaker 2: you know, the infusion of this crooked cash coming into
Speaker 2: the family. You can just blow at any which way
Speaker 2: you want. Three hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: So General Electric has a contract on Hillary's desk, multimillion
Speaker 3: dollar defense contract they own NBC. NBC hires Chelsea for
Speaker 3: six hundred thousand dollars. That's more than a half million
Speaker 3: dollars for which I think she gives one interview and bingo,
Speaker 3: General Electric gets their contract approved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, big surprise there. And you know what, we didn't
Speaker 2: even start to talk about Chelsea here during this discussion.
Speaker 2: Another one. This is a weird story because now this
Speaker 2: is the first time I saw this. It's probably just
Speaker 2: because I'm not aware, but you actually have some photographs
Speaker 2: a year and some other things talking about the possibility that, well,
Speaker 2: she looks a little bit different in some photographs than
Speaker 2: she does in others. I don't know how deep you
Speaker 2: want to go into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, no, let's talk about it. Here's the point,
Speaker 3: which is there's some very dark revelations here about hill
Speaker 3: of Chelsea Clinton, and people say to me, wait a minute, Stone,
Speaker 3: why are you picking on a little girl? Why are
Speaker 3: you picking on a child? Why you know it's not
Speaker 3: her fault what her parents did. Let's be very clear.
Speaker 3: She's a thirty five year old adult. She's legally responsible
Speaker 3: because she's the papers. As a trustee at the Clinton Foundation,
Speaker 3: she and her husband have made millions of dollars in
Speaker 3: the family grifting enterprise. She is, according to The New
Speaker 3: York Post, short tempered, very dirty mouthed, foul mouthed, abusive, entitled, dictatorial,
Speaker 3: and difficult to deal with. There's been a huge turnover
Speaker 3: of staff at the Clinton Foundation, where she runs the
Speaker 3: day to day operations, because anyone who suggests, but maybe
Speaker 3: they should spend more of the money on actual charitable
Speaker 3: activities has a tendency to get fired. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's just the beginning of it. Look,
Speaker 2: if the charge was levied at you in the nineteen nineties,
Speaker 2: why are you picking on Chelsea Clinton? I would have
Speaker 2: agreed with them.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to hunt here is that the family
Speaker 3: is dysfunctional, that their whole thing is a sham. They
Speaker 3: trot Chelsea out in ninety two at the time Jennifer
Speaker 3: Flowers break. So they're parading her on TV. But she's
Speaker 3: not Bill's daughter. She is the daughter of Webster Bubble,
Speaker 3: who was who was Bill Clinton's apartment, Hillary Clinton's law partner.
Speaker 3: She joined the firm. The girl is a dead ringer
Speaker 3: for her father, despite three plastic surgeries. Now there are
Speaker 3: many many people in Arkansas who know that this is
Speaker 3: a fact. Three weeks ago after this book was published,
Speaker 3: Chelsea Clinton appeared at a book signing in Austin, Texas,
Speaker 3: where my co author Robert Morrow asked her in a
Speaker 3: polite tone, whether her mother ever told her she was
Speaker 3: the daughter of Webster Hubble. She looked up without missing
Speaker 3: a beat. You need to see this video because she
Speaker 3: looks exactly like Webster Hubble. In fact, I froze a
Speaker 3: copy of Webster Hubble's picture next to hers online so
Speaker 3: you can see for yourself. And she said, and I quote,
Speaker 3: I'm proud to be the daughter of my parents. That's
Speaker 3: a non answer.
Speaker 2: Waiting for the rest of it, mister Stone, I was like, wait,
Speaker 2: where's the rest of the answer.
Speaker 3: Two days later, Webster Hubble reached in his Arkansas office.
Speaker 3: Remember he went to prison as a corrupt member of
Speaker 3: the Clinton administration. He is reached in his Arkansas office
Speaker 3: and asked by reporter World Net Daily, are you Chelsea
Speaker 3: Clinton's father? And he says, no comment, and he hangs up. Now,
Speaker 3: I've been in American politics a long time, and Hubble
Speaker 3: and Chelsea are operators. They both know that the hard
Speaker 3: denial is the way you'd handle this, unless, of course,
Speaker 3: you were concerned that somewhere someone had the DNA evidence
Speaker 3: to prove this link. The photos which I published in
Speaker 3: the book in color, tell the story itself. There are
Speaker 3: despite numerous plastic surgeries, and we have before and after pictures,
Speaker 3: and I think Chelsea's had as many as four facial
Speaker 3: plastic surgeries to try to change her appearance. The rubbery
Speaker 3: lip lower lip of her father just doesn't disappear well.
Speaker 2: Right. I was speaking of other law partners and people
Speaker 2: that worked with Hillary or who might refer to quite
Speaker 2: often as Hillary jokingly on this show. You know, remember
Speaker 2: the Vince Foster thing.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I think this is an example of my
Speaker 3: fairness to the Clintons. In this book. I have looked
Speaker 3: at this exhaustively, and I must tell you the Clintons
Speaker 3: did not murder Vince Foster. Hillary Clinton drove Vince to suicide.
Speaker 3: He died of his own hand, but then Hillary ordered
Speaker 3: his body moved out of the Eastern Executive Office Building,
Speaker 3: the old Executive Office Building, out to Fort Marcy Park
Speaker 3: and dumped poor Patrick Knowlton. This guy's just a regular citizen.
Speaker 3: Happens to drive by it the long time and sees
Speaker 3: a brown automobile with Arkansas tags from the two Hillary
Speaker 3: flunkies who I name in the book as dumping the body.
Speaker 3: How do we know the body was dump Well, the
Speaker 3: FBI report shows that although Foster's body was found thirty
Speaker 3: yards down a muddy trail, it had rained that very morning,
Speaker 3: there was no mud or dirt on his shoes.
Speaker 2: Well, right, And that's the thing is, you have a
Speaker 2: strange situation here. And that's why I brought up Vince Foster,
Speaker 2: because everybody has always you know, hearkened to that as
Speaker 2: the example of you know them, you know, being participating
Speaker 2: in somebody's death and this and that.
Speaker 3: I don't think they killed it, but they do orchestrate
Speaker 3: the cover up. And here's why Hillary admits in her
Speaker 3: own book, hard choices, which ought to be in the
Speaker 3: fiction section of the bookstore. But she admits in her
Speaker 3: own book that her immediate concern was that Foster's office
Speaker 3: would become a crime scene, and she was relieved to
Speaker 3: hear that he hadn't been killed there because he was
Speaker 3: she was concerned if he became a crime scene that investigators,
Speaker 3: federal investigators, would have access to all their most sensitive
Speaker 3: personal files. Vince was the keeper of the family secrets,
Speaker 3: so you'd be able to probably find a ledger for
Speaker 3: what he was paid by Dan Lassiter, who was essentially
Speaker 3: running the mina operation from the Arkansas and then taking
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton Bill Clinton's cut of the massive drug trafficking
Speaker 3: that was coming into the state under Vice President George Bush.
Speaker 3: George Bush is running with his right hand man, Felix
Speaker 3: Rodriguez and this fellow Don greg who by the way,
Speaker 3: gets caught using a government credit card to pay for
Speaker 3: gay prostitutes. They orchestrate the entire illegal arms for drugs
Speaker 3: dealing of Iran contract. I think Reagan is actually largely
Speaker 3: in the dark. This is a Bush operation. Yet when
Speaker 3: Bush is confronted when he's running for president, he says
Speaker 3: he was out of the loop out of the loop, Chuck,
Speaker 3: he was the loopy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you said it, because if you didn't,
Speaker 2: I was gonna he was exactly the loop. This is
Speaker 2: the guy was involved in every single covert operation, it seems.
Speaker 2: You know, people point back to Nixon as being, you know,
Speaker 2: the executive action officer of for you know, when he
Speaker 2: was vice president. Yeah, right, and yes he was. He
Speaker 2: was involved in a lot of this stuff, but really
Speaker 2: he pales in comparison to the to the covert activities
Speaker 2: of HW and yeah, it links directly to the Clintons.
Speaker 2: And believe me, that's something I want to get into
Speaker 2: with you at some point here, because you were somebody
Speaker 2: who worked for Nixon. And I've got to say that
Speaker 2: over time, you know, although at the time it was happening,
Speaker 2: you know, the whole Watergate scandal and everything, he was
Speaker 2: pilloried quite heavily by the press, by people who were
Speaker 2: you know, political pundits of their time and all of that.
Speaker 2: But the truth is, when you look at it back
Speaker 2: in retrospect, this guy was no more a criminal than
Speaker 2: anybody else. I think, quite honestly, this is what I state,
Speaker 2: and you might disagree with me, but quite Honestly, Nixon
Speaker 2: was a victim of having challenged the intelligence complex in
Speaker 2: a way that they didn't want, and it was too
Speaker 2: soon to put a bullet in somebody else's head, so
Speaker 2: they got rid of our battle their way, right.
Speaker 3: This is the theme of my book, Nixon's Secrets, which
Speaker 3: is the truth about the takedown of Nixon in Watergate.
Speaker 3: I must tell you. Even more phenomenal is a new
Speaker 3: book out right now called The Real Watergate Scandal by
Speaker 3: Jeff Shepherd, who was a White House counsel. And what
Speaker 3: you found is that Richard Nixon got railroaded. That Judge
Speaker 3: so Rica was meeting repeatedly secretly with the government prosecutors
Speaker 3: planning how to take them down. And they pre wired
Speaker 3: the appeals court in essence going to the chief Judge
Speaker 3: saying make sure that every appeal on Watergate is heard
Speaker 3: on bank, meaning five judges instead of three. There were
Speaker 3: three Democrats and two Republicans on the DC appeals bench,
Speaker 3: so the Watergate burglars never got a fair trial. Nixon
Speaker 3: was denied due process, as were the burglars. Sirrica would
Speaker 3: have been impeached had this been known. That is an
Speaker 3: enormous breach to meet expartheid with one side in a
Speaker 3: highly charged trial like this. This book absolute he must
Speaker 3: be read to get the true story of the takedown
Speaker 3: of Richard Nixon. And you're absolutely right. He ended the
Speaker 3: Vietnam War. That's not what they wanted. And he withdrew
Speaker 3: the troops on a much faster accelerated schedule than the
Speaker 3: Pentagon wanted. When they grudguingly agreed to withdraw at all,
Speaker 3: he was going to be spending less. Of the defense
Speaker 3: contractors who were hoping for a big hard line push
Speaker 3: in Vietnam too, so they could profiteer. They soured on him.
Speaker 3: The secret initiative to go around the CIA to forge
Speaker 3: a peaceful relationship with the Chinese infuriated them. The Salt
Speaker 3: agreements with the Russians, in which Nixon agreed to strategic
Speaker 3: arms cuts on both sides, some of the most historic
Speaker 3: statesmanship in this country's history, moving awards a safer world.
Speaker 3: They were apoplectic about that Nixon was taken down by
Speaker 3: the Central Intelligence Agency, but also by his own errors.
Speaker 3: The Watergate conspiracy was infiltrated, and I go into this
Speaker 3: intensively in my book, But there's also more nefarious deeds here.
Speaker 3: John W. Dean is the villain of Watergate. He is
Speaker 3: the man who plans, pushes cases out, and then covers
Speaker 3: up the Watergate break in, and then when he realizes
Speaker 3: he's going to get caught, he shifts blames to others,
Speaker 3: including Richard Dixon. And this is very clear that his
Speaker 3: own books are flawed because they are missing enormous segments
Speaker 3: of the tapes. He put out a book last year
Speaker 3: that was the definitive word on Watergate, he said, but
Speaker 3: he omits the tapes of March thirteenth, seventeenth, and twentieth
Speaker 3: of he and Richard Nixon, in which he is running
Speaker 3: the criminal conspiracy to cover up, and he's coaching Nixon
Speaker 3: on how to commit perjury. So Dean is busted, and
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right. The story of Nixon is a fascinating one.
Speaker 3: He was deeply flawed, but he desegregated the public schools.
Speaker 3: He gave us federal revenue sharing, which meant our tax
Speaker 3: money was going to be decided on how to spend
Speaker 3: it at the local level, not in Washington. He desegregated
Speaker 3: the construction unions. He saved the state of Israel in
Speaker 3: the am Kipper War single handedly over the objections of
Speaker 3: Kissinger and the Joint chiefs with a multi million dollar
Speaker 3: airlift of lethal aid, the Israelis having their backs against
Speaker 3: the sea from a charging Egypt. So it is you know,
Speaker 3: he achieved many great things, right, not the least of
Speaker 3: which I mean.
Speaker 2: You know, you can have your viewpoints about the you know,
Speaker 2: the trip to China and the opening up of that
Speaker 2: as well in many directions, but the truth is that
Speaker 2: that was quite a bold move at the time. I
Speaker 2: think that historically, when he's put into context, he is
Speaker 2: not going to be the villain that he was in
Speaker 2: the early seventies in the public's mind. That's not going
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 3: Well, let's put it this way. All of his successors
Speaker 3: help because if you look at his record now and
Speaker 3: you compare it to the record of any of the
Speaker 3: presidents since then, who can stand up for these achievements.
Speaker 3: He ended the war, He gave us the environmental first,
Speaker 3: elementary environmental protection. Now, if Nixon we're alive today, I'm
Speaker 3: sure he would be unhappy about our current relationship with
Speaker 3: the Chinese. He didn't know at the time that futures
Speaker 3: leaders would get taken to the cleaners. They didn't take
Speaker 3: Nixon to the cleaners. We got something for everything we gave.
Speaker 2: Right. It was a completely different thing when if he
Speaker 2: saw environmental protection today, he would say, why you're strangling business?
Speaker 3: This isn't what I envisioned. So he tried to stop
Speaker 3: those who were making millions by polluting the environment through
Speaker 3: the EPA, which I think any reasonable American is for.
Speaker 3: To these extremes where you can't build anymore because of
Speaker 3: weird environmental restrictions, Nixon would be rolling over in his grave.
Speaker 3: He was a Republican, albeit the Chamber of Commerce type,
Speaker 3: but he believed in small government absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you something else. We're gonna come up
Speaker 2: against the break here, and I do want to explore
Speaker 2: a couple of things if you've got time to hang
Speaker 2: around with us for the next hour, because you know
Speaker 2: they're there is a whole lot more to your history.
Speaker 2: And I got more questions about this book, you know,
Speaker 2: the Clinton's. It's amazing to me. And I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you guys something just listening to us right now now.
Speaker 2: I have had disagreements with various people about various topics,
Speaker 2: and you guys know this. But the fact is, if
Speaker 2: you take a look at even just the pictures in
Speaker 2: the center of this thing. And I did more than that.
Speaker 2: I read through a lot of it, and I started
Speaker 2: showing people some of these photographs. But just the photographs
Speaker 2: in the center of this book are actually worth the price.
Speaker 2: You know, this, this gentleman, mister Williams we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: who is to my satisfaction based on what I can
Speaker 2: see and what I've heard before. By the way, because
Speaker 2: this is a story that I don't think has been
Speaker 2: really out there in the media stream very well. You know,
Speaker 2: you take a look at just the photograph of Williams
Speaker 2: next to a photograph.
Speaker 3: I would urge you, I would I would urge you
Speaker 3: to go to my Twitter feed right now, which is
Speaker 3: Roger J. Stone Junior, Rogers Jstone Jr. And you'll see
Speaker 3: a video I posted of Danny Williams very recently and
Speaker 3: tell me who he looks like. He's very real, as
Speaker 3: he says in the video, he's real, He's a person,
Speaker 3: and it's time that he'd be acknowledged. Hillary Clinton banished him.
Speaker 3: She's the one who sent him away. One of the
Speaker 3: things I was able to prove is that Bill would
Speaker 3: have Christmas presents delivered to Danny's home every Christmas without
Speaker 3: Hillary knowing about it. It was Hillary therefore who banished Danny.
Speaker 2: But even so, you know as a father, and again
Speaker 2: the guy who I swear to you I do recall
Speaker 2: just personally. I don't have video of this at this
Speaker 2: time or anything, but I guarantee you there was a
Speaker 2: huge issue when it came to the Clinton rhetoric at
Speaker 2: the time in the nineties about child.
Speaker 3: That'll be right. So the guy's at deadbeat dad himself. He's,
Speaker 3: by the way, he's got a niece right now who's
Speaker 3: on welfare, in on food stamps, who he's not supporting,
Speaker 3: one of Rogers daughters. But look at this goes much deeper.
Speaker 3: If you read Bill Clinton's official biography, you know that
Speaker 3: he says that Billy Blythe is his father. William Jefferson
Speaker 3: Clinton had abandoned his mother, she had taken up and
Speaker 3: married Blythe Blythe is his father. The problem is that
Speaker 3: it's not true. Blythe was in the service. If you
Speaker 3: count the months and you figure it out, the old
Speaker 3: timers in Hope, Arkansas would confirm that Virginia, his mother,
Speaker 3: was intimate with doctor George Wright, and that right is
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton's father, Wright has three other sons. That means
Speaker 3: by matching the DNA of one of the Wright brothers
Speaker 3: and Danny Williams, which is exactly the exact genetic match
Speaker 3: that was done to prove that Thomas Jefferson had fathered
Speaker 3: a child with the black slave Sally Hemmings, would prove
Speaker 3: definitively that Bill is Danny Williams father.
Speaker 2: Right, So when you take a look at the true lineage,
Speaker 2: the true genetic lineage here.
Speaker 3: He no, you could prove it without Bill's DNA. I
Speaker 3: think it's very clear Bill is not going to donate
Speaker 3: DNA for a public test of this question. Danny will
Speaker 3: have the option of challenging Bill's will when Bill passes away.
Speaker 3: If he's not provided for at that time, he might
Speaker 3: get a judge to order a DNA test. But I say,
Speaker 3: why wait, I'd like to know before the twenty six
Speaker 3: sixteen election whether Hillary isn't an abuser of this child,
Speaker 3: because this is abuse. He has admitted he doesn't want money.
Speaker 3: He wants to shake his father's hand, as he says
Speaker 3: in my book, he wants to meet his biological father.
Speaker 3: He doesn't drink, he doesn't smoke, He doesn't do drugs.
Speaker 3: He's an upright young man, and he lives in a
Speaker 3: very troubled environment. He struggles to make ends meet. This
Speaker 3: last Thanksgiving was tough on him. He is five months
Speaker 3: to feed, in a small business to run while he's
Speaker 3: still going to school, and his father is fabulously wealthy.
Speaker 3: It's time for Hillary to put Look, you apologize for
Speaker 3: banishing this point, and for Bill to do the right
Speaker 3: thing and supportive.
Speaker 2: You know, absolutely, and it's long overdue. I just I'm
Speaker 2: just stunned at the hypocrisy, like I said, because you're
Speaker 2: delivering rhetoric to the rest of us. This always makes
Speaker 2: me sick, and it's beyond politics. I'll tell you that
Speaker 2: that I get ill listening to people preach from the pulpit.
Speaker 2: You know are who are church people. I get ill
Speaker 2: when I hear you know, social commentators telling us all
Speaker 2: about how we're supposed to behave when they themselves have
Speaker 2: no clue about how to behave in a moral fashion. No,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what I think.
Speaker 3: This is a phenomena that I call elite deviance, which
Speaker 3: is there are a class of people in this country
Speaker 3: who are so wealthy, so powerful, so connected that the
Speaker 3: rules of society don't count for them. They can have
Speaker 3: their own email server, they can mishandle classified documents. They
Speaker 3: can do drugs, they can traffic drugs. They can have
Speaker 3: people beaten, they can murder people, they can hide evidence,
Speaker 3: they can tamper with witnesses, they can use strong arm tactics,
Speaker 3: they cheat, they make millions, and they are never held accountable.
Speaker 3: The laws literally don't apply for them. This qualifies as
Speaker 3: the Clintons, the Bushes, and many and many the Rockefellers.
Speaker 3: There's a certain elite out there who aren't subject to
Speaker 3: the same rules as the rest of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely correct, And it's just it's bottomless the pit
Speaker 2: we're talking about here. And those that think that somehow
Speaker 2: one side of the political spectrum doesn't get as deeply
Speaker 2: dipped in the blood and mud of all of this,
Speaker 2: you got another thing coming. Because the truth is the
Speaker 2: upper rachealon in this country. This is the way it goes.
Speaker 2: The laws they apply to you and me and probably
Speaker 2: you Master Stone, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But yet I've been a very close observer of this.
Speaker 3: I spent forty years in the corrected rectum of the
Speaker 3: two party system. I've seen laws being made. I've seen
Speaker 3: public policy being purchased.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I worked in the US Senate as a
Speaker 3: top aide to Senator Bob Dole. I worked in the
Speaker 3: House as a top aid to Congressman Bob Steele I,
Speaker 3: who is on the Budget Committee. I've seen the process
Speaker 3: up close. I've seen the sausage being made. It's not pretty.
Speaker 3: Big money, special interest money, corporate money, and the right
Speaker 3: lobbyists can buy anything in Washington. This is why I
Speaker 3: personally am attracted to the candidacy of Donald Trump because
Speaker 3: we are definitely disagree with them. I disagree with him
Speaker 3: on so many issues, like the drug war, for example,
Speaker 3: and we.
Speaker 2: Are definitely going to get into this in the second
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Speaker 2: This is as the bumper tells you, the o'celly effect,
Speaker 2: and I'm your host, Chuck o'celly Roger Stone. So far
Speaker 2: tonight we have discussed everything from the Clintons who were
Speaker 2: a part of the Bush crime syndicate, which I'm sure
Speaker 2: mister Stone is not going to disagree with me there
Speaker 2: as you heard in the first hour, but if you
Speaker 2: missed it, you definitely have to go back and get
Speaker 2: the archive, because there has been a plethora of information
Speaker 2: laid out for you from a man who has been
Speaker 2: a political insider for decades, for somebody whose lineage goes
Speaker 2: very easily from you know, Nixon, the easy the easy
Speaker 2: points of you here Nixon to Trump, as far as
Speaker 2: being somebody who's been an advisor and many many stops
Speaker 2: in between. Of course, the book we're focusing on for
Speaker 2: the most part tonight is The Clintons War on Women.
Speaker 2: And I say again that if you want to join
Speaker 2: in the discussion, guys, the uh, the the lines will
Speaker 2: be open at two one eight three, three nine eight
Speaker 2: five two five once again two one eight, three, three
Speaker 2: nine eight five two five. And hey, you know we
Speaker 2: we do this live, so you guys can interact with
Speaker 2: the guests and myself any which way. Just I ask
Speaker 2: that you'd be respectful. Is all just to the guests,
Speaker 2: not necessarily to me. You can attack me if you like,
Speaker 2: but not the guests. Okay, So moving forward. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody when they talk about the Clintons and they talk
Speaker 2: about the scandals, and they talk about the reality of
Speaker 2: their hypocritical behavior, their immorality, I mean, everybody always jumps
Speaker 2: to the big store, right. The Monica Lewinsky story all
Speaker 2: about you know what happened with this young lady who
Speaker 2: I think her entire life was ruined simply because she
Speaker 2: made some poor decisions and got herself excuse the pun here,
Speaker 2: maybe sucked into a bad situation, you know, regarding a
Speaker 2: man of power who happened to be in front of
Speaker 2: her at the time, et cetera.
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
Speaker 2: But this is also part of the story because what.
Speaker 3: Did you say about Bill Clinton that he was using
Speaker 3: a twenty two year old intern as his personal humador.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know the power differential here, the President
Speaker 3: the United States and a twenty two year old, not
Speaker 3: very good looking girl. But the moral of the story
Speaker 3: is it was Hillary who called her a little nutty
Speaker 3: and a little sluttie. Remember there was an enormous Clinton
Speaker 3: spin operation putting the blame on Lewinsky. Was her fault.
Speaker 3: She seduced the doddering old president. Please give me a break.
Speaker 3: And you're right, they've destroyed her life because they try
Speaker 3: to convince people that she was crazy, that she they
Speaker 3: said she was a stalker. That's right. She showed up
Speaker 3: every time Clinton sent for her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that is that how you qualify a stalker?
Speaker 2: I mean, really, you know, and we got treated to
Speaker 2: back then, even we got treated to what the Linda
Speaker 2: trip tapes and of course the infamous stained dress and
Speaker 2: all of this, and meanwhile, you know, look, bottom line,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna be honest here, bottom line, if that's
Speaker 2: what goes on between consenting adults. It's none of my business.
Speaker 3: No, but this is I think this is something for
Speaker 3: This is more important, and I'll tell you why, Chuck.
Speaker 3: This is the first time that that internet media breaking
Speaker 3: force is a scandal. If it weren't for the Drudge Report,
Speaker 3: we would know nothing about Linda Tripp or Monica Lewinsky
Speaker 3: because the networks who had all this information would never
Speaker 3: have covered it. So it's really the first time in
Speaker 3: modern history where the story was so big and Matt
Speaker 3: Drudge was so far out that that every major media
Speaker 3: had to follow him and cover this. Well. Then, of
Speaker 3: course the proof of that is it led to a
Speaker 3: formal impeachment inquiry. That's how serious the problem was, right,
Speaker 3: And let's.
Speaker 2: Remember that the impeachment inquiry was not about the you know,
Speaker 2: a sexual proclivities or activities of two individuals. It was
Speaker 2: actually about, you know, a provable problem there when giving testimony, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, everybody forgets that part.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's all about the perjury. The point is
Speaker 3: he lied under oath, he had his law license, he
Speaker 3: was this bar. He had to pay one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars fine to the bar. These are
Speaker 3: parts that are missing in his biography.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's that's another fun thing. I really don't
Speaker 2: see much about that there. There's sort of a Maya
Speaker 2: coupe in there, really quickly in one of the versions
Speaker 2: that I read. But I mean it is so brief
Speaker 2: as to be laughable.
Speaker 3: And this is this is a guy who says that
Speaker 3: he smoked marijuana, but he didn't Inhale. This is a
Speaker 3: guy who, actually, quoted on the record, is saying, I
Speaker 3: don't believe i'd know what cocaine looks like. Whose own brother,
Speaker 3: Roger Clinton, said I need some from my brother. He's
Speaker 3: got a nose like a vacuum cleaner.
Speaker 2: Well, right, and I mean again and again what we find.
Speaker 2: And I've always laughed at that whole You know, I
Speaker 2: didn't Inhale saying Roger, I mean, bluntly, look, Manda Man,
Speaker 2: who is going to smoke marijuana and not Inhale?
Speaker 3: Really it's so laughable. Yeah, No, it speaks to the
Speaker 3: phoniness of Bill Clinton. It's as much as just as
Speaker 3: phony as is saying that he doesn't know what cocaine
Speaker 3: looks like. If you go back to the Clinton Chronicles,
Speaker 3: which is a fairly arcane production, you know, it's pre
Speaker 3: Internet that's put out on vhs. In essence, you will see,
Speaker 3: you know, numerous party girls in that documentary who snorted
Speaker 3: lines with Bill. His own driver. L. D. Brown says
Speaker 3: he would drive Clinton to Dan Lassiter, the drug dealer's office,
Speaker 3: and Clinton would come out after snorting coke out of
Speaker 3: a giant bowl. It would be glazed. There's actually a
Speaker 3: picture of Bill Clinton high on cocaine, glaze eyed in L. D.
Speaker 3: Brown's book, which I believe we reproduced in the book. Yeah,
Speaker 3: actually he did.
Speaker 2: And it's it's a fascinating photo because and again I
Speaker 2: say this really honestly, even if you you just take
Speaker 2: a look at these pictures, it's worth the price of
Speaker 2: the book, guys. It absolutely is. The picture of mister Williams,
Speaker 2: some of the photographs that you have in there of Clinton,
Speaker 2: the comparison with Chelsea, you know, it's just it's astounding,
Speaker 2: just the photographic elements in your book research you did.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that very much. For those who want to
Speaker 3: get the book, By the way, you can go to
Speaker 3: Rogerstone dot com. You can go to Clinton's War No Apostrophe,
Speaker 3: Clinton's War dot com, or you can go to Amazon,
Speaker 3: you can go to Barnes and Noble online or walk
Speaker 3: into a Barnes and Noble store. I'm very proud of
Speaker 3: this book, and I you know, it's not about me.
Speaker 3: The book stands on its own and it makes its
Speaker 3: own case. Every woman needs to read this book before
Speaker 3: the twenty sixteen election, and they need to hand it
Speaker 3: to another woman and get her to read it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because look, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: you know, the the Clinton presidency is all over, and yeah,
Speaker 2: they have a slush fund. Many people after leaving a
Speaker 2: high office end up with, you know, some sort of
Speaker 2: foundation slush fund. They attract money for their presidential libraries.
Speaker 2: They do all kinds of things, but.
Speaker 3: Not at this scale, not at this scale. You know.
Speaker 3: The truth is, when Richard Nixon left the White House,
Speaker 3: he sat on no corporate boards, he did no paid speeches,
Speaker 3: he took no honorarium, he did no legal work, and
Speaker 3: he declined numerous economic opportunities living off his federal pension,
Speaker 3: having been a senator, a congressman, a vice president, and president,
Speaker 3: and what he could earn by writing books. When Jimmy
Speaker 3: Carter left the White House, he founded a foundation to
Speaker 3: do charitable works specifically building houses for poor people. And
Speaker 3: he received no honorariums, no paid speeches, served on no
Speaker 3: corporate boards. Bill Clinton has made one hundred million dollars
Speaker 3: since leaving the White House, and that's conservatively. He made
Speaker 3: thirty five last year alone. As I think I said earlier,
Speaker 3: Hillary's worth about eighty five to one hundred. Chelsea, aged
Speaker 3: thirty five, She's worth an estimated eighteen and a half
Speaker 3: million dollars. So these people have plundered at the public troth.
Speaker 3: Bill was the only president who has been willing to
Speaker 3: work essentially as a lobbyist, mostly for foreign interests, cutting
Speaker 3: shady deals with the other capitalists in the world, the
Speaker 3: other regimes. But no other president has worked as a
Speaker 3: lobby and that when that lobbying practice started to smell
Speaker 3: so bad. A company called Tineo that was set up
Speaker 3: by Clinton's then right hand man now estranged and maybe
Speaker 3: problematic because he is a witness to many of Bill's
Speaker 3: sexploits when he was at Epstein's place, and he's privy
Speaker 3: to many other scandals. Because you know, Bill and Hillary,
Speaker 3: even for example, when they're in the same city, they
Speaker 3: not only don't stay in the same room, they don't
Speaker 3: stay in the same hotel.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Listen, Roger, how about we take a call at
Speaker 2: this point because I do want to get into some
Speaker 2: of the discussions with you know about about Carter, because
Speaker 2: he's the only guy that I take out of context
Speaker 2: when it comes to this long line of criminals. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that he's necessarily all cleaning either, but at
Speaker 2: least when he came out, he actually did, you know,
Speaker 2: something in a charitable way that accomplished something I do.
Speaker 2: You can actually see the results of his work post presidency.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say this that two things are interesting
Speaker 3: about Carter. In significant I think he was not a
Speaker 3: great president. He was very smugged and sanctimonious. He didn't
Speaker 3: he really thought he was the smartest man in the world.
Speaker 3: He did, however, do one thing right, and that is
Speaker 3: when he learned in the church hearings and the other
Speaker 3: breaking stories of his day, what the government had really
Speaker 3: done in Dallas, at the Bay of Pigs in the
Speaker 3: Vietnam War. When he learned all of that, he essentially
Speaker 3: ousted the regime at the CIA that was responsible for it,
Speaker 3: and he put in his own director, Stansfield Turner, who
Speaker 3: was not a favorite of the old timers. He fired
Speaker 3: all the Koch were guys responsible for what had gone down,
Speaker 3: and this came back to haunt him. They all camped
Speaker 3: out at the George Bush for President campaign in nineteen eighty,
Speaker 3: which was very much the candidate of the spooks in
Speaker 3: the states where I was organizing for Ronald Reagan New York,
Speaker 3: New Jersey, Connecticut, and through the Northeast. The Bush campaign
Speaker 3: locally was all retired quote unquote CIA guys and a
Speaker 3: few wasps from the country club or you know, people
Speaker 3: who were in the finest families in terms of the
Speaker 3: waspy set. That that's absolutely true.
Speaker 2: I was a kid in the in during that time,
Speaker 2: and I got to tell you that the adults around
Speaker 2: me talked about how the Bush for Presidency campaign that
Speaker 2: was unfolding there was really like the white people's campaign,
Speaker 2: so you know, and that's what they were alluding to,
Speaker 2: is that it was all about and you know, look,
Speaker 2: I'm white myself, and you know whatever.
Speaker 3: But the thing is that it was just so clearly
Speaker 3: people underestimate George Bush in this sense, even though he
Speaker 3: seems like an affable kind of dufis and he's got
Speaker 3: terrible syntax, he's mat Laedroit and somewhat wouldn't don't recognize
Speaker 3: the fact that this is a very duplicitous, dangerous, and
Speaker 3: extremely ambitious man who will do whatever it takes to
Speaker 3: get power. And I think people think they see this
Speaker 3: goofy demeanor of his and they think it's kind of
Speaker 3: endearing and harmless. There is nothing harmless about the House
Speaker 3: of Bush and their use of Saudi money and Saudi
Speaker 3: influence and their self dealing and their corruption of US
Speaker 3: government because of it. Look, even today we can't get
Speaker 3: twenty eight pages from the nine to eleven Commission report.
Speaker 2: That's absolutely correct.
Speaker 3: Let's try and go to some of the You're a
Speaker 3: right left Republican, Democrat, libertarian, have a right to know
Speaker 3: what's in there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely and I absolutely agree with you there. Let's try
Speaker 2: and go to some of the callers though, and see
Speaker 2: what they have to say, because I actually get hit
Speaker 2: on the lines here and I want to want to
Speaker 2: let them in on the conversations.
Speaker 3: Absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2: First off, we have six oh four, You're on the
Speaker 2: air with Roger Stone.
Speaker 4: Hey, Chuck, Charles Cliff here, how you doing all right?
Speaker 2: Charles?
Speaker 4: How are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Hello, Roger Charles.
Speaker 4: Hello, Yes, I got a couple of questions if you
Speaker 4: don't mind about your book The Man Who Killed Kennedy. Yes, yes, okay,
Speaker 4: So I hope I'm not getting a two off topic.
Speaker 4: So I just kind of joined in late. Okay. So
Speaker 4: your basic premise is a book, is that LBJ is
Speaker 4: the one that with the mastermind behind the whole thing?
Speaker 4: Is that kind of the I've only I've read excerpt
Speaker 4: to your book.
Speaker 3: I have haven't Let me let me sum up my theory.
Speaker 3: I think I think Lyndon Johnson was a part of
Speaker 3: a plot that involved the Central Intelligence Agency, organized crime
Speaker 3: in some of the elements in Big Texas Oil who
Speaker 3: had a mutual and immediate interest in a coupdeta. I
Speaker 3: think Johnson was central to the plot because he controlled
Speaker 3: the Dallas Police Department in the Dallas District Attorney recognizing
Speaker 3: that in nineteen sixty three, murderer even of the president
Speaker 3: is a state not federal crime. Therefore, the investigation would
Speaker 3: be and could be controlled by Lyndon Johnson. Why I
Speaker 3: think he is indispensable.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 3: Undisputable that Johnson taught President Kennedy into going to Dallas.
Speaker 3: It is indisputable that, according to the memoir of Jerry Bruno,
Speaker 3: who is the chief advanced man for Kennedy, it was
Speaker 3: Connelly who absolutely demanded the illegal turn. Under the secret
Speaker 3: Service manual, it took you through the slow incline of
Speaker 3: Dally Plaza. There was a much faster way to get
Speaker 3: where they were going to the merchandise smart it was
Speaker 3: Connelly who insisted on that route. So yeah, I'm very
Speaker 3: proud of that book. It's a New York Times bestseller,
Speaker 3: and I invite you to give it a read. It's
Speaker 3: very fast moving. I think you'll find it fascinating.
Speaker 4: Now, do you believe that he was actually part of
Speaker 4: the advanced planning of it or was he more of
Speaker 4: a background character.
Speaker 3: I think let's look at the people, say Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 3: did do it. We have a government document, a memo
Speaker 3: that was declassified from ja Or Hoover to Lyndon Johnson's
Speaker 3: informing him that the KGB has conducted their own independent
Speaker 3: investigation in the Kennedy murder and they have concluded that
Speaker 3: Johnson is the lynch pin and that the intelligence services
Speaker 3: and organist Guy's crime elements are involved. Bingo Jackie Kennedy
Speaker 3: goes to French intelligence, where she has friends. She is
Speaker 3: of course a bouvoir, and the they conduct their own
Speaker 3: independent investigation. They conclude that Lyndon Johnson is the lynch pin.
Speaker 3: Senator Barry Goldwater believed it, which is documented in my book.
Speaker 3: Robert Kennedy believed it. Jacqueline Kennedy believed it. This is
Speaker 3: all a findable in the book. So many many people did.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I have never said Johnson acted alone, and many purists
Speaker 3: who are interested in this topic, and those who disagree
Speaker 3: with me, like Chuck who have great respect for say, well,
Speaker 3: you've got to focus on some of the other you know,
Speaker 3: maybe it was just the mob, maybe it was just
Speaker 3: the Central Intelligence agency. So I don't disagree with them.
Speaker 3: I think if you step back and look at the
Speaker 3: larger picture, as the Latins say, Pode costs seclist spect
Speaker 3: which means he who committed the crime is the one
Speaker 3: who derives the greatest benefit.
Speaker 4: Okay, I see what we're saying there, And certainly with
Speaker 4: respect to this the cover up after the fact, I
Speaker 4: have no disagreement there. He was clearly part of that.
Speaker 3: Well. In fact, Jaeger Hoover is the cleanup man for
Speaker 3: the cover up. Hoover is the next door neighbor of Johnson.
Speaker 3: The Johnson Girls calling Buncle Edgar. He has tripled the
Speaker 3: FBI budget in the fifties when he's the Senate majority
Speaker 3: leader in controlling the appropriations process. Uh and he is
Speaker 3: his friends in Texas are great financial benefactors for Jay
Speaker 3: Edgar's yearly trip to the track on the West Coast,
Speaker 3: where essentially every mobster in the world is picking up
Speaker 3: the tab M.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I understand that. My biggest issue is though
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of people saying the lynch pin
Speaker 4: he did this, he did that. But really, when you
Speaker 4: come it comes right down to it as him being
Speaker 4: an actual participant in the planning. I find the evidence
Speaker 4: there to be very very thin.
Speaker 3: I really well, no, look, I happen to buy Barb Barb.
Speaker 3: I buy Barb McClellan's theory, which is Johnson steals the
Speaker 3: Secret Service manual and he gives it to his major
Speaker 3: DOMO and the most powerful man in Texas, Ed Clark,
Speaker 3: his personal attorney, and he says, I don't need to
Speaker 3: know any more. You take care of business. Ed Clark
Speaker 3: is the one who is interfacing with all the other plotters.
Speaker 3: I don't think Johnson is the running of day to
Speaker 3: day operation. However, there is no question that fingerprint evidence
Speaker 3: eyewitness evidence ties the crime directly to Johnson. In that
Speaker 3: the fingerprint found in the sixth floor sniper's next on
Speaker 3: the cardboard boxes, which has now been confirmed at least
Speaker 3: five times over by independent experts in addition to the
Speaker 3: original one Nathan Darby, is the print of man named
Speaker 3: Malcolm Wallace. Wallace is a hit man for Lyndon Johnson.
Speaker 3: We know this because he was convicted of murder in
Speaker 3: a trial where he in cold blood shot a man
Speaker 3: who was having an affair with Johnson's nefarious bisexual party
Speaker 3: girl sister. He was defended at trial by Johnson's personal attorney.
Speaker 3: He was bailed out of jail by two of Johnson's
Speaker 3: closest largest donors, and Johnson hold up in a hotel
Speaker 3: room near the courthouse in the rural county outside of Dallas,
Speaker 3: where Malcolm Wallace, the killer was being tried. Wallace is convicted,
Speaker 3: therefore we get his fingerprints those Max the fingerprints in
Speaker 3: the sniper's nest. Additionally, six men or women tell either
Speaker 3: the FBI or the Dallas police that they see a
Speaker 3: man in the sixth floor window just before the shooting
Speaker 3: who is heavy set, middle aged, baulding and wearing spectacles.
Speaker 3: They all say spectacles. That's Malcolm Wallace, a perfect description
Speaker 3: of him in nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I put Charles on hold because we have
Speaker 2: other callers that want to come on in. I might
Speaker 2: bring it back on Charles if you want. I got
Speaker 2: to tell you that recently that evidence of Wallace has
Speaker 2: been retested. And what would you think if somebody compared
Speaker 2: his military record fingerprints and was a certified expert Because
Speaker 2: Darby's Darby's expertise and his condition at the time that
Speaker 2: he conducted that study is a bit questionable, to be
Speaker 2: honest with you.
Speaker 3: You know, I agree with you. That's why I commissioned
Speaker 3: my own independent study. I hired a lab that cost
Speaker 3: me thirty five thousand dollars. These guys were used by
Speaker 3: local law enforcement, which is how I tried to do
Speaker 3: their bona fighties. I believe that you not only have
Speaker 3: a print, but I think there's three other partials. Look,
Speaker 3: we can agree to disagree, and we're here to talk
Speaker 3: about the Clinton. So let's move on.
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely so. Next caller is eight O six area code.
Speaker 2: You're on the air with Roger Stone. How you doing
Speaker 2: I'm doing good.
Speaker 3: This is Greg.
Speaker 5: I'm glad to hear Rochostollin on your show today. I
Speaker 5: know that he is connected with Donald Trump, worked with
Speaker 5: him in Prince for a long time. And today Rand
Speaker 5: Paul was on the floor of the House saying how
Speaker 5: much Donald Trump has alienated himself in Republicans. And I'm
Speaker 5: a Republican and I don't feel alienated. I want to
Speaker 5: know if Rogers thinks that Trump will stick by the
Speaker 5: American people, his numbers look good, and will he stick
Speaker 5: by him? Will you stay the real deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I appreciate the caller. You know, I had a friend
Speaker 3: in Lubbock who asked me this question just the other day.
Speaker 3: I don't think that that Trump will drop out. Trump
Speaker 3: is a fighter. Trump has not only a lead, but
Speaker 3: a substantial lead. He has the resources that is necessary
Speaker 3: for the final sprint. He's going to need to spend
Speaker 3: some personal money at that time. There is, and I
Speaker 3: can tell you, coming from the establishment Republicans, a multi
Speaker 3: million dollar attack effort on television and cable and radio
Speaker 3: to try to take him down. It will be han
Speaker 3: chowed by John Kasik, but the money will be funneled
Speaker 3: to Kasik by Marco Rubio. The Rubio Kasick deal is cut.
Speaker 3: Marco Rubio for president and the Ohioan John Kasick for
Speaker 3: vice president. They are going to raise from the manufacturers,
Speaker 3: the Chamber of Commerce, the special interest, the lobbyists, the establishment,
Speaker 3: several hundred million dollars and they are going to launch
Speaker 3: a vicious attack on Donald Trump, an attempt to take
Speaker 3: him down. Meanwhile, you have Ted Cruz moving up the side,
Speaker 3: running a very disciplined campaign, really making great strides among
Speaker 3: the very substantial evangelical Christian segment of these early caucuses
Speaker 3: in primaries, probably a dominant group there in Iowa, not
Speaker 3: as dominant or as important in New Hampshire. Trump, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, could win the Iowa caucuses, but he could
Speaker 3: also come in second. Second would be acceptable because I
Speaker 3: frankly think New Hampshire is more hospitable to him, and
Speaker 3: he could bounce back there with the proper campaign. I
Speaker 3: know then that he would sweep South Carolina. He has
Speaker 3: an excellent operative there who knows what he's doing, which
Speaker 3: you can't say for everybody in the Trump campaign. But
Speaker 3: the man who's handling South Carolina is very adept, very skilled,
Speaker 3: has an excellent grassroots operation. I think the fellow who's
Speaker 3: working Iowa, who really is the man who engineered the
Speaker 3: Santaorum victory four years ago, a victory that Santorum was
Speaker 3: cheated out of when the media incorrectly reported Mitt Romney
Speaker 3: as a surprise winner. I think that that was, you know,
Speaker 3: that was remains to be seen. I do think Trump
Speaker 3: could come out first or second in Iowa and still
Speaker 3: end up as the nominee of the Republican Party.
Speaker 6: Great, thank you very much.
Speaker 5: I hope he sticks by us, and he seems like
Speaker 5: his numbers are looking good and everything, and I hope
Speaker 5: that if he gets an office, he doesn't turn like
Speaker 5: all these other people have.
Speaker 3: I agree. Now, go immediately to Amazon dot com and
Speaker 3: buy the Clinton's War on Women. Thanks for calling, Thank
Speaker 3: you very much.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, thanks a lot. And you know, I got to
Speaker 2: say that when it comes to the Trump thing, and
Speaker 2: I've said it on the air, and I've gone through
Speaker 2: this with various individuals, I do believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: because these statements keep coming out that are not palatable
Speaker 2: to the majority of people in the country. It seems
Speaker 2: as though the Trump campaign has kind of been positioned,
Speaker 2: in my estimation, to fail based on the fact that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of very brash, very
Speaker 2: abrasive statements coming out. I mean, not the least of which,
Speaker 2: Now you know, I don't know if you've kept up
Speaker 2: on it. I'm sure you have, though, you know, with
Speaker 2: this whole thing about checking Muslims, I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know how you feel about that, but I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Tell you that I if you look at what he
Speaker 3: has proposed, which is to say, he wants a temporary
Speaker 3: stop in any Muslim immigration until we can get a
Speaker 3: handle on setting up a system that's able to vet
Speaker 3: people to make sure that everybody coming here, many of
Speaker 3: whom are good, decent people, are not terrorists. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's unreasonable. These are very difficult and desperate times,
Speaker 3: and it calls for temporary, desperate message measures. Now, of course,
Speaker 3: the headline is Trump wants to ban Muslim immigration, as
Speaker 3: if he's saying we should ban it for all time, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, even though you've got a bunch of
Speaker 3: talking heads saying that that's unconstitutional, federal law clearly gives
Speaker 3: the president the right to block any immigrant group, any
Speaker 3: alien group, as the law says, for any period of
Speaker 3: time that he shall decide if they pose a threat
Speaker 3: to the national interest. He has this authority, so the
Speaker 3: courts would obviously have to rule on that. But I
Speaker 3: just don't think it's again. I think the media is
Speaker 3: quick to try to villainize Trump regardless if we disagree here.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you where I think this will go politically,
Speaker 3: and that is Trump will move up in the polls.
Speaker 3: This will further galvanize his support, which would increase his
Speaker 3: chances of being nominated. Now and he went a general election,
Speaker 3: those who say that he's a loser are that's mistaken.
Speaker 3: It's a narrow path. But if you look at all
Speaker 3: of the polls, and I don't mean the call in polls,
Speaker 3: I don't mean the ones where you can hit refresh
Speaker 3: and vote again and hit refresh and vote again. I'm
Speaker 3: talking about scientific polls with a proper sample, driven by
Speaker 3: someone who understands polling and the mathematics they're in, and
Speaker 3: who understands questioning techniques. If you look at those polls,
Speaker 3: Trump is running substantially better among blacks, among Catholics and
Speaker 3: among working house apartment union households that either John McCain
Speaker 3: or Mitt Romney was able to achieve or ever even
Speaker 3: got close to. So that tells me that he would
Speaker 3: have to bring a lot of He would have to
Speaker 3: win in those groups. He'd have to make incursions into
Speaker 3: those democratic groups. He would also have to bring in
Speaker 3: literally millions of people who just don't vote because they
Speaker 3: are disgusted with the two party duopoly and they think
Speaker 3: the whole thing is fixed, which, by the way, they're
Speaker 3: not wrong, they're right. But if they really believe that
Speaker 3: Trump would somehow not not be beholden to assist him
Speaker 3: because he takes no campaign contributions. You see, even though
Speaker 3: Trump and I disagree on many many things, this is
Speaker 3: what I like about him. I think you can't buy him,
Speaker 3: you can't bully him. He doesn't always presidency to another billionaire,
Speaker 3: or to a super pack or to a corporation, or
Speaker 3: to a special interest or a special pleader. He's his
Speaker 3: own man. And I think in the end he may
Speaker 3: make mistakes, but he will do what he thinks is right.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But looking at him from the perspective of and I
Speaker 2: am one of those people who has become disillusioned with
Speaker 2: the two party you know duopoly that you describe there.
Speaker 2: Absolutely the thing is. And I even said at the
Speaker 2: beginning of this program, the last guy who I pulled
Speaker 2: a lever for for president was named Clinton, for God's sake,
Speaker 2: So that tells you where I'm at with bothering to
Speaker 2: even participate in the process.
Speaker 3: Now, yes, I think that that is understandable. Look the
Speaker 3: people who said, look, I've because he's been a friend
Speaker 3: of mine for thirty seven years, because I you know,
Speaker 3: he attended my wedding. I went to his wedding, went
Speaker 3: to two of his three weddings. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I was at the wake in funeral for both of
Speaker 3: his parents. I was honored to be there for the
Speaker 3: swearing under his sister as a federal judge under Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3: You know, he is a friend of many years. But
Speaker 3: he's his own man. Nobody puts words in his mouth,
Speaker 3: no one ever did. He makes his own decisions. He
Speaker 3: is his own strategist. He is you know, he has
Speaker 3: run a multi billion dollar company. He has made complex decisions.
Speaker 3: He understands the art of negotiation. He's writ in my
Speaker 3: opinion about us being taken the cleaners in these one
Speaker 3: sided trade deals with the Chinese and the Japanese and
Speaker 3: the Mexicans. We need better deals for the American people.
Speaker 3: It's now the very same people who used to kid
Speaker 3: me and say, oh, come on, he's not running. This
Speaker 3: is an exercise in publicity and branding, burnishing the brand
Speaker 3: and the fact that he likes to hear himself talk.
Speaker 3: Then they said, oh, okay, he's running, but he'll never
Speaker 3: file his necessary financial disclosures, which he filed on time.
Speaker 3: It was Jeb who had to keep filing for extensions.
Speaker 3: Then they said he would not show up or make
Speaker 3: a fool of himself in the early debates. He went
Speaker 3: up after every debate. I think his unscripted nature is
Speaker 3: entertaining to people. He is a man working without a net.
Speaker 3: You never know what he might say, speaks from the heart,
Speaker 3: and you know whether or not there were hundreds or
Speaker 3: thousands of Muslims or just handsful of Muslims celebrating on
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. It doesn't take away from the fact
Speaker 3: that there are some Muslims already in this country who
Speaker 3: hate us, and who are don't and who were pleased
Speaker 3: by what happened to us on that date that is deniable.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, there you go. But I take a
Speaker 2: step back, and I say to myself, you know, being
Speaker 2: that this guy is a well advanced negotiator, somebody who
Speaker 2: understands that gaining leverage is one of those very sophisticated
Speaker 2: art forms that he has lived by. I mean it's
Speaker 2: effectively his entire career as an individual, when you know,
Speaker 2: whether it was real estate or anything else. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: took some risks, he always has. This is the kind
Speaker 2: of guy he is. The reality to me, though, is that?
Speaker 2: And this is what I feel. This is my prediction.
Speaker 2: And you know you can, you can toss it any
Speaker 2: which way you want. But the thing is, it looks
Speaker 2: more to me like I'm going to gain the leverage here,
Speaker 2: I'm going to hand it over to somebody else. And
Speaker 2: and and then guess what people owe me?
Speaker 3: You know which I think you under you under estate?
Speaker 3: The how, the the narcissist of Donald Trump number one,
Speaker 3: number two, the the self confidence, the case indue spirit.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't be running, he believed me, he would not
Speaker 3: go to Iowa fifteen times if he was going to
Speaker 3: hand off this baton. This is very hard work. He
Speaker 3: has the greatest life in the world. He's got a
Speaker 3: phenomenal apartment in New York, he's got a plush office,
Speaker 3: he's got his own seven twenty seven. He's got a
Speaker 3: place he'd much rather be this time of year in Florida.
Speaker 3: He owns not only the fabulous Dorale Country Club in
Speaker 3: Golf Court, but he also has the Jewel of Palm Beach,
Speaker 3: the mar Lago Estate, which is a private club. So
Speaker 3: he has a very rarefied and like he's got a
Speaker 3: great family, he's got great kids. He likes to spend
Speaker 3: time with his kids. And he is running for president.
Speaker 3: Believe me, he's not doing it for someone else.
Speaker 2: Well, it just seems to me, and I still believe
Speaker 2: in my in my heart of hearts, what we're going
Speaker 2: to see is Bush Clinton again as the selected candidates.
Speaker 2: I really feel that way, and I think that all
Speaker 2: of this which is going on so early, is going
Speaker 2: to disappear because really the structure, and this is something
Speaker 2: that nobody's looking at, is the structure that it takes
Speaker 2: to get the delegates together to be able to actually
Speaker 2: put that push on who actually has that infrastructure in place?
Speaker 2: According to your estimation right now.
Speaker 3: I think there are three possible Republican candidates. I agree
Speaker 3: with you about Hillary. She's going to win the Democratic nomination,
Speaker 3: but not without sustaining some damage in the way. Putting
Speaker 3: that aside, I think that either Senator Marco Rubio, who
Speaker 3: is the boy toy of the billionaires, the new toast
Speaker 3: of the establishment, and with the Jeb a lot of
Speaker 3: jebs Key supporters and money now moving to Marco, Senator
Speaker 3: Ted Cruz. And by the way, Marco has Paul Singer,
Speaker 3: the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Nagelson, He's going to have multi
Speaker 3: millions to run his campaign. Then you have Senator Ted Cruz,
Speaker 3: who's run a very focused and disciplined, long game campaign,
Speaker 3: who's who was probably the best debater in the Republican Party,
Speaker 3: certainly somebody that I'd feel good about going ahead to
Speaker 3: head with Hillary in a debate at least even though
Speaker 3: I am, as you know, a strong Trump supporter, I
Speaker 3: like dead Cruise. It's going to be one of those three.
Speaker 3: Nobody else has the legs, or the infrastructure or the
Speaker 3: money to survive. I really think, Jeb, if you saw
Speaker 3: a front page story at least I saw it online,
Speaker 3: it was I think a Washington Post story, but I
Speaker 3: saw it in the Sun Sentinel newspaper. Jeb has already
Speaker 3: expended almost thirty million dollars and gone nowhere. He has
Speaker 3: spent lavishly on media. People are seeing Jeb talking about
Speaker 3: national security and it's not moving the needle, not even
Speaker 3: an iota. So I would argue that the Republican nominee
Speaker 3: will be one of those three. How long Trump stays
Speaker 3: in the race depends on how he does. I don't
Speaker 3: think there's a preordained plan that he's going to drop
Speaker 3: out at a date. Certain if he started running fifth
Speaker 3: and he had no prospect of being nominated, you know,
Speaker 3: who knows what he might do. He's not a fool,
Speaker 3: he wouldn't throw good money after bad. But he's a fighter,
Speaker 3: and he wants the presidency. He certainly wants to win
Speaker 3: this race. He's disgusted by the stupid leadership that we've had.
Speaker 3: He thinks we keep making all kinds of dumb decisions
Speaker 3: that aren't in our national interest. He wants to make
Speaker 3: the country rich again. He wants to make us prosperous again.
Speaker 3: He wants to create jobs. He wants to rebuild our
Speaker 3: military and he would like to have a foreign policy
Speaker 3: that has some common sense to it. We keep switching sides.
Speaker 3: We end up fighting our own guns because we can't
Speaker 3: decide who to arm, or we don't even keep tracks
Speaker 3: of who are arming to the teeth. You're worried about ISIS.
Speaker 3: George W. Bush created ISIS and Hillary armed ISIS. That's
Speaker 3: a fact.
Speaker 2: That's an absolute fact, and that is definitely not lost
Speaker 2: on me. The fact that we don't seem to know
Speaker 2: who our enemy is because every time we turn around,
Speaker 2: we're fighting somebody that we supplied previously.
Speaker 3: It's enough enough of this. We need a clean slate.
Speaker 3: How about a foreign policy that's in our best interests.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Imagine that they start pressing about Israel and he
Speaker 3: basically says, I'll tell you what I think after I
Speaker 3: meet with Beebe and the people start booing. I think
Speaker 3: he has that right to answer the questions. After he
Speaker 3: meets with net and Hayaho. He's going to see the
Speaker 3: Prime Minister here shortly he's on his way to Israel. Instead,
Speaker 3: he gets an assault from the media and the people
Speaker 3: in the room. Some Jewish Republicans start booing. I think
Speaker 3: it's he didn't say he didn't give a definitive answer.
Speaker 3: He said he wanted to wait until he spoke to
Speaker 3: the Prime minister. Completely fair in my opinion. And then
Speaker 3: this morning there was this incredible scene on Morning Joe
Speaker 3: where he was talking. He answered three questions in three minutes,
Speaker 3: not unreasonable, and suddenly Joe Scarborough blows up and says,
Speaker 3: you're filibustering. You're not letting us talk, You're not letting
Speaker 3: us answer questions. You just keep talking. If you don't stop,
Speaker 3: we're going to go to break and Trump says, what
Speaker 3: are you talking about? I'm answering your questions. Do you
Speaker 3: not want to hear what I have to say?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: So, I mean the guy through Uh Scarborough threw a
Speaker 3: hissy fit on national television.
Speaker 2: Which they've been doing, you know, over this guy. The
Speaker 2: one thing that that that I have absolutely no disagreement
Speaker 2: with you on is that it's been very entertaining to
Speaker 2: to watch this guy do his thing. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you may be right though I might be underestimating the narcissism,
Speaker 2: but it just seems to me as though this what
Speaker 2: the way it's going to play out is either Rubio
Speaker 2: or Cruz is your VP. Candidate. And I still say
Speaker 2: that somehow or other, the smoke is going to clear
Speaker 2: and they're gonna shove push forward. I really feel that way,
Speaker 2: because it's like it's like a pop balloon.
Speaker 3: Okay, once a balloon is popped, you can never reinflate it.
Speaker 3: I think his problems are that bad. He is, he is,
Speaker 3: his campaign skills are rusty. He is I wants to
Speaker 3: go out and defend common Core, which is I think
Speaker 3: going to be death in the Republican primaries. He's been
Speaker 3: all over the map on immigration. He's got these very
Speaker 3: shady business deals where five of his former partners are
Speaker 3: in prison or went to prison. He has got what
Speaker 3: I think are tangential involvement in drugs, which I have
Speaker 3: as a major centerpiece in my upcoming book, Jeb and
Speaker 3: the Bush Crime Family. I got to tell you, when
Speaker 3: you write a book like this, one hundred the eight
Speaker 3: hundred dollars an hour, lawyers for your publisher put you
Speaker 3: through the ringer on libel at slander and documentation. And
Speaker 3: none of this, none of the bombshell revelations about the
Speaker 3: bushes and drugs, assassination, murder, adultery, gay prostitutes. This is
Speaker 3: a very colorful story in Jeb and the Bush Crime Family,
Speaker 3: which you can actually even though it's not out until
Speaker 3: late January. And I'm going to Manchester, New Hampshire to
Speaker 3: launch this book just before the New Hampshire primary to
Speaker 3: make sure Chuck, you're wrong. I need to make sure
Speaker 3: you're wrong.
Speaker 2: Well good, I'm happy to hear this because this information
Speaker 2: needs to get out. And I'm looking forward to that
Speaker 2: book from you, because again, you did such a stellar
Speaker 2: job of really putting together the indictment, the moral and
Speaker 2: legal indictment here of the Clintons here in this war
Speaker 2: on Women book. But I do still have this sticking point,
Speaker 2: which is that, you know, remember there was this candidate
Speaker 2: Clinton who did not stand a chance, it seemed, and
Speaker 2: even despite some of the you know, some of the
Speaker 2: scandals erupting at the time, this guy came from behind,
Speaker 2: showed up and turned in second in one of those primaries.
Speaker 2: And you know that's where that phrase got coined, the
Speaker 2: comeback kid, and emerged from seemingly nowhere. And meanwhile, they
Speaker 2: had laid the groundwork for years for al Gore to
Speaker 2: be that man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's true. Let me try to explain it.
Speaker 3: As best as I understand it. Yes, they were the
Speaker 3: same age, and they were very much competitors for the mantle.
Speaker 3: They both recognized that under McGovern the party had lifted
Speaker 3: too far left and they'd lost all the white people.
Speaker 3: They weren't getting any white Democrats. They were mostly voting Republican.
Speaker 3: So they had a party of unions, Hispanics, blacks, and
Speaker 3: old white liberals and Jews. That was the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Clinton was the guy who said, we've got to pull
Speaker 3: back working class white Democrats in the West in the South,
Speaker 3: and he was able to successfully do so. I think
Speaker 3: he was more skillful than al Gore. Al Gore was
Speaker 3: a stiff. Al Gore didn't have the chops or the
Speaker 3: political skills of Bill Clinton, who can be very charming,
Speaker 3: who's a real con man. Al Gore is a guy
Speaker 3: that never had any game none. He was a stiff.
Speaker 3: He made Nixon look you look smooth. He was so
Speaker 3: bad on the stump in three debates with George W. Bush,
Speaker 3: he was three different guys. He couldn't figure out who
Speaker 3: he was. They had no consistency. First he was too tough,
Speaker 3: then he was too soft, and then he maybe he
Speaker 3: was just right it's hard to know. He booted the presidency.
Speaker 3: And I think that in the end, who did George?
Speaker 3: Who did Bill Clinton go to for vice president? This
Speaker 3: is almost unheard of. Arkansas and Tennessee border each other,
Speaker 3: but he goes to al Gore for vice president.
Speaker 2: Right when it comes to a regional you know sort
Speaker 2: of considerations. I mean, you got to consider if you
Speaker 2: got one guy from the South, you generally need another
Speaker 2: guy from the North on the ticket. I mean that's
Speaker 2: just the way of saying the North or the West.
Speaker 3: Because bub has got the South handle. Why do you
Speaker 3: need another Southerner? But he takes up all people, al
Speaker 3: Gore and then of course Gore. He gets the House
Speaker 3: of Cards scenario. Early he understands that Bill is supposed
Speaker 3: to be succeeded not by him, but by Hillary. This
Speaker 3: is why he doesn't ask Clinton to campaign for him.
Speaker 3: Al Gore figured out that his winning was not in
Speaker 3: the Clinton plan. He was the Hillary. I believe Hillary
Speaker 3: that Bill and Hillary Clinton are involved. This is my
Speaker 3: next book. I'm focusing on the death of John F.
Speaker 3: Kennedy Junior, because he was warming up for the US
Speaker 3: Senate seat that Hillary decided to run for, and there
Speaker 3: are many, many, many strange things about his death and
Speaker 3: the flight the mainstream media has not covered correctly. So
Speaker 3: that is the book I'm working on today. Anyway, without
Speaker 3: getting sidetracked, I think al Gore figured out that Hillary
Speaker 3: wanted the presidency and his winning was not in the cards.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Clintons were at all unhappy with
Speaker 3: the election of George W. Bush. After after all, George W.
Speaker 3: Says Bill is like his brother, and that makes Hillary
Speaker 3: his sister in law. As I said earlier, right Barbara
Speaker 3: Bush described Barbara Bush describes Baba as the fifth Bush brother.
Speaker 2: But one thing you do have to give him credit
Speaker 2: for is that he was quite the slick con man,
Speaker 2: because after all, like I say, the public perception of
Speaker 2: the man has not even begun to approach the reality,
Speaker 2: which is, you know this very deep deep.
Speaker 3: Yet that's why I think the Clintons are making a
Speaker 3: giant mistake by putting everything back on the table. And
Speaker 3: that is my point. Everything is on the table. Whitewater Lewinski,
Speaker 3: These epic, horrific, vicious, brutal rapes, drugs, drug trafficking, drug use,
Speaker 3: Hillary's use of private detectives, Hillary's threats, Hillary's profiteering through
Speaker 3: cattle futures, the selling of pardons, the stealing of china,
Speaker 3: furniture and silverware when they left the White House. It's
Speaker 3: all back on the table. The Clintons have decided to
Speaker 3: gamble at all. They could both be destroyed in this campaign.
Speaker 3: I think they will be destroyed in this campaign. You're right.
Speaker 3: People have fond memories and they generally like Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3: That's going to change because he didn't know when to retire.
Speaker 3: He didn't know when to keep grasping for power. As
Speaker 3: he told a very high level Democrat a year ago,
Speaker 3: if I get Hillary in there, I'll be running the show.
Speaker 2: There you go, listen, I'm gonna go to one more
Speaker 2: phone caller here, three one, three are on the air.
Speaker 2: Was Roger Stone.
Speaker 6: Good evening, Chuck, Good evening, mister Stone, greetings. I was
Speaker 6: calling in.
Speaker 5: Because I had a few questions about whether or not
Speaker 5: mister Stone thought that perhaps.
Speaker 6: There could have been other people that might have been
Speaker 6: might have benefited or plotted the assassination rather than Lindon Johnson.
Speaker 4: Is that possible?
Speaker 3: Oh? I not only think it's possible, I make that
Speaker 3: very case. In other words, I think I think Johnson
Speaker 3: was the drum major of of an effort that involved
Speaker 3: the Central Intelligence Agency was upset about both the Bay
Speaker 3: of Pigs and the handling of the Cuban missile crisis,
Speaker 3: in which they believed Kennedy back down because he withdrew
Speaker 3: US missiles from Turkey and Italy, which was classified information
Speaker 3: at the time but was true. You had the mob.
Speaker 3: They had put a million dollars into John Kennedy's campaign
Speaker 3: through his father, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy. They had been
Speaker 3: promised that the new administration would not harass and try
Speaker 3: to deport Santo Trafficante and Carlos Marcello, the two most
Speaker 3: important mobsters of their day. Marcello ran the mob in
Speaker 3: Texas in Louisiana and Trafficante ran the mob in Florida,
Speaker 3: both by the way, major donors to Lyndon Johnson, and
Speaker 3: they were double crossed. When Joe Kennedy was struck and
Speaker 3: was hit with a stroke and was incapacitated, Attorney General
Speaker 3: Robert Kennedy went after both mobsters. That's why they are
Speaker 3: involved Big Texas Oil, which is the funny and seer.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, I make this case in the book
Speaker 3: of the Kennedy assassination. I think that they know they're
Speaker 3: upset about the repeal of the oil depletion allowance, which
Speaker 3: Kennedy's going public on. Lyndon Johnson is the key chief
Speaker 3: water carrier. Now. Johnson has a key connection to each
Speaker 3: one of those. During the fifties, he sits on the
Speaker 3: secret budget committees, is very rare. The Senate Majority leader
Speaker 3: never sits on a committee, but he has the authority
Speaker 3: to appoint himself to a committee. Johnson appointed himself to
Speaker 3: the Subcommittee of the Aerospace and Defense Appropriations, where the
Speaker 3: black box secret budgets of the CIA are handled secretly.
Speaker 3: When he leaves to become Vice president, he ensconces as
Speaker 3: his last act, leaving the Senate. Senator Harry F. Bird
Speaker 3: of Virginia, a close core cohort and loyalist, but who
Speaker 3: is also the cousin of D. H. Bird, the man
Speaker 3: who owns the Texas school Book Depository and the chairman
Speaker 3: of the Lyndon Johnson for President Finance Committee in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 3: So J. Johnson's also being paid by the mob through
Speaker 3: a man by name Jack Helfer. He's being bribed by
Speaker 3: Marcello to tell the the US attorneys in San Antonio, Houston,
Speaker 3: and Dallas to stand down in their investigation to the
Speaker 3: mob's illegal gambling operations. Halfer would later be pardoned by
Speaker 3: Lyndon Johnson, the Bagman, when he was convicted on another crime.
Speaker 3: So everybody's motive is clear. And of course Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 3: is the cheap water carrier for the Texas oil lobby's
Speaker 3: why I think, and his control of the Texas local
Speaker 3: Law enforcement the DA makes him an indispensable person. So
Speaker 3: anyone who says Osta says Stone says it was Johnson
Speaker 3: not the CIA, or Stone says it was Johnson not
Speaker 3: the Mob, That's not what I say. Read my book. Thanks,
Speaker 3: So what do you think of that?
Speaker 2: I mean Johnson being involved, Yes, the the Central Intelligence
Speaker 2: Agency possibly utilizing you know, assets that are Mob related. Actually,
Speaker 2: that sounds a lot more sensible than the way that
Speaker 2: people represent mister Stone's book, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 3: Call it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I haven't had a chance to hear the whole show,
Speaker 6: but I was wondering did anybody mention any of the
Speaker 6: Johnson conversations with Hoover?
Speaker 3: For sure, I think there's been First of all, Johnson,
Speaker 3: remember in the conversations with Hoover. Only Johnson knows he's
Speaker 3: being taped, but Hoover's taking them himself, because these are
Speaker 3: two old bastards who know each other, and Johnson is
Speaker 3: play acting. Go look and listen to it and understand
Speaker 3: the real in Johnson. This is the beauty of Robert
Speaker 3: Carow's three volumes, even though he never mentions Billy Salstess,
Speaker 3: who would later testify under oath that Johnson directed the
Speaker 3: murder of Kennedy. Caro tells you what a consummate actor
Speaker 3: and bs artist and manipulator Lyndon Johnson is. So those
Speaker 3: tapes are all interesting, but Hoover, and Hoover tells Johnson,
Speaker 3: we've got a problem. There's another guy running around saying
Speaker 3: in Mexico City saying he was Oswalt. But it doesn't
Speaker 3: match the guy seen by our agents or viewed on
Speaker 3: the tape. So there's a lot of there's a lot
Speaker 3: of interesting stuff in the Johnson recordings. Johnson, if you
Speaker 3: listen to any of these recordings which are online, he
Speaker 3: is a master of chicanery, lying, thundering, yelling, cajoling, sweet talking, begging, manipulating.
Speaker 3: The tapes are absolutely breathtaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, I note on that note, I do agree with you,
Speaker 6: mister shown. I think that Gwynan Johnson was a villain.
Speaker 6: I just think that there was a lot of I
Speaker 6: think there was a lot of people that had motivations.
Speaker 6: I don't necessarily think question.
Speaker 3: The CIA motivation is clear, The mob motivation is clear.
Speaker 3: I think that those who say that he that Kennedy
Speaker 3: was starting to move with monetary reform, he was challenging
Speaker 3: the legitimacy the FED all completely accurate. The bankers wanted
Speaker 3: Kennedy out. The Central Intelligence Agency thought the communists were
Speaker 3: taking to the cleaners, that he was soft. The defense
Speaker 3: contractors wanted the Vietnam War Oliverstone issue. Everybody's motive is clear,
Speaker 3: but nobody's motive is more acute than Johnson. And here's why.
Speaker 3: He knows that December first Life Magazine's breaking a story
Speaker 3: on his corruption and the millions that he has made.
Speaker 3: He knows the story has been fed to them by
Speaker 3: the Justice Department, and that Johnson is implicated in two
Speaker 3: giant scandals, the Billy Salastie scandal, where Johnson's taking kickbacks
Speaker 3: from Salstice, a Texas wheeler dealer who Johnson has arranged
Speaker 3: to get enormous federal multimillion dollar phony contracts and the
Speaker 3: Bobby Baker scandal. Bobby Baker is the Secretary of the
Speaker 3: US Senate and he's Johnson's bag man. No nothing moves
Speaker 3: in the Senate without a giant cash payoff to good
Speaker 3: Old LBJ and his partner Bobby Baker. Johnson knows that
Speaker 3: the Justice Department is investigating both the FBI is questioning people.
Speaker 3: He knows that Bobby Kennedy is feeding this information to
Speaker 3: Time Life through Henry Loose. He knows that this story
Speaker 3: is going to break December first, and he is the
Speaker 3: cover and it's all over. It's the jail time for
Speaker 3: good Old LBJ. He also knows that the Sunday column
Speaker 3: for Drew Pearson the day after Kennedy was shot, was
Speaker 3: scheduled to be a column that exposed Johnson in taking
Speaker 3: a giant multimillion dollar bribe in the TFX matter where
Speaker 3: he was bribed by General Dynamics, and as Vice president,
Speaker 3: he reached into the Defense Department, reversed the decision and
Speaker 3: delivered this contract to his cronies that was also coming
Speaker 3: home to roost, and he knew it as president. Of course,
Speaker 3: he was able to stop all of those investigations that drew.
Speaker 3: Pearson's story was spiked and was never rescheduled, and Pearson
Speaker 3: can be heard on tape with his nose of Johnson's
Speaker 3: dairy air.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go. What do you think of that?
Speaker 6: Well, once again, I think that you know, Lyndon Johnson
Speaker 6: was definitely a villain, But I'm not sure. I think
Speaker 6: that there are a lot of people that, as mister
Speaker 6: Jung said, there are a lot of people with motivations.
Speaker 6: I just don't think necessarily that Lyndon Johnson might have
Speaker 6: done all the things he did. He might have done
Speaker 6: them also to cover the peripheral crimes that as the
Speaker 6: s own is referring to. I don't think that Johnson
Speaker 6: might have such a clear cut case against Kennedy just
Speaker 6: because yes, he was an actor. But could he have
Speaker 6: accounted for every time in private?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would look at I would someone. I would
Speaker 3: recommend several things. First of all, you need to I
Speaker 3: would recommend you read LBJ The Mastermind by the great
Speaker 3: Phil Nelson, And then I would urge you to read
Speaker 3: this follow up book, Johnson The Colossus, which focus more
Speaker 3: on the post assassination and the cover up. Also excellent
Speaker 3: is Barr McClellan's book, Blood, Money, and Power. Now, these men,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, are giants, and in my book I
Speaker 3: tried to build on their research while at the same
Speaker 3: time giving them full credit and all I ask. And
Speaker 3: I respect folks like Chuck who have a different theory,
Speaker 3: studied it and given it fair consideration. I respect them.
Speaker 3: This is a this is about a discussion. But I
Speaker 3: think if you will read those books and I hopefully mine,
Speaker 3: I'd be honored you will reach the same conclusion I did.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate your questions. They're very good.
Speaker 2: Grank you well, you know, we're just about out of time.
Speaker 2: Thank you for calling in. We're just about out of time.
Speaker 2: And we did go all over the map here. And
Speaker 2: I do appreciate you indulging us, mister Stone, because you're you,
Speaker 2: in and of yourself, are a fascinating character. I mean,
Speaker 2: we could put the books aside and talk about you know,
Speaker 2: just your career and and I would have an enlightening conversation,
Speaker 2: I'm sure. But it is really, really extremely enthralling to
Speaker 2: me that this book right here, which again I'm holding
Speaker 2: in my hands, the Clinton's War on women gives you
Speaker 2: a real serious deep glance into exactly how deep the
Speaker 2: rabbit hole truly goes regarding the multiple conspiratorial things that
Speaker 2: occurred here to bring about the rise to power and
Speaker 2: all of the things that went on after, you know,
Speaker 2: post the rise to power.
Speaker 3: Let's just say, yeah, I think you said it rights.
Speaker 3: It's a crime story. It's the story of the Clinton
Speaker 3: crime Syndicate and then later the Clinton Bush crime Syndicate,
Speaker 3: and it's all there. This is going to be a
Speaker 3: bookend with my next book. In other words, I covered
Speaker 3: the Bush and Clinton conspiring and profiteering in the Clinton's
Speaker 3: War with women, and then I produced additional information in
Speaker 3: the upcoming Jeb and the Bush crime family because their
Speaker 3: bookend stories, they're in it together. And I think that's
Speaker 3: like the major parties. It's one party, the Wall Street Party,
Speaker 3: the big money party, the special interest party, the party
Speaker 3: of endless war and spying on American citizens. It's the
Speaker 3: party of erosion of our civil liberties, millions and million
Speaker 3: dollars of debt. Look, I was excited to see that
Speaker 3: you asked me. I'm a big fan of the show.
Speaker 3: I'm really honored that you had me here. We had
Speaker 3: a really good time and I've enjoyed it well. Again,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 2: I did not know that you even knew I existed, sir,
Speaker 2: but I I.
Speaker 3: Surf around and I listened to I'm an internet guy.
Speaker 3: I love Twitter, I love Facebook. I've seen your stuff
Speaker 3: on Facebook and started picking up some of your shows.
Speaker 3: This has been great and I'd love to be honored
Speaker 3: to come back when the Bush Book comes out talk
Speaker 3: about that week.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we have to do that. Thank you, mister Stone,
Speaker 2: and thank you to all you guys for listening to
Speaker 2: the Ocelli Effect tonight. My guest Roger Stone, and I'm
Speaker 2: telling you right now, I don't often say go get
Speaker 2: the book, but I'm telling you this is an essential
Speaker 2: read if you want to understand the Clinton's war on
Speaker 2: women and a lot more.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time, and thank you again, mister Stone.
Speaker 2: Everybody have a good night.