Speaker 1: Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates
Speaker 1: On tonight's show. We have a very special guest who
Speaker 1: has agreed to take some time out of his busy
Speaker 1: schedule to tell us about his experience with the group
Speaker 1: Nexium n x I V M or i UM that
Speaker 1: has been in the news recently and involves some well
Speaker 1: known Hollywood celebrities Alison mack and was headed by a
Speaker 1: man named Keith Ranieri and out of New York, kind
Speaker 1: of centered in Albany, New York. But this gentleman, his
Speaker 1: name is Frank Parlato. He's done a lot, He's had
Speaker 1: personal experiences with Nexium and also has been writing about
Speaker 1: Nexum four at least three years, notably on his excellent
Speaker 1: blog titled The Frank Report that you can find on
Speaker 1: and he's really kept an eye on this.
Speaker 2: But Frank, are you.
Speaker 3: There, Yes, Sam, William, it is a pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: Excellent, Thank you very much. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I think that this is an important subject and I
Speaker 1: know that you have I've firsthand information about nexium. So
Speaker 1: maybe you could start by just going through your background
Speaker 1: people who don't know you, and how you became within
Speaker 1: the orbit of this group.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm a publicist and a journalist, and I was
Speaker 3: retained by out of the group Nexium, back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and seven to be their publicist. And back in
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, they were just beginning to attract
Speaker 3: some adverse publicity. People in the media were calling them
Speaker 3: a cult, and they denied that deemently and asked if
Speaker 3: I might be able to help them put out some
Speaker 3: stories that would show they were really a life coaching
Speaker 3: success teaching type of company that provided a very special
Speaker 3: educational program.
Speaker 1: Okay, and how did how did your relationship continue after
Speaker 1: twenty two thousand.
Speaker 3: And seven, Well, it started off splendidly. And what I
Speaker 3: did was I moved to Albany to work closely with
Speaker 3: the group. And it was funded by two young ladies,
Speaker 3: Claire and Sarah Broffman. And then they may be familiar
Speaker 3: to some of your listeners as it is a famous
Speaker 3: name connected with the ownership of the Seagrams liquor company.
Speaker 3: And these two heiresses, Claire and Sara, in their early thirties,
Speaker 3: were members of this group Nextium.
Speaker 1: Okay, and they were obviously yes, just gonna say please continue.
Speaker 3: Oh, they were very dedicated to the company, and they
Speaker 3: were funding the company, and they paid my salary, and
Speaker 3: I found them to be very, very sincerely devoted to
Speaker 3: the leader of this group nexting him his name, as
Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, Keith Ranieri, okay.
Speaker 1: And what was he teaching back then in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven, and what was the external kind of you know,
Speaker 1: self help type of materials that he was provided to
Speaker 1: the public.
Speaker 3: He provided a high intensity course that would extend for
Speaker 3: anywhere from five to sixteen days. It was not an
Speaker 3: inexpensive course. It would run anywhere from two thousand to
Speaker 3: twenty thousand dollars, of course, depending on the type of
Speaker 3: course it was. And they were they started at seven am,
Speaker 3: they lasted till ten pm, and they were called intensives.
Speaker 3: And the idea was to teach people certain life skills
Speaker 3: and critical thinking, to look at the world in a
Speaker 3: way that might be a new way of thinking and
Speaker 3: something that would promote their success both on the outside
Speaker 3: and inside, health and financial success. And there was even
Speaker 3: a little taste of spirituality to try to be more ethical,
Speaker 3: more noble person. This is how it was sold on
Speaker 3: the outside.
Speaker 2: And were they well attended, were they well attended.
Speaker 3: No, not well attended, but there was. They searched for
Speaker 3: the type of student, William that was going to be
Speaker 3: a long term kind of a member. So they might
Speaker 3: have ten to thirty people in the class, but since
Speaker 3: they were ten thousand dollars per class courses, they were
Speaker 3: bringing in money.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: And then, how did your public relations relationship continue with Nexium?
Speaker 3: Well, it started off splendidly. I got them. I landed
Speaker 3: some good stories, placed a number of good stories, and
Speaker 3: for the first time they were getting publicity that didn't
Speaker 3: include the word cult. And from the outside, it struck
Speaker 3: me that this group was actually They might be a
Speaker 3: little eccentric, they might have a different point of view,
Speaker 3: but they were entitled to live without being castigated but
Speaker 3: chastised or criticized at every turn. So I began to
Speaker 3: achieve some success for them, and they brought me in
Speaker 3: closer to work on more projects. And I noticed that
Speaker 3: they were a litigious group. They were suing their enemies,
Speaker 3: and there was kind.
Speaker 2: Of who were their enemies at that time?
Speaker 3: Were they ex members, our ex member's ex girlfriend and
Speaker 3: a cultbuster by the name of Rick Ross who had
Speaker 3: publicly condemned them as a cult former consultant by the
Speaker 3: name of Joseph O'Hara, christ Christen Gillibrand's senator Christian Gilibrandt's father,
Speaker 3: Doug Rutney. He settled pretty quickly, so he didn't stand
Speaker 3: the enemy's list. He quickly gave them one hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars and ducked out of the scene.
Speaker 2: I see, and so then so you realized that they
Speaker 2: were a litigious group, and this was being funded by
Speaker 2: the two bron Bronfman's sisters correct.
Speaker 3: Right at more than a million dollars a month in
Speaker 3: legal feeste. So I advised them, I said, look, all
Speaker 3: of these litigation matters are not going to be very
Speaker 3: productive for a group that's trying to say it's not
Speaker 3: a cult and a group that's trying to say we're
Speaker 3: a positive life coaching company. Right, they didn't seem to
Speaker 3: interest in that, so I urged them to settle, and
Speaker 3: then I before we really got too much further, they
Speaker 3: came to the surprise one day, just after I had
Speaker 3: been publicized a concert that featured Alison mac Kristin Kruk
Speaker 3: and Nicky Klein in Albany. Uh. They came to me
Speaker 3: the high rank of Nexium Ranieri and his chief lieutenant
Speaker 3: at the time, Nancy Salzman. And in fact, they said,
Speaker 3: we need five million dollars for a project that we're
Speaker 3: doing out in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 2: Let's see what was that? What was that project?
Speaker 3: Well, it was strange and it got a stranger. The
Speaker 3: five million dollars they needed was for a real estate
Speaker 3: project in Los Angeles, California. Keith had been guiding the
Speaker 3: Brockmon sisters in a Los Angeles project to build million
Speaker 3: dollars plus homes in Los Angeles County on side lots okay,
Speaker 3: and I was a little surprised that the Bronmans would
Speaker 3: need me to fund them. And that's when I discovered
Speaker 3: that the Brothmans had sustained some very substantial losses.
Speaker 2: And what were those losses pertaining to Well.
Speaker 3: They were Keith's guided investments in retrospect. I realized now
Speaker 3: he was swindling them, but at the time I thought
Speaker 3: that there was just some blunders. I went to California
Speaker 3: to check out the project, and I found that there
Speaker 3: was ten million dollars that had been invested out of
Speaker 3: a total twenty six million that never made it into
Speaker 3: the project. Looking a little farther, I noticed that the
Speaker 3: properties that they had a purchased weren't even in their name.
Speaker 3: So I quickly confronted Ranieri's partner and persuaded him to
Speaker 3: sign over the properties to the Brothmans. And then I
Speaker 3: recovered the other ten million dollars. So I recovered twenty
Speaker 3: six million dollars for the Brothmans, and I was wondering
Speaker 3: where the other sixty five million dollars that was missing
Speaker 3: went to, and they informed me they had invested in
Speaker 3: commodities under keys direction, in the commodities market and all
Speaker 3: sixty five million dollars had disappeared.
Speaker 1: Wow, did you believe that that's true, that that disappearance
Speaker 1: into the so called commodities market? Is that authentic loss?
Speaker 1: Or could that have been some type of laundering?
Speaker 3: It was some kind of laundering that these two Brafman
Speaker 3: sisters got swindled out of their money. Vernieri laundered it
Speaker 3: from them to from them to him. But what and
Speaker 3: this is what got me fired, is I I approached
Speaker 3: Claire Brofman and they, after all, were paying my salary
Speaker 3: at Ranieri, and I said to Claire, you know, he
Speaker 3: sixty five million dollars has been lost in the commodities markets.
Speaker 3: I did an investigation. I recovered twenty six million dollars
Speaker 3: for you. I think I'll start an investigation and let
Speaker 3: me see if I can recover some of the sixty
Speaker 3: five million. And I said, do you know for a
Speaker 3: fact where the sixty five million went? Did you Did
Speaker 3: you invest in orange features or wheat or cotton? And
Speaker 3: she says, I know nothing. I trust Keith. He handles everything.
Speaker 2: Smile. That's remarkable.
Speaker 3: If I said, you're well, somepose we look into it.
Speaker 3: And she said, well, I know what happened to the money,
Speaker 3: and what's that? And she said, my father, Edgar Brofman Senior.
Speaker 3: He was the head of the World Chewish Congress and
Speaker 3: the CEO formerly of Seagrams, a billionaire. She said, my father,
Speaker 3: he is so against me being with Keith that he
Speaker 3: manipulated the entire commodities market to uh divests divests of
Speaker 3: this money. That's what Keith said, And Keith would know.
Speaker 1: I see, wow, So that's kind of like a cult
Speaker 1: technique to alienate the children from.
Speaker 2: The parents too, right, do you think that? Okay? That
Speaker 2: sounds like that to me. I don't know. Wow.
Speaker 1: So there's a significant amount of money floating around? And
Speaker 1: do you think that that investment in Los Angeles was
Speaker 1: also another, you know, laundering scheme to swindle the Broton sisters.
Speaker 3: I most certainly do. And I spoiled Keith. I spoiled
Speaker 3: Keith's plan by swooping down and investigating it so quickly.
Speaker 3: He had to, of course, pretend that he was on
Speaker 3: my side. As I recovered this money for the Brothmans.
Speaker 3: What could he say?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: But he thought to get rid of me. And get
Speaker 3: rid of me he did. When I began to look
Speaker 3: deeply into the sixty five million dollars lost in commodities,
Speaker 3: he fired me. And he had enough sway over his
Speaker 3: gullible Brockman sisters that they supported that firing.
Speaker 1: Did you get paid through next to him? Or were
Speaker 1: you paid individually from the Bronkman sisters?
Speaker 3: Was paid by.
Speaker 2: That's even that, okay? And then so now now you've
Speaker 2: been fired.
Speaker 1: This is two thousand and seven, corrector two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: And Kristin Kroig and Alison Mack and I guess this
Speaker 1: woman who's supposedly Alison Mack's girlfriend, Nikki Klein.
Speaker 2: Were married. Were all involved even back then in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: Yes, they were very involved.
Speaker 1: Okay, so they've had at least ten years or some
Speaker 1: kind of involvement. However, Alison Mac definitely ten years. So
Speaker 1: that five million they wanted from you, and and then
Speaker 1: you got fired, and then and then what happened.
Speaker 3: Well, I was prepared to go my own way and
Speaker 3: just to complete the sure when I recovered the twenty
Speaker 3: six million dollars they there was we made it. We
Speaker 3: made a contractual arrangement that I would help them develop
Speaker 3: the properties. This is before I was fired, and there
Speaker 3: was certain financial arrangements made when I was fired. Uh,
Speaker 3: Keith and Area said, I want all of the money
Speaker 3: back that you were paid and the bonus that you
Speaker 3: were paid for recovering the twenty six million. You're done.
Speaker 3: And you're not only done, you're returning all of the money.
Speaker 3: And if you don't return the money, you're going to
Speaker 3: have a legal battle. You won't believe. And I have
Speaker 3: a lot more money to spend than you do.
Speaker 2: I see. And so did that eventually lead to a lawsuit?
Speaker 3: I was most assuredly did. And we were thick in
Speaker 3: We're thick in the battle of fighting.
Speaker 2: And still to this day twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although he's been slightly hampered now that he sits
Speaker 3: in the Brooklyn Metropolitan Detention Center.
Speaker 1: Well right, so, well said, so, I mean, just for
Speaker 1: the public that they don't know. Keith Ranieri and Alison
Speaker 1: Mack were arrested in Mexico. Well, actually, Ranieri was arrested
Speaker 1: first in Mexico and then Alison Mack. I don't know
Speaker 1: where they found her. Was she in New York or
Speaker 1: did they arrest her in Mexico?
Speaker 2: Extra died from Mexico.
Speaker 3: She was arrested in Brooklyn, Brooklyn.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so she was in Brooklyn and then she
Speaker 1: paid a five million dollar bail, got an ankle bracelet.
Speaker 1: I think she was seen in California yesterday or the
Speaker 1: day before and is under house arrest.
Speaker 2: In Raniery.
Speaker 1: I think he was denied bail and I think his
Speaker 1: hearing was today, Is that correct?
Speaker 3: No, it was postponed till next week, next Friday. So
Speaker 3: he has not made a bail application and it's not
Speaker 3: believed that he could attain bail because he number one,
Speaker 3: he fled to Mexico and number two, he's charged with
Speaker 3: ex trafficking. It's his Uh, you know, he presents a
Speaker 3: I think most people's minds and probably in any judge's mind,
Speaker 3: a very clear danger to the community.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw that the US attorney wrote for a very
Speaker 1: compelling argument for why he should not be let out
Speaker 1: on any bill. I think that I'll be surprised if
Speaker 1: they let him out if he's already fled to Mexico.
Speaker 3: So it would be a judge who was willing to
Speaker 3: risk being defract because I think Ranieri would probably if
Speaker 3: he ever get out of prison, I think he would
Speaker 3: find or try with the Brotman money to flee to
Speaker 3: a non extra guiding country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I think that I
Speaker 2: think he was.
Speaker 1: He was arrested on three different charges, but there may
Speaker 1: be additional charges for that guy. There may be more
Speaker 1: trouble as long I know that the attorneys or the
Speaker 1: FBI sent out a notice looking for any additional victims
Speaker 1: of Vernieri.
Speaker 2: So there may be other people talking and talking.
Speaker 1: She probably if she's been in the group for ten years,
Speaker 1: she probably knows, you know, quite a bit more than
Speaker 1: the public.
Speaker 3: She knows quite a bit. And I have provided the
Speaker 3: authorities with a large cachet of financial tax of asion,
Speaker 3: bult cache, smuggling, foreign corrupt practices, double sets of bookkeeping,
Speaker 3: illegal immigration kind of fraud. So I've given them an
Speaker 3: ident of decess. I've given them a large cachet. And
Speaker 3: of course I don't want to take credit to this.
Speaker 3: FBI in New York City has done their own independent investigations,
Speaker 3: and I believe there will be superseding indictments.
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, I would agree, definitely agree with that.
Speaker 1: So Alison Mack, they go back ten years, what's been
Speaker 1: what what happened in the interim before you started kind
Speaker 1: of blogging intensely in twenty fifteen and when you were
Speaker 1: left the group in twenty two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: I tried, I went on my own when you know,
Speaker 3: I went my own way, I should say I hoped
Speaker 3: to just avoid I was prepared. I set aside the
Speaker 3: money that I was given as a bonus, which you
Speaker 3: know was one million dollars, recovered twenty six million dollars,
Speaker 3: and I was not disproportionate to Braffman's mind or Rnieri's
Speaker 3: mind at the time when I was rescuing a real
Speaker 3: estate projected to conmuck covered twenty six million dollars in asset.
Speaker 2: It's less than five percent, less than five.
Speaker 3: Percent, right, So then you know, as I said, when
Speaker 3: I left Rahier, he wanted all of the money back,
Speaker 3: every penny I'd been paid, and I refused to do it.
Speaker 3: I put the money in escro and I awaited the day,
Speaker 3: ever when they would assue me, which of course they did.
Speaker 3: That's a long story, but the upshot of it is
Speaker 3: is that when I saw how egregiously they perjured themselves,
Speaker 3: it then became necessary for me to expose this cult
Speaker 3: for what it really was, alling criminal organization. And at
Speaker 3: the time I did not truly realize how despicable they were.
Speaker 3: I didn't know, for example, that Ranieri was a pedophile.
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't know that at the time that
Speaker 3: he had sex waves. I knew he had a hearn,
Speaker 3: but it seemed to me that essensual and if people
Speaker 3: and women and men are comfortable in their relationships, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to judge them. Well, I didn't know then
Speaker 3: about the pedophilia. I didn't know then about the branding
Speaker 3: or the blackmail.
Speaker 2: Right, the collateral what do you call the collateral?
Speaker 3: What he calls the collateral life.
Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting, I mean, that's the interesting thing about
Speaker 1: Vernier is he seems to have dodged getting arrested for
Speaker 1: pedophilia going back fifteen twenty years. His business before Nexium
Speaker 1: was what is it something by online? What was the
Speaker 1: name of it was consumer Byeline?
Speaker 2: Is that right? That?
Speaker 1: Consumers byline, Consumer's byline. So that was kind of a
Speaker 1: multi level marketing scheme that.
Speaker 2: He he was.
Speaker 1: I think he had to pay out certain things after
Speaker 1: there was a criminal investigation, for my memory serves me correct,
Speaker 1: So then he went.
Speaker 3: From that, Yeah, he had to say it fine, that's right.
Speaker 1: But I think that multi level marketing mentality morphed into
Speaker 1: the next iteration of what that was is into nexiums.
Speaker 1: So you have this kind of mark he's he's claimed Ornier,
Speaker 1: he's claimed to have like a two forty IQ and
Speaker 1: that he, you know, could speak in full sentences when
Speaker 1: he was once. So he has this kind of personal
Speaker 1: mythology that's very similar to l Ron Hubbard's. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some very dark stuff that was going on in
Speaker 1: Nexium that I mean, there's and you've put it in
Speaker 1: your articles, or at least two girls who came forward
Speaker 1: about their testimony that he statutorily raped them so I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's gonna be brought up in this
Speaker 1: criminal you know this in twenty eighteen, but those women
Speaker 1: have been on the record, and I read and I
Speaker 1: think it was in one of your articles that he
Speaker 1: had fifty seven women as his slave.
Speaker 2: Is that correct? At least at least okay?
Speaker 1: And I found it interesting too that he he tried
Speaker 1: to make it as a multi level marketing seem his
Speaker 1: whole sex slavery thing, where he would have broke it
Speaker 1: down into six sixty six, a very odious, you know,
Speaker 1: scary number, but he said, you know it was him.
Speaker 1: Then he would have six slaves and each one of
Speaker 1: them would get six, and so it would you know,
Speaker 1: pyramid eye out there in a kind of pyramidal structure.
Speaker 1: But he had this thing called dos the val and
Speaker 1: in Latin it was Dominus obsequious cerrorium or master over
Speaker 1: slaved women.
Speaker 2: Can you talk more about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It's kind of an interesting it's kind
Speaker 3: of a very fascinating evolution of Ranieri's life in his
Speaker 3: his need to both control people and satiate his sexual appetite.
Speaker 3: He priorily he had a harem and when I was there,
Speaker 3: it appeared to me that the harem was mainly voluntary.
Speaker 3: He preferred women that were very slender with long hairy
Speaker 3: did not allow women to cut their hair, and they
Speaker 3: if they gained one or two or three pounds, they
Speaker 3: would be put on the sidelines, temporary really kicked out
Speaker 3: or out of the harm until they lost their weight again.
Speaker 3: So you were a five foot five inch woman and
Speaker 3: you were more than one hundred pounds, you were to
Speaker 3: be punished. And many a woman were punished for gaining
Speaker 3: one or two excess pounds and literally shunned. But at
Speaker 3: least they were voluntary at the time, or you know,
Speaker 3: if you believe in brainwashing, they were semi brainwashed, but
Speaker 3: not violently coerced or blackmailed into doing this. Somewhere along
Speaker 3: the line, he probably around twenty fifteen, he was losing
Speaker 3: his ability to get voluntary women who were in their
Speaker 3: twenties to want to be with this fifty five year
Speaker 3: old cult leader, and so he devised a new method
Speaker 3: which would get his slaves present slaves to move forward,
Speaker 3: to bring in new slaves of the young and tender
Speaker 3: age type and get them in where they were there
Speaker 3: was blackmail worthing material hanging over their heads so that
Speaker 3: they could be indoctrinated as his sex slaves and couldn't
Speaker 3: ever leave.
Speaker 2: Right. So that was kind of the whole invention of
Speaker 2: this collateral notion, is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Partly, and also yeah, to have young slaves, to
Speaker 3: continue to have young slaves, and also to create a
Speaker 3: system where he could use his coercive methods without having
Speaker 3: to make any significant effort to woo cajole flatter court.
Speaker 3: He would just give the orders and the girls would
Speaker 3: have to obey.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So Alison Mack, I think they just came out of
Speaker 1: vanity fair that she in her attempt to recruit women.
Speaker 1: I think she went after Emma Watson, Kelly Clarkson, some
Speaker 1: other people that you know, and and and and it
Speaker 1: seemed like that it was the cell of the sugar
Speaker 1: coated cell that to get into this group that is,
Speaker 1: you know, self help.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. I think part of his group was
Speaker 2: that DOS or the Vow was a woman's only.
Speaker 1: Club, right, So isn't that what they said to the
Speaker 1: external outside world is that this is like a women's club.
Speaker 3: It's safe, it's safe, there's no men in this. But
Speaker 3: there was just one man.
Speaker 1: In it one man, and he required all of the
Speaker 1: women to be celibate too, right, so they couldn't. They
Speaker 1: weren't supposed to date anything anybody but Keith Raniering, if
Speaker 1: I remember correctly, that's.
Speaker 3: Always that was always his policy, from his days of
Speaker 3: a voluntary him was the he could sleep with any woman,
Speaker 3: but they all had to be only with him because he,
Speaker 3: he taught his spiritual energies were so subtle, profound and intense,
Speaker 3: is that if any other man's vibration touched these women,
Speaker 3: it would could affect him in such a negative way
Speaker 3: that he could in fact die.
Speaker 2: Oh right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I mean I think he told I think he told
Speaker 1: one girl if I wrote it down, was he told
Speaker 1: her their union would make her see a blue light.
Speaker 1: I think I got that from your blog or one
Speaker 1: of the post things you had. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: spirit the experience transference of godlike energy was another phrase.
Speaker 1: So he uh, he definitely had his lines with the women.
Speaker 3: Yes he was. And he promised them all motherhood and
Speaker 3: it told him to keep it a secret, but each
Speaker 3: of them he promised that they would have his avatar child.
Speaker 2: Right, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: And then there was one I think there was a
Speaker 1: semi famous Christiana Logan who possibly has his child. She
Speaker 1: was one of the terminators in one of the later
Speaker 1: Terminator films. But she has a child, possibly by Byronary.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Well, it's certainly a possibility. You can't rule it out.
Speaker 3: She's never identified who the child is. It's known, and
Speaker 3: you know, we're like, we both to be sued for this,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna. I'm gonna I've already been threatened by her, okay,
Speaker 3: but the truth is the defense. But the answer is, yes,
Speaker 3: she's known to be a member of the group, and
Speaker 3: yes she has a child. She had the child. She
Speaker 3: has not identified who the father is.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it's Ni's father.
Speaker 1: Just with speculation, pure speculation.
Speaker 3: You're not alone, and that you're not alone because many
Speaker 3: people in the cult have told me that that's what
Speaker 3: they believe. Whether it's true or not, a DNA test
Speaker 3: could provide us with.
Speaker 1: There were there other members of the Harems or the
Speaker 1: groups or doss who also had children Byronaris, you know.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's curious because because because of the he
Speaker 3: had one child in two thousand and six and he
Speaker 3: did not want to admit to the group that that
Speaker 3: was his child, so he created an elaborate lie and
Speaker 3: he denied the fatherhood of his own child. There was
Speaker 3: probably eight or ten abortions. And in the first time
Speaker 3: you ever done, I'm sorry, I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say, the group has its own doctor, Isn't
Speaker 1: that right? There was a doctor associated with a group. Okay,
Speaker 1: Then the Brandon Porter I remember, I think is one.
Speaker 3: There's doctor Brandon Porter, and then there is doctor Danielle Roberts.
Speaker 3: Doctor Roberts is the woman that did the actual physical branding,
Speaker 3: human branding of the women I.
Speaker 1: See, And that was the that was putting in these
Speaker 1: initials on I mean, according to some of the stuff
Speaker 1: you wrote on your blog, it was very close to
Speaker 1: their their genitals, I mean, the female genitals, not far
Speaker 1: away at all, Like yeah, because what's publicized is that
Speaker 1: it looks like, yeah, it's close to like the belt
Speaker 1: line of their body, you know.
Speaker 2: But some of those wow, that's pretty scary and painful.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, the Venieri's ego maniacal nature required the branding
Speaker 3: of women with his initials on their pubic region.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's remarkable, I mean. And then yeah, and then
Speaker 1: there's others, so he had this harem. He's also I
Speaker 1: think I remember seeing on a video he said I've
Speaker 1: had people killed because of my beliefs or because of
Speaker 1: their beliefs in two thousand and nine that was posted
Speaker 1: on YouTube. Has there been any type of have you
Speaker 1: heard of anything about threatening language or anything like that?
Speaker 3: He's always a threatener And I believe William that at
Speaker 3: least two women were killed by him.
Speaker 1: And what do you want? It was a Christian Sneider
Speaker 1: and Gina Hutchinson. Are those the names?
Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct, So let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about Kristin Sneyder. She was in.
Speaker 1: The odd thing about the group is that it's headquartered
Speaker 1: in Albany, but it also has a Mexico arm There's
Speaker 1: some things going on in Alaska, California.
Speaker 2: Does that sound right? Are there any other outposts?
Speaker 3: Yes? So an outpost will spring up anywhere they could
Speaker 3: get it. Vancouver, Los Angeles, San Francisco in their hey day,
Speaker 3: Mexico City, Luadalajara, Leone, Monterey, New Zealand, Australia, London, any
Speaker 3: place where several people would gather to learn, they would
Speaker 3: try to get a center going. Some were more successful
Speaker 3: than others some were just for the occasional course. Kristin
Speaker 3: Snyder was a lesbian woman who started taking the courses
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two. And Ranieri always had a
Speaker 3: theory that he could do what do they call that
Speaker 3: conversion therapy somebody, and he was. He was fascinated with
Speaker 3: the idea of converting lesbian women to heterosexual women through
Speaker 3: the power in his savoir faire and his mentoring in
Speaker 3: the bedroom. And he took on Kristen's and rather surprised her.
Speaker 3: He told her he would teach her, and it wound
Speaker 3: up going into the bedroom and the next thing she
Speaker 3: knew she was pregnant. I see a gay woman who
Speaker 3: got pregnant by surprise.
Speaker 1: And she had wasn't she have like a living girlfriend
Speaker 1: or was she married? I don't recollect that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was actually married. She had gone through I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was a legally recognized marriage, but
Speaker 3: she had gone through a ceremony and she recognized her
Speaker 3: her mate as her her spouse, and she didn't know
Speaker 3: how to break the news to her spouse that she
Speaker 3: was pregnant with the leader of this group that both
Speaker 3: her and her spouse were attending classes for She then
Speaker 3: started to reveal this secret here and there, and when
Speaker 3: it reached the peak where she was telling other people
Speaker 3: in the Nexium community, she one day disappeared, never found again,
Speaker 3: and the authorities in Alaska very curiously rushed to the
Speaker 3: conclusion that she had committed suicide and her body had disappeared.
Speaker 2: I think their position was she was a kayaker. She
Speaker 2: took a kayak out onto an inlet of the ocean
Speaker 2: and then flipped it over and committed suicide, which is very.
Speaker 3: Strange, very strange. Your body was never found. There's many
Speaker 3: more curious and suspicious circumstances surrounding this whole disappearance that
Speaker 3: has never been fully It's a cold case waiting to
Speaker 3: be reopened. It had become quite cold because Ranieri had
Speaker 3: moved on. But now that things have changed and he's
Speaker 3: in jail, he's less of the I think the Brafmann
Speaker 3: spent more than six hundred thousand dollars covering up this
Speaker 3: crime for Ranieri.
Speaker 2: And how did they spend that money? Where did it
Speaker 2: go to?
Speaker 3: Well? I know they hired some supposedly x CIA agents
Speaker 3: to handle the Kristen Snyder matter, and the main idea
Speaker 3: was to I think first of all, persuade the Alaskan
Speaker 3: authorities that she was suicidal. There was nothing, There was
Speaker 3: nothing to investigate. And then there was a a new twist,
Speaker 3: which was Kristen Snyder was supposedly alive and hiding somewhere
Speaker 3: in various different She was spotted much like Elvis, spotted
Speaker 3: in different cities. And of course she never really was
Speaker 3: identified by anybody. I'm convinced, so is her sister, so's
Speaker 3: her mother, so is her former spouse, that she is that,
Speaker 3: and she was murdered. Well, nobody knows for sure. But
Speaker 3: one troubling thing happened. The last person to see her
Speaker 3: alive told me. She said, for fifteen years, this has
Speaker 3: been on my conscience and I finally have to tell somebody.
Speaker 3: I was the last person to see her alive. And
Speaker 3: there's no way that she was in a condition on
Speaker 3: the day that she disappeared. To drive four hours from Anchorage,
Speaker 3: Alaska to Seward, Alaska and Resurrection day, steal a kayak,
Speaker 3: take it out in the water, paddle it out without
Speaker 3: a coat or anything in February in Alaska, and pre
Speaker 3: hip her she knew over. I don't believe she could
Speaker 3: have possibly done the deeds that the police concluded she
Speaker 3: did it physically, she would have been incapable of doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a hyper sketchy story, Kristen Snyder. And the
Speaker 1: other one was Gina Hutchinson now was in New York?
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 2: And can you tell more about that fuck?
Speaker 3: Gina Hutchinson was a statutorily raped girlfriend of Keith n Airy.
Speaker 3: When Keith was a young rapist of three twenty five
Speaker 3: years of age, he snatched Gina from a life of
Speaker 3: high school and moving forward in her own little world,
Speaker 3: in her own life. He promised to marry her. She
Speaker 3: was fifteen. He raped her, Then he raped her her friend,
Speaker 3: and then some of her other friends. And one day
Speaker 3: she found out that he had a whole harem of
Speaker 3: fourteen or fifteen year old girls. It shocked her, depressed her.
Speaker 3: She wanted to leave. He kept her in. He promised
Speaker 3: her babies and a new life, and she hung in.
Speaker 3: She hung out. She hated being in the harem, but
Speaker 3: he had his methods of keeping her in. She of
Speaker 3: course became a young lady and then a woman, and
Speaker 3: at the age of thirty, she began to be a
Speaker 3: little rebellious with Keith Ranieri, and he brought her into
Speaker 3: town and had a chat with her. She seemed to
Speaker 3: be perturbed. She took a hotel near Ranieri's house, and
Speaker 3: five very slender women, one of them a little older
Speaker 3: than the rest, made a visit to her the night
Speaker 3: before she was to die. And I'm not sure precisely
Speaker 3: what the purpose of their their visit late at night
Speaker 3: at the hotel. But the next day she disappeared, and
Speaker 3: the following day her body was found in Woodstock, New York.
Speaker 3: She had been shot in the head once again. The
Speaker 3: authorities concluded that she had pulled a trigger on herself,
Speaker 3: based in large part on evidence that Ranieri's women gave
Speaker 3: that the woman, Gina Hutchinson, was quite unsettled, but I
Speaker 3: believe that he either killed her, had or kill or
Speaker 3: talked her into committing suicide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really unusual.
Speaker 1: Very men and women when they tried, when they decide
Speaker 1: to end their lives, go through the process in very
Speaker 1: different ways.
Speaker 2: And women almost never use a gun.
Speaker 1: So whenever you hear about a woman shooting herself really unlikely,
Speaker 1: just off the top of my head, But she was
Speaker 1: found on the water too. Was she found in the
Speaker 1: water or on the river on the water bank.
Speaker 3: She was found alongside a pond in Woodstock, near a
Speaker 3: Buddhist temple that she would often go to hide from
Speaker 3: Ranieri when he was particularly brutal.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3: Know for the fact that they were both murdered, but
Speaker 3: I think that he had a hand in their depths,
Speaker 3: and there may be others we don't even know about.
Speaker 1: Have you followed any of the posts about Nexium on
Speaker 1: the website Crazy Days and Nights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been.
Speaker 1: They've been reporting a lot on NEXIM and Alison Mack
Speaker 1: and they've had some very incredible I mean, they actually
Speaker 1: predicted Weinstein and Kevin Spacey and before they you know,
Speaker 1: everything was aut it. But they've said some very stuff,
Speaker 1: terrifying stuff about that whole group that I'm not I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about in public, but I'll talk
Speaker 1: to you offline. But it's if those are true stories,
Speaker 1: it's very.
Speaker 2: Very dark the underneath the cover of Nexium, it's some
Speaker 2: very dark stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, there's nothing dark that Nieri would embrace. I tend
Speaker 3: to doubt because I'm pretty close to a lot of
Speaker 3: the defectors. I tend to doubt there was any wide
Speaker 3: scale Pizzagate, pedal Gate or like there was a major
Speaker 3: trafficking thing, but we can't rule it out entirely. His
Speaker 3: connections with the Mexican upper level elite, conspiratorial drug running
Speaker 3: pedophiles is established.
Speaker 1: Right, but he I mean one of the people in
Speaker 1: his group was the son of a former president, right,
Speaker 1: Emiliano Salinas So who came out in quis more than one, okay,
Speaker 1: but also there was connection. There's connections between them and
Speaker 1: bringing in I can't remember the story. I think I
Speaker 1: read it in yours about somebody being up in Albany
Speaker 1: who was an illegal immigrant.
Speaker 2: Right, So they're like bringing many yeah.
Speaker 3: Many, many, many many cases of legal immigrants taken from
Speaker 3: Mexico's traffic. There were children that were brought in who
Speaker 3: were eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old, that had curious
Speaker 3: circumstances and then were rushed out of Albany. There were
Speaker 3: women in prison from Mexico. So many many stories. It's
Speaker 3: only the tip of the iceberg. How widespread, how commercial
Speaker 3: it was, I don't know. Much of it seemed to
Speaker 3: be just to pander to Ranieri's own enormous manipulative sexual.
Speaker 1: Predatory desires, so he didn't have like an inside group
Speaker 1: like some of these other cult leaders of men. It
Speaker 1: seems like almost everybody on this list is I mean,
Speaker 1: there's maybe a few men. It seems like more like,
Speaker 1: you know, seventy five percent women, twenty five percent men.
Speaker 3: I would say it's maybe eighty twenty. At one time
Speaker 3: there was a group of men who were paying fees
Speaker 3: to learn from them from Ranieri, and they were called
Speaker 3: the Society of Protectors. After I broke my story about
Speaker 3: the branding, because that had been withheld from the men.
Speaker 3: When I broke the story back in June twenty and seventeen,
Speaker 3: less than a year ago, the men, almost every man
Speaker 3: quit the organization.
Speaker 1: Wow, And they had funny they have different nicknames inside,
Speaker 1: like Ranieri's Vanguard, his second in command is or Nancy
Speaker 1: Salzman's Prefect, like there's all. Did they all have internal
Speaker 1: like gang almost like gang names?
Speaker 3: No, noneer. He might give him a nickname. He called
Speaker 3: one woman yeah, in another k and so forth. But
Speaker 3: only two of them had official names. Rnier himself, who
Speaker 3: is you said, was named Vanguard and Nancy Salzman, who
Speaker 3: was his useful idiot purported second in command but really
Speaker 3: just the stooge. She was called prefect.
Speaker 2: What and she's I mean I think he wrote she
Speaker 2: was a hypnotist and neurolinguistics programming expert. How much of
Speaker 2: that do you see integrated into nexim and Keith Ranieri's behavior.
Speaker 3: Constant, consistent, universally used, and when that doesn't work, he
Speaker 3: uses coercion.
Speaker 2: I see. So he's definitely using NLP, you think.
Speaker 3: And and Nancy that was what attracted uh him to
Speaker 3: her because she is a expert at it and she's
Speaker 3: completely obedient to his ever crazier demands.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. And I saw that you wrote something about
Speaker 2: a technique that Whennier he would use, that was that
Speaker 2: Hubbard would use as well. This whole confusion what do
Speaker 2: you call it? The confusion approach?
Speaker 3: Right? All right?
Speaker 1: So like like flip somebody's desires come back with something else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's really the parallels between scientology and this
Speaker 1: group seemed to be pretty pronounced, I mean, pretty obvious.
Speaker 3: Uh. He was critiquely influenced by Scientology, and he even
Speaker 3: hijack the number of their terms like suppressive and parasite.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Maybe what we can talk about too, is all of
Speaker 1: the I mean, he seems to have wanted kind of
Speaker 1: like Scientology get celebrities involved. Scientology has that celebrity center.
Speaker 1: So he has a lot of celebrities and also wealthy
Speaker 1: people and people of political you know power. I mean
Speaker 1: you want to go through some of these lists, like
Speaker 1: the Carlo Selenas or other people. There was Rosa Junco
Speaker 1: who was this daughter of a billionaire.
Speaker 3: Right right. Well he you know, there was three types
Speaker 3: of recruits that he had an interest in. Wealthy people
Speaker 3: are powerful people, attractive women, and then he did like
Speaker 3: the worker bees, a woman or even a man didn't
Speaker 3: necessarily have to be a spectacularly good looking person or
Speaker 3: even wealthy if they were going to work full time
Speaker 3: for no pay or little or no pay for the cult.
Speaker 3: So the powerful and rich included, of course, first and
Speaker 3: foremost the brothman sisters. Is they would give him any
Speaker 3: amount of money, and they would do any destructive thing
Speaker 3: he asked them to do, whether it was sue a
Speaker 3: person that perjured themselves in court, file false criminal charges,
Speaker 3: pay for private investigators to hunt down enemies and find
Speaker 3: where they were in.
Speaker 2: Hiding theology playbook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, then there was the murderous son of the murderous father.
Speaker 3: Carlos sealinis former president of Mexico and the world's maybe
Speaker 3: most dangerous criminal who heads up the drug cartels that
Speaker 3: feed the nation, this nation with drugs. His son, Emiliano
Speaker 3: is an ardent member and despite his protestations, despite the
Speaker 3: fact that he says now that Rahnier has been arrested
Speaker 3: that he has abandoned the company, that's just a facade.
Speaker 3: He's still in hook Line and Sinker.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: And then there was also a DC socialite, daughter of
Speaker 1: d C socialites, Pam Kafritz too, so there's connections there
Speaker 1: to DC and she's passed away. One of the interesting
Speaker 1: stories is her Ranieri believes that it wanted to cryogenically
Speaker 1: freeze two of his former members. Is that too true?
Speaker 3: At least two? Yeah, both Pam and Pam Kayfritz and
Speaker 3: Barbara Jeski. Yeah, that's They wanted just's body. The family
Speaker 3: wouldn't give it. They asked for just her head. Vreni
Speaker 3: wanted just to head. He was denied. But in the
Speaker 3: case of Kafritz, he did get her body. He kept
Speaker 3: it for a fact, he kept her after she died
Speaker 3: in a bathtub with ice while he made arrangements to
Speaker 3: cryogenically freeze her.
Speaker 2: So do you know at this time if she's in
Speaker 2: the cryogenica freeze place.
Speaker 3: I suspect that she is. I do not know that
Speaker 3: for a fact. Her death was a mysterious death too,
Speaker 3: and he may have taken certain actions to expedite her
Speaker 3: death because he had control of some of her money.
Speaker 2: Interesting, so that would prevent her from getting treatment.
Speaker 3: Correct, he took over her medical care.
Speaker 2: Well, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: So another thing that was interesting is somehow he was
Speaker 1: able to get the Dalai Lama or Dalai Lama to
Speaker 1: go to New York.
Speaker 2: Is that correct?
Speaker 3: That is true. I was there when the original arrangements
Speaker 3: were made.
Speaker 2: What were those arrangements?
Speaker 3: One million dollars paid to the Dalai Lama.
Speaker 1: Interesting, so the Dalai Lama took that money and what
Speaker 1: was the whole How did that meeting you know play out?
Speaker 3: Well, when I was originally asked about the wisdom of this,
Speaker 3: I advised against it because I didn't think it would
Speaker 3: make a good fit. But Claire and Keith it ordered
Speaker 3: Claire and Sarah to to get the Dalai Lama and
Speaker 3: have the Dalai Lama come and endorse him as a
Speaker 3: great teacher of ethics. In the Dalai Lama, you know,
Speaker 3: in a constant need for money, accepted the million and
Speaker 3: he began. It began well enough, but then a backfired
Speaker 3: as the press started crying foul. This was after I
Speaker 3: was fired. I wasn't there too, I wasn't being listened to,
Speaker 3: and I wasn't there to help. They get crucified in
Speaker 3: the press. That Dalai Lama received quite a bit of criticism.
Speaker 3: With the gist of the criticism, why would Dali Lama
Speaker 3: be endorsing a cult he backed the way he canceled
Speaker 3: the engagement. Ranieri was frantic. He flew to Damasoul, India
Speaker 3: to plead with the Dalai Lama to calm I believe
Speaker 3: another million dollars of Brockman money was paid to the
Speaker 3: Dalai Lama and he did make an appearance with the
Speaker 3: Brahman sisters and Ranieri on stage in Albany in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.
Speaker 1: And then I think that one of the people who
Speaker 1: was involved kind of as an antagonist of Nexium was
Speaker 1: Rick Alan Ross, who was a kind of cultu deprogrammer maybe,
Speaker 1: but he was able to extract some information that had
Speaker 1: previously been been private.
Speaker 2: Do you know about that?
Speaker 3: Yes, I know about his kid. He was the original
Speaker 3: he Antony Natali were the original enemies of Maxium, and
Speaker 3: when I was working there, they were both being hounded
Speaker 3: and pursued by Ranieri with the Brafman millions. So Rick had.
Speaker 3: All he did was Keith had fleeced a man named
Speaker 3: Michael Sutton, the heir of the It was the Lolli
Speaker 3: Coggs Garment Industries, Morris Sutton. Michael Sutton was his son,
Speaker 3: and Michael was fleeced and stripped of as well by Ranieri.
Speaker 3: Michael's troubled sister went to Rick Ross, and Ross tried
Speaker 3: to deprogram unsuccessfully. He then published as a warning to
Speaker 3: the world on a fairly early Internet two thousand and
Speaker 3: two or three website, exposing some of the details of
Speaker 3: Ranieri's creepy cult. Ranieri sued him and the litigation went
Speaker 3: on for fourteen years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Ranieri spent more than ten million dollars of Brockman's money
Speaker 3: and in the end he.
Speaker 2: Lost incredible What was the settlement, what was the what
Speaker 2: was the judgment?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the judgment was kept sealed, but the
Speaker 3: case was dismissed by mutual agreement. After all this money
Speaker 3: was spent and Ross prevailed. In some ways, it's historic
Speaker 3: because some of the fair use the law that we
Speaker 3: have that surrounds the Internet was precedent made by Ross's case.
Speaker 3: Ross stuck it out. He wouldn't back down. He's not
Speaker 3: the type of man to back down, and he prevailed.
Speaker 3: The stuff that he published, his fair use, it's not
Speaker 3: copyright of the public, A little bit of something about
Speaker 3: a organization's teachings in order to show the public its
Speaker 3: potential benefits or dangers.
Speaker 1: Interesting, So that's now memorialized in a court of law
Speaker 1: somewhere in New York. Then, huh, that judge of that
Speaker 1: Faveris judgment.
Speaker 3: It started in New York was actually it's federal I
Speaker 3: think it was. It's federal law and it ended up
Speaker 3: in New Jersey. But it is it's precedent, right, Renieri,
Speaker 3: by by trying to suppress the First Amendment, actually strengthened
Speaker 3: it thanks to the good offices of Rick Ellen Ross.
Speaker 2: Remarkable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the stuff he published, I can't I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It was somewhat as scandals do you recollect? He published
Speaker 1: something that did not look good for Ranieri.
Speaker 3: Right, that is correct, Joe. He had two two professionals
Speaker 3: one was a psychiatrist and one was a psychologist who
Speaker 3: using course material that Ranieri claimed purloined, they were able
Speaker 3: to write critiques that were devastating to Reneering. Gotcha, And
Speaker 3: at the time I advised Reneering that if he just
Speaker 3: let it go, he could not if he did not
Speaker 3: sue Ross, there would be a website with some criticism,
Speaker 3: and he could create websites where he could advance the
Speaker 3: positive side. But he couldn't. He had this this vengeance
Speaker 3: that was that consumed him. He had to fight ros.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's remarkable.
Speaker 1: That's a remarkable piece to this very long story. We
Speaker 1: are coming to the end of the hour, were at
Speaker 1: about fifty three minutes. Is there a way people can
Speaker 1: go and see your writing on the I think it's
Speaker 1: the Frank Report dot com.
Speaker 3: Right, that is correct. Come to the Frank Report dot
Speaker 3: com and you can if you're interested in this kooky, crazy, despicable,
Speaker 3: dangerous cult. You could keep updated since I post regularly
Speaker 3: on the latest events.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have some remarkable material there, so I do
Speaker 1: recommend listeners go to the Frankreport dot com and take
Speaker 1: a look at so many aspects to this story. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so many things going on moving parts that you know,
Speaker 1: Frank has been following the story diligently, so there's really
Speaker 1: some great material there. Again, Frank Parlato, thank you very
Speaker 1: much for being on the show.
Speaker 3: It's my great pleasure. I enjoyed it, and thank you
Speaker 3: for having me on the show.