WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:06.320 Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates 2 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:08.759 On tonight's show. We have a very special guest who 3 00:00:08.800 --> 00:00:10.679 has agreed to take some time out of his busy 4 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:14.199 schedule to tell us about his experience with the group 5 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:18.039 Nexium n x I V M or i UM that 6 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:21.640 has been in the news recently and involves some well 7 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.679 known Hollywood celebrities Alison mack and was headed by a 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:30.679 man named Keith Ranieri and out of New York, kind 9 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.960 of centered in Albany, New York. But this gentleman, his 10 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.479 name is Frank Parlato. He's done a lot, He's had 11 00:00:36.520 --> 00:00:39.119 personal experiences with Nexium and also has been writing about 12 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:44.320 Nexum four at least three years, notably on his excellent 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.119 blog titled The Frank Report that you can find on 14 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.759 and he's really kept an eye on this. 15 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:50.679 But Frank, are you. 16 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:54.200 There, Yes, Sam, William, it is a pleasure to be here. 17 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:56.479 Excellent, Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. 18 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:59.200 I think that this is an important subject and I 19 00:00:59.240 --> 00:01:02.640 know that you have I've firsthand information about nexium. So 20 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:05.799 maybe you could start by just going through your background 21 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:09.079 people who don't know you, and how you became within 22 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:10.280 the orbit of this group. 23 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.560 Well, I'm a publicist and a journalist, and I was 24 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.159 retained by out of the group Nexium, back in two 25 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.959 thousand and seven to be their publicist. And back in 26 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:26.920 two thousand and seven, they were just beginning to attract 27 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:31.040 some adverse publicity. People in the media were calling them 28 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:37.879 a cult, and they denied that deemently and asked if 29 00:01:37.920 --> 00:01:40.200 I might be able to help them put out some 30 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:42.959 stories that would show they were really a life coaching 31 00:01:43.560 --> 00:01:50.200 success teaching type of company that provided a very special 32 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:51.519 educational program. 33 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.519 Okay, and how did how did your relationship continue after 34 00:01:57.599 --> 00:01:58.560 twenty two thousand. 35 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:04.959 And seven, Well, it started off splendidly. And what I 36 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:08.879 did was I moved to Albany to work closely with 37 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.159 the group. And it was funded by two young ladies, 38 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:17.319 Claire and Sarah Broffman. And then they may be familiar 39 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:22.639 to some of your listeners as it is a famous 40 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:28.560 name connected with the ownership of the Seagrams liquor company. 41 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.879 And these two heiresses, Claire and Sara, in their early thirties, 42 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.039 were members of this group Nextium. 43 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:44.360 Okay, and they were obviously yes, just gonna say please continue. 44 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:49.639 Oh, they were very dedicated to the company, and they 45 00:02:49.719 --> 00:02:56.000 were funding the company, and they paid my salary, and 46 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:02.080 I found them to be very, very sincerely devoted to 47 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.280 the leader of this group nexting him his name, as 48 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:10.080 you mentioned earlier, Keith Ranieri, okay. 49 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:12.680 And what was he teaching back then in two thousand 50 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.719 and seven, and what was the external kind of you know, 51 00:03:15.960 --> 00:03:18.159 self help type of materials that he was provided to 52 00:03:18.199 --> 00:03:18.599 the public. 53 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:25.800 He provided a high intensity course that would extend for 54 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.080 anywhere from five to sixteen days. It was not an 55 00:03:29.080 --> 00:03:33.000 inexpensive course. It would run anywhere from two thousand to 56 00:03:33.080 --> 00:03:36.439 twenty thousand dollars, of course, depending on the type of 57 00:03:36.479 --> 00:03:41.000 course it was. And they were they started at seven am, 58 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:45.840 they lasted till ten pm, and they were called intensives. 59 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:53.039 And the idea was to teach people certain life skills 60 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.800 and critical thinking, to look at the world in a 61 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:00.840 way that might be a new way of thinking and 62 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:06.960 something that would promote their success both on the outside 63 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:14.479 and inside, health and financial success. And there was even 64 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:19.800 a little taste of spirituality to try to be more ethical, 65 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:22.800 more noble person. This is how it was sold on 66 00:04:22.839 --> 00:04:23.519 the outside. 67 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.399 And were they well attended, were they well attended. 68 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:33.519 No, not well attended, but there was. They searched for 69 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.839 the type of student, William that was going to be 70 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:45.519 a long term kind of a member. So they might 71 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.680 have ten to thirty people in the class, but since 72 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:53.040 they were ten thousand dollars per class courses, they were 73 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:53.920 bringing in money. 74 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:54.680 I see. 75 00:04:56.199 --> 00:05:02.639 And then, how did your public relations relationship continue with Nexium? 76 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.839 Well, it started off splendidly. I got them. I landed 77 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.439 some good stories, placed a number of good stories, and 78 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.839 for the first time they were getting publicity that didn't 79 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:16.879 include the word cult. And from the outside, it struck 80 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.040 me that this group was actually They might be a 81 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.040 little eccentric, they might have a different point of view, 82 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:28.120 but they were entitled to live without being castigated but 83 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:32.120 chastised or criticized at every turn. So I began to 84 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.920 achieve some success for them, and they brought me in 85 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:40.920 closer to work on more projects. And I noticed that 86 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:43.759 they were a litigious group. They were suing their enemies, 87 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:46.439 and there was kind. 88 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.079 Of who were their enemies at that time? 89 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.759 Were they ex members, our ex member's ex girlfriend and 90 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:56.160 a cultbuster by the name of Rick Ross who had 91 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.920 publicly condemned them as a cult former consultant by the 92 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:08.680 name of Joseph O'Hara, christ Christen Gillibrand's senator Christian Gilibrandt's father, 93 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:14.879 Doug Rutney. He settled pretty quickly, so he didn't stand 94 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:17.439 the enemy's list. He quickly gave them one hundred thousand 95 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:19.319 dollars and ducked out of the scene. 96 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:23.800 I see, and so then so you realized that they 97 00:06:23.839 --> 00:06:25.959 were a litigious group, and this was being funded by 98 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:29.120 the two bron Bronfman's sisters correct. 99 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.000 Right at more than a million dollars a month in 100 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.319 legal feeste. So I advised them, I said, look, all 101 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:41.600 of these litigation matters are not going to be very 102 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.079 productive for a group that's trying to say it's not 103 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:46.279 a cult and a group that's trying to say we're 104 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:53.920 a positive life coaching company. Right, they didn't seem to 105 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.240 interest in that, so I urged them to settle, and 106 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:01.319 then I before we really got too much further, they 107 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:05.240 came to the surprise one day, just after I had 108 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:11.439 been publicized a concert that featured Alison mac Kristin Kruk 109 00:07:12.120 --> 00:07:17.360 and Nicky Klein in Albany. Uh. They came to me 110 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:21.639 the high rank of Nexium Ranieri and his chief lieutenant 111 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:26.639 at the time, Nancy Salzman. And in fact, they said, 112 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:32.319 we need five million dollars for a project that we're 113 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:34.120 doing out in Los Angeles, California. 114 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:38.519 Let's see what was that? What was that project? 115 00:07:39.720 --> 00:07:42.600 Well, it was strange and it got a stranger. The 116 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.279 five million dollars they needed was for a real estate 117 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:51.279 project in Los Angeles, California. Keith had been guiding the 118 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.560 Brockmon sisters in a Los Angeles project to build million 119 00:07:55.600 --> 00:08:01.959 dollars plus homes in Los Angeles County on side lots okay, 120 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:05.360 and I was a little surprised that the Bronmans would 121 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.680 need me to fund them. And that's when I discovered 122 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.360 that the Brothmans had sustained some very substantial losses. 123 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:18.319 And what were those losses pertaining to Well. 124 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:23.160 They were Keith's guided investments in retrospect. I realized now 125 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:26.199 he was swindling them, but at the time I thought 126 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.879 that there was just some blunders. I went to California 127 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.039 to check out the project, and I found that there 128 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.720 was ten million dollars that had been invested out of 129 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:38.759 a total twenty six million that never made it into 130 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:42.799 the project. Looking a little farther, I noticed that the 131 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:46.799 properties that they had a purchased weren't even in their name. 132 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:54.919 So I quickly confronted Ranieri's partner and persuaded him to 133 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:58.799 sign over the properties to the Brothmans. And then I 134 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:03.080 recovered the other ten million dollars. So I recovered twenty 135 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:08.679 six million dollars for the Brothmans, and I was wondering 136 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.000 where the other sixty five million dollars that was missing 137 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.720 went to, and they informed me they had invested in 138 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:22.600 commodities under keys direction, in the commodities market and all 139 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.360 sixty five million dollars had disappeared. 140 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:29.759 Wow, did you believe that that's true, that that disappearance 141 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:32.440 into the so called commodities market? Is that authentic loss? 142 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:34.960 Or could that have been some type of laundering? 143 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:39.080 It was some kind of laundering that these two Brafman 144 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.080 sisters got swindled out of their money. Vernieri laundered it 145 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:48.240 from them to from them to him. But what and 146 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.720 this is what got me fired, is I I approached 147 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:55.399 Claire Brofman and they, after all, were paying my salary 148 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.039 at Ranieri, and I said to Claire, you know, he 149 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.320 sixty five million dollars has been lost in the commodities markets. 150 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.159 I did an investigation. I recovered twenty six million dollars 151 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.799 for you. I think I'll start an investigation and let 152 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.399 me see if I can recover some of the sixty 153 00:10:10.440 --> 00:10:13.840 five million. And I said, do you know for a 154 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:17.519 fact where the sixty five million went? Did you Did 155 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.320 you invest in orange features or wheat or cotton? And 156 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:27.360 she says, I know nothing. I trust Keith. He handles everything. 157 00:10:27.519 --> 00:10:28.679 Smile. That's remarkable. 158 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:34.679 If I said, you're well, somepose we look into it. 159 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.159 And she said, well, I know what happened to the money, 160 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:42.559 and what's that? And she said, my father, Edgar Brofman Senior. 161 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.840 He was the head of the World Chewish Congress and 162 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:52.000 the CEO formerly of Seagrams, a billionaire. She said, my father, 163 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.600 he is so against me being with Keith that he 164 00:10:55.720 --> 00:11:03.200 manipulated the entire commodities market to uh divests divests of 165 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:06.120 this money. That's what Keith said, And Keith would know. 166 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.399 I see, wow, So that's kind of like a cult 167 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.159 technique to alienate the children from. 168 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:16.600 The parents too, right, do you think that? Okay? That 169 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:19.360 sounds like that to me. I don't know. Wow. 170 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:22.679 So there's a significant amount of money floating around? And 171 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:25.639 do you think that that investment in Los Angeles was 172 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:31.519 also another, you know, laundering scheme to swindle the Broton sisters. 173 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:36.200 I most certainly do. And I spoiled Keith. I spoiled 174 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:39.519 Keith's plan by swooping down and investigating it so quickly. 175 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:43.279 He had to, of course, pretend that he was on 176 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:47.000 my side. As I recovered this money for the Brothmans. 177 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:48.000 What could he say? 178 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:48.679 Wow? 179 00:11:49.120 --> 00:11:52.000 But he thought to get rid of me. And get 180 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.360 rid of me he did. When I began to look 181 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:58.799 deeply into the sixty five million dollars lost in commodities, 182 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.200 he fired me. And he had enough sway over his 183 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.600 gullible Brockman sisters that they supported that firing. 184 00:12:09.840 --> 00:12:11.440 Did you get paid through next to him? Or were 185 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:14.000 you paid individually from the Bronkman sisters? 186 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:15.720 Was paid by. 187 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.519 That's even that, okay? And then so now now you've 188 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:21.960 been fired. 189 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:26.039 This is two thousand and seven, corrector two thousand and eight. 190 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:26.679 Two thousand and eight. 191 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.840 And Kristin Kroig and Alison Mack and I guess this 192 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:34.360 woman who's supposedly Alison Mack's girlfriend, Nikki Klein. 193 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:37.279 Were married. Were all involved even back then in two 194 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:37.879 thousand and eight. 195 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:40.600 Yes, they were very involved. 196 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.320 Okay, so they've had at least ten years or some 197 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.559 kind of involvement. However, Alison Mac definitely ten years. So 198 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.440 that five million they wanted from you, and and then 199 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.000 you got fired, and then and then what happened. 200 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:58.240 Well, I was prepared to go my own way and 201 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.480 just to complete the sure when I recovered the twenty 202 00:13:01.480 --> 00:13:08.320 six million dollars they there was we made it. We 203 00:13:08.360 --> 00:13:11.519 made a contractual arrangement that I would help them develop 204 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:17.320 the properties. This is before I was fired, and there 205 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:21.240 was certain financial arrangements made when I was fired. Uh, 206 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.480 Keith and Area said, I want all of the money 207 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:29.039 back that you were paid and the bonus that you 208 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:32.600 were paid for recovering the twenty six million. You're done. 209 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.000 And you're not only done, you're returning all of the money. 210 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:38.960 And if you don't return the money, you're going to 211 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:43.440 have a legal battle. You won't believe. And I have 212 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:45.159 a lot more money to spend than you do. 213 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.480 I see. And so did that eventually lead to a lawsuit? 214 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:55.919 I was most assuredly did. And we were thick in 215 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.559 We're thick in the battle of fighting. 216 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.360 And still to this day twenty eighteen. 217 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:05.480 Yeah, although he's been slightly hampered now that he sits 218 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.799 in the Brooklyn Metropolitan Detention Center. 219 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.519 Well right, so, well said, so, I mean, just for 220 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:13.000 the public that they don't know. Keith Ranieri and Alison 221 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.480 Mack were arrested in Mexico. Well, actually, Ranieri was arrested 222 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.480 first in Mexico and then Alison Mack. I don't know 223 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:21.759 where they found her. Was she in New York or 224 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:22.720 did they arrest her in Mexico? 225 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:23.720 Extra died from Mexico. 226 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.600 She was arrested in Brooklyn, Brooklyn. 227 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:28.679 Right, Okay, so she was in Brooklyn and then she 228 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:32.440 paid a five million dollar bail, got an ankle bracelet. 229 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:34.720 I think she was seen in California yesterday or the 230 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.759 day before and is under house arrest. 231 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:38.240 In Raniery. 232 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.919 I think he was denied bail and I think his 233 00:14:40.960 --> 00:14:43.600 hearing was today, Is that correct? 234 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:47.639 No, it was postponed till next week, next Friday. So 235 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.639 he has not made a bail application and it's not 236 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:55.639 believed that he could attain bail because he number one, 237 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.840 he fled to Mexico and number two, he's charged with 238 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:03.159 ex trafficking. It's his Uh, you know, he presents a 239 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.480 I think most people's minds and probably in any judge's mind, 240 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:09.960 a very clear danger to the community. 241 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:10.720 Yeah. 242 00:15:10.879 --> 00:15:14.279 I saw that the US attorney wrote for a very 243 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.519 compelling argument for why he should not be let out 244 00:15:16.519 --> 00:15:19.279 on any bill. I think that I'll be surprised if 245 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:21.799 they let him out if he's already fled to Mexico. 246 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.240 So it would be a judge who was willing to 247 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:30.320 risk being defract because I think Ranieri would probably if 248 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:32.720 he ever get out of prison, I think he would 249 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.440 find or try with the Brotman money to flee to 250 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.440 a non extra guiding country. 251 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:42.799 Yeah, that makes sense. I mean I think that I 252 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:43.840 think he was. 253 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:46.240 He was arrested on three different charges, but there may 254 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:48.799 be additional charges for that guy. There may be more 255 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:51.360 trouble as long I know that the attorneys or the 256 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:57.000 FBI sent out a notice looking for any additional victims 257 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:57.759 of Vernieri. 258 00:15:57.919 --> 00:16:00.679 So there may be other people talking and talking. 259 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:02.799 She probably if she's been in the group for ten years, 260 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.240 she probably knows, you know, quite a bit more than 261 00:16:06.279 --> 00:16:06.720 the public. 262 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.120 She knows quite a bit. And I have provided the 263 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:16.919 authorities with a large cachet of financial tax of asion, 264 00:16:17.039 --> 00:16:22.000 bult cache, smuggling, foreign corrupt practices, double sets of bookkeeping, 265 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:30.120 illegal immigration kind of fraud. So I've given them an 266 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:33.120 ident of decess. I've given them a large cachet. And 267 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:34.840 of course I don't want to take credit to this. 268 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:40.200 FBI in New York City has done their own independent investigations, 269 00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:43.240 and I believe there will be superseding indictments. 270 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.240 I see, yeah, I would agree, definitely agree with that. 271 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:52.120 So Alison Mack, they go back ten years, what's been 272 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.799 what what happened in the interim before you started kind 273 00:16:55.799 --> 00:16:59.320 of blogging intensely in twenty fifteen and when you were 274 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:01.720 left the group in twenty two thousand and eight. 275 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.960 I tried, I went on my own when you know, 276 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:08.839 I went my own way, I should say I hoped 277 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.799 to just avoid I was prepared. I set aside the 278 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.319 money that I was given as a bonus, which you 279 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.240 know was one million dollars, recovered twenty six million dollars, 280 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:30.799 and I was not disproportionate to Braffman's mind or Rnieri's 281 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:35.400 mind at the time when I was rescuing a real 282 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:40.720 estate projected to conmuck covered twenty six million dollars in asset. 283 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.079 It's less than five percent, less than five. 284 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.240 Percent, right, So then you know, as I said, when 285 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.279 I left Rahier, he wanted all of the money back, 286 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:52.279 every penny I'd been paid, and I refused to do it. 287 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:56.279 I put the money in escro and I awaited the day, 288 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:03.119 ever when they would assue me, which of course they did. 289 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.200 That's a long story, but the upshot of it is 290 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.440 is that when I saw how egregiously they perjured themselves, 291 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.440 it then became necessary for me to expose this cult 292 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:21.799 for what it really was, alling criminal organization. And at 293 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:29.400 the time I did not truly realize how despicable they were. 294 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.599 I didn't know, for example, that Ranieri was a pedophile. 295 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.759 I mean I didn't know that at the time that 296 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:37.920 he had sex waves. I knew he had a hearn, 297 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:41.599 but it seemed to me that essensual and if people 298 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:45.079 and women and men are comfortable in their relationships, I'm 299 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:48.200 not going to judge them. Well, I didn't know then 300 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.880 about the pedophilia. I didn't know then about the branding 301 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:54.039 or the blackmail. 302 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.160 Right, the collateral what do you call the collateral? 303 00:18:58.359 --> 00:18:59.960 What he calls the collateral life. 304 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.680 Well, that's interesting, I mean, that's the interesting thing about 305 00:19:02.759 --> 00:19:09.039 Vernier is he seems to have dodged getting arrested for 306 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:16.079 pedophilia going back fifteen twenty years. His business before Nexium 307 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.440 was what is it something by online? What was the 308 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:21.160 name of it was consumer Byeline? 309 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:22.960 Is that right? That? 310 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.920 Consumers byline, Consumer's byline. So that was kind of a 311 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:27.559 multi level marketing scheme that. 312 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.119 He he was. 313 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:33.480 I think he had to pay out certain things after 314 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:36.480 there was a criminal investigation, for my memory serves me correct, 315 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:37.480 So then he went. 316 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:41.200 From that, Yeah, he had to say it fine, that's right. 317 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:46.640 But I think that multi level marketing mentality morphed into 318 00:19:46.839 --> 00:19:49.799 the next iteration of what that was is into nexiums. 319 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:52.240 So you have this kind of mark he's he's claimed Ornier, 320 00:19:52.279 --> 00:19:55.039 he's claimed to have like a two forty IQ and 321 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:58.359 that he, you know, could speak in full sentences when 322 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:00.920 he was once. So he has this kind of personal 323 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:05.000 mythology that's very similar to l Ron Hubbard's. But yeah, 324 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.440 there's some very dark stuff that was going on in 325 00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:10.839 Nexium that I mean, there's and you've put it in 326 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.839 your articles, or at least two girls who came forward 327 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:19.279 about their testimony that he statutorily raped them so I 328 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:20.880 don't know if that's gonna be brought up in this 329 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:24.880 criminal you know this in twenty eighteen, but those women 330 00:20:24.920 --> 00:20:28.359 have been on the record, and I read and I 331 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:29.839 think it was in one of your articles that he 332 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.039 had fifty seven women as his slave. 333 00:20:32.119 --> 00:20:35.640 Is that correct? At least at least okay? 334 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.799 And I found it interesting too that he he tried 335 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.119 to make it as a multi level marketing seem his 336 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.240 whole sex slavery thing, where he would have broke it 337 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:49.200 down into six sixty six, a very odious, you know, 338 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:51.440 scary number, but he said, you know it was him. 339 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:53.480 Then he would have six slaves and each one of 340 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:56.319 them would get six, and so it would you know, 341 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.000 pyramid eye out there in a kind of pyramidal structure. 342 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:04.079 But he had this thing called dos the val and 343 00:21:04.119 --> 00:21:09.240 in Latin it was Dominus obsequious cerrorium or master over 344 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:09.880 slaved women. 345 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:11.119 Can you talk more about that? 346 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:17.160 Yeah, it was. It's kind of an interesting it's kind 347 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:26.279 of a very fascinating evolution of Ranieri's life in his 348 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:35.480 his need to both control people and satiate his sexual appetite. 349 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:42.240 He priorily he had a harem and when I was there, 350 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:44.799 it appeared to me that the harem was mainly voluntary. 351 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.039 He preferred women that were very slender with long hairy 352 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.720 did not allow women to cut their hair, and they 353 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.200 if they gained one or two or three pounds, they 354 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.759 would be put on the sidelines, temporary really kicked out 355 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:04.720 or out of the harm until they lost their weight again. 356 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:09.039 So you were a five foot five inch woman and 357 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:11.920 you were more than one hundred pounds, you were to 358 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.599 be punished. And many a woman were punished for gaining 359 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:21.519 one or two excess pounds and literally shunned. But at 360 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.160 least they were voluntary at the time, or you know, 361 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:27.720 if you believe in brainwashing, they were semi brainwashed, but 362 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:35.519 not violently coerced or blackmailed into doing this. Somewhere along 363 00:22:35.559 --> 00:22:40.200 the line, he probably around twenty fifteen, he was losing 364 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:44.319 his ability to get voluntary women who were in their 365 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:47.039 twenties to want to be with this fifty five year 366 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:53.319 old cult leader, and so he devised a new method 367 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:59.559 which would get his slaves present slaves to move forward, 368 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.559 to bring in new slaves of the young and tender 369 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:09.079 age type and get them in where they were there 370 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:12.880 was blackmail worthing material hanging over their heads so that 371 00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:19.039 they could be indoctrinated as his sex slaves and couldn't 372 00:23:19.640 --> 00:23:20.920 ever leave. 373 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.640 Right. So that was kind of the whole invention of 374 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:27.319 this collateral notion, is that right? 375 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:31.279 Yeah? Partly, and also yeah, to have young slaves, to 376 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.480 continue to have young slaves, and also to create a 377 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:39.960 system where he could use his coercive methods without having 378 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:47.079 to make any significant effort to woo cajole flatter court. 379 00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.960 He would just give the orders and the girls would 380 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.000 have to obey. 381 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:53.480 Wow. 382 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.480 So Alison Mack, I think they just came out of 383 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:01.400 vanity fair that she in her attempt to recruit women. 384 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:06.240 I think she went after Emma Watson, Kelly Clarkson, some 385 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.599 other people that you know, and and and and it 386 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:11.279 seemed like that it was the cell of the sugar 387 00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.319 coated cell that to get into this group that is, 388 00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:15.400 you know, self help. 389 00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.480 Oh, that's right. I think part of his group was 390 00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.359 that DOS or the Vow was a woman's only. 391 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:22.880 Club, right, So isn't that what they said to the 392 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:26.240 external outside world is that this is like a women's club. 393 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.640 It's safe, it's safe, there's no men in this. But 394 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:31.960 there was just one man. 395 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.799 In it one man, and he required all of the 396 00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:37.920 women to be celibate too, right, so they couldn't. They 397 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:41.000 weren't supposed to date anything anybody but Keith Raniering, if 398 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:42.400 I remember correctly, that's. 399 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:46.200 Always that was always his policy, from his days of 400 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.000 a voluntary him was the he could sleep with any woman, 401 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:56.359