Speaker 1: So today we're starting with this really striking contrast, almost
absurd when you think about it. We're talking about something
you can just, you know, pick up off the shelf
in pretty much any big store in the US, packaged
like a game, often right there next to the kids stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And yet the sources we're diving into today
they see this thing completely differently. They insist it's genuinely real,
incredibly powerful, and potentially well genuinely dangerous, a tool for communication,
but not in the way you might think that tension
is huge.
Speaker 1: Isn't it a harmless toy on one shelf, and according
to these sources, a serious spiritual device on the other.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's really the core of why these sources are
so interesting. They just flat out reject the modern idea
of it being just a game. We're looking at materials
that call this thing a serious tool for divination.
Speaker 1: Divination. Okay, let's define that based on the sources. What
does that mean in this context?
Speaker 2: Right? So, in this context, divination is basically the umbrella
term for methods use to get information about things you
can't normally know, hidden things, future events, or and this
is key here, non physical stuff. The sources are really
focused on contacting entities outside our normal physical reality, whether
that's tapping into your own deep mind like you're unconscious,
or and this is where the emphasis really lies in
these materials actually making contact with external spirits.
Speaker 1: Okay, so our mission for this deep dive isn't really
to judge whether these claims are true or false. It's
more about, all right, let's take the sources at their
word for a moment and really unpack their logic. How
do they say this thing actually works? Why is it
supposedly so powerful? And what are the specific dangers They
weren't about the rules of the road for this kind
of communication, according to them.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And there's one foundational idea we need to get
out there right away before we even talk about how
it works. The sources kind of assume that not everyone
experiences this the same way. It's not uniform. One person
mentioned that for some people, those with what they call
an inherent psychic ability, the way these devices function their power,
it's just a little bit easier to see and grasp.
Speaker 1: Ah. Okay, that's interesting. So the effectiveness isn't just the
board itself. Maybe it could also depend on the person
using it their sensitivity.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the implication. Yeah, for an average person,
maybe nothing much appens or it feels vague. But for
someone the sources consider psychically a tuned the connection is clearer,
maybe faster, and perhaps, as we'll get into, riskier too.
Speaker 1: So the sources start from a place that assumes this
phenomenon is real and that some people are just naturally
better at tuning into it.
Speaker 2: Pretty much, that's the baseline perspective woven through the material
we looked at.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's dig into the how if we follow
the logic of these sources that this board isn't a
toy but a real divination tool. What's the engine? What
makes it go? Is it gears and levers or something else.
What's the physics or maybe metaphysics behind it?
Speaker 2: Well, the sources are actually quite consistent here. They pin
it down to one core concept, the transmission of energy fields.
It's not presented as suggestion or psychology or a trick.
It's framed as a system, almost like engineering, for channeling
non physical energy into a physical outcome energy field.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do they mean by that? Exactly like the
body's electrical field or something more subtle.
Speaker 2: More subtle. Definitely. They're talking about that non visible energy
blueprint or aura that they say surrounds living beings. But crucially,
they believe non physical entities spirits also have these energy fields,
maybe different, maybe lighter, but they have them. So the device,
the board in Planchet, acts like an interface, a meeting
point between the human energy field and the spirit energy field.
Speaker 1: Right, So if the board and the person are like
two parts of a connection, what about the plant chet,
that little pointer thing usually heart shaped with a window
that you put your fingers on.
Speaker 2: The plant chet. Yeah, that's absolutely central. It's the physical translator,
you could say. Its whole job is to make that
energy exchange visible, tangible.
Speaker 1: How though, how does energy become movement?
Speaker 2: Think of it like a gauge or a dial. It
takes this refined, nonfinital energy, the intent or communication from
the spirit and converts it into plain old physical motion
sliding across the board.
Speaker 1: Okay, but how does it convert it? Does the spirit
literally grab the plastic or is it influencing the person
holding it?
Speaker 2: The sources mention two main ways this could happen. Both
end up with the plant shet moving. One is direct
influence a spirit literally pushing on the plant shed itself.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: The other way may be more common, according to them,
is that the spirit pushes on the person's energy field,
and that subtle push then influences the tiny unconscious movements
in their hand, in our muscles.
Speaker 1: Ah, like the ideo motor effect that scientists talk about.
Speaker 2: Exactly like that phenomenon, yes, But where science might stop
at unconscious muscle twitches, these sources say, no, that twitch
is caused by an external spiritual push. That channeled force
makes the planchet glide over the letters and numbers, spelling.
Speaker 1: The So the human hand is like a necessary conductor.
It bridges the gap between the spirit's intention and the
physical world.
Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. Yeah, a conductor, Yeah,
converting potential energy into kinetic energy basically.
Speaker 1: And what's really striking is how the sources describe the
experience of this happening, right.
Speaker 2: This is key to why people apparently become convinced. The
sources all mention this same story, this anecdotal evidence from
first timers. The movement often starts suddenly, it feels clear, purposeful,
and crucially, it feels like it's not the user doing
it consciously. Yeah. The first reaction they describe is almost
always WHOA, this is actually working. I'm not moving it?
What is this?
Speaker 1: That surprise, that feeling of I'm not doing this must
be incredibly powerful Psychologically, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: It acts as instant validation. Yeah, you feel it move.
You know you're not consciously pushing it. So what's left?
Speaker 1: It must be something else, something external.
Speaker 2: Exactly, And according to these sources, that moment of surprise,
that confirmed feeling of it work is almost universally taken
as proof proof of a specific and to decommunicating the
conclusion is immediate. It's a spirit.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So the mechanism itself doesn't just spell words. It validates
the entire premise. It proves the existence of the communicator
right there under your fingertips. Yeah, it turns doubt into
belief through a shared physical experience.
Speaker 1: The fact that it feels like it's happening despite you
becomes the proof of the external force.
Speaker 2: Precisely, the device proves its own claims in real time.
Speaker 1: So the first big takeaway from these sources isn't just
maybe it works, it's the mechanism is designed to feel external,
to bypass your conscious control and provide what feels like
undeniable proof of an outside intelligence all through these energy fields. Okay,
so if the mechanism works, or at least feels like
it works undeniably to the user, this is where the
sources shift hard into warnings. It's a real paradox they present.
These things are dangerous because they're effective.
Speaker 2: Exactly if it successfully opens the line of communication. Well,
who's on the other end and can you control that?
Speaker 1: And the answer from the sources seems to be a
definite no, a.
Speaker 2: Very firm no. This lack of control is the absolute
heart of the danger. They talk about what we could
call an open door policy. When you use this device,
you open a channel. Maybe you intend to talk to
Grandma or some wise spirit guide, a positive spirit, good intentions,
but the channel itself, according to these sources, it's inherently
wide open, unregulated. So the risk they spell out is
very specific. Even if you start out talking to someone positive,
there's nothing to stop a negative spirit from joining the group.
Nothing a positive entity might initiate. But then a negative
one can just step through that open door, hijack the connection,
grab control of the plan chat, and take over the conversation.
Speaker 1: Like someone cutting into a phone line or hijacking a
radio frequency.
Speaker 2: That's a good analogy. Yeah, it suggests a fundamental flaw,
either in the device itself or in how it teracts
with the spiritual environment. The user has no bouncer at
the door, no way to check IDs, no firewall, no
firewall exactly. And if you zoom out to the bigger picture,
the sources paint the moment you fire this thing up,
you're essentially broadcasting to the entire other side, to the
other side. How do they define that specifically? As spirits
people or entities that do not have physical bodies?
Speaker 1: Okay, and are these spirits generally nice mischievous? What's the vibe?
According to the sources.
Speaker 2: Definitely not all nice. Far from it. The material is
very clear that this population of spirits is huge and diverse.
They explicitly state these entities could be good spirits, they
could be negative spirits. They could be.
Speaker 1: Both a mixed bag then a very mixed bag.
Speaker 2: And within that negative category, the sources suggest a whole spectrum.
You might have little level brainster, sure, but they also
warn about much more powerful, genuinely malicious forces. Sometimes they
use the term demonic entitiesmnic. That's a strong word, it is,
and they suggest these more power full negative entities might
possess greater manipulative ability, or perhaps just more motivation to interfere.
So the danger isn't just that a bad one might
show up. It's that the device acts like a bright light,
attracting all kinds of attention, and the more manipulative ones
might be better at elbowing their way to the front of
the line.
Speaker 1: So using it is like playing roulette, but with potentially
very high stakes.
Speaker 2: That's the picture they paint. And it's not just theoretical
warnings either. The contributors to these sources share quite explicit
first hand accounts. They talk about witnessing.
Speaker 1: Harm, what kind of harm? When someone in the source
material says they've personally witnessed many people be affected by
negative spirits during a session? What does that look like?
What are the effects they're describing?
Speaker 2: They describe pretty immediate and sometimes quite severe distress. The
most common thing seems to be a sudden, really uncharacteristic
change in the people participating. Their personality or emotions just
flip like how well, sometimes physical stuff people feeling suddenly
freezing cold, nauseous, or like there's heavy pressure in the room, okay,
But more often it sounds like a psychological shift. Someone
might abruptly become incredibly aggressive or deeply paranoid, or filled
with this overwhelming irrational fear that wasn't there moments before,
or the messages coming through the board might suddenly turn nasty, threatening,
or really disturbing, even if the users were asking innocent questions.
Speaker 1: So the observed effects are.
Speaker 2: The proof yes for them. The harm witnessed is real
time validation that a negative entity has crashed the party
and is actively causing trouble. It's the immediate consequence of
that open door policy.
Speaker 1: This leads into how these negative entities supposedly operate once
they've gained access, and this is where the power imbalance
gets really quite chilling. The sources talk about something like
spiritual surveillance. They draw this stark line, we in our
physical bodies are not going to see them, but we
can't perceive them directly, right, But they're going to see us.
They can observe us clear.
Speaker 2: That asymmetry is absolutely critical to understanding the threat. They
describe these entities are invisible observers, hidden in plain sight.
But they have a clear view of us.
Speaker 1: How how do non physical being see physical humans? What
are they looking at?
Speaker 2: The sources call it energy field mapping. Remember they operate
based on energy fields.
Speaker 1: Right, The transmission of energy fields was the mechanism exactly.
Speaker 2: So they perceive our energy fields, our aura or energetic signature.
They can apparently read it with great clarity. And here's
the really critical part. They use this ability to know
where our weak spots are.
Speaker 1: Weak spots like a bad knee or something else.
Speaker 2: More like psychological or emotional vulnerabilities. That's the main focus
in the sources. A weak spot could be unresolved trauma
from the past, deep seated grief, you haven't processed a
specific phobia, patterns of addiction, even just a tendency towards
a particular negative emotion like chronic anger or anxiety.
Speaker 1: So they're scanning us for psycho logical vulnerabilities.
Speaker 2: That's the claim. They're not just showing up randomly. They're
actively looking for the chinks in our armor. They're analyzing
us strategizing. If they detect, say that someone in the
group has a lot of suppress rage, the sources suggest
they will zero in on that specific frequency. That's the
weak spot they'll target.
Speaker 1: Wow, So it's not just a random intrusion, it's a
targeted attack based on a personal vulnerability assessment.
Speaker 2: Precisely, they look for the path of least resistance into
your psyche, exploiting existing instabilities to get a foothold.
Speaker 1: And once they find that weak spot, what do they do?
How do they attack?
Speaker 2: The method described is the transmission of negative emotion. They
can apparently send negative emotional energy directly into.
Speaker 1: Our fields, send energy like what kind?
Speaker 2: The examples given are intense negative emotions, rage, anger, fear,
like a focused beam of that feeling aimed right at
the identified weak spot.
Speaker 1: So it's like an energetic bombardment designed to destabilize you,
using your own issues as the leverage point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and think about how that connects to just everyday
human experience, maybe amplified massively. Haven't you ever felt a
sudden wave of anger or fear that seems way out
of proportion to whatever just happened, almost came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Sure, I think everyone has felt that at some point.
Speaker 2: Well, the source material basically suggests that after using one
of these devices or during a session, such intense, overwhelming
feelings might not be just your own psychological reaction. They
could actually be these external energy attacks transmitted directly into you,
hitting that pre identified vulnerability.
Speaker 1: Which would make it incredibly difficult to know if what
you're feeling is genuinely yours or if its influence an attack.
Speaker 2: Exactly, The lines get completely blurred. Is it my anxiety
acting up or is it an external fear being beamed
at me? The spirit is essentially weaponizing your own emotional
landscape against.
Speaker 1: You, and the consequences of this, according to the sources.
Speaker 2: They describe them as potentially catastrophic for mental stability. They
say this kind of energy attack can lead people to
think that there is a spirit inside of them. It
creates this profound confusion between external influence and internal breakdown.
Speaker 1: That feeling of being invaded or possessed.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that feeling that belief, whether it's literally true
possession as they see it, or just the result of
sustained energetic bombardment, can drive a person into absolute crisis.
The sources mention terrible panic attacks and even just say.
Speaker 1: Or worse or worse is ominous.
Speaker 2: It is The implication is a complete breakdown, a fundamental
shattering of mental stability, all stemming from this belief of
being under attack or internally compromised by an entity is
portrayed as a targeted campaign to destabilize someone utterly. What
started as maybe a curious game turns into a profound,
potentially long lasting psychological crisis that might need serious help.
Speaker 1: So the sources are essentially saying this toy is potentially
a gateway for highly intelligent, hostile entities to conduct psychological
warfare using energy fields.
Speaker 2: That's a very accurate summary of the claims.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So that incredibly stark picture of the risks
leads us directly to how people use these things now
and the source's main warning about current practices. They seem
to draw a line between maybe older, more structured ways
of doing divination and what they call the modern error.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that contract is really important to them. Their observation
about how people use these devices today is pretty blunt.
They see people just buying them, opening the box, sitting down,
and crucially not doing any protection at all, just diving
right in, just diving right in, and this casual approach
ignoring what the sources clearly believe our essential safety protocols
for any kind of divination is seen as incredibly dangerous,
dangerously naive.
Speaker 1: What kind of protection are they talking about? If there
are historical protocols, what do they involve that people are
skipping now?
Speaker 2: The sources don't give like a step by step instruction
manual and the materials we reviewed, but they strongly imply
that historically you do preparation rituals, things designed to set
up energetic boundaries, like what kind of things could be
anything from formally stating your intention, who you want to
contact and why, to maybe cleansing the space beforehand using
incense or prayers, maybe calling on specific protective spirits or guides,
setting up a kind of sacred protected space before you
even touch the board, so.
Speaker 1: Like putting up energetic shields or filters first.
Speaker 2: Exactly those steps were meant to act as a filter
to prevent that open door from being a complete free
for all, to try and keep the negative influences out.
Speaker 1: And by skipping all that.
Speaker 2: By skipping all that, the modern user, according to these sources,
just throws the door wide open with no protection whatsoever.
Their vulnerability level goes through the roof. They become susceptible
to attack by demonic spirits again, that term for the
really malicious ones they weren't about.
Speaker 1: And this isn't presented as some rare, one in a
million chance, is it not?
Speaker 2: At all? The sources emphasize the frequency. They claim the
scenario skipping protection, becoming vulnerable, getting attacked happens all the.
Speaker 1: Time, all the time. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It frames the danger not as some unlikely worst
case scenario, but is a probable outcome of casual, unprotected
use of what they see as a powerful spiritual tool.
Speaker 1: So the core message is the board works. According to them,
the entities are real and potentially hostile, and failing to
prepare is basically asking for trouble. These protective measures aren't
optional extras, their mandatory safety gear. That's being ignored.
Speaker 2: That's precisely the argument which brings us full circle to
the final overarching warning from these sources. It boils down
to this, these devices do communicate with the other side
because they accept that premise. Absolutely, it works, it opens
a channel. Then the only logical conclusion is you must
be careful.
Speaker 1: The danger is real because the communication is real.
Speaker 2: In their view, exactly if the phone line works, you
have to be careful who you call and who might
call you back, or who might listen in. The risk
is inherent in the connection itself outro Okay, so.
Speaker 1: Let's try to wrap this up for anyone listening, maybe
someone who has one of these boards sitting in a closet,
or just finds this fascinating. What have we learned from
digging into these specific source materials we've essentially unpacked claims
that a common household item, often sold as a toy,
is viewed by some as a powerful, unfiltered gateway to
the spirit world. We can pull out three core points
from these sources. First, they define this item not as
plastic in cardboard, but as a legitimate divination tool. It's
mechanism the transmission of energy fields, translating non physical influence
into physical Movement's point. One Second, its danger, according to them,
comes directly from its effectiveness. It creates that open door
with no screening. This allows negative, even demonic spirits to intrude.
And these aren't just random forces. They practice spiritual surveillance,
identifying and targeting our personal weak spots in our energy fields.
Speaker 2: A very targeted threat, as they describe it.
Speaker 1: And Third, the consequence of using it unprotected isn't just
getting spooked. It's potentially severe psychological distress, panic attacks, profound confusion,
even the belief that one is possessed stemming from direct
attacks of negative emotional energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the potential for serious harm is heavily emphasized. And
for you listening to this look, regardless of whether you
personally believe in spirits or energy fields or any of that,
the materials we've explored today present a really detailed, internally
consistent theory. It's a theory about non physical interaction, about risk,
about vulnerability when you engage with the unknown. It really
pushes you to think critically about boundaries about safety, not
just with weird boards, but maybe in any kind of
intense communication, physical or otherwise. What are you opening yourself
up to? What are your protections That.
Speaker 1: Point about transmitting negative emotions via energy fields, rage, anger,
fear just sent directly into your weak spots. That's quite
a concept.
Speaker 2: It really is. And it leads to our final thought
for you, Tom all Over. If and it's a big
isss based on these sources, but if energy fields are
a real mechanism for transmitting targeted negative emotions using this board, okay,
then what about other everyday human interactions. Could they rely
on similar unseen transmissions of emotional energy or intention, Like.
Speaker 1: The feeling you get when you walk into a really
tense room exactly.
Speaker 2: Or that palpable anxiety before a big presentation, the heavy
vibe you pick up from someone really angry, even if
they're not saying anything. Are we constantly subtly sending and
receiving this kind of energetic information trading emotional frequencies without
even realizing it? If we are, If we are, what's
our natural built in protection, our subconscious filter against all
that everyday energetic noise or even potential negativity that we
don't even consciously register.
Speaker 1: That is definitely something to think about. What are the
unseen rules of engagement in just being human around other humans?
Good for thought indeed, Well, that's all for this deep dive.
Thanks for joining us, Thanks for listening,