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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely stinks of dog fart in here? Is that yours

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<v Speaker 1>and mine can smell that? From ethics?

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<v Speaker 2>What an intro?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it sets the tone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't it amazing we're all together?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's like the Waltons, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>This feels like it's been been a long long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should highlight right from the off that

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<v Speaker 1>this is working properly this week because Richard has discovered

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<v Speaker 1>that his Internet doesn't travel through wattle and door walls.

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<v Speaker 3>True story.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's obviously when this house was built in

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen fifty five. It just shows there was no forward

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<v Speaker 4>planning that they thought. Hold on a second, when the

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<v Speaker 4>magic fairies come and send things through the ether, why

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<v Speaker 4>they didn't They just didn't think it's it's the problem,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. I bet the local council run.

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<v Speaker 2>By carbon neutral materials.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, do you know?

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<v Speaker 4>It was quite funny actually when we had a hole

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<v Speaker 4>knocked through to sort of it make our kitchen and

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<v Speaker 4>dining room sort of meat in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>We thought it was a newer wall. But when they

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<v Speaker 3>were knocking it all down.

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<v Speaker 2>Is when they found the old tax ban hidden.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it was fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>All this the revenue, the revenue exactly, but it was

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<v Speaker 4>something that I hadn't thought of, but gave our builder.

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<v Speaker 4>He said, he said, I hope I don't get anthrax.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said, well, what do you mean he amthrax?

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<v Speaker 4>And he said, well you think he said they put

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<v Speaker 4>a load of old cowshit in as part of the thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and he said, and I believe amthrax never dies. And

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<v Speaker 4>I suddenly sort of thought there's always dust floating around

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<v Speaker 4>the place, and thought, I wonder what my insurance company

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<v Speaker 4>would say. Yes, well, unfortunately, you know that the family

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<v Speaker 4>died due to anthrax whilst having building done.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually got the plague from the original one. The

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<v Speaker 2>og like COVID one is not nineteen is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've gone from anthrax and now just basically the

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<v Speaker 1>typhoid Mary of Suffolk his patient zero, the Finningham.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a true thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, I remember when I was at Knightsbridge and I

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<v Speaker 4>was in the Army that somebody sort of I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was around the time that they wild swimming was

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<v Speaker 4>becoming a thing in the eighties and there's always been

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<v Speaker 4>an outdoor swimming area in the serpent time. What's what's

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<v Speaker 4>he doing? Yes, isling crackling, and it's callum. He's getting

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<v Speaker 4>it safe. Oh he's getting his blooming scissors out again,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't he. That's what he's doing is special comfy not okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Wild swimming in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, was dredge.

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<v Speaker 2>You wear a little tiny shorts.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't go something in there. Good god, No, that's

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<v Speaker 4>not my cup of tea at all. But they decided

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<v Speaker 4>to dredge the Serpentine until finally someone said, I really

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<v Speaker 4>think that's a bad idea, because you know what the

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<v Speaker 4>Serpentine is, you know this great big lake in the

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<v Speaker 4>middle of Hyde Park and everyone no, he said, well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a plague pit. So they dug this out to

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<v Speaker 4>throw all the bodies with people who had the Black Death,

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<v Speaker 4>and they went and you know, the bubos of bubonic

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<v Speaker 4>plague they carry on forever. So all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 4>they decided not to dredge the Serpentine, largely on account

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<v Speaker 4>that it would have wiped out all of London with

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<v Speaker 4>the Black Death. So no, so that's why you won't

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<v Speaker 4>do it. But apparently it's very tary underneath that with

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<v Speaker 4>all the bodies.

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<v Speaker 1>I've just realized that I am sat in seventeenth century

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<v Speaker 1>cow stool, which is my office, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>cow stall when we took this on, and all I

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<v Speaker 1>did was sweep it out and plaster it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're going to actually an I'm just.

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<v Speaker 1>Looking around now it does What are the symptoms?

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<v Speaker 2>Should I google it?

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<v Speaker 1>If it's hair loss and beard growth?

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<v Speaker 2>You break me to it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and got a very deep voice, quick to anguid.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets a very deep pois all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, he's got anthras.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the excuse exactly. It's been a while since we've

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<v Speaker 1>all been together, and we should probably catch each other

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<v Speaker 1>up and catch the audience up on what we have

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<v Speaker 1>been up to, because I know Callum has some things

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<v Speaker 1>to share. So maybe we should let Callum go first

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<v Speaker 1>and then we can moderate him thereafter.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't got that much to share, audience. Yep, it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be long one. Now, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be Let me tell you what what I gone.

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<v Speaker 3>And did did?

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<v Speaker 2>I gone and did some fishing. Finally I got out fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people think it would be fishing in a capacity

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, have a very gentleman the afternoon, but

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<v Speaker 2>having children and dogs and a busy work schedule. The

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<v Speaker 2>fishing that I did have was always with children, which

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you've ever tried to be quiet

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<v Speaker 2>by a river with a five year old child that's

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<v Speaker 2>possessed by the spirit of K pop demon Hunters at

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<v Speaker 2>present and explained what CA Pop demon hunter is is

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<v Speaker 2>another time. But there's parents just chuckling because they know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I mean. But it's not quiet. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a quiet situation and not that conducive to actually fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I did get out a few times because it's

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<v Speaker 2>that perfect time of year where it just gets cold

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<v Speaker 2>enough and autumn is firmly here. Although we get in

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<v Speaker 2>some hot days and some colder days, but I'll always

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<v Speaker 2>turn my attention to the river when it gets cold,

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<v Speaker 2>and we we go perch fishing and chubfishing. Chubs tend

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<v Speaker 2>to be the sort of fish that will feed regardless

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<v Speaker 2>off there's snow on the ground. The chub will still

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<v Speaker 2>have a go pike will still be active, and perch

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<v Speaker 2>are a bit more finicky, but this time of year

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<v Speaker 2>they start they start getting very predatory and they feed

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot of bait fish. So I went perch

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<v Speaker 2>fishing and I lucked out catching a two pound perch

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<v Speaker 2>on my last cast. As I was heading back to

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<v Speaker 2>the car, I just saw this little, this little piece

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<v Speaker 2>of concrete as it dropped off, and I'll have a

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<v Speaker 2>go there. I had my one and a half year

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<v Speaker 2>old asleep in my left arm and my right arm

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<v Speaker 2>with a fishing rod. So when I hooked a very

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<v Speaker 2>big perch that then needed a land in that that

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't properly set up, it was somewhat of a

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<v Speaker 2>panic to get it in, but I did manage it

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<v Speaker 2>just about. No babies were dropped in the process. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even wake up from a nat which was good,

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<v Speaker 2>and I caught two pound perch. So that is basically

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<v Speaker 2>what I've been.

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<v Speaker 1>Up to life.

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<v Speaker 3>Big fish, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a big I haven't caught a big and

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<v Speaker 2>like that for quite a while, despite actually trying, and

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<v Speaker 2>when I wasn't really trying, I got lucky. That's always good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about as good as your life can get at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. That's that day, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty much snatching Snatching a joyful moment out of

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<v Speaker 2>a walk actually was quite nice. The baby saw some

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<v Speaker 2>I caught a couple of little Chubb as well. She

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was really good, and then she cried when

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<v Speaker 2>I put them back, which was which was also quite fun.

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<v Speaker 3>She wants to hit them on the head.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think you'd want to eat a chub. I

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<v Speaker 2>do know someone that ate a chub once, and they

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<v Speaker 2>said it was like eating cotton worn needles. They are

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<v Speaker 2>the probably one of the worst. They don't taste horrible,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't really have like a They look proper fill.

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<v Speaker 1>It mealy, like you know when you get a Mealia

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<v Speaker 1>apple sometimes crunch it. That's what chubb looked like. That

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<v Speaker 1>would just be all wrong in the texture.

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<v Speaker 2>I can imagine I don't know, like Smeegel eating one,

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<v Speaker 2>and that would be about it. That's all I have

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<v Speaker 2>it by head anyone that attempted. Somebody said the other

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<v Speaker 2>day that Dutch people often eat like an alley cat

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<v Speaker 2>and a cartoon, and I can't. I can't kind of

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<v Speaker 2>forget that, eating whole herrings and and fish like chub

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's our first nationality offended. I wasn't expect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, they don't get it enough, do they really.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Quite close to the Dutch obviously geographically speaking, and also

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<v Speaker 4>I'm quite tall and fair head, so therefore I mean

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<v Speaker 4>I actually am am relatively short.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a devil for clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>What honestly, I I find so much as sea windmill.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy with the tulips all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>But interestingly, I do know that the that it's not

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<v Speaker 4>the Dutch who eat sort of fish in a rather

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<v Speaker 4>bizarre way, but certainly the Koreans are very much into

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<v Speaker 4>sucking the eyeballs out of cooked fish. Because we used

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<v Speaker 4>to have a Korean restaurant in London right next door

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<v Speaker 4>to the barracks at High barb Barracks, and I can

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<v Speaker 4>remember once going in there just to see what it

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<v Speaker 4>was like and seeing this these Korean people and they

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<v Speaker 4>sort of sucking the eyeballs out of this I think

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<v Speaker 4>it was a cod or something like, something quite large,

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<v Speaker 4>and I thought, oh my god, you know, because there's

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<v Speaker 4>always that rumors about the dogs and stuff, but it

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<v Speaker 4>was how they ate fish that was very top cat type.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen this. We had it on a what I

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<v Speaker 1>used to do more with a wild food and we

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<v Speaker 1>used to have like whole day cooking courses. We cook

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<v Speaker 1>various bits of game and things We used to have

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<v Speaker 1>trout on there, and we had a Korean lady once

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<v Speaker 1>who was absolutely horrified that nobody else was eating the eyeballs,

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<v Speaker 1>so she went around sort of nicking all the eyeballs

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<v Speaker 1>out of everyone's trout heads, which again wasn't on my

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<v Speaker 1>bingo card for the day.

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<v Speaker 2>But interesting. I remember I got a first class fish

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<v Speaker 2>at a restaurant in Croatia, and the missus is barely

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<v Speaker 2>a pescatarian, but this was a nice fresh fish. She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, we'll have a bit of fish, and

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<v Speaker 2>the waiter just kept insisting on showing how fresh it

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<v Speaker 2>was by poking its eye like repeatedly, because once if

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<v Speaker 2>they're not, if they're more than like a day old,

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<v Speaker 2>the eye goes sort of like a gray color. So honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like giving him a tip just for him

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<v Speaker 2>not to keep poking this fish in the eye while

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<v Speaker 2>we were trying to eat. I could see the misses

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<v Speaker 2>over the table looking slightly horrified. And he also popped

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<v Speaker 2>the cheek out, which I did eat and it was delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you've never had cod cheek or any any

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<v Speaker 2>fish cheek, highly recommend it. The cheek is unbelievably good.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot speak for the eyeball.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a bit of fishing last week plus so

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<v Speaker 1>the end of Septembers or blurred into October, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure which is which, but it went out and

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<v Speaker 1>there's some I've got a course coming up. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to do my International Powerboat Operators something or other. So

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<v Speaker 1>we've been out on the boat messing around, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure we don't crash into rocks so we can

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<v Speaker 1>It was about I think it's about sixty meters deep

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<v Speaker 1>the feathers down the side of it. Oh, that sounds amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>You were just found like the little honey hung Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But what what are you what are you catchingrel?

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<v Speaker 1>Mackerel and them. I'd say about only about a third

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<v Speaker 1>lot of small fish, but a lot of fish. Just

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny the rivers, the river's changed the perch the

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<v Speaker 2>last few years. It's been really hard to catch them. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and now or you catch one, you catch the smaller fish.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen a few of my friends that are

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<v Speaker 2>and they've started catching bigger perch as well. And bear

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<v Speaker 2>to see lots of big perch, it's just it's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>or three years, we've not really seen much in the

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<v Speaker 2>way bigger fish in the river. But the perch life

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<v Speaker 2>cycles are only like seven years. So when you get

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<v Speaker 2>not going to catch anything for four years, four years stint,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you suddenly you'll start catching the bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Ones, like getting mass years with acorns and beechnuts, except

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's perch, and you can read about You can

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<v Speaker 1>read about mass years in scribe pound at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>because some wonderful person with a fantastic beard has just

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<v Speaker 1>written possibly the finest article ever written about mass years,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find a link for that in the

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<v Speaker 1>show description.

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<v Speaker 2>What master is.

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<v Speaker 4>If you read it on scribe pounds, callum, you'll find

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<v Speaker 4>out because that's got we know.

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<v Speaker 1>There's an audio version. You could listen to my voice.

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<v Speaker 3>You can listen to voice.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to the first to thirty seconds of like

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<v Speaker 2>the year the wood got a boner or wherever it was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a better title, Richard. What have you been up to?

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<v Speaker 3>What have I been up to? Wow?

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<v Speaker 4>I've been doing lots of hedge laying surprise surprise because

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<v Speaker 4>this time of year.

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<v Speaker 2>But also everybody drink had that exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, okay, and everyone I'm going to say the word.

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<v Speaker 4>Bill hooks because yeah, because I've actually passed over to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say again, but slash bill hooks.

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<v Speaker 4>This current hedge that I'm working on, I've actually put

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<v Speaker 4>my bill hook aside, and I'm having to use a

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<v Speaker 4>chainsaw as well, because it's it's a funny old thing

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<v Speaker 4>in because he's in the fence. Everything's grown very big

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<v Speaker 4>and you have and to try and chop some of

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<v Speaker 4>this stuff around to lay it properly with a bill

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<v Speaker 4>hook is just masochism. So I'm using my little chainsaw,

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<v Speaker 4>which is means that my poor old arms are aching

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<v Speaker 4>in different places. But what I've really been up to,

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<v Speaker 4>which I suppose is most noteworthy, is I went to

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<v Speaker 4>the British Guild of Agricultural Journalists annual awards lunch and

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<v Speaker 4>they have a lovely harvest festival service in Saint Beds

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<v Speaker 4>Church which is on Fleet Street, which is the church

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<v Speaker 4>dedicated to journalists. And then after that we went into.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't know there was such a wonderful Yeah, to make

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<v Speaker 3>a difference, is it's sadly? It's it was made quite

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<v Speaker 3>of arms?

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<v Speaker 1>Is just a pen if there's.

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<v Speaker 4>Any more of an ungodly journalists? Yes, it's quite, but

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<v Speaker 4>then that would be it.

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<v Speaker 2>But no collection plate must be awful.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah they steal it. Yeah, just think I'll have that

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<v Speaker 4>some beads. Yeah, it's one of Christopher Wren's churches. But

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<v Speaker 4>unfortunately the outside is currently clad in scaffold and wrigley

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<v Speaker 4>tin because it's being renovated at the moment a cost

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<v Speaker 4>of one point four million pounds. So obviously the new

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<v Speaker 4>Archbishop of Canterbury must have found some money down the

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<v Speaker 4>back of a cassock. And yes, so we went into there,

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<v Speaker 4>and then after that we went into the Stationers Hall,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the livery company of the stationers. So I

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<v Speaker 4>guess you know Marks and Spencer's and people know is

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<v Speaker 4>it marksus, Spencer's, wh Smith's. I'll be right, those sorts

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<v Speaker 4>of people Stationers Hall, where they then have a lovely

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<v Speaker 4>lunch and completely ruined by me being the guest speaker

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<v Speaker 4>giving my speech, and then they have an awards ceremony

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<v Speaker 4>after that for all the journalists and podcasters and vloggers

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<v Speaker 4>and various stuff who write in.

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<v Speaker 3>The agricultural press.

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<v Speaker 4>And it was very interesting to see them because obviously

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<v Speaker 4>these guys have got their finger on the pulse of

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<v Speaker 4>of of what's going on in farming at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>And I heard some good insider gossip, you know, like

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<v Speaker 4>there might actually be Rachel Reeves maybe possibly changing the

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<v Speaker 4>inheritance tanks debarkle, which she did, and she might go

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<v Speaker 4>and up it from one million pounds per farm to

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<v Speaker 4>five million pounds per person, which will give you a

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<v Speaker 4>ten million exemption on inheritance tax office farmland, which I

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<v Speaker 4>suppose maybe good.

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<v Speaker 3>May not be if you're a.

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<v Speaker 1>Man listen to it'd be good. But from the vast

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<v Speaker 1>majority of farms, then what was the point in all

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<v Speaker 1>of that?

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<v Speaker 3>Then? Wow, because it's just gonna it's bonkers.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is one of the interesting things right on

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<v Speaker 4>that topic, is that I've just written an article for

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<v Speaker 4>the Writtig about what farmers want from government, because clearly

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<v Speaker 4>one thing they don't want is a labor government.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, again that is a given.

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<v Speaker 4>But I spoke to quite a number of people within

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<v Speaker 4>the industry and one of the things I'd found out

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<v Speaker 4>was that the reason that the government in the first

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<v Speaker 4>place put inheritance tax on farms is because some of

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<v Speaker 4>the bean counters in the Treasury had managed to work

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<v Speaker 4>out they said it was going to bring in one

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<v Speaker 4>point eight billion pounds per year into the economy. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>it actually turns out that some slightly more clever being

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<v Speaker 4>counters in actually in the real world have done some

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<v Speaker 4>calculations and that the cost of actually implementing it, and

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<v Speaker 4>the cost of the exchequer because of the decline in farming,

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<v Speaker 4>is going to cost one point nine cost the exchequer

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<v Speaker 4>one point nine billion pounds per year, and then add

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<v Speaker 4>to that a three to four hundred million pound loss

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<v Speaker 4>per annum because all the farmers have gone off and

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<v Speaker 4>have spent huge amounts of money on getting tax advice

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<v Speaker 4>and legal advice on how they might be able to

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<v Speaker 4>avoid inheritance tax, which was actually bizarrely even suggested to

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<v Speaker 4>them by Rachel Reeves that they should get decent tax advice,

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<v Speaker 4>which they've now gone off and done. And the accountants

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<v Speaker 4>said that we can make some savings here, here, and here.

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<v Speaker 4>So there's actually an additional three to four hundred million

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<v Speaker 4>pounds per anum lost because all of a sudden the

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<v Speaker 4>farmers have become more tax efficient, but also of course,

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<v Speaker 4>because they've had a decline in their own revenues because

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<v Speaker 4>of all these various horrible taxes and impositions that have

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<v Speaker 4>been put onto them. So well done, Rachel Reeves. You

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<v Speaker 4>know you have done wonders for the agricultural economy and context.

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<v Speaker 1>I just did some very quick mouths. How many days

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<v Speaker 1>do you think one point eight billion would fund the

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<v Speaker 1>NHS for?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh ah, I don't know. A week go on?

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<v Speaker 1>Three point two days? Oh my, just to give you

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<v Speaker 1>an idea of how that fits into the the outgoings

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<v Speaker 1>of the nation. Three point two days. So that's based

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<v Speaker 1>on twenty twenty four spending. There's a website you can

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<v Speaker 1>go to that tells you because it's it's basically the

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<v Speaker 1>website exists for every time someone has says they will

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<v Speaker 1>save this much money, you can say how long would

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<v Speaker 1>that fund it? For?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>How long would five pounds a month take to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fund the NHS? Which is the princely sum that you

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<v Speaker 2>can spend if you support us on Patreon, ww dot country,

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<v Speaker 2>slide dot uk dot com one of those yeah, dot

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<v Speaker 2>to the after show and nice Twitter which is on

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<v Speaker 2>WhatsApp well, a specialist group that you can talk to

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, plus a very nice community.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell that that you don't do the ad

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<v Speaker 1>reads normally, do you? You can tell no, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a good time to mention this. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>were the first one to bring it up. So Amy

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<v Speaker 1>has given you a gold star as the only host

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<v Speaker 1>to remember. So you know that's another gold star pinned

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<v Speaker 1>on your chest.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a perfect seg as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's just going to say I'm not allowed to do

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<v Speaker 4>any of the plugs because if I mentioned the Internet

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<v Speaker 4>mine a fall over, So I'm not allowed to that.

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<v Speaker 1>We've sold your book already. You know, we've sold pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every single physical copy of your book in existence.

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<v Speaker 2>A people still believe your heads.

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<v Speaker 1>The only copies left of the book now in your

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<v Speaker 1>your your office.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's about I think there.

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<v Speaker 2>Are just keeping his desk, keeping his desk from copy left.

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<v Speaker 1>Stone floors.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've got because it's quite bizarre. We as

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<v Speaker 4>part of this thing for the Guild of Agricultural Journalists,

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<v Speaker 4>the winners, the poor sods, received a copy of my

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<v Speaker 4>of my book, so they got and I was watching them,

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<v Speaker 4>and we sold quite a few as well while we

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<v Speaker 4>were there, because Claire came with me and we had

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<v Speaker 4>a little sum up machine. And it's the supplies of

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<v Speaker 4>running down. And I think I think the four and

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<v Speaker 4>a half thousand copies printed, and I think there are

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<v Speaker 4>now about two hundred left. And the paperback doesn't come

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<v Speaker 4>out until February. So you know, I dare and even

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<v Speaker 4>try and sort of suggest the people buy my book

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<v Speaker 4>because it is you can't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's it's rare.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can buy. You can buy some from me,

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<v Speaker 1>because when I came over to see you last time

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<v Speaker 1>in August, I just nicked a whole half palette of

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<v Speaker 1>books from the office when you went looking. That's what's

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the back of the car down. So I've been

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<v Speaker 1>flogging them off here for a pound. I've been signing

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<v Speaker 1>them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you just put Richard Richard what you did.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I remember, so sorry about this, Sorry about the

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<v Speaker 3>right to tell us what you mean up to.

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<v Speaker 1>Which bit it's going to talk about Okay. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to London for work last week, the day before you did,

435
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<v Speaker 1>and there were a couple of highlights from it.

436
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<v Speaker 2>What was the low light?

437
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<v Speaker 1>Paying seven quid a pint. That was a pretty low point.

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<v Speaker 1>That was in Mayfair.

439
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<v Speaker 2>It's quite cheap though, genuine I'm not taking the mick.

440
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<v Speaker 2>That's actually well, they get over ten pounds semi regular.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I had a local guide I had for that

442
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<v Speaker 1>segment of the trip, but had another guide for the

443
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<v Speaker 1>rest of the day. But I'm not allowed to mention

444
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<v Speaker 1>who he is, but that bit of it I had

445
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<v Speaker 1>scry pounds very own and sometime guns on pegs. George

446
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<v Speaker 1>Brown was there. The he was They're showing me where

447
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<v Speaker 1>to go and what to do and who to talk to.

448
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<v Speaker 1>And then we basically had a business meeting leaning on

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<v Speaker 1>the window sill of a pub in Mayfair watching supercars

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<v Speaker 1>go by. I think when it saw the third different

451
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<v Speaker 1>gold plated Lambeou go past, you know we sort I

452
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<v Speaker 1>knew it wasn't in Kansas anymore, although there was a

453
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<v Speaker 1>place across the road which was either a gentleman's or

454
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<v Speaker 1>members only club or a very high level brothel, and

455
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<v Speaker 1>we weren't sure, and it was only after the day

456
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<v Speaker 1>afterwards I looked locked it up and center Georgia Link.

457
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<v Speaker 1>I went out as a club, not a brothel this time,

458
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<v Speaker 1>but it was. It's very difficult to tell from the

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<v Speaker 1>outside judging by the clientele going which is which. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know they were all wearing nice blazers and dressed appropriately.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the main thing, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not. It's not pervy if you wear a

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<v Speaker 4>blazer apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no. Although another thought was if you live

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<v Speaker 1>entirely in London, say you only live in Zone one

466
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<v Speaker 1>and two of London, and that's all you do. That's

467
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<v Speaker 1>where you go for work, and then at the weekends

468
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<v Speaker 1>you fly off to somewhere else, or you go out

469
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<v Speaker 1>to the park or you know, get you drive over

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<v Speaker 1>down to Cornwall or something like that. If that's all

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<v Speaker 1>you do, and that's what you grew up doing, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what you do from maybe leaving university to your

473
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<v Speaker 1>mid forties early fifties when you did that half retirement.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing you move out to the Shires. Your view

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<v Speaker 1>on what Britain is and who is in Britain and

476
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<v Speaker 1>the things that matter to the people of Britain will

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<v Speaker 1>bear no relevance to what's actually happening outside the m

478
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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. I don't. I know most of our audience

479
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.400
<v Speaker 1>won't be in London, but anyone who does live and

480
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<v Speaker 1>work there, you must know that your view on things

481
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<v Speaker 1>are completely will be completely skewed, whether you want it

482
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<v Speaker 1>to or not, because it's it's like nowhere else in

483
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<v Speaker 1>the country. It is a different country very much. Then

484
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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the tempt.

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<v Speaker 2>I always even Essex is so bizarre, and it's it's

486
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<v Speaker 2>recently I've had two separate people say, you know, we

487
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<v Speaker 2>live a very normal life. One's a very rural person

488
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<v Speaker 2>that does very eccentric hobbies and has sort of generational wealth,

489
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<v Speaker 2>which again doesn't live a normal life. And the other is,

490
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Essex has a very high paying job and

491
00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>thinks that they're perfectly normal, when really, when you know

492
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<v Speaker 2>what averages look like, that is not a representation of

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<v Speaker 2>modern day Britain. But I suppose that's that's one of

494
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>those amazing things that we've got such a such a

495
00:27:55.680 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>mad mix of people in here that have so wildly

496
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<v Speaker 2>different lived experiences like London's just crazy. Well that may

497
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<v Speaker 2>fair especially is mad.

498
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<v Speaker 1>That lived experience term, which is something that sort of

499
00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>came in during the and I really hate that term,

500
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:17.160
<v Speaker 1>but sort of the the woke years, but it's part

501
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 1>of that new language, new terminology. It does actually describe

502
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<v Speaker 1>the situation very well because everyone, and I know I've

503
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>talked about this before, but everyone has their own version

504
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>of reality based on their experiences, based on their inputs,

505
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:36.759
<v Speaker 1>based on the things they've observed, which my version of

506
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>reality is completely different to both of yours because I've

507
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<v Speaker 1>had very different experiences and I will see we could

508
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 1>both be looking at the same situation and see two

509
00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>completely well three completely different things because of that, and

510
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>it makes that kind of reflex of well, this is

511
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<v Speaker 1>what's happening completely pointless because there's no definitive truth, is there.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's one of the reasons why the Mayor

513
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<v Speaker 4>of London gets so much grief from so many people

514
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 4>outside of London, because his normality is London. And as

515
00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:17.519
<v Speaker 4>you've observed yourself, Richard, it's it's weird for us who

516
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 4>live in any rural it doesn't matter whether it's in

517
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<v Speaker 4>rural North Wales or rural Suffolk or even I suppose

518
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<v Speaker 4>we're Callum living on the sort of on the urban fringe.

519
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<v Speaker 4>And it's one of those weird things is that I've

520
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 4>been to London more often just of late, courtesy of

521
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:42.079
<v Speaker 4>the book. And I think probably that Sadiq Khan's vision

522
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 4>of London and you know how ethnic diversity, of opportunity

523
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:54.160
<v Speaker 4>and uh you know when you hear some of the

524
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 4>things that he wants to do as far as transport's concerned,

525
00:29:57.640 --> 00:30:00.880
<v Speaker 4>you know, and stop cars. We don't need well, no,

526
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.079
<v Speaker 4>you probably don't. If you lived in zone one and two,

527
00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:06.519
<v Speaker 4>you don't need a company really, I mean it's a hint.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, even in Essex were having been in

529
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Essex working in London, I didn't need to drive for

530
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<v Speaker 2>a long long time. So only now that I go

531
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>to shoot up and down the country and do more

532
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>rural based activities, I really didn't need to drive.

533
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, while Amy had to travel forty five minutes

534
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<v Speaker 1>to drop me off at the train.

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<v Speaker 2>Station, wow, exactly, I could be in London at that time.

536
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<v Speaker 4>It takes it takes us to go and it's quite bizarre.

537
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<v Speaker 4>If you jump on the train in Stowmarket, you can

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<v Speaker 4>be in London in about an hour and twenty minutes

539
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<v Speaker 4>hour and twenty five because it's like four stops and

540
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.720
<v Speaker 4>you're in if you catch the express and it's like

541
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 4>traveling to a different planet. But I have more sympathy

542
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 4>in a way way for Sadiq Khn't because his constituents

543
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.839
<v Speaker 4>are these people from a different planet, and we look

544
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 4>at him and go, well, you're bosstard because we're equoting

545
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 4>his place with ours and it's not. But equally so

546
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<v Speaker 4>he is sort of seen because he's the met of

547
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 4>London that somehow this must be well, if it's all

548
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.359
<v Speaker 4>right for London, then it's all right for you. And

549
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.559
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's probably a malaise that goes through

550
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.319
<v Speaker 4>so much of politics as a whole, is because these

551
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 4>dudes spend a long, long, long long while in their

552
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:42.079
<v Speaker 4>gilded cages. You know, look at our Prime minister, look

553
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 4>at the Energy Minister, all Londoners more or less, and

554
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 4>they're just they really are so out of touch with

555
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 4>anywhere outside of you know, the s W postcodes of London,

556
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<v Speaker 4>the bloody idiots.

557
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<v Speaker 3>So this little one that they do daft things.

558
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<v Speaker 1>So what's this thing about lemurs.

559
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<v Speaker 3>Ah daft things? Yes, there we go, Gin, Do you

560
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<v Speaker 3>know what professional you know Arthur podcasts, eat your heart.

561
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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was, but it still wasn't good.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just saying, Okay, so brilliant story broken by Patrick

563
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<v Speaker 4>Galbraith in his new role as the environment correspondent for

564
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.880
<v Speaker 4>the Telegraph. And he rang me up and he said,

565
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<v Speaker 4>I want your quote. What's your opinion on this story

566
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<v Speaker 4>about the lemurs? And you can imagine what. I didn't

567
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<v Speaker 4>touch them. I didn't do it. It wasn't my fault. And

568
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 4>basically he found out a story that Keith star Keir

569
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<v Speaker 4>Starmer has Keith Keith Starmer has sent thirty five million

570
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<v Speaker 4>pounds of our money to Madagascar for an overseas conservation

571
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<v Speaker 4>project looking after lemurs. So thirty five million quid and

572
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.480
<v Speaker 4>the piece is quite funny. We'll put the link in

573
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<v Speaker 4>the old show notes thing. Excuse me, but I am

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<v Speaker 4>very pleased that I've probably got the greatest quote that

575
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<v Speaker 4>I've ever given in my entire life to anywhere. And

576
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<v Speaker 4>I'll just quote mind a bit in this article. Richard Nigas,

577
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<v Speaker 4>a hedge layer and conservationist from Suffolk, said, thirty five

578
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:41.759
<v Speaker 4>million pounds may seem to some like a drop in

579
00:33:41.799 --> 00:33:45.640
<v Speaker 4>the ocean, but if you invested that money in farmland conservation,

580
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 4>that thirty five million will bring a direct benefit back

581
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<v Speaker 4>to the people of Britain. It seems to be daft

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<v Speaker 4>that there is no inward investment in habitat. And then

583
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<v Speaker 4>it goes on to think, say mister Niggers said he

584
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<v Speaker 4>believe that Sakir's support in the countryside was non existent.

585
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<v Speaker 4>Adding something as daft as chucking money at Lema's in

586
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.719
<v Speaker 4>Madagascar is just going to be met with a shaking

587
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.199
<v Speaker 4>of heads. People will just be thinking, who are you

588
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 4>you moron? The lemurs might go thumbs up with their

589
00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 4>funny sticky out thumbs. But what a British wildlife? Now

590
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 4>that's the question I'd like to pose. Right, it's clearly

591
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<v Speaker 4>a stupid idea. I mean, why are we doing it?

592
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<v Speaker 4>It's what's it called? It's colonialism still, isn't it. Starmer

593
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<v Speaker 4>is going, I'm really unpopular unfortunately in Britain, so I

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<v Speaker 4>go and make the Madagascars love.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't have the Starmer impression, didn't.

596
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>Focused on murs.

597
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<v Speaker 1>And it's also is John Major impression as well?

598
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:56.280
<v Speaker 3>No, John Major was more. He just talked about cricket

599
00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 3>all the time. He had a match high ice in

600
00:34:58.280 --> 00:34:59.559
<v Speaker 3>that head device like that.

601
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<v Speaker 2>It was almost it was almost a Victor Meldrey.

602
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<v Speaker 1>He was Scottish.

603
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it anyway.

604
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Ah No, that's actually mym Ronnie Corbett, wasn't it anyway?

605
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<v Speaker 1>I've only just twigged Victim Meldrew is meant to be Scottish.

606
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because he is Scottish in real life. He just

607
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<v Speaker 4>did his own voice, that's all. That's not acting, that's

608
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 4>just literally reading words out. I could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>The other week and we did have Amy Amy asking

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<v Speaker 1>why Pierce Brosnan was doing an Irish accent in Mobland

611
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<v Speaker 1>and that point out that actually he is Irish. Yes, quite, But.

612
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<v Speaker 4>The fact is is that why if this Irish accent

613
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.400
<v Speaker 4>that he keeps adopting all the time for everything is

614
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 4>much broader than his own and it's not even a

615
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<v Speaker 4>very good Irish accent.

616
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<v Speaker 3>I can't work this out. I mean, he's Irish, but

617
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<v Speaker 3>he can't do that accent anyway. Right back to.

618
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<v Speaker 1>Lina listening to Britain's Best Rural Podcast. Yeah, we should

619
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>have won the Journalism awards.

620
00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Danny Dire and I went to the same school, but.

621
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<v Speaker 1>I explained a lot.

622
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<v Speaker 2>Did you really we've just been putting on for such

623
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<v Speaker 2>a long time.

624
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 1>How far away are you from right now?

625
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 2>What mine?

626
00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Wait?

627
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Who's listed? Who's asking.

628
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Hold on?

629
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<v Speaker 2>Who wants some? I'm not doing deliveries tonight.

630
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<v Speaker 3>But.

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<v Speaker 1>If you get your delivery anyway, Lemurs.

632
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<v Speaker 2>So that's where that's the cover. He's just put that

633
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<v Speaker 2>on expenses, mate, he said, Madagascar. Lemurs will just send that,

634
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the boys will bring it across in a boat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the cover for Kiir. It's a big old Boris Johnson.

636
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<v Speaker 2>It's like cheese and.

637
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<v Speaker 1>Wine, million of lima.

638
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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy.

639
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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a party, it was jeez and wine. So

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<v Speaker 2>my question to you then, who funds Columbia soon? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>What I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know is it that's also his fozzy bearing a milibad.

643
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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, Listen, if we had thirty five million quid, right

644
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:14.039
<v Speaker 4>we weren't going to spaff it up the Madagascar wall,

645
00:37:16.519 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 4>what would you spend thirty five million pounds on.

646
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<v Speaker 3>On British wildlife conservation?

647
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<v Speaker 4>Because he has decided to cut, you know, significant wedges

648
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 4>out of the SFI. He has removed a lot, whether

649
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.719
<v Speaker 4>he likes it or not, he has removed money from

650
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 4>out of the pockets of farmers who were doing great

651
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<v Speaker 4>things for wildlife.

652
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 3>So if we were.

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<v Speaker 4>Rather than giving it to Madagascar lemurs, what should we

654
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<v Speaker 4>be spending thirty five million pounds on?

655
00:37:51.159 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 3>What's the what's the What would you do? Richard? First

656
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<v Speaker 3>of all, what do you spend thirty five million?

657
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I wouldn't spend change who to a rory used

658
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 1>to be called Sondonia National Parks because that's basically what

659
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty five millionaires is twice their budget, nearly twice in

660
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<v Speaker 1>a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a lot of money. Really, thirty five millionaires,

662
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:17.400
<v Speaker 2>you could do a hell of a lot with that.

663
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we were currently with the Social Enterprise,

664
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<v Speaker 1>but I'm basically volunteering on. We're trying to do a

665
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<v Speaker 1>hell of a lot with a couple of tens of

666
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 1>grand And that's not how you say twenty grand is

667
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>that you don't say a couple of tens But we're

668
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>trying to do a lot of that with thirty five million.

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00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>There I could pretty much revamp every field edge and

670
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>butterfield margin across the entirety of Wales. When you're looking

671
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 1>at how to spend this sort of thing, you have

672
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>to look at who you're going to be spending it with,

673
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>because if you gave out to any government department as

674
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:02.679
<v Speaker 1>a budget, they would eat two thirds of it working

675
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 1>out what to do with the last third initially, and

676
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the bureaucratic machine eats so much money. But then you've

677
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:16.280
<v Speaker 1>got planning phases, scoping, confrontations, stuff like that. And then

678
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you've got the operational side of that, which often involves

679
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>fixed pricing, huge contracts, and the sort of people who

680
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:29.599
<v Speaker 1>bid for things and they say, well, to do that,

681
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>that's going to cost seven hundred and fifty grand, and

682
00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 1>you go back and you say, well that's too much.

683
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>They go all right, we'll do it for three hundred. Okay,

684
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:39.559
<v Speaker 1>So you could have done it for three hundred at

685
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:41.320
<v Speaker 1>the start then, but no one ever goes back to

686
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 1>ask for that second amount that without thirty five million.

687
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:51.039
<v Speaker 1>If you gave it to the right people who cared

688
00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 1>about the outcome beyond anything else, you could do a

689
00:39:55.840 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>hell of a lot with that in if you just

690
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 1>did it, and can tiguously across the landscape as well.

691
00:40:02.440 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Just spread it across one place here and start here,

692
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 1>and we'll do this bit, and they'll do this bit next,

693
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:08.119
<v Speaker 1>and this bit next, and this bit next and do

694
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:11.840
<v Speaker 1>it a long line. You could restore most of the

695
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 1>rivers in Wales. Yeah with that, yeah you and you

696
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>could do it all legally, but you would if you

697
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>gave it to a big organization like we have here

698
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>in Wales. We have Natural Resources Whales, which is it's

699
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 1>like Forestry Commission and Environment Agency and Natural England and

700
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 1>a few other things that all rolled into one big

701
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 1>organization that eats money and it has it has a

702
00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:44.119
<v Speaker 1>terrible reputation as well for spending money and for being

703
00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>accountable for it. But they've also got these really big

704
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 1>crusading things they want to do. Like one of the

705
00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.639
<v Speaker 1>things at the moment is the banning of release of

706
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.199
<v Speaker 1>reared game birds in Wales, which is troublingly close to

707
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>actually happen. So much so and this is where I'm

708
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:07.000
<v Speaker 1>going with this diversion. There's a new national park planned

709
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 1>for Northeast Wales, and there at the moment they're going

710
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 1>round and the sort of opening up village halls and

711
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>other places to do the public consultation thing where there's

712
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:17.639
<v Speaker 1>like all these brochurees on the table and you go

713
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 1>around and they say this is where the boarders are

714
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.199
<v Speaker 1>going to be and this is what we're going to do,

715
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and we're right on the edge of it. We're not

716
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 1>in it, but we're right on the edge of it.

717
00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 1>The I've been sent a photo from somebody who's been

718
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>to one of the scoping things, and there there's the

719
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 1>page which is titled Drivers for National Park Designation Overview

720
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>of Key Drivers for Designation. As part of its work

721
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to assess the case for a new National Park natural

722
00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 1>resource as well as conducted an initial engagement exercise in

723
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.719
<v Speaker 1>October to November twenty twenty three. The engagement report following

724
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 1>this designation summarize the key drivers for designation that's follows.

725
00:41:54.119 --> 00:41:55.719
<v Speaker 1>So this is the reason they're going to do it.

726
00:41:56.159 --> 00:42:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Number two, to conserve and enhance wildlife and buyer diversity.

727
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>A new national park would help protect and enhance the

728
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:10.719
<v Speaker 1>area's rich wildlife and habitats from garden species like torny

729
00:42:10.760 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 1>owls and badgers. Famous garden badger.

730
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to my attorney, I actually ride to the badger.

731
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 1>To rare flora and fauna. And then this is the

732
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>second half of the entire biodiversity section. It would offer

733
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 1>greater protection from pressures such as game birder rearing, and

734
00:42:33.199 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 1>play a role in tackling the wider biodiversity crisis. So

735
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the only thing highlighted in the National Park's reason for

736
00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.920
<v Speaker 1>designation under biodiversity as a problem is game bird rearing.

737
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>So that gives you an insight sort of into the

738
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.679
<v Speaker 1>single minded focus that you get from larger organizations when

739
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>you do spend money in this country. But also something

740
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 1>that will actually will be quite costly be to implement

741
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and cause a lot of problems economically for the rural

742
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:13.199
<v Speaker 1>for the rural economy. So my thirty five million spend

743
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 1>would be look at something linear and connected like headerows

744
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 1>or edges or riparian corridors or something like that. Start

745
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:25.679
<v Speaker 1>at one end and work your way through until the

746
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 1>money ran out, spending it like it was your own money,

747
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 1>not like its imaginary tax payer money. That's how I'd

748
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>spend it.

749
00:43:32.599 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Cool, what would you spend it on?

750
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Col I was just trying to I look at some

751
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>of these from marketing point of view. Right, You've got

752
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>to think that there's certain animals that you spend a

753
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:51.360
<v Speaker 2>hell of a lot of money. But panders don't breed

754
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:55.679
<v Speaker 2>very quickly. Managed in one year in two thousand and six,

755
00:43:55.920 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>they manage thirty panders bread and it costs billions every year,

756
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 2>so you end up spending lots and lots of money

757
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:09.480
<v Speaker 2>for very slow, marginal game. But people like them and

758
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 2>they do make money back for the zoos, so kind

759
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of balances it out.

760
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a diplomacy tool as well, isn't there. It's used

761
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:20.880
<v Speaker 1>to sort of China gives you a panda and then

762
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you have to talk to them.

763
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was actually how I how I met

764
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 2>my missus.

765
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>What China gave you a panda?

766
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 2>No, I just gave her a Bacardi Breezer. Then she

767
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 2>had to talk to me and then and then you know,

768
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:38.960
<v Speaker 2>next thing. We've got two kids and we're going to

769
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 2>spend five million pounds on Bacardi breezeres.

770
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.719
<v Speaker 1>That is a terrible giving Bcardi breezes.

771
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

772
00:44:48.639 --> 00:45:02.719
<v Speaker 2>No, they drink panda pops. Okay, right, sorry, you deserve that. No,

773
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 2>you'd have a cost benefit you'd have to do a

774
00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:10.159
<v Speaker 2>cost benefit analysis. Amy said, I remember handed pops.

775
00:45:10.199 --> 00:45:11.519
<v Speaker 1>That's because she's poor and northern.

776
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did love. Oh god God knows used to

777
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>eyes used to twitch after drinking one of those so

778
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>many e numbers in that thing. You'd like, you'd be.

779
00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely so they were squeezing them out to make the numbers.

780
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.400
<v Speaker 2>I went to I went to London Aquarium and they've

781
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 2>got there's lots of conservation stuff and there was the

782
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 2>old sea turtles there and I look at them and

783
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>they're quite majestic. But then at the same time, every

784
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:48.360
<v Speaker 2>time I drink a coke from McDonald's for a paper straw,

785
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.719
<v Speaker 2>I think, is it really worth it? Could? Couldn't we

786
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.880
<v Speaker 2>just have the plastic ones back? I could do a

787
00:45:55.880 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 2>few less.

788
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.599
<v Speaker 5>I mean no, I don't really think that that was

789
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 5>just a terrible joke, but it does bear the question

790
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.119
<v Speaker 5>of safety turtles.

791
00:46:07.159 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, safety turtles some of the some of the things

792
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:18.880
<v Speaker 2>we put money into to save. I put nature documentaries

793
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>on for my son and try and get him to

794
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:26.519
<v Speaker 2>watch stuff that's not terrible, like really dopamine spiking things

795
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. So we watch a bit of Attenborough to

796
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:33.679
<v Speaker 2>restore balance. And there's lots of things about the rainforest

797
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:38.519
<v Speaker 2>and how quickly the rainforest is just if you look

798
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>at the periods over the years of how big it

799
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 2>was versus how small it is now and the deforestation

800
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>that is horrendous. If there's a way to stop some

801
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:54.199
<v Speaker 2>of the deforestation and put habitat there. I'm all for it.

802
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I know it's not an outdoorstep, and probably we shouldn't

803
00:46:56.400 --> 00:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>be sending large sums of money when we've got habitat

804
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 2>to create. But you'd have to do a cost benefit

805
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>analysis to there must be huge amounts of money wasted

806
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:16.159
<v Speaker 2>trying to save charismatic large creatures that probably will die

807
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>out in the cor that's me, charismatic large creatures.

808
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 1>That that just don't you know.

809
00:47:28.440 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>They're just not worth it, especially when you've got when

810
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you've got you know, species close to home that are

811
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 2>so rapidly in the gassen. Hedgehog, right, I used to

812
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:45.159
<v Speaker 2>see hedgehogs all the time. We have basically zero hedgehogs

813
00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.119
<v Speaker 2>around here. It's all one that the dog barked at

814
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.880
<v Speaker 2>in the garden. But when I was a boy, if

815
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 2>I ever stayed out late and I walked home, you'd

816
00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:57.559
<v Speaker 2>probably bump into a hedgehog. How big were you'd always be?

817
00:47:58.760 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 3>I feel hobbit.

818
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:02.000
<v Speaker 2>When I was is that.

819
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Tom thumb on the tripping over hedgehog.

820
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 3>With his breezes.

821
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.519
<v Speaker 2>He Actually you'd always see them getting smashed by cars.

822
00:48:13.559 --> 00:48:18.480
<v Speaker 2>I think cars are also one of the great the

823
00:48:18.519 --> 00:48:22.519
<v Speaker 2>apex predators of the hedgehog huge numbers.

824
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, the most sensible.

825
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 2>The decline must be crazy.

826
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 4>The most sensible thing, right is an interesting thing, right

827
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 4>You look at the hedgehog right, and yes, we know

828
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:36.719
<v Speaker 4>that the badger has certainly got a role to play

829
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 4>in them their demise. It's not it's not so binary

830
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 4>as the fact we've got more badgers, so therefore all

831
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 4>the hedgehogs have died out.

832
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 3>There's many, many other things, but.

833
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:52.639
<v Speaker 4>The thing that I would say that thirty five million

834
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 4>pounds could be better spent on is firstly, don't let

835
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.480
<v Speaker 4>the RSPB Wildlife Trust or anyone like that anywhere near it.

836
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.239
<v Speaker 4>We know that the State of Nature report produced by

837
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.880
<v Speaker 4>Natural England and their mates with RSPB et al was

838
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 4>a complete load of bunkum, right, We know that that

839
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:13.920
<v Speaker 4>was silly. So therefore what we really need to have

840
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 4>is some proper baseline surveying of actually the true state

841
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 4>of nature. And so therefore if we actually got there's

842
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:28.679
<v Speaker 4>now well over one hundred farm clusters across England and Wales,

843
00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 4>So why don't we go And we've already got these

844
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:37.800
<v Speaker 4>farm clusters up and running. It covers a significant amount of.

845
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:40.119
<v Speaker 3>Land.

846
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.239
<v Speaker 4>Farmland, let's actually go and find really what they asked.

847
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 4>If you spent that thirty five million quid on getting

848
00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 4>a reliable baseline survey with what we need to do

849
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 4>is a fairly straightforward thing. It's not like you're going

850
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 4>to have to go and we've got the data on

851
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 4>our one. We haven't had to use countless drones and

852
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.519
<v Speaker 4>lied are and stuff like that. We just use human

853
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:08.760
<v Speaker 4>beings who are decent naturalists who can count and identify

854
00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 4>what they're looking at. So if you spend that thirty

855
00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:16.280
<v Speaker 4>five million quid on baseline surveying as much land as

856
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 4>you possibly could, yeah, that's a good one, then you

857
00:50:19.719 --> 00:50:22.239
<v Speaker 4>would know actually where we're at. And then you might

858
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 4>go and say, okay, the hedgehog population in Essex is

859
00:50:27.960 --> 00:50:32.159
<v Speaker 4>declining or is non existent. Let's go and look at

860
00:50:32.159 --> 00:50:34.880
<v Speaker 4>the reasons why, and then you can start mitigating and

861
00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 4>you can start working out, because otherwise you get these

862
00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:41.440
<v Speaker 4>one size fits all policies where oh, well yeah, you know,

863
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 4>people go, oh, there's no curlews. Well that is quite true,

864
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 4>but there's lots of places where the curly never was anyway.

865
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean, gray partridges are not going to be in

866
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 4>heavily wooded areas, right, so therefore there's no point going

867
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 4>to say, right, we're going to go and concentrate on

868
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.159
<v Speaker 4>the gray partridge and bring them back. Well, gray partridges

869
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:02.960
<v Speaker 4>never actually exist. This did that often in I don't know, Surry,

870
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 4>because the whole place is covered in trees.

871
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 2>So baseline, to be fair, I said, I said, hedgehog,

872
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:14.400
<v Speaker 2>But what good is bringing? You know, you could spend

873
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 2>a million quid bringing the hedgehog back to my town

874
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 2>and then they all get run over by cars because

875
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 2>it's more populated than ever. So unless you can whereas

876
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm reflecting on times when the hedgehogs were in the

877
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 2>street and you could see you could see them, you know,

878
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.000
<v Speaker 2>around gardens. I mean we could help by not having

879
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 2>AstroTurf in everybody's garden and actually having hedgerows and stuff.

880
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:46.400
<v Speaker 2>But the point is it's whether the money is well

881
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 2>spent to bring creatures back in specific places. So yeah,

882
00:51:51.199 --> 00:51:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that analysis of where you could spend a

883
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>little money and have a big packed that is the

884
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 2>crucial thing for well Amy's. Amy's got some suggestions. The

885
00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:14.519
<v Speaker 2>water bowl headshog, hazel, dormice, black grouse, kappa kaylee and bees.

886
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Bees bees bee.

887
00:52:18.480 --> 00:52:20.239
<v Speaker 4>Here's an interesting thing, right, this is a good thing

888
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.440
<v Speaker 4>for you, callum right, get your kids to watch. I

889
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:29.280
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't usually go and promote a BBC show other than

890
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:34.760
<v Speaker 4>Farming today, but if you watch Hams's Hidden Wild Isles,

891
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.360
<v Speaker 4>that's some Hamsa. He who won Strictly Come Dancing is

892
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:43.039
<v Speaker 4>a very very very talented Oh yeah yeah, a big,

893
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:48.000
<v Speaker 4>big black guy with amazing dreadlocks down he right, there's

894
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.679
<v Speaker 4>a new series out which where he's got Hams as

895
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 4>Hidden wild Owls and the first ones in spring. He

896
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 4>comes to Suffolk and he goes to my neighbors, the

897
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:03.400
<v Speaker 4>Barkers Westhorpe, who I've often spoken about, and they're looking

898
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:05.920
<v Speaker 4>there at the brown hair.

899
00:53:06.679 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Now a.

900
00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:13.360
<v Speaker 4>It's fascinating because even they can't find the Leveretts because

901
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 4>they put up these drones with thermal on and they

902
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.079
<v Speaker 4>can't find the leverts. They can find hairs, I mean,

903
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:23.159
<v Speaker 4>because they're literally the place is crawling with hairs. The

904
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 4>whole county here has got hairs everywhere. But they can't

905
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 4>find the Leveretts. And that's because they don't send out

906
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.800
<v Speaker 4>much of a heat pattern, and even their fancy drones gone.

907
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:37.840
<v Speaker 2>From now they didn't have hick micro It's probably no.

908
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:41.480
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, what they so, what it proves is that

909
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.880
<v Speaker 4>because but and he was honest enough, because they didn't.

910
00:53:46.199 --> 00:53:46.679
<v Speaker 3>See it.

911
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.159
<v Speaker 4>He was He wasn't saying well, there's clearly lots of

912
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 4>leveretts about, because there's clearly gazillions of hairs here. Yet

913
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 4>if you believe the narrative which is pushed out by

914
00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 4>the brown hair is in decline, well it ain't in

915
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 4>suffer and you can watch that if in reality on

916
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.679
<v Speaker 4>this hams as while hidden wild OL's program. But I

917
00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:12.239
<v Speaker 4>think it's something whereby if you were to spend that

918
00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.360
<v Speaker 4>thirty five million, you're going to find out things that

919
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:19.519
<v Speaker 4>should be there in certain parts of the country and

920
00:54:19.559 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 4>then you can start mitigating for it.

921
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 3>You know.

922
00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Is it because of habitat decline? Is it because the

923
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.960
<v Speaker 4>farming practices have buggered it up? Is it because the

924
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.119
<v Speaker 4>hedgehog is not able to move around because everyone's putting

925
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 4>up wooden fences? Is it because the I don't know,

926
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:41.920
<v Speaker 4>for example, that the honey bee has now so prevalent

927
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 4>that is actually making certain bumblebee species. You know, you

928
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.920
<v Speaker 4>get some honest answers, not produced by a bloke with

929
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 4>a bloody lidar or a drone, and not produced by

930
00:54:55.159 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 4>some flipping charity that wants to go and already have

931
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:03.320
<v Speaker 4>the priests posed idea. Everything's very nearly dead and the

932
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:05.920
<v Speaker 4>only way that we can bring it back is by

933
00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:10.280
<v Speaker 4>donating more money to our appeal for insert this here,

934
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.559
<v Speaker 4>And I think that thirty five million pounds could be

935
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:19.519
<v Speaker 4>well spent administered by Not Natural England because they're clearly useless,

936
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:22.800
<v Speaker 4>So let it be administered by I don't know if

937
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.320
<v Speaker 4>someone this broke, because me, I'll administer it.

938
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 3>There you go, I'll put my hat in the ring.

939
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm going to add a bit on the top

940
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 1>here because following on from last week's disastrous episode with

941
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Kat Frampton, and we will have cat on again to

942
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:39.639
<v Speaker 1>go through the topic properly and just talk about farming

943
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:41.519
<v Speaker 1>on Dartmore because it was some really cool stuff she

944
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>talked about there that I won't give away here, but

945
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>we will have Cat back on. One of the things

946
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 1>we talked about in there was that complete lack of

947
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 1>baseline data because there's such an over reliance on I

948
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.280
<v Speaker 1>think it was just said on the episode when Amy

949
00:55:55.400 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 1>was allowed to talk briefly the local ecological record keeping

950
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 1>and record keeping organizations that if people aren't submitting records,

951
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:08.679
<v Speaker 1>then that thing doesn't exist in those places, and it's

952
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>very difficult to get an overview of what is actually

953
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.480
<v Speaker 1>happening from that data. So weirdly, this is something that

954
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 1>the Yanks do better than us. So they have something

955
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:23.960
<v Speaker 1>called the Pittman Robertson Act, which is it was set

956
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:27.400
<v Speaker 1>up in nineteen thirty seven, but it's an eleven percent

957
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 1>tax on firearms, ammunition, stuff related to shooting and hunting,

958
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and that is ring fence. So you buy ammunition and

959
00:56:36.840 --> 00:56:40.719
<v Speaker 1>a gun in Montana saying you're eleven percent tax on

960
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:46.480
<v Speaker 1>their stays within Montana and funds their state wildlife services.

961
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 1>One of the primary things it's funds is baseline and

962
00:56:51.199 --> 00:56:56.519
<v Speaker 1>then continual monitoring of species numbers, so radio tracking and

963
00:56:56.519 --> 00:57:01.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Because the idea is that almost all

964
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:03.960
<v Speaker 1>the hunting in the States is wild game one type

965
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:06.400
<v Speaker 1>of another. There's very little released hunting. There's some high

966
00:57:06.400 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 1>fence stuff in Texas some places like that, but most

967
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:16.559
<v Speaker 1>of it is wild game. So you everywhere is grouse shooting. Basically,

968
00:57:16.719 --> 00:57:18.719
<v Speaker 1>you have to have the habitat in order to have

969
00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.119
<v Speaker 1>the things to be able to hunt. They issue the

970
00:57:21.199 --> 00:57:25.519
<v Speaker 1>hunting licenses based per year based on the number based

971
00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:28.920
<v Speaker 1>on the surplus. Basically, you know how many surplus animals,

972
00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.920
<v Speaker 1>how many white tailed deer, how many elk whatever can

973
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you shoot? And then the locations where you can shoot

974
00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is given out as well as you have parcels of

975
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 1>land and you have sort of numbers of there are

976
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 1>five hunting tags for this parcel of land in Montana

977
00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 1>or Idahoa somewhere where you can shoot elk this summer,

978
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.800
<v Speaker 1>well this summer wouldn't be in the summer this season.

979
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>That is all dictated by that state's wildlife department, and

980
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that is funded in part by attax on the stuff

981
00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 1>used to it. So what are we meant to be?

982
00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Like?

983
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:04.639
<v Speaker 1>Ten billion or something is a value of shooting if

984
00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 1>you believe all those surveys, which not sure I do

985
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:14.880
<v Speaker 1>believe everything, but it's a very nice number. So if

986
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.440
<v Speaker 1>you did an eleven percent levee or a ten percent

987
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 1>levee in that on just on the guns and the

988
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:24.199
<v Speaker 1>stuff and everything sold at the game fare, what would

989
00:58:24.199 --> 00:58:26.199
<v Speaker 1>that yield what would be able to come from that.

990
00:58:26.239 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is an argument that's effectively what already

991
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 1>happens on good shoots. But there are these mechanisms we

992
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:38.599
<v Speaker 1>could use, we could use to fund conservation in the UK.

993
00:58:38.679 --> 00:58:40.840
<v Speaker 1>There are these other models. You know, people keep saying

994
00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 1>about the NHS, we could fund it using the French

995
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.599
<v Speaker 1>system or the Australian system or whatever. There are other

996
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 1>models of doing wildlife conservation which doesn't involve just giving

997
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>tens of millions of pounds to a charity.

998
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Correct the rug licenses.

999
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the closest thing to the closest.

1000
00:58:57.239 --> 00:58:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Thing you can possibly get. That. A lot of that

1001
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 2>money goes back to the EA, and the EA for

1002
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.360
<v Speaker 2>all their thoughts, they do do positive things and they

1003
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:12.000
<v Speaker 2>generally they're pretty good. I mean, yeah, whenever we've had

1004
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.119
<v Speaker 2>so we had a group on Facebook called the Perch

1005
00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Posse and yeah, and at one point one of the

1006
00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:29.440
<v Speaker 2>guys spotted a few fish dyeing, gave the someone else

1007
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:31.480
<v Speaker 2>dropped in and said, yeah, I'm going to go back

1008
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:34.119
<v Speaker 2>down there. In like twelve hours, a few more fish died.

1009
00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Call was made by several members into the EA, and

1010
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.519
<v Speaker 2>within twenty four hours they came down and put pumps

1011
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 2>down with air ass because the oxygen has crashed in

1012
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the water. So their quick response probably saved a lot

1013
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 2>of fish out of out of this particular section of

1014
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:58.039
<v Speaker 2>the river. So you know that must cost a lot

1015
00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:00.320
<v Speaker 2>of money. That was a lot of our our rod

1016
01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 2>licenses going into our very specific local piece of river.

1017
01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:07.119
<v Speaker 2>So they do do They are quick on hand, and

1018
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:09.960
<v Speaker 2>they A lot of people have a lot of negative

1019
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.840
<v Speaker 2>things to say about the EA and the money wasting

1020
01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:16.440
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, but all in all good eggs and it's

1021
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a it's a well funded thing. Maybe we need something

1022
01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:22.039
<v Speaker 2>like that for nature and conservation. Every time you buy

1023
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.840
<v Speaker 2>a bag of peanuts in the supermarket to feed the

1024
01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:28.400
<v Speaker 2>birds back into.

1025
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Toppenssh happens.

1026
01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what, I think that should have been

1027
01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:43.840
<v Speaker 2>our outro.

1028
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 3>I think we have.

1029
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 1>Hit I think we have hit autism.

1030
01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:56.239
<v Speaker 4>I think we've hit the thing there is that we

1031
01:00:56.280 --> 01:00:59.480
<v Speaker 4>could have used that thirty five million pounds and then

1032
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:04.920
<v Speaker 4>it should have been matched funded by a levy on

1033
01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.760
<v Speaker 4>the alleged ten billion witch shooting's worth to the economy. Right,

1034
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 4>we sometimes somehow have to find that ten billion where

1035
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 4>it actually is and get match funded. Another thirty five

1036
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:21.119
<v Speaker 4>million from that, so they then got seventy million which

1037
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:28.079
<v Speaker 4>goes into baseline surveying England and then Wales can do

1038
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:31.320
<v Speaker 4>the same and Scotland can do.

1039
01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Care there let's vote for exactly traitors.

1040
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.280
<v Speaker 2>So what have we done? Did we offend the Koreans?

1041
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:43.199
<v Speaker 3>I think we just we just highlighted.

1042
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.880
<v Speaker 2>We just we just said they like the eyes. We

1043
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:50.760
<v Speaker 2>said that Dutch people eat like a cartoon cat. Well,

1044
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 2>I say we was me specifically mean and I guess

1045
01:01:57.280 --> 01:01:57.800
<v Speaker 2>the Scotts.

1046
01:01:57.840 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we've just fought the Battle of Flodden here, So

1047
01:02:00.880 --> 01:02:03.159
<v Speaker 4>there we go. You know, we've we've done quite well. Really,

1048
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:08.440
<v Speaker 4>we've offended very few, relatively speaking. We've offended the Scottish

1049
01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:13.159
<v Speaker 4>National Party. Well never mind a that serves them right

1050
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:16.719
<v Speaker 4>for wanting to go and have their village.

1051
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:19.199
<v Speaker 2>I think it's another great episode.

1052
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:22.400
<v Speaker 4>There we go, We've done well. Our work here I

1053
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.000
<v Speaker 4>think is done. It must surely be time to go

1054
01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:26.039
<v Speaker 4>to the after party.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is. The after show now is coming

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<v Speaker 1>up in three two

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<v Speaker 2>One