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Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on,
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the
word about the pirate ship. Today's episode is going to
be a little bit different and honestly, I think really special.
I've never done anything like this. I've been encouraged to
do some solo podcasts. Somebody reached out to me and go,
I think you need to just be you in the
room sometimes, so we'll see how that goes. But this
is my birthday week. I am turning fifty four, and
I birthdays really have never meant anything really to me.
I think as a kid, I used to tease my
sons when they were younger. I would say, hey, you know,
when you turn thirteen, we stop celebrating your birthday. What
we start celebrating is your achievement day. Whatever you did
that is great, Like you know, we'll celebrate the day
that you finished Cub Scouts, or will celebrate the day
you hit a home run or the day you made
a pick in a game, and that'll be the day
we celebrate you on the year I did not go
over well, but I just to me, it was kind
of nothing. What did I do? I was born? I've
always felt like the real hero of the that day
is your mom. She's the one that did all the
work that day, brought you into the world and has
been by your side ever since. Right, So today I
invited my mother to join me on the podcast for
a conversation, and we're going to talk about the day
I was born, of course, right the journey our family's
been on and some of the wisdom that she has
gained along the way. Now my mom is also and
we've talked about on the podcast a Level three Reikie Healers,
So we may even get into a little energy and
healing and a few things that I think will leave
you hopefully inspired. That's really what I want to do here,
And of course I want to honor my dad as well,
who passed away a little more than a month ago,
like a month and a day. And even though my
parents weren't married, they spent thirty five years building a
life together and their story is a huge part of mine.
So this episode is about family, love, resilience, and hopefully
we get a few laughs in there. So with that,
I bring on Mom, Marge, Hi Mom, Hi Bill. Well,
I know and I I never was like the birthday
week person you. We used to call it the High
Holy Days with you, and it was wonderful. You had
the greatest birthday celebrations you did. We all went up
to Cape Cod, we all, I mean, those were really
really fun, fun times to the point where like my
older sons, they love that. They talk about that yeah
to this day, So that's always uh special.
Speaker 3: Especially the older I get you have to celebrate everything
you can because you never know when that's going to
run out and you're not going to be able to
celebrate anymore. And I think that's extremely important to celebrate.
And also, you know, when you were talking about birthdays
and that important, I'm thinking, oh my god, all those cakes,
all those stars. No no, no, no, you did.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, actually got older. You didn't do
them when I was fourteen, fifteen years old, I didn't
get those cakes. I think I got them up to
like twelve, and that seems about right. Let's celebrate that.
And then after that, I used to tease the boys,
now we got accomplishment day, you better do something. That's
what we're going to celebrate. Of course, that did not
go over because anything I said, anything that I said
that would even be slightly joking or I thought that
was a pretty good premise, get out there and hustle,
but it was always shot down. It was shot down
and they went. You know, they had a committee behind them.
So I'll ask you kind of this, what do you
remember most about the day I was born, which was
August twenty second, and the days around that kind of
I don't know if there was chaos.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I always think now when I look and I'm sorry
that I'm still talking, and I asked you a question,
but you were twenty four years old.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, I had finished graduate school,
I had just worked a year, and it was almost
like a baby having a baby in ways. Yeah, it
was scared. And that summer it was very hot. We
had a little apartment in Hyde Park, and I remember
if I went to the movies and saw hospital scene,
I cried because I'd never been in the hospital before,
and now I'm going to go to the hospital though,
So oh my god. And you know what, I used
to think, there's no stopping this, Like when it starts,
it's going to happen. You can't change your mind.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the day you were born, I'm just thinking
to me, it's so funny because I don't remember too
much chaos. But I think your dad, if you were here,
would say there was a lot of chaos because my
parents were at the house and went into labor, and
they didn't go home. My mother wasn't feeling well and
she stayed, I'm not going to go into too much
of that. So anyway, we went off to the hospital
and it was a very long labor and for some reason,
most of mine were and you were a very big baby,
which we didn't realize at the time, but you were
ten pounds and I was trying to deliver naturally and
it was at Vassar Hospital. And so then they said,
because I was having a hard time with the natural,
why didn't I think of a spinal And all of
this was so scary. And now because of the spinal,
because it was fifty four years ago, your father couldn't
come into the room. Yeah, so you know, now you're in.
I'm in with two men, a doctor Cohne and this
is doctor Shannon, who is the anesthesiologist, and then can
get you at and so you were this little cone
head because they're using forceps pushing on me on the shoulders.
And then when I finally came in, he goes, oh, no,
wonder no. So that was that was a lot, you know,
and it was a lot to recover from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I remember when I first looked at you, and you know,
you look at a ten PM baby compared to other
little babies, and it's like having a three one though,
and you were just beautiful in my eyes, just beautiful,
and it was it was very exciting, very exciting.
Speaker 4: That's uh, what's that?
Speaker 3: And it was good to have it all over.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine that would be like, because I, yeah,
I remember that even with my guys too, when they
were born.
Speaker 4: That you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an exciting and odd time. You don't know
kind of what to expect, especially with the first one,
and you start to worry a bit. And of course
this was you know, so many years later or thirty
years later practically that.
Speaker 4: You could everybody could be in the room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, remember I went out and I was bitching
to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. And Dad was a real
rock for me, and he was through all of the births.
He really was, because I remember during Katie's birth and
we always know with me it's going to take a while,
he wanted to run home and get the camera and
I wouldn't let him out of my side. I just yeah, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how about as a as a as a kid,
did you see any hints of what I would become.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would have become.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think one of the funny things was, well,
just like thinking with your birth dad was off because
he was a teacher. Now he had worked that summer
at a rehab center. And that was another thing that
had my mind blown, because I thought I had always
with handicapped kids, that for sure, we're going to have
a handicapped kid. Kiuse who could be you know better
than too?
Speaker 4: You know? So well you did?
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: I don't think I did, but anyway, I so Dad
went back to work and I remember being, oh my god,
now I'm on my own. But it was fun. I
really really enjoyed it. And then I went back on
the Jewish holidays because my district was open, and I
went in and I subbed. And so you were about
six weeks old, and I'm saying to Dad, just talk
to him, talk to him about everything. I don't know
what to say. No, And I, oh, you tell him everything.
Attention is stuck could do this. So then we had
recordings and at six weeks or less, you could track,
I could keep your attention. You we would make visual
eye contact and you could imitate sounds. So yeah, I
think from that point on I always knew you were
talking about.
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember what grade I would in
when I tried to skip school and go fishing. And
then you came popping out. I'm waving the bus on
and I'm standing back because the garage was it was
attached to the house, but just step backing off and
trying to hide there. And and how how like out
of all the days, you never came by the door, you.
Speaker 3: Know, no, you all think like you never did this.
I was watching the bus come and drive. Well, you
could look from inside the windows. You know. It wasn't
a big house, so I could work from the kitchen
to there and take a peek in something. That day
was like this.
Speaker 1: I got busted so badly, just wanted to go up
and just spend the day hanging out by the pond fishing.
Speaker 4: I didn't care. It was just day, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: And even like the things, a lot of the things
that you got in trouble for later on and stuff,
and you know, being the one that did that, it
was all really tough. I'm sorry your adventures almost like
it was just kids in the country.
Speaker 1: And you know, is there like thirty five years you
guys were together, and what what did you learn from that?
And what do you kind of carry forward? I guess
would be a question. I know they're a little deep
and maybe hard to answer, but.
Speaker 3: Or say, or things you wouldn't say here.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, oh on the podcast, is what you mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Well I didn't mean like that.
Speaker 4: I was looking for a pot.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if there was something, because sometimes there
are are things. I mean, he he was funny. I
mean I I he was extremely funny. And I do remember,
like at the dinner table because he read the Mismanners
Guy to perfect etiquette, so there were no sounds that
emanated from below the neck. And god, we would just
rip farts. And I'll never forget the time you jumped up.
Speaker 4: Do you remember what you did?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: They did, thank you.
Speaker 3: And I don't know whether you or handy.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean I ripped a fart. That was just
it was award winning. And yes, you screamed. I don't
know why that. I slapped your face or hand your
paper towel. And he just sat there like I think
he was there. He just sat there. Yeah, And I
couldn't breathe. Of course, I found that absolutely so funny.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, in the thirty five years, you
you do get a understanding that everyone is different and
has a very different perspective and looking at the very
same thing. And I think the good thing is when
you can bring those perspectives together, you see things clear
as a whole. And that doesn't always happen, but you know,
it was good. And he that did have an act
for really seeing the complete picture a lot of the times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was very very intell and I uh yeah,
but it was very perceptive, right, you could kind of
see things sometimes.
Speaker 3: He had a wonderful sense of humor. Now it could
go on the road side and all that, but.
Speaker 4: Nothing about this, but you know, he.
Speaker 3: To really be humorous, you have to be intelligent, and
he really had a handle on all of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, he was so funny.
Speaker 1: He was so funny, and he was so fun when
he wanted to be, you know, my my thing. And
you know for thirty five years, you guys being married,
and even beyond that, it is certainly with the kids
and the grandkids and everybody, and there was never any
thing he was at your house last Thanksgiving, there was
always right, so there was never any animosity. But the
thing that I always had trouble with with with dad,
and it was one of these things where I've always
tried to reconcile with myself, was there was this wildly
hilariously HBO special funny guy and then there was absolute
like by the book, there was no wiggle room, there
was no screwing around.
Speaker 4: If this is the way it was.
Speaker 1: It was extremely serious or extremely funny, and there didn't
seem to be much of a middle ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Maral code too.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I love the idea of because we don't
I think, and I don't want to say until it's
too late, because I never think it's too late, but
I don't think. Sometimes we appreciate another person's perspective, we
get annoyed and we argue and those things become that
and I think sometimes.
Speaker 4: It's hard, it's very hard.
Speaker 1: But I've been, you know, like I don't know if
I got it from you or what, but I go
into these weird things and I spent a lot of
time time writing and thinking a lot, either early mornings
or late at night. And I think sometimes that you
have to tap into a higher frequency and then decide
what your emotions are, because if you don't, then the
other person's perspective that you may not agree with is
just going to bring you down.
Speaker 4: And so if you stay up.
Speaker 1: There, you might actually be open to oh shit, okay,
you know that that's a great that's a great way
of looking at it. I didn't think of that and
instead of like resistance resistance resistance, which I think sometimes
can be a learned thing. And his way was really
my way or the highway many often often.
Speaker 3: And there are a lot of people like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean more of an I would say today
an old school philosophy.
Speaker 3: The church enters into that too. Yes, yes, and it
was their way or no way, you know, And so yeah,
didn't matter on things that didn't matter that like with
the church, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of times.
Speaker 3: With a lot of us, on things that were holding.
So when you step back and if you take the
perspective of is this going to matter in ten years?
Is this going to matter tomorrow? You get a different
look at things. If you can pull yourself away from
the emotion of the mirror.
Speaker 1: Well, you bring up the church. And I've had lots
of thoughts about religion, and I thought, you know, if
we all followed the Ten Commandments, nothing else, just nothing else,
it'd be a pretty nice planet.
Speaker 4: We were all, I.
Speaker 1: Think everybody would be pretty good. But the rigidity of church.
And then what always lost me a little bit was
Henry the A switching you know, to Protestantism because he
wanted basically, he would just want to have sex with
Queen Anne or whoever was one of his wives, and
the Church wouldn't a knowledge. He switched. The entire country
gets switched for one guy and it's Penis. Yeah, I
mean really, And then years later it becomes so now
we have a war in Ireland because Southern Ireland didn't
follow and they stayed Catholic, which is where our families
are from, and we still have family there. And then
it became so bad that when we switched, Dad wrote
a resignation. I wish I could, I wish I could
see it, the resignation letter to the Catholic. Yeah, he
wrote a resignation letter to the Catholic.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no idea that I wonder.
Speaker 1: He might have given it to Patrick Colla, or he
might have also sent a copy to the Archdioceise in
New York. Who knows with him he done anything, but
he wrote, he wrote a resignation letter and very I'm sure,
very thought out and philosophically as to why. And I
and as a child, I'm seven, Uh, you were told
that you weren't getting enough out of the church. It
wasn't in his Bible base. So we go Protestant. And
then your father doesn't talk to you.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Which then when I learned what kind of the history,
I go, this is the religion is is.
Speaker 4: Screwed up? It's screwed up a little bit.
Speaker 3: I went down to talk to my father that day
and he had been grocery shop and it was porn
ran and I had a ringcot on and he and
I came in at the same time. And he's not
asking me to sit down, and you know what grandma
was like, and you gotta ask the poor girl to
dig her coat off, you know. Meanwhile he is taking
grape troops out of the bag and smashing them on
the wall in the kitchen. I had never seen anything
like this.
Speaker 1: This is all over religion, This is all over the church.
Speaker 3: And then he retired and I was not invited me
or my family to the retirement party. None of them.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was one of the last talks they had
with Dad. We were talking about religion and I said
to him, you know, it's it's not the way we
were brought up. And well, I don't believe. I mean,
that's all you can say that you don't believe. I
really believe if you look at what Jesus, Buddha, any
of the great philosophers preached and lived, it's about love.
It's about being kind to each other. It's about taking
care of the people around you. I don't think it's
about this harsh judgment. But the church has made plenty
of money. I'm scaring the track at it.
Speaker 1: You being a level three reiki healer and I've talked
to other.
Speaker 3: I'm a master level four.
Speaker 1: When did that happen? And why wasn't I invited to
that graduation party? Oh you're a master level four. I
thought you were only a level three when you did
it on me.
Speaker 3: You were the went all the way through.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, good, Well, I'm glad. I'm glad for
the correction. That is just really about energy. But there
are people who would kind of look at it as
you know, against the religion or whatever. And to me,
there are two separate things or two things that should
be congruent.
Speaker 3: Absolutely and it is. It's all about energy and everything
is made of energy. And you find it more and
more in sciences agreement with that, and it's and our
body is an amazing, amazing piece of machinery, piece of
whatever we were put together. And we do have the
potential to heal ourselves in many instances, or at least
approach things with much more of a calmness than we do.
And reiki just helps open energy channels and lets the
energy flow more evenly through the body.
Speaker 1: How are people what is their reaction when you say
that you're Level four or master Ricky Healer.
Speaker 3: Well, when people don't understand, it's funny, you know, in
some of my close friends, they do kind of look
at you and then you try to explain. And then
a few of the people we've done it on and
you know, just even the relaxation is so great that
people appreciate that, but it's more because of non understanding
than anything else.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Ignorance, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's.
Speaker 3: That's which is the thing with everything that's what's.
Speaker 1: Led to wars and all right, just absolute ignorance. Why
what what made you pursue this? Because I don't recall
this kind of woo woo when when I was growing.
Speaker 3: Up, Do you remember Dorothy Chanting?
Speaker 1: Well, I do remember your friend dart Taya Darth Darthea
Taya Taya came down and she was from Syracuse, and
I loved her. She was like she just there was
something about that woman. She had energy and all she did. Yeah,
and she she looked she was she was older than.
Speaker 3: You, seventeen years older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there was something cool about her look and all. Like,
she was very attractive in her way. Everything was flowing and.
Speaker 3: Came through those flowy things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and went to, yes, the Omega Institute, that's right.
I couldn't remember the name of that.
Speaker 4: The other day I went.
Speaker 3: Over to some things that Omega also was dabbling along
the way. But then when I retired and had time,
I kept thinking, you know, I need to look into
this reiki further. And then, and I truly believe nothing
is by coincidence. I was with pack Gellick, who was
one of the furthest people from reiki, really right, and
so I'm sitting with very straight out of dinner, and
she has a friend coming who was a reading teacher
in Hyde Park who's still a friend of mine, Barbara Danna,
and Barbara was studying reiki. So Barbara took me. We
linked up and I went with her and we went
over to this orange net who was a nurse offering
the thing. But when I first went, and I was
very very nervous, and I was just coming in to observe,
and I didn't want anybody going near me put in
their hands. But the woman that was teaching it said
we can stand around, but she was going to do it.
But before that, they sat down and did some prayer,
you know, prayer. Yeah, prayers are meditation of that. But
they did tinctures. So they were all opening their mouth
and she's putting things on their tongue, and all I
could think of is, oh my god, where the barbetation.
Speaker 1: Jim Jones, he was like, oh my god, what does
it taught you about people?
Speaker 4: Reiki?
Speaker 3: I think you see the sameness in people, you know,
and I think you see how we all really are
the same, and you see the fears, the fears and people,
so you see things that are blocking people and you
see the many obstacles that so many people. Well, life
isn't a smooth run for anybody. You know, everybody has
different right, so you see that especially as people are sharing,
and I think it just that it once again brings
it all down to that we are all energy. We
all have fears and dants, but we are all capable
of love, and we have a great resilience. I think
that's really really I've noticed that that the resilience of
people is remarkable.
Speaker 1: You take it back to uh, just anybody who walks
in a room and either lights it up right, there's
a difference or or funks it up right. It's like
a green cloud came in and you you you know
you that's energy. That is en that's energy, and that's
a dominant.
Speaker 3: Energy about some of that at lunch today. And I
think the thing right now, especially in the world we're in,
is we have to try to keep putting out as
much positive energy as possible. Right, Negative energy just as.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a lower frequency. Because I always think, like,
you know, there was a very it might have been
Thomas Aquinas, I don't remember. I always enjoyed these classes,
even though I was told I got gentleman speech I
which is my dad was. My dad would say to I,
you know, the very simple philosophy that the being that
is in the trees, in the chair that you're sitting on,
that is in you, is this, and that there is
no such thing as evil because it has all come
from the source. So if there's no such thing as evil,
there's only a privation of good, to which I've said
is a lower frequency. Now there are people who will
tell you that there are people that have attachments.
Speaker 4: I know people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could get you into some really really
weird stuff if you wanted to and have Well yeah,
and I'm not saying that it's not right. I think
it's there. But you can decide every day where you
want to be, you know. And I think your emotions
are your guidance system. I wish you were more like
this when we were little. I know.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that sounds horrible to say, like that's
a horrible thing to say, but like it's just such
a different way of you know, doing things.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have to take the time. See. The other
thing is and I think and it's hard. You're raising kids,
you know, two people are working you know, I'm not
making I'm not talking. I'm talking about people today. It's hard,
but if you can take the time, and one of
the things I found the most most helpful is to
try to take some time aside and meditate. But one
of the things I found really really helpful look like
an advertisement, but it's the five minute journal, and it
just sets the tone for the day because in the morning,
you list three things you're grateful for as soon as
you're getting your feet out of the bed, and it's
a different focus because now you're focusing on positive and
you're focusing on what you're grateful And it could be
that I woke up your right, that I slept well,
that the sun is shining, and then three things that
you think would make today great, so you know what
you have ahead of you for the day. But if
you look at that and then a daily affirmation about yourself,
something positive about you, which is something we were never
taught to do.
Speaker 1: No, we always shin on ourselves. I'm fat, I'm ugly,
I'm out of shape, I'm a terrible student, I'm a
bad athlete.
Speaker 4: I can't run, i can't walk. Yeah, yeah, that is that's.
Speaker 3: Something comes Then at night, and it is it's five
minutes highlights of the day, the three things. And it
may be completely different than on your birthday And what
bird joy did you in that day?
Speaker 4: What was good? I know what my birthday present is?
Speaker 3: Huh? What did I learn today?
Speaker 1: What would be a good grounding thing for people?
Speaker 4: If you were going to do raking like a.
Speaker 1: Grounding because I'm finding grounding when I say that, like
walking in the grass with bare feet sometimes. Oh yeah, right,
I sometimes I do that in the morning. And I
noticed that the Buffalo Bills were doing that at Some
players would go out after practice on the grass field
and just walk around barefoot with a sports psychologist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now, that's supposed to be very important walking in
nature as much as you just getting out in nature.
And I think again, like giving yourself time five ten
minutes even, That's why I wrote up that journal, to
just set aside, you know, get away from the phones
and computers and just get away from that for a
while and give yourself just a few minutes every day
to just concentrate. And I think one of the nicest
things that I've ever is the loving kindness meditation. I go, oh,
I'd like to do that for everybody right now and
just to you. So you always start with yourself when
you're doing this. But now I'm going to say that
I wish this for all of you today. I wish
all of you. May you be happy, May you be healthy,
May you be safe, May you be peaceful, and may
we all be aware and grateful for our many blessings.
And what you do is you do it for yourself,
and then you do it for anybody you can think of,
and you keep doing it. You can do it for enemies,
you can do it for political people, you can do it.
It's just again, I think putting a different spin on things. Yeah,
and loving kindness out into the world.
Speaker 1: I'll take that as my birthday blessing that you said.
Speaker 3: Too, birthday present, Well.
Speaker 1: No birthday blessing and birthday blessing. You know the year ahead,
what would you you know?
Speaker 6: It would be you're ahead, would bring your peace, love,
that you would be able to see and realize and
be grateful for all you have, and that many of
the goals you have set out for yourself will be accomplished.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that's uh, that's very nice.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast,
and I think actually for sharing the stories and the
wisdom and your heart. I think having this conversation on
my birthday kind of feels like a real gift. And
I know it hands a little corny. I always worry
that I I don't like to show my sappy, soft underbelly,
but I have it, and it's there because it's not
just my day. I think it's ours, right, you and
me twenty second and then you know, Kevin's in two
weeks and it's you and him, and you brought me
into the world. And I'm always grateful for that.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm always grateful that I did. Yeah, did
all three of you. So may your year be wonderful.
I love you from the bottom of my heart.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I'm going to take you off the screen.
Don't go anywhere though, I'm just gonna take you off.
We're just gonna remove To all of you out there listening,
I hope this episode kind of reminds you to reflect
on the people who made life possible and the stories
that shaped who you are. Maybe it's your mom, possibly
it's your dad or someone else who's played a big,
big role in your life's journey. If you can reach
out say thank you or ask them to share a memory.
You never know what you're going to learn, and I
think that's very important. As for me, get my outro music,
John Hyan. Somebody said to talk about John Hyat too much.
Speaker 4: I hear you.
Speaker 1: As for me, I'm going to carry my mom's blessing
into this next year of life and I'm excited to
see where it takes me. And thanks for being here
to celebrate until tomorrow, Take care and keep finding ways
to honor.
Speaker 4: The people you love. I woke up in holtal didn't
know what to do. I'm turning a TV.
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