WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:06.839 All right, welcome in to Clippers Talk, another edition during 2 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:10.199 the long Labor Day weekend. Hopefully y'all were at a 3 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:12.599 barbecue like I was earlier with the Clips and Dip guys, 4 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:15.720 hanging out with Chuck Mopler and Will Updyke. I'm Ada Maslin. 5 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:19.359 This is Clippers Talk. We have another episode coming up 6 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:21.879 on Wednesday. Already said to the guest is going to 7 00:00:21.920 --> 00:00:24.800 be Paul Shecher is going to join the show comedian 8 00:00:24.839 --> 00:00:27.679 Paul Scher. If you want to get into comment section 9 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.679 and ask me what I should ask Paul Sheer, or 10 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:33.799 give me some notes like I have a bunch of 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:36.200 questions already, but if there's anything you want to learn 12 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:39.439 about Paul Scher, put in the comments section. While you're there, 13 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:45.119 maybe hit that subscribe button. Tonight, fortuitous Guests, considering the 14 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:48.240 news that broke a little bit earlier today. It's our 15 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:52.880 friend Jack Coglin. You know him from Twitter and from 16 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.520 the Evil for Letter, but not so evil today because 17 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:58.719 Jack works for them ESPN. He's a reporter and a 18 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.280 longtime Clippers fan, so he's gonna spread the good news 19 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.560 and make sure they talk about them and present them 20 00:01:04.560 --> 00:01:07.920 in a nice light. From here, Odd Out Jack, thanks 21 00:01:07.959 --> 00:01:09.159 for doing this. I appreciate it. 22 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.599 Thank you for having me Adam, It's an absolute pleasure 23 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:12.879 to be here. And Happy Labor. 24 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.439 Day at Jack clips Las where you find him on X. 25 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.040 Now to start with this, we'll get to the Paul 26 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.799 George stuff and what will sit on podcast p with 27 00:01:22.879 --> 00:01:25.239 his father on. But first I want to get your 28 00:01:25.239 --> 00:01:27.840 backgrounds so it's a little bit more weighty when we 29 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.079 get your opinions on all this subject matter. So how 30 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.519 long have you been with ESPN? You look like a 31 00:01:33.560 --> 00:01:37.079 young man at least compared to me here, and what's 32 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:40.719 your background as a Clipper fan? Is you got the jersey? 33 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.120 I don't know. I feel like I'm looking at the 34 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:43.359 flagship store right here. 35 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.159 Yeah, I got Game one Elton brand jersey got for 36 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.680 my birthday years back. Nate Robinson warm up jersey. I'll 37 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.359 take it off, but okay, sir, under it. 38 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:57.359 Yeah. 39 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.319 I have been with ESPN for a year now and 40 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.200 it's been an absolute great time and the dream come 41 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:06.560 true for sure. And as far as my Clipper fandom, 42 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:08.800 I've been a Clipper fan as long as I can remember. 43 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.719 Fell in love with Lob City, fell in love with 44 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.680 the pre lob City, like Lob City Junior with Baron 45 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:18.719 Davis and Blake Griffin, and you know, my dad would 46 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:20.400 take me to games when I was younger, and I 47 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:21.719 just fell in love with the team. I fell in 48 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.159 love with basketball because of them, and I was just 49 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.639 believing with them ever since. You know, I was kind, 50 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.039 I was kind of Lakers and Clippers at the time. 51 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:31.039 Then just gravitated towards the Clippers. And you know, I've 52 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:32.680 always been a fan of the underdog and I would 53 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:35.280 love to see the Clippers win their first championship. I've 54 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.199 been loyal ever since and I'm going to continue to 55 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:37.479 do so. 56 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:39.759 Is that what part of the draw is you want 57 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.680 to be there when this franchise wins their first championship. 58 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:45.000 That would be more meaningful for you than just being 59 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.759 a part of Laker Nation when they win eighteen one hundred. 60 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.199 Like every year, I feel like I make a new 61 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:52.759 friend that's a Clipper fan, or I meet someone who 62 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.960 that's a Clipper fan, and like, it's so cool to 63 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.560 connect with Clipper fans. And I know that first one's 64 00:02:57.599 --> 00:02:59.400 gonna be real special and everyone's gonna be able to 65 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:03.280 come together, like just rejoice, and especially with all the 66 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.719 the heartbreaks that all Clipper fans have had to go through. 67 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:08.759 It's the first one will feel really really good. 68 00:03:09.479 --> 00:03:11.560 It's gonna make it special. It's all gonna be worth 69 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:15.759 it in the end. Reporting wise, I've seen you court side, 70 00:03:15.840 --> 00:03:18.680 I've seen you there. Who are some of your inspirations 71 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.639 getting into this field. Who are the people that you 72 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.280 looked into along the way that kind of paid the 73 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:24.879 way for you and made you feel like, this is 74 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:26.159 what I want to do with my career. 75 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.639 Yeah, I mean, you know, just to start, for sure, 76 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:33.759 Kevin Harlan, my favorite play by play commentator, Ralph Lawler, 77 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.439 aside from Ralph Lawler. Yeah, Ralphlawler will be number one 78 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:40.039 for sure. Then Kevin Harlan on the national stage. I 79 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:41.520 feel like both of them were able to just make 80 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:45.479 anything exciting, especially Kevin Harlan. And growing up, you know, 81 00:03:45.639 --> 00:03:48.199 I was just constantly watching NBA games and hearing those 82 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.120 voices and I'm like, who does that? How do you 83 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:51.680 do that? I have the job you could just like 84 00:03:51.719 --> 00:03:53.879 talk while you're watching the game like that was always 85 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:57.639 so intriguing to me. Mike Breen. Of course, Craig Sager 86 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.639 Rip a legend with the best suits in the game. 87 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:08.159 Unless you ask Kevin Garnett, you would have to hard 88 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:08.439 that on. 89 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:11.039 You need this, yeh. 90 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.719 Rip Craig Seger. Of course, the Clippers have Christina Pink 91 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.839 who I think is the best in the game currently. 92 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.879 You see her also on the NFL side. She's amazing. 93 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.480 Oh yeah, oh yeah, she's one of a kind. 94 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:27.839 Uh Okay, you ever have to deal with any angry 95 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:30.560 coach or player? Was there ever a rough moment that 96 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:33.839 you just had to kind of navigate and get through it? 97 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:36.560 You didn't have any boom goes the dynamite, I'm sure, but. 98 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.279 Yeah, I mean, my first time doing sideline reporting that 99 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.759 have tod not go well for the team, and the 100 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:48.759 coach immediately did not look happy, and it is my 101 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.560 first times. I was just, you know, I was picking 102 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:55.040 up the signals that she probably wasn't in the biggest 103 00:04:55.040 --> 00:04:57.480 mood to do an interview. But you know, that's how 104 00:04:57.519 --> 00:04:58.560 it is. That's how it is. 105 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.319 The job is the job. If Nick Saban says I'm 106 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.319 not going to answer, so stop asking or whatever like that. 107 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.480 Yeah, but never you know, never like you know, anyone 108 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.480 getting mad at me personally or anything like that. 109 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.879 Not not too combative. Cool cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, putting 110 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.519 them on their heels. Immediately they're saying, all right, this guy, 111 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.319 he's a good one. We're gonna play nicely here with 112 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:23.959 this interview. What clipper would you like to interview most? 113 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:26.560 If you could current clipper. 114 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.160 It have to be Kawhi Leonard. It just would have 115 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.199 to be, like, I mean about you getting a lot 116 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:33.279 out of Leonard? 117 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.040 What are the questions here, Jack? What are you asking him? 118 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.720 Oh? I mean, I'd have to think about that one. 119 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.720 But oh, there's so many Like talk about just a 120 00:05:41.759 --> 00:05:43.319 guy you just don't know a lot about, Like I 121 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:45.120 just want to know, like what he does every day. 122 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.399 I want to know, like what he says, what's like 123 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:48.759 the first thing he does when he made I just 124 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:50.720 want to know his day to day life and what 125 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:51.959 goes on in the world of QUI. 126 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:55.959 I don't know if he'll ever be that transparent. He's 127 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.480 a private guy and we respect that about him. But 128 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:02.439 you know, he's also a fun guy. And I think 129 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.560 one of my favorite things was when he went on 130 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:08.040 Serge of Bacca's cooking show. Oh yeah, you really got 131 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:09.920 to see kind of a fish out of water there 132 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:12.959 with Kawhi Leonard going outside of himself a little bit 133 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:16.800 and opening up. That was cool to see. All right, 134 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.360 So before we get to the Paul George news, we 135 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.040 did have some positive news regarding it beats Zoo bus 136 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:26.439 getting a contract extension. Uh, this was big, not just 137 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:28.839 for Big Zoo, but I think for Clipper Nation overall. 138 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:32.480 There's been a lot of positive feedback regarding this. Just 139 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:35.000 where are you when it comes to I don't know, 140 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:36.839 you got a big Zoo jersey back there? When it 141 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.040 comes to the Clippers starting center? Is he your guy? 142 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.199 I have always been a big Zoo fan. I don't 143 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.360 have a Zoo jersey. I would love one. I just 144 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:47.800 have to point out I just had to move the 145 00:06:47.839 --> 00:06:50.639 camera slightly away from my Paul George jersey. That's that's 146 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:51.120 there right now. 147 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:53.439 You're afraid you're gonna upset people. 148 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:55.879 Yeah, I just feel like, you know, I feel like 149 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.639 I'm the best move for the time being. I'm just 150 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:02.360 gonna roll with it. Yeah. I look, I think Zoo's 151 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.560 so underrated, and you know, people are hard on Zoo. 152 00:07:06.600 --> 00:07:08.319 I feel like a lot. But he he's the longest 153 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:12.720 tenured Clipper. He's just always done his job, never really complained. 154 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.279 You know, he gives one hundred and ten percent. He's 155 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.680 not on a crazy deal at all. Like it just 156 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:19.959 very like like honestly, just a lucky get. Like think 157 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.319 like we literally got him for free. It's just a 158 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.800 very lucky get. Like just it's just hard to really, 159 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.360 you know, be so critical. Obviously there's ways he can 160 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.040 improve and you know, be better, but he's got to 161 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.199 be grateful for him and he wants to stay a Clipper, 162 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.399 So I'm happy that he's going to continue to do so. 163 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.560 I know he started with the Lakers, but because he's 164 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:41.480 been in southern California throughout his career, it feels like 165 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.160 he's almost home grown. That he's been with the Clippers 166 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.040 now the longest tenured team he's been with, and we've 167 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.319 seen him grow and develop and have playoffs struggles and 168 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:54.720 overcome those. And last season, I think in that series 169 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.079 against the Dallas Mavericks, he was their second best player 170 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:59.680 behind James Harden. I really think that was a little 171 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.920 bit of his coming out party. More of that will 172 00:08:01.959 --> 00:08:05.439 be happening this season. I've been asking a lot of people, Jack, 173 00:08:05.839 --> 00:08:09.879 what are your expectations points in rebound averaging wise for 174 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:11.839 Vitza Zoo Bots. What do you want to see from 175 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:16.639 him productivity wise, what would meet your standard of expectations 176 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.120 now on a new contract, even though the extension doesn't 177 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:22.199 kick until after this season, But what does he need 178 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:25.800 to do to live up to some of his part 179 00:08:25.839 --> 00:08:26.399 of the bargain? 180 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:29.800 You know, I think it's I think it's gonna be, 181 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.240 you know, a lot of the same that we've seen. 182 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.480 I think it'll be similar to last year, and last 183 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:36.720 year was a good year for him especially. I think 184 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:40.279 we'll see we'll see an uptick. I think I think 185 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.080 he's going to be more part of the offense this year. 186 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:46.000 I think, like with Harden, you know, he he improved 187 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.120 hard and set him up really well. I think you 188 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.519 earned that trust for sure once the Clippers acquired Harden, 189 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.759 and you know, like we we see hard and work 190 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.039 with a lot of centers and you know, up their 191 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.559 points average. Like so I think that that's my opinion. 192 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:01.480 I think we'll see a littleuptick in his points and 193 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:04.399 he would deliver. You know, he's got his signature right 194 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:07.840 hook that he loves to do. And yeah, I think 195 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.240 it would be a little bit of the same. But 196 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:10.440 I could see an uptick. 197 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:14.320 For sure, especially because they just need more. No Paul George, 198 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.519 no Russell Westbrook. You would expect him and Terrence Man 199 00:09:17.559 --> 00:09:22.120 to get more opportunities. And speaking of Team Man, that's 200 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:27.120 another guy who's extension eligible. Just where does he rank? 201 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.039 Because he is an all time Clipper fan favorite, he 202 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.840 is truly homegrown. He is ingrained with this organization. He's 203 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:36.639 part of the DNA, part of the makeup. And I 204 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:40.279 think the character and the professionalism that he has shown 205 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.879 is what being a Clipper is all about. I want 206 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.840 to see him here for a long time. Just what 207 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.240 do you expect out of Terrence Man this season? And 208 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.039 do you think they lock him up for a long 209 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:54.679 term deal and what those numbers might be? 210 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:58.399 Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, we've still heard 211 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:00.960 talks about the Clippers wanting to find that third star. 212 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:04.200 We know it typically involves Team Man and trade talks, 213 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.240 but we saw them be stubborn to not give him 214 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.360 up for Harden, which was a good move. And Yeah, 215 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.240 I think I think we're gonna see an aggressive Team 216 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.000 Man this year. I think he's really gonna be gunning 217 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.200 for it. I think he sees there's an opening that 218 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:18.320 needs to be filled for scoring and he could do 219 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.600 it like he shows those spurts every year. It seems 220 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.559 like allow that stretch where he's like like like twenty 221 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.120 four here, you know, eighteen there, twenty six year. He 222 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.240 can do it, and it's just about doing it consistently 223 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:34.360 now and and really chipping in and sEH. I think 224 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.360 I think it'll be another improve and improved the year 225 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:40.039 for Teaman and he'll be more aggressive and and up 226 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:40.519 is scoring. 227 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.759 Because I'm looking at all these jerseys, it kind of 228 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.320 begs the question you said you got in pre Lob City. 229 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:49.879 Who's your Clipper's goat? Who's your guy? 230 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.120 Man? It look, I'm one of those guy. I'm one 231 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.440 of those fans that will always love Chris Paul and 232 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:01.960 it always was Chris Paul for the longest time. It's 233 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.799 it's been Kawhi Leonard currently. For sure. I think when 234 00:11:06.799 --> 00:11:08.960 it comes to like like the Clipper, Like if you 235 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.679 think of like the Clipper, like one guy that's like 236 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:15.879 the Clipper, it's like it's just you know, like they 237 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:17.799 say he has the most or out of any clipper, 238 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:22.399 I'd agree. I would frankly agree. And yeah, you know, 239 00:11:22.480 --> 00:11:27.039 clipper goat, Clipper goat, though Clipper go I'm gonna go Kawhi. 240 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:28.000 I'm gonna go Kawhi. 241 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.480 I mean, I think he's definitely the most talented player 242 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.120 to ever put on a Clippers jersey. Some people, you know, 243 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:37.600 they just want to see him be healthy complete a 244 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:41.320 playoff run. We know what he's capable of, two time finals, MVP, 245 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.480 two time Defensive Player of the Year winner, a champion 246 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.440 two times over. Hoping for the best with his health. 247 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.279 Maybe more on that coming up in a little bit. 248 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:51.559 But there were some comments and I allude to this 249 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.159 and SE's this out long enough earlier today on podcast 250 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.919 P and I'll play them and then we can react 251 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.000 to this audio and vision rule here as I try 252 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.679 to act as young as Jack now to pull off 253 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:09.120 and share the screen and make sure the sounds actually working. 254 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.679 This was from Tomara Azari. I know our friend was 255 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:16.240 of the athletics. I feel like they stabbed to start this, 256 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:17.679 I think, can you hear it? 257 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:18.440 Yes? 258 00:12:18.639 --> 00:12:21.639 Feel I can't on mind side, but that's all right. 259 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:23.360 I've already listened to this thing like ten times and 260 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.840 dissected it like it's the Suppruder film or something. But 261 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:29.440 play the whole thing in its entirety. Two minutes and 262 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:33.240 twenty seven seconds if you two flags this later, I'll 263 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.399 cut it out afterwards, but after this we'll react. This 264 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.320 was earlier today on the new podcast P episode with 265 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:41.720 Paul George's father. 266 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:47.159 You feel popped, Lynn uh PG left La and said 267 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:52.159 I'm going to Philly. Wow. It was hurting. I mean 268 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:57.399 it was like it was I feel like they stabbed 269 00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:01.200 us in the back, you know, because I thought Paul 270 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.840 did a whole lot for the team far as in 271 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.559 the fan base, the fans was there, he was there. 272 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:16.639 I think he gave him one hundred and ten percent, 273 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:23.399 and what he was acting, it wasn't a whole lot, right, 274 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:31.679 you know, but they've seen something different now. But I 275 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:34.639 didn't want him just to take anything, you know, So 276 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.320 his whole thing here, you know, he does he does 277 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.320 stand up for what he believed in, and so he 278 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.840 felt that that was you know, that was a bunch 279 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:45.240 of bull that they came at him with. And I 280 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.799 wasn't gonna sugar coat it either, you know, like, yeah, 281 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:52.039 you know, I'm behind you one hundred percent. You know 282 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:57.039 you got to leave. We're gonna leave, you know. And uh, 283 00:13:57.480 --> 00:13:59.279 of course, you know, it's kind of put us in 284 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:04.440 a little bumping grind. But Hey, you know, it's all good, 285 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:12.759 it's all good, all good, you know good, you know something, 286 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.159 you know you love being at home. But then sometime 287 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:19.639 home could you know kind of and ask yeah, with 288 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.360 him being here all his life and all that and 289 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.279 he's home now, Like it wasn't one of the moments, 290 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:26.639 look just take what they giving boy. 291 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:31.480 No, it was like, yeah, a little back. It was 292 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:32.679 what you deserve. 293 00:14:32.919 --> 00:14:35.120 Yes, I love Yes, he put in worked for it, 294 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.000 and I felt that he should have got paid for. 295 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:40.240 He did a lot, I'll say even more one and 296 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.519 twenty percent win. 297 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.480 You and so that you know, you know, like we 298 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.639 didn't stutter about it, you know we didn't. You know, well, 299 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.919 let me think about it, like what they come at 300 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.960 you like this right, Oh, no, you got to go, 301 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.240 you know you got to go. I was looking at Okay, 302 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:00.159 we're gonna go next door then, but they already pen 303 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:04.080 two words money, you know what. You know, we gonna 304 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.720 still come down into the tunnel. He's gonna be wearing 305 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:10.559 a different color, saying all. 306 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.039 Right, there it is. It was like all the Clippers 307 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:15.360 jerseys in Jack's room. 308 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:15.840 A lot. 309 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:19.000 You could say, it was a lot. And we'll dissect 310 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:23.759 it all here right off the top. The thing that 311 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.120 stands out to me. Jack, and I know this was 312 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.840 a subject you wanted to broach even before this happened 313 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.759 earlier today. I know you had thoughts on Paul George 314 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.960 leaving the Clippers. I wonder if you're a scorn to 315 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:38.000 CP three leaving or Elton Brand leaving. I mean, some 316 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:40.679 people turn on Elton Brand and have never forgiven him 317 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:42.879 the way he did the Clippers, and you still have 318 00:15:42.919 --> 00:15:47.480 a game Warren jersey from him. But the backstabbing comment, 319 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.039 I don't know if that's the appropriate word. In fact, 320 00:15:52.080 --> 00:15:55.240 I know it's not. They didn't tell him something and 321 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:57.960 do something else. They were transparent from the get go. 322 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.639 In fact, some people felt like they so balled him 323 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:05.440 initially because Paul George presented the contract situation at first 324 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:08.919 on podcast P is just being offered sixty million at 325 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.399 the start of the season. Well it was sixty million 326 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:15.480 plus the fifty should he opt into the last year 327 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.399 of his contract, so technically one hundred and ten million dollars. 328 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:22.679 As a starting point for a negotiation tactic, that's pretty 329 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.799 much what you do as the team. You start low, 330 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.679 they're gonna go higher. You try to meet somewhere in 331 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:33.039 the middle, but backstabbing far from it. Just your reaction 332 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.879 to that really inflammatory word. And by the way, it's 333 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:40.679 his family, what are they going to say. I commend 334 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:43.679 his dad for sticking up for him. That's what any 335 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:46.399 good father would do. I just think we have to 336 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.639 present the other side to this as well. 337 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:56.440 Agreed with everything you said, and yeah, it's it's not 338 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:02.360 a backstabbing, it's how it worked. You produce a certain 339 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:06.880 amount for the team you're on and what you're offered 340 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.440 is going to reflect that. And it's like, I don't know, 341 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.720 like he thinks it gets like some special treatment, Like no, 342 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:18.839 it's it's you're on a team. It's like you're not. 343 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:22.599 Like there's just so many words going into my head. 344 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:24.920 But like you see this happen all the time. You 345 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:28.200 see with Jalen Brunston, just this year, like you're gonna 346 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:30.920 get the contract for like best for the organization and 347 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:35.720 best for you, like combined. And it was very fair, 348 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:39.920 it was very deserving for how he produced for the team. 349 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:43.039 And I would to make it clear it's fair that 350 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.960 if he gets seventy million more from Phillies to take 351 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.759 that money. I don't have a problem with any of that. 352 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:51.359 It's just the fact that we're still talking about this. 353 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:54.079 I thought this was tabled by now, but then he 354 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:58.279 brings up the B team comment and now this happens, 355 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:01.640 So you're opening up that can of worms, and I 356 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.240 guess we have to react to it now, or at 357 00:18:03.279 --> 00:18:04.119 least I'm going to. 358 00:18:05.920 --> 00:18:08.400 And it's just all the promises he made about bringing 359 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:10.799 a trophy to the organization and how he wants to 360 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.599 retire a Clipper and look like Jamal Christopher. 361 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:15.400 Said, you lied. 362 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:21.319 Lied, Okay, you lied about you has tweets, you lied 363 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.880 about everything. All Right, I can't do it. It's gonna 364 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.240 see you lied. Okay. 365 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.599 There was a Meet the Graham's parody done on this 366 00:18:28.720 --> 00:18:34.400 show where he said, Meet the Georges. Yes, went through 367 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:37.160 all the lines like ka Dot did with you lied 368 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:40.440 a bunch. He also said that was tug and cheek 369 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.400 and he was a big fan, a huge fan of 370 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.920 Paul George. I think he still is. This is hard 371 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.079 for all of us. I have defended him up until 372 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:50.920 what happened against Dallas in that playoff series, which was 373 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.440 just inexcusable for him to only take sixteen shots per 374 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:56.640 game without basically having Kawhi or the real Kawhi in 375 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.079 that series at all. I had always been defending him 376 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.400 because of what happened in twenty one and how he 377 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:04.400 produced on the way to the Western Conference Finals and 378 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:07.440 those last two games against Utah, And it wasn't just 379 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.880 Terrence Man, but Paul George was great, and he was 380 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.359 very good overall against the Phoenix Suns. But it became 381 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.440 indefensible when you bookend his tenure as a Clipper with 382 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.079 the bubble playoff run and then what happened in this 383 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:22.559 past season against Dallas, only averaging nineteen points per game. 384 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:26.240 I can't stick up for that anymore. Like he made 385 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:27.319 it really difficult. 386 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.279 I agree, And I just think what I think this 387 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:37.079 playoff run like told everything that the organization needed to know. 388 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:40.279 I think I don't think Paul George necessarily, I don't 389 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:42.759 think he choked like. I don't think he like shied 390 00:19:42.799 --> 00:19:44.440 away like I think, like, look, he went to take 391 00:19:44.480 --> 00:19:47.000 a shot, he played like he gave it us all. 392 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.759 I just don't think there was any better to be had, Like, 393 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:52.599 I just think that's who he was, Like this playoff 394 00:19:52.640 --> 00:19:55.400 showed like that's who he was, Like, I mean, credits 395 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.680 to the Mavericks, the way they defended him, the way 396 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:00.240 that they made him play. You know, I think I 397 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.640 think he did his best, Like I don't think I 398 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:04.480 think he did his best. 399 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.559 I'll push back against that a little bit, only because 400 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.920 I think Paul George is one of the most talented 401 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:14.319