Speaker 1: All right, welcome in to Clippers Talk, another edition during
Speaker 1: the long Labor Day weekend. Hopefully y'all were at a
Speaker 1: barbecue like I was earlier with the Clips and Dip guys,
Speaker 1: hanging out with Chuck Mopler and Will Updyke. I'm Ada Maslin.
Speaker 1: This is Clippers Talk. We have another episode coming up
Speaker 1: on Wednesday. Already said to the guest is going to
Speaker 1: be Paul Shecher is going to join the show comedian
Speaker 1: Paul Scher. If you want to get into comment section
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Speaker 1: maybe hit that subscribe button. Tonight, fortuitous Guests, considering the
Speaker 1: news that broke a little bit earlier today. It's our
Speaker 1: friend Jack Coglin. You know him from Twitter and from
Speaker 1: the Evil for Letter, but not so evil today because
Speaker 1: Jack works for them ESPN. He's a reporter and a
Speaker 1: longtime Clippers fan, so he's gonna spread the good news
Speaker 1: and make sure they talk about them and present them
Speaker 1: in a nice light. From here, Odd Out Jack, thanks
Speaker 1: for doing this. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me Adam, It's an absolute pleasure
Speaker 2: to be here. And Happy Labor.
Speaker 1: Day at Jack clips Las where you find him on X.
Speaker 1: Now to start with this, we'll get to the Paul
Speaker 1: George stuff and what will sit on podcast p with
Speaker 1: his father on. But first I want to get your
Speaker 1: backgrounds so it's a little bit more weighty when we
Speaker 1: get your opinions on all this subject matter. So how
Speaker 1: long have you been with ESPN? You look like a
Speaker 1: young man at least compared to me here, and what's
Speaker 1: your background as a Clipper fan? Is you got the jersey?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'm looking at the
Speaker 1: flagship store right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Game one Elton brand jersey got for
Speaker 2: my birthday years back. Nate Robinson warm up jersey. I'll
Speaker 2: take it off, but okay, sir, under it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have been with ESPN for a year now and
Speaker 2: it's been an absolute great time and the dream come
Speaker 2: true for sure. And as far as my Clipper fandom,
Speaker 2: I've been a Clipper fan as long as I can remember.
Speaker 2: Fell in love with Lob City, fell in love with
Speaker 2: the pre lob City, like Lob City Junior with Baron
Speaker 2: Davis and Blake Griffin, and you know, my dad would
Speaker 2: take me to games when I was younger, and I
Speaker 2: just fell in love with the team. I fell in
Speaker 2: love with basketball because of them, and I was just
Speaker 2: believing with them ever since. You know, I was kind,
Speaker 2: I was kind of Lakers and Clippers at the time.
Speaker 2: Then just gravitated towards the Clippers. And you know, I've
Speaker 2: always been a fan of the underdog and I would
Speaker 2: love to see the Clippers win their first championship. I've
Speaker 2: been loyal ever since and I'm going to continue to
Speaker 2: do so.
Speaker 1: Is that what part of the draw is you want
Speaker 1: to be there when this franchise wins their first championship.
Speaker 1: That would be more meaningful for you than just being
Speaker 1: a part of Laker Nation when they win eighteen one hundred.
Speaker 2: Like every year, I feel like I make a new
Speaker 2: friend that's a Clipper fan, or I meet someone who
Speaker 2: that's a Clipper fan, and like, it's so cool to
Speaker 2: connect with Clipper fans. And I know that first one's
Speaker 2: gonna be real special and everyone's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: come together, like just rejoice, and especially with all the
Speaker 2: the heartbreaks that all Clipper fans have had to go through.
Speaker 2: It's the first one will feel really really good.
Speaker 1: It's gonna make it special. It's all gonna be worth
Speaker 1: it in the end. Reporting wise, I've seen you court side,
Speaker 1: I've seen you there. Who are some of your inspirations
Speaker 1: getting into this field. Who are the people that you
Speaker 1: looked into along the way that kind of paid the
Speaker 1: way for you and made you feel like, this is
Speaker 1: what I want to do with my career.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, just to start, for sure,
Speaker 2: Kevin Harlan, my favorite play by play commentator, Ralph Lawler,
Speaker 2: aside from Ralph Lawler. Yeah, Ralphlawler will be number one
Speaker 2: for sure. Then Kevin Harlan on the national stage. I
Speaker 2: feel like both of them were able to just make
Speaker 2: anything exciting, especially Kevin Harlan. And growing up, you know,
Speaker 2: I was just constantly watching NBA games and hearing those
Speaker 2: voices and I'm like, who does that? How do you
Speaker 2: do that? I have the job you could just like
Speaker 2: talk while you're watching the game like that was always
Speaker 2: so intriguing to me. Mike Breen. Of course, Craig Sager
Speaker 2: Rip a legend with the best suits in the game.
Speaker 1: Unless you ask Kevin Garnett, you would have to hard
Speaker 1: that on.
Speaker 2: You need this, yeh.
Speaker 1: Rip Craig Seger. Of course, the Clippers have Christina Pink
Speaker 1: who I think is the best in the game currently.
Speaker 1: You see her also on the NFL side. She's amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, she's one of a kind.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, you ever have to deal with any angry
Speaker 1: coach or player? Was there ever a rough moment that
Speaker 1: you just had to kind of navigate and get through it?
Speaker 1: You didn't have any boom goes the dynamite, I'm sure, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, my first time doing sideline reporting that
Speaker 2: have tod not go well for the team, and the
Speaker 2: coach immediately did not look happy, and it is my
Speaker 2: first times. I was just, you know, I was picking
Speaker 2: up the signals that she probably wasn't in the biggest
Speaker 2: mood to do an interview. But you know, that's how
Speaker 2: it is. That's how it is.
Speaker 1: The job is the job. If Nick Saban says I'm
Speaker 1: not going to answer, so stop asking or whatever like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but never you know, never like you know, anyone
Speaker 2: getting mad at me personally or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Not not too combative. Cool cool, yeah, yeah, yeah, putting
Speaker 1: them on their heels. Immediately they're saying, all right, this guy,
Speaker 1: he's a good one. We're gonna play nicely here with
Speaker 1: this interview. What clipper would you like to interview most?
Speaker 1: If you could current clipper.
Speaker 2: It have to be Kawhi Leonard. It just would have
Speaker 2: to be, like, I mean about you getting a lot
Speaker 2: out of Leonard?
Speaker 1: What are the questions here, Jack? What are you asking him?
Speaker 2: Oh? I mean, I'd have to think about that one.
Speaker 2: But oh, there's so many Like talk about just a
Speaker 2: guy you just don't know a lot about, Like I
Speaker 2: just want to know, like what he does every day.
Speaker 2: I want to know, like what he says, what's like
Speaker 2: the first thing he does when he made I just
Speaker 2: want to know his day to day life and what
Speaker 2: goes on in the world of QUI.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll ever be that transparent. He's
Speaker 1: a private guy and we respect that about him. But
Speaker 1: you know, he's also a fun guy. And I think
Speaker 1: one of my favorite things was when he went on
Speaker 1: Serge of Bacca's cooking show. Oh yeah, you really got
Speaker 1: to see kind of a fish out of water there
Speaker 1: with Kawhi Leonard going outside of himself a little bit
Speaker 1: and opening up. That was cool to see. All right,
Speaker 1: So before we get to the Paul George news, we
Speaker 1: did have some positive news regarding it beats Zoo bus
Speaker 1: getting a contract extension. Uh, this was big, not just
Speaker 1: for Big Zoo, but I think for Clipper Nation overall.
Speaker 1: There's been a lot of positive feedback regarding this. Just
Speaker 1: where are you when it comes to I don't know,
Speaker 1: you got a big Zoo jersey back there? When it
Speaker 1: comes to the Clippers starting center? Is he your guy?
Speaker 2: I have always been a big Zoo fan. I don't
Speaker 2: have a Zoo jersey. I would love one. I just
Speaker 2: have to point out I just had to move the
Speaker 2: camera slightly away from my Paul George jersey. That's that's
Speaker 2: there right now.
Speaker 1: You're afraid you're gonna upset people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like, you know, I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm the best move for the time being. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna roll with it. Yeah. I look, I think Zoo's
Speaker 2: so underrated, and you know, people are hard on Zoo.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot. But he he's the longest
Speaker 2: tenured Clipper. He's just always done his job, never really complained.
Speaker 2: You know, he gives one hundred and ten percent. He's
Speaker 2: not on a crazy deal at all. Like it just
Speaker 2: very like like honestly, just a lucky get. Like think
Speaker 2: like we literally got him for free. It's just a
Speaker 2: very lucky get. Like just it's just hard to really,
Speaker 2: you know, be so critical. Obviously there's ways he can
Speaker 2: improve and you know, be better, but he's got to
Speaker 2: be grateful for him and he wants to stay a Clipper,
Speaker 2: So I'm happy that he's going to continue to do so.
Speaker 1: I know he started with the Lakers, but because he's
Speaker 1: been in southern California throughout his career, it feels like
Speaker 1: he's almost home grown. That he's been with the Clippers
Speaker 1: now the longest tenured team he's been with, and we've
Speaker 1: seen him grow and develop and have playoffs struggles and
Speaker 1: overcome those. And last season, I think in that series
Speaker 1: against the Dallas Mavericks, he was their second best player
Speaker 1: behind James Harden. I really think that was a little
Speaker 1: bit of his coming out party. More of that will
Speaker 1: be happening this season. I've been asking a lot of people, Jack,
Speaker 1: what are your expectations points in rebound averaging wise for
Speaker 1: Vitza Zoo Bots. What do you want to see from
Speaker 1: him productivity wise, what would meet your standard of expectations
Speaker 1: now on a new contract, even though the extension doesn't
Speaker 1: kick until after this season, But what does he need
Speaker 1: to do to live up to some of his part
Speaker 1: of the bargain?
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's I think it's gonna be,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the same that we've seen.
Speaker 2: I think it'll be similar to last year, and last
Speaker 2: year was a good year for him especially. I think
Speaker 2: we'll see we'll see an uptick. I think I think
Speaker 2: he's going to be more part of the offense this year.
Speaker 2: I think, like with Harden, you know, he he improved
Speaker 2: hard and set him up really well. I think you
Speaker 2: earned that trust for sure once the Clippers acquired Harden,
Speaker 2: and you know, like we we see hard and work
Speaker 2: with a lot of centers and you know, up their
Speaker 2: points average. Like so I think that that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: I think we'll see a littleuptick in his points and
Speaker 2: he would deliver. You know, he's got his signature right
Speaker 2: hook that he loves to do. And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it would be a little bit of the same. But
Speaker 2: I could see an uptick.
Speaker 1: For sure, especially because they just need more. No Paul George,
Speaker 1: no Russell Westbrook. You would expect him and Terrence Man
Speaker 1: to get more opportunities. And speaking of Team Man, that's
Speaker 1: another guy who's extension eligible. Just where does he rank?
Speaker 1: Because he is an all time Clipper fan favorite, he
Speaker 1: is truly homegrown. He is ingrained with this organization. He's
Speaker 1: part of the DNA, part of the makeup. And I
Speaker 1: think the character and the professionalism that he has shown
Speaker 1: is what being a Clipper is all about. I want
Speaker 1: to see him here for a long time. Just what
Speaker 1: do you expect out of Terrence Man this season? And
Speaker 1: do you think they lock him up for a long
Speaker 1: term deal and what those numbers might be?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean, we've still heard
Speaker 2: talks about the Clippers wanting to find that third star.
Speaker 2: We know it typically involves Team Man and trade talks,
Speaker 2: but we saw them be stubborn to not give him
Speaker 2: up for Harden, which was a good move. And Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I think we're gonna see an aggressive Team
Speaker 2: Man this year. I think he's really gonna be gunning
Speaker 2: for it. I think he sees there's an opening that
Speaker 2: needs to be filled for scoring and he could do
Speaker 2: it like he shows those spurts every year. It seems
Speaker 2: like allow that stretch where he's like like like twenty
Speaker 2: four here, you know, eighteen there, twenty six year. He
Speaker 2: can do it, and it's just about doing it consistently
Speaker 2: now and and really chipping in and sEH. I think
Speaker 2: I think it'll be another improve and improved the year
Speaker 2: for Teaman and he'll be more aggressive and and up
Speaker 2: is scoring.
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at all these jerseys, it kind of
Speaker 1: begs the question you said you got in pre Lob City.
Speaker 1: Who's your Clipper's goat? Who's your guy?
Speaker 2: Man? It look, I'm one of those guy. I'm one
Speaker 2: of those fans that will always love Chris Paul and
Speaker 2: it always was Chris Paul for the longest time. It's
Speaker 2: it's been Kawhi Leonard currently. For sure. I think when
Speaker 2: it comes to like like the Clipper, Like if you
Speaker 2: think of like the Clipper, like one guy that's like
Speaker 2: the Clipper, it's like it's just you know, like they
Speaker 2: say he has the most or out of any clipper,
Speaker 2: I'd agree. I would frankly agree. And yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: clipper goat, Clipper goat, though Clipper go I'm gonna go Kawhi.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go Kawhi.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's definitely the most talented player
Speaker 1: to ever put on a Clippers jersey. Some people, you know,
Speaker 1: they just want to see him be healthy complete a
Speaker 1: playoff run. We know what he's capable of, two time finals, MVP,
Speaker 1: two time Defensive Player of the Year winner, a champion
Speaker 1: two times over. Hoping for the best with his health.
Speaker 1: Maybe more on that coming up in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But there were some comments and I allude to this
Speaker 1: and SE's this out long enough earlier today on podcast
Speaker 1: P and I'll play them and then we can react
Speaker 1: to this audio and vision rule here as I try
Speaker 1: to act as young as Jack now to pull off
Speaker 1: and share the screen and make sure the sounds actually working.
Speaker 1: This was from Tomara Azari. I know our friend was
Speaker 1: of the athletics. I feel like they stabbed to start this,
Speaker 1: I think, can you hear it?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Feel I can't on mind side, but that's all right.
Speaker 1: I've already listened to this thing like ten times and
Speaker 1: dissected it like it's the Suppruder film or something. But
Speaker 1: play the whole thing in its entirety. Two minutes and
Speaker 1: twenty seven seconds if you two flags this later, I'll
Speaker 1: cut it out afterwards, but after this we'll react. This
Speaker 1: was earlier today on the new podcast P episode with
Speaker 1: Paul George's father.
Speaker 3: You feel popped, Lynn uh PG left La and said
Speaker 3: I'm going to Philly. Wow. It was hurting. I mean
Speaker 3: it was like it was I feel like they stabbed
Speaker 3: us in the back, you know, because I thought Paul
Speaker 3: did a whole lot for the team far as in
Speaker 3: the fan base, the fans was there, he was there.
Speaker 3: I think he gave him one hundred and ten percent,
Speaker 3: and what he was acting, it wasn't a whole lot, right,
Speaker 3: you know, but they've seen something different now. But I
Speaker 3: didn't want him just to take anything, you know, So
Speaker 3: his whole thing here, you know, he does he does
Speaker 3: stand up for what he believed in, and so he
Speaker 3: felt that that was you know, that was a bunch
Speaker 3: of bull that they came at him with. And I
Speaker 3: wasn't gonna sugar coat it either, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm behind you one hundred percent. You know
Speaker 3: you got to leave. We're gonna leave, you know. And uh,
Speaker 3: of course, you know, it's kind of put us in
Speaker 3: a little bumping grind. But Hey, you know, it's all good,
Speaker 3: it's all good, all good, you know good, you know something,
Speaker 3: you know you love being at home. But then sometime
Speaker 3: home could you know kind of and ask yeah, with
Speaker 3: him being here all his life and all that and
Speaker 3: he's home now, Like it wasn't one of the moments,
Speaker 3: look just take what they giving boy.
Speaker 1: No, it was like, yeah, a little back. It was
Speaker 1: what you deserve.
Speaker 3: Yes, I love Yes, he put in worked for it,
Speaker 3: and I felt that he should have got paid for.
Speaker 1: He did a lot, I'll say even more one and
Speaker 1: twenty percent win.
Speaker 3: You and so that you know, you know, like we
Speaker 3: didn't stutter about it, you know we didn't. You know, well,
Speaker 3: let me think about it, like what they come at
Speaker 3: you like this right, Oh, no, you got to go,
Speaker 3: you know you got to go. I was looking at Okay,
Speaker 3: we're gonna go next door then, but they already pen
Speaker 3: two words money, you know what. You know, we gonna
Speaker 3: still come down into the tunnel. He's gonna be wearing
Speaker 3: a different color, saying all.
Speaker 1: Right, there it is. It was like all the Clippers
Speaker 1: jerseys in Jack's room.
Speaker 2: A lot.
Speaker 1: You could say, it was a lot. And we'll dissect
Speaker 1: it all here right off the top. The thing that
Speaker 1: stands out to me. Jack, and I know this was
Speaker 1: a subject you wanted to broach even before this happened
Speaker 1: earlier today. I know you had thoughts on Paul George
Speaker 1: leaving the Clippers. I wonder if you're a scorn to
Speaker 1: CP three leaving or Elton Brand leaving. I mean, some
Speaker 1: people turn on Elton Brand and have never forgiven him
Speaker 1: the way he did the Clippers, and you still have
Speaker 1: a game Warren jersey from him. But the backstabbing comment,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the appropriate word. In fact,
Speaker 1: I know it's not. They didn't tell him something and
Speaker 1: do something else. They were transparent from the get go.
Speaker 1: In fact, some people felt like they so balled him
Speaker 1: initially because Paul George presented the contract situation at first
Speaker 1: on podcast P is just being offered sixty million at
Speaker 1: the start of the season. Well it was sixty million
Speaker 1: plus the fifty should he opt into the last year
Speaker 1: of his contract, so technically one hundred and ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: As a starting point for a negotiation tactic, that's pretty
Speaker 1: much what you do as the team. You start low,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go higher. You try to meet somewhere in
Speaker 1: the middle, but backstabbing far from it. Just your reaction
Speaker 1: to that really inflammatory word. And by the way, it's
Speaker 1: his family, what are they going to say. I commend
Speaker 1: his dad for sticking up for him. That's what any
Speaker 1: good father would do. I just think we have to
Speaker 1: present the other side to this as well.
Speaker 2: Agreed with everything you said, and yeah, it's it's not
Speaker 2: a backstabbing, it's how it worked. You produce a certain
Speaker 2: amount for the team you're on and what you're offered
Speaker 2: is going to reflect that. And it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: like he thinks it gets like some special treatment, Like no,
Speaker 2: it's it's you're on a team. It's like you're not.
Speaker 2: Like there's just so many words going into my head.
Speaker 2: But like you see this happen all the time. You
Speaker 2: see with Jalen Brunston, just this year, like you're gonna
Speaker 2: get the contract for like best for the organization and
Speaker 2: best for you, like combined. And it was very fair,
Speaker 2: it was very deserving for how he produced for the team.
Speaker 1: And I would to make it clear it's fair that
Speaker 1: if he gets seventy million more from Phillies to take
Speaker 1: that money. I don't have a problem with any of that.
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that we're still talking about this.
Speaker 1: I thought this was tabled by now, but then he
Speaker 1: brings up the B team comment and now this happens,
Speaker 1: So you're opening up that can of worms, and I
Speaker 1: guess we have to react to it now, or at
Speaker 1: least I'm going to.
Speaker 2: And it's just all the promises he made about bringing
Speaker 2: a trophy to the organization and how he wants to
Speaker 2: retire a Clipper and look like Jamal Christopher.
Speaker 3: Said, you lied.
Speaker 2: Lied, Okay, you lied about you has tweets, you lied
Speaker 2: about everything. All Right, I can't do it. It's gonna
Speaker 2: see you lied. Okay.
Speaker 1: There was a Meet the Graham's parody done on this
Speaker 1: show where he said, Meet the Georges. Yes, went through
Speaker 1: all the lines like ka Dot did with you lied
Speaker 1: a bunch. He also said that was tug and cheek
Speaker 1: and he was a big fan, a huge fan of
Speaker 1: Paul George. I think he still is. This is hard
Speaker 1: for all of us. I have defended him up until
Speaker 1: what happened against Dallas in that playoff series, which was
Speaker 1: just inexcusable for him to only take sixteen shots per
Speaker 1: game without basically having Kawhi or the real Kawhi in
Speaker 1: that series at all. I had always been defending him
Speaker 1: because of what happened in twenty one and how he
Speaker 1: produced on the way to the Western Conference Finals and
Speaker 1: those last two games against Utah, And it wasn't just
Speaker 1: Terrence Man, but Paul George was great, and he was
Speaker 1: very good overall against the Phoenix Suns. But it became
Speaker 1: indefensible when you bookend his tenure as a Clipper with
Speaker 1: the bubble playoff run and then what happened in this
Speaker 1: past season against Dallas, only averaging nineteen points per game.
Speaker 1: I can't stick up for that anymore. Like he made
Speaker 1: it really difficult.
Speaker 2: I agree, And I just think what I think this
Speaker 2: playoff run like told everything that the organization needed to know.
Speaker 2: I think I don't think Paul George necessarily, I don't
Speaker 2: think he choked like. I don't think he like shied
Speaker 2: away like I think, like, look, he went to take
Speaker 2: a shot, he played like he gave it us all.
Speaker 2: I just don't think there was any better to be had, Like,
Speaker 2: I just think that's who he was, Like this playoff
Speaker 2: showed like that's who he was, Like, I mean, credits
Speaker 2: to the Mavericks, the way they defended him, the way
Speaker 2: that they made him play. You know, I think I
Speaker 2: think he did his best, Like I don't think I
Speaker 2: think he did his best.
Speaker 1: I'll push back against that a little bit, only because
Speaker 1: I think Paul George is one of the most talented
Speaker 1: NBA players of all time. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is between the ears. It's a mentality issue. When
Speaker 1: he's only taking less than sixteen shots per game, that's
Speaker 1: just not good enough when you have to be the
Speaker 1: number one option in that situation. To me, you at
Speaker 1: least have to go out firing and putting up shots.
Speaker 1: You have to, or you have no chance in that
Speaker 1: series You're da. He at least has to get them
Speaker 1: up if he struggles, because you know, he puts up
Speaker 1: twenty two or twenty three shots and he only hits
Speaker 1: seven of them or eight of them. I can live
Speaker 1: with that more than him only taking sixteen or less.
Speaker 1: I remember Kobe saying this once before, but you're gonna
Speaker 1: see me go oh for twenty before you see me
Speaker 1: go oh for ten, because he's gonna continue to keep firing.
Speaker 1: I just I didn't understand that part of it.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 1: That was troublesome.
Speaker 2: I agree, like you do have to push the envelope
Speaker 2: and you know you can't shy away. I just remember
Speaker 2: watching and thinking like, Okay, I don't I don't think
Speaker 2: like just from watching personally like stats aside, like I
Speaker 2: didn't think you know, he was not trying to take
Speaker 2: shots or like just giving it up and like not
Speaker 2: caring at all, because of course you don't want to
Speaker 2: just force up bad shots. But but you're right, sixteen
Speaker 2: is too low for a guy like him. And but
Speaker 2: but at the same time, like like who he is,
Speaker 2: Like I think that's just who he is, Like he's
Speaker 2: not a number one that if you know, that was
Speaker 2: him as a number one, not number one. I don't
Speaker 2: think he's number two to be frank, I think you
Speaker 2: know he can maybe he was right now, isn't there enough?
Speaker 2: Like we're seeing all the talent and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: the one and two option is maybe a little overrated
Speaker 2: now like we're seeing more Team Bawl, But like is
Speaker 2: he up there with Jayalen Brown? Is he up there
Speaker 2: with like like you saw how number twos have to
Speaker 2: play like Jalen Brown, Like how or you know Jaylen
Speaker 2: Brown is the number two, or Jamal Murray is the
Speaker 2: number two, or you know, like you know, like like
Speaker 2: a Chris Middleton, Drew Holliday is the number two, like
Speaker 2: you saw how well you have to play, And I
Speaker 2: mean he can. He's was able to do it in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and he became the number one, and
Speaker 2: he did it great in that year. But he just
Speaker 2: hasn't done it since. And I don't think the Clippers
Speaker 2: are going to invest so much money into someone that
Speaker 2: is is iffy in that sense.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think at this point, thirty
Speaker 1: four years of age, he's probably not even a number
Speaker 1: two anymore, which makes the situation in Philly perfect for him.
Speaker 1: He can play behind MB, he can play behind Tyrese Maxey.
Speaker 1: He was playing behind throughout a lot of the season,
Speaker 1: playing off ball next to James Harden and Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 1: and thriving and putting up huge efficiency numbers. I guess
Speaker 1: what just frustrates me with Paul George's The ability is there,
Speaker 1: like he's a three level scorer. When you're six '
Speaker 1: nine and have a handle like that and can shoot
Speaker 1: over the top of guys like that, that has the
Speaker 1: prototype or the archetype of being a number one option,
Speaker 1: like the skill sets there, it's just whether or not
Speaker 1: he wants to do the hard stuff or be aggressive
Speaker 1: enough or put it on his shoulders. That's what I
Speaker 1: have a hard time reconciling throughout his career, and just
Speaker 1: you know, he's conflicted. I think Lucas Hans said this
Speaker 1: on our last show yesterday. He seems conflicted what role
Speaker 1: he wants, who he wants to be as a player.
Speaker 1: He thought he was a number one, then he realized
Speaker 1: he wasn't, and then he says he's the number two
Speaker 1: and not even the one b to Kawhi. But then
Speaker 1: coach Lewis Wall tell him, you're not a number two,
Speaker 1: you're a bad mother effort, you're not the glue guy,
Speaker 1: You're not all these things. There's almost like an identity
Speaker 1: crisis going on with him as a player. Sometimes it
Speaker 1: feels like, and I don't mean to be overly harsh,
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's so damn talented it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense. And I'm trying to rationalize and reason through
Speaker 1: this and figure out what's going on. But maybe in
Speaker 1: the end, you know, if they end up winning a
Speaker 1: championship and he's in Philly as a number three. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. It's just if you were asking
Speaker 1: for max money, you're asking for two hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: and if you can get it from Philly, as he did,
Speaker 1: that's great. But I said a month before free agency started,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give him the MAX. And I think if
Speaker 1: he bawled out in that playoff series and they had
Speaker 1: a chance, I think even without Kawhi to pull through
Speaker 1: because Luca wasn't playing that great, he was banged up.
Speaker 1: Terrence Man played him perfectly. He was at forty percent
Speaker 1: from the floor, twenty percent from three. The Clippers weren't
Speaker 1: then striking distance. They win Game six, they're back at
Speaker 1: home for Game seven. You can't tell me that series
Speaker 1: wasn't within reach. So if Paul George is averaging twenty
Speaker 1: five per game someone efficiently, they might have won. It
Speaker 1: could have happened, and therefore I don't think the Clippers
Speaker 1: would be able to let him go. So that was,
Speaker 1: you know, a proven moment or a moment of truth
Speaker 1: for him, and it showed me I guess who he
Speaker 1: was ultimately as a player. Maybe you're right he should
Speaker 1: be a number three, right, now on a championship team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I also think, you know, you have
Speaker 2: to look at it like is he closer to being
Speaker 2: able to be the best player on a championship team
Speaker 2: like a Nicolojoki, Jason Tatum or you know whoever, like
Speaker 2: a Steph Curry, like a Janis can he? Is he
Speaker 2: closer to that? Like a Kawhi? You know, is he
Speaker 2: closer to that?
Speaker 4: Or is he closer to someone like you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know, because you have to be exactly that's that's
Speaker 4: honestly A great a great person. Bradley Beale, Yeah, which
Speaker 4: one is the closes.
Speaker 2: To like, you know, like a like a I don't
Speaker 2: want to be disrespectful because he is like a great
Speaker 2: player and has so many great moments, but I think,
Speaker 2: like that's that's the question. And because to be like
Speaker 2: a number two option means you're like the one being.
Speaker 2: It means like you are a number one, but to
Speaker 2: be in the team role setting like you're okay being
Speaker 2: a number two. And I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know from all the years Is played on the Clippers,
Speaker 2: he had twenty twenty one, but other than that, I
Speaker 2: mean that's one year out of his five years, yeah,
Speaker 2: five years and then of the year. So I mean
Speaker 2: the Clippers are looking at like, Okay, you got that
Speaker 2: one great year, but like other than that, it's like
Speaker 2: we're just not seeing that in these other years.
Speaker 1: I think his last year he was third in MVP voting,
Speaker 1: third and Defensive Player of the Year voting. I think
Speaker 1: he was All NBA First Team and he was still
Speaker 1: twenty eight, he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and starting his prime. Yeah. And you know that
Speaker 2: trade too for Shay for Paul George and also it
Speaker 2: technically involves Kauahi. But like, ultimately, what the organizations want
Speaker 2: to do they want to make a championship contending team.
Speaker 2: The Clippers had a championship contending team in that twenty
Speaker 2: twenty season. You're like everyone was still you know, all
Speaker 2: about the super teams and you have to be so
Speaker 2: good like the KD Warriors and just destroy everyone and
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be even close. Like, no, that's not
Speaker 2: how the NBA has ever worked other than those years.
Speaker 2: Like it's competitive, it's not guaranteed for one team a
Speaker 2: way we've seen it since the KDI Warriors had been disbanded,
Speaker 2: it's been a different championship winning team every year, and
Speaker 2: no one really knows wh's gonna win every year. That's
Speaker 2: how it usually is. So Clippers did a great job
Speaker 2: with that trade. It was worth it. It look in hindsight,
Speaker 2: who knows, but look, championship contending team one game away
Speaker 2: from the conference frounds in twenty twenty could have won
Speaker 2: it all. Twenty twenty one could have won it all.
Speaker 2: Kawhi gets hurt and he's hurt the next year, and
Speaker 2: then YadA, YadA, YadA, is still like we're in the
Speaker 2: running next Like that's all you can ask for. Then
Speaker 2: there's luck involved, and hey, like Paul George was doing
Speaker 2: his party great in twenty twenty one, didn't do great
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, but still like Clippers are right there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's unfortunate, but it's just the way it happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the trade was good process. It didn't
Speaker 1: end up with the result that we wanted. But when
Speaker 1: I mentioned good process and why, you shouldn't look back
Speaker 1: at that trade as being the wrong move because it
Speaker 1: didn't work out well. I think every GM in the
Speaker 1: history of basketball makes that move. Yep, Jerry West signed
Speaker 1: off on that move. The late great Jerry West, Now,
Speaker 1: who is the greatest exec in the history of basketball?
Speaker 1: Because like you said, it's never a given, but you
Speaker 1: take those chances and swings when you have them available
Speaker 1: to you. Because now if you look forward a little
Speaker 1: bit and people are already talking about twenty twenty six
Speaker 1: free agency and how Luca and SGA could be available,
Speaker 1: it's like the amount of times where you have a
Speaker 1: chance to get the Raining Finals MVP Kawhi Leonard who
Speaker 1: had just won with Toronto and a guy who again
Speaker 1: just finished top three at MVP and Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, and put them together on the same team
Speaker 1: in their prime, even with some injury concerns at that point.
Speaker 1: But nobody could have foreseen this.
Speaker 2: You do it.
Speaker 1: You do it every time because that rarely is ever
Speaker 1: going to come about. Case in point twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: How much faith do you have that you know you
Speaker 1: could pry Luco away or prior SGA away at that time.
Speaker 1: It's so rare. You have to do it when you can.
Speaker 1: But Paul George, to me, in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: just didn't live up to expectations. Was he good? He
Speaker 1: was good, but two out of three playoff runs were abysmal.
Speaker 1: You can say, and that is what a lot of
Speaker 1: people are going to remember. And when I hear stuff about,
Speaker 1: you know, stabbed in the back, backstabbed, it's like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, you're saying the Clippers did Paul George dirty.
Speaker 1: They paid him one hundred and ninety million dollar max
Speaker 1: extension after what happened in the bubble. Right after they
Speaker 1: gave him the max extension, they gave him all his friends,
Speaker 1: at least that they could reasonably. They gave him Reggie
Speaker 1: that worked out, John Wall No, Russell Westbrook No. They
Speaker 1: let him play off ball when he wanted to, on
Speaker 1: ball when he wanted to, whatever the mood happened to be,
Speaker 1: or whatever he felt comfortable with. The fans backed him up.
Speaker 1: They defended him. They were in the trenches defending him
Speaker 1: on X, defending his legacy. I defended him after twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one because there was evidence to do so. I
Speaker 1: couldn't after what just happened against Dallas. I just don't
Speaker 1: see it as backstabbed. They didn't tell him he was
Speaker 1: going to for sure get two hundred million at the
Speaker 1: end of this season. They offered him one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten million to start off negotiation. So I don't know
Speaker 1: what the surprise was there, and afterward happened in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: still offering him one hundred and fifty million, the same
Speaker 1: as Kawhi Leonard, which is what he said. He asked
Speaker 1: for just give me what Kawai got. But then in
Speaker 1: his own podcast he admitted that once they did, he said, quote, well,
Speaker 1: now we're in the ballpark. Oh wait, he said, just
Speaker 1: give you what kaw I got. And then they offered
Speaker 1: you that. And then you say, well, now we're in
Speaker 1: the ballpark. Wait, wait a second. So were you so
Speaker 1: scorned that they didn't offer you that right off the bat?
Speaker 2: Was it that?
Speaker 1: Or was it the fact that you always knew Philadelphia
Speaker 1: had the max and it was waiting for you because
Speaker 1: they didn't make any moves at the trade deadline, and
Speaker 1: it was telegraphed that they were going to offer you
Speaker 1: that MAX slot and you were always going to leave.
Speaker 1: That's what I think it is. More so than anything,
Speaker 1: I think he's trying to win in the court of
Speaker 1: public opinion with Clippers fans right now. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's necessarily working, presenting himself as, you know, a victim here.
Speaker 1: I was backstabbed the Clipper you know, they went around
Speaker 1: me or I didn't feel appreciated this type of talk.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's working. I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: benefiting him right now to continue to talk about the Clippers.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Philadelphia fans want to keep hear
Speaker 1: harping about this stuff either. At this point, I feel
Speaker 1: like he's still worried about his ex you know.
Speaker 2: I like what you said about like not living up
Speaker 2: to expectations. You know, I think, you know, all Clipper fans,
Speaker 2: me included, you know, put a lot of hype as
Speaker 2: soon as the trade happened, and like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: he was just almost MVP, like he's gonna be great,
Speaker 2: and of course, like he had like that twenty twenty
Speaker 2: one season, like I will always love Paul George's just
Speaker 2: for that season, like that was huge and got the
Speaker 2: Clippers of the first ever conference finals.
Speaker 1: And you know, the more he talks though, the further
Speaker 1: we get away from that season, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: He's adding all this stuff for us to think about
Speaker 1: that we don't want to other think about twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, And it's just you know, I think
Speaker 2: the Clippers are seeing just the offensive boom and all
Speaker 2: these players just able to get you know, thirty forty
Speaker 2: like with Ease, and I mean, like he's not even
Speaker 2: really cracking twenty in the first round of the playoffs
Speaker 2: as the first option. Like it was it was a
Speaker 2: bit of a letdown to watch this year. And like
Speaker 2: I was at that game five, the worst Clipper home
Speaker 2: playoff loss in NBA history, And I mean, he just
Speaker 2: didn't even remember he was playing. It just didn't even
Speaker 2: seem like he was out there and he like like
Speaker 2: he's a great player. But yeah, I was. It was
Speaker 2: a bummer. It was a bummer for sure. And I
Speaker 2: also think I also think, you know, as talented as
Speaker 2: him and Kawhi are and as you know good friends
Speaker 2: that they are. I remember there was a video on
Speaker 2: Twitter of them still at the club together in Vegas
Speaker 2: this offseason after Paul George left, and they're so good
Speaker 2: on the courtt like Toget, they're just their individual talent.
Speaker 2: I have to just be honest through seeing them through
Speaker 2: all these years, spent five years like Kui, Paul Georgia
Speaker 2: and the Clippers five years ago, through five years, five seasons,
Speaker 2: you know, the playoff runs. I just don't ever think
Speaker 2: they just they meshed like perfectly as as star duos
Speaker 2: should necessari that I could be wrong. I'm just from
Speaker 2: my I just never saw that. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: Lebron and Anthony Davis did it great in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: I feel like Jamal Marine Eagle, Ledio, Okay Tatum and
Speaker 2: Jaylen Brown like you know, Curran Draymond or whoever. I like,
Speaker 2: you just see them mesh like just so well. I
Speaker 2: just may maybe it just wasn't consistent enough. You know,
Speaker 2: there was injuries. I maybe just didn't see it consistently enough.
Speaker 2: But that was just my opinion. And you know comes
Speaker 2: down to this them being super talented to get the
Speaker 2: team by and you know they're barely available and maybe
Speaker 2: the talent wasn't there enough to do so. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that was my thoughts.
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good point because it felt
Speaker 1: like at times they won on overwhelming talent rather than
Speaker 1: chemistry on court, jelling, a meshing and all that. And
Speaker 1: it's almost tragic in some ways because they did have
Speaker 1: a win percentage together at around seven hundred, which is elite.
Speaker 1: But Andrew Greif brought this up on the show. Andrew
Speaker 1: Greif the La Times, formally covering the Clippers for the
Speaker 1: La Times. He said, you know those last two games,
Speaker 1: Game three and four against Utah in the second round
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, I think were the first two
Speaker 1: games where they each had thirty points in back to
Speaker 1: back games together, and they were coming together, and you
Speaker 1: saw it happening in real time. And then why tears
Speaker 1: the ACL at the end of game four.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, like you got a glimpse, And I
Speaker 1: mean I was convinced. I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: at that time, but I was convinced after seeing what
Speaker 1: happened against Phoenix two and taking them to six, and
Speaker 1: knowing who Milwaukee was and what Kawhi had done to
Speaker 1: Giannis in the past, I was convinced they were gonna win.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, the year same year.
Speaker 1: I that was still hers. So does this So the
Speaker 1: comments about the backstabbing and stuff today, and one of
Speaker 1: the other things that was said was what he was
Speaker 1: asking for wasn't a whole lot. Look, it's Paul George's dad.
Speaker 1: What is he going to say. He's going to defend
Speaker 1: his son. But it's like, well, it's not nothing. It's
Speaker 1: two hundred million. I don't understand that part of it,
Speaker 1: And he said he he said talking about Paul George,
Speaker 1: that Paul felt like it was a bunch of bull
Speaker 1: that they came at him with. That's I think the
Speaker 1: exact quote. Well, if they offered one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: at the start negotiations, which is what it was, if
Speaker 1: you look at the two seasons before that, Paul George
Speaker 1: played a total of eighty seven games, I don't think
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten million after that is this slap
Speaker 1: in the face, low ball offer when you're starting negotiations obviously,
Speaker 1: and they know Paul's camp is going to counter. I
Speaker 1: don't understand that part of it.
Speaker 2: Are you with me, Jack, I'm with you. I'm with you,
Speaker 2: right do you?
Speaker 1: This feels like, I don't know, revisionist history or just
Speaker 1: looking at it through and everybody's going to look at
Speaker 1: it from their side. But some are screaming right now,
Speaker 1: what about Kawhi? Well, Kawhi missed a lot of games too.
Speaker 1: In the end, I think he missed about forty more
Speaker 1: games than his clipper ten year, over five years than
Speaker 1: Paul George missed after missing an entire season being out
Speaker 1: with acl forty game difference. My point has always been
Speaker 1: the difference in games played between them isn't as great
Speaker 1: as the difference in play between Kawhi and Paul George
Speaker 1: when they are both available. Kawhi is just so much
Speaker 1: better and so much more reliable in big moments in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. So even though he missed forty more games
Speaker 1: than Paul George, I think he made up with that
Speaker 1: by being superhuman against Dallas just to get out of
Speaker 1: that first round in twenty twenty one with a forty
Speaker 1: five point game and a must win situation on the
Speaker 1: road in Dallas, which I think is one of the
Speaker 1: greatest games of all time. So when people point to
Speaker 1: when I heard this from Fred Rogan on AM five
Speaker 1: to seventy, he asked me this before the Clippers pay
Speaker 1: the wrong guy, I'm like, no, I tweeted this out
Speaker 1: earlier today. I would always rather take my chances with
Speaker 1: a guy who, yes, the right knee is a concern.
Speaker 1: It has to be at this point four straight seasons,
Speaker 1: he's not able to finish the year. But I would
Speaker 1: rather hold on to that hope of him being healthy
Speaker 1: because I know, even if Paul George is healthy it's
Speaker 1: still not happening with just him. If Kawhi is healthy,
Speaker 1: if you have him ready to go in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you feel like you have a chance. Even if Paul
Speaker 1: George is healthy and ready to go in one hundred percent,
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna do that night. He
Speaker 1: could play like a top ten player, he could play
Speaker 1: like a top forty player, you know's I'd rather have
Speaker 1: that security, or at least the chance of knowing with
Speaker 1: Kawai healthy, you might be able to win it all somehow,
Speaker 1: rather than having Paul George maybe being a little bit
Speaker 1: more healthy overall than him. But you kind of know
Speaker 1: what your ceiling is and it's not a championship with
Speaker 1: him as the guy. Is that fair?
Speaker 2: Yep?
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I some of the comments and again
Speaker 1: it's his dad. What are you gonna say, what's Paul
Speaker 1: George gonna say? He kind of was co signing and
Speaker 1: nodding his head to all this stuff earlier today. But
Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, like you know, like.
Speaker 2: You said earlier, him taking that money from Philly isn't crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it's a business. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day. He wanted the money, okay, and I
Speaker 2: think you're right. It's the comments of like the backstabbing
Speaker 2: B team, the comments earlier how he wants to finish
Speaker 2: a Clipper and he wants to bring a trophy. Hey, dude,
Speaker 2: if you wanted to bring a trophy, you take the
Speaker 2: money to stay on this team and bring the team
Speaker 2: a trophy. So clearly I wasn't your real intentions. And hey,
Speaker 2: it's fine, like you want. You wanted to go for
Speaker 2: the money. It is what it is. Like even if
Speaker 2: he stayed for the money that was being offered to him,
Speaker 2: promas doesn't guarantee a championship. But you know, I just
Speaker 2: I just would have loved to see this hardened Paul
Speaker 2: George Kawhi trio just with a training camp, with the season,
Speaker 2: maybe some injury. Look, I just it would have been.
Speaker 2: It was just felt really good to see them for
Speaker 2: one more year. Just that stretch, that twenty six and
Speaker 2: five stretch during last season was one of my most
Speaker 2: fun times. Everyone's comber basketball. To this day. I have
Speaker 2: no idea what happened after the All Star break. It
Speaker 2: was a new different team. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: seen a team just flip the flip onto the off
Speaker 2: switch like that before. I was reading a bunch of
Speaker 2: Reddit posts as to what happened the other day, and
Speaker 2: I still can't really podpoint it. Maybe it was just
Speaker 2: cooling off, but that looked like something else. I don't
Speaker 2: know what your thoughts are on what happened there. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously Kawhi ended up getting hurt, but yeah, that was
Speaker 2: a crazy, crazy.
Speaker 1: Time part of me. I don't want to read too
Speaker 1: much into it, but Paul George kept making this comment
Speaker 1: after the season that whatever he does, and we know
Speaker 1: he signed with Philly, now it's not necessarily about chasing
Speaker 1: a championship anymore. It's about playing basketball the right way.
Speaker 1: And of course, as Philly press conference, he said that
Speaker 1: was taken out of context. It was not taken out
Speaker 1: of context. But unless you said just kidding afterwards, there's
Speaker 1: no way I could have been taking that out of context.
Speaker 1: But it seemed like shots maybe at James Harden and
Speaker 1: he didn't like his role playing off ball, even though
Speaker 1: he was uber efficient at it and it was a
Speaker 1: great fit for him, and the twenty six and five
Speaker 1: run was incredible. And by the way, Lawrence Frank said
Speaker 1: in that Team USA presser regarding Kawhi Leonard that they
Speaker 1: had already up the offers without agents even asking, after
Speaker 1: they saw the team click in with James Harden like
Speaker 1: that and play at that high of a level. So
Speaker 1: it all depends who you want to believe here. I'm
Speaker 1: inclined to believe the Clippers in this case because Paul
Speaker 1: George already misrepresented immediately the contract situation when he acted
Speaker 1: like they only offered him sixty million when that was
Speaker 1: going to be added on to the fifty million, which
Speaker 1: means one to ten. But I wonder if there was
Speaker 1: some conflict between him and James and clashing of styles
Speaker 1: and playing styles and James having the ball in his
Speaker 1: hands a lot more. Maybe this was one of those
Speaker 1: moments where Paul George wanted to.
Speaker 2: Be more ball.
Speaker 1: I also wonder if they felt like they did enough
Speaker 1: to prove that, Okay, we can be elite. We finished
Speaker 1: top four, we're fine. Just stay healthy and we're good.
Speaker 1: So if we play like a five hundred team for
Speaker 1: a month and a half, we're all right with that.
Speaker 1: Or if it's just natural because they gased themselves out
Speaker 1: a little bit going that hard to maybe prove what
Speaker 1: they could be at the top end or at their ceiling,
Speaker 1: and they're an older team, and you had a Daviatza
Speaker 1: Zubo's injury which hurt them around that time as he
Speaker 1: was really starting to get it going with James Harden.
Speaker 1: As you mentioned earlier, that two man game was so good.
Speaker 1: I think Zoo was averaging like thirteen to ten for
Speaker 1: about a month and a half before the calf injury.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, it's always a confluence of things,
Speaker 1: but it is kind of a mystery how it went
Speaker 1: that sour. You start to speculate about locker room stuff,
Speaker 1: and then things that Paul George said. It led me
Speaker 1: to believe maybe there was something going on with him
Speaker 1: and James Harden because he was like he was basically say,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, James is a great player and
Speaker 1: stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and he joins Philly too, and I
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, obviously James didn't have the best
Speaker 2: experience towards the end, and that ended pretty pretty much
Speaker 2: an ugly way.
Speaker 1: So like Paul George is acting almost like how James
Speaker 1: did with what happened with him and Darryl Morey, and
Speaker 1: I there's nothing that says the Clippers told him one
Speaker 1: thing and then did another. He hasn't said that, he
Speaker 1: never said that that's where backstabbing would be appropriate to use.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like that ever happened. So I
Speaker 1: don't get why they're still just harping on this with
Speaker 1: the Clippers. Obviously, he's hurt and maybe he wanted to
Speaker 1: be a Clipper and stay here, But if it was
Speaker 1: only under his terms of getting two hundred million dollars,
Speaker 1: then that's fine if he wants to leave, But it's
Speaker 1: also fine if the Clippers don't want to pay him
Speaker 1: that much at this point, because even like you said,
Speaker 1: it was tantalizing that six and five run, and it
Speaker 1: would be great to see a full training camp with
Speaker 1: these guys, but it turns into another what if story
Speaker 1: with this team, I guess, with this era of Clippers basketball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and who knows, you know, one injury and
Speaker 2: then you know, there it is next season. So yeah, look,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I know I don't
Speaker 2: necessarily fully blame him for leaving. I just feel like, no,
Speaker 2: it just it felt really icky. It just felt icky,
Speaker 2: It really did with all the comments, and you know,
Speaker 2: he promised to bring a Trophy and now he wants
Speaker 2: to rich he says all that. I mean he said
Speaker 2: that with like every team now too, which is pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: And yeah, just yeah, yeah. Look, he's gonna be missed,
Speaker 2: no doubt about it. He's gonna be missed. But I look,
Speaker 2: I think it could still be an exciting year for
Speaker 2: Clipper basketball. I think, I mean, I might have to
Speaker 2: see Kevin Bourdon junior. I've always been a fan of
Speaker 2: him on the court with his game, and he's had
Speaker 2: some crazy games, So I mean, I think I think
Speaker 2: it was still a good addition, like taking a flyer
Speaker 2: on Kevin Boord junior, because if he shows out, he
Speaker 2: can get buckets. I mean, he can getting fifty on
Speaker 2: Drew Holiday, Like the guy can score. So you know that.
Speaker 2: You know, Derrick Jones junior, Chris Dunn. I think losing
Speaker 2: Westbrook is also a big loss for the regular season.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair. But yeah, they brought in Chris Dunn.
Speaker 1: I love that move. I love that move, and they
Speaker 1: still technically have bones at the moment. I know, it
Speaker 1: sounds like he's TJ. Tucker have a foot out the door.
Speaker 1: If there's a right deal, they'll strike it. But I
Speaker 1: like this defensive identity. They're kind of billying.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, total.
Speaker 1: It feels like, for the first time in a while,
Speaker 1: there's a real identity outside of just stars and a
Speaker 1: lot of talent.
Speaker 2: And who can also forget about the Batomb battalion being
Speaker 2: back like the best move of the off season. Who
Speaker 2: needs anyone else other than come on.
Speaker 1: That's that's what we need. Well we need Lily Batoomb
Speaker 1: as well on Twitter and showing love to the fans,
Speaker 1: no doubt. Get the Batum family is just I say
Speaker 1: it a lot royalty, Clippers royalty. Not many players in
Speaker 1: NBA history had just three seasons as a role player
Speaker 1: have made the act Nicholas Batoumaz with this organization and
Speaker 1: this fan bim Yeah, I love them, we love them.
Speaker 1: So I am looking forward to this season and I
Speaker 1: just I would love to put a button or a
Speaker 1: bow or shut the door on the Paul George situation
Speaker 1: and not have to talk about it again until he
Speaker 1: returns on November six, that game against Philly. I just
Speaker 1: don't know if he's done talking about it yet. I
Speaker 1: understand he has a podcast, he has time to fill,
Speaker 1: but I don't see how it serves him well to
Speaker 1: call them the B team when it seems like he's
Speaker 1: trying to get Clipper Nation on his side and me
Speaker 1: like it was me vers the organization. They didn't do
Speaker 1: me right. I don't think it's working. I think now
Speaker 1: there's like a ninety percent boo coming for him and
Speaker 1: into a dome. What do you think about that? And
Speaker 1: just how fans are going to react to his return.
Speaker 2: I agree, there's gonna be booze. Oh, I'll be one
Speaker 2: of them. There will be an immense amount of booze
Speaker 2: for sure. Really get the tribute video at him. I
Speaker 2: think I think he's gonna get the tribute video. I think, look,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, he's gonna get the Tribune. No, there'll
Speaker 2: be a fun applause, but then it's gonna be booze
Speaker 2: for sure. And you know, like I think his dad
Speaker 2: also said out at least he was available. He was
Speaker 2: more available than Kawi. I wouldn't say he was the
Speaker 2: most available star in the league, for sure.
Speaker 1: He still has he missed one hundred and thirty games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well I missed about one hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to don't want to go rolling with
Speaker 2: that as a huge argument but look, look it was
Speaker 2: a funny air of Clifford basketball. Two point three. I
Speaker 2: think will definitely always be remembered. I think it'll be
Speaker 2: remembered in the same breath as Lop City, maybe even
Speaker 2: better than Mop City. Like I think it was progress,
Speaker 2: like it was definitely was definitely definitely progress, like a
Speaker 2: good you know, Steve Balmer's first real era Clers basketball
Speaker 2: he created. Pretty great job, pretty good job. You know.
Speaker 1: Have you been speaking of Steve Baumber doing a great job.
Speaker 1: Have you been into a doom?
Speaker 2: I have been to it.
Speaker 1: Is it real and spectacular like everyone says.
Speaker 2: So I went about a week ago last Sunday and
Speaker 2: the court wasn't up. The court wasn't up, But same
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: It was Bruno Mars.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yeah, and it was spectacular. I got to
Speaker 2: actually play basketball in the basketball gym next to the
Speaker 2: real basketball court for the Clippers right court B yeah,
Speaker 2: Cord B. And that was the craziest experience. And it's
Speaker 2: just beautiful inside and out, and like it almost doesn't
Speaker 2: even feel like an are readA like it just like
Speaker 2: it feels like a home, like you're just going into
Speaker 2: someone's home. It's just so simple you just you just park.
Speaker 2: You just you just walk a little and you're just
Speaker 2: in there, like crypto, you gotta you park, you walk
Speaker 2: the mile and you wait in the line. You get
Speaker 2: like it's just like you just you just stumble your
Speaker 2: way in and you're you're at the game. It feels
Speaker 2: like it was so cool and it's just so one
Speaker 2: of a kind, and like that Halo board looks fantastic,
Speaker 2: and like the seats are so cool. It's just he
Speaker 2: Steve Bombers figured out the most ideal way to watch
Speaker 2: a basketball game with this new arena.
Speaker 1: Well said, I like that we'll not have to end
Speaker 1: on that. That's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: Where can everyone find you? What's your next game for Espen?
Speaker 1: I mean, let everybody know they can.
Speaker 2: Find me at Jack clips la on Twitter and Jack
Speaker 2: dot Coglin c O G H L A N on Instagram.
Speaker 2: And next game is to be determined right now, but
Speaker 2: I will keep everyone posted. And yeah, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for having me on. This has been so awesome.
Speaker 2: I'm always down to talk Clippers basketball. Like it went
Speaker 2: for fifty minutes, like that's nothing, that's just that's another
Speaker 2: another Clipper talk.
Speaker 1: Simple we're scratching the surface. Yea, hopefully not in the
Speaker 1: Paul George situation. I'd love to.
Speaker 2: Put this to an end. I can meet you at
Speaker 2: the Dome this year.
Speaker 1: Let's go man, and uh, we'll do this again when
Speaker 1: games start up. I'd love to have you back here
Speaker 1: on Clippers Talk. Still to come later this week. Paul
Speaker 1: Sheer coming up on Wednesday. Get to me in the
Speaker 1: comment section. If you have questions for Paul, I'll filter
Speaker 1: through them and see what works what doesn't, and love
Speaker 1: him his way. But I appreciate everyone for listening. Obviously.
Speaker 1: I know it's been a downtime in basketball, but we've
Speaker 1: still had so much content over the last month months.
Speaker 2: This off season. What do you what do you like
Speaker 2: to do during the off season? Adam? What's what's Yeah?
Speaker 2: What's what's your favorite part of the off season? Favorite
Speaker 2: thing you'd like to do? What do you watch? What
Speaker 2: do you get out there to do?
Speaker 1: All right? All right, I forgot you are the reporter.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 1: If you've got questions to me, we can reverse this
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Friday.
Speaker 1: It ain't Friday, but this is in your wheelhouse, please, Okay.
Speaker 1: So I love to go home to NorCal. I love
Speaker 1: to visit with friends and family there Sacramento area, Granite Bay, Loomis, Roseville, Rockland.
Speaker 1: I always go home a couple of times, have some
Speaker 1: nice visits. I've also gone to Tennessee to visit some friends.
Speaker 1: I was on a road trip with my buddy in
Speaker 1: this band photo Ops, who was opening up for Camera Obscura,
Speaker 1: which some people might say is an obscure type of
Speaker 1: indie rock band, but they're pretty big. They're from Ireland, Scotland,
Speaker 1: and I went with them for a leg of the
Speaker 1: tour and I drove from LA all the way to Boston,
Speaker 1: so three thousand miles cross country trip. Along the way
Speaker 1: we went to Colorado, we were in Utah, Indiana, Kansas, Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: so we were there before Paul George.
Speaker 2: Was get did you get any any comments or any
Speaker 2: Clipper gear?
Speaker 1: Uh? I think I saw somebody else wearing some Clippers
Speaker 1: gear and I was like, right on, man, yeah, real
Speaker 1: team in LA, that type of thing. So I was
Speaker 1: showing off my Clippers support. So I did that this summer,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I just stay up late watching
Speaker 1: stupid stuff on Netflix and commenting on it, usually on
Speaker 1: an Instagram post at follow out of a Clippers talker.
Speaker 1: I think clippers talk at follow out of me. I forget,
Speaker 1: it's just search clippers talk on Instagram. Last night I
Speaker 1: was riffing on this awful show on Netflix. It's a
Speaker 1: Spanish show and subtitles. That's not a problem. I watched
Speaker 1: a lot of international foreign film stuff. I like to
Speaker 1: think of myself as a pseudo film critic. But it's
Speaker 1: called the accident. Let me tell you about the accident.
Speaker 1: It was an accident. This thing was made because the
Speaker 1: entire premise Jack is about a bounce house with like
Speaker 1: ten kids in it, going up in the air like
Speaker 1: a hot air balloon. After augusta wind goes by, and
Speaker 1: it's this whole tragedy thing based upon a bounce house
Speaker 1: flying away like I like it was Dorothy's House and
Speaker 1: Wizard of Oz, Like I didn't know a bounce house
Speaker 1: could turn into a hot air balloon that easily. So
Speaker 1: it seems really meldramatic and over the top and like
Speaker 1: real manufacture drama, and it is. It's bad, but so
Speaker 1: so bad, it's good type of stuff. Okay, That's that's
Speaker 1: what I've been at that and trying to get a
Speaker 1: ten percent body fat right now, which has been a
Speaker 1: challenge over the weekend. I ate very poorly as it
Speaker 1: is a holiday weekend, and so yesterday I ended up
Speaker 1: running on a treadmill speed of twelve no incline, easy
Speaker 1: on the knees. But I did a half marathon thirteen
Speaker 1: point one miles just on a treadmill. No big deal.
Speaker 1: I'm not special. Just to cut down after eating all
Speaker 1: those calories because I have a goal to get the
Speaker 1: ten percent body fat before the Clipper season starts. So
Speaker 1: I got a little over a month and a half
Speaker 1: now and I will get there. Why do I have
Speaker 1: this goal? Kawhi shredded. I want to feel better about
Speaker 1: myself too, That's all.
Speaker 2: I love it. I see the progress on Twitter. You
Speaker 2: know it's going well. It seems like it's going well.
Speaker 2: I also I love the new Clippers radio play by
Speaker 2: play guy Carlos de Menez. I think he does a
Speaker 2: great job of the play by blasting you guys, you know,
Speaker 2: in the booth. And he seems like a great personality
Speaker 2: at like his reels too. You're sponsor to me on Instagram,
Speaker 2: like what's he like? What do you you know?
Speaker 1: Carlo Jimenez is him? He's great, He's fantastic. I had
Speaker 1: some feelings of trepidation losing Noah Eagle, who I would
Speaker 1: call the young goat appropriately. So everybody has found out
Speaker 1: now after what he's USA for the Olympics on NBC
Speaker 1: and now being Big ten Saturday Night is back. He
Speaker 1: is just an incredible, incredible talent, and so I was like, gee,
Speaker 1: who would have to follow that up? Big shoes to fill,
Speaker 1: and Carlow has just been spectacular. It's been a seamless transition.
Speaker 1: I love the guy. I couldn't be happier getting to
Speaker 1: work with him, and I think he might be coming
Speaker 1: on the show later this week, but hello, please, I'll
Speaker 1: tell him what's up. He's probably gonna be watching this.
Speaker 1: He's he's built like that. He watches everything. He listens
Speaker 1: to a lot of the Clippers podcast out there. He's
Speaker 1: constantly taking in information like he is a grinder, a
Speaker 1: hard worker. When you combine that with the talent, you
Speaker 1: got something special.
Speaker 2: And he has buddies. I did not expect him to
Speaker 2: be able to be getting up like that on his
Speaker 2: last instrument video where he's dunking. Did not expect that.
Speaker 2: Very pleasantly shocked. I would love to play with him
Speaker 2: at courtb.
Speaker 1: If you rewinded a couple of times to see a
Speaker 1: editing or anything like I think volleyball in high school
Speaker 1: or basketball, Like he's like that, he's got hops, he's
Speaker 1: like freaking strom Miles Swift out there or something like.
Speaker 2: And nylon is becoming a household saying by now and
Speaker 2: that is such a great call, like amazing, like in TikTok.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got his TikTok content. He's doing well
Speaker 2: with Like random people are coming up to me saying
Speaker 2: nylon now, like when I'm playing, which is really cool.
Speaker 2: That aren't even Clipper fans. So he's making into the
Speaker 2: national audience. And back to like what you were asking
Speaker 2: earlier about inspirations, I just got to bring it back
Speaker 2: to Ralph. Like growing up listening to Ralph Lawler, my
Speaker 2: dad and I still say the lallerisms all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, fasten your seatbelt, folks were going down to
Speaker 2: the wire, you know, the the jam. I will say
Speaker 2: that to this day. That made Clippers basketball and Lop
Speaker 2: city again zillion times better. And I met him one
Speaker 2: time at the game and I got a selfie with him.
Speaker 2: He was like, oh selfie time and I got to
Speaker 2: interview him from my podcast when I was doing it,
Speaker 2: and he was great to interview and it was like
Speaker 2: just a cool full circle dream come true. But yeah, Ralph,
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this, we all miss you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a Clipper go for sure.
Speaker 1: I feel like you just threw me a lob because
Speaker 1: I can tell Ralph that in person. I'll tease this
Speaker 1: out now. I'm going up north to Oregon for a
Speaker 1: sit down about two weeks. I'm gonna go and hang
Speaker 1: out with him and have a big hour long special
Speaker 1: here on Clipper Stop with Ralph Lawler.
Speaker 2: So if you need any help with that, I went
Speaker 2: to school there to play basketball for a time. I
Speaker 2: would absolutely go.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see what happens. Uh, I'm slated for
Speaker 1: I don't know it's two weekends from now or something
Speaker 1: like that, but yeah, I just everybody keeps talking about
Speaker 1: missing Ralph, and I've been thinking about him a lot too,
Speaker 1: And with his best friend and Bill Walton passing this year,
Speaker 1: I wanted to connect with Ralph, talk with him, get
Speaker 1: his thoughts on this Clippers era by the way, ending
Speaker 1: with two and three air and all that. So I'm
Speaker 1: excited for this is the first time I brought it
Speaker 1: up here on the show, so I thought it would
Speaker 1: be appropriate he brought him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I also thought him and Mike Smith
Speaker 2: were a great duo. I heard, you know, Mike Smith
Speaker 2: in the organization they had some type of things happening.
Speaker 1: And I don't know about these things, Jack, we don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really know either. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just it's just the word word on the street.
Speaker 2: But I mean I thought they had a good chemistry
Speaker 2: when they were on the call together. But yeah, Ralph,
Speaker 2: Ralph is great. Love Ralph, you know, always great. I
Speaker 2: always like his take on Twitter, like I always like
Speaker 2: hearing his like, you know, I mean, he's been there.
Speaker 2: He's the real longest tenure Clipper out of anyone. He's
Speaker 2: the greatest Clipper of all time, say the least, so
Speaker 2: hearing his take. I mean, he's watched so much basketball,
Speaker 2: so many Clipper games, seen so many different staff members, players, coaches, fans.
Speaker 2: Like that guy. You want to know about the Clippers,
Speaker 2: you go to that guy.
Speaker 1: He knows the NBA so well and the history of
Speaker 1: the game so well. When I find interesting when I
Speaker 1: talked to him, I think it was one of the
Speaker 1: shows in twenty eighteen on the air. He said at
Speaker 1: that time that he believed Lebron was the greatest player
Speaker 1: he had ever seen.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people in the older generation they
Speaker 1: hold on to their favorites or a certain era, and
Speaker 1: Ralph has always adapted with the game, has never done
Speaker 1: that and has been very objected with it. And I
Speaker 1: want to press him on this and see where he's
Speaker 1: at with that conversation as well. So we'll talk mostly clippers,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's not like there isn't a goat
Speaker 1: conversation happening every day on X.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, totally, totally, So do you do you call
Speaker 2: it X? Are you? Are you an ex user?
Speaker 1: I still I always think about what people want me
Speaker 1: to call it. What makes it easier to convey what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here. So I still like to lean
Speaker 1: on Twitter because it's easier to say tweets. I think
Speaker 1: even Elon Musk was asked about this and he had
Speaker 1: a really hard time with so what is it when
Speaker 1: somebody puts something out and it's called X because it
Speaker 1: used to be called tweets? He was like, posts, Uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't sound the same but the same. So maybe
Speaker 1: I'm holding on to an era right now, and it's
Speaker 1: the old Twitter era and I'd like to grandfather it
Speaker 1: in and keep it that way, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mix it up. I call it X and Twitter
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what do you think of the rebrand? Do
Speaker 2: you like the colors? Do you like the jerseys, the merch?
Speaker 2: I see you wearing the hat logo.
Speaker 1: This is the new dad hat. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it can still be called a dad hat if I
Speaker 1: have the hologram on the bottom because I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be cool. But uh, I love this is I think
Speaker 1: the old A logo they call it, and this lettering
Speaker 1: is fire. I love this La font. I am a
Speaker 1: big fan. And while I think some people it took
Speaker 1: some time to warm up to it, the new logo, Yes,
Speaker 1: there was a lot going on at first. I think
Speaker 1: it's already aging really well, and I think it's already
Speaker 1: the best logo that they've had, all the alternates in
Speaker 1: the jerseys, I haven't heard anyone complain about that stuff.
Speaker 1: The jersey's going to the old cursor script. They are beautiful.
Speaker 1: And when the red ones go on sale, that is
Speaker 1: going to be fired. That is gonna be a hot ticket. Like,
Speaker 1: I think they nailed it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I totally agree, greatest logo of all time. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I'm there yet.
Speaker 1: A favorite Clippers logo, my favorite Clippers lego.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know if I'm there yet with
Speaker 2: the favorite Clippers logo. I think that lob City logo,
Speaker 2: like the first one, it's still like super cool to me.
Speaker 2: But I might get there. I might. I might go
Speaker 2: over to your side, but yeah, I just think way
Speaker 2: better than the old logo, No questions asked. Love the colors,
Speaker 2: love the dark blue, love the red. I like the
Speaker 2: logo a whole lot. And it just doesn't look like
Speaker 2: any other NBA logo. It just is like one of
Speaker 2: a kind. It's just like it's just beautiful. It's just
Speaker 2: very like it's a classy. And you know what, Adam,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it, it is demure. I I had to.
Speaker 1: I just I like a logo like I can see
Speaker 1: how it's going to age gracefully. It's almost ahead of
Speaker 1: his time in some ways. There's a lot it's a compass. Uh.
Speaker 1: The the letter N in what Los Angeles is pointing
Speaker 1: north at the top, Like they put a lot of
Speaker 1: thought into this thing. There's a lot of history there
Speaker 1: because for so long people are asking, like, what's a Clipper?
Speaker 1: What is a Yeah, well it's right there in front
Speaker 1: of you. Now you don't have to worry about that anymore.
Speaker 1: So I I couldn't be more impressed. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: with the jerseys. And I was somebody who for a
Speaker 1: while I wanted the San Andreas jerseys the San Andreas
Speaker 1: pomp by mister cartoon. I wanted the black and white
Speaker 1: to be their official home and road. But I get
Speaker 1: the fact that you're losing some of the history then
Speaker 1: with Clippers colors, and you're looking too much like San Antonio.
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't mind it being an alternate here and there.
Speaker 1: But I like in the end they made the right
Speaker 1: decision with the red, with the blue, with the white jerseys.
Speaker 1: This is going to be exactly. I think it serves
Speaker 1: the majority of the fan base and what they were
Speaker 1: looking for.
Speaker 2: I completely agree, and I totally agree with. I love
Speaker 2: the font as well, and like just when it says
Speaker 2: Clippers too with the blue cursor right, like that is
Speaker 2: so sick. I love that so much, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you nail it on the head. So if you can
Speaker 2: bring back one Clipper jersey, what would it be? Would
Speaker 2: it be that white and black like that twenty twenty
Speaker 2: white and black. I love that one when Kawhi PG
Speaker 2: first joined that first year. I also love the light
Speaker 2: blue with the orange that was a couple of years back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love. I'm a personally a fan too of the
Speaker 2: light blue sleeve ones that Chris Paul and Blake ever
Speaker 2: would wear, like those those ones, those three, you know,
Speaker 2: those would be my three.
Speaker 1: I'm just glad I don't have to say I bring
Speaker 1: back the red ones because they're doing it. It's done.
Speaker 2: Or the blue. Maybe they can even bring back the
Speaker 2: blue from the Lob City days because that was a
Speaker 2: special colored blue and it looks different than the current ones,
Speaker 2: so they could bring that back. I think I like
Speaker 2: those are hard. I wear those in two K all
Speaker 2: the time when I use the Clippers.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I like the light blue. I think it
Speaker 1: was omage, not just as the San Diego Clippers, but
Speaker 1: there were some Buffalo Braves stuff maybe in there too.
Speaker 1: I know there were official Buffalo Braves jerseys that they
Speaker 1: wore throwbacks but the light blue from a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. San Diego ones were nice, and the San
Speaker 1: Andreas it was what's the one they wore on the
Speaker 1: cover of Sports Illustrated that said Reinvention where Paul where Paul,
Speaker 1: George and Kawhi were in the front, and then I
Speaker 1: think you had Lou Williams, Pat Bev and Montrez Harrell
Speaker 1: behind them. And I think Kawhi was holding the ball
Speaker 1: out like this because he can comment better hurt anybody.
Speaker 1: I think those were those the black or the white ones,
Speaker 1: San Andres ones, whichever those were, those.
Speaker 2: Were the white because if it was Lou will that'd
Speaker 2: be that. I believe that. Well he said that sounds.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I'd still have those. I was happy
Speaker 1: to see that they're not fully out on the mister
Speaker 1: cartoons San Andreas because if you saw the arena, one
Speaker 1: of the areas where they had all the high school jerseys,
Speaker 1: a bunch of them were around a San Andreas Clippers.
Speaker 1: I don't can't remember it was a big jersey or
Speaker 1: if it was a big banner, but it's not, you know,
Speaker 1: being redacted or anything like that. I think it could
Speaker 1: make an appearance again. So I'm happy about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like they're always bringing new ones
Speaker 2: out every year, and I think they always they always
Speaker 2: have some cool creative jersey that they're bringing out, Like,
Speaker 2: I think, just keep bringing these cool new ones too. Well,
Speaker 2: what do you think of those great ones that just
Speaker 2: came out of nowhere? Remember those great ones?
Speaker 1: Next question?
Speaker 2: Some people die by those ones and fell in love
Speaker 2: with them.
Speaker 1: There's there was always gonna be something like as long
Speaker 1: as some fans were happy with it. Like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they'll make an appearance soon, who knows, But
Speaker 1: you know, there's different structure for different folks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't in love with them because I think part
Speaker 1: of it was disappointing because people thought this is it,
Speaker 1: the Red are coming back, and then it was a
Speaker 1: great one.
Speaker 2: It was like true, true.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a letdown because of that.
Speaker 1: But I don't hate any of them really. There's there's
Speaker 1: not too many that I would say are bad or
Speaker 1: god awful anything else. You douge good work, You've done,
Speaker 1: good work. Impromptu Uh Jack the reporter here handling business
Speaker 1: on clippers talk, making my job even easier here throwing
Speaker 1: the questions my way, so I like I like the
Speaker 1: role role reversal a little bit.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He is at jack clips La on Twitter. I've had
Speaker 1: following out of me there at clippers Talk on where
Speaker 1: am I there? TikTok YouTube and then on the gram
Speaker 1: it's at clippers Talk follow out of May That's where
Speaker 1: you can get to me. Paul Sheer will be our
Speaker 1: next interview coming up on Wednesday. This has been a
Speaker 1: lot of fun for Jack Cogan. I got that right, right, Coughlin, Coughlin, Coughlin.
Speaker 1: It had been so long since I said it. It
Speaker 1: started this interview. The struggle is real. It's getting late.
Speaker 1: It's labor day, man. What do you expect from me?
Speaker 1: I'm still doing shows here, give me a break. Or
Speaker 1: Jack Coughlin, I'm out of Mosland. This has been another
Speaker 1: edition of Clipper Stock.