Speaker 1: It seems to be a big foot leaning against a
Speaker 1: tree in a wooded area.
Speaker 2: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 2: not bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Tree mines and brush.
Speaker 2: You see's about a seven and seven and a half
Speaker 2: foot tall sasquatch looking back at it, and.
Speaker 3: It kind of looks like a wolf, but not like
Speaker 3: a neighborhood dog. Pick these stories for what they are
Speaker 3: in hopes.
Speaker 4: That maybe, like, if it's out there, then show me yeah,
Speaker 4: and says he might have caught the mythical chup of
Speaker 4: cobra creature terrorizing his chickens.
Speaker 3: Like a grunt and a knock.
Speaker 2: It's like a oh. I think there's kind of a
Speaker 2: cultural tendency for people to want to make Bigfoot a
Speaker 2: quote unquote monster. Welcome to ECBRO Bigfoot Radio, and ladies
Speaker 2: and gentlemen, I'm your host, Daniel than While. Here we
Speaker 2: are back with another episode into the twenty twenty five year,
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Speaker 3: We're going to get into that very shortly, but I.
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Speaker 2: all the Facebook pages. Meanwhile, I'm not going to blab
Speaker 2: and talk too much further. I want to introduce to
Speaker 2: you mister John Stasco. He's with us tonight and I said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, he's got some big Foot stories, he's got
Speaker 2: some UFO stories, and we we will be getting into
Speaker 2: talking about some drones.
Speaker 3: You guys know about the stories and all the video
Speaker 3: clips on social.
Speaker 2: Media and all the talks about the drones you know
Speaker 2: that's been going on. We're going to get into a
Speaker 2: discussion on that. But before we get into that, first
Speaker 2: of all, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: John.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you on here. This is actually
Speaker 2: the second time I was looking back on the last
Speaker 2: time I had you on here, which trox to me
Speaker 2: about maybe one year ago. So again, I'm glad to
Speaker 2: have you back because it's never a dull.
Speaker 3: Discussion with you. I really love our discussions. But yeah,
Speaker 3: how are you doing.
Speaker 1: John, I'm doing pretty good, like I said, just trying
Speaker 1: to get ready for this big weather we're going to
Speaker 1: have come in here. I guess we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: another ice age, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, from what they're calling.
Speaker 2: Absolutely Yeah, Like I said, nothing going on here in my.
Speaker 1: Well. Yesterday I was I was taking my granddaughter's small
Speaker 1: car to get four tires put on it, and they
Speaker 1: had a rush of people going to get tires put
Speaker 1: on their car because of this. And of course today
Speaker 1: I went to a Walmart to get a bunch of
Speaker 1: food and stuff for the family and everything, and everybody's
Speaker 1: acting like it's going to be the end of the world,
Speaker 1: so they're just buying everything. I mean, it's a madhouse.
Speaker 1: But like I said, this is Western Pa. We get
Speaker 1: snow like this. I mean, we had that worse than
Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety four, and then back in seventy nine
Speaker 1: we had a pretty good too, So this is nothing
Speaker 1: for me. I really don't care. I don't.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean I know what happens up north.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm I'm originally from up north too, but
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up at a young age down
Speaker 2: here in Virginia and the winner's down here. They've been
Speaker 2: pretty mild on the most part. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 2: some good snow down here, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 2: it's a hit.
Speaker 3: Or miss, you know. But I ever since I lived
Speaker 3: in the Shanando.
Speaker 2: Valley, you know out here, a little bit higher elevation,
Speaker 2: you're more out in the mountains. So yeah, things are
Speaker 2: tend to happen a little bit more out this way,
Speaker 2: in the western part of the state. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: I totally get that. Uh, people panic, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if a lot of
Speaker 2: understand it, but you know, I guess in a sense,
Speaker 2: there's all these better to be stationed, sorry, to be prepared,
Speaker 2: but they shouldn't.
Speaker 3: Be freaking out.
Speaker 2: They should, you know, get things, you know, start working
Speaker 2: on collecting things, not wiping out the shelves all at once.
Speaker 1: Exactly, so you don't mind. I wanted to tell you
Speaker 1: something that happened fairly recently. Uh you know, I've I've
Speaker 1: seen Bigfoot a number of times with witness all with
Speaker 1: multiple witnesses. So it's not just me saying it or whatever.
Speaker 1: But what was really strange. Let me take the last
Speaker 1: one first. About a month ago, I take them not
Speaker 1: even quite a month ago. I took my great grandson
Speaker 1: Eli up to Washington Park to ride his bike. And
Speaker 1: there's really nobody else in the park at the time.
Speaker 1: It was a sunny day, and I go up there.
Speaker 1: There's this big round circle about five hundred feet in
Speaker 1: diameter and was up paved. So he was learning to
Speaker 1: ride his bike. So I showed him how to ride
Speaker 1: the bike and stuff, and then I sat there and
Speaker 1: watched him go around it and around it and around it.
Speaker 1: So he come up to me the last time says, look,
Speaker 1: papap over there. So I looked over and I thought
Speaker 1: somebody was sitting behind a tree about fifty yards or
Speaker 1: so away, and I'm looking at whatever it was sitting
Speaker 1: behind the tree was wider than the tree, like the
Speaker 1: trunk of the tree. But it kept looking from the
Speaker 1: side to the side like this and look at me.
Speaker 1: So my next thoughts was it's probably a hunter or somebody.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it was black in color from
Speaker 1: that distance. Now I didn't have my SUV was about
Speaker 1: one hundred feet away, and my been officers were in there.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching this thing. It's about that time my
Speaker 1: wife calls me on my phone. She asked me how
Speaker 1: things are going with Eli's it's great, and I told
Speaker 1: her what we're looking at Because Eli saw it first.
Speaker 1: He's nine years old or so, I'm sorry, seven years old.
Speaker 1: So she said, John, why do you go to the
Speaker 1: car and get an octars? I said, okay, So I
Speaker 1: got up and walking. As I'm walking, I'm looking. I
Speaker 1: took about ten steps. As I'm walking looking what I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: this thing stood up. Wasn't a bear, about seven and
Speaker 1: a half maybe eight feet tall to the most black,
Speaker 1: wider than the tree. It turned and walked to my
Speaker 1: left like a man, and disappeared into the woods. Well,
Speaker 1: my wife was still on the phone with me. She
Speaker 1: got a little nervous, so she said, why don't you, you know,
Speaker 1: watch out for Eli. Get him out of there. I says, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: Otherwise I went right over. So I go back and
Speaker 1: took him back to the car and stuff, and that's
Speaker 1: all we talked about. The next day it rained, so
Speaker 1: there's nothing there I could see except there's a flat
Speaker 1: area wherever where it was was sitting on the ground.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what that was. I can tell
Speaker 1: you pretty much categorically it was not a bear, because
Speaker 1: I mean, bears can walk on her hind legs, of course,
Speaker 1: but not like a man. You know, their legs are
Speaker 1: shorter in the back they get up. This had long legs,
Speaker 1: stood up about seven And I'll tell you something else.
Speaker 1: When I did walk over there the next day, there
Speaker 1: was a limb of the tree maybe seven feet off,
Speaker 1: almost seven feet off off the ground. Its head was
Speaker 1: above that, maybe four or five inches, so it was
Speaker 1: pretty tall. Now to my knowledge, there's no black bears
Speaker 1: that fall in this area whatsoever over seven and a
Speaker 1: half feet tall. So I'm not sure what it was,
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to say it was
Speaker 1: a big foot because you know, unless I have proof,
Speaker 1: because that's the kind of guy I am. I want
Speaker 1: more definitive proof. Anybody could see something in the woods,
Speaker 1: and you know they can misidentify whatever. You know yourself, Dan,
Speaker 1: you go out in the woods, people can see a
Speaker 1: coyote and think it's a wolf, or they can see
Speaker 1: a dog and think it's a coyote. That's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. People. You have a tendency to try
Speaker 1: to put some kind of familiarity into the things they see,
Speaker 1: or if they don't understand what they're saying, make up anyhow.
Speaker 1: So let me let me go digress. Uh, most of
Speaker 1: my life in the investigative field for paranormal paranormal occurrences.
Speaker 1: The early part of it had to do with UFOs
Speaker 1: and aliens and that type of thing. But back in
Speaker 1: ninety one, my director at the time I belonged to
Speaker 1: her group up in Westmoreland County. They knew I took
Speaker 1: any kind of case. So he calls me and says, John,
Speaker 1: He says, we have a bigfoot reported case in McMurray, PA. Now, McMurray,
Speaker 1: PA is maybe twelve miles from Pittsburgh, which is a
Speaker 1: very urban area. I mean even now, so it's even
Speaker 1: more so. So. My co investigatator and I went down
Speaker 1: and we were on a case for about a year.
Speaker 1: But we had some things happening in the meantime when
Speaker 1: we were down there. Devon, who is bigger than I am.
Speaker 1: I'm six foot four. Devon's sixty six and a half
Speaker 1: six hundred and sixty pounds. He's a nuclear engineer. At
Speaker 1: the time, I was an environmental site supervisor for an
Speaker 1: environmental company called Etimo out of Cannonsburg. Anyhow, so he's
Speaker 1: having boulders thrown at him and he says John, And
Speaker 1: we had FM headsets by the way, so he said, John,
Speaker 1: it's coming your way. So what I did. I shimmied
Speaker 1: up a tree and I waited. This is broad daylight,
Speaker 1: so I'm about twenty five feet up in this tree.
Speaker 1: I don't climb trees anymore. I'm too old for that.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, I looked down. I heard rustling down below,
Speaker 1: and I looked down and I got some pictures of
Speaker 1: these things. There's two sets of green eyes looking back
Speaker 1: up at So what do you think I did. Well?
Speaker 1: I shommed down the tree as fast as I could,
Speaker 1: but by the time I got there, they were gone. Well,
Speaker 1: this went on and off. We had we kept hearing
Speaker 1: howling and noises and things of this nature. By almost
Speaker 1: a year into the investigation, we were going there every weekend,
Speaker 1: literally every weekend. Members of our group wanted to come down,
Speaker 1: but the family didn't want a lot of people on
Speaker 1: the property and stuff. But you know, we try to
Speaker 1: keep it down anyhow. I'm in the woods. This is
Speaker 1: nighttime now, and as I'm walking out of the woods,
Speaker 1: Devin and other people in that group i'm in and
Speaker 1: plus the family to live there. Who's now one of
Speaker 1: the guys is my one of my one of the
Speaker 1: guys I trained to be an investigator. He's really doing
Speaker 1: a great job. I'll tell you about him in a second.
Speaker 1: But we saw two juvenile bigfoot between six and seven
Speaker 1: feet tall, come and follow me out of the woods,
Speaker 1: two of them. Okay, multiple witnesses, thirteen people saw this. Okay,
Speaker 1: now that's about it. But I mean, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they were juvenile bigfoot. Okay, they weren't full size, they
Speaker 1: weren't fleshed out really you know, heavy, but they were there. Okay.
Speaker 1: About a week or so later, I get a call
Speaker 1: from Channel two News and they said, John, we've had
Speaker 1: we understand you the lead investigator for Washington, Green and
Speaker 1: Fayette Counties with this group. I mean, I says, yeah,
Speaker 1: I am. It was Mary rob Jackson from Channel and
Speaker 1: she said, would you mind if we come down and
Speaker 1: pick you up and take you to this site where
Speaker 1: the bigfoot tracks have been found. I said sure. Now
Speaker 1: I had gone to about twenty below zero with a
Speaker 1: windshield that night, so they came down and picked me up.
Speaker 1: Now it's a strange thing is because one of our
Speaker 1: dear friends, Ron Howes, lived down below this area, and
Speaker 1: I took you up there by the way and Ron
Speaker 1: to show you this area when you were down and
Speaker 1: visiting me the last time. But we go up and
Speaker 1: it's on a church. There's a church atop the hill,
Speaker 1: and it's there's houses up there now, but back then
Speaker 1: the only thing was up there was a church. We
Speaker 1: found two sets of tracks. Okay, Mary Rob, who's about
Speaker 1: five week tall, soaking wet, couldn't jump between the two
Speaker 1: sets of tracks. I couldn't either, and I'm six four, okay.
Speaker 1: But the first set of tracks was approximately twenty two
Speaker 1: inches long. The second set of tracks was almost eighteen
Speaker 1: inches long. But the strange part about this, there's several
Speaker 1: things about this. It's really weird. The smaller set of
Speaker 1: tracks on the right foot was heavier than the left foot.
Speaker 1: I think I mentioned this the last time I talked
Speaker 1: about this, and I have something called a soil compassion device.
Speaker 1: I can give you a pretty good estimate of what
Speaker 1: something weighs based on the depth of the imprint that leaves. Okay,
Speaker 1: what we estimated the weight of that creature on the
Speaker 1: right or the left foot was was about eight hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: but on the right foot about one thousand pounds, which
Speaker 1: indicated me with carrying something. Now we can speculate whether
Speaker 1: it was carrying a young one or a deer or whatever. Okay,
Speaker 1: but that's not even a strange part, although it's one
Speaker 1: of them. We follow those tracks to the edge of
Speaker 1: the hillside. Now, this town is called Creston Heights, which
Speaker 1: is above where Ron lives. Okay, we fall it to
Speaker 1: the edge of the hill where they can overlook the
Speaker 1: small town. It's a very small town, not very big
Speaker 1: at all, more of a patch than anything else. And
Speaker 1: they squatted down in the snow. You can clearly see
Speaker 1: their butt prints. To my day, to my knowledge, no
Speaker 1: one has ever gotten butt prints of a bigfoot, okay,
Speaker 1: but there were two of them there. So I'm looking
Speaker 1: for tracks further on, no sets of tracks. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck? So I'm looking at the tracks again
Speaker 1: and I had to look a little closer, and what
Speaker 1: I saw was whatever of these things are? They walk
Speaker 1: backwards into their tracks, into the heavy brush and the tracks.
Speaker 1: Of course you can't see them in heavy brush, a
Speaker 1: brush on the ground and studs, right, So that, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's they're an intelligent creature. I'm not gonna say an
Speaker 1: animal because I don't believe in animal. I don't believe that.
Speaker 1: I know I'm when I have people on here, they're
Speaker 1: gonna disagree with me, and everybody's entitled to their opinion. Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what I witnessed and what other
Speaker 1: people being witnessed. Okay, now the people that accompany me
Speaker 1: after that, oh, I found hair samples by the way, uh,
Speaker 1: and we took them to the local university and they
Speaker 1: came back about two weeks later indicated unknown harm in it. Okay.
Speaker 1: The hair samples were about twelve to eighteen inches long,
Speaker 1: and they were dark brown with reddish tinges, but the
Speaker 1: hair itself, the follicles of the hair was different than
Speaker 1: a normal harm in it hair. It's like transparent, very transparent. Anyhow,
Speaker 1: so let's move on to the next day. The next day,
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm coming back from that investigation Murray, which
Speaker 1: is still ongoing, by the way. I get back to
Speaker 1: my houses around midnight and my first wife says to me, John,
Speaker 1: the chief of police at California, PA called us, and
Speaker 1: they want you to come up to High School Hill. Now,
Speaker 1: let me explain something about the distance involved. And I
Speaker 1: took you there as well, Dan, and I showed this
Speaker 1: to you. It's maybe three three miles by air from
Speaker 1: that high school hill to Crescent Heights, Okay, and there's
Speaker 1: power lines that run it through that area. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I go up there and on the right side of
Speaker 1: this hill were twelve police officers and thirty civilians that
Speaker 1: live in that area. Their lights are flashing on their
Speaker 1: cars and stuff. And the chief of police name was
Speaker 1: Charlie Baloney. Okay. Anyhow, I don't know if he's still
Speaker 1: alive or not. I think he might have moved to Florida.
Speaker 1: But he was a good friend of my family and
Speaker 1: my mine. And I said, what's going on Charlie. He goes,
Speaker 1: look up there, and I showed this to you too.
Speaker 1: Before off the road, maybe one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 1: two hundred feet away was a high tension tower and
Speaker 1: as I looked, I saw something against the tree. Now
Speaker 1: it was overcast. There was snow on the snow on
Speaker 1: parts of the grassy area, but none on the road.
Speaker 1: It was very cold the next day, so I start
Speaker 1: walking up here. Now the only thing I had on
Speaker 1: me was a portable spot like called a Q being
Speaker 1: with a portable power pack for them because it's five
Speaker 1: hundred thousand candle power, very bright. And I had a
Speaker 1: stun gun on me. At the time. I always carried
Speaker 1: a lot of money because I worked at the environmental
Speaker 1: company at the time. So as I'm walking up here,
Speaker 1: I look behind me and the police officers aren't following me,
Speaker 1: and I says, hey, you guys coming or what And
Speaker 1: they says no, look at the size of that blank,
Speaker 1: blank thing. And I said, you guys got guns. I said,
Speaker 1: you guys got guns. I don't have a gun. I said,
Speaker 1: we're not going to say all right, So you know me, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm fearless about stuff. I don't care. So
Speaker 1: I figure I'm going to be going I'm in this.
Speaker 1: I'm in this because i want to know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of the unknown. I called myself an
Speaker 1: explorer of the unknown. By the way, not an expert
Speaker 1: says they're an expert, right right? Anyhow, So yeah.
Speaker 2: Not to interrupt, not to interrupt you, but you know,
Speaker 2: in a number of cases, and I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 2: it yourself, where others will direct or or or call
Speaker 2: you or refer to you as an expert in a
Speaker 2: particular field. If it was a particular field other than
Speaker 2: saying like bigfoot, that might be different. Like if they
Speaker 2: want to call me a wildlife expert, I would appreciate
Speaker 2: that more. But when they I've been referred to as
Speaker 2: a Bigfoord expert, no, that like feels very insulting because again,
Speaker 2: just like what you said, there's no experts in the
Speaker 2: bigwick community or cryptid world.
Speaker 3: But wildlife is a different story.
Speaker 2: Because I grew up studying wildlife, so you know, I
Speaker 2: know quite a bit about wildlife, but big Put's a
Speaker 2: different story.
Speaker 1: Or a crypt if you're if you're an expert, if
Speaker 1: you know an anatomy or a medical field, or you're
Speaker 1: a legal expert. Yeah, you're an expert in those particular fields.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the paranormal, really none of
Speaker 1: us are experts. It's okay, we're all explorers of the unknown, okay.
Speaker 1: And the difference is I want to get let me
Speaker 1: get back that. I just want to finish this part.
Speaker 1: So I started walking. When I got closer, I maybe
Speaker 1: thirty feet away or so, I smelled it. Okay. Now
Speaker 1: I was dark out, and I have this powerful spotlight.
Speaker 1: I smelled it before I actually saw it, and it
Speaker 1: smelled like dead animals and dirt and rotten leaves and everything.
Speaker 1: And then I shined a light on it. Now, with
Speaker 1: that much light on it, it should have reflected something
Speaker 1: back on me. But the strangest thing about I noticed,
Speaker 1: and this is something that people should put down in
Speaker 1: their databases about Bigfoot, at least the ones I've encountered,
Speaker 1: the light was seemed to be absorbed into this creature
Speaker 1: didn't reflect back at all, which really kind of was
Speaker 1: weird to me. But I was so in awe what
Speaker 1: I saw. I mean, look like I said, I'm tall.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you know that you've met me?
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, yeah, I stood it.
Speaker 1: When when I can, I can reach flat foot at
Speaker 1: eight feet exactly. This thing was about two feet taller
Speaker 1: than my hand. Massive white shoulders. Maybe, Oh, I'd have
Speaker 1: to say, I'm guessing four feet or more and with
Speaker 1: almost no neck.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No saginal crest like a gorilla. Okay, let's keep this straight.
Speaker 1: No sagital crest. It was a little bit, but not much.
Speaker 1: There is no defining genitalia on it because the hair
Speaker 1: was so long. The hair was a i'd say a
Speaker 1: foot to eighteen inches long, okay. The hair was dark
Speaker 1: brown in color with reddish tinges. The eyes, as you
Speaker 1: know as wildlife expert, and you are, and I give
Speaker 1: you that no primeate on this planet has eyeshine. This
Speaker 1: thing had eyes shine, green eyeshine, the same kind of
Speaker 1: eye shine that I saw at the place in Murray's.
Speaker 1: By the way, I think I can mention with a
Speaker 1: family's name was the Horseman family. Okay, because now he's
Speaker 1: the one son, Jeremiah is a good friend of mine.
Speaker 1: He's the one I trained to be an investigator in
Speaker 1: a paranormal He lives in Arizona. Now he's doing a
Speaker 1: great job out there. I'm so proud of him anyhow,
Speaker 1: So I got within. I started walking. Now, normal people
Speaker 1: probably were run screaming for the lights. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: walk closer. I got anywhere between thirteen and fifteen feet
Speaker 1: from this thing. Its arms were slightly crossed, but they
Speaker 1: were gigantic arms like tree trunks, like literally like tree trunks,
Speaker 1: legs like tree trunks. The face was and the whole
Speaker 1: body was covered with hair except around its eyes and
Speaker 1: around its snows and a mouth, and it looked like
Speaker 1: hair on the sides. I couldn't see any ears at all. Okay,
Speaker 1: not saying it didn't have ears, but I couldn't see any.
Speaker 1: And the skin color was a dark gray in color, Okay,
Speaker 1: not black, but dark gray. Now, let me say something
Speaker 1: about this. On every site I've ever been on or
Speaker 1: seen on regarding bigfoot, they always seem to show a
Speaker 1: bit foot mustar looked like the Incredible Halt. They do
Speaker 1: not look like right. Okay, They are covered with hair
Speaker 1: for the most part. Okay, if they get mange, that'd
Speaker 1: be a different story. Okay, But this thing was covered
Speaker 1: with hair, Okay, long hair, that's headed, long nails. The
Speaker 1: nails were dark in color. I couldn't I wasn't sure
Speaker 1: if they were black or dark gray. The nose was wide, okay,
Speaker 1: it had a large overlapping forehead, almost like a Neanderthal Okay,
Speaker 1: almost not quite okay, right, and it's and you can
Speaker 1: clearly see there was brow marks on it, okay, brow marks,
Speaker 1: and they had really like hairy eyebrows. But in its teeth,
Speaker 1: it sort of opened its mouth a little bit. Now,
Speaker 1: as a wildlife expert, you know canines have like wolves
Speaker 1: and dogs have canine teeth. Correct, Why because they eat
Speaker 1: so to human beings, not me instance, I don't have
Speaker 1: my teeth pulled, so I just have record fall steep
Speaker 1: that anyhow, Uh, this thing had big canines maybe I
Speaker 1: want to say, almost two inches long and molars. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: So that told me it was an omnivore. I saw
Speaker 1: its lips. The lips were dark in color as well. Okay.
Speaker 1: It stood there with his arms slightly crossed. You can
Speaker 1: see it's breathing. So it's a living, tangible creature. It's
Speaker 1: not a spiritual being. I know. There's again there's gonna
Speaker 1: be people disagree with me and go into the myth
Speaker 1: part of this stuff. But listen, I'm a realist. About
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. Okay. What I saw is what
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Okay, firsthand, it looked at me, and
Speaker 1: as you know, you know what infrasound is, I felt waves,
Speaker 1: literally palpable waves pressure hitting me. But what I what
Speaker 1: I felt was I, in my opinion, felt like waves
Speaker 1: of sadness. In other words, I think it was sad
Speaker 1: because it was spotted and did you know what to
Speaker 1: do at this point? And the size of it, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I would believe I didn't see any Jenna, tell you again,
Speaker 1: I would have to think it was a mail, a
Speaker 1: big mail, Okay. And the reason I know it was
Speaker 1: almost ten feet tall is because the next day I
Speaker 1: went back up and I measured the height where it
Speaker 1: was leaning against the high tension tire. Okay, for fifteen
Speaker 1: to thirty seconds it looked at me. I didn't have
Speaker 1: a camera on me because I didn't know what I
Speaker 1: was coming to see, because sometimes the police would call
Speaker 1: me or the fire company go up and rescue. Peak was.
Speaker 1: I had a jeep with a winch on it, and
Speaker 1: they just called me, said John, can you come up?
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. And because I found dead people, you know,
Speaker 1: and I pulled people out, and I even pulled the
Speaker 1: fire company out one time. But anyhow, so I didn't
Speaker 1: have my camera or any weapons on the other net
Speaker 1: stun gun, which I would have to touch you with,
Speaker 1: and I'm certainly not going to touch something like that
Speaker 1: with that probably would laughed at me. Right but right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not bragging, but I'm even now I'm
Speaker 1: a pretty powerful guy, and back then even more or so.
Speaker 1: And I was much younger because I'm seventy two years
Speaker 1: old and almost seventy three. But this thing, even in
Speaker 1: my prime, could have ripped me on bloom from limb. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: after this period of time, it turned and everybody's watching me.
Speaker 1: Now you got forty two people, including those twelve police
Speaker 1: officer on this site before I even got there. So
Speaker 1: this is factual. This can be proven. This is not
Speaker 1: made up. Okay. I walked up to this darn thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: after that, in three strides, it covered thirty feet fast.
Speaker 1: Now you know, Dan, how fast a deer is and
Speaker 1: a rabbit. Okay, the dog this thing moved like a blur,
Speaker 1: literally like a burder, like zero to sixty instantaneously, okay,
Speaker 1: and went into the woods and the woods right there,
Speaker 1: as you know, because you saw are pretty thick with brush. Okay,
Speaker 1: it disappeared. I tried to keep up with it. I
Speaker 1: couldn't do it, Okay, but I found hair samples the
Speaker 1: next day about the same length. I sent him to
Speaker 1: the college and they came back with the same result,
Speaker 1: which tells me it's probably the same ones at were
Speaker 1: Red Crest and Heights. Okay. Now, the thing about this
Speaker 1: is there was a multiple sightings in that entire year,
Speaker 1: right down maybe seven eight miles away by air. I
Speaker 1: interviewed a priest out by Patsy Hillman Park, which used
Speaker 1: to be the Little Burn Park. Now you know you've
Speaker 1: been there, speaking as I have been as well. And
Speaker 1: that's all woods up there and stuff, okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of woods. So this priest calls us through my director,
Speaker 1: through my director, and he says, mister Stasco. He says,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something. This is a priest, Okay,
Speaker 1: no reason for him to lie to me. This is wintertime.
Speaker 1: He says. I looked out my wind and I saw
Speaker 1: three big hairy creatures outside in my trash cans going
Speaker 1: through my trash, and I had thrown out some old
Speaker 1: pizza from the night before and they were taking it.
Speaker 1: So I went out and talked to him about it.
Speaker 1: Sure enough, you know, and he's still living here. I
Speaker 1: think I heard from somebody up that lives up that
Speaker 1: way that this guy still lives there. But anyhow, so
Speaker 1: this is this there's been a rational sightings in this
Speaker 1: whole area. Meanwhile, Charlie also told me to keep the
Speaker 1: place in California at the time when he was making
Speaker 1: his routine prole root forty three, which linked up with
Speaker 1: Root forty what you know about as well, that he
Speaker 1: saw a big foot in broad daylight squatting on the
Speaker 1: side of the road, maybe two hundred yards away from
Speaker 1: that hillside. I just told you about watching traffic. Now
Speaker 1: let me go on. There's a lot of old minds
Speaker 1: up that way. Ron and I talked about this. I
Speaker 1: told him about a cave he wasn't even aware of
Speaker 1: down here I crawled in two years ago. Okay, I
Speaker 1: took you guys up also where a UFO was on
Speaker 1: the ground. I got pictures of that too. But anyhow
Speaker 1: so where am I going with this? I have some
Speaker 1: timers going on sometimes I remember sometimes I don't know
Speaker 1: anyhow what I'm getting at is that there's a rational
Speaker 1: sightings in this area. Now, later on, Devin and myself
Speaker 1: and Keith are Paul john You know who Paul Johnson is.
Speaker 3: Paul Johnson was familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a professor of pitt Well. He wanted to
Speaker 1: come along with us. He was a new member of
Speaker 1: the group. So he was a tall guy too. See
Speaker 1: he's six foot six and he's skinny as a rail.
Speaker 1: Devin's sixty six and a half. Weighs three times as
Speaker 1: much as I do. Here, I am the short guy,
Speaker 1: six foot four two. I was about two thirty. So
Speaker 1: we go up. We started interviewing a lot of these
Speaker 1: people up there, and most of the people live up
Speaker 1: for a really nice people. I known him when I
Speaker 1: was in high school down that way. They're black people,
Speaker 1: but they were scared to death about this thing. I
Speaker 1: went into their house were three of us went there
Speaker 1: and stuff, and I think we scared them more in
Speaker 1: the big wood. But anyhow, Uh, we talked to him.
Speaker 1: They were all terrified. And then we talked to a
Speaker 1: lady up on the hill who was an old black
Speaker 1: lady who lived in a trailer on the hillside facing
Speaker 1: down the hill. Down to that gully below where the
Speaker 1: UFO was that I told you about, and she said
Speaker 1: she heard a noise outside her window that faced down
Speaker 1: the hill. Now, to look in that window, you'd have
Speaker 1: to be at least nine nine and a half feet tall.
Speaker 1: She says she heard a noise about that wind outside
Speaker 1: that window, and she looked this thing was looking back
Speaker 1: in that window, which indicated had to be half ten
Speaker 1: feet tall. Scared the craft right exactly. And you would
Speaker 1: think because now, I mean there's more houses up there
Speaker 1: and stuff that weren't there before. But those people were
Speaker 1: terrified up there, you know. And then I talked to
Speaker 1: another lady in that same area. I talked to her. Well,
Speaker 1: first thing, this one woman can contact me. She had
Speaker 1: a ghost in her house, and I told her enough
Speaker 1: to tell me anything about it. I know a clear house.
Speaker 1: I met Aida Lorraine Warm many years agoing out of clearhouses.
Speaker 1: I go up there, I found out where the ghost was,
Speaker 1: took care of it into that cleared the house. But
Speaker 1: she was telling me why I was doing this to
Speaker 1: her mother and hers saw an eight foot tall bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that road to get from Ron's house
Speaker 1: to go up that hill in the Crescent Heights. We
Speaker 1: had to go up that.
Speaker 3: Is up by up by the church he took us to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well okay, yeah, yeah, there's a gully there
Speaker 1: and that's where that creature went through and crossed the road. Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: Ron just told me something recently when I took his
Speaker 1: Christmas card down to him personally, and he told me something.
Speaker 1: But it's not up to me to tell him tell him. Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually he shared some of that with me because
Speaker 2: I asked him about that. So yeah, he kind of
Speaker 2: killed me in the shape shifter.
Speaker 1: Right, So but this is all in that round that
Speaker 1: area and stuff, and uh, he told me he had
Speaker 1: some video of it, I guess. But I told him
Speaker 1: I would come down here with him and we do
Speaker 1: an investigation. I guess when the weather breaks will do something.
Speaker 1: But right now it's too bad. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna take a chance. But my whole point is
Speaker 1: this is that. Uh and then I'm getting ahead of
Speaker 1: myself now, Mingo Park, where you know where that's at?
Speaker 1: Because you and I went down with another investigator last
Speaker 1: year sometime I guess it was last year. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah, and we were but when I was
Speaker 1: there with my wife and two or three of my
Speaker 1: great grandchildren. I took them to the top of Mingo Park.
Speaker 1: There's a big area up there, playground, so I took
Speaker 1: my kids up there. Those kids up there at the
Speaker 1: blood and play We ran into another couple had two
Speaker 1: kids and me and the man was standing there talking.
Speaker 1: We had our vehicles locked up and we're letting the
Speaker 1: kids use these remote control cars and trucks and stuff.
Speaker 1: And the guy says, look at that, sir. And I
Speaker 1: looked over maybe three hundred feet away, and there's something
Speaker 1: standing about and buy some trees at the top of
Speaker 1: Mingo Park looking at us. And it was pretty big,
Speaker 1: about eight foot black. So I had to run my
Speaker 1: car and get my belongings. By the time I did,
Speaker 1: it was gone. But my wife saw it. I saw it,
Speaker 1: the two adults saw it. That's four people saw this
Speaker 1: thing now, as you know.
Speaker 3: And there was the other guy that was there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, as you know, we got you got
Speaker 1: contacted by a gentleman. We're gonna mention his name because
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be put it out there, but
Speaker 1: we got contacted about this guy seeing something on his property.
Speaker 1: Heges recently bought. So you and I another investigator went
Speaker 1: down here looking for what we thought was either a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: small big foot, or pugwatche. Okay, we weren't sure, but
Speaker 1: I think we found one track. But I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if that was a track or not. I'm really not
Speaker 1: sure about that. I don't want to say definitively because
Speaker 1: I'm not like that again.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well there was definitely some potential there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what we did, Yeah, what we did see was
Speaker 1: is you recall we were at the top of that
Speaker 1: hill looking away. We saw what, let me you say it,
Speaker 1: what did we see do?
Speaker 3: Unidentified flying object up in the Yeah, that was hovering.
Speaker 1: Right and what did I do? I shined my light
Speaker 1: on it, and the other way investigator says, John, you're
Speaker 1: going to make them come here? I says, isn't that
Speaker 1: the point? So that one went to my right, went
Speaker 1: over maybe an eighth of a mile away. It was thick, crush,
Speaker 1: very thick. We couldn't get through there in time. It
Speaker 1: started going down, turned red, and then a little bit
Speaker 1: later came back up and rejoined the other, and then
Speaker 1: later on it took off. So you and I and
Speaker 1: the other investigator saw two UFOs on a big poot investigation.
Speaker 1: But my point being is this all within that proximity
Speaker 1: of Mingo Park. Now, let me go on. Up until
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, I was not interested that much in bigfoot,
Speaker 1: and I started taking these cases that no one else
Speaker 1: wanted to talk, okay, because everybody else in the group
Speaker 1: were into the Kexsburg thing and the UFOs and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my primary, but that's not I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: into the entire preer or a normal genre at this point.
Speaker 1: So I started going on these bigfoot investigations with other people,
Speaker 1: and I've probably been on over over five thousand in
Speaker 1: my life in fifty seven years, almost fifty eight years now.
Speaker 1: When I haven't been doing actual infield research, I've been
Speaker 1: doing research, book research, technical research on computers and things
Speaker 1: of that nature to get more well read about it.
Speaker 1: If you want to know something about something, you've got
Speaker 1: to read about it as well as going into the field.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: You just can't sit around and look up stuff online
Speaker 1: and think your b all know at all about bigfoot
Speaker 1: or anything else for that matter. You got to get
Speaker 1: out there, like you do, and like I do, and
Speaker 1: like Ron and others do. Bill Rigby and Mike Cartman
Speaker 1: and those guys. I give them all the credit in
Speaker 1: the world. They get out there and they put the
Speaker 1: boots on the ground and put the work in. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love them. Guys. You know you're one of my
Speaker 1: favorites too. I gotta tell you, Okay, especially.
Speaker 3: That's that's very possible.
Speaker 2: I might.
Speaker 3: I might just do that, don't.
Speaker 2: I'll work on that.
Speaker 1: I'm not going for I'm not going for Mickey.
Speaker 3: Hell no, no, I don't want to mc donald. They'll
Speaker 3: give you, they'll give you the ship.
Speaker 1: But the more people I talk to, that seem more
Speaker 1: and more cases were cropping up where people are seeing
Speaker 1: a big foot like creature in close proximity to either
Speaker 1: a hovering UFO or a landed UFO or going into
Speaker 1: or coming out of a UFO. Okay, which told me
Speaker 1: there's some kind of connection. Now what that connection is,
Speaker 1: I can speculate my opinion and without ruffling everybody else's
Speaker 1: feathers who don't agree with me, I'm just going to
Speaker 1: say this, in my opinion, there's some type of connection.
Speaker 1: I also want to say this. I know there are
Speaker 1: people in this field, some respectable you know, and some
Speaker 1: not so respectable that feel that they're that you. The
Speaker 1: bigfoot uses portal to disappear and reappear. I don't buy that, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a it's and some people think it's a spiritual creature.
Speaker 1: I don't buy that either. It's flesh and blood. What
Speaker 1: I smelled and saw was as real as you and I. Okay,
Speaker 1: but what's the connection. I don't know, but I will.
Speaker 1: Let me just tell you some things that I do know.
Speaker 1: I know that I followed tracks. I used to walk
Speaker 1: through the creeks, and I wore rubber boots or waiters
Speaker 1: when I walked through creeks, and I look at either
Speaker 1: side of those creek beds, okay right, not far from
Speaker 1: where we were, and I would sometimes find tracks five
Speaker 1: feet up or more from the base of the creek
Speaker 1: onto land. No human being has a stride like that.
Speaker 1: So that tells me they're using the creeks to mass
Speaker 1: their footprints. These are intelligent creatures. They're intelligent. They're self aware,
Speaker 1: sentient creatures beings. When they stepped backwards into those tracks
Speaker 1: up on Crescent Heights, that told me all I need
Speaker 1: to know. Indians used to do that. They backtracked, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: what animal on Earth backtracks? None? None? Zero?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this too, about anatomy, about bigfoot. Anatomy. Okay,
Speaker 1: it has long arms. We know that some of it's
Speaker 1: young have been seen in trees, supposedly, allegedly. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: use the word allegedly. Okay. Now, there's only something which
Speaker 1: as possible. Right, there's only a few reasons why a
Speaker 1: creature would have long arms like that. Okay. Generally look
Speaker 1: at monkeys. Why monkeys have long arms.
Speaker 3: To escape predator?
Speaker 1: Right right, exactly, Like jaguars, lions, Okay, that kind of panthers,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things. Okay, gorillas, which they're very powerful,
Speaker 1: They traveling in troops right through chimps. A bunch of
Speaker 1: chimpanzees could probably take out a panther or a leopard. Okay,
Speaker 1: But what that tells me one thing is this bigfoot
Speaker 1: climbs tree, can climb tree. Okay, So wherever it came from,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out on a limb here. I'm
Speaker 1: going to say it's not indigenous to this planet. I'm
Speaker 1: going out on a limb here. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: native to the planet. Okay, it's been here for a
Speaker 1: long time, but I don't think it came from here.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a descendant of Gigantopithecus. I do
Speaker 1: not think it's a descendant of the Denos Evans. Okay,
Speaker 1: no known harm in it, although it's supposedly some cases
Speaker 1: they've said it's got some human DNA in it. Well,
Speaker 1: that could be for a lot of reasons. There's been
Speaker 1: women disappeared into the woods at a lot of times. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't know what's happened here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unless the DNA.
Speaker 2: By some chance is very identical to what we have,
Speaker 2: but not saying that there was any mating involved. It
Speaker 2: could be just yeah, it could be a close mat
Speaker 2: like they say about chimpanzees, there are our right, it's
Speaker 2: actually yeah, it's actually a one point eight difference between
Speaker 2: us and them. So I mean, what's the chance you know?
Speaker 1: And the other thing I want to say, this creature
Speaker 1: does not in this I can tell you something else
Speaker 1: that I'm aware of doing the research now as well
Speaker 1: as the infield research. The let me start with the
Speaker 1: west coast, northwest coast. The northwest Sasquatch seems to be
Speaker 1: more territorial and more violent okay than the other sasquatches,
Speaker 1: except maybe the Yetti or the YearIn in China. Okay.
Speaker 1: And the reason I think because there's less human beings,
Speaker 1: so it becomes more territory. It's hunting grounds or it's
Speaker 1: hunting grounds. You remember the Portlock problems they had up
Speaker 1: there with all those people or killed, mangledicor the people.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm we'll wear that. I got a friend
Speaker 2: of mine who investigate in that area too.
Speaker 1: So. But so I'm saying that the West coast ones
Speaker 1: up in the Northwest are more territory, therefore more prone
Speaker 1: to violence. Okay, However, let's move to the east coast.
Speaker 1: While there's some rare instances of bigfoot being aggressive, to
Speaker 1: my knowledge, no human being has been harmed or killed
Speaker 1: by a big foot in the northeastern part of the
Speaker 1: United States.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, we know.
Speaker 1: That we know of Now they've been people have been
Speaker 1: scared off, Yes, in Ohio Soldport people have been scared. Okay.
Speaker 1: In Pennsylvania, some people have been scared. We had some
Speaker 1: hikers up here. I just talked to a forest ranger
Speaker 1: up at uh Well about about a month and a half,
Speaker 1: two months ago up at Ohio Powell and either had
Speaker 1: They've had three reports up there hikers seeing a bigfoot. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I asked, if God, point blank he's a forest
Speaker 1: ranger right there? Okay, I was up In fact, I
Speaker 1: sent you some pictures I was up there. But anyhow
Speaker 1: with the white But the thing I'm getting at these
Speaker 1: creatures seem to be highly intelligent. Now. The other thing
Speaker 1: is this, uh, you know, we we believe I'm going
Speaker 1: to say again allegedly that Bigfoot's main protein source is deer.
Speaker 1: It's as fast as I saw it can run a
Speaker 1: deer down. But you know what's really strange. This area
Speaker 1: has a lot of farmland, as you know, and cattle.
Speaker 1: Not one cow or sheep or pig has been hard
Speaker 1: or taken, not one, none, not in Pennsylvania. Okay. Why
Speaker 1: Why is that they'd be easier to kill it than
Speaker 1: a deer because a deer cannot run? Right?
Speaker 2: Maybe I think at least animals are, Yeah, they're more closed, right.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, I think that this creature knows
Speaker 1: that if it attacks and kills an animal a animal,
Speaker 1: that human beings are gonna come hunted, and human brings
Speaker 1: will bring dogs and weapons. So it leaves the animals alone.
Speaker 1: They'll go after the deer, the rabbit, the possums, the raccoons,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Okay, so it leaves. It's smart
Speaker 1: enough to understand that that man can hunt it, okay,
Speaker 1: and be propairly effective at tracking. Now, but let's move
Speaker 1: down south. Now we got the Bogie Creek monster. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got the skunk again. More isolated areas, right, The
Speaker 1: creatures down there seem to be more aggressive, more violent.
Speaker 1: Why is that again, less people, more territorial. Okay, they're
Speaker 1: hunting grounds. Okay, so it depends on where they're located. Now,
Speaker 1: in China you have the Year and the Tibet, you
Speaker 1: have the Yetti. Now, the food sources there are kind
Speaker 1: of limited, okay, especially high up. But the the people,
Speaker 1: the people live, they have sheep, they have some cattle,
Speaker 1: things of this nature. There's been many reports of the
Speaker 1: Yarin or the Yeti taking and killing cattle, actually killing
Speaker 1: people supposedly or spiriting off children or women. Okay, so
Speaker 1: it seems to be much more violent. Again, less food source,
Speaker 1: more territorial. Okay. Let's go to Australia. The Yawi the
Speaker 1: Aborigines talked about the Yo, the Aborigines have been there
Speaker 1: for thousands and thousands of years. Okay, they've not only
Speaker 1: recorded instances on cave walls of a creature similar to Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: but UFOs aliens. Now, those people can only put down
Speaker 1: on the cave walls what they saw. That's their way
Speaker 1: to connect. Just like right they write, we can write letters,
Speaker 1: they write pictographs, okay, right, So, but the food source
Speaker 1: down there is kangaroos, wallabies, that that kind of thing, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of limited. But those creatures down there
Speaker 1: aren't the size supposedly of the other the mainland creatures. Okay.
Speaker 1: At one time Australia was probably connected to the Asiatic continent. Okay,
Speaker 1: And because of global shifting, the separation of the plates
Speaker 1: on the earth that drifted away. So a lot of
Speaker 1: creatures that were on the mainland that moved over the
Speaker 1: state on there were still there for thousands more years,
Speaker 1: like the dodo, the Tasmanian tiger, that kind of thing, okay,
Speaker 1: And even today we have had you get a black
Speaker 1: and white picture of a live Tasmanian tiger supposedly run
Speaker 1: around in the bush out there. Okay. The Komodo dragon
Speaker 1: is a smaller. Now represent it's nine to ten feet long.
Speaker 1: As it's very dangerous because if it bites you can
Speaker 1: get sept to seemia. But the Avarges claimed there's a
Speaker 1: creature called the Megalania, which is a giant relative of
Speaker 1: the Komodo dragon, up to twenty six feet long. It
Speaker 1: was killing and eating some of their people up into
Speaker 1: modern times. That's a big continent. Okay, it's a giant
Speaker 1: island continent, is what it is.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people don't realize there's there's several
Speaker 2: different time zones to the to the country of Australia, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly now, right now, let's go to Russia. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Russia, which Russia has the most planned area in
Speaker 1: the world. Okay, you've heard of the Dolotov Past incident
Speaker 1: where nine hikers were killed, brutally murdered documentary, right, and
Speaker 1: one of the one of the hikers took a picture
Speaker 1: of something peeking from behind a tree. Okay, these people
Speaker 1: were massacred, destroyed it, I mean in a blizzards. Nine
Speaker 1: of them, they pretty experienced hikers. They were young, but experienced.
Speaker 1: Some boys also saw a big boot like creature looking
Speaker 1: at them out that way as well. Now just remember
Speaker 1: all that, right, let me just say this too. There
Speaker 1: was a creature called the short faced bear that lived
Speaker 1: during oh yeah, right, the cinazodic era, I believe it was,
Speaker 1: And it was about fifteen feet about fifteenth feet tall
Speaker 1: or so, maybe up to eighteen feet short faced bete
Speaker 1: like a gigantic codio bear kodiak bear. Okay, supposedly there's
Speaker 1: been sightings of something like that up there still to
Speaker 1: this day. So what I'm getting at, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell our viewers and the people listening in
Speaker 1: on this is you can't discount anything. There's always going
Speaker 1: to be a grain of truth everything, whether it be myth,
Speaker 1: legend or fact, There's always got to be a little
Speaker 1: grain of truth somewhere about something. Okay, Now, if you
Speaker 1: were to tell me you saw a flying elephant that
Speaker 1: was pink, I'd have to ask you what the truth
Speaker 1: of it is. Were you drinking last Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: drink what you I'll probably see the same thing you
Speaker 1: did if I drink it. But anyhow, the thing is
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. And then let's move along a
Speaker 1: little bit further. I know I'm kind of getting off
Speaker 1: a little bit on the big foot thing. But I
Speaker 1: have a reason for this.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're totally fine.
Speaker 1: They had a creature called the Seala camp which is
Speaker 1: supposedly died sixty five million years ago during the Jurassic
Speaker 1: period I believe was or Triassic. It's an armored five
Speaker 1: foot long fish, supposed to be extinct. Right, They found
Speaker 1: seven or eight of them so far swimming alive in
Speaker 1: the ocean, starting in an Indian oceans where they found them. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they're still alive. Then you go to the let's
Speaker 1: go to the lake monsters. There's a point to all this.
Speaker 1: The lake monsters. Not only you know Locke Ness is
Speaker 1: famous for NeSSI okay, and it's twenties. I think it's
Speaker 1: twenty five or twenty six long mile lake that some
Speaker 1: people believe that's connected to the North Atlantic where these
Speaker 1: creatures can come in and out. And my wife just
Speaker 1: turned the light off me so I can see better anyhow,
Speaker 1: So so not that I can see. I can with
Speaker 1: my glass on, I can see. But anyhow the thing
Speaker 1: is that there's other like monsters too. You have champ
Speaker 1: Lake Champlain, you got the og Piko okay Lake ogo PoCA.
Speaker 1: Then you got the mcaulay Bembe in Africa and the
Speaker 1: Congo supposedly a saw pit of some type. Okay, which
Speaker 1: is a saw pit? Is a large four legged plane
Speaker 1: eating dinosaurs should have been extinct as well. There's got
Speaker 1: to be a grain of truth in some of this, okay, somewhere,
Speaker 1: So let's.
Speaker 3: Just move on.
Speaker 1: How many people you know that live in the city
Speaker 1: Dan have ever seen a real coyote.
Speaker 3: Alive sat up? Very few, to be honest with.
Speaker 1: You, right, okay, how many people have actually seen a fox?
Speaker 1: Very few? Well, okay, my point being. My point being
Speaker 1: is it just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it doesn't exist. That'd be like me saying about Bigfoot
Speaker 1: just because Like, Okay, if I took a spoonful of
Speaker 1: water out of the ocean, now there's nothing in that spoon.
Speaker 1: I said, there's nothing living in there, right, got it,
Speaker 1: There's only a spoonful. But then somebody can say, well,
Speaker 1: there's nothing lives in there because there's nothing in my spoon.
Speaker 1: That's not true. You got to dig deeper, go deeper. Okay.
Speaker 1: Then there's been accounts of creatures which, for all intents
Speaker 1: and purpose, could be the extinct fish called the megaladon. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of cases about something like that
Speaker 1: being seen. Big Blue was seen off the coast of Africa,
Speaker 1: supposedly thirty feet or more. Okay, boats people have disappeared anyhow. Again,
Speaker 1: And here's the last thing I want to bring up
Speaker 1: to our listeners. If you did now have access to
Speaker 1: an encyclopedia, the internet or TV, and I were to
Speaker 1: come to you and say, ladies and gentlemen, there's a
Speaker 1: creature with the bill of a duck, the tail of
Speaker 1: a beaver, poison tip, claws, lays e's got hair. Okay,
Speaker 1: what would you say? You're full of it? Right, John? Right?
Speaker 3: So you is.
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: You go, just because we haven't, it doesn't it doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: The Bonobo that no one who exists. The hobbit they're saying,
Speaker 1: that's the Hobbits still may be alive. Okay, Oh I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe so, yeah, I do too. I think it's
Speaker 1: a Sumatra. And then you have the rock ape story
Speaker 1: over when they and during Vietnam Era when the troops
Speaker 1: supposedly we're having some battles with rock apes. Okay, it's
Speaker 1: kind of similar similar to the canon the Rock Canyon apes,
Speaker 1: remember in in out Western the United States as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, right exactly. But my point being Dan, is
Speaker 1: that if people don't do the proper research, do the legwork, okay,
Speaker 1: then you're not going to out And if you have
Speaker 1: your face buried in a phone off, okay, you'ren't gonna
Speaker 1: know anything except what's on that phone. Perhaps. I mean,
Speaker 1: I drive through here in Washington, PA and there's people
Speaker 1: on the phone looking at their phone while they're driving.
Speaker 1: They're not paying attention, they don't care. A uf O
Speaker 1: can land right, God's walking step right out in front
Speaker 1: of them, and they wouldn't even see it until they
Speaker 1: got stepped on anyhow, So, yes, Bigfoot exists. Now you
Speaker 1: just say this, what are the some of the tricks
Speaker 1: of the trade I've used? Okay, probably someone of someone?
Speaker 1: Would you use? Power lines? Seem to be a right
Speaker 1: away for this preacher. Okay. If you're gonna have trail camps,
Speaker 1: set them up not only on one side, stagger them
Speaker 1: on opposite sides. Okay, Game trails known game trails. Today,
Speaker 1: the snow coming will be perfect opportunity to track a
Speaker 1: big foot because until it grows wings the fell footprints, right, Oh,
Speaker 1: for sure, walk through creek bed. Okay, Now I will
Speaker 1: say something here. It's gonna probably upset one of my friends. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't believe the bigfoot lives in the UK. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is because there's been
Speaker 1: no actually no, how can I say? It's no more
Speaker 1: verifiable sightings of a bigfoot like creature that lives in
Speaker 1: the UK. And besides, that's a very old country. The
Speaker 1: Celts lived there, okay, for thousands of years, the Romans
Speaker 1: moved in. No one's ever seen a bigfoot. There's black
Speaker 1: panther there, yes, but unless a bigfoot swam across the
Speaker 1: English Channel, which is thirteen miles across, I kind of
Speaker 1: doubt it. Okay, Yeah, anything, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I was gonna say if I could add,
Speaker 2: if if anything, at the most I could say that
Speaker 2: there's a possibility of small primates that's been discovered because
Speaker 2: according to what I've learned that there's been research, uh
Speaker 2: and evidence that's been analyzed where they've found that there's
Speaker 2: possible small and I mean small primates. Nothing larger that
Speaker 2: has been you know, there's DNA that's been discovered there
Speaker 2: that something's picking up that there's there's I mean that
Speaker 2: could be from a uh, I mean, where did that
Speaker 2: come from? It could be from pets that got loose
Speaker 2: over a period of time in years that might have
Speaker 2: you know. But the thing is that exactly what you're
Speaker 2: pointing out, there's been no evidence of anything to suggest
Speaker 2: that there's a large bipudal human ad you know, living
Speaker 2: or Roman those woods.
Speaker 3: None other than it depends.
Speaker 2: On how you look at Bigfoot, if you think Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is eightful, whatever, how you look at Bigfoot. The most
Speaker 2: you're going to get out there is impossible DNA of
Speaker 2: a small primate. Nothing more. Mainly just.
Speaker 1: You hit on a real good point. You know, their
Speaker 1: ancient Romans used to keep pets, and some of the
Speaker 1: later on the lords and the ladies of the castle
Speaker 1: got exotic pets. They might have got a tiger right
Speaker 1: a line, or maybe a chimpanzee, you know. Uh, just
Speaker 1: so you know, I think it was a late nineteenth
Speaker 1: century that the first gorilla was discovered. Okay, the mountain gorilla,
Speaker 1: not the Lowland girl, the mountain gorilla. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: so that could be that could be the case. Letting
Speaker 1: animals loose. You know, they do it here in the
Speaker 1: United States. People let they got They used to buy
Speaker 1: these little alligators, real little alligators, and they got so
Speaker 1: big they don't want to take care of. Say let
Speaker 1: them go. Where'd they go? Now? People say, Now here's
Speaker 1: the funny part. People say that alligators can't live in
Speaker 1: cold and the cole They've been around for two hundred
Speaker 1: through multiple multiple iceages. There's been more than one ice
Speaker 1: age through through an asteroid hitting the planet. Okay, and
Speaker 1: just not that far long ago. Here in Pittsburgh area,
Speaker 1: they found live alligators in the Alleghany River and Ohio River.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, now I believe it.
Speaker 2: Come on down to South Carolina, North Carolina, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've got a lot of research out there.
Speaker 2: There's there's alligators in South Carolina. People don't want to
Speaker 2: believe it, but there is.
Speaker 3: There's been. They've been sparting.
Speaker 2: They here's another thing a lot of people don't realize.
Speaker 2: And I've seen videos, real live videos of alligators frozen
Speaker 2: into ice.
Speaker 3: But with their nose just above the ice, they will
Speaker 3: put they will go into a I don't know if
Speaker 3: a proper term. Maybe you know it, but then will go,
Speaker 3: they will shut the pocket.
Speaker 1: Estivation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, right, they shut down, but they're still alive,
Speaker 2: so that water becomes warm.
Speaker 3: Enough for them to move around again.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a frog that actually does that.
Speaker 3: And okat, alligators do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when a water level gets so low, you know,
Speaker 1: and it goes underneath the mud and stays there until
Speaker 1: the water comes back, and it comes back again, it rejuvenates.
Speaker 1: But it's an estivation.
Speaker 3: Okay, Turtles do it too, right.
Speaker 1: Fish can travel out of the water. There's some fish.
Speaker 1: You can travel from one water hole through the on
Speaker 1: the land to another water hole. Okay, anything's possible. Okay,
Speaker 1: So that's my point. Now I want to say this
Speaker 1: too about back in the Cenazoic era. Uh, the continent
Speaker 1: of North America was pretty much separated from the continent
Speaker 1: of South America. Okay, and at the time, the main
Speaker 1: predators back on the South American continent were the saber,
Speaker 1: two tiger, and the terror bird. They were called terror birds.
Speaker 1: They were ten feet tall or more and they could
Speaker 1: kill us or two tiger. Okay. My point is that
Speaker 1: when the continents came back together because of global crush shifting,
Speaker 1: some of these creatures moved to the north from to
Speaker 1: the south. You know, some just vanished altogether and stuff again.
Speaker 1: But my whole point is this for somebody to arbitrarily
Speaker 1: say the big food doesn't exist. Okay, you say, where's
Speaker 1: my proof? I tell I say, I say this to you.
Speaker 1: Where's your proof that they don't exist?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 1: There's been over sixteen thousand reported cases of bigfoot. If
Speaker 1: only one percent of that case is right, it's real.
Speaker 1: That means they exist, right, sixteen thousand cases and it
Speaker 1: still grows every day. It's growing. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of credible people that have seen things, and I want
Speaker 1: to say something about credibility too, Okay, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: When I've investigated cases, I've talked to people from all
Speaker 1: walk works of life. I've talked to police officers, and
Speaker 1: I told you priests, lawyers, doctors, teachers, lay people you know,
Speaker 1: and you name it. I've also talked to people who
Speaker 1: have prison records. Okay, let me tell you about that.
Speaker 1: I have a tendency more to believe a person who
Speaker 1: had a prison record. And I talk to you about this,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why. Because, first of all, people
Speaker 1: that have been in trouble with the law to some extent,
Speaker 1: find it very difficult to come forward when they've seen something. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for them to come forward knowing that their credibility
Speaker 1: from the ripper are going to be called in a
Speaker 1: question tells me that their stories. I need to listen
Speaker 1: a little bit more of what they're saying, and they
Speaker 1: may be a little bit more believable because they know
Speaker 1: what's on the line with them. So I don't discount
Speaker 1: anybody's story, Okay. I go by facts. If you fabricate
Speaker 1: a story and say you have bigfoot tracks, and I
Speaker 1: go and look at the tracks you got, and their
Speaker 1: flat with no bridge on or anything in it, it's flat.
Speaker 1: That tells me you probably made a piece of wood
Speaker 1: in the shape of a footprint and stamped it on
Speaker 1: the ground. Okay. I've had people that I've investigated cases
Speaker 1: where they can't remember exactly where they saw the bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I remember exactly where I saw mine, don't you.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure? I have documentary based on.
Speaker 1: Right as I do. And the thing is, and their
Speaker 1: stories for the ones that lie are constantly changing. Okay. Uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I saw there's a I saw a list
Speaker 1: of so called bigfoot faces as somebody put on on Facebook,
Speaker 1: and they showed all these different faces and made them
Speaker 1: look almost human and all this. Look what I saw
Speaker 1: was it wasn't human, it wasn't animal. It was human
Speaker 1: like it's a it's a humanoid. It's got two arms
Speaker 1: and two legs. It's got feet, big feet. Okay, the
Speaker 1: bottoms of the feet. I didn't see. At bottom of feet.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was the same color as
Speaker 1: a face or not. I did see the underneath of
Speaker 1: the hand. The hand was dark color, too, hairless. Had
Speaker 1: you chance, my hands are pretty big. If you took
Speaker 1: like five of my hands maybe and put them all together,
Speaker 1: maybe six, that's how big one of its hands could
Speaker 1: slap my head right off. Okay, but it didn't show
Speaker 1: me any no aggression whatsoever. Okay, that's the one I
Speaker 1: got the closest to Now. Right now, this time of year,
Speaker 1: we have people out in the woods deer hunting and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and Bigfoot's gonna be laying low because
Speaker 1: everybody's out there got a gun trying to shoot anything
Speaker 1: that moves. But right now, after deer season is over
Speaker 1: and the snow we got, they're gonna be out foraging.
Speaker 1: This would be a prime time to look for. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the other thing I want to say about bigfoot before
Speaker 1: we move on to drones and things. Is this bigfoot
Speaker 1: in my opinion, though it's been seen in the daytime
Speaker 1: and it has, it's more of an arboreal creatures that
Speaker 1: it's hunting is done in the evening and night. If
Speaker 1: you look around, we're very It eats about the same
Speaker 1: thing as that deer would, except doesn't. Deer don't generally
Speaker 1: eat each other. Although deer can't eat meat, by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that or not. A
Speaker 1: deer can has been seen.
Speaker 3: I heard that the eating birds.
Speaker 1: Exactly exact, and small field mice and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: But so it's in the out right now forging for
Speaker 1: its food because no one else is out there. The
Speaker 1: other thing is this, and there's been reports of this
Speaker 1: as well. Where do you think bigfoot want to put
Speaker 1: I think they can be safely bedded down. I can
Speaker 1: tell you cemeteries at night because they're closed down right
Speaker 1: it dust. No one goes in the cemetery at night
Speaker 1: after it's blocked up. Parks closed up. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: two off the rip, okay. And there have been bigfoot
Speaker 1: sightings in cemeteries, okay, and in parks. I just told
Speaker 1: you about the one my grandson and I great grandson
Speaker 1: and I think we saw and that was in broad daylight. Okay, okay.
Speaker 3: Anyhow, and I remember when you first told me that story.
Speaker 1: I think you really did see something there.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 1: I do too.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: Eli's wanted saw it first, he pointed out to me,
Speaker 1: because I was telling you, my wife you can verify it.
Speaker 1: I was on the phone with her. She said, John,
Speaker 1: go to your car and get your bindoctors. And as
Speaker 1: I got out to walk toward the car, the thing
Speaker 1: stood up and walked, and it walked into the woods. Okay,
Speaker 1: Washington is fairly urban. We got a lot of woods
Speaker 1: around here too, Okay, a lot of woods.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean just on our street alone, before they started
Speaker 1: cutting down all these trees, after we had deer walking
Speaker 1: down the street. There was deer that gave what birth
Speaker 1: on our neighbor's porch, right on our neighbor's porch. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm driving down the street at night. Here is four
Speaker 1: deer walking in front of me like that on the street.
Speaker 1: I mean, they know they can't be.
Speaker 2: Hunding the town and working for an Amazon as the
Speaker 2: delivery driver. I've been in these highly populated subdivisions in
Speaker 2: the city of Charlottesville. I've had I'm come walking down
Speaker 2: a short flight of stairs after dropping off the package.
Speaker 2: Coming down the stairs, I've had deer right out from
Speaker 2: the corner of the house, almost giving me a heart attack. Okay,
Speaker 2: I was not expecting that.
Speaker 3: Deer or everywhere.
Speaker 1: The only thing I haven't seen a deer do up
Speaker 1: here is hitchhike. Okay, seriously, right, it's gonna it's going
Speaker 1: to happen. But if I do that, if I tell
Speaker 1: you that, then you're going to ask me what I'm drinking.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, let me let me let me get off
Speaker 1: the big Foot thing. Let's talk about these drives that's
Speaker 1: been going on. They've been almost ten thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but really, right now, before you go on for
Speaker 2: any further one thing I do want to bring up
Speaker 2: and mentioned as far as when you were talking about
Speaker 2: the credibility of big prot.
Speaker 3: Sightings and stories from I do want to throw in there.
Speaker 2: You know I've heard I'm not going to get into
Speaker 2: every story, but I've heard a multiple a lot of
Speaker 2: first hand reports here in Virginia alone, and some of
Speaker 2: the ones I found incredible, I personally believe they were
Speaker 2: incredible were from bear hunters who are hunting bears and
Speaker 2: know how to identify bears, have seen see things standing
Speaker 2: and peeking up behind trees at them while they're out
Speaker 2: in the woods.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 2: I had a report from a police officer who he
Speaker 2: likes to come to attend to my event that I
Speaker 2: put on every year here in Virginia every June. Uh
Speaker 2: that individual on night on night patrol just on east
Speaker 2: of the mountain over here on the east side of
Speaker 2: the mountain.
Speaker 3: He told me about a big foot sighting.
Speaker 2: That he had while on night patrol, and he knew
Speaker 2: what he saw.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a police officer.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean, I know, for those who follow in
Speaker 2: Washington documentaries on TV, there's other police officers Whitehall, New York,
Speaker 2: for example, back in the seventies have seen them.
Speaker 3: But this was I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I wish I had the details on the how long
Speaker 2: ago this was, but but.
Speaker 3: I'll never forget him telling me his story.
Speaker 2: Now he won't come on a podcast or share it,
Speaker 2: but you know, because but him as a police officer,
Speaker 2: he came forward and told me directly, specifically that it
Speaker 2: was his story, his sighting, what he saw, and I
Speaker 2: mean on the east side of the mountain where he said.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been other stories I've heard, I've gotten
Speaker 2: other reports from that same mountain ridge line, but he
Speaker 2: was on the east side of that mountain and he
Speaker 2: had a sighting. So yeah, so there, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to throw that in there real quick, that, Yeah, there
Speaker 2: is police officers who have come forward who are willing
Speaker 2: to share their sightings and stories that you know there
Speaker 2: are seeing the big foots out there. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: definitely want to throw that in there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let me tell you one more thing, one
Speaker 1: more story, and then I'm going to say something else
Speaker 1: about that. And I agree with you. Sure. I have
Speaker 1: a brother named Nick, and to work at a high
Speaker 1: school and he worked three to eleven and he told
Speaker 1: me he was on Route forty three, Remember I told
Speaker 1: you where the police officer saw one squat and on
Speaker 1: a road on the side of Well. Nick was coming
Speaker 1: down that highway Root forty three that would join up
Speaker 1: Route forty Okay, And he said when he come up,
Speaker 1: there was a two cars crashed on the highway there
Speaker 1: and the chief of police was there that we know,
Speaker 1: and other police officers, but also was there. It was
Speaker 1: a state police and the military vehicles were there. Okay,
Speaker 1: there was a uh what they call him the deuce
Speaker 1: and a half the big trucks was there. And the military. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the military was there. They told the police and the
Speaker 1: state police the people people away, and he said, now,
Speaker 1: my brother does not lie. He said he saw something
Speaker 1: about eight feet tall being picked up off the highway.
Speaker 1: It hit these cars that hit it and destroyed the cars.
Speaker 1: They already already carted away the victims to the hospital,
Speaker 1: and it loaded on the back of that military pickup
Speaker 1: and drove off. Okay, So, and he had no reason
Speaker 1: to light of it because now, I mean, Nick's never
Speaker 1: seen one himself, except he thinks that's what that was
Speaker 1: a bigfoot that stood out and got in front of
Speaker 1: a car. The car hit it and destroyed the two cars,
Speaker 1: not one, but two, and it went down and they
Speaker 1: took it away. So then, okay, let me get not
Speaker 1: only go on about something else too here. That's the
Speaker 1: last thing I want to talk about that. But look,
Speaker 1: there are people get on Facebook and they talk about
Speaker 1: they have multiple bay put on their property. They known
Speaker 1: by it. They told them what their first names are,
Speaker 1: and they hang out together and they're doing this and
Speaker 1: some women are been saying never having babies to Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and all this. Look, the waters are muddied enough right
Speaker 1: now with all these so called paranormal investments and these
Speaker 1: crazy groups and stories on TV and the shows on
Speaker 1: TV that Look, when I first started doing investigations almost
Speaker 1: fifty eight years ago, yeah, we had some coops. They
Speaker 1: would put like UFO cults and stuff. They would wear
Speaker 1: stuff on their head and say they got taken to
Speaker 1: Venus and all this, and it made the rest of us,
Speaker 1: the few of us that were serious about this stuff,
Speaker 1: look like idiots and liars and nutcases. Okay, I've tried
Speaker 1: in my life to try to bring respectability to this genre. Okay,
Speaker 1: but I go I look on TV and I see
Speaker 1: these shows where every noise I'm not even gonna mention
Speaker 1: the show because you know what I'm talking about. There's
Speaker 1: one show where every noise in the wood is a
Speaker 1: big Foot. Come on, every tree that rubs together is
Speaker 1: a bigfoot. Every branch that falls down, it makes it
Speaker 1: looks like a TV Bigfoot. Mate, Let's keep it real. Here.
Speaker 1: People noises are in the woods. Trees do rub together, okay,
Speaker 1: and trees do fall down, and sometimes they look like
Speaker 1: structures okay, doesn't mean big or beer. Okay. You got
Speaker 1: to do more investigations than that. Okay. And these tracks
Speaker 1: and these others, these OUTLANDI stories are ridiculous. I have
Speaker 1: a an associate that claims he's got a big foot
Speaker 1: on his property. Okay, great, I offer to go down here,
Speaker 1: I don't know how many, three, four or five, six
Speaker 1: times and go on his property and do it in
Speaker 1: proper investigation. What I think is proper. He's new to this,
Speaker 1: he's only been doing it for two or three years.
Speaker 1: I'm not He's never responded back to here yet. Yet
Speaker 1: he went on an excursion all the way across the
Speaker 1: country to look for a big foot. Well, if you
Speaker 1: got one on your property, wondered, why did you do that?
Speaker 1: Put up? So what do I say about that? Well,
Speaker 1: it speaks for itself. And then you've got these other
Speaker 1: these other groups and stuff. Look, you're group you watch
Speaker 1: about negative troll and I'm one of your moderators. I
Speaker 1: know that, Okay, I got that. We do try to
Speaker 1: keep our groups without negative trolls. It's hard enough for
Speaker 1: people who have actual experiences to come forward and talk
Speaker 1: about this stuff because, frankly, just like that guy five
Speaker 1: Mingo Park, they don't want their names put out there
Speaker 1: because they get derided for it. Okay, they get called
Speaker 1: nuts and every damn thing else. Okay, we don't want that.
Speaker 1: We want you to come forward because the more information
Speaker 1: we get, we can add to the general database and maybe,
Speaker 1: just maybe it'll help us in our investigations and get
Speaker 1: to the truth of the matter. Okay, but all this
Speaker 1: stuff is just muddying up the water around it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I look for the fact. What's the facts? Don't tell me? Like,
Speaker 1: just like I told you, I don't know what I
Speaker 1: saw at the park. I don't want my great grandson
Speaker 1: that I saw was standing there. It was pretty big.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a bear, but I can't
Speaker 1: say definitively. I'm not gonna jump to that conclusion. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: let me let me just change the subject. Now, we
Speaker 1: were talking about drones. Okay, so far, I've seen three
Speaker 1: drones up here. I have a very powerful handheld green
Speaker 1: laser goes about five miles. I didn't have it on
Speaker 1: me for the first two times I saw these drone.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in the Walmart parking lot for crying out loud,
Speaker 1: waiting for my wife, and it's nighttime and I see
Speaker 1: these things. I'm first I'm thinking are helicopters, And I'm
Speaker 1: looking and I'm looking. There's no other lights on it.
Speaker 1: They were trianglar in shape, two of them, and then
Speaker 1: they disappeared. But I took the last time I went,
Speaker 1: I took my green laser. Now I don't advise people
Speaker 1: to do this because it's pretty much against the law.
Speaker 1: If you get caught hitting a helicopter or a jet
Speaker 1: plane or a regular plane with it, you get in
Speaker 1: trouble with the FAA and the federal government. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there one night I saw this thing coming up
Speaker 1: over the hillside and there was three lights above Walmart,
Speaker 1: just three big bright lights in the shape of it
Speaker 1: looked like sort of a triangle, but maybe fifty feet across.
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't a helicopter. It was no sign,
Speaker 1: there were no word of running lights on whatsoever. What
Speaker 1: did I do? Stepped out of the car and I
Speaker 1: hit it with my green laser. Okay, it was probably
Speaker 1: I guess the top of that hill, maybe three hundred yards.
Speaker 1: And when I did, all three lights went out and
Speaker 1: it disappeared instantaneously. Okay, Now I've seen drones. I got
Speaker 1: a little drone here I haven't really messed with, but
Speaker 1: I've seen regular drones and stores and other people have.
Speaker 1: Our neighbor has a drone. He was out here the
Speaker 1: other day using his. But what I saw was not
Speaker 1: normal nor normal drunk. Now, I talked to Bill about this,
Speaker 1: and he says that the rumor was that somehow a
Speaker 1: nuke got missing and our government sent out these nuke
Speaker 1: detecting drones to try to locate it. Now, that's a
Speaker 1: nice cover story, but why worldwide?
Speaker 3: Right exactly?
Speaker 1: Now, I hate to use the word drone too, because
Speaker 1: let me see what let me just put it in
Speaker 1: Layman's arms. They're unidentified right, right, they're unidentified.
Speaker 3: There knows where they come from.
Speaker 1: They're flying right, they're flying right, unidentified and flying and
Speaker 1: they're an object. Right, Let's say, what is that? That's
Speaker 1: what is that? U f oh, Okay, that's what they are.
Speaker 1: We don't know what they are. And the government there's
Speaker 1: governors and states and mayors and cities, the one answers.
Speaker 1: They're demanding answers because they're saying it's a threat to
Speaker 1: national security. They've been over the Capitol for crying out loud.
Speaker 1: That's restricted airspace. They're over airports, that's restricted airspace. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're over nuclear sites, that's restricted air space. That's a
Speaker 1: threat to national security. If we can't if we can't
Speaker 1: control our skies, we're in deep doodoo. Okay, simple as that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick.
Speaker 2: I got to ask you now, regardless of I know
Speaker 2: how you feel on politics and where you stand with Trump,
Speaker 2: but I have come across it. It was just it
Speaker 2: was just a brief thing, but somebody it was a
Speaker 2: it was a video I came across a while back.
Speaker 2: Somebody had questioned Trump if he knew about what the
Speaker 2: drones were. Somebody had asked him, is it the government?
Speaker 2: And from briefly what I remember him quoting on that.
Speaker 1: He said, if it was a government, he said.
Speaker 2: We would know more about that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And he also went on to say, he says the
Speaker 2: government if they wanted to find out who the government himself,
Speaker 2: they have the ability to basically basically, with our technology,
Speaker 2: we could look inside. If you have a garage, we
Speaker 2: could look inside your house, you know, to find out
Speaker 2: what something came from.
Speaker 3: Ut So, but he didn't say too much about it.
Speaker 3: But I remember a video again.
Speaker 2: Trump responding to a question when somebody questioned him about
Speaker 2: the drones.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, I don't know. I mean, do you
Speaker 3: think it's from the government. I mean, could it be?
Speaker 2: I mean because I mean, basically, again, if it was
Speaker 2: something to be concerned about. I mean again, I mean
Speaker 2: Trump's not in office quite yet. But yeah, he was
Speaker 2: just basically quoting basically what he knew about the government.
Speaker 3: Again, if it was our government, I think we.
Speaker 2: Would know more about it. I don't know, but yeah,
Speaker 2: what's your take on that?
Speaker 1: Well, let me just say this, Uh, first of all,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter, God rest his soul. And Ronald Reagan, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: of all seeing a UFO. Okay. Bill Clinton wanted to
Speaker 1: try to bring it out in the open, and he
Speaker 1: got shut down for it. Okay, because it's something called
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Or if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you're not aware of something, you have culpable it's
Speaker 1: you have deniable plausible deniability. Okay, right now, what I
Speaker 1: think it is? I think right now the government is
Speaker 1: trying to take and kind of side step back in
Speaker 1: the day, they were calling UFOs in the sixties, swamp
Speaker 1: gas balloons, that kind of stuff. Okay, misidentifications, that birds,
Speaker 1: all that. So they were trying to like side step
Speaker 1: it and make it look like something more realistic. What
Speaker 1: I think is happening is that the government might be
Speaker 1: putting some drones up themselves to try to say, well,
Speaker 1: there are drones, because they don't really know what the
Speaker 1: other things are. They don't behave like normal drones. I mean,
Speaker 1: there were supposedly fifty fifty so called drones coming up
Speaker 1: out of the ocean. We don't have a drone that
Speaker 1: can come up out of the ocean. They use propellers. Okay,
Speaker 1: how did fifty drones come up out of the ocean? Okay,
Speaker 1: and it's just off the coast of New York. See,
Speaker 1: they were conductent. There's a I understand there's a military
Speaker 1: Navy task force off there, and they were shooting at
Speaker 1: something over the ocean. Okay, what are they shooting at? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's keep it real here. The government will do everything
Speaker 1: they can to get disclosure from coming out. Okay, what
Speaker 1: they might do they might put them drones up themselves
Speaker 1: and deliberately crash the drones, saying, see, it was one
Speaker 1: of ours. We don't want anybody to know because we're
Speaker 1: doing this and this and that. But let's keep it real.
Speaker 1: These aren't they're using this nice word drone. Now it's
Speaker 1: a u f O unidentified. It's flying with an object. Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't know what it is. During the Second World War,
Speaker 1: fighter planes and bombers would see something called food fighters
Speaker 1: and the description would match basically, what did these so
Speaker 1: called drones are today? Orbes have been seen the Rendalstrom
Speaker 1: case in England then, not only did a UFO land
Speaker 1: there at Renderstrom Base outside of uh and Rendilstrom Forest okay,
Speaker 1: saw seen by lieutenant colonel and a bunch of military police,
Speaker 1: but they're orbs also seen around it. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: just keep it real here. They're not identified flying objects.
Speaker 1: Let's keep it real now. If one does crash, then
Speaker 1: the government can say, yeah, we were doing covert operations
Speaker 1: looking for this or that, but not worldwide. Okay, not worldwide. Okay.
Speaker 1: So my take on is this the government probably will
Speaker 1: try to take inside step it by saying they have
Speaker 1: that third drones if it comes out to that point.
Speaker 1: But I think what it is. I think there's been
Speaker 1: mass sightings in Mexico a so called drones, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say UFOs, Okay, a lot of them in Mexico
Speaker 1: for some strange reasons. The Mexican government, the Peruvian government
Speaker 1: are openly trying to find out what these things, are
Speaker 1: openly doing it. They're acknowledging these things, okay. The Belgian
Speaker 1: government is acknowledging these things. Okay. Other governments around the world,
Speaker 1: which are more open to talking about are acknowledging these things.
Speaker 1: Our government seems to try to be keeping things secret.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's China, right, Okay. They're moving in
Speaker 1: non aerodynamic waves. They're doing things that normal drones can't do,
Speaker 1: right angle, turns up and down that fast, disappearing at
Speaker 1: hyper at super speeds. We don't have anything like that
Speaker 1: I'm aware of. That's light years ahead of what we got.
Speaker 1: They can outrun planes, are you kidding me? Our jet
Speaker 1: fighters can go walk two point two or more. That's
Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen hundred miles an hour. Our drones are I
Speaker 1: think it's five hundred feet is the limit. We're allowed
Speaker 1: to have drones running around them. You know, people have
Speaker 1: owned drones five hundred feet. I think it's the limit.
Speaker 1: We don't have a drone like that, nothing that big.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine sent me a picture of supposed
Speaker 1: drone with three legs, triangular in shape and outside of Parkersburg,
Speaker 1: West Virginia and broad daylight on the back of a
Speaker 1: flat back truck. What the heck it's it was blue.
Speaker 1: It's nothing like I heard at three legs. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know who I'm talking about, but I'll
Speaker 1: talk to you privately about it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to It sounds familiar, Yeah it's okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: But I think what it is. I think these I
Speaker 1: think something's going to happen. I'm not sure what is.
Speaker 1: Because these these things are becoming more and more open,
Speaker 1: they're showing themselves a lot more. I mean, all around
Speaker 1: the world, okay, and because of the war in Ukraine
Speaker 1: and the escalating tensions between Russia, China and US. Okay,
Speaker 1: it seems like when these so called UFOs show up,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call them UFOs. I'm not gonna call them drums. Okay,
Speaker 1: they do so in times of conflict. Okay, and now
Speaker 1: they've been seen over our nuclear sites. That's the number one,
Speaker 1: top priority, top secret bases we have. Anything flying over
Speaker 1: our nuclear bases is a threat to national security. And
Speaker 1: you know the story about it where they interview people
Speaker 1: that were in one of these bunkers underground and the
Speaker 1: ICBMs got set to launch and then got turned off
Speaker 1: by a so called UFOs hovering nearby. What does that
Speaker 1: tell you they have an extraordinary capability to shut our
Speaker 1: nukes off? Really? Why they're telling us something? If you
Speaker 1: launch them at anybody or use, we can shut it down.
Speaker 1: So these things are being in over high security areas, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's keep it real. I don't I know people call
Speaker 1: them drones. I'm not going to call them drones anymore.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what a drone looks like. These
Speaker 1: are not drones. What I saw was not drunks. Three
Speaker 1: times okay. So but here's the thing too, Dan Again,
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't say, well I've never seen one. Well,
Speaker 1: they're not looking. Most people have their heads down on
Speaker 1: a phone, or they're driving or doing their mundane activities
Speaker 1: routine going to and from work. When you're doing your
Speaker 1: Amazon deliveries. How much time you have to pay attention
Speaker 1: to what's going on in the skies next to the
Speaker 1: otherwise crash? What all them packages you are supposed to
Speaker 1: deliver to me? Right? So you know that million dollars,
Speaker 1: I got a million dollars coming from me. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, I I believe that the government has
Speaker 1: some drones up, but they're trying to like make it
Speaker 1: look like all the drones are related to them in
Speaker 1: some way, shape or formatives the saying yeah where they
Speaker 1: don't know they they think there are drones, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: they're not, they're drunes. There's something else, Okay, just like yeah,
Speaker 1: this past summer about the Chinese balloon that came over,
Speaker 1: remember that story. Yeah right, yeah, come on. But so, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's the other thing. We have no rat North American
Speaker 1: Defense Air Defense Command. No RAT can tell you when
Speaker 1: a bug is flying into the windshield of a plane. Okay,
Speaker 1: that we have technology, That's what I'm getting at it.
Speaker 1: That's sophisticated. We can see something flying in the air.
Speaker 1: In fact, there's been pictures of the UFO taken from
Speaker 1: above from a satellite we have up showing an UFO
Speaker 1: flying down below. It's one of the best pictures ever
Speaker 1: of a silver one. Okay, the astronauts on these the
Speaker 1: space station of seeing UFOs. Let's keep it real. The
Speaker 1: aspennauts that went to the Moon said they saw UFOs
Speaker 1: on the Moon, three of them there.
Speaker 4: Okay, look, I mean the US Air Force, and they
Speaker 4: brought all claims US pursuing UFOs. You know, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's there's stuff out there, and not to mention, one
Speaker 4: thing I wanted to bring up to you is that,
Speaker 4: you know, like I've been trying to pay attention to
Speaker 4: what's being put out there and you know, but without
Speaker 4: trying to read too far into it, but there's ferries
Speaker 4: that some of these drones are also spraying stuff into
Speaker 4: our atmosphere and spraying our feet with tens that could
Speaker 4: affect or what would be like the biggest thing. Like
Speaker 4: one of the latest things that I came across is okay,
Speaker 4: the bird flew again. Okay, I never really paid.
Speaker 1: Attention to that.
Speaker 2: But some of these so called drones are putting chemicals
Speaker 2: into our food source. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you something that happened back
Speaker 1: in the Dark Ages, during the Black Plague. Okay, people
Speaker 1: weren't sophisticated technologically. They knew they didn't really have science
Speaker 1: per se. It was all spiritualism, mysticism, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: There were accounts of something spraying a green miss onto
Speaker 1: the countryside, okay, to kill kill people. It killed about
Speaker 1: us third of the people in Europe. Okay. And people
Speaker 1: were so uh technological technological, they would flagellate themselves, thinking
Speaker 1: that by doing that, you know, burn, whipping themselves bloody,
Speaker 1: that scare away. They use encense to get away from
Speaker 1: the stink. They thought that was scared away and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Other people had more sense, like the monks.
Speaker 1: They walled, they locked themselves up in there and their
Speaker 1: h their their churches and stuff, and a lot of
Speaker 1: them survived because of that. Okay, but there's stories going
Speaker 1: back about that. But something being sprayed green spray during
Speaker 1: the Dark Ages, the medieval times, where people weren't aware
Speaker 1: of what's going on, okay, uh back then as well.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this. Our terminology are the technical
Speaker 1: terminology we use nowadays. We call them rockets, UFOs electricity.
Speaker 1: Ancient man or early man didn't have that type of
Speaker 1: that wording. Okay, so instead of a flying soft we
Speaker 1: didn't say it was it was a shield flying in
Speaker 1: the sky. Got it. They knew what a shield was,
Speaker 1: so they saw their shields in the sky or cross
Speaker 1: in the sky. Let me just tell you this. During
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, there was two empires in Rome. One
Speaker 1: main empire was in Roman Italy and the other one Carthaginian. Okay,
Speaker 1: and there was two emperors. Okay, so the western emperor
Speaker 1: in Rome wanted to go for some reason, he wanted
Speaker 1: to fight against the other emperor. Okay, Constantino, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but they were pagans. Okay, both sides were pagans. Christianity
Speaker 1: just started back in those times, right, and the Christians
Speaker 1: were put to death and all kinds of horrible stuff
Speaker 1: will happened to them. But when the Roman emperor went
Speaker 1: over there and he saw this burning cross in the
Speaker 1: sky that was shaped like a cross which could have
Speaker 1: been an aircraft, he thought was the christ Cross. That
Speaker 1: he converted the entire Roman Empire to Catholicism. See how
Speaker 1: people are okay, Oh yeah, so you got to dig,
Speaker 1: like I said, when you do research into the pair
Speaker 1: or normal Okay, the paranormal is is the normal. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's things going on around us right now. I like ghosts. Okay, well, well,
Speaker 1: I just want to touch on this because I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to burn your ear up. But you know, get
Speaker 1: some duc take next time. Oh no, no, no, let
Speaker 1: me tell you.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have you on Verde soon again.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. My wife and I went
Speaker 1: down a couple of months ago to uh nim Micole
Speaker 1: and Castle in Brownsville. It's the third most haunted place
Speaker 1: in the country. Okay, And as a paranormal investigator, I
Speaker 1: asked them, can I bring my EVP meter and stuff? No,
Speaker 1: we don't want you to doing that. I said, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but I did take my phone, and so to my wife.
Speaker 1: I was the only paranormal investigator's probably what fifteen people there,
Speaker 1: something like that. So we go in and the four
Speaker 1: guy's taking us around, and I have a feeling about
Speaker 1: things because I've I've been in a lot of places
Speaker 1: are haunted. We have three ghosts or so in our
Speaker 1: house right now where we're living. They don't bother us.
Speaker 1: I don't bother them anyhow. So we go in and
Speaker 1: I had this innery feeling. While my wife's in the room.
Speaker 1: They're talking to this guy's telling a story about a
Speaker 1: little boy and girl who are ghosts. They run up
Speaker 1: down that hallway behind my back. So I just turned
Speaker 1: around to look, and I saw a head disappear in
Speaker 1: a turret, you know, one of the castle's turrets. So
Speaker 1: I turned around and I looked, and I started snapping pictures.
Speaker 1: I got four pictures of ghosts. Four clearly shows a
Speaker 1: little boy hiding in a corner, gray head, mouth open,
Speaker 1: eyes open, trying to hide to the side. I got
Speaker 1: another picture where two green eyes are looking at me
Speaker 1: from the side of a mirror. Another one where two
Speaker 1: fingers are opening a door. Right, So, okay, so it's
Speaker 1: you gotta pay attention to what's going on around you, okay. So,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't even looking for ghosts. I was just
Speaker 1: there and they then they invited me to come back
Speaker 1: and spend the night there. I said i'd do it
Speaker 1: sometime soon, which I'm going to I'll spend I'll go
Speaker 1: there by myself. I don't mind unless you want to
Speaker 1: go with me too, Dan.
Speaker 2: I'm down, Yeah, yeah, hell yeah, why not?
Speaker 1: Like I said, you saw UFOs you saw two foe
Speaker 1: and I'm glad you were with me, and the you
Speaker 1: and the other investigator were with us. There was three
Speaker 1: of us that saw them. So yeah, I'm not making
Speaker 1: it up. I've seen ten in my life.
Speaker 3: Well, hey, not to mention.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard some of my stories.
Speaker 2: When I was up in Pennsylvania, I've seen some things
Speaker 2: up there that I can't explain. So, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll be more than glad to talk to you on
Speaker 2: another note. But yeah, I have seen some strange things
Speaker 2: when I was staying in Pennsylvania up in the sky.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go to the Walmart parking lot, you're
Speaker 1: going to see a lot of strange things too. So
Speaker 1: I'm telling me, I believe that people where they dress
Speaker 1: and carry on. Oh my god. But anyhow, let me
Speaker 1: just tell you about here, and uh, you know about
Speaker 1: the UFO on the on the California Rich Road. I
Speaker 1: told you about that. I actually took you and Dan
Speaker 1: and the other investigator there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that, and I've seen your pictures.
Speaker 1: Right there's a balley down below that and right across
Speaker 1: Marus Cres and Heights. Right across Marus Cres and Heights,
Speaker 1: so they're using that valley to travel back and forth
Speaker 1: because there's no one goes down there now. And there's
Speaker 1: another man you met, the guy who owns the property. Now,
Speaker 1: he's got a bunch of big boulders he got up there.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna block that area off. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask to go up there and camp some night
Speaker 1: and when the weather gets better. But if you're interested
Speaker 1: in you and and Ron wants with me, an he
Speaker 1: ices he wants me to teach you. But I was
Speaker 1: going to suggest something to you. I have a good friend,
Speaker 1: Jeremiah Horseman. He lives in Sedona, Arizona. I personally trained him.
Speaker 1: He was the one whose family had the first big
Speaker 1: food siding I was on in McMurray, Pa. Uh. He's
Speaker 1: been out there near Area fifty one, blind Frog Ranch,
Speaker 1: the Hidden Camp, the Secret Canyon, and they've been seeing orbs,
Speaker 1: UFOs and military conboys disappearing into a canyon down there.
Speaker 1: I would suggest, and I'm gonna if you don't mind,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him a hauler and ask him
Speaker 1: to contact you so you can have him on the show.
Speaker 1: He's a very knowledgeable young man, you know, and he's
Speaker 1: really good at what he does, and I'm very proud
Speaker 1: of him. So with that being said, if it's okay
Speaker 1: with you, I'm going to kind of cut this short.
Speaker 1: So it's nine thirty four and I talked your ear off.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, and I'll let just go for now, But
Speaker 1: if you want me back, I'll be more happy to
Speaker 1: come back and continue this because I got lots of share.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: By all means yes, absolutely, because I was gonna actually
Speaker 2: ask you if you I wanted to do an open
Speaker 2: discussion with you, perhaps Bill Rigby and Ron House and
Speaker 2: you know, kind of get into an all open discussion
Speaker 2: all the way around.
Speaker 1: I think this would be a great discussion.
Speaker 3: To go on even further.
Speaker 1: We all have a lot of discuss and share. So
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, those guys are all really good
Speaker 1: at what they do and stuff. And like I said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people in this field, well there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people in this field period that don't
Speaker 1: know what they're doing. They don't know how to do
Speaker 1: proper investigations. My father was a chief of police where
Speaker 1: I lived for years, and a deputy sheriff and a constable,
Speaker 1: and he taught me a lot of for investigative techniques
Speaker 1: which I apply to what I do. I'm very fact based,
Speaker 1: very scientific based, but sometimes Dan, as you know, you
Speaker 1: have to think outside the box, okay, and sometimes in
Speaker 1: the scientific method you have to be able to reprove
Speaker 1: things over and over again to show people it's real.
Speaker 1: Like they established scientific community. They want repeatable proof. Well,
Speaker 1: I can't make a UFO appear at my whim. I
Speaker 1: can't make a big foot suddenly appear and say yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big foot and John saw me and all
Speaker 1: this and that. So you have to think outside the box.
Speaker 1: What can I do to try to capture a picture
Speaker 1: of a big foot? And even even the best pictures
Speaker 1: nowadays are you know yourself. You can generate any kind
Speaker 1: of AI generated picture, you know, and they're pretty much
Speaker 1: money about it, you know. And I get mad when
Speaker 1: I see pictures also of people taking pictures of foliage
Speaker 1: and putting red circles around things and saying there's a
Speaker 1: big foot right there. No, there's not a big foot.
Speaker 3: No, that's big Yeah. I've been seeing that bs for
Speaker 3: years now.
Speaker 2: That technology AI, for example, has taken over, I mean
Speaker 2: AI technology has even put celebrities like I see these
Speaker 2: certain particular celebrity actresses and models and people people post
Speaker 2: stuff and it's unbelievable. I mean, yeah, we already know
Speaker 2: this particular celebrity or actress that we know of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a very pretty person.
Speaker 2: But you know, when you're going to use technology to
Speaker 2: promote stuff, yeah, I mean, oh, not to mention all
Speaker 2: these TV movie there's so many fake pages out there
Speaker 2: on social media Facebook for example, and I've spoken about
Speaker 2: it and I made a post about it not long ago.
Speaker 2: But there's all these alleged TV titles, the movie titles,
Speaker 2: and they're using these images that I mean, there's there's
Speaker 2: there's all these different aips. Yeah, you could pay for them,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure there is people that pay for them
Speaker 2: to create content for these pages and movie title pages,
Speaker 2: and it's all fake.
Speaker 1: It's fake.
Speaker 3: It's not real.
Speaker 2: I mean there's yeah, there's certain movies that we would
Speaker 2: love to see with another sequel or another follow up,
Speaker 2: you know. But so with that being said, you look
Speaker 2: at the comments, so people like, yeah, they can't wait
Speaker 2: to see this, or man, you know.
Speaker 3: I'm finally there's one thing. I am finally.
Speaker 2: Starting to see that there's people speaking up and posting
Speaker 2: their comments about how fake it is and you know
Speaker 2: this is all AI created, and stop going along, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to warn the others stop following the stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's just it's rage.
Speaker 1: That's outraging. That's what I was saying earlier. That's what
Speaker 1: it's doing. It's money in the waters for people who
Speaker 1: are actually they had really starty. And when these groups,
Speaker 1: they're more sad, they're more content to take and have
Speaker 1: a quality quantity of people on their group so they
Speaker 1: can get money or no personal fame and notoriety rather
Speaker 1: than get quality people in the group. And as I said,
Speaker 1: most people themselves are afraid to come forward generally for
Speaker 1: fear of derision, so they look for groups that you
Speaker 1: usually talk to somebody about about this stuff without getting
Speaker 1: put down or saying you're a liar, you're not whatever,
Speaker 1: but whatever, because they haven't seen nothing. Okay, that's that's all.
Speaker 1: And then you got these Look, I don't mind if
Speaker 1: you're gonna I don't mind vendors to go to these
Speaker 1: places and stuff. I'm gonna be vending too with my
Speaker 1: wife and and and so, and you and other guys
Speaker 1: do some vending too. But I don't go out there,
Speaker 1: and there's never been a case I've ever charged one
Speaker 1: penny to investigate, not one. Okay. The reason I do
Speaker 1: this is because the things I saw when I was young.
Speaker 1: The reason I do this is because I want answers.
Speaker 1: And that's why I call myself an explorer of the unknown.
Speaker 1: I want to make the unknown known. And at my age,
Speaker 1: I may not I may be dead before you know.
Speaker 1: So it's up to younger people like yourself to do this. Okay,
Speaker 1: continue to work, but we have to lay the groundwork
Speaker 1: for others that are going to come after us. You know,
Speaker 1: there's an old saying that we stand on the shoulders
Speaker 1: of the giants that came before us, meaning advancements and
Speaker 1: technology in the medical industry and science. Okay, we do
Speaker 1: stand on those shoulders like Copernicus and Galileo and these
Speaker 1: types of people they were. They were criticized and put
Speaker 1: down and tortured and you know, murdered even for these
Speaker 1: for this coming forward with the facts, with the truth,
Speaker 1: I hopefully it doesn't come to us. But again, the
Speaker 1: waters are getting muddied by these shows that you see
Speaker 1: on TV. I mean there was one on tonight. It's
Speaker 1: the same thing. There's nothing comes out of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: then you have people were charging five eight thousand dollars
Speaker 1: or more for public appearances to show up. Give me
Speaker 1: a break. If you're that interest, you're going to show up, y'all,
Speaker 1: I'll give you an appearance speed, but it's not it's
Speaker 1: gonna be your hotel room and maybe a plane ticket
Speaker 1: to come. Okay, I'm not going to get you five
Speaker 1: or eight two thousand dollars. Give me a break, Okay,
Speaker 1: do because you love it. Do because you want answers
Speaker 1: that I got. With that, I got to say, I
Speaker 1: want to go right now because I'm tired. But uh,
Speaker 1: no problem, I.
Speaker 3: Completely understand.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: With that being said, like, I've been.
Speaker 1: Invited to a couple of events this coming year.
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean I cover my lodging, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not going to get too far into it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, they agreed to cover my lodging. They want
Speaker 2: me a very speaker. You know.
Speaker 1: That's fine, you.
Speaker 2: Know, and then you know, if it's misscellaneous expenses, I
Speaker 2: throw it out there straight out. I want to be
Speaker 2: able to be there for these events. They share my
Speaker 2: knowledge and my opinion on different things.
Speaker 3: And spread awareness. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2: About who I am and what I put out there.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm big on spreading awareness, but you know what,
Speaker 2: you know, I can't afford it out of my own pocket,
Speaker 2: so so I do throw Hey, if you can cover this,
Speaker 2: cover that, Hey, I'll be there, you know.
Speaker 3: So, But I also limited my time.
Speaker 2: Being at these certain events because you know, I have
Speaker 2: so much other going so much other things going on,
Speaker 2: like I got group camp outs I host, you know,
Speaker 2: and now I have the filming project I'm putting out there.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm using that or also the spread awareness
Speaker 2: about what.
Speaker 1: We do and who we are, you know.
Speaker 2: And if we show evidence and we have something to show, heay,
Speaker 2: we're going to show it.
Speaker 3: You know. We're unscripted.
Speaker 2: We're not going to be out there like all these
Speaker 2: other TV shows and personalities you know, or you know
Speaker 2: it's going to.
Speaker 1: Be I'm not going to get rich of doing this obviously,
Speaker 1: you know. And now I'm not gonna I don't I'm
Speaker 1: not famous or I mean, the people that know know
Speaker 1: me that they know what I'm about. They know that
Speaker 1: I'm serious about this stuff. But the thing is this,
Speaker 1: I'm not in it for anything else other than the knowledge,
Speaker 1: because I want to know my wife. I'm a curious guy.
Speaker 1: I'm like a bulldog. I get it on any start
Speaker 1: and I want to worry it to death. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I mean, I just want some credible people
Speaker 1: to take this matter seriously and stop the stop the nonsense,
Speaker 1: to stop money in the water, so people like yourself
Speaker 1: and me and other guys go out there and do
Speaker 1: the job we need to do without being put down.
Speaker 3: I gotta go, not a problem, not a problem.
Speaker 2: And I want to thank you for jumping on here
Speaker 2: and just let you know we are going to have
Speaker 2: you on here very soon again.
Speaker 3: We're going to do a group.
Speaker 2: Discussion and for those who are listening, you're in for
Speaker 2: a treat for what's coming up next. I hope you
Speaker 2: enjoyed what was going on and what we're discussed tonight.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, John, thank you for coming on here.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we are going to have some more
Speaker 2: coming up here very soon. I'll connect with you on
Speaker 2: whenever he agreed on a certain day or time, we'll
Speaker 2: do this again.
Speaker 3: And but yeah, I does anything.
Speaker 2: Else out there you want to throw out there for
Speaker 2: the public to know, feel free to go ahead and
Speaker 2: share that.
Speaker 1: Now, open your eyes and look around. Okay, it's not
Speaker 1: all about your cell phone. It's about getting out there
Speaker 1: and taking a look. And before you have a chance
Speaker 1: to say something doesn't exist, check it out yourself. And
Speaker 1: if you see something, say something simple as that you
Speaker 1: know there's a four. There are different forms for people
Speaker 1: to you know, do experience these types of things, to
Speaker 1: talk on and share their experiences. Okay, And some of
Speaker 1: those guys I just mentioned, I'm gonna mention you give them,
Speaker 1: give them a plug. You got Bill Rigby and the
Speaker 1: Agency of the Unexplained, you got ron Ron House. Okay,
Speaker 1: with this PTSD group and believe in yourself. You've got
Speaker 1: Mike Hartman. Okay, You've got Dan and E. C. B
Speaker 1: r O. Okay, Linda Eastburn, I'll give a shout out
Speaker 1: to her as well, you know, Linda Sigmund my friend
Speaker 1: to her. You have a good night, keep looking around
Speaker 1: and take this matter seriously. Absolutely absolutely, Thank you again. John.
Speaker 2: I appreciate everything. And if you guys are looking for
Speaker 2: events to join, to participate and check out. June twentieth
Speaker 2: and twenty first is the ECBRO Annual Virginia big Foot
Speaker 2: Conference and there's other events happening.
Speaker 1: In the month of June.
Speaker 2: The West Virginia big Foot Festival happening every June in
Speaker 2: the town of Sutton, West Virginia, which is also happening
Speaker 2: in June sixth, seventh, and eighth.
Speaker 3: Also in the.
Speaker 2: Month of June is the Forest County Bigfoot Festival happening.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I mixed the dates up.
Speaker 2: That's actually happened in June sixth, and seventh, and eighth.
Speaker 2: The West Virginia Bigfoot Festival is June twenty six, twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: and twenty eighth.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: But again, everybody continue to follow E. Cbr O Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Radio because we got a lot more coming. And thank
Speaker 2: you again, John. You have a good night and until
Speaker 2: next time. If anyone has any questions, feel free to
Speaker 2: shoot a message to ecb ro O ninety eight at
Speaker 2: gmail dot com if you want to share a story
Speaker 2: and talk Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: This is the radio for you.
Speaker 2: Thank you again and keep it squashing my friends.
Speaker 1: Night.