WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:05.200 It's nice eyes Dan, I'm telling you eazy Bodon's news. 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:10.240 Lady Ill thank you very much. I'm Morgan Morgan White Junior, 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.240 been a pound of the BZ fabric since nineteen ninety 4 00:00:13.320 --> 00:00:17.519 five or so. I am here tonight. I'll be here 5 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:22.280 for the next four nights Tomorrow, Friday, Monday, and Tuesday. 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.640 I do my own show on Saturday, beginning at nine 7 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:29.519 o'clock this week, and then until further notice the following week, 8 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:34.439 I begin at nine o'clock. Donna Helper is my guest and. 9 00:00:34.719 --> 00:00:40.119 True, it's true. Before we go anywhere else, we have 10 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:45.399 listeners who are just the best. Okay, I've had several 11 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:50.039 people message me on social media, and I thought of 12 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:52.240 it the moment we went to break. Don't you hate 13 00:00:52.240 --> 00:00:54.320 when that happens. You can't think of something, and then 14 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:56.479 we go to break. It's like, oh, yeah, I've got 15 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:59.159 the answer. The thing would meet me in Saint Louis. 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:03.840 The reason that she was sad was her father was 17 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:07.159 about to move to New York and she loved Saint 18 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:09.159 Louis and she didn't want to move to New York. 19 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:13.400 And hence she's singing the sad song and you know, 20 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.280 just in the end, she doesn't have to move to 21 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.480 New York. But at the time that was the big 22 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.400 trauma that she was so sad about having the possibility 23 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:24.599 that she would have to pack up, leave Saint Louis 24 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:25.599 and move to New York. 25 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:30.200 So people in Saint Louis had an opinion that the 26 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:31.920 people in New York would look down on. 27 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:34.719 Them, a bingo. Like you said, you were right about 28 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:36.959 the social class thing, but I could not, for the 29 00:01:37.159 --> 00:01:39.519 life of me think of the context. And it just 30 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.159 you know, sometimes that happens. So thank you to Billy, 31 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.439 and thank you to some of our other listeners who 32 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:50.519 messaged us about that. We're monitoring social media. So what 33 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:54.000 we're doing, what we've been doing last hour, we were 34 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:58.280 doing Christmas songs that mean something to you, or Christmas 35 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:02.439 movies or Christmas TV shows, and we got a lot 36 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:08.919 of good responses. But while we were doing that earlier today, 37 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:12.840 I'm reading the news, preparing to go on with Morgan tonight, 38 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:18.159 and I read that Bert died. No, not Burton, Ernie, 39 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:24.840 not Burton or any different Bert Bert crocodile, yeah, crocodile. 40 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:26.240 Yeah. 41 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.960 Burt was ninety years old. And if you have no 42 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:33.919 idea what I'm talking about. Remember the movie Crocodile Dundee, 43 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:36.919 nothing to do with Christmas. Okay, just change the subject 44 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:41.039 for a second. Crocodile Dundee nineteen eighty six. Paul Hogan 45 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:47.439 Bert the Crocodile was a real, honest, pieces crocodile, and 46 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:53.120 he just passed at the age of ninety. Okay, So 47 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:59.840 that set me to thinking how many TV shows and 48 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:06.120 movies had an animal as a central part of the cast. 49 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.080 I'm not just talking like, you know, side here, like, oh, 50 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.000 there's an animal. I'm talking like almost the star of 51 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:18.080 the show. Like when I grew up in the fifties 52 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:23.000 and sixties, I remember watching Lassie on TV. Okay, and 53 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:30.080 I remember watching Yes, Yes, Rin Tin Tin Yo, Yes, 54 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:34.199 and even The Lone Ranger with Hio Silver or oh 55 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:39.759 you know, some of you may remember a number of 56 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.840 movies or TV mister ed a Horse is a horse? 57 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:44.360 Of course, of course. 58 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:51.199 Spinoff of Francis the talking that was solute basic. 59 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:52.039 Yes. 60 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.639 So we can go in either direction. Okay. We can 61 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:01.120 either stay with Christmas songs and movies and stuff that 62 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:04.159 means something to you, or we can segue over to 63 00:04:05.319 --> 00:04:11.120 TV shows and movies that featured an animal in a 64 00:04:11.479 --> 00:04:12.879 prominent role. 65 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:17.759 Either was Crockatoo Fred Yeah, Fret the Corockatoo. 66 00:04:18.279 --> 00:04:21.480 Yep. Remember Doc Tory, which was on from sixty six 67 00:04:21.519 --> 00:04:27.160 to sixty nine. Remember Clarence Clarence Yan, Yes, oh lordy, 68 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:28.959 I remember Claren. 69 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.759 Rashell Thompson was a human star. Yeah, and the kids 70 00:04:32.800 --> 00:04:37.279 star later went on to go into Happy Days. Aaron 71 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:42.519 Moran at five or six years old. Yeah, on Doc Tory. 72 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:43.399 Yep. 73 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:49.720 Remember Old Yeller nineteen Best Parker, Best Parker And. 74 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:52.000 If they want to take you behind the barn dogs, 75 00:04:52.079 --> 00:04:52.519 don't go. 76 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:55.240 Don't go, Oh lordy. 77 00:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.519 So we hope we're bringing back some memories for some people. 78 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.839 Tony he's listening at home, and Tony says hello and 79 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:07.079 wishes everyone a happy holiday. Bill Winnaker the same way. 80 00:05:07.839 --> 00:05:11.199 So if you'd like to call in and talk about 81 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.920 either of those subjects, we would love to hear from you. 82 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:20.000 Let's take Mark from Newton. He's been holding about fifteen minutes. 83 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:21.480 So Mark, good evening. 84 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.160 Good evening, Happy Hanukah, Donna, Marry Christmas. Morgan. Always love 85 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:28.720 hearing both of you. Thank you, thank you, thank you. 86 00:05:29.839 --> 00:05:33.000 I've been a collector of Christmas music for most of 87 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:35.600 my fifty five years of life, and I have some 88 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:40.959 obscure ones for you. First off, the gentleman mentioned Scott, 89 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.439 have yourself a merry little Christmas. I believe I recently 90 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.279 heard the first lines were supposed to be have yourself 91 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:51.759 a merry little Christmas. It may be your last. 92 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:54.600 I don't think, having to do with the. 93 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:58.680 I heard, not the version I heard either, well. 94 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.199 That I believe was the that was the original lyrics, 95 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.680 and they felt it was too much of a downer, 96 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:08.920 so they changed it because I guess it may be 97 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:12.480 your last referred to the last Christmas in Saint Louis 98 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:16.319 before the move to New York, right, but I had 99 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:20.319 heard that anyway. Someone mentioned Paul Harvey. I don't know 100 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:23.560 if either of you have heard. He has one called 101 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:29.000 the Man and the Birds, Oh Christmas Recitation, which is 102 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:34.079 pretty amazing. I also think the c. W. McCall, who 103 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.839 did Convoy, he has a very poignant moving thing called 104 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:43.759 Sing Silent Night about all and that they were together 105 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:49.800 with their mother. Incredibly moving piece Sing Silent Night by c. W. McCall, 106 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:56.040 and also Carry Grant, the actor did one called Christmas Lullaby, 107 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.360 which is amazing I've heard that. 108 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:03.279 By the way, if I can segue back to something 109 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:07.959 you said, you mentioned that you had heard that the 110 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:12.920 lyrics were kind of dark in their original incarnation. That's 111 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:16.759 a story that comes from a guy named Hugh Martin 112 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.199 who was a friend of Judy Garland's. And this is 113 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:23.040 kind of like he heard it from a friend who 114 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:25.279 heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend. 115 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:29.879 So I don't know if that is exactly the case, 116 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:33.399 but I do know that, yes, the lyrics were changed 117 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:34.879 a couple of times. 118 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.240 And I believe they said he even Frank Sinatra updated 119 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:41.040 some lyrics. 120 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.360 Yes, yes, I've heard Franks. 121 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.560 There are some people who tried to modernize the lyrics 122 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:53.959 a little bit because they felt like it it sounded 123 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.480 too much tied to the movie, and they wanted to 124 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.720 make it a little bit more contemporary. And that happens 125 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.680 with pop songs all. 126 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:03.680 The time, exactly. 127 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.959 And one more for you, you might appreciate this. When Donna 128 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.800 the DJ William B. Williams as a Christmas recitation, I 129 00:08:11.879 --> 00:08:16.480 believe it's called a World to Grow Up in quite 130 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.319 a moving recitation. It's kind of like a little Vetchi's 131 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:23.000 Christmas book by Becky lamb. 132 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:29.000 Okay, that's possible. I vaguely remember hearing something like that, 133 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:32.440 but it has been a while, right, fifty. 134 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.559 Five you're very knowledgeable. Mark. Let me give you a 135 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:39.240 compliment at fifty five, you are a very knowledgeable man 136 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:42.440 of what came before you. A lot of people don't 137 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:47.279 thank you. Pay attention to the history of things absolutely, Dona, 138 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.000 Donn and I've been doing for our living for years. 139 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:53.759 But yep, because we're media historians, but not everyone is. 140 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.440 And when we see somebody do it, we need to 141 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.080 call him out and give him credit for that. 142 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:03.000 A round up clause to you, sir, Thank you so much. 143 00:09:03.360 --> 00:09:04.159 Thank you for the call. 144 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:06.559 Always a pleasure, be well. 145 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.679 Thank you you toobe hy here open line you want 146 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.320 to call six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty 147 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:17.000 or eight eight, eight nine to nineteen thirty. We welcome 148 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:20.120 you to do so. I'm about to take a break. Gary, 149 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:24.720 You'll be next here on night Side Time and temperature 150 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.960 eleven fifteen twenty nine degrees. 151 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:32.799 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World. 152 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.000 Nice sights to you on WBZ News Radio. 153 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:42.759 We are expanding our current subject to go from Christmas 154 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:46.919 based media songs, movies, TV, and. 155 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.240 To Well, you know what else is happening while we're expanding, 156 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.399 We're getting all of these messages on social media. I 157 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.679 am so pleased to see that all these nice folks 158 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:01.799 are finding out about your show, because no kidding, Live 159 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:06.240 live and local radio is a gift and we are 160 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.000 so glad to spend the evening with you nice folks. 161 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:15.080 So Heloda Carter and Heloda Bob and Heloda Aaron, and 162 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:17.720 you know, just this is so cool. I love this 163 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:18.679 all right now. 164 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:24.200 If you know this, Donald, don't answer. But in the 165 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:30.759 nineties there were two different TV series that each series 166 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:36.440 the lead character had a pet gator, a pet alligator 167 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:41.639 live and if you know the two, I don't want 168 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.399 just the one, I want the both of them. Call 169 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.600 in six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty or 170 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.360 eight eight eight nine two nineteen thirty. And here's a hint. 171 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:58.080 One was an adult male. One was a teenage. 172 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.879 Girl saying a word not. 173 00:11:02.960 --> 00:11:06.879 Let's go to Wooburn and speak to Gary, Gary, happy 174 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:07.600 holidays to you. 175 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:11.240 Well, I raally ain't working that good, so I won't 176 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.360 be able to get that question right and I won't 177 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.440 be able to get the answer. So next time you'll 178 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:19.919 tell me the answer, Morgan the animal, There's no question 179 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:22.279 the top three. It's got to be Flipper. 180 00:11:23.159 --> 00:11:28.919 M hm, absolutely, yes, everyone loves the King of the Sea. 181 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:30.120 I could keep going. 182 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:35.639 But nineteen sixty Ford in nineteen sixty seven NBC. 183 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:42.440 You want to know something ironic about Flipper? Tommy No, Yeah. 184 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:47.600 Tommy Norton in the original movie, which came on two 185 00:11:47.639 --> 00:11:53.080 years before the TV series, played Bud. There were two brothers, 186 00:11:53.559 --> 00:12:00.480 but and Sandy. But they had another person play Bud 187 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:04.320 on the TV series and the two brothers with Luke 188 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.120 Halprin and Tommy Norton. I forget who did which, but. 189 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.320 I always found that interesting, and I always found it 190 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:17.320 interesting that you had mostly female dolphins playing Flipper and 191 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:18.200 one male. 192 00:12:18.799 --> 00:12:23.200 Right like the dolphins for the dolphins. For the dolphins 193 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:27.080 that would swim around outside of the Orange Bowl where 194 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:28.960 they played back then, was. 195 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:30.679 Named Susie yep. 196 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:35.240 And in the movie with Jim Carrey, the dolphins name 197 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:36.080 was Snowflake. 198 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:36.960 Ah. 199 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:42.440 There you go. The things we wonder about. I wonder 200 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.519 how many people realized when they saw Lassie on TV 201 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.879 that it wasn't the same Lassie all the time, because 202 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.919 poor Lassie would have had to be three hundred and 203 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:50.960 seven years old. 204 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.000 No, so what else Gary? 205 00:12:55.519 --> 00:12:58.519 Well, as far as favorite Christmas song itself, what I mean, 206 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:02.200 we got all the traditionals, all this that. But as 207 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:06.919 Donna says, she's a big Rush fan. We know about 208 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:09.159 Bluce Springsteen with his Santa Claus Is Coming to. 209 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.480 Anta Claus Is Coming into a great song by the way, 210 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:15.159 nineteen eighty five, love it right, Well. 211 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:16.759 That should be on the radio every day of our lives. 212 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:20.320 Is unbelievable. But there's another Christmas song from a rock 213 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.519 and roll person. Donna knows what I'm talking about, and 214 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.799 it should be on every Christmas all the time, and 215 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:29.919 it's not. And it drives me crazy that it's not. 216 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:32.039 You have any idea, Donna. 217 00:13:32.360 --> 00:13:37.120 I have several ideas, But go ahead, well, yes, no, 218 00:13:37.279 --> 00:13:40.279 I don't want to guess wrong, and I don't want 219 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.159 to take away something that you had on your mind. 220 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:43.720 So go ahead. 221 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.840 Billy Squire yep, somebody mentioned it earlier. 222 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:50.480 I'm going to say I love you. 223 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:51.279 Yep. 224 00:13:51.360 --> 00:13:54.320 Somebody mentioned Billy Squire a little bit earlier. I've always 225 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:55.639 been a Billy Squire fan. 226 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:59.240 Now it is when you say Christmas is the time 227 00:13:59.240 --> 00:14:02.080 to say I love you. It's not a like romantic 228 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.159 song this that. It's a rock and song. 229 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:09.600 Absolutely. When I was in album rock, we always looked 230 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.399 for songs like that. That's why we liked Santa claus 231 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.320 Is Coming to Town because it wasn't some wimpy little song. 232 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.360 I mean, you could play it on album rock. 233 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:21.399 And one last note, a buddy of mine invited me 234 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:24.399 over for Christmas dinner and so forth. He's a single guy, 235 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:27.200 real nice guy, but he's very, very boring, and I 236 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.840 hate to hurt his feelings, right, So I told him no, 237 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.080 I'm gonna take a pass on coming over and having 238 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.080 dinner with you or whatever. But then watching some old 239 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.240 Bonnie Miller reruns. 240 00:14:36.919 --> 00:14:40.720 Yeah, that's Bonnie Miller stupid. 241 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:43.840 It was my own little stupid joke. 242 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:44.600 Mary Chris was. 243 00:14:44.679 --> 00:14:47.519 Okay, Happy holidays, Gary. 244 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:52.039 Bye bye. Gary's line is now open six four ten 245 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:55.639 thirty or eight eight, eight nine, nine ten thirty, And 246 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:58.600 we've got time to go to line to and speak 247 00:14:58.639 --> 00:14:59.879 to Sean in Boston. 248 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.879 Hello Sean, Hi, how are you? Morgan? 249 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:03.799 All right? 250 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.399 And you I'm doing good. I just wanted to call 251 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.759 up to make a clarification on the Judy Garland song. 252 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.759 Two years ago today, the Wall Street Journal had a 253 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.000 full article on that song, and it was very impressive 254 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.240 and emotional. It's both a micro level on a macro level. 255 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:25.639 The song was written before the movie came out, and 256 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.480 what it was about was World War Two, and that's 257 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:32.720 why the whole song is about like families being separated. 258 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:35.960 You know, your next door neighbor, mister O'Brien's kid who 259 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:40.559 was fighting in Italy. Your other next door neighbor, mister 260 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:43.759 Rizzo's kid was fighting in Japan against Japan and the 261 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:48.080 South Pacific. So that's why the lyrics were very melancholy. 262 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:50.879 And with that other caller said about the first line 263 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.600 being harsh, that was accurate, and it was because the 264 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.519 whole thing was about families being separated at World War Two. 265 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:01.200 Yes, yes, And then I've seen that interpretation. 266 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:05.240 Yes, and the movie did change some of the lyrics 267 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.039 to make it less harsh and melancholy. And you guys 268 00:16:08.039 --> 00:16:11.200 were close and the movie, what happens is they were 269 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:14.480 all moving from Saint Louis to New York. Judy Garland 270 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.120 gets engaged and then the father does about faith and 271 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.639 decides to stay in Saint Louis, but Judy Garland and 272 00:16:21.639 --> 00:16:25.440 her fiancee are still going to New York. So that's 273 00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:28.159 why it's really sad when she sings it, because she's 274 00:16:28.159 --> 00:16:30.480 singing it to her younger sister, and the last scene 275 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:34.600 of the movie and the younger sisters crying because her 276 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:38.200 older sister, Judy is moving all the way to New York, 277 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.320 so the lyrics double meaning. 278 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.159 Yes, my recollection. And again it's been a while since 279 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.039 I've seen it. I thought that she was upset because 280 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.799 her father had gotten a promotion and they were all 281 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:55.120 going to have to move to New York. But if 282 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.600 I'm misremembering, it wouldn't be. 283 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.639 The first time it was going to be that way. 284 00:17:01.679 --> 00:17:05.480 And then none of them want to leave, but yes, 285 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.359 that I remember, and then he the family persuaded the 286 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:14.400 father to stay, but she's still going, so I might 287 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:17.400 have had it backwards. But the thing is, Judy Garland's 288 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.079 going to be in either Saint Louis or New York, 289 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:21.319 and the rest of the family was in the other one. 290 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.119 I believe Judy was going to New York either way. 291 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:25.920 It's a really good movie. 292 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:29.519 Yeah, that's the point. Was in that scene, which is 293 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.880 a great scene the movie dated I saw it the 294 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:34.640 night after I read this Wall Street Journal article two 295 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.720 years ago today, because it was so impressive. Okay, Judy 296 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:41.240 Garland is moving away and the younger sister, Yeah, Judy 297 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:45.359 Garland was going to New York because the dialogue was like, 298 00:17:46.079 --> 00:17:48.200 we'd like to take everything, but we can't put your 299 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.599 snow people on the train. It's they'll melt. So Judy 300 00:17:51.599 --> 00:17:53.720 Garland was going to New York, and I believe in 301 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:56.039 the rest of the family was staying in Saint Louis. 302 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:56.359 Yep. 303 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.920 But the more important, the more impressive thing to me 304 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:05.200 was the lyrics captured the nation at that time. Oh absolutely, 305 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:07.960 about all the different families during World War two, and. 306 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.440 Yet it never mentions the war. But that's how people 307 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:13.200 that's how people heard it. 308 00:18:14.839 --> 00:18:18.720 Yes, and I don't remember exactly what lyrics were changed, 309 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.000 but it changed like four or five lines for Judy 310 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:21.759 Garland's version. 311 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:24.200 Yep, thank you. 312 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:25.160 Is there anything else? 313 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.440 Sean, Oh no, that's it. I'd say. One Christmas song 314 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.839 I always loved is when you were taking the input 315 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:35.759 for the favorite Christmas song, I always loved the baby 316 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:36.680 It's Cold Outside. 317 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.039 Oh absolutely, that was a hit. 318 00:18:39.200 --> 00:18:42.720 It was a huge change controversial. I started actually listening 319 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:43.640 to it more. 320 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:48.359 Right, But it became controversial later at the time, in 321 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.319 like nineteen fifty six. It came out originally in forty nine, 322 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:54.960 and then it was a hit again in fifty six. 323 00:18:55.440 --> 00:18:56.119 And I think. 324 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:59.000 People innocence innoce that was. 325 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:00.680 Exactly the point I was going to make. I think 326 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:02.920 people were a lot more innocent about it. They weren't 327 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:04.960 taking it like, oh, this is kind of creepy. 328 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:10.799 But with Dean Martin singing it, then people became aware 329 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.799 of their own interpretation running wild. 330 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:19.519 So yeah, I think I think it was very popular 331 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:22.599 until the woke police tried to kill it and cancel it. 332 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:23.559 Ah. 333 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:27.200 Yes, and no, people still play it. People still play it, 334 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:30.000 people still like it. But you know, you're always going 335 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:32.839 to get people interpreting songs in a certain way and 336 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.160 oh no, no, this is dirty or this is They 337 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.319 don't we didn't know from any of that when I 338 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:43.839 was growing up. I really don't think we did outside. 339 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.799 And I think the lyrics were a lot more relatable 340 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.720 back when it first came out because families all stayed 341 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:54.880 much closer together, where nowadays families are much more separated. 342 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:57.240 But back when that came out, like everyone had their 343 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:58.359 uncle down the street. 344 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:00.160 Oh yeah, brother. 345 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.680 By the way. In fairness, even back then, there were 346 00:20:05.720 --> 00:20:09.519 songs that had double meanings, double on tundras, that tried 347 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:13.599 to slip things by the sensors, and songs that were 348 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:16.720 getting in trouble. And it was when I was an 349 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.200 album rock. We used to go through this all the time. 350 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.119 With lyrics. You were always worried about that. The FCC 351 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.039 would you know, say that this particular lyrics we had 352 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:27.160 nothing to do with being woke. This was like nineteen 353 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:31.640 seventy and the FCC was upset. So you know, people 354 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.160 were always complaining about lyrics. 355 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.240 What winding station were you employed with? You heard you 356 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:39.559 mention that to a previous call. 357 00:20:40.240 --> 00:20:43.440 I was on the air for forty I have a 358 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.119 four decade career in broadcasting. I was on the air 359 00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:50.119 in Cleveland, in New York, in Washington, here, in Boston, 360 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.240 all over the place you name it. For a good chance, 361 00:20:54.319 --> 00:20:58.279 I was there. But long story better told some other time. 362 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:02.680 So Jim a couple of the Boston stations. Well, I 363 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:08.200 was on w on my radio at Northeastern. That's where 364 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:09.160 her career began. 365 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:12.119 Yep. I was the first woman in the history of 366 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:16.000 Northeastern University to be on the radio, and I worked 367 00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:21.079 at a small station in Cambridge, WCS long gone, and 368 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:24.759 then I went to WMMS in Cleveland, and then I 369 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.680 went to WRVR and w l i R in New York, 370 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:36.519 WAVA in Washington, DC. Back here to Boston, WHDH, et cetera, 371 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.200 and et cetera. Inducted into the Massachusetts Broadcasters Hall of 372 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:42.240 Fame last year. 373 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.039 Yes, I was there, and. 374 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:45.640 You was there. 375 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:46.839 I saw you there. 376 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:50.039 I said kind things about you into the microphone. 377 00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:50.519 Wow. 378 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.359 I couldn't believe that you did that. I really couldn't, 379 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:56.119 but I appreciate I would do the same for you. 380 00:21:56.799 --> 00:22:01.279 Oh, thank you. Maybe who knows but of her backstory 381 00:22:01.319 --> 00:22:02.160 for you, or. 382 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:06.160 You can just google www dot Donnahelper dot com. It'll 383 00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:07.079 tell you a little. 384 00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:11.000 More about me now and I'll investigate. 385 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.319 Thank you, sir, Happy happy holidays to you and family. 386 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.519 Much love, all right, thank you. 387 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.279 Open line six one, seven, two, five, four, ten, thirty, eight, eight, 388 00:22:20.359 --> 00:22:23.519 eight nine to nineteen thirty Jimmy, New Hampshire. We will 389 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.039 get to you after a commercial the two and news 390 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:30.279 here on Nightside. For the time is eleven thirty temperature 391 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:33.079 twenty nine degrees. 392 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:38.880 It's night side with Dan on WBZZY, Boston's news radio. 393 00:22:40.039 --> 00:22:46.119 We are talking about two things, your favorite Christmas blank 394 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:53.480 song movie, TV series and also animals from TV shows 395 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.079 that you may have loved. I'm gonna go way way 396 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.640 back and keep it kind of Mardern with these next 397 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:07.440 two examples. Data on Star Trek, he had a cat. Yep, 398 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:14.079 tell me the name of that cat? Uh not you. 399 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:22.000 This is for the whole audience. You tell people, and 400 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.359 this is for back in our day, the story of 401 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.720