WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.200 The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:29.399 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:38.960 The question why the stories told and left behind in 4 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:42.119 shadows where the truth we find? 5 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:50.719 They built their tales on crafts and lives on theories 6 00:00:50.799 --> 00:00:51.640 they stake there. 7 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:55.280 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 8 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:59.039 time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast. 9 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.719 I'm your host is always George Hobbes. I hope everybody 10 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.319 had a great weekend. As we record, it's Friday, October 11 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:09.959 the twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. It's about one pm 12 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:13.159 Eastern time, a beautiful fall day, and our guest Joel 13 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:15.359 is standing by. We'll get her to her in just 14 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.519 a moment. Just a couple of quick reminders. Please do 15 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:22.319 stop by the website. It is theflat earthfiles dot com. 16 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.040 Check out the chat room. Every episode goes in the 17 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:28.920 form of a blog post now when we put all 18 00:01:29.319 --> 00:01:32.519 the supporting documents, and if we reference a certain video, 19 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.120 we'll drop it there as well. At your one stop shop, 20 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:38.680 theflat earthfiles dot com. And of course, if you would 21 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:42.280 like to be a guest like Joel is today, please 22 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:46.560 do send us an email. It is fefilesguest at gmail 23 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:51.719 dot com, and I think we're ready to bring Joel on. Joel, 24 00:01:51.760 --> 00:01:52.640 how are you doing today? 25 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:56.400 I am doing great, George. I am so excited to 26 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:00.519 be on your podcast. Really, I need to contain myself 27 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.519 if I'm going to main and maintain any semblance here 28 00:02:03.920 --> 00:02:06.719 of decorum, because I really am just really thrilled to 29 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:07.159 be here. 30 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:11.560 I'm so thankful for your podcast. It really is one 31 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:12.159 of my favorites. 32 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:14.919 I'm a podcast junkie, and whenever I see you've got 33 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:16.960 a new one, I stop what I'm doing and I listen. 34 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.240 I just think you're such a gracious host, and you're 35 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.879 giving lots of people a place to talk about things 36 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:25.599 where they don't have that sometimes in their real life. 37 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:28.000 So kudos to you. I love what you're doing well. 38 00:02:28.039 --> 00:02:31.879 I appreciate that very much, and I should tip my 39 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.400 cap to you because you are also a podcast host. 40 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:39.280 Your podcast is entitled The Courage Contagian, which is such 41 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:44.039 a clever title, and folks, I have the link to 42 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.319 her podcast in the show notes, so please do check 43 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.879 it out. She started in April, some very interesting subject matter, 44 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.879 very high quality audio. I can't reinforce this enough she's 45 00:02:55.879 --> 00:02:58.560 such a great podcaster, and I think at the end 46 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.159 of this ninety minutes you will head over that way 47 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:03.919 to listen to her podcast. So Joelle, please do take 48 00:03:03.919 --> 00:03:06.199 a few moments and introduce yourself to the audience. 49 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:07.879 Sure thing will do. 50 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.639 And just a quick side note, I'm glad you liked 51 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:13.280 the name of the podcast. It wasn't my idea. The 52 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.240 Lord woke me up in the middle of the night 53 00:03:15.919 --> 00:03:19.039 with that name, and like any of my good ideas, 54 00:03:19.039 --> 00:03:21.560 they really come directly from the Lord, so just glory 55 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:21.919 to him. 56 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:24.319 That was his, So that's awesome. 57 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:29.520 My name is Joel. I'm from Minnesota in my early forties. 58 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:33.879 I've been married for twenty years to my wonderful, adventurous, 59 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:38.319 handsome husband. We celebrated twenty years this past summer. I 60 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.919 have three children, ages twelve, ten, and eight, and they 61 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.400 are the most spectacular children that have ever existed. I 62 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:49.439 know every mother says that, but they really they are 63 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.680 really special. So I'm just having the best time being 64 00:03:52.719 --> 00:03:56.439 with them. Before having my kids, I was a high 65 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:01.120 school English teacher. I taught primarily eleven and twelfth grade 66 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:07.080 classes in literature and writing and media and editing, so 67 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:08.719 I feel like, this is a way for me now 68 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:10.840 to kind of tap into some of those old skills 69 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:12.759 that I was able to put to use. But when 70 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:17.000 my son was born, I took a break and decided 71 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:21.000 to stay home and raise my kids in homeschool part time, 72 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:25.680 and I've just it's been such a blessing. Prior to that, 73 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:27.959 I think it's important to my story. I grew up 74 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.160 as a Baptist minister's daughter. So it was fun to 75 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.920 hear your guest last week. We have a lot of similarities. 76 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:41.279 Small town Yeah, small town pastor's kid, you know, just 77 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:46.879 a beautiful, beautiful upbringing. My parents gave us the best 78 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.399 gift ever, which was to introduce us to Jesus at 79 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:52.639 an early age, and we've been My sister and I've 80 00:04:52.680 --> 00:04:55.160 been walking with him ever since. So I know that's 81 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:58.560 not everybody's experience. Being a pastor's kid isn't easy for everybody, 82 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.360 and it can turn out sideways sometimes, but. 83 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:04.279 My experience was wonderful. 84 00:05:04.399 --> 00:05:06.439 The heritage handed down to my sister and I was 85 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:08.959 a beautiful thing, and we are trying to pass that 86 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.480 along to our children today. 87 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:14.240 So that's kind of where that leaves us. 88 00:05:15.720 --> 00:05:17.920 That's amazing, and that is something I was thinking about 89 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:20.680 when you were talking, because there have been so many examples, 90 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.839 and I know personally people who were you know, preacher's 91 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.319 daughters sons that have I don't know if it's just 92 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:31.000 the automatic rebellion being in school with people who are 93 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.040 not of the same mindset and it's you know, natural 94 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:37.480 for a teenager to rebel, but that's amazing that you 95 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:40.600 were able to walk the narrow path, as they say. 96 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:42.920 The other thing I did want to kind of pick 97 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.519 your brain about briefly before we get to your journey. 98 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.319 What was Were you on a public school system or 99 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:49.519 a private school system? 100 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.720 Yes, public school all the way, so, but my mom 101 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.480 stayed home with us, you know, she wasn't working when 102 00:05:57.480 --> 00:05:59.639 we were young, and so I had that was different. 103 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:01.240 You know when the eighties a lot of moms were 104 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.040 out of the house. So I had that public school 105 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.480 all the way. And then it became a public school 106 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:08.240 teacher and so going to Okay, that's what you're referring to. 107 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:11.600 It's a public school teacher. Yeah, and that the curriculum. 108 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:14.360 I know every state's different to a certain extent, but 109 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:17.279 what did you think what was your experience. 110 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:25.600 In regards to flatter specifically, or just social issues exactly. Yeah, 111 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:29.399 I think, you know, I've been out of the educational 112 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.920 system for twelve years, and so much has happened in 113 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:34.399 those twelve years that I can't imagine what it must 114 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:35.839 be like for public school teachers. 115 00:06:36.040 --> 00:06:36.360 Now. 116 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:41.120 However, I was starting to see some cracks in just 117 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:45.439 the way that we did things. I mean, just practically speaking, 118 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.720 it's not the best model for a child. It's not 119 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.600 individualized learning. It's basically, you know, I don't want to 120 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:54.319 speak too strongly, it's kind of a prison where we 121 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:56.480 forced kids to sit in a seat and do the 122 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:01.160 same thing and expect the same outcomes. And when I 123 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:03.160 decided to homeschool my own children, it came as a 124 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.560 surprise to me because my husband was homeschooled and I 125 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:08.079 was public school. So it was a surprise, but I 126 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.800 think I had seen the inside of it enough to 127 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:13.680 know that there's a better way to do this. We 128 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.720 can be a lot more effective. And I just wanted 129 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:17.560 more time with my kids too, and I got that, 130 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:20.879 And so I mean, if you can homeschool, it's just 131 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:24.120 such a beautiful it's a beautiful thing for both parent 132 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.279 and child. So I wasn't dealing with a lot of 133 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.439 the social issues back then, but certainly just pragmatically, it 134 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.759 wasn't the best methodology, perfectly stated. 135 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.920 Let's get into your journey to the truth. I always 136 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:39.759 like to put it. You know, at what point in 137 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.600 your life did you start to realize that what the 138 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:47.360 guy on the news or whatever you know said you 139 00:07:47.360 --> 00:07:50.120 didn't quite buy into. Was it COVID or was it 140 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:50.759 before that? 141 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:57.920 Sure, you know, I actually attribute my awakening to the 142 00:07:57.959 --> 00:08:01.240 birth of my three children, which I know sounds odd, 143 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.279 and hopefully I'll be able to explain that as we go. 144 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.360 But I, as you say, George, was a complete normy. 145 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:10.759 I mean, I just didn't know that there was a 146 00:08:10.759 --> 00:08:13.120 different way of thinking about things. And so, as I 147 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:15.439 was teaching in the public school, I was pregnant with 148 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:16.959 my first child. I was planning on going to the 149 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.319 hospital and having a normal birth. And in my mind 150 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.160 that meant I go to the hospital, I get the epidural, 151 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:23.600 the doctor does all the work, I come home with 152 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:27.720 the baby. And as any woman who's had a child knows, 153 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:30.199 that's not really how it works. You don't go to 154 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.080 the hospital and they produce this thing for you. You 155 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:33.480 still have to do all this work. And so that 156 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:35.960 was kind of the first chink in the armor, so 157 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:39.519 to speak, of my mainstream thought. It just didn't go 158 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:42.600 well my birth. I mean, it didn't go horribly, wasn't traumatic, 159 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:45.600 but it just was it wasn't as easy and perfect 160 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:47.080 as everyone said it was going to be. And so 161 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:49.519 by the time I was having my second child, I 162 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:51.919 had friends who were in natural medicine saying, are you 163 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:54.159 going to consider a doula or doing natural birth? 164 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.080 And I just thought they were nuts, you know, like. 165 00:08:57.320 --> 00:08:59.000 No, I'm going to do you know, I'm gonna do 166 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.159 the medication again and it's going to be fine. And 167 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:03.120 you know, they were starting to talk to me about 168 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.559 vaccines and stuff. I just I wasn't there. I wasn't 169 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.919 ready to hear to hear them. And I can look 170 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.639 back now and just see different people who had entered 171 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.519 my life, family and friends who did try to talk 172 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:16.240 to me, and I just I just wasn't I didn't 173 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:17.039 see a necessity. 174 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:17.399 You know. 175 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:22.480 At that point, my second child, true to her nature, 176 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:25.960 just came in wild. I mean I slept through my 177 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:29.159 entire labor, woke up at two am realizing I'm an 178 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.159 act of labor. We drove to the hospital, barely got 179 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.480 there and she was out in forty five minutes. So 180 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.120 I got a natural birth. Whether I liked it or not, 181 00:09:38.279 --> 00:09:42.440 but lo and behold it was so great. I mean, 182 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:46.600 it was fast. My body actually knew what to do, 183 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.320 whereas in my other one, my body was so disconnected, 184 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:51.279 like they would say push and I would be like 185 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.120 I am and they're like, no, you're not. Like there 186 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.240 was such a disconnect because of the drugs. My body 187 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:58.399 wasn't even communicating to do the thing it was designed 188 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.600 to do. With my daughter, it was like push yep, 189 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:03.840 I pushed, she was out. I was holding her. I 190 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.159 was home the next day walking with friends with her stroller, 191 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:09.960 like no recovery. And my husband it was we laugh 192 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.399 about it to this day, says, I really preferred, you know, 193 00:10:14.440 --> 00:10:15.879 the way we did it the second time. 194 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:18.720 That was so much easier for me, and good joke. 195 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.440 I was like, really it was easier for you, you 196 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.240 know it was. 197 00:10:24.360 --> 00:10:28.960 It was an intense time, and so that was kind 198 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:31.159 of the beginning, like, oh there was something to that. 199 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.519 I think with my next one, if I have another one, 200 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.240 I'm I'm going to talk to that Duela friend I'm 201 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:38.879 going to talk to her and see, you know, I 202 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:39.840 don't want the whole thing. 203 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:42.039 I just want, like, I want a little bit of it. 204 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.799 I want her to maybe consult a little bit on 205 00:10:44.840 --> 00:10:48.480 how I could do natural birth, but more like by 206 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.600 my choice. You know, the natural birth was chaotic and 207 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.440 crazy because I wasn't expecting it. But I recognized that 208 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:54.480 if I went into my. 209 00:10:54.559 --> 00:10:55.399 Third berth. 210 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.480 Knowing, you know, with the plan and kind of control, 211 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.440 that would be the best. And so that's what I did, 212 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:04.840 and that was the beginning of the journey. So each 213 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.879 child's birth kind of led me progressively into more natural 214 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.240 medicine and way of doing things. And then, of course 215 00:11:12.279 --> 00:11:14.000 I'm not working at this point. I'm home with these 216 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.279 beautiful babies. I have a little bit more bandwidth and 217 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.840 a little bit more margin to kind of research and 218 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:21.039 look into things that I just didn't have time for 219 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.440 when I was working full time and people speaking to 220 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.440 me about are you going to vaccinate? Are you gonna, 221 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:31.679 you know, do these different medical interventions. And a good friend, 222 00:11:31.679 --> 00:11:37.159 a chiropractor, brought me to the movie Vaxxed with Andrew Wakefield, 223 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.759 and I just cried through the whole thing with I mean, 224 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:42.639 she actually told me to cover my eyes for some 225 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:44.320 of it because I had you know, there was a 226 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:48.399 baby seizing on screen and I had had a baby 227 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.159 at home at that age with that age, and she 228 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:52.679 goes close your eyes, and which was good, but I 229 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.879 just remember thinking, like, how come I didn't know this? 230 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:59.200 How come I didn't get like they didn't inform me 231 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.759 about these things. I just brought my baby to the 232 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.840 hospital and gave them over they got all their shots, 233 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:05.320 and I didn't know. 234 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.480 And so that was that still weighs heavy on me 235 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:09.000 as a mom. 236 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.360 You know, we do the best we can with the 237 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.879 information we have at the time, but man, you want 238 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:15.879 to talk about regrets. There are some things that I 239 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:17.600 wish I could go back in time and do differently, 240 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:19.639 and that definitely is one of them. 241 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.879 So that kind of hit me. And then with my 242 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:24.799 second daughter, I was my middle child. I was already 243 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:26.639 kind of of the mindset that. 244 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:29.799 I was not comfortable with these vaccines and I was 245 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:32.559 going to stop giving them. Okay, she was about she 246 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.639 was probably twelve months because we were in for MMR 247 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.399 and I knew I didn't want to give that one, 248 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:43.720 but the doctor just hassled me and really bullied me 249 00:12:43.759 --> 00:12:47.600 in the office and basically said, if you don't get now, 250 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:48.519 I'm going to forget the name of it. 251 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:52.240 I think it was dip theory. What's that one? 252 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.519 Then yes, yes, yes, If you don't do this, these 253 00:12:56.519 --> 00:12:57.919 are all the things that are going to happen. And 254 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.600 she just really really scared me and I ended up 255 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.559 giving a vaccine to my daughter that I walked into 256 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.799 that office pretty resolute that I wasn't going to do 257 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:08.639 these things, and I did give I didn't give her 258 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:09.919 the whole schedule. 259 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:10.759 I just gave her the one. 260 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:12.960 But I walked back out to the car and I 261 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.480 just cried. And it hit me like, are you the 262 00:13:16.519 --> 00:13:19.840 mom or not? Because what happened in there. You went 263 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.399 in with your mindset that you were not going to 264 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:24.399 do a thing, and then you cut bullied by a 265 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.320 person in a white coat because they're the expert. It 266 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.039 just it hit me in that moment that the Lord 267 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.559 said to me, Nope, you are the mom now, and 268 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:36.840 you have to make these decisions. And if you don't 269 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:38.480 think that you're strong enough, then you're going to have 270 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:40.000 to stay away from the doctors for a little bit 271 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.080 until you feel like you're strong enough. To go back, 272 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.679 and I never gave another vaccine, and I really dedicated 273 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:52.120 the next few years to just I knew personally I 274 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.840 could be armed with facts, and if I knew enough 275 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:57.960 about a thing, I wasn't going to be pushed around 276 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:00.519 and bullied. I walked into that doctor's office not knowing much, 277 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:02.960 just having an emotional response to a movie I watched. 278 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:05.320 But by the next time I went in, I was 279 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.480 armed with all these facts, to the point where I 280 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:09.720 recognized that because of the research that I had done 281 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.559 on vaccines, I was far more educated on vaccines than 282 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.000 this particular pediatrician, because they're not very educated on vaccines. 283 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:17.639 And so. 284 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:22.399 I needed that for my personality to say, no, you 285 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.919 do know what you're talking about, you have made a decision, 286 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:26.440 and don't let yourself be bullied. 287 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:33.159 And so that really was the evolution of my journey. 288 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:34.039 That was the beginning of. 289 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.120 It, just trying to be an advocate for my kids 290 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:38.240 looking and then of course, once you look into vaccines 291 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.440 and that, you start thinking, well, what else don't I know? 292 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:41.879 What else are they doing that's harmful? 293 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:43.399 And then I got into the cancer thing, and then 294 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.639 I got into all sorts of stuff and. 295 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:48.320 Really this is just the Lord. 296 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.480 But he took every other interest and hobby that I 297 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:54.440 was into fruitless things and just took them away. I 298 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.440 didn't have any interest for them. And all I was 299 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:58.919 doing as that young mom, besides watching and caring for 300 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:01.679 my kids, was research all of this stuff. I had 301 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.360 the time, and I had, for whatever reason, this desire 302 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:08.720 to look into all this stuff, and it really hasn't stopped. 303 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:09.960 And it's such a blessing. 304 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.279 And I laugh sometimes and I think, like one of 305 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:14.600 my fruitless hobbies was I loved media. 306 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:16.080 I loved movies, and I. 307 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:18.799 Could tell you any actor or actress who they were 308 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:21.960 married to, what show they were in, like almost you know. 309 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:24.159 To it was a problem. 310 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.120 The Lord just over and I took that from me 311 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:29.200 and said, I have something different I want you to 312 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.120 focus on. And I just shifted. And there were other 313 00:15:31.159 --> 00:15:33.399 things too, just totally shifted. And this was my job 314 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:37.919 and this was my new thing. And now it's research, 315 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:40.080 but to me it's entertainment too. And I'm sure you 316 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:42.559 feel the same way, George. As you're researching things. It 317 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:46.519 is not a bore, it's not a chore. It's a 318 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:51.120 joy to dig into these things and learn and hopefully 319 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:52.039 do better the next time. 320 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.320 Yeah, I think most people in the truth community, no 321 00:15:54.360 --> 00:15:58.559 matter what their hobby was not so much their hobby, 322 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:00.840 but those type of like for me with sports and 323 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.320 I was the same way where you could name maybe 324 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.120 who Jim Carrey's girlfriend in twenty twelve, was I can 325 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:09.519 tell you what Mike Schmidt's batting average, how many home 326 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:12.240 runs he hit nineteen eighty eight, those type of things. 327 00:16:12.799 --> 00:16:15.600 And then you know, for me, I retired from the 328 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:18.279 army and then I started looking into these things and 329 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.080 kind of coming around to what you just were talking about, 330 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:24.159 and I know I was floored about nine to eleven. 331 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:28.600 And then but when you start looking into the medical community, 332 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:34.480 oh my goodness, it's shocking. It is just absolutely shocking 333 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.320 when you take the time. And here's the thing, shame 334 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:41.120 on us because they don't hide what are in these vaccines. 335 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.000 They don't hide what is in our food. It says 336 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.759 right on the side of the can bio engineered foods. 337 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:50.960 It's right there for us to see. But you have 338 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.320 to take the time, you have to make the effort, 339 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:57.360 and it is for me, it was exciting, you know, 340 00:16:57.360 --> 00:16:59.679 connecting all these dots, but then you also hit a 341 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.519 point where you go through this period of darkness because 342 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:06.319 you understand how truly evil this world is. And you 343 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.240 know the Bible, you know we are to be in 344 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.359 the world, but not of the world. And that's kind 345 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:14.079 of where i've you know, when I realized that all 346 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.960 the rabbit holes led to a spiritual war. You know, 347 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.759 it's God versus Satan, it's good versus evil. Then you 348 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.279 come to the realization. 349 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:26.799 It comes full circle totally. 350 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:29.880 And I think that was what hit me. I remember 351 00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:30.319 where I was. 352 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.839 I was in my backyard, had read something or listened 353 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.240 to something, and all of these different rabbit trails that 354 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:38.119 I had been following all these years, all of a 355 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:41.359 sudden converged on this single point, which is the spiritual 356 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:44.720 element that you're talking about, and it just this is 357 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:47.400 a giant octopus and Satan is the head, and they're 358 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.759 all related. 359 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.319 These are not independent things. 360 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.440 They all come from this source and its deception, corruption, 361 00:17:55.799 --> 00:17:57.559 and greet and the father of it is Satan. And 362 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.519 it just hit me like, Okay, this is this is 363 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.640 what we're dealing with, and these are not unrelated things. 364 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:05.519 And that was a big moment for me, and I 365 00:18:05.559 --> 00:18:09.240 think it's one of the reasons. I love flat Earth 366 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.519 so much, and I keep coming back to your podcast 367 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:13.680 and I keep having conversations about it because of all 368 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:17.519 the rabbit holes you fall into, whether it's pharma or 369 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:21.599 SRA or pedophilia or whatever. They are dark and they 370 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:25.160 are nasty and they can make you. They can do 371 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:27.759 a number on you. But man, flat Earth is like 372 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.960 the most beautiful, joyful thing. I mean, you walk away 373 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.440 from that feeling like my creator is right there and 374 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:40.599 this place is beautiful. No, no matter what happens, He's got us. 375 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.920 He's got this protection over us. He sees us. We 376 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:47.640 are not just floating in some We're not some minuscule 377 00:18:47.880 --> 00:18:50.680 thing floating off in this universe far far away. Like 378 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:54.240 That's what I try to explain to people who say 379 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:55.680 this flatter thing it's nonsense. 380 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:57.759 It doesn't matter. It's it does matter. 381 00:18:57.880 --> 00:19:01.000 It even matters to believers who maybe this stop salvation 382 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:01.720 isn't on the line. 383 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:03.400 It's a gift. 384 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:07.319 I have a friend who's research who's just embarking, just 385 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:10.359 dabbling in flat earth, and I'm jealous. 386 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.839 I was like, Oh, you get to experience this for 387 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.960 the first time, brand new, and I wish that I 388 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:17.079 could go back and do that again. 389 00:19:17.119 --> 00:19:23.599 It was just so fun and monumental and the only 390 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:25.960 and I'm not going to say the only, because there's 391 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:28.960 more rabbit trails to find, I'm sure, but up till now, 392 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.519 this is the only rabbit trail that you come out 393 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:35.119 of feeling whole and at peace. 394 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.400 And now you said it was a joyous and that 395 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:45.200 there was not a transition period for you like for me, Flatter, Yeah, 396 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.160 it was like a two weeks for me. It was 397 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:51.720 a full two week period of disbelief anger. I can't 398 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:54.319 believe I fell for this. You know, in the back 399 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:56.759 of my mind had always thought, hou's water stick on 400 00:19:56.759 --> 00:19:57.000 the ball? 401 00:19:57.079 --> 00:19:57.880