Speaker 1: The following presentation is a Al Marvis Studio's production.
Speaker 2: When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll?
Speaker 2: The question why the stories told and left behind in
Speaker 2: shadows where the truth we find?
Speaker 3: They built their tales on crafts and lives on theories
Speaker 3: they stake there.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's
Speaker 4: time for another edition of the flat Earth Files podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm your host is always George Hobbes. I hope everybody
Speaker 4: had a great weekend. As we record, it's Friday, October
Speaker 4: the twenty fifth, twenty twenty four. It's about one pm
Speaker 4: Eastern time, a beautiful fall day, and our guest Joel
Speaker 4: is standing by. We'll get her to her in just
Speaker 4: a moment. Just a couple of quick reminders. Please do
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Speaker 4: like to be a guest like Joel is today, please
Speaker 4: do send us an email. It is fefilesguest at gmail
Speaker 4: dot com, and I think we're ready to bring Joel on. Joel,
Speaker 4: how are you doing today?
Speaker 1: I am doing great, George. I am so excited to
Speaker 1: be on your podcast. Really, I need to contain myself
Speaker 1: if I'm going to main and maintain any semblance here
Speaker 1: of decorum, because I really am just really thrilled to
Speaker 1: be here.
Speaker 5: I'm so thankful for your podcast. It really is one
Speaker 5: of my favorites.
Speaker 1: I'm a podcast junkie, and whenever I see you've got
Speaker 1: a new one, I stop what I'm doing and I listen.
Speaker 1: I just think you're such a gracious host, and you're
Speaker 1: giving lots of people a place to talk about things
Speaker 1: where they don't have that sometimes in their real life.
Speaker 5: So kudos to you. I love what you're doing well.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that very much, and I should tip my
Speaker 4: cap to you because you are also a podcast host.
Speaker 4: Your podcast is entitled The Courage Contagian, which is such
Speaker 4: a clever title, and folks, I have the link to
Speaker 4: her podcast in the show notes, so please do check
Speaker 4: it out. She started in April, some very interesting subject matter,
Speaker 4: very high quality audio. I can't reinforce this enough she's
Speaker 4: such a great podcaster, and I think at the end
Speaker 4: of this ninety minutes you will head over that way
Speaker 4: to listen to her podcast. So Joelle, please do take
Speaker 4: a few moments and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 5: Sure thing will do.
Speaker 1: And just a quick side note, I'm glad you liked
Speaker 1: the name of the podcast. It wasn't my idea. The
Speaker 1: Lord woke me up in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: with that name, and like any of my good ideas,
Speaker 1: they really come directly from the Lord, so just glory
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 5: That was his, So that's awesome.
Speaker 1: My name is Joel. I'm from Minnesota in my early forties.
Speaker 1: I've been married for twenty years to my wonderful, adventurous,
Speaker 1: handsome husband. We celebrated twenty years this past summer. I
Speaker 1: have three children, ages twelve, ten, and eight, and they
Speaker 1: are the most spectacular children that have ever existed. I
Speaker 1: know every mother says that, but they really they are
Speaker 1: really special. So I'm just having the best time being
Speaker 1: with them. Before having my kids, I was a high
Speaker 1: school English teacher. I taught primarily eleven and twelfth grade
Speaker 1: classes in literature and writing and media and editing, so
Speaker 1: I feel like, this is a way for me now
Speaker 1: to kind of tap into some of those old skills
Speaker 1: that I was able to put to use. But when
Speaker 1: my son was born, I took a break and decided
Speaker 1: to stay home and raise my kids in homeschool part time,
Speaker 1: and I've just it's been such a blessing. Prior to that,
Speaker 1: I think it's important to my story. I grew up
Speaker 1: as a Baptist minister's daughter. So it was fun to
Speaker 1: hear your guest last week. We have a lot of similarities.
Speaker 1: Small town Yeah, small town pastor's kid, you know, just
Speaker 1: a beautiful, beautiful upbringing. My parents gave us the best
Speaker 1: gift ever, which was to introduce us to Jesus at
Speaker 1: an early age, and we've been My sister and I've
Speaker 1: been walking with him ever since. So I know that's
Speaker 1: not everybody's experience. Being a pastor's kid isn't easy for everybody,
Speaker 1: and it can turn out sideways sometimes, but.
Speaker 5: My experience was wonderful.
Speaker 1: The heritage handed down to my sister and I was
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing, and we are trying to pass that
Speaker 1: along to our children today.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of where that leaves us.
Speaker 4: That's amazing, and that is something I was thinking about
Speaker 4: when you were talking, because there have been so many examples,
Speaker 4: and I know personally people who were you know, preacher's
Speaker 4: daughters sons that have I don't know if it's just
Speaker 4: the automatic rebellion being in school with people who are
Speaker 4: not of the same mindset and it's you know, natural
Speaker 4: for a teenager to rebel, but that's amazing that you
Speaker 4: were able to walk the narrow path, as they say.
Speaker 4: The other thing I did want to kind of pick
Speaker 4: your brain about briefly before we get to your journey.
Speaker 6: What was Were you on a public school system or
Speaker 6: a private school system?
Speaker 1: Yes, public school all the way, so, but my mom
Speaker 1: stayed home with us, you know, she wasn't working when
Speaker 1: we were young, and so I had that was different.
Speaker 1: You know when the eighties a lot of moms were
Speaker 1: out of the house. So I had that public school
Speaker 1: all the way. And then it became a public school
Speaker 1: teacher and so going to Okay, that's what you're referring to.
Speaker 6: It's a public school teacher. Yeah, and that the curriculum.
Speaker 4: I know every state's different to a certain extent, but
Speaker 4: what did you think what was your experience.
Speaker 1: In regards to flatter specifically, or just social issues exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I've been out of the educational
Speaker 1: system for twelve years, and so much has happened in
Speaker 1: those twelve years that I can't imagine what it must
Speaker 1: be like for public school teachers.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: However, I was starting to see some cracks in just
Speaker 1: the way that we did things. I mean, just practically speaking,
Speaker 1: it's not the best model for a child. It's not
Speaker 1: individualized learning. It's basically, you know, I don't want to
Speaker 1: speak too strongly, it's kind of a prison where we
Speaker 1: forced kids to sit in a seat and do the
Speaker 1: same thing and expect the same outcomes. And when I
Speaker 1: decided to homeschool my own children, it came as a
Speaker 1: surprise to me because my husband was homeschooled and I
Speaker 1: was public school. So it was a surprise, but I
Speaker 1: think I had seen the inside of it enough to
Speaker 1: know that there's a better way to do this. We
Speaker 1: can be a lot more effective. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: more time with my kids too, and I got that,
Speaker 1: And so I mean, if you can homeschool, it's just
Speaker 1: such a beautiful it's a beautiful thing for both parent
Speaker 1: and child. So I wasn't dealing with a lot of
Speaker 1: the social issues back then, but certainly just pragmatically, it
Speaker 1: wasn't the best methodology, perfectly stated.
Speaker 4: Let's get into your journey to the truth. I always
Speaker 4: like to put it. You know, at what point in
Speaker 4: your life did you start to realize that what the
Speaker 4: guy on the news or whatever you know said you
Speaker 4: didn't quite buy into. Was it COVID or was it
Speaker 4: before that?
Speaker 1: Sure, you know, I actually attribute my awakening to the
Speaker 1: birth of my three children, which I know sounds odd,
Speaker 1: and hopefully I'll be able to explain that as we go.
Speaker 1: But I, as you say, George, was a complete normy.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just didn't know that there was a
Speaker 1: different way of thinking about things. And so, as I
Speaker 1: was teaching in the public school, I was pregnant with
Speaker 1: my first child. I was planning on going to the
Speaker 1: hospital and having a normal birth. And in my mind
Speaker 1: that meant I go to the hospital, I get the epidural,
Speaker 1: the doctor does all the work, I come home with
Speaker 1: the baby. And as any woman who's had a child knows,
Speaker 1: that's not really how it works. You don't go to
Speaker 1: the hospital and they produce this thing for you. You
Speaker 1: still have to do all this work. And so that
Speaker 1: was kind of the first chink in the armor, so
Speaker 1: to speak, of my mainstream thought. It just didn't go
Speaker 1: well my birth. I mean, it didn't go horribly, wasn't traumatic,
Speaker 1: but it just was it wasn't as easy and perfect
Speaker 1: as everyone said it was going to be. And so
Speaker 1: by the time I was having my second child, I
Speaker 1: had friends who were in natural medicine saying, are you
Speaker 1: going to consider a doula or doing natural birth?
Speaker 5: And I just thought they were nuts, you know, like.
Speaker 1: No, I'm going to do you know, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: the medication again and it's going to be fine. And
Speaker 1: you know, they were starting to talk to me about
Speaker 1: vaccines and stuff. I just I wasn't there. I wasn't
Speaker 1: ready to hear to hear them. And I can look
Speaker 1: back now and just see different people who had entered
Speaker 1: my life, family and friends who did try to talk
Speaker 1: to me, and I just I just wasn't I didn't
Speaker 1: see a necessity.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: At that point, my second child, true to her nature,
Speaker 1: just came in wild. I mean I slept through my
Speaker 1: entire labor, woke up at two am realizing I'm an
Speaker 1: act of labor. We drove to the hospital, barely got
Speaker 1: there and she was out in forty five minutes. So
Speaker 1: I got a natural birth. Whether I liked it or not,
Speaker 1: but lo and behold it was so great. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was fast. My body actually knew what to do,
Speaker 1: whereas in my other one, my body was so disconnected,
Speaker 1: like they would say push and I would be like
Speaker 1: I am and they're like, no, you're not. Like there
Speaker 1: was such a disconnect because of the drugs. My body
Speaker 1: wasn't even communicating to do the thing it was designed
Speaker 1: to do. With my daughter, it was like push yep,
Speaker 1: I pushed, she was out. I was holding her. I
Speaker 1: was home the next day walking with friends with her stroller,
Speaker 1: like no recovery. And my husband it was we laugh
Speaker 1: about it to this day, says, I really preferred, you know,
Speaker 1: the way we did it the second time.
Speaker 5: That was so much easier for me, and good joke.
Speaker 5: I was like, really it was easier for you, you
Speaker 5: know it was.
Speaker 1: It was an intense time, and so that was kind
Speaker 1: of the beginning, like, oh there was something to that.
Speaker 1: I think with my next one, if I have another one,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going to talk to that Duela friend I'm
Speaker 1: going to talk to her and see, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want the whole thing.
Speaker 5: I just want, like, I want a little bit of it.
Speaker 1: I want her to maybe consult a little bit on
Speaker 1: how I could do natural birth, but more like by
Speaker 1: my choice. You know, the natural birth was chaotic and
Speaker 1: crazy because I wasn't expecting it. But I recognized that
Speaker 1: if I went into my.
Speaker 5: Third berth.
Speaker 1: Knowing, you know, with the plan and kind of control,
Speaker 1: that would be the best. And so that's what I did,
Speaker 1: and that was the beginning of the journey. So each
Speaker 1: child's birth kind of led me progressively into more natural
Speaker 1: medicine and way of doing things. And then, of course
Speaker 1: I'm not working at this point. I'm home with these
Speaker 1: beautiful babies. I have a little bit more bandwidth and
Speaker 1: a little bit more margin to kind of research and
Speaker 1: look into things that I just didn't have time for
Speaker 1: when I was working full time and people speaking to
Speaker 1: me about are you going to vaccinate? Are you gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, do these different medical interventions. And a good friend,
Speaker 1: a chiropractor, brought me to the movie Vaxxed with Andrew Wakefield,
Speaker 1: and I just cried through the whole thing with I mean,
Speaker 1: she actually told me to cover my eyes for some
Speaker 1: of it because I had you know, there was a
Speaker 1: baby seizing on screen and I had had a baby
Speaker 1: at home at that age with that age, and she
Speaker 1: goes close your eyes, and which was good, but I
Speaker 1: just remember thinking, like, how come I didn't know this?
Speaker 1: How come I didn't get like they didn't inform me
Speaker 1: about these things. I just brought my baby to the
Speaker 1: hospital and gave them over they got all their shots,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know.
Speaker 5: And so that was that still weighs heavy on me
Speaker 5: as a mom.
Speaker 1: You know, we do the best we can with the
Speaker 1: information we have at the time, but man, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about regrets. There are some things that I
Speaker 1: wish I could go back in time and do differently,
Speaker 1: and that definitely is one of them.
Speaker 5: So that kind of hit me. And then with my
Speaker 5: second daughter, I was my middle child. I was already
Speaker 5: kind of of the mindset that.
Speaker 1: I was not comfortable with these vaccines and I was
Speaker 1: going to stop giving them. Okay, she was about she
Speaker 1: was probably twelve months because we were in for MMR
Speaker 1: and I knew I didn't want to give that one,
Speaker 1: but the doctor just hassled me and really bullied me
Speaker 1: in the office and basically said, if you don't get now,
Speaker 1: I'm going to forget the name of it.
Speaker 5: I think it was dip theory. What's that one?
Speaker 1: Then yes, yes, yes, If you don't do this, these
Speaker 1: are all the things that are going to happen. And
Speaker 1: she just really really scared me and I ended up
Speaker 1: giving a vaccine to my daughter that I walked into
Speaker 1: that office pretty resolute that I wasn't going to do
Speaker 1: these things, and I did give I didn't give her
Speaker 1: the whole schedule.
Speaker 5: I just gave her the one.
Speaker 1: But I walked back out to the car and I
Speaker 1: just cried. And it hit me like, are you the
Speaker 1: mom or not? Because what happened in there. You went
Speaker 1: in with your mindset that you were not going to
Speaker 1: do a thing, and then you cut bullied by a
Speaker 1: person in a white coat because they're the expert. It
Speaker 1: just it hit me in that moment that the Lord
Speaker 1: said to me, Nope, you are the mom now, and
Speaker 1: you have to make these decisions. And if you don't
Speaker 1: think that you're strong enough, then you're going to have
Speaker 1: to stay away from the doctors for a little bit
Speaker 1: until you feel like you're strong enough. To go back,
Speaker 1: and I never gave another vaccine, and I really dedicated
Speaker 1: the next few years to just I knew personally I
Speaker 1: could be armed with facts, and if I knew enough
Speaker 1: about a thing, I wasn't going to be pushed around
Speaker 1: and bullied. I walked into that doctor's office not knowing much,
Speaker 1: just having an emotional response to a movie I watched.
Speaker 1: But by the next time I went in, I was
Speaker 1: armed with all these facts, to the point where I
Speaker 1: recognized that because of the research that I had done
Speaker 1: on vaccines, I was far more educated on vaccines than
Speaker 1: this particular pediatrician, because they're not very educated on vaccines.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 1: I needed that for my personality to say, no, you
Speaker 1: do know what you're talking about, you have made a decision,
Speaker 1: and don't let yourself be bullied.
Speaker 5: And so that really was the evolution of my journey.
Speaker 5: That was the beginning of.
Speaker 1: It, just trying to be an advocate for my kids
Speaker 1: looking and then of course, once you look into vaccines
Speaker 1: and that, you start thinking, well, what else don't I know?
Speaker 5: What else are they doing that's harmful?
Speaker 1: And then I got into the cancer thing, and then
Speaker 1: I got into all sorts of stuff and.
Speaker 5: Really this is just the Lord.
Speaker 1: But he took every other interest and hobby that I
Speaker 1: was into fruitless things and just took them away. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any interest for them. And all I was
Speaker 1: doing as that young mom, besides watching and caring for
Speaker 1: my kids, was research all of this stuff. I had
Speaker 1: the time, and I had, for whatever reason, this desire
Speaker 1: to look into all this stuff, and it really hasn't stopped.
Speaker 5: And it's such a blessing.
Speaker 1: And I laugh sometimes and I think, like one of
Speaker 1: my fruitless hobbies was I loved media.
Speaker 5: I loved movies, and I.
Speaker 1: Could tell you any actor or actress who they were
Speaker 1: married to, what show they were in, like almost you know.
Speaker 5: To it was a problem.
Speaker 1: The Lord just over and I took that from me
Speaker 1: and said, I have something different I want you to
Speaker 1: focus on. And I just shifted. And there were other
Speaker 1: things too, just totally shifted. And this was my job
Speaker 1: and this was my new thing. And now it's research,
Speaker 1: but to me it's entertainment too. And I'm sure you
Speaker 1: feel the same way, George. As you're researching things. It
Speaker 1: is not a bore, it's not a chore. It's a
Speaker 1: joy to dig into these things and learn and hopefully
Speaker 1: do better the next time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most people in the truth community, no
Speaker 4: matter what their hobby was not so much their hobby,
Speaker 4: but those type of like for me with sports and
Speaker 4: I was the same way where you could name maybe
Speaker 4: who Jim Carrey's girlfriend in twenty twelve, was I can
Speaker 4: tell you what Mike Schmidt's batting average, how many home
Speaker 4: runs he hit nineteen eighty eight, those type of things.
Speaker 4: And then you know, for me, I retired from the
Speaker 4: army and then I started looking into these things and
Speaker 4: kind of coming around to what you just were talking about,
Speaker 4: and I know I was floored about nine to eleven.
Speaker 4: And then but when you start looking into the medical community,
Speaker 4: oh my goodness, it's shocking. It is just absolutely shocking
Speaker 4: when you take the time. And here's the thing, shame
Speaker 4: on us because they don't hide what are in these vaccines.
Speaker 4: They don't hide what is in our food. It says
Speaker 4: right on the side of the can bio engineered foods.
Speaker 4: It's right there for us to see. But you have
Speaker 4: to take the time, you have to make the effort,
Speaker 4: and it is for me, it was exciting, you know,
Speaker 4: connecting all these dots, but then you also hit a
Speaker 4: point where you go through this period of darkness because
Speaker 4: you understand how truly evil this world is. And you
Speaker 4: know the Bible, you know we are to be in
Speaker 4: the world, but not of the world. And that's kind
Speaker 4: of where i've you know, when I realized that all
Speaker 4: the rabbit holes led to a spiritual war. You know,
Speaker 4: it's God versus Satan, it's good versus evil. Then you
Speaker 4: come to the realization.
Speaker 6: It comes full circle totally.
Speaker 5: And I think that was what hit me. I remember
Speaker 5: where I was.
Speaker 1: I was in my backyard, had read something or listened
Speaker 1: to something, and all of these different rabbit trails that
Speaker 1: I had been following all these years, all of a
Speaker 1: sudden converged on this single point, which is the spiritual
Speaker 1: element that you're talking about, and it just this is
Speaker 1: a giant octopus and Satan is the head, and they're
Speaker 1: all related.
Speaker 5: These are not independent things.
Speaker 1: They all come from this source and its deception, corruption,
Speaker 1: and greet and the father of it is Satan. And
Speaker 1: it just hit me like, Okay, this is this is
Speaker 1: what we're dealing with, and these are not unrelated things.
Speaker 1: And that was a big moment for me, and I
Speaker 1: think it's one of the reasons. I love flat Earth
Speaker 1: so much, and I keep coming back to your podcast
Speaker 1: and I keep having conversations about it because of all
Speaker 1: the rabbit holes you fall into, whether it's pharma or
Speaker 1: SRA or pedophilia or whatever. They are dark and they
Speaker 1: are nasty and they can make you. They can do
Speaker 1: a number on you. But man, flat Earth is like
Speaker 1: the most beautiful, joyful thing. I mean, you walk away
Speaker 1: from that feeling like my creator is right there and
Speaker 1: this place is beautiful. No, no matter what happens, He's got us.
Speaker 1: He's got this protection over us. He sees us. We
Speaker 1: are not just floating in some We're not some minuscule
Speaker 1: thing floating off in this universe far far away. Like
Speaker 1: That's what I try to explain to people who say
Speaker 1: this flatter thing it's nonsense.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter. It's it does matter.
Speaker 1: It even matters to believers who maybe this stop salvation
Speaker 1: isn't on the line.
Speaker 5: It's a gift.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's research who's just embarking, just
Speaker 1: dabbling in flat earth, and I'm jealous.
Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, you get to experience this for
Speaker 5: the first time, brand new, and I wish that I
Speaker 5: could go back and do that again.
Speaker 1: It was just so fun and monumental and the only
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say the only, because there's
Speaker 1: more rabbit trails to find, I'm sure, but up till now,
Speaker 1: this is the only rabbit trail that you come out
Speaker 1: of feeling whole and at peace.
Speaker 4: And now you said it was a joyous and that
Speaker 4: there was not a transition period for you like for me, Flatter, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was like a two weeks for me. It was
Speaker 4: a full two week period of disbelief anger. I can't
Speaker 4: believe I fell for this. You know, in the back
Speaker 4: of my mind had always thought, hou's water stick on
Speaker 4: the ball?
Speaker 6: Why are we spinning?
Speaker 4: But I felt and I was old, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I was late forty nine maybe when I came across this,
Speaker 4: and you know, that's five decades of believing a lie.
Speaker 4: That it took a bit of an emotional toll for me.
Speaker 4: But once I got past that, I fell into all
Speaker 4: the other categories that you just mentioned. But there was
Speaker 4: a two week transition where I was just bull I mean,
Speaker 4: I can't even explain my emotions.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: My picture of our governing bodies had already been dismantled
Speaker 1: and broken.
Speaker 5: I had already gone through that heartache.
Speaker 1: I think through all the other it was very gradual,
Speaker 1: and all those other things were already broken down. So
Speaker 1: by the time I came to flat Earth, all those
Speaker 1: hurdles were cleared away. There was no obstacle for me
Speaker 1: to see the truth. And I think I had already
Speaker 1: gone through the heart brokenness of realizing that we were
Speaker 1: being lied to and then our government is not out
Speaker 1: to protect us and care for us. So I think
Speaker 1: I had already I had mourned the loss of that already.
Speaker 1: So by the time I came to flat Earth, that
Speaker 1: was nothing. I was just like, well, you know, they
Speaker 1: lied about this. This isn't a surprise, So it was.
Speaker 1: It was a very gradual thing. For me, it was
Speaker 1: it was mind blowing. I mean, of course, I mean
Speaker 1: I was. It was twenty seventeen. For me, I was
Speaker 1: an adult, you know, it was definitely monumental, But I
Speaker 1: didn't there was nothing earth shattering. Nothing was shattered that
Speaker 1: wasn't already shattered, If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So let's get to twenty seventeen. How were you
Speaker 4: introduced to flat Earth and what were some of the things.
Speaker 4: Whether it was a video or a book that really
Speaker 4: put you over the top and led you to believe,
Speaker 4: and you do mention that you're still at ninety seven
Speaker 4: percent certainty, which you know, I think we should all
Speaker 4: remain open, right because we don't have all the answers.
Speaker 4: But what really, I guess led you to believe that
Speaker 4: we were lied about living on a ball?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I do want to address the ninety seven
Speaker 1: percent thing and why I'm I'm labeling myself at that
Speaker 1: and get I we'll circle back to that. But as
Speaker 1: far as twenty seventeen and how I came to flat Earth,
Speaker 1: I really blamed my mom in the best sense.
Speaker 5: She I came to flat Earth before she did.
Speaker 1: But she sent me this really random video by Rob
Speaker 1: Skiba about giants about Nephelo. And my parents know the
Speaker 1: word and they love the word and they instill that
Speaker 1: in us.
Speaker 5: And so she's sending me this thing that's in the world.
Speaker 1: It's just a totally new thing, and it just ignited
Speaker 1: this fire in me, like, WHOA, that's not how I
Speaker 1: read it, That's not how I interpret it. What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? And just dug into that Rob Skeeba stuff.
Speaker 1: And this is before Rob Sciba was a flat earther too.
Speaker 1: It took him a minute to get there as well.
Speaker 1: But I was really into all of his videos just
Speaker 1: about maybe we were interpreting this wrong.
Speaker 5: Were there really giants on the earth?
Speaker 1: What actually happened between angels, the sons of God and women,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole Genesis six thing that can be
Speaker 1: a gateway into this And it just that that was
Speaker 1: so awesome. I mean, I picked up my Bible with
Speaker 1: a new fervor. I mean, okay, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: through I'm gonna read it again. I'm going to read
Speaker 1: it with this new perspective and see what jumps out
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 5: And I loved it.
Speaker 1: And it was in that season of time where I
Speaker 1: came across a Flatter video, you know, because the YouTube
Speaker 1: back then it would spit, you know, algorithm would give
Speaker 1: you us something else to look at that was in
Speaker 1: the same vein. And I remember it was actually O
Speaker 1: D D TV, do you know, yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 1: it was one of his videos, and I clicked on
Speaker 1: it just like you know, here I am, I'm ready
Speaker 1: like this is craziness. And I did come to Flatter,
Speaker 1: just incredulous, like this is nonsense. This is hilarious. Like
Speaker 1: I'm pretty open, but this, you know, this is going
Speaker 1: to be good. And he did a lot with imagery
Speaker 1: and symbolism in media, and because that was, you know,
Speaker 1: a love of mine prior man, that that struck home.
Speaker 1: I mean, they are consistent with their symbolism and their
Speaker 1: imagery in movies and television telling us exactly where we are,
Speaker 1: whether it's The Truman Show or the Dark Tower or
Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. They are putting it out there.
Speaker 1: And then he of course went through you can see
Speaker 1: too far. What is NASA saying? What is NASA really doing?
Speaker 6: How?
Speaker 1: And really breaking that apart? And so I think it
Speaker 1: was right. I can't remember which came first. I bet
Speaker 1: it was a funny thing happened on the way to
Speaker 1: the moon. I do think the moon landing was disassembled
Speaker 1: for me first crumbled first before I came to flatter.
Speaker 1: So it's hard for me to pinpoint what exactly came first.
Speaker 1: All of that is like a blur. I was just
Speaker 1: consuming all of that stuff so quickly on it was overlapping.
Speaker 1: But I do think it was moon landing didn't happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: So NASA is a fraud. Okay, Well, this is NASA's
Speaker 1: the only real reason we can verify that we live
Speaker 1: on a globe. And if they're not a reliable source,
Speaker 1: then there's no barrier, there's no hurdle, obstacle for me
Speaker 1: to come to flatter because I haven't been there. The
Speaker 1: only only objective truth I have is NOASA on these
Speaker 1: pictures which aren't real. So and you know, watching movies
Speaker 1: like Gravity with Sandra Bullock and seeing just how realistic
Speaker 1: they make those movies look, it just hit me like,
Speaker 1: we don't know anything that we see on TV is real,
Speaker 1: whether it comes from the news or it's a movie, Like,
Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing.
Speaker 5: We really don't, at least I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't have the skills to ascertain if something's been
Speaker 1: photoshopped or not so, and.
Speaker 4: I'm at that point I don't even believe or know
Speaker 4: for sure that the people who they put in front
Speaker 4: of the movie screens are who they are, or if
Speaker 4: they are part.
Speaker 6: Of the club.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, it's just it's we live in
Speaker 1: a time of such deception. I thank Jesus every day
Speaker 1: for his word that I've got something firm to stand
Speaker 1: on because it you know, it can get a little
Speaker 1: dicey out there when you're questioning what is real. And
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, can we can we dive into
Speaker 1: that ninety seven percent just for a second. I say
Speaker 1: ninety seven percent sure because being a truther and in
Speaker 1: this movement, so many things that you thought were one
Speaker 1: hundred percent true were shattered already to get to this point,
Speaker 1: and so you're really careful how you structure truth in
Speaker 1: your mind now because you know, hey, I was wrong
Speaker 1: before and I was so certain I was true. You
Speaker 1: really are more careful about how you hang on to
Speaker 1: absolute truth in the future. And so my thing is
Speaker 1: there are very few things that we can know is
Speaker 1: absolute truth, and that's the Word and our salvation through Christ. Really,
Speaker 1: those are the only two things I would say I'm
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on, and I have because I'm human
Speaker 1: and because I've been humbled so many times in this
Speaker 1: journey to know, like, I really don't know what I
Speaker 1: don't know, and I'm just careful.
Speaker 5: It's not that I don't believe it. I do. I
Speaker 5: really do believe.
Speaker 1: We live in a flat, protected, immovable place. And the
Speaker 1: Lord revealed woke me up last night and revealed this
Speaker 1: really beautiful image and metaphor that I would like to
Speaker 1: share with you and your your guests, if it's okay,
Speaker 1: Joyce of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Friends, when they see me in this journey and talking
Speaker 1: about whether it be nine to eleven or you know,
Speaker 1: the moon landing, they get uncomfortable and they start to
Speaker 1: say things to me like, you know, we're worried about you.
Speaker 5: We're worried.
Speaker 1: You know, we are afraid that you're going to you're
Speaker 1: going to dive into this thing and you're going to
Speaker 1: walk away from your faith. And I understand why they
Speaker 1: would say that. Certainly a lot of people in my
Speaker 1: generation have walked away from their faith. They have heard
Speaker 1: something that the culture has said, and they have deconstructed
Speaker 1: their faith and they have never put it back together again.
Speaker 1: But there we go with that fear again. Right, I'm
Speaker 1: afraid you're going to walk away from your faith. And
Speaker 1: I'm happy to report that that is the opposite of
Speaker 1: what has happened through my journey with Flat Earth or
Speaker 1: any of the other rabbit holes. And I want to
Speaker 1: encourage your audience to listen. If you are a believer
Speaker 1: and you have that book in your hand, you don't
Speaker 1: need to worry for one second that anything you learn
Speaker 1: is going to contradict that is true, is going to
Speaker 1: contradict the Bible. You don't have to defend it, you
Speaker 1: don't have to do mental gymnastics for it. It is
Speaker 1: true and it holds up to scrutiny no matter what.
Speaker 1: And I have just gone repeatedly back to it to
Speaker 1: hold it up to truth.
Speaker 5: And it is true.
Speaker 1: And this mental picture the Lord gave me last night
Speaker 1: to kind of explain to people I think their fear
Speaker 1: is not only might I walk away from my faith?
Speaker 1: But you know, if you become too open minded, you
Speaker 1: become morally relativistic, where you say, can truth be known?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: And then you can wander off into really dangerous landscapes
Speaker 1: of can reality be known at all?
Speaker 5: Are we living in a simulation? Is just the matrix?
Speaker 1: And that that is a crazy, scary place to be.
Speaker 5: And I understand that.
Speaker 1: But this vision, or I'll say it wasn't a vision,
Speaker 1: it was an image that the Lord woke me up with.
Speaker 1: Is two different ways of our minds to structure new
Speaker 1: thoughts and ideas. And the first way we have a truth,
Speaker 1: maybe we get it as a child, and we build
Speaker 1: it brick by brick, and we build up this wall.
Speaker 1: And it's this truth that we know for sure, and
Speaker 1: it's steady and it's firm.
Speaker 5: But any new.
Speaker 1: Idea that comes up against it, against that brick wall,
Speaker 1: and it crumbles that new thought if it's not a
Speaker 1: strong thought, or worse, it could injure the person who
Speaker 1: brought that new thought to us. Or if this new
Speaker 1: thought is so undeniable, maybe you woke up and saw
Speaker 1: an alien at the end of your bed.
Speaker 5: I'm just making something up, and it shatters that wall.
Speaker 1: It shatters that worldview because it was so rigid, and
Speaker 1: your whole life was built upon it. And now we
Speaker 1: have a crumbled worldview. And now we're vulnerable to all
Speaker 1: thoughts and all ideas and what you know is anything true?
Speaker 1: And I think the non Christian can find themselves there too,
Speaker 1: and the Christian two of well, what is reality and
Speaker 1: what is true? And the Lord he is so great
Speaker 1: he brought palone to me talking about Blessed as a
Speaker 1: man who does not sit in the seat of scoffers,
Speaker 1: but he is like a tree planted by streams of
Speaker 1: water whose leaf does not wither. Who's he bears fruit
Speaker 1: in season, and all he does, he prospers. And I
Speaker 1: feel like that rather than the brick wall, the Lord
Speaker 1: wants us as we're forming our worldview and based on him.
Speaker 1: Our roots are plugged deep into that soil, drinking from
Speaker 1: that living water that is Him. And the stronger those
Speaker 1: roots go down in our faith, then we can grow
Speaker 1: up like a strong tree, and our branches can go out.
Speaker 5: And as a new idea comes.
Speaker 1: Yes, we can bend and twist and sway in the
Speaker 1: wind of these new ideas, and we can evaluate them
Speaker 1: and even hold them for a time, and we can
Speaker 1: evalue them against the scripture and toss something out or
Speaker 1: keep it.
Speaker 5: But the tree doesn't break.
Speaker 1: The tree can sway and bend and hold it without
Speaker 1: fear because we're so rooted in Christ's word. And I
Speaker 1: just thought that was so beautiful and he is so faithful,
Speaker 1: because I think that has helped me when talking to people,
Speaker 1: like I'm not going to break over this. This isn't
Speaker 1: something that's going to shatter my world's view. And I'm careful,
Speaker 1: and that's the ninety seven percent. I'm like a tree
Speaker 1: planted by streams of water. My roots go deep into
Speaker 1: Christ and his word, and I can hold the other
Speaker 1: things in sway and I can respond to new ideas.
Speaker 1: And that's a huge part of what I try to
Speaker 1: convey on my podcast is it's the courage contagion and
Speaker 1: the idea is, you know, someone comes to you with
Speaker 1: a new thought, don't respond in fear and shut it
Speaker 1: down and just destroy that new idea or the person
Speaker 1: bringing it to you out of fear that it's going
Speaker 1: to destroy you, you and your worldview. And I think
Speaker 1: about this a lot, especially with my physician friends. And
Speaker 1: I love my family and friends who are doctors, but
Speaker 1: because of the education that they go through in med school,
Speaker 1: they absolutely have to build that fortress of thought to
Speaker 1: get through med school to practice medicine. And the minute
Speaker 1: something comes that that's different than that, they have to
Speaker 1: they have to break that new idea or else it
Speaker 1: threatens to crumble the wall. And and that's how we
Speaker 1: get stuck. That's how we get stuck in these in
Speaker 1: these ways of thinking. So God is so faithful. He
Speaker 1: just I just rejoiced that He showed me that beautiful
Speaker 1: extended metaphor of how I hope to you know, hear
Speaker 1: new ideas, and I'm sure, there's going to be new
Speaker 1: ideas that come to me in the future.
Speaker 5: I hope. I hope so because this is a fun journey.
Speaker 6: It is, and you hit on so many great topics there.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: Number One, you do have to be flexible in your
Speaker 4: journey outside of like you said, your faith. I've gone
Speaker 4: back into rabbit holes and come out with a different information,
Speaker 4: you know, some information that might you know, quell my
Speaker 4: original thoughts, or I take a different look at it
Speaker 4: from a different angle, and like you said, there's some
Speaker 4: out there you may originally believe and then you find out, no,
Speaker 4: that's not really true. So you should always be willing
Speaker 4: and that's the whole thing as a truth or you
Speaker 4: have to be open minded. You can't just say that's
Speaker 4: that's what I feel, I'm not going to look any further,
Speaker 4: because that's the same reason we still have people who
Speaker 4: won't even look into flat earth because they that's I'm
Speaker 4: just not going to look into it. You have to
Speaker 4: be open minded when we're talking about these rabbit holes,
Speaker 4: of course. And the other thing that was very pronounced
Speaker 4: that you mentioned is when people think that if you
Speaker 4: go into conspiracy world air quotes that you'll lose your faith.
Speaker 4: I can tell you first hand thousands of emails of
Speaker 4: people that flat Earth has brought people to God into
Speaker 4: Christ versus the other way around. So that certainly is
Speaker 4: something to hang your hat on.
Speaker 5: Praise God.
Speaker 1: I know. I just was talking to Josh Monday for
Speaker 1: my podcast. I first heard him on yours. He just
Speaker 1: did such an excellent job, and that's something we talked about.
Speaker 1: So many Christians say this is not a Salvafic issue,
Speaker 1: this is nothing to you know, divide over, which I
Speaker 1: agree with. This is not an issue we should divide over.
Speaker 1: But they want to say it's not important, So why
Speaker 1: stir up contention for no reason? And I say, it
Speaker 1: might not be a salvafic issue for the believer who
Speaker 1: already has their salvation secure in Christ. But what about
Speaker 1: the person who doesn't know Jesus yet and they come
Speaker 1: to this book and it is so contradictory to science
Speaker 1: that they throw it away and they never come to Jesus. So,
Speaker 1: and I know you've said it before, this certainly is
Speaker 1: a salvafic issue for those who are not yet in Christ.
Speaker 5: So I think it's important.
Speaker 6: It really is.
Speaker 4: And everything in the world I said it just the
Speaker 4: other day on my other podcast, I call it, you know,
Speaker 4: Satan's Trident, right, it's evolution, it's the Big Bang theory
Speaker 4: and heliocentrism. And unfortunately, these are the thing that are
Speaker 4: taught in are both public and private at Nauseum. And
Speaker 4: you know, our children are in Sunday school and church
Speaker 4: for maybe two hours a week, and then they're out
Speaker 4: there getting the matrix installed in their mind for thirty
Speaker 4: five hours a week.
Speaker 6: It's an uphill climb.
Speaker 4: And you know, children, you know, we in our lifespan,
Speaker 4: are really most influenced between you know, ten and fifteen probably,
Speaker 4: and that is the heart of the education system. So
Speaker 4: going full circle back to when you were talking about homeschool,
Speaker 4: and I completely understand that's everybody's not able to do it,
Speaker 4: but you really have to be very careful and even
Speaker 4: at the end of the night, what were you taught
Speaker 4: in school today? Oh, we were taught that three guys
Speaker 4: went to the moon and they stayed there and it's incredible,
Speaker 4: the greatest accomplishment of mankind. You know, that's when you
Speaker 4: really got to sit down. And we do here. We
Speaker 4: use Alpha and Omega, but we also do videos and
Speaker 4: we kind of say, this is what's being taught in
Speaker 4: the public paradigm, and this is what we believe, and
Speaker 4: of course we leave it up to her daughter, but
Speaker 4: she's also on board that, Yeah, it doesn't make much
Speaker 4: sense that we're spinning and this and that. And the
Speaker 4: other thing like you mentioned, which is something I'm not
Speaker 4: even sure is mentioned enough, is the crepuscular rays looking
Speaker 4: at the sun.
Speaker 6: How far does the sun look?
Speaker 4: Oh, no, a couple of thousand miles away, Well it's
Speaker 4: ninety three million, and little things like that. So one
Speaker 4: hundred percent everything you said is spot on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my daughter last night, my youngest. You know, they're
Speaker 1: at the age where there's there and they are in
Speaker 1: a part time Montessori program, so I homeschool then part time,
Speaker 1: and then the other part they're at. They're at a
Speaker 1: really wonderful suitet Christian Montissuri is the best of both worlds.
Speaker 1: But my dog's reading The Action Bible, and I recommend
Speaker 1: that I give that for gifts. I love the Action Bible.
Speaker 1: It's a comic book Bible, and it's just it's really great.
Speaker 1: My kids all love it. But the first page, you know,
Speaker 1: talk about creation, shows this huge sun and this tiny earth,
Speaker 1: and she goes, this is what we believe. I can't remember, Mommy,
Speaker 1: is it is this what we believe? Or do we
Speaker 1: believe something else? And so, you know, I stopped her
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I believe it's the opposite of that,
Speaker 1: and I kind of described it again what I thought.
Speaker 1: I go, but, Ellie, you know, this is what the
Speaker 1: world believes, and it might be right, and we should
Speaker 1: learn both and I want you to look at the
Speaker 1: evidence and decide. And I think that's kind of how
Speaker 1: I I've approached it with my kids. They hear all
Speaker 1: my podcasts that I listen to. I try, you know,
Speaker 1: unless it's not age appropriate. I let them listen to
Speaker 1: what I'm learning, and I always say to them, these
Speaker 1: are just ideas, and this is we'd have to bring
Speaker 1: everything back to scripture and we can't know anything for certain,
Speaker 1: but I think I think this is the way it is,
Speaker 1: and I think the world is lying to us. But
Speaker 1: you're going to have to make your own decision about
Speaker 1: what you believe. And you know, I'm not against indoctrinating
Speaker 1: my children.
Speaker 5: I'm really not.
Speaker 1: I feel like if we don't indoctrinate them, the world
Speaker 1: is ready to do it, So I'm not opposed to that,
Speaker 1: but I do want to be careful just to say
Speaker 1: I don't know everything. I haven't been up there. This
Speaker 1: is what I believe, this is what I think the
Speaker 1: word is saying. But a lot of most people think
Speaker 1: it's the other way. So be ready to encounter that.
Speaker 1: And it's not something that I would want them to
Speaker 1: ever be bullied about or you know, come into break
Speaker 1: relationship with a friend over. So I'm really delicate in
Speaker 1: the way that we talk about it. I try not
Speaker 1: to shame, you know, anybody who thinks glob wirth. I mean,
Speaker 1: as you've said one hundred times, we've all been there,
Speaker 1: and you know it is designed. So many things in
Speaker 1: our society are designed to deceive us, and Satan is
Speaker 1: really crafty. I mean, he is good at it the
Speaker 1: way that he deceives us, and we spend most of
Speaker 1: our lives not even knowing we've been deceived. So anyway,
Speaker 1: that was a long way of saying that I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be delicate in how we go about teaching our kids.
Speaker 1: I know people have talked a lot about what they
Speaker 1: think is the appropriate way to educate their kids on
Speaker 1: this and to their own. I mean, I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to raise little critical thinkers, That's all I'm trying to do.
Speaker 5: Just do your research thing for yourself.
Speaker 4: Don't take everything a whole sale, take your time to
Speaker 4: look into it better what it is. Save this for later,
Speaker 4: because I certainly want to get to your mom and
Speaker 4: her journey as well. But one of the more hotter
Speaker 4: topics on YouTube and in the truth community is Satan's
Speaker 4: Little Season. Is that one of the rabbit holes that
Speaker 4: you've looked into?
Speaker 5: Yes, I think it is so fascinating.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if it's true, and
Speaker 1: I don't think this is not one that I feel
Speaker 1: like I need to make up my mind on.
Speaker 5: Oh, I just I find it really fascinating.
Speaker 1: Although I'll be totally honest, I think I first heard
Speaker 1: it on your podcast with Tyler fittest letter there. He
Speaker 1: introduced it on your show, and you know what, George,
Speaker 1: to my shame, I got mad, like that that is
Speaker 1: that's wrong, that that is just false doctrine and that's wrong.
Speaker 1: And then I had to giggle because gosh, I thought
Speaker 1: I had matured through. I thought that that was the
Speaker 1: whole point that I wasn't going to respond emotionally, and
Speaker 1: so I had to chastise myself and say, Okay, Joelle,
Speaker 1: he said a thing.
Speaker 5: It was just an idea, and you got mad. Why
Speaker 5: did you respond.
Speaker 1: Internally in anger? And that that caused me to dig
Speaker 1: in and just evaluate and listen. And I've loved watching videos.
Speaker 1: I think it's super fascinating. I don't think my parents
Speaker 1: are quite ready for that one yet, so but we
Speaker 1: you know, they love me no matter what, and we
Speaker 1: what's so fun about being in a relationship with them
Speaker 1: is that they will tolerate these conversations and join in
Speaker 1: and they're not afraid, they're not angry. They just say,
Speaker 1: tell us what you're thinking about, tell us what you're reading,
Speaker 1: because who knows what it could be that week. So
Speaker 1: they're good. They're good to me. You asked me about
Speaker 1: my mom about her journey.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So she sent me the giant thing and she's
Speaker 1: doing her own research and we're just we're just on
Speaker 1: this little journe together, calling each other saying what have
Speaker 1: you learned? Oh my goodness, I saw this video send
Speaker 1: it to me, and it was just it was so
Speaker 1: fun to kind of walk this journey together. And I
Speaker 1: remember when I came to flat earth. I can't remember
Speaker 1: how I had approached it with her, but she was like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy and I can't believe it, but she was.
Speaker 1: She was on board pretty soon after. And then my dad,
Speaker 1: Sorry Dad, if you're listening. We joked about how we
Speaker 1: couldn't tell Dad about flat earth because once my dad
Speaker 1: learned something and he feels really strongly about it, he
Speaker 1: is not quiet. He will tell just about everybody, and so,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the whole world is ready
Speaker 1: for flat Earth.
Speaker 5: So we joked about.
Speaker 1: Maybe not not telling Dad about flat earth.
Speaker 5: But he's on I hope I can. He's on board.
Speaker 1: No, he thinks there's definitely really good scriptural evidence for it.
Speaker 5: So that's really fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, And to watch my pain parents, you know,
Speaker 1: they're in their seventies, and if you want to talk
Speaker 1: about a cliche or stereotypical Baptist minister in his seventies,
Speaker 1: that is not somebody who's got flexibility of mind or
Speaker 1: who changes their mind about scripture.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: But to watch him just I mean, he rejected it
Speaker 1: out of hand. That's nonsense. This is not a thing.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't just me.
Speaker 1: He was reading some other things as well that were
Speaker 1: also bringing up the idea. But to watch him change
Speaker 1: and say, you know what, that actually makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense.
Speaker 5: I mean, it just.
Speaker 1: Bolstered my spirit to see to see him just kind
Speaker 1: of say, okay, I can accept this.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: And I'm I don't know I can say I'm really proud,
Speaker 1: proud of both my parents or that's amazing.
Speaker 6: So did he really get does he truly?
Speaker 4: I'm sure he does, but I'm just kind of I mean,
Speaker 4: being a minister, and this is something that I've had
Speaker 4: a difficult time, I guess getting my point across how
Speaker 4: big of an issue it really is, Like it comes
Speaker 4: off you know what, does it really matter if we
Speaker 4: live on a ball or not. But you know, as
Speaker 4: you as a truth or is a flat earther, as
Speaker 4: you continue to go down this journey, you truly understand
Speaker 4: the ramifications of the goal of Satan here on this
Speaker 4: earth is to is to hide God right, and everything
Speaker 4: is based on science, not the Good Book, not not
Speaker 4: God's word, And that is the big thing. And I'm
Speaker 4: so happy to hear your dad, who was a pastor
Speaker 4: for so long in his seventies come around. I wish,
Speaker 4: I wish so much that pastors would open their minds
Speaker 4: and their eyes and speak this truth. This is very
Speaker 4: you know, it's not John three sixteen, but it is
Speaker 4: certainly a very important part of our life that is
Speaker 4: being hijacked by the by the matrix, by the Satan's
Speaker 4: evil system.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And he's pretty new. You know, this is a fresh,
Speaker 1: a fresh thing for him. And you know, my dad's
Speaker 1: not afraid to go outside of social norms. I mean,
Speaker 1: he sued the governor back here in twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: when they shut the churches down. Awesome for COVID, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, got churches back open in Minnesota. So he
Speaker 1: and you know, he wasn't popular for it. He got
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean there were articles about him in
Speaker 1: the paper, about this militia minded pastor. And so he's
Speaker 1: not new to controversy. So he's not afraid. And certainly
Speaker 1: when he talks to people one on one, he's really
Speaker 1: open with them. I think he promised my mom maybe
Speaker 1: he wouldn't talk about it from the pulpit yet.
Speaker 4: Oh well, yeah, for sure, I completely get it. It
Speaker 4: is something that you know, when I pastor odal and
Speaker 4: those folks. I do think it is. And by the way,
Speaker 4: kudos to your father for doing that. I'm sure, you know,
Speaker 4: especially being in Minnesota. The area is super you know,
Speaker 4: progressive liberal, if you will. I don't like to label things,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure they went after him and that, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're ready to jump into that now,
Speaker 4: you know, twenty and twenty and how that that affected
Speaker 4: you and your journey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm twenty twenty. I mean, I still have a
Speaker 1: little PTSD from that. I mean, it was it was
Speaker 1: a really yucky time, and I know that the whole
Speaker 1: nation experienced it, but to live in Minnesota and we
Speaker 1: were going through the George Floyd Steph at the same time, so.
Speaker 5: Things really blew up here.
Speaker 1: And I'm so thankful that the Lord had brought me
Speaker 1: through some of these other other rabbit holes and other truths,
Speaker 1: so that by the time COVID came, I was pretty
Speaker 1: much aware that something was underfoot. I mean, the first
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, you know, they were showing pictures of
Speaker 1: people falling over dead, and we were all, you know,
Speaker 1: all a little bit concerned. We had a friend, we
Speaker 1: were going to do Bible study and they wanted to
Speaker 1: do it over the phone because they were afraid to
Speaker 1: meet in person, and I said, yeah, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: and we did that, and then that was the last
Speaker 1: That was the last accommodation I made for this, because
Speaker 1: pretty shortly after that I realized it was all nonsense.
Speaker 1: And I came to that realization unfortunately quicker than anybody
Speaker 1: am I circle goal, which was a lonely time because
Speaker 1: I'm an extrovert and I want to be with people
Speaker 1: and I don't want.
Speaker 5: To do this nonsense.
Speaker 1: And I was going to stores without a mask and
Speaker 1: just being I mean harassed. People were so vitriolic, they
Speaker 1: were so angry. They saw me as a threat, and
Speaker 1: they were going to let me know it, I mean
Speaker 1: pushed around in grocery stores, chased it, I mean old
Speaker 1: ladies screaming at me. And I felt bad and I
Speaker 1: did question, like maybe this is not the right thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want to cause this person to be afraid
Speaker 1: that I don't want to contribute to their fear. Like Lord, jeezus,
Speaker 1: I really did ask the spirit for good discernment here,
Speaker 1: How do you want me to act in this really
Speaker 1: weird time? Do I put a mask on so that
Speaker 1: that person feels safe, that feels like the Christian thing
Speaker 1: to do. And I'm trying to be delicate here. The
Speaker 1: Lord really said to me this is it's it's all
Speaker 1: a lie. And the masks are a tool to push fear.
Speaker 1: And by putting one on your face, you are consenting
Speaker 1: and you're partaking and you're saying I agree.
Speaker 5: And it was as it was.
Speaker 1: A spiritual conundrum and conviction and I wasn't able to
Speaker 1: wear one. Not medically I could, I could breathe, I
Speaker 1: didn't have asthma, but I just spiritually couldn't put one on.
Speaker 1: And that was such a hard thing to explain to people.
Speaker 1: I the Lord won't let me put this on my face.
Speaker 1: It just it's it's a lie. So sorry, George. I'm
Speaker 1: spiraling into the memories of COVID. It was a tough time.
Speaker 4: It was an unbelievable time that to this day I
Speaker 4: shake my head and it makes me it shouldn't but
Speaker 4: I get very angry. And that's why my other podcast,
Speaker 4: every six months, i'd play something called the Voices of
Speaker 4: COVID and for two hours I go back and I
Speaker 4: through YouTube, rumble wherever, and I take all these whether
Speaker 4: it's the governor of New York eating a hamburger and saying.
Speaker 6: Hey, you can get a free hamburger if you get
Speaker 6: a vaccine.
Speaker 4: To a pastors being arrested and thrown in jail in Canada,
Speaker 4: to moms in Australia on their Facebook page, you know,
Speaker 4: posting something anti vax cops showing up to their house
Speaker 4: and dragging them away away from their children. We can't write.
Speaker 4: There's some things that they, you know, when I say
Speaker 4: they the puppeteers or you know, the hidden hand, whatever
Speaker 4: you want to call them, have gotten away with whether
Speaker 4: it's the moon landing or nine to eleven. You guys
Speaker 4: know all the rabbit holes that happened during our patrol,
Speaker 4: and I'm not going to let people forget it.
Speaker 1: No, no, And I mean I birthed a podcast out
Speaker 1: of it. Really it was. My podcast was in response
Speaker 1: to this time, just feeling like we were trampled on
Speaker 1: and we lost some things that we can't get back.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are relationships that are still broken over
Speaker 1: what went down, and they stole stuff from us back then,
Speaker 1: and I just don't want to do that again. I
Speaker 1: want Christians, especially. My podcast is really geared toward the believer.
Speaker 1: I want Christians really to ask themselves, what is this messaging?
Speaker 1: Is it pushing fear? Is it asking you to make
Speaker 1: a decision based on fear? Because it's a Christian We
Speaker 1: are not supposed to fear death, right. I think about
Speaker 1: those saints of old during the plague, who they were,
Speaker 1: the ones.
Speaker 5: On the front lines.
Speaker 1: They were walking into the sick houses, and they were
Speaker 1: ministering to people and taking care of them. Come, what
Speaker 1: may you know They weren't hiding in their houses afraid
Speaker 1: of some disease. The Lord asks us to be his
Speaker 1: hands and his feet, and we are not supposed to
Speaker 1: fear death. And so it broke my heart. It broke
Speaker 1: my heart to see churches shut down, to see people isolate,
Speaker 1: and really it showed to me that they didn't trust
Speaker 1: the Lord. And they might say with their lips they
Speaker 1: think he's sovereign, but they don't actually believe that. And
Speaker 1: this whole nonsense about you go to the store and
Speaker 1: people would say, you're gonna kill me, or you're gonna
Speaker 1: kill my dad or kill my grandma. The Christians should
Speaker 1: never say that. We know that we do not decide
Speaker 1: the day we come here or the day we leave here.
Speaker 1: He has our days numbered and he counts all of
Speaker 1: our days, and he's in control of that.
Speaker 5: And so I really wanted.
Speaker 1: To just create a space where we could build a
Speaker 1: collective of courage, where we can say, guess what, there's
Speaker 1: another message here. There's actually a different way to think
Speaker 1: about this thing. Do we have to be afraid of X,
Speaker 1: Y or Z. You know, we can take precautions, but
Speaker 1: we don't need to act irrationally. The Lord does not
Speaker 1: give us a spirit of fear, but of love and
Speaker 1: power and self control. And that's how I want us
Speaker 1: to walk out this life. And I want to remind
Speaker 1: each other we have a do as believers. We have
Speaker 1: a duty to serve others, even in scary times, because
Speaker 1: we had the hope of salvation.
Speaker 5: And eternal life. Come what may. We might die of
Speaker 5: a virus, we might. That doesn't change our directive. That
Speaker 5: doesn't change what God has called us to be here
Speaker 5: to do one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: And not only is it biblical. You know.
Speaker 4: A wise man said a long time ago, never give
Speaker 4: up your your liberty for your security.
Speaker 6: Never be that.
Speaker 4: And by the way, kudos to your dad for standing
Speaker 4: up to that and we had mentioned before we hit
Speaker 4: the record button. We understand that the government, neither the
Speaker 4: right or the left, is looking out for our best interest. However,
Speaker 4: I can't imagine what it was like for you and
Speaker 4: your family when you found out that Waltz who was
Speaker 4: he was the former he was the former governor of Minnesota. Right, yes, correct,
Speaker 4: it was going to be in the presidential race. That
Speaker 4: must have because I mean, like you mentioned, he's single
Speaker 4: handedly really destroyed Minneapolis, right absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, as a Christian, you don't want to say
Speaker 1: you hold hatred in your heart for an individual and
Speaker 1: to really fight against that and want to pray for
Speaker 1: Tim Walls that he would come to salvation in Jesus
Speaker 1: and he would become a changed man and he would
Speaker 1: do the right thing. But it's difficult to see him
Speaker 1: in this position. Although my mom made a really good point,
Speaker 1: she said, at least now he's in the spotlight and
Speaker 1: everybody's going to see all of the corrupt things that
Speaker 1: he did that we don't just have to know in Minnesota.
Speaker 1: The whole world will know all the terrible things that
Speaker 1: he did in Minneapolis. Just corruption, scandal, just mess with finances.
Speaker 1: I mean when the George Floyd thing happened. They basically
Speaker 1: stood by and let that said he burn to the ground.
Speaker 1: They set the police precinct on fire, and we all
Speaker 1: stood by. And it hasn't been the same since. Minneapolis
Speaker 1: is not a place where law and order reigned supreme
Speaker 1: people are. There's ten eleven twelve year old kids carjacking,
Speaker 1: holding people at gunpoint, no consequences, people shoplifting thousands of dollars,
Speaker 1: no consequences. There's just it's scary to think that people
Speaker 1: know they can get away with whatever they want to
Speaker 1: get away with and there's no ramifications. And it's hard
Speaker 1: to live in that environment when you are a law
Speaker 1: abiding citizen to know that that's happening. And a lot
Speaker 1: of people have left the city. And it's sad because
Speaker 1: Minneapolis is just it's a beautiful place. It was a
Speaker 1: beautiful city and he let it crumble. And I blame him,
Speaker 1: so sorry. I didn't mince words there. We don't like
Speaker 1: Tim Walls, I mean some people do. Some people love him.
Speaker 5: It love Kamala too, and I'm sure they'll vote for
Speaker 5: him indeed.
Speaker 4: And that's said not only in Minneapolis and Portland and
Speaker 4: you know, Kensington and Philadelphia, has become decimated. Even here
Speaker 4: in Dover, we've seen the homeless population. I always say,
Speaker 4: if we're going to get back to to truly make
Speaker 4: in this country great again, it can't be through governance.
Speaker 6: It has to be through morals.
Speaker 4: And it is kind of you know, we talk about
Speaker 4: how alarming and shocking twenty twenty was, but you see
Speaker 4: the debauchery in the world today.
Speaker 6: What happened with parenting? And is it just.
Speaker 4: That the parents of this world have become so of
Speaker 4: this world with TikTok and like, listen, there's good things
Speaker 4: on TikTok. So I don't wholesale throw these things out there,
Speaker 4: but for being in the spotlight and being of the world.
Speaker 4: What has happened? How Why has just the morality of
Speaker 4: this country gone in the toilet?
Speaker 1: I personally feel that it's because Satan understands that families
Speaker 1: are so important the way God designed them, that fathers
Speaker 1: and mothers who are involved and invested in training up
Speaker 1: their children, that is God's infallible design, and he hates
Speaker 1: it and out he's out to destroy it.
Speaker 5: And he's been on that war path for a long time.
Speaker 5: I mean he started with them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure it started before this, you know,
Speaker 1: seventies feminist movement, but he's just destroyed the nuclear family
Speaker 1: and that is really where really great Americans are birthed
Speaker 1: and brought up. And if we don't have that, I
Speaker 1: don't want to lose hope. I just know that to
Speaker 1: find our way back, we need to elevate and champion
Speaker 1: moms in the home. We need a champion fathers who
Speaker 1: are around and who are teaching their kids the law
Speaker 1: of God. And not that it's a dogmatic thing, but
Speaker 1: it's like David would say, it is the joy of
Speaker 1: his life. It is it is pure joy, the law
Speaker 1: of the Lord, because it produces righteousness and all good
Speaker 1: things in our lives. And I you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: a place now where staying at home, I'm not the
Speaker 1: odd duck out. For a while in the public school,
Speaker 1: to stay home, that was kind of a radical choice
Speaker 1: among my peers. You know, they thought that was very strange.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to you know, I've got a new
Speaker 1: friend group, and that's a lot.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that's a new normal, bringing
Speaker 1: homeschooling back, bringing.
Speaker 5: Moms back into the home. I hope that trend continues,
Speaker 5: and one of.
Speaker 4: The other things we can do is actions. Actions speak
Speaker 4: louder than words, and I tip my cap to you
Speaker 4: and everyone else who didn't, you know, roll into Walmart
Speaker 4: with your mask. And that is the other divide and
Speaker 4: conquer scheme, right, that they empowered people just to yell
Speaker 4: at you because you weren't wearing a mask, or you're
Speaker 4: five and a half feet away from them instead of six.
Speaker 4: While I did the same thing. There were people who
Speaker 4: yelled at me and screened obscenities, but there were also
Speaker 4: the people, even people in masks, that would kind of
Speaker 4: look at you and nod their head like, hey, thanks man.
Speaker 4: And it's the same thing. Me and my friend we
Speaker 4: try to once a month go down town to Camden
Speaker 4: and we pass out Bible tracks and things of that nature,
Speaker 4: and we get a thank you, Like there's people who
Speaker 4: understand that, you know, we need more of this. We
Speaker 4: need to go out and be examples.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one thing for me to sit behind this microphone
Speaker 4: and you know, talk every week. That's only going to
Speaker 4: reach so many people. I think at some point we
Speaker 4: need to get out of our comfort zones and speak
Speaker 4: the truth in person. It's very intimidating and I know
Speaker 4: a lot of people it's it's a huge step to take.
Speaker 4: But once you take that step and you spend an hour,
Speaker 4: and you know, in a shopping center, outside walking through
Speaker 4: a parking lot and handing out these things, it's an
Speaker 4: amazing feeling. It is such one of the greatest joys
Speaker 4: of my month.
Speaker 5: I guess, oh yeah, and you know that.
Speaker 1: I you know, when you were talking about people giving
Speaker 1: you a nod, I was working. I was walking through
Speaker 1: a farm store fleet farm, and an older gentleman, a
Speaker 1: veteran the Korean War.
Speaker 5: Stopped me and shook my hand and just thanked me.
Speaker 1: He goes, I just I this gives me hope that
Speaker 1: we haven't totally thrown away all the freedom that I
Speaker 1: fought for. And I almost cry right there to think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that must be hard for these veterans to see all
Speaker 1: of us young people masking up and just not valuing
Speaker 1: the freedom that they fought for. And I think to
Speaker 1: see people say I had other people come and say
Speaker 1: I'm too afraid. I hate the mask. It makes me anxious,
Speaker 1: but I'm too afraid to do anything. And then they
Speaker 1: see me without a mask, and they had the courage
Speaker 1: to take their mask off too.
Speaker 5: So, yes, fear is.
Speaker 1: A virus that pervades our society, and Satan uses it
Speaker 1: as a tool to make us all think and do
Speaker 1: the same thing. But I would like to counter with
Speaker 1: the fact that courage is courageous too, that we can
Speaker 1: do hard things, and that can signal to somebody else
Speaker 1: that they can do hard things. And I think it's
Speaker 1: just as powerful of a tool.
Speaker 4: Amen, let's kind of make our way to your six
Speaker 4: silver bullets. Oh sure, having flat Earth?
Speaker 5: Yes, back to flat Earth. I am. I'm going to
Speaker 5: pull them up here real quick. Sorry.
Speaker 1: I always say scripture first because I've loved it my
Speaker 1: whole life. It's never led me wrong, and I really can't.
Speaker 1: I came to the biblical aspect of it after seeing
Speaker 1: odd and some of these you know, tangible experiments that
Speaker 1: people were doing with their cameras and so forth, and
Speaker 1: then once that scripture piece came in, it was just
Speaker 1: so it was like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm in if
Speaker 1: scripture says so like, that's all I need, even though
Speaker 1: I had the other pieces to it and I loved it.
Speaker 1: Just what I talked about with going through the Bible
Speaker 1: again with fresh eyes, with the giants thing. I did
Speaker 1: that over again with flat Earth. And it's not just Genesis.
Speaker 1: I mean you can read the whole Bible, and there
Speaker 1: are scriptures through all of it, through the Old Testament,
Speaker 1: through the Profits, through the New Testament where this is
Speaker 1: highlighted and shown. And so it's so fun to read
Speaker 1: your scriptures and not have to like twist and bend
Speaker 1: and accommodate for science, but to.
Speaker 5: Just read it how it's written, and.
Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to understand and to say, Yep,
Speaker 1: that's just how it is, and it says that because
Speaker 1: that's the way it is. So I love that the Sun.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the Sun. It is just it's been.
Speaker 1: It was created for us, Honestly, it was created. God
Speaker 1: gave us the gift of the sun to do so
Speaker 1: many miraculous things in our bodies. And I'm really learning
Speaker 1: That's one of the rabbit holes I'm going into now,
Speaker 1: is learning how the sun just benefits us and what
Speaker 1: happens to us when we don't have the sun. And
Speaker 1: we can talk about bill Gates and chemtrails, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to derail us. But there's an agenda there,
Speaker 1: there's a separation they want to separate us from the Sun,
Speaker 1: and it's a really big deal.
Speaker 5: But I love looking at the crepuscular rays and I'm
Speaker 5: always pointing them out to my kids.
Speaker 1: Like look, look, look, the Sun's right there and these
Speaker 1: beautiful rays, you know, pushing through the clouds, and look
Speaker 1: at the angle on that. And there's so many videos
Speaker 1: out there just showing clouds in front of the Sun,
Speaker 1: clouds behind the sun, the Sun just kind of floating
Speaker 1: in between this pile of clouds, Like, clearly there's something
Speaker 1: behind it, there's something in front of it. I don't
Speaker 1: have to be super smart to figure out that that's
Speaker 1: something that's really close to us. And then you just
Speaker 1: smack yourself on the forehead and say, how come I
Speaker 1: didn't see that before? Like or why like crepuscular rays
Speaker 1: they're at an angle, right, because that would suggest the
Speaker 1: geometry of the Sun being close, because if it were
Speaker 1: ninety three million miles away, all of the rays would
Speaker 1: come down perpendicular to the Earth and there would be
Speaker 1: no differentiation, Like.
Speaker 5: Duh, why didn't Why didn't I think that?
Speaker 1: So? And then the stars another forehead smack thing there too,
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, all of these monuments that were built
Speaker 1: all over the Earth to line up with these with
Speaker 1: these star patterns, but they're thousands of years old. Well,
Speaker 1: weren't the stars different two thousand years ago than they
Speaker 1: are now? If we're catapulting through this ever expanding galaxy.
Speaker 1: And I've brought that point up to some Christian friends
Speaker 1: who are not on the same page, and they say, oh,
Speaker 1: but those light those stars are so many trillion billion
Speaker 1: miles away that even though it's changing, it's so far
Speaker 1: away that it's negligible. It doesn't really make it doesn't
Speaker 1: really look like change. They are changing, but it's so
Speaker 1: minuscule because they're so far away, that's what they say.
Speaker 1: So I, as you know, the way to really disengage
Speaker 1: the mind from something is to throw numbers at something
Speaker 1: that just break your brain.
Speaker 5: And then you.
Speaker 1: Say, okay, well, because I can't calculate the billion trillion,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to tap out and leave that up
Speaker 1: to these business right who know what they're talking about.
Speaker 1: But as soon as you realize, like, oh, their theories,
Speaker 1: oh and it's changed ten times. Oh and the textbook
Speaker 1: that was published this year is different than what it
Speaker 1: said last year because they found something new and they
Speaker 1: changed like you know that that invalidates them. We can
Speaker 1: see too far. I love this one. I love this one.
Speaker 1: I think there I mean conversation over right. I mean
Speaker 1: they give us a formula, they say there's curvature, and
Speaker 1: I mean I haven't done any experience personally. So here
Speaker 1: I am trusting a video from somebody else, but over
Speaker 1: and over again, thousands, you know, thousands of feet of
Speaker 1: curvature that are supposed to be that just aren't over
Speaker 1: thirty forty fifty miles away.
Speaker 5: We can see things.
Speaker 1: And that that to me, I was suggested, It was
Speaker 1: suggested to me by some leadership at our church to
Speaker 1: read Danny Faulkner's book Falling Flat is like a counter
Speaker 1: Are you familiar with that book, George vaguely?
Speaker 5: Okay. It's like it's a Christian.
Speaker 1: Counter book to the flat Earth movement, and it's put
Speaker 1: out by answers in Genesis. And I read it, and
Speaker 1: I was it was, it was, it was difficult.
Speaker 5: I read it.
Speaker 1: I did my due diligence, and I kept looking for
Speaker 1: the part where he debunks the formula. I said, we must,
Speaker 1: we must be calculating this formula incorrectly. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that must be happening here. If he's going to
Speaker 1: debunk how we see too far, he's going to he's
Speaker 1: going to surely go to this chapter, he's going to
Speaker 1: put the formula, and he's going to say, these flatter
Speaker 1: earthers are not calculating this correctly.
Speaker 5: I never found it. He never, he never addressed it.
Speaker 1: It wasn't there was It wasn't brought up the fact
Speaker 1: that we see too far.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that surprised me.
Speaker 6: As soon as I saw his book cover.
Speaker 4: I remember this book because he even on the book
Speaker 4: cover it's the disc with you know you're going to
Speaker 4: fall off the edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, And like we say, they're on
Speaker 1: their own journey.
Speaker 5: But also you build a career out of something.
Speaker 1: It really does you kind of have to stay in
Speaker 1: your brick walls, so to speak. NASA moon landing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: once that was shadowed. We talked about that earlier. And
Speaker 1: then my gut, and I know that might be overlooked,
Speaker 1: but when I say my gut, I really mean the
Speaker 1: Holy Spirit and I over this journey of going down
Speaker 1: these rabbit holes and really not not knowing is this
Speaker 1: material that I'm reading or this video that I'm watching.
Speaker 1: Is it true? How do I know what I'm accessing
Speaker 1: is true? This author could be lying, this video could
Speaker 1: be manufactured. And I just continually go to the Holy
Speaker 1: Spirit and say, you are the source of truth. You
Speaker 1: speak to me all the time, you are faithful to
Speaker 1: do so. If I am wrong about flat Earth, I
Speaker 1: have said this prayer many times.
Speaker 5: Lord.
Speaker 1: If I'm wrong about flat Earth, Lord show me. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be wrong. I don't want to think
Speaker 1: wrongly about this. I want to be true to your word.
Speaker 1: I don't want to lead people astray. Reveal it to me.
Speaker 1: If this is a demonic doctrine, Lord, give me such
Speaker 1: a repelling feeling that I know right away, and I
Speaker 1: will say, only the opposite has been true. Anytime that
Speaker 1: I'm reading, like Danny Faulkner's book or other things that
Speaker 1: are that are going against it, I get that feeling,
Speaker 1: that yuck feeling of this is wrong. Now, your skeptic
Speaker 1: will say, you know, she's got a preconceived notion and
Speaker 1: she's gonna emotionally feel the way she wants to feel.
Speaker 5: And that's fine. It's subjective, but it is for me.
Speaker 1: One of of the ways that I test a doctrine
Speaker 1: and test the spirit as ask the Lord to guide us,
Speaker 1: because he's faithful and he's the source of truth, and
Speaker 1: we should start there.
Speaker 4: I suppose amen, one hundred percent. All six were fantastic.
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny when I was preparing my questions
Speaker 4: earlier for you, I didn't even realize that Revelations twenty
Speaker 4: versus seven and eight, which addresses satan little season, which
Speaker 4: I mentioned earlier, it actually talks about the four current
Speaker 4: of the four corners of the Earth in that verse.
Speaker 6: Oh wow, look at that.
Speaker 4: And of course, you know we talk about numbers, and
Speaker 4: you know they talk about ninety three million miles, but
Speaker 4: just put it in the matter of feet. How many
Speaker 4: feet is ninety three million my four hundred and ninety
Speaker 4: one billion, forty million feet? And you know when you
Speaker 4: talk about the crepuscular rays and everything else, that the
Speaker 4: sun is just not that far away. And then they
Speaker 4: talk about in our science books about the core of
Speaker 4: the earth and the and you know, we've only dug
Speaker 4: you know, seven or eight thousand feet. We we just
Speaker 4: have to, like you said earlier, raise our children to
Speaker 4: be critical thinkers. You know, sometimes they are right, sometimes not.
Speaker 4: But we are in a timeline where I mean it
Speaker 4: could actually save your life, as noted in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Mm.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I think about that a lot. People say
Speaker 1: why does it matter? And I say, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: to the Christian it doesn't unless Satan is planning some
Speaker 1: type of big deception that involves space, like maybe aliens
Speaker 1: or whatever, and you're going to run and be afraid
Speaker 1: and do the thing they want you to do, just
Speaker 1: like you did with COVID. But what if you already
Speaker 1: knew that that was impossible, then it is consequential, then
Speaker 1: it does matter. So I'm you know, the Lord has
Speaker 1: been so faithful. I know, I've said this one hundred times.
Speaker 1: He's kind of kept me a step ahead of some
Speaker 1: of this stuff, and I haven't had to I mean,
Speaker 1: I've suffered during COVID, just being feeling alone, that's all.
Speaker 1: But I never had to suffer what my friends did,
Speaker 1: which was feeling the terror of what was going on,
Speaker 1: because I had kind of seen the magician's trick, I
Speaker 1: will say, and so I just just shrugged it off
Speaker 1: and said, eh, this isn't what they say it is.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to keep on living my life. And
Speaker 1: that served me well.
Speaker 6: Awesome, we still have a few minutes.
Speaker 4: I would invite you to talk a little bit about
Speaker 4: chemtrails because I've uttered it a lot on my other
Speaker 4: podcast and it's a very important topic. Many people think
Speaker 4: it is about poisoning, which it's interesting because it's barium
Speaker 4: and aluminum and that's b al and the symbolism, but
Speaker 4: I also think it's what you were mentioning something too,
Speaker 4: a spiritual entity to it as well.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Yeah, I mean I have been interested in
Speaker 1: chemtrails for a long time and just my spirit just
Speaker 1: sinks when I see them spring, because, like I said,
Speaker 1: there's something. There's something about the sun. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we should worship it, but the God gave us this
Speaker 1: gift of the sun. I'm having a gal on my
Speaker 1: podcast next month. I'm not sure if she's a believer
Speaker 1: or not, but she has dug in deep. She's a
Speaker 1: medical professional, and she's going to talk about all of
Speaker 1: the different hormonal processes that are started and signaled by
Speaker 1: the sun at different types of times of the day,
Speaker 1: and how it helps our cortisol and our melatonin so
Speaker 1: we can sleep, and just how we are so our
Speaker 1: ratio of light has been so thrown off that it's
Speaker 1: caused a multiple of problems in the human race, obesity
Speaker 1: and inflammation and so forth, And how like the sun
Speaker 1: is the key. We need to be in the sun
Speaker 1: so much more than we are. And then I go
Speaker 1: out and I try to be in the sun. I
Speaker 1: can't because the skuy's have been sprayed with this nonsense.
Speaker 1: And I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 1: I've been asking myself ever since I was aware of it,
Speaker 1: what is their objective? Why are they doing it? I
Speaker 1: don't understand their motive. Are they trying to poison our soils?
Speaker 1: Are they trying to hide something in the skies they
Speaker 1: don't want to see? Are they trying to hide flat earth?
Speaker 1: Are they trying to hide how close the sun is?
Speaker 1: I don't know what their objective is. I think right now,
Speaker 1: right now, I think they're just trying to keep us
Speaker 1: disconnected from the sun because it's so pivotal to our
Speaker 1: physical and mental and spiritual well being.
Speaker 5: I guess that's all. I don't know any more than
Speaker 5: you do about it.
Speaker 4: Really, well said, I one hundred percent agree with you,
Speaker 4: and my wife is more on top of it than me.
Speaker 6: We'll get out of the car last week, I.
Speaker 4: Think, and she just stopped and she's just shook my
Speaker 4: goodness and looked up and we had gotten a heck
Speaker 4: of a spray last week. And it was funny because
Speaker 4: I checked the chat room and sure enough somebody had
Speaker 4: mentioned they were somewhere in the Central time zone like
Speaker 4: you are, that they got really sprayed as well.
Speaker 6: And they don't deny it.
Speaker 4: They've had newscasts about it, and it's just something that
Speaker 4: you know there is it's not in our best interests.
Speaker 6: I can promise you that it's not.
Speaker 1: And I think it's hard because you know all the
Speaker 1: other things that we know about, whether it's GMO food
Speaker 1: or changed water.
Speaker 5: We can do.
Speaker 1: Something about that. We can buy ourgainner car, we can
Speaker 1: filter our water. But they feel like there's nothing we
Speaker 1: can do about what they're spraying in our skies, and
Speaker 1: so I can feel a little discouraged. But I just
Speaker 1: sometimes will say out loud, I do not consent. And
Speaker 1: sometimes we asked Jesus to move the chemtrails away and
Speaker 1: he does. And then at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I remind myself God sees all, and whoever's in charge
Speaker 1: of this and doing this, there will be judgment as
Speaker 1: he sees fit for them. And this is not our
Speaker 1: forever home. We are just passing through. This is a
Speaker 1: temporary experience. And the thing that we yearn for, which
Speaker 1: is this connection to God and a healthy, wonderful place.
Speaker 1: We all yearned for it, whether you're a believer or not,
Speaker 1: that desire is there, which is proof of a creator
Speaker 1: and God. We'll get that someday, and that's what I
Speaker 1: comfort myself with. There will be a new Heaven and
Speaker 1: a new Earth, and there won't be any camp trails
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 4: No praise God, no camp trails, no bioengineered foods, no Monsanto,
Speaker 4: no vaccine.
Speaker 6: Right, none of it, none of it all.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Did you have anything else you wanted to touch on
Speaker 4: before we signed off?
Speaker 6: Anything else that you have?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean the last closing thoughts? Yea,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind, I really want to make sure
Speaker 1: I hit on this. I have a pastor who I've
Speaker 1: listened to a lot on different shows. He talks about
Speaker 1: is it safe for the Christian to be a conspiracy theorist?
Speaker 1: And I think he wrote a book. I should have
Speaker 1: looked it up before I came on. I think it's
Speaker 1: called The conspiracy and the Christian. His name is Pastor
Speaker 1: Doug van Dorn, and I'm going to butcher his quote,
Speaker 1: but basically he said, to the response of the question
Speaker 1: is it safe for a Christian to be a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: he says, not only is it safe, but it is
Speaker 1: our duty because the world can go run and chase
Speaker 1: these rabbit trails and get sucked into all sorts of
Speaker 1: nonsense and craziness. But the Christian is rooted and tethered
Speaker 1: to the one and only truth. And since we have
Speaker 1: the truth, it is our duty to search out a
Speaker 1: matter and to speak the truth of it to others
Speaker 1: and to guide them and help them see the truth.
Speaker 1: And that just was such an encouragement to me that
Speaker 1: that's that is our duty as believers. And I just
Speaker 1: really want to talk to any of your audience memberists today.
Speaker 1: If you don't have that far foundation, and you're not
Speaker 1: tethered to Christ and you're jumping down these rabbit holes
Speaker 1: and you're seeking, ever searching, ever thirsty for the truth,
Speaker 1: and you're just coming up realizing there's another rabbit hole
Speaker 1: around the next corner, and you will never come to
Speaker 1: know the truth. I'm telling you that truth can be
Speaker 1: found in Jesus. He is the last piece to any puzzle.
Speaker 1: He is the key that will open the door. He
Speaker 1: says of himself in John that he is the door,
Speaker 1: the bread of life, the living water. He says all
Speaker 1: these things about himself, and most importantly, he says, I'm
Speaker 1: the Way and the truth and the life, and no
Speaker 1: one comes to the Father except through me. So I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, if you hear my voice on this podcast
Speaker 1: today and you are searching for answers and for truth
Speaker 1: and you want that solid foundation that George and I
Speaker 1: are talking about, turn to Jesus ask him to be that,
Speaker 1: because this latter thing is so fascinating and so interesting.
Speaker 5: But really it doesn't matter. At the end of the.
Speaker 1: Day, when you die, He's either going to say to you,
Speaker 1: well done, good and faithful servant, Come and join me
Speaker 1: in my house, or depart for me. I never knew you,
Speaker 1: you workers of iniquity, and at that moment, flat Earth
Speaker 1: won't matter to you.
Speaker 5: And I just want to remind all of us.
Speaker 1: Yes, but earth is so fascinating and it validates the
Speaker 1: word of God. But the most important thing is do
Speaker 1: you know him? And does He know you? And luckily
Speaker 1: the gospel is simple. Jesus just says, repent and believe.
Speaker 1: So it is an open call. You don't need to
Speaker 1: be a genius. You don't need to spend thousands of
Speaker 1: hours jumping down the rabbit hole of the gospel. God
Speaker 1: puts it right there for you because He desires you
Speaker 1: to come into the kingdom. So that don't delay. That
Speaker 1: is there for you. And I guarantee you, if you're searching,
Speaker 1: you will find the truth that will be a balm
Speaker 1: to your soul.
Speaker 4: In Christ well said, and you know it's you know,
Speaker 4: you've read it a thousand times. But when you still here, welcome.
Speaker 4: You know your names in the book, or I never
Speaker 4: knew you? Can you imagine I never knew you? The
Speaker 4: man you've created you. I mean, there's all the things
Speaker 4: we talk about. There's nothing more important than getting to
Speaker 4: know Jesus Christ. And there you know, really just to
Speaker 4: put a whole big bow on everything you just said,
Speaker 4: it truly trivializes all our worldly problems, right yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you go out to a restaurant.
Speaker 6: I ordered it medium. This is medium, well, and you.
Speaker 4: Know all the first world problems we have, our air
Speaker 4: conditionings out you know when you talk about eternity, all
Speaker 4: those things we get upset about our football team losing
Speaker 4: by a field goal, all of these things are truly
Speaker 4: just trivial in the sense of how seventy or eighty
Speaker 4: years on this earth is compared to eternity. So everything
Speaker 4: you just said was one hundred percent spot on right.
Speaker 5: And what are we doing with the short time that
Speaker 5: we have? Are we doing his work? Are we doing
Speaker 5: what we can? George?
Speaker 1: I know you're doing it, and I'm so thankful, and
Speaker 1: I want you just to keep on doing it and
Speaker 1: bringing truth to people.
Speaker 4: And you too, And make sure you guys catch her podcast,
Speaker 4: which is entitled The Courage Contagion. I will have the
Speaker 4: links in the show notes so you don't have to
Speaker 4: go searching for it. Her email address if you'd like
Speaker 4: to reach out, is the Courage Contagion at gmail dot
Speaker 4: com and it is in the show notes as well,
Speaker 4: so don't feel like you have to write it down
Speaker 4: if you'd like to reach out. What a fantastic guess
Speaker 4: you have been. And by the way, his book was
Speaker 4: Conspiracy Theory by Doug Van Door. I have the link
Speaker 4: to that in the show notes as well, and I'm
Speaker 4: looking forward to reading it. Also, so thank you so
Speaker 4: much for your time. This was a wonderful episode and
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's going to mean a lot to a.
Speaker 6: Lot of people.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you for having me George. It was a
Speaker 1: pleasure as well.
Speaker 4: Likewise, and again, much success with your fantastic podcast, and folks,
Speaker 4: thank you so much for continuing to support the podcast.
Speaker 4: Don't forget our website, the flatterth Files dot com and
Speaker 4: if you would like to be a guest, it is
Speaker 4: fe Files guest at gmail dot com. God bless you all.
Speaker 4: Keep your head on a swivel. And until we meet
Speaker 4: again next week, my friends, we will see you.
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Speaker 7: had some pain. I'm not feeling tired.
Speaker 8: Tell down all the way. Yeah, I know you feeling
Speaker 8: you smile ain't the same. I saw where to go
Speaker 8: from here. I feel like you've lost your way.
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Speaker 3: Don't let call the primise. It ain't done yet. He's gone.
Speaker 8: I'll plaid.
Speaker 6: What's a way?
Speaker 3: God up? May come?
Speaker 8: What fight?
Speaker 1: God m called?
Speaker 6: I can see the street beside you.
Speaker 9: Childs are putting up five.
Speaker 10: Oh, you're stronger than any thing you are. Yeah, you're
Speaker 10: gonna be all right. You're accepting a dead bodid.
Speaker 6: Beautiful. You're shoving ride.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moving, you can hold your head
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Speaker 7: Oh, don't give up, No, don't give in, So do
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Speaker 7: and don't give up No dog giving but never this hole.
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Speaker 7: Lover is worth living. Watch and down the God of.
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