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Speaker 1: Hey, if you're like me, you get a little tired

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of searching for your favorite podcast on one of those

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streaming outfits. You type something in and they say, oh,

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did you mean this? No, the only place to go

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is Arrow dot net A R r oe dot net.

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All seventeen of my podcasts are waiting for you to

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enjoy and to learn something. Thanks for supporting me throughout

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the years. Good morning, Kent, How are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Great Arrow?

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, man, I growing up in the

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state of Montana, the home of the Big Sky Country,

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and then moving to the Carolinas, I take books like

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what you've got here, and they become my tools because

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when I look up into that sky at a meteor

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shower or a full moon, I want to see what

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you're seeing. I want to see you know, everything that

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you're researching, because I mean, you're giving us all of

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this information now I want to see it in action. Okay,

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I mean what is that like for you to be

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able to transfer that power to your readers as well

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as followers, because I mean, all of a sudden, I

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mean it's like you've got new things to think about

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here in this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, one of the things that I really

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enjoy arrow is I enjoy learning about things and then

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sharing that information with people. And you know, one of

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the things I work with a longtime editor, a guy

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named Max Slawford, and whenever I send him a new chapter,

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he'll always ask me, Ken, so how do you feel

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about this? And I'll be like, you know, Max, I

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don't know. I liked it, but the question is whether

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you like it. An artist doesn't know if their work

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is successful until they hear from the audience. And so

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that's why this is such an exciting time for me,

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because I've been laboring on this book for two years.

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You know. I usually I'm one of those annoyingly fast

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writers that I usually pop a book out in you know,

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three to five months. I spent two years on this

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one because I really wanted to get it right. I

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wanted to talk to the leading figures in the field.

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I wanted to you know, present their views fairly, and

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you know, then I have my own, you know, opinions

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about what they said. So, you know, I like to

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be fair to people. I like to let them talk,

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you know, have them share everything that they think, and

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then you know, I'll chime in with well, what about this?

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What about that?

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Speaker 1: Ye don't you think it's because you are living in

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a new age of journalism where you have that space

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and that time where you can take, you know, to

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really dive into a project, give it two years, but

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by giving them the opportunity to speak, because so many

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times when it comes to a journalist, they want that

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two minute bite because that's what they're going to get

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it for the six pm news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's something my wife and I

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talk a lot about because you know, I'm not big

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on social media or stuff like that, so I'm kind

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of like, you know, I just like the long form,

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you know. I like to really be able to take

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my time really understand it, you know, and I like

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to write my books. And it's it's kind of interesting

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because I've heard some podcasters will say things like, oh,

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I don't want to have somebody on just because they're

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they're showing their new book, And I'm like, God, that's

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the whole that's the wrong perspective. The perspective is don't

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you want to hear from somebody who's taken their time

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to thoroughly understand a subject? And you know, I find

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a little anti intellectual to be down on somebody because

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they wrote a book. To me, if somebody wrote a book,

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I was like, wow, Okay, I really want to talk

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to you because you took the time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I see. I love you where your heart is

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because you know people will ask me, so, do you

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want to talk with Elton John or the guy that

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goes up there and vacuums the stairs going on to

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the stage. Yep, that's who I want to talk to.

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I want to talk to the vacuum cleaner guy because

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he's got a story. Kn't's got a story? Yeah, please

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do not move. There's more with kent Heck and Lively

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coming up next. The name of the book Catastrophic Disclosure.

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We're back with kent Heck and Lively. I can't look

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into the sky the same anymore. And it's because of

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the things that you do, Because I mean, here's this

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Trinity Crash. Why is it in all of my love

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for the sky? I've never heard of the Trinity Crash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the reason you probably haven't heard about it

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is because the book on it, by Jacques vl At

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and Paula Harris is relatively new. It came out in

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twenty twenty but that was what was interesting. And I

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think what I do that's a little bit different is

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I may give the readers a different spin on the narrative.

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So everybody knows about the Roswell crash, okay, and we

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spend some time on the Roswell crash. But something about

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the Roswell narrative didn't make sense to me. And here's

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what didn't make sense. Supposedly, our first nuclear bomb explosion

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in July of nineteen forty five sent a distress signal

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or something out to the rest of the galaxy, and

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the Flying Saucer people came and I was like, well,

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that makes no sense because we exploded that bomb in

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July of nineteen forty five and it took them till

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July of nineteen forty seven to show up. That's two years. Well,

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along comes the Trinity Crash, which is covered in the

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book by Jacques Vle and Paula Harris. And what it

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says is that the first crash was not Roswell, but

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this so called Trinity crash, which happened one month to

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the day after we exploded that nuclear bomb, and it

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was discovered by two young boys on horseback. Now, the

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other thing That was interesting That this always bugged me

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about Roswell is when I looked at the military response,

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I couldn't help but think they know what the hell

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they're doing. They're executing a plan, and I'm like, no, no,

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I know how organizations work. If something unusual happens, they

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don't know what the hell they're doing. Well, you go

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to read the Trinity Crash and you go, oh, okay,

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I got it. This is the government not having a

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single clue. I mean, World War Two ended the day

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before this crash, and so you know, I put myself

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in the mind of a World War two general who's

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just spent four years fighting the most brutal war in history.

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He goes to work the next day, he wants to relax,

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and an adjudant comes up to and says, Sir, we

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had a crash in the New Mexico Desert. Oh what, Nazi, Russian, Japanese. No,

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not from any of those places, sir.

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Speaker 1: So like the shocking information that you're putting inside the

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new book, I guess I sit here and I always

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think about the other communities that have their own information.

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How do you bond with them? If everybody's coming at

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you with different information at all times. Is it the

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listener in you, because you kind of pointed that out

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in the very beginning listen first then.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I don't know, it's it's just always sort

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of been my thing. You know, in my family, I

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always kind of always noticed the family diplomat who listened

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to everybody before I spoke. So I think I'm just

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wired that way. I want to listen to people and

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then I'll ask questions. Wow.

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Speaker 1: So then here's the situation. Then, how do you feel

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about these cylinder spaceships as they're looking at them up

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there in space right now, where they're already saying, well,

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should we send up a bomb and get rid of it?

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Or a planet that or a meteor that's you know

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that could come really close to the United States. So

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the thing is is that as that author, as that

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journalist and historian, how do you deal with that going

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I would say, put your bombs away and let let

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it just happen.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, so you know, there's a couple of different

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questions in that. You know, when I was a kid,

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I wanted to be a paleontologist. So the fact that

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an asteroid slammed in the Earth and killed my dinosaurs

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pisses me off. Yeah so so so you know, hey,

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let's defend ourselves against you know, planet killing, you know, meteors.

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I'm all in favor of that. But you know, this,

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this nonsense that has been going on about this Atlas

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comment just annoys the crap out of me, because you know,

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it's this part of this threat narrative which which a

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lot of the UFO people talk about, which is, hey,

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UFOs are real, but the intelligence spooks are going to

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try to scare you because they want to justify insane

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amounts of spending to the defense contractors to defend us

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against the threat from space, which the UFO people feel

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is not real.

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Speaker 1: Wow, ten minutes with you is just not enough. I mean,

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I wanted to dive into the Northern lights. I think

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that they're guiding the aliens to the planet. I think

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they're being used as a tool. I mean, I just

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there's so much going on because the Northern lights are

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being seen in the south and there's got to be

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a reason why, and you are the man that's going

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to have that answer. Well, you'd be brilliant today. Man.

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It's always fun having a conversation with you, Sir, all right,

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thanks so much, Erro