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Speaker 2: The camera like pans up above the clouds and it's
Speaker 2: like I should have warned you about that or whatever
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Speaker 1: And I'm like hitting you with my harp. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Captain to Gilligan or Skipper or whatever.
Speaker 2: But hey, hey, we are here to talk about Mission Impossible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I recently rewatched before we even really settled
Speaker 1: on this. It was playing in a theater and I
Speaker 1: got to catch it again and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: this is just such like a cool cracker Jack hest movie.
Speaker 1: And then when you brought it up, you know, to
Speaker 1: do as a commentary because we have Final Reckoning coming
Speaker 1: out in about a week, I was like, Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be a great one.
Speaker 2: The nice thing is, at least for me. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had not seen this in a little while, so
Speaker 2: it did feel somewhat fresh. And I feel like, at
Speaker 2: this point it is remarkable to be twenty nine years
Speaker 2: deep into a franchise that is still ongoing as of
Speaker 2: this recording. Absolute, and let's be real, even if the
Speaker 2: Reckoning is final to some extent, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: final final.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean it may change in some ways,
Speaker 1: but this is just such a lucrative franchise for Paramount.
Speaker 2: To quote Joey Pants, during the making of The Fugitive,
Speaker 2: they'll pay some other asshole twenty million dollars and have
Speaker 2: him run really fast.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, and then you know, Cruise will probably become
Speaker 1: sort of like an elder Statesman figure or something, you know, and.
Speaker 2: He'll become the Jim Phelps.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's right. Yeah, and then he can put chatty.
Speaker 2: It doesn't do it now? Does it exactly? Exactly? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so we have lots to say about this.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a fun conversation. Nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: six is Mission Impossible, directed by Brian de Palmo. Big
Speaker 2: big hit when it came out, and obviously the proof
Speaker 2: of its success is the fact that they are still
Speaker 2: going three decades later.
Speaker 1: It is remarkable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: watch this together. There's only the one cut, So folks,
Speaker 2: if you're listening and you want to watch along with us,
Speaker 2: you can certainly do that.
Speaker 1: You can join us. If not.
Speaker 2: As always, we'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that mission Mission it may be the most impossible
Speaker 2: of all we'll find out. So we're gonna do the
Speaker 2: usual thing. We will hit plan three. So one two
Speaker 2: three plate, Brian, you're ready, I'm ready. Here we go,
Speaker 2: one two three plate.
Speaker 1: I feel like I say this every time, but this
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite movie logos.
Speaker 2: The old Paramount, well specifically the nineties Paramount logo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's sort of pushing to that beautiful blue
Speaker 1: orange sky and then the stars coming in swirling around.
Speaker 1: There's just something very cinematic about it. I love now
Speaker 1: this movie.
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned I've not seen it a ton,
Speaker 2: and yet as soon as the logo came up, I
Speaker 2: could hear Danny Elfman's music coming in. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think this is one of his best scores. And
Speaker 2: it was the first time I heard a Danny Elfman
Speaker 2: score where I was like, that doesn't sound like a
Speaker 2: Danny Elfman score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because there was that moment. Well, he had pee
Speaker 1: Wee and back to School and those definitely are kind
Speaker 1: of of a piece. But then once he did Batman,
Speaker 1: it feels like for a couple of years everyone was like,
Speaker 1: do Batman again. You know, you got dark Man and
Speaker 1: Dick Tracy and those are very much in that Batman
Speaker 1: family or vocabulary. But this I love this score because
Speaker 1: it does feel like Elfman. But yes, it feels like
Speaker 1: it's Elfman attacking something else, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the marriage of Danny Elfman with Lalo Schiffrin's
Speaker 2: iconic Mission Impossible theme is really something special. Like I think,
Speaker 2: you know, every movie has some reorchestration of the Mission
Speaker 2: Impossible theme I think this one might be my favorite
Speaker 2: out of all of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Elfman already leans into a lot of percussion
Speaker 1: instruments and things, and the original Mission Impossible theme is
Speaker 1: very percussion heavy. So yeah, it just feels like a
Speaker 1: great fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much we want to
Speaker 1: get into it just right off the bat, but I
Speaker 1: mean Ellen Silvestri, yeah, was originally hired to do the
Speaker 1: score and had done about twenty twenty three minutes or
Speaker 1: i'm seeing here of music, but he was eventually taken off.
Speaker 2: And I have that soundtrack via bootleg.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I listened to it this morning. Actually, yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 2: Right, I had that thought. I was like, I think
Speaker 2: they made the right choice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it's fine, but knowing what we wound up with,
Speaker 1: this feels like it fits much better and adds to
Speaker 1: the movie in a more special way. Yep, it you know,
Speaker 1: being Elfman. It has this kind of frantic sound that
Speaker 1: I think fits the jangled energy of this movie. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like this intro sequence as kind of it's
Speaker 2: an example, it's like a just another mission of the
Speaker 2: of the im Force.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of a cold open.
Speaker 2: Exactly right, And when we jump into the opening title sequence.
Speaker 2: What I think is really cool is they preserve something
Speaker 2: from the old television series, which is actually the films
Speaker 2: have continued to do throughout, which is that you have
Speaker 2: the opening title sequence including scenes from this episode if
Speaker 2: you will, your right, minus context, right right, And that
Speaker 2: was something the original show did. What's really cool is
Speaker 2: if you look at the shots that we get of
Speaker 2: each of the of the team members in the beginning,
Speaker 2: it's it's them right before they die. Well, I don't
Speaker 2: know if I noticed that, Like, pay attention here, watch
Speaker 2: this each of them right here, right before they die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Isn't that funny?
Speaker 1: Before getting in the car and the elevator shaft?
Speaker 2: But you don't know that, right?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't think about it. That's really funny. Wait,
Speaker 1: so I want to ask you said you haven't seen
Speaker 1: this a lot. I thought you were going to say recently,
Speaker 1: but just in general, is this the one? Well I
Speaker 1: assume too.
Speaker 2: Is probably two I've seen twice.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, so you don't come back to this
Speaker 1: one very often?
Speaker 2: I well, So, just to just to lay my cards
Speaker 2: on the table, I harbored a grudge against this film
Speaker 2: for a long time as a fan of the television
Speaker 2: series I was. I loved the TV show when I
Speaker 2: was a kid. I gone up inside her abay these
Speaker 2: and this film, which I was very excited for, and
Speaker 2: I was very excited to hear they were bringing back
Speaker 2: the character Jim Phelps, who's the who's the lead you
Speaker 2: know in the series, portrayed by Peter Graves. And when
Speaker 2: I watched it and the whole thing turned on on
Speaker 2: making Phelps not just a heel, but really an unrepentant heel, right, it.
Speaker 1: Really it irked me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, you know, and so I sort of like it.
Speaker 2: It was a tough thing to get past when when
Speaker 2: watching this film, and then when it came to the franchise,
Speaker 2: you know, the second one was so god awful in
Speaker 2: my opinion, that it was very easy for me to
Speaker 2: just write off this franchise period. And then you know,
Speaker 2: I saw the third one with Sean actually an opening
Speaker 2: day when it came out, and I loved that, and
Speaker 2: I was like, this feels like the old series to me,
Speaker 2: you know, And from then to now I had never
Speaker 2: looked back, but but this one, you know, I'm at
Speaker 2: a point now just to be clear, I mean, it's
Speaker 2: been almost thirty years. I'm saying when I'm at a
Speaker 2: point now where I'm like, you know what, Yes, he's
Speaker 2: called Jim Phelps, but in my head he's John Boyd.
Speaker 2: It's easier for me to accept this is that asshole,
Speaker 2: John Boyd. You know how Billy z Ayine plays Billy
Speaker 2: z Aye and Zoolander. It's like, exactly, this is John
Speaker 2: and so that's what I choose to do.
Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. Well, yeah, and I can
Speaker 1: understand because I didn't grow up watching the series. I do.
Speaker 1: There was a reboot at one point right in the
Speaker 1: again the late eighties, right eighties. I do remember watching
Speaker 1: that with my dad, so I was familiar with Peter Graves,
Speaker 1: and they brought Peter Graves back for that yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And I did like that a lot. But I can't
Speaker 1: say it was I brought that with me into this,
Speaker 1: so I did just take it at face value. But
Speaker 1: I can imagine, yeah, something I'm a little more familiar with,
Speaker 1: like say Star Trek or something, and they make a
Speaker 1: Star Trek movie and then Captain Kirk is yeah, like
Speaker 1: the unrepented villain. Yeah, that would not be enjoyable.
Speaker 2: That was the example I would use, Like imagine they
Speaker 2: did the first episode of Next Year Narration involves Captain
Speaker 2: Kirk being a trader. You know, people would rightly be upset.
Speaker 2: And my thought, and I promise I'm not going to
Speaker 2: delve into this too much, but my thought was, it's
Speaker 2: having Phelps. If you have him die heroically handed off,
Speaker 2: no problem having him be the heel. I'm like, the
Speaker 2: only people who are gonna like that. The only people
Speaker 2: that's going to mean anything to are the people who
Speaker 2: watched the show and who would know and like the characters,
Speaker 2: So like, why do that?
Speaker 1: Maybe he dies at the hand of a mole exactly.
Speaker 2: Right, Like like let's say the opening sequence here where
Speaker 2: where we think Phelps is dead, Let's say that's his
Speaker 2: heroic death, okay, or he he he ends up through
Speaker 2: the course of it, you know, dying heroically.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I again, I want to be very clear,
Speaker 2: I'm past that.
Speaker 1: Now. Now.
Speaker 2: This scene here was not they didn't shoot it originally.
Speaker 2: This seque is right here. And this is something Emilia
Speaker 2: Stevez talked about where Branda Palmas screen in the film
Speaker 2: for George Lucas, and George Lucas said Oh yeah, it's great,
Speaker 2: but but where's your where's your spaghetti scene? Yeah? And
Speaker 2: by that he meant a scene where you have the
Speaker 2: characters over and over a meal discussing the plan yep,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yeah, that's a good that's a
Speaker 2: good idea. And and this is Brian to Palm that
Speaker 2: you talked about. It's like back then, you know, it's
Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg and George Lucas and Seid of Franciscopo.
Speaker 1: We just get to we just show each other our
Speaker 1: movies amazing.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, I was like, this scene is
Speaker 2: so important because it lulls you into thinking, oh, this
Speaker 2: is our this is our crew.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, especially with Emilio Sivez, like a big star
Speaker 1: being a part of it. Yeah, so which is you
Speaker 1: know that that happens? Right? There's like the big twist
Speaker 1: in Psycho where your main character dies in the middle
Speaker 1: and you're like what you know? And then I don't
Speaker 1: know many many times it happens a lot. I just
Speaker 1: baked on all of them, but it's like, oh a
Speaker 1: scream was another one that came to mind, where Drew
Speaker 1: Barrymore is on the poster and she gets killed in
Speaker 1: the first several minutes, and so yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a good fake out right, thinking that Amelia will be
Speaker 1: part of this movie, but we're shocked that we could
Speaker 1: lose everything. We don't know who's safe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, it's pretty the setup is pretty ingenious
Speaker 2: because well, first of all, emilias Steveez. That's that's how
Speaker 2: it was pitched him. It's like, you'll be in the
Speaker 2: first scene and then we're going to kill you off.
Speaker 1: Nobody expected.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh, that's great, you know, which.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: But the you know, sort of the the crux of
Speaker 2: the television series both versions was that the team would
Speaker 2: get into their scrapes and you think it's it's a
Speaker 2: it's a moment of tension or danger, but ultimately they
Speaker 2: get out of it and you know, nobody in the
Speaker 2: im team dies.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I've used the term competence porn before. That's mission impossible.
Speaker 2: You watch the television show.
Speaker 1: You know, I should really go back and watch this.
Speaker 1: I feel like I would love them. You you absolutely should.
Speaker 2: One thing I always say is like to me personally,
Speaker 2: like I I I like it. Starting with season two
Speaker 2: because that's when Peter Graves came on, he was on it.
Speaker 1: But the seasons two.
Speaker 2: And three, you've got you've got Peter Graves as the lead,
Speaker 2: You've got Martin Landau as as essentially they eat the
Speaker 2: hunt Master of Disguise character. Okay, Barbara Bain, it was.
Speaker 2: It was like a great cast during like seasons two
Speaker 2: and three. Yeah, absolutely worth watching.
Speaker 1: Well and while we're still on it with Amelia Stuvez.
Speaker 1: So he's also uncredited. Yes, right, And apparently I didn't
Speaker 1: know this, but Tom Cruise appears uncredited and Young Guns?
Speaker 1: Wow is that right? Apparently? I I, you know, I've
Speaker 1: actually never seen Young Guns, but that's not a long
Speaker 1: time ago. There's like the Outsider's connection. So you wonder
Speaker 1: if they're just kind of buds, yeah in this moment,
Speaker 1: you know, and just I don't know, doing that for
Speaker 1: one another. Well I like that, Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: This, I mean, this was Tom Cruise's first just straight
Speaker 2: up action movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is strange to think about because now they
Speaker 1: think of him as one of our greatest living action here.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? Like at the time, this was sort
Speaker 2: of this was a lark for Tom Cruise, who was
Speaker 2: like a very well respected you know, thrillers and dramas
Speaker 2: and and hadn't done action movies, but this was his
Speaker 2: first movie as a producer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think it's it's it illustrates. I mean, the
Speaker 2: guy's you know, he's got good instincts in terms of
Speaker 2: storytelling and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you have some more to
Speaker 1: add to this, but it sounds like there was some
Speaker 1: tension between Tom Cruise and DePalma. And knowing what we
Speaker 1: know now, I mean, Tom Cruise in most cases is
Speaker 1: a very hands on producer, Yeah, right, possibly even a
Speaker 1: co director at least when it comes to the mission
Speaker 1: impossible films, like a co collaborator in every sense of
Speaker 1: the word now with mcquarie. Right, Yeah, So it sounds
Speaker 1: like he was maybe bringing that energy even as early
Speaker 1: as this movie.
Speaker 2: And well, and it goes beyond Cruise and de Palma.
Speaker 2: You know, you also had a tension between Brian de
Speaker 2: Palma and Robert Town who who who Tom Cruise and
Speaker 2: Paul Wagner had brought in to rewrite the David kepscript.
Speaker 2: The kep script is what de Palma wanted to direct
Speaker 2: Robert Town, you know, Chinatown, Robert Town.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Obviously having him, you know, in the mix, would sort
Speaker 2: of add to the prestige, and so you had he
Speaker 2: had certain instincts Di Paluma wanted to go a certain way,
Speaker 2: and oftentimes it was like Cruise was the tiebreaker, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is remarkable how this movie did point
Speaker 2: the way for the rest of his career. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is what inaugurated the great Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: running meme, right, I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it really is. I mean yeah it started here.
Speaker 1: I mean before this, yeah, I mean you think the
Speaker 1: younger roles, risky business outsiders, things like that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it was, like you said, sort of adult thrillers like
Speaker 1: The Firm or you know, dramas like Born on the
Speaker 1: fourth of July, Far and Away, epic kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is what we would. Yeah, this was
Speaker 1: a shift, a pivot for him a little bit, it.
Speaker 2: Was, and it it came in a pretty good summer.
Speaker 2: Like I was, I was looking at this is this
Speaker 2: is a memorial Day of ninety six that it came out.
Speaker 2: This was this was a few weeks after the Rock Wow. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: I think the Phantom was this year maybe, like maybe no, No,
Speaker 2: In fact, the Phantom was the same weekend that The
Speaker 2: Rock came Out's also paramount that one did not do well,
Speaker 2: by the way, but yeah, yeah, it did well in
Speaker 2: my heart. Independence Day was this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I uh just looking it up. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have the box office here because I was interested.
Speaker 1: So this was the third highest grossing movie of nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety six. And by the way, Jerry McGuire came out
Speaker 1: this year, which I had a hard time like putting
Speaker 1: that in my brain because I remember seeing both in
Speaker 1: the theater, but they don't.
Speaker 2: Was that was that in the Fall?
Speaker 1: That was in December? Okay? Yeah, but uh yeah, highest
Speaker 1: grossing movie starting at one was Independence Day, then Twister,
Speaker 1: than Mission Impossible, Twister, I forgot about that, Yeah, then
Speaker 1: The Rock, then Netty Professor at five Ransom, which we
Speaker 1: bring up sometimes is a lost or not long lost,
Speaker 1: but forgotten movie that was the sixth highest grossing movie
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety six, and.
Speaker 2: Way down in seventy eighth place the Phantom.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know what's interesting, this movie
Speaker 1: came out it got a sixty five percent Rotten Tomatoes,
Speaker 1: not that that existed then, but now looking at it,
Speaker 1: sixty five percent Rotten Tomatoes. Most critics I saw complaining
Speaker 1: that the plot was too complicated. I remember that, and
Speaker 1: it has a B plus cinema score. Kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: That is interesting. Well, I remember it did well, but
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that anyone really loved it
Speaker 2: when it came out.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that I loved it, but I remember
Speaker 1: liking it a lot. I thought it was cool. I
Speaker 1: thought this movie is very cool. It has a really
Speaker 1: this movie has a weird energy, right.
Speaker 2: Well, especially like on its own, but also when you
Speaker 2: compare it with the other films.
Speaker 1: Yes, but I mean I mean that lovingly. It's it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like a nineties film necessarily. Like there's a
Speaker 1: weird other worldliness to this movie. I finally, like I was,
Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out how to describe it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's certainly heightened, yeah, and all of them
Speaker 1: are to a degree, but this one almost reminds me
Speaker 1: of like an anime, right yeah, well, certainly with.
Speaker 2: The camera angles and things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like the way the drama is executed, and
Speaker 1: even the action sequence, especially the the train sequence at
Speaker 1: the end, there's like a weird, otherworldly, anime esque sort
Speaker 1: of feel of this movie, yeah, which I kind of
Speaker 1: I remember loving then and I still love now, which
Speaker 1: I I do remember, especially when the series turned around
Speaker 1: a little bit with three. Yeah, this was thought of
Speaker 1: as less than but I was always like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's always been a little place in my heart for
Speaker 1: this one.
Speaker 2: And uh, my sense is that this one was always
Speaker 2: fairly well regarded. I don't know anybody who loves the
Speaker 2: second movie. Yeah, and I'm sure they exist. I don't
Speaker 2: want to have anything to do with those people, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I'm sure they're out there. But what I
Speaker 2: like in it too is the fast and the furious
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great comparison.
Speaker 2: This is the fast and the furious of the Mission
Speaker 2: Impossible movies.
Speaker 1: Yes, meaning I mean, if you want to yeah, yeah, well.
Speaker 2: It's it clearly points the way towards the series, but
Speaker 2: but the stakes are a little smaller, the not all
Speaker 2: the pieces are there quite yet, and you know, you
Speaker 2: kind of look at it like, well, this is what
Speaker 2: got the whole thing started, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the tone is very different than any of
Speaker 1: the other films.
Speaker 2: In this one, they're content to steal DVD players off
Speaker 2: of trucks and yeah, exactly if you will, the knocklist
Speaker 2: being the metaphorical DVD player.
Speaker 1: Metmorical DVD TV sets or whatever you know. Like, by
Speaker 1: the way, I there's two things I want to say.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna say this one little factoid because
Speaker 1: we're talking about moments in time and then we can
Speaker 1: comment on what's happening on screen. But h a funny fact.
Speaker 1: I saw that this was the last major studio movie
Speaker 1: to be released on Beta Max video cassette, Wow, which
Speaker 1: puts it in a weird moment in time, right, like
Speaker 1: it ties it to well, this is all the past,
Speaker 1: but like past past, let's say, and this movie is
Speaker 1: also still tied to twenty twenty five because we're getting
Speaker 1: a sequel from it in about a week. So isn't
Speaker 1: that kind of interesting?
Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a nexus point in time. Yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: the past and the future meet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you ever, I mean, just because I think it's
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, did you ever have a Beta max player?
Speaker 2: Or I did not have a Beta Max But but
Speaker 2: you know, Beta never really took off state side, right,
Speaker 2: but in Saudi Arabia, I would say Beta.
Speaker 1: Was the preferred format.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we had we had a VHS and
Speaker 2: it was always harder to get movies on BHS.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, My neighbor had a Beta player, and I
Speaker 1: remember it was like kind of weird because we couldn't
Speaker 1: swap movies. Yeah, you know, and I was like, right,
Speaker 1: why are your VHS cassettes like shorter and stumpier and
Speaker 1: yet better quality. Yes, that's the thing that's the rub, right,
Speaker 1: like they were a higher quality. But anyway, so I yeah,
Speaker 1: I do want to comment on this sequence here, and
Speaker 1: I love the I mean, I'm just gonna say it
Speaker 1: low fi spycraft happening where it's sort of like a
Speaker 1: woman with a perfume bottle spraying some sort of chemical
Speaker 1: that can you know, on someone's back that can be
Speaker 1: seen through special glasses so they can keep an eye
Speaker 1: on him. Like, I love all this stuff.
Speaker 2: It's very h when you when you talk about the
Speaker 2: type of spycraft, it's very feels you know, cold War centric, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, even though we were a few years removed
Speaker 1: from that.
Speaker 2: But this right here, so so we have First of all,
Speaker 2: I didn't I forgot how freaking horrifying his death is. Yeah, Emilios,
Speaker 2: but this is the type of thing like you would
Speaker 2: never have seen this in the old TV show, right,
Speaker 2: they always have these last minute things, and so right
Speaker 2: away it's meant to be like this, ain't this, ain't
Speaker 2: that anymore? You know, like right here when when Phelps
Speaker 2: is like man down, you never heard man down and
Speaker 2: mission impossible, right, And I think it's a great way
Speaker 2: of shaking up the edges sketch.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, and knowing what we know after watching
Speaker 1: the movie at least one time, seeing Phelps here just
Speaker 1: so cold, so cold, and he's orchestrating this death. You
Speaker 1: don't know it in this moment, but yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it's horrifying for this PG. Thirteen movie. We
Speaker 1: see the jagged whatever the hell that is, like go
Speaker 1: right into his face.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's extremely dead, ded dead. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This came at kind of a career resurgence moment for
Speaker 2: John Voight too, right, because he was in Anaconda right
Speaker 2: around the same time, and then he kind of found
Speaker 2: this vein of just like bureaucratic assholes that he played
Speaker 2: for the next decade or so.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, because I know they referenced him on Seinfeld,
Speaker 1: you know, the Yeah, that's Urge buys the car with
Speaker 1: John Foyd's pencil in it or whatever. But I didn't
Speaker 1: really know who that was. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: the moment where I was beginning to like understand who
Speaker 1: John Voight was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm with you, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, they killed Gordon Bombay.
Speaker 2: No, it is nothing sacred.
Speaker 1: I know, what's my teenage self supposed to think? Now?
Speaker 2: Did you see this in the theater?
Speaker 1: I did? I remember it very well? Actually, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember this and Twister. I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: those experiences I remember really well.
Speaker 2: Twister was like the week before this, I think, wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, did you not?
Speaker 2: I didn't see this in theater? You know, I saw
Speaker 2: this via Well. Corey hebying a listener to our show.
Speaker 2: He at the time, we went to high school together.
Speaker 2: He worked at Suncoast Hey Rip, and so he got
Speaker 2: me the VIHS tape for Christmas that year. Oh cool,
Speaker 2: So that was how I That was how I saw
Speaker 2: it for the first time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's so. We talked about how
Speaker 1: DVDs really busted a door wide open where you know
Speaker 1: it used to be sort of unique at least for
Speaker 1: people our age to own many movies, right, And then
Speaker 1: TVD happened, and that was when I was in college,
Speaker 1: and it feels like everybody had at least like eight
Speaker 1: or ten DVDs of something.
Speaker 2: That's exactly it, because I when I was in high school,
Speaker 2: I already had like a little VHS rack and it
Speaker 2: was like my movies. And that was that it's a
Speaker 2: weird thing to say. People maybe don't Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: not normal for most people because they would just rent.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know. Yeah, So that's why when you said
Speaker 1: it like that, was getting this little feeling inside remembering
Speaker 1: in ninety six or seven or whatever, how it would
Speaker 1: have felt having this would be like, oh, that's kind
Speaker 1: of special.
Speaker 2: Like I remember specifically when you're talking about ninety six,
Speaker 2: I owned The Rock on BHS. I owned the Phantom
Speaker 2: on VHS. I owned an Independence Day on VHS. I
Speaker 2: owned this on VHS. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always think back and kind of chuckle remembering
Speaker 1: using my allowance to buy The Fugitive when I was
Speaker 1: thirteen years old, Like what boy was? You know? It
Speaker 1: like a target with his allowance money buying The Fugitive.
Speaker 2: On BHS because that's so funny.
Speaker 1: So now as everything's going down, all the members are
Speaker 1: going to be taken out. So I was reading, I
Speaker 1: thought this was kind of funny. So this was shot
Speaker 1: in Prague, yes, and it was a huge logistical nightmare
Speaker 1: lighting all of this. I mean it's oh wow, you know,
Speaker 1: two miles worth of riverfront that they had to light,
Speaker 1: so they took two weeks to prepare, figuring out how
Speaker 1: to light it, setting it up. And because they had
Speaker 1: done such a beautiful setup, apparently photographers, like amateur photographers
Speaker 1: just came out and droves because now their city was
Speaker 1: lit so beautifully, they could take all these unique pictures,
Speaker 1: you know, with everything I don't know, so beautifully illuminated.
Speaker 1: I thought that was like kind of funny, Like what
Speaker 1: an opportunity. You know, your city's lit up professionally in
Speaker 1: this way that it will probably never be lit up again.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, let's go get some pictures.
Speaker 2: Oh and right here, as we're watching, you know, John
Speaker 2: Voyd just took a header into the ocean. I was thinking,
Speaker 2: here's another way this movie is different from what come.
Speaker 1: It comes later.
Speaker 2: You know Ethan Hunt would would Aquaman dove into the
Speaker 2: water after him. Oh yeah, yeah, Now we have Jesus Hunt. Yeah,
Speaker 2: remember in which one was I think it was a
Speaker 2: rogue nation right where it's like it's it's Ethan Hunt
Speaker 2: disguised as the Alec Baldwin character. Yeah, and he's like
Speaker 2: Hunt is the manifestation of destiny or whatever.
Speaker 1: Remember that? Oh yeah, yea absolutely, I'm like he's a
Speaker 1: living manifestation of destiny.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's what That's what Tom grizz thinks
Speaker 2: of eth the Hunt as you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, that was a beautiful car explosion. It's tricky, right,
Speaker 2: like you don't want it to be too big, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's got to be big enough that you believe
Speaker 2: that the person inside is.
Speaker 1: A crispy critter. Yeah. I'm sort of like admiring the
Speaker 1: craft at least. I feel like now things get plused
Speaker 1: in such a way that we were like, oh, that
Speaker 1: car exploded, but we also are our brains kind of
Speaker 1: realized that that was like an effect. But that was
Speaker 1: a real scrappy sort of car explosion that felt all
Speaker 1: the more dangerous and yeah, for those reasons.
Speaker 2: Now, Christen Scott Thomas, I'm pretty sure this is the
Speaker 2: first movie I saw her in.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was for me.
Speaker 2: But English Patient was probably a couple of years after this.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh was that like six or seven or something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it well, it was it was when Seinfeld was
Speaker 2: still on Yes, yes, of course, So therefore we've got
Speaker 2: like a like a two year window.
Speaker 1: I remember watching The English Patient on VHS with my
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time and being like, this is boor
Speaker 1: that's my memory of it.
Speaker 2: Well, then that Seinfeld episode really spoke to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And apparently the knife that he sees there
Speaker 1: is the same knife that we later see Jean Renau has, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: And and and I mean it's really clever because they
Speaker 2: lay all the pieces in place where I think when
Speaker 2: you're watching it, you're not like, once once the reveals
Speaker 2: are out there, you're not like, oh, come on, it
Speaker 2: all pretty well fits, I.
Speaker 1: Think, you know. And and there is much more.
Speaker 2: Like there's more of a mystery aspect to this movie, yeah,
Speaker 2: than than the later ones, which are which are I
Speaker 2: think more broadly big stunt filled capers totally and you know,
Speaker 2: talking about how you know, it's sort of sort of
Speaker 2: the fast and furious connections which I've made those connections before,
Speaker 2: because I remember when when we did Dead Reckoning and
Speaker 2: that came out the same year as the same summers
Speaker 2: as Fast Ten. I was like, these two movies are
Speaker 2: like it's like a film school assignment where people come
Speaker 2: back with very different movies, but it's it's the same idea,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, yeah, I think I said, like I
Speaker 2: would release them as a two pet called Friends and Family.
Speaker 2: That's good because if you're if you're Don Tretto's family boy,
Speaker 2: you're you're in like Flynn. And if you're eating Hunt's
Speaker 2: Friends boy, I'll tell you he will manifest destiny on
Speaker 2: your behalf.
Speaker 1: Uh. I feel like, uh, man, I had somebody I
Speaker 1: was telling you off, Mike. I mean, in researching this movie,
Speaker 1: it's just so many fascinating things, much more than I
Speaker 1: expected with this movie. I mean, it's funny. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about the movie, but I also want to
Speaker 1: talk about the making of the movie. I thought this
Speaker 1: was interesting. This was the third movie and final movie
Speaker 1: that Paramount Pictures developed, uh, having bought from Lucille Ball's
Speaker 1: Desilu Productions. Right, so we got star Trek Untouchable, Untouchable,
Speaker 1: This is impossible, Like that's just one of those things.
Speaker 1: You it's like a little footnote, but a fascinating one
Speaker 1: for Lucille Ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, well, and you can see why Paramount was
Speaker 2: probably entirely on board with to Palma directing because he
Speaker 2: did The Untouchables and it was very successful. Right, But
Speaker 2: it wasn't like hiring di Palma was not a Paramount decision.
Speaker 2: It was a Tom Cruise decision. And I thought that
Speaker 2: was interesting in and of itself because because Cruz met
Speaker 2: Di Palma, I think I think it was while they
Speaker 2: were filming, while he was filming Interview at the Vampire,
Speaker 2: which remember all the consternation over that, Like I wasn't
Speaker 2: I was not familiar with the Interview of the Vampire
Speaker 2: at all, or Leastotte and any of that. But I
Speaker 2: remember people pre Internet having shit fits over Tom Cruise
Speaker 2: being cast as lastatt Yeah.
Speaker 1: I might have been a little young and not super interested,
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't in my sphere of interest kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. But I do remember that that was a
Speaker 1: big like I remember that story, that's right, but I
Speaker 1: don't have an opinion on it because I still to
Speaker 1: this day I haven't seen it either.
Speaker 2: But he so he meets di Palma. He's having dinner
Speaker 2: with Spielberg. I think he meets Di Palma. He goes back,
Speaker 2: he watches all of his movies and he's like, this
Speaker 2: is the guy.
Speaker 1: Which I kind of get because whatever he's bringing to
Speaker 1: this movie, it is here right, like, yes, this is
Speaker 1: a DiPalma.
Speaker 2: Scene, is a perfect evocay, Like this is a DiPalma
Speaker 2: scene right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so heightened, almost cartoonishly so, but also deliciously so. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: I gotta admit, I mean, I'm recently catching up on
Speaker 1: my DiPalma. I just saw Body Double in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years and things like that. But he's I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got such an identifiable style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I would say I'm kind of hot and
Speaker 2: cold on him.
Speaker 1: I remember that from back in the day. Actually, I
Speaker 1: kind of remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I don't I don't dislike him, but I
Speaker 2: do think sometimes he gets sort of overwhelmed by his
Speaker 2: own sense of style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I would say is fine with me with
Speaker 1: him if he's working on his own material, right, But
Speaker 1: if he were to come in and do an Indiana
Speaker 1: Jones movie or something, I would be like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like I'm glad that not all
Speaker 1: the Mission Impossible movies feel like this, but I think
Speaker 1: this is a cool one that we get.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, and I think what he brought
Speaker 2: to this was obviously good enough to get the ball rolling,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know it gave it the momentum
Speaker 2: to just keep going. But you also appreciate I think,
Speaker 2: let's see this right here, look at the cantid angle.
Speaker 2: Can't and like in his crotch look, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: we can see his nose hairs, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's freaking awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think this scene is one of
Speaker 2: the best scenes in the whole movie. And it's not
Speaker 2: an action sequence per se.
Speaker 1: No, it feels like one, but it isn't. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: the tension is almost comical, but it feels good. Well.
Speaker 2: The great thing to me, like, I've always dug Henry
Speaker 2: Cherney as a character actor. I think he portrays such
Speaker 2: a unique type. Right yeah again.
Speaker 1: Just bureaucratic asshole.
Speaker 2: He's your man, you know, because yeah, I was in
Speaker 2: clear in present Danger of the year before this, but.
Speaker 1: So and I haven't seen that in many, many years.
Speaker 1: But is he is heightened in that movie as the
Speaker 1: performance he's giving in this scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, I think he's got a certain delivery,
Speaker 2: like he sounds like, you know, you go weaving as
Speaker 2: Agent Smith. Yes, great comparison, Yes, right, and he's just
Speaker 2: got this presence and I think it tells you something
Speaker 2: that they were like, no, no, we got to bring him back.
Speaker 1: It took a while, we got to bring him back. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like incredible. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It just embodies an archetype, you know. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 2: why I like this scene because it gives us a
Speaker 2: window into how quick of a thinger Ethan is. And
Speaker 2: I think the floating fish tank is a great button
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And again it's relatively speaking, it's pretty restrained. But watching
Speaker 2: it again, I was like, this sequence is nuts, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's.
Speaker 1: A lot of water. Yeah. Yeah, I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: great practical effect. It might not feel as I'll use
Speaker 1: my word that people attribute to me. I guess bombastic.
Speaker 1: I'm not very conscious of whenever I say that. But
Speaker 1: you know, now you'd go much much bigger. But that
Speaker 1: looks very real because it is and also very like, damn,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to be trying to.
Speaker 2: Stay ahead of that water. Yeah, that's right, it's very cool. Well,
Speaker 2: apparently this is what Brian de Palmers said that he
Speaker 2: talked to Tom Cruise and he's basically like, you have
Speaker 2: to you have to do it in order to make
Speaker 2: it look. We can't have a stunt man. You have
Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, And Cruise is very reticent about it,
Speaker 2: and he was like, I don't know. I'm an actor,
Speaker 2: I'm not a stunt man.
Speaker 1: I know it's weird movie the irony moment, that's right,
Speaker 1: but you know whatever biopic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's oh, it's a Paul McCartney as a kid.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, oh, I just played the guitar, yeah,
Speaker 1: and played the bass.
Speaker 2: And so Brian Defalma says, he's like, I think I
Speaker 2: I sort of you know, got that ball rolling because
Speaker 2: once he did it, he's like, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: need to fall off things now, you know or whatever?
Speaker 2: What does that be a building to climb?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say Toby maguire and uh, Spider Man,
Speaker 1: He's like, the power feels good. Well, I only remember
Speaker 1: that because Sean used to do that all the time.
Speaker 2: He would always quote that the power feels good. It
Speaker 2: is from Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Three. Is that what it is? Three? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's really funny. Yeah, but that one's awesome.
Speaker 1: And there's like, we got an awesome little lens flair there,
Speaker 1: you know when lens flairs used to be tasteful and
Speaker 1: sort of accentuate things versus flooding the frame.
Speaker 2: But uh, before JJ came in in the third movie
Speaker 2: and just just lens flared the living shit out of everything.
Speaker 1: But see this kind of stuff here. Now, where's he's
Speaker 1: gotten away? He's used the chewing gum. We should call out,
Speaker 1: you know, the red light green light thing. FLI up
Speaker 1: the fish tank, got away. Now when he's going to
Speaker 1: the safe house. I love the low craft or low
Speaker 1: five spike craft stuff, you know where it's like breaking glass,
Speaker 1: spreading it on the floor, you know, so you can
Speaker 1: hear someone coming. And I just I don't know, all
Speaker 1: this feels possible. I don't mean that that was not intentional,
Speaker 1: but like, I want to see spectacular things, but I
Speaker 1: also want to see clever things, right, and I enjoy
Speaker 1: the cleverness of those smaller sorts of things.
Speaker 2: Well, it tells you something that in the early goings
Speaker 2: they were still trying to figure out what this series is,
Speaker 2: and I think that's reflected in how different movie one
Speaker 2: movie two are. Right, It's it's a pretty wide spectrum,
Speaker 2: with each of the first two films on either end
Speaker 2: of it, you know, right, And I think I think
Speaker 2: that's that's this by the the whole process by which
Speaker 2: he tries to find Max and his his web searching
Speaker 2: is hilarious to me.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because right he puts in something. I don't
Speaker 1: remember what the first thing is, but it's like three
Speaker 1: hundred results in the entire world.
Speaker 2: Job three fourteen and it says no results, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, how is that even possible?
Speaker 1: You know, isn't that fascinating?
Speaker 2: You'd get at least one hundred thousand up front? Half
Speaker 2: of them would be pornography.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly, you know.
Speaker 2: But the idea of like nothing being found is very funny.
Speaker 2: This is this is a very mid nineties view of
Speaker 2: what the Internet was going to be like, you know.
Speaker 1: M hmm, yeah, yeah. I mean I doubt I was
Speaker 1: even using the internet at this point. I maybe in
Speaker 1: school maybe.
Speaker 2: I think fall of ninety six I started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't think I had an email address
Speaker 1: until ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely for me ninety seven. Yeah, yeah, but I
Speaker 2: remember Apple was really leaning. Apple was in like a
Speaker 2: down period because this is pre Steve Jobs coming back, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and they needed whatever help they could. So I mean
Speaker 2: all the all the you know, laptops or Apple laptops,
Speaker 2: and I remember all the TV ads.
Speaker 1: Oh really, I don't remember that. I was reading about
Speaker 1: it though, Like he's using a model that hadn't even
Speaker 1: come out yet, just to show how you know, sleek
Speaker 1: and sophisticated their laptops were going to be. So they
Speaker 1: had like a different laptop actually operating inside of it.
Speaker 1: But it's just funny now because you look at it
Speaker 1: and you're like, look at that cinder block it really
Speaker 1: but yeah, pretty clever Job three fourteen, Job three fourteen.
Speaker 1: Although this whole thing, yeah, him messaging like so many
Speaker 1: people trying to a needle inside a haystack inside another haystack.
Speaker 2: For some reason, it reminds me of like you imagine
Speaker 2: all the people getting that email exactly exactly. It reminds
Speaker 2: me of the SNL sketch where John Malkovich is the
Speaker 2: guy from in Line of Fire and he calls the
Speaker 2: wrong guy.
Speaker 1: I forget I remember that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a little kid. He's like, how did you
Speaker 2: feel when Kennedy died? It's this little kid is like
Speaker 2: Kennedy died. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
Speaker 2: It's a funny, funny premise that would mean nothing today, right,
Speaker 2: but back then, comedy.
Speaker 1: Gold see right now? Oh, I guess he's doing different languages.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he's just copy paste this email
Speaker 1: instead of writing it like four hundred times. This was
Speaker 1: kind of fun. I mentioned I saw it in the
Speaker 1: theater recently. So my friend works at Hairamount and then
Speaker 1: the lead up to the final movie coming out, they've
Speaker 1: been showing every mission impossible at their theater on the lot,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, he and I went and saw the
Speaker 1: first one, this one, and man, what a blast watching
Speaker 1: this on a big screen again, Like it's just so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not something that gets replayed a
Speaker 1: lot at repertory theaters. And it is thrilled, very thrilling.
Speaker 1: But yeah, watching it with a crowd was really fun.
Speaker 1: And hearing people sort of chuckle at the I don't know,
Speaker 1: a nachronistic sort of stuff like this scene. I remember
Speaker 1: people kind of snickering when Voight walks in no with
Speaker 1: the internet stuff the internet. Yeah, but it's just just fun.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun.
Speaker 2: I like this beat here with with the Phelps car
Speaker 2: where where we realize he's just imagining seeing Phelps because
Speaker 2: it allows the moment later when he does come back
Speaker 2: for you to be like, wait, is this real?
Speaker 1: It is very dreamy, isn't it. Toward the end of
Speaker 1: the film, when he's putting it all together and the
Speaker 1: way that he imagining all the grace mind, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: love that scene. Yeah, so this is kind of interesting
Speaker 1: with Claire. I was reading that apparently there was sort
Speaker 1: of like a love triangle happening. Yeah, it's even so
Speaker 1: much as filmed.
Speaker 2: You can see it in the trailer. It's in the trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think even in the opening sort of sizzle,
Speaker 1: real sort of thing that's happening. There's a moment where
Speaker 1: they're like kissing, okay, and I guess through test screenings
Speaker 1: people didn't jive with that, which I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with it. It sort of makes them feel like a dirtbag.
Speaker 1: I definitely agree with that.
Speaker 2: But it's also it's interesting because at the end of
Speaker 2: the film, you have, you know, the Phelps character being like,
Speaker 2: oh and I knew that he would fall for your
Speaker 2: temptation or whatever they said. I'm like, yeah, but nothing
Speaker 2: really happens. I don't think you know.
Speaker 1: No, it's very ambiguous artistic in the final version, right
Speaker 1: where he kind of like she kisses his hand or something,
Speaker 1: and then that's it in crossfade to something else.
Speaker 2: I guess that's meant to be be the the temptation, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, yeah you can. I guess, bring whatever you
Speaker 1: want to bring to what happens next. But yeah, so
Speaker 1: I was also I mean, going back to the original
Speaker 1: cast of Mission Impossible, they were all invited to be
Speaker 1: in this film, but apparently they were going to be
Speaker 1: the characters that populated the opening scene. So it'd be
Speaker 1: Ethan Hunt with the original cast and they would one
Speaker 1: by one get picked off, and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: now we're good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and that wouldn't have made sense for a couple
Speaker 2: of different reasons because by by then, you know, Martin
Speaker 2: Landau was substantially older, and it's hard to imagine him
Speaker 2: doing the same Master of Disguise stick you know. Sure,
Speaker 2: so yeah, I I they wanted Peter Graves to come back, sure,
Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, yeah, absolutely, not, you know.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting is that many years later, once JJ
Speaker 2: Abrams came on as not just director for the third one,
Speaker 2: but he became co producer for a couple of the
Speaker 2: movies there, he said like, I want to bring back
Speaker 2: Peter Graves. I want to kind of like redeem his character.
Speaker 2: And then, of course Peter Graves passed away a couple
Speaker 2: of years later. But I like that he had that instinct. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because they had done something similar with Star
Speaker 2: Trek right when they did when he did, when Abrams
Speaker 2: did his Star Trek movies.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's bring in Leonard Nimoy. Let's honor him and.
Speaker 2: Do something similar. I would have liked that as a fan.
Speaker 2: I don't know that would have mattered that much.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, well it's nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: someone going in, who's well a story that feels like
Speaker 1: a little opposite of what you're saying. Apparently, one of
Speaker 1: the original directors of a lot of the episodes of
Speaker 1: the original Mission Impossible, Yeah, I was asked by Paramount
Speaker 1: to be on set just as sort of a consultant,
Speaker 1: and apparently Di Palma spoke with him and was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: love the original series, but what we're doing is nothing
Speaker 1: like the show and probably just gonna make both of
Speaker 1: us uncomfortable having you here. And so apparently the director
Speaker 1: was like, understood, thank you for your honesty, and ya
Speaker 1: left set.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and that makes sense because because the TV
Speaker 2: show excelled at at doing these little episodic, little mini plays,
Speaker 2: you know, right, and and it is different. So I
Speaker 2: don't know that that instinct by the studio was very
Speaker 2: smart because because somebody like Brian de Palma has a
Speaker 2: very clear creative sensibility. So so if you hire him,
Speaker 2: it's because you want whatever he brings, right right, you know.
Speaker 2: But but that all being said, I I do think
Speaker 2: De paulm is somebody who benefits from some limitations, sure,
Speaker 2: you know, And and I think The Intouchible is a
Speaker 2: good example of that. I've never been a big fan
Speaker 2: of Scarface.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have not seen that since my early twenties. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really remember it super well. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember it not being exactly my thing.
Speaker 2: It's not my thing, and I know people who like
Speaker 2: it a great deal, but yeah, it doesn't really do
Speaker 2: much for me. Yeah, yeah, excess a little too much. Yeah, So.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think about this plot. So now
Speaker 1: we have I mean, we have a lot going on
Speaker 1: at this point, yes, right, where like his team has
Speaker 1: been taken out and there's like apparently a mole who's
Speaker 1: working with this arms dealer to sell a knock list,
Speaker 1: and now Ethan's been set up, they think it's him,
Speaker 1: and so he's going to go meet with the dealer
Speaker 1: to try to suss out or be called smoke out
Speaker 1: the true mole. Yeah, is this plot overly complicated? I mean,
Speaker 1: and I don't mean that to sound like are we
Speaker 1: smarter whatever than whatever? But like have movies become more complicated?
Speaker 1: I guess is what I'm saying, because I did watch
Speaker 1: this again weeks ago, being like, Okay, I do remember
Speaker 1: this being a little tricky to follow, but I'm really
Speaker 1: going to try to like listen to every word and
Speaker 1: see if I can absolutely understand it as it goes.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's a little too complicated for its
Speaker 1: own good? Or do you think it's it feels about right?
Speaker 2: So I'm up two minds. I I I don't think
Speaker 2: once once you have the high level, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's particularly it's you know, it's it's not that hard
Speaker 2: to follow. I do think that they try to be
Speaker 2: a little too clever by by trying to make it
Speaker 2: seem more complicated than it is.
Speaker 1: I I think I one hundred percent agree with what
Speaker 1: you're saying, right, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I I what I said before was like way
Speaker 2: back in the day, like like thirty years ago, is
Speaker 2: when I wash it. I was like, okay, so wait this,
Speaker 2: and then he's doing that and they're looking for that, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, once, once you put it all together.
Speaker 1: It's it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean very much. And I I don't I
Speaker 2: think that's fine. I think what the Mission Impossible movies
Speaker 2: figured out is we don't really care that much about
Speaker 2: the thing. Just tell us the thing you're after. Yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: And I think you know, the third one is a
Speaker 2: good example where the whole, the whole mcguffin driving the
Speaker 2: whole story is this thing called the rabbit's foot And
Speaker 2: do we even really know what the rabbit's foot is? Not? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pure.
Speaker 2: I mean it's ironic to me because de paulm is
Speaker 2: such a student of Hitchcock, and and what Hitchcock figured
Speaker 2: out is it just don't you don't need to go
Speaker 2: into all of it. Nobody cares. All we need to
Speaker 2: care about is that the characters want it yep.
Speaker 1: Yep, and that the joy of how difficult it is
Speaker 1: for them to get it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you know, all this stuff and the and the
Speaker 2: and the job is doing this and it's a lot
Speaker 2: of like it's just it's trying to make you invested
Speaker 2: in in it, and I don't. I don't think it
Speaker 2: matters a big picture. I don't think it's enough to
Speaker 2: distract and to detract from the movie. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 2: definitely a lesson the other films learned.
Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, there is a lot more talking in
Speaker 1: this movie. It moves at a slower pace. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because we talk about that often going back in
Speaker 1: different decades, just people were willing to deal with either
Speaker 1: less action or just different kinds of execution, you know,
Speaker 1: things that now we find a little disorienting. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, no one seemed to complain in the seventies,
Speaker 1: you know, but like it's not how we would do
Speaker 1: it now. And I don't remember what this was like
Speaker 1: in the nineties. I don't remember finding any of it boring.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily now, but this is not what
Speaker 1: a Mission Impossible movie would be paced like in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: Right, So I can appreciate that it's a little different.
Speaker 2: You know. I think anybody who's going in expecting to
Speaker 2: see Tom Cruise, you know, defying death, might be disappointed.
Speaker 2: But I find it charming because of what it led
Speaker 2: to totally. You know, I think I think this character
Speaker 2: Max could have been very boring, but you cast somebody
Speaker 2: like Vanessa Redgrave and she brings kind of this unique energy,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was read that it was a written for
Speaker 1: a man. Yeah, and I'm glad that they did what
Speaker 1: they did, because, yeah, she has this really interesting energy.
Speaker 1: She's got this real sort of sexual, flirty energy, which
Speaker 1: is fun. You know, She's just constantly flirting with She's
Speaker 1: like in control and flirting with Cruise, and that's just
Speaker 1: kind of fun to watch.
Speaker 2: And she's the she's the mother of the Vanessa Kirby character.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh that's right, I forgot about it. Just pretty
Speaker 1: cool connection. I love this. By the way, again, this
Speaker 1: is so sort of old fashioned or something, but it's
Speaker 1: just so effective. The tension of this, you know, is
Speaker 1: this does this thing have a tracker in it, you know,
Speaker 1: and reading heat signatures. And then we're seeing you know,
Speaker 1: he's like you got two minutes and nobody knows if
Speaker 1: that's true or not. And then we're seeing these people.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like this really sinister looking group of
Speaker 1: people in these like plastic raincades. It's like, good, what
Speaker 1: are they gonna do? You know, coming in suits in
Speaker 1: plastic rain white plastic raincoats. It makes me think of
Speaker 1: like American Psycho or something like that, that he's about
Speaker 1: to go down. But yeah, the tension of that, like
Speaker 1: can we believe them or not? And then we realize, oh,
Speaker 1: they are closing in. Is she going to believe them
Speaker 1: so they can get out of there? See? I I
Speaker 1: think this.
Speaker 2: So what what I wasn't crazy about with both this
Speaker 2: movie and the second one is that it it was
Speaker 2: it was like the Tom Cruise Show. Uh huh? And
Speaker 2: what what I I didn't like that there wasn't really
Speaker 2: a team dynamic, right, Yes, it's it's that's less apparent
Speaker 2: in this It was certainly the case in the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which, like you, I think I've only seen
Speaker 1: twice so I remember, Yeah, big moments more than the
Speaker 1: story itself.
Speaker 2: But I watched it in the theater when it came
Speaker 2: out back in back in Uh was it two thousand
Speaker 2: and one or two? I think it's two thousand. It's
Speaker 2: two thousand, okay. And then I watched it again a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and literally my kids are like, oh,
Speaker 2: let's go through all the mintion ipossbles. Not the second
Speaker 2: one though, that was Oh wow, that's there on their own.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no argument for me.
Speaker 1: See, I know what how I would describe it. I'm
Speaker 1: curious what your kids would how they would describe why
Speaker 1: they don't like it.
Speaker 2: I I well, all the yeah, all all the the
Speaker 2: the sort of garish turn of the century excess that
Speaker 2: typified action cinema at that moment is just like boiled
Speaker 2: into that movie. It's it's like the the Schmutz that
Speaker 2: you put in your drain to catch everything, you know,
Speaker 2: like the everything in your sinc just ends up there.
Speaker 2: That's a mission impossible too, in terms of like action
Speaker 2: movie cliches, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like heavy on a Durst screen in
Speaker 1: your face for two hours.
Speaker 2: You got your Fred Durst screaming, you got your Hans
Speaker 2: zimmer phoning, you got your you got your doves, because
Speaker 2: why the hell not flying at your head? You know,
Speaker 2: you got Tom Cruise hanging from a mountain for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And it's just.
Speaker 2: And again, I think that movie was very successful when
Speaker 2: it came out. Yeah, oh, I mean it was of
Speaker 2: its moment, and the moment was grateful.
Speaker 1: Right, right.
Speaker 2: And the ironic thing is that the third one was
Speaker 2: not as successful, and so there was a little bit
Speaker 2: of like, oh, it's the franchise dead right, right, and
Speaker 2: and yet and yet Tom Cruise and company they took
Speaker 2: their lesson from.
Speaker 1: From the the.
Speaker 2: Third one in terms of what we want to keep doing.
Speaker 1: Hm.
Speaker 2: So in my opinion, four, five and six is like
Speaker 2: peak mission impossible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. Like that trilogy.
Speaker 2: If I were to say the three to watch, it's
Speaker 2: it's Ghost Protocol, Rogue Nation, Fallout one hund percent, right,
Speaker 2: and and you don't get those three without everything that
Speaker 2: you figure out from the previous three. Yeah, sure, so
Speaker 2: you know that that's how we get here, you know, yep? Yeah,
Speaker 2: But yeah, three.
Speaker 1: Turned Ethan into a little bit more three dimensional of
Speaker 1: a person.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Well that's kind of the thing, right because Yeah,
Speaker 2: because because you know, if you watch the television show me, you.
Speaker 1: Don't know anything about the characters, right other than their
Speaker 1: their role in the in.
Speaker 2: The gang, you know, right, And you realize you can't
Speaker 2: really do that in movies and and this one other
Speaker 2: than Ethan having a mom and an uncle who are poor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I'd kind of forgotten about. Yeah, we do
Speaker 1: get a little glimpse in Home Life, a very little glimpse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't know anything about him in the
Speaker 2: second one other than he's got just a you know,
Speaker 2: a luxurious mop of hair.
Speaker 1: That flips.
Speaker 2: It is funny to follow his hair trajectory in these movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I we haven't as of the recording,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen the final Reckoning yet, but I was
Speaker 1: a little surprised at how scraggly it looks. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd take it, but being Raims completely looks like Marcel's
Speaker 1: Wallace right here, doesn't he? Right? That little uh what
Speaker 1: do you call that?
Speaker 2: The what's that funny expression for the little blow the
Speaker 2: lip hair? Oh?
Speaker 1: The yeah, what is that called? Yeah, it's got a
Speaker 1: funny name. I can't think of right now. Oh shoot, yeah,
Speaker 1: isn't that funny, wow, because nobody has them anymore. People
Speaker 1: don't so Patch, well, well so Patch, but there's something
Speaker 1: else esque. Yeah right, but like those those big wrap
Speaker 1: around sunglasses, the turtle neck and the suit. He's a
Speaker 1: well and this is what two years after pulp fiction
Speaker 1: and so help fiction is ninety four? Right, yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So ving Raiams was kind of kind of having
Speaker 2: a moment here. I think I think he's you can't
Speaker 2: you know, you can't imagine him not being in these movies.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, right, Like that's the that's the fun
Speaker 2: of it here, because because Luther is you know, he's
Speaker 2: an important part of this film.
Speaker 1: But if he had he not come back, we.
Speaker 2: Would have just gotten on with our lives, right, sure,
Speaker 2: but eight movies deep you're like, no, no, Luther is
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of this whole operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and I thought I had read somewhere I
Speaker 1: couldn't find it in my recent research, but that they
Speaker 1: were going to possibly kill him off, and he was like, nope.
Speaker 2: Yeah for it. I think that was for a fallout
Speaker 2: if I recall.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, so it was later, but yeah, but yes, smart,
Speaker 1: as long as they're going to keep making these things
Speaker 1: be like, insist you be in them. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: also did read that the reason they went with him
Speaker 1: is because it felt against type for a computer hack,
Speaker 1: because typically you think of like Seth Green or something
Speaker 1: kind of like a geeky kid, you know, making like
Speaker 1: comic book references and everyone being like come on right,
Speaker 1: you know, like Dink or whatever his funny name would be.
Speaker 1: You know, like he's like, I'm more as fast as
Speaker 1: I can clink come clink on his laptop. This feels
Speaker 1: like such a different type of hacker, but it totally works,
Speaker 1: and I love it. I can't remember which movie it is, Oh,
Speaker 1: this is the one where he says my conditions are
Speaker 1: I get to keep my equipment, which I love. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, he's a type geek. That makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he does feel like he could be the muscle
Speaker 1: also if you needed him too, but he rarely is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I think well, first of all, the
Speaker 2: thought I had later during this upcoming Seegerther, I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: is he the first man in the chair?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's good? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is that his like a little asterisk in history?
Speaker 1: You know that's funny.
Speaker 2: But but you know, obviously Simon Peg comes in in
Speaker 2: the in the third one and you realize, like, like
Speaker 2: that that's what's missing. There's like a Simon Pegg sized
Speaker 2: hole in this movie. Yeah, yeah, kind of right, comic relief. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because like Ethan, Benji and Luther are like they're the
Speaker 2: the core three mm hmm, and and it's like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: that's who we're waiting for, you know.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So now we're getting to the signature set
Speaker 1: piece of this film.
Speaker 2: Right, isn't that amazing? This? If anybody remembers anything from
Speaker 2: this movie, it's probably Tom Cruise dangling in this room, right,
Speaker 2: And I wash, Yeah, you don't know, please, I think
Speaker 2: we're gonna say the same thing. I mean it. It
Speaker 2: is absolutely gripping. I mean you lean forward in your
Speaker 2: seat with every with every that you hear.
Speaker 1: You know. I think this remains one of the top
Speaker 1: set pieces in the entire series. Yeah, I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean it was thrilling watch this in a
Speaker 1: theater again recently, and nobody was making a sound, you know,
Speaker 1: like everyone is like sort of respecting what's happening, holding
Speaker 1: their own breath. It's just so breathtaking.
Speaker 2: The sequence, it's it's well, I would think it's it's like,
Speaker 2: it's like the quiet place, nobody even wants to chew popcorn.
Speaker 1: Too exactly exactly, but I love this is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things. I know, heist movies sometimes can get
Speaker 1: a bad rap from I'm gonna call them cynical people,
Speaker 1: But is there anything more fun than someone setting up
Speaker 1: the impossible stakes and us watching what they're describing and thinking, well,
Speaker 1: there's no way our hero can get the thing out
Speaker 1: of that, but we're about to watch them do it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's interesting. I love it. I I those
Speaker 1: are my favorite types of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and here's here's the thing about about the
Speaker 2: sequence in that computer room. The logical part of you
Speaker 2: is like, why would there not be a camera in there?
Speaker 2: That happens to me a lot in films. Actually, yes,
Speaker 2: and you roll with it. Yeah, yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: the genius you don't think about it.
Speaker 1: No, No, in actuality, it's like, well, this this room
Speaker 1: has every precaution known to man, and you don't put
Speaker 1: a camera in there, but you will allow what's in
Speaker 1: there to be a mystery. Right. Yeah, that's well. I
Speaker 1: thought that a lot during severance because there's a lot
Speaker 1: you know, Oh sure, it's so important what these people
Speaker 1: are doing in there, and they have all this technology,
Speaker 1: but yet they're able to go to so many rooms
Speaker 1: and have these secret convos. And I'm like, really, there's
Speaker 1: no cameras anywhere in this mysterious but yeah, but I
Speaker 1: love it. It's like, oh, it's you know, temperature controlled
Speaker 1: and you can't touch the floor, and like just all
Speaker 1: the things are going to make this difficult. It's just
Speaker 1: it's so fun. It's like, all right, well, let's see
Speaker 1: how he does it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh and it becomes yeah, sorry quick. I looked
Speaker 2: up about about uh Luther and dying in this movie,
Speaker 2: and apparently this is according to Ving Raams, Luther was
Speaker 2: supposed to be part of the im force that dies
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the movie. Uh so fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: he would have been croaked, okay, And and he was.
Speaker 1: Like, why are you kill the only black man?
Speaker 2: Ah? There you go, and and and kudos to him
Speaker 2: for saying that, because guess what he got like a
Speaker 2: thirty year career.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and spokesperson for Arby's. So he has an
Speaker 1: extra place in my heart.
Speaker 2: There you go. Remember he was in that Kojak reboot
Speaker 2: that they did remember that oh.
Speaker 1: You saying it is the only thing that makes me
Speaker 1: remember it kind I don't mean as an insult, I
Speaker 1: just I can't even way. Yeah, I remember it happening,
Speaker 1: but it obviously didn't make an impression on me. This
Speaker 1: poor guy, this guy. Could you have cast a better person, just.
Speaker 2: A poor schmuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but it really does kind of shine
Speaker 1: a light on casting because he doesn't say barely anything.
Speaker 1: But I remember him from this sequence. I remember his face,
Speaker 1: I remember his expressions, and he's not even doing anything big,
Speaker 1: but he's the perfect sad, sort of patsy figure, you
Speaker 1: know for this.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is one thing by the So
Speaker 2: there's the knife, so that we see Ethan actually see
Speaker 2: the knife. I remember that kick where Ethan kicks the
Speaker 2: cop backwards that was in all the trailers to make
Speaker 2: you think this was just an action extravaganza, you know,
Speaker 2: oh oh right, yeah, And it's like, boy, if you're
Speaker 2: going in expecting just just a bunch of backwards kicking,
Speaker 2: you gotta wait four years for the next movie. That's
Speaker 2: really it. But no, no, when I see this guy.
Speaker 2: William Dumlow is the character's name, and he's having a
Speaker 2: run back across because I'm assuming he's got diarrhea.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And.
Speaker 2: You know, this is where my brain goes. I'm like,
Speaker 2: is there anything worse than having diarrhea when you're wearing
Speaker 2: like a nice suit.
Speaker 1: Dude, and at work? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, seriously, that's what I think about it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, there's like levels of badness, and
Speaker 2: I think diarrhea at work while wearing nice suit that's
Speaker 2: like pretty high on the list of things Zaki does
Speaker 2: not want to experience. Dude, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know he could be like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just impressed with where they landed with this guy,
Speaker 1: because he could be a sort of pathetic too.
Speaker 2: Like oh my tummy or something, you know, like running across.
Speaker 2: He could be the guy from from No Holds Barred
Speaker 2: where he's like dukie exactly, Like he.
Speaker 1: Could be pathetic, but instead we're just like all this
Speaker 1: poor guy. You know, that's the.
Speaker 2: Real reason to hate Claire, to be honest, she's just
Speaker 2: a villain everything. But she she gave my man the runs.
Speaker 2: I know, come on, that ain't right.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, this is like that low fi spycraft, right,
Speaker 1: like putting like a little felt tracker on his suits,
Speaker 1: and she's got the pin that squirts the whatever the
Speaker 1: x lax in his drink or whatever, you know. Like
Speaker 1: I you're right when you bring up the kick and
Speaker 1: it being misleading in the trailers. I guess when I
Speaker 1: think of this movie, I do think of it as like, yeah,
Speaker 1: action film or whatever it is, but it really isn't.
Speaker 1: It's not. Yeah, it's kind of a thriller, you know,
Speaker 1: like a low key thriller.
Speaker 2: Even now, I will say this movie, along with the
Speaker 2: original Diehard, gave me a vastly distorted view of how
Speaker 2: big air ducts are and how clean they must be exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, this thing is awesome. By the way that
Speaker 1: he lowers to redirect the laser security system, I love
Speaker 1: he just drops it down and immediately it redirects him
Speaker 1: into one solid beam that he can avoid. That's very cool.
Speaker 2: Yep. Well, and that little dudead that takes the screws out,
Speaker 2: I love that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that feels like something in this day
Speaker 1: and age you could possibly buy. I would like to
Speaker 1: have one of those. Yeah, But here's what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: where it's just all the different you know, you can't
Speaker 1: make a sound above this decibel and you can't do
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I just eat up. I mean it,
Speaker 1: and it is. It's not super crazy futuristic stuff that
Speaker 1: we're dealing with here. It's like, no, literally, just don't
Speaker 1: make a sound, don't touch the ground. And it reminds
Speaker 1: me of sneakers, you know, where it's Robert Redford has
Speaker 1: to get that box off of a desk. But it's like, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. The room has to be a certain temperature,
Speaker 1: so you can't get hotter or colder than this, and
Speaker 1: you can't move, you know, above a really slow stride
Speaker 1: across the room, and yet everybody is coming after you,
Speaker 1: So do that as quickly, move as slowly as possible,
Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, you know. And it's so low fi,
Speaker 1: but it is gripping, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think this entire sequence here is really a masterpiece
Speaker 2: of sound design. Yes, right, And when you think about it, right,
Speaker 2: the instinct might have been on the part of Danny
Speaker 2: Elfman to give some kind of ominous underscore, Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I think it works so much better because it's completely
Speaker 2: music free, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's sort of like a dun dun, duh, huh
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. But yeah, you know we're hearing
Speaker 1: the rope yeap going through the pulley. You know, we
Speaker 1: hear breaths straining to be held.
Speaker 2: It's so good.
Speaker 1: But I think, well, we're talking about this living on
Speaker 1: I mean, just the iconography of this room. It's very
Speaker 1: like two thousand and one, you know, like the lights,
Speaker 1: white light, lit up floor or whatever. But it's just
Speaker 1: so memorable. And I feel like there was a cable
Speaker 1: company I don't remember which one that even had like
Speaker 1: a recreation of this on the side of their van.
Speaker 1: And it's like, isn't that funny just to oh, that's
Speaker 1: random called it such a specific scene. Just wow, everyone remembers.
Speaker 1: But it's worth noting that this is uh heavily inspired
Speaker 1: by a sequence in the movie Top Copy. Okay, have
Speaker 1: you heard of that. I've heard of it, Yeah, I hadn't.
Speaker 1: I So I was just reading about this film, and
Speaker 1: so I watched the scene on YouTube and it is
Speaker 1: this scene like a sweaty guy struggling with a pulley system,
Speaker 1: lowering a person who has to be deadly quiet, having
Speaker 1: to pull something, you know, out of a museum. So
Speaker 1: I mean, it's literally an homage to that sequence, but
Speaker 1: it's uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that that's from the sixties, I think, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but Peter Ustinov.
Speaker 1: Was, yeah, it's very good. But this, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just taking that and running with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: what incredible is this shot from above with our hero
Speaker 1: in frame being quiet, quiet, swinging over the guy we
Speaker 1: don't want to see him? Well?
Speaker 2: And I love that, Like you say, like, how can
Speaker 2: he not see him? And it's like, okay, but why
Speaker 2: would he look up? Like why would it?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah, it's like Shawshank right where he walks out
Speaker 1: of the prison wearing or no, he finishes his duties
Speaker 1: on his last night wearing those dress up shoes and
Speaker 1: you're like, well, how would they not notice? And then
Speaker 1: Freeman's like, yeah, but how often do you really look
Speaker 1: at I got shoes? Yeah exactly. Yeah. See, now that's
Speaker 1: DiPalma right there. I mean we get that split what
Speaker 1: do you call it, split diopter kind of thing. That's
Speaker 1: what you bring him in for that incredible shot of
Speaker 1: low angle of our sick person with crews also in
Speaker 1: focus way above him in the ceiling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of crazy specific tension that di Palma does.
Speaker 1: Stuff.
Speaker 2: By the way, he's barfing, so he doesn't necessarily have diarrhea.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say either way, whether it's coming out
Speaker 2: from that hole or the other hole, going to be
Speaker 2: doing that in a suit.
Speaker 1: Exactly, I'd love it's just not just the alone, but
Speaker 1: in a suit, it's just somehow makes up wherese he
Speaker 1: got like your top button his buttons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of discomfort. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: layers before you can just unleash, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably sweaty and cold at the same time.
Speaker 2: Now you gotta wear it the rest of the day.
Speaker 2: That's terrible, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I remember this sequence being made fun of in
Speaker 2: a Leslie Nielsen movie and.
Speaker 1: I don't remember that, and I can't.
Speaker 2: I think it was the Spy Hard parody. I don't
Speaker 2: think it was Spy Hard wrongly accused, wrongfully accused, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to see if I had the interest,
Speaker 2: I would look up. But I remember it's he's he's
Speaker 2: being lowered down than he does, like the thing with
Speaker 2: a yo yo, where he's doing all kinds of tricks.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I remember that I
Speaker 1: remember that one because it had that Usual Suspects parody.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, that is one of the funniest things I've
Speaker 2: ever seen. Yeah, it cracks me up every single time.
Speaker 1: Man. You know, I wonder if it'd be worth, like,
Speaker 1: knowing what you're getting into, I wonder if it'd be
Speaker 1: worth going back to that and just.
Speaker 2: Well, So here's what I'll say, Leslie Nielsen did a
Speaker 2: lot of shit that if it wasn't naked gun, I
Speaker 2: would say, wrongfully accused is on the better end of that,
Speaker 2: the non naked gun spectrum. Okay, okay, So for whatever
Speaker 2: that's worth. Yeah. See, So this, this whole sequence what
Speaker 2: I was saying earlier, is like it kind of illustrates
Speaker 2: the genius of script construction, where it doesn't matter how
Speaker 2: preposterous this room is. Oh it's got a laser this,
Speaker 2: and it does that and all this stuff, right, if
Speaker 2: you just lay it out for the audience, say this
Speaker 2: is what is in there. Yeah, so it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: how science fiction it sounds. You just lay it out.
Speaker 2: This is what it is, and you are consistent with
Speaker 2: what your character has to get past.
Speaker 1: We'll go with it.
Speaker 2: Mm hm you know, yep, yep, agreed.
Speaker 1: This doesn't feel like for all the tools they have
Speaker 1: available to them, just having a guy like here hold me.
Speaker 1: It feels like, really, you don't have like some sort
Speaker 1: of suction them up or something you can like attached
Speaker 1: the rope to or come.
Speaker 2: On, genre, No, you're a big, strong feller.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny too with the mouse or
Speaker 1: whatever that comes up to him. Yep, it does almost
Speaker 1: feel like a Tom and Jerry sort of moment where
Speaker 1: it's just like, wait a minute, what is this like
Speaker 1: mouse doing in this event?
Speaker 2: By the way, you know, what I read is that
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise put coins in his shoes to keep.
Speaker 1: From flipping over. Yeah, the balance wasn't working quite correctly
Speaker 1: with the harness.
Speaker 2: Is that a real thing?
Speaker 1: I every place I went to read about this movie,
Speaker 1: that is a fact that comes up or a trivia
Speaker 1: point that comes like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't understand that.
Speaker 1: I kind of get it because the harness is uh
Speaker 1: not necessarily at his midpoint, so maybe his feet were
Speaker 1: bringing him down, so you literally just have like a
Speaker 1: quarter in your shoe. Oh wait, no, I'd see exact
Speaker 1: opposite of what I'm saying. You're right, I do somehow, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, he was more top heavy or something,
Speaker 1: and so he just put weight in his shoes to
Speaker 1: sort of see if he's say his shoes were weighted,
Speaker 1: I'll go with you.
Speaker 2: But you say he put coins in his shoes, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm not understanding.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I see, Well there we go. We have technowledge.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the moment there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, so that Tom Cruise really did that. He actually
Speaker 2: was was dropped and then caught mirror inches above the ground.
Speaker 1: Incredible and keeping his balance right, waving his arms making
Speaker 1: sure he doesn't touch the gring.
Speaker 2: You know it's real because he has a real oh
Speaker 2: shit face right there.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just it's iconic. Yeah, And like I said,
Speaker 1: I mean watching it again with a crowd recently, I mean,
Speaker 1: this holds up as thrilling as anything that's come out since. Hmm, okay,
Speaker 1: so coins, you know what I wonder? Now? This is
Speaker 1: pretty good to the sweat. The sweat so good, and
Speaker 1: it makes you laugh because it is kind of funny,
Speaker 1: but you're also like, well, don't let it touch the ground.
Speaker 2: Well, I love that when the drop hits his hand,
Speaker 2: it sounds like somebody falling into the ocean.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, you know you got to praise
Speaker 1: the editing here too, balancing this guy going back and
Speaker 1: forth between the bathroom and his office to make it
Speaker 1: feel kind of realistic and not dragged out and almost comical.
Speaker 1: That's true, right, I think it's perfectly calibrated. Actually, now
Speaker 1: I just kind of want to watch this. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that. It's like catching the sept that's so good.
Speaker 1: And then I love this too, the sort of the
Speaker 1: silent getting him out of the room, right when the
Speaker 1: guy looks in. Oh, so we got the dead rat
Speaker 1: back there. Apparently we apparently he took care of it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, we didn't need to to spend
Speaker 2: time on that.
Speaker 1: We figure it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, maybe a little too gross.
Speaker 1: But there's not a knife on it. I mean, did
Speaker 1: he snap its little neck or something like?
Speaker 2: That's what that's what it looks like. Yeah, and this
Speaker 2: is where the technology too. I was thinking, like nowadays
Speaker 2: you just have like a thumb drive or something.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's got what like a zip disc
Speaker 1: here or something.
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's an old school floppy, was that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Zip disc?
Speaker 2: Even watching it, damn it, jumping that knife so close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was cool.
Speaker 2: I like that Sean re know, they're looking at each other.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: And this poor guy, yeah, I mean he gets sent
Speaker 2: to Alaska for y oh.
Speaker 1: I felt so bad for him. Yeah, that's so wonderful though,
Speaker 1: him coming back to it like the most secure office,
Speaker 1: you know, in the world, and seeing this knife just
Speaker 1: laying on the desk, but like stabbed into the desk.
Speaker 1: That's right, what.
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then the lasers are back overhead, like
Speaker 1: what just happened? Right?
Speaker 2: So good?
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right, I forgot about that. They uh
Speaker 1: put him on a desk in Alaska.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I would like to imagine that he met a nice
Speaker 1: woman there, you know, and then kind of rediscovered what
Speaker 1: life was all about, and them and their dog walked
Speaker 1: by like a nice icy creek every day and there
Speaker 1: you go. So maybe this is like the best thing
Speaker 1: that ever happened to him. That's what I want to
Speaker 1: go with.
Speaker 2: Well, he is in the Final Reckoning.
Speaker 1: I saw because they put out character posters, right yeah,
Speaker 1: and he got his own poster, and I was I
Speaker 1: like lit up. That was like my marvel, Like you
Speaker 1: know that such and such William Dunlow. Yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be appearing in the next mission. Impossible. Like, I'm so
Speaker 1: excited to see how they use him. That's hilarious, maybe
Speaker 1: because I just I love this sequence so much.
Speaker 2: It'd be funny if I'm the poster. He has like
Speaker 2: an eye patch and a cyborg hand and.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, like what happened? Yes, now you're speaking my language. Man,
Speaker 1: you're getting me like over excited. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: get what I want.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's so good.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so now Luther is sort of like what
Speaker 1: as they're doing this, like we're stealing what Now, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of faith they got to put in Ethan here.
Speaker 1: This is a good scene, you're right, the close up
Speaker 1: magic scene. Yes, yes, so we have a group, but
Speaker 1: they're not a group. They're not a gang, right, they
Speaker 1: don't trust each other. They don't even all know the plan,
Speaker 1: that's right. So this is a well I guess that
Speaker 1: sort of fits though, with him losing his team, like
Speaker 1: Ethan now on his own, and it's not like he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna no that's what I'm saying. I mean, in the
Speaker 2: context of this film, I don't mind it being sort
Speaker 2: of Ethan centric. Yeah, and again I like that as
Speaker 2: a serious progress as Luther becomes the sort of like
Speaker 2: he's Ethan's best friend clearly, and it's like he's like
Speaker 2: his conscience.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: And I love seeing that. You know, Yeah, we should
Speaker 2: say genre. No. He was having a moment at this
Speaker 2: time too, because yeah, he was just off of Leon
Speaker 2: the Professional yep. And then he I think Godzilla was
Speaker 2: that was ninety eight, a couple of years after this, yep, yep,
Speaker 2: and I think we need we need more genre, no,
Speaker 2: I said, I said this during our Godzilla commentary track.
Speaker 2: I think I think he always he always adds a little,
Speaker 2: a little something extra to whatever he's in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a great he's a great flavor, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, what he brings.
Speaker 2: I'm looking it up. I feel like there's like one
Speaker 2: other huge one Ronan. Oh, Ronan, I forgot about that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: isn't there like some other huge blockbuster he was in
Speaker 2: in this moment?
Speaker 1: Looking now, I.
Speaker 2: Mean he's still doing this. Oh he's in the Five Bloods.
Speaker 2: I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: I think we watched that.
Speaker 2: I remember really liking that Five Bloods was good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: around this time, this is interesting. He was the French
Speaker 2: voice of Mufasa.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm not seeing anything, not seeing anything major here, Yeah,
Speaker 2: da Vinci code, that's all later.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Pink Panther.
Speaker 2: He's in Pink Panther with Henry Cherney, which I thought
Speaker 2: was very funny.
Speaker 1: Oh funny, Yeah, huh interesting, it's funny. I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm remembering him from more things than I actually do. Huh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, well that's the impression he makes.
Speaker 1: But so I was reading that. Yeah, this magic trick
Speaker 1: was all practical, which kind of makes sense with Tom Cruise, right. See.
Speaker 2: I kind of wish that they would have made that
Speaker 2: a runner for EAT. Then, is every movie he does
Speaker 2: some really stupid close up magic trick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I will say this is quite impressive. This
Speaker 1: is and it's cool. They don't cut right right, We
Speaker 1: do the one shot so we can see him make
Speaker 1: it disappear, and then he pulls it out of his pocket.
Speaker 2: I think every movie should just have him. He's doing
Speaker 2: like a random card trick and it's like really obnoxious
Speaker 2: at some point, and you see everyone sort of shift
Speaker 2: in their seats like Okay, he's gonna do this for
Speaker 2: like a minute and a half. Yeah, his team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that would be that would be his thing, that would
Speaker 2: be his EPI kaye mother effort. Yeah, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's about to do the trick.
Speaker 1: Like a trick that you could read from like a
Speaker 1: magic book.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I don't know about you, but first time
Speaker 2: I saw this, I was like Drake Hotel.
Speaker 1: I know the Drake Hotel. Yeah, yeah, those be listening.
Speaker 2: It's a very famous Chicago place, you know.
Speaker 1: But I assume most people don't know it. But I
Speaker 1: just want to real before it passes. I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about this magic trick scene. What I love
Speaker 1: about it is it makes him look cool, yes, in
Speaker 1: a way, because he looks in control when he's being
Speaker 1: questioned by Renault. You know, he's he's in control, and
Speaker 1: he kind of makes him look like a fool. But
Speaker 1: then we reveal that Renault really did have the knucklist,
Speaker 1: which makes our hero vulnerable. So we're sort of like, oh,
Speaker 1: that was close. Like maybe he's not always in control,
Speaker 1: but damn it, he's clever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like that makes him an interesting hero, unlike what we
Speaker 1: talk about with the like Hobbs and Shaw, where it's
Speaker 1: like not only can I not lose a fight? I
Speaker 1: cannot be punched, you know, more than five times? And
Speaker 1: I got it. It's just like that's not interesting, right,
Speaker 1: But this is I think this is a really cool
Speaker 1: moment of vulnerability and improvisation for our hero. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well and this is and I don't want this
Speaker 2: to just be dogging on the second one. But I
Speaker 2: think that that's the inherent problem there is like, oh,
Speaker 2: you can Hunt. There's not a single thing he can't do.
Speaker 2: Look at him, you know, defy gravity in mid air
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Right, Whereas, like, to me, the
Speaker 2: quintessential Ethan Hunt moment, in my opinion, is in Ghost
Speaker 2: Protocol where he's climbing. He has to climb the Burg Khalifa, right,
Speaker 2: most people would not see that. But he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I gotta do this. And then and then
Speaker 2: he he he needs to get a little high or something.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have enough rope something like that. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Jeremy renders like, hey, you don't have enough rope or
Speaker 2: whatever he says, and he's just like, no, shit, Yes,
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: That was such a great moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that to me, like that, that's like, you
Speaker 2: know what It's like in the in the Temple sequence
Speaker 2: in Raiders. What what typifies Indie's character is two things.
Speaker 2: Number One, he does the swap out and oops, it
Speaker 2: wasn't enough yep. And now the boulders coming after it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But then when he's escaping, he jumps across the thing,
Speaker 2: he grabs the vine and he's safe. Oops, except now
Speaker 2: he's falling further yep yep. So in other words, you
Speaker 2: applaud his bravery, but also bro just can't.
Speaker 1: Catch a break yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why we love Indie, Yes, right, and
Speaker 2: that's what you need. Like Ethan Hunt is doing amazingly
Speaker 2: brave things, but also he's just slightly in over his head.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's a human being. Yeah, he's not just
Speaker 1: stealing and cool as he's yeah, repelling down the talls
Speaker 1: building in the world exactly.
Speaker 2: So it just no shit, that's what makes him relatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The delivery is so good, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: This was a plot point. You brought it up already,
Speaker 1: but that I had forgotten when I was rewatching it
Speaker 1: about his family getting arrested for making him look like
Speaker 1: they were like drug dealers or something. That's right, and
Speaker 1: it's just something kind of funny. I mean, because everyone
Speaker 1: in this movie is kind of, you know, involved in
Speaker 1: something big, you know, like a spy or you know,
Speaker 1: heads of government or something like that. But then just
Speaker 1: to see these two normal people being arrested on the news,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, the real world, you know, It's it's
Speaker 1: kind of I like it. It's a good, it's a good.
Speaker 1: It makes sense. It's a pressure point for hunt.
Speaker 2: I mean that all being said, I mean eight movies deep,
Speaker 2: how much do we really know about Ethan beyond this?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean he gets a wife right in the
Speaker 1: third one, and she he checks in on her from
Speaker 1: time to time in the later movies. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of it, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, and he they separated, that's right, right, because
Speaker 2: because which one was it that she came fallout?
Speaker 1: That's a fun. Yeah, she kind of gives her blessing
Speaker 1: in a way to the.
Speaker 2: Characters get with Rebecca Ferguson.
Speaker 1: Look, I get it, and then she like looks in camera,
Speaker 1: we all get it. It's fine. We want this free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: I always do like that. The tracking calls thing too,
Speaker 1: and when you always think they're going to hang up
Speaker 1: in time, but when we they don't. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: he wants us to know where he is. I'm like, oh, yeah, nice,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this this feels very dream like, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 2: But I remember watching this the perstime like, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: Phelps is alive. That's great, that's great. Everybody, Hey, look,
Speaker 2: Phelps is alive. I thank Christ, you know. And then
Speaker 2: you watch this scene and you're like, well, god, damn it.
Speaker 2: I went through a roller coaster of emotions in the
Speaker 2: span of you know whatever. It was three minutes, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Know, see, but this moment is really great. Oh it's
Speaker 1: so good. I love when we see people what they're
Speaker 1: thinking and there's no like harp letting us know it's
Speaker 1: a thought. It just kind of it's punched into the film,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just a real jarring sort of thing.
Speaker 1: But it helps us understand, like, oh, we're in their
Speaker 1: mind now. So I like all this stuff here where
Speaker 1: he's picturing. But it is a little dizzy ing, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Where we're like, is this a is he hype hypothesizing?
Speaker 1: Is he has he figured it out? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So so this is the thing right in my My
Speaker 2: sense is that as soon as Ethan saw the Drake
Speaker 2: Hotel stamp. He figured out that that Phelps was the heel, right,
Speaker 2: and so at this point he already knows he's a
Speaker 2: bad guy.
Speaker 1: Right, so he's he he's acting here, right.
Speaker 2: So so Ethan is like, oh my god, it's Kittridge.
Speaker 2: But obviously we we know Ethan knows it's not Kittridge
Speaker 2: because we're seeing his thoughts and it's all Phelps is
Speaker 2: the one.
Speaker 1: Doing it right, right, right.
Speaker 2: But I love it.
Speaker 1: I love that Phelps, you know.
Speaker 2: He's like, Ethan's like, why would Katchers doing Phelps, Like, well,
Speaker 2: he got sick of the government or whatever, and it's
Speaker 2: like it's just it's all him. He's talking about himself. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, John boyight, you son.
Speaker 1: Of a bitch. I love later when he's like those
Speaker 1: damn Gideons. You know what's funny.
Speaker 2: I say that a lot. Really, if something doesn't go right,
Speaker 2: I'm like those damn gideons, n gideons.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't feel like you see it as much
Speaker 1: these days, but it used to be whenever you go
Speaker 1: to a hotel, like any hotel in the nation, there
Speaker 1: would be a Bible in the drawer and it would
Speaker 1: be by this organization. I don't know a lot about
Speaker 1: them even who they are, but the Gideons, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: would pay to have these Bibles just available in every
Speaker 1: hotel room in the US or whatever. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's how Ethan figured it out. He looks at
Speaker 1: the Bible's that it has u the Drake hotel where
Speaker 1: Phelps said he was recently, so we know that, and
Speaker 1: Phelps even steals bibles.
Speaker 2: Where does it end with this guy kind of an
Speaker 2: unholy monster?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, this is good. I yeah, I love
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you could call it this trope
Speaker 2: or something. Well what I what I love here is
Speaker 2: that we're following his thought pattern. And then he's like,
Speaker 2: well maybe it wasn't clear, so he like sees both ways.
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. And look doesn't she
Speaker 1: look at camera here? She looks right at camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with the split adapter thing.
Speaker 2: With her come hither gaze. That is pretty cool and chilling. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, maybe that's why it threw me a little
Speaker 1: bit is because he is still working out some of it.
Speaker 1: So we are seeing stuff he knows as fact, and
Speaker 1: some of it he's still trying to yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so literally I remember watching this as a kid and
Speaker 1: just being absolutely horrified, and to this day, I'm so
Speaker 1: you know, people have their whole hashtag not my Luke
Speaker 1: thing about the last Yed. I f all them guys
Speaker 1: this here hashtag not my Phelps.
Speaker 2: There is no universe where the character from the TV
Speaker 2: show would ever allow that to happen to his team.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it makes for a twist you don't
Speaker 1: see coming. Yeah, but no, I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think if I had loved the series, if I was
Speaker 1: a fan of the series in nineteen ninety six and
Speaker 1: came into this, I'd be pretty disappointed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's and again I should clarify,
Speaker 2: I'm over it. So it's just because we're talking about
Speaker 2: the movie. I think it's irrelevant to this story to
Speaker 2: make him that character. So you just have him be
Speaker 2: again John Voight n Like, it doesn't matter because all
Speaker 2: we need to know is that he was a mentor
Speaker 2: to Hunt and he turned against him. That's all you
Speaker 2: need to make this story work, right.
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, but you know, what do you do?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? By the way, just while
Speaker 1: they're continuing this conversation. I was reading a lot about
Speaker 1: Cruz Wagner Productions, Yes, right, which was kind of a
Speaker 1: huge thing for a while.
Speaker 2: I for a second, and then they split up for
Speaker 2: whatever reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was Tom Cruise and his longtime agent
Speaker 1: Paula Wagner. They formed a company in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: called Cruz Wagner Productions. This was their first movie together,
Speaker 1: and the over the span of that company's life, they
Speaker 1: made like two point nine billion dollars in box office,
Speaker 1: crazy and hugely successful, and they were teamed up with
Speaker 1: Paramount for most of that. What I'm seeing here is
Speaker 1: in August two thousand and six, some in the Redstone,
Speaker 1: chairman of Viacom, he terminated the relationship with Tom Cruise
Speaker 1: over the things he was saying about psychiatry and antidepressants.
Speaker 2: And yeah, because there was a second there where everybody
Speaker 2: hated Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's amazing how beloved
Speaker 1: he is again because yeah, there was a real moment
Speaker 1: where the world kind of turned on him. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So my recollection is this and correct correct the timeline
Speaker 2: if you need. But he was out promoting war the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was when he he was.
Speaker 1: He told Matt.
Speaker 2: Lower, like, Matt, you're being glib, right scientology, Yeah, it was, well,
Speaker 2: it was about Brooks Shields talked about post what do
Speaker 2: you call it?
Speaker 1: Postpartum depression?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he Tom Cruise criticized Brooks Shields about
Speaker 2: her postpartum depression, which what kind of a weird mad
Speaker 2: lib sentence?
Speaker 1: Did? I just say? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then he went on the Today Show and Matt
Speaker 2: Lower took him to task and he was like, Matt,
Speaker 2: you're being glib. And in our world circa mid two thousands,
Speaker 2: Matt Lower was the good guy and Tom Cruise was
Speaker 2: the bad guy. Right, it's a different time.
Speaker 1: Right when we also had couch jumping around here had
Speaker 1: couch jumping, which was before that, I think, yeah, but
Speaker 1: it was a combination of those things.
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, Mission Impossible three underperforms. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it was like three strikes, you're out. Yeah, but remarkably,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Mission Impossible three comes out in
Speaker 2: six and five years later, a ghost Protocol just reinvents
Speaker 2: the joint and is.
Speaker 1: A massive hit. Yep.
Speaker 2: Right, So I mean nobody knows anything. I guess that's
Speaker 2: really the takeaway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like then it became well, Tom Cruise,
Speaker 1: I don't like this and that about him, but damn it,
Speaker 1: he makes good movies. And now I feel like it.
Speaker 1: You hear that even less, it's just like, no, I
Speaker 1: just like Tom Cruise, like these movies are awesome. Is
Speaker 1: that because, by the way, we should at least acknowledge
Speaker 1: the uh Claire yes, kind of seducing him. I guess
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's that's I guess in hindsight, given what Phelps says later,
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be like, oh, she's like trying to
Speaker 2: trying to, yeah, come on to him, but it's so
Speaker 2: clearly one sided.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean apparently they did film, yeah, them hooking
Speaker 1: up or whatever. But yeah, the way that in the version,
Speaker 1: the final version, yes, it kind of feels like he's
Speaker 1: resistant as well he should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she ain't right for you, Ethan.
Speaker 1: Michelle Monaghan is out there waiting, that's right, and.
Speaker 2: Tandy Newton and Rebecca Ferguson.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things are gonna be okay for Ethan Hunt.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I feel like I cut off the thought of yours.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about wrapping up sort of Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, just you know the fact this is to me,
Speaker 2: like the fact that movie three underperformed. At no point
Speaker 2: was it a serious thought that like, Okay, we're done
Speaker 2: with these now, yeah, right, let's let's figure it out
Speaker 2: and do better the next one. And I'm like, why
Speaker 2: can't studios do that right, right, like okay, this one
Speaker 2: and do as well. Let's get let's get up to
Speaker 2: bat again and do it again the next time. And
Speaker 2: there's something refreshingly old school about that thinking, mm right,
Speaker 2: like as opposed to you know, the the Solo, the
Speaker 2: Star Wars movie tanks and it's like, all right, just
Speaker 2: shut it all down, boys, you know, sure, sure, sure,
Speaker 2: or just rebooting over and over and over.
Speaker 1: Again, like no like Ninja Turtles, right, like.
Speaker 2: Ninja Turtle, or or you know, yeah, like cause back
Speaker 2: in the day with James Bond, you know, sometimes you'd
Speaker 2: have one that didn't do as well and say, okay,
Speaker 2: well we're gonna be back, We're gonna the next one.
Speaker 1: Will be better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was the way we liked it, damn it. Now,
Speaker 2: this here, this whole sequence which involves the downloading of
Speaker 2: the data, and it takes about about forty seven years for.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm just like like people watching this today would have
Speaker 2: no understanding, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker 2: Just it took a long you know, like I've heard
Speaker 2: tell from people who are around that, you know, had
Speaker 2: they the inclination to access pornography on the internet. This
Speaker 2: is what people have told me. It took a really,
Speaker 2: really really long time. No kidding, That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2: I can't speak to it personally, but you know, people
Speaker 2: I trust have conveyed this information to me. I don't
Speaker 2: even know if things are different now. To be honest,
Speaker 2: I would assume I have no idea, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: this is a transferring data. Took a long time.
Speaker 1: That's that's the point that makes I we get well,
Speaker 1: And I downloaded this movie to my iPad in like
Speaker 1: a minute, so I mean, yeah, this uh you know
Speaker 1: word dock or whatever they're looking at.
Speaker 2: You know that that's like it's literally it's like a
Speaker 2: text file.
Speaker 1: Probably less than a megabyte, you know, But it is
Speaker 1: kind of clever because yes, I mean, the whole thing
Speaker 1: was to sniff out the mole. They had to get
Speaker 1: this into the enemy and not listen to the enemy's hands.
Speaker 1: So it is kind of fun how they prevent her
Speaker 1: from getting.
Speaker 2: I love that that Luther's got the little jammer there exactly.
Speaker 1: And then of course they have to do it before
Speaker 1: they enter the tunnel, you know, because.
Speaker 2: So that's the that's the chunnel that it's going into.
Speaker 1: Right. Oh, I don't know that was I should? I
Speaker 1: think it is? Right, hold on, I'm gonna find out. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's something kind of cool and old fashioned about
Speaker 1: all this, right, Like all.
Speaker 2: This spycraft on a fast moving train. That's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, people looking at each other suspiciously. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's very old school, very very hitchcocky, and so you
Speaker 1: can see why Palma was was intrigued by this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I should mention the guy to Max's right, you know,
Speaker 1: her assistant. I was like, I know, I've seen this
Speaker 1: guy before, and you know he's in both of the
Speaker 1: Dune mini series that Sci Fi Channel. I love that
Speaker 1: little moment they had right there. Like a lot of
Speaker 1: times you would see a boss like hurry up, you idiots,
Speaker 1: and it's like he's like, oh, it's working again, and
Speaker 1: she goes ah, like she gets excited. Like it's like
Speaker 1: a sweet little moment between her and her assistant. Makes
Speaker 1: me laugh.
Speaker 2: Wait, did we have like a moment like this in
Speaker 2: the last film. I was gonna say, well, it's it's
Speaker 2: because because on the train is where Kittridge meets Max
Speaker 2: and then he meets her daughter in the latest one.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like poetry. It rhymes. See that.
Speaker 2: George Lucas's influence is everywhere. It's like spaghetti.
Speaker 1: One might say, it feels like a Copola thing, like
Speaker 1: if they had had that real sort of Coppola Lucas, right,
Speaker 1: de Pauma Spielberg sort of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think to Paalma talked about it's like I
Speaker 2: wish directors did that today. You know, I'm like I
Speaker 2: do too.
Speaker 1: They should, you know, why not? Well they might not
Speaker 1: just have the relationships and just the world has changed
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what I mean, like the
Speaker 1: I don't know, right, it doesn't feel like it used
Speaker 1: to be that way, or at least when we were
Speaker 1: growing up, it was those people that.
Speaker 2: Gives Those people they were the main directors, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they weren't at each other's throats. They were supporting one another.
Speaker 2: This scene cracks me up because Claire is such a
Speaker 2: freaking big mouth. That's right, because because because quote unquote
Speaker 2: Jim doesn't say anything. She's like, so you pretended to
Speaker 2: kill yourself and you're the bad guy, right, and now
Speaker 2: we're going to kill Ethan. Right, if you agree with me,
Speaker 2: don't say anything.
Speaker 1: That's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, now that is a practical effect. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: pretty good. And and I can't spot the switch from
Speaker 2: from John Boyight to Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: I mean he's clearly taking something off of his face. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they did the that's amazing or
Speaker 1: whatever they did, but it's it's really good.
Speaker 2: It is funny. How like at this stage in the films,
Speaker 2: the mask was like, okay, well if it doesn't look
Speaker 2: like you just don't do anything. Whereas no, no, as the
Speaker 2: movies have progressed, you get Tom Cruise can turn into
Speaker 2: Phillips symour Hoffman.
Speaker 1: Right right right, yeah there, Well you know what, And
Speaker 1: I love the way that it's like, well he's got
Speaker 1: this little clear digital strip on his neck and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh got it, yep, right exactly, that's all I need.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, those damn gideons like I say that
Speaker 1: weirdly a lot, he says it. So it's such a
Speaker 1: fun way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shoot, I lost my chain of thought. But anyway,
Speaker 2: that's good.
Speaker 1: Oh but yes, no, it is interesting seeing how they
Speaker 1: continue to incorporate the masks, but they you know, tweak
Speaker 1: the technology a bit. Yeah, Like I remember the one
Speaker 1: where it was in the briefcase and then it's uh,
Speaker 1: sort of like whittling away the material and then it
Speaker 1: stops working. Yeah, that's what I've noticed in a lot
Speaker 1: of the I don't think it happens so much in
Speaker 1: this one, but in the later films it's like, let's
Speaker 1: introduce this really awesome technology, but it always breaks, Like
Speaker 1: I m F has the most unreliable tech tools.
Speaker 2: Well between their device is not working and they're being
Speaker 2: like constant moles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is not a
Speaker 2: particularly secure organization.
Speaker 1: You know. That would be a funny reveal in Final
Speaker 1: Reckoning where it's just like who's running this circus?
Speaker 2: You know, and it's a monkey with a British accent
Speaker 2: he spins.
Speaker 1: Around in a chair. Yeah, you're referring to me.
Speaker 2: See So so this moment right here, I was thinking about, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, why you have Phelps be the
Speaker 2: villain just so that you can have this reveal. And
Speaker 2: then Kittridge says good morning, mister Phelps.
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good because and you know, and in the
Speaker 2: show every episode, that's how it would start, good morning,
Speaker 2: mister Phelps.
Speaker 1: So I mean, yeah, if you're gonna do it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good way to have that, have that. Put
Speaker 1: a button on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, so Kittridge looking at his like, you know, video.
Speaker 2: Watch his a little Dick Tracy thing.
Speaker 1: It's funny. My mom and I were just talking about
Speaker 1: this where about Dick Tracy and how it's like seemed
Speaker 1: cool but silly, like, oh, well that will never happen.
Speaker 1: And it's like now we literally have those on our
Speaker 1: wrists now, like I can do a video call with
Speaker 1: my mom.
Speaker 2: You're wearing one right now, aren't you.
Speaker 1: Brian, I'm not, but I have one nearby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's within arm's reach.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. So yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: complicated here. You know, this sort of farewell between Claire
Speaker 1: and Ethan here again like knowing what they shot and.
Speaker 2: And Ethan should feel nothing because that's that's what I mean, right,
Speaker 2: Like there's a betrayed him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but there's like a tenderness here. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It doesn't quite but like, if anything, Phelps should be
Speaker 2: like like he doesn't even care that his wife is dead, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: can't blame the Gideons for that.
Speaker 1: I it's funny. I really like this ending. It does
Speaker 1: feel different than what we do in most of the
Speaker 1: other movies. And maybe that even just comes because it's
Speaker 1: it's so green screeny.
Speaker 2: It's green screen and CG which you wouldn't nowadays Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise would be flying back and forth on top of
Speaker 2: a train for real.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and but I don't I don't mind it.
Speaker 1: I kind of love it. Actually, No, No, I think
Speaker 1: I think it works.
Speaker 2: I mean, the only thing we're holding it against it
Speaker 2: is just it's different from the way it would be
Speaker 2: with these movies.
Speaker 1: Now. Yeah, it tonally feels a little different, but it's
Speaker 1: really thrilling.
Speaker 2: No, well, and I think it's it's a good like
Speaker 2: that's really Tom Cruise doing that. Yeah, And so we say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: yeah he's not actually you know, he's not actually moving
Speaker 2: at two hundred miles an hour or whatever. It's still
Speaker 2: impressive that it's a real guy, it's not a digital
Speaker 2: stunt double. And they they the way they accomplished.
Speaker 1: This is pretty crazy. They used like a.
Speaker 2: Like a skydiving fan. What do you call the parachute fans?
Speaker 1: Is that what those are called? Sure, sure, I know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. So you could it's enough gust
Speaker 1: that could simulate like you could be over it and
Speaker 1: be hovering in the air and practice skydiving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly so, but it was like set up vertically,
Speaker 2: yeah or horizontally. Excuse me, And this is a lot
Speaker 2: of this is ILM.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, I think I saw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the VFX supervisor was John Nole. Oh well there you go.
Speaker 2: Then definitely yeah, John Nole. He he of the premise.
Speaker 1: For Rogue one.
Speaker 2: By the way, Oh that was him. Huh that was him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that that that came internally, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cool.
Speaker 2: H So yeah, that that is the chunnel, which is
Speaker 2: the the tunnel between England and UH and France. So
Speaker 2: that makes sense why, like that's the the hard out,
Speaker 2: like they have to get the data before it goes
Speaker 2: into the channel because they're gonna be You're gonna be
Speaker 2: off grid for a.
Speaker 1: While, right right, Yeah, I love the idea, right, like
Speaker 1: he's gonna get away in this helicopter, but then Hunt
Speaker 1: connects the helicopter to the train, so he's forced to
Speaker 1: fly it into the tunnel. Yep. I just I love
Speaker 1: helicopters in general because they're so cool looking. But it
Speaker 1: makes me think of, you know, like Terminator two and
Speaker 1: how amazing it is when it goes underneath that high
Speaker 1: way and it's right, yeah, something really cool about that.
Speaker 2: And of course, yeah, you know, the exterior stuff actually
Speaker 2: look pretty good.
Speaker 1: It's when they get into the tunnel.
Speaker 2: Into the tunnel. Yeah, it's a little taper.
Speaker 1: Realistic, but but you know, I love it. And and
Speaker 1: Danny Elfman is going full Alfman during this yep, you know,
Speaker 1: like really frenzied sounding music, and it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: this just it really gets my blood pumping.
Speaker 2: Well and and and we said it before, but I
Speaker 2: mean the Shift Friend Mission Possible theme is such a banger,
Speaker 2: and it's so perfectly suited to so many different kinds
Speaker 2: of action sequences.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're right, like kind of skulking around, spying whatever,
Speaker 1: you could use it. But you could also use it
Speaker 1: for triumph, yeah, or or.
Speaker 2: Or Garth Algar about about it tas a guy or
Speaker 2: whatever you do. That's right.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I love that movie so much. Also paramounts.
Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense. They probably didn't have to
Speaker 2: pay anything.
Speaker 1: Oh genius. I don't think about that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the thing. Right, So, like the backgrounds look
Speaker 1: a little wonky, but yeah, seeing Tom Cruise literally having
Speaker 1: his cheeks flap, Yeah, there is still a palpable you know,
Speaker 1: sense of like peril here.
Speaker 2: That Well, that's what you realize is that is that
Speaker 2: the whole notion of Tom Cruise, you know, quote unquote
Speaker 2: doing it for real, which is used as a selling
Speaker 2: point for these theater ones. It's what makes them value added. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's something so different from other movies. Right, But
Speaker 2: I think that you know, audience that are willing to
Speaker 2: go along with it. Like I don't think we necessarily
Speaker 2: need that, Like I don't need Tom Cruise to put
Speaker 2: his life at risk.
Speaker 1: If you know. No, But I appreciate it. I appreciate
Speaker 1: the effort. It's nice of him. It's something I've come
Speaker 1: to look forward to. But yeah, in this with this movie,
Speaker 1: I wasn't missing it because I'm just enjoying figuring out
Speaker 1: how he's going to get out of this. By the way,
Speaker 1: I love that moment where Hunt is on the windshield
Speaker 1: of the train and Renault is like inching toward him
Speaker 1: to try to decapitate him with the blade of the helicopter,
Speaker 1: and he's got this look on his face. It's just
Speaker 1: so like almost like blank and almost like.
Speaker 2: What will this? What will this?
Speaker 1: Do? You know? Like he's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like this really kind of dark look on his face.
Speaker 2: It's see I think instead of saying red light, green light, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he should have been like costal Asanya. They don't get
Speaker 2: any Anya right.
Speaker 1: It's a tribute to his fallen in honor of Jack.
Speaker 2: I think that would have been better.
Speaker 1: Could they have cast a better guy for a funny
Speaker 1: face leading to someone passing out? That guy was born
Speaker 1: to play that. This is his moment. Yeah, he looks like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know Wallison Grammet Like he looks like a Watson
Speaker 1: Grammic character. I'm saying this all affectionately. Now I'm feeling
Speaker 1: very bad that I about it. We love Walson Grammt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I I I can't remember if
Speaker 2: I said this on the show, but but first of all,
Speaker 2: I love the Kid Trich character, so I was glad
Speaker 2: to see him back. But I remember somebody put a
Speaker 2: video together where it was the scene the opening scene
Speaker 2: from Dead Reckoning that that reintroduces Kittridge and you know,
Speaker 2: cause it's kind of a reveal in the in the film, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and somebody added the audio from the audience watching Avengers
Speaker 2: Endgame when that is the.
Speaker 1: Hammer, and yeah it is.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because it's like you get this either
Speaker 2: camera slowly moving and then you see it and then
Speaker 2: you hear somebody like no way, and it's just Henry
Speaker 2: Churney sitting on a chair, and I'm just like, I
Speaker 2: love that the.
Speaker 1: Internet allows for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something so specifically kooky. Yeah, yeah, it just makes
Speaker 2: me laugh.
Speaker 1: I know. It just I don't know all the shorthands
Speaker 1: we have now, you know exactly. I can't remember if
Speaker 1: we talked about this on mic or off or whatever,
Speaker 1: but I was or maybe it was I can't remember
Speaker 1: if it was you and I even, but I was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, when we were growing up, we used to
Speaker 1: communicate with each other via movie quotes. Yes, that was
Speaker 1: our shorthand Simpsons quotes especially, but no one else did
Speaker 1: and they thought we were weird, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: remember all that stuff? Right? But now with memes and
Speaker 1: gifts and whatever, everybody communicates with movie quotes and pop
Speaker 1: culture moments, and you know what, isn't that kind of
Speaker 1: funny how things have changed? That is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's just the reality we live
Speaker 2: in now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So's he's out until they pull him back in.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: This is kind of a funny concept. I don't remember
Speaker 1: this watching a movie on a plane with your own
Speaker 1: little cassette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just assumed it was like a rich people thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, that must he of course he must be in
Speaker 1: first class because it used to be there was just
Speaker 1: TVs hanging from the ceiling and you all had to
Speaker 1: watch the same thing. Yeah, and the TVs were like,
Speaker 1: you know, thirteen inch TVs. It wasn't like it was
Speaker 1: really difficult. It's so true.
Speaker 2: So this is this is like the the the U
Speaker 2: two remix.
Speaker 1: It's not you two.
Speaker 2: It's like a couple of band members from YouTube Dale Die.
Speaker 2: Remember he's the he was the he We just talked
Speaker 2: about him a couple of months ago. He was in Outbreak.
Speaker 2: He's he's like the military guy that that Donald Sutherland
Speaker 2: is shopping all over.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wait, who who's he in this? I didn't
Speaker 1: even clock him. He must be one of the one
Speaker 1: of Kittridge's peeps. Yeah, oh well good friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. This is a remix by a couple of
Speaker 2: the YouTube band members.
Speaker 1: I don't remember who.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like getting all kinds of airplayer.
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure they want a Grammy for it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yet, in my opinion, it's still like one of the
Speaker 2: most dated parts of this movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, Yeah, it's kind of nineties.
Speaker 2: It's it's less dated than the Limp Biscuit version.
Speaker 1: I love that. He just like not only what was
Speaker 1: that like?
Speaker 2: I don't know why you want to hate? Yeah, kind
Speaker 2: of a thing that feels like a biblical punishment. Honestly,
Speaker 2: we have punished for something.
Speaker 1: But you know what, though, I'm sure in the moment
Speaker 1: I thought it was awesome hearing like these like metal
Speaker 1: guitars playing the Mission Impossible riff, So like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll accept that.
Speaker 2: Well, well, here's my question of whether you'll accept something.
Speaker 2: Will you accept talking through Mission Impossible too? At some
Speaker 2: point in the near future.
Speaker 1: You know what It's funny because my very very first
Speaker 1: thought is ugh. But on the other hand, I think
Speaker 1: that will be a blast.
Speaker 2: I feel like we've embarked on a series of missions
Speaker 2: now where we'll be popping in with these movies and
Speaker 2: kind of offering our retrospective takes on them.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm into it. I love these movies, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to a good excuse to go through them
Speaker 1: all again.
Speaker 2: It it it's something that if you would have told
Speaker 2: me in nineteen ninety six that yeah, no, no, thirty
Speaker 2: years later, they're still going to be making these Yeah,
Speaker 2: I I I don't think I would have even considered
Speaker 2: that as a possibility, right with Tom Cruise, and they're
Speaker 2: going to get even better, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, remarkable, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh. And and yet I think that they offer something
Speaker 2: that's sort of unique in in the you know, in
Speaker 2: the in the film industry these days, where it's it's
Speaker 2: just it's unabashed spectacle.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it feels like by virtue of the Bond films
Speaker 2: over the last you know whatever. Yeah, since since since
Speaker 2: the Craig era, they've taken a different trajectory. These these
Speaker 2: movies have filled a certain void.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a spectacle. You know, you're totally right. I
Speaker 1: can't think of anything else quite like this or and
Speaker 1: if it is, there's sort of a sci fi you know,
Speaker 1: sheen to it or something. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. They kind of stand alone,
Speaker 2: don't they.
Speaker 1: They really do.
Speaker 2: So you know, whether Tom Cruise sticks around or not,
Speaker 2: and whoever ends up replacing him, if that happens, it
Speaker 2: would be a shame for the series to go away
Speaker 2: because I think I think people are in the mood
Speaker 2: for something like this, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know the last one didn't perform like the
Speaker 1: most successful ones, but people do still turn up for them,
Speaker 1: and it does seem like people enjoy them. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, calibrate your budgets a little bit, and yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully keep making these.
Speaker 2: That's really what it comes down to. I mean, they
Speaker 2: spent just a kajillion dollars.
Speaker 1: That was a weird one because that was a COVID film, right,
Speaker 1: and they had to keep shutting down and starting up
Speaker 1: and shutting down and starting up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Tom Cruise wasn't having it. He was screaming at folks.
Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah, right, I'm like.
Speaker 2: The man just wants to save cinema. I know, put
Speaker 2: your mask on you Damn Gideon. Won't you let him
Speaker 2: save cinema?
Speaker 1: He's a good boy exactly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, hey, well those are our thoughts on Mission
Speaker 2: Impossible from nineteen ninety six. So it tell us what
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Speaker 2: been our movie from commentary track for Mission Impossible. We
Speaker 2: will catch you next time.
Speaker 1: Thanks folks. I staffed, it didn't I those stabbed Gideons