WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.040 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 2 00:00:04.160 --> 00:00:09.240 KFI AM six forty. 3 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:13.679 Kf I AM six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. 4 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:18.839 You are listening to Home. I'm Dean Sharp, the house whisperer, 5 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:23.760 craftsman builder, custom home designer, here to help you turn 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:28.000 your ordinary house into an extraordinary home. It is an 7 00:00:28.079 --> 00:00:31.519 all calls weekend. We are just going to the phones. 8 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:33.880 You're setting the agenda today. The number to reach me 9 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:39.759 eight three three two ask Dean Dan, Welcome home. 10 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.640 I've got a slab. It's got a big puddle in it, 11 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:45.759 but I'm trying to figure out how to get rid 12 00:00:45.759 --> 00:00:48.520 of It's going to have a hot tub and a 13 00:00:48.600 --> 00:00:51.200 deck on top of the slab, but I'm worried about 14 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:53.119 the puddle getting into the wood that I'm going to 15 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:55.000 build a deck out of and cause them problems. 16 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:58.439 Okay, so it's an exterior slab like a patio slab, 17 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:01.679 that's right, and puddles in the middle so it doesn't 18 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.159 drain super well. But you want to put a hot 19 00:01:05.200 --> 00:01:07.519 tub out there, a you know, like a free standing 20 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:12.000 hot tub, and also build a deck out onto the slab. 21 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:13.000 Right, that's right. 22 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.079 Where is this slab going to drain when water hits it. 23 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:18.920 Where does it generally drain? In other words, it's got 24 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.959 a depression in it where it puddles, But does the 25 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:23.879 rest of it Is there a slope to the slab, 26 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:25.680 does the rest of it drain off? Okay? And you 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.120 just you end up with a puddle or is the 28 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:30.200 whole thing sort of you know a bowl. 29 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.640 It's probably about a quarter of the slab that will 30 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:37.840 collect a puddle. There's there's two edges with garden walls 31 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.640 on those sides, and then two edges that just end 32 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:42.799 on the lawn, So the water just comes out onto 33 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.040 the lawn off those two edges where it's knocking. 34 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.959 I would resolve that. I would want to resolve that before. 35 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:52.400 You know, I'm not super worried about it in terms 36 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.840 of the you know, setting a spa out there and 37 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:58.319 then building a deck over it. Obviously, whatever deck you're 38 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.599 going to build out over that, you're gonna whatever is 39 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:04.239 making contact with the concrete is going to be pressure 40 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:06.680 treated lumber, and then you're going to put your finished 41 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:09.280 skin on the deck whatever that may be up above 42 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:13.639 the stuff that everybody sees. But no regular untreated wood 43 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:18.400 touching the concrete. And that's regardless of whether it drains 44 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:23.439 super well or not. It's simply code and unwise to 45 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:28.000 put anything other than pressure treated lumber against concrete. So 46 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:31.680 that's fine as far as that goes, especially if this 47 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.120 is something that we're not going to see then because 48 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:35.919 you're going to cover it all up. The answer is 49 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.439 super simple, Dan, and that is that you go get 50 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:49.000 yourself a nice mixture of self leveling concrete self level solution. Basically, 51 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:51.240 you're going to mix up a little bit of pancake 52 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:56.680 batter that has a high bonding you know, apoxy style 53 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:03.159 cement inside it. And the glory of self leveling is that, now, 54 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.400 of course it's got to be dry get rid of 55 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:08.039 the puddle first, but the glory of it is that 56 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.479 it finds its own level, and so you simply pour 57 00:03:11.520 --> 00:03:14.840 it out and it will fill up the puddle. It 58 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.919 will find its own level, and the puddle will be 59 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:20.199 no more when you're done. And the cool thing about 60 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.199 self leveling compound is that it's most of the time 61 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.439 it's dry to walk on in about an hour, and 62 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:30.479 after twenty four hours of curing, you're ready to build 63 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:32.840 and get on with you know, whatever it is that 64 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.439 you're doing. So my recommendation would be an exterior grade 65 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:42.319 self leveling compound. Lose the dip in the uneven patio 66 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.879 concrete and then move on with your plants. 67 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.360 Okay, and that'll support the weight of the hot tub, 68 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:48.719 no problem, it won't crumble. 69 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:52.919 Oh yeah, yeah, no, it's got actually tremendous Most of 70 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:57.599 the most self leveling compounds have an excellent compressive strength. 71 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:01.080 And you're still relying on the slant underneath to do 72 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.599 the line's share of the work. You're just using the 73 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:07.080 self leveling compound to get rid of the drainage issue. 74 00:04:07.240 --> 00:04:09.919 That's it, all right, Dan, thank you for your question. Buddy, 75 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.199 let's talk to Robbie. Hey, Robbie, welcome home. 76 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.160 My problem, there are two large trees. I'm taking over 77 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:20.519 of my grandmother's property. There are two large trees in 78 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:25.160 the front yard. The roots are exposed. I believe they're 79 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:29.639 causing the sidewalk in front to crack. I want to 80 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:33.399 know can it be corrected or must I remove the trees? 81 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.199 Well, I hope you don't remove the trees, especially if 82 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:42.079 they're big, beautiful trees and they are contributing to the 83 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.120 overall aesthetic and look of the home, and most southern 84 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:50.040 California homes, in my opinion, need more trees. So surface roots. 85 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:53.040 This is the question. Surface roots. If these are really old, 86 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:57.240 well established trees, Robbie, then they get a lot of 87 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.480 roots going all over the place, down out every So 88 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:06.000 whatever roots are starting to cause uplift of the sidewalk itself, 89 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.839 those roots could be cut, cut those at the sidewalk 90 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.879 line and repair the sidewalk so it doesn't do any 91 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:15.319 more damage to the sidewalk. Don't worry about cutting that 92 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.680 root is somehow going to kill the tree. An old 93 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.759 established tree that is just one of you know, five 94 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:23.079 hundred roots that it's got going on, and it can 95 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.439 do without the one that's uplifting the sidewalk. The key 96 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:29.279 is we don't want to encourage any more surface root 97 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:34.879 growth and root growth, and so the principle is very simple. 98 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:41.319 Trees that are watered and dependent upon surface water, those 99 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.279 trees are the ones who are always going to be 100 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:49.399 growing roots on the surface. Okay, Old trees like what 101 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.519 you've got right there have undoubtedly have far more than 102 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:55.759 just surface roots, and so what we want to do 103 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.519 to keep it from spreading any further is we want 104 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.639 to make sure that these trees are not in an 105 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:06.959 area where we're exposing them to lawn sprinklers or surface water. Okay, 106 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:09.600 we want to make sure that we rework the irrigation 107 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.279 system so that we keep water away from them. Because 108 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.439 number one, an old established tree, it doesn't need any 109 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.279 more surface watering it has its own sources of water 110 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:23.000 deep beneath us in the earth. But number two, it 111 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:27.600 will still keep giving us surface root growth if it 112 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.519 still keeps finding surface water to feed off of. And 113 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:35.399 so we simply want to get rid of any surface 114 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.319 water in the area of the canopy of these trees 115 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:41.839 as much as possible. And when we plant new trees, 116 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:45.399 new trees need to be irrigated at the base of 117 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.439 the root, not up on the surface. So trees that 118 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:52.759 grow as the result of sprinkler water will always have 119 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:57.839 surface roots. Trees that have deep water will grow deep roots. 120 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:00.240 And that's how it works. Now, there's no getting rid 121 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.399 of the surface roots at this point. But start feeding 122 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:05.920 it deep and keep the surface water away and you 123 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.560 should be good to go. Thanks, Robbie, appreciate the call. 124 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:11.079 When we come back, we'll get to more of your Calls. 125 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.360 This is Dean Sharp, the House Whisper, Welcome to Home, 126 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:16.680 where every week we help you better understand that place 127 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:19.759 where you live. I'm Dean Sharp, the House Whisper here 128 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.399 with you live like I am every weekend. Or whether 129 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.120 you are listening to the local broadcast right here in 130 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.879 southern California, or you're streaming us live from across the country, 131 00:07:29.040 --> 00:07:32.360 or if you have joined in for another episode of 132 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:35.000 the House Whisper podcast, I am just glad that you 133 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:39.800 are here with us. Good morning to you, and welcome home. 134 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.879 We are doing an all calls weekend. Let's talk to Row. Hey, Row, 135 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:46.399 welcome home. 136 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:47.600 Hi. 137 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.319 I heard you talking to Mark Thompson the other day 138 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:54.040 about his shower and how you have to have a 139 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:56.839 certain amount of water in the pea trap so it 140 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:03.360 doesn't smell. Yes, how often should you rent water so 141 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:04.680 that you don't have that problem? 142 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:05.600 And how much water? 143 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.959 So all right, So let me just set the stage 144 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:13.240 for everybody else who may not have heard that conversation 145 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.199 with Mark Thompson. So Mark was talking about the fact 146 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:20.360 that he has one bathroom in his home, the guest bathroom, 147 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:22.959 and the sink gets used, the toilet gets used, but 148 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.759 the shower hardly ever gets used, and they started developing 149 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:28.600 this weird smell in the bathroom kind of sounded like 150 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.879 a smelled like a sewer issue. And so I was 151 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.960 explaining to Mark that every drain in your home has 152 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.840 that squirrely little pipe underneath it. Whether you could see 153 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.159 it or not, you can totally see these underneath the sink, 154 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.279 because the sink's usually sitting in a cabinet. You look 155 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:48.240 underneath and it's where the drain goes down, and all 156 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:50.679 of a sudden it curves up and goes up again 157 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.279 before it goes down the rest of the way and 158 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:56.480 into the wall and out of the house. That squirrely 159 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.679 little piece, which really should be called an s trap 160 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.320 because it's sort of s shaped. Somebody I don't know 161 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:09.399 whenever whoever, was laying on their side apparently and decided 162 00:09:09.440 --> 00:09:12.200 to call it a pea trap. It's not pe like 163 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:16.039 in the bathroom urine. It's they just thought it looked 164 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.519 like the letter P, although it lays on its side, 165 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:24.120 so I don't anyway. The PA trap is it has 166 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:28.679 one job, has one job, and people have often asked, 167 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.000 why do we have to have that squirrely pipe attached 168 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.559 to the bottom of our sink train. And that is 169 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:37.519 very simply this. The pea trap holds the last little 170 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.919 bit of water that goes down the sink, last little bit, Okay, 171 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:44.360 it holds it. And as a result of holding it 172 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:48.919 in that lower pipe, right in that little droop of 173 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:53.919 the pipe, that water becomes a plug that stops sewer 174 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.759 gases from coming up from the main sewer system from 175 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.919 the city, from the street. The whole thing keeps those 176 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:03.639 gases from coming up through out of the sink drain 177 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.159 and smelling up the bathroom in that way, or whatever 178 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:10.240 room we're in. That's the job of the pea trap. 179 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:14.000 But of course, a sink, and by the way, every drain, 180 00:10:14.279 --> 00:10:17.440 every drain, the toilet has one built into it. Okay, 181 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:21.399 the sink, you can see, the shower, it's underneath the 182 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.440 shower drain where you can't see. But they all have them, 183 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:30.039 all of them. And so the thing is, water evaporates, right, 184 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.240 So if you haven't used something like the tub or 185 00:10:33.240 --> 00:10:35.879 the shower or the sink in a particular room, you 186 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.960 haven't used it very much, or it's been you know, however, 187 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.279 many days, especially during the summer, right when it's warm 188 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:49.519 and waters evaporating faster than in cold weather, then that 189 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.919 water in the pea trap can start to evaporate, and 190 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:54.000 as soon as it gets to a certain level it's 191 00:10:54.039 --> 00:10:57.759 no longer high enough to block out the sewer gases. 192 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:00.480 The gases will get through it, and as a result, 193 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:03.840 you get that smell. This is why a home that 194 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.960 is like up for sale that the seller has already 195 00:11:07.960 --> 00:11:11.320 moved out of so nobody's living there. Every good realtor 196 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.840 knows this that they need to get in there before 197 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:17.720 an open house and flush toilets and run a little 198 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.679 water and sinks and showers and tubs. Otherwise all that 199 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:24.480 evaporation's going to leave the home smelling a little weird. 200 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.960 Everybody I think I know has walked into a house 201 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:29.720 that smells an empty house that smells a little weird. 202 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.159 That's usually why it smells weird. So to set that 203 00:11:34.240 --> 00:11:38.039 stage now, wrote, it's really really simple. Pe trap is 204 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:39.720 not very big at all. I mean it's like a 205 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:42.480 cup a cup and a half of water at the most, 206 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:44.759 even on a big drain, maybe two cups of water 207 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.320 on a big drain. So how much do you have 208 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.279 to run it? Hardly at all? You just need to 209 00:11:51.279 --> 00:11:53.919 turn it on for a couple of three seconds and 210 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.639 turn it back off, and you're good to go. And 211 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.519 as far as how often, you know, you got me 212 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:01.320 on that way, because it really has to do with 213 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.799 how warm the house is, how warm the weather is, 214 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:08.639 and so on. But you know what, once or twice 215 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:12.320 a week is plenty to keep the water in the 216 00:12:12.360 --> 00:12:15.120 pea trap, right, But on a really warm day, if 217 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:18.639 it's really warm in the house, you could lose you know, 218 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:23.159 a quarter inch of water over a twenty four forty 219 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:25.879 eight hour period. So you know what, let's say just 220 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.759 a couple of times a week. Mark's issue, though, just 221 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.000 to cap it off, was that it had gone long 222 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:36.960 long enough that you know, some bacterias had kind of 223 00:12:37.000 --> 00:12:40.960 taken hold on the lining of the sewer line. So 224 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:44.200 even though come in after the fact and start running 225 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:46.480 the water, he was still getting the smell. And the 226 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:49.639 reason is that those bacterias had just kind of gotten 227 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.559 that a little out of control. And to that, what 228 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:56.919 I told him was, you get yourself some enzymatic cleaner, 229 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:01.240 some drain clean enzymes. Enzymes are key enzymes are these 230 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:08.360 powerful little molecular components that break down organic or organic compounds. 231 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:14.440 So they can easily be be broken down and disposed 232 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:18.919 of by friendly bacteria. And the one that I recommend 233 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:22.039 the most, which you can find at places like home 234 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:25.320 Depot or Low's or the plumbing supply store the hardware store, 235 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:30.240 is called Green Gobbler. Green Gobbler is just a brand, 236 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:35.360 but really great brand. And if you I recommend that folks, 237 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:38.600 you know, get some and you know, send it down 238 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:42.120 their drains every couple of time, you know, maybe twice 239 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:46.840 a year, just to clear out the guck that lines 240 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:49.960 the drains and keep your drains wide open and clear. 241 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.960 So anyway, that's it, that's the story. Row a couple 242 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.240 of times a week, and it only takes you know, 243 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:58.919 just you know, turn it on for five seconds and 244 00:13:59.399 --> 00:14:02.600 turn it back off and you have reset. The Peachrap wrote, 245 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:05.600 thank you for your question. There is more to come. 246 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.279 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp the House Whisper. 247 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:12.960 You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 248 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:18.399 KFI AM six forty, KFI. 249 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.879 AM six forty and live streaming in HD everywhere on 250 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.120 the iHeartRadio app. Hey, welcome to home where Every week 251 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:30.759 we help you better understand that place where you live. 252 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.639 I am Dean Sharp, the house Whisper, custom home builder, 253 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:39.240 custom home designer. Most importantly, today, your guide to turning 254 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.879 your ordinary house into something truly extraordinary. I tell you 255 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:47.039 what we're doing today. It's an all calls day. It 256 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:51.240 is it you set the agenda. Anything that is going 257 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:56.399 on with your home, whether it be construction issues, DIY questions, 258 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:01.720 design concerns, anything at all. The phone lines are open. 259 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:04.720 I am here to help you sort it all out. 260 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:07.360 We'll put our heads together and we'll get it sorted. 261 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:09.759 I promised. Here is the number to reach me, and 262 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:12.639 these lines are open now. The number to reach me 263 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:16.559 eight three three two. Ask Dean eight three three two 264 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.000 ask Dean. You see it just rolls off the tomb. 265 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.000 Let's talk to Jonie. Joni, welcome home. 266 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:25.759 We're in the midst of a major kitchen remodel. The 267 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:30.799 base cabinets are now in and they are inset cabinets, 268 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.200 and they've put the subtops on top of the cabinets. 269 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.639 But there's about a three quarter inch gap be set 270 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:44.720 back between the edge of the face frame and the cabinet, 271 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.639 and I'm wondering why they did that or is that 272 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.639 a mistake. We are either going to do an og 273 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:53.919 edge or a DuPont edge, which I want to ask 274 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:55.759 you the difference between those two. 275 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:59.799 Okay, so you haven't you just noticed this. You haven't 276 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:02.679 had a chance to ask your contractor or your cabinet installed. 277 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.039 No, I haven't had a chance to ask. 278 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:07.360 Just to clarify a couple of terms for everybody else 279 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.720 who's listening. So when you do in a cabinet installation, 280 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.799 the cabinet boxes go in, and then once all the 281 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:18.000 boxes are in place, the base cabinet boxes, plywood is 282 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:20.639 put on top. It's what we call a subtop, because 283 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:23.519 that's obviously not the countertop. What goes on top of 284 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:26.039 the plywood is the stone or the tile or whatever 285 00:16:26.080 --> 00:16:28.759 it is that you got going on. Now you have 286 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:32.519 in set cabinets which is very nice, very very old school, 287 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.679 very nice, which is that the doors and drawers do 288 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:40.879 not extend out from the face frame of the cabinets, 289 00:16:40.879 --> 00:16:44.159 but they actually recess in and flush themselves with the 290 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.879 face frame of the cabinet, so you have no overhanging 291 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:51.720 projecting doors and drawers on these base cabinets. It's just 292 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:55.080 one plane coming down the face of the cabinet box. 293 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.440 Of course, you've got knobs and such, but no overhang. 294 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:05.720 The typical typical countertop overhang for typical cabinets, which is 295 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.519 the cabinet face plus doors and drawers, That typical overhang 296 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.160 is about inch and a quarter to an inch and 297 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:16.079 a half of the actual stone and or tile overhanging 298 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:20.359 because the cabinet doors themselves are coming out another three 299 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:23.839 quarter plus inches, and then you've got another half inch 300 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:26.319 to three quarters of an inch of overhang protecting all 301 00:17:26.359 --> 00:17:29.759 of that. In your case, it won't be overhanging that 302 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.759 much because your inset, but the rule still applies. But 303 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.759 here's where it gets tricky. It all depends on the 304 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:42.119 configuration of that og edge. If you're doing a double 305 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:45.960 laminated edge, in other words, instead of just one layer 306 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:48.640 of stone at about seven eighths of an inch thick 307 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.200 coming out and having its little finished edge, it sounds 308 00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:54.119 like you're planning on you've got a double lamination. In 309 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:56.599 other words, another piece of stone is going to be 310 00:17:56.599 --> 00:17:59.839 put on the bottom there to make the appearance of 311 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:05.599 a big, built up thick edge. It all depends on, 312 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:10.240 you know how, if we're hanging over let's say an 313 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.000 inch okay, which would be kind of typical three cores 314 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:16.440 of an inch to an inch of hanging over an 315 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:22.799 inset cabinet face. If the builder has insight from the 316 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.640 stone people that hey, we need more than just one 317 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.640 inch square piece to laminate there. It needs to be deeper. 318 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.160 That may be the reason why the subtop has been 319 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:37.799 held back a little bit in order to give more 320 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:43.680 room for the bottom lamination stone to kind of nestle 321 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.759 in to the top. But I will tell you that's 322 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:51.039 not common at all, and so typically we will just 323 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.960 run the full subtop right over to the face of 324 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:58.359 the cabinet. So I can't tell you definitively that somebody 325 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:01.480 did something wrong. But but I can tell you you 326 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.480 just got to ask the question to have no one 327 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:08.440 go any further until that question gets answered, because there 328 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:12.359 is a bit of a strength sacrifice by holding the 329 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:16.759 subtalk back. And quite often, once in a blue moon, 330 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:18.839 I will tell you this, Jony, once in a blue moon, 331 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:21.640 when we have to do that, because of the nature 332 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:25.680 of the countertop material itself, right, when we have to 333 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.839 provide a larger notch, what we will do is we 334 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:32.960 will put yet another piece of wood underneath the subtop 335 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:39.039 that supports that free floating subtop edge and connect to 336 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:44.160 the front face of the cabinet regardless. Okay, ideally you 337 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.720 want a solid connection to the front cabinet face all 338 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:50.359 along the front, whether or not the subtop is being 339 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:53.000 held back or not. I hope we just didn't lose 340 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:55.799 everybody in all of that terminology. But that's kind of. 341 00:20:00.079 --> 00:20:04.480 Yeah yeah, And I have no idea why they did 342 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:07.559 what they did so and it's the cabinet makers too, 343 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:10.880 it's not the fall off the stone man. 344 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:15.440 So yeah, so just just find out, say, hey, what's 345 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:19.039 the deal here, and uh and you know, they'll let 346 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:19.759 you know what's going on. 347 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:20.279 Okay. 348 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:24.359 And a farmhouse sink should be level with the subtop. 349 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.839 If it's an inset, yeah, if it's an under mount 350 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.200 farmhouse sinc. Then yes, it gets set level with the 351 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:31.759 subtops so that the stone goes over and just rolls 352 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:32.359 over the sink. 353 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:39.839 Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, I'm going to have to read front. 354 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.079 Yes, that's the nature of it. But as far as 355 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:47.640 as it being underneath the countertop from the top, yeah, okay. 356 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.640 Well, thank you so much, appreciate it. 357 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:55.759 You are so very welcome. Thanks for the call. Good 358 00:20:55.880 --> 00:20:57.920 luck with all of that. 359 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:58.599 Uh. 360 00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:01.119 One last thing on the I'm going to toss in there. 361 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.720 I don't know if y'all kind of pick that up. 362 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:09.319 But when you typically look at a stone countertop face, 363 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.839 not a lot of people realize this that the stone 364 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:16.519 slab that comes from the stone yard is only three 365 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.480 quarter well three get it's more like seven eighths of 366 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.359 an inch thick usually between depending on the kind of stone, 367 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.519 it could be anywhere from seven eights to an inch 368 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:30.680 thick stone. That's not that full, big fat countertop edge 369 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:33.240 that you see there. What happens is we take that 370 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:36.599 stone and then we'll take a slice of it off 371 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:39.640 that front edge, and we'll put it up underneath. We'll 372 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:48.160 epoxyate laminated underneath, and then whatever kind of nosing of 373 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:52.039 edging that you want. And there's twenty different kinds of 374 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.000 edging that we can do there. But the idea is 375 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:59.759 that we're giving the illusion that that stone is closer 376 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.599 to two inches thick, when in reality it's just two pieces. 377 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.960 And the quality of the install of that stone, by 378 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.480 the way, has to do with whether we're hiding the scene. Okay, 379 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:16.079 any cheaper done countertops you can look on the face 380 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:17.759 and you're like, well, look, and I can see the 381 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:19.960 line where they glued it together. That's kind of a 382 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.640 fail for us. We never do it that way. We 383 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.039 either mter from the top corner down so that we 384 00:22:26.240 --> 00:22:28.920 have no visible seam on the face, or if it's 385 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:32.119 like what Jonie was talking about, what's called an og 386 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:37.160 or a double og edge, the scene can get hidden 387 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:39.640 in the details of the carving of the fun of 388 00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:42.240 the counter. So there you go. Did that make sense? 389 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.799 Am I making sense to people? I know it's very technical, 390 00:22:45.880 --> 00:22:47.680 but just I know there are a lot of you 391 00:22:47.720 --> 00:22:50.200 out there are like, oh, okay, I get it. Now, 392 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:53.160 run to your kitchen right now and check out your 393 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.200 countertop and decide whether you know how it rates. When 394 00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:59.039 we come back, we'll get to more of your calls. 395 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:03.039 This is Dean Sharp, the House Whisper. Can't find six 396 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:09.039 forty and live streaming in HD everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Hey, 397 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:12.759 welcome to home where. Every week we help you better 398 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:16.359 understand that place where you live. I am Dean Sharp, 399 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.920 the House Whisper, custom home builder, custom home designer. 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