WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.000 --> 00:00:06.160 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple podcast. 2 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:11.199 Networks, Now give him his zone. It's the Stone Zone. 3 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:15.119 Here's Roger Stone. 4 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:19.679 Thanks for joining us in the Stone Zone. I think 5 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:23.600 it was California speaker jess Unru who once said that 6 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:28.839 money is the mother's milk of politics, and he was right. 7 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:32.799 When it comes to the use of broadcast television, cable TV, 8 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:38.679 terrestrial radio still very effective, those things are extraordinarily expensive. 9 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.759 To a certain extent, the invention of the Internet into 10 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:46.759 cell phones has democratized politics in a certain sense, as 11 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:51.759 those tools for reaching voters are somewhat less expensive. But 12 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.880 to run for the House, or for the Senate, or 13 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:59.119 for governor anywhere in the United States literally takes millions 14 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:03.679 of dollars. In that measure, the Republicans have a substantial 15 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.439 advantage going into the twenty twenty six election. Let's take 16 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:10.359 a look at it. As of the latest federal filings 17 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.000 available that says of August this month, Republicans have a 18 00:01:14.079 --> 00:01:18.079 huge institutional financial advantage. The important distinction, though, is that 19 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:22.519 this advantage is concentrated in the national party, Trump aligned 20 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.920 packs and congressional superpacks. Trump first of all, has a 21 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:33.439 Political Action Committee MAGA Inc. There is no comparable Democrat 22 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:39.159 presidential candidates pack. On the other side, MAGA Inc. Finished 23 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:44.319 June with four hundred million dollars cash on hand. That's 24 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:49.599 an incredible number. The underlying filings from the most recent 25 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:53.159 FEC report showed that they began twenty twenty five with 26 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.280 only about twenty three point eight million dollars, and they 27 00:01:56.319 --> 00:02:00.400 accumulated roughly three hundred and ninety eight million dollars their 28 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.840 war chest through this most recent August. And of course 29 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:08.960 the president is expected to raise more. That means Trump 30 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:12.360 has something unusual for a midterm president, a four hundred 31 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:16.280 million dollar plus political war chests outside the parties that 32 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:19.639 can potentially be used to help Republican candidates who are 33 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:24.159 aligned with him. It was also noticed that the reserve 34 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.960 at MAGA Inc. Was larger than all four principal Democrat 35 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:34.479 congressional campaign funds combined, and MAGA Inc. The President's political 36 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.800 action committee, has deliberately conserved much of their money. So far, 37 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.479 They've spent very very little. That matters because we're approaching 38 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:46.159 the period when advertising turnout operations and late money becomes 39 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.039 particularly important. But then when you look at the two 40 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:54.240 parties themselves, that comparison is startling. The Republican National Committee 41 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:57.879 has one hundred and twenty million dollars cash on hand 42 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:02.560 versus the Democrat National Committee, which has sixteen million dollars 43 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.120 cash on hand but a more than eighteen million dollar 44 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:12.240 debt from disastro selection involving Kamala Harris. So simply comparing 45 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.520 gross cash, the Republican National Committee has roughly eight dollars 46 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:20.280 for every dollar held by the Democrats. If you consider 47 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.319 the Democrats a debt burn, the difference in that financial 48 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:28.240 position is even larger. This isn't just an accounting curiosity. 49 00:03:28.280 --> 00:03:32.840 Party money is particularly valuable because the National Committee provides 50 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:38.680 a voter data field organization, legal operations, advertising, candidate support, 51 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:44.639 and turnout infrastructure across dozens of races. Simultaneously. Trump is 52 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.080 actually returning to Texas on August twenty seventh, the birthday 53 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.080 that I share with one Lyndon Baines Johnson for another 54 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:56.120 Republican National Committee fundraisers, suggesting that Trump and the Republicans 55 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.800 are going to continue to build their reserve rather than 56 00:03:58.919 --> 00:04:03.439 just spending it down. Republicans also have a significant major 57 00:04:03.479 --> 00:04:06.199 advantage when it comes to the US Senate. The Senate 58 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.800 Leadership Fund, aligned with the Senate Majority Leader John Thune, 59 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:13.240 reported two hundred and fifty three million dollars raised, with 60 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:16.040 two hundred and thirty eight million dollars cash on hand 61 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:20.399 as of June thirtieth. That's more than double the cash 62 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:23.519 that the Senate Leadership Fund had at the same stage 63 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:26.800 in the twenty twenty four elections. Earlier in the cycle, 64 00:04:26.920 --> 00:04:31.000 Axios calculated the Republican Senate superPAC had nearly three times 65 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:35.120 as much cash as its Democratic counterpart. Democrats have since 66 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:40.040 begun making large reservations. The Senate Majority Pack recently announced 67 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.720 some fifty four million dollars in Senate spending, but the 68 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.519 Senate Leadership Fund remains financially stronger. Overall. The broader congression 69 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:53.000 machinery favors Republicans. Also, this comparison is especially use when 70 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:55.800 it removes Trump themselves. The looks at just the organizations 71 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:00.639 privarily responsible for Congress. The four major Republican orderzations. Those 72 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.480 would be the Senate Leadership Fund, the Congressionship of Leadership Fund, 73 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:07.959 the National republic Congressional Committee, and the National Public Senate 74 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:11.519 Committee had roughly five hundred and twenty nine million dollars 75 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:14.879 cash on hand. Their Democratic counterparts that would be the 76 00:05:14.879 --> 00:05:19.279 Senate Majority Pack, the House Majority Pack, the Democratic Congressional 77 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.879 Campaign Committee, and the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee had about 78 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:26.199 three hundred and thirty six million dollars cash on dand 79 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.160 so that's approximately one hundred and ninety three million dollar 80 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:34.040 Republican advantage, or about a fifty seven percent cash advantage. 81 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:37.839 And as I say, the Republican parties, the actual party 82 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:41.600 functions through June had collectively raised six hundred and thirty 83 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:44.519 three million dollars compared with about five hundred and forty 84 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:48.480 six million dollars for the DNC. So if they say 85 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:52.160 money can't solve all problems, that's true, but in a 86 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.560 tough election, money could make a real difference. In my view, 87 00:05:55.639 --> 00:06:00.279 this financial advantage takes the place of network there's in 88 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:04.319 other words, ABC, NBC, CBS. I think they should actually 89 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.319 file as in kind contributions to the Democrats in the 90 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.120 way that they report, but to Trump and the Republicans 91 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:15.279 will have a huge financial advantage going into this election. 92 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:19.240 Then there's additional outside money from all kinds of independent packs. 93 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:24.040 They never surrender Incorporated pack had about sixty million dollars. 94 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:29.040 That's a pro Republican, pro Trump packed. The Club for 95 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:33.480 Growth had about eighty seven million dollars cash on hand, 96 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:39.319 So those side committees, independent but pro Republican committees also 97 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.360 importantly count. The other thing you have to look at 98 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.759 right now is polling. It's very important that people understand polling. 99 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:50.839 A poll is but a snapshot in time. In order 100 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.879 for a poll to be accurate, there's a number of 101 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:57.639 key factors. Are those I like to say, there are polls, 102 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.279 and then there are polls. A poll can be taken 103 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.000 for a pre desired result, that's a publicity vehicle that's 104 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.720 not a real poll, or a pole can be taken 105 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:14.240 to take an unvarnished, unbiased snapshot examination of public attitudes 106 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:17.839 within a certain electorate. But for in order for a 107 00:07:17.879 --> 00:07:21.160 poll to be on the up and up to be legitimate, 108 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:24.279 the sample size has to be large enough and has 109 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.040 to be scientifically balanced to reflect the electorate that you're 110 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:38.480 trying to measure. In other words, the correct number of men, women, white, Black, Hispanic, Asian, young, old, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, 111 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.360 and so on. Secondarily, is the order of the questions. 112 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.519 There's such thing as order bias. In other words, if 113 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:49.000 you test a negative message against a candidate and then 114 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:51.839 test the head to head ballot after you test a 115 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:55.839 potential negative message or positive message, you're going to skew 116 00:07:56.079 --> 00:08:00.120 your pole. And then lastly is the actual wording of 117 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:03.319 the questions. The wording of the questions has to be 118 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:09.240 completely unbiased and completely neutral. I saw this weekend a 119 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:13.519 perfect example of what I think was a rigged poll. Unfortunately, 120 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.439 the New York Post and the Albany Times Union, as 121 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:21.199 well as Channel thirteen in Albany, took a poll by 122 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:26.920 an organization called Survey USA measuring the race for Congress 123 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.839 in New York's twenty first district. That's the seat that 124 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:34.600 is being vacated by Elis Stefonik, where Anthony Constantino. You 125 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.279 remember him. He's the guy who put the giant vote 126 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:40.480 for a Trump sign on the top of his factory 127 00:08:40.480 --> 00:08:43.720 in Amsterdam, New York, and the local Democrats actually threatened 128 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.360 to throw him in jail. They came out with a 129 00:08:46.399 --> 00:08:49.879 pole this week that is as fraudulent as they come. 130 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.840 Was done by this group, Survey USA. Why do I 131 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:58.759 say it was fraudulent? Well, first of all, ten of 132 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.519 those who were polled, are not registered to vote and 133 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.320 have no intention to vote. Two counties within this twelve 134 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:09.759 county district were not included whatsoever. And in the battle 135 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.120 of the trial heat the head to head between Anthony 136 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:19.000 Constantino the Republican and Blake jennebeing the Democrat, they included 137 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.639 a rite in candidate whose name is not on the ballot. 138 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:26.840 They somehow came up with a head to head number 139 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.000 that was I think it was forty three to thirty nine. 140 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:33.039 That of course is in the headlines. So why would 141 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.000 you falsify a poll like this? Wow, It's very simple. 142 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:40.120 It's in order to engender greater fundraising for the Democrat 143 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.279 candidate and to give an impression that in this reliably 144 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:48.120 Republican district, where Republicans hold a substantial registration edge, that 145 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:51.320 this race is more competitive than it is. It's really 146 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:55.639 irresponsible for media organizations not to look at the internal numbers. 147 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:58.720 If you look in the internal numbers poll, this pole 148 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:02.399 would have you believe that Kathy Hokeel is more popular, 149 00:10:02.480 --> 00:10:06.240 has a higher approval rating than the local congresswoman, elist Stephonic, 150 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:08.840 who has I must tell you, based on all the 151 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.559 polland I've studied, has one of the highest favorability ratings 152 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.080 I have ever seen by a congresswoman. She's even more 153 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:20.559 popular than President Trump in the district. So the other 154 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.919 place you can look online and you see a lot 155 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:28.399 of this is websites like Koushi and polymarket. They have 156 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:32.000 what appears to be poles, but that's completely voluntary. So 157 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:37.000 while they're interesting, and while they've maybe a measure of 158 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:40.440 the intensity of support of people who are online, let's 159 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:44.519 try to remember that not everybody's online. In fact, younger 160 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.799 voters are online. Where in a Republican primary where the 161 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:51.919 average voter is probably sixty five plus in most states, 162 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.639 many of the voters are not online, So those aren't 163 00:10:56.679 --> 00:11:00.519 really poles. Also recognize the volatility. In other words, to 164 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:04.000 look at a poll in the summer for an election 165 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:06.480 that is months away and try to declare who's going 166 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:12.039 to win, well, that's a fool's errand, and it's why 167 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.720 many of these polls right now should be discounted. Yes, 168 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:18.639 Democrats are ahead to number of key Senate races, but 169 00:11:19.159 --> 00:11:22.519 in many cases they're ahead by a margin is within 170 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:25.240 the margin of era. No poll is going to be 171 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.639 exactly on the money, depending on the sample size, So 172 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:31.480 a word of caution for those who want to rush 173 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:36.039 to judgment about this November's election. Are the Republicans at 174 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:41.120 a disadvantage? Historically? Absolutely, the party in power has always 175 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.120 lost seats in both houses in the off year elections. 176 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.600 No reason why this one should not be expected to 177 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:50.759 be different. And the Republican's margin is slim. But as 178 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:55.320 I said earlier, they have a huge financial advantage, and 179 00:11:55.639 --> 00:11:59.000 it is very early in the season. At about you. 180 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:03.840 The Publican primary for governor of Florida is tomorrow. Where 181 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.759 I am based in I get six or seven of 182 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.120 these huge floppy mailings in my mailbox every day, you know, 183 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:14.960 the self mailers. Political consultants love these because the markup 184 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:18.600 is very substantial. But if you think about it, when 185 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:21.240 you go to your mailbox, the first thing you do 186 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:23.840 is divide the mail you have received into two piles. 187 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:27.279 There's a pile that you're going to throw away. There's 188 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:29.679 a pile that you are going to open and read. 189 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:35.320 So the political mailings, along with the advertisement from Sam's 190 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.240 Club or the local car wash or a nearby restaurant, 191 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:41.559 those go in the circular file the waste paper basket. 192 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:45.240 But when you get a close face envelope. It appears 193 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:48.080 to have been addressed by hand, and in the other 194 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.080 left hand corner is just a return address, and there's 195 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.440 a bulk stamp which is put on slightly crooked. Well, 196 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:57.919 you're going to open that because you wonder if it's 197 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.759 a bill or some other important munication. See, that's effective 198 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:05.360 voter mail, something that few candidates go to the expense 199 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.799 or trouble to do anymore because it is expensive, particularly 200 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:11.679 with the increasing costs of postage. But to me, that 201 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.080 is effective political communications. When we come back, talk about 202 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.279 the fact that I just saw the testimony of Mike Donolan, 203 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:22.200 who is a political consultant for Joe Biden and his 204 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:28.600 fees in the twenty twenty presidential election, which were really extraordinary. 205 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:32.039 I've never seen a political consultant make twelve million dollars 206 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:36.559 on a race, regardless of the outcome. It is outlandish 207 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:39.600 based on the way political consultants charge. We'll talk about 208 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.639 that on the other side. You're in the stone zone. 209 00:13:41.720 --> 00:13:44.840 We're talking about the hard realities of American politics. And 210 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:46.279 we'll be right back. 211 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.440 The stone zone entertaining and informative on the Red Apple 212 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:52.679 podcast network. 213 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:57.159 Su a man who's gone through hell, but he's kept 214 00:13:57.200 --> 00:13:59.759 going and he's smart, and he's strong. 215 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.360 And people well love him. Not everybody, but people love 216 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:03.279 him and respect him. 217 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:07.679 Roger Stone, Where's Here's Roger Stone. 218 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:12.840 Welcome back into the Stone Zone. We're talking about the 219 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:17.480 mechanics of American politics and what matters and what doesn't. 220 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.840 I saw my online friend Kat Turns say today that 221 00:14:22.240 --> 00:14:25.279 the Internet is not reality, or should the Twitter sphere 222 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:28.080 is not reality. That's important to understand. There's a lot 223 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.039 of political combat that goes on in social media that 224 00:14:31.120 --> 00:14:35.279 is not necessarily a reflection oh what actual voters think. 225 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.639 You can get too wrapped up into that and start 226 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:39.879 to believe that is a reflection of the real world. 227 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:42.080 I think this is going to be true in the 228 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:46.440 Florida primary for governor tomorrow, where Byron Donald's I think 229 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:51.600 holds astantial lead based on legitimate polling, challenging him as 230 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:55.919 the lieutenant governor, Jay Collins, and a very idiosyncratic candidate 231 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.000 by the name of James Fishback, also a former House Speaker, 232 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.720 Paul Renner. If you were online today, you would think 233 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:06.320 that some of those minor candidates have a shot. But 234 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.840 if you're looking at real, legitimate polling, I'm prepared to 235 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.720 predict that Byron Donald's will win. The other interesting race 236 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:19.080 is the embattled campaign of Corey Mills, the candidate from 237 00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:22.919 Florida's seventh district. He has been embroiled in a number 238 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:26.759 of controversies, including a restraining order placed on him by 239 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:31.679 a federal judge after he threatened one girlfriend, a political 240 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:37.720 also police coming to his apartment when he allegedly roughed 241 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:41.159 up or threatened another girlfriend. No charges were filed in 242 00:15:41.159 --> 00:15:44.320 that case. Also some questions about stolen valor whether his 243 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:50.240 bronze stars legitimate. General who allegedly signed that certificate says 244 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.320 he has no memory of doing so. A new poll there, 245 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:59.799 a legitimate poll, shows him trailing forty four twenty seven. 246 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:02.559 But remember you have early voting and many of the 247 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:06.120 votes have already been cast here in Florida. But all 248 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.600 eyes are on that race. I think Corey Mills would 249 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.000 be a very weak general election in candidate in a 250 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.080 year in which the Republicans can't afford to drop any 251 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.039 house races. Both of those races need to be watched 252 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.679 extraordinarily carefully. Florida used to be a purple state, but 253 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.360 now Republicans have almost a one point three million dollar 254 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:33.080 Republican voter restratch voting registration advantage. That doesn't mean that 255 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.399 this won't be a competitive race, because it is, after all, 256 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.919 an off year. Donald Trump is not on the ballot, 257 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:42.639 and that's key factor. There are a number of voters 258 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:46.639 who are pro Trump, but not necessarily Republicans, who come 259 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:49.320 out when he's on the ballot, but don't come out 260 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.480 when he isn't. One of the real challenges for Republicans 261 00:16:52.480 --> 00:16:55.919 across the country is going to be identifying those pro 262 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.440 Trump voters and getting them out. I'm Roger Stone talking 263 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.399 about the mechanics of American politics right here in the 264 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.640 Stone Zone, and will be right back. 265 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.720 The Stone Zone entertaining and informative on the Red Apple 266 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:29.000 podcast Network. 267 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:31.559 It's the Stone Zone. 268 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.720 A man who's gone through hell, but he's kept going, 269 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:37.920 and he's smart, and he's strong. 270 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.720 And people love him. Not everybody, but people love him 271 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:41.480 and respect him. 272 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:46.720 Roger Stone, Where's Roger Here's Roger Stone. 273 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.599 Welcome back into the Stone Zone. As I said earlier, 274 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.799 I was startled by the starting testimony under oath by 275 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:59.920 Mike Donald and a Democrat political consultant. I don't know Mike, 276 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.039 but I know his brother Tom was a very capable operative. 277 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.799 He was working for Walter Mondale when I was working 278 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:09.000 for Ronald Reagan in the nineteen eighty campaign. But it 279 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.880 was shocking when he said under oath, after much hemming 280 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:16.160 and hay, his fees from Joe Biden's campaign were guaranteed 281 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:21.000 sixteen million dollars. I've never seen that. Normally speaking, political 282 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:24.400 consultants are paid a flat monthly fee, and then some 283 00:18:24.640 --> 00:18:30.400 political consultants also negotiate a percentage of the commission for 284 00:18:30.519 --> 00:18:35.640 the placement of electronic media like cable television, broadcast television, 285 00:18:35.720 --> 00:18:41.640 or radio, usually far below the standard fifteen percent commission, 286 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.400 which gets mostly rebated back to the campaign. And the 287 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:48.680 seven hundred plus campaigns i've worked, i've very rarely done that, 288 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:51.839 largely because you don't want the candidate to think that 289 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:57.039 your recommendation that they use broadcast television or terrestrial radio 290 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:00.960 like the one you're listening to, because money in your pocket, 291 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:05.680 but you're recommending it for its strategic strength. So that 292 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.480 number really blows my mind. I've never heard of anything 293 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.880 like that. My good friend Greg Kelly speculated maybe some 294 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:14.599 of that money ended up back in the pockets of 295 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:17.480 the bidens themselves, since Joe Biden had to approve the deal, 296 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:19.720 but there is no evidence of that. But it does 297 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:24.160 stand out like a sore thumb. I think it's very strange. Meanwhile, 298 00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:27.640 a Nevadic judge has finally dismissed the case of six 299 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:34.160 Republican Alternative Presidential Electoral College electors who signed a twenty 300 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:39.039 twenty certificate asserting that Donald Trump won the state. Judge 301 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.279 Mary K Holt has found that there was no fraudulent intent. 302 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:45.880 The group openly publicized their actions as an effort to 303 00:19:46.359 --> 00:19:50.480 preserve legal challenges over election regularities in the midst of 304 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:57.759 a disputed election, not to deceive anyone. Alternative electors have 305 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:01.519 a rich tradition in the United States. Nineteen sixty, for example, 306 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.480 it was thought on election night that Vice President Richard 307 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:08.559 Dixon had carried the state of Hawaii. John F. Kennedy's 308 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:13.200 campaign didn't believe, so they formed a slate of alternative electors, 309 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:18.000 confident about the fact that once the absentee ballots were counted, 310 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:22.000 the JF. K would win Hawaii, which he did, and 311 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:26.359 they preserved their rights and therefore ultimately their electors were seated. 312 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:32.880 The whole idea that alternative electors as were filed at Georgia, Arizona, 313 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:37.440 and Nevada, as well as Michigan, was somehow illicit or illegal. 314 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:43.640 It's largely an invention of MSNBC and the special prosecutor 315 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:48.400 Jack Smith. In the case of Georgia's electors, if you 316 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.039 read the minutes of their meeting, they specifically state that 317 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:56.240 they're forming the elector slate to protect their rights depending 318 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:59.799 on the outcome of litigation challenging the outcome of that 319 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:07.000 state's election. So this decision in Nevada is long past due. 320 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:10.599 Two of my friends were electors, Mike MacDonald, the Republican 321 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:14.799 state chairman, and Jesse Law, the former Clark County Republican chairman. 322 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:16.960 I know there has been enormous stress on them and 323 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:20.400 their families. I'm glad that the courts have finally reached 324 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:26.480 the correct decision. This entire matter, whether it is Michigan, Arizona, Georgia, 325 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:30.759 or Nevada, is a well deserved collapse of a coordinated 326 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.279 far left overreach effort. Similar witch hunts were thrown out 327 00:21:34.279 --> 00:21:37.960 across the country. In Michigan, judge dismiss charges against fifteen 328 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:41.799 Republicans ruling that prosecutors failed to prove any intent to defraud. 329 00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:47.240 Georgia's sprawling case under Fanny Willis collapsed amid ethical scandals 330 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:51.200 and was ultimately dropped, and Arizona's prosecution has been repeatedly 331 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:56.720 delayed and sent back after numerous constitutional violations. These instances 332 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.400 were never about justice. They were about political law, fair 333 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.119 and intimidation, designed to criminalize, dissent and intimidate anyone who 334 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.880 might question the outcome of the twenty twenty election, which, 335 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.079 of course, under the First Amendment, every American has the 336 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.440 right to do. Those in power wanted to send a 337 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.279 message to all of those who insist on election integrity 338 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.119 that their advocacy against voter fraud and they very well 339 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.319 land them up in the pokey. In Nevada, the Democrat 340 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.039 Attorney General, Aaron Forward, who's now running for government, vows 341 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:31.400 to appeal. Still clinging to this fake elector narrative, but 342 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:36.880 courts keep projecting it. These shameful prosecutions just waste taxpayers dollars, 343 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:40.480 ruined reputations, and a road trust in the system. But again, 344 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:42.599 if you look at the election of eighteen seventy seven, 345 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:45.640 or are the election in nineteen sixty two perfect examples 346 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:54.119 where they have multiple totally legal uses of alternative elector slates. Now, 347 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:57.079 these protop electors should be following lawsuits, in my opinions, 348 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:02.519 directify the hellish ordeal they've been forced to the legal 349 00:23:02.559 --> 00:23:08.599 fees the pressure of the stress. Trump supporters who signed 350 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:12.359 contingent certificates for exercising free speech and their legal and 351 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:16.720 political rights, not committing any crimes. Democrat attorney generals weaponize 352 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:20.440 the justice system against the Republicans while covering up legitimate 353 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:24.480 concerns about election fraud. When the mainstream media tells you 354 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:29.279 there's no evidence whatsoever irregularities or anomalies or outright fraud 355 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.599 and the twenty twenty elections, that is simply not true. 356 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:36.640 It's there. The mainstream media has just generally speaking, refused 357 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:38.559 to cover it or going out of their way to 358 00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:44.319 try to discredit it. Justice is prevailing as these alternative 359 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:49.119 electric cases crumble. Every prosecute and official involvemusicses should be 360 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:51.599 run from their positions and where Scarlett letter, As far 361 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.559 as I am concerned, the Supreme Court now is refused 362 00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:58.920 yet again to consider President Donald Trump's challenge through the 363 00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:03.000 five million dollars civil verdict won by e Jan Carroll, 364 00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:08.720 leaving intact raises serious questions about fairness and evidential standards 365 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:12.559 in the courts. The justices denied President Trump's rehearing quest 366 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:16.880 has passed Monday without explanation and with no noted descents. 367 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:20.519 The court had already declined in June to hear his appeal. 368 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.359 One issue for appeal was the fact that the jury 369 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:25.720 was never allowed to hear that Trump had actually been 370 00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:28.960 cleared of the charge of rape. A twenty twenty three 371 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.680 jury found Trump civilly liable for defaming Carroll. Democrats in 372 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.599 New York State legislature actually amended the law to extend 373 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:41.839 the statute of limitations to allow Carroll to bring this 374 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.640 lawsuit that would have otherwise been laughed out of the courts. 375 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.599 Little did the Democrats know that they were inadvertently snagged 376 00:24:48.640 --> 00:24:52.920 both former Democrat Governor Andrew cmo and for Mayor Eric 377 00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:57.680 Adams in similar sexual assault cases. President Trump has consistently 378 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:02.759 and rightly denied these absurd allegations. Woman whose own unhinged 379 00:25:02.799 --> 00:25:07.680 and bizarre behavior have made her a nationwide laughing stop. 380 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.079 It is President Trump's attorney's challenges of trial court's decision 381 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:16.920 amid highly prejudicial evidence, including allegations by other women concerning 382 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:20.920 events decades earlier, and the infamous Access Hollywood recording, which 383 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:23.880 had nothing to do with the case but was allowed 384 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:27.319 to be presented at trial. It was meant to humiliate 385 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:30.440 President Trump and to impoverish him, in conjunction with all 386 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.559 of the other law fair efforts that were lodged to 387 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.559 its president in New York State? Who can forget? In 388 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.640 the interview with Anderson Cooper on CNM when E. G. 389 00:25:39.799 --> 00:25:42.640 And Carroll said that she thought many women found the 390 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:47.000 idea of rape sexy. I've never seen Andrew Sson Cooper 391 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.640 cut to a break so fast in my life. The 392 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.920 President's Supreme Court petition argued that lower courts improperly loosened 393 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:59.319 normal protections against federal evidence rules governing prejudice propensity evidence 394 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.160 alleged prior and misconduct. Those are not, in my view, 395 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:08.799 trivial technicalities. Rule four h three, for example, exists specifically 396 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:13.240 so inflammatory evidence doesn't overwhelm a jury's consideration of the 397 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:17.880 actual allegation before it. President Trump's petition also pointed to 398 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:22.160 disagreements among federal courts over how these evidentiary protection should 399 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:26.079 operate in sexual assault cases. Supreme Court's job is to 400 00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:31.000 ensure federal laws applied consistently, even to deep defendants who 401 00:26:31.039 --> 00:26:35.200